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Posted by Local Trouble
 - Nov 27, 2018, 04:54:24 AM
Posted by SM
 - Nov 27, 2018, 04:05:45 AM
"...arms and legs had been grotesquely twisted; broken when necessary..."

Yeah.  "Memory".
Posted by Local Trouble
 - Nov 27, 2018, 03:14:16 AM
What about the novelization?  Doesn't SM have it committed to memory?
Posted by SiL
 - Nov 27, 2018, 02:41:53 AM
"Carelessly twisted", that's the one.
Posted by SM
 - Nov 27, 2018, 02:30:33 AM
Not as such.  Something similar though.

QuoteApone stops, his expression changing.  They face a
        wall of living horror.  The colonists have been
        brought here and entombed alive...

        COCOONS protrude from the niches and interstices
        of the structure.  The cocoon material is the same
        translucent epoxy.  The bodies are frozen in
        carelessly twisted positions.  Macabre image of
        frozen agony.  Many are disiccated.  Skeletal.
        Rip-cages burst outward, as if exploded from within.
        Paralyzed, brought here, entombed in living death
        as hosts for the embryos growing within then.
Posted by SiL
 - Nov 27, 2018, 02:15:58 AM
Think the script mentions it as well.
Posted by Local Trouble
 - Nov 27, 2018, 02:14:54 AM
Didn't the novelization mention that some of the colonists had their limbs broken when the aliens unceremoniously shoved them into their cocoon alcoves?  I could swear I read that back in the day.
Posted by SM
 - Nov 27, 2018, 02:06:31 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 27, 2018, 01:41:38 AM
It inspired me to imagine that the alien may have maimed Dallas to the point where he was too crippled to resist.  Kinda like Church's mom.

The crippling parts could fit.  Though it does seem a little OTT.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 27, 2018, 01:58:47 AM
Does it even matter?  If Ripley actually saw what was happening to Brett and Dallas, she didn't connect the dots 57 years later when the subject came up again.  Hell, she didn't even recount her observation and let someone else float the suggestion that the aliens may turn their prey into eggs.  She just pointedly asked Bishop where they came from as if she had no information that may shed further light on the matter.

Quite.

Such are the perils of recutting films.
Posted by Local Trouble
 - Nov 27, 2018, 01:58:47 AM
Does it even matter?  If Ripley actually saw what was happening to Brett and Dallas, she didn't connect the dots 57 years later when the subject came up again.  Hell, she didn't even recount her observation and let someone else float the suggestion that the aliens may turn their prey into eggs.  She just pointedly asked Bishop where they came from as if she had no information that may shed further light on the matter.
Posted by Xenomrph
 - Nov 27, 2018, 01:47:56 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 27, 2018, 01:37:28 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 27, 2018, 01:26:48 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 27, 2018, 01:24:35 AM
Could we even see if Dallas still *had* arms and legs? Maybe he wasn't kneeling or crouching, maybe he was... shorter than he used to be. :P

That's why I mentioned Labyrinth.  Whether it's canon or not, it's conceptually relevant to the discussion.

Is it?
People who have been messed up by Aliens, begging for death?
Posted by Local Trouble
 - Nov 27, 2018, 01:41:38 AM
It inspired me to imagine that the alien may have maimed Dallas to the point where he was too crippled to resist.  Kinda like Church's mom.
Posted by SM
 - Nov 27, 2018, 01:37:28 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 27, 2018, 01:26:48 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 27, 2018, 01:24:35 AM
Could we even see if Dallas still *had* arms and legs? Maybe he wasn't kneeling or crouching, maybe he was... shorter than he used to be. :P

That's why I mentioned Labyrinth.  Whether it's canon or not, it's conceptually relevant to the discussion.

Is it?
Posted by Xenomrph
 - Nov 27, 2018, 01:31:05 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 27, 2018, 01:26:48 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 27, 2018, 01:24:35 AM
Could we even see if Dallas still *had* arms and legs? Maybe he wasn't kneeling or crouching, maybe he was... shorter than he used to be. :P

That's why I mentioned Labyrinth.  Whether it's canon or not, it's conceptually relevant to the discussion.

Labyrinth is canon. It's more canon than the movies. Labyrinth is love, Labyrinth is life.

Praise be the One True Aliens Comic.
Posted by Local Trouble
 - Nov 27, 2018, 01:26:48 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 27, 2018, 01:24:35 AM
Could we even see if Dallas still *had* arms and legs? Maybe he wasn't kneeling or crouching, maybe he was... shorter than he used to be. :P

That's why I mentioned Labyrinth.  Whether it's canon or not, it's conceptually relevant to the discussion.
Posted by Xenomrph
 - Nov 27, 2018, 01:24:35 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 27, 2018, 01:08:10 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 27, 2018, 12:55:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 27, 2018, 12:10:15 AM
I don't picture Dallas asking for death or Ripley granting it if he wasn't as good as dead already.

We don't know what the Alien did to him, be it turning him into an egg or any other horrific fate. Ripley doesn't know what she's looking at, he's in agony and begging to die (regardless of whether he's actually for-realsies terminally injured or not), Ripley obliges him because who knows what's going on?

It's like Lambert - we don't know what happened, but we know it wasn't good.

At least did didn't have to drink out of a pool of green alien semen like Church did.  Or did he?
Could we even see if Dallas still *had* arms and legs? Maybe he wasn't kneeling or crouching, maybe he was... shorter than he used to be. :P
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