Aliens Bishop

Started by felix, Apr 19, 2023, 04:56:25 AM

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Slutty Badger

Slutty Badger

#660
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 04, 2024, 08:52:47 AMIt's a good book! Nothing to f**k with.

It's good when Bishop is onscreen. It tanks when he isn't.

The food riot scene in Karri's flashback is alright - it definitely has shades of Soylent Green, and Karri being unable to get medical or police help is somewhat reminiscent of Elysium. But then "UUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" happens.

Not gonna lie, though, it would be clinically interesting to see Karri's reaction when the Colonial Marines bomb Canberra. How would she feel about the UA then?

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#661
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Apr 04, 2024, 07:36:59 PMNot gonna lie, though, it would be clinically interesting to see Karri's reaction when the Colonial Marines bomb Canberra. How would she feel about the UA then?

Would she care?

Slutty Badger


Xenomrph

Xenomrph

#663
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 02, 2024, 01:02:07 AM@Xenomrph Can you make it fit?
Seems like other people already did.

Corporal Hicks


Slutty Badger

Slutty Badger

#665
It's good when Bishop is onscreen, as it were. Otherwise, it tanks.

Acid for Blood

Acid for Blood

#666
This was a tough book for me to get through. Yes I thought the Bishop stuff was quite interesting, but I think there's a danger to expanding upon ambiguous and unanswered questions from the films. The mystery is what's good about it. I'm interested to hear your discussion though.

TheDerelict

TheDerelict

#667
Was it ever explained in the book where the Chinese got their cargo hold full of Alien eggs from?

Slutty Badger

Slutty Badger

#668
Quote from: TheDerelict on Jul 27, 2024, 01:17:15 PMWas it ever explained in the book where the Chinese got their cargo hold full of Alien eggs from?

No.

TheDerelict

TheDerelict

#669
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Jul 27, 2024, 01:17:38 PM
Quote from: TheDerelict on Jul 27, 2024, 01:17:15 PMWas it ever explained in the book where the Chinese got their cargo hold full of Alien eggs from?

No.

I didn't think so.
I wanted to like this book, but the audio was like nails on a chalk board in places and the story itself was utter fan w**k.

Someone, someday, is going to write a really great, original and atmospheric Alien book that just stands on its own without the need to reference anything from whatever this poxy f**king RPG thing is that has just poisoned everything.

Slutty Badger

Slutty Badger

#670
Quote from: TheDerelict on Jul 27, 2024, 01:36:14 PMSomeone, someday, is going to write a really great, original and atmospheric Alien book that just stands on its own without the need to reference anything from whatever this poxy f**king RPG thing is that has just poisoned everything.

Nah. If you ask me, the RPG is the main thing that the Alien franchise has going for it (aside from Romulus, natch).

I do agree that the novels have suffered from referencing the RPG constantly, though; I was looking forward to Uncivil War for that reason, but even that sucks, so I don't think dependency on the RPG is even the main problem.

TheDerelict

TheDerelict

#671
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Jul 27, 2024, 03:30:49 PM
Quote from: TheDerelict on Jul 27, 2024, 01:36:14 PMSomeone, someday, is going to write a really great, original and atmospheric Alien book that just stands on its own without the need to reference anything from whatever this poxy f**king RPG thing is that has just poisoned everything.


Nah. If you ask me, the RPG is the main thing that the Alien franchise has going for it (aside from Romulus, natch).

I do agree that the novels have suffered from referencing the RPG constantly, though; I was looking forward to Uncivil War for that reason, but even that sucks, so I don't think dependency on the RPG is even the main problem.

What is the main problem then. Why are these books so bad?

Acid_Reign161

Acid_Reign161

#672
Honestly? I don't feel it's a recent thing with Titan books.. all the expanded universe novels have felt a bit "meh" to me.. you get the occasional good one like 'The Cold Forge' but even then, despite being in love with this franchise, I wouldn't say I'm as glued to the pages as when I read, say, a new Stephen King book, or even novels from other movie franchises. I don't feel the creature translates well to the written format to be blunt.. hell, I may as well go all in, I buy every comic book too, and they're all "meh" too.. the art is sometimes nice (covers in particular) but the stories aren't something you can sit and discuss in depth of get excited over like you do the movies (imo) ...still buy every book though... 🤣

Kimarhi

Kimarhi

#673
I've liked some of the Aliens EU since the new stuff has been released. 

I was a HUGE Bantam guy and Dark Horse guy (the comics) back in the day, so the EU has always been in my blood just like the movies were.  I had no issue seperating the two out though.  To me, DH was always its own thing, the games were their own thing, and the movies were there own thing.  So DH going wild and the following bantam novelizations of said comics never bothered me. 

I think Marvel and (whoever da fuk) writes the novels for them suffer from trying to make things too serious and bleak.  Most of them have a very try hard feel to them imo. 

I do like White as an author.  Think that when White's stuff releases it's more in tune with the way the universe works than most others in the new EU.  That said, I was actually only mild to cold forge but think that having that story helped NAIL Charybdis. 

But lots of the other stuff is definitely a miss.  Despite thinking the alternate Alien 3s had potential on celluloid, I couldn't even finish the Gibson's Alien 3 novelization.  I have one where it has a bunch of legacy characters from the movies and from the EU but never made it a couple of pages in.  Lots of people like the one where they are trapped in a feudal age of tech because of the Aliens, but I couldn't dig it.

The comics have been bleak.  There is little to like in most of them, though I did like aspects of the ones where the androids were the main characters on the radioactive world.  It had some cool art, and the story was very much old EU more akin to the DH stuff.  But it still suffered from HAVING to reference the new movies, so things like the black goo morphing people are present. 

The last true Alien comic series I liked was the first Zulu Hendricks series, and that was only the first half of said series.  Started well, but failed toward the end imo, but still a good overall story. 

What is weird to me though, is I almost always like media that nobody else does in a series.  I will like well liked stories others have liked to be sure, but I can see myself liking this story, just the way that yall are always talking shit about it. 

Back in the day I liked the Earth War comics, and I also liked Stronghold before everybody figured out it wasn't supposed to be taken seriously.  I also liked the old Colonial Marines comics.  I realize it was a terrible overall Aliens story, and it has several of my own pet peeves in it, but there was more I liked than I didn't like. 

Lots of it will boil down to your own personal preference. 

I also wonder if they aren't mandated as authors to try and force every single familial connection, every reference point, etc into their work by Dibney.  Since if you look at SW and Marvel that shit makes it into a tons of series they do, and movies they do. 
 


Corporal Hicks

Corporal Hicks

#674
For the most part I've generally found Titan's novels to be solid & entertaining - things I'd rate 7 or 8 out of 10. The original trilogy was far better than it had any right to be. Cold Forge, Charybdis and Phalanx have been genuinely phenomenal, and not just fantastic tie-ins but brilliant reads all around.

I found all Titan's video game tie-ins (Isolation, Infiltrator & Predator: Stalking Shadow) to be quite mid, but nothing bad. For me, it's been the more recent (last 2 or 3 years specifically) where they've really faltered and been more bad and mid then usual. Colony War was just awful. Genuinely terrible. The kind of quality of DH Press at its worse. I can't even make it past the first 20 pages of AvP Rift War. Vasquez was quite mid, as was Enemy of My Enemy.

The only Titan books I've enjoyed recently have been Inferno's Fall (which has some of the EU's best character building and development) and this, Aliens: Bishop. I also really enjoyed both anthologies: Ultimate Prey and Eyes of the Demon, though I acknowledge that I am a little biased there as I worked on them. But I also think the quality of the shorts in them wasn't as consistently good as If It Bleeds.

But more to the point of the thread, I really did enjoy Bishop. I went into it very hesitant based on the synopsis but I was pleasantly surprised at how well written. Don't get me wrong, I'm a nerd, so I had nitpicks with it, but over all I thought it was a fantastic return to that solid form.

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