Starring Amanda Ripley and Zula Hendricks.
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/exclusive-amanda-ripley-continues-the-resistance-in-dark-horse-comics-sequel-to-aliens (https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/exclusive-amanda-ripley-continues-the-resistance-in-dark-horse-comics-sequel-to-aliens)
Now might be a good time for me to finally read Defiance and play Isolation.
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Excellent.
I hope it's as strong as Defiance was in it's first six issues throughout this new series' entire story.
Although, it needs to be clear and defined where these Alien outbreaks are stemmed from- as it was logical in Isolation.
Isolation slotted in perfect between the events of Alien & Aliens without destroying the continuity of the films.
After Defiance's haphard appearance of the Alien and W-Y knowledge of them- the premise of this-
I don't know how the writers will handle it.
Noiceeee...
Dark Horse is picking up where Defiance left off, to tell a four-issue sequel called Aliens: Resistance that will be written by Wood and art by Robert Carey (Power Rangers, Transformers) colors by Dan Jackson (Buffy the Vampire Slayer), and letters by Nate Piekos. Regular cover art will be done by Roberto De La Torre (Ms. Marvel) and variants by Tristan Jones.
It's happening! Now we just need a Life and Death sequel.
Wait, so is this a canonical continuation of Isolation? Whilst I'd prefer a game sequel, that is still a big deal and I'd get it just for that!
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 28, 2018, 06:52:22 PM
It's happening! Now we just need a Life and Death sequel.
I'd rather see some comics that tackle Prometheus/Covenant content without the inclusion of any Predator stuff. That's the whole reason I've avoided Fire & Stone/Life & Death thus far.
Great news!!! First issue January 23rd! And the Isolation novelization comes out in January also! I'm elated! 2019 is shaping up quite nicely!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 28, 2018, 06:31:53 PM
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Just noticed, that's a Prometheus-era Weyland Corp. logo there. Some old abandoned installation, I presume?
So January is Alien: Isolation month! Novel and a sequel series! While I'm slightly disappointed it's not a new game, I am so excited we're getting a sequel in some form and we get to see more of Amanda's journey!
Digging that cover art and it's sweet that Tristan is back for the covers too. Nice he's returning in some form.
The Mrs' gets Power Ranger comics and she says the series that Robert Carey worked on was pretty good. I'll have to check out her copy when I get chance.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 28, 2018, 07:00:06 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 28, 2018, 06:31:53 PM
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Just noticed, that's a Prometheus-era Weyland Corp. logo there. Some old abandoned installation, I presume?
That or just an art goof.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 28, 2018, 06:53:53 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 28, 2018, 06:52:22 PM
It's happening! Now we just need a Life and Death sequel.
I'd rather see some comics that tackle Prometheus/Covenant content without the inclusion of any Predator stuff. That's the whole reason I've avoided Fire & Stone/Life & Death thus far.
I'd love to see them explore Prometheus on it's own too but to be fair the Predator run on Fire and Stone was the best imho.
That large structure with the Weyland Corporation logo is Tyrell Pyramid- esque.
&
I wish Tristan Jones was returning in a substantial manner, but I'm pleased to see he isn't being disregarded altogether.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 28, 2018, 07:00:16 PM
I'd love to see them explore Prometheus on it's own too but to be fair the Predator run on Fire and Stone was the best imho.
Fair. I just can't get into Alien/Predator as a shared universe at all, I guess. Not that I don't mostly enjoy Predator for what it is, but there is no appeal whatsoever squishing it with Alien for me.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 28, 2018, 07:12:25 PM
That large structure with the Weyland Corporation logo is Tyrell Pyramid- esque.
Speaking of Tyrell, I wish Titan would announce what they're doing with their Blade Runner license. We heard a few months back about comics/graphic novels, and then nada. No specifics.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 28, 2018, 07:24:22 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 28, 2018, 07:00:16 PM
I'd love to see them explore Prometheus on it's own too but to be fair the Predator run on Fire and Stone was the best imho.
Fair. I just can't get into Alien/Predator as a shared universe at all, I guess. Not that I don't mostly enjoy Predator for what it is, but there is no appeal whatsoever squishing it with Alien for me.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 28, 2018, 07:12:25 PM
That large structure with the Weyland Corporation logo is Tyrell Pyramid- esque.
Speaking of Tyrell, I wish Titan would announce what they're doing with their Blade Runner license. We heard a few months back about comics/graphic novels, and then nada. No specifics.
Agreed on that first one.
As for the second, I hope we hear something soon.
Has anyone pointed out it looks like they might be entering a Juggernaut?
It does indeed.
Tristan did hint that he wanted the story to go in that sort of direction, with Engineers or at least some Prometheus elements. Fingers crossed!
Was Zula the marine from the comics where the USCM looked like they just got done invading Baghdad in 2003?
I was in high hopes a new game with Amanda would have been a thing. But I'll take what I can get. Hopefully the comics are good enough to end up warranting a full on Novel later down the line. Game wise? I think it's safe to say we will probably never get another single player game that is on the same level as Isolation since ColdIron and FoxNext are mostly online specialists.
On the bright side, you don't have to worry about lootboxes with comics and novels :D
^ Inagine having to buy multiple issue to get the "real ending"! :laugh:
Quote from: SpanishAdam on Sep 28, 2018, 06:53:28 PM
Wait, so is this a canonical continuation of Isolation? Whilst I'd prefer a game sequel, that is still a big deal and I'd get it just for that!
It's a canonical continuation of Isolation.
This is some pretty sweet news, I just hope it has better momentum than Defiance did. Defiance's second half was... not great.
With only four issues, I imagine this will have a lot more momentum. I see it as a wrapping up of popular plot threads.
Oh I didn't read the news blurb, I didn't realize it was a limited series.
Personally I'm more interested in the Amanda Ripley side of things than the Zula side.
It will definitely be cool to see what Amanda is up to. I get a strong feeling we'll be going back to LV-426.
If "The Company" is involved- I certainly hope not.
You unravel "Aliens" entirely if W-Y is aware of the Derelict beforehand.
Whoa!
So I wonder how much co-ordination there is between the Isolation novel and Resistance. I hope they are both canon and not contradictory. Perhaps they cover similar ground? It is curious how the release dates coincide.
It is indeed.
The release dates are too coincidental for there not to have been some coordination.
It would be pretty cool if the novel mentioned Zula. That would be a cool cross-media nod.
Surprised no one has mentioned Davis yet. Hope he comes back!
I hope Davis returns, but only in a cameo if there's no appropriate place for him.
He'll probably be disembodied, maybe the equivalent of Mother for Zula and Amanda's ship.
There's no coincidence with the co-ordination.
This is THEE best news.
Despite a somewhat lacklustre ending 'defiance' was a universe expansion done right and 'isolation' was just incredible. Zula and Amanda meeting up again was how I always wanted defiance to end, I always thought it would be Zula and Davis that found Amanda floating in space. 2018 needs to hurry up and end!
Defiance is only starting while Amanda is floating in space.
Not strictly speaking true. I refer you to page 82 of volume one of the graphic novel in question.
And I accept your apology. ;)
I don't have the graphic novel, but Isolation takes place on December 11 and the Europa sets course from Sol to LV-44-40 on December 14.
I should really finish the game, what with all this sequel stuff coming out. Lol
Marines..... So sick of the marines. Especially in dark horse comics. Go ahead Make this into everything Isolation wasn't.
Quote from: SM on Sep 29, 2018, 06:52:16 AM
I don't have the graphic novel, but Isolation takes place on December 11 and the Europa sets course from Sol to LV-44-40 on December 14.
Have any of these scripts crossed your desk?
Quote from: SM on Sep 29, 2018, 06:52:16 AM
I don't have the graphic novel, but Isolation takes place on December 11 and the Europa sets course from Sol to LV-44-40 on December 14.
So page 82 goes like this:
Zula is reviewing messages on her internet machine. One is from Amanda Ripley as follows:
Zula, I'm heading off Luna soon. I'm on the Torrens, and it's sort of a crap assignment except that it'll take me to Sevastopol... maybe I can find something out about my Mom... anyway haven't seen you around for ages... and no one will tell me what you've been up to. I leave in a week, so come find me, ok?
Should be an interesting series
YES! Great news! I just hope they do Amanda's character justice and don't overdo it with the marines. As long as the characters don't do anything too stupid and things don't become convoluted in the timeline, this could be something really interesting.
There are many good looking releases on the horizon with this, the Alien Isolation novel, William Gibson's Alien 3 and Alien Echo.
And dayum that artwork is nice.
Is that Amanda Ripley running around with an M41-A pulse rifle in her hand on the cover there?
Yes.
That cover art! Tristan is incredible at capturing the tone and vibe of Alien. The Wey-Yu factory/lab in the background, the curved walls of an engineer vessel, the weaponry and of course the ferocious looking lurking alien. Hopefully Tristan being the cover artist incentivizes everyone to buy the single issues instead of waiting for the TPB.
I think that is more likely Roberto De La Torre's cover art. It doesn't even look like a Tristan Jones piece. Jones is doing the variants.
I can't wait to see those variants.
That Juggernaut doorway has me going me hoping we get a scene where Zula and Ripley find some Engineer murals and have a moment where they release how big and unknowable the universe is.
Also, on a licensing note, the fact that this has been announced and that DH's Avatar comics are finally getting off the ground would seem to bode well for them keeping the license for a good while longer.
Assuming Zula fires up Davis, I wonder how Amanda is going to enjoy his presence considering the fun times she shared with his kin back on Sevastopol. You never said anything about an android being on board! Why not?!
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 29, 2018, 04:03:09 PM
I think that is more likely Roberto De La Torre's cover art. It doesn't even look like a Tristan Jones piece. Jones is doing the variants.
You're right I see it in the angularity of the faces, but It certainly looks like a Tristan Jones inspired piece with that beautiful red reflective color.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 29, 2018, 12:06:27 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 29, 2018, 06:52:16 AM
I don't have the graphic novel, but Isolation takes place on December 11 and the Europa sets course from Sol to LV-44-40 on December 14.
So page 82 goes like this:
Zula is reviewing messages on her internet machine. One is from Amanda Ripley as follows:
Zula, I'm heading off Luna soon. I'm on the Torrens, and it's sort of a crap assignment except that it'll take me to Sevastopol... maybe I can find something out about my Mom... anyway haven't seen you around for ages... and no one will tell me what you've been up to. I leave in a week, so come find me, ok?
Can be explained by saying they didn't see each other for some time prior to both their assignments, and Zula didn't check her messages before leaving.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 29, 2018, 11:38:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 29, 2018, 06:52:16 AM
I don't have the graphic novel, but Isolation takes place on December 11 and the Europa sets course from Sol to LV-44-40 on December 14.
Have any of these scripts crossed your desk?
I couldn't possibly comment.
Artist Robert Carey has a Tumblr of you want to check out some of his art:
https://rcarey300.tumblr.com/ (https://rcarey300.tumblr.com/)
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/55d8c31d630d6d896273b73194c4f3ab/tumblr_pftkwwYteG1t5zma7o1_540.jpg)
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Gorgeous work.
Sounds and looks good, but i wish at some point at least for some story Dark Horse would stop with the 4 issues format, it makes most works seem rushed in the script aspect.
6 issues seems right to me.
A stack of Aliens stories work perfectly well with four issues.
Quote from: SM on Oct 01, 2018, 12:17:34 AM
A stack of Aliens stories work perfectly well with four issues.
It almost feels like a lost art. As you said, there's a lot of great self-contained 4-issue stories from Dark Horse's back catalog (and not just 'Aliens', but other stuff like Star Wars and Terminator) but the modern stuff like each of the Fire & Stone arcs, Dead Orbit, or Predator: Hunters (5-issues, I know) just don't feel like they hit that pacing "sweet spot" of just about any of the 90s 4-issue series. It always feels like either not enough interesting stuff happens and the series could have been condensed down to 2-3 issues, or too much is going on and it should have been stretched out to 5-6.
You have a point about the minis for the big crossovers, but things like Dead Orbit show that DH can still pull off a solid 4 issue story.
I'm not saying Dead Orbit is bad (or at least not as rough as the F&S stuff) but it doesn't feel as perfectly dialed-in as the 90s stuff to me.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Oct 01, 2018, 12:47:06 AM
You have a point about the minis for the big crossovers, but things like Dead Orbit show that DH can still pull off a solid 4 issue story.
Indeed.
Go back to even what DH were doing in 2009/10 - the four issue More Than Human worked much better than the six issue Three World War.
Mind you Xenogenesis was four issues too...
Hey, if Predator Hunters goes on long enough I'm sure it will dovetail nicely with Predator Xenogenesis. :laugh:
A 4-issue series surely can be done well. No doubt. I will say though, thinking back about the great 4-issue series of the past, I kinda wish they were 6-issue series instead. That cartainly translates better into a TPB...
They need to be as long as they need to be. The original Aliens series worked well at 6 issues. Alchemy and Survival work out alright at three issues.
I'd rather they just finish Defiance and Isolation in a nice clean mini like this, rather than try another ongoing that will get cut short.
Back to the story, it's cool that Wood is talking up the "early days of colonization" angle. I wonder if we'll see some of W-Y's early attempts are weponizing the xenos. Those U-head aliens that Tristan did a sketch of back in the day would be neat to see.
Quote from: SM on Oct 01, 2018, 01:56:25 AM
They need to be as long as they need to be. The original Aliens series worked well at 6 issues. Alchemy and Survival work out alright at three issues.
I can't argue with that. A story needs to be as long as it needs to be.
I never enjoyed the assumption that W-Y would "Weaponise the Xenomorph" It appears thoughtless and lacks creative drive.
In my personal interpretation the aqquisition was more-so in terms of designed exploitation, instead of outright military use.
I appreciate "The Cold Forge" in it's exploration of "Other" exploitation.
Im with you on that. It makes the company come off as one dimensional.
I tend to believe WY is a little more multi-faceted than that.
The comics took their lead from the films which both (at that point) said they wanted Aliens for the bio-weapons division.
Even so, Dark Horse were 10 series, 2 one-shots, numerous short stories and 7 years into their run before Weyland-Yutani explicitly rated a mention.
It would be cool if we got a Defiance - Resistance hardcover compilation... just saying.
I can see that happening. We still haven't gotten a big, single volume Defiance collection, so it's possible.
I'd love it, if Resistance is prodigious.
Via Tristan's Twitter:
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/1047582264996126720?s=21 (https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/1047582264996126720?s=21)
"I wanted Amanda Ripley to have closure."
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/1050149150791221248?s=21 (https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/1050149150791221248?s=21)
Tristan shared some more Amanda Ripley artwork.
Terror!
Tristan's variant for #1 is up!
http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2018/10/12/exclusive-aliens-resistance-1-tristan-jones-variant-revealed/ (http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2018/10/12/exclusive-aliens-resistance-1-tristan-jones-variant-revealed/)
I strongly think we'll be heading to Acheron in this series.
Perhaps.
Just please be good and congruent!
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Hot damn!
Awesome artwork!
that's f*cking beautiful!
Reminds me a bit of Kilian Plunkett's work on Labyrinth but it's still unique in it's own right and captures the Alien vibe perfectly.
That left arm is doing my head in. Is it coming out of the Alien's chest?
Sil! I can't unsee that now. Come on! ;)
I'm sorry! The knee if where the shoulder should be and the arm is just kind of appearing out of the inky blackness like a Lovecraftian tit. :P
Looking closer it actually looks like the arm was originally in the right place but has been shifted to the side. Would love to hear what happened here!
(Still a great piece!)
I rolled the arm forward in the socket a bit, like its shoulders are trying to touch each other. I don't know what it is about that version of the release but it's blown the colours out a bit. If you look at the black and white, it's clearer.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpVdlDPU0AAj6DI.jpg)
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Oct 12, 2018, 04:48:59 PM
that's f*cking beautiful!
Reminds me a bit of Kilian Plunkett's work on Labyrinth but it's still unique in it's own right and captures the Alien vibe perfectly.
I remember making the same comparison between Tristan and Plunkett when Defiance #1 and 2 were coming out. I love that art style.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 13, 2018, 04:57:17 AM
I rolled the arm forward in the socket a bit, like its shoulders are trying to touch each other. I don't know what it is about that version of the release but it's blown the colours out a bit. If you look at the black and white, it's clearer.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpVdlDPU0AAj6DI.jpg)
Oh, that's cool! Thanks for sharing. The colour version definitely crushed the shadows a bit around the top of the arm and kinda obscures what you were doing.
Love your work. Seriously some of the best artwork the series has had.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Oct 13, 2018, 04:57:17 AM
I rolled the arm forward in the socket a bit, like its shoulders are trying to touch each other. I don't know what it is about that version of the release but it's blown the colours out a bit. If you look at the black and white, it's clearer.
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Sweet
Amazing Variant.
I just checked out Robert Carey's art and it looks pretty good and is similar in style to Tristan's.
Dan Jackson on colours, as well, fills me with confidence that the book is going to be very consistent with the first half of defiance when I comes to look and atmosphere. Here's hoping that Robert can bring as much life to the page, like Tristan does so well.
Solicits are our and the first issue is at the top
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1810/22/darkhorsejan.htm
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The art is looking good! This is the upcoming series I'm most excited for, so bring on January!
Hell yeah! so excited for this.
Yes, hope the interior art stays consistent this time.
Gorgeous so far.
Yeah art looks fantastic. Cant wait for this and the gibson series.
Hey, it's one of the only good things about ACM- the weapons!
The M4RA Battle Rifle.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 05, 2018, 04:40:28 PM
Hey, it's one of the only good things about ACM- the weapons!
The M4RA Battle Rifle.
If I remember right, Tristan included the Armat sub-machinegun from A:CM in 'Aliens: Defiance', as well.
He did. The game may have been poor but the aesthetics were generally pretty cool! Loved the weaponry.
The Isolation design returns!
(https://preview.redd.it/fjyhpuanpuw11.jpg?width=769&auto=webp&s=a47fc8258ef3f617e549b255055c2f73be5883a0)
Isn't that the original Giger design?
No. I've spent long enough looking at all of them to know at a glance. lol
Look at the positioning of the pipes, the "headrest" size- the more angular jaw, and overall proportions.
The "shoulders" are much larger for instance.
Definitely the Isolation variant.
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Nah the only difference I can see is the dorsal spike is lacking a few nobbly bits.
Did the Isolation creature have the dorsal spike?
Yes, you can see it in the model image above the picture of H.R Giger's Alien.
Or look at the Isolation Alien on Google Images.
Even the shape of the back pipes match up to the Isolation version, but not Giger's Alien.
The dorsal spike is larger and longer than the pipes on Giger's Alien, on the Isolation version it's the other way around-
The headrest dorsal spike is much smaller which matches to Tristan Jones' image.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 07, 2018, 10:32:34 AM
No. I've spent long enough looking at all of them to know at a glance. lol
Look at the positioning of the pipes, the "headrest" size- the more angular jaw, and overall proportions.
The "shoulders" are much larger for instance.
Definitely the Isolation variant.
https://i.imgur.com/wp8kmBW.jpg
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DR Church? is that you?
When I look the cosmos in the eye, it blinks.
QuoteOr look at the Isolation Alien on Google Images.
Strangely enough, I did before posing the question. I found the results inconclusive.
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Both:
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Environmental coincidence? ;)
That didn't even cross my mind! It's not impossible...
But it would be dangerous to go back there (story wise) if not handled with care. It can seem cheap if the writing isn't thought through: The most recent and well received characters from the expanded universe? Check. The last place we saw in an Alien movie? Check. I hope it's a bit more complicated than that, not just by the numbers.
To be fair though, Alien Isolation's premise also sounded corny and it gave us one of the best expanses for the lore in recent years, anything can happen with this comic. I'm really exited to see where it goes!
Quote from: Still Collating... on Nov 10, 2018, 08:59:07 PM
That didn't even cross my mind! It's not impossible...
But it would be dangerous to go back there (story wise) if not handled with care. It can seem cheap if the writing isn't thought through: The most recent and well received characters from the expanded universe? Check. The last place we saw in an Alien movie? Check. I hope it's a bit more complicated than that, not just by the numbers.
To be fair though, Alien Isolation's premise also sounded corny and it gave us one of the best expanses for the lore in recent years, anything can happen with this comic. I'm really exited to see where it goes!
Well, we went back to LV-223 in the comics and it was trash
not only on it's own merit but also destroying the delicious bleakness of the Deacon dying alone on a dead world-
so I understand that fear.
But we also went back to the Derelict in Alien Isolation... so that's the counter argument.
I was going to make a wheat field comment myself but decided not to, glad someone else had the same thought. I highly doubt we'll be going back to Planet 4, but the non-variant cover does feature a Juggernaut, so hopefully we get some light Prometheus elements.
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Quote from: SM on Nov 07, 2018, 10:43:52 AM
Nah the only difference I can see is the dorsal spike is lacking a few nobbly bits.
The jaw is a big giveaway. It's square and blocky where the original was more elegant.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 10, 2018, 09:12:36 PM
Quote from: Still Collating... on Nov 10, 2018, 08:59:07 PM
That didn't even cross my mind! It's not impossible...
But it would be dangerous to go back there (story wise) if not handled with care. It can seem cheap if the writing isn't thought through: The most recent and well received characters from the expanded universe? Check. The last place we saw in an Alien movie? Check. I hope it's a bit more complicated than that, not just by the numbers.
To be fair though, Alien Isolation's premise also sounded corny and it gave us one of the best expanses for the lore in recent years, anything can happen with this comic. I'm really exited to see where it goes!
Well, we went back to LV-223 in the comics and it was trash
Strongly disagree, I thought it was really cool to see how the Black Goo had mutated the planet and its indigenous life.
The story, characters, lore, consistency of the Pathogen, ridiculous visuals (like a man melded onto the front of an Alien)-
& More made it trash, not evolving LV-223 into a jungle- that's just... whatever.
But the indigenous life shared no design consistency either and that is just, disappointing.
I found Fire & Stone to be on the whole pretty good. Even the predators weren't as offensive as I might have thought. Those predator guys are like an uncultured redneck that shows up to a formal social gathering. They spoil the vibe.
Anyway, the series tried to tackle subjects that could have easily overwhelmed it, and in fact almost did. It's really no wonder they didn't get a few things right. Keep in mind that for someone like Giger it took a lifetime of bad dreams and artistic progression to come up with one truly frightening and compelling monster. Getting the artists of a comic to get it right at their first try was a tall order.
They need to revisit LV-223 in a comic that has nothing to do with Predators.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 11, 2018, 03:14:58 PM
They need to revisit LV-223 in a comic that has nothing to do with Predators.
For sure. I found myself tolerating them, not celebrating them
I'd go even farther saying you need to scrap F&S & L&D-
Establish a continuity of events exploring the other pyramids or potential other sites on the planet-
The rotting corpse of one Engineer and a squid spider thing alongside a Neomorph (Deacon) thing.
That makes sense with the continuity of the Company desiring the Alien despite this place existing.
Whether it's bombed to shit
or the planets storms got worse and worse as an Engineer counter measure to hide everything by obliterating it,
the sands in the wind consuming the structures entirely like a biblical wave.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 11, 2018, 12:20:36 PM
The story, characters, lore, consistency of the Pathogen, ridiculous visuals (like a man melded onto the front of an Alien)-
& More made it trash, not evolving LV-223 into a jungle- that's just... whatever.
But the indigenous life shared no design consistency either and that is just, disappointing.
What do you mean "consistency of the Pathogen"?
Also I'm pretty okay with indigenous life not sharing design consistency. Life
here on earth doesn't share design consistency. :P
It just did whatever the author required, becoming sticky glue in one instance I mentioned.
The indigenous life is the biggest example of this, they come from the Pathogen in some respect
yet are completely different from the creatures we saw in Prometheus, it's almost farcical.
And unlike Covenant and Prometheus, the creatures it spawned (Hammerpede, Neomorph, Deacon)
shared no design consistency, nor mutated ones with Fifield, Holloway or the exploding Engineer.
& I'm aware that Covenant hadn't been released and the Pathogen wasn't entirely defined yet-
but that's all the more reason not to go balls to the wall.
It could've been done better in every way.
Considering how ill-defined the goo/ accelerant/ pathogen was in the first place I don't see an issue with what they did in Fire & Stone.
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2018, 01:24:06 AM
Considering how ill-defined the goo/ accelerant/ pathogen was in the first place I don't see an issue with what they did in Fire & Stone.
Exactly. The Black Goo did whatever the plot needed it to do in 'Prometheus', and frankly I don't think it needs a defined set of "rules" for what it does, how, or why. It's a weird biological weapon created by an intelligence greater than ours, who knows what it can do?
That's going to have to come down to a difference of opinion-
because for instance sticking an Alien to a human or vice versa wasn't implicated in any way in Prometheus.
Xenomorph-like pale deep-sea-ish creatures and enhanced aggression bulbous mutated exploding boys are-
present- even if you stuck to those guidelines that would be a start.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 12, 2018, 01:26:44 AM
Exactly. The Black Goo did whatever the plot needed it to do in 'Prometheus', and frankly I don't think it needs a defined set of "rules" for what it does, how, or why. It's a weird biological weapon created by an intelligence greater than ours, who knows what it can do?
So it can essentially do anything? Frankly, f**k that- it's silly and lazy.
Prometheus is a mess in regards to the Pathogen that should be recontextualised
and defined as it was partially in Covenant.
Not expanded to the absurdity of F & S.
I thought that turning the deacon into a mountain was very creative and has that story "twist" element that the Aliens series is known for. Left field lived up to itself. It really takes terraforming to a new level. Why just scrub the air when you can actually build structures genetically. By extension, the pyramids in Prometheus could literally have been grown too. They do have heads on top.
There wasn't a similar set of circumstances in Prometheus to "stick an Alien to a human".
In Prometheus we had a dude drinking the stuff and dissolving into zombie DNA, an Engineers head explodes, Holloway impregnates Shaw with cephalosperm, Fifield turns into a really cross monster, worms turn into hammerpedes. And we're assuming the Engineer drank the same stuff as was on LV-223 and the dead Engineer was in fact exposed to it.
And then when David dumps on Planet 4, it either kills them outright or makes them hosts for Neomorphs. And creates puffballs that emit motes.
"The pathogen took so many forms and was extremely mutable."
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 12, 2018, 02:03:37 AM
I thought that turning the deacon into a mountain was very creative and has that story "twist" element that the Aliens series is known for. Left field lived up to itself. It really takes terraforming to a new level. Why just scrub the air when you can actually build structures genetically. By extension, the pyramids in Prometheus could literally have been grown too. They do have heads on top.
It's too absurd to me, that's all there is to it.
Grown- sure- grown from a single organism born under convoluted circumstances
that's from a weapon designed to clean worlds?
No, not buying what you're selling.
It's the same problem I have with Elden- the partly biological android (the only one we've seen)
just happens to be around for the inspection of the black goo? C'mon.
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2018, 02:04:01 AM
There wasn't a similar set of circumstances in Prometheus to "stick an Alien to a human".
"The pathogen took so many forms and was extremely mutable."
Refusing to give this Pathogen any defined limits and using it to push the story-
That's just bad storytelling IMO. The worst kind, use it to solve any problem- create any environment or any monster,
or enhance anyone.
It's just nonsense. Prometheus is guilty too, but F & S is worse in this regard.
Considering what the films did with it, I don't see how Fire & Stone is even remotely at fault.
I do, because I see consistency- or something that could be if put in guidelines be seen as consistency in the films-
the same way, from it's physical appearance and the function of the Pathogen Covenant- redefined Prometheus' depiction of the Pathogen.
https://tinyurl.com/ya85cmgz
But I suppose it's a matter of perspective.
(& F&S is just a bad comic and a bad story altogether.)
I don't see any discrepancy between F&S and the films, except maybe the line in Covenant about the goo not effecting plant life. But even that can be handwaved to say the jungle in LV-223 wasn't actually plant life.
Or you could tie it into the motes and whatever they were coming from. Look like plant life but maybe wasn't?
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 12, 2018, 03:00:41 AM
I don't see any discrepancy between F&S and the films.
No offense but that seems positively nuts to me.
Nothing the Pathogen makes has eyes for one among many inconsistencies.
It feels like arguing with people back on the Isolation boards that the Resurrection design is not an equivalence to the Giger- design.
The Covenant creature has eye sockets at the very least. Seems like kind of a weak argument.
Do I really have to search up images of the various creatures from F&S to point out the obvious?
There are many, many, many, many- more discrepancies than that. (Some of the creatures are practically multicoloured.)
"Weak argument"- that's been part of the Alien since it's inception and all other Pathogen creatures brought to the screen.
Which simply reinforces that Fire & Stone isn't an exception when it comes to effects of the pathogen.
What?
Some of the creatures do have eyes is my point, they shouldn't. That monkey thing certainly did.
Anyway, I hope no Alien comic is like Fire and Stone in the future.
You can do the same general concept better, and it's an annoying, wasted opportunity of a reboot.
I didn't dispute that the stuff in F+S had eyes. The Alien in Covenant had eye sockets, so I find the 'Pathogen the stuff makes doesn't have eyes' a little weak.
The shark design in F&S was cool.
I honestly don't recall seeing the eye-sockets in A:C. They were about as visible as in Alien. Though I haven't invested too much time in watching that film.
They're very clear in a shot when the crane is released on the lander. Way more than any shot in Alien.
And it's not like Holloway's eyes suddenly disappeared in Prometheus.
But I do agree that the black goo being the ultimate do anything is annoying. It's one of the things I really dislike about it. I wish it did have some consistent rule-set aside from making Alien-like stuff. I personally find it to be an unsatisfying story tool.
Agreed, I'd also like for it's limits to be defined better. That goes for movies and comics too. IMO the pathogen shouldn't be able to do anything and everything.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 12, 2018, 04:38:42 AM
The shark design in F&S was cool.
I honestly don't recall seeing the eye-sockets in A:C. They were about as visible as in Alien. Though I haven't invested too much time in watching that film.
Still would like to know if there is an official name for those sharks.
Yeah you can see the sockets in a few shots, the crane scene like SM mentioned and I think the shower scene as well.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Nov 12, 2018, 12:47:18 PM
Agreed, I'd also like for it's limits to be defined better. That goes for movies and comics too. IMO the pathogen shouldn't be able to do anything and everything.
Maybe they just made a bad batch and that is what the engineers were running away from 2000 years ago? That would explain why the goo went haywire.
David probably dumped the "good batch" on the engineers in Covenant. He had time to learn of their ways.
I really liked Prometheus for that feeling of not knowing what was going to happen next. It was that same feeling as seeing Kane and crew walk into the derelict the first time. There was a sense of majesty, and awe which was somehow lost in Covenant.
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Quote from: The Old One on Nov 12, 2018, 02:34:16 AM
Refusing to give this Pathogen any defined limits and using it to push the story-
That's just bad storytelling IMO. The worst kind, use it to solve any problem- create any environment or any monster,
or enhance anyone.
It's just nonsense. Prometheus is guilty too, but F & S is worse in this regard.
"Not knowing what ______ is capable of" is one of the core tenets of 'Alien', and is a huge part of what made it scary. The more "defined" the monster got, the less scary it got. The Black Goo is no exception. If you get some splashed on you, who knows what it's going to do? Are you going to mutate into a monster and sprout 4 more arms? Are 27 more eyes going to appear all over your body? Are you going to turn to ash if anyone dares snap their fingers near you? Will it make you split into a perfect duplicate of yourself and make you fist-fight yourself? Is it going to transform you into a hermit crab? All of the above, at the same time?
I understand the perspective that it's lazy writing, but "who knows what it can do?" is kind of the point.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 12, 2018, 09:00:21 AM
And it's not like Holloway's eyes suddenly disappeared in Prometheus.
Or Fifeld's.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 07, 2018, 07:42:46 PM
Both:
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That's a sweet Alien. Where's the drawing from?
Love the head, aren't the pipe spines bigger on the original?
that is yet another wonderful panel that tristan jones drew.
@Nostromo
Instagram.
The dorsal appendages? No.
The "headrest" - Yes.
The dorsal appendages are out of proportion but the illustration is awesome.
Ive often thought about how the dorsal appendages would affect the Alien in a fight. Firstly, the lengthy head gives a lot of leverage to twist the alien's neck. Secondly, the minute the alien tilts his head, he's stuck on the central dorsal fin, or even unable to turn his head.
Sooo.... for me, it's basically one uppercut, and then I reach around to grab the back of the head and keep it stuck among the dorsal arrangement. Got him!
Arrgh! The tail! Between my legs! Owww!
That's why you stand on the tail with one foot! Think, man! Think!
Damn I almost had him this time!
In David's voice: You're such a disappointment to me.
I'm jonesing for those Feb 2019 solicitations! I need more info on this series.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 16, 2018, 06:35:49 PM
The dorsal appendages are out of proportion but the illustration is awesome.
Ive often thought about how the dorsal appendages would affect the Alien in a fight. Firstly, the lengthy head gives a lot of leverage to twist the alien's neck. Secondly, the minute the alien tilts his head, he's stuck on the central dorsal fin, or even unable to turn his head.
Sooo.... for me, it's basically one uppercut, and then I reach around to grab the back of the head and keep it stuck among the dorsal arrangement. Got him!
Arrgh! The tail! Between my legs! Owww!
They're better proportioned actually, than the original. An Isolation enhancement.
And as Isolation and Covenant showed, all the dorsal appendages are flexible and don't effect articulation.
Doubtful you'd get within reach of the head before the inner jaw, tail or claws disemboweled you.
Why can't every Alien just look like big chap, cries.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 16, 2018, 08:09:46 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 16, 2018, 06:35:49 PM
The dorsal appendages are out of proportion but the illustration is awesome.
Ive often thought about how the dorsal appendages would affect the Alien in a fight. Firstly, the lengthy head gives a lot of leverage to twist the alien's neck. Secondly, the minute the alien tilts his head, he's stuck on the central dorsal fin, or even unable to turn his head.
Sooo.... for me, it's basically one uppercut, and then I reach around to grab the back of the head and keep it stuck among the dorsal arrangement. Got him!
Arrgh! The tail! Between my legs! Owww!
They're better proportioned actually, than the original. An Isolation enhancement.
And as Isolation and Covenant showed, all the dorsal appendages are flexible and don't effect articulation.
Doubtful you'd get within reach of the head before the inner jaw, tail or claws disemboweled you.
Not if it's the AVP:R ones. You just have to grab their neck and they will do absolutly nothing to stop you.
Quote from: TheKurgan on Nov 16, 2018, 11:10:38 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 16, 2018, 08:09:46 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 16, 2018, 06:35:49 PM
The dorsal appendages are out of proportion but the illustration is awesome.
Ive often thought about how the dorsal appendages would affect the Alien in a fight. Firstly, the lengthy head gives a lot of leverage to twist the alien's neck. Secondly, the minute the alien tilts his head, he's stuck on the central dorsal fin, or even unable to turn his head.
Sooo.... for me, it's basically one uppercut, and then I reach around to grab the back of the head and keep it stuck among the dorsal arrangement. Got him!
Arrgh! The tail! Between my legs! Owww!
They're better proportioned actually, than the original. An Isolation enhancement.
And as Isolation and Covenant showed, all the dorsal appendages are flexible and don't effect articulation.
Doubtful you'd get within reach of the head before the inner jaw, tail or claws disemboweled you.
Not if it's the AVP:R ones. You just have to grab their neck and they will do absolutly nothing to stop you.
AvP:R Aliens against A:CM Aliens. I want to see that fight.
My brother once jokingly said that the AVPR Aliens are born half-baked because they come from Chet's weird reproduction.
And if Chet is as stupid as he looks, there's no threat worth talking about.
Which makes Wolf all the more embarrassing.
In my head the AVPR Warriors "personality"
is what I imagined the K--Series were as a kid.
Utterly abhorrent useless clones.
Maybe it wasn't a movie, but gameplay footage for a unreleased video game. Also, it was tested in the easier than easy mode of difficulty.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 17, 2018, 02:27:22 AM
Maybe it wasn't a movie, but gameplay footage for a unreleased video game. Also, it was tested in the easier than easy mode of difficulty.
Ultimate Wuss mode. Opposite of Ultimate Badass.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Nov 17, 2018, 02:28:37 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 17, 2018, 02:27:22 AM
Maybe it wasn't a movie, but gameplay footage for a unreleased video game. Also, it was tested in the easier than easy mode of difficulty.
Ultimate Wuss mode. Opposite of Ultimate Badass.
:laugh:
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Quote from: Nostromo on Nov 16, 2018, 09:44:14 PM
Why can't every Alien just look like big chap, cries.
Personally I'm very okay with different artists and creators putting their own spin on the Alien. In my head, the Alien doesn't have one set "shape".
It does-
H.R Giger defined it.
It's an phallic-headed gaunt- chitinous "man" with a tail, always.
Beautiful and elegant in its own way, as Giger would say.
We've seen some fantastic deviances from the original design, with those basic tenant's in mind.
The Big Chap, Isolation Alien, The Runner, The Labyrinth Alien design, The 'Protomorph" Alien.
And absolute garbage when they aren't adhered to.
The AVPR PredAlien, The AVP & AVPR Alien.
Nearly every "Hybrid" in the comics.
The Neomorph is the one exception, thanks to Carlos Huante.
& That essentially kept the same ideas, swapped the smoke stacks for spikes.
Phallic head for pointed head, biomechanical skin for a translucent humanoid skin.
Inner jaw, for the deep sea- real life equivalent. Pharyngeal jaw.
The fact that it's the stipped down most basic, beastial version of the Alien we know is why-
the design works so well, it reflects what it is functionally. The most basic version of the Alien.
I have to agree with you. Giger's design was a stroke of genius. Though it looks like it came about through a lifetime of personal torment and bad dreams expressed in art rather than on a whim like the artists that followed him. You can't top that.
Only James Cameron's queen design comes close to matching Giger's original Alien in its sheer beauty if not its sexual connotations.
So you need another angle of personal torment to inject into a new one then.
Instead of Giger pastiche for an Alien planet for instance then.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqUug3bBYuv/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet (https://www.instagram.com/p/BqUug3bBYuv/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet)
Another peak from Tristan. His variants are going to be amazing! I have high hopes for this series as a whole.
So F***ing good
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 18, 2018, 02:46:08 AM
It does-
H.R Giger defined it.
It's an phallic-headed gaunt- chitinous "man" with a tail, always.
Beautiful and elegant in its own way, as Giger would say.
That's what I mean - it's got a vague, easily-reinterpreted framework, but beyond that the artist can tinker with it and make it unique (case in point: Tristan taking elements from both Big Chap and the Isolation design).
Is every execution to my liking? Not necessarily, but it's the fact that artists have the liberty to try that appeals to me.
And for the record, I was very okay with AvPR's Predalien (and most Predalien designs, for that matter). shit, I'm even okay with the bulk of the Kenner hybrids, they "make sense" to me from a visual standpoint and use instantly recognizable visual shorthand. Anyone can look at most of them and say "oh, that's a xenomorph born from __________".
Sandbox analogy aside, the bad storytelling (just as a bad handled creature) is a real thing.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 18, 2018, 02:11:55 PM
So you need another angle of personal torment to inject into a new one then.
Instead of Giger pastiche for an Alien planet for instance then.
Everybody who makes new Aliens films is aping Giger. It is all a pastiche. If an artist has a uniquely personal vision, it should be explored as something not related in any way to the Aliens universe. Otherwise, come to grips with the fact that you are reimagining Giger's visual ideas. It's ok.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 18, 2018, 04:30:01 PM
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Another peak from Tristan. His variants are going to be amazing! I have high hopes for this series as a whole.
would anyone argue with this statement if i said no-one has ever drawn a better xenomorph than tristan jones?
Well, there was Giger and Den Beauvais..
sorry, i meant in comic book format
den beauvais draws a beautiful alien, i just find jones to be the most terrifying version
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 18, 2018, 11:56:19 PM
Well, there was Giger and Den Beauvais..
And Killian Plunkett.
And Dave Dorman.
But granted it's a short list.
Jones' alien is undeniably amazing in every way. He truly captures the spirit of the Alien. Some wrists make them seem like caricatures. Jones' alien is legit scary. But Beauvais captures the beauty of the Alien and the animal motions incredibly well. It is almost a tie for me. I just love how Beauvais' color work captures the feel of the film.
Quote from: toro on Nov 18, 2018, 11:19:36 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 18, 2018, 04:30:01 PM
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Another peak from Tristan. His variants are going to be amazing! I have high hopes for this series as a whole.
would anyone argue with this statement if i said no-one has ever drawn a better xenomorph than tristan jones?
Tristan, Den Beauvais, and Juan Ferreyra are my top three (no particular order).
Dave Dorman and Killian Plunkett honorable mention
Quote from: SM on Nov 19, 2018, 01:04:05 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 18, 2018, 11:56:19 PM
Well, there was Giger and Den Beauvais..
And Killian Plunkett.
And Dave Dorman.
But granted it's a short list.
Hear hear.
Plunkett will always be at the top for me.
Honorable mention to the artist who did 'Aliens: Apocalypse'. Yeah, yeah, he was using the 'Alien Resurrection' design which isn't everyone's cup of tea, but I felt he made it look great.
Solicitation for #2 is up!
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QuoteAmanda Ripley and Zula Hendricks make their way to the Weyland-Yutani black site, with the intent to disrupt a xenomorph-based weapons test. Only once they've arrived do they realize what is truly at stake, and that they must do whatever it takes to ensure this new technology is never deployed.
Amanda Ripley is back and ready for action!
Normal cover art.
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And Tristan's variant.
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I'm really curious to see how the
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weapon's test
is visualized. I hope it's something a little different.
I'm curious if it winds up being
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hybrids or something to do with eggmorphing.
oof...! Those colours do not mix well with the internet for some reason...! the hi-res I got sent is much smoother in its gradation between light and shadow...
Also, I'd argue Dorman's a painter ;) but Will Simpson, Tim Hamilton, Mignola, Plunkett -- they're all the guys that I continue to hold my work against when I'm drawing these things.
'Music of the Spears' Tim Hamilton?
Yeah man. LOVED that book growing up. I realise his Alien isn't exactly accurate but it's always framed well, same with Kelly Jones on Hive.
No love for Bolton in this thread? :'(
I maintain that Hive is what Earth War wishes it looked like. I have a weird, love-hate relationship with Jones' work. It's not at all what I want an Alien to look like, but dammit, it works.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Nov 20, 2018, 12:18:19 AM
Yeah man. LOVED that book growing up. I realise his Alien isn't exactly accurate but it's always framed well, same with Kelly Jones on Hive.
I never really rated the art in that book. It's decent certainly, but it was never up there with stuff like Labyrinth or Salvation.
Might have to have another gander.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 20, 2018, 12:26:01 AM
No love for Bolton in this thread? :'(
I maintain that Hive is what Earth War wishes it looked like. I have a weird, love-hate relationship with Jones' work. It's not at all what I want an Alien to look like, but dammit, it works.
Parts of Hive work. There's a fantastic panel of Gill the android grinning a mix of sinister and innocence as he studies Julie in issue 4. The Aliens also look dangerous and threatening - but I found a lot of the character work tended toward caricature. The darker tones of the colours help it though.
I never really got into hive. The art never resonated with me. The characters did not strike a chord, and the story never took off either. The art was not in the top ten for me.
The ending is hell'a anticlimactic, but I've always had a soft spot for it. I love the mood it has.
The story is marred some epically stupid things.
Android Aliens building plasma rifles out of their robo intestines is amazing.
That bit was kinda cool.
It was more the android Alien kills a bunch of the crew before Mayakovsky can call him off, or "let's not stay where we are and wait for a pickup - let's walk through the biggest Alien hive in the history of ever to get to another ship".
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Nov 20, 2018, 12:18:19 AM
Yeah man. LOVED that book growing up. I realise his Alien isn't exactly accurate but it's always framed well, same with Kelly Jones on Hive.
I really enjoy Kelly Jones work on Hive. Really gothic and dark. I forgive the inaccuracies in creature design.
Seen as we are discussing favourite artists on Aliens comics I'll give my two cents.
Plunkett
Jones (Tristan)
Beauvias
These are, for me, the top tier.
Stokoe's is next in line ( one of my favourite comic creators all round ). Only edged out because I think the other 3 offer a style that feels more in line with the original Alien Trilogy.
I've always had a soft spot for Music of the Spears too. A lot of people dont care for the art but I always enjoyed it. I liked Hive but it's not my favorite. The art is so strange but I also think it really works for the story.
My fav Alien Artists: (just about the same list as everyone else.)
Plunkett
Beauvias
Dorman
Tristan Jones
Let's not forget Mark A.Nelson. The man is a legend!
Walt Simonson is also awesome but he hasen't done an Alien comic in 40 years...
Mark A.Nelson never really nailed his aliens tough. Always a bit clunky with silly mouths.
Nelson did some fantastic work on book 1.
I always enjoyed that short story comic he did too, Aliens: Lucky I think?
Yep.
Quote from: SM on Nov 20, 2018, 09:16:23 PM
Nelson did some fantastic work on book 1.
There are parts where he's drawn in "wrinkles" into the Aliens as though they're guys in suits, which is kind of awesome ("It's like you're watching a movie!") but also kind of weird (most noticeably when the guy is showing the hologram to his crazy cultists).
Nelson was my intro to the world of Aliens comics so I'm biased, but I think his work is spectacular. It was moody and brooding. You're right about the way he draws the aliens but I've come around to appreciating the style.
I started reading the original Aliens series with issue 2. My only previous exposure was when I saw the Aliens film on my birthday. So I wasn't quite sure how the aliens were supposed to look like in detail. At first I really liked his portrayal, then with time I realized that he wasn't quite drawing them accurately, especially the ridges on their heads, but I've come around full circle. I just appreciate that he has his own unique style in drawing them. His aliens are totally distinguishable from any other artist's.
I think I draw better aliens than Nelson. There, just had to have that said.
I'm curious! Let's see?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 21, 2018, 01:03:43 PM
I'm curious! Let's see?
Alright, Heres some alien sketches that I made.
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auktoritetsforaktet @ instagram ya´ll :)
https://www.instagram.com/auktoritetsforaktet/ (https://www.instagram.com/auktoritetsforaktet/)
The last one is the sickest thing ever. keep it up! ;D
Quote from: bobby brown on Nov 21, 2018, 12:55:06 PM
I think I draw better aliens than Nelson. There, just had to have that said.
I respectfully disagree.
That second "Protomorph" one's excellent tho.
You do have talent and you're on to something good. Keep at it.
Regarding which is better? Well it's not a question of better or worse. It's just a different take. A different style.
Thank you all guys :)
I won't be hogging more attention in this thread, back to Aliens: Resistance!
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 18, 2018, 04:30:01 PM
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Another peak from Tristan. His variants are going to be amazing! I have high hopes for this series as a whole.
Huh, looks like the carapace is cracked.
Looks like the Alien's getting blown up or otherwise fried.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 22, 2018, 09:20:36 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 18, 2018, 04:30:01 PM
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Another peak from Tristan. His variants are going to be amazing! I have high hopes for this series as a whole.
Huh, looks like the carapace is cracked.
I noticed that on the dome, exposing the "skull" underneath.
Now that's a nice variant cover: WIll buy both versions. Heck, I'll buy whatever Alien comic Tristan breathes on lol.
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/1064539010524200960
https://www.previewsworld.com/Article/221337-Aliens-Antagonize-Girl-Power-Resistance
Brian Wood: We introduce a LOT of new stuff to the mix here.
Defiance was, by design, a story very much in the mold of the original film.
With Resistance, we have a lot of freedom to push the envelope and show things no other Aliens title has.
You know, a lot has been said about Weyland-Yutani's desire to exploit xenomorph biology for use in weapons.
We know that, we've been told that. Have we ever seen what that means?
Not just the labs, but actual field tests? Specific applications? Successes as well as failures?
We go there in Resistance.
This makes me incredibly nervous, stupidity crops up easily in these kind of concepts.
As well as diminishing the Alien, but The Cold Forge does exist...
There's also the matter of continuity-
Why would the events of Aliens & Alien³ even occur if the company already acquired a specimen or several?
I imagine the magic reset button gets pushed at the end of the series.
You mean nuke the site from orbit? :D
It's the only way to be sure.
https://twitter.com/theawesomepod/status/1066668716673388545?s=19
QuoteThere's also the matter of continuity-
Why would the events of Aliens & Alien³ even occur if the company already acquired a specimen or several?
Weyland Corp had a million employees over a century prior to the events of Defiance/ Resistance - before the merger.
A lot of these people are very ambitious, looking for exclusivity in a sea of classified data.
So the Weyland Corp-era logo on that cover wasn't just an art mistake, I take it? ;D
Amanda was born over 10 years after the merger. Make of that what you will.
I can buy that the employees are all trying to get a piece of the action. But it is getting a bit crowded in the timeline...
I like the idea of actually seeing how does WY plan to use the aliens as weapons. But, as mentioned, it can look very dumb if not handled with care. I hope they actually think this through and use the creatures cunningly and strategically.
This is 40 years prior to Aliens and Alien3 - in which the Company comes close to obtaining specimens and then losing them in the space of a couple of months.
True, but this would have to be immensely hush, hush- for
"Gestates inside a living human host and has concentrated acid for blood."
"Never recorded once."
To remain believable.
And Defiance & Resistance are stretching that,
in fact I still really can't make sense of the continuity of events in Defiance despite the compelling individual characters.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 25, 2018, 11:48:46 PM
True, but this would have to be immensely hush, hush- for
"Gestates inside a living human host and has concentrated acid for blood."
"Never recorded once."
To remain believable.
And Defiance & Resistance are stretching that,
in fact I still really can't make sense of the continuity of events in Defiance despite the compelling individual characters.
To be fair it was the government at the inquest saying that stuff to Ripley, not the Company. Even if the Company did have knowledge and whatnot (and maybe they did, which is what prompted Burke's quick response), that doesn't mean the government does.
True.
But if WY knew, then why send one measly squad to LV-426.
I've got a bad feelin' about this drop.
Again, not WY; it was the government.
The problem becomes "If the Company knew, how could Burke be the only one trying to look into it." He clearly thought he could get exclusive rights by trying to be sneaky, but if others knew, he'd surely have competition.
Yep.
Burke was handling Ripley's case and didn't even know if what she said was true. And the Company had no inkling what was happening on LV-426 until after Burke had left - maybe not even till after the events of Aliens.
But then why even bother terraforming LV-426? If it had valuable minerals, surely those could have been strip-mined away, and if it were not interesting from a mineral perspective, but rather as a hospitable place to build a colony on, well what is there that would justify choosing it as a possible location?
From the original script.
Quote
RIPLEY
(to Burke)
What about you? What's your
interest in this?
BURKE
Well, the corporation co-financed
that colony with the Colonial
Administration, against mineral
rights. We're getting into a lot
of terraforming...'Building Better
Worlds.'
ADF also added some details about LV-426 saying there was plenty of methane which was ideal for terraforming.
It wasn't set up so they could get Aliens.
And for the better. That'd be one lame conspiracy that would make no sense. I hate that idea IMO. It's a colony like all others.
I'm pretty sure River of Pain has WY's interest in the colony being specifically for the Derelict.
Quote from: SM on Nov 26, 2018, 03:29:03 AM
Yep.
Burke was handling Ripley's case and didn't even know if what she said was true. And the Company had no inkling what was happening on LV-426 until after Burke had left - maybe not even till after the events of Aliens.
I guess the assumption becomes, Burke acted *so fast* that the Sulaco was dispatched to LV-426 before Ripley's testimony made it into the hands of anyone else in the Company with knowledge of the myriad other Alien research/capture projects.
The last chapter in the Colonial Marines Tech Manual implies that at least the people talking in that chapter are blindsided by Burke's plan, and themselves have no knowledge of other Alien projects when they put Epsilon Eridani (aka Michael Bishop's trip to Fury 161) and their own mission to LV-426 into motion.
I could honestly see that kind of clusterf**k happening, especially within an organisation as large as W-Y. I see "left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing" all the time.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 26, 2018, 09:05:49 AM
I'm pretty sure River of Pain has WY's interest in the colony being specifically for the Derelict.
But then why not just ... tell them about it to begin with? Why sit there for decades doing nothing? ???
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 26, 2018, 09:27:45 AM
I could honestly see that kind of clusterf**k happening, especially within an organisation as large as W-Y. I see "left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing" all the time.
Oh absolutely. :D I see it happen in real life with work teams of, like, 2 (two) people.
A fun angle for a future story could be something like "two Company hotshots get the same lead on Alien specimens independent of each other, they assemble separate teams and run into each other at [Planet/Colony/Space Station X], chaos ensues as they backstab each other to try and cut each other out of the potential profits".
Quote from: SiL on Nov 26, 2018, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 26, 2018, 09:05:49 AM
I'm pretty sure River of Pain has WY's interest in the colony being specifically for the Derelict.
But then why not just ... tell them about it to begin with? Why sit there for decades doing nothing? ???
That's the million dollar question. :P
My rationalization for "Special order 937" and the events of 'Aliens' are that somebody within Company received the Derelict's signal but couldn't triangulate it, so they guesstimated its location and sent the closest ship (the Nostromo) in a straight line until it got to the signal (LV-426) and the automated systems stopped the ship and woke everyone up. The events of 'Alien' happen and the Company has no idea it just lost a ship until it's overdue for its return to Earth, meanwhile the Derelict's signal vanishes (Dallas shuts it off/an earthquake breaks it/Marlow switches it off, take your pick). So whoever orchestrated Special order 937 is now out one expensive ship and has nothing to show for it and no way to follow up because the signal is gone, so they quietly sweep it under the rug and pretend nothing ever happened.
Decades later, the colony on LV-426 is established through sheer coincidence.
You just explained the actual plot of the movies :P. I meant that if any story goes with "They put the colony there specifically for the Derelict", it doesn't make any sense.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 26, 2018, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 26, 2018, 09:05:49 AM
I'm pretty sure River of Pain has WY's interest in the colony being specifically for the Derelict.
But then why not just ... tell them about it to begin with? Why sit there for decades doing nothing? ???
I can't remember the specifics of it. I'm due a re-read.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 26, 2018, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 26, 2018, 09:05:49 AM
I'm pretty sure River of Pain has WY's interest in the colony being specifically for the Derelict.
But then why not just ... tell them about it to begin with? Why sit there for decades doing nothing? ???
Sh... Don't tell anyone, but it's because the entire novel trilogy is contrived nonsense.
Not if you're paying attention.
The science team had been stationed at the colony for a few years, but not anywhere near 20 years. After the colony had been there a while, someone at the Company had worked out that the Nostromo had responded to a signal before it disappeared. The belief was the signal had come from the Z2R system, but nothing had been found since they arrived. They're realistically expecting to find maybe remains of an alien civilisation; not live specimens.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 26, 2018, 10:00:04 AM
You just explained the actual plot of the movies :P.
The "they didn't truly know where they were sending the Nostromo, it was just going in a straight line towards a signal" bit and the "oops, better forget this ever happened" bit aren't in the movies. :P
Quote from: SM on Nov 26, 2018, 10:53:57 AM
After the colony had been there a while, someone at the Company had worked out that the Nostromo had responded to a signal before it disappeared. The belief was the signal had come from the Z2R system, but nothing had been found since they arrived. .
It still seems like an unnecessary contrivance, unless the moral of the story is supposed to be "even without Ripley, the Company knew there was something in the general vicinity", and I'm not sure what that really adds to the narrative.
But hey maybe that was a plot mandate from FOX. You know, the same FOX that mandated 'Out of the Shadows'. :P
Quote from: SM on Nov 26, 2018, 10:53:57 AM
Not if you're paying attention.
It still seems like an unnecessary contrivance.Nah, each of the books have this problem that makes them hard to take seriously from the outset.
OotS- Ellen Ripley's inbetweenquel adventure where she conveniently loses her memory of the incident at the end,
and apparently wedges the harpoon back below the door of the Narcissus, oh and Ash tags along for a bit.
RoP- Secret W-Y research base, escape craft, colonial marines, no MJJ, etc.
SoS- Empathic grandchild of Ellen Ripley? Fanfiction tier.
Agreed that the premises sound like fanfiction at best, but I really liked the execution of OotS and SoS. I was at the edge of my suspension of disbelief though, can't deny that.
RoP? That took me over the edge. Too many things wrong with it. Nicely written parts and the Alien was treated well, but when you keep making mistake after mistake with the continuity which could've been easily fixed if you just watched the bloody movie a few more times, I'm simply not on board.
I'd really like to ignore that book entirely, but it influences one of the movies more than any other. That's why, for all the silly things we see in the Rage War Trilogy, I still like it a fair bit. Some crazy ideas: some cool, some ridiculous but it doesn't step on anybodies toes for the most part.
I like the idea of seeing WY employees racing each other to get an Alien specimen and, of course, it blowing up in their face so so bad. Some good drama could be done there.
With the passage of time, I find that the Titan books were very much about execution and not about premise. Each premise except for RoP was farcical yet done very well. RoP read very well on the first read but seems to deteriorate with the passage of time. The mistakes in details pull you out of the illusion, and the survivors diminish the severity of the disaster.
Which is a shame IMO- because then if the premises weren't so farcical;
You could have your cake and eat it too.
QuoteAgreed that the premises sound like fanfiction at best, but I really liked the execution of OotS and SoS. I was at the edge of my suspension of disbelief though, can't deny that.
RoP? That took me over the edge. Too many things wrong with it. Nicely written parts and the Alien was treated well, but when you keep making mistake after mistake with the continuity which could've been easily fixed if you just watched the bloody movie a few more times, I'm simply not on board.
I nitpicked the crap out of RoP, but it's still the best of the three due to the character relationships driving the story and the way the colony is so utterly pwned by the Aliens is such a short period. The execution was such that I could overlook the continuity issues.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 26, 2018, 11:23:36 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 26, 2018, 10:53:57 AM
Not if you're paying attention.
It still seems like an unnecessary contrivance.
Nah, each of the books have this problem that makes them hard to take seriously from the outset.
OotS- Ellen Ripley's inbetweenquel adventure where she conveniently loses her memory of the incident at the end,
and apparently wedges the harpoon back below the door of the Narcissus, oh and Ash tags along for a bit.
RoP- Secret W-Y research base, escape craft, colonial marines, no MJJ, etc.
SoS- Empathic grandchild of Ellen Ripley? Fanfiction tier.
Ehh... the only one with a contrived *premise* is OotS. The other two have contrivances that pop up as they play out, but the actual premise of the story isn't the problem.
I didn't say the premises were the problem.
Just that they each have a (major) element that make them hard to take seriously.
In fact, OotS & SoS -each have a major one.
Which RoP trades instead for many less egregious ones.
Love it.
I am super excited for this, I keep opening my instagram to look at the previews T-Rex is sharing.
Quote from: muthur9000 on Nov 27, 2018, 12:55:40 PM
I am super excited for this, I keep opening my instagram to look at the previews T-Rex is sharing.
Hi muthur, please be sharing them here as well if possible, sometimes I miss them!
Quote from: Nostromo on Nov 27, 2018, 05:05:51 PM
Quote from: muthur9000 on Nov 27, 2018, 12:55:40 PM
I am super excited for this, I keep opening my instagram to look at the previews T-Rex is sharing.
Hi muthur, please be sharing them here as well if possible, sometimes I miss them!
Corporal Hicks is pretty good at keeping on top of that, but if I spot a moment that he's asleep and hasn't done so... I will ;)
Tristan really has Ripley's likeness down.
I'd like to get me some of Tristan's original pages to go with my Stokoe Page.
Soon
?
Because of the nature of the deadlines, I work digitally. That said, a lot of us comic artists that DO work digitally have started offering "artist's proofs" of our pages, which are essentially once-off high quality prints of the pages themselves before they get coloured so we can see how they look on paper. I'll be offering pages from Defiance this way if people are interested, as well as the covers for Resistance.
While they won't cost as much as a traditionally pencilled page of original comic art might, they still won't necessarily be cheap, because it's still my work, and each page only gets done once. If that's something folks are interested in, then feel free to email me at tyrannojones(at)gmail(dot)com. Pages will range from 50-100 depending on the page, and splashes/double page spreads will be slightly more. I'm still trying to figure out how best to get them printed out without making them cumbersome.
What software/ hardware do you use? I used to draw a lot in the dim dark ages of my teens and have been wanting to get back into it. One of the kids has an old Wacom but it didn't seem terribly accurate.
I use an old Wacom Cintiq (which is in dire need of updating, so folks should definitely buy :laugh: ;) :laugh:) ), but I honestly wouldn't have it any other way. I love it.
I'll have to have another look at what model it is.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Nov 28, 2018, 10:20:54 PM
Because of the nature of the deadlines, I work digitally. That said, a lot of us comic artists that DO work digitally have started offering "artist's proofs" of our pages, which are essentially once-off high quality prints of the pages themselves before they get coloured so we can see how they look on paper. I'll be offering pages from Defiance this way if people are interested, as well as the covers for Resistance.
While they won't cost as much as a traditionally pencilled page of original comic art might, they still won't necessarily be cheap, because it's still my work, and each page only gets done once. If that's something folks are interested in, then feel free to email me at tyrannojones(at)gmail(dot)com. Pages will range from 50-100 depending on the page, and splashes/double page spreads will be slightly more. I'm still trying to figure out how best to get them printed out without making them cumbersome.
Im interested. Let me get Christmas out of the way. I'll drop you a email soon to see if we can sort something.
Warm-up art from Robert Carey -
I haven't listened to yet but I'm looking forward to.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Nov 28, 2018, 10:20:54 PM
Because of the nature of the deadlines, I work digitally. That said, a lot of us comic artists that DO work digitally have started offering "artist's proofs" of our pages, which are essentially once-off high quality prints of the pages themselves before they get coloured so we can see how they look on paper. I'll be offering pages from Defiance this way if people are interested, as well as the covers for Resistance.
While they won't cost as much as a traditionally pencilled page of original comic art might, they still won't necessarily be cheap, because it's still my work, and each page only gets done once. If that's something folks are interested in, then feel free to email me at tyrannojones(at)gmail(dot)com. Pages will range from 50-100 depending on the page, and splashes/double page spreads will be slightly more. I'm still trying to figure out how best to get them printed out without making them cumbersome.
Bugger T-Rex, you're gonna send me broke. Let me take a peep in January pls. I was gonna buy an Oculus Rift but now I am gonna have to buy your art :P
All I can afford is a Resistance comic from Minotaur and hope he's working that day so he can sign it. ;D
Is that gonna be AUD?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2018, 11:49:08 AM
Is that gonna be AUD?
I hope so, if it isn't I will need more money :-X
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 29, 2018, 01:28:08 PM
Warm-up art from Robert Carey -
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I haven't listened to yet but I'm looking forward to.
I'm about an hour in and Carey is a bit of a Dark Horse! His favourite Alien design is Resurrection/AvP. And he likes Resurrection. Love someone with some differing taste.
Seems like a pretty cool bloke. Hopefully be able to get him on the show when the run is done.
I saw the art for the first two issues the other day.
Fear ye not if you don't like the Resurrection design.
Carey actually has a creator-owned thing he did up for free on his Twitter. Worth checking out!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/adntezfe4bzp53p/Cruel%20Sunset%20ISSUE%20ONE.pdf?dl=0
Only had a quick flick through but I'm liking it.
Also finished the podcast. The hosts got on my nerves as they kept talking over their freaking guest but Carey really does seem like a cool bloke!
Jones or Carey?
We already knew Jones was cool.
OMG. Carey.
:-[
Lol omg. Can't Tristan out of your mind Hicks ?
Ha. I must have just read his name before replying. (though I do love Tristan)
Quote from: SM on Dec 01, 2018, 09:47:01 AM
All I can afford is a Resistance comic from Minotaur and hope he's working that day so he can sign it. ;D
I didn't realise you were a Melbournian! Come in and say hi sometime! I'm in Sunday through to Thursday!
Cool. I thought you only worked weekends.
Now I wish I still did regular business trips to Melbourne.
Solitations for #3 are here!
http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2018/12/15/exclusive-dark-horse-march-2019-solicitations-calamity-kate-aliens-resistance-and-more/ (http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2018/12/15/exclusive-dark-horse-march-2019-solicitations-calamity-kate-aliens-resistance-and-more/)
Spoiler
QuoteOn Sale March 27
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
As Amanda Ripley and Zula Hendricks deal with failing pressure suits and an orbital tumble, a Weyland-Yutani experiment unfolds on the surface of the moon below. A thousand kidnapped colonists' lives hang in the balance.
WY being typical bastards, it seems.
Spoiler
Too bad they're going over the top again with WY's mustache twirling. It's just a minor nitpick, but really? A thousand colonists? :laugh:
Quote from: Still Collating... on Dec 17, 2018, 05:45:43 PM
Spoiler
Too bad they're going over the top again with WY's mustache twirling. It's just a minor nitpick, but really? A thousand colonists? :laugh:
It's really not that kind of story.
Can't wait to see what this
Spoiler
weapon test
is. I imagine it's not just a straightforward "unleash xenos" sort of deal.
I hope so.
https://twitter.com/RobCareyArtist/status/1081094831320035328?s=19
Excellent art.
Awesome.
Is that Amanda or Zula?
The art is looking good, that's what I'm looking for. Great.
Hopefully we get to keep the excellent artist
throughout the whole series this time.
I was poking around on Amazon and the trade paperback already has a release date and preorder option. :P
https://www.amazon.com/Aliens-Resistance-Brian-Wood/dp/150671126X
I'm just surprised we have gotten more previews, especially with the whole Read Play Watch thing.
First review is in! https://www.monkeysfightingrobots.co/review-a-new-fight-for-survival-begins-in-aliens-resistance-1/
It's a positive one.
"The all controlling Weyland-Yutani corporation."
Uh-oh.
"One of the highlights of Aliens: Resistance is the magnificent scenery that the characters pass through.
From the vast, empty, planet landscapes to the sprawling cities; the locations set the tone for the comic.
Each section of the narrative starts with an establishing shot that leaves the reader in no doubt
about the type of world the characters inhabit. It is breathtaking and wondrous to behold,
but you also get the impression that danger is just around the corner."
Wow, interesting. Can't wait to see that depicted.
Hope it's as excellent as the article insinuates it is.
But I still worry about the over-arching narrative.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 16, 2019, 07:59:20 PM
"The all controlling Weyland-Yutani corporation."
I hope that's hyperbolic.
https://bigcomicpage.com/2019/01/16/advance-review-aliens-resistance-1-dark-horse/
Mixed/negative review.
I always find that pausing a movie a quarter of the way in is a completely legitimate form of criticism.
https://www.previewsworld.com/Article/221337-Aliens-Antagonize-Girl-Power-Resistance
Quote from: SM on Jan 17, 2019, 12:47:54 AM
I always find that pausing a movie a quarter of the way in is a completely legitimate form of criticism.
Criticizing an episodic form of media for how it plays out episodically is a pretty legit form of criticism. How do you feel about television shows being criticized on an episode-by-episode basis?
Quote from: felix on Jan 17, 2019, 03:32:58 AM
https://www.previewsworld.com/Article/221337-Aliens-Antagonize-Girl-Power-Resistance
QuoteBrian Wood. Well, the whole thing is a little more nuanced than that. I wrote Aliens: Defiance back in 2015, and initially that book was meant to be an Amanda Ripley book. For reasons, that didn't happen, and I went on to co-create (with Tristan Jones) the character of Zula Hendricks for that title and the Aliens Universe overall. BUT, Amanda had a couple cameos in that series, and that right there established the fact that Amanda definitively survived Isolation, and was back in the timeline doing stuff.
Wasn't Amanda's presence in Defiance set before Isolation?
Yep, this is why I think anyone working on sequels really need to look back so they can get their continuity and facts right.
So even before its released, there is already an error :laugh:
QuoteI wrote Aliens: Defiance back in 2015, and initially that book was meant to be an Amanda Ripley book. For reasons, that didn't happen, and I went on to co-create (with Tristan Jones) the character of Zula Hendricks for that title and the Aliens Universe overall. BUT, Amanda had a couple cameos in that series, and that right there established the fact that Amanda definitively survived Isolation, and was back in the timeline doing stuff.
I can't remember if we knew about this before. That's pretty interesting.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 18, 2019, 11:34:48 AM
Yep, this is why I think anyone working on sequels really need to look back so they can get their continuity and facts right.
So even before its released, there is already an error :laugh:
Well I mean, it might be an error in his creative reasoning, but it remains to be seen if that actually translates into a continuity flub on the page.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 18, 2019, 11:34:48 AM
Yep, this is why I think anyone working on sequels really need to look back so they can get their continuity and facts right.
So even before its released, there is already an error :laugh:
Brian may have misspoken, but there's no error. Defiance changed a lot during it's gestation, as he alludes to here.
I see, well I suppose its best to wait and see how the series will turn out, So far the last two comic series has had potential but went awry in the last act.
Regardless of how it turns out I can quite confidently tell you that the continuity with Amanda is all good.
https://www.alienuniverse.com/post/news-aliens-resistance-sneak-peek
Some sneak peeks and a mini-interview.
Damn, that's some cool art!
The solicitations for #4 have also gone live. Spoiler warning:
http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2019/01/21/exclusive-dark-horse-solicitations-resident-alien-wyrd-and-calamity-kate/ (http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2019/01/21/exclusive-dark-horse-solicitations-resident-alien-wyrd-and-calamity-kate/)
Spoiler
QuoteOn sale Apr 24
FC, 32 pages
$3.99
Miniseries
Amanda Ripley and Zula Hendricks are engaged in a desperate battle on the jungle moon, losing the fight against genetically modified Aliens and synthetics for survival. One desperate, last-ditch, option remains, and the two women are forced to decide how much of a sacrifice they are willing to make.
– Written by Brian Wood of Aliens: Defiance.
Hmmmm...
Spoiler
Jungle moon, genetically altered xenos, and what looks like a Juggernaut on the cover for #1. I wonder....
Just put in my pre-order with my local comic shop for issues 1-3 with all of Tristan's variant covers :D
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Dec 07, 2018, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 01, 2018, 09:47:01 AM
All I can afford is a Resistance comic from Minotaur and hope he's working that day so he can sign it. ;D
I didn't realise you were a Melbournian! Come in and say hi sometime! I'm in Sunday through to Thursday!
Crikey. Wish I still lived in Melbourne ... Minotaur was a regular lunch time stopover for me when I worked in the CBD.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 21, 2019, 09:02:16 PM
Hmmmm... Spoiler
Jungle moon, genetically altered xenos, and what looks like a Juggernaut on the cover for #1. I wonder....
I see where your mind is at and I wonder!
(https://i2.wp.com/www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/ALRESIS-4-FC-FNL-min.jpg?w=683)
I don't know what it is but I really like this one.
...Where is his mind at?
Planet 4, I'm guessing.
I was actually thinking
Spoiler
the planet from the end of Life and Death
but that also makes sense.
I hope (HOPE!) it's the former
Quote from: Prez on Jan 22, 2019, 08:59:53 AM
Just put in my pre-order with my local comic shop for issues 1-3 with all of Tristan's variant covers :D
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Dec 07, 2018, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 01, 2018, 09:47:01 AM
All I can afford is a Resistance comic from Minotaur and hope he's working that day so he can sign it. ;D
I didn't realise you were a Melbournian! Come in and say hi sometime! I'm in Sunday through to Thursday!
Crikey. Wish I still lived in Melbourne ... Minotaur was a regular lunch time stopover for me when I worked in the CBD.
I bought all my Giger books from Minotaur.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 22, 2019, 09:53:11 AM
Quote from: Prez on Jan 22, 2019, 08:59:53 AM
Just put in my pre-order with my local comic shop for issues 1-3 with all of Tristan's variant covers :D
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Dec 07, 2018, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 01, 2018, 09:47:01 AM
All I can afford is a Resistance comic from Minotaur and hope he's working that day so he can sign it. ;D
I didn't realise you were a Melbournian! Come in and say hi sometime! I'm in Sunday through to Thursday!
Crikey. Wish I still lived in Melbourne ... Minotaur was a regular lunch time stopover for me when I worked in the CBD.
I bought all my Giger books from Minotaur.
Bought my (old) Spawn AVP figurines from there many (eons) ago. Does it still have that purple paint job and those escalators that don't work (assuming it's on Elizabeth street still)?
Lol yeah still on Elizabeth St, hasn't changed much. I think Tristan Jones works there...?
Monday to Thursday!
Still purple, but I've put posters up everywhere. No escalators though.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Jan 22, 2019, 11:34:35 PM
Monday to Thursday!
Still purple, but I've put posters up everywhere. No escalators though.
;D
The first issue is a lot of set up and not much else.
Art is good. Not Tristan good, but good. Scenery is good and it has a very cinematic feel but the characters seem a little static. Ripley and Zula do not really look consistent with past appearances which takes me out of it a little. From what we see of the Aliens, they look pretty good, although missing the pointy 5th dorsal spine.
I'm invested though, so looking forward to next issue.
Ah, who cares about the fifth one.
Even James Cameron took it off for half his Aliens.
Spoiler
Do we know where they're going yet?
Quote from: Russ840 on Jan 23, 2019, 07:54:59 AM
The first issue is a lot of set up and not much else.
And yet feels like it needed another issue. This felt like #2 to me. I wonder if Blackout or the novel is going to fill in any of the gaps.
I enjoyed it. It's off to a solid start. Really like Carey's art. I was a little unsure about the heavy black outlines in some of the preview art but I'm digging it. I'm curious as to if they'll go into more detail about the new Xeno-synths. I love that Amanda is a claustrophobic now too. I like seeing the emotional fallouts. Definitely looking forward to the next issue.
How many issues is this series again?
Is this suppose to be an official Alien Isolation sequel? Wonder if it will connect with the mobile game. I hope they explain where the hell all those aliens came from when this takes place between ALIEN and ALIENS.
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Jan 23, 2019, 11:52:10 AM
How many issues is this series again?
On xenopedia it says 4.
Eh first issue was okay.
Some things are bothering me a little bit.
Spoiler
Acid tipped bullets? Even more advanced WY Xeno Joes? WY being so mustache twirlingly evil.
I dunno... like others have said, all this happening years before Aliens just doesn't feel right, regardless of how "secret" it is. Its like doubling down on the idea that WY put the colony on lv426 just to look for the alien.
We've taken the lead from Cold Forge with this.
(Not that I wrote anything mind you).
I shall read your literature and get back to you with my feelings about it.
Just picked up my Tristan Jones variant cover from my local today ... yay!
Should help make the ride home on the bus bearable in this 46 degree heat (that's celsius). HOT!
Just read the first issue, not sure what to think.
Maybe its just the art style I am not sure but Amanda is looking like she has too much eyeliner. Like her mother she never wore make up as far as I could tell but in this comic, she looks like she wears so much that her eyes look black in one panel.
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Another issue is the first part moves way too fast, no build or conversation on whether or not they are going to do something about the information that they suddenly got, They just jump to it. Don't like the implication in the ending either, Apparently it seems W-Y is using Colonist ships, changing their status to "resupply ships" (while the colonists are still on board of course) and having it sent to the area where Aliens are, meaning they going to be used as hosts. I tell you right now, I am getting goddamn sick and tired of the company being portayed as over the top mustache twirling villians all the time in games and comics. Its stupid and over the top.
^ agreed.
Entirety Agreed.
Can anyone fill me in on the
Spoiler
Genetically modified aliens
Will read this later today. Any hint as to where this
Spoiler
weapons test
is taking place? Kind of dying to know if my suspicions are right.
So am I, there's lots of elements here that make me anxious.
- The second half of Defiance wasn't so good.
- Weyland-Yutani being straight up evil.
- Genetically altered Xenomorph(s).
- "Alien" Enhanced synthetic(s).
-Taking place between Alien & Aliens.
- Amanda Ripley "Hero"
If it connects to Fire and Stone/L&D, it'll be the straw that breaks the camel's back for me.
It doesn't.
The Company is BIG and known for having some employees having a cavalier attitude with the lives of others.
As I stated in the Defiance thread...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 10, 2019, 09:29:07 PMIs this where the full-Umbrella version of W-Y came from? This series seems to depict more of a military-industrial cabal of W-Y execs and USCM brass colluding with each other to bring the alien to Earth.
I haven't read Resistance yet, but are we to understand that this cabal is more of a collection of shadowy renegades than a formally sanctioned operation from the top down?
I hope so.
Perhaps a Deus Ex (2000) style- inner shadow organisation, within W-Y.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 25, 2019, 04:31:01 AM
As I stated in the Defiance thread...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 10, 2019, 09:29:07 PMIs this where the full-Umbrella version of W-Y came from? This series seems to depict more of a military-industrial cabal of W-Y execs and USCM brass colluding with each other to bring the alien to Earth.
I haven't read Resistance yet, but are we to understand that this cabal is more of a collection of shadowy renegades than a formally sanctioned operation from the top down?
Was Burke working alone or was he formally sanctioned?
Quote from: SM on Jan 25, 2019, 04:08:41 AM
The Company is BIG and known for having some employees having a cavalier attitude with the lives of others.
The problem is that those are the ones that are shown too often and even then their evilness is usually quite over the top. For once I would like the story to focus on something else other than the "Evil W-Y". Even the introduction refers to them as the "malevolent megacorporation".The series just can't seem to get away from that angle.
I find WY much more interesting when they're just nudging people into shitty directions to see what happens, rather than overtly trying to endanger/f**k with/murder people. They were inspired by corporate negligence, but today they're just ... actively evil. Even if we say it's sleeper groups within the Company, it feels like a cheap way to have our cakes and eat it.
Burke was an individual concerned with personal gain, who arguably went against his own Company to achieve that goal (attempting to lay claim on the find rather than run it up the corporate ladder, where he would be forgotten). He wasn't in a position to, say, air-drop eggs on an unsuspecting colony to see what happens, for example.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 25, 2019, 11:30:38 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 25, 2019, 04:08:41 AM
The Company is BIG and known for having some employees having a cavalier attitude with the lives of others.
The problem is that those are the ones that are shown too often and even then their evilness is usually quite over the top. For once I would like the story to focus on something else other than the "Evil W-Y". Even the introduction refers to them as the "malevolent megacorporation".The series just can't seem to get away from that angle.
So just ignore 38 issues worth of Fire & Stone, Life & Death and Dead Orbit, then?
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Truth. Lorimer got killed before he could turn heel in L&D, and the Company was pretty much entirely absent in the others.
Dead Orbit's excellent.
But yes, I'd advise everyone to ignore the former two. :D
I think SiL nailed it;
Quote from: SiL on Jan 25, 2019, 01:13:44 PM
I find WY much more interesting when they're just nudging people into shitty directions to see what happens, rather than overtly trying to endanger/f**k with/murder people. They were inspired by corporate negligence, but today they're just ... actively evil. Even if we say it's sleeper groups within the Company, it feels like a cheap way to have our cakes and eat it.
Quote from: SM on Jan 25, 2019, 09:48:56 AMWas Burke working alone or was he formally sanctioned?
I don't know...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2014, 09:35:50 PM
The way Burke phrased it, it sounded like it was someone else at the company who agreed to pick up Ripley's flight contract. Maybe they did it at Burke's behest with no questions asked. I don't know. I'm not saying that whoever did it was in on it. If anyone was in on it to any degree, I'd say it was someone in the bioweapons division who was expecting a specimen of "something interesting."
There may have been people Burke was working with, but the film gives us the distinct impression he's working alone. He's the kind of guy who would've issued SO 937. Both working without any official go ahead from higher up.
This is that but on a larger scale. Though not too large to avoid continuity issues.
No one is under any obligation, of course, to like this approach. :)
Quote from: SM on Jan 25, 2019, 01:20:10 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 25, 2019, 11:30:38 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 25, 2019, 04:08:41 AM
The Company is BIG and known for having some employees having a cavalier attitude with the lives of others.
The problem is that those are the ones that are shown too often and even then their evilness is usually quite over the top. For once I would like the story to focus on something else other than the "Evil W-Y". Even the introduction refers to them as the "malevolent megacorporation".The series just can't seem to get away from that angle.
So just ignore 38 issues worth of Fire & Stone, Life & Death and Dead Orbit, then?
Key word "
too often," not "always".
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 25, 2019, 01:55:05 PM
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Not sure what you are getting at. :P
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 25, 2019, 03:46:22 PM
Dead Orbit's excellent.
But yes, I'd advise everyone to ignore the former two. :D
I think SiL nailed it;
Quote from: SiL on Jan 25, 2019, 01:13:44 PM
I find WY much more interesting when they're just nudging people into shitty directions to see what happens, rather than overtly trying to endanger/f**k with/murder people. They were inspired by corporate negligence, but today they're just ... actively evil. Even if we say it's sleeper groups within the Company, it feels like a cheap way to have our cakes and eat it.
I agree with that too, negligence and ambiguity works, being a superhero or spy style villian does not.
It might help if we ever saw some powerful executives in the mining and terraforming divisions of Weyland-Yutani express some sort of resentment or disdain for their corporate siblings in the weapons division. That could serve to offset the perception that the entire company is rotten to the core.
QuoteKey word "too often," not "always".
Some more key words.
QuoteFor once I would like the story to focus on something else other than the "Evil W-Y".
Quote from: SM on Jan 26, 2019, 04:10:16 AM
QuoteKey word "too often," not "always".
Some more key words.
QuoteFor once I would like the story to focus on something else other than the "Evil W-Y".
Don't get smartass with me, I am really, really not in the mood today. You know what I meant so lets leave it at that.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 26, 2019, 03:40:09 AM
It might help if we ever saw some powerful executives in the mining and terraforming divisions of Weyland-Yutani express some sort of resentment or disdain for their corporate siblings in the weapons division. That could serve to offset the perception that the entire company is rotten to the core.
Perhaps but I don't think the entire bio-weapons division should be corrupt either. The three films work in my opinion because it is fairly realistic and its ambiguous, In the comics, games and what not. The company and other different companies as well just became cartoon villians, they also spend a lot of money on ventures that cost them dearly and they never learn. I would have thought smart businesses would know when to cut their losses and call it a day.
In fairness, in the comics, it usually other companies that are shown a lot I believe. But still, in the expanded universe media, W-Y has been shown to be comic book villians. AVP2010, A:CM for example I guess its not just W-Y I am tired of, but any company or organizations that goes down that route. I don't know about anyone else but I just feel It has just been done to death.
Just look at Doctor Groves, he would be more suited in austin powers or something, judging by his world domination audio log.
Alien Isolation was ambigious which I liked, Taylor and Samuals turned out to be fairly decent, though once again the androids took the orders to the extreme and started outright killing people, but that only happened after they determined humans to be a threat to the specimens. Other than that, it seems W-Y was fairly hands off, they bought it and just left orders to an A:I.
Humourously, W-Y is on the receiving end of this in Cold Forge by their old rival.
AVP is not the best film but I like how Weyland turns out to be ok guy, though there are some red herrings.
QuoteDon't get smartass with me, I am really, really not in the mood today. You know what I meant so lets leave it at that.
So avoid dumb hyperbole.
I'm not responsible for your moods.
No, but you are responsible for your actions.
That works both ways gents. Let's take a step back and calm down.
Could this series take place prior to the formation of the ECA? It implies that the colonization ships are entirely unregulated deathtraps that only desperate people would ever travel on.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 26, 2019, 11:06:46 AM
AVP 2010:
Just look at Doctor Groves, he would be more suited in something like "Austin Powers" judging by his world-domination audio log.
Alien Isolation, ambiguous.
The Cold Forge, corporate espionage.
AVP 2010's guilty of "Weyland Corp is evil!" In more ways that one. Using W-Y employees with no second thought for testing, Doctor Groves' supervillain personality and Bishop Weyland apparently being the head of the company since the beginning; body hopping and changing his first name but not his face? Weyland-Yutani outright owning the Colonial Marine core. Thankfully all of that belongs to the AVP/AVPR/The Predator timeline.
Well if we are mentioning games... AVP2 had a better approach to the company than the ones after it, they are of course interested mainly in results, but aren't killing their own employees for the lols, they need those people alive to achieve their goals, who are informed of what they will be encountering on their job, they use animals as hosts for aliens. They do keep a eye on the actions on those in charge of their facility, who are the ones that are actually doing bad things. Since due to where the facilities are located and to the amount of power given to the ones in charge, they can get a way with doing things that are against the company's interests and putting the lives of others in danger. Their corruption is the main source of the problems and we don't know how much WY is aware of.
But on Resistance, the main problem for me is when its set, they could have put such a story after 2179 and come up with a fine explanation where WY got the aliens, but they still want to milk the Ripley name so we are stuck on this. Knowing that WY already has some aliens somewhere makes the events on ALIENS and ALIEN 3 not much of a big deal.
Yep, and the question has yet to be answered.
Why not use animals?
Even from WY's point of view that would be better, they would be able to study the aliens's ability to take traits from their hosts as part of their growth through several examples, being to able evaluate both the physical and possible mental differences between each type of host they come from. A kind of research they did on AVP2. They could even use non-Earth animals. Considering WY have more control on colonies than on Earth, simply using other planets' indigenous life forms would probably be much cheaper and easier than kidnapping a shitload of humans from Earth. Specially if the base is build on a planet with animals already on it, space expeditions cost money, having a ship use so much expensive fuel to bring hosts when there are alternatives...
They are more interested on being evil than being efficient, its nothing new really, even if it wasn't WY... they could have just used animals on Resurrection, there wouldn't be the risk of hiring pirates to do the dirty work. The writers think that is needed otherwise WY is not villain enough and we woudn't root for the main characters otherwise, and they don't mind if it ends up not being so rational.
Dark Horse figured out a way to do this cleaner decades ago.
(https://i.imgur.com/HtLszd4.jpg)
I just hope there's an explanation as to why humans are necessary in the narrative. When primates were used in The Cold Forge instead.
Maybe 'they' learn lessons from decades earlier, or the two are entirely unrelated.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 27, 2019, 12:03:18 AM
Dark Horse figured out a way to do this cleaner decades ago.
(https://i.imgur.com/HtLszd4.jpg)
And they exposed hundreds on a space station in Berserker.
And Spears used colonists, and they used lepers in Purge, and marines in Rogue, etc.
Are you implying that the comics are inconsistent?
Quote from: SM on Jan 27, 2019, 12:48:22 AM
Maybe 'they' learn lessons from decades earlier, or the two are entirely unrelated.
What? It's still stupid regardless, and not in terms of people or organisations in universe learning from their actions- way.
But in a- it's so unbelievably stupid and short sighted- way, not to use animal testing first before moving on to human trial, if that's necessary- that it's genuinely hard to believe.
Regarding WY, its the bioweapons division that wants the alien. So I assume they would want to study how effective the creature is against humans and human populations.
If so, then you need to establish a foil to W-Y.
The UPP for instance, otherwise field tests are pointless.
Quote from: SM on Jan 27, 2019, 12:48:22 AM
marines in Rogue, etc.
Kleist also used those cloned bodies aka "dummies". In the marines's case it was his way of getting rid of people he didn't like, he didn't need to use them to make aliens.
Then why did Joyce have a pirated video of an old friend of hers getting chestbursted?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 27, 2019, 12:51:42 AM
Are you implying that the comics are inconsistent?
USM done it too.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 27, 2019, 01:02:08 AM
Regarding WY, its the bioweapons division that wants the alien. So I assume they would want to study how effective the creature is against humans and human populations.
Imagine that. ;)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 26, 2019, 05:37:08 PM
Could this series take place prior to the formation of the ECA? It implies that the colonization ships are entirely unregulated deathtraps that only desperate people would ever travel on.
Its doubly sinister if you take into account that because they are known to be deathtraps, if they go missing, no one is going to bat an eyelash, thus the evil W-Y gets free hosts and the money from the desperate peeps at the same time.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 26, 2019, 06:04:40 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 26, 2019, 11:06:46 AM
AVP 2010:
Just look at Doctor Groves, he would be more suited in something like "Austin Powers" judging by his world-domination audio log.
Alien Isolation, ambiguous.
The Cold Forge, corporate espionage.
AVP 2010's guilty of "Weyland Corp is evil!" In more ways that one. Using W-Y employees with no second thought for testing, Doctor Groves' supervillain personality and Bishop Weyland apparently being the head of the company since the beginning; body hopping and changing his first name but not his face? Weyland-Yutani outright owning the Colonial Marine core. Thankfully all of that belongs to the AVP/AVPR/The Predator timeline.
Not just employees but apparently colonists as well, as I believe some of the audio logs mention something about missing or abducted colonists.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jan 26, 2019, 10:00:44 PM
Well if we are mentioning games... AVP2 had a better approach to the company than the ones after it, they are of course interested mainly in results, but aren't killing their own employees for the lols, they need those people alive to achieve their goals, who are informed of what they will be encountering on their job, they use animals as hosts for aliens. They do keep a eye on the actions on those in charge of their facility, who are the ones that are actually doing bad things. Since due to where the facilities are located and to the amount of power given to the ones in charge, they can get a way with doing things that are against the company's interests and putting the lives of others in danger. Their corruption is the main source of the problems and we don't know how much WY is aware of.
But on Resistance, the main problem for me is when its set, they could have put such a story after 2179 and come up with a fine explanation where WY got the aliens, but they still want to milk the Ripley name so we are stuck on this. Knowing that WY already has some aliens somewhere makes the events on ALIENS and ALIEN 3 not much of a big deal.
They have been using convicts for hosts though it seems, also I think there was PDA about using the predators as well.
Quote from: SM on Jan 27, 2019, 01:50:48 AM
Then why did Joyce have a pirated video of an old friend of hers getting chestbursted?
Just like the marines he was probably someone that pissed Kleist off, he didn't
need to use him as a host, he choose it. The thing is: Kleist could simply use the dummies to breed the aliens. He choose not to sometimes because he was an over the top comic book villain. Which seems to be the path they are going with on Resistance.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 27, 2019, 01:58:21 AM
They have been using convicts for hosts though it seems, also I think there was PDA about using the predators as well.
Yeah, convicts were experimented on, also used for hosts sometimes, but those weren't like really innocent people, which is why I didn't compare to how WY did things on the other games. Its also implied that the convicts are fully sedated when its done. On Harrison's case it was unfair of course, but that pure revenge from Dunya, WY had no involvement in the schemes of Rykov and his team.
One of Prince's teammates was used to produce a Predalien, the one you free as an alien and kill as Harrison. Well the Predators aren't exactly innocent either, they don't have a problem on using humans for that. Both Predators and WY scientists can be seen as evil.
Quote from: SM on Jan 27, 2019, 01:50:48 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 27, 2019, 01:02:08 AM
Regarding WY, its the bioweapons division that wants the alien. So I assume they would want to study how effective the creature is against humans and human populations.
Imagine that. ;)
"For what purpose Master Chief?"
Lots of places are inhabited by humans, while there's only one Planet of the Apes.
Quote from: SM on Jan 27, 2019, 01:50:48 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 27, 2019, 12:51:42 AM
Are you implying that the comics are inconsistent?
USM done it too.
Yet another trip down memory lane...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2015, 12:28:49 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 26, 2015, 10:34:22 AM
Weyland-Yutani is a Company run by yuppies that doesn't have anywhere near the authority the EU gave it. They still have to dance around governing bodies. They aren't a government unto themselves, nor were they EVER portrayed as such.
They were arseholes, not Bond villains.
Conversely, AR was a missed opportunity to depict the USM scientists as well-intentioned and ethical. I hated Perez and Wren the most for turning out to be such mustache twirling villains.
I also hated them for using innocent humans as breeding stock when they could have gotten the same results with ordinary lab animals.
Such pointlessly goofy nonsense in that movie.
If you want them for urban pacification - you test them on those you wish to pacify.
Lab animals are already chill.
I always thought "urban pacification" was a completely inadequate euphemism for deliberately unleashing a biological weapon on a civilian population center that kills indiscriminately. That is, unless the aliens are going to be trained to use stun guns and tear gas instead...
A population can be considered pacified when it can't fight back.
A dead population can't fight back.
(I'm being real facetious here)
Sterilized facehuggers would actually be pretty effective for non-lethal pacification.
Also I would have though the whole point of the bio-weapons programme was to have the drones trained and unleashed on enemies, not facehuggers. So there really is no excuse for not using animals as hosts.
I don't even think they legally even be allowed to use the parasites nevermind the adult aliens, I mean that would be some serious violations of all sorts rules in war. Death by chestburster would be immensely inhumane.
One would also think that company develops such weapons for sale to the military, not for their own use.
Mostly when people wanted to test the effectiveness of a concept against a population, they'd use prisoners or captives. Unit 739 did the most heinous, unconscionable shit - but against prisoners during war, not random populations.
My guess is that in this story, being a company, they don't have prisoners - but they do have out of the way colonies they can play with.
My personal issue is any attempt at integrating this stuff with the films. If it were just "f**k it, we'll do whatever with the EU and that's that" I wouldn't bat an eyelid, but when it's trying to dance with canon and slip in it starts feeling like a cheap way to stay in the popular period without rocking the boat.
But, as SM said, nobody is obligated to like the approach.
It is cheap.
But even if I take it at face value, say they need to test them this way against a civilian population, to test effectiveness.
Tell me why.
Who are they going to use this tactic on?
Urban pacification in a warzone. Drop it on the civilian population to turn them into nightmare monsters that fight whatever insurgents/freedom fighters/terrorists/opposing forces are in the area.
My big problem is that it's pretty easy to see how unleashing monsters onto a population might work in a combat setting. The real test is pacifying the monsters you've now unleashed. Testing that would be better done in a controlled environment, then testing the urban pacification and the monster pacification methods together.
Perhaps that's why they're using the colony. Only so much of;
Quote from: SiL on Jan 27, 2019, 12:16:57 PM
Testing that would be better done in a controlled environment, then testing the urban pacification and the monster pacification methods together.
You can do in a controlled environment, because there's things in a natural environment you might not have considered in the lab tests.
So the closest you can get to a natural environment that you have control over is one of your own colonies. Okay, say I buy that.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 27, 2019, 12:16:57 PM
Urban pacification in a warzone. Drop it on the civilian population to turn them into nightmare monsters that fight whatever insurgents/freedom fighters/terrorists/opposing forces are in the area.
What freedom fighters/terrorists?Is my big problem, what's the opposing force? My suspension of disbelief only stretches so much before it breaks. I need to know who they intend to use the Alien against, what justifies in
their eyes this kind of viciousness- shadow organisation within W-Y or otherwise.
Why do we need to know the specifics of an opposing force? It would seem unrealistic to think the alien universe doesnt have geopolitical strife, wars, opposing factions/governments/mega corporations. It seems that the bioweapons division knows they can use the alien to make huge profits or shift power struggles in their favor. In order to do that they would need to know just how effective the alien is against human populations.
I mean, the fact they have giant f**k-off warships at all is a good indication enemy forces exist. There'd be no sense having the firepower the USCM is carrying on a ship like the Sulaco if there was never a need for it.
Either the Alien universe has a major change to what is considered a war crime and what is acceptable to actually use in a war or nobody would ever use it and parties who would, would become pariahs like Syria or North Korea today.
Every country has an army, most have not fought a war in decades. So the fact that war machinery is present indicates nothing.
To assume a a corporation would openly test bio weapons large scale on human populations is ridiculous however you approach it.
As it would need hundreds of sociopaths working together, hundreds of people all in on it, thousands of lose ends to cover it up, all for dubious gains and potentially finishing off the company for good when word gets out.
It just does not add up if you want to keep it grounded in reality and you don't want WY turned into Umbrella with supervillian underground labs and moon bases.
It's hard to tell to what degree when we aren't shown any opposing forces though, even if there's indication there is. I know we witness Zula Hendricks fighting an unnamed foe. I'm not denying any of these things exist in the Alien Universe:
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 27, 2019, 01:38:20 PM
Geopolitical strife, Opposing factions, Mega-Corporations, Governments, Wars.
Ridiculous otherwise.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Jan 27, 2019, 01:58:30 PM
Either the Alien universe has a major change to what is considered a war crime and what is acceptable to actually use in a war or nobody would ever use it.
Exactly. The story needs to justify even the
potential use of the Alien, ergo- testing. The
Resistance depiction.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 27, 2019, 12:30:40 PM
My suspension of disbelief only stretches so much before it breaks. I need to know who they intend to use the Alien against, what justifies in their eyes this kind of viciousness- shadow organisation within W-Y or otherwise.
QuoteI always thought "urban pacification" was a completely inadequate euphemism for deliberately unleashing a biological weapon on a civilian population center that kills indiscriminately.
I know. Great isn't it?
QuoteUnit 739 did the most heinous, unconscionable shit - but against prisoners during war, not random populations.
I specifically mentioned unit 731 as something to be avoided when discussing this storyline.
I always thought "urban pacification" meant; "We're going to use the Alien's biological components, it's unusual combination of elements (tough SOB) to improve our warfare."
Not; "We're gonna nuke 'em with something we can't control, that may be considered a war crime, we've done the in-lab testing, now we need to see how it'll do out the field. We can use one of our colonies."
The part that's missing that makes the latter make some sense, is an enemy that W-Y intends to use this biological warfare against that threatens their existence so much- it justifies this biological warfare test.
(Perhaps something that threatens the Capitalism itself W-Y exists because of.)
'Urban pacification' is deliberately dropping them on unruly civilians or enemies or "terrorists".
Wren talks about other applications as things that go "way beyond urban pacification".
Quote from: SM on Jan 27, 2019, 02:45:10 PM
'Urban pacification' is deliberately dropping them on unruly civilians or enemies or "terrorists".
That's not the definition.
"
Potential applications go way beyond urban pacification."
You can still utilise the biological components, the Alien has
for urban pacification.
Utilisation of the components that make up their "skin" tough and acid resistant seems a worthwhile improvement upon armor for instance don't you think?
Or how about, considering the fact an Alien demonstrated the ability to crawl through an active space-worthy engine; using those same elements seems a worthwhile improvement upon both armor and weapons overheating.
"Like nothing we've ever seen."
"But I have confirmed that he's got an outer layer of protein polysaccharides. He has a funny habit of shedding his cells and replacing them with polarized silicon, which gives him a prolonged resistance to adverse environmental conditions."
"An interesting combination of elements, making him a tough little son of a bitch."
It's a rather weak argument to state;
'Urban pacification' is deliberately dropping them on unruly civilians or enemies or "terrorists".As if that's their only application for urban pacification.
Ugh, Unit 739 is definitely something I didn't need reminding of. Truly incomprehensible horror.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 27, 2019, 09:39:41 AM
Sterilized facehuggers would actually be pretty effective for non-lethal pacification.
More effective than current methods? Alien eggs take time to produce, they're (presumably) single-use, they sit in eggs unless triggered (in which case you have to wrangle them into a holding container) and you'd need a shitload of them to pacify a riot. Is that easier than using a mechanized assembly line to crank out, like, flying drones that deploy tear gas or whatever?
Luckily they appear to have an indefinite shelf-life.
Speaking of wrangling, I haven't read through Sea of Sorrows all the way yet - does the book cover the capture of the two live facehuggers in 'Aliens'?
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 27, 2019, 04:17:05 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 27, 2019, 09:39:41 AM
Sterilized facehuggers would actually be pretty effective for non-lethal pacification.
More effective than current methods? Alien eggs take time to produce, they're (presumably) single-use, they sit in eggs unless triggered (in which case you have to wrangle them into a holding container) and you'd need a shitload of them to pacify a riot. Is that easier than using a mechanized assembly line to crank out, like, flying drones that deploy tear gas or whatever?
No, I think modern methods would be both more effective and more humane. Then again, I never thought of urban pacification as a potential application until AR brought it up.
QuoteIt's a rather weak argument to state;
'Urban pacification' is deliberately dropping them on unruly civilians or enemies or "terrorists".
As if that's their only application for urban pacification.
I'm not seeing any other meaning for 'urban pacification' in this context.
Would it be accurate to say that all our whinging is premature until the whole story is told?
Nah.
The story has a long way to run, so best to get in early with the whinging and beat the rush.
Quote from: SM on Jan 28, 2019, 12:31:45 AM
I'm not seeing any other meaning for 'urban pacification' in this context.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 27, 2019, 03:05:00 PM
"Potential applications go way beyond urban pacification."
You can still utilise the biological components, the Alien has for urban pacification.
Wren & Gedimen never state that utilisation of the Alien as foot-soldiers is what they mean, that's merely an assumption.
And the only assumption I can see that fits in this instance.
Other applications are a bonus.
But... it's clearly not the only assumption that fits.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 28, 2019, 12:36:50 AM
Would it be accurate to say that all our whinging is premature until the whole story is told?
I like griping.
I like whinging. Especially when SM is obligated to remain cryptic about what he knows.
You know much different it will make?
This much
(https://media.wired.com/photos/5926d9c6f3e2356fd800aa71/master/w_1920,c_limit/aliens5006.jpg)
I figure if we whinge enough, you'll make some calls and stop the presses.
Now Hicks needs to swoop in with Dallas telling the crew to knock it off.
Resistance has a difficult job ahead of it, not only does it have to redeem the last six issues of Defiance, but also be a worthy successor to Isolation, justify the controlled Xenomorphs without undermining the idea that they can't really be controlled, develop Amanda Ripley and Zula Hendricks as characters and justify the war crime W-Y just committed that sets up the premise. (All whilst covering it all up convincingly somehow so it doesn't effect continuity.) All could be very exciting if handled well, if not- I dread to think.
So it just needs to tell a good story, basically.
As for continuity -- The EU is always second fiddle, if that. If it screws the pooch on continuity it can be easily ignored. I doubt that'll be the case, just whether people like the conceit (such as Ripley Memory Wipes, tm).
Jesus Christ, I hope we don't have a DH Novel Trilogy (Either) situation on our hands, contrivances left and right.
Don't forget that the company has to lose all traces of their specimens so that Ripley and her queen are their only hope.
Yeah...
We'll see.
Can I count on you to whinge?
If the justification for W-Y's actions isn't something that threatens their existence as an entity, you can bet your ass.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 27, 2019, 04:17:05 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 27, 2019, 09:39:41 AM
Sterilized facehuggers would actually be pretty effective for non-lethal pacification.
More effective than current methods? Alien eggs take time to produce, they're (presumably) single-use, they sit in eggs unless triggered (in which case you have to wrangle them into a holding container) and you'd need a shitload of them to pacify a riot. Is that easier than using a mechanized assembly line to crank out, like, flying drones that deploy tear gas or whatever?
Luckily they appear to have an indefinite shelf-life.
Speaking of wrangling, I haven't read through Sea of Sorrows all the way yet - does the book cover the capture of the two live facehuggers in 'Aliens'?
That was River of Pain and I think it does mention the scientists removed the huggers from the colonists, which killed them. One of the characters chews them out for it I believe.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 28, 2019, 01:29:45 AM
Don't forget that the company has to lose all traces of their specimens so that Ripley and her queen are their only hope.
People seem to having great difficulty in separating The Company from its opportunistic employees.
Was it this difficult to get one's head around when Burke attempted to murder people to obtain specimens?
So Michael Bishop's an opportunistic employee?
Are you suggesting that the events on Fiorina 161-
are ultimately irrelevant in the larger scheme of things
because they have access to the Alien around the same timeframe?
I don't think I suggested anything of the sort.
Isn't that what Local Trouble's referring to though?
Ripley and her Queen...
Being that, unless they lose access to all their specimens, there's no real reason to be upset that Ellen Ripley threw herself into a furnace or for the audience to give a toss about the conclusion if they've got a ACM situation going on back there.
I was referring to the 'Company losing all traces'. If it's some people doing a Burke, the Company can't lose what they may not have had in the first place.
That said they had them at the end of Defiance and again decades later prior to the events of Aliens in Cold Forge.
Fair enough.
Defiance requires a sequel, one worthwhile reason is Doctor Hollis' fate. The Company. The Alien.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 27, 2019, 04:17:05 PM
Speaking of wrangling, I haven't read through Sea of Sorrows all the way yet - does the book cover the capture of the two live facehuggers in 'Aliens'?
River of Pain. Those 2 are removed "offscreen", as well as how it went with the 2 teams that were facehugged after Russ. Its implied the scientists were more interested on getting a live specimen for study than actually saving the host. The author added some WY bad scientists, because adding marines wasn't enough.
Another hugger they try removed by freezing the fingers with nitrozen, they remove a finger without having to deal with acid all over the place, but the hugger cuts the host oxygen in response.
I'm not bothered by this characterization of WY. It's a massive company and it makes sense that certain opportunistic employees would set to their own little experiments in the depths of space, outside of direct company oversight. That's basicallly what Burke did in the movie over 30 years ago. Not everything is the high level execs twirling their mustaches.
The kind of funding that would be needed to do what they're depicted as doing in Resistance would require more than a few opportunistic employees. It would require a very careful group, covering their tracks within W-Y.
They covered up what really happened on LV-426 pretty well, even after it all went south. 40 years later people just think of it as a tragic reactor accident.
The incident in Aliens 1986 requires:
Carter Burke to send colonists out to investigate the Derelict.
A USCM team disappears,
Carter Burke disappears.
The Colony disappears.
"System overload, maybe."
The incident in -Resistance requires:
Individuals to obtain the Alien.
Somewhere to store the Alien.
Individuals to breed the Alien.
Individuals to develop the technology for deployment.
Someone to fly the dropship to deploy on the civilians.
Individuals to develop the technology for "Handlers".
Seems like the WY Report will need an update on the Amanda Ripley section.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 29, 2019, 10:06:46 PM
That's not remotely the same, that place disappeared.
The incident in Aliens 1986 requires:
Carter Burke to send colonists out to investigate the Derelict.
A USCM team disappears, Carter Burke disappears.
The Colony disappears. "System overload, maybe."
The incident in -Resistance requires:
Individuals to obtain the Alien. (& Keep it Quiet)
Somewhere to store the Alien. (& KiQ)
Individuals to breed the Alien. (& KiQ)
Individuals to develop the technology for deployment. (& KiQ)
Someone to fly the dropship to deploy on the civilians.(& KiQ)
Individuals to develop the technology for "Handlers". (& KiQ)
And all of this has to be funded somehow, people paid.
All that is in Resistance?
All of that has to have happened for the Resistance story to happen, and the money has to come from somewhere.
Perhaps wait to see how it pans out...?
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 29, 2019, 09:29:04 PM
They covered up what really happened on LV-426 pretty well, even after it all went south. 40 years later people just think of it as a tragic reactor accident.
I was replying to this, saying how the ideas of covering up both incidents aren't comparable.
There's far more people involved in Resistance already than what's depicted in James Cameron's film.
Quote from: SM on Jan 30, 2019, 03:21:51 AM
Perhaps wait to see how it pans out...?
I think she's presuming that the Instagram posts reflect actual events in the story.
Beautiful stuff, but also stylistically the girls are very "beautified" -very aesthetic.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 31, 2019, 06:17:44 PM
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Those first few pages with the Cityscape views were fantastic. Reminded me of a storyboarded movie intro with the opening credits.
Having finally read this, i did enjoy it but i agree with others that it feels like we are missing Issue #1 of a slightly longer series
Missing issue #1?
I believe the 12 issues of Defiance provide a good backstory.
For the other girl, for Amanda I guess the new game might explain the gap between Isolation and Resistance.
#Whinge
There's a novel coming out about Amanda.
That's nice.
Blackout?
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It doesn't, not really.
It establishes Amanda Ripley
wanted to go to Earth, and viola
Resistance.
But character depth?
I hope the novel will do.
A novelization of Blackout? :laugh:
Alien Isolation Novelisation.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 02, 2019, 02:43:39 AM
For the other girl, for Amanda I guess the new game might explain the gap between Isolation and Resistance.
It very casually & vaguely does.
Toward the end of the first level, Amanda says that
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the crew of the Mendel Station "pulled [her] out of a bad situation" and brought her on board. When she awoke from hypersleep, she found that most of the crew was already killed by a xenomorph. She states that she knows the alien was born on the ship and asks Yutani if she knew what "they had cooking" there, so she obviously came across evidence of the aliens being bred and/or studied on the station.
Then the whole game proceeds to show how Amanda got out of that situation with the intention of going to Earth.
I'm not sure how much more information about the gap between Isolation and Resistance we really need. Personally, all I wanted to know was how Amanda got out of the pickle she was in at the end of Isolation, and I got my answer.
Perhaps this goes here?
I think that TRJ is 100% on the money, but optimistic about any quality AVP/AVPR has,
if any of the films would actually work as an Arthouse Silent film; it's Prometheus.
This guy
gets ALIEN more so than anyone else that has worked on the franchise,
other than maybe Alex White.
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I have to correct Tristan Jones on something, the Queen is shown exiting the Elevator "Close your eyes baby."
Then, the Dropship arrives and the landing gear catches on debris in one of it's front two landing gear struts,
the Queen gets on the third Landing strut at the back of the Dropship.
&
The Theatrical Version's superior.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 19, 2019, 01:06:40 AM
I think that TRJ is 100% on the money, but optimistic about any quality AVP/AVPR has,
if any of the films would actually work as an Arthouse Silent film; it's Prometheus.
This guy gets ALIEN more so than anyone else that has worked on the franchise,
other than maybe Alex White.
Thanks man! Not so much optomistic, because they're both f**king dreadful. Both of them. And honestly, AVP is a broken concept. Great in theory but yet to be done compellingly. I only say AVPR is a silent movie because I literally don't give a f**k about what any human on screen says, so they may as well be silent. I'm only in it for the Wolf Predator, because I hate the Alien designs in that film as well.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 19, 2019, 01:06:40 AM
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I have to correct Tristan Jones on something, the Queen is shown exiting the Elevator "Close your eyes baby."
Then, the Dropship arrives and the landing gear catches on debris in one of it's front two landing gear struts,
the Queen gets on the third Landing strut at the back of the Dropship.
&
The Theatrical Version's superior.
Fair cop; I remembered after, but still, this is some bullshit clunk...
(https://i.stack.imgur.com/i5EX3.gif)
It is convenient, I'll give you that.
As for the "Egg on the Sulaco"
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Quote from: The Old One on Aug 20, 2018, 11:00:02 AM
It was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
(The Facehuggers obviously ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà .
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.)
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley
Regardless, I'd love to see your ideas about the Alien come to fruition in that hypothetical Graphic Novel,
I think you hit the nail on the head with how the Pathogen should relate to them, and the caste system.
Sorry man, I added more to the original post, but nothing really worth noting. ALIENS is full of contrivances and conveniences, and it breaks it all for me.
I would honestly love nothing more than to do that book. I've got a few surprises up my sleeve for it, too, so with any luck, we can get it to happen. Like I said in the podcast -- polite requests to Spencer and Randy to let me do the graphic novel might help ;) If there's a market for an ALIEN book over an ALIENS series, they need to know.
I agree, AVP is a broken concept- there's nothing there really interesting to explore in my opinion. Aside from a fantastic idea for a three way dynamic in a videogame, Predator needs to spread it's wings and go full Metabarons. Colourful and hyper-unreal violence, all at once in a European style. Far, far away from the realism and nihilism of Alien (Capitalist, Corporate and Cosmic Rape of existence).
I extrapolate in the YouTube comments on why exactly I believe there is a market, I don't think it's a mere coincidence that both of the best recent Alien entries are ALIEN entries, not ALIEN$ entries. Not to degrade the work of anyone on the comics now, in the past or the future.
It's more in the spirit of the work, for instance- despite being titled Aliens: Dead Orbit, Dead Orbit is more Alien than Aliens- don't be fooled. As is Alex White's The Cold Forge and obviously Isolation.
Feel free to screen cap the comments and harass those two if you like, but I doubt the fanbase could convince them the market exists even if we all messaged them at the same time. But maybe we should anyway.
Predator worked best when it wasn't colourful, hyper-unreal violence. McTiernan's restraint in the original is a saving grace, not a failing. Remove that restraint and it turns quickly into ludicrous trash.
The Fifth Element is ludicrous but isn't trash;
Predator could do much the same, OR smaller scale horror-action more in tune with the original, either's good IMO.
The Fifth Element is a galaxy-spanning comic book extravaganza that's about as far away from a Predator movie as you can get. Why would that be a good recommendation?
Because throwing a Predator into a space opera would catch my interest, I've seen him hunt man quite a few too many times without any interesting developments now. Aside from Predator 2, which is off the wall, and feels unreal, in a fun colourful way. And Predator Concrete Jungle is much the same, I think Predator should run with that sorta not-so-serious tone.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 19, 2019, 08:10:15 AM
Because throwing a Predator into a space opera would catch my interest
Throwing the Alien into a Hallmark drama would catch my interest; whether it's an idea with merit is another thing entirely :P
Well... What's the alternative with PREDATOR?
Because I don't see one, I think taking it seriously is evidently a bit of a one trick pony. Maybe I'm wrong and we'll get a good, serious Predator film or game in the future though.
Taking it seriously and a film production bringing their A game. We've had the combination all of once.
Once.
I'm not sure what you're trying to ad to the discussion with that ??? Are you agreeing? Disagreeing?
I'm saying it happened once, but everything else since that's been successful to some degree, at least to keep the brand afloat were varying degrees of not-so-serious. And I'm not advocating for slapstick comedy, but just a colourful, dark, twisted Predator mythos that- like themselves (running around in fishnets and loincloths hunting men in a jungle) may seem ludicrous at first glance, and to a degree it is but- is taken seriously in the context of it's own narrative.
Thanks. Not sure how I was supposed to get all that from "Once."
No problem.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2019, 08:19:21 AM
Taking it seriously and a film production bringing their A game. We've had the combination all of once.
In what context are you using "seriously" here? Because if you mean tone, I'd say at least twice ('Predator' and 'Predators').
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 21, 2019, 09:25:04 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2019, 08:19:21 AM
Taking it seriously and a film production bringing their A game. We've had the combination all of once.
In what context are you using "seriously" here? Because if you mean tone, I'd say at least twice ('Predator' and 'Predators').
Predators fell short of the second half of the combination.
Just read issue one. It was ok. Much better than the second half of Defiance just on the basis that it was competently written.
Not super excited about the prospect of continuing Amanda's story like this, and the portrayal of WY is pretty cartoon villain-esque, but I have a soft spot for Zula and Davis.
An advanced review for #2: https://www.monkeysfightingrobots.co/advance-review-in-aliens-resistance-2-horror-is-replaced-by-mystery/
Issue 2 felt quite average, meh, whole story feels unnecessary. But I wouldn't mind seeing those combat synths on other stuff.
Solid issue! Already impatiently waiting for issue 3 though with that cliffhanger! My only critique is the dialogue boxes on certain panels make it difficult to figure out which character is doing the talking. I know some comics give different shades to the dialogue boxes to help differentiate but it's usually done with superheroes who always wear the same color making it easier to color coordinate with.
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I really like that synthetics run this black site. It makes sense as they wouldn't have to worry about pesky human ethics haha
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Feb 28, 2019, 06:47:49 PM
My only critique is the dialogue boxes on certain panels make it difficult to figure out which character is doing the talking.
Agreed... Honestly, I think I had a bigger problem with it than you did. I kind of struggled to understand what was going on for a lot of this issue.
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If the majority of the dirty work is being done by androids under the cabal's direction, I think my concerns over the pretext have been assuaged.
Agreed LT, that helps me enjoy the story more as well.
The artist is good, though I like how he draws the environments more than the characters. Amanda and Zula look a bit cartoonish but the atmosphere created in the panels is really nice for now.
W-Y splinter cell; Synthetics utilization? Excellent news.
Now, the resources require explanation.
Yeah second issue was okay. Was hoping they would run into an alien in this issue but no dice.
How many issues in this series? If its only 4 thats going to feel really short for the story they are telling.
Perhaps it's a purposeful, longer form story (hence no Alien) and the resultant (Resistance/Rescue/R) paperback edition's the emphasis?
Preview for #3
http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2019/03/28/exclusive-dark-horse-preview-aliens-resistance-3/
Hopefully there are some xenos in this issue.
;D exactly what I was thinking
I'm all for slow build ups, but when we have only 4 issues, I usually don't adore the pace. Still, there is potential in showing very little of the aliens here if they do it in an effective way with fantastic visuals when they do. Then only a few shots give it a lot more punch. Curious to see how this goes.
And maybe my brain isn't working, but I don't understand at all what happened in the preview. Mostly the transition from the second before last and last page.
Zula is deploying an emergency device.
Thanks.
Didn't really get that from the panel. Interesting, I can get behind that.
It will become clearer.
I really don't like to say it but I am finding this series quite boring.
Not sure what it is. Perhaps when it's finished it will fair better I'm a complete read through.
I sort of agree. I wanted to love this series, but so far it's gone in a weird direction I'm bout sure I like.
Its not a bad series but its lacking everything I loved about the first few issues of Defiance. Where's the dread and the tension? The aliens appearance in this issue is over before it really starts, which is a shame since we are on issue 3 already.
Some of the story elements are fairly interesting though.
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WY Alien breeding experiments run by android/alien guards. Breeding a ton of generations of the creatures sounds kinda interesting too.
Ya I'm certainly intrigued by this story if nothing else. However the lack of aliens isn't that much of an issue for me as the company serves as the primary antagonist (which I'll concede may have worked better as a novel than a comic, considering corporate warfare is a much less "visual" type of action). Nonetheless I'm excited to see how the story concludes with issue 4 or continues with "Rescue".
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 10, 2019, 01:52:59 PM
I really don't like to say it but I am finding this series quite boring.
Not sure what it is. Perhaps when it's finished it will fair better I'm a complete read through.
I feel like this dude is wrangled in by the amount of issues he's offered. That's probably it, he has a grandiose story to tell but only so much page time to tell it. Which simply wasn't the case with Defiance.
Resistance is followed by Rescue. All told it will be only two issues less than Defiance.
Two shorter? Two part wrap-up confirmed?
No.
It's two linked 4 parters vs. one 10 parter.
Oh, I was thinking Defiance was 12. I really need to re-read it again sometime.
I dug the new issue.
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Not sure how I feel about the bulletproof androids though. Especially if the weapons that Amanda and Zula are using are indeed USCM-grade pulse rifles and ammo.
SM?
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I dunno. It's 40 years before the tech we see in Aliens.
I haven't had a chance to buy any of Resistance yet, but I hope that Zula's line - possibly the best in any Aliens comic ever - at the bottom of page 14 is still in it.
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She peed her pants a little bit.
That's the one.
So far it's exceeding my expectations quite a bit. Well done.
Nowt to do wi' me.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 08, 2016, 11:04:39 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 08, 2016, 10:29:50 PM
I don't have any authority to ratify anything - just suggest and advise. And, no.
Still as pathologically modest as Nelson Bighetti (https://twitter.com/siliconvallism/status/621401095127101440).
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 14, 2019, 11:59:50 PM
Oh, I was thinking Defiance was 12. I really need to re-read it again sometime.
It is 12 issues mate. SM has got this muddled
Yeah I did. Sorry 'bout that.
Must've been thinking about the old Colonial Marines comics.
I enjoyed the new issue. I'm really starting to dig Robert Carey's style and Dan Jackson is fantastic as always.
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We get a brief introduction to one of Rescue's main characters. I assume he gets a bigger presence next issue. I also loved that we're in a jungle and getting to see Aliens in that environment! I would have loved an extended Jurassic Park sequence and more of them actually in there which was a shame. Loved the Alien too - seems like a hybrid of some fashion.
I'm intrigued with these new synthetics too. I need to reread the earlier issues but these new ones looked different?
Thumbed through my copy when it came yesterday.
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I like the xeno design when we saw it. WY has definitely been tweaking them. It almost reminded me of the NECA Scorpion xeno.
Also, you were right, Hicks these appear to be different synthetics. I like the design.
Just finished issue 4 and although it was action packed, it left us on a pretty epic cliffhanger... Luckily "Rescue" issue one is out in two weeks time. Not sure why Dark Horse didn't just make the whole 8 issue run "Resistance" as opposed to breaking it up into two four issue arcs. Maybe it's like Ultramorph said regarding more people buying the first issue of a series. Fun issue nonetheless even if I was expecting more of a conclusion.
Edit: Turns out the first issue of "Rescue" got pushed back to July 24 :(
Sadly I haven't enjoyed this series. I find it boring.
I enjoyed it initially. But every time an alien comic does the
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"guys\gals with infinite ammo mow down armies of aliens" part
it kinda loses me.
Bringing back
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Bellybursters was a little silly for me, too much of a reminder of Requiem and just like that film there is multiple bellybursters per host. Three in one guy and then the other two kill one of their own.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 09, 2019, 10:35:54 AM
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Bellybursters was a little silly for me, too much of a reminder of Requiem and just like that film there is multiple bellybursters per host. Three in one guy and then the other two kill one of their own.
Yeah, not a fan of that. I don't need the reminders of Requiem. :-X
That was
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a pretty big cliff-hanger. If you look behind them they deployed some sort of device. Maybe the same thing they crashed in? I mean we know Zula has to survive to be in Prototype.
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Bellybursters was a little silly for me, too much of a reminder of Requiem and just like that film there is multiple bellybursters per host. Three in one guy and then the other two kill one of their own.
Yeah, not a fan of that. I don't need the reminders of Requiem. :-X
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a pretty big cliff-hanger. If you look behind them they deployed some sort of device. Maybe the same thing they crashed in? I mean we know Zula has to survive to be in Prototype.
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Correct. And Prototype is set before this.
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I enjoyed it initially. But every time an alien comic does the
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"guys\gals with infinite ammo mow down armies of aliens" part
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Infinite? They literally run out of ammo
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Bellybursters was a little silly for me, too much of a reminder of Requiem and just like that film there is multiple bellybursters per host. Three in one guy and then the other two kill one of their own.
Thought the same thing
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Davis made a quick comment regarding rapidly breeding generations of the xenos which begs the question whether or not we're dealing with "pure" Xenomorphs or something other.
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Bellybursters was a little silly for me, too much of a reminder of Requiem and just like that film there is multiple bellybursters per host. Three in one guy and then the other two kill one of their own.
Yeah, not a fan of that. I don't need the reminders of Requiem. :-X
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a pretty big cliff-hanger. If you look behind them they deployed some sort of device. Maybe the same thing they crashed in? I mean we know Zula has to survive to be in Prototype.
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not to mention the blurbs for issues 1-3 of Rescue has already confirmed (spoiled) that both survive.
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I enjoyed it initially. But every time an alien comic does the
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"guys\gals with infinite ammo mow down armies of aliens" part
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Infinite? They literally run out of ammo
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A hyperbole. It's more the reduction of the aliens to a swarm of mindless canon fodder getting mowed down full auto that I don't enjoy.
Bellybursters from Requiem? Nah, not really. More along the lines of something like this -- https://youtu.be/vMG-LWyNcAs
There's also the added benefit of not being just ordinary Xeno's, genetically tampered and all. Although I figured WY would use them for more practical purposes like y'know finding the cure for cancer and then selling it top dollar. Something that would actually befit a megacorporation instead of mass destruction.
What bugs the hell outta me is this artwork. Almost like the art in that one Fire & Stone comic where the humans are passable but the aliens looked like the artist traced over a buncha NECA figurines.
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I enjoyed it initially. But every time an alien comic does the
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"guys\gals with infinite ammo mow down armies of aliens" part
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Infinite? They literally run out of ammo
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A hyperbole. It's more the reduction of the aliens to a swarm of mindless canon fodder getting mowed down full auto that I don't enjoy.
Now here's the conundrum; they either do that or get eated by the horde. This is the inherit problem with making something too formidable, because by all accounts they should've stood no chance, at least with Predator you can blame it on hubris right when the tables get turned. Here it's just kinda eye-rolling because you know the plot demands the characters to survive. I mean hell, when was the last time their acid ever presented a problem for anyone?
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@Kurgan although I don't disagree with you I also don't think it was too over the top in this instance as the horde was all but upon them and they were essentially out of ammo. They were pretty much done for at that moment and would've been if not for the nuke.
Just read all 4 issues recently. Meh. It's ... dry, i suppose. There's much of great ideas but i feel none of them really went anywhere. And i think there weren't even great deal of xenomorph encounters in it which upsets me the most.
Binged the four issues tonight, it was a decent set up. Probably would've been better if Resistance and Rescue were combined into one series rather than splitting them
Wasn't very impressed with this series. It felt like a rushed setup for another story. It skipped along so fast and it lacked tension and atmosphere. Pretty much lacked any of the good things about defiance. Hopefully the next series (rescue?) Improves on this.
According to tfaw rescue was delayed from 5/22 with no new release date.
Dark Horse's website has Rescue #1 listed for July 24th.
https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/3004-097/Aliens-Rescue-1 (https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/3004-097/Aliens-Rescue-1)
Maybe I'm being cynical but is this whole thing a big contrived waste,
which retroactively hurt Defiance and Isolation's stories, am I alone in this feeling?
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Maybe I'm being cynical but is this whole thing a big contrived waste,
which retroactively hurt Defiance and Isolation's stories, am I alone in this feeling?
Im definitely not onboard this series. I do not think I'll be get Rescue and that is the first time I have ever ruled out an Aliens series.
I find it stale and eventless.
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Bellybursters was a little silly for me, too much of a reminder of Requiem and just like that film there is multiple bellybursters per host. Three in one guy and then the other two kill one of their own.
Yeah, not a fan of that. I don't need the reminders of Requiem. :-X
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a pretty big cliff-hanger. If you look behind them they deployed some sort of device. Maybe the same thing they crashed in? I mean we know Zula has to survive to be in Prototype.
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They went bellyburster in this? Shiet.. ???.
I don't really dislike what they've done so far, but it does not feel engaging or exciting, it just leaves me with a meh feeling. Discarding the obvious good entries like Dead Orbit, Defiance, I enjoyed and find more memorable both FaS and Dust to Dust as of now...
I agree, although F&S is memorable for all the wrong reasons, whereas although Dust To Dust isn't perfect, it does so much right. Pity it falls at the last hurdle, as Defiance does.
Dead Orbit's still top dog.
Got to interview Brian Wood about his Aliens work, and a little about the upcoming Rescue.
https://hnentertainment.co/exclusive-comic-book-writer-brian-wood-talks-to-us-about-aliens-defiance-aliens-resistance-and-aliens-rescue/
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Maybe I'm being cynical but is this whole thing a big contrived waste,
which retroactively hurt Defiance and Isolation's stories, am I alone in this feeling?
Agreed. However i'm not a big fan of Defiance too.
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Got to interview Brian Wood about his Aliens work, and a little about the upcoming Rescue.
https://hnentertainment.co/exclusive-comic-book-writer-brian-wood-talks-to-us-about-aliens-defiance-aliens-resistance-and-aliens-rescue/
Did we know about the Ripley thing before? I can't recall.
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Quote from: The Old One on Jun 02, 2019, 03:54:16 PM
Maybe I'm being cynical but is this whole thing a big contrived waste,
which retroactively hurt Defiance and Isolation's stories, am I alone in this feeling?
Agreed. However i'm not a big fan of Defiance too.
I came around a lot to Defiance in the end. It was a much better experience reading through in one or two sittings rather than a per issue thing.
QuoteDid we know about the Ripley thing before? I can't recall.
Not that I'm aware of. However the way Tristan tells it, there's a few other ideas they tried that didn't work out.
I'm sure Kradan's read the whole thing over at once at this juncture.
Interesting interview...
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I'm sure Kradan's read the whole thing over at once at this juncture.
Yeah, I've read Defiance through once and can't recall much from it. Let's see, there was female marine with spine issue. Likeable Working Joe-like android. Alien queen. Some pirates. Oh, and some xenos were drawn really cool. Apart from this nothing else unfortunately.
Maybe it'll all be more cohesive as one larger story, Defiance, Resistance, Rescue etcetera.
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I'm sure Kradan's read the whole thing over at once at this juncture.
Yeah, I've read Defiance through once and can't recall much from it. Let's see, there was female marine with spine issue. Likeable Working Joe-like android. Alien queen. Some pirates. Oh, and some xenos were drawn really cool. Apart from this nothing else unfortunately.
So you recall most of it then.
Oh boy the Pirates, missed opportunity for a really visually (and perhaps otherwise) creative new adversary.
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I'm sure Kradan's read the whole thing over at once at this juncture.
Yeah, I've read Defiance through once and can't recall much from it. Let's see, there was female marine with spine issue. Likeable Working Joe-like android. Alien queen. Some pirates. Oh, and some xenos were drawn really cool. Apart from this nothing else unfortunately.
So you recall most of it then.
Well, then it's what botheres me about the comic. I don't see anything truly special about it unfortunately.
Fair enough.
I got the trade paperback and I'm like 4/5 of the way through it; I'm trying really hard to enjoy it, but the pacing is just... so bad. Between this series, volume 2 of Defiance, and Terminator: Sector War (also written by Brian Wood, also pretty bad) I'm starting to think that Brian Wood doesn't understand pacing and isn't a particularly good writer.
The story goes at such a whirlwind's pace without taking any time to set up or explain anything, it feels like it's got this "just go with it" attitude where shit just happens and the reader is just supposed to accept it. Like, you can play that card once in a while, but Resistance does it constantly, one thing after another, and as a reader it feels like I'm getting dragged along for a roller coaster ride except there's no tension or stakes because shit just keeps flying past my face without time to process what's going on.
It's baffling because not only is shit happening at an insane pace, it breaks the cardinal rule of sequels by not working as a stand-alone story while simultaneously not clueing the reader in to where they can do some background reading to get caught up. Like, *I* understand who Amanda Ripley is, what she's been through, who Zula is, what she's been through, and how she met Amanda, but if some random reader picked this series up off the rack with no context then they'd not only have no idea what the f**k is going on, they wouldn't know where to turn to find out.
Maybe the last issue fixes this, but it suffers from the same problem that Defiance volume 2 did, and that's a distinct lack of Aliens. I'd almost be okay with it if the story showed down and took some time to breathe, maybe work on a little character interaction somewhere, but it's just so all over the place.
Maybe I just need to immediately re-read it after I finish it. Did Brian Wood also write Rescue? If so, please tell me it's more coherent than Resistance.
Rescue has only two issues so far and I'm on the fence about it as of now. I agree with everything you said, his stories are feeling kinda flat, with no impact even though on paper so much is happening. It just doesn't feel real, it might be the pacing. It feels all over the place.
Resistance is one of my favourite series in recent memory simply for the Amanda/ Zula dynamic. I love having them both in the same story.
The series has grown on me the more I read it but the pacing is definitely way too fast. I said on another thread that the first issue of a series should be a longer issue (similar to the Omega issues from F&S or L&D) to give the author more page space to set the story up. I like Brian Wood for the most part but I thought that Dark Horse should've gotten someone new to pen ACM: Rising Threat.
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Wasn't very impressed with this series. It felt like a rushed setup for another story. It skipped along so fast and it lacked tension and atmosphere. Pretty much lacked any of the good things about defiance. Hopefully the next series (rescue?) Improves on this.
According to tfaw rescue was delayed from 5/22 with no new release date.
Just finshed the TPB, thought the same. Way too bland and rushed. Would have made a great one shot comic..that's what it felt liked. Can DH hire a writer who's actually into the Alien universe? Wish Tristan Jones could write and draw one series on his own.
Liked the coloring in this one. Art was good on some objects. Best drawn and most realistic looking stars and star fields by the way. Great job there.
Ending was kind of mediocre lol, the rest was ok. DH can do much better than this...
Yeah, just let Tristan Jones do the comic he mentioned in the MUTHUR Podcast.
Didn't really enjoy this one. Flew past way too quickly to register and get into the characters.
Also felt that the Defiance and Resistance were lacking a villain.
Yeah, or a focal point at all.
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Didn't really enjoy this one. Flew past way too quickly to register and get into the characters.
Also felt that the Defiance and Resistance were lacking a villain.
What about "almighty W-Y" ?
Resistance had the androids.
Folks I've been away for a bit. Just wanted to get some clarity on this subject. Is my understanding correct that Aliens Resistance did not and will not have a volume 2 graphic novel?
Correct. Volume 2 is Rescue, so the "1" on the spine of Resistance looks stupid on the shelf.