A:R retrospective thread

[[cancerblack]]

So I guess the queen squeezed into those little pods the abducted hosts were held in, and laid each egg individually in those too before moving to the next.

[SM]

And she stuck her arse though one of those small doors above the elevator shaft, laying eggs (after she started a second cycle no less) while shouting 'BOMBS AWAY!!!'

And then there are things that create contradictions between the presented things and events, for example, the "only route" becomes false the moment Call falls back into the water and in less than five minutes she takes another route to the escape door, which is several floors higher. So the heroes' route through the chamber wasn't the only one, there was another, significantly faster route that Call used. So all interpretations of the scene become false.

Call is a robot who can go places humans can't.

[BeeHooKoo]

Call is a robot who can go places humans can't.

We don't know, is Call able to go places where humans can't, so that's your assumption - again don't dictate your own imagination as facts.

We do know that Call went around the chamber in less than 5 minutes, so there was another route. 


Based on Call's actions in the film, we see that she runs and moves normally like a human. In the scene with the newborn, she doesn't show any special powers, or she's not particularly strong in any way. Her escape from Newborn to the low space in the scene does not show any special abilities. She goes into the space like a human (crawling, and just rolling), she stumbles and moves out clumsily like a human...and as a robot in the scene, she's even hysterically scared like a human.

If the Call -robot is able to go up several floors higher and circle around the structures of the ship in less than 5 minutes, then it could easily assume that Calls movements against the newborn would be superior, EXTREMELY FAST...something totally different than what we all can witness in the film.

[SM]

Robots can still operate when shot in the chest or dismembered. You don't need to have that much imagination to make the very simple deduction she can go places humans can't - like pipe or tunnel that was too hot, too cold or too flooded for a human being.

Yes there was another route.  One for an android.

She runs and moves like a normal human because most of the time she's masquerading as a human.

[SiL]

She can also clearly open doors the others can't.

[SM]

Also that.

[BeeHooKoo]

Robots can still operate when shot in the chest or dismembered. You don't need to have that much imagination to make the very simple deduction she can go places humans can't - like pipe or tunnel that was too hot, too cold or too flooded for a human being.

Yes there was another route.  One for an android.

She runs and moves like a normal human because most of the time she's masquerading as a human.

Where in the movie does it say that Call went into a pipe or tunnel that was hot, cold, or flooded? ..where in the movie does it say that Call can do the things you mentioned? ...in reality, Call crawls "human speed" in the Newborn scene, even though it's not even a cramped space like tunnel or pipe.

And it's not about whether robots can still function when shot in the chest or dismembered, or whether they can open doors using a fake identity in a spray (like any human). Connecting to a central computer and open doors with that is an advantage over a human, but that skill does not make Call to bypass the chamber fast.

Your claim was about Call go places where humans can't (to bypass the chamber). That's your imagination, there's no evidence for that in the movie, it just happened because illogical crappy scene with several issues.

The only fact that can be interpreted from the movie is that Call went around the rise of the floors and the structures of the ship in less than 5 minutes, so above all Call has moved fast, EXTREMELY FAST. There's no evidence in the movie of Call's special fast movement, agility, ability to go places that humans can't, etc. On the contrary, he moved in the Newborn scene like a human, normally, if not even clumsily.

And in all the scenes I'm referring to, Call has already been identified as an android, so she has no need to masquerading as a human. In fact, in the Newborn scene (and also in the scene where Wren takes her hostage), it would be to her advantage to use all the special abilities of movement that she may have, but she moved like a human, so there are no special abilities. Or are you desperately trying to explain that Call, for some very odd reason, has to pretend to be a human to Newborn? LOL

The movie doesn't tell that Call has special abilities to move better than a human, and the movie doesn't tell that it's possible either. Furthermore, the actions of the character Call in the movie don't support your claim.

You can assume what ever you want, for example that Call can go through walls and structures, or that Call can fly, or that she has the ability to teleport herself from one place to another, etc. There is no evidence for any of your assumptions - they are all just figments of your imagination, which you are desperately trying to present as fact.

The only thing that keeps getting stronger in this matter is my original statement: AR is a crappy movie, it has these stupid illogical scenes that can't be rationally justified.

[[cancerblack]]

I mean this without any intended offense or sarcasm but are you on the autism spectrum?

[SM]

You can assume what ever you want, for example that Call can go through walls and structures, or that Call can fly, or that she has the ability to teleport herself from one place to another, etc. There is no evidence for any of your assumptions - they are all just figments of your imagination, which you are desperately trying to present as fact.

No one assumed flying or walking through walls or teleporting.

It is all just figments of your imagination.

I'm just putting out possible plausible scenarios to explain the events in the film.  I'm sorry you find that upsetting.

[Local Trouble]

So let their sets be up then.

[Ingwar]

The first Alien film I saw in the cinema so I will be biased: I like it a lot.

[Local Trouble]

The third Alien film I saw in the cinema so I will be biased: I hate it a lot.

[[cancerblack]]

The first Alien film I saw in the cinema so I will be biased: I like it a lot.

I was too young to see it at the cinema, but the ads got me hype and the VHS was the second R16 film (the first being Alien) I was allowed to buy for my collection. I loved it until the newborn showed up, then I soured on it, but a few years later I started enjoying the whole thing in all its beautiful cheesy glory.

The third Alien film I saw in the cinema so I will be biased: I hate it a lot.

You don't have a great batting average going to see alien movies. Still should have gone to Romulus just so I could enjoy your whining about it though. I deserve nice things.

[SM]

You'll take your beautiful, beautiful butterfly and like it!

[Neila]

The first Alien film I saw in the cinema so I will be biased: I like it a lot.

I like a lot of things about the film and find some things rubbish.
The newborn is not one of the things that bothers me, on the contrary. From a craftsmanship point of view, the newborn is a masterpiece.

What bothers me are things that probably only nerds would criticize, like the fact that smoke comes out of the creatures' mouths, or that everything looks more like rubber than in the older films.
However, the inappropriate cheap humor is what ultimately makes it difficult to see this film as part of this great series to date.