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While filming of Noah Hawley’s Alien series has been pushed back to 2023 due to the series being considered a “massive undertaking” and Hawley's other series, Fargo, needing to take precedence "given its Midwest setting” we do know that writing has been continuing with at least five episodes having been written as of February. Now we know some of the names behind those scripts.

A recent announcement that Writers Guild Association Award nominated writer Bobak Esfarjani has signed a contract to develop new content for FX, also included mention that Esfarjani will be writing and serving as contributing producer for Noah Hawley’s Alien series!

Esfarjani credits include his award nominated work on Marvel’s WandaVision, as well as work on NBC’s Manifest. And Alien vs. Predator Galaxy is also able to reveal that we are aware that Esfarjani has written the Alien series’ fourth episode, the working title of which is currently Observation.

In addition to Esfarjani, Alien vs. Predator Galaxy is also able to exclusively confirm that Robert De Laurentiis is also writing on the Alien series, having written the series’ third episode which is currently titled Metamorphosis.

De Laurentiis has a larger resume, including Alfred Hitchcock Presents, The O.C, The Umbrella Academy and more relevantly, Fargo, where he worked alongside Noah Hawley.  Thanks to The Flick Pec for the heads-up regarding the Esfarjani announcement!

In addition to the the episode titles above, AvP Galaxy can also exclusively reveal the working titles for the first two episodes written by Noah Hawley too. Episode #1 is Neverland and episode #2 is Mr. October.

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"Observation" and "Metamorphosis" are both listed as the third episode title. Is that a mistake and one of these is a different episode number, or is one a working title and the other the final title? Same question regarding the two writers attached to what's listed as episode three; did they co-write, or is one of these mislabeled and not actually the third episode? (Maybe this is cleared up in the video? I haven't watched that yet.)

"Mr. October" makes me think baseball postseason, which lines up heavily with Hermit's interests listed on one of the leaked production documents.

Also, "Neverland," what with its Peter Pan association, rings true to the never growing older idea that will likely be present with Hermit's sister's consciousness contained within an android body. Actually, now that I think of it, her name is even Wendy...

Whats this leaked production document i just now heard of it

Quote from: Bughuntwilson on Apr 25, 2022, 03:18:32 PM
Whats this leaked production document i just now heard of it

If you're asking about the one I'm referring to, I posted the following about it here:

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 27, 2022, 02:08:24 AM
So I happened to find a Tweet referring to the Alien series that had a "Media not displayed: The image has been removed in response to a report from the copyright holder." message on it, and I was able to access a cached version of the Tweet containing the since-removed image, which wound up being a pre-production document from the series (it's dated 11-11-21). I don't think I should directly post the image directly on here, since it has some actual contact info on it that probably shouldn't be directly out in the open (and it's already been flagged/removed the once on Twitter), but there are a couple interesting tidbits on it that I don't think we knew before.

There's a September 2022 production status listed (which is later than the Spring shoot we've been operating under the assumption of based on an interview with Hawley last year), though I'm not sure if that's referring to the full on start of production, or just specifically the particular Thailand/Eastern Europe stuff being reported on this sheet.

The little plot synopsis/character blurb matches everything that AVPG has already shared, but with a few additional details about Hermit that I don't think we've covered yet: He's unsatisfied in his current job as a medic for Prodigy Tactical Response, he had dreams of returning to medical school to fulfill a promise he made to his dying father that he's never been able to fulfill, and it seems that he is a fan of baseball and has revered players of the sport as his heroes.

Also, along with Ridley Scott, there are a couple additional producers listed: Jack Glascott from Ridley Scott's Scott Free Productions, and Caitlin Bruner from Noah Hawley's 26 Keys Productions. Noah Hawley is also listed as both writer and director on this document.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 25, 2022, 02:25:21 PM
"Observation" and "Metamorphosis" are both listed as the third episode title.

No, I'm an idiot and can never read my own mistakes, however many times I reread something. I've sorted it now. Observation is the 4th.

QuoteIn addition to the the episode titles above, AvP Galaxy can also exclusively reveal the working titles for the first two episodes written by Noah Hawley too. Episode #1 is Neverland and episode #2 is Mr. October.

Mr. Chi Lee October - Antagonist. Is cold hearted and has a fake tan, giving him a head which other characters say resembles a pumpkin.  Has a wife named Autumn.

Why the hell this sounds like orange man

Alien Isolation already did the name thing with literally having a character named Heyst being partially responsible for smuggling the Alien onboard, and a character named Ransome blackmailing various others, it is nothing new to Alien.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 25, 2022, 04:24:28 PM
Alien Isolation already did the name thing with literally having a character named Heyst being partially responsible for smuggling the Alien onboard, and a character named Ransome blackmailing various others, it is nothing new to Alien.

Okay

Neverland...

Wendy...


This show is gonna feel like some Young Adult thing, isn't it?

I don't think that necessarily true.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 25, 2022, 04:24:28 PM
Alien Isolation already did the name thing with literally having a character named Heyst being partially responsible for smuggling the Alien onboard, and a character named Ransome blackmailing various others, it is nothing new to Alien.

Well, the writers doing something stupid in an Alien videogame doesn't magically make the writers doing that same stupid thing in an Alien TV series any less stupid.

I don't think it is though.

Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 25, 2022, 04:00:57 PM

QuoteIn addition to the the episode titles above, AvP Galaxy can also exclusively reveal the working titles for the first two episodes written by Noah Hawley too. Episode #1 is Neverland and episode #2 is Mr. October.

Mr. Chi Lee October - Antagonist. Is cold hearted and has a fake tan, giving him a head which other characters say resembles a pumpkin.  Has a wife named Autumn.

I'd imagine that the "Mr. October" name/idea is more drawing on this general idea (and rooted in Hermit's love for baseball) rather than the actual name of new character for the show:

Quote[Reggie] Jackson was nicknamed "Mr. October" for his clutch hitting in the postseason with the Athletics and the Yankees.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggie_Jackson

It's theming.

It finally happened.

I finally hit a point where there was no interest left to lose. I've hit rock bottom.

I wonder what CB thinks about all this.

Quote from: SiL on Apr 25, 2022, 10:16:02 PM
It finally happened.

I finally hit a point where there was no interest left to lose. I've hit rock bottom.

What made you hit rock bottom the fact we got the wandavusion script writer or mr.october kinda sounding like a domald trump allegory i fell the same this aint exciting for me

All of it. Neverland, Wendy, Mr October, the character names, the plot description, I just don't f**king care any more.

Quote from: SiL on Apr 26, 2022, 01:06:29 AM
All of it. Neverland, Wendy, Mr October, the character names, the plot description, I just don't f**king care any more.

Dont blame you with all these name sounding like a child came up with them and i have a sinking suspicion these arent placeholders.And this show dosnt even sound like it takes place in alien sound more like alter carbon or some other genric cyberpunk tv show.Hopefull I am proven wrong but i doubt it i ll just wait and see.

Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 25, 2022, 04:00:57 PM

QuoteIn addition to the the episode titles above, AvP Galaxy can also exclusively reveal the working titles for the first two episodes written by Noah Hawley too. Episode #1 is Neverland and episode #2 is Mr. October.

Mr. Chi Lee October - Antagonist. Is cold hearted and has a fake tan, giving him a head which other characters say resembles a pumpkin.  Has a wife named Autumn.

Wait. Waaaaiiiiitttt... Mr Chilly is cold hearted? O_o

So this is going to be Legion as hell and I'm here for it.

Quote from: Some Old Dude on Apr 26, 2022, 12:16:05 PM
So this is going to be Legion as hell and I'm here for it.

Same tbh

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;D

Quote from: Stitch on Apr 26, 2022, 10:09:17 AM

Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 25, 2022, 04:00:57 PM

QuoteIn addition to the the episode titles above, AvP Galaxy can also exclusively reveal the working titles for the first two episodes written by Noah Hawley too. Episode #1 is Neverland and episode #2 is Mr. October.

Mr. Chi Lee October - Antagonist. Is cold hearted and has a fake tan, giving him a head which other characters say resembles a pumpkin.  Has a wife named Autumn.

Wait. Waaaaiiiiitttt... Mr Chilly is cold hearted? O_o

Indeed.  I wonder if George Lucas had an uncredited role in coming up with the character names for this series.

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I like weird so yeah  8)

Count me in for Alien: Legion.
I would be very disappointed if this was Colonial Marines: The Series.

Quote from: Kane's other son on Apr 27, 2022, 09:25:42 AM
I would be very disappointed if this was Colonial Marines: The Series.

That's exactly the sort of thing Disney would do!  Cheap pandering fan service, designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Luckily hiring Noah Hawley's the farthest thing from that mindset. I can not say the same for Fede Alvarez though purely considering their bodies of work.

If only there were more than those two options.

Personally I would have preferred someone like Alex Garland for an Alien movie, that or another one by Ridley Scott.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 27, 2022, 09:39:09 PM
Personally I would have preferred someone like Alex Garland for an Alien movie, that or another one by Ridley Scott.

I agree but I'm still really glad Noah Hawley's taking the lead on this.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 27, 2022, 09:45:05 PM

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 27, 2022, 09:39:09 PM
Personally I would have preferred someone like Alex Garland for an Alien movie, that or another one by Ridley Scott.

I agree but I'm still really glad Noah Hawley's taking the lead on this.

Indeed, he's a solid option for an Alien TV series given his previous works. I mean, the man has a vision, which I hope has not been undermined by the studio.

What's encouraging is that Fox initially passed but Disney called him back.

Hawley's shows are imaginative, well-written and take risks. Eve if it's a failure, it will be interesting.

Can you tell me the source?  I want to see the spoiler.

Quote from: Mornstar on Apr 29, 2022, 10:29:00 AM
Can you tell me the source?  I want to see the spoiler.

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Can you tell me the source? I want to see the spoiler.

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Can you tell me the source? I want to see the spoiler.

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Source for which info?

The title of the first episode sounds kinda enigmatic. Neverland mmmm...the only Neverland I know is the one from Peter Pan, were characters are not allowed to grow up for the sake of adventure.  :laugh:

... yes, that's the whole idea. The characters are using technology to switch consciousness from body to body to not get old, hence characters like "Wendy".

It's the cyberpunk take of Peter Pan Weyland's dream.

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I'm curious to know what that has to do with the Alien. I guess the show might use the idea that Alien biology could be useful for medical purposes and not only military, as in The Cold Forge.

I'm starting to think the Aliens will only show up to justify the branding.

Has your interest dropped further?

As stated earlier, we've hit rock bottom.

I'm not being a contrarian just for a laugh, but I genuinely love how even more off the beaten track this appears with each piece of new info revealed.

Just like with Prometheus, the absence of the Alien itself I never took issue with either. 

Prometheus took "Alien" off the title for a reason.

If the Alien's not in this you may have a point.

The Alien is in this.

Quote from: Kane's other son on Apr 27, 2022, 09:25:42 AM...
I would be very disappointed if this was Colonial Marines: The Series.

We have the Paramount + Halo series instead. And so far... it's pretty solid.

TC

If by pretty solid you mean more Alex Kurtzman tier science fiction crap with "original character do not steal" type self inserts. I'd rather Alien die as a license than become that.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on May 02, 2022, 11:58:05 AMIf by pretty solid you mean more Alex Kurtzman tier science fiction crap with "original character do not steal" type self inserts. I'd rather Alien die as a license than become that.

I've never been a big fan of Kurtzman (or Robert Orci) and their Star Trek stuff. And his previous association with JJ Abrams only discredits him further in my eyes. Xena was good, but that was very different material from a long time ago and I'm assuming he was just a junior writer in those days. So no, I don't think Halo resembles Kurtzman's work.

But if you wanted a specifically Colonial Marines show, then something Halo-like would have fitted the bill.

A specifically Alien series, OTOH, requires something darker in tone.

TC

That Paramount produced Halo certainly does to me.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 25, 2022, 10:57:03 PMI wonder what CB thinks about all this.

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I'll never understand the push back on anything Colonial Marines and Aliens. We've seen it once on film and it was arguably the most entertaining and interesting movie out the entire series.

How many times do you have to churn out something that's not like that and still think, nah that's not what we want, lets go Robots and cloning this time!  :laugh:

Well, it's probably the fact Marines populated almost every piece of Aliens EU. Most of the games involve you being a Marine, running around, shooting them damn Aliens. Even comics for a loooong time were published under the "Aliens" label which gotta be saying something

I see your point though. I'm myself not the biggest fan of people trying to push Alien to the status of an arthouse masterpiece while at the same time dismmssing Aliens as "just another generic sci fi action 80s movie" and "CaMeRoN tUrNeD eM iNtO bUgS aRrRgH !"

Quote from: Kradan on Jun 02, 2022, 11:12:51 PMWell, it's probably the fact Marines populated almost every piece of Aliens EU. Most of the games involve you being a Marine, running around, shooting them damn Aliens. Even comics for a loooong time were published under the "Aliens" label which gotta be saying something

I see your point though. I'm myself not the biggest fan of people trying to push Alien to the status of an arthouse masterpiece while at the same time dismmssing Aliens as "just another generic sci fi action 80s movie" and "CaMeRoN tUrNeD eM iNtO bUgS aRrRgH !"

The thing is you don't have to make it mindless action flick. Imagine something like Annihilation, but it's Alien. Keeping it off Earth is also a no brainier.

Aliens already showed it doesn't need to be mindless, and if you go by runtime, there's surprisingly little action in it.

Quote from: SiL on Jun 03, 2022, 12:40:58 AMAliens already showed it doesn't need to be mindless, and if you go by runtime, there's surprisingly little action in it.

I actually typed that in my initial post then kept it shorter  There's at best 2-3 action sequences that you would call set pieces. Alien seems like most things, to work best when it's not trying to be too clever.

Yeah the movies are dripping in themes but their stories are mostly unpretentious. Prometheus and Covenant are obviously exceptions and while their attempts to be profound aren't their worst aspect it doesn't help.

Quote from: SiL on Jun 03, 2022, 12:40:58 AMAliens already showed it doesn't need to be mindless, and if you go by runtime, there's surprisingly little action in it.

Yes, what Aliens did so well was make its action impactful and serve the story

There was no empty specatacle in that movie

That's a huge difference between older action movies and a lot of modern ones. Budget restraints meant you  typically had to earn your action scenes so they needed to be relevant. Now it's just chaos for the sake of it.

I can not remember where I found it, I feel like it was a BTS scene on Legion's dance numbers, but relevant because the general gist being that Noah Hawley finds action for the sake of action dull.

Hence the dance numbers in Legion or something, a more "interesting replacement" more meaningful to him, that's not to say there's never any action but it's used sparingly.

 

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 27, 2022, 08:18:20 AMdance numbers

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Kerry has no patience for dance.

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Is that from Legion?

It is and yeah that's Prey's Amber Midthunder. 

Did @[cancerblack] see that episode?

I bailed when Jemaine Clement showed up.

And if he shows up in Hawley's Alien show?

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 30, 2022, 02:26:08 AMAnd if he shows up in Hawley's Alien show?

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Hahaha

https://twitter.com/azalben/status/1554542474294693888

from today's big FX presentation.

I think we'll get the Fede Alvarez movie before this show  8)

Either way, excited for both. FX makes great shit.

Sure do

Any word on a alien covenant sequel?

Still nothing. But I wouldn't expect anything to be honest.

Damn, so that September 2022 production date was wishful thinking on my part  :-X

It was originally set to begin production in March 2022, then pushed back to September 2022, then in Feb we heard it'd been pushed back to 2023 (but no specific month was known).

I have a particularly good feeling about this.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 03, 2022, 11:18:34 AMI have a particularly good feeling about this.

I'm in wait and see mode.

I'm in "so pessimistic it's effecting my enjoyment of other things" mode.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 14, 2022, 06:39:32 PMI'm in "so pessimistic it's effecting my enjoyment of other things" mode.

Not trying to be rude, but Sounds like you should take a break from caring about movies and tv shows so much.

Oh, I didn't mean "real life" stuff. Perhaps "other Alien media" would have been a better phrasing.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 19, 2022, 02:15:15 AMOh, I didn't mean "real life" stuff. Perhaps "other Alien media" would have been a better phrasing.

Is it wrong that I'm disappointed to find out you're not as passionately negative about this show as I previously thought?

Probably.

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