I’m sure I wouldn’t be speaking out of turn if I said the future of Alien and Predator under Disney has been something of a concern for a lot of fans. And now Disney and Fox have confirmed that Alien remains a priority for the studio.
The Disney presentation is currently taking place at CinemaCon and according to attendees, not only was footage of Alien: Covenant during their sizzle reel, but it was also confirmed that Disney and Fox planned to continue working on the Alien series, as well as the Planet of the Apes, Kingsman, Avatar and Maze Runner series.
Disney/Fox confirm that the Alien series remains alive under the new ownership.
Footage from the Predator series was also included in the sizzle reel but nothing was mentioned about continuing the franchise. Thanks to HN Entertainment’s Nick for the heads-up.
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Now we can get Ridley's next prequel where David becomes the SJ
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*pees a little*
Just scrap Covenant (I like Covenant BTW, though know the animosity that some have towards it, would be better if was put aside), and do Prometheus 2/Paradise from Scott (though keep the continuity from the series a.k.a Engineers/space jokey's being the creators of the Alien) and start a new timeline after Alien 3 with new or seasoned directors to continue the franchise to please all the fans.
please do alien 5
This is excellent news. Covenant being featured in their sizzle reel is excellent news.
Confirm Ridley's third prequel now, dammit! :D
Predator Needs an animated series
I really want to see them wrap up the prequels. Theres so many different directions to take with David piloting the Covenant at this point. From there, work on something fresh.
Work on something fresh and take it one movie at a time. No more partial stories with major cliffhangers. My heart can't take it.
ALIEN Covenant follow up. Yes please!
-Windebieste.
NO! I will not eat the cat poop! >:(
Quote from: 0321recon on Apr 03, 2019, 11:43:31 PM
Just scrap Covenant (I like Covenant BTW, though know the animosity that some have towards it, would be better if was put aside), and do Prometheus 2/Paradise from Scott (though keep the continuity from the series a.k.a Engineers/space jokey's being the creators of the Alien) and start a new timeline after Alien 3 with new or seasoned directors to continue the franchise to please all the fans.
Why scrap it just because it doesn't please some people? A lot of people like it and like the direction the film was heading. The problem is not the film, but some of the writing is subpar, and that's what they need to fix for the future.
OH YEAH!
Good. Now they can either do one more movie with Ridley or scrap it and let the comics flesh out the Engineers.
Yah baby! Yah!
Can't wait to see Ridley's conclusion, and then Blomkamp's film.
Thank God.
#AlienMoviesMatter
That is really awesome news!
YES!!!
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 03, 2019, 11:58:05 PM
Confirm Ridley's third prequel now, dammit! :D
NO!!!Quote from: Mr.Skinsuit on Apr 04, 2019, 12:00:13 AM
Predator Needs an animated series
YES!!!Let's hope Predator still gets some love. A series perhaps on the Disney owned Hulu?
I will believe it when i see it, and i am not optimistic at all given their track record. But i do hope they end Ridley Scott trilogy.
I'm not surprised about the lack of Predator mention considering the reaction to The Predator and that it was only just last year. This year is pretty much the best time to get people hyped for Alien content so it naturally makes sense to push since Covenant is a few years behind us now and we're on 40.
I don't doubt the Disney era will produce a Predator film, it just makes sense it isn't a high priority right now. Makes sense its in the sizzle reel, make sense it's not a high priority.
Indeed. Promoting anything predator related at this point would be like a kid wanting to discuss a raise in their allowance 2 days after wrecking the family car.
Phew! Interesting that they showed footage of Covenant. :)
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 01:57:26 AM
Phew! Interesting that they showed footage of Covenant. :)
versus....?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 04, 2019, 02:01:32 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 01:57:26 AM
Phew! Interesting that they showed footage of Covenant. :)
versus....?
I don't know, Alien I guess. Just surprised me since Covenant is almost universally disliked. Probably doesn't mean anything though.
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 02:08:35 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 04, 2019, 02:01:32 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 01:57:26 AM
Phew! Interesting that they showed footage of Covenant. :)
versus....?
I don't know, Alien I guess. Just surprised me since Covenant is almost universally disliked. Probably doesn't mean anything though.
I wonder if they showed Ripley in Alien during that sizzle reel, people would theorize that Sigourney Weaver was coming back.
It's probably just because it's the latest film in the series.
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 02:08:35 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 04, 2019, 02:01:32 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 01:57:26 AM
Phew! Interesting that they showed footage of Covenant. :)
versus....?
I don't know, Alien I guess. Just surprised me since Covenant is almost universally disliked. Probably doesn't mean anything though.
"almost universally disliked"?
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 04, 2019, 01:53:14 AM
Indeed. Promoting anything predator related at this point would be like a kid wanting to discuss a raise in their allowance 2 days after wrecking the family car.
Nah, with a new theatrical movie maybe you're right. But it's nonsensical imo to completely toss Predator aside when it's still a viable franchise that has been poorly mishandled. Disney just paid a fortune for Fox. It's time to make all the franchises they possibly can a revenue earner. Looking forward to see what Disney does with it all, with whatever mediums they decide.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Apr 03, 2019, 11:34:35 PM
Now we can get Ridley's next prequel where David becomes the SJ
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 04, 2019, 12:33:24 AM
NO! I will not eat the cat poop! >:(
We can starve together. I ain't eating anything that comes out of Ridley.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 04, 2019, 01:12:03 AM
Let's hope Predator still gets some love. A series perhaps on the Disney owned Hulu?
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Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2019, 02:18:37 AM
It's probably just because it's the latest film in the series.
Probably, yeah.
Quote from: SM on Apr 04, 2019, 02:21:48 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 02:08:35 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 04, 2019, 02:01:32 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 01:57:26 AM
Phew! Interesting that they showed footage of Covenant. :)
versus....?
I don't know, Alien I guess. Just surprised me since Covenant is almost universally disliked. Probably doesn't mean anything though.
"almost universally disliked"?
Well, you know what I mean.. :laugh: I know it's not ''almost universally disliked'' but it did get lukewarm reviews and lots of people didn't like it.
Anyway, good to know Alien is still alive for now. I wonder if this means the rumored TV shows could still happen.
Wouldn't be surprised if the Tongal shorts are just them testing the water for shows.
Lower budgets, smaller sets, cheaper actors. If the shorts are a success, why not go for it?
@Samhain. :laugh:
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 02:28:16 AM
Well, you know what I mean.. :laugh: I know it's not ''almost universally disliked'' but it did get lukewarm reviews and lots of people didn't like it.
Anyway, good to know Alien is still alive for now. I wonder if this means the rumored TV shows could still happen.
I personally got what you meant. :)
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 04, 2019, 02:36:58 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if the Tongal shorts are just them testing the water for shows.
Lower budgets, smaller sets, cheaper actors. If the shorts are a success, why not go for it?
Agreed!
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 04, 2019, 02:36:58 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if the Tongal shorts are just them testing the water for shows.
Lower budgets, smaller sets, cheaper actors. If the shorts are a success, why not go for it?
I agree. Could be them seeing what the people gravitates towards.
They can finish Ridleys prequel films and get A5 back on track.
As much as things in AC didnt sit right with me its a big enough universe for many different stories.
Been a fan since 79'...so i am no going anywhere ;)
Excellent.
Excellent ;D
If they are testing the waters, I think I'd prefer one narrative per season, like AHS. Not something spread out like Breaking Bad or SOA. Keeping the story length limited forces them to avoid filler and resolve things in a more timely manner. Every season is a complete and self contained experience. In the event it gets cancelled, this aspect really come in handy.
Name each season after the outbreak location.
Alien: Gateway
Never in doubt.
The only surprise for me was POTA. A pleasant one though as the recent trilogy was sweet.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 04, 2019, 06:29:48 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Fox's Emma Watts is up, and reveals intentions to make more ALIEN films, more PLANET OF THE APES films, more KINGSMAN films. A brave new era! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CinemaCon?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CinemaCon</a></p>— Barry Hertz (@HertzBarry) <a href="https://twitter.com/HertzBarry/status/1113576045179887616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">3 April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Emma Watts says it's "no secret Disney has the biggest franchises in the business" but points to Kingsman, Alien, Planet of the Apes and Avatar as properties its bringing to the table. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CinemaCon?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CinemaCon</a></p>— Amy Kaufman (@AmyKinLA) <a href="https://twitter.com/AmyKinLA/status/1113576254693732352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">3 April 2019</a></blockquote>
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"...reveals intentions to make more ALIEN films..."
Alien film(s). Not film, but films.
Plural.
As in, "more than one".
Praise Jesus, have I lived to see the day?
2019 is the year of Devil /V\ ay Cry's return to form, Resident Evil's return to form and Outer Worlds already.
Perhaps for it's 40th Anniversary Alien finally experiences the correct revitalisation it deserves.
It is all good and well but nothing great will come out of it if Ridley stays at the helm of new movies. Just my opinion (I really hate Covenant and Prometheus).
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 04, 2019, 02:36:58 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if the Tongal shorts are just them testing the water for shows.
Lower budgets, smaller sets, cheaper actors. If the shorts are a success, why not go for it?
Depends how everyone reacts to the shorts I guess. I think it would be a great idea to look at them for series!
I liked Prometheus and Covenant, but next film should be Alien 5/Aliens 2 from Blomkamp.
If it helps the franchise to become popular again - it should be filmed. :)
Quality > Popularity.
Neill Blomkamp's retcon is the incorrect choice.
Great news! I was pretty much certain that Fox/Disney would not abandon Alien, since it's a constant source of income for the studio: The original movie has been a top title in rentals for 40 years and licensing is going strong.
I really do hope we get a conclusion to the prequel series.
Good to get official word on this, but I never assumed it was dead.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 04, 2019, 09:10:25 AM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Apr 04, 2019, 09:02:39 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 04, 2019, 08:59:56 AM
Quality > Popularity.
Disney.
Unpredictability.
For sure, i was more pointing out how ridiculous your post was in a business based on ticket and merch sales. I expect we'll see both absolute gems and total disasters under Disney. New boss, same as the old boss.
Yeah, I know.
The my optimism antonym is... unpleasant though.
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I think that's it? I got it from https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/fox-broadcasting-lays-out-programming-slate-in-post-disney-merger-sizzle-reel-watch-1203168804/
Alright then, Through the Disney Fox deal the franchises will continue. We may be getting Prometheus 3/Alien Covenant 2 ? The final Alien Prequel. Alien 5 continuing from Alien Resurrection "But considering its reputation it's unlikely". Alien 3½ by Neill Blomkamp, fans will either embrace it or reject it. Another Alien movie with a new storyline a new characters. Or another attempt at Alien vs Predator. Fans will support what they want and ignore what they don't want
Hell yeah! Wasn't expecting to hear anything so soon. Great news. Of course, that doesn't in anyway mean the next movie will be good at all...
I'm all for finishing David's trilogy. If nothing else, because we've gotten this far already. Just finish it off. No more cliffhangers. Get a great writer and someone who'll keep Ridley's wild ideas in check. Somebody who can tell him no. And you have the chance to finish off David in a satisfying way. Just please, a good writer, please... A lower budget might force Scott to shoot things more creatively because I doubt he can pull of a War of the Worlds scenario well enough. Keep it creepy, dark, intimate and compelling.
A movie unrelated to the prequels would be awesome as well. Though honestly I mostly want a new TV series. That would be gold. A chance at that might be what's needed for the franchise. But I won't object to a new movie if it's done well.
And yeah, predator might have to take it slow for a bit. Too bad, I don't think new movies, especially the other media should be affected because of a bad movie, but it will bounce back. There's so much potential within predator lore.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Apr 04, 2019, 10:49:14 AM
But I won't object to a new movie if it's done well.
Yep, this is a main thing. So, I want to see Blomkamp's Alien. This film can restore Alien Universe.
Sorry but Blomkamp can't tell a coherent story if his life depended on it. Since Chappie he directed half a dozen short films and the only one which was not a story-free trailer was the one with the body parts monster -which was cool but featured a cliche narrative.
^ Correct.
Quote from: Kane's other son on Apr 04, 2019, 12:11:07 PM
Sorry but Blomkamp can't tell a coherent story if his life depended on it. Since Chappie he directed half a dozen short films and the only one which was not a story-free trailer was the one with the body parts monster -which was cool but featured a cliche narrative.
I agree. District 9 was his only film that had a tight narrative. Elysium and Chappie suffered from horrible story choices and questionable editing that in my point derailed both films since the concepts were great, though execution was subpar.
This is good news indeed. For me, they can take whatever decision (Alien 5, Covenant 2, something different) but please- can we get good execution?! I dream of another entry into the franchise on par with Alien and Aliens.
I think if the new Terminator is a success, Disnox will listen to James Cameron in regards to an Alien 3 retcon. And even if it's not a success they still might. He is currently on their payroll and Jim will be Avataring it up with them for a long time.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 04, 2019, 01:06:20 PM
Disnox
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???
Yup!
DISNOX!!!
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It would be great if they make two more sequels to Alien Covenant. They should invest in the prequel series because it is and will become over time more essential. It is very similar to what Lucas did with Star Wars. Ridley Scott has to finish what he has started. After that there can be spin-offs, and maybe a sequel series. But the groundwork is necessary.
I'd rather see them start fresh and just base what ever they do on what worked in the first two movies.
AMAZING NEWS!!! I would love for them to finish the prequel series off and then let's explore other directions, they're is so much source material out there it could potentially go anywhere 😀
I dont like the idea of retconning alien 3, it makes sense in the Terminator since it deals with time travel and already has multiple timelines. I think they should start doing separate stand alone Alien movies after they finish the David story.
Quote from: bobcunk on Apr 04, 2019, 04:16:05 PM
I dont like the idea of retconning alien 3
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 04, 2019, 06:29:48 AM
QuoteEmma Watts says it's "no secret Disney has the biggest franchises in the business" but points to Kingsman, Alien, Planet of the Apes and Avatar as properties its bringing to the table. #CinemaCon
I suspect Watts had a reasonably significant amount of input on Alien: Covenant for good or for ill, rather like Tom Rothman and Prometheus. That's probably why they screened a clip of Covenant at Cinema Con. She also has close ties with Ridley Scott so I guess she'll be keen to continue that story-line then.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 04, 2019, 04:59:42 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 04, 2019, 06:29:48 AM
QuoteEmma Watts says it's "no secret Disney has the biggest franchises in the business" but points to Kingsman, Alien, Planet of the Apes and Avatar as properties its bringing to the table. #CinemaCon
I suspect Watts had a reasonably significant amount of input on Alien: Covenant for good or for ill, rather like Tom Rothman and Prometheus. That's probably why they screened a clip of Covenant at Cinema Con. She also has close ties with Ridley Scott so I guess she'll be keen to continue that story-line then.
You're right about that. If they were going to side step the prequels, they would had shown clips from the original trilogy to give the hints on what direction they might be taking the franchise. :Let's see what happens from here on since Horn will also have a say on this.
I say just knock the Covenant sequel out, tie up the series and start afresh from there.
Yay!!
Just need the sequel of Covenant!!
Gimme dat Prequel series finale and David's fall.
Then a post-AR soft-reboot.
I hope Ridley Scott directs ALIEN COVENANT II
David's fall ?
Never, a God never falls! He's just looking for his kingdom and a queen.
But yes after that, you can do what you want from the franchise ;D
A L I E N: CARPATHIA (The Carpathian mountains, Dracula's residence aka David,
and the film's vessel title- paralleling the "Titanic's saviour.")
Spoiler
A Danny Boyle/Alex Garland/Ari Aster/ Robert Eggers created, (Ridley Scott produced) 2-hour-epic final prequel revealing David's incorrect- the Alien's a Lovecraftian creation of the Space Jockey (The Engineers inherited SJ tech) and it leads to David's downfall.
On one hand I like the Alien being created by the Space Jockey instead of David, on the other hand it kinda goes against what Covenant tried to establish. But then again it could be a really interesting development for David's character, which I like.. It all depends on how it's handled.
I remember Ridley implying the Alien would sort of evolve on its own without David, so maybe they'll just stick to that.
I've definitely warmed up to the Deacon so even if the Alien is a creation by David, there is still a lot worth exploring of the early variation of the Deacon. We can get a lot out of that especially seeing as Prometheus already established a precedent for them having accidents which releases the goo. That even lends itself to fascinating stories among the Engineers own people with them accidentally consuming the substance and potentially resulting in more Deacons. We know the goo is meant for war and so what that means to a race who seems more artistically inclined is interesting storytelling avenues.
The Alien life-cycle the more I think about it is just unwieldy Post-Alien 3 so I'd be all for starting largely fresh with the Engineers trying to wrangle their own creations and the lore that develops around that than watch more people run from a drone.
No... The Deacon design's awful- a Neomorph variant aberration, and the Engineers?
Depthless space human ancestors, Last and First Men shit space opera.
The Alien lifecycle's perfect as is.
And horrific as ever, as Isolation, The Cold Forge and the Tongal Films prove.
Neomorphs are the imperfect version of the Alien, the Alien is the perfect version.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 04, 2019, 08:47:35 PM
No... The Deacon design's awful- a Neomorph variant aberration, and the Engineers?
Depthless space human ancestors, Last and First Men shit space opera.
The Alien lifecycle's perfect as is.
And horrific as ever, as Isolation, The Cold Forge and the Tongal Films prove.
Neomorphs are the imperfect version of the Alien, the Alien is the perfect version.
I'd go for neomorphs in deacon metallic blue colours tbh
Translucent pigmentless version's the best. No I love the Neomorph as is, No alteration.
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Elicitation of H.R Giger's art, but biomechanics absent.
Endless variation for me. They're not finished yet, there'll be ones with errors or recessive stuff which is fine.
I just want to see a film with xeno's, colonial marines, pulse rifles, smartguns, flamethrowers, sulaco shape ships, dropships, apcs and I would like to see it soon!!
Nostalgia festival? Beyond my comprehension tbh.
The first four things, Alien, Military, Pulse Rifle, Smart-Gun, I understand.
A Conestoga vessel(s)? No original design(s)? C'mon.
New military hardware and old military hardware please.
Quote from: bobcunk on Apr 04, 2019, 04:16:05 PM
I dont like the idea of retconning alien 3, it makes sense in the Terminator since it deals with time travel and already has multiple timelines. I think they should start doing separate stand alone Alien movies after they finish the David story.
The Aliens universe already has multiple timelines. Ever see those AVP films?
Retcon it.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 04, 2019, 10:22:00 PM
Nostalgia festival? Beyond my comprehension tbh.
The first four things, Alien, Military, Pulse Rifle, Smart-Gun, I understand.
A Conestoga vessel(s)? No original design(s)? C'mon.
New military hardware and old military hardware please.
ALL OF THIS is an exercise in nostalgia. If it wasn't for our collectively preconceived notions about the Aliens series we wouldn't be here. You cannot escape nostalgia when you're playing in the sandbox that someone already established. If you want originality, create completely new sci-fi that does not lean on an existing series. Otherwise, come to grips with the fact that you're engaging in a nostalgia exercise and stop deluding yourself otherwise.
Starting "fresh" with Terminator and killing everything post-T2 Halloween-style makes sense. Everything after that second film, at least in my opinion, has been dire and utterly forgettable, with nothing of note to them to make me want to revisit them, or even remember that they exist. And for those out there that do care about them about about the continuity post-T2, it is a franchise that involves time travel so if you really wanted to you could chalk it up to being an alternate timeline.
With Alien... even the weaker films are at least conceptually interesting and are executed in such a way that they feel as though they actually have merit for existing, that they have something to say and contribute to the universe and, even more importantly, as films in their own right.
Nothing against Blomkamp, I do enjoy the guy's stuff for what it is, but his take on Alien is, at least in my humble opinion, not at all what the franchise needs. Let him do Robocop, which is much more in line with his grounded, hyperrealistic sci-fi visuals and tongue-in-cheek satire. And let Alien wrap up the story that it is currently telling, and then move forward into some new uncharted territory.
please let Ridley Scott finish his prequel trilogy. That's all I ask
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Quote from: The Old One on Apr 04, 2019, 10:22:00 PM
Nostalgia festival? Beyond my comprehension tbh.
The first four things, Alien, Military, Pulse Rifle, Smart-Gun, I understand.
A Conestoga vessel(s)? No original design(s)? C'mon.
New military hardware and old military hardware please.
ALL OF THIS is an exercise in nostalgia. If it wasn't for our collectively preconceived notions about the Alien series we wouldn't be here. You cannot escape nostalgia when you're playing in the sandbox that someone already established. If you want originality, create completely new sci-fi that does not lean on an existing series. Otherwise, come to grips with the fact that you're engaging in a nostalgia exercise and stop deluding yourself otherwise.
Neither James Cameron or David Fincher just regurgitated what Ridley Scott did.
"Stop deluding yourself." Mature and revealing.
If nostalgia is all you want, go rewatch the old films.
I'd much rather new content creators expand the sandbox by playing with the basic concept,
the Alien itself is the only element that need not be f**ked with, just like Mad Max in Mad Max, everything else is up for change.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 05, 2019, 12:28:08 AM
Starting "fresh" with Terminator and killing everything post-T2 Halloween-style makes sense. Everything after that second film, at least in my opinion, has been dire and utterly forgettable, with nothing of note to them to make me want to revisit them, or even remember that they exist. And for those out there that do care about them about about the continuity post-T2, it is a franchise that involves time travel so if you really wanted to you could chalk it up to being an alternate timeline.
With Alien... even the weaker films are at least conceptually interesting and are executed in such a way that they feel as though they actually have merit for existing, that they have something to say and contribute to the universe and, even more importantly, as films in their own right.
Nothing against Neill Blomkamp, I do enjoy the guy's stuff for what it is, but his take on Alien is, at least in my humble opinion, not at all what the franchise needs. Let him do Robocop, which is much more in line with his grounded, hyperrealistic sci-fi visuals and tongue-in-cheek satire. And let Alien wrap up the story that it is currently telling, and then move forward into some new uncharted territory.
^
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."
It's not an insult to suggest that anyone who wants another film in the Aliens series is delusional in thinking that they're not engaging in nostalgia. It's not intended that way, and it's not entirely aimed at you. I am just calling it what it is. All of us want an Aliens film in one form or another, and that arises from our past experiences. Even if you make the most innovative Aliens film you can think of, it is still not an exercise in pure originality. It is nostalgia. I'm just honest about it.
Perfect-organism, I agree. Consciously or not, any entry in the franchise is compared to the gold standard of Alien (and possibly Aliens) because they were fenomenal AND we grew up with them.
The condescension of Perfect-Organism is palpable.
The only reason I want a portion of the concepts we've seen before to return is for verisimilitude.
The rest? Again, it has nothing to do with nostalgia when I'm adamant I want new things,
set in the universe I enjoy.
A comparison of quality is a different subject.
If fans back in the early 80s demanded that a sequel to Alien was faithful to the look and atmosphere of the original, we would have never gotten Aliens. Let future creators surprise us.
^
The Star Wars fiasco might actually have been a blessing in disguise. It might have shocked and scared Disney enough for them to actually sit back, think for a minute and then pay attention to what they are doing. It taught them not to rely on brand recognition as being the sole reason that draw people to a franchise. Films in a franchise, surprisingly, actually have to be good to keep people interested in that franchise. So hopefully they will get true talent that know what they are doing involved in the future of Alien and not make creative decisions based off of marketing research graphs and focus groups.
It would be awesome if they did a sequel to Alien Covenant that put that particular story arc on a track (as it wasn't even on one to begin with), and followed Alien 3 with a sequel (that does not involve Ripley or Hicks or Newt!) that takes it in a new and interesting direction.
Quote from: irn on Apr 05, 2019, 03:39:40 PM
The Star Wars fiasco might actually have been a blessing in disguise. It might have shocked and scared Disney enough for them to actually sit back, think for a minute and then pay attention to what they are doing. It taught them not to rely on brand recognition as being the sole reason that draw people to a franchise. Films in a franchise, surprisingly, actually have to be good to keep people interested in that franchise. So hopefully they will get true talent that know what they are doing involved in the future of Alien and not make creative decisions based off of marketing research graphs and focus groups.
It would be awesome if they did a sequel to Alien Covenant that put that particular story arc on a track (as it wasn't even on one to begin with), and followed Alien 3 with a sequel (that does not involve Ripley or Hicks or Newt!) that takes it in a new and interesting direction.
Disney's issue with Star Wars was that they had left the directors to largely do as they pleased within the confines of what Disney had set up. Disney gave them a lot of wiggle room and had been more hands off than anything because they trust the talent they hire. That's Disney's whole model, you find the talent and you let them do their thing, you edit later. What happened with Solo is that it went off the reservation and stopped using things in Disney's script and started doing its own thing. The things Disney didn't hire the talent to do. Thus they had to get a new director and fix the movie before release and it was ultimately going up against a pretty packed Summer line-up as is. Their resolve to be more watchful isn't totally because of trends, it was largely because the talent they hired went off and did a movie they weren't hired to make.
Quote from: irn on Apr 05, 2019, 03:39:40 PM
The Star Wars fiasco might actually have been a blessing in disguise. It might have shocked and scared Disney enough for them to actually sit back, think for a minute and then pay attention to what they are doing. It taught them not to rely on brand recognition as being the sole reason that draw people to a franchise. Films in a franchise, surprisingly, actually have to be good to keep people interested in that franchise. So hopefully they will get true talent that know what they are doing involved in the future of Alien and not make creative decisions based off of marketing research graphs and focus groups.
It would be awesome if they did a sequel to Alien Covenant that put that particular story arc on a track (as it wasn't even on one to begin with), and followed Alien 3 with a sequel (that does not involve Ripley or Hicks or Newt!) that takes it in a new and interesting direction.
U N F Yes.
Quote from: Kane's other son on Apr 05, 2019, 01:26:26 PM
If fans back in the early 80s demanded that a sequel to Alien was faithful to the look and atmosphere of the original, we would have never gotten Aliens. Let future creators surprise us.
Surprises get you The Predator.
The golden age for making alien and predator movies of quality likely died with the last millennium. I especially do not see Cameron being as ballsy as he was in 86 or with T1 ever again. He's out to make money and win awards. Sexually charged body horror with ultra violence is not going to get him that avatar/titanic recognition.
The only chance for a true return to form would be if Villeneuve gets involved in a non Ripley, horror centered alien story that embraces the dark and gothic nature of the originals, particularly 1&3.
Until I see something definite in the making, I'm still very skeptical that this merger will produce anything good. The best hope TCF/Disney has is adapting Alien and Predator novels.
Surprises also get you, Under The Skin, Fury Road and Logan.
Denis Villeneuve isn't a requirement but a talented filmmaker is,
Danny Boyle/Alex Garland/Ari Aster/ Robert Eggers etcetera.
Agreed regarding the rest.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 05, 2019, 12:28:08 AMStarting "fresh" with Terminator and killing everything post-T2 Halloween-style makes sense. Everything after that second film, at least in my opinion, has been dire and utterly forgettable,
Woah stop making personal opinions "statement of facts".
I will boycott the forthcoming TERMINATOR "Dark Fate" ::) after James Cameron tricked me into thinking "Genisys" (T5) was "the real sequel to TERMINATOR 2". Yes James Cameron actually said that. Now he's saying T6 is the real sequel............yeah heard it all before.
TERMINATOR 3- Rise of the Machines, in my opinion, is a fun, workable sequel with one of the best truck chase scenes up there with TERMINATOR 2. Yes its campy in a Playboy/Maxim magazine kind of way but that's what made it fun. Kristanna Loken's leather clad Terminatrix was great but I don't get why her endoskeleton looked like a terminator version of the classic UFO alien "little green men" meme.
Also "that ending". Good film.
TERMINATOR 4 (SALVATION) was a formulaic film that tried to Christopher Nolan the TERMINATOR films but at least the production values were good.
TERMINATOR 5 (Gensys) was just trash and made ROBOCOP 3 (1993) look like Blade Runner by comparison.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 03, 2019, 11:27:02 PMWhile a decision was made to apparently not renew any Alien vs. Predator licences.
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Uh. NA's right though.
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Apr 06, 2019, 02:56:59 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 05, 2019, 12:28:08 AMStarting "fresh" with Terminator and killing everything post-T2 Halloween-style makes sense. Everything after that second film, at least in my opinion, has been dire and utterly forgettable,
Woah stop making personal opinions "statement of facts".
My personal opinion was never meant to represent anybody's thoughts but my own.
Exciting news. Please, Disney, make the right move away from the Ridley prequels and bring us a story connected to the characters and storyline we loved about the originals. Blomkamp's vision sounds both nostalgic and evolutionary. That's the right mix. We've already squeezed all the juice out of the David/religious philosophical introgue in Ridleys two new chapters. Somewhere new, with a nod to the old, please
Just throwing my lot in with the 'Let Ridley Finish' crowd in case Disney reps are reading.
After that, y'all do whatever you gonna do.
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Apr 06, 2019, 02:56:59 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 05, 2019, 12:28:08 AMStarting "fresh" with Terminator and killing everything post-T2 Halloween-style makes sense. Everything after that second film, at least in my opinion, has been dire and utterly forgettable,
Woah stop making personal opinions "statement of facts".
I will boycott the forthcoming TERMINATOR "Dark Fate" ::) after James Cameron tricked me into thinking "Genisys" (T5) was "the real sequel to TERMINATOR 2". Yes James Cameron actually said that. Now he's saying T6 is the real sequel............yeah heard it all before.
TERMINATOR 3- Rise of the Machines, in my opinion, is a fun, workable sequel with one of the best truck chase scenes up there with TERMINATOR 2. Yes its campy in a Playboy/Maxim magazine kind of way but that's what made it fun. Kristanna Loken's leather clad Terminatrix was great but I don't get why her endoskeleton looked like a terminator version of the classic UFO alien "little green men" meme.
Also "that ending". Good film.
TERMINATOR 4 (SALVATION) was a formulaic film that tried to Christopher Nolan the TERMINATOR films but at least the production values were good.
TERMINATOR 5 (Gensys) was just trash and made ROBOCOP 3 (1993) look like Blade Runner by comparison.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 03, 2019, 11:27:02 PMWhile a decision was made to apparently not renew any Alien vs. Predator licences.
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At least salvation had Bale and genisys had Jason and Emilia.
All T6 is, is Skynet vs the Avon industry.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 05, 2019, 01:20:10 PM
The condescension of Perfect-Organism is palpable.
The only reason I want a portion of the concepts we've seen before to return is for verisimilitude.
The rest? Again, it has nothing to do with nostalgia when I'm adamant I want new things,
set in the universe I enjoy.
A comparison of quality is a different subject.
That's not a fair assessment. You want things to be like Alien and you call that verisimilitude, and if others want things to be reminiscent of Aliens, you call that nostalgia. It's the same thing. I'm not being condescsrnding, I'm pointing out the double standard. I've lost track of the number of posts where you went off on somebody for having an opinion that's different than yours, calling it garbage or rubbish. I don't get riled up enough to go that route. As far as I'm concerned, I am just having conversations with fellow fans about the films I like. I prefer to say that I'm not a proponent of someone's idea or direction rather than calling it garbage, but I definitely don't get condescending.
Alien and Alien 3 or the dark nihilistic films that are finally similar, whereas Aliens is the shining optimistic film which most fans (casual or hardcore) see as the high point of the series. Which approach is better? I think it's clear, but there is enough wiggle room for both. We have now had 8 Aliens films and only one was a film with optimism about humanity, which had heart. It is time to do another one like that. It's ok for live, kindness, and humanity to overcome sometimes, and to come out on top.
Yes, but that love, kindness, and humanity was put through hell first.
I don't think the studio, Cameron, or anybody they'd get to direct an aliens style film has the guts nowadays to take the audience through that kind of horror before we hit the happy feelings. I think if the franchise deviates from Ridley and Fincher's dark capabilities and style, that it will be castrated in both tone and ferocity. It will be more like halo than alien, and I believe that absolutely.
The problem is that it would likely be successful and spell the end of any future attempts at a serious and terrifying alien film. The xenomorph would be demoted to the ranks of videogame bad guy. Like the locusts or the covenant. And the franchise would never get its teeth back. It would become something tame enough to be featured in star wars.
Cameron knew that and could go dark back in the day, but I believe those days are gone. This is the age of excessive shout outs, unwarranted comedy and spectacle, and restrained and largely bloodless violence. It's the tween age. I don't want to see the beast subjected to circus work. I'd rather it was put out of its misery.
Shining optimism has no place in the alien universe, in my opinion. It has made its bones being the aggressive and unforgiving child of human hubris. A shining example of the nihilistic reality of space, and in many ways, certain facets of our own existence. Let every other space movie (besides "life") have the wins, and love and happy endings. We need one outcast to keep things grounded.
The dark deserves its share of fear and death. And nobody does fear and death like Alien.
I think Aliens managed the balance very well. It was dark. It was scary, but it finished on a positive note. It was funny as hell too in spots, but in a dry, realistic way. Remember, Aliens is the king of quotable one-liners. Have you ever been mistaken for a man? No have you? etc.
There's your blueprint. That's how its done. Follow it. The other thing has been done ad nauseam.
It's not the same thing, I never said I wanted things to be like Alien- I want them to be consistent with the world of the first three whilist doing their own thing, that is verisimilitude. By comparison wanting concepts back exactly as they were, whatever it is. Is Nostalgia.
Huggs is correct.
Let's disagree to agree. ;) I think the connection (whether emotional or perceptual) to the work that has gone before, and the desire for more is nostalgia. I just don't think there is anything wrong with it.
I like all my fun stuff that has gone before. It is a part of me. Sometimes in life, you come across things that just resonate with you - your own personal classics, if you will. I like to relive them, as much as, and as often as, I like new things and experiences.
Yes it's pure Nostalgia and nothing more. Right.
Not for me, the world building and storytelling
(powerful thematics) and additional aspects engross.
TCF I enjoyed because it's brilliant, and it maintained the world's consistency
and the thematic consistency of the Alien representing the apathy of the universe
and Dorian Sulder the apathetic Company. Apathy presenting viciously.
But it only utilised it as building blocks for the new story.
No nostalgic video or sound effects to the paper.
It could be more. But it's nostalgia too.
I don't get why people are so anti-nostalgia. Anti-sentimentality.
I'm not anti-nostalgia.
I'm anti-nostalgia for nostalgia's sake, because I've experienced it and it's totally hollow.
The short film Specimen for instance, consistent but creative and nearly totally new.
It's fresh. And partly new. Partly nostalgia. Partly incrementally original. It's totally fine, and very well done. I thoroughly enjoyed this one. I'm not dealing in absolutes here.
Reminds me of one of the last Dark Horse books where they were in a garden facility and there were Aliens. Anyone remember what that was? Original Sin?
Original Sin. The official unofficial Resurrection sequel. It's Aight.
Ya, had a hard time getting into that one, but then it picked up tempo and was indeed aight.
O.S. definitely benefited from its setting and momentum. It's one of the few, if not the only one of the novels that I could've legitimately seen being made as a film after resurrection. It's not my cup of tea, but it was faithful to the direction of the film it was following.
I wish they'd adapt some of these into graphic novels.
If we ever get audible dramas of earth hive, nightmare asylum, female war, and the alien 3 alternates, I could die happy.
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 07, 2019, 04:25:39 AM
If we ever get audible dramas of earth hive, nightmare asylum, female war, and the alien 3 alternates, I could die happy.
I'd love audible dramas of some of the older stuff, but I get the feeling they're only making 'canon' entries now, so we're probably SOL.
The alien theory YouTube does some pretty good readings of the earth wars comic series if you're after an audio fix and he's does seem me nice work with reshowing the visuals.
Quote from: Wlvscrclwlvs on Apr 07, 2019, 09:21:06 AM
The alien theory YouTube does some pretty good readings of the earth wars comic series if you're after an audio fix and he's does seem me nice work with reshowing the visuals.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61495.msg2353808#msg2353808
AT's exposure is unavoidable.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 07, 2019, 11:03:27 AM
Quote from: Wlvscrclwlvs on Apr 07, 2019, 09:21:06 AM
The alien theory YouTube does some pretty good readings of the earth wars comic series if you're after an audio fix and he's does seem me nice work with reshowing the visuals.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61495.msg2353808#msg2353808
Ahh, I hadn't seen that thread thanks for pointing me to it.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 07, 2019, 04:19:26 AM
I wish they'd adapt some of these into graphic novels.
Gimme animated adaptations of some of the comics instead,
Dead Orbit, Dust To Dust, Labyrinth, Salvation, Sacrifice, Survival and Alchemy.
Alien TV series or new film instalments?
Both. :D
Still deciding whether or not this is a blessing or a curse.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 08, 2019, 08:18:16 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 07, 2019, 04:19:26 AM
I wish they'd adapt some of these into graphic novels.
Gimme animated adaptations of some of the comics instead,
Dead Orbit, Dust To Dust, Labyrinth, Salvation, Sacrifice, Survival and Alchemy.
Labyrinth, Tribes, Labyrinth, Stronghold, Labyrinth, Advent/Terminus, and Labyrinth would be good candidates, too.
Labyrinth with changes?
Labyrinth's "present-day" story has always struck me as really lacking.
Yeah, as heroes go, Crespi is a bit thick and Church still ultimately ends up being the mad scientist stereotype. Plunket's art and the flashback elevate it.
Should be called The Tragedy of Anthony Crespi.
Do you hate Crespi as much as Church does?
Funny. I think church sort of resembles an aged David.
Wouldn't that be a story? :laugh:
I still think an interesting direction to take would be for David to combine his protomorph with himself somehow. If he could figure out how to implant his consciousness into a living being, implant himself with a queen, then he'd live forever as every xenomorph that spawns. That's why David being the space jockey in the original Alien is still probably one of the more intriguing theories right now imo.
Please Jesus Christ and God. No.
Finish the prequel Trilogy, David's fall.
Misattributed creation.
Lord Byron creating the Ozymandias poem.
David Weyland creating the Alien.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 22, 2019, 11:15:06 PM
Please Jesus Christ and God. No.
Indeed. Although xenos don't live forever. So he'd have to become some biomechanical hive mentality. That's way too crazy for me. That David was every xeno.
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 04, 2019, 02:08:35 AM
I don't know, Alien I guess. Just surprised me since Covenant is almost universally disliked. Probably doesn't mean anything though.
Is it?
Quote from: Sagit on Apr 04, 2019, 07:27:08 AM
It is all good and well but nothing great will come out of it if Ridley stays at the helm of new movies. Just my opinion (I really hate Covenant and Prometheus).
It's only Ridley that is the draw for. me.
It is wherever I look, LV-426 Reddit for instance or anywhere social.
Look harder.
You serious? I've looked plenty. The majority of people vocal about a subject is usually negative, yes,
but concerning Prometheus & Co. nearly every discussion regarding the prequel series has had a larger ratio of people saying it's a failure.
No agenda either, I appreciate a great deal concerning "Covenant" particularly,
often I believe overlooked by the general public and fanbase/fandom.
Apologies then, I read your posts as monotone.
Better than no tone I suppose...
Indeed.
The negative are always more vocal. The polling always comes out more evenly split.
Quote from: The Old One on May 08, 2019, 10:50:24 PM
It is wherever I look, LV-426 Reddit for instance or anywhere social.
bruh what'd you expect?
Nothing.
Quote from: The Old One on May 09, 2019, 12:04:35 AM
Apologies then, I read your posts as monotone.
I know, right?
Conveying levity in written form can be tricky I guess!
Quote from: The Old One on May 08, 2019, 11:48:55 PM
You serious? I've looked plenty. The majority of people vocal about a subject is usually negative, yes,
but concerning Prometheus & Co. nearly every discussion regarding the prequel series has had a larger ratio of people saying it's a failure.
I can attest to this myself.
It's not easy being a fan of Prometheus! :)
I imagine so.
It certainly is! :P Reddit especially is pretty vocal about it, yeah.
I just really need that third prequel.. after that I welcome anything. Well, mostly anything. Mostly.
Six more prequels
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 12, 2019, 03:53:28 AM
Six more prequels
So my grandchildren will be able to see it connect to the first film?
Lmao, sure!
Quote from: Huggs on May 12, 2019, 04:01:31 AM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 12, 2019, 03:53:28 AM
Six more prequels
So my grandchildren will be able to see it connect to the first film?
Spoiler - The last prequel still doesn't feature the LV-426 derelict
Prometheus was great. Grand in its successes and shortcomings. Love it.
Yes, I want to see the conclusion of the prequels as well. After Covenant, it is for me more about closure than about being excited to be honest.
I still think the ideas of Prometheus were pretty interesting, and I would hope future prequels if they happen go back to that instead of the Xeno.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 14, 2019, 02:42:21 AM
I still think the ideas of Prometheus were pretty interesting, and I would hope future prequels if they happen go back to that instead of the Xeno.
I appreciate what Prometheus attempted -- tryin' to spin the fabric of a larger universe at play instead of focusing solely on one creature. It's just unfortunate that said creature is the core of this world to a lot of people.
Quote from: Monster Man on May 15, 2019, 01:03:54 AM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 14, 2019, 02:42:21 AM
I still think the ideas of Prometheus were pretty interesting, and I would hope future prequels if they happen go back to that instead of the Xeno.
I appreciate what Prometheus attempted -- tryin' to spin the fabric of a larger universe at play instead of focusing solely on one creature. It's just unfortunate that said creature is the core of this world to a lot of people.
Well, it is called Alien afterall.
The problem so far has been inferior writing.
Yep.
Quote from: Monster Man on May 15, 2019, 01:03:54 AMI appreciate what Prometheus attempted -- tryin' to spin the fabric of a larger universe at play instead of focusing solely on one creature. It's just unfortunate that said creature is the core of this world to a lot of people.
Is the lack of a legit Alien really all that high on the list of complaints about that movie though?
Mostly people seem to hate it because it was dumb, not because the Alien didn't show up.
^ This, this, this, forever this.
Probably a bit of both, as usual.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 15, 2019, 06:35:38 PM
Is the lack of a legit Alien really all that high on the list of complaints about that movie though?
According to Riddles, yes indeed! :laugh:
Quote from: Ridley Scott"It went straight up there, and we discovered from it that [the fans] were really frustrated. They wanted to see more of the original [monster] and I thought he was definitely cooked, with an orange in his mouth. So I thought: 'Wow, OK, I'm wrong'.""The fans, in a funny kind of way – they're not the final word – but they are the reflection of your doubts about something," Scott explains, "and then you realise 'I was wrong' or 'I was right'. I think that's where it comes in. I think you're not sensible if you don't actually take [the fans' reaction] into account."
So he gave us f*cking Aliens on the next round.
QuoteIs the lack of a legit Alien really all that high on the list of complaints about that movie though?
Yes.
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2019, 09:34:06 PM
QuoteIs the lack of a legit Alien really all that high on the list of complaints about that movie though?
Yes.
Oh yes it is. Personally it didn't bother me as much, I'm all for stories within the universe that don't involve an alien specifically. But to set it in the same bloody system as LV-426, and feature the Jockeys, I think it became too much of a tease for some people, and then that tacked on ending with the Deacon felt like an olive branch to fans that fell on its arse. My problems were with the writing, I can live without an alien as long as I get a well written sci-fi horror that deals with similar themes.
It's not like we would ever get another movie with an alien that was just as badly written as a result of our complaints.... :-[
I see it as a blessing in disguise. If Ridleys AI fascination had not been ferried by Alien, Dennis and 2049 might not have happened the way it did. At least we got one masterpiece out of this mess.
Though I'd have preferred they all been perfect, I'm glad Villenueve and his vision found the light of day.
SM's totally incorrect. It's a scapegoat, nothing more.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 15, 2019, 09:31:01 PM
Quote from: Ridley Scott"It went straight up there, and we discovered from it that [the fans] were really frustrated. They wanted to see more of the original [monster] and I thought he was definitely cooked, with an orange in his mouth. So I thought: 'Wow, OK, I'm wrong'.""The fans, in a funny kind of way – they're not the final word – but they are the reflection of your doubts about something," Scott explains, "and then you realise 'I was wrong' or 'I was right'. I think that's where it comes in. I think you're not sensible if you don't actually take [the fans' reaction] into account."
So he gave us f*cking Aliens on the next round.
We all know about Ridley's words about xeno, but how about any Ridley's quotes and/or explanations about characters?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on May 14, 2019, 01:40:00 AM
Prometheus was great. Grand in its successes and shortcomings. Love it.
Yes, I want to see the conclusion of the prequels as well. After Covenant, it is for me more about closure than about being excited to be honest.
Agree. Prometheus has more inspiration. I love Covenant, but it looks like - FINISH THE STORY.
It's grand and epic, but written poorly without focus and it's obvious.
It accomplishes what it intends to do - give a glimpse into much greater and grander horrors.
I am certain it intended to be good and intelligent, and failed.
Quote from: The Old One on May 18, 2019, 04:37:20 PM
I am certain it intended to be good and intelligent, and failed.
Yeah, if you're trying to make an intelligent film, it helps to have characters who don't act like complete morons.
Quote from: The Old One on May 18, 2019, 04:37:20 PM
I am certain it intended to be good and intelligent, and failed.
Who knows? I think on some level it was making fun of itself, and the fact that it's forced to be a horror film. Everything about Fifield and Milburn felt self-aware. It was caught somewhere in between being serious yet campy, horrific yet funny, surprising yet predictable. Is it tropey? yes. But it knows it is. It's like the film groans and says, "we have to do this, here we go"... Maybe it's a bad, burned out attitude, but it's stopped bothering me long ago.
That's the thing though, the film didn't have to do anything. As other recent intelligent horror films have shown, such as It Comes At Night, The Witch and Under The Skin.
Defying audience expectations is alright, as long as you have something of substance to replace it with. Prometheus' fault is it didn't. For heaven's sake, some of the dialogue alone: "Half a billion lightyears." -So barely out of our solar system Meredith Vickers?
Doesn't exactly encourage the audience to engage with the lofty questions the film poses when they can't believe in the world because of it's lack of logic, or a solid character to attach to, and I don't mean attach to as in care for, I mean believable characterisation.
The clearest example I can think of is that Prometheus wants us to believe, that both Fifield and Millburn are intelligent scientists early on- poking fun at the mission's ridiculous premise. (While using "Darwinism" as terminology, oh Lord.) Ok, but then later on wants us to believe they're idiots- neither is an unattainable goal. But which is it Prometheus?
Don't get me started on how hard it is to take a antagonist (The Pathogen) seriously when it's "power" is so inconsistent and dependant upon what the plot requires, it doesn't make your antagonists or protagonists impressive or respectable. You respect them whenever they do everything right and still fail.
Sorry to resurrect this topic but...is this still a thing? No news at all?
Nothing official, no.
Patiently waiting for news......got excited for a moment lol.
Prometheus is pretty at least.
The deacon/trilobite design didn't hold my interest.
Dumb characters didn't help either. It's a shame because the actual performances in the film are good to excellent.
Perhaps someday darkness will shine upon the alien franchise once again.
Quote from: razeak on Aug 01, 2019, 01:38:07 PM
Patiently waiting for news......got excited for a moment lol.
Prometheus is pretty at least.
The deacon/trilobite design didn't hold my interest.
Dumb characters didn't help either. It's a shame because the actual performances in the film are good to excellent.
The crashing of the derelict makes everything else forgivable.
It can't if it happened.....before. haha
All is forgiven for one good scene?
Haha, I don't think so.
I don't know, the running in a straight line as it slowly falls toward Theron kind of spoils that scene. They should have veered and a piece of debris should hit her instead.
Post-Disney they now have to clear their slate since Fox still had movies by the time they got bought. They didn't have an Alien, Predator, or even a crossover filming or waiting on release at the time, we got nothing. Comics, games, and novels are pretty much as good as it gets outside of anything like the shorts until something clears up.
Quote from: razeak on Aug 02, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
I don't know, the running in a straight line as it slowly falls toward Theron kind of spoils that scene. They should have veered and a piece of debris should hit her instead.
True, but still awesome to see.
The more I think about it, yes it was a great sequence visually. Everything from the pilot and crew deciding to do it forward was pretty cool to see.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 02, 2019, 01:32:52 AMThe crashing of the derelict makes everything else forgivable.
But you can see that by watching the trailer, and thereby spare yourself the rest of the movie.
Indeed, it is one of the greatest trailers of all time.
Quote from: razeak on Aug 02, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
I don't know, the running in a straight line as it slowly falls toward Theron kind of spoils that scene. They should have veered and a piece of debris should hit her instead.
They did veer.
Indeed, and so does the ship.
Quote from: SM on Aug 05, 2019, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: razeak on Aug 02, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
I don't know, the running in a straight line as it slowly falls toward Theron kind of spoils that scene. They should have veered and a piece of debris should hit her instead.
They did veer.
Face palm lol. Okay, they should have veered a hard 90 and sprinted like hell. They actually appear to have taken a decent angle on the veer. Just not enough .
Yes, indeed.
Quote from: razeak on Aug 05, 2019, 09:19:55 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 05, 2019, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: razeak on Aug 02, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
I don't know, the running in a straight line as it slowly falls toward Theron kind of spoils that scene. They should have veered and a piece of debris should hit her instead.
They did veer.
Face palm lol. Okay, they should have veered a hard 90 and sprinted like hell. They actually appear to have taken a decent angle on the veer. Just not enough .
You mean the characters in a sci-fi horror movie are supposed to make logical choices and survive?
It's just not the Hollywood way.
WELL LET ME TELL YOU BOUT SOME LIFE EXPERIENCE OL BOYS.
*CRACKS KNUCLES*
At my place of work a dude was setting up a disk used for agriculture. He had it on its frame with the tongue pointed straight up in the air, but he had too much slack on the forklift. The disk tilted towards him, snapped the bands holding it in place and fell and broke his back.
Do you know which direction he ran? Not the way that was shorter than the other.
You don't think rationally in that situation.
Survive, not necessarily?
Create characters, decisions and characterization the audience is able to respect, understand and accept? Yes.
I don't see a issue with the Juggernaut falling sequence particularly, but for other aspects of the film I've mentioned previously, I do.
Prometheus had problems that were far worse than Vickers getting crushed by a giant horseshoe.
Indeed.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 05, 2019, 11:00:31 PM
Prometheus had problems that were far worse than Vickers getting crushed by a giant horseshoe.
If only they showed us the horse.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 05, 2019, 11:00:31 PM
Prometheus had problems that were far worse than Vickers getting crushed by a giant horseshoe.
To be honest I'd already got so sick of the morons in the film by that point I don't even remember it registering in the cinema.
I empathize.
Remember when we were all excited that Ridley Scott was coming back to Alien?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 06, 2019, 05:30:14 PM
Remember when we were all excited that Ridley Scott was coming back to Alien?
Such a naive fool I was.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 06, 2019, 05:33:39 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 06, 2019, 05:30:14 PM
Remember when we were all excited that Ridley Scott was coming back to Alien?
Such a naive fool I was.
Many of us were
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 06, 2019, 05:30:14 PM
Remember when we were all excited that Ridley Scott was coming back to Alien?
I was just happy we were finally getting a new Alien movie (so I thought). Ridley directing it was just icing on the cake.
Indeed, I received a consolation because of it though, TCF exists, oh and also of course Prometheus' concept art and David's Drawings.
In the end I'm glad Ridley returned to Alien.
Hopefully he'll return once more. Before it's too late..
Quote from: Evanus on Aug 06, 2019, 09:39:07 PM
In the end I'm glad Ridley returned to Alien.
Hopefully he'll return once more. Before it's too late..
I'm on side with this. The movies were definitely intellectually stimulating which is something I want from my Aliens films. They conformed to certain horror standards of silliness but I do think they did much good for the series. Prometheus is one of my favourite films of all time now. In the top 10.
To each their own I guess.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 07, 2019, 03:45:36 AMThe movies were definitely intellectually stimulating which is something I want from my Aliens films.
For me they're as intellectually destitute as they are stimulating, which leaves me wondering why I should bother being stimulated.
(Phrasing.)
I find them artistically stimulating in general, if not directly intellectually stimulating while watching. They're arty B-movies with big budgets and fun critters, at heart - to my mind.
Don't know so much about the intellectual part, but they were certainly trying to be artistic and philosophical which I quite enjoyed, mostly cause the fans did the heavy lifting and found deeper meaning and metaphors that probably weren't there intentionally... They are so far from perfect, missed a lot of great opportunities, but I do appreciate what the prequels have brought to the table.
https://www.thewrap.com/disney-fox-dark-phoenix-box-office-struggles/
Doesn't specifically mention Alien or Predator in here, but with the under-performance lately you can't help but worry a little bit, especially as neither are listed as one of Fox's "valuable" properties.
Reducing the Fox film slate to "fewer films" isn't music to my ears.
I'm in-between, I enjoy a great deal of Prometheus but I'm also willing to admit it isn't really good as a film. And I enjoy a great deal of Covenant lingering on the cusp of being good, and it afforded the ability for my now favourite Alien story to exist as is.
And I definitely enjoy the discussion surrounding the prequel story.
So continuing Alien may have been axed, as well as the Die Hard prequel I would assume. And Predator I imagine had nothing being currently developed to be axed.
- "Disney is also axing the majority of the existing Fox film development slate and refocusing output, after the studio posted a $170 million operating loss in Disney's fiscal third quarter.
"While many industry insiders have speculated about the long-term survival of Fox as a standalone content engine — as Marvel, Lucasfilm and Pixar exist under Disney and its top-earning film and animation shops — Iger said he's assigned his top film lieutenants Alan Horn and Alan Bergman to apply the same "discipline and creative standards" to the division now run by Emma Watts. This means tossing the majority of projects in development, Iger said, taking the label "in a new direction, with an all new development slate that will focus on a select group of properties."
"James Cameron's sequels to "Avatar" will proceed, as well as a continuation of the "Planet of the Apes" series (no new film in that series has been announced since the release of 2017's "War for the Planet of the Apes"). Iger also said indie label Fox Searchlight will continue on its current trajectory and also make movies for Disney Plus. Overall, Fox's film divisions will pare back the total number of releases, he said.
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/disney-fox-xmen-marvel-studio-losses-1203294296/
:-\
>:( >:( >:(
I'm just going to manage my expectations that a continuation of Covenant is not happening. I want to see the finale, but i can't be disappointed any more if I temper my expectations. For all it's faults and a few things I disagree with being the best decision (xeno origin), I certainly found it to be interesting. The crazed AI has me hooked.
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Quote from: Fiendishly InventiveI think for the foreseeable viability of the Alien franchise's future, Disney requests the status quo again, to return the franchise to it's popular beginning qualities.
Ridley Scott's a big name, but perhaps future involvement is in a directing or producing capacity only, with someone else helming the real purpose of the ship;
The Alien re-established as ancient again, the extinct SJ race established as existing previously to the nearly extinct Engineer race and David's creator status being retconned, Final Prequel film- all whilist creating a soft-reboot amalgamation of the first three films.
I guarantee it.
Classic stories or new ways - eventually it's all about quality.
Honestly I think they'll just go for a soft reboot. New ship, new crew, original alien. Nothing about the origins.
It's a little sad that I'm not even bothered that Ridley's prequel series might have been cancelled.
^ This
If and when we do get a new movie, it might not be even released in theaters, but rather Hulu and an international equivalent:
- "Sources say the 20th Century Fox silo could make 10 or more movies a year, with half or more headed directly for Disney's new streaming service or Hulu, now controlled by Disney."
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disney-sets-course-pared-down-20th-century-fox-170m-loss-1229848
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 07, 2019, 05:08:44 PM
It's a little sad that I'm not even bothered that Ridley's prequel series might have been cancelled.
Likewise.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 07, 2019, 05:29:26 PM
If and when we do get a new movie, it might not be even released in theaters, but rather Hulu and an international equivalent:
I doubt. Star Wars, Marvel - on the big screen. Why not Alien?
Money.
Money? You mean box-office? In this case, X-man also go to Hulu.
X-Men will be rebooted as part of the MCU. If anything, it was one of the prize assets that Disney got in the acquisition.
Quote from: Drukathi on Aug 07, 2019, 05:36:37 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 07, 2019, 05:29:26 PM
If and when we do get a new movie, it might not be even released in theaters, but rather Hulu and an international equivalent:
I doubt. Star Wars, Marvel - on the big screen. Why not Alien?
Alien Covenant made 74 Million total only in the US, the very country studios get the biggest portion of ticket sales. If that's a Star Wars or Marvel movie, that's an epic disaster flop performance.
Yeah, for especially Disney's expectations for performance.
BURN IT ALL DOWN
Quote from: Evanus on Aug 07, 2019, 04:52:05 PM
Honestly I think they'll just go for a soft reboot. New ship, new crew, original alien. Nothing about the origins.
So... Life?
Life was a far better Alien movie than any of Ridley's prequels if you ask me.
It felt like a cheap retread of Alien to me. That was my first jaded reaction to it. It's on Netflix now so I might give it a gander.
I enjoyed Prometheus much more than Life. I don't think it was the Alien aspects either. It was just such a grand vision that despite its shortcomings, the grandeur cannot be obscured.
Prometheus for all its faults was streets ahead of Life.
^
I unequivocally argree with this.
My biggest issue with Prometheus is it only thinks it's a smart movie.
Life, on the other hand, knew exactly what it was, and hit its marks with far greater success.
I'm growing increasingly ambivalent toward continuing from Covenant the more I think about it.
Now this is why cliffhangers suck. Unless you're filming all of the films at the same time, in one go, you can never guarantee that you'll have the money to make the rest. So we get an unfinished story cause who gives a shit about respecting the audience that's actually watching this and wants the full story?
And wtf Disney? I already never cared for the Marvel movies much and I'm tired of superheros altogether. When the money is the only focus, there's no more room for creativity and art. Without risks, no art. If they really tighten things as much as we feared, things will get so bland. There'll be less movies for me it seems.
If they really plan on ignoring Alien and Predator, give it to someone else. Give them tv shows and let people there try a new approach. I'm much more excited for and satisfied by shows than movies anymore.
They should hire ADF to finish the story in novel form.
They should just make the third film, with a good script and clear vision, that's what they should do!
Quote from: Still Collating... on Aug 07, 2019, 10:14:39 PM
Now this is why cliffhangers suck. Unless you're filming all of the films at the same time, in one go, you can never guarantee that you'll have the money to make the rest. So we get an unfinished story cause who gives a shit about respecting the audience that's actually watching this and wants the full story?
And wtf Disney? I already never cared for the Marvel movies much and I'm tired of superheros altogether. When the money is the only focus, there's no more room for creativity and art. Without risks, no art. If they really tighten things as much as we feared, things will get so bland. There'll be less movies for me it seems.
If they really plan on ignoring Alien and Predator, give it to someone else. Give them tv shows and let people there try a new approach. I'm much more excited for and satisfied by shows than movies anymore.
Ehem... Dune
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2019, 10:24:39 PM
They should hire ADF to finish the story in novel form.
Yes. I've said this before.
Quote from: Evanus on Aug 07, 2019, 11:12:05 PM
They should just make the third film, with a good script and clear vision, that's what they should do!
But that's asking too much.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2019, 10:24:39 PM
They should hire ADF to finish the story in novel form.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 07, 2019, 11:54:47 PM
Yes. I've said this before.
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ADF will MAKE THE ALIEN's ORIGIN GREAT AGAIN!
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 07, 2019, 11:54:47 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Aug 07, 2019, 11:12:05 PM
They should just make the third film, with a good script and clear vision, that's what they should do!
But that's asking too much.
Apparently. >:(
I need closure! Guess I'll never get it lol.
I'm sticking to my prediction.
The Final Prequel's on it's way, Directed by Ridley Scott, but really Directed by Disney.
With a laundry list of studio mandates?
If none of this is on the schedule for 2020 to maybe 2021 it makes sense. So if Iger is sending his guys down to whip everybody into shape, more power to him. I'd be damned if I'd let a studio holding those franchises continue to screw up since it cut into the bottom line.
I hate to be overly optimistic about this but like I said, Disney isn't about to loose money on those properties. If all they wanted was X-men they wouldn't have bothered with the purchase. X-men rights don't travel so Disney gets them regardless. If Iger sends his people to fix this rather than close the studio that's a blessing. If Disney wants Alien and Predator to be healthy franchises, let them. At the very least it's going to be profitable.
I think Predator is done for a long while.
After the mess that was made of the last one, I don't believe casuals are going to bother seeing another until it's far out of mind. If the interest isn't there, then the money isn't there, and neither is Disney.
Anyone else see the rumors about the Disney+/ESPN+/Hulu package being only $12.99? If it's true, they've already got me.
Honestly, anything that gets featured on a streaming juggernaut like that will probably get more eyeballs than most theatrically released films.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 08, 2019, 01:04:34 AM
I think Predator is done for a long while.
After the mess that was made of the last one, I don't believe casuals are going to bother seeing another until it's far out of mind. If the interest isn't there, then the money isn't there, and neither is Disney.
They never made Disney money. The solo Predator films (including The Predator) made money consistent with each other. The reason we write of The Predator as a loss was that somebody made the production redo the entire third act which costs millions to do. It would've done fine in fact world-wide it's about as profitable as the crossovers. But re-shooting an entire third act and saddling that film with an extra third of it's production budget was careless. It's the highest grossing of the solo franchise, but once you saddle it with what it cost to market, the third of it's budget tacked on, the inability to sell merchandise since they're no longer in the film, you
loose millions on it. The decision for the re-shoots is the single worst idea the suits could've had on that production since while it wouldn't have done well critically, it still would've gotten more than what they did on tax credits.
These films don't cost that much to make. You throw a few million into it and you come back with a decent haul. It's not Marvel kinds of successful, but few horror movies are. If you think throwing money at the problem would make it go away you're in the wrong business. It's a problem of suits and less the GA since these movies aren't blockbusters to begin with and expecting that as well in September? No, that's dumb. It's out of season since the 2018 Summer season was filled with heavy hitters but still gave people reason to go to the theater and now that it's wrapped up and people are back or coming back from Vacation? This was a disaster waiting to happen.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 08, 2019, 01:04:34 AM
I think Predator is done for a long while.
After the mess that was made of the last one, I don't believe casuals are going to bother seeing another until it's far out of mind. If the interest isn't there, then the money isn't there, and neither is Disney.
Maybe the upcoming game will bring more interest after its release. But yeah the movies will be in a limbo for a while.
Is there any way to see like the "box office" of the EU stuff? Maybe even if Disney doesn't want to invest on more movies they can keep the games/books if those have been doing well lately.
I don't personally see another Predator film hitting theaters for at least 8-10 years.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2019, 01:10:20 AM
Anyone else see the rumors about the Disney+/ESPN+/Hulu package being only $12.99? If it's true, they've already got me.
Honestly, anything that gets featured on a streaming juggernaut like that will probably get more eyeballs than most theatrically released films.
Yep I heard that too. It's a great price point for sure!.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 08, 2019, 01:04:34 AM
I think Predator is done for a long while.
After the mess that was made of the last one, I don't believe casuals are going to bother seeing another until it's far out of mind. If the interest isn't there, then the money isn't there, and neither is Disney.
Boy, for one who doesn't seem like a big Predator fan nor participates in most of the Predator threads, The Predator is really stuck in your competition craw Huggsy. :)
I think The Predator is so forgettable and shallow it's already forgotten, more than Covenant, and both did extremely poor in blockbuster terms in the US... 51 and 74 Million respectively. But these proven commodities on the smaller screen with good writing and smaller budgets, Hulu might just be what the doctor ordered for both of these franchises! Unless Arnold or Sigourney return ala Terminator & Halloween and broaden the project's potential audience.
QuoteThese films don't cost that much to make. You throw a few million into it and you come back with a decent haul.
You don't get a decent movie that's effects heavy for "a few million".
kids these days
Considering a great Predator film can be achieved in an Earth environment with a fully practical suit and minimal basic cgi fx (plasma firing & camoflague), I always thought Alien had the much tougher row to hoe in regards to a minimal budget due to off-earth environments.
But the Alien Tongal films were an excellent reminder that with creative script writing and plain ol' ingenuity, you can still accomplish a lot with a smaller budget. With the right creative team, a lower budget Alien movie or series on Hulu can be both highly profitable and excellent.
they need to put the shorts on a blu ray the f**kers
Maybe on a collection bonus disc one day, to lure us to purchase a full franchise set one more time. ;D
actually that is probably pretty accurate
i see you future corporate product sales advisor
As has been said, I'd personally like to see them hand off the last prequel to ADF.
Then alongside a novel covering Shaw and David's journey to paradise, begin work on a tv series.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 08, 2019, 01:47:14 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 08, 2019, 01:04:34 AM
I think Predator is done for a long while.
After the mess that was made of the last one, I don't believe casuals are going to bother seeing another until it's far out of mind. If the interest isn't there, then the money isn't there, and neither is Disney.
Boy, for one who doesn't seem like a big Predator fan nor participates in most of the Predator threads, The Predator is really stuck in your competition craw Huggsy. :)
I think The Predator is so forgettable and shallow it's already forgotten, more than Covenant, and both did extremely poor in blockbuster terms in the US... 51 and 74 Million respectively. But these proven commodities on the smaller screen with good writing and smaller budgets, Hulu might just be what the doctor ordered for both of these franchises! Unless Arnold or Sigourney return ala Terminator & Halloween and broaden the project's potential audience.
I have very slim hopes for either franchise under Disney. I think the EU is still the life's blood for these moving forward.
Under Disney the franchise still has hope because the first Predator, Alien, and Aliens were all pretty big blockbusters for the time. The might see those figures, take a couple of years to see if rebooting or continuation is the best way to go (it's rebooting guys I'm sorry) and go from there.
There is also the whole disney doesn't do rated r movies, they have a studio that releases r films that is owned by them (can't remember name) that they might be trying to move all that under as well.
Or maybe they are looking for buyers.
Might take a couple of years but I seriously doubt that the series is done with.
One could look at DH at present time retaining the titles in the eu as a sign that they DON'T want to keep the films, since they pretty much instantly shut down DH and SW after they signed it over so Marvel could distribute new EU stories.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 08, 2019, 01:47:14 AM
Anyone else see the rumors about the Disney+/ESPN+/Hulu package being only $12.99? If it's true, they've already got me.
I read that the Hulu that's part of that package is ad-supported. I already pay for ad-free Hulu, and The Mandalorian is the only thing on Disney+ that I'm interested in.
So it's not worth it for me. I'd rather wait and pay a one-time fee to buy Mandalorian on blu-ray.
I'll sign up as a slutty show of gratitude if they give us a final Alien prequel!
I don't see a hard reboot for the future of the franchise, soft reboot after the final prequel, yes.
It's hard reboot all the way IF Disney retains ownership.
I'm telling ya.
Disney don't want none of that experimental noomi killer david.
If they go reboot I reckon they'll retain the first two.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 08, 2019, 12:13:22 AM
I'm sticking to my prediction.
The Final Prequel's on it's way, Directed by Ridley Scott, but really Directed by Disney.
Hopefully.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 08, 2019, 01:41:01 AM
I don't personally see another Predator film hitting theaters for at least 8-10 years.
Well yes... but actually no. There is an upcoming animated musical film called "One Thousand and One Hunts", with Will Smith as Genie.
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Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 08, 2019, 04:02:28 AM
It's hard reboot all the way IF Disney retains ownership.
I'm telling ya.
Disney don't want none of that experimental noomi killer david.
While I believe the future of the franchise is more uncertain than ever right now, I think the point is a last prequel with Disney literally directing. I.E no more experiments.
Quote from: SM on Aug 08, 2019, 04:04:27 AM
If they go reboot I reckon they'll retain the first two.
It would be the right thing to do. But I think Disney wants to make FOX its new franchise factory, with concepts more faithful to their business profile, such as Avatar, Planet of the Apes or:
https://twitter.com/ComicBook/status/1158847034692161536
https://twitter.com/FilmTVDiversity/status/1158937102148444162
I think they would consider a reboot only if they are sure they can sell it to a more massive audience. So If they want money from this franchise, they will have to do engineering and keep only the title :-X
It's just an opinion! by the way :P
I honestly don't know what I want from Disney in regards to the Alien films,, Ideally they would let Ridley do his last prequel, I don't know if I'd get Disney plus or Hulu if it was just for an Alien series.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 08, 2019, 03:54:04 AM
soft reboot after the final prequel, yes.
If Disney has the same thoughts - this will never happen. Because - where is the point? Make the final prequel and then erase them all to reboot?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2019, 10:24:39 PM
They should hire ADF to finish the story in novel form.
Or as a screenwriter for the next film.
Well, a soft reboot wouldn't erase it all. You could just have new characters and a new setting, but in the same world.
I'd be fine with that. Better than a full blown remake..
Agreed
No, reboot it. Don't go in for a reboot if all we're going to do is ask how it fits into the timeline.
We don't do anything with Resurrection, Predator is the only one that acknowledged the crossover, and we've got nothing to indicate the Prequels will wrap up. What's the point if Ripley's story is complete (twice over) in the first place? And then you got the story avenues which are either dead or based off existing characters that we brought back yet choose not to use which creates narrative dead ends.
Reboot it. Start over with a new cast and characters and when able to stand on its own, then you can add stuff back in.
Obviously because you wrap up the Prequel storyline with one more film under Disney supervision, then soft-reboot it post Resurrection-
With the sort of premise Alien The RPG established, resestablishing the status quo of the Aliens/Alien³ era to a degree.
It's the most obvious correct choice I've seen so far.
Easy. A hard reboot is totally unnecessary. And discards years of excellent story telling. (And not so great also, but most of that content is basically already non-canon.)
With no certainty the reboot matches the quality of the first three original Alien films, Predator, Isolation or even The Cold Forge.
Soft or hard reboot - doesn't matter for me. Or/and after any part of the saga.
I believe that any specific dates in themselves kill most of one of Alien's main components - the unknown. I prefer old good: "sometime in the future". Without specific dates or indications of a specific part of the saga. Leave the stories of Ripley and David as they are, and put another film in the same universe. This is exactly what The Cold Forge does. Explain the origin eggs, xenos and/or connection with other films, not necessary.
Fair enough, but continuity exists regardless of if we are aware of it or not. The Cold Forge also explicitly dates itself- And with Disney's "Phase" way of filmmaking I expect a timeline.
I do hope these big wigs if they're willing to give Scott one last film, they should amass a team and inquire Alien fans of what they liked and disliked about the prequels and based on the answers grab a screenwriter and find tune the final film. If they love $$$$$ they have to. If not, they'll continue with half baked story lines like Prometheus and Covenant.
It's a pity its reached to this point.
Indeed.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Aug 08, 2019, 01:04:23 PM
No, reboot it. Don't go in for a reboot if all we're going to do is ask how it fits into the timeline.
We don't do anything with Resurrection, Predator is the only one that acknowledged the crossover, and we've got nothing to indicate the Prequels will wrap up. What's the point if Ripley's story is complete (twice over) in the first place? And then you got the story avenues which are either dead or based off existing characters that we brought back yet choose not to use which creates narrative dead ends.
Reboot it. Start over with a new cast and characters and when able to stand on its own, then you can add stuff back in.
This man the only one with any sense at all.
There's no reason not to do a soft reboot. I imagine that if Disney does a hard reboot, they'll do it for the opportunity to make it more PG-13.
Aliens come from their hosts' mouths with little blood, or they just hatch from eggs or some garbage.
Could this mean the end of the franchise?
Hopefully they just sell off the two and call it a day, and if they do that hopefully whoever buys them cans any more Alien prequel ideas.
It requires finishing.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 08, 2019, 06:02:54 PM
It requires finishing.
I disagree on a cellular level, but to each their own
Quote from: Evanus on Aug 08, 2019, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 08, 2019, 06:02:54 PM
It requires finishing.
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To a portion of us fans, it does. But we'll all go to an Alien film regardless if it's connected or not.
But I would say to the general populace, no, they're not clamoring for finishing, and I would imagine Disnox is quite aware of this.
I would anticipate finishing in the EU is the likely the best we can hope for, and something new in the form of a Hulu series or movie... or a Sigourney Requel that can be a launching pad for younger characters like Newt is where the smart money lies.
Honestly, at this point, I'd accept finishing in the EU. I'd even accept Ridley announcing where he was planning to take everything in an interview so we at least have a general idea of what happened between Covenant and Alien.
I just want a little closure and I'm lowering my expectations.
I think there is little chance the prequel series is finished now.
Disney I'm sure will turn their nose up at the experimental nature of the prequel series.
And any other corporation that buys the franchise from disney is under no obligation to continue the series.
I actually think the series is MORE safe with Disney than other studios because Disney will at least put money into the franchise and go for more formulatic ideas, while some smaller studio might be more experimental and produce trash.
Disney isn't going to release any AvPrs.
Ridley will hold onto it forever. Unless he gets to make the movie, we're never going to know.
I'd like to see it all play out in the EU. Heck, I'd read a novel version of Neil's Alien 5. Crazy ideas seem to come off better on paper anyway.
What I'd like to see, for starters.
David/Shaw Novel "Journey to Paradise".
"Alien: Awakening" Novel
NB's Alien 5 novel
Novelizations of Gibson, Twohy, and Wards Alien 3 scripts
Another full length Alien audible drama
A predator audible drama
AVP: Prey audible drama
Sequel novel to Predators 2010
Official Predator 3 novel
Tv series based in the Alien universe
Sequel collections to "if it bleeds" and "bug hunt"
An original novel detailing the events of a xenomorph infestation, as told through survivor debriefs (in the spirit of WWZ).
Ridley is about as big time a director as there is.
But he's little fry compared to the behemoth that is the disney corporation.
Quote from: David's Creation on Aug 08, 2019, 10:29:14 PM
Honestly, at this point, I'd accept finishing in the EU. I'd even accept Ridley announcing where he was planning to take everything in an interview so we at least have a general idea of what happened between Covenant and Alien.
I just want a little closure and I'm lowering my expectations.
It seems to be one of the few possibilities left at the moment. But I wanted an audiovisual experience, like a mini series or something :-\
Quote from: David's Creation on Aug 08, 2019, 10:29:14 PM
I'd even accept Ridley announcing where he was planning to take everything in an interview so we at least have a general idea of what happened between Covenant and Alien.
I doubt he has that already decided even by now.
I think Disney's the one
deciding now.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 09, 2019, 01:44:37 AM
I think Disney's the one
deciding now.
I dunno, Scotts age is actually a bonus in this scenario. He's most likely at ( or already been in) the "Screw it, it's my life" part of his life.
I think Alien and Predator are just not in Disney's wheelhouse. They're never going to make Marvel money, and so they'll never get the budget they need, if they ever get a future at all.
I think they'll just sell the franchises. Maybe to Blumhouse.
Quote from: Stitch on Aug 09, 2019, 12:17:22 PM
I think Alien and Predator are just not in Disney's wheelhouse. They're never going to make Marvel money, and so they'll never get the budget they need, if they ever get a future at all.
I think they'll just sell the franchises. Maybe to Blumhouse.
No. Universal Pictures.Finally we can see Alien vs The Thing. And Predator vs Dracula, Predator vs the Invisible man. :)
Quote from: Stitch on Aug 09, 2019, 12:17:22 PM
I think Alien and Predator are just not in Disney's wheelhouse. They're never going to make Marvel money, and so they'll never get the budget they need, if they ever get a future at all.
I think they'll just sell the franchises. Maybe to Blumhouse.
As I've said before, at least with Predator it doesn't cost that much to make (Predators was 40 million and they still pulled it off). They are on the lower end of the spectrum and you get a decent haul out of them. The money has always been in the merchandise anyways and you get that on far less of a budget. Even the original film if adjusted for inflation it roughly comes out a little less than what it cost to make Predators. Predator 2 is a different story assuming Google's figure was correct, but given they'd actually been shooting on location I'd be able to see why it was so high.
Disney is also unlikely to sell off assets since gaining them was in part to wanting the back catalogue anyways. It's cheap, merchandise still moves, and you only have to make one every handful of years. So it's very much a low-risk investment. The films being out of commission doesn't mean other products wont move either. We still got toys, novels, comics, and games which Disney stands to benefit off of. Yeah it's not Marvel money,but neither is Oswald the lucky rabbit.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 07, 2019, 07:33:44 PM
Life was a far better Alien movie than any of Ridley's prequels if you ask me.
Life is better than
Prometheus and
Covenant as
alien movie but is worse as a movie in general.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 09, 2019, 08:47:34 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 07, 2019, 07:33:44 PM
Life was a far better Alien movie than any of Ridley's prequels if you ask me.
Life is better than Prometheus and Covenant as alien movie but is worse as a movie in general.
My head just exploded.
Why? I prefer Prometheus and Covenant than Life. They're better made movies. However Life is better as alien (not Alien) movie than Scott's films. Why? Because Scott's movies aren't really about aliens but David.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 09, 2019, 08:47:34 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 07, 2019, 07:33:44 PM
Life was a far better Alien movie than any of Ridley's prequels if you ask me.
Life is better than Prometheus and Covenant as alien movie
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Response full of intelligent arguments :)
I guess you could say it was scarier/more suspenseful. Other than the Neomorph stuff in Covenant, the prequels are not that scary.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 09, 2019, 09:06:12 PM
Response full of intelligent arguments :)
Kidding aside, let me rewatch Life and weigh in on this again. It's been a while. I just recall being very unimpressed while watching it while recognizing echoes of Alien.
No worries. I should probably re watch Life as I have watched it once only.
I remember having a great time at the theater watching Life, more than the prequels sure. Haven't watched it since that day.
Disney: We would like to see the Alien franchise continue and take it in a new direction...
Ridley Scott: I don't feel so good...
But really I was scared at first but I am glad/surprised to see that most people would like to at least see the prequels finished before we start something new. That is all I ever wanted.
Quote from: Stitch on Aug 09, 2019, 12:17:22 PM
I think Alien and Predator are just not in Disney's wheelhouse. They're never going to make Marvel money, and so they'll never get the budget they need, if they ever get a future at all.
I think they'll just sell the franchises. Maybe to Blumhouse.
Nah, they won't sell. It's Hulu, Hulu, Hulu
We already learned that Disnox will be releasing around 10 Movies per year, with half or more going to Disney+/Hulu.
If we learned anything from the Tongal shorts is Alien can be made on the cheap, and so obviously can Predator with its Earth based locales. They are already established properties with built-in audiences.
To me the road-map is crystal clear, with James Cameron and Sigourney Weaver as the wildcard of course.
That would be the dream solution. Come on Jim, show Riddles how it's done.
Too busy doing 50 Avatar sequels. :P
I know. But what if Avatar 3 tanks? Could happen?
Possible but I doubt if so-
the man wants to go directly to Alien afterwards,
I imagine after so much time gone to waste, demoralisation.
He has stated that he wants to do Avatar movies for the rest of his career.
Having read that, the chaos-craving part of me wants to see what would happen if Avatar 2 flopped hard.
Well Avatar 3 is a guarantee regardless.
A reddit user has created a list of all the projects that have been scrubbed from the Fox development slate. These are projects in any form of development with Fox, from pitch to active development. Many of these projects would never be made but some were quite far along.
I've only given it a cursory glance but the mooted Alien sequel appears to not be on that list...
https://imgur.com/a/dKxcoRv
Take with a grain of salt, of course.
Is that leaked info? Either way you're right, doesn't seem like there's an Alien title in there...
Yes, it's apparently a leaked list from a reddit user but many are regarding it as genuine. With the people they've let go, I imagine this information would leak but who knows.
I think I found the post, yeah. No mention of an Alien film at all. He does say there were 5 Ridley Scott produced films.
Edit: so I asked him about the next prequel and he replied. Basically he said that Scott Free is attached to do the film, Disney/Fox aren't. And that Disney won't kill the franchise. We'll see how trustworthy he is, I suppose.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 11, 2019, 12:41:24 AM
That would be the dream solution. Come on Jim, show Riddles how it's done.
I don't think he's mean spirited enough in his old age to do more Action-Horror. It's all Action-Adventure from here on out for him.
Are we sure that's correct?
Venom 2 is on that list and Venom is a movie property tied up with Sony, not Fox.
And otherwise I wasn't aware they'd have the rights to the 2005 horror film of the same name nor would imagine if they did they'd even remember it.
That one's a bit of a puzzle, yeah. Still, it seems legit. Doubt someone would go through all this trouble just to troll some people. But you never know :D
Also seems odd that Disney/ Fox isn't attached to an IP they own - but Scott Free is?
He seemed a little uninformed about the whole Alien situation. He wasn't sure who had the rights to the franchise. Obviously Disney has the rights now, so whatever Scott's up to he'll have to work with Disney.
I think he just meant that Scott Free is hoping to do a new film, but Disney hasn't greenlit anything officially.
Is it remotely possible Scott Free could purchase the rights to the Aliens ( :P) series and just run it himself? Nah...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 12, 2019, 12:36:51 AM
Is it remotely possible Scott Free could purchase the rights to the Aliens ( :P) series and just run it himself? Nah...
That would be strange if they could. I don't see Disney doing that however seeing as AVP was PG-13 and is eligible to get on Disney+ assuming Fox's back catalogue goes there. Seeing as AVP is part of two franchises, they'd likely need the rights to do that and host it. Losing Alien means they'd probably loose two films and while they aren't great that's still two films Disney can't profit off of. Getting the back catalogue for better or worse was kind of the point.
I think R-rated stuff will be on Hulu.
It's goofy, but we've recently learned that AVP is a separate license from Alien and Predator.
That's been known all along.
Alien, Predator, AvP and Prometheus are all separate licenses.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 12, 2019, 12:36:51 AM
Is it remotely possible Scott Free could purchase the rights to the Aliens ( :P) series and just run it himself? Nah...
I hope not!! :-X
That would be uh.. interesting.
Preferably Disney just lets Scott finish the prequel story properly, and then move on from there. I'd be happy to see certain things return, like the Neomorphs.
Quote from: Evanus on Aug 11, 2019, 11:10:14 PM
That one's a bit of a puzzle, yeah. Still, it seems legit. Doubt someone would go through all this trouble just to troll some people. But you never know :D
You must be new to the internet. ;)
Yeah, a lot of people have gone through the trouble to create false leaks, and unfortunately will continue to do so. :-\
Very true, ha. I'm just desperate for any news!
I think the franchise
is yet being controlled by Emma Watts? Yes?
Someone very enthusiastic about another Ridley Scott Prequel.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 12, 2019, 03:22:37 PM
I think the franchise
is yet being controlled by Emma Watts? Yes?
Someone very enthusiastic about another Ridley Scott Prequel.
Not on her own anymore, no.
Disney Studios sent over Alan Horn and Alan Bergman to "work" with Watts and have her cut most of the projects in development and reportedly streamline to 10 releases per year, half or more going to Hulu or Disney+.
There are rumors Watts is currently looking for a work elsewhere, as well as rumors that Disney has offered her a new deal under the restructured Fox. I guess we'll have to wait and see how that shakes out.
I see, I think it's the direction I outlined, or the entire thing is selved personally, or purchased perhaps although I doubt it.
Does Disney have a habit of selling IPs they're not using?
Not really - they sell companies, but rarely individual IPs. They sold Dogma to the Weinsteins when they got nervous about some of the content.
If they make a new alien film but put it on Hulu or Disney+, will I still be able to buy a DVD version? Will it even be in the cinema?
Cinema likely not, but DVD, probably, maybe?
Dollars spent in physical media dropped 50% in the last 5 years and is still dropping. With the industry leading Samsung being the first to pull out of the player market, I think we have to accept the fact that in the years ahead there will be fewer and fewer releases in physical media form. :-\
Physical media isn't going anywhere but it's definitely going to change shape.
Streaming is all fine and good but you don't really own anything you buy as when the service shuts down, so does your content unless you back it up on an external system. But the discs themselves are cheap and more often than not we're paying for the software on them rather than the price of the disc.
If it's anything to go off of, Marvel's Netflix offerings eventually did make its way to Blu-ray.
Some said the same thing about music physical media a couple decades ago. ;D
I don't know the future, none of us do. But Samsung pays an army to analyze the data and predict the future, and when the #1 Blu-Ray Player Manufacter reads the tea leaves and announced this year they are discontinuing all their blu-ray and 4k players, not that I want it to happen, but that's where my money is betting on.
There's always going to be a place for it. Videogames have been trying it for years but physical media keeps chugging along since once the streaming service is gone, there is no game. Downloadable and steaming services are all fine and good, but if you can't back it up it's just buying a license and you loose the product if the service goes down for any reason.
Like I said, you're paying more for the software and license than the actual disc. The same situation occurs online (sometimes with slightly less pricey options), but not all locations are good for streaming nor are they suitable for downloads. Always online products constantly fail for that reason since the infrastructure to support its business model just isn't there. When people have to go to brick and mortar stores anyways you can always reliably pick up a disk close to the counter or if you pass by an electronics section.
Games as a streaming service are not great where I live. Once we hit 250gb in a month its an additional $10 per 50 gb. I'm not paying to update a game if I'm on the verge of going over. It's not a big issue in the summer hardly, but once winter comes that data goes up.
Yeah, from Music, to Movies, and now to Games, the larger file content often has to wait for surrounding infrastructure to improve in technology and price point before streaming it is practical. I think one day though consoles like the disc-less Xbox One will be the norm.
Yeah, I don't see it going anywhere.
Especially because I buy 4K and Vinyl even today because of the quality, a market for the guaranteed ownership/highest quality/DRM free digital service always exists.
And streaming a videogame itself is nothing more than a brief interest, it's going to crash and burn because the infrastructure to support itself doesn't exist.
https://youtu.be/_74M_asgBAQ
Vinyl is niche market with a limited new catalog though. CDs are pretty much the same.
Gone are the days...
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There was a time when Music MP3s were on fire and the Napster generation said that no one would be able to stream movies. The files were just too big. Now people stream 4k, even 8k.
Games will get there eventually too. It's just a question of when.
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No it really isn't, and every song I want is available as a physical or digital permanent purchase. Anyway.
According to the research, not for a long time. I'm talking a millennia because when considering a game, you're not just streaming a single file as with film, or really anything else. Because an ISP isn't going to change. lol
Definitely a long time. I'm thinking at least 10-20 years. But I do think it's inevitable. :)
PC gaming is pretty much already without anything physical. Steam and all. Only PC game I still use a disc to play is AVP2.
For consoles people still buy physical copies, if that ends they will lose quite a fortune, some people won't pay the same price to just download it, even now they don't, not when they can download things through cheaper ways. So its better for them to keep that option for those that like the boxes, the gaming industry would probably increase microtransations even more if physical copies go to hell.
I'm not sure physical media will go anywhere until they actually start allowing streaming packages that include special features. As far as I'm aware, none of the bonus stuff on the Anthology is available outside of the Blu-ray discs, and there's definitely people who want that stuff.
Disney has already been doing that.
(https://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/styles/large/public/article_images/2017/03/disney-movies-anywhere-features.jpg?itok=nk4Xa3qT)
It also depends on what the market will accept. Surely the market is already drifting toward digital, but there will be stalwarts that lean toward owning physical media. If there is a market for it, it will be there.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 13, 2019, 04:58:58 PM
I'm not sure physical media will go anywhere until they actually start allowing streaming packages that include special features. As far as I'm aware, none of the bonus stuff on the Anthology is available outside of the Blu-ray discs, and there's definitely people who want that stuff.
I have the Anthology on ITunes and the extras are on there. I can't say that's the case everywhere else though?
The best we can get out here is 10 gigs per month. The speed is too slow to hardly load a 3 minute youtube video in 20 minutes. If you go past 10 gigs, the signal gets hard throttled to the point of uselessness for the remainder of the month. It's going to be this way for the foreseeable future.
And you wonder why I'm a physical media man.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 13, 2019, 09:21:22 PM
The best we can get out here is 10 gigs per month. The speed is too slow to hardly load a 3 minute youtube video in 20 minutes. If you go past 10 gigs, the signal gets hard throttled to the point of uselessness for the remainder of the month. It's going to be this way for the foreseeable future.
And you wonder why I'm a physical media man.
I finally found him. The guy with internet worse than mine.
Hellfire, we didn't even move on from dial-up around here until about 5 years ago.
We do get a grace period though. From about 2am to 7am we get slightly faster internet, but even that is limited to 50 gigs per month. It's useless of course, because who wants to be up at 2am just to use the internet?
Disney huh...
I wonder if they can find somebody to do what they did to Star Wars to Alien.
Who can they find to switch around a bunch of concept art and sequences and references to Alien?
They can call it, the prometheus awakens.
I figure it's not what you meant, but if Alien or Predator got an entry that was Star Wars levels of success that's more than worth it financially. Between Star Wars and Marvel, Disney's acquisitions have more than made up for the cost of purchasing them.
Maybe we can get the Alien into Disney parks outside the Movie ride. Buzz Lightyear and Sitch's escape could definitely be improved with an Alien or Predator coat of paint.
Didn't SOLO cost Disney a cool 100 million?
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 14, 2019, 01:52:45 AM
Didn't SOLO cost Disney a cool 100 million?
I sure hope so.
Pretty sure it made its budget back, but not its advertising cost.
I actually liked it alright. I liked both standalones better than numbered series.
Only Rogue One was ok so far for me.
I've always enjoyed SW but not to the levels that some people do.
I didn't mind whatever the first one with Rey was called, Liked Rogue One quite a bit, the 2nd one with Rey was too disjointed and didn't utilize my man Luke enough, and Solo I liked for what it was.
I'd give rogue an 8, Solo a 7.5, Rey 1 a 7 (its the same movie as ANH), and Rey 2 a 6.5.
I realize Rey 2 was disappointing but it nowhere near as bad a movie as people make it out to be.
I thought Solo was very fun. But mostly, I really hope they keep John Powell on board since he did a fantastic job with the score.
Anyway, this is off topic.. uh, let's hope Disney will make an official announcement for Alien soon. :) They said they're going to keep making movies, so I wonder how long it'll take.
I liked Giachinno's Rogue One soundtrack better. Powell's was okay, but Giachinno's original stuff was much better. Better than TFA too.
Oh, I have to disagree there. Giacchino's score felt like he was trying to impersonate Williams really hard, kinda fell flat for me. Powell managed to blend his style with Williams' style flawlessly. For me TFA is better than both, although Solo comes close. Overall I think Powell is a much better fit for Star Wars than Giacchino.
Giacchino's worst moment is the main Rogue One theme itself. It's so cheesy, so Battle Beyond the Stars-esque. I was kind of taken aback by it. (Plus, it's almost certainly a lift from the score of the Hasslehoff masterpiece Starcrash.)
OT
Does this sound legit?
QuoteDisney To Reboot Alien Franchise, Ridley Scott May Produce
The Alien franchise is in a mess. Despite being some of the best science fiction horror films of all-time and featuring an all-time iconic movie monster, the series' mythology has disappeared up its own arse. The rot arguably began way back in 1992's Alien 3, with each subsequent film getting a little worse. Then came Prometheus and Alien: Covenant, which threw in a load of confusing and portentous pseudo-philosophy into the creature's origin story. Audiences were nonplussed, resulting in Covenant flopping and the franchise being on ice ever since.
Now, Disney having purchased the Alien IP as part of their merger with Fox, plans to perform an Alien resurrection. We're hearing from our sources – the same ones who revealed that an Aladdin sequel was happening, which was confirmed this week – that they're poised to reboot several high profile franchises that they acquired in the Fox deal, with Alien being the biggest.
So, what could this new version of the property consist of? Well, the obvious route would be to start off with the basics and do a loose remake of 1979's Alien. Thing is, that film is such a classic and its excellent production design and practical effects mean it hasn't aged poorly. Perhaps the best thing to do then might be to pull the same trick that Blumhouse did with Halloween and make a sequel to the first film that discounts everything that followed.
It's a tactic that lets Disney claim they're respecting the history of the franchise while giving them a blank sheet to go forward with. Plus, they'd still have Ellen Ripley floating around in cryosleep somewhere in-universe.
One thing we've also heard is that Ridley Scott may oversee the reboot as a producer. After his last two Alien movies, Disney might have cold feet about giving him much input into the script and plotting, but Scott's a master of production design and atmosphere. We also know that Disney isn't planning to sand the edges off the franchise, with CEO Bob Iger committed to maintaining an R-rating.
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/disney-reboot-alien-franchise-ridley-scott-produce/
Definitely sounds like something I'll be taking with a pinch of salt.
Yup. Unless something of such magnitude is reported by sources like The Hollywood Reporter, Deadline or Variety; the pinch of salt is key :laugh:
I doubt Ridley would want to be involved in an Alien reboot. If he can't finish David's trilogy he will be mad for a while.
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Now, Disney having purchased the Alien IP as part of their merger with Fox, plans to perform an Alien resurrection.
That bastard. Don't you dare pull that word again.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 14, 2019, 04:06:45 PM
Definitely sounds like something I'll be taking with a pinch of salt.
I'd say a single solitary grain is more like it.
Well I certainly hope that's fake because it sounds like rubbish.
And yeah, I doubt Ridley would want to be involved unless they do something with the prequels first.
They've been dropping a lot of fake scoops to do with Crisis on Infinite Earths lately so I'd be very dubious.
Err, yeah, the whole reboot sounds on the money to me unfortunately, underline money.
I don't think Disnox wants a to make a profitable film. They want to make a profitable franchise. And building off the threads of Alien3, Alien Resurrection or Alien Covenant won't be the path to do it. A young starlet and a new direction likely will.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 14, 2019, 04:20:11 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 14, 2019, 04:06:45 PM
Definitely sounds like something I'll be taking with a pinch of salt.
I'd say a single solitary grain is more like it.
Are you saying you mostly believe it but want to reserve the possibility of it being bullshit?
I mean at the end of the day a reboot might be needed, but near as I can tell there's literally only one site covering this and the story broke 9 hours ago at the time of posting. You'd think this would be covered by major outlets already so it's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical over this.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 14, 2019, 07:35:24 PM
Err, yeah, the whole reboot sounds on the money to me unfortunately, underline money.
I don't think Disnox wants a to make a profitable film. They want to make a profitable franchise. And building off the threads of Alien3, Alien Resurrection or Alien Covenant won't be the path to do it. A young starlet and a new direction likely will.
This is 100 percent what is going to happen.
Cvalda is probably tore up from the floor up.
Well, I agree in one thing. If you want to make this franchise profitable, the new generations are your main target audience. Of course, and although I have no problems with that, this makes an R rating movie unlikely.
Everything is fair game to retcon except Alien and Aliens IMO. That's the core.
I don't think you'd even need to reboot wholesale with the franchise, jumping to a different character works since Ripley's story is over by the end of Aliens. If you just consider Alien to Aliens it's workable since you can always have a clutch of eggs pop up in another spot.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 14, 2019, 08:34:01 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 14, 2019, 04:20:11 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 14, 2019, 04:06:45 PM
Definitely sounds like something I'll be taking with a pinch of salt.
I'd say a single solitary grain is more like it.
Are you saying you mostly believe it but want to reserve the possibility of it being bullshit?
I'm saying that there's a high likelihood that it's complete, total and even absolute bullsh*te.
If they reboot it they will go their own way.
Disney would see Alien and be like muddaf**kas, think of it with todays SFX and budgets, it'd be legit 1000x more scary.
The same with Aliens.
They will just restart the whole franchise.
Honestly if you took out the chestbursting sequence in Alien and dropped a couple of fbombs out of Aliens..............would they be rated r today?
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Aug 15, 2019, 01:00:06 AM
I don't think you'd even need to reboot wholesale with the franchise, jumping to a different character works since Ripley's story is over by the end of Aliens. If you just consider Alien to Aliens it's workable since you can always have a clutch of eggs pop up in another spot.
You really believe, in your heart of hearts that this is what people will come out in droves to see?
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 15, 2019, 01:16:58 AM
If they reboot it they will go their own way.
Disney would see Alien and be like muddaf**kas, think of it with todays SFX and budgets, it'd be legit 1000x more scary.
I think one of the things that makes Alien as scary as it is, is that it's all real and tangible. The space jockey set is real, the alien is an actual guy on screen. There's no cgi, no large scale events, it's all very intimate and real.
I think it was one of those films that was made at exactly the right time, and with exactly the right people and technology.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 15, 2019, 01:27:08 AM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Aug 15, 2019, 01:00:06 AM
I don't think you'd even need to reboot wholesale with the franchise, jumping to a different character works since Ripley's story is over by the end of Aliens. If you just consider Alien to Aliens it's workable since you can always have a clutch of eggs pop up in another spot.
You really believe, in your heart of hearts that this is what people will come out in droves to see?
I don't think people will come out in droves for an Alien movie ever again.
They could still go with practical effects for the Alien, but all the space shots and shit could be cgi.
Full ninja alien hopping around would be lame, even with big budget disney money.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 15, 2019, 01:28:41 AMI don't think people will come out in droves for an Alien movie ever again.
Maybe if Cameron directed a sequel chock full of nostalgia from Aliens...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2019, 02:41:03 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 15, 2019, 01:28:41 AMI don't think people will come out in droves for an Alien movie ever again.
Maybe if Cameron directed a sequel chock full of nostalgia from Aliens...
It's possible. Cameron is a crowd pleaser, so his name carries more weight. But I think his best days are behind him.
Even the Aliens nostalgia might not be enough, there would be some alien nerds wearing Newt/Hicks shirts but the average moviegoers are too busy watching generic movies. Alien/Predator are just not there anymore. We are just a bunch of outcasts in the movie business for Disney.
Wait until the series gets merely used as a platform to spread whatever nonsense the ones in charge get off to. And when that don't perform the way they want its over.
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Mr. H gave his assessment.
In short: His sources claim nothing is currently happening with the franchise at all, so he thinks this is just made-up clickbait.
A reboot is inevitable.
A couple of years sitting on by Disney and none of the current people will want to do a sequel to covenant.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and casuals will remember the first two movies fondly if they are shown in full reboot mode.
I think there is still a market and there is still money to be had.
The downside is now that Disney has the franchise there won't be any more covenant style sequels.................if that is your thing.
I think Covenant wrapped up the prequels quite well.
David eliminated all loose ends, destroyed the engineers, created the Alien, escaped purgatory, has his own ship complete with materials necessary to colonize his own world. He won and got everything. He's master of his own destiny, escaping into the vastness of space to commit unknown horrors.
I can live with that ending.
I think the same. There is almost no story to tell, or at least a story that deserves to be told in movie form. They already threw all the meat on the grill with the prequels. The only thing left is wasted potential, because there are interesting ideas in the prequel series, but maybe it's time to move on. It's better than watch the franchise die anyway :P
I don't agree, you've got the fall of David- the A.I's hubris, the Engineer's last people's retribution and the real Space Jockey to explore if you choose.
If you don't finish the prequel series with a certified good entry, it's a permanent damaged dead end mark upon the franchise.
And a wasted opportunity.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 15, 2019, 01:37:36 AM
They could still go with practical effects for the Alien, but all the space shots and shit could be cgi.
Full ninja alien hopping around would be lame, even with big budget disney money.
I always thought them Aliens in the second film hopping around on walls and over consoles looked really cool.
They do for practical effects, but you know they'd go cgi and that movement still doesn't look good.
Quote from: David's Creation on Aug 15, 2019, 03:12:39 AM
Mr. H gave his assessment.
In short: His sources claim nothing is currently happening with the franchise at all, so he thinks this is just made-up clickbait.
I would think it's probably too early for something to be happening.
I didn't watch the video but we all have no doubt Alien was discussed right and what they hope to do? I don't think Alan Horn and Alan Bergman went over to Watts at Disnox, cut most of the projects in development and didn't discuss
all the franchise properties and potential directions if any. Meaning they didn't discuss Planet of the Apes and Avatar and then left and took the next plane out of there.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 15, 2019, 05:20:43 AM
I don't agree, you've got the fall of David- the A.I's hubris, the Engineer's last people's retribution and the real Space Jockey to explore if you choose.
If you don't finish the prequel series with a certified good entry, it's a permanent damaged dead end mark upon the franchise.
And a wasted opportunity.
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Well the prequels have been a wasted opportunity all along. That would just keep the pattern.
The series is full of entries with dead ends that never got a sequel.
No it isn't. And to a Studio such as Disney only the film Anthology is relevant and Alien, Aliens and Alien³ is a complete story, Alien Resurrection is self contained.
And for new popular entries? Isolation is also self-contained, as is The Cold Forge and the OG AVP comic.
The Prequel series is the only one to explicitly end on an unfinished note, as a Trilogy often does.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 15, 2019, 04:35:34 AM
I think Covenant wrapped up the prequels quite well.
David eliminated all loose ends, destroyed the engineers, created the Alien, escaped purgatory, has his own ship complete with materials necessary to colonize his own world. He won and got everything. He's master of his own destiny, escaping into the vastness of space to commit unknown horrors.
I can live with that ending.
I have to disagree. Ending the prequels where it left off is so chock full of open ends, it serves to hurt the franchise in some ways. People need a clearer understanding of the link between the prequels and the original franchise. If you watch the film in consecutive order, then you will just be waiting for that storyline to return.
The obvious next chapter is David trying to perfect the creature only to have them turn on him.
I think there may be a way to tell that story with some sort of reboot, but I also wouldnt put it past disney to just ignore it at this point.
This is just another reason why a series is best suited to fix this franchise. If Disney puts the money up the way they have been for a good Alien series, there are lots of avenues to explore.
Dat's why the reboot coming, so they never have to answer that crazy shizz.
I'm happy if they do a sequel to follow on from Covenant or Alien 3 but if they reboot it then I am done with this franchise. I'll just take the first three films and ignore anything to do with them has ever happened since.
Yeah, agreed honestly, apart from TCF, Isolation, David's Drawings and the BTS stuff.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 15, 2019, 09:25:49 PM
Yeah, agreed honestly, apart from TCF, Isolation, David's Drawings and the BTS stuff.
Don't be surprised if all of that ends up in the dustbin of apocrypha just like the old Star Wars EU did.
You're probably right, but I hope you're wrong.
Disnox Is Inevitable
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Quote from: irn on Aug 15, 2019, 09:03:32 PM
I'm happy if they do a sequel to follow on from Covenant or Alien 3 but if they reboot it then I am done with this franchise. I'll just take the first three films and ignore anything to do with them has ever happened since.
I feel the same, honestly. Except I'll still embrace Prom/Covvie, for the most part. God, I'm sick of all this waiting.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 15, 2019, 09:55:40 PM
You're probably right, but I hope you're wrong.
Just play the RPG, Disney can't dictate to you in
Spoiler
Imagination Land.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 15, 2019, 10:11:48 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 15, 2019, 09:55:40 PM
You're probably right, but I hope you're wrong.
Just play the RPG, Disney can't dictate to you in Spoiler
Imagination Land.
For now...
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2019, 09:29:26 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 15, 2019, 09:25:49 PM
Yeah, agreed honestly, apart from TCF, Isolation, David's Drawings and the BTS stuff.
Don't be surprised if all of that ends up in the dustbin of apocrypha just like the old Star Wars EU did.
David's Drawings is directly connected to a film, so prolly not.
The other stuff is fair game.
Them prequels, they are dead mahn. Truly...Dead.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 15, 2019, 11:39:41 PM
Them prequels, they are dead mahn. Truly...Dead.
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I do not believe it, I will not!
It requires more than Ridley Scott and a broken script to create a good film
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And under Disney hopefully we'll recieve a competent one, if not a good one. Finishing the story of David's hubris, addressing the nature of the Alien's creation, revealing the real Space Jockey creator of the Engineer race and with a retrotech visual style.
I think Disney will put the need to make money over the need to finish a story that's not exactly satisfying a good portion of the customer base.
It's more important a franchise's got value long term to the owner than it is to create immediate profit, if the owner company is smart- you don't abandon part of the film series unfinished.
Lets hope they do something with it or better, sell it. And not just sit idle on the license to prevent anybody else doing something with it and giving them competition in the cinema.
Quote from: irn on Aug 15, 2019, 09:03:32 PM
I'm happy if they do a sequel to follow on from Covenant or Alien 3 but if they reboot it then I am done with this franchise. I'll just take the first three films and ignore anything to do with them has ever happened since.
This is essentially what I've been doing in my crazy head canon already.
I'll just start a new head canon with the new rebooted series.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 15, 2019, 05:20:43 AM
I don't agree, you've got the fall of David- the A.I's hubris, the Engineer's last people's retribution and the real Space Jockey to explore if you choose.
If you don't finish the prequel series with a certified good entry, it's a permanent damaged dead end mark upon the franchise.
And a wasted opportunity.
If the original Space Jockey is an Engineer, I would like it to be a relatable character, that's right. I don't know if that can be achieved, but somehow I want to feel something when I see it. If not, the revelation that such being is not an Engineer at all.
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 15, 2019, 03:19:58 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 15, 2019, 04:35:34 AM
I think Covenant wrapped up the prequels quite well.
David eliminated all loose ends, destroyed the engineers, created the Alien, escaped purgatory, has his own ship complete with materials necessary to colonize his own world. He won and got everything. He's master of his own destiny, escaping into the vastness of space to commit unknown horrors.
I can live with that ending.
I have to disagree. Ending the prequels where it left off is so chock full of open ends, it serves to hurt the franchise in some ways. People need a clearer understanding of the link between the prequels and the original franchise. If you watch the film in consecutive order, then you will just be waiting for that storyline to return.
The obvious next chapter is David trying to perfect the creature only to have them turn on him.
I think there may be a way to tell that story with some sort of reboot, but I also wouldnt put it past disney to just ignore it at this point.
This is just another reason why a series is best suited to fix this franchise. If Disney puts the money up the way they have been for a good Alien series, there are lots of avenues to explore.
While I believe (like many others) that Prometheus was a mess, at the same time is the movie that left the door open to many possibilities. Covenant has a clear path as Huggs has pointed out. When David meets his creator in that elegant white room, that is David's Valhalla. He is an individual worthy of being with his creator, but at the same time he concludes that such creator is far from being superior. I'd say there is a reference of rivalry among real-life academics. It's almost like the disagreement between Friedrich Nietzsche (David) and Richard Wagner (Weyland). The first gentleman is a philosopher and above all a rational individual, and the other gentleman...while a musical genius...is a more spiritual man (See Nietzsche contra Wagner) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche_contra_Wagner). But from that beginning, David knows that God is dead. His creator will die someday, and David is going to be free like Nietzsche's Übermensch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch). But a lot of that has already been said in my opinion, and even if Ridley/FOX/Disney makes a solid film/TV series about artificial intelligence trying to transcend, and overcome its creators, just to have a tragic but ironic ending...that doesn't make such idea profitable. Just see Blade Runner 2049. Sometimes profitability doesn't depend on quality, I'm afraid.
Even so I would like to see a conclusion, it's just that I see it as something it unlikely right now *sigh* :-\
Alien Covenant didn't do that well especially domestically, nor was the reception very positive. If Disney didn't purchase Fox I still don't think they'd continue the prequel trilogy as is to be honest. Like the failed planned Terminator Genisys trilogy, the logical business decision is to reassess and repackage unfortunately.
It's not unfortunately.
It's a great day where the alien series gets a chance to be more logical.
They could even KEEP many of the same ideas and retell them in a more convincing way.
Terminator Genesis is the creation of a nobody, amongst a franchise of attempted reboot, after attempted reboot, after attempted reboot it. Predator's resting after a detour, but Ridley Scott's a big name, and the Prequel series is part of the film Anthology overall- Disney is wise enough I hope to not leave a dead end.
And judging by the reception to the Anniversary video, people eager to see it exist.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 16, 2019, 03:26:42 AM
It's not unfortunately.
Unfortunately for the fans who want to see it continue status quo, I mean.
I'm not a big fan of Covenant personally, but I'm just trying to analyze it all objectively without having a horse in the race.
I just got a horse in the "no eternal cliffhanger please" race, just give Ridley Scott the dignity of finishing even if it isn't under the exact circumstances desired, even if it's supervised by Disney.
As much as I absolutely hate the direction they went by introducing the Engineers presumably as the Space Jockeys, I'd still like them to finish off that story rather than leave it.
As I said before, I honestly don't think I'd care if they never finish Ridley's prequel series. Both individually and collectively, the two films feel like the messy result of a confused, directionless development process - you can really tell from watching them that the goalposts kept moving throughout both productions, to the detriment of the final product, and I'm not convinced anyone has any real idea where it's supposed to be going next. I don't enjoy either movie and at this point I couldn't really care less what David gets up to down the line.
That said, I get that people who are invested would be understandably gutted that they might not get closure.
As for a potential reboot/remake, to be honest, if it looks decent from the trailers, I'd go see it. The series hasn't produced a really good film in decades, so at this point I don't see what harm attempting a fresh start can do. That said, if they're gonna hit the reboot button, I'd prefer them to simply cut their losses and start from scratch as opposed to messing about keeping some of the films and not others.
Ideally, I'd rather they just did some new, unconnected Alien stories set in the same universe.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 16, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
As I said before, I honestly don't think I'd care if they never finish Ridley's prequel series. Both individually and collectively, the two films feel like the messy result of a confused, directionless development process - you can really tell from watching them that the goalposts kept moving throughout both productions, to the detriment of the final product, and I'm not convinced anyone has any real idea where it's supposed to be going next. I don't enjoy either movie and at this point I couldn't really care less what David gets up to down the line.
I agree. We don't
really know what happened during the production process but it does seem like there was no clear and coherent idea of where it was going. Now that's okay with a stand alone film but by all accounts they had a prequel series in mind. If you're doing a trilogy, and especially one with huge, lofty ideas like this one has, then you really need to have the overarching story nailed down. I don't know if this is down to the way the studios greenlight films. Like if it's more "hey we should make a new Alien film" rather than "hey I've got a great idea for a new Alien film, we should make it."
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 16, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
Ideally, I'd rather they just did some new, unconnected Alien stories set in the same universe.
Absolutely this!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 16, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
Ideally, I'd rather they just did some new, unconnected Alien stories set in the same universe.
And before "but Prometheus" comments - it not having Aliens in wasn't Prometheus' problem.
Quote from: irn on Aug 16, 2019, 10:36:29 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 16, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
Ideally, I'd rather they just did some new, unconnected Alien stories set in the same universe.
Absolutely this!
Exactly.
#teamreboot
The time of crazy ass ideas ARE OVER, let the new era begin.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 16, 2019, 10:41:26 AMAnd before "but Prometheus" comments - it not having Aliens in wasn't Prometheus' problem.
Prometheus was really promising on paper, the kind of stand-alone story I wouldn't mind seeing. What undid it for me was the fact it couldn't decide if it was a direct
Alien prequel or a stand-alone movie or a franchise starter or a piece of intelligent, thought-provoking art or a dumb B-movie.
Indeed, you're totally right.
But I want my Anthology series of unconnected stories after David's story is finished, it isn't over yet.
It'd be such a shame if they left it unfinished. I get that a lot of people don't like the prequels, but I feel like they should just try one last time. I'm sure they can find a satisfying story to tell while respecting the previous entries.
I wholeheartedly agree. If anyone can manage it, it's a master of micromanaging- it's Disney.
Even if the management of Star Wars isn't the greatest, on the other end of the spectrum Marvel is top dog of cinema now. Hopefully Alien's success is closer to one than the other.
Just hoping that Alien doesn't have to be as interconnected as Marvel is. What works miraculously in Marvel's case is the wrong approach here. A Covenant sequel should be next, and then whatever comes after, I want to see it stand on its own two feet and function as a sort of one-off project.
I agree actually but I honestly don't know if we live in a time where Disney won't manage, interconnect and plan out everything anymore.
Assuming that the Kenobi rumor is true, what if they continued David's story as a Hulu series? There is a demand for it so there is an existing audience and a built-in existing customer base with Hulu. Sure it wouldn't be on the big screen but it's more content than we'd otherwise get and it'd have longer to get inside David's head than the prior two movies did.
Sure, I'd happily enjoy that if it's correctly Directed and especially written and eventually it's packaged onto a release I'm able to own.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 16, 2019, 11:04:14 AM
#teamreboot
The time of crazy ass ideas ARE OVER, let the new era begin.
Man, that's a.... crazy ass idea! ;)
Quote from: Evanus on Aug 16, 2019, 01:08:32 PM
It'd be such a shame if they left it unfinished. I get that a lot of people don't like the prequels, but I feel like they should just try one last time. I'm sure they can find a satisfying story to tell while respecting the previous entries.
This.
Neill Blomkamp is off RoboCop to direct a horror/thriller. Interesting timing.
Also...A potential end. Forgive me. I'm bored lol.
Spoiler
David recalls the location of LV-426 from ship data on Planet 4. He wants another source of the black goo. As he navigates above the planet, prior damage forces an emergency landing on the planet. A support beam rams through his face during the opening credits. Only a few of the colonists survive. Their cryotubes respond to a directive concerning the crash and cycle open.
The facehuggers escape David's guts and hide out to finish growing. Our reluctant female lead searches for Daniels, but her cryotube is also destroyed. She discovers David, and hooks up a data pad to his leads. His AI has survived. Now he is stuck in an iPad 79X, the first model to return the 3.5mm headphone jack in generations. David still desires to get to the black goo, and hopes to upload himself to the Derelicts systems, and begins to manipulate the survivors toward this goal, with the promise of posting the ship back to Earth. A lava flow that is slowly covering the Covenant expedites this process. Unfortunately, the facehuggers subdue two survivors. Now David's triumph becomes his greatest threat, an ironic twists that he realizes mirrors his own turn on humanity. His creations may be his demise.
Eventually the aliens start picking off the crew. The survivors gather supplies, don spacesuits, and begin to traverse the harsh terrain of LV-426. One by one, they are picked off in the maelstrom. Finally, a few of them reach the derelict and enter. David discovers that the long dead pilot is in fact a superior species to the Engineers. He remarks the engineers may worship the Space Jockeys and modeled their craft and equipment (ie suits) after them. He only had navigation and ship data available to him, not the history of the species. He notices the chestburster hole. Panic sets in. He starts to bleat about his symphony, his work. It's his creation. No one could be as smart as him.
David tries to get hooked to the ship's computer, but our heroes wants to investigate the hole, desperate for a weapon to stop the creatures. David implores her to hook him up first, but she can't trust him fter his emotional outburst. He created these monsters chasing them and he brought them to this hellish world. With no way to go down into the hole, she and the other survivor explore the ship.
As they explore, they come across long dead xenos scattered about a long dormant hive entrance. Our hero remarks they look more advanced than David's primitive beasts. His anger and mania intensifies. He must crush this lowly human.
In the hold, one of David's xenos examines the eggs, it's not so primitive brain working out the basic connection, accessing it's genetic memory.
The trio find an armory, but only one weapon has any charge left. One of the xenos corners them. They fire a shot. It strikes a canister, exploding it. The xeno ruptures, acid spraying and killing the other survivor. The blood melts through the deck, disabling the engine. Only the female and David/Ipad79 remain. The weapon is useless. Now she is willing to plug David in, hoping the cryopod can seal her away from the creature. As David uploads she has second thoughts and yanks the datapad out. Too late.
David immediately access everything stored on the vessel about the xeno. It's displayed on a hologram. Our survivor laughs at David and mocks his failure. She points out that he merely worked within the parameters of someone else's genius, like a child fingerpainting on a still wet Picasso. Now he has trapped them there to die and his own arrogance led to this moment. That is the proof that he is his as human as anyone else, the final insult. He materializes into hologram form, rage twisting his features as he reaches for her neck. She laughs in his face. He is powerless to harm her. She tells him the power will run out and he can wallow in his misery alone for the next few hundred years.
The xeno, with a new objective, moves slower, stealthily. No hissing, no growling, just methodical. David doesn't say a word. It pounces on her from behind. She doesn't bother to resist. It drags her in into the hole, a look of victorious defiance on her face as she locks eyes with David. He will die here.
Hours later David notices something crawling from the hole. Biomechanical perfection stands before him. It has fresh acid blood from the other beast on its carapace. David marvels at it. His narcissism can't accept he was wrong. He can improve on this. He just needs material. Michaelangelo didn't create the stone used to craft his namesake afterall. Going back into the computer, David opens the communication array. It's damaged. An emergency beacon is still functional though. Sadly, it can only broadcast a warning to engineer vessels. "Oh well. Curiosity killed the cat.". The beacon powers on.
Roll credits. David destroyed by his arrogance, left in solitude to die, a bridge to Alien achieved by activation of the beacon. Derelict age restored, Alien origins still possibly ancient. Xeno starves to death in the bowels of the Derelict.
I think if Disney gives into Ridley, and want to do mainstream 'Alien' films that will surely give them the holy $$$, then they should do an HBO like mini-series a la five-episode Chernobyl to finish David's arc for Hulu/Disney+, and move on. With that, they do X or Y with the main franchise theatrically, and with the prequels, the mini-series it ties the plot threads from Prometheus and Covenant and gives us a satisfactory conclusion.
I think your idea is ideal, if a Theatrical film isn't an option.
Get past Ridley. His time is like that of the dinosaur.
IT'S OVER.
It's not over yet, but almost, and that's the problem!
The problem is this guy going to make a finale and ask as many questions as he answers.
Under Disney? I doubt it. Unless it intentionally establishes one new aspect, for set-up of their cinematic universe. A workaround for AR.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 16, 2019, 05:04:03 PM
Under Disney? I doubt it. Unless it intentionally establishes one new aspect, for set-up of their cinematic universe. A workaround for AR.
AR is the easiest to flat out ignore anyway, it doesn't need a workaround.
True enough.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 16, 2019, 05:04:03 PM
Under Disney? I doubt it. Unless it intentionally establishes one new aspect, for set-up of their cinematic universe.
Exactly.
Unfortunately the diminishing returns from Prometheus to Covenant is why I don't think we'll see a third prequel. I'd probably prefer a soft reboot 8-12 episode show to stream myself. Ultimately I think a reboot is inevitable but whether it's going to be a hard reboot or soft is up in the air.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 16, 2019, 04:46:27 PM
The problem is this guy going to make a finale and ask as many questions as he answers.
Embrace it.
There is going to be nothing to embrace because there isn't going to be a third prequel.
You gotta make money mang. Law of diminishing returns.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 16, 2019, 11:55:26 PM
There is going to be nothing to embrace because there isn't going to be a third prequel.
Preach.
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Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 16, 2019, 11:55:26 PM
There is going to be nothing to embrace because there isn't going to be a third prequel.
You gotta make money mang. Law of diminishing returns.
They're used to makin' them billyerns now.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 16, 2019, 11:55:26 PM
There is going to be nothing to embrace because there isn't going to be a third prequel.
You gotta make money mang. Law of diminishing returns.
They made money.
Indeed- and again, to create profit you create value first and foremost, a complete Prequel Trilogy with the last entry being genuinely good and the original Alien Trilogy (+Resurrection) together is more valuable than a complete reboot, and it's an opportunity to set up the inevitable soft reboot. The Prequel series ending is imminent, the form though is all that's up for debate, I guarantee it.
Maybe they will let those school kids do the third one?
Quote from: SM on Aug 17, 2019, 01:27:41 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 16, 2019, 11:55:26 PM
There is going to be nothing to embrace because there isn't going to be a third prequel.
You gotta make money mang. Law of diminishing returns.
They made money.
Prometheus did well, but it's quite possible that Covenant didn't break even at the box office. Hard to say for sure without knowing the exact marketing budget but it's likely.
However, former Fox chairperson and CEO, Stacey Snider did say that Covenant would be profitable for the company so it probably did ok on home release, rentals, streaming, broadcasting etc. Only thing is, sequels are usually commissioned on it's predecessors box office performance alone which does not bode too well for a Covenant sequel.
Quote from: SM on Aug 17, 2019, 01:27:41 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 16, 2019, 11:55:26 PM
There is going to be nothing to embrace because there isn't going to be a third prequel.
You gotta make money mang. Law of diminishing returns.
They made money.
They lost money with Alien Covenant, at least theatrically.
With a 97 Million budget, total ticket sales for Alien Covenant was 241 Million.
With the studio getting the most return from 74M ticket sales domestically (55 cents of every dollar) as well as the studio getting the least return from 45M ticket sales in China (25 cents of every dollar) and the percentage of rest of the countries fall in between, yeah, you do math and money was lost once you add any promotional dollars to the budget.
Now maybe it finally crept into the black after home video sales, I don't know, but unfortunately for the prequel fans I really doubt Disnox is going to see the downwards trend from Prometheus to Covenant and say...
yeah, we want more of that. On a personal note, I'm ready to be finished with the prequels to be honest. Prometheus I like to think as standalone and Covenant I just don't think about. It's time to get back to actual Alien movies I think. :)
Profit versus adequate profit.
I may be fuzzy on the details, but Disney infinity was profitable, but it wasn't profitable enough for investors.
Prometheus did well because some people were still expecting an alien movie, it was being directed by the original director, and there hadn't been an alien movie since 1997.
Once the newness wore off and people realized the direction Scott was going, covenant didn't have an enormous chance. That and it sucked, and word of mouth hurt it. Either way, there's not going to be enough attention and money to make a third prequel worth it to the studio. We've already discussed how Scott might have to make the third movie for even less money if he even gets to do it.
Maybe the next film only makes $130mil total. It's a lose-lose probability, and I don't see the studio taking that risk. If they do, they're crazy and I'll love them for it. But that's not what's going to happen.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 17, 2019, 06:55:54 PM
Prometheus did well because some people were still expecting an alien movie
Actually I think it's the opposite. I knew several casual movie goers that had no idea it was connected to Alien. I'm talking casual moviegoers that don't read entertainment news. The trailers certainly didn't indicate as such to casual viewers, but rather a beautifully shot new science fiction horror film. And the trailer was glorious! :)
Indeed, pity about the film itself.
That's why I said some people.
They should give a finale to David's story whether it be a mini-series or one last movie. I'd like Ridley to be at the helm one last time for it too.
But then they should honestly do a "reboot" and really there doesn't even need to be an actual reboot. Its so easy to craft a story in the ALIEN universe that doesn't conflict with the movies.
Just have a crew of people find an alien vessel carrying eggs on some distant planet, boom setup. Just run it differently than ALIEN.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Aug 17, 2019, 01:28:22 AM
Indeed- and again, to create profit you create value first and foremost, a complete Prequel Trilogy with the last entry being genuinely good and the original Alien Trilogy (+Resurrection) together is more valuable than a complete reboot, and it's an opportunity to set up the inevitable soft reboot. The Prequel series ending is imminent, the form though is all that's up for debate, I guarantee it.
Covenant sucked a big one at the box office.
Prometheus made money, covenant was in the red. When one of two movies you make in a trilogy doesn't make its money back, and then is bought by a juggernaut who only makes hits or else projects get canceled...
There isn't going to be a third prequel.
See the standalone SW movies for a comparison. Solo flopped. Disney killed EVERY SW standalone movie, despite them only having the faintest of story connections. Meanwhile, Covenant is a DIRECT sequel to Prometheus.
I'm shaking the crystal ball and asking it about a third prequels.
I can't lie to you about your chances, but you have my sympathies.
I'm not the biggest fan of Covenant, but I appreciate it enough, and certainly appreciate Ridley Scott enough (as the first director in the series) to hope that he gets a chance to finish his film series. I'm not going to call it a trilogy because I don't think that is all he had in mind.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 18, 2019, 08:38:28 PM
I can't lie to you about your chances, but you have my sympathies.
She is pulling the plug on you now Ash.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 18, 2019, 08:43:17 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 18, 2019, 08:38:28 PM
I can't lie to you about your chances, but you have my sympathies.
She is pulling the plug now Ash.
And here comes Parker with his flame-thrower.
Potentially losing millions to give unnecessary closure to a select amount of one particular fan base doesn't sound like a good financial decision.
They'll shelve it all for the foreseeable future, and approach it with fresh ideas down the road.
You're incorrect. As a said, the job is creating value. If receiving the most money over time's the goal, a final Prequel is inevitable.
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Lmao yes.
:P
Ridley ain't getting any younger.
Quote from: Evanus on Aug 19, 2019, 12:31:03 AM
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If that means Disney dies it might be worth it! :D
But really, I hope Fiendishly Inventive is right.. I certainly agree that finishing the prequels is the right step to take.
I'd rather they wait until they've got an idea that's worth some money.
If Awakening would bring in less than Covenant, they might shelve the entire franchise for God knows how long.
There's no guarantee it would bring less than Covenant.
It was released in between Guardians 2 and Pirates 5 for crying out loud.
Release it in October and put colonial marines in it to jerk fans off. I'd be surprised it if it made less than Covenant.
Star Wars had one flop and got other projects pulled.
Alien has never made that kind of money, so I would anticipate even less tolerance.
I would anticipate more tolerance considering the difference in rating, budget, and historical size of fanbase and box office.
Solo was probably a big surprise for Disney, whereas Fox could probably see the potential for less revenue.
I hope it is an apples to oranges comparison, but bottom line is bottom line. SW just has a much larger appeal.
the fact that there is even a #teamprequel infesting the boards
SAD
I'm just hoping for the next entry to not be 10-15 years away. We need a hit.
They should do the proper sequel to Aliens next with Ripley, Hicks and Newt for the big payoff that the masses have been hoping for for 30 years. Then tie it in to another Scott prequel. The prequel series must be completed regardless. It would be unthinkable otherwise.
If you count alien 3, that's 4 movies in a row that have not exactly gone over well with the audience and portions of the fan base. Disney might look at what's not working and then not do that going forward. If they took a risk and it didn't pay off, alien might be left in the mouse hole for God knows how long.
They can worry about the next prequel later, once the audience interest and money are boosted with a more fan and general audience acceptable film.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 19, 2019, 02:10:00 AM
the fact that there is even a #teamprequel infesting the boards
SAD
Completely unacceptable Kimarhi. People are allowed to like the prequels if they wish and it's not on you to insult them or cause division.
I thought he was making a sarcastic trump joke with the "SAD" part, I agree with the people who say the trilogy should be completed, I come on this website everyday hoping that it will be the day we get more news about the 3rd.
You could be in for a long wait. Disney didn't even give us another Tron sequel.
Maybe 'cos the first Tron sequel was a bit shit? And Tron was a bit shit?
Exactly.
Quote from: Dingbat on Aug 19, 2019, 08:24:04 AM
I thought he was making a sarcastic trump joke with the "SAD" part,
If that is the case, I do apologize. But it reads as very antagonistic.
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Quote from: Dingbat on Aug 19, 2019, 08:24:04 AM
I thought he was making a sarcastic trump joke with the "SAD" part,
If that is the case, I do apologize. But it reads as very antagonistic.
C'mon. Very obviously a joke, as was the #team thread.
Of course people can like what they want. The #team thread was only going to be used as a baseline for whichever movie came next to see what people were calling for before its announcement, whenever that was going to be.
I would say look at my old post to see the friendly back and forth me and other forumers used to have............but those post seem to be missing.
Which was why I was very surprised to see those. You upset some folk this morning and I woke up to those reports.
Will take to PM shortly.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 19, 2019, 02:33:43 AM
They should do the proper sequel to Aliens next with Ripley, Hicks and Newt for the big payoff that the masses have been hoping for for 30 years. Then tie it in to another Scott prequel. The prequel series must be completed regardless. It would be unthinkable otherwise.
To all intents and purposes, it
is completed. Any chance to continue Shaw's adventures and see her possibly get the answers to her questions has already unceremoniously died without trace. David 8 will go crazy with genetic abominations in the distant colony and somehow all of that will get wiped out of existence, sure, but I'm not sure watching '
Resident Evil: Alien' is something we need (especially as Scott wasn't even able to make the '
Covenant' shower scene anything other than generic, scare-wise).
And if we never see David 8 having any reason to know about or travel over to LV-426, that's fine with me.
Shower scene (and most of the third act stuff on the Covenant) was sloppy/rushed. David's antics on the planet, however, were an exceptional high point for me.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 19, 2019, 05:31:23 PM
Any chance to continue Shaw's adventures and see her possibly get the answers to her questions has already unceremoniously died without trace.
Oh poor Noomi Rapace. You had our next Sigourney Weaver in the palm of your hands and-
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Everything up until David started his antics at the temple was good, in my opinion.
Once it became an endless trudge of people just sitting around a fire while david goes off to wax philosophical, the movie just went right downhill for me. It's altogether too slow and sloppy, from that point on. The only acorn in the midst of it all was when david was explaining his work to Oram in the Lab.
The movie had potential, but there's a change midway through that it just doesn't recover from.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 19, 2019, 05:35:44 PM
Shower scene (and most of the third act stuff on the Covenant) was sloppy/rushed. David's antics on the planet, however, were an exceptional high point for me.
Yeah, it's one of my biggest problems with the film. If that was done better, with proper suspense and maybe an extra 5-10 minutes, it probably would have been a much better experience as a whole.
They should've taken a cue from Alien 79.
They're herding the creature successfully and in a well lit environment. That's not scary, it's ridiculous.
It didn't work out so well for Dallas. Having the ship lose power which leads to an "I lost it moment" would've been a step in the right direction.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 19, 2019, 05:35:44 PM
Shower scene (and most of the third act stuff on the Covenant) was sloppy/rushed.
Now that made me roll my eyes. Look I'm fan of slasher movies but that doesn't fit in Alien.
"Oh there is an alien on ship and a couple decided to have sex right now, of course they have to die, they broke the horror movie rules. Go punish them Alien"
Even AVPR managed to not pull that slasher movie cliché. It had already enough on it I guess. And that was the sole reason those characters were even there for, they barely had any lines before dying, you could edit them out you wouldn't feel a difference on the movie.
They had no reason to believe there was an Alien on the ship.
Never said those two did.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2019, 12:34:57 AM
Ridley ain't getting any younger.
Fassbender either.
Quote from: razeak on Aug 19, 2019, 01:02:50 AM
Star Wars had one flop and got other projects pulled.
Alien has never made that kind of money, so I would anticipate even less tolerance.
Two different franchises. Comparisons are unnecessary as SW is PG space opera when Alien is R-rated sci-fi horror (or at least supposed to be). Alien will never make as much money as SW.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 19, 2019, 08:44:13 PM
Alien will never make as much money as SW.
That's exactly why I'm worried about the series's future. Might not be up to Disney standards.
I wouldn't go that far. Every franchise has different box office expectations and Disney knows that. What's important is the profit. Besides, Alien movies don't cost as much as SW. We're talking more or less 100 millions.
Quote from: Ingwar on Aug 19, 2019, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: razeak on Aug 19, 2019, 01:02:50 AM
Star Wars had one flop and got other projects pulled.
Alien has never made that kind of money, so I would anticipate even less tolerance.
Two different franchises. Comparisons are unnecessary as SW is PG space opera when Alien is R-rated sci-fi horror (or at least supposed to be). Alien will never make as much money as SW.
Yes, but it still has to make money
theatrically, not lose money.
It's all relative right? Ratings, space opera, scifi horror, they all have no relevance on profit and loss. Just risk assessment. And a poor theatrical performance against production and promotional budget needs correction regardless of genre. Not doing so would be a business dereliction of duty.
But if you want to go smaller franchise use the Terminator Genisys Trilogy that was supposed to be accompanied with a streaming television series and it was all axed after a dissppointing performing film one.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 19, 2019, 08:41:59 PM
Never said those two did.
Then why link two unrelated events?
Theyll make alien pg13 and to try and tap into avatar casuals.
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Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 19, 2019, 08:41:59 PM
Never said those two did.
Then why link two unrelated events?
Because a couple getting killed during/after sex is a cliché on slasher movies. Also the nudity. Audience is aware that the bad guy/monster is on the area, irrelevant characters that had been pretty much ignored until now conveniently start to have sex because that's all why they are there for, if you have sex in a horror movie you have to die. Sure in some slasher movies there is context for that but it still became a trend for the genre in general. And I didn't it had any place on the movie.
The scene felt cheap and unnecessary, plus how rushed the last act happened didn't help it, sure the alien looked good on that shot but then again I expected alien movies to be better than resort to that cliché. Same reason I give a hard time to AVPR's high school clichés.
They're neither ignored nor irrelevant.
They had the least amount of lines. There were the quite forgettable, if not for the sex scene I wouldn't remember they existed. They could be removed and the movie wouldn't change much. Besides that's not the point. Even some more important characters within a slasher movie can fall on that cliché. But it usually goes to the ones with the least screen time.
That'd be Ledward and Ankor.
I'm suprised you remember their names. Least amount of lines or screentime? I guess Ankor was the most irrevelant background one, only realized he was there when he died and now that you mentioned him but I think Ledward had more screentime than the couple, he does takes a while to die but then again I can't say for sure. Besides the movie needed a man and woman for that cliché.
I actually would've liked it better had the security team not been around and the movie focused on the couples actually pulling their own security.
Kind of sorta happens anyways, but taking out the five or six extra characters and focusing more on the couples would've made their deaths less Weirzbowski and Crowe I reckon.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 19, 2019, 05:31:23 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 19, 2019, 02:33:43 AM
They should do the proper sequel to Aliens next with Ripley, Hicks and Newt for the big payoff that the masses have been hoping for for 30 years. Then tie it in to another Scott prequel. The prequel series must be completed regardless. It would be unthinkable otherwise.
To all intents and purposes, it is completed. Any chance to continue Shaw's adventures and see her possibly get the answers to her questions has already unceremoniously died without trace. David 8 will go crazy with genetic abominations in the distant colony and somehow all of that will get wiped out of existence, sure, but I'm not sure watching 'Resident Evil: Alien' is something we need (especially as Scott wasn't even able to make the 'Covenant' shower scene anything other than generic, scare-wise).
And if we never see David 8 having any reason to know about or travel over to LV-426, that's fine with me.
I can imagine the Covenant traveling through space turned into a hive, with all kinds of abominations hanging around, while it's being closely followed by the Derelict.
You mean, the Engineer ship that would become the Derelict.
Yeah. Something like that.
-Windebieste.
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Quote from: Huggs on Aug 19, 2019, 05:42:41 PMEverything up until David started his antics at the temple was good, in my opinion.
Once it became an endless trudge of people just sitting around a fire while david goes off to wax philosophical, the movie just went right downhill for me. It's all together to slow and sloppy, from that point on. The only acorn in the midst of it all was when david was explaining his work to Oram in the Lab.
The movie had potential, but there's a change midway through that it just doesn't recover from.
This is basically exactly how I feel about it. Quite like the start, but once David arrives it really tanks, and that's despite Fassbender's David being the one thing I genuinely loved in the previous movie.
I still find David interesting. For me, it's when the Alien shows up.
Indeed. Of all the problems Covenant has, David is not one of them. He and the Neos are the best.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 20, 2019, 07:49:34 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 19, 2019, 05:42:41 PMEverything up until David started his antics at the temple was good, in my opinion.
Once it became an endless trudge of people just sitting around a fire while david goes off to wax philosophical, the movie just went right downhill for me. It's all together to slow and sloppy, from that point on. The only acorn in the midst of it all was when david was explaining his work to Oram in the Lab.
The movie had potential, but there's a change midway through that it just doesn't recover from.
This is basically exactly how I feel about it. Quite like the start, but once David arrives it really tanks, and that's despite Fassbender's David being the one thing I genuinely loved in the previous movie.
I pretty much agree with this too, unfortunately.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 20, 2019, 03:23:24 AM
I actually would've liked it better had the security team not been around and the movie focused on the couples actually pulling their own security.
Kind of sorta happens anyways, but taking out the five or six extra characters and focusing more on the couples would've made their deaths less Weirzbowski and Crowe I reckon.
Yeah I think at that point of the movie it should have felt more Vasquez and Drake etc..
IMO the movies biggest mistake has been its focus on AI rather than the Alien. I mean...the movie has Alien in the title after all, so why is all the focus being put on what is essentially a robot with daddy issues?
'Cos it's bit more interesting than just a monster running around eating people.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Aug 20, 2019, 12:15:43 PM
IMO the movies biggest mistake has been its focus on AI rather than the Alien. I mean...the movie has Alien in the title after all, so why is all the focus being put on what is essentially a robot with daddy issues?
I dunno, the Alien was so poorly handled in Covenant. The Neomorph shines in comparison.
Quote from: SM on Aug 20, 2019, 12:22:54 PM
'Cos it's bit more interesting than just a monster running around eating people.
Right on the money.
So then is the Xenomorph, as Ridley says, overcooked?
To some extent maybe, but it really just depends on the execution too I'd say.
I'd say execution too. To me the David A.I. component is not a necessity to make things interesting. Actually many might debate it has done the opposite.
I think it helps make things interesting, but.. we also need things to be exciting. And I feel like the way the alien was handled in Covenant wasn't very exciting.
Quote from: SM on Aug 20, 2019, 12:22:54 PM
'Cos it's bit more interesting than just a monster running around eating people.
Then make it so it isn't just a monster running around eating people.
Quote from: Evanus on Aug 20, 2019, 12:56:21 PM
I think it helps make things interesting, but.. we also need things to be exciting. And I feel like the way the alien was handled in Covenant wasn't very exciting.
It felt a bit to much like an animal to me and the people I saw it with
Big Chap hunted dallas down and outmaneuvered him in the vents from God only knows what distance, but the Covenant Alien doesn't even know two human beings are in the room until one of them bangs a pipe on stuff?
I ain't buyin' that.
Not to mention the claw attack. The Covenant Aliens were kinda...stupid.
They also didn't seem to be into anything but killing. No capturing, no attempt at establishing a hive. Just normal monster movie behavior for that gore.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 20, 2019, 05:51:42 PM
They also didn't seem to be into anything but killing. No capturing, no attempt at establishing a hive. Just normal monster movie behavior for that gore.
Which is what diminished it as an Alien in my mind. I can watch any other monster or slasher flick for the gore and the kills, with Alien I look for that
little bit extra that Covenant didn't deliver.
Well said. :)
Quote from: Samhain13 on Aug 20, 2019, 05:51:42 PM
They also didn't seem to be into anything but killing. No capturing, no attempt at establishing a hive. Just normal monster movie behavior for that gore.
Essentially it was a Neomorph disguised as Alien. I imagine the excuse must be that such creation was not ready yet. There is a queen / eggmorphing on the way and the future is biomechanical, etc.
I think that may be giving the script a wee too much credit for being smarter than it really is. :)
Indeed. Feels like fan headcanon, which is okay.
But 10 years playing with the goo and David wasn't able to give his creation the ability to spread its genes? Weak. But then again its quite fitting as David can't do that as well and its the source of his pain.
It would be poetic if David created something that couldn't reproduce no matter how hard he tried, but we're in fanfaction territory now.
Besides I don't think Ridley Scott ever said David created the Neomorph disguised as an Alien. ;D
Don't read it literally. It was a way of saying that they did a mediocre job with the Alien, to the point that there is no improvement compared to the Neomorph. In fact they behave similarly. And yet the Neomorph wins, since black goo motes & egg sacks are more effective than ovomorphs & facehuggers.
Maybe it was just the best simulacrum of the true Alien that David could manage. ;D
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 20, 2019, 07:57:35 PM
Maybe it was just the best simulacrum of the true Alien that David could manage. ;D
Hopefully your reply becomes canon. That or a fresh restart.
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 20, 2019, 07:52:41 PM
Don't read it literally. It was a way of saying that they did a mediocre job with the Alien, to the point that there is no improvement compared to the Neomorph. In fact they behave similarly. And yet the Neomorph wins, since black goo motes & egg sacks are more effective than ovomorphs & facehuggers.
Aliens fare better against bullets. I daresay they'd fare better in space too.
Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2019, 12:37:58 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 20, 2019, 07:52:41 PM
Don't read it literally. It was a way of saying that they did a mediocre job with the Alien, to the point that there is no improvement compared to the Neomorph. In fact they behave similarly. And yet the Neomorph wins, since black goo motes & egg sacks are more effective than ovomorphs & facehuggers.
Aliens fare better against bullets. I daresay they'd fare better in space too.
Fair enough. Although when Oram killed the adult Neomorph, the latter seems to have resisted a decent time. At least more than I expected, since the creature doesn't have that natural Alien armor.
Aliens are a little more armoured, a little more acidic, a little more vacuum-resistant. Face-uggers are able to break into sealed suits to infect hosts -- but are much more conspicuous than spores and make it infinitely more obvious a person has been infected.
Spores seems to act faster too and therefore much harder to counter.
LET'S BE HONEST, spores just straight ripped from Gibson my nugs.
Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2019, 11:48:20 AM
Spores seems to act faster too and therefore much harder to counter.
I wonder, because the spores act much faster, the neomorph pays the price by being much weaker than the protomorph, which in turn is weaker than the xenomorph because the gestation period is sped up. When I first saw Covenant I was annoyed that David had seemingly created a more effective way of infecting someone, but after some time I realised that his creation suffered because of the way the organism was implanted
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 21, 2019, 07:11:01 PM
LET'S BE HONEST, spores just straight ripped from Gibson my nugs.
It definitely appears so
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 21, 2019, 07:11:01 PM
LET'S BE HONEST, spores just straight ripped from Gibson my nugs.
I stole it in 2013 too, it's a fun idea.
Gibson got you by a few decades unless there is some reference I'm not getting
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 21, 2019, 07:11:01 PM
LET'S BE HONEST, spores just straight ripped from Gibson my nugs.
Wouldn't have thought so. More likely it's based on what was written for the Paradise and the swarm of black things we see in the film when the Engineers drinks the bubble tea.
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I wonder, because the spores act much faster, the neomorph pays the price by being much weaker than the protomorph, which in turn is weaker than the xenomorph because the gestation period is sped up.
I've often wondered if that was why the Gunnison Aliens were weak as piss. :)
They wiped out that national guard unit pretty damn fast.
Only cuz I wasn't there.
It's just what happens when Eddie Morales is on the beat.
Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Aug 21, 2019, 08:17:37 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2019, 11:48:20 AM
Spores seems to act faster too and therefore much harder to counter.
I wonder, because the spores act much faster, the neomorph pays the price by being much weaker than the protomorph, which in turn is weaker than the xenomorph because the gestation period is sped up. When I first saw Covenant I was annoyed that David had seemingly created a more effective way of infecting someone, but after some time I realised that his creation suffered because of the way the organism was implanted
I've been thinking lately that perhaps the Neo's also follow that original intent for the Alien, in that it dies off fast too. That'd make a pretty effective tool for cleaning out a planet. They kill everything, then die out themselves which takes no clean-up on the part of the Engineers.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 22, 2019, 08:03:42 AM
I've been thinking lately that perhaps the Neo's also follow that original intent for the Alien, in that it dies off fast too. That'd make a pretty effective tool for cleaning out a planet. They kill everything, then die out themselves which takes no clean-up on the part of the Engineers.
I like to think of those fungal spore things as being what grow from decomposed neomorphs. Just waiting there to re-infect should anything still be alive.
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Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Aug 21, 2019, 08:17:37 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2019, 11:48:20 AM
Spores seems to act faster too and therefore much harder to counter.
I wonder, because the spores act much faster, the neomorph pays the price by being much weaker than the protomorph, which in turn is weaker than the xenomorph because the gestation period is sped up. When I first saw Covenant I was annoyed that David had seemingly created a more effective way of infecting someone, but after some time I realised that his creation suffered because of the way the organism was implanted
I've been thinking lately that perhaps the Neo's also follow that original intent for the Alien, in that it dies off fast too. That'd make a pretty effective tool for cleaning out a planet. They kill everything, then die out themselves which takes no clean-up on the part of the Engineers.
Yeah, the xeno was too difficult to handle once it had wiped out a planet, or perhaps they spread on Engineer worlds when something went wrong, and the Engineers realised that a temporary life span would at the very least decrease some of the risk
Back on topic:
I wasn't aware Sony "rented" Spider-Man out to Disney.
With that being the case, couldn't another studio rent Alien from Disney?
Disney could lease the rights, yes.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Aug 23, 2019, 04:26:12 AM
With that being the case, couldn't another studio rent Alien from Disney?
I suppose they could, but it might be a cost issue. Relatively speaking, the
Alien films haven't been big budget productions. So if leasing the rights was say $20 million, then that would take up a huge chunk of the budget. I have no idea how much it would cost of course. It might be way less than that.
I think you are right.
Even if Disney would rent it out, the expected profit margin of an Alien movie is probably too low or too unreliable to be an attractive option for another studio.
That's why it will be Hulu, Hulu, Hulu.
Quote from: irn on Aug 23, 2019, 04:25:14 PMI suppose they could, but it might be a cost issue. Relatively speaking, the Alien films haven't been big budget productions. So if leasing the rights was say $20 million, then that would take up a huge chunk of the budget. I have no idea how much it would cost of course. It might be way less than that.
The renting fee doesn't have to be high. Could easily be a few million or a small percentage of the profits.
Disney's about money, and a low amount of money is still better than no money at all.
Especially when they don't have to do anything for it and aren't the ones at risk making a loss.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Aug 24, 2019, 03:45:14 AM
The renting fee doesn't have to be high. Could easily be a few million or a small percentage of the profits.
Disney's about money, and a low amount of money is still better than no money at all.
Especially when they don't have to do anything for it and aren't the ones at risk making a loss.
True. It would be good if they could do something like that. Perhaps from a marketing perspective Disney may prefer to have a bloody R-rated series like
Alien not be directed associated with their brand, although they'd be happy to take the profits.
If they don't use the license themselves, they will probably just sit on it for a while.
Every theater room where a competitor made Alien movie runs, is one less where a Disney heavyweight could run.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 24, 2019, 10:52:27 AM
If they don't use the license themselves, they will probably just sit on it for a while.
Every theater room where a competitor made Alien movie runs, is one less where a Disney heavyweight could run.
Yes but both Covenant and The Predator topped the box office on their respective opening weekends. I think it would still may make sense for Disney to try and dominate as many weeks as it can in theaters with their brands (just insert Alien or Predator somewhere in between the heavyweight releases). So while I still think a streaming series is the way to go, another film isn't entirely out of question. But I highly doubt that they'd license it out.
Let's face it, Fox did a terrible job with the latest entries of the X-Men, Alien and Predator. Disney wants thriving franchises, not critical flops and divisive movies with diminishing returns.
The Scott's Alien prequel series should be aborted and forgotten just like the Star Wars prequels were. Alien reboot movie and/or TV series please :)
Just my humble opinion, of course.
I really hope Disney picks up Blomkamp's project; Weaver nostalgia could renew interest in the franchise and then pick up from there with new stories (like Cameron's trying to do with the Terminator Whatever new film).
Well, on paper Disney has everything to make sucessful Alien or Predator stuff, mostly endless money to pay top talent.
Question is if they can or are willing to use that effective enough to actually make not only an successful, but also a good Alien or Predator movie\series.
It depends on what you call a 'good' A/P movie.
Some people like Scott's prequels (and I'm talking about Covenant) because it had gore and horror and sexuality.
I don't care that much if they take a part of the focus on that and they instead make a good 'mostly sci-fi oriented' thing.
But I really don't care that much how angle of the A/P series they focus on, as long as the're good movies (Prometheus and Covenant and The Predator scripts were cinematic garbage, IMO).
Sure, there is no pleasing everyone.
For example, I don't need a emphasis on sci-fi in my A/P movies. Never was anyway.
At least let them be good movies sounds great, but is easier said than done. Especially for Alien IMO.
As long as they're good (critically and general audience loving them) and succesful, I don't care that much about the focus.
Star Trek reboot was pretty good, even when the focus wasn't like the original show.
Covenant and The Predator were anything but good. They should distance from those efforts.
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 03:57:49 PMThe Scott's Alien prequel series should be aborted and forgotten just like the Star Wars prequels were. Alien reboot movie and/or TV series please :)
I really hope Disney picks up Blomkamp's project; Weaver nostalgia could renew interest in the franchise and then pick up from there with new stories (like Cameron's trying to do with the Terminator Whatever new film).
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Anyway, they didn't bomb
that hard and I think enough people are interested in a sequel, as long as it's done properly. Just abandoning them would be so sloppy, hopefully it doesn't happen. I hope the inclusion of Covenant in their sizzle reel wasn't just random.
A Covenant sequel won't bring any new fans into the franchise, I can make you sure that.
Let the prequels go, then reboot or if you want to you can do some TV series that sorts of explains what happens inbetween but it's not the main attraction.
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 04:48:11 PM
A Covenant sequel won't bring any new fans into the franchise, I can make you sure that.
Neither will reviving characters from 30 years ago.
Not trying to hold on to past glories and do a new thing that can stand on it's own feet would be the best for reviving the franchise IMO.
Yeah, I think it also depends on the execution. I say finish the prequels properly, and then do a soft reboot or something.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 24, 2019, 04:52:49 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 04:48:11 PM
A Covenant sequel won't bring any new fans into the franchise, I can make you sure that.
Neither will reviving characters from 30 years ago.
Not trying to hold on to past glories and do a new thing that can stand on it's own feet would be the best for reviving the franchise IMO.
Tell that to Disney and the $5 billions their movies have made this year so far by remaking properties like Aladdin and Lion King.
For most people, the Alien series ended with Ripley, the AVP and Prometheus stuff was not of their interest. I think the best BUSINESS idea is a 'back to the roots' nostalgia retcon-y sequel with the original characters everybody loved, and then use that momentum to move forward with new stories after that. Same thing Cameron (aka 'box office king') is trying to do with Terminator.
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 06:34:24 PM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 24, 2019, 04:52:49 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 04:48:11 PM
A Covenant sequel won't bring any new fans into the franchise, I can make you sure that.
Neither will reviving characters from 30 years ago.
Not trying to hold on to past glories and do a new thing that can stand on it's own feet would be the best for reviving the franchise IMO.
Tell that to Disney and the $5 billions their movies have made this year so far by remaking properties like Aladdin and Lion King.
Surely there is a difference between mass entertainment movies for kids and bringing back 70 year old Sigourney Weaver for a character that is currently dead and has not been nonestop marketed to the relevant audience for decades like the former. ;)
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 06:34:24 PM
For most people, the Alien series ended with Ripley, the AVP and Prometheus stuff was not of their interest. I think the best BUSINESS idea is a 'back to the roots' nostalgia retcon-y sequel with the original characters everybody loved, and then use that momentum to move forward with new stories after that. Same thing Cameron (aka 'box office king') is trying to do with Terminator.
I doubt the characters have that kind of draw. Not after beeing away so long from the public eye and especially not as a tool to bring in new fans.
We will see how Terminator will turn out, but my money is on not great.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 24, 2019, 06:44:41 PMSurely there is a difference between mass entertainment movies for kids and bringing back 70 year old Sigourney Weaver for a character that is currently dead and has not been nonestop marketed to the relevant audience for decades like the former. ;)
Most of the audience for Aladdin and Lion King was not comprised of kids. It was mostly young people (not children) and adults for nostalgia reasons.
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 06:34:24 PMI doubt the characters have that kind of draw. Not after beeing away so long from the public eye and especially not as a tool to bring in new fans.
We will see how Terminator will turn out, but my money is on not great.
You can bring back Weaver or reboot and find a new Ripley. But I really think a return to the roots and characters people love is what the franchise comercially needs in this moment to be revitalized.
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 07:08:09 PM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 24, 2019, 06:44:41 PMSurely there is a difference between mass entertainment movies for kids and bringing back 70 year old Sigourney Weaver for a character that is currently dead and has not been nonestop marketed to the relevant audience for decades like the former. ;)
Most of the audience for Aladdin and Lion King was not comprised of kids. It was mostly young people (not children) and adults for nostalgia reasons.
I doubt that, but if you have a source, feel free to share.
Fact still stands, that the Lion King and Aladdin were nonstop marketed as Disney icons over the decade and never left the public eye. I know my 15 to 19 year old cousins have no idea who Ellen Ripley is.
They barely recognise the xenomorph. Sad but true.
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 07:08:09 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 24, 2019, 06:34:24 PMI doubt the characters have that kind of draw. Not after beeing away so long from the public eye and especially not as a tool to bring in new fans.
We will see how Terminator will turn out, but my money is on not great.
You can bring back Weaver or reboot and find a new Ripley. But I really think a return to the roots and characters people love is what the franchise comercially needs in this moment to be revitalized.
I really think you overestimate the draw her return would have, especially on a general audience. Even this site is divided on her return and we hardly represent the general audience.
There is some appeal there. Having Linda Hamilton and Arnie back for the new terminator as well as James Cameron attached for the story won't bring any NEW fans (the trailers and marketing will have to do that) but it will let you retain old ones. The population of almost every country including the US is an aging one.
It also worked with Halloween.
That said, I don't want to see that kind of soft reboot. If you do a partial reboot you have sigourney for maybe five more years? Then what?
Investors don't necessarily see "some profit is better than no proft" as something to invest in. It has to reach a threshold. They may then their nose up at say a 5 million dollar profit when considering the next entry in a series.
Quote from: razeak on Aug 24, 2019, 10:09:45 PM
Investors don't necessarily see "some profit is better than no proft" as something to invest in. It has to reach a threshold. They may then their nose up at say a 5 million dollar profit when considering the next entry in a series.
Could depend on the investors. For some the small profit could be a lot of money.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 24, 2019, 10:03:18 PMThat said, I don't want to see that kind of soft reboot. If you do a partial reboot you have sigourney for maybe five more years? Then what?
Doing the same they did with Nimoy in Star Trek reboot: having her around in a couple movies while introducing a new cast of characters, then the goodbye maybe or feature her in a cameo.
Isn't the new Trek series on one of those indefinite holds.
Aka cancelled?
Still not sure that is the best way to go.
Think the only thing that saves the series from becoming a netflix throwaway is a completely fresh take on the franchise with a boot to the ass of all the lingering cast and crew who have just enough power and say so in hollywood to keep reinserting bad ideas. Mainly Scott and Sigourney.
There is NO WAY Disney would be happy with a five million dollar profit.
Quote from: Magegg on Aug 25, 2019, 03:01:51 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 24, 2019, 10:03:18 PMThat said, I don't want to see that kind of soft reboot. If you do a partial reboot you have sigourney for maybe five more years? Then what?
Doing the same they did with Nimoy in Star Trek reboot: having her around in a couple movies while introducing a new cast of characters, then the goodbye maybe or feature her in a cameo.
They basically did the same thing with the new Star Wars trilogy.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 25, 2019, 05:59:41 AM
Isn't the new Trek series on one of those indefinite holds.
Aka cancelled?
Yes. After
two mediocre sequels. The Force Awakens? Same thing. Now on a downwards trend because of mediocre movies. The requels will get bottoms in movie theater seats,
but as with any series, requel or not, you have to make good movies to keep them there. Otherwise it all eventually gets cancelled, requel or new.
The Halloween 2018 was a wonderful success for the franchise. Well made and well received critically. I went to 8pm showing (20:00) and they were all mostly late teens / young adults there. Nobody who was old enough to be a 17 year old during the time of the first Halloween film that's for sure. New fans. The formula is sound, but you have to make a good movie. Otherwise you'll have a Terminator Genisys on your hands, which still managed to end its box-office run with $440 Million.
I say do the requel that Sigourney wants to do that continues after Aliens. Erase the bad taste in the general populace mouth after Alien3 and Alien Resurrection and get great buzz and press for doing it. Then continue on with Newt. It just better be a good movie.
I don't think Halloween and Star Wars are good comparisons for Alien or Predator.
Star Wars is Star Wars. No matter what they put in the cinema for VII, people would have gone to see it.
Halloween is one of the most well known horror franchises. Horror always makes good money in the cinema, especially with the teens and young adults. Slasher maybe somewhat out of fashion, but still, you can always count on teens going into horror movies. With Jamie Lee or not. Most people, that are not fans, probably aren't following the story line between the countless sequels and the reboot anyway.
Genisys has Arnold.
It all winds up to: make a good movie. With Ripley or not. And I think thats easier without her or Newt.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 25, 2019, 12:38:56 PM
I don't think Halloween and Star Wars are good comparisons for Alien or Predator.
Kimarhi was equating the great Star Trek requel and it's subsequent series of inferior sequels being cancelled after three movies, to something inherent to the requel. I was saying it's just inherent to making bad subsequent movies. Therefore Star Wars is relative to this conversation in regards to The Last Jedi reception decline, and Solo in general.
But I would argue Jamie-Sigourney / Michael Myers-Xenemorph has more comparative ties than you think.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Aug 25, 2019, 12:38:56 PM
Genisys has Arnold.
Which honestly means nothing, made evident after Arnold's string of box-office bombs leading up to and surrounding Terminator Genisys.
But Arnold in Terminator still has value. And so does Sigourney in Alien.
I think the difference between the two is that Sigourney has way more pull in the Alien series than just about anybody in any of those other series and has a way of inserting her takes on the franchise that are both hit or miss, I'm guessing because she knew that studios needed her character to continue the franchise and she leveraged that need with inserting her own takes into the series.
Maybe not with Disney at the helm, but definately with Fox. The same with Scott.
I don't really consider new SW a requel because they didn't f**k up the chronology of the films. They are sequels to the original trilogy. Maybe if your talking SOLO and Rogue One...........but those are standalone films (which I think are better than the numbered new sequels but they took their lumps) that despite minor changes don't really mess up the continuity of the franchise.
Omitting whole chapters of the films like the Blomkamp and Sigourney proposed Alien movie was talking about doing is what Id consider a requel.
Thus Halloween is the closest to this option.
And there have been plenty of horror movie flops in movie history. Horror movies don't guarantee box office success.
True, not all horror movies make cash, but like Adam Sandler movies they are pretty reliable ;)
You guys may very well be right about this. It's just a gut feeling on my part and a heavy bias against the Ripley\Newt return of course.
I'm am with you on the Ripley/Newt/Hicks return (as much shit as I used to give Cvalda for her prequel David love this is a horrible idea).
If its going to be a reboot, reboot it all the way.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 25, 2019, 05:59:41 AMThere is NO WAY Disney would be happy with a five million dollar profit.
I wasn't talking about Disney and one of their potential releases.
But about someone or some studio renting the property to make their own movie. To the investor(s) of that project, 5 million might be sweet.
Why keep the Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation separate if your going to rent off such properties? Nah, Alien is not controversial like Dogma.
Hulu, Hulu, Hulu, I say! Unless Sigourney returns. :)
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 21, 2019, 11:46:17 PM
Gibson got you by a few decades unless there is some reference I'm not getting
Jumping back to this; I meant I lifted the spores from the Gibson script for my own use that year, because I dig it. That's all. So I enjoyed seeing something similar on the big screen a few years later.
I'm picking up what your laying down.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 27, 2019, 02:24:40 AM
I'm picking up what your laying down.
Don't do it.
It's booby trapped
Tension or pressure release
All I know is that there's cheese.
Hey look, cheese!
(Springs trap)
I had it backwards anyways
I don't even care anymore lol.
What I want to know is: if something is on hulu, can I still get it on DVD? I have a chronologically ordered DVD collection and I can't just say:"There's some data between these films", Also, I don't wan't to pay more each time I want to to the rewatch of every Alien , Blade Runner and Predator film.
Some streaming shows get physical releases. Some don't.
Alien's a big enough IP. I'd be surprised if an Alien Hulu show didn't get a physical release.
Yeah, they would release it on disc for sure, don't know how long it usually takes though.. So I'd be pretty annoyed if they do something new on Hulu, since I'd have to wait.
Quote from: Evanus on Aug 30, 2019, 08:12:07 PM
Yeah, they would release it on disc for sure, don't know how long it usually takes though.. So I'd be pretty annoyed if they do something new on Hulu, since I'd have to wait.
With Netflix it's about a year after the original release, usually around the time the second season becomes available for streaming.
And if you don't like waiting you can always download.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Aug 30, 2019, 08:18:19 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Aug 30, 2019, 08:12:07 PM
Yeah, they would release it on disc for sure, don't know how long it usually takes though.. So I'd be pretty annoyed if they do something new on Hulu, since I'd have to wait.
With Netflix it's about a year after the original release, usually around the time the second season becomes available for streaming.
And if you don't like waiting you can always download.
A year?!
Piracy it is! :P
Quote from: David's Creation on Aug 30, 2019, 06:08:02 PM
Some streaming shows get physical releases. Some don't.
Alien's a big enough IP. I'd be surprised if an Alien Hulu show didn't get a physical release.
I doubt we'll ever even get a physical release of the shorts, even in the bonus features of a new film.
I think we're slowly reaching the point of what streams online, stays online.
I hate not having physical copies because I know that streaming can be unreliable as shit depending on where you are at, or you purchase your streaming service through.
I still haven't watched all the Alien shorts because I'm not watching Alien on a computer and not a big screen tv.
Do what I keep meaning to do...make your own DVD and fancy menu with 'em on!
I've been considering doing that for the short films. I started by splicing them together into a feature-length anthology called "Alien Expanse".
But I lost motivation after deciding I don't consider them canon.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2019, 07:48:33 AM
Do what I keep meaning to do...make your own DVD and fancy menu with 'em on!
There are many ways. They look gorgeous on a big screen hdtv at night, I'll say that. ;)
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 31, 2019, 03:28:16 AM
I hate not having physical copies because I know that streaming can be unreliable as shit depending on where you are at, or you purchase your streaming service through.
I still haven't watched all the Alien shorts because I'm not watching Alien on a computer and not a big screen tv.
Stuff getting pulled randomly is what concerns me the most.
Recently in the predator part of the forum, someone said that Wegotthiscovered claimed that Disney was rebooting the predator franchise, apparently this is not the case.
Today on Facebook I heard that Wegotthiscovered now claims that Disney wil reboot the Alien franchise with Ridley Scott possibly producing, can anyone confirm whether this is true or not?
No confirmation, and for everyone's information it's excessively easy to watch YouTube through a modern Television.
Quote from: Dingbat on Sep 01, 2019, 01:01:52 PM
Recently in the predator part of the forum, someone said that Wegotthiscovered claimed that Disney was rebooting the predator franchise, apparently this is not the case.
Today on Facebook I heard that Wegotthiscovered now claims that Disney wil reboot the Alien franchise with Ridley Scott possibly producing, can anyone confirm whether this is true or not?
That's also been doing the rounds for a while now. Take with a generous pinch o' salt.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 31, 2019, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2019, 07:48:33 AM
Do what I keep meaning to do...make your own DVD and fancy menu with 'em on!
There are many ways. They look gorgeous on a big screen hdtv at night, I'll say that. ;)
There are. YouTube Apps on Smart TVs, consoles, rip and put on a hard-drive, etc. I just kinda like the idea of having them on a DVD.
Quote from: Dingbat on Sep 01, 2019, 01:01:52 PM
Recently in the predator part of the forum, someone said that Wegotthiscovered claimed that Disney was rebooting the predator franchise, apparently this is not the case.
Today on Facebook I heard that Wegotthiscovered now claims that Disney wil reboot the Alien franchise with Ridley Scott possibly producing, can anyone confirm whether this is true or not?
Yeah, don't put any credence into WeGotThisCovered.
I guess all we can do is hope they're included as extras on a future movie or tv show Blu-ray.
Should we be so lucky.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 02, 2019, 05:54:13 PM
I guess all we can do is hope they're included as extras on a future movie or tv show Blu-ray.
Should we be so lucky.
Extras on a new 6 film set so die hard Alien fans will have to purchase all the films, yet again. :-\
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 02, 2019, 05:59:42 PM
die hard Alien fans
John McClane crossover. "Come up to Gateway, we'll have a few laughs"
Next will be a predator 2/die hard crossover. Nakatomi tower's about to get a nice red paint job.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 02, 2019, 06:12:23 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 02, 2019, 05:59:42 PM
die hard Alien fans
John McClane crossover. "Come up to Gateway, we'll have a few laughs"
Next will be a predator 2/die hard crossover. Nakatomi tower's about to get a nice red paint job.
Well Predator & Die Hard are already in the same universe, so....
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielbaldwin/2016/03/01/viva-val-verde-verse-exploring-foxs-secret-5-billion-cinematic-universe/
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2019, 07:48:33 AMDo what I keep meaning to do...make your own DVD and fancy menu with 'em on!
Do you accept PayPal? :P
I can get Youtube on my TV, so I can flip between the actual DVDs and the Shorts on Youtube in a second or two.
I live in the rolling hills of Kentucky......so unless I want to see pixelated motherf**kers running away from black blobs that vaguely resemble Aliens I'll just wait until they are included somewhere else.
I mean, even porn is a disappointment where I'm at.
Does anyone know when the filming of the spaghetti western with Aliens begins? I hear Ridley Scott is directing.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 03, 2019, 12:48:56 AM
I mean, even porn is a disappointment where I'm at.
I hear ya. It's the same here.
Everybody wants to be a star. ;)
And that's why streaming everything (We expect internet infrastructure to change to support the Google Stadia) is absolute nonsense. A digital high quality copy download I could support though.
In regards to the Blomkamp project, it wasn't the inclusion of Ripley, Hicks and Rebecca Jordan which got me interested, it was him saying the series needed to return to disturbing psychosexual horror, Giger's biomechanical aesthetics and the presentation style of '
Isolation'. Those were the elements he would have made an effort to include and which the series has been sorely lacking.
The first film which succeeds in striking the chord which the original '
Prometheus' teaser so strongly evoked will win hugely positive acclaim.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 20, 2019, 12:38:37 PM
So then is the Xenomorph, as Ridley says, overcooked?
'
Isolation' proved otherwise. The people behind it seemed to have researched lighting effects and tension-heightening techniques better than Scott did for the prequels.
I've got huge issues with the cheating AI (which prevented me from progressing very far), but the cinematic presentation style was mostly excellent.
Isolation traded on goodwill created by Alien. It didn't take the series in some new direction.
It also didn't sell that well.
Maybe a little off topic, but I'd love an Isolation-esque game that takes inspiration from the prequels, something with a black goo outbreak like on LV-223 for example.
Quote from: SM on Sep 08, 2019, 10:47:14 PMIt also didn't sell that well.
Might the reception to
Colonial Marines not have something to do with that though?
Possibly. But plenty of positive reviews didn't seem to help with sales.
It was expensive to make and that type of game doesn't work well in today's AAA gaming industry. And it has been gaining more and more appreciation from the public, slowly but surely over the years. Just look at how it's very much still alive on Twitch.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Sep 09, 2019, 10:07:30 AM
It was expensive to make and that type of game doesn't work well in today's AAA gaming industry. And it has been gaining more and more appreciation from the public, slowly but surely over the years. Just look at how it's very much still alive on Twitch.
I think that sums it up quite nicely.
I would speculate that A:CM definitely hurt Isolation. A:CM didn't leave the news cycle for a couple of years. I'm sure most people that randomly purchased it, rented it, or even got it when i was discounted to 4.99 a few months later probably didn't have much faith in another game with that name in the title.
All entirely possible. However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.
In my personal view, the lack of a playable Alien campaign was what majorly hurt the sales. Casual gamers generally don't want to feel constantly victimised. They want an empowerment escapism fantasy after the frustrations of their day. It's a formula which might work for something with a much smaller budget, but they needed something more for a product with relatively high development costs. The people who do want to shell out for that are just not going to be enough.
Yes, 'Colonial Marines' initially had high sales, but a lot of people who bought it were still doing so for what they assumed to be an empowerment fantasy with squad mates vanquishing the enemy and saving the day amidst loud explosions.
For a film, it's different. A similar presentation style and sense of atmosphere would work very well for that.
'Covenant' did come close during the initial backburster scene, but as that was bizarrely released to the public ahead of release, nobody was going to purchase tickets for the one scene which they could already watch for free at home.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Sep 09, 2019, 10:07:30 AM
It was expensive to make and that type of game doesn't work well in today's AAA gaming industry. And it has been gaining more and more appreciation from the public, slowly but surely over the years. Just look at how it's very much still alive on Twitch.
Also it didn't had stuff like a bunch of baiting microtransations that should be part of a game in the first place. Games like Isolation aren't where the industry is heading.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 10, 2019, 07:04:51 PM
In my personal view, the lack of a playable Alien campaign was what majorly hurt the sales. Casual gamers generally don't want to feel constantly victimised. They want an empowerment escapism fantasy after the frustrations of their day. It's a formula which might work for something with a much smaller budget, but they needed something more for a product with relatively high development costs. The people who do want to shell out for that are just not going to be enough.
I thought about something similar, like if it had a multiplayer mode, like the new Predator game with one being able to play as the Alien while others tried to escape it could have helped the sales.
OT ::)
QuoteIn my personal view, the lack of a playable Alien campaign was what majorly hurt the sales.
I'm not sure that would've attracted casual gamers either.
Perhaps a multiplayer death match (one Alien vs however many people) would've helped though? Not with casual gamers again, but in general.
Merely the inevitable result of not including a Holo-Stripper
Maybe it just needed some of that ol' Randy magic.
I tried to find a gif of the rolling donut, but the internet has failed me :(
The people who played it, apart from the ones who dissect it, only try to forget it. lol
Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PM
All entirely possible. However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.
I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.
Exactly, and the franchise isn't known for massive profit in any department, SEGA expected more than reasonable for a Triple A, Alien videogame in 2014 after the last disaster.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2019, 09:48:37 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PM
All entirely possible. However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.
I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.
It's effective because it copied the first film. If Ridley had done that, people would be complaining about that instead.
Sales is just an aside.
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2019, 08:31:36 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2019, 09:48:37 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PM
All entirely possible. However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.
I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.
It's effective because it copied the first film. If Ridley had done that, people would be complaining about that instead.
Sales is just an aside.
Isolation is effective because of its atmosphere, tension, and presentation which are traits that it obviously shares with the original film; but this same combination is missing from the prequels. Sure the presentation is there but there's very little tension and the atmosphere isn't exactly consistent with the previous films. Isolation showcased what works with the franchise and therefore is absolutely relevant to "the beast is cooked" argument, let alone that it made the alien scary again. It's one of the few entries that the fandom can actually agree on favorably unlike Ridley's last two entries.
Well said.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Sep 13, 2019, 01:21:32 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2019, 08:31:36 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2019, 09:48:37 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2019, 12:13:21 PM
All entirely possible. However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.
I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.
It's effective because it copied the first film. If Ridley had done that, people would be complaining about that instead.
Sales is just an aside.
Isolation is effective because of its atmosphere, tension, and presentation which are traits that it obviously shares with the original film; but this same combination is missing from the prequels. Sure the presentation is there but there's very little tension and the atmosphere isn't exactly consistent with the previous films. Isolation showcased what works with the franchise and therefore is absolutely relevant to "the beast is cooked" argument, let alone that it made the alien scary again. It's one of the few entries that the fandom can actually agree on favorably unlike Ridley's last two entries.
Isolation was scary because it copied the first film.
I don't really agree with Riddles' 'beast if cooked' thing; but using a game that copied the movie that he made as an example has no merit. I'll wait for when someone actually does something different and its scary as Alien.
Isolation also wasn't scary.
The Alien sequences were annoying AF.
Saved by the highly detailed world and presentation.
It's been a very, very long time since I found an Alien movie "scary"; but peoples definitions of what's scary vary wildly.
Maybe the first encounter with the Alien where it kills dude and your trying to board the tram had me feeling slightly apprehensive, but once I actually encountered the Alien and it was stomping around and shit I felt it lose absolutely ALL of its tension and was annoyed whenever it showed up.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2019, 02:20:53 AM
Isolation also wasn't scary.
I don't think Alien ever scared me as a child. The presentation of the creature is great, but bastards like Pinhead and Pennywise freaked me out way more back then. Even though those just make me laugh now, while I still take the alien seriously.
Isolation gave me more "suprises" than Alien, only alien related thing that ever gave me jump scares that made me scream enough to wake up my mom in the other room were the facehuggers on AVP Classic and AVP2.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2019, 02:20:53 AM
The Alien sequences were annoying AF.
Not into hide and run type of game?
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2019, 02:25:57 AM
Maybe the first encounter with the Alien where it kills dude and your trying to board the tram had me feeling slightly apprehensive, but once I actually encountered the Alien and it was stomping around and shit I felt it lose absolutely ALL of its tension and was annoyed whenever it showed up.
I found a lot of Isolation tense certainly; but yeah some of those bits where you're hiding and waiting forever for the Alien to f**k off, then as soon as you emerge the tracker beeps again. It can go from tense to irritating pretty quick.
There is the easy difficulty.
It didn't really me either. It was always about the worldbuilding to me. Alien isn't hard scifi but the worlds felt believable and it is a picture of space travel and exploration that I always use in my head thinking up random shit for stories I'll never write.
The Alien also has the best design. Try coming up with a creature that has no Alien inspiration. Not impossible but it continues to set as my default creature when I think of dangerous Alien life in my head.
That said there were times I remember feeling apprehensive in both the first two movies and those weren't replicated in any of the other movies and only the very beginning of Isolation when you are thinking the Alien is going to show up and your mind thinks up the most terrible crazy shit that is going to happen only for it to reveal itself finally and you realize it is burdened by the limitations of Isolation's gameplay.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 13, 2019, 02:37:31 AM
There is the easy difficulty.
Easy difficulty for console users is actually a more enjoyable experience for me personally because the Alien isn't around all the freaking time like it is on any other difficulty.
I didn't have the patience for the super hard difficulty but I've beat it on all the others and Easy is actually my preferred setting when I do play the game.
The challenge for me in the Nightmare difficulty wasn't even the Alien, its on how you can barely find any materials there, the biggest gap between this and Hard is on how scarce finding anything to craft is.
I played once on Easy to get the no deaths achievement and felt that the Alien was way easy to deal it, while on Nightmare the tension was always up, the bastard is good, the threat is real. The closest we got to Alien.
I don't have that kind of patience.
The only thing I've ever done like that was with TLOU Grounded difficulty where it is similar with no hearing mode and nothing to craft and you basically just have to metal gear brick your way through the game. I kept dying in the parts I didn't even know you could die in (like pushing Ellie in the truck) and was so pissed off by the end of it that I didnt enjoy the playthrough at all.
Some people like that shit and good for em. But I usually play games to decompress, not get even more aggravated.
He was saying you are old and lack the necessary skills to defeat the game on higher difficulties.
Tell me something I don't know.
;D
You and me both brudda.
I felt more tense during Isolation than any Alien film, but I felt tension funnily enough during Alien upon first viewing, and Covenant when the Neomorph's about and seeing it as A Gothic Romantic Horror means it's infinitely more entertaining but the tension is completely lost when the Alien appears because of it's presentation.
Although I don't really feel much tension during Aliens (A perfectly entertaining film with a great script and absolutely nothing to think about IMO) or Alien³ (But the last has an oppressive atmosphere I love and it's simultaneously hopeful and lost all at once) and definitely not any of the other ones.
But I played Isolation first on Hard on console, then I played Isolation on PC with the Unpredictable Alien modification on Hard.
And last with even more modification.
I'm gonna be honest, I don't know how you people are playing Isolation on the hardest setting. I've never beaten it so I'm giving it another "first try"(a more serious attempt this go around, currently trying to get the doctors help for the girl with glasses) and every time the motion tracker beeps I get anxiety.
This is probably more so due to me not liking being chased or unable to fight back in any real way, so I don't know how you all are playing it with it being around more often or in an even more unpredictable way.
Unpredictable means it's generally around not as often, but very intense when it is.
Some of us are sick and masochistic folk! ;D
I've been playing on Nightmare mode since it got patched in. Less flame fuel and no knockdown by the Alien combined with non existent resources are just some of the things that gave me hell and I loved it. The Unpredictable mod is more realistic as far as the drop frequency, search time and distance of the Alien and it can feel more cinematic cause of it. Makes it a bit easier and more fun if you're not looking for that next challenging playthrough. It was my favorite way to play the game for the longest time, makes the Alien "cheat" less by making him bugger off, so you actually get surprised when you see Stompy. And there is a mod to make Stompy silent.
Now I play the Nightmare mode with the Insane mod where the alien has muuuuch better eyesight and literally perfect hearing. It really is insane, but it is what I like. To feel like I'm being hunted by the perfect organism who will find me if I make the slightest mistake.
Far from a perfect game and AI, but it is a unique experience. Especially with mods. I have a weird, sorta special bond with Stompy. Every once in a while I get the most terrifying and thrilling nightmares where I'm Amanda trying to escape the Alien.
All the criticism people have made I understand and are quite valid. Stompy can get annoying, the Alien mechanics are not perfect. But it just strikes a chord with me and gives me fear of the Alien like no other movie, book or game has done. I'm so crazy about the game that I might even get a VR headset when the VR mod gets done.
It's certainly a unique one, as A.I Design Dive points out.
I think im going to have to try A:I on PC with some of these mods. It had me very tense during my time with it. I had to turn it off to relax lol.
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All entirely possible. However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.
I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.
It's effective because it copied the first film. If Ridley had done that, people would be complaining about that instead.
Sales is just an aside.
Isolation is effective because of its atmosphere, tension, and presentation which are traits that it obviously shares with the original film; but this same combination is missing from the prequels. Sure the presentation is there but there's very little tension and the atmosphere isn't exactly consistent with the previous films. Isolation showcased what works with the franchise and therefore is absolutely relevant to "the beast is cooked" argument, let alone that it made the alien scary again. It's one of the few entries that the fandom can actually agree on favorably unlike Ridley's last two entries.
Isolation was scary because it copied the first film.
I don't really agree with Riddles' 'beast if cooked' thing; but using a game that copied the movie that he made as an example has no merit. I'll wait for when someone actually does something different and its scary as Alien.
That's fair enough but I think "copied" is a bit of an exaggeration. There's a term in art school known as "repetition and variation" and it's how artists come to create a signature style. For example Giger's artwork uses many of the same elements, characters, shading etc. in his work but there's still variations in each piece to both distinguish the individual works while still remaining completely Giger-Esque. Aliens, A3, and Isolation are all examples of repetition and variation of the first film so I don't see any issue with it as long as it works (which in reality is the really tricky part).
Isolation totally copied the first film, and I loved it. It worked really well, because it's a game, I suppose. But would that work for a movie?
Either way I feel like the Alien itself can definitely be scary, they just need to, well..
Spoiler
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6on28CB6l1rwqrnyo2_r3_500.gif)
:P
Indeed, that's the trick then. The Cold Forge is the only one do something new completely successfully since the main three IMO.
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All entirely possible. However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.
I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.
It's effective because it copied the first film. If Ridley had done that, people would be complaining about that instead.
Sales is just an aside.
Isolation is effective because of its atmosphere, tension, and presentation which are traits that it obviously shares with the original film; but this same combination is missing from the prequels. Sure the presentation is there but there's very little tension and the atmosphere isn't exactly consistent with the previous films. Isolation showcased what works with the franchise and therefore is absolutely relevant to "the beast is cooked" argument, let alone that it made the alien scary again. It's one of the few entries that the fandom can actually agree on favorably unlike Ridley's last two entries.
Isolation was scary because it copied the first film.
I don't really agree with Riddles' 'beast if cooked' thing; but using a game that copied the movie that he made as an example has no merit. I'll wait for when someone actually does something different and its scary as Alien.
That's fair enough but I think "copied" is a bit of an exaggeration. There's a term in art school known as "repetition and variation" and it's how artists come to create a signature style. For example Giger's artwork uses many of the same elements, characters, shading etc. in his work but there's still variations in each piece to both distinguish the individual works while still remaining completely Giger-Esque. Aliens, A3, and Isolation are all examples of repetition and variation of the first film so I don't see any issue with it as long as it works (which in reality is the really tricky part).
I thought it was a very deliberate copy, and that was part of the appeal after so many games focused on colonial marines. It's the second half of Alien but on a space station and with more varied opportunities to take on the monster. The station looks the same as the Nostromo, it's lit the same, the music has the same tone, the costumes are the same, etc.
Now we need a game that copies the bait and chase stuff from Alien 3.
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Now we need a game that copies the bait and chase stuff from Alien 3.
+ a game that copies the outlandish sexual stuff in Alien Res
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All entirely possible. However my point is it's not really relevant to use Isolation as an argument against 'the beast is cooked', when it was really just re-heating the original beast.
I've got to disagree there. While sales wise, it disappointed Sega, it still proved that the Alien itself was an effective tool, even if it wasn't a massive departure from Alien. Unless the argument is "beast is cooked" = doesn't sell as well, opposed to not effective.
It's effective because it copied the first film. If Ridley had done that, people would be complaining about that instead.
Sales is just an aside.
Isolation is effective because of its atmosphere, tension, and presentation which are traits that it obviously shares with the original film; but this same combination is missing from the prequels. Sure the presentation is there but there's very little tension and the atmosphere isn't exactly consistent with the previous films. Isolation showcased what works with the franchise and therefore is absolutely relevant to "the beast is cooked" argument, let alone that it made the alien scary again. It's one of the few entries that the fandom can actually agree on favorably unlike Ridley's last two entries.
Isolation was scary because it copied the first film.
I don't really agree with Riddles' 'beast if cooked' thing; but using a game that copied the movie that he made as an example has no merit. I'll wait for when someone actually does something different and its scary as Alien.
That's fair enough but I think "copied" is a bit of an exaggeration. There's a term in art school known as "repetition and variation" and it's how artists come to create a signature style. For example Giger's artwork uses many of the same elements, characters, shading etc. in his work but there's still variations in each piece to both distinguish the individual works while still remaining completely Giger-Esque. Aliens, A3, and Isolation are all examples of repetition and variation of the first film so I don't see any issue with it as long as it works (which in reality is the really tricky part).
I thought it was a very deliberate copy, and that was part of the appeal after so many games focused on colonial marines. It's the second half of Alien but on a space station and with more varied opportunities to take on the monster. The station looks the same as the Nostromo, it's lit the same, the music has the same tone, the costumes are the same, etc.
I agree with what you're saying to an extent but the elements you've mentioned that are the same don't necessarily guarantee a successful entry. Isolation laid the nostalgia on thick but that wasn't the only reason why it was good. But I'm with you on wanting to see something more original.
What I regret the most is thinking it wasn't on Xbox 360, only Xbox One; so I watched the playthrough done by Markiplier, it still scared me when I finally bought it but I'd have liked to have been less in the know than I was.
QuoteI agree with what you're saying to an extent but the elements you've mentioned that are the same don't necessarily guarantee a successful entry.
Indeed. But all the things I mentioned coupled with the gameplay seem to have done the job.
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What I regret the most is thinking it wasn't on Xbox 360, only Xbox One;
Huh?
https://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/alien-isolation
I'd get it on 360 if I could be really bothered hunting it down.
When I played it on my old PC, I had to shrink the screen down to the size of a postage stamp for it to run properly.
It's available via digital download. I'd wait for a sale though.
https://marketplace.xbox.com/en-us/Product/Alien-Isolation/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d8025345085e
:o
$70 AUD for an old game during a time when stores almost giving away 360 games - except Isolation of course.
Think I'll try elsewhere.
The downloadable version goes on sale fairly often. I'll let you know when it does.
Wasn't the game free on games with gold early this year?
Your a special advisor to Fox and they can't even send you a damn console and game? Hell even WY tried to sweeten the deal for Ripley to go back.
Bunch of cheapskate f**kers.
They send me other stuff.
Sometimes it's even money.
Tell them to send you a PS4 with Isolation.
Fox should have had SM overseeing their interests at Gearbox during the development of ACM.
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Fox should have had SM overseeing their interests at Gearbox during the development of ACM.
Do you think he would have gotten along with Randy?
Ahaha.
I have no idea what SM looks like, but I can't help but envision the meetings over that game haha.
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I have no idea what SM looks like, but I can't help but envision the meetings over that game haha.
He'd give Randy the willy wonka treatment.
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Tell them to send you a PS4 with Isolation.
and with Disney+ :P
SM prolly just leave one of them venomous animals from 'Straya with Randy.
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I have no idea what SM looks like, but I can't help but envision the meetings over that game haha.
He'd give Randy the willy wonka treatment.
Is there any SM's reaction video at Youtube?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 15, 2019, 12:24:12 AM
The downloadable version goes on sale fairly often. I'll let you know when it does.
Speak of the devil...
https://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/Alien-Isolation/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d8025345085e
10 bucks for the base game.
The season pass is cheap too.
But will SM buy it?
The anticipation builds.......
Quote from: razeak on Sep 18, 2019, 07:06:43 PM
The anticipation builds.......
That might be gas. :)
He's probably too busy playing it to reply.
Who's toenails do we have to clip to get a new movie green lit?
Raid Disney HQ, they can't reboot all of us!
Lmao indeed.