Sept 2nd,
Quote from: ChrisF;2708666I am happy to be able to confirm that female marines are playable in competitive multiplayer as well as co-op, complete with customization elements. This is something the team has been planning and working on for quite some time, and that work is finally at the point where we can confirm it will indeed ship with the game when it releases on February 12, 2013.
Congratulations everyone!!!
I am hoping these "Customization elements are as advanced as to allow Hair, Skin, Body build (Slim/Thicker), and of course Armour customization!, It would be fantastic to build a marine that represents you!!!
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A reply to the Thank you letter I sent Ms. Hiller!:
Quote'this is great news for all dynamic fans of Aliens. Especially the ladies!
Corp Ferro
Just got a retweet from Vasquez!!!
https://twitter.com/jenettebras/status/243161704362569728QuoteYES!!! RT @MOOSH_89: @jenettebras Thank you so much for your support for Playable Females!, The petition is a success! http://bit.ly/QebGuw
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Also here is a video appeal from the cast!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6CF3kcszpA#ws
Seems odd that they don't have females considering how iconic Vasquez is.
I know, hey? Yet you can be DEAD male marines online... Seems kinda odd to me!
Are you kidding me? Playble females are a MUST. I mean, one of the most disappointing aspects of AVP2010 (trying so hard to forget the losing XP glitch and the horrendous nightmare of The Six Pack trophy/achievement) was the fact that there were no playable female marines. What is Gearbox thinking leaving females out? ???
It sucks they won't have playable female marines. (But plenty of AI female marines they claim.)
I blame the meta game. With all the player customization, armor, etc. They would have to create so much more just to have a different character model.
If you can customise your character to have no helmet and a bandanna - problem solved. :)
Quote from: predxeno on Jun 08, 2012, 04:58:27 AM
Are you kidding me? Playble females are a MUST. I mean, one of the most disappointing aspects of AVP2010 (trying so hard to forget the losing XP glitch and the horrendous nightmare of The Six Pack trophy/achievement) was the fact that there were no playable female marines. What is Gearbox thinking leaving females out? ???
Thanks for your support!, Lets change that by getting as many signatures as possible! And don't forget to pass it on!
Still dont believe theres no female marines.... what the hell. Ill sign the petition.
This shit makes no sense there were 3 female marines in aliens.
I am kinda glad there are no playable female marines. Its pissing me off to know I am in squad of 6-7 other marines which are female models but actually in the real life they are male rofl. Its weird you know ;D Its confusing to see a female model but when that player use his mic and you hear male voice out of female mouth.
They should put ripley as a multiplayer character that would be awsome
Chicks aren't susceptible to sonic EEElectronic ball breakers, so having them for multiplayer will give them too much of an advantage.
Quote from: Voodoo Actual on Jun 08, 2012, 06:25:02 AM
I am kinda glad there are no playable female marines. Its pissing me off to know I am in squad of 6-7 other marines which are female models but actually in the real rile they are male rofl. Its weird you know ;D Its confusing to see a female model but when that player use his mic and you hear male voice out of female mouth.
It's only weird if you were trying to hit on them ;)
haha
Quote from: SM on Jun 08, 2012, 07:25:31 AM
Chicks aren't susceptible to sonic EEElectronic ball breakers, so having them for multiplayer will give them too much of an advantage.
We may not have balls, but it sure doesn't tickle when we get hit there (TMI... haha)
But seriously... to be true to the franchise, and ALL its fans, this needs to change!
You have to have female marines or playable characters in a proper Aliens game.
Aliens is ALL about strong female character. That is like it's #1 theme. Come on Gearbox!
The link to sign the petition does not work though.
Quote from: shadowedge on Jun 08, 2012, 09:16:58 AM
The link to sign the petition does not work though.
The one in her signature is working fine.
Quote from: Voodoo Actual on Jun 08, 2012, 10:26:07 AM
Quote from: shadowedge on Jun 08, 2012, 09:16:58 AM
The link to sign the petition does not work though.
The one in her signature is working fine.
I didn't see that sig.
Totally signed!
This is what I said in the "Collector's Edition Revealed" Thread:
Quote from: Ash 937 on May 31, 2012, 04:11:10 PMI think in all fairness that they should include a skin for Vasquez. She is arguably one of the most well-developed and colorful characters of the film. I would much rather prefer to see her than Drake or Apone.
I think female players are a must for A:CM since so much of the action in the film series revolves around strong female characters. There is Ripley, Vasquez....and even Call from
Alien Resurrection. I think the omission of a playable female skin is an oversight on the part of GBX. Thankfully we live in the age of DLC and this issue can be addressed sometime after the game is released.
It depends. If the female models differs with their height and overall size of the limbs, they can't add new skins as DLC because they will not fit into the male skeleton. Otherwise the female models will have the same height and limb measures as the male models, the same animations etc. Just the skin will differ. If you want female models with female animations and measures - GBX must add female skeleton and rig female animations to it ;) Yeah Bella is already in the game, but just imagine she is a support char which appear only in cutscenes and there is no "playable" female skeleton model ;)
QuoteWe may not have balls, but it sure doesn't tickle when we get hit there (TMI... haha)
Dunno if sonic EEElectronic clit-tickler would get by the censor...
Yeah not having playable female marines is a little silly.
Quote from: SM on Jun 09, 2012, 05:32:22 AM
Dunno if sonic EEElectronic clit-tickler would get by the censor...
Only a dude would think of that, bahahaha
Thanks for your support everyone! Keep signing!
Sonic Electronic Bouncing Betty
SEBB
Sonic Electronic Ball Buster
Sonic Electronic Breast Buster
Sonic Electronic Boob Buster
Quote from: SM on Jun 08, 2012, 04:33:40 AM
Seems odd that they don't have females considering how iconic Vasquez is.
Like I said in a thread of mine on the Alien/Predator games forum, it seems like a lot of Alien/AVP games not directly based on the movies seldom feature women in the lead role, or even as selectable characters. It's like most of those games are catered to a macho audience, who probably loved everything about Aliens (and perhaps Alien too) save of course the pesky tough gals that smashed their weak little egos into even littler pieces.
So yeah, Ripley and Vasquez are iconic, but chances are that half of the people playing those games are those that did not like them. And there's enough of them to prevent the games from flopping.
But that's one theory of mine.
Thanks for your support everyone!, Don't forget to pass it along to others you know who are getting A:CM!
Has your little petition actually been given the *nod* from SEGA?
I mean, did you put the cap at one hundred votes.. or have they asked for at least a hundred?
Quote from: Lt. Kidd on Jun 11, 2012, 06:44:44 PM
Has your little petition actually been given the *nod* from SEGA?
I mean, did you put the cap at one hundred votes.. or have they asked for at least a hundred?
It would take far more than 100 to get the ball rolling. At this point it may do more harm than good, considering they most likely haven't even begun the work required. No one wants to see this game delayed anymore for any feature.
Nope, in fact I never set the cap, I'm sure it can be changed. That is the default cap when you leave the "Goal" field blank.
The message boards are a small fraction of the people who will actually buy this game and I thought I would start at a reasonable level after I seen the "100" cap.
I may bump it up to 500 or so. The point is given though, people want playable females.
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jun 11, 2012, 07:30:26 PM
Nope, in fact I never set the cap, I'm sure it can be changed. That is the default cap when you leave the "Goal" field blank.
The message boards are a small fraction of the people who will actually buy this game and I thought I would start at a reasonable level after I seen the "100" cap.
I may bump it up to 500 or so. The point is given though, people want playable females.
If there are gaming sites directed toward female players you might want to try there (if you haven't already).
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.gamerant.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FAliens-Colonial-Marines-Pre-Order-Bonuses.jpg&hash=5545fed3927209fd9240d6ce44b1f0f2cd89f293)
Interestingly enough, there's an image of a female marine advertised in the Gamestop preorder bonus pic above.
Quote from: newbeing on Jun 11, 2012, 07:44:34 PM
If there are gaming sites directed toward female players you might want to try there (if you haven't already).
Fantastic idea newbeing, thank you, off to google I go!
Quote from: predxeno on Jun 11, 2012, 08:45:36 PM
Interestingly enough, there's an image of a female marine advertised in the Gamestop preorder bonus pic above.
Indeed... I did see that and my wishful little mind started to churn, However that is Bella, from the story... if there were playable females in Multiplayer, you would think that Brian Burleson would have said so, same with Gearbox, and they would have replied to my email or to one of the message board threads stating that you can, and the worries and petition is not needed... Sadly, they have been quite mum.
I am going to quote a post I made last night in the Gearbox official forums thread:
QuoteAgain, I am all about story driven games, I can't wait to step into Cpl. Winter's boots and go on a bug hunt, but there needs to be diversity and individualism to the multiplayer/co-op. I am a female, therefore I should have a female marine that looks "somewhat" like me, that represents me, my personality in order to "Become a Colonial Marine"
Example:
slim
brunette, always hair up in a braid or ponytail, or a bun (I'm not too crazy with my hair styles, they are pretty basic, but functional haha) Whichever is easiest to have in a game and works with headwear (I'm not so much for helmets, but I have a vast hat collection!)
Green eyes (although who's really gonna be looking at my eyes while I'm shooting them?)
I guess you could say I'm short, I'm not sure, I've never stood before, but my ID says I'm 5'3, which is average, except in my family (My sister is 5'11, brothers 5'10 to 6'3, Dad 6'4, Mom 5'5)
light complection
I don't expect to be roaming LV-426 in a futuristic powerchair, so a nice set of combat boots will suffice
Armour wise:
Probably a smart gunner cap
M3 armour with some graffitti that suits me, My name stencil will read either MOOSH or KLASSEN maybe "Shoot the C***SUCKERS!" (family joke that applies to most video games), a pink rooster to signify me and my brothers *clan* "GYCH", maybe "SIC PARVIS MAGNA" and of course "Get away from her, you BITCH!"... still thinking of more
Lots of storage haha, I tend to carry alot, and I'm a virtual hoarder, or "scavenger".
Sounds like alot, but when you imagine it, you still get a very generic looking player model.
I will still shake it up a bit and play as Hicks, Hudson, Apone and maybe Drake when I'm feeling nostalgic and feel like shouting lines from the movie but other then that, I'll play as a CUSTOM female as described, or close to it! (We don't know how deep the armour customization will go, hopefully they elaborate on that alittle more soon!
Thanks for the support everyone!
Quote from: predxeno on Jun 11, 2012, 08:45:36 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.gamerant.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FAliens-Colonial-Marines-Pre-Order-Bonuses.jpg&hash=5545fed3927209fd9240d6ce44b1f0f2cd89f293)
Interestingly enough, there's an image of a female marine advertised in the Gamestop preorder bonus pic above.
That's Bella one of the NPCs in the game. There should be multiple female marines in the game even if they're not playable. We saw female marines in the Contact trailer as well and supposedly the studio that made that trailer used assets from Gearbox.
Speaking of Bella, am I the only one who thinks her face looks kind of strange?
Quote from: PVTDukeMorrison on Jun 11, 2012, 09:17:22 PM
Speaking of Bella, am I the only one who thinks her face looks kind of strange?
HAHA! Nope!, it's got something weird goin' on, even her body shape looks weird, its like she is highly stylised in a cartoonish way... I definitely don't want to be a Bella running around
Major Spoiler below:
Spoiler
It has been said you find her waking from a face hugger attack and you should be wary of her, as she is like a ticking time bomb and she dies... Not very flattering for the girls out there, knowing she is doomed from the start!
They made Bella young, petite, and pretty. Big surprise.
She looks more tough looking than pretty, and her skin tone make me think she'll be of native american descent. Plus uh, most of the women in Aliens and generally the military are "petite" due to basically training and working out until they're lean and muscly. I'll give you young
I didn't mean to say I think she is pretty, but obviously that was their intention after seeing various shots of her. Also, she is supposed to be the love interest. :P
... I didn't mean to suggest anyone said anything about their opinion on her pretiness. (I think that's a sentence :laugh:)
But even if she's the love interest, I don't think they were entrirely going for pretty. EIther way, doesn't really matter, as long as she acts cool and tough I guess
Signed, we're at 80 signatures now, and I'd do it 420 more times if I could.
Just signed mine as well.
Thank you so much ShadowPred & Space Sweeper! I'm so happy so many agree!
Another glorious day in the Corps! :)
Signed. #95!
Signed.
Number 95! :)
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 20, 2012, 03:06:58 AM
#95!
Quote from: Galliruler on Jun 20, 2012, 04:01:35 AM
Number 95! :)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi124.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp30%2FShadowPred%2Ftumblr_m5fkebQYUt1ro9aec.gif&hash=6e5de10a8fc9766189480c8387a4d878784692eb)
Zooey Daschanel's sadly steady descent into obnoxiousness continues...
Quote from: SM on Jun 20, 2012, 04:17:56 AM
Zooey Daschanel's sadly steady descent into obnoxiousness continues...
Don't go insane because of it. We need you here!
I can take a screencap and show you guys. On my screen, I am number 95. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlxoyw_8I7I# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlxoyw_8I7I#)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi247.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg148%2FGalliruler%2F2012-06-19234150.jpg&hash=b7f458c2241214d662ebe3fe8c81ec4c127a0aa8)
Not a screencap, but if you can see my OS, then you know why I opted for a picture from my phone. :P
Balls
That's me. :D
Best damn name right there!
A gentleman admits defeat.
Come, share a cigar and cognac.
I've got balls of steel.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2138%2F5744215368_564d79cd63_z.jpg&hash=0f24173a3d363d1a238a6f4c46eee6eaa4367344)
And SpaceMarines,
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi247.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg148%2FGalliruler%2F6147081884_c73057fb96.jpg&hash=92fbb36016f5bf14507dd81a7f8a09fae8549879)
Quote from: Galliruler on Jun 20, 2012, 05:02:42 AM
I've got balls of steel.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2138%2F5744215368_564d79cd63_z.jpg&hash=0f24173a3d363d1a238a6f4c46eee6eaa4367344)
Correct if I'm wrong, but it looks like you're missing 1 ball; that makes you only half a man. ;) :D
The other one is being caressed by a hooker's mouth.
I don't wash them so she may get tetanus...
signed, and let us beseech the blessing of almighty god upon this great and noble undertaking.
(just played medal of honor)
Thanks guys :)
I'm glad you guys are having fun, but in the future, can we refrain from using goofy names? This petition means alot to many people who have taken the time to sign it, and we want to be taken seriously by Gearbox and SEGA.
Over on the Gearbox forums we are discussing possibly sending the petition to gaming media sites like Kotaku and such, so we want to look as good as we can. I think we have decided we will wait until we have at least 200 signatures.
Thanks again for your support
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jun 20, 2012, 07:12:19 PM
Thanks guys :)
I'm glad you guys are having fun, but in the future, can we refrain from using goofy names? This petition means alot to many people who have taken the time to sign it, and we want to be taken seriously by Gearbox and SEGA.
Over on the Gearbox forums we are discussing possibly sending the petition to gaming media sites like Kotaku and such, so we want to look as good as we can. I think we have decided we will wait until we have at least 200 signatures.
Thanks again for your support
My bad, Moosh. :-[
I signed it though, and that's what matters, right? I would like the option to have a female character, even if I never choose to play as one. It would make the multiplayer more... dynamic. Instead of having a squad of testosterone, we should have a squad of estrogen and testosterone.
Thats OK, Galliruler!
I appreciate you signing it and thanks for your understanding! :)
All is well, friend!
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jun 20, 2012, 07:53:10 PM
Thats OK, Galliruler!
I appreciate you signing it and thanks for your understanding! :)
All is well, friend!
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc04.deviantart.net%2Ffs46%2Ff%2F2009%2F182%2F9%2F3%2FAwesome_face_by_Espio_fanboy.jpg&hash=753789e53e96d08da121bd54be310ebfcc94d305)
Oh, god. That smiley is so f**king happy. I love it!
What about this smiley?
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realbollywood.com%2Fup_images%2FGeorge-Smiley15839y.jpg&hash=27d4a8401f9313ec2a15cef7080044e6dc273795)
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 20, 2012, 11:07:20 PM
What about this smiley?
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realbollywood.com%2Fup_images%2FGeorge-Smiley15839y.jpg&hash=27d4a8401f9313ec2a15cef7080044e6dc273795)
The subtle smile is killer.
I just sent the petition link to:
The Hunter's Lair: A Predator costuming forum. http://www.thehunterslair.com/topic/28348-petition-to-play-as-female-marines-in-aliens-colonial-marines/ (http://www.thehunterslair.com/topic/28348-petition-to-play-as-female-marines-in-aliens-colonial-marines/)
The Escapist Forum: (Home of Zero Punctuation) http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.379404-Aliens-Colonial-Marines-playable-female-marine-petition#comment_form (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.379404-Aliens-Colonial-Marines-playable-female-marine-petition#comment_form)
The Wolf Pack Clan forum. You may know them for hosting AVP 2010 PC dedicated servers. http://www.wolfpackclan.com/modules/newbbex/2511-3-colonial-marines-female-marines-petition.html (http://www.wolfpackclan.com/modules/newbbex/2511-3-colonial-marines-female-marines-petition.html)
EDIT: Just broke 103 sigs!
Thanks so much Shadowedge!
I feel bad, lol.
I'm looking through the petition and seeing all the names and statements about how females should be included and then;
#95: Balls
Quote from: Galliruler on Jun 21, 2012, 04:47:47 AM
I feel bad, lol.
I'm looking through the petition and seeing all the names and statements about how females should be included and then;
#95: Balls
Still amazing.
Theres sould be female characters in multiplayer. I would sign this but I'm low on money :(
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jun 21, 2012, 04:44:33 AM
Thanks so much Shadowedge!
No prob!
Check out the Escapist link. A Gearbox Rep replied to the thread saying that they respond and discuss all fan suggestions!
I signed! From what I understand, they already have a female character in the game, so that means they have a female model already created. I don't know much about game development; would it really be that much extra effort to make some gear for the already-created model?
Quote from: Terx2 on Jun 21, 2012, 06:20:00 AM
Theres sould be female characters in multiplayer. I would sign this but I'm low on money :(
No donations necessary Terx2!, just ignore that!
Thanks for your support everyone!
Signed!
Oh my gosh! HAHAHA! Last night I checked before I went to bed at like 3AM and it was at like 109 and I was blown away, but thinking it would take at least another week or so to hit 200!
CONGRATULATIONS LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! WE ARE DOING IT!
I started making a list of places to email last night, I had a hard time, my mind went blank. I ask that everyone contribute to the list if you can.
So far I have contact info for the following:
- Kotaku
- ComputerAndVideoGames
- IGN
- Gamespot
- Female Gamer
- WomenGamers
- GamingAngels
- FragDolls (Not sure if they can help us, they are Ubisoft, but play other games from other devs)
- 1UP
- GameInformer
- VG247
We need to decide if we are going big at these sites, when we do it and what we say. I will start on a general letter to them all and we can all contribute, because this is for the community, male gamers, female gamers, and Aliens fans alike!
We should also decide on a petition goal for going big too, like 1,000? 5,000? 10,000? (I honestly have no idea what to put!)
If you have posted this petition elsewhere, thank you so much!, Can I ask that you update your posts when we decide what we are doing? we can make a general update so everyone knows whats up
You guys/girls rock!
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jun 21, 2012, 11:03:19 PM
Oh my gosh! HAHAHA! Last night I checked before I went to bed at like 3AM and it was at like 109 and I was blown away, but thinking it would take at least another week or so to hit 200!
CONGRATULATIONS LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! WE ARE DOING IT!
I started making a list of places to email last night, I had a hard time, my mind went blank. I ask that everyone contribute to the list if you can.
So far I have contact info for the following:
- Kotaku
- ComputerAndVideoGames
- IGN
- Gamespot
- Female Gamer
- WomenGamers
- GamingAngels
- FragDolls (Not sure if they can help us, they are Ubisoft, but play other games from other devs)
- 1UP
- GameInformer
- VG247
We need to decide if we are going big at these sites, when we do it and what we say. I will start on a general letter to them all and we can all contribute, because this is for the community, male gamers, female gamers, and Aliens fans alike!
We should also decide on a petition goal for going big too, like 1,000? 5,000? 10,000? (I honestly have no idea what to put!)
If you have posted this petition elsewhere, thank you so much!, Can I ask that you update your posts when we decide what we are doing? we can make a general update so everyone knows whats up
You guys/girls rock!
May I recommend some more sites?
http://jezebel.com/ (http://jezebel.com/)
http://www.toplessrobot.com/ (http://www.toplessrobot.com/)
These are not specifically gaming sites but they do get quite a bit of traffic and seem to be the kind of sites that would promote this kind of thing. Topless Robot is especially big on Alien.
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jun 21, 2012, 11:03:19 PM
We should also decide on a petition goal for going big too, like 1,000? 5,000? 10,000? (I honestly have no idea what to put!)
There's no way we're getting 5 000, let alone 10 000. 1 000 is still a bit of a stretch, I think.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 22, 2012, 05:54:26 PM
There's no way we're getting 5 000, let alone 10 000. 1 000 is still a bit of a stretch, I think.
I honestly thought there was no way we were going to get to 200, but we are nearly there!
Think positive, and good things will come!
Thanks everyone!
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jun 21, 2012, 08:30:20 AM
Quote from: Terx2 on Jun 21, 2012, 06:20:00 AM
Theres sould be female characters in multiplayer. I would sign this but I'm low on money :(
No donations necessary Terx2!, just ignore that!
Thanks for your support everyone!
My bad I should have said should instead of sould. I thought donating was necessary the delevopers could spend more time adding in the female characters? :-\ Oh well.
Quote from: Terx2 on Jun 25, 2012, 05:44:11 AM
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jun 21, 2012, 08:30:20 AM
Quote from: Terx2 on Jun 21, 2012, 06:20:00 AM
Theres sould be female characters in multiplayer. I would sign this but I'm low on money :(
No donations necessary Terx2!, just ignore that!
Thanks for your support everyone!
My bad I should have said should instead of sould. I thought donating was necessary the delevopers could spend more time adding in the female characters? :-\ Oh well.
You do
not have to donate anything to sign the petition. The donations do not go to gearbox, either.
Quote from: Predaker on Jun 25, 2012, 02:32:10 PM
Quote from: Terx2 on Jun 25, 2012, 05:44:11 AM
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jun 21, 2012, 08:30:20 AM
Quote from: Terx2 on Jun 21, 2012, 06:20:00 AM
Theres sould be female characters in multiplayer. I would sign this but I'm low on money :(
No donations necessary Terx2!, just ignore that!
Thanks for your support everyone!
My bad I should have said should instead of sould. I thought donating was necessary the delevopers could spend more time adding in the female characters? :-\ Oh well.
You do not have to donate anything to sign the petition. The donations do not go to gearbox, either.
Thank god I didn't donate :laugh: Question were does it go to?
Quote from: Terx2 on Jun 26, 2012, 03:33:27 AM
Thank god I didn't donate :laugh: Question were does it go to?
No idea, I wasn't even aware that ipetitions asked for a donation lol
So yes, Ignore that! :)
http://www.gamesradar.com/lack-females-aliens-colonial-marines-prompts-gamer-outrage-online-petition-and-quite-rightly-so/ (http://www.gamesradar.com/lack-females-aliens-colonial-marines-prompts-gamer-outrage-online-petition-and-quite-rightly-so/)
Why do people keep saying there are playable females for the campaign? There are no playable females at all. Must be that misleading box art. 4 player coop! Female on cover art!!! Lol. GG, gearbox.
Quote from: newbeing on Jul 04, 2012, 01:17:21 PM
http://www.gamesradar.com/lack-females-aliens-colonial-marines-prompts-gamer-outrage-online-petition-and-quite-rightly-so/ (http://www.gamesradar.com/lack-females-aliens-colonial-marines-prompts-gamer-outrage-online-petition-and-quite-rightly-so/)
Christ, this is picking up recognition. It's gotten a fair number of signatures, too.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/356467/fans-start-petition-over-aliens-female-snub/ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/356467/fans-start-petition-over-aliens-female-snub/)
CVG picked it up.
Was about to post the Gamesradar link. This is great news that it;s picking up, didn't expect it to.
Great...
Now they are going to delay the game again just to add playable female characters.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jul 04, 2012, 09:24:04 PM
Great...
Now they are going to delay the game again just to add playable female characters.
I highly doubt that, they have plenty time to add them in.
I updated the OP :)
Congratulations everyone!
And a special thanks to number 95 on the petition...
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jul 04, 2012, 09:24:04 PM
Great...
Now they are going to delay the game again just to add playable female characters.
Might as well, we've waited a million years already, we can wait one more.
Dang! 590 sigs!
Have you considered sending it to the Mary Sue? http://www.themarysue.com/ (http://www.themarysue.com/)
603...It was 220 yesterday...
Quote from: shadowedge on Jul 05, 2012, 12:25:40 AM
Dang! 590 sigs!
Have you considered sending it to the Mary Sue? http://www.themarysue.com/ (http://www.themarysue.com/)
Hah!, Never heard of them before, excellent reference, email sent!
Thanks again shadowedge!
611 on my count now, we'll be reaching 1,000 signatures in no time
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jul 04, 2012, 09:24:04 PM
Great...
Now they are going to delay the game again just to add playable female characters.
Puh-leeze. Cry me a river. :P
641 just now.
Wow! This is gonna blow up.
What now, Pitchford? ;D
Another site picked it up! http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/xbox/games/167282.Aliens-Colonial-Marines/news/1004721.20120705.Petition-demands-female-characters-in-Colonial-Marines/ (http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/xbox/games/167282.Aliens-Colonial-Marines/news/1004721.20120705.Petition-demands-female-characters-in-Colonial-Marines/)
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jul 04, 2012, 09:24:04 PM
Great...
Now they are going to delay the game again just to add playable female characters.
Yeah, I said the same in the GBX forums but no one listen. But I don't think GBX will add playable female chars. Its not worth the effort. 660 people signed the petition, lets imagine that everybody buy the game so 660 copies. Maybe it will cost more to GBX to make playable fem chars.
I'm honestly surprised they didn't include them.
Quote from: Predaker on Jul 05, 2012, 04:59:14 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jul 04, 2012, 09:24:04 PM
Great...
Now they are going to delay the game again just to add playable female characters.
Puh-leeze. Cry me a river. :P
You quite clearly are in no position to make such a statement. If they delay this again just because a load of disgruntled females are complaining on a forum, I and many others will be p*ssed. I agree that some of the ALIENS movie's iconic characters are female and that the game should have had them included from the beginning, but if they've already made their decision; it ain't worth risking another delay - especially since we won't even be able to see who we are playing as the marines are controlled from a first person persective.
Quote from: FightFinda on Jul 05, 2012, 06:54:55 AM
Quote from: Predaker on Jul 05, 2012, 04:59:14 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jul 04, 2012, 09:24:04 PM
Great...
Now they are going to delay the game again just to add playable female characters.
Puh-leeze. Cry me a river. :P
You quite clearly are in no position to make such a statement. If they delay this again just because a load of disgruntled females are complaining on a forum, I and many others will be p*ssed. I agree that some of the ALIENS movie's iconic characters are female and that the game should have had them included from the beginning, but if they've already made their decision; it ain't worth risking another delay - especially since we won't even be able to see who we are playing as since the marines are in a first person persective.
It is not just females who are upset over this. This kind of thing crosses over to both genders.
One of the main themes on the Alien series is strong female characters, this was back before they were a common thing in movies. Gearbox wants to make the ultimate Aliens game, and this is a core concept to the series. No playable female marines in the perfect Aliens game is like no Batman in a Batman game.
Quote from: shadowedge on Jul 05, 2012, 07:00:39 AM
Quote from: FightFinda on Jul 05, 2012, 06:54:55 AM
Quote from: Predaker on Jul 05, 2012, 04:59:14 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jul 04, 2012, 09:24:04 PM
Great...
Now they are going to delay the game again just to add playable female characters.
Puh-leeze. Cry me a river. :P
You quite clearly are in no position to make such a statement. If they delay this again just because a load of disgruntled females are complaining on a forum, I and many others will be p*ssed. I agree that some of the ALIENS movie's iconic characters are female and that the game should have had them included from the beginning, but if they've already made their decision; it ain't worth risking another delay - especially since we won't even be able to see who we are playing as since the marines are in a first person persective.
It is not just females who are upset over this. This kind of thing crosses over to both genders.
One of the main themes on the Alien series is strong female characters, this was back before they were a common thing in movies. Gearbox wants to make the ultimate Aliens game, and this is a core concept to the series. No playable female marines in the perfect Aliens game is like no Batman in a Batman game.
I respect that answer, and I would be all up for them getting in some playable females IF they can get them in there before February. Don't get me wrong as I'm not a soft kid but in my honest opinion, I just don't think it's worth it if it will mean another delay, mainly due to the fact that the marines are played in first person. As far as I'm concerned, when viewed in this point of view, I am the marine and sex doesn't come into my head when I'm playing. Were it third person on the other hand, this would be a very different story as it would be hard for me to consider myself a female marine if I could see my character was built like a shed and had a full beard.
I am not a game designer so I don't know how much time, effort and/or money this inclusion would take, which is another reason why I am not pushing the idea.
On a side note, I'm just assuming that they've confirmed there won't be playable females. I'm not questioning the foundations of this thread by any stretch, but is there any chance someone could provide me with a link to the interview (or whatever form the confirmation took place) where they stated females wouldn't be playable, just out of interest. Much abliged.
Quote from: shadowedge on Jul 05, 2012, 07:00:39 AM
One of the main themes on the Alien series is strong female characters, this was back before they were a common thing in movies. Gearbox wants to make the ultimate Aliens game, and this is a core concept to the series. No playable female marines in the perfect Aliens game is like no Batman in a Batman game.
There was just 1 strong female char. All other females died like the males. All female marines in Aliens died. In ACM all the players are playing with marines. We all are going to die eventually, no matter the gender. Its not about "the strong female char" anymore.
Quote from: Voodoo Actual on Jul 05, 2012, 09:26:00 AM
Quote from: shadowedge on Jul 05, 2012, 07:00:39 AM
One of the main themes on the Alien series is strong female characters, this was back before they were a common thing in movies. Gearbox wants to make the ultimate Aliens game, and this is a core concept to the series. No playable female marines in the perfect Aliens game is like no Batman in a Batman game.
There was just 1 strong female char. All other females died like the males. All female marines in Aliens died. In ACM all the players are playing with marines. We all are going to die eventually, no matter the gender. Its not about "the strong female char" anymore.
You gotta be tough to make it to the marines man! Vasquez was just the one who was the toughest.
I think the main issue is that Aliens was responsible for being the first big name movie to do two things:
1. Being the first blockbuster to showcase two very strong female action hero leads. This wasn't some cheesy 60s sexploitation film, this was a mainstream hit. Without this there would be no Buffy, Xena, River Tam, Laura Croft, etc. Aliens paved the way for them, and for the public to accept them as mainstream box office draws. This is what Aliens is known for doing. Strong female characters is a main theme of the entire series, that even spread to the AVP films. Even the computer was MUTHUR.
You could argue that Terminator 1 was first with Sarah Conner in 1984, but she didn't become the badass she is known for until the 2nd film a few years later in 1991. In Terminator 1 she was kind of clumsy 20 something waitress.
2. The female marine thing was treated as a non-issue. They were not special case or a rarity. They were just there, same as the guys. I think that the world that Aliens take place in is very gender neutral, everyone has an equal opportunity at things. There wasn't just one token female marine, there were three. Even the boardroom scene in Aliens had couple female executives in it.
For comparison look at a modern film like Battle Los Angeles. There was like 1 female soldier in the entire movie.
You are right though, regardless of the gender, players are going to be dieing...a lot.
"Strong female char" is done to death. Its overused. Every movie nowadays is with platoon full of soldiers who die but ofc some girl survives. I am tired of this. Every horror movie I watch and I know how it will end - the girl survives, gg all. How original really... Maybe it was good by the time of A1,2 but now its not cool. And its not realistic but its a movie so thats not the point entirely, the point is that its already boring movies to end this way.
Quote from: FightFinda on Jul 05, 2012, 06:54:55 AM
Quote from: Predaker on Jul 05, 2012, 04:59:14 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jul 04, 2012, 09:24:04 PM
Great...
Now they are going to delay the game again just to add playable female characters.
Puh-leeze. Cry me a river. :P
You quite clearly are in no position to make such a statement. If they delay this again just because a load of disgruntled females are complaining on a forum, I and many others will be p*ssed. I agree that some of the ALIENS movie's iconic characters are female and that the game should have had them included from the beginning, but if they've already made their decision; it ain't worth risking another delay - especially since we won't even be able to see who we are playing as the marines are controlled from a first person persective.
Chill out. I said that because I don't think gearbox will delay the game. If they did, it won't be from adding something simple like playable female marines in multiplayer. Use your head, people! :P
Quote from: FightFinda on Jul 05, 2012, 06:54:55 AM
You quite clearly are in no position to make such a statement. If they delay this again just because a load of disgruntled females are complaining on a forum, I and many others will be p*ssed.
You quite clearly are in no position to make such a statement. I started the petition, my point is that ALIENS is seeping with tough and iconic females. Gearbox wants an authentic ALIENS experience, so do I and the 1000 others who have signed the petition.
We are not a "load of disgruntled females complaining on a forum", infact if you look at the signatures on the petition, you will find the majority are Males.
We all support Gearbox. We all do not want to see another delay. I am not asking for the game to not be released until it has females, they could just as well tell us "Hey, guess what? A:CM will not ship with playable females, but to fix this, we are releasing the option as FREE DLC in the very near future" as they could very well slip them in before release.
I am not looking to start any fights, I am just stating my opinion.
Congratulations everyone!
Thanks for getting the ball rolling, Moosh. If gearbox can't fit it in by release, it would be very cool to see this in DLC.
WAY to go guys...now because of this they will delay till the end of 2013.. >:(
Quote from: Predaker on Jul 05, 2012, 12:46:41 PM
Chill out. I said that because I don't think gearbox will delay the game. If they did, it won't be from adding something simple like playable female marines in multiplayer. Use your head, people! :P
Yeah its so simple - they just have to create new female skeleton, mocap or create from scratch fem animations, rig the female models into those skeleton and animations, remake all armors and accessories for the female models, record whole set of various female voices, "calibrate" the xenos grab system for the fem skeleton and models and other simple tasks like these.
Quote from: Voodoo Actual on Jul 05, 2012, 03:31:03 PM
Quote from: Predaker on Jul 05, 2012, 12:46:41 PM
Chill out. I said that because I don't think gearbox will delay the game. If they did, it won't be from adding something simple like playable female marines in multiplayer. Use your head, people! :P
Yeah its so simple - they just have to create new female skeleton, mocap or create from scratch fem animations, rig the female models into those skeleton and animations, remake all armors and accessories for the female models, record whole set of various female voices, "calibrate" the xenos grab system for the fem skeleton and models and other simple tasks like these.
I didn't say the process is simple. Take a look at the bigger picture. The end result is a simple change.
And add first person view for Aliens. I dont play 3rd view bullshit like dead space or other game. I want my AVP2 gameplay back !
Quote from: HorusTheFalcon on Jul 05, 2012, 05:52:47 PM
And add first person view for Aliens. I dont play 3rd view bullshit like dead space or other game. I want my AVP2 gameplay back !
Yeah...Gearbox isn't going to do that. You can complain and cry for 1st person all day long, it's just not going to happen. Back on topic, I can easily see A:CM getting delayed due to Gearbox adding in multiplayer females, but it might be worth it in the end result for them. True, if it does get delayed, fans are going to get pissed; but think about how many women they will rack in because they went so far out of their way to include females in the game. Financially, it MIGHT work out for them.
Quote from: Sinncrow on Jul 05, 2012, 06:04:36 PM
Financially, it MIGHT work out for them.
No. Another delay and another disappointment of the fans will cost 'em much, VERY much, this time.
Er, the game has been delayed enough. I don't want another one, thank you very much.
EDIT: Maybe I'm just being grumpy, I dunno.
Quote from: HorusTheFalcon on Jul 05, 2012, 05:52:47 PM
And add first person view for Aliens. I dont play 3rd view bullshit like dead space or other game. I want my AVP2 gameplay back !
Then play AvP2.
All of you people that think this game is going to face another delay for Gearbox implementing existing female character models into the customization roster... my god, dunk your heads in a bucket of ice water.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jul 05, 2012, 09:03:01 PM
All of you people that think this game is going to face another delay for Gearbox implementing existing female character models into the customization roster... my god, dunk your heads in a bucket of ice water.
Kudos!!!!
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jul 05, 2012, 09:03:01 PM
All of you people that think this game is going to face another delay for Gearbox implementing existing female character models into the customization roster... my god, dunk your heads in a bucket of ice water.
But they totally will duh ;P.
I'm surprised people are worried about it being delayed from that, at this point I would take another delay. The game doesn't look very good so far.
Thing is, it wouldn't push the date back further, for reasons Sweeper quite clearly explained. They wouldn't have to make a new skeleton or develop new character animations, because female models and animations already exist within the game.
like the idea quite abit, but knowing gearbox, they'll use it as an excuse to push the release date back further like a month or so, like making concepts of female characters to make them more "realistic" or canon to the story. If thats the case then they should release it a month or so after the release date because if they push it back once again then im out cuz they'll put so much crap into it that'll turn into a giant mess
Quote from: Voodoo Actual on Jul 05, 2012, 06:10:44 PM
Quote from: Sinncrow on Jul 05, 2012, 06:04:36 PM
Financially, it MIGHT work out for them.
No. Another delay and another disappointment of the fans will cost 'em much, VERY much, this time.
I don't know if it would cost them at all really. Alien fans are going to pick this up no matter what, and assuming the game is good, sales will pick up.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jul 05, 2012, 09:03:01 PM
All of you people that think this game is going to face another delay for Gearbox implementing existing female character models into the customization roster... my god, dunk your heads in a bucket of ice water.
Apologies, you are obviously a game designer and know how long it will take to do all the recalibrations for all aspects of the female marines ::). I am more concerned about how long it would take to implement things such as death animations, grapple animations, voice actors (if they're in MP), female-specific customisation options (if customisation is in), mocap etc. rather than the models themselves (they could easily be imported from SP campaign).
In answer to SpaceMarines point, it is quite likely a lot of the marine deaths in the campaign will be scripted, e.g. pulled through floor grates, dragged from cieling etc. so unless they have their fair share of regular 'opportunistically random' deaths with reuseable animations for the dieing females (which will already be in the minority), it's going to be mo-cap ahoy, and I honestly don't know how long that will take. You might say they could use the same animations from the males, but I don't believe it would look right considering how a male would naturally behave compared to a female and as Voodoo said, the differing skeletal structures.
You must also keep in mind that the release date was pushed back for a reason, and it is likely that they have they're own more pressing (possibly gamebreaking) issues to attend to, rather than the cosmetic inclusion of playable females. If GBX decide to implement females before release, I am positive they will delay the release further if they believe they will be 'cutting it close' in terms of the game's completion. I am concerned that in the long run, if the game is delayed again for the inclusion of playable females, it will severely impact sales - people don't like getting f*cked about (especially dedicated fans) and I worry that the sales may reflect this. I just don't think GBX will gain much more sales than they already would have without their inclusion, possibly losing more due to the delay :-[.
Poor sales means no sequel.
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jul 05, 2012, 02:15:04 PM
Quote from: FightFinda on Jul 05, 2012, 06:54:55 AM
You quite clearly are in no position to make such a statement. If they delay this again just because a load of disgruntled females are complaining on a forum, I and many others will be p*ssed.
We are not a "load of disgruntled females complaining on a forum", in fact if you look at the signatures on the petition, you will find the majority are Males.
I believe that the majority of members who have signed the petition are male. What I don't believe is that the majority of the men will skip the game if females aren't included or are particulary bothered either way, it's just courteous to sign as it's supporting other fan's beliefs. I myself was originally going to sign and I completely understand your reasoning (as I previously stressed), but after looking into it further and taking into account both sides of the story, it's in my opinion that the possible trade off might not be worth it.
Especially since the marines are controlled 1st person and the only possible thing that would give away the fact that your playing as a male would be the voices (if they're even in) and possible grunts and groans, I don't know whether you guys debating "pro-petition" are deliberately side-stepping this point but regardless, I don't think GBX have side-stepped this point and it could be one of the reasons why they have apparently decided to not bother with the hassle of making female characters playable.
Sorry for the long post and I don't wish to aggravate anyone, I just think I and the other members arguing the 'anti-petition' side of things have made some valid points that could bring a new light to the subject. It's just a friendly debate, we are all fans and want the best for the game, ALIEN series, and gamers. Just my two penneth. ;)
The petition is nearly at 1500 signatures!
Several more sites have picked it up:
http://www.vg247.com/2012/07/04/lack-of-females-in-colonial-marines-multiplayer-leads-to-petition/comment-page-2/ (http://www.vg247.com/2012/07/04/lack-of-females-in-colonial-marines-multiplayer-leads-to-petition/comment-page-2/)
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/where-are-the-females-in-aliens-colonial-marines/099053 (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/where-are-the-females-in-aliens-colonial-marines/099053)
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118287-Petition-Demands-Female-Jarheads-in-Aliens-Colonial-Marines (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118287-Petition-Demands-Female-Jarheads-in-Aliens-Colonial-Marines)
http://gamerant.com/aliens-colonial-marines-female-characters-johnj-158418/ (http://gamerant.com/aliens-colonial-marines-female-characters-johnj-158418/)
http://www.gamezone.com/products/aliens-colonial-marines/news/we-want-female-characters-in-aliens-colonial-marines-multiplayer (http://www.gamezone.com/products/aliens-colonial-marines/news/we-want-female-characters-in-aliens-colonial-marines-multiplayer)
http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/20438/aliens-colonial-marines-petition-asks-for-female-characters (http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/20438/aliens-colonial-marines-petition-asks-for-female-characters)
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/News/307616,gender-wars-no-vasquez-ripley-ferro-or-any-females-in-colonial-marines-multiplayer.aspx (http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/News/307616,gender-wars-no-vasquez-ripley-ferro-or-any-females-in-colonial-marines-multiplayer.aspx)
Quote from: FightFinda on Jul 05, 2012, 10:21:22 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jul 05, 2012, 09:03:01 PM
All of you people that think this game is going to face another delay for Gearbox implementing existing female character models into the customization roster... my god, dunk your heads in a bucket of ice water.
Apologies, you are obviously a game designer and know how long it will take to do all the recalibrations for all aspects of the female marines ::). I am more concerned about how long it would take to implement things such as death animations, grapple animations, voice actors (if they're in MP), female-specific customisation options (if customisation is in), mocap etc. rather than the models themselves (they could easily be imported from SP campaign).
In answer to SpaceMarines point, it is quite likely a lot of the marine deaths in the campaign will be scripted, e.g. pulled through floor grates, dragged from cieling etc. so unless they have their fair share of regular 'opportunistically random' deaths with reuseable animations for the dieing females (which will already be in the minority), it's going to be mo-cap ahoy, and I honestly don't know how long that will take. You might say they could use the same animations from the males, but I don't believe it would look right considering how a male would naturally behave compared to a female and as Voodoo said, the differing skeletal structures.
You must also keep in mind that the release date was pushed back for a reason, and it is likely that they have they're own more pressing (possibly gamebreaking) issues to attend to, rather than the cosmetic inclusion of playable females. If GBX decide to implement females before release, I am positive they will delay the release further if they believe they will be 'cutting it close' in terms of the game's completion. I am concerned that in the long run, if the game is delayed again for the inclusion of playable females, it will severely impact sales - people don't like getting f*cked about (especially dedicated fans) and I worry that the sales may reflect this. I just don't think GBX will gain much more sales than they already would have without their inclusion, possibly losing more due to the delay :-[.
Poor sales means no sequel.
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jul 05, 2012, 02:15:04 PM
Quote from: FightFinda on Jul 05, 2012, 06:54:55 AM
You quite clearly are in no position to make such a statement. If they delay this again just because a load of disgruntled females are complaining on a forum, I and many others will be p*ssed.
We are not a "load of disgruntled females complaining on a forum", in fact if you look at the signatures on the petition, you will find the majority are Males.
I believe that the majority of members who have signed the petition are male. What I don't believe is that the majority of the men will skip the game if females aren't included or are particulary bothered either way, it's just courteous to sign as it's supporting other fan's beliefs. I myself was originally going to sign and I completely understand your reasoning (as I previously stressed), but after looking into it further and taking into account both sides of the story, it's in my opinion that the possible trade off might not be worth it.
Especially since the marines are controlled 1st person and the only possible thing that would give away the fact that your playing as a male would be the voices (if they're even in) and possible grunts and groans, I don't know whether you guys debating "pro-petition" are deliberately side-stepping this point but regardless, I don't think GBX have side-stepped this point and it could be one of the reasons why they have apparently decided to not bother with the hassle of making female characters playable.
Sorry for the long post and I don't wish to aggravate anyone, I just think I and the other members arguing the 'anti-petition' side of things have made some valid points that could bring a new light to the subject. It's just a friendly debate, we are all fans and want the best for the game, ALIEN series, and gamers. Just my two penneth. ;)
You make a good and well thought out argument man.
That said I am going to respectfully disagree. Female gamers make up about 40% of the gaming population. What kind of games they tend to gravitate to, I am not sure, but if any hardcore game can bring in a large number of new female fans, Aliens can. This can also be a big PR opportunity for Gearbox if they do this, and that may help them increase profits with future games as well. Aside from Perfect Dark and L4D2, not many FPS have female options. I think Gears of War 3 had one, but I have never played it beyond the first game.
You are absolutely right about the extra work that will be required for this to happen. I am not sure exactly how much is needed though (I have no experience with making games) since the SP 3rd person models/skeleton/first person female character views and animations already exist.
Will sign this, and also share it on my avp facebook page, it's got a few thousand likes so should help get some more signs! Would be really cool if gearbox do this.
https://www.facebook.com/avpdotnet (https://www.facebook.com/avpdotnet)
Although I agree that Females should be playable in multiplayer (however not at the expense of another bloody delay) but I don't believe for a second adding female models to multiplayer will increase sales or profits, that's just absurd. People, regardless of gender, will buy this because they are fans of alien and/or action games, not because they can play as Vasquez.
Also, am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of customisable character models in multiplayer at all?
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 05, 2012, 09:32:40 PM
Thing is, it wouldn't push the date back further, for reasons Sweeper quite clearly explained. They wouldn't have to make a new skeleton or develop new character animations, because female models and animations already exist within the game.
Oh well, then, there you go. :p I stand corrected.
Uhhh, no let's not delay this game any longer than it already has been. Sorry females better luck next time but what you are asking for is completely UNREASONABLE and is gonna cost money to do, not to mention MORE TIME. Just be happy with what it will have and move on. Its a man's world lol ;D
There's more than enough time to implement something like this without delaying.
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Jul 05, 2012, 06:24:00 PM
Er, the game has been delayed enough. I don't want another one, thank you very much.
EDIT: Maybe I'm just being grumpy, I dunno.
No, this is bull. Release the game on its scheduled time. Make female char DLC. I don't really see how it matters since you don't see the char anyways.
I dont understand all this bitching round here about a delay..... its not like you all dont have anything better to do with your time while you wait.....
Bottom line this game needs the most immersive experience possible... Games like Halo, COD, BF3 all allow some degree of customization and individualization allowing gamers to make themselves unique. Even though Halo is the only one with female models, it still stands to reason that newer games need to reach for greater flexibility and customization for the players playing their games. If that means a slight delay- well too f**king bad.
Get a job and have a family, you might actually appreciate all the free time you had before. ;D
Im not that much of a tech guy, and correct me if im wrong, but couldn't they just use Bella's Skeleton for the multiplayer?
Quote from: Xenoligiost on Jul 06, 2012, 01:31:52 AM
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Jul 05, 2012, 06:24:00 PM
Er, the game has been delayed enough. I don't want another one, thank you very much.
EDIT: Maybe I'm just being grumpy, I dunno.
No, this is bull. Release the game on its scheduled time. Make female char DLC. I don't really see how it matters since you don't see the char anyways.
Why have any sort of customization at all if you can't "see yourself?" You can see everyone else, and everyone else can see you. This is about expression, not narcissism.
This petition is
not asking gearbox to delay the game. The point is that the fans have a voice, and we are speaking now. Let's make a difference!
Quote from: FightFinda on Jul 05, 2012, 10:21:22 PM
you are obviously a game designer and know how long it will take to do all the recalibrations for all aspects of the female marines ::). I am more concerned about how long it would take to implement things such as death animations, grapple animations, voice actors (if they're in MP), female-specific customisation options (if customisation is in), mocap etc. rather than the models themselves (they could easily be imported from SP campaign).
Don't steal my words! I said it before you, go make your own argument!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ->
Quote from: Voodoo Actual on Jul 05, 2012, 03:31:03 PM
Yeah its so simple - they just have to create new female skeleton, mocap or create from scratch fem animations, rig the female models into those skeleton and animations, remake all armors and accessories for the female models, record whole set of various female voices, "calibrate" the xenos grab system for the fem skeleton and models and other simple tasks like these.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 05, 2012, 08:29:07 PM
Then play AvP2.
Well he doesn't have a big choice really so we can assume that he still play AvP 2 ;D
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 05, 2012, 09:32:40 PM
They wouldn't have to make a new skeleton or develop new character animations, because female models and animations already exist within the game.
If thats the case don't you think the game would already include playable females?
There's women in the campaign, so they must have models and animations already programmed in.
As to why they aren't in multiplayer... I haven't the faintest idea.
We will never know but it happened with AvP 2010 so its possible to happen again with ACM.
Quote from: Xenoligiost on Jul 06, 2012, 01:31:52 AM
No, this is bull. Release the game on its scheduled time. Make female char DLC. I don't really see how it matters since you don't see the char anyways.
If worst comes to worse I would rather have female characters as a free patch rather than paid DLC.
The stupid shit we get up in arms about. Make all the characters females, I don't care. The most important thing is the gameplay is solid, the story is solid, and the atmosphere is creepy and alluring. Female characters shouldn't matter, nor should males. Don't delay this game again to add character models.
Quote from: Enenra on Jul 06, 2012, 11:33:37 AM
The stupid shit we get up in arms about. Make all the characters females, I don't care. The most important thing is the gameplay is solid, the story is solid, and the atmosphere is creepy and alluring. Female characters shouldn't matter, nor should males. Don't delay this game again to add character models.
No one is suggesting they delay the game to add character models. At least read the thread first if you are going to post a dissent.
Quote from: Enenra on Jul 06, 2012, 11:33:37 AM
The stupid shit we get up in arms about. Make all the characters females, I don't care. The most important thing is the gameplay is solid, the story is solid, and the atmosphere is creepy and alluring. Female characters shouldn't matter, nor should males. Don't delay this game again to add character models.
It's been mentioned many times now that adding female players won't delay the game. I don't see why everyone keeps saying it though.
It's not been mentioned by GBX ::)
Quote from: Voodoo Actual on Jul 06, 2012, 05:11:14 PM
It's not been mentioned by GBX ::)
We don't need gearbox to tell us something that is common sense.
Quote from: Predaker on Jul 06, 2012, 12:12:32 PM
Quote from: Enenra on Jul 06, 2012, 11:33:37 AM
The stupid shit we get up in arms about. Make all the characters females, I don't care. The most important thing is the gameplay is solid, the story is solid, and the atmosphere is creepy and alluring. Female characters shouldn't matter, nor should males. Don't delay this game again to add character models.
No one is suggesting they delay the game to add character models. At least read the thread first if you are going to post a dissent.
My dissent was as much a response to the OP as the posts following. The point still stands; my character's hairstyle should be far less important than the actual game's quality.
Quote from: Predaker on Jul 06, 2012, 06:19:47 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Actual on Jul 06, 2012, 05:11:14 PM
It's not been mentioned by GBX ::)
We don't need gearbox to tell us something that is common sense.
Its not.
Quote from: Voodoo ActualDon't steal my words! I said it before you, go make your own argument!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stealing your words? Seriously? Not only is your remark illogical considering I am backing up your side of the debate and reasserting the validity of the points you made, but it is also both childish and unfounded considering I actually made reference to you later on regarding the skeletal structures. No I did not refer to you on that point (mainly because I had already started typing and couldn't remember who it was that said it) but the fact you even claimed that I was 'stealing your words' and needed to 'make my own argument' shows that you never actually read beyond the first paragraph as I clearly made my own points (e.g. the fact the marines are viewed in first person, I don't believe including females will have a significant sale increase, and my point on GBX having their own more pressing issues) and explained that my points were formed based on both the opinions of myself and others.
I think you should take account for others who are openly not as individualistic as yourself rather than just snapping at them; that's if you were serious ::) - Perhaps you should steal yourself some maturity ;).
Quote from: Voodoo Actual on Jun 08, 2012, 06:25:02 AM
I am kinda glad there are no playable female marines. Its pissing me off to know I am in squad of 6-7 other marines which are female models but actually in the real life they are male rofl. Its weird you know ;D Its confusing to see a female model but when that player use his mic and you hear male voice out of female mouth.
I don't see how that's confusing
He'd hate to play Reach with me.
Quote from: Enenra on Jul 06, 2012, 06:35:43 PM
Quote from: Predaker on Jul 06, 2012, 12:12:32 PM
Quote from: Enenra on Jul 06, 2012, 11:33:37 AM
The stupid shit we get up in arms about. Make all the characters females, I don't care. The most important thing is the gameplay is solid, the story is solid, and the atmosphere is creepy and alluring. Female characters shouldn't matter, nor should males. Don't delay this game again to add character models.
No one is suggesting they delay the game to add character models. At least read the thread first if you are going to post a dissent.
My dissent was as much a response to the OP as the posts following. The point still stands; my character's hairstyle should be far less important than the actual game's quality.
That doesn't address the original post or anything in this thread, but thanks for trying. :P
Quote from: Deathbearer on Jul 06, 2012, 08:30:44 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Actual on Jun 08, 2012, 06:25:02 AM
I am kinda glad there are no playable female marines. Its pissing me off to know I am in squad of 6-7 other marines which are female models but actually in the real life they are male rofl. Its weird you know ;D Its confusing to see a female model but when that player use his mic and you hear male voice out of female mouth.
I don't see how that's confusing
Same here. I fail to see how that confuses anyone. Unless you're trying to hit on them.
Quote from: Predaker on Jul 06, 2012, 11:11:21 PM
That doesn't address the original post or anything in this thread, but thanks for trying. :P
What are you getting at? A petition for females in a video game shouldn't matter. It is about as relevant as armor in Halo, or weapon skins in CoD. I don't see why it matters, just make a good game first and foremost.
Please though, you obviously would like to say something, let me know what you are wanting me to answer. You and I don't seem to be talking about the same thing.
Quote from: Deathbearer on Jul 06, 2012, 08:30:44 PM
I don't see how that's confusing
Imagine that you wake up in the dark and hear some sexy lady talking to you. You get instant boner and such and 5 sec later the lights go on and you see a 40yo man. You will get pissed aren't you? ;D
Quote from: Voodoo Actual on Jul 07, 2012, 05:29:13 AM
Quote from: Deathbearer on Jul 06, 2012, 08:30:44 PM
I don't see how that's confusing
Imagine that you wake up in the dark and hear some sexy lady talking to you. You get instant boner and such and 5 sec later the lights go on and you see a 40yo man. You will get pissed aren't you? ;D
Yeah... umm... I'm going to play this game where we shoot aliens... yeah........
Quote from: Voodoo Actual on Jul 07, 2012, 05:29:13 AM
Quote from: Deathbearer on Jul 06, 2012, 08:30:44 PM
I don't see how that's confusing
Imagine that you wake up in the dark and hear some sexy lady talking to you. You get instant boner and such and 5 sec later the lights go on and you see a 40yo man. You will get pissed aren't you? ;D
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi124.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp30%2FShadowPred%2FRandom%2Fscullywhite-1.jpg&hash=33fbe78f2fd965a1d316a7241ae03b261147e3f0)
Woo! At 2500 signatures!
Wow, this thing is really picking up.
Quote from: shadowedge on Jul 07, 2012, 11:21:24 AM
Woo! At 2500 signatures!
Holy shit.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi124.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fp30%2FShadowPred%2Ftumblr_m6ndftFwFz1r933i7o1_r1_500.gif&hash=f24790a6713a5a8a7004fac2747dfd91da50b89a)
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 07, 2012, 07:05:51 PM
Quote from: shadowedge on Jul 07, 2012, 11:21:24 AM
Woo! At 2500 signatures!
Holy shit.
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/ShadowPred/tumblr_m6ndftFwFz1r933i7o1_r1_500.gif
f**k me have you ever tried viewing the clip in your sig on a mobile, it goes into hyperspeed and reenacts the fecking exorcist! :o
I has no clip in my sig brutha. But of course you mean the gif that I posted. No I have not tried it...but I have seen gifs of mine before that ran on normal suddenly go super fast...so I know what you mean.
http://geektyrant.com/news/2012/7/7/aliens-colonial-marines-female-character-petition-gains-stea.html (http://geektyrant.com/news/2012/7/7/aliens-colonial-marines-female-character-petition-gains-stea.html)
Over 3000 now.
Absolutely fantastic, hopefully Gearbox sees this somehow.
It might brighten up their day, seeing 3000 people who'll not only buy the game but also care enough about it to ask for this
Quote from: Cap. Fitzgerald on Jul 08, 2012, 09:22:50 PM
Absolutely fantastic, hopefully Gearbox sees this somehow.
It might brighten up their day, seeing 3000 people who'll not only buy the game but also care enough about it to ask for this
I hope so too!
Quote from: Cap. Fitzgerald on Jul 08, 2012, 09:22:50 PM
Absolutely fantastic, hopefully Gearbox sees this somehow.
It might brighten up their day, seeing 3000 people who'll not only buy the game but also care enough about it to ask for this
As stated before, multiple times, I fully support Gearbox and SEGA! :)
Go me! I'm getting me that Collectors Edition! <3
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi282.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fkk254%2FMoosh89%2FIMG_1275.jpg&hash=30634b74fc63ad9695f54379d9f116c4367dd62d)
Also, 3,257 signatures!
Congratulations and thank you friends!
Aliens: Colonial Marines Writer Responds To Desires For A Female Character
http://loudmouthedgamers.com/blog/2012/07/10/aliens-colonial-marines-writer-responds-to-desires-for-a-female-character/ (http://loudmouthedgamers.com/blog/2012/07/10/aliens-colonial-marines-writer-responds-to-desires-for-a-female-character/)
Thanks for posting Stringer! :)
Still, doesn't answer about the Multiplayer. We know there are females in the Singleplayer (Non-playable) so the females ARE represented in the Singleplayer, but why won't they say about the Multiplayer???
I have a small glimmer of hope that "we will be happy" means they are in for multiplayer, but really devs... stop beating around the bush! hahaha
So the heart of the story is a character named Bella? Thats cool.
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jul 10, 2012, 04:23:04 AM
Quote from: Cap. Fitzgerald on Jul 08, 2012, 09:22:50 PM
Absolutely fantastic, hopefully Gearbox sees this somehow.
It might brighten up their day, seeing 3000 people who'll not only buy the game but also care enough about it to ask for this
As stated before, multiple times, I fully support Gearbox and SEGA! :)
Go me! I'm getting me that Collectors Edition! <3
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi282.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fkk254%2FMoosh89%2FIMG_1275.jpg&hash=30634b74fc63ad9695f54379d9f116c4367dd62d)
Also, 3,257 signatures!
Congratulations and thank you friends!
Ps3 version :8 I already paid off my copy. Now the waiting begins. At least we know theres a female character in single player now all the need is to have them in co-op and multiplayer :)
I don't think we'll get them in co-op, it'll just be two Frosts running around. Which is generally fine.
Multiplayer is where they need to be
Quote from: Cap. Fitzgerald on Jul 11, 2012, 08:34:57 PM
I don't think we'll get them in co-op, it'll just be two Frosts running around. Which is generally fine.
Multiplayer is where they need to be
I would really rather not have the game turn into Attack of the Clones. I hope that physical changes to my MP character (skin color, facial features, gender(?) carry over the coop campaign.
The "clone" thing is pretty common, and the reason I say they'll probably use it is because it's a little less taxing.
Unless they do it like in Halo 3 and totally implement 4 player co-op into the story. I loved how what characters would say changed if all 4 were around, and how they actually made it so player 3 and 4 were original characters
3,434 signatures!
No replies from the last email
I don't think we will see any clones running around, except for the movie skins :)
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jul 12, 2012, 05:32:27 PM
3,434 signatures!
No replies from the last email
I don't think we will see any clones running around, except for the movie skins :)
I predict each MP game is going to be 30% Hudsons, 40% Hicks, and 30% other.
I've been playing Infestation, made by the same people, and i dont think we should be asking to have more women in this game because the female characters in Infestation are pretty bad. Outside of the tough Vasquez chick there's the goth chick that ran away from home at 14 with the nickname cutter, one that is just a super model with armor on, one that is texting to her buddies in middle of this mission talking in text speak. The guys a pretty generic as well but a gun nut and a cowboy are ok generic characters compared to what the women have.
Ya, I was like "WTF????" when playing Infestation, but it wasn't totally made by Gearbox, thank goodness!
Crappy characters and Kenner-like Gorilla Aliens...
Spoiler
also weird Jockey-Alien
... No thank you!!!
I'm sure Gearbox can deliver, if SEGA allows them to
Hey Aliens Infestation was a great game! But yes it was made to be more like the comics and delt with a totally different writing team.
Haha, I'm not saying it was a terrible game, Just that I never took it "seriously", for a "serious" Aliens game, I expect more.
Infestation is my second favourite DS game, behind Gearbox's Brothers in Arms DS :)
Anyway, to avoid derailing, Someone said someone said (haha) Sega was waiting for the dust to settle to respond? anyone else hear this?
Quote from: ikarop on Jul 16, 2012, 02:12:15 PM
http://thestranded.wordpress.com/2012/07/15/aliens-colonial-marines-sdcc-2012-impressions-16/ (http://thestranded.wordpress.com/2012/07/15/aliens-colonial-marines-sdcc-2012-impressions-16/)
And
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC7kyX4K3W4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC7kyX4K3W4#ws)
From the comic-con thread. I am glad we got some specific answers from them as to why they will not include playable females.
Quote from: Predaker on Jul 16, 2012, 04:05:34 PM
Quote from: ikarop on Jul 16, 2012, 02:12:15 PM
http://thestranded.wordpress.com/2012/07/15/aliens-colonial-marines-sdcc-2012-impressions-16/ (http://thestranded.wordpress.com/2012/07/15/aliens-colonial-marines-sdcc-2012-impressions-16/)
And
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC7kyX4K3W4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC7kyX4K3W4#ws)
From the comic-con thread. I am glad we got some specific answers from them as to why they will not include playable females.
So they are aware of the petition, but said that they will not have females in MP due to the skeletal programming and animation differences and that time would be better spent polishing gameplay and features.
I have no experience with making video games and am not sure how much work would be needed to make female characters.
I am disappointed with the result of this answer but I respect that they have the courage to directly answer the question and state why.
Maybe after a while we can get female marines as DLC.
As I said on the official forums,
Very disappointed
We can now hope for a DLC patch that adds them in
This should have been included from the start, this is rediculous
Glad they finally answered though, just wasn't expecting an excuse that was debunked by one of their own devs as being a "cop-out"
Pretty sure once the game comes out and we can get to the assets the female skeleton is just going to be the same male skeleton but shrunk down a bit.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jul 17, 2012, 02:47:46 AM
Pretty sure once the game comes out and we can get to the assets the female skeleton is just going to be the same male skeleton but shrunk down a bit.
I am just curious, is it really that hard or time consuming to make a new skeleton? Females are like what , 2-3 inches shorter? That doesn't seem like much of a difference. Also why not just use the single player female skeletons?
Vasquez and Ripley were pretty darn big, same as the guys. Heck Ripley is 6 foot tall! I am only 5 foot 8.
It's not that hard. They just don't want to do it.
Why is it that simple modders can easily change something like this when given the tools, yet a professional development team can't? It's because they don't care to do it.
Quote from: shadowedge on Jul 17, 2012, 09:15:32 AMI am just curious, is it really that hard or time consuming to make a new skeleton? Females are like what , 2-3 inches shorter? That doesn't seem like much of a difference. Also why not just use the single player female skeletons?
Yes/No...
Taking the standard Male skeleton they are using in the multiplayer and binding it to the smaller and differently proportioned Female models where it simply don't fit and forcing it in there anyway, somehow without deforming anything (impossible), yea.. Making that impossibility happen could be difficult and timeconsuming... or simply impossible...
Taking the properly fitting female skeleton and binding it to the female models is propably a lot easier and faster, but because that skeleton is differently sized/shaped, using the existing animations made for the male models would likely be impossible... And making hundreds or thousands or ?? I don't know how many, but MANY, whole new animations for those models would be timeconsuming...
A human female is not an alien creature, shrinking down the male skeleton should not be that much of a problem. And with military gear on the women end up looking like men anyway.
Look at Star Wars the Old Republic MMO, that game uses one skeleton for ALL humanoid species. All they do is blow them up or down.
I was thinking something similar in regards to Jedi Academy, which did have customisable different alien species - male and female.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jul 18, 2012, 06:29:17 AM
A human female is not an alien creature, shrinking down the male skeleton should not be that much of a problem. And with military gear on the women end up looking like men anyway.
Perhaps... I don't know how this game is made, whats possible and whas not... But there are differences in the body proportions between sexes and however small they maybe, the differences would multiply as they propagate through the skeleton hierarchy.. And while human female may not be an alien creature, the deformed end result of trying to use male skeleton/anims with female model could look rather alien... unless the system is build to accomodate such differences from ground up -->
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jul 18, 2012, 06:29:17 AM
Look at Star Wars the Old Republic MMO, that game uses one skeleton for ALL humanoid species. All they do is blow them up or down.
--> But this game most likely isn't made with such easy customization in mind...
So the are saying it is due to the male frame why they is no plans for a playable female.... Well just make a very butch female then.
Here is a pic for comparison.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fledaean.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F05%2Fledaean-gaming-ACM6.jpg&hash=2936e5be498d3c512b0fbec7a0eae5052a390caf)
Quote from: shadowedge on Jul 17, 2012, 09:15:32 AM
I am just curious, is it really that hard or time consuming to make a new skeleton? Females are like what , 2-3 inches shorter?
It's not just that. They have to make new hit boxes for that skeleton, to differ all the customization items, to rig the various alien grabs for that skeleton, recap new animations for it and other things that I am too lazy to write down. But its not that simple.
From Chemical Alia, a GBX Environmental Artist who made kick ass females for TF2. She said this before that wacky statement from GBX.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.379404-Aliens-Colonial-Marines-playable-female-marine-petition?page=1 (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.379404-Aliens-Colonial-Marines-playable-female-marine-petition?page=1)
QuoteWomen soldiers don't necessarily need to look or act much different, especially in a setting like Aliens where they all act like stereotypical marines anyway
...
QuoteThe hitbox excuse is usually a gigantic cop-out when you hear an artist use it. It's completely possible to design female characters that fit default male hitboxes if you plan their appearance accordingly, provided you're not trying to stretch a skinny 15-year-old in a miniskirt into them after the fact. And a setting like Aliens would be an ideal one for female characters to blend in nicely. Not sure how that would be shoving anything in the player's face.
(Note, I'm speaking hypothetically, not stating anything about Colonial Marines itself or what's actually in the game.)
I think she knows what she is talking about... :)
You are most likely correct, I think the hit box issue "could" create balance issues though.
I havent played gears 3 but is there a problem with females being harder to hit due to smaller frames and hit boxes? If thats the case then theoretically in this game the female models would have an advantage over male models - assuming theres a marine vs marine mode, not sure if the alien player would have any trouble.
It's not so much a problem in being able to hit the female characters in Gears 3, it's just that they are smaller and can, with the right tactics, get away easier than a male, or of they're sniping and you try to take them out at long range, then it does become a problem to hit them.
I can see a lot of problems arising with the aliens tails missing them, due to the hit boxes being skinnier but I don't think it would cause all too many problems.
The problem with gears is that the men in that game all looks like the Steelers Defensive line. This problem should not exist in this game, and im pretty sure it doesnt in any other game where women are included in MP.
Quote from: Kimo on Jul 18, 2012, 12:13:41 PM
So the are saying it is due to the male frame why they is no plans for a playable female.... Well just make a very butch female then.
Nah... They're trying to stick as close to the film as possible - and the film had no butch females at all.
:laugh:
I was thinking on the way home today, I should push this again, it is losing steam right now.
I also want to push the Acid Damage petition as well.
I think I will write up an "update" letter to all the gaming sites that covered this, including the last letter we sent to Gearbox/SEGA, the excerpt from that article with the "reason" they are not included (as well as the reason for no acid damage in SP) and ask for support again for both petitions, the female petition, because it can be included later as a DLC patch, and the acid petition, because it needs to be in BEFORE release.
I'm off to start again, I'll post back with whatever I come up with and put it up for review
The issue with Gears of War is that the female soldier is like 5 foot 5 and the men are the Incredible Hulk. Seriously they are monsterous freaks of steroid nature. It is like trying to shoot a semi truck vs a human. One is way easier.
OK, Here is the letter I came up with, it is aimed at the gaming sites that helped us earlier this month:
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ALIENS: Colonial Marines [Multiplatform]
Hello again!
This is Melissa K, and I am writing to thank you for covering the playable females for multiplayer petition earlier this month.
However I am asking for your help once again.
We sent a letter to Gearbox Software and SEGA on July 9th. Here is what the letter said:
Dear Gearbox Software and SEGA,
We are writing to you regarding Playable Females in ALIENS: Colonial Marines Multiplayer/Co-Op.
While we fully support you and A:CM, and are excitedly awaiting it's release on February 12, 2013 we request the inclusion of a customizable female akin to the male in the Multiplayer/Co-Op.
We have started an online petition to show our passion in numbers and we have exceeded 3000 signatures. Many petition signers have expressed their interest in a Playable Vasquez multiplayer skin, voiced by Jenette Goldstein as well. We feel it would be fair to also include her as paid DLC after the game releases.
As for the customizable female. We would be thrilled to see this happen before release, but we do realise good things come in time, and would also welcome this fix as FREE DLC offered within a reasonable timeframe after A:CM releases.
We would like to also request an official public statement regarding this issue.
LINK TO PETITION: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/i...iens-colonial/ (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/i...iens-colonial/)
Thank you!
The ALIENS community
We never received any public statement or a reply to the email. Instead, we got this answer back from a Comic-Con article, the writer asked about playable females and this is what the Gearbox representative had to say:
Gearbox confirmed that there will not be female MP characters due to the skeletal programming and animations that would have to be reprogrammed because they are simply not skin meshes. Although there are strong female characters represented in the campaign, they would not be making their way into the MP gameplay. I cited the difficulties that Epic's Gears of War 3 had with the introduction of female MP characters due to the smaller hit boxes. Gearbox was well aware of the on-going petition that's been circulating the Web, but they said that the memory requirements and additional work that would have to be employed would better be spent on polishing the gameplay and features. In a sense, it is what it is.
LINK TO ARTICLE: http://thestranded.wordpress.com/201...mpressions-16/ (http://thestranded.wordpress.com/201...mpressions-16/)
Many of us have discussed this on the official forums and we believe it is possible to incorporate after the game releases like we asked in the last letter we sent to them. There needs to be playable females in the multiplayer for it to be a "true ALIENS sequel". I don't believe we are out of order when asking for this as a DLC patch after the game releases.
Upon reading the above mentioned article, we made another startling discovery. There will be no acid blood damage in the single player game. Their reason for this is as follows:
Another aspect that I got them to confirm was that the alien's acidic blood would indeed affect the marines. There are cringe animations when they come in contact with the blood and damage would result from it. However, the acidic blood would not affect players in the campaign because it proved too frustrating and took a lot of the 'fun factor' from the game when "seven dead aliens would bottleneck players & kill them."
This has shocked and bewildered the communities following this game. How can there be an ALIENS game with no acid damage??? It was never a problem in past ALIENS games, including the latest Nintendo DS offering "ALIENS: Infestation". It also has it's own petition now(I do not take credit for this one ), which you can find here:
LINK TO ACID DAMAGE PETITION: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/m...ion-in-aliens/ (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/m...ion-in-aliens/)
We are asking for your assistance once again in spreading the word about these petitions so Gearbox and SEGA will correct these before and after release.
Thank you once again
- Melissa K.
- The undersigned petition supporters.
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Please give me your constructive feedback, I want to send this as soon as possible. I will also add it to the OP
While I admire your efforts and obvious passion - I think you're wasting your time unfortunately.
haha, thanks, lucky for me, I have time to spend, I wouldn't call it "wasting", it is something that needs to be done to have a true sequel like we've all been waiting for all these years
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jul 19, 2012, 01:38:38 AM
haha, thanks, lucky for me, I have time to spend, I wouldn't call it "wasting", it is something that needs to be done to have a true sequel like we've all been waiting for all these years
Keep up the good work. Your voice is being heard.
Is it being heard by anyone with any power to do anything though?
Quoteit is something that needs to be done to have a true sequel like we've all been waiting for all these years
Alien3 has mostly done that job for 20 years.
Quote from: SM on Jul 19, 2012, 01:46:40 AM
Alien3 has mostly done that job for 20 years.
Haha, nice one!
Gearbox and SEGA will definitely hear it when they see the wrath of the internet and watch their preorders drop when people learn there is no ACID DAMAGE in the single player
NOTE: I'm not talking about me, I'm just guessing the reaction this will get. I'm still preordering, as well as getting my head checked cause I don't understand why I'm gonna spend over $100 on this now
Well technically your voice has been heard, in the very same article where it's said they took acid damage out of campaign the guy said he was aware of the petition going around, and then promptly said it wasnt happening.
Point is though, he was aware of it, this could work because your not adding anything now. Because there's acid blood in MP that means its in the game, all they had to do to take it out of campaign was change the line of code that determines its damage to 0. So now they just change it back
OK, I am literally jumping out of my chair with excitement!!!
You won't believe this, but I just got the contact info for Jenette and Cynthia's agents, thanks to a very nice person over at ALIENS LEGACY!
I am gonna try write a nice letter to both agents asking if they will ask Jenette and Cynthia for their thoughts and or support
:) :laugh: ;D :D 8)
Nice one.
How is this?
Dear Mr. Maki & Mr. Clark,
RE: Cynthia Dale Scott & Jenette Goldstein.
My name is Melissa K. and I along with many others are excitedly awaiting the release of GEARBOX SOFTWARE and SEGAs upcoming "ALIENS: Colonial Marines" video game. A game which according to Gearbox, SEGA and FOX is a "true sequel" to the 1986 blockbuster film "ALIENS" in which Ms. Scott and Ms. Goldstein starred in, and undoubtedly helped in it's success. This game is receiving "Canon" status as well.
Over the last few months we have learned that there will be No Playable Females in the Multiplayer/Co-op, where you can customize and upgrade your own marine. The Single player portion of the game has you play as a male lead, which is alright by us, but the fact there is no playable females in the multiplayer/co-op is very disappointing.
We have politely emailed the developers and publisher several times and have never received a reply, so I started a petition online, and sent it to major gaming/scifi websites who all took the story and ran with it. The petition has received over 3,500 signatures.
LINK TO PETITION SIGNATURES: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/signatures (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/signatures)
We finally got an answer in the form of comments made by a developer at the San Diego Comic-Con recently. These were not directly made to the fans on the official forums, but rather a blogger who did an impressions article.
LINK TO ARTICLE: http://thestranded.wordpress.com/2012/07/15/aliens-colonial-marines-sdcc-2012-impressions-16/ (http://thestranded.wordpress.com/2012/07/15/aliens-colonial-marines-sdcc-2012-impressions-16/)
"Gearbox confirmed that there will not be female MP characters due to the skeletal programming and animations that would have to be reprogrammed because they are simply not skin meshes. Although there are strong female characters represented in the campaign, they would not be making their way into the MP gameplay. I cited the difficulties that Epic's Gears of War 3 had with the introduction of female MP characters due to the smaller hit boxes. Gearbox was well aware of the on-going petition that's been circulating the Web, but they said that the memory requirements and additional work that would have to be employed would better be spent on polishing the gameplay and features. In a sense, it is what it is."
We respect their answer however, we believe it is still possible, even one of the developers had this to say on a message board about this off the record:
LINK TO MESSAGE BOARD: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.379404-Aliens-Colonial-Marines-playable-female-marine-petition?page=2#14876024 (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.379404-Aliens-Colonial-Marines-playable-female-marine-petition?page=2#14876024)
Chemical Alia, Gearbox Environmental Artist:
"Women soldiers don't necessarily need to look or act much different, especially in a setting like Aliens where they all act like stereotypical marines anyway"
...
"The hitbox excuse is usually a gigantic cop-out when you hear an artist use it. It's completely possible to design female characters that fit default male hitboxes if you plan their appearance accordingly, provided you're not trying to stretch a skinny 15-year-old in a miniskirt into them after the fact. And a setting like Aliens would be an ideal one for female characters to blend in nicely. Not sure how that would be shoving anything in the player's face.
(Note, I'm speaking hypothetically, not stating anything about Colonial Marines itself or what's actually in the game.)"
"Chemical Alia" is known for creating popular female models for another video game, Team Fortress 2.
Their reasonings are very puzzling and upsetting to fans who want an authentic ALIENS experience with female marines like Vasquez, Dietrich and Ferro. We feel that it should be included as a Downloadable Content Patch, to be released after the game releases on February 12, 2013. We believe ALIENS Colonial Marines can be a flagship for more game developers to start including females in their games, as there are many female gamers out there!
Many petition signers have expressed their interest in a Vasquez skin for the multiplayer, considering GEARBOX has included skins for Apone, Drake, Hudson and Hicks for those who preorder the game. Apone and Drake are voiced by Al Matthews and Mark Rolston. Also returning are Lance Henriksen and William Hope.
I would like to ask you if you could approach Ms. Goldstein and Ms. Scott for their opinions and or support for this. May I also suggest you get in contact with GEARBOX SOFTWARE president Randy Pitchford and Gearbox Producer Brian Burleson for possible involvement of Ms. Goldstein and Ms. Scott for the Multiplayer aspect of the game?. And I also ask if you could pass this on to Colette Hiller's agent as well?, as I do not have their contact information.
GEARBOX SOFTWARE
101 E Park Blvd # 1200 Plano, TX 75074, United States
(972) 312-8202
What better way to achieve this then to ask the iconic Female Colonial Marines themselves?
Thank you for your time!
- Melissa K.
- The undersigned petition supporters
Bit too long I think, and needs to be worded in a non-gaming language. They're actors/ agents.
Really needs to be cut right back to bare bones and your core message needs to be 'Vasquez and Deitrich were part of an iconic ensemble and we feel they should be included in the same way that Apone, Hicks, Hudson and Drake are'.
They don't need every piece of corresponsdence, just the fact the Gearbox have been asked, and they've said no, but we - the undersigned - feel this needs to be changed.
Something like that.
If it's too long it'll go straight into Deleted Items.
Awesome, Thanks SM, I tend to be over-informative and long winded sometimes haha, so that is why I ask, I will continue to work on it :)
How is this?
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Dear Mr. Maki & Mr. Clark,
RE: Cynthia Dale Scott & Jenette Goldstein.
My name is Melissa K. and I along with many others are excitedly awaiting the release of GEARBOX SOFTWARE and SEGAs upcoming "ALIENS: Colonial Marines" video game. A game which according to Gearbox, SEGA and FOX is a "true sequel" to the 1986 blockbuster film "ALIENS" in which Ms. Scott and Ms. Goldstein starred in, and undoubtedly helped in it's success. This game is receiving "Canon" status as well.
Over the last few months we have learned that there will be No Playable Females in the Multiplayer/Co-op, where you can customize and upgrade your own marine. The Single player portion of the game has you play as a male lead, which is alright by us, but the fact there is no playable females in the multiplayer/co-op is very disappointing.
We have politely emailed the developers and publisher several times and have never received a reply, so I started a petition online, and sent it to major gaming/scifi websites who all took the story and ran with it. The petition has received over 3,500 signatures.
LINK TO PETITION: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/ (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/)
Many petition signers have expressed their interest in a Vasquez character model for the multiplayer, considering GEARBOX has included character models for Apone, Drake, Hudson and Hicks for those who preorder the game. Apone and Drake are voiced by Al Matthews and Mark Rolston. Also returning are Lance Henriksen and William Hope.
Their reasonings for not including playable females is very puzzling and upsetting to fans who want an authentic ALIENS experience with female marines like Vasquez, Dietrich and Ferro. We feel that it should be included as a Downloadable Content Patch, to be released after the game releases on February 12, 2013. We believe ALIENS Colonial Marines can be a flagship for more game developers to start including females in their games, as there are many female gamers out there!
I would like to ask you if you could approach Ms. Goldstein and Ms. Scott for their opinions and or support for this. May I also suggest you get in contact with GEARBOX SOFTWARE president Randy Pitchford and Gearbox Producer Brian Burleson for possible involvement of Ms. Goldstein and Ms. Scott for the Multiplayer aspect of the game?. And I also ask if you could pass this on to Colette Hiller's agent as well?, as I do not have their contact information.
GEARBOX SOFTWARE
101 E Park Blvd # 1200 Plano, TX 75074, United States
(972) 312-8202
What better way to achieve this then to ask the iconic Female Colonial Marines themselves?
Thank you for your time!
- Melissa K.
- The undersigned petition supporters.
How about this:
Quote
Dear Mr. Maki & Mr. Clark,
RE: Cynthia Dale Scott & Jenette Goldstein.
My name is Melissa K. and I, along with many others are excitedly awaiting the release of Gearbox Software and Segas upcoming "ALIENS: Colonial Marines" video game. A game which according to Gearbox, SEGA and FOX is a "true sequel" to the 1986 blockbuster film "ALIENS" in which Ms. Scott and Ms. Goldstein starred in, and undoubtedly helped in it's success.
Over the last few months we have learned that there will be No Playable Females characters in the multiplayer version of the game, where you can customize and upgrade your own marine. The single player portion of the game has you play as a male lead, but the fact there is no playable females in the multiplayer mode is very disappointing.
We have politely emailed the developers and publisher several times and have never received a reply, so I started a petition online, and sent it to major gaming/scifi websites who all took the story and ran with it. The petition has received over 3,500 signatures.
LINK TO PETITION: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/ (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/)
Many petition signers have expressed their interest in a Vasquez character model for the multiplayer, considering Gearbox has included character models for Apone, Drake, Hudson and Hicks for those who pre-order the game. Apone and Drake are voiced by Al Matthews and Mark Rolston. Also returning are Lance Henriksen and William Hope.
Gearbox Software have since provided reasons for not including playable females, but they've proved very puzzling and upsetting to fans who want an authentic ALIENS experience with female marines like Vasquez, Dietrich and Ferro. We believe ALIENS Colonial Marines can be a flagship for more game developers to start including females in their games, as there are many female gamers out there.
I would like to ask you if you could approach Ms. Goldstein and Ms. Scott for their opinions and/ or support for this. May I also suggest you get in contact with Gearbox Software president Randy Pitchford and Gearbox Producer Brian Burleson for possible involvement of Ms. Goldstein and Ms. Scott for the Multiplayer aspect of the game? (We don't have any contact details for the agency representing Collette Hiller - who portrayed Ferro in Aliens - so would welcome any information you might be able to provide in that regard.)
GEARBOX SOFTWARE
101 E Park Blvd # 1200 Plano, TX 75074, United States
(972) 312-8202
What better way to achieve this then to ask the iconic Female Colonial Marines themselves?
Thank you for your time!
- Melissa K.
- The undersigned petition supporters.
Quote from: SM on Jul 19, 2012, 06:08:29 AM
How about this?
Quote
Dear Mr. Maki & Mr. Clark,
RE: Cynthia Dale Scott & Jenette Goldstein.
My name is Melissa K. and I, along with many others are excitedly awaiting the release of Gearbox Software and Segas upcoming "ALIENS: Colonial Marines" video game. A game which according to Gearbox, SEGA and FOX is a "true sequel" to the 1986 blockbuster film "ALIENS" in which Ms. Scott and Ms. Goldstein starred in, and undoubtedly helped in it's success.
Over the last few months we have learned that there will be No Playable Females characters in the multiplayer version of the game, where you can customize and upgrade your own marine. The single player portion of the game has you play as a male lead, but the fact there is no playable females in the multiplayer mode is very disappointing.
We have politely emailed the developers and publisher several times and have never received a reply, so I started a petition online, and sent it to major gaming/scifi websites who all took the story and ran with it. The petition has received over 3,500 signatures.
LINK TO PETITION: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/ (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/)
Many petition signers have expressed their interest in a Vasquez character model for the multiplayer, considering Gearbox has included character models for Apone, Drake, Hudson and Hicks for those who pre-order the game. Apone and Drake are voiced by Al Matthews and Mark Rolston. Also returning are Lance Henriksen and William Hope.
Gearbox Software have since provided reasons for not including playable females, but they've proved very puzzling and upsetting to fans who want an authentic ALIENS experience with female marines like Vasquez, Dietrich and Ferro. We believe ALIENS Colonial Marines can be a flagship for more game developers to start including females in their games, as there are many female gamers out there.
I would like to ask you if you could approach Ms. Goldstein and Ms. Scott for their opinions and/ or support for this. May I also suggest you get in contact with Gearbox Software president Randy Pitchford and Gearbox Producer Brian Burleson for possible involvement of Ms. Goldstein and Ms. Scott for the Multiplayer aspect of the game? (We don't have any contact details for the agency representing Collette Hiller - who portrayed Ferro in Aliens - so would welcome any information you might be able to provide in that regard.)
GEARBOX SOFTWARE
101 E Park Blvd # 1200 Plano, TX 75074, United States
(972) 312-8202
What better way to achieve this then to ask the iconic Female Colonial Marines themselves?
Thank you for your time!
- Melissa K.
- The undersigned petition supporters.
Awesome, thank you so much!, Just what it needed, I figured I was wording it alittle wonky, I'm not "wordly" (as I say to family when arguing haha)
So is this alright with others? I want to send it in the AM
Looks good, can't come up with anything to add. Would be awesome if we'd be able to get a reaction.
I also can't believe why Gearbox would leave out female players, there's been strong female characters in all the films.
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jul 19, 2012, 05:35:25 AM
Awesome, Thanks SM, I tend to be over-informative and long winded sometimes haha, so that is why I ask, I will continue to work on it :)
How is this?
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Dear Mr. Maki & Mr. Clark,
RE: Cynthia Dale Scott & Jenette Goldstein.
My name is Melissa K. and I along with many others are excitedly awaiting the release of GEARBOX SOFTWARE and SEGAs upcoming "ALIENS: Colonial Marines" video game. A game which according to Gearbox, SEGA and FOX is a "true sequel" to the 1986 blockbuster film "ALIENS" in which Ms. Scott and Ms. Goldstein starred in, and undoubtedly helped in it's success. This game is receiving "Canon" status as well.
Over the last few months we have learned that there will be No Playable Females in the Multiplayer/Co-op, where you can customize and upgrade your own marine. The Single player portion of the game has you play as a male lead, which is alright by us, but the fact there is no playable females in the multiplayer/co-op is very disappointing.
We have politely emailed the developers and publisher several times and have never received a reply, so I started a petition online, and sent it to major gaming/scifi websites who all took the story and ran with it. The petition has received over 3,500 signatures.
LINK TO PETITION: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/ (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/)
Many petition signers have expressed their interest in a Vasquez character model for the multiplayer, considering GEARBOX has included character models for Apone, Drake, Hudson and Hicks for those who preorder the game. Apone and Drake are voiced by Al Matthews and Mark Rolston. Also returning are Lance Henriksen and William Hope.
Their reasonings for not including playable females is very puzzling and upsetting to fans who want an authentic ALIENS experience with female marines like Vasquez, Dietrich and Ferro. We feel that it should be included as a Downloadable Content Patch, to be released after the game releases on February 12, 2013. We believe ALIENS Colonial Marines can be a flagship for more game developers to start including females in their games, as there are many female gamers out there!
I would like to ask you if you could approach Ms. Goldstein and Ms. Scott for their opinions and or support for this. May I also suggest you get in contact with GEARBOX SOFTWARE president Randy Pitchford and Gearbox Producer Brian Burleson for possible involvement of Ms. Goldstein and Ms. Scott for the Multiplayer aspect of the game?. And I also ask if you could pass this on to Colette Hiller's agent as well?, as I do not have their contact information.
GEARBOX SOFTWARE
101 E Park Blvd # 1200 Plano, TX 75074, United States
(972) 312-8202
What better way to achieve this then to ask the iconic Female Colonial Marines themselves?
Thank you for your time!
- Melissa K.
- The undersigned petition supporters.
This sounds great! If I may add one suggestion, I would recommend you add in something about how people look up to Vasquez, Ferro, and Dietrich as heroes or icons. Really drive the point across that you and other women look up to them.
Still it is very concise, polite, and you definitely get your point across. I hope this goes well for you!
Moosh,
I seriously believe that you a doing excellent work with this cause. Kudos to you! That letter is brilliant!
Thank you, but I cannot take all the credit, Very big thanks to SM for helping out with it :)
As for adding in more about how iconic they are, I think the last line sums it up, short and sweet, without "kissing a**". I am a huge fan of both characters and actors, and I think they have a general idea that their work in ALIENS is stellar to the fans (and women in general)
Thanks for the feedback, I am going to send it now :)
Good luck! I hope they respond.
Thanks! I'm excited!
Now, to find a FAN MAIL address for these ladies, I wanna get me some autographs! hahaha
I know Jenette has done some video game voice work in the recent past, so hopefully she will get in on this too!
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jul 19, 2012, 07:10:09 PM
Thanks! I'm excited!
Now, to find a FAN MAIL address for these ladies, I wanna get me some autographs! hahaha
I know Jenette has done some video game voice work in the recent past, so hopefully she will get in on this too!
Good luck! :)
Quote from: Predaker on Jul 19, 2012, 06:53:53 PM
Good luck! I hope they respond.
They already did - they said it can't be done right now. Its too much work.
Just got a reply from Cynthia Dale Scott's agent!
He simply said he would forward our letter on to Cynthia!
How exciting!
Congratulations everyone! I hope she agrees!
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jul 20, 2012, 06:03:27 PM
Just got a reply from Cynthia Dale Scott's agent!
He simply said he would forward our letter on to Cynthia!
How exciting!
Congratulations everyone! I hope she agrees!
Awesome! I'm glad you got a response. :)
Quote from: GearboxAny statements or announcements we have on this matter will be shared directly with you here -- you won't have to hear about them through some second-hand source. Until then, please take any information that doesn't come directly from us or our publisher with a healthy bucket load of salt.
http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showpost.php?p=2650412&postcount=567http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showpost.php?p=2650413&postcount=111I find it very disappointing how all attempts from press, fan-sites and fans to get official clarification on this situation have been repeatedly ignored by both studio and publisher. There's still a lot of discussion going on about characters and other aspects of the game and things are always subject to change of course but I think this could have been handled better.
At this point im pretty much this about the game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY#ws)
Quote from: Njm1983 on Jul 21, 2012, 05:38:01 PM
At this point im pretty much this about the game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY#ws)
So damn true, at this point, I'm done.
Quote from: ikarop on Jul 21, 2012, 03:52:02 PM
I find it very disappointing how all attempts from press, fan-sites and fans to get official clarification on this situation have been repeatedly ignored by both studio and publisher. There's still a lot of discussion going on about characters and other aspects of the game and things are always subject to change of course but I think this could have been handled better.
Sometimes they come through. This following was posted on the GBX community forum by a GBX representative in regards to the issue of whether or not acid blood will be present in single player campaign mode.
"
I've been checking in with the team to get an official answer on the matter and I'm happy to say I have one for you now: Acid blood damage is present in both campaign and multiplayer.
As the game is still being developed, the specific details are still being tuned so we don't have anything more to share about how the mechanic works at this time, but it's definitely there."
While I'm glad that the fans got an answer I'm still curious to know how acid blood damage will work in single player campaign mode...but I'm happy that we got an answer at all. I wanted to thank everyone that contributed in the Petition thread that specifically addressed this issue but it's been locked so I might as well do it here.
Thanks Everyone...and now lets get playable female marines in A:CM!!!
;)
Here is the link to the thread:
http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?p=2651312&posted=1#post2651312 (http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?p=2651312&posted=1#post2651312)
I guess that's that for this case.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jul 21, 2012, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: ikarop on Jul 21, 2012, 03:52:02 PM
I find it very disappointing how all attempts from press, fan-sites and fans to get official clarification on this situation have been repeatedly ignored by both studio and publisher. There's still a lot of discussion going on about characters and other aspects of the game and things are always subject to change of course but I think this could have been handled better.
Sometimes they come through.
I'm aware and glad to hear that they finally officially commented on this. But having seen how PR works multiple times I still think this
could have been handled better. Good news regardless.
So glad you feel the same way ikarop, and I don't mean that in a bad way! (You're like, one of the people I "look up to" regarding info on A:CM) (Not ass kissing either hahaha) but I feel alright about how I feel now :)
i doubt they will listen. But it would be awesome if they did
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jul 22, 2012, 04:32:16 AM
So glad you feel the same way ikarop, and I don't mean that in a bad way! (You're like, one of the people I "look up to" regarding info on A:CM) (Not ass kissing either hahaha) but I feel alright about how I feel now :)
Glad to know we are on the same page. And it goes without saying but let me know if you need anything.
Thanks ikarop, I will keep that in mind :)
Curious to see what Gearbox's next move is
*****UPDATE, JULY 23RD, 2012*****
It appears Ms. Scott has signed our petition!
Quote3584
Name: Cynthia Scott on Jul 20, 2012
Comments: I played Corporal Dietrich in 'Aliens." At that time James Cameron stated that it was essential to his vision to include a "unisex" fighting force of the future, and this was emphasized by the crucial plot points women contributed in 'Aliens' and subsequent films. Surely there's a tech genius out there who can engineer the software to correct this oversight!
A major leap forward for this cause!. While I have not received an email since the reply from her agent that he forwarded it on to her, I do think that there is a possibility she has or will make contact with GBX.
I will be sending a nice "Thank you" letter!
CONGRATULATIONS EVERYONE!!!
LETTER FROM MS. SCOTT: http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showpost.php?p=2652931&postcount=592 (http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showpost.php?p=2652931&postcount=592)
Jimquisition over at the Escapist posted a video about Aliens Colonial Marines and women: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6073-Lets-End-the-FPS-Sausage-fest (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6073-Lets-End-the-FPS-Sausage-fest)
He is one of the regular contributes to the Escapist Magazine and is a huge Aliens fan.
Good work, Moosh.
Very nice! You probably should forward it to GBX's marketing team for formality's sake. Let me know if I can help.
Fantastic f**king work Moosh!
Thanks everyone, I didn't do this alone, each one of you were with me every tread (wheelchair joke, budum tisss!) of the way!
ikarop, I would forward it to them, but I don't think they will reply. Ms. Scott has offered to write a letter for us, so I politely asked her to share her opinion with Randy Pitchford if she wants. I think hearing/reading it straight from Dietrich herself would be better than "she said, he said 'she said'" haha. If you think you can help in any way, please, do! :)
Hopefully we can get a reply from Ms Goldsteins agent, and track down the elusive Ms. Hiller at an appropriate address, and not her SingLondon address, but if I have to use it, I will! haha
I see! Well even tho they may not answer back I think they would appreciate a formal heads up :). Check your PMs.
I will email them then ikarop :)
I checked my private messages, nothing new, unless you meant something else? haha
He said check your "PMS".
Nothing about email or private messages...
Bit sexist to be honest.
:laugh:
Quote from: SM on Jul 24, 2012, 02:18:24 AM
He said check your "PMS".
Nothing about email or private messages...
Bit sexist to be honest.
:laugh:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F6.imagebam.com%2Fdownload%2F-aLIx7F3HwQBwdpoLCzZKg%2F19758%2F197572903%2F87412-prometey2.jpg&hash=0c0510acf1460218347e75ca4279bb1571d0b6f2)
;D
Stealing that!
Moosh, you have done excellent work indeed and I wholeheartedly admire your persistence to achieve your goal. If this whole thing goes well in the end, I'd even advocate to GBX that they name their playable female marine "Moosh" in recognition of all of the work you've done to achieve this!
Quote from: SM on Jul 24, 2012, 02:18:24 AM
He said check your "PMS".
Nothing about email or private messages...
Bit sexist to be honest.
Haha, I saw that SM, but I was like... "...Nah..." haha
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jul 24, 2012, 02:35:39 AM
Moosh, you have done excellent work indeed and I wholeheartedly admire your persistence to achieve your goal. If this whole thing goes well in the end, I'd even advocate to GBX that they name their playable female marine "Moosh" in recognition of all of the work you've done to achieve this!
Thank you! That is very kind, and that would be awesome!, but I think that I would be pretty selfish to think that, I could not have done this with out you guys/girls!, this is US!!!
Quote from: SM on Jul 24, 2012, 02:27:19 AM
;D
Stealing that!
Use it all over that Prometheus board.
Wow, that's awesome Cynthia Scott responded. I hope the others do as well. And then let's get Cameron in on this too. :P
If you was to get any female force to comment about the female players being on A:CM i would target either:
sigourney weaver (Ripley)
or
gale anne hurd (Aliens Producer)
Congratulations Moosh!! You are really getting some awesome results! Nice work on getting Cynthia Scott on your cause! ;D
Quote from: 9th_Stew on Jul 24, 2012, 09:03:20 AM
If you was to get any female force to comment about the female players being on A:CM i would target either:
sigourney weaver (Ripley)
or
gale anne hurd (Aliens Producer)
I have considered Sigourney Weaver, while I think she is awesome, I think she may do more harm to the cause than anything. She isn't too big on the use of guns, and her bill would probably be out of Gearbox and SEGAs budget. Not to mention how hard it would be to contact her, she seems fairly busy now.
I never thought about Gale Anne Hurd though, nice one! I will check it out :)
Sigourney's next movie is in pre-production...so she might be available. She is also rumored to be in Avatar 2 at this point but since her character died in the last installment, I think she might only appear in that film as a ghost and in (very) limited capacity. Think Obi-Wan in The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Avatar 2 hasn't even gone into pre-production yet.
You could also try to contact Carrie Henn.
You want a playable Newt?
With an explosive Casey?
Quote from: SM on Jul 25, 2012, 02:15:00 AM
You want a playable Newt?
With an explosive Casey?
Get enough kills in the game and you unlock this for a short amount of time.
Make it part of the game!
Righteous.
Quote from: SM on Jul 25, 2012, 02:15:00 AM
You want a playable Newt?
With an explosive Casey?
Haha. I was saying all of that half jokingly...but an explosive Casey would be cool except it sounds more like an improvised terrorist weapon for CoD than something I'd expect to find in A:CM.
Then again, I'd expect playable female marines too.
:-\
But of all the people Moosh is trying to contact, Carrie might be relatively easy to find as well as contribute a statement on the issue. Since she is a school teacher now I'd expect her to still be on summer break and therefore relatively available.
I expected coherency of premise.
Don't always get what you want.
Or what you need.
I have been saying for awhile now, I would love a capture the flag style mode where you need to capture Newt... she would have her own AI and scurry around in vents and stuff, and she would fight you off by hitting, squirming and biting haha. Marines need to get her to Medlab, ALIENS need to get her to the hive, that would be too funny!
Anyway. If you guys want me to, I will try to track Ms. Henn down as well
Quote from: SM on Jul 25, 2012, 02:15:00 AM
You want a playable Newt?
With an explosive Casey?
Also, I will draw this up when I buy my digital tablet, I so want to see this.
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jul 25, 2012, 03:15:48 AM
I have been saying for awhile now, I would love a capture the flag style mode where you need to capture Newt... she would have her own AI and scurry around in vents and stuff, and she would fight you off by hitting, squirming and biting haha. Marines need to get her to Medlab, ALIENS need to get her to the hive, that would be too funny!
Anyway. If you guys want me to, I will try to track Ms. Henn down as well
That would be so freaking awesome.
So I also wrote Mr. Ricco Ross (Frost... FRRRROSSSSSSST!!!)
Waiting for a reply from him as well
Heres what we have so far:
- Cynthia Scott
Waiting for:
- Jenette Goldstein
- Gale Anne Hurd
- Al Matthews
- Ricco Ross
- Colette Hiller
Need to write:
- Lance Henriksen
- Mark Rolston
- Farrah White (Bella)
Wishful Thinking:
- James Cameron (I have his agent's email address!)
If anyone has contact info (email) for these people or their agents, please PM it to me :) Thank you!!!
Goodluck Moosh89.
You can contact Lance and Farrah White via their facebook pages. If not you can try contacting Troy Foreman (http://troy@backtofrankblack.com) for Lance.
Quote from: ikarop on Jul 26, 2012, 07:27:03 PM
You can contact Lance and Farrah White via their facebook pages. If not you can try contacting Troy Foreman (http://troy@backtofrankblack.com) for Lance.
Excellent, thanks ikarop! I'm on it!
*EDIT* is there a link to Ms. White's facebook page you can send me? haha
http://www.facebook.com/farahwhite (http://www.facebook.com/farahwhite)
Thanks ikarop!, I'm sure I passed over it only about a dozen times haha
About gender equality in games, and A:CM is mentioned a lot in this video.
http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/jimquisition-talks-gender-equality-in-shooters (http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/jimquisition-talks-gender-equality-in-shooters)
Just got the support of Mr. Ricco Ross!
View his message here: http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showpost.php?p=2656326&postcount=645 (http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showpost.php?p=2656326&postcount=645)
Congrats everyone! Another major leap forward!
So far, pretty impressive. :o
Mr. Ross' EEEEEElectronic signature ;)
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/signatures/page/73#sub-3613 (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/signatures/page/73#sub-3613)
Ross' entry was fecking sweet! :laugh:
Outstanding!
I've just signed. Good luck with this, your tenacity on this is impressive, keep it up.
Nice! Mr. Ross is on board!
I didn't know that the original script for Aliens had everyone showering together, no matter the gender. That would have been a powerful scene, show a lot about how in the marines in Aliens you are not divided by race or gender.
Yeah that was how Ripley found out about Bishop being an android. He had a barcode tat from memory.
Starship Troopers had a unisex shower scene. ;)
Will A:CM have such scenes?
Spoiler
With Bella?
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdeathtothemovies.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F06%2FAlien_chestburster.jpg&hash=b148aad7824faab0512bad8845ccd002d8dbcc56)
I love how these actors are sharing little details about the film! Awesome!
*Quick Update*
Onboard the USS "Playable Females":
- Ms. Cynthia Scott
- Mr. Ricco Ross
Awaiting Transmission:
- Ms. Jenette Goldstein
- Ms. Colette Hiller
- Mr. Lance Henriksen (Although the author of his book posted it on his facebook page)
- Mr. Michael Biehn
- Mr. Mark Rolston
- Ms. Gale Anne Hurd
- Mr. Al Matthews
Anyone else we should seriously consider?
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jul 28, 2012, 01:34:38 AM
I love how these actors are sharing little details about the film! Awesome!
*Quick Update*
Onboard the USS "Playable Females":
- Ms. Cynthia Scott
- Mr. Ricco Ross
Awaiting Transmission:
- Ms. Jenette Goldstein
- Ms. Colette Hiller
- Mr. Lance Henriksen (Although the author of his book posted it on his facebook page)
- Mr. Michael Biehn
- Mr. Mark Rolston
- Ms. Gale Anne Hurd
- Mr. Al Matthews
Anyone else we should seriously consider?
Quite impressive, my friend!
I could always send Trevor Steedman (wierzbowski) a message for you, he's on my facebook - just PM me and ill write to him what you wish to say :)
It might be a conflict-of-interest for Lance Henriksen to sign the petition because he worked with GBX on this game. Same with Al Matthews and Mark Rolston.
Doubt it.
They've probably already been paid anyway.
Here is an updated list!
Onboard the USS "Playable Females":
- Ms. Cynthia Scott
- Mr. Ricco Ross
Awaiting Transmission:
- Ms. Jenette Goldstein (I sent a reminder to her agent)
- Ms. Colette Hiller
- Mr. Lance Henriksen (Although the author of his book posted it on his facebook page)
- Mr. Michael Biehn
- Mr. Mark Rolston
- Ms. Gale Anne Hurd
- Mr. Al Matthews
- Ms. Farrah White
- Mr. Trevor Steedman
How about Bill Paxton?
Worth a shot :) I'll see what I can come up with
*Edit*
So I just tried on my own, couldn't find anything, I will "call in" some help :)
*Edit again*
Mr. Trevor Steedman will also be signing!, I will update when it is "official"!
Quote from: SM on Jul 29, 2012, 12:02:10 AM
Doubt it.
They've probably already been paid anyway.
There might be a sequel. If Henriksen's character survives A:CM, he might be reluctant to throw his hat into signing a petition if he knows there is a chance he could return and get paid again. His original portrayal of Bishop has led him to some pretty lucrative deals in film sequels (Alien3 and AvP) and also given him quite a presence in video games based on the Alien franchise (AvP2010, Alien Trilogy, and now A:CM).
Why mess the chance to continue to allow such a legacy to be your bread-and-better by signing a petition that could potentially piss off the people that continually support you?
I'm just saying...
QuoteWhy mess the chance to continue to allow such a legacy to be your bread-and-better by signing a petition that could potentially piss off the people that continually support you?
You mean "people that continually pay him".
Either way.
*****MAJOR UPDATE, JULY 30TH, 2012!!!*****
I CAN'T BREATHE!!! HAHAHA!, Look who just tweeted back and signed our petition!
https://twitter.com/jenettebras/status/230144430101889025 (https://twitter.com/jenettebras/status/230144430101889025)
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/signatures/page/73#sub-3643 (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/signatures/page/73#sub-3643)
Hahaha Kick ass Vasquez!!!, Yes, Ms. Jenette Goldstein!
OMG, her comment on the petition, this is amazing.
HOLY SHIT!!! THIS IS A BIG WIN!!!!!!!!
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 31, 2012, 04:06:37 AM
OMG, her comment on the petition, this is amazing.
I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read it, because it would've taken an express elevator to my monitor (by way of my nose). :laugh:
Good Christ! That is so awesome! Major props!
EDIT: Just signed it. Cant believe I haven't until now.
Jenette Goldstein, AKA "Vasquez"
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishjournal.com%2Fimages%2Fbloggers_auto%2Fwj_goldstein_061209-350.jpg&hash=60948725d3df866aa4c821603bf62a246de375f9)
i Pendejo jerk-offs !
;D
WOW!
Congrats, Moosh!
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jul 31, 2012, 03:49:53 AM
*****MAJOR UPDATE, JULY 30TH, 2012!!!*****
I CAN'T BREATHE!!! HAHAHA!, Look who just tweeted back and signed our petition!
https://twitter.com/jenettebras/status/230144430101889025 (https://twitter.com/jenettebras/status/230144430101889025)
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/signatures/page/73#sub-3643 (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/signatures/page/73#sub-3643)
Hahaha Kick ass Vasquez!!!, Yes, Ms. Jenette Goldstein!
:o Wow Moosh just wow!
Another Update!!!
Mr. William Hope (Lt. Gorman) has asked for his name to be added!!!
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/signatures/page/74#sub-3659 (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/signatures/page/74#sub-3659)
GORMAN!!!!
AMAZING!!! God damn, I love this, f**king love this!
This is really cool, I'm impressed with the cast response. I hope GB listens, even if it's just in the form of DLC's later on.
i dare you to go for the heavyweights
Ridley Scott
James Cameron
:P
Oh I have! :)
Do I get a prize????
no :P
Loving Vasquez's comment! ;D
Quote from: LIG on Aug 01, 2012, 07:21:57 PM
Loving Vasquez's comment! ;D
And she wrote it in Spanish grammar! :D
Oh snap at Jenette Goldstein's comment! :)
Also yeah, William Hope's on board
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 01, 2012, 08:58:02 PM
Quote from: LIG on Aug 01, 2012, 07:21:57 PM
Loving Vasquez's comment! ;D
And she wrote it in Spanish grammar! :D
I would love to see the people at Gearbox when they see that, after going on for so long about being fans it must really hurt to have one of the most popular characters insult you ;D
https://twitter.com/DuvalMagic/status/231152130176733184 (https://twitter.com/DuvalMagic/status/231152130176733184)
Quote
Randy Pitchford
‏@DuvalMagic 7h In my vision of the future, gender/sex discrimination has been solved and is not a thing. Our Aliens game reflects this ideal.
Does this mean "Good News" for us incoming??? :) Lets hope so!
Quote from: Moosh89 on Aug 03, 2012, 05:53:06 AM
https://twitter.com/DuvalMagic/status/231152130176733184 (https://twitter.com/DuvalMagic/status/231152130176733184)
Quote
Randy Pitchford
‏@DuvalMagic 7h In my vision of the future, gender/sex discrimination has been solved and is not a thing. Our Aliens game reflects this ideal.
Does this mean "Good News" for us incoming??? :) Lets hope so!
I going to be optimistic about this. SO I sure as hell hope it means good news.
Insults from Vasquez would lead me to a rethink too.
Quote from: Moosh89 on Jul 31, 2012, 03:49:53 AM
*****MAJOR UPDATE, JULY 30TH, 2012!!!*****
I CAN'T BREATHE!!! HAHAHA!, Look who just tweeted back and signed our petition!
https://twitter.com/jenettebras/status/230144430101889025 (https://twitter.com/jenettebras/status/230144430101889025)
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/signatures/page/73#sub-3643 (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/signatures/page/73#sub-3643)
Hahaha Kick ass Vasquez!!!, Yes, Ms. Jenette Goldstein!
LOL That is fantastic. I laughed when I saw her response; it's so awesomely Vasquez.
*****UPDATE, AUGUST 10TH, 2012*****
I have a mission for those who are going to the Gearbox Community Day event! (Details Here: http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/announcement.php?f=118&a=29 (http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/announcement.php?f=118&a=29) )
We would need as many as possible!
Your mission is very simple... ASK about the Playable Female situation!, Show your interest in numbers!, If a bunch of you ask at the panel, they might finally give us an answer!,
Get creative!, Make T-Shirts, or little paper signs! enex had a great image to use (thanks enex!), I have edited it for you to use on a piece of paper if you don't want to spend money on a T-Shirt and transfer paper
This image is sized 8"X10"
DOWNLOAD LINK: http://www.filedropper.com/playablefemales (http://www.filedropper.com/playablefemales)
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If you wish to accept this mission, please say so, so we know!
Moosh
Anyone who will be there cannot miss this opportunity, if I could I would definitely go and show them a thing or two about this.
I read somewhere why they didnt include playable females was cuz it was just harder to animate or something. ??? Sometimes ppl are just lazy and dont want do more work :p However they are gonna have a Ripley skin..i think..right?
Quote from: freddy616 on Aug 10, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
I read somewhere why they didnt include playable females was cuz it was just harder to animate or something. ??? Sometimes ppl are just lazy and dont want do more work :p However they are gonna have a Ripley skin..i think..right?
I believe that very same info was in this thread during its early days. So yeah, pretty much that's what they said, and many other games have done the same with no problems, I even posted a video about gender equality in video games, and the host talked with some developer about female and males in multi-player games...and they essentially said it was no problem at all to do that. So Gearbox is freaking lazy to say the least.
Quote from: freddy616 on Aug 10, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
I read somewhere why they didnt include playable females was cuz it was just harder to animate or something. ??? Sometimes ppl are just lazy and dont want do more work :p However they are gonna have a Ripley skin..i think..right?
I think you may be confusing the Ripley flamethrower/pulse rifle combo weapon which comes with the collectors editionn, with a Ripley skin. They haven't announced any playable females as of yet.
Quote from: Moosh89 on Aug 10, 2012, 07:06:13 AM
*****UPDATE, AUGUST 10TH, 2012*****
I have a mission for those who are going to the Gearbox Community Day event! (Details Here: http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/announcement.php?f=118&a=29 (http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/announcement.php?f=118&a=29) )
We would need as many as possible!
Your mission is very simple... ASK about the Playable Female situation!, Show your interest in numbers!, If a bunch of you ask at the panel, they might finally give us an answer!,
Get creative!, Make T-Shirts, or little paper signs! enex had a great image to use (thanks enex!), I have edited it for you to use on a piece of paper if you don't want to spend money on a T-Shirt and transfer paper
This image is sized 8"X10"
DOWNLOAD LINK: http://www.filedropper.com/playablefemales (http://www.filedropper.com/playablefemales)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi282.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fkk254%2FMoosh89%2FPlayableFemales.jpg&hash=1f42de1d75dc8d3849783b9eb40b12b7fb9802a0)
If you wish to accept this mission, please say so, so we know!
Moosh
I unfortunetly will not be at the Gearbox event. That said, nice work with the poster!
Quote from: FightFinda on Aug 11, 2012, 05:40:15 PM
Quote from: freddy616 on Aug 10, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
I read somewhere why they didnt include playable females was cuz it was just harder to animate or something. ??? Sometimes ppl are just lazy and dont want do more work :p However they are gonna have a Ripley skin..i think..right?
I think you may be confusing the Ripley flamethrower/pulse rifle combo weapon which comes with the collectors editionn, with a Ripley skin. They haven't announced any playable females as of yet.
Oh yeah thats right.
Female characters ideally should reflect things like a different walking gait, but it really wouldn't be that much more effort to programme. Especially if they're putting it in single-player, regardless.
I still think Sega missed an opportunity by not allowing Tequila to be in the most recent AVP game's multiplayer option.
I'm not a big fan of AVP3 making this stereotype. Fluffy cartoony stuff like that ruins the experience.
I was hoping GB didn't go this direction either, and use a stock poser model look.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 13, 2012, 08:01:22 AM
Female characters ideally should reflect things like a different walking gait, but it really wouldn't be that much more effort to programme. Especially if they're putting it in single-player, regardless.
I still think Sega missed an opportunity by not allowing Tequila to be in the most recent AVP game's multiplayer option.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 13, 2012, 08:01:22 AM
Female characters ideally should reflect things like a different walking gait, but it really wouldn't be that much more effort to programme. Especially if they're putting it in single-player, regardless.
I still think Sega missed an opportunity by not allowing Tequila to be in the most recent AVP game's multiplayer option.
Which leads me to wonder if this is somehow Sega's doing. Perhaps they were afraid a game where players can be females and torn apart by other players would receive bans from countries with more uptight rating systems? Kind of silly if that's the case.
Another Design, Credit to Solaris Wave for the clever acronym :)
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:D
Quote from: Moosh89 on Aug 13, 2012, 11:43:49 PM
Another Design, Credit to Solaris Wave for the clever acronym :)
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Very clever.
I a just curious, is the American military equal when it comes to men and women? Or is any country equal yet? I know that there are some females in the armed forces here in the States but i do not know how they are treated in relation to the men or if they get the same benefits and stuff.
I think we have a woman in my hometown who is a Colonel.
From the beginning of the 1970s, most Western armies began to admit women to serve active duty.[2] Only some of them permit women to fill active combat roles, including Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Italy, Germany, Norway, Israel, Serbia, Sweden and Switzerland. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_military)
Even when in effective combat roles, I still think women are largely excluded from infantry.
Not sure if this has been posted here yet, but its worth watching if you are interested.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6073-Lets-End-the-FPS-Sausage-fest (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6073-Lets-End-the-FPS-Sausage-fest)
The petition is mentioned in the lastest issue of PSM3
I don't understand why there wouldn't be playable females in MP, since te Alien franchise has always been carried by a Heroine in the movies.
Which is why we need another delay for Gearbox to get their shit right!
Quote from: Bjørn Half-hand on Aug 17, 2012, 06:29:47 PM
The petition is mentioned in the lastest issue of PSM3
Thanks for the heads up!
Anyone have a copy they can share here?
Quote from: Moosh89 on Aug 17, 2012, 08:53:52 PM
Quote from: Bjørn Half-hand on Aug 17, 2012, 06:29:47 PM
The petition is mentioned in the lastest issue of PSM3
Thanks for the heads up!
Anyone have a copy they can share here?
It's a fairly small write up to be honest, I don't have a scanner but I'll happily type it up here for you in a minute.
EDIT: Here you go;
Aliens fans have started an online petition about the total absence of female marines in multiplayer. In the film female marines like vasquez play a huge role, and many see the Alien series as having a significant feminist message. Check the petition here: goo.gl/VCQD8
C'mon Gearbox, listen up!
Quote from: Bjørn Half-hand on Aug 17, 2012, 08:56:39 PM
Quote from: Moosh89 on Aug 17, 2012, 08:53:52 PM
Quote from: Bjørn Half-hand on Aug 17, 2012, 06:29:47 PM
The petition is mentioned in the lastest issue of PSM3
Thanks for the heads up!
Anyone have a copy they can share here?
It's a fairly small write up to be honest, I don't have a scanner but I'll happily type it up here for you in a minute.
EDIT: Here you go;
Aliens fans have started an online petition about the total absence of female marines in multiplayer. In the film female marines like vasquez play a huge role, and many see the Alien series as having a significant feminist message. Check the petition here: goo.gl/VCQD8
Thanks!, That's pretty cool that they even put a mini link in there too! :)
Signed.
Quote from: shadowedge on Aug 16, 2012, 10:37:23 PM
Very clever.
I a just curious, is the American military equal when it comes to men and women? Or is any country equal yet? I know that there are some females in the armed forces here in the States but i do not know how they are treated in relation to the men or if they get the same benefits and stuff.
I think we have a woman in my hometown who is a Colonel.
It's... A bit of a sticky area, to be honest. Obviously, there are concerns about things like upper body strength, although, obviously, if a woman
could pass the initial test for that, then so be it. From what I remember, though, the Israelis did studies on mixed gender front-line combat roles and human psychology has an unfortunate habit to enter operational procedure. Men are programmed to be more protective of female colleagues, for example and will take more risks to rescue them - and be plagued by more frustrations/stresses which can distract them, if female members of their unit are captured. This essentially leads to personnel being off their game, so to speak (and can even lead to motivations of revenge creeping into combat engagements and ignoring the recognised rules of engagement).
There's also the topic of fraternisation, which
does go on, even though it's not meant to. If you've ever witnessed an office romance and the negative consequences of that, this can be writ large in a life-or-death environment, where favouritism will tend to be
suspected by others who are aware of the relationship, leading to trust issues, even if the pair, themselves, are somehow actively trying to avoid it and keep things strictly professional (although, again, considering human nature, favouritism is a real possibility).
To a certain extent (it's not purely sexual, after all - people can have vested romantic feelings and be in a relationship
without sex being involved), this latter problem can be eliminated, due to sleeping arrangements being separated (something which can't be done when bisexual/homosexual personnel enter the equation, for obvious reasons). But the first problem is still a risk to efficiency.
Unless policy has changed, I
think the Israelis still have women in front-line combat units, but got around it by making them female-exclusive.
The unisex barracks/showering arrangements depicted in '
Starship Troopers' won't be happening any time soon, clearly, unless the Pentagon is allowed to implant mind-control chips in recruits' brains to rid them of basic human emotions. :)
Yes, female personnel are frequently involved in firefights in support positions, but this is unavoidable. It's not the same thing as deliberately tempting fate in front-line 'dirty' infantry combat (and, it should be kept in mind, female personnel would be priority targets for militants trying to exploit these very psychological weaknesses, in the same way as innocent Jewish tourists are unfortunately more of a target for terrorists).
That's why I think games which revolve around the Colonial Marines
should be authentic and allow for female personnel, since the source material has been portrayed that way. But why I also have issues with the slightly self-righteous nature of the Twitter quote. Because there are are genuine psychological issues to take into account, which have absolutely nothing to do with sexism or assumptions about potential sexual assault, when discussing the pros and cons of having mixed-gender combat personnel units.
With all that said, I love female military characters and own copies of the excellent '
Love My Rifle More Than You' and '
Dressed To Kill', which are the biographies of two female soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan and are very enlightening. One of the fiction novels I'm in the process of writing also centres around a female gunship pilot, set in the future, so... I'm all for more of this stuff being represented! But also of applying realism where possible!
Thanks for sharing all that!
Your story sounds interesting! and I will have to check out the other two books you mentioned as well :)
Quote from: Moosh89 on Aug 19, 2012, 05:07:05 AM
Thanks for sharing all that!
Your story sounds interesting! and I will have to check out the other two books you mentioned as well :)
Please do. They provide a quite insightful view into the life of modern female soldiers who serve in combat zones. Got them for research with my own, but glad I did.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 19, 2012, 04:43:46 AM
Quote from: shadowedge on Aug 16, 2012, 10:37:23 PM
Very clever.
I a just curious, is the American military equal when it comes to men and women? Or is any country equal yet? I know that there are some females in the armed forces here in the States but i do not know how they are treated in relation to the men or if they get the same benefits and stuff.
I think we have a woman in my hometown who is a Colonel.
It's... A bit of a sticky area, to be honest. Obviously, there are concerns about things like upper body strength, although, obviously, if a woman could pass the initial test for that, then so be it. From what I remember, though, the Israelis did studies on mixed gender front-line combat roles and human psychology has an unfortunate habit to enter operational procedure. Men are programmed to be more protective of female colleagues, for example and will take more risks to rescue them - and be plagued by more frustrations/stresses which can distract them, if female members of their unit are captured. This essentially leads to personnel being off their game, so to speak (and can even lead to motivations of revenge creeping into combat engagements and ignoring the recognised rules of engagement).
There's also the topic of fraternisation, which does go on, even though it's not meant to. If you've ever witnessed an office romance and the negative consequences of that, this can be writ large in a life-or-death environment, where favouritism will tend to be suspected by others who are aware of the relationship, leading to trust issues, even if the pair, themselves, are somehow actively trying to avoid it and keep things strictly professional (although, again, considering human nature, favouritism is a real possibility).
To a certain extent (it's not purely sexual, after all - people can have vested romantic feelings and be in a relationship without sex being involved), this latter problem can be eliminated, due to sleeping arrangements being separated (something which can't be done when bisexual/homosexual personnel enter the equation, for obvious reasons). But the first problem is still a risk to efficiency.
Unless policy has changed, I think the Israelis still have women in front-line combat units, but got around it by making them female-exclusive.
The unisex barracks/showering arrangements depicted in 'Starship Troopers' won't be happening any time soon, clearly, unless the Pentagon is allowed to implant mind-control chips in recruits' brains to rid them of basic human emotions. :)
Yes, female personnel are frequently involved in firefights in support positions, but this is unavoidable. It's not the same thing as deliberately tempting fate in front-line 'dirty' infantry combat (and, it should be kept in mind, female personnel would be priority targets for militants trying to exploit these very psychological weaknesses, in the same way as innocent Jewish tourists are unfortunately more of a target for terrorists).
That's why I think games which revolve around the Colonial Marines should be authentic and allow for female personnel, since the source material has been portrayed that way. But why I also have issues with the slightly self-righteous nature of the Twitter quote. Because there are are genuine psychological issues to take into account, which have absolutely nothing to do with sexism or assumptions about potential sexual assault, when discussing the pros and cons of having mixed-gender combat personnel units.
With all that said, I love female military characters and own copies of the excellent 'Love My Rifle More Than You' and 'Dressed To Kill', which are the biographies of two female soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan and are very enlightening. One of the fiction novels I'm in the process of writing also centres around a female gunship pilot, set in the future, so... I'm all for more of this stuff being represented! But also of applying realism where possible!
Thanks for the detailed reply! It is so informative, and honestly brings up some things that I never would have thought about.
I will check out those two novels you mentioned. Good luck with yours as well, I hope it is a success.
Were you by any chance in the military?
Thankee.
Not personally, but my father was and I know some who are.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 20, 2012, 03:58:21 AM
Thankee.
Not personally, but my father was and I know some who are.
Cool.
That pretty much sums up everything one of my instructors in MOS school brought up when he claimed to be against females serving in combat. Men are just going to get too distracted by it. And honestly, with all of this recent media attention trying to push for females to serve in infantry units...most of the men in those units don't want them there, so it's going to create a bit more tension.
This is a USMC perspective btw.
*****UPDATE, AUGUST 21ST, 2012*****Just received an email from Ms. Colette Hiller!
QuoteDear Melissa,
I will sign your petition. And you can feel free to use my name to gain further support.
Best wishes and best of luck!
Colette
Colette Hiller – Corp Ferro
Her name does not yet appear on the petition, unless she signed anonymously, But really, her email is good enough for me! :)
Congrats everyone!
That's every one of the female marines now, right? Great job.
Now get Weaver. ;)
C'mon Sigourney, sign it!!!!
I doubt that she will, unless they subsitute those machine guns for water guns.
Quote from: Aspie on Aug 21, 2012, 11:09:07 PM
I doubt that she will, unless they subsitute those machine guns for water guns.
Good point.
Pitchford: "We're now going to change all weapons into super soakers. We need to make it fun for the players."
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 22, 2012, 12:51:08 AM
Pitchford: "We're now going to change all weapons into super soakers. We need to make it fun for the players."
Water balloon grenades FTW.
Quote from: Aspie on Aug 21, 2012, 11:09:07 PM
I doubt that she will, unless they subsitute those machine guns for water guns.
Bahahaha, Watch her new movie "The Cold Light of Day" then say that again :)
Spoiler
Straight up bad ass, capping people left and right with a little pistol and an uzi bahaha, frick! <3
Is what real?
The petition and those who have signed it is real, as well as the need for this change :)
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Aaaarrrr, absolute BADASSES!
HOLY MOTHER OF HELL!!!
f**k YEAH!!!!
Waaaaaa! I love it! <3
"Let's pack 'em in!"
Oh wait... we did already! ;)
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PETITION RELATED!:
Yes!, My first ring I am offering for sale!, it turned out great!
Now you can have a pet facehugger wrapped around your finger!!!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi282.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fkk254%2FMoosh89%2FALIENS%2520Facehugger%2520Ring%2FIMG_0598copy.png&hash=d856555284503a84f0dac3fd7432495632fd302d)
More pr0n shots ;) :
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I kept the prices as low as possible!, I am only making (give or take) about $10 for each ring, the rest of the price goes to Shapeways for printing costs. They also handle shipping, which is separate but very reasonable!
It usually takes about 3 weeks for me, and they deliver worldwide.
My plan for the first bit of earnings is to buy more of these rings to personally send to the cast members who have signed and supported our petition as a Thank you! :)
Many different materials to choose from including incredibly strong and flexible plastic, plastic with aluminum dust (not as strong as the Strong and Flexible), different mixtures of Stainless Steel, Gold Plated Stainless Steel and Sterling Silver.
Pictured is Matte Gold Plated Stainless Steel. :acmaffirmative:
Links to buy:
SIZE 9: http://www.shapeways.com/model/660388/aliens-facehugger-ring-sz-9.html (http://www.shapeways.com/model/660388/aliens-facehugger-ring-sz-9.html)
SIZE 10: http://www.shapeways.com/model/682626/aliens-facehugger-ring-sz-10.html (http://www.shapeways.com/model/682626/aliens-facehugger-ring-sz-10.html)
SIZE 11: http://www.shapeways.com/model/682642/aliens-facehugger-ring-sz-11.html (http://www.shapeways.com/model/682642/aliens-facehugger-ring-sz-11.html)
SIZE 12: http://www.shapeways.com/model/682658/aliens-facehugger-ring-sz-12.html (http://www.shapeways.com/model/682658/aliens-facehugger-ring-sz-12.html)
Different sizes might be possible if enough demand is there, I can't see it going any smaller than Size 8 though, but I can go bigger if needed, although the price may need adjusting then :(
*MODS, I hope this is OK!, think of it as "art" haha. I had to completely remodel this damn ring like 6 times!!! haha, so I am just shouting VICTORY!!, but my size won't print in steel :( (size 4.5)
VICTORY!!!!
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 31, 2012, 06:22:52 AM
VICTORY!!!!
Not quite, It looks like Bella, and while she does indeed look playable and customizable (she is wearing different armour, nice "movie-like" armour!), Gearbox hasn't officially stated that there are playable females. (although it looks that way!)
I hope that if there are, that you can build your own!, I hate being premade characters online (except the movie characters, I will like those!)
Well, here's hoping that bit in the trailer wasn't a fluke of some kind.
*****UPDATE, AUGUST 31ST, 2012*****Mr. Trevor Steedman has signed now!
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/signatures/page/77#sub-3801 (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/include-playable-females-in-aliens-colonial/signatures/page/77#sub-3801)
QuoteName: Trevor Steedman on Sep 1, 2012
Comments: Hi Melissa, Trevor Steedman here, I played Pvt Weirzbowski in Aliens and I wholeheartedly support your cause and fully agree with what my fellow cast members here have said. Keep going girl and good luck! Luv, Trev x .
There will be a video message from Mr. Steedman sometime tomorrow as well!
Another step ahead! Congrats everyone!!!
WEIRZZZBOOOOWSSSKIIII!
You know... I don't really understand the problem here. I mean.. I'm not sexist or anything, in fact im a big supporter to woman, but FFS you play as a marine in first person mode. Does it really matter? It doesn't make the game a "sausagefest".. This is a shooter/suspense game, not an RPG.
Again, I honestly wouldn't care if they did end up putting female marines or if they didn't. I'm not against it, just not with it. It just seems like a waste of time.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Aug 27, 2012, 01:26:36 AM
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Aaaarrrr, absolute BADASSES!
HOLY SHIT IS THIS REAL LIFE?!
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Sep 01, 2012, 02:39:19 AM
You know... I don't really understand the problem here. I mean.. I'm not sexist or anything, in fact im a big supporter to woman, but FFS you play as a marine in first person mode. Does it really matter? It doesn't make the game a "sausagefest".. This is a shooter/suspense game, not an RPG.
Again, I honestly wouldn't care if they did end up putting female marines or if they didn't. I'm not against it, just not with it. It just seems like a waste of time.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Aug 27, 2012, 01:26:36 AM
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Aaaarrrr, absolute BADASSES!
HOLY SHIT IS THIS REAL LIFE?!
I respect your points Sinister Serenity :)
However, ALIENS is about strong females, the Colonial Marines are a unisex fighting force, meaning Men and Women are equals, and a "true sequel" needs to represent this. Also, it is time that more females are represented in shooters, what better game than A:CM?
And yes, Mr. "ADC" snapped this photo of the cast posing to promote the petition! :)
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Sep 01, 2012, 02:39:19 AM
You know... I don't really understand the problem here. I mean.. I'm not sexist or anything, in fact im a big supporter to woman, but FFS you play as a marine in first person mode. Does it really matter? It doesn't make the game a "sausagefest".. This is a shooter/suspense game, not an RPG.
Again, I honestly wouldn't care if they did end up putting female marines or if they didn't. I'm not against it, just not with it. It just seems like a waste of time.
Regardless...it's always better to see diversity in Multi-player, especially in an ALIENS game. f**king AvP 2010 was getting EXTREMELY old seeing the same bald marine running around. If you don't think diversity is important than I guess you would just like to see the same character model in every FPS game when playing multi-player, trust me...it makes a difference because otherwise it's just completely stale.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Sep 01, 2012, 02:52:19 AM
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Sep 01, 2012, 02:39:19 AM
You know... I don't really understand the problem here. I mean.. I'm not sexist or anything, in fact im a big supporter to woman, but FFS you play as a marine in first person mode. Does it really matter? It doesn't make the game a "sausagefest".. This is a shooter/suspense game, not an RPG.
Again, I honestly wouldn't care if they did end up putting female marines or if they didn't. I'm not against it, just not with it. It just seems like a waste of time.
Regardless...it's always better to see diversity in Multi-player, especially in an ALIENS game. f**king AvP 2010 was getting EXTREMELY old seeing the same bald marine running around. If you don't think diversity is important than I guess you would just like to see the same character model in every FPS game when playing multi-player, trust me...it makes a difference because otherwise it's just completely stale.
I've already seen the same Russian guy running around in call of duty for the past three years, diversity would a very, VERY welcome thing in my book
Don't get me wrong, I like diversity.
I wouldn't mind female marines at all, in fact, I would like that.
So then the only argument you have against it is because it seems like a waste of time?
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, lets try not to give Sinister a hard time for sharing theirs :)
I am sure they meant to harm or disrespect to this :)
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Sep 01, 2012, 02:56:54 AM
I wouldn't mind female marines at all, in fact, I would like that.
All is well, and Thanks for your support!
Hopefully we will see female marines fighting alongside the male marines in the hives!, *Fingers crossed!!!*
I SAID EVERYBODY CROSS YOUR FINGERS!!!! GRRRRWAAAAAAAHHHH!!! hahaha, just kidding!
If we end up getting female skins for multi-player, I suggest that we all play Escape mode as purely female and record it if we can.
I have a Hauppauge!, but I'm on PS3, although if enough of my forum buddies want me to, I might get it for 360 as well. I suck on 360 though, damn controller with my little weak hands!
Hmm, on that image I think I can see Ferro, Dietrich, Wierzbowski and Apone(?) but I'm really not sure who the big guy on the left is?
By the way, I'll be getting this on PS3 no matter the outcome/reviews so if you need someone to ensure that the Aliens "Get Some!!" I'd be happy to join you and anyone else who's stuck for teammates.
Black guy is Frost. Last guy is Daniel Kash I believe - Spunkmeyer.
Quote from: FightFinda on Sep 01, 2012, 01:07:20 PM
Hmm, on that image I think I can see Ferro, Dietrich, Wierzbowski and Apone(?) but I'm really not sure who the big guy on the left is?
By the way, I'll be getting this on PS3 no matter the outcome/reviews so if you need someone to ensure that the Aliens "Get Some!!" I'd be happy to join you and anyone else who's stuck for teammates.
Left to right: Wierzbowski, Dietrich, Frost, Ferro & Spunkmeyer
And if you are offering friendship to me, FOR SURE!!! Haha
Thanks for the clarification, I really thought the far-right was Wierzbowski, oh well.
Of course Moosh, a stranger is just a friend I haven't met :). It would be good if, when a playerbase gets established, we could have a gaggle of AVPGers all yelling "LET'S ROOOOCCKK!!" hehe.
f**king congratulations Moosh! I cannot tell you how inspiring it is to see someone from our community rallying us together for a single cause, and making that cause succeed. I respect you completely and all I can say now is that I am honored to have played my part in this by having my signature in the petition.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Sep 02, 2012, 04:46:59 AM
f**king congratulations Moosh! I cannot tell you how inspiring it is to see someone from our community rallying us together for a single cause, and making that cause succeed. I respect you completely and all I can say now is that I am honored to have played my part in this by having my signature in the petition.
^ ^ I second this
also Moosh's name for the contest your name in A:CM
http://blogs.sega.com/2012/08/10/aliens-colonial-marines-your-name-featured-in-the-game/ (http://blogs.sega.com/2012/08/10/aliens-colonial-marines-your-name-featured-in-the-game/)
We all want our name on ACM but I believe that no one else deserve this geek reward more than Moosh
Congratz from Mexico ;)
Just to clarify everyone, I believe we jumped the gun a little bit here with the celebrations.
I would still prepare for bad news regarding playable females. As a friend pointed out, the interviewer does not say explicitly "playable females". I have been on my iPhone all night reading the forums so I will re-edit first thing tomorrow when I can get on my laptop again :)
If it is bad news I still have big plans for the petition, don't worry!
So hope for the best, prepare for the worst!
Wierzbowski :)
in the multiplayer the female playable character could be implemented anytime, im not sure about the storyline, even more if the main character has dialogues in it...
Quote from: FightFinda on Sep 01, 2012, 01:07:20 PM
Hmm, on that image I think I can see Ferro, Dietrich, Wierzbowski and Apone(?) but I'm really not sure who the big guy on the left is?
By the way, I'll be getting this on PS3 no matter the outcome/reviews so if you need someone to ensure that the Aliens "Get Some!!" I'd be happy to join you and anyone else who's stuck for teammates.
from left to right - Wierzbowski, Dietrich, Frost, Ferro, Spunkmeyer
Just saw the Steedman video, Moosh. It's blowing me away how much support you've been able to get for this petition. It's really an inspiring thing. You're one of the best people on this forum, for sure. :)
Quote from: Moosh89 on Sep 02, 2012, 08:17:15 AM
Just to clarify everyone, I believe we jumped the gun a little bit here with the celebrations.
I would still prepare for bad news regarding playable females. As a friend pointed out, the interviewer does not say explicitly "playable females". I have been on my iPhone all night reading the forums so I will re-edit first thing tomorrow when I can get on my laptop again :)
If it is bad news I still have big plans for the petition, don't worry!
So hope for the best, prepare for the worst!
All in all, be prepared. Got ya, Moosh!
Wait, so this whole females in multiplayer thing was started by the Moosh89 chick, here in AvPGalaxy?
That's me ;D
;)
And to think My first initial goal 3 months ago was 100 signatures.... hahaha!
Goddamn. I just checked it. Almost 4000. Good for u sister. Metroid & Alien have been my series of choice ever since I was little, so I fully understand the importance of strong, unsexualized female portrayals. Good to see someone getting something done in such a big way.
Nice work, Moosh.
Quote from: Moosh89 on Sep 02, 2012, 08:17:15 AM
Just to clarify everyone, I believe we jumped the gun a little bit here with the celebrations.
I would still prepare for bad news regarding playable females. As a friend pointed out, the interviewer does not say explicitly "playable females". I have been on my iPhone all night reading the forums so I will re-edit first thing tomorrow when I can get on my laptop again :)
If it is bad news I still have big plans for the petition, don't worry!
So hope for the best, prepare for the worst!
JUMP THE GUN NO MORE
Quote from: ikarop on Sep 02, 2012, 11:10:54 PM
A playable female marine, as well as other playable characters, just got announced:
http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=145411 (http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=145411)
QuoteDemarcus, Jennifer and Guillermo appear as playable characters in co-op. When playing through the campaign in co-op, the host controls Winter with the rest of the party able to choose between players Demarcus, Jennifer and Guillermo -- complete with a variety of customization elements we'll have more on later.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOjsXA.jpg&hash=cad5971449c205a32455848f367e14767f2cee5b)
Congrats again, Moosh!
Thanks!
While that is extremely great news, I hope that isn't all the news regarding this that will be revealed today!
Still hoping for a completely customizable experience for both Males and Females, Like Head (and maybe hair!), Skin, Body (Slim/thicker) Armour customization, etc... in the COMPETITIVE multiplayer!
Thanks again for sharing!!
That's what I'm hoping for too.
Quote from: ChrisF;2708666I am happy to be able to confirm that female marines are playable in competitive multiplayer as well as co-op, complete with customization elements. This is something the team has been planning and working on for quite some time, and that work is finally at the point where we can confirm it will indeed ship with the game when it releases on February 12, 2013.
Hoping its like I listed!!
Anyway, Congrats for real this time!!!
:)
Quote from: Moosh89 on Sep 02, 2012, 11:34:01 PM
Quote from: ChrisF;2708666I am happy to be able to confirm that female marines are playable in competitive multiplayer as well as co-op, complete with customization elements. This is something the team has been planning and working on for quite some time, and that work is finally at the point where we can confirm it will indeed ship with the game when it releases on February 12, 2013.
Hoping its like I listed!!
Anyway, Congrats for real this time!!!
f**king confirmed multi-player, f**k yes!!!
Playable females! I am so happy right now.
Thank you Moosh, and everyone who supported this.
http://kotaku.com/5939939/despite-accusations-aliens-colonial-marines-will-indeed-have-female-marines-gearbox-says (http://kotaku.com/5939939/despite-accusations-aliens-colonial-marines-will-indeed-have-female-marines-gearbox-says)
This matches with what I was told. Minus the bit about Brian Burleson which I never heard before. Nice to see them talk about it openly.
This news just makes me so f**king happy. Being able to write on my gear?! AWESOME
QuoteThe online controversy was first stirred by a post-E3 interview where senior producer Brian Burleson had claimed there were no playable female characters. What he meant, Pitchford told me, was that there were no playable characters in the E3 demo, which only featured team deathmatch
Backpedal much...
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2012, 11:58:54 PM
QuoteThe online controversy was first stirred by a post-E3 interview where senior producer Brian Burleson had claimed there were no playable female characters. What he meant, Pitchford told me, was that there were no playable characters in the E3 demo, which only featured team deathmatch
Backpedal much...
Dammit! haha, I wish there was a like button on these forums!!! hahahaha, no kidding :)
Quote from: ikarop on Sep 02, 2012, 11:45:01 PM
http://kotaku.com/5939939/despite-accusations-aliens-colonial-marines-will-indeed-have-female-marines-gearbox-says (http://kotaku.com/5939939/despite-accusations-aliens-colonial-marines-will-indeed-have-female-marines-gearbox-says)
This matches with what I was told. Minus the bit about Brian Burleson which I never heard before. Nice to see them talk about it openly.
I hope you can write swears on you're gear, I wanna have Bad Motherf***er written on my chest! :laugh: It would be cool too if you chose or make a symbol to put on your gear like the skull Hudson has on his armour!
Quote from: Predaker on Sep 02, 2012, 11:39:09 PM
Playable females! I am so happy right now.
Thank you Moosh, and everyone who supported this.
Hear, hear. And thanks to the AVPG staff for posting the Wierzbowski video. Well done to Melissa of course and everyone that signed the petition. It's heartening to know that a petition with fan and cast interaction can actually make a difference. Wow.
I guess congratulations are in order. Though gearbox won't admit it, I truly believe mooshs efforts are what turned the tide. Without her perseverance I really doubt that gearbox would have been making the announcements we've seen today.
Yeah, most people will inevitably look this over, but it really is a big deal that this started from a small fan-site from one person.
Their comments are damage control, I think. They claim they weren't ready to reveal this new info yet, but they did it anyway because of the growing petition.
Why wasn't it ready to be shown? Maybe because they just started working on it... ;)
Regardless, I am ecstatic. Thanks again to all supporters!
Quote from: Sexy Poot on Sep 03, 2012, 12:57:08 AM
Yeah, most people will inevitably look this over, but it really is a big deal that this started from a small fan-site from one person.
That is hard to believe ;D, but the truth actually is
it was a combined effort! ;D
Special Thanks to ADC for making that awesome video appeal!!!
Everyone should check out his site!, He has an interesting Aliens Documentary coming soon that I can't wait to see!
What a whirlwind!
I just finished emailing/facebooking/tweeting the cast some nice "Thank you"s!
My fingers are gonna fall off!!!
Congrats, Moosh!
This is splendid news!
Good job, Moosh. We're all proud of you. You sure as hell deserve it.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-09-03-aliens-colonial-marines-will-feature-playable-female-characters-in-competitive-multiplayer-and-co-op (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-09-03-aliens-colonial-marines-will-feature-playable-female-characters-in-competitive-multiplayer-and-co-op)
Awesome, thanks for your hard work in helping this along, Moosh!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F07%2Fpvt-vasquez.jpg&hash=ce825b92a2181e604778a995274c9726a0d522db)
Can't wait to take advantage of this in the game...
We done it y'all!
SOLID.
fist bumps to everyone.. but specially to Moosh! :)
While I love the fact you made the devs consider and implement this Moosh...something rubs the wrong way.(just a little) If you had hold a petition for a SDK/modding tools were we could mod the game so it had female characters...that would make more sense to me imo. And would actually prolong the lifespan of game as we could implement all sorts of new content.
None the less its quite the achievement to get something done on community demand within the realm of Sega. Congrats.
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2012, 11:58:54 PM
QuoteThe online controversy was first stirred by a post-E3 interview where senior producer Brian Burleson had claimed there were no playable female characters. What he meant, Pitchford told me, was that there were no playable characters in the E3 demo, which only featured team deathmatch
Backpedal much...
Pitchford also denied they weren't including female Marines in the multiplayer (he skirted the question with his answer, pointing to the single player, when multiplayer was the issue). Talk about damage control. Well done everyone :)
http://kotaku.com/5939939/despite-accusations-aliens-colonial-marines-will-indeed-have-female-marines-gearbox-says?tag=aliens (http://kotaku.com/5939939/despite-accusations-aliens-colonial-marines-will-indeed-have-female-marines-gearbox-says?tag=aliens)
Aliens: Colonial Marines Will Indeed Have Female Characters, Gearbox Says
Tina Amini
You'll be able to play and customize lady marines in Aliens: Colonial Marines, developer Gearbox assured fans during a panel at PAX Prime today. You can hop in the clunky metal shoes of Jennifer Redding during co-op play and even customize an array of female avatars for competitive multiplayer.
Gearbox didn't want to announce anything today, but they felt they had to, CEO Randy Pitchford told me in a recent meeting. The decision to reveal the remaining three cooperative characters (including Redding, who you can see in the above concept art) came as a reaction to a growing online petition that accused the first-person shooter of excluding both playable female characters and female character customization in competitive play.
The petition, which currently holds over 3,800 signatures, appears to be supported by several of the 1986 Aliens film's actors and actresses that performed the roles of marines.
The online controversy was first stirred by a post-E3 interview where senior producer Brian Burleson had claimed there were no playable female characters. What he meant, Pitchford told me, was that there were no playable characters in the E3 demo, which only featured team deathmatch.
It was always the plan to include playable female characters, Pitchford told me. Working with female avatar builds, he explained, is beneficial for both visual diversity—animations and silhouettes that differ from male characters—as well as gameplay diversity. Females have a different skeleton and therefore move differently than the male marines.
Competitive multiplayer will feature a whole range of both male and female characters, all of which can be customized. You'll be able to write on your gear, customize your armor, and even attach a flamethrower to your pulse rifle if you felt so inclined.
Because the announcement is earlier than the team expected, some details are still being ironed out. Subtleties ranging from mohawk hairstyles to the stance of the lead co-op hero are subject to change. But Gearbox felt the need to clarify that there will indeed be both a playable female marine in co-op, as well as customizable female avatars in the game's competitive multiplayer mode.
Quote from: Hemi on Sep 03, 2012, 09:22:52 AM
While I love the fact you made the devs consider and implement this Moosh...something rubs the wrong way.(just a little) If you had hold a petition for a SDK/modding tools were we could mod the game so it had female characters...that would make more sense to me imo. And would actually prolong the lifespan of game as we could implement all sorts of new content.
None the less its quite the achievement to get something done on community demand within the realm of Sega. Congrats.
Thanks for the kind words Hemi (I really enjoy your work by the way)
However a large amount of the sales (including mine which might be for two consoles) is from console players. Consoles get left out of cool mods and many of us can't afford gaming PCs
Thanks for the kind words everyone!
Quote from: Stringer2355 on Sep 03, 2012, 04:36:08 PM
You'll be able to write on your gear,
Lol! If its freely writing well... here comes the whining :laugh: Some guys will draw a penis or a swastika or the SS logo or something, then someone will report them. The GBX will start to ban these people for 72 hours or something, but still this is not going to stop anybody for doing funny pictures on their gear. 3 months later they will disable the free writing system and we will have just pre-sets. I am ok with this. But why they bother including such feature if they already know what will happen? :laugh: I mean it always happen like that with the "open" creation tools ::) I can't to see what will happen with this feature ^^
Congratulations Moosh! You did it! You rallied the fans together, the Aliens cast, and other gamers. You showed the world that with enough dedication and perseverance that one person can make a difference.
You really did something great here for fans of the film and women everywhere.
Good job! You should be so proud. :D
Thank you so much!
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A reply to the Thank you letter I sent Ms. Hiller!:
Quote'this is great news for all dynamic fans of Aliens. Especially the ladies!
Corp Ferro
Quote from: Moosh89 on Sep 03, 2012, 05:46:31 PM
Thank you so much!
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A reply to the Thank you letter I sent Ms. Hiller!:
Quote'this is great news for all dynamic fans of Aliens. Especially the ladies!
Corp Ferro
:D
I agree about the SDK. These aren't "magical blocks" in the game as they were in 1999, they are very complex art assets. And giving the public the means to crack open this game in which developers spent quiet alot of budget on is defeating the purpose of the effort. Besides to fully utilize an SDK of this scope requires the equivalent of a post- college diploma (yes there are game development certs out there) to get the most out of it.
To have the public slap on boobs and wigs into the game is a travesty.
Quote from: Moosh89 on Sep 03, 2012, 04:37:21 PM
Quote from: Hemi on Sep 03, 2012, 09:22:52 AM
While I love the fact you made the devs consider and implement this Moosh...something rubs the wrong way.(just a little) If you had hold a petition for a SDK/modding tools were we could mod the game so it had female characters...that would make more sense to me imo. And would actually prolong the lifespan of game as we could implement all sorts of new content.
None the less its quite the achievement to get something done on community demand within the realm of Sega. Congrats.
Thanks for the kind words Hemi (I really enjoy your work by the way)
However a large amount of the sales (including mine which might be for two consoles) is from console players. Consoles get left out of cool mods and many of us can't afford gaming PCs
Thanks for the kind words everyone!
BOOOOO!!! Great wasting more time and pushing the release date further. WAY TO GO....
Quote from: acrediblesource on Sep 03, 2012, 06:21:57 PM
I agree about the SDK. These aren't "magical blocks" in the game as they were in 1999, they are very complex art assets. And giving the public the means to crack open this game in which developers spent quiet alot of budget on is defeating the purpose of the effort. Besides to fully utilize an SDK of this scope requires the equivalent of a post- college diploma (yes there are game development certs out there) to get the most out of it.
Tripwire Interactive are using the same engine but they released SDK for Red Orchestra 2 soon after the release.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Sep 03, 2012, 06:23:25 PM
BOOOOO!!! Great wasting more time and pushing the release date further. WAY TO GO....
LULZ, the released date hasn't been pushed back, and if it has been...too bad.
Well Gearbox is dealing With FOX so.....
and Unreal Ed can be downloaded for free. Its FOX intellectual property that they don't want floating about in cyberspace which is totally understandable.
And i'm sure they haven't pushed it back considerably. They probably had a female marine in MP on their to-do list considering that there are females marines in the movie and a selection screen like this would be terribly lacking with out this alternative. It be like 1999 all over again.
Quote from: WinterActual on Sep 03, 2012, 06:24:35 PM
Quote from: acrediblesource on Sep 03, 2012, 06:21:57 PM
I agree about the SDK. These aren't "magical blocks" in the game as they were in 1999, they are very complex art assets. And giving the public the means to crack open this game in which developers spent quiet alot of budget on is defeating the purpose of the effort. Besides to fully utilize an SDK of this scope requires the equivalent of a post- college diploma (yes there are game development certs out there) to get the most out of it.
Tripwire Interactive are using the same engine but they released SDK for Red Orchestra 2 soon after the release.
FOX and SEGA are idiots. No one is stealing from them. Every mod maker is making this stuff for free and its open to everyone to try it. Whats FOX problem with that? Omg.. >:(
SDKs are not that hard to make. sometimes they are just lite versions of the professional tools developers use, which means all they have to do is apply a couple scripts, other times they are just executables coded to decompress and unpack the game files into workable junk. both those things can be done by someone else with time and a little knowledge, and a lot of people can do that. and then they can share freely.
whatever, if people managed to take the assets of AvP2010, then they sure ass hell are going to work just fine without an SDK. it's just a matter of tipping hat to the community and actually wanting it to grow and extend itself further. however, this means they can't release outrageously poor DLC or churm out a sequel that's barely any improvement, so that's why you don't see games with them nowadays.
They aren't even going to release a collector's edition for PC in NA, so I don't think they would spend the time to develop an SDK for the PC gaming community.
...and A:CM has not been pushed back to add playable females + black marines. According to gearbox, they planned this all along. :P
It's great that this got pushed through but now i hope all the female marines arent super model-skinny like that concept art is showing.
When the game comes out we should all just game women avatars as a celebration.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Sep 03, 2012, 06:23:25 PM
BOOOOO!!! Great wasting more time and pushing the release date further. WAY TO GO....
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Huh? Your point is both invalid and obnoxious. Firstly, we can be certain that GBX will not push the release date back further as a result of this petition as they have already claimed that they have been working on including playable females for a while now. To push the date back now would confirm that this statement was an outright lie and they were basically a bunch of ingnorant assholes - not good for sales.
Secondly, your point is obnoxious and completely ignorant as it appears to me that you are blatently trying to be negative with no foundations to support that opinion, AND Moosh here; who single-handedly managed to create a petition and recieve 3900 signatures beyond her initial target to support her goal, along with the support of myriad of cast members from the actual movie; clearly deserves more than this imbecilic outburst.
I was originally against this petition as I had similar worries to you in that I believed, if they hadn't already begun development, it would do more harm than good; but I managed to push that opinion aside and become more empathetic rather than insulting.
We all have our opinions, I agree, I'm just saying yours is stupid.
that post was beautiful.
Quote from: FightFinda on Sep 03, 2012, 09:55:39 PM
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Sep 03, 2012, 06:23:25 PM
BOOOOO!!! Great wasting more time and pushing the release date further. WAY TO GO....
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Huh? Your point is both invalid and obnoxious. Firstly, we can be certain that GBX will not push the release date back further as a result of this petition as they have already claimed that they have been working on including playable females for a while now. To push the date back now would confirm that this statement was an outright lie and were basically a bunch of ingnorant assholes - not good for sales.
Secondly, your point is obnoxious and completely ignorant as it appears to me that your are blatently trying to be negative with know foundations to support that opinion, AND Moosh here; who single-handedly managed to create a petition and recieve 3900 signatures beyond her initial target to support her goal, along with the support of myriad of cast members from the actual movie; clearly deserves more than this imbecilic outburst.
I was originally against this petition as I had similar worries to you in that I believed, if they hadn't already begun development, it would do more harm than good; but I managed to push that opinion aside and become more empathetic rather than insulting.
We all have our opinions, I agree, I'm just saying yours is stupid.
Well f**king said.
Quote from: FightFinda on Sep 03, 2012, 09:55:39 PM
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Sep 03, 2012, 06:23:25 PM
BOOOOO!!! Great wasting more time and pushing the release date further. WAY TO GO....
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Huh? Your point is both invalid and obnoxious. Firstly, we can be certain that GBX will not push the release date back further as a result of this petition as they have already claimed that they have been working on including playable females for a while now. To push the date back now would confirm that this statement was an outright lie and they were basically a bunch of ingnorant assholes - not good for sales.
Secondly, your point is obnoxious and completely ignorant as it appears to me that you are blatently trying to be negative with no foundations to support that opinion, AND Moosh here; who single-handedly managed to create a petition and recieve 3900 signatures beyond her initial target to support her goal, along with the support of myriad of cast members from the actual movie; clearly deserves more than this imbecilic outburst.
I was originally against this petition as I had similar worries to you in that I believed, if they hadn't already begun development, it would do more harm than good; but I managed to push that opinion aside and become more empathetic rather than insulting.
We all have our opinions, I agree, I'm just saying yours is stupid.
Shit, I tip my hat to you sir
Haha, Thanks for that FightFinda!
Haters gonna hate!
Wooo Hoooo 8) Justice is done.
Quote from: FightFinda on Sep 03, 2012, 09:55:39 PM
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Sep 03, 2012, 06:23:25 PM
BOOOOO!!! Great wasting more time and pushing the release date further. WAY TO GO....
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Huh? Your point is both invalid and obnoxious. Firstly, we can be certain that GBX will not push the release date back further as a result of this petition as they have already claimed that they have been working on including playable females for a while now. To push the date back now would confirm that this statement was an outright lie and they were basically a bunch of ingnorant assholes - not good for sales.
Secondly, your point is obnoxious and completely ignorant as it appears to me that you are blatently trying to be negative with no foundations to support that opinion, AND Moosh here; who single-handedly managed to create a petition and recieve 3900 signatures beyond her initial target to support her goal, along with the support of myriad of cast members from the actual movie; clearly deserves more than this imbecilic outburst.
I was originally against this petition as I had similar worries to you in that I believed, if they hadn't already begun development, it would do more harm than good; but I managed to push that opinion aside and become more empathetic rather than insulting.
We all have our opinions, I agree, I'm just saying yours is stupid.
Well said 8) :)
Quote from: acrediblesource on Sep 03, 2012, 06:35:47 PM
Well Gearbox is dealing With FOX so.....
and Unreal Ed can be downloaded for free. Its FOX intellectual property that they don't want floating about in cyberspace which is totally understandable.
Its not. Allot of us just want to prolong the legacy of the game with modding. And regarding the console debate :
http://ignitegt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/IgniteGT-PC-gaming-vs-CONSOLE-gaming1.png (http://ignitegt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/IgniteGT-PC-gaming-vs-CONSOLE-gaming1.png)
So yeah...It would be very...very...wise to release an SDK.
EDIT : and thats an old research. This year alone a million copies were sold by releasing a mod (DayZ) for a 3 year old game. So yeah..... I would release a SDK if I were them.
I personally don't care as I won't be using Multiplayer much anyway.
Pretty cool stuff. I'm going to Indianapolis this weekend for the HorrorHound event and will be able to get a picture with Goldstein and Scott. I guess I can personally thank them for their campaigning.
Just got a retweet from Vasquez!!!
https://twitter.com/jenettebras/status/243161704362569728 (https://twitter.com/jenettebras/status/243161704362569728)
QuoteYES!!! RT @MOOSH_89: @jenettebras Thank you so much for your support for Playable Females!, The petition is a success! http://bit.ly/QebGuw (http://bit.ly/QebGuw)
That's really nice to hear back from Ms.Goldstein with a little showing of camaraderie, what a considerate person :).
About damn time...and LET'S ROCK!!! :D
"Right on, Vas."
You'd think Pitchford would've taken this as an opportunity to exclaim how close Gearbox are with the fans and that they listen to our feedback rather than shrugging it off as something amusing.
I've said something similar in the gbx forums, about gbx using this whole fem marines shit as opportunity to add some credits on their acc for pleasing the "fans" and the feminist groups and I got banned :laugh: What a nice devs aren't they? ::)
Quote from: WinterActual on Sep 10, 2012, 10:27:29 AM
I've said something similar in the gbx forums, about gbx using this whole fem marines shit as opportunity to add some credits on their acc for pleasing the "fans" and the feminist groups and I got banned :laugh: What a nice devs aren't they? ::)
Really? that's shocking! ::)
Haha you know I'm kidding :laugh:, but seriously that does sound a bit harsh considering you were only expressing your opinion and... well... saying what everyone else was thinking to be honest. It turns out we were wrong anyway, and as PsyKore quite rightly said, they opted to claim they had it in there all along and that we were ignorant to not get on to that fact! >:(
Put it this way, I was watching that 30 minute long interview with Brian a couple of days ago (which ikarop was kind enough to post up) and he blatently said (when asked if there would be playable female marines in the game by someone called Vasquez-something funnily enough) that there would absolutely be NO playable marines, and no Mr. Pitchford, he did not say there would be no playable females in the
demo they were showing! nor do I give a flying f*ck if there was a female on the cover art - if a dev says there's no playable females; that is obviously what I am going to believe, perhaps you should check with the provider of that inaccurate information before you claim "I don't know where you got that from".
Sorry for that little rant but after seeing that interview first-hand, I have to admit, I felt downright insulted after Randy's ingnorant comments on the matter, and Moosh likely took that worse than me but neverless it was him who looked the unaware. ;)
Has anyone seen the King of Queens episode where Doug invited his new neighbours over to his house and was given scotch that, after tasting it, he didn't like and decided to pour it down the sink (unknown to him) in plain view of the guest he recieved it from...then... even after he knew he had been caught in the act, he continued to deny that he poured it down the sink and protested that he had drank it! Yep, that's what Randy's reaction to this matter reminded be of, to be perfectly honest.
Quote from: WinterActual on Sep 10, 2012, 10:27:29 AM
pleasing the "fans" and the feminist groups
don't forget the console fanboys too, since their definition of a "mod" is this :
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jk jk...ill go sit on my pc-elite naughty step now :P
Does anyone else think that PS3 looks like a load of muddy leaves smushed into the ground in the woods?
Quote from: Hemi on Sep 11, 2012, 08:12:47 AM
don't forget the console fanboys too, since their definition of a "mod" is this :
What the console fanboys have to do with the female chars? Sorry I just didn't get your point :laugh:
I remember actually being in that live-chat and posting as 'Vasquez' to ask if female marines would be included, but even with all the drama that ensued from my innocent enough curiosity, I'm glad that they had female marines after-all.
I don't mind and I'm actually pretty used to playing as dudes for my 'avatar' in various games, just seems a nice touch to have the option.
Although I'm a bit more involved than just that one question now, as hopefully will be revealed on the facebook page soon.
Quote from: Queeny Pants on Sep 12, 2012, 08:25:39 PM
just seems a nice touch to have the option.
This option will be abused to hell because the females have smaller frame, which means they are harder to hit. In 99% of the cases the females in the competitive mp games are considered as cheating because they give an unfair advantage to the players. Halo is fine example of the opposite - the elites have bigger frame which makes them easier to hit and this gives advantage to the enemy players. Its gonna be the same with ACM. The whole marine team will go females because they will be harder to grab, pounce and spit on.
Unfortunately I've seen that done before, but a lot of developers take the sensible option of at least trying to keep the hit-boxes roughly the same on both models.
Keyword here is trying, sadly..