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Cinemart have just posted up what seems to be two new images of an actual prop used in Prometheus. According to their studio source, this prop is a prosthetic mask designed specifically for an actor to wear and described as the face design for “the alien”. Which certainly looks like the Space Jockey seen in ALIEN. You can read their own description of the mask below.

"The prop (organic looking design), in mould stage (white coloured), is a human skull with large eye sockets (slightly apart than normal) and what looks like another layer of bone having grown over it. The extra layer is in the form of what we know as the facehugger (without the legs). There is a trunk-like nose where the creature's tail would naturally be in this position (or the appendage underneath used to lay the egg into a recipient). The prop is a prosthetic mask without makeup added, but the insider also said the creature featured in Prometheus has been executed with very little CGI planned. The appearance of the mask is of a human skull with facehugger frame on top."

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that looks slightly better than the bulky mask we see in the med bay during the trailer

This is what we`ve seen in trailer. Jockey!

So we will see SJs running around, kissing humans to impregnate them  :laugh:

Wait a minute... Does this mean that what we always considered as part of Jockey`s face is actually some form of proto face hugger?

Quote from: Master on Jan 10, 2012, 11:16:34 PM
Wait a minute... Does this mean that what we always considered as part of Jockey`s face is actually some form of proto face hugger?

That would be quite interesting.

B

I don`t want to believe that but it seems that those:

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are jockey trunks that basicly changes you into this:

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I hope it`s bullshit.

That's the deal  ;)

Plug and Play haha  ;D

Doesn't look like a helmet to me. ;)

i can see a jaw bone and temples.

not a mask for me.

I have a strong feeling that this will be the suit that the "space jockeys" (engineers) wear. It will, in my strong opinion, be like a battle suit they wear when touching down on a planet after the terraform process is over and the resources need to be collected, and the indigenous population needs to be vacated.  :laugh: The suit I believe will be used, in a sense, not just for protection, but for impregnation. Someone mentioned the jockey attaching it's face to it's host earlier, you got it! This race of beings, it seems, has there whole technology base on this very per-versed bio-mechanical, bio-warfare thing down packed!

Now just imagine.. The space jockey's show up near the planet that needs it resources plundered. They launch, not nukes, but these eggs and Xenomorphs AND GOD KNOWS WHAT THE HELL ELSE ON TO IT. Then, when most of the planet is cleared, they touch down in these bio-weapon- suits and use them to slaughter, as well as to impregnate the locals.  :P Now, to me this seems even more sick and grotesque than the alien and face hugger combined.

I think it's going to be a real surprise when the audience sees the humanoid engineer in the movie walking around on it's own, there not going to be expecting this being and the jockey to be one in the same. Then for the engineer to press a button, suit comes out of the wall and then the engineer merges with it. Holly f**k! That is going to be the coolest scene in the whole movie!

I think the engineer's might even have more tricks up it's sleeve. I think you will see some Transformers style stuff in this. I know that might not sit well with a lot of you, but you have to admit.. Transformers did make a lot of money. :laugh:

Not only is this movie going to show this new type of creature and what it can do. But to know it's going to be controlled by a more advanced version of ourselves is even more demented! In a good way I should say.  8)

Also this is not it. We are going to see an array of creatures in this. We're talking the engineers entire bio-mechanical technology. And there arsenal.

This is going to be a fun movie. And I have a strong feeling we are going to see a James Cameron style "Aliens" movie as will as a Ridley Scott movie. I really feel this is the is what we're going to get. This will be a sci fi horror as well as an action adventure film. You can't have one or the other when talking about  the "gods and engineers" and the human element.

The shape of the skull really fits with the Engineer seen alive in the trailer, but you can clearly see etchings that indicate bone growth at the forehead region, etc--strange, if it's just a mask. I thought the jockey skull looked really squat and kind of goofy in the trailer, but here it looks quite nice.

Could this be what is inside the suit?

It is the suit.

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 11, 2012, 12:02:14 AM
I have a strong feeling that this will be the suit that the "space jockeys" (engineers) wear. It will, in my strong opninion, be like a battle suit they wear when touching down on a planet after the terraforming process is over and the resources need to be collected, and the indignous population needs to be vacated.  :laugh: The suit I believe will be used, in a sense, not just for protection, but for impregnation. Someone mentioned the jockey attaching it's face to it's host ealier, you got it! This race of beings, it seems, has there whole technology base on this very perversed biomechanical, biowarfare thing down packed!

Now just imagine.. The spacejockey's show up near the planet that needs it resources plundered. They launch, not nukes, but these eggs and Xenomorphs AND GOD KNOWS WHAT THE HELL ELSE ON TO IT. Then, when most of the planet is cleared, they touch down in these bio-weapon- suits and use them to slaughter, as well as to impegnate the locals.  :P Now, to me this seems even more sick and grotesqe than the alien and face hugger combined.

I think it's going to be a real surprise when the audience see's the humanoid engineer in the movie walking around on it's own, there not going to be expecting this being and the jockey to be one in the same. Then for the enigineer to press a button, suit comes out of the wall and then the engineer merges with it. Holly f**k! That is going to be the coolest scene in the whole movie!

I think the engineer's might even have more tricks up it's sleeve. I think you will see some Transfomers style stuff in this. I know that might not sit well with a lot of you, but you have to admit.. Transformers did make a lot of money. :laugh:

Not only is this movie going to show this new type of creature and what it can do. But to know it's going to be controlled by a more advanced version of ourselves is even more demented! In a good way I should say.  8)

Also this is not it. We are going to see an array of creatures in this. We're talking the engineers entire biomechanical technology. And there arsenal.

This is going to be a fun movie. And I have a strong feeling we are going to see a James Cameron style "Aliens" movie as will as a Ridley Scott movie. I really feel this is the is what we're going to get. This will be a scifi horrow as well as an action adventure film. You can't have one or the other when talking about  the "gods and engineers" and the humsn element.

Interesting thoughts.  I just can't see that head as part of a suit (ie. a helmet).  It's too fleshy and organic for that.  Maybe a mutation of the bald guy?  But then again, the eyes are too far apart.  I'm really hoping that this creature and Kojak are two different beings.  Maybe this creature represents the younger engineer whose task it is to help and serve, his creator, the older engineer (bald guy) in whatever work he is doing.  Maybe the younger engineer rebels against the elder and thus thrusts himself in the role of a titan going up against his god.  Ultimately, he gets put in the chair as a punishment has the burster come out.  Nothing new here, this has been a speculation for a while, but, for me, still the most plausible scenario.

Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 10, 2012, 11:44:39 PM
i can see a jaw bone and temples.

not a mask for me.

i can understand your doubts, but we're seeing is an alien life form, so it has to be subject of it's own law.

by the way: i've ofte saw that kind of mask...

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Never even noticed the similarity between the trunk and the Facehugger before.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 11, 2012, 12:32:58 AM
Never even noticed the similarity between the trunk and the Facehugger before.

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human space jockeys???

it looks somekind of it, but if people said, that it were looking like the alien's inner mouth people would relying on this statement.

If that is THE alien creature then Ridley spoiled it for us in the trailer....Jesus this is ridiculous reporting by that website.

It looks fine i'm happy with it, now the count down to fox demanding its removal 5...4...3....2...1

I'm not convinced by the images or the text being genuine.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 11, 2012, 12:39:53 AM
If that is THE alien creature then Ridley spoiled it for us in the trailer....Jesus this is ridiculous reporting by that website.

and they seem so surprise, that a jockey is even in that film  ;D
this resemblance with the facehugger's tale and the jockey's trunk, sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy, to me.
everybody will see some resembalance in everything. they're hoping to see any aliens.

Looks great, and a lot better with a thinner face.  These are the jockeys I've been looking for.

I like it, but it is shown out of context. Wild conjecture is just that.

I have to agree with some of the earlier posts and the original topic...I never connected the trunk of the SJ as a potential proto-facehugger...but it makes sense in some of the speculative contexts.

Quote from: chrisr232007 on Jan 11, 2012, 12:11:32 AM
Could this be what is inside the suit?

Chrisr,

This is my thought exactly.  This is not the suit.  The suit is in the Ampule room, and the helmet to the suit is what they are scanning in the lab.  This is the actual skull/head, and I think this is the skull that fits inside the helmet.  Up to now most people (including myself) have assumed that Mr. Giant Blue guy goes in the suit, but I don't think so now.

I'm starting to believe that we will have Engineers (blue guys--god), and Jockeys (possibly one being a Prometheus) being completely different species.  My guess is that the Jockeys were created by the engineers to be subservient to them, and use them as slaves.

Also..  I don't see a facehugger in the slightlest.  The nose resembles the same texture as a facehugger tail, but I'd be pretty surprised if a jockey rips his nose off and sticks it on someone elses face  :o

What is a Prometheus exactly?

A filthy thief!

You should have known that after a few hundred threads about the mythology :D

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 11, 2012, 02:24:10 AM
What is a Prometheus exactly?

The symbol/embodiment of the Prometheus mythology.  In this case, maybe the Space Jockeys are sympathetic to humans and know what the Engineers have in store for us.  They steal the Engineers fire (some technology) that they think will help us against the Gods.

Highly speculative I know..

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 11, 2012, 02:24:10 AM
What is a Prometheus exactly?

The Titan who stole the god's fire and suffered having his liver being eat out by a bird every day subsequently.

I don't know what the f**k this is,,, but it's cool!

That thing looks bad-ass! So beautiful and skull-like. It's certainly cool to see a live(?) version of the suit. Speaking of... it is very organic looking aka doesn't look very suit-like... Thats some crazy biosuit then! I love it

I gotta go did up my Space Jockey ring now!

I'm going to be completely evil and just throw this out there:
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I'm not seeing any image.

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 11, 2012, 02:49:38 AM
I'm not seeing any image.

Fixed  :P

I know I'm gonna be burned at the steak for this but I guess that Jockey skull we saw in AVP-R isn't so farfetched anymore.

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Lot's of similarities, although this new design looks more humanoid without the elongated 'skull'. Even the 'jaw' is evident. I have always been convinced that the original SJ is not all suit - we see some of it's own self showing through, the jaw just being one example. This new design looks to show a similar thing, like the 'helmet' is more of a 'face-plate' that engulfs the face of the wearer, not the entire head.

Liking it.

-Chris

Quote from: Cvalda on Jan 11, 2012, 02:51:23 AM

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 11, 2012, 02:49:38 AM
I'm not seeing any image.

Fixed  :P

Hilarious!

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Beautiful photo to compare it with.  I like how they kept the indentations on the side of the skull in the new one, but the Prometheus skull does look smaller.  Perhaps the "extended" part of the skull we see in ALIEN is really part of the chair, like a head rest that blends into the rest of the jockey's face.

For those who haven't seen it, there is an interesting comment on the original post from cinemart:

"I'm the source for the article and I can confirm that the 'prop' was from the upcoming film 'Prometheus' and was described, several times by the owner as being the new Alien (and not the space jockey). It looked amazing, honest. I'm still hoping to get the image at some point this week. fingers crossed."

Hmmm...

-Chris

So is this really the Jockey or not?

another critter?

That comment right there discredits this joker. We KNOW what that is...we've seen it in ALIEN, and the teaser for Prometheus. Someone is being willingly naive.

Nothing much more to say about it.

I wonder why Jockies would facerape things with their trunk


I never thought of it as being a genital.. :-X

Quote from: Cvalda on Jan 11, 2012, 02:48:10 AM
I'm going to be completely evil and just throw this out there:
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Best thing since Sloth jumping from the ceiling lol :D

It all seemed legitimate until he said it wasn't the Space Jockey.

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Shit it looks like jedi master Plo Koon my avatar.  :P

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 11, 2012, 03:20:21 AM
That comment right there discredits this joker. We KNOW what that is...we've seen it in ALIEN, and the teaser for Prometheus. Someone is being willingly naive.

Nothing much more to say about it.

Bazinga! Neat sculpture though. A joker with talented friends.

-Chris

From the first picture there seems to be a human skull pushed to the back of the head. Exactly like the space jockey from alien. The space Jockey was an alien so maybe by "the alien" he really means the space Jockey... did anyone ask the source if he knew what the space Jockey was. :P

Although since there are supposed to be no xenomorphs as we know them in Prometheus the space jockey could be the alien. Maybe this is the juvenile stage of the space Jockey alien too. Eventually shedding it's skin.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 11, 2012, 06:28:53 AM
From the first picture there seems to be a human skull pushed to the back of the head. Exactly like the space jockey from alien. The space Jockey was an alien so maybe by "the alien" he really means the space Jockey... did anyone ask the source if he knew what the space Jockey was. :P

That's what I think. Besides the design is not 100% the same as the one seen in Alien. So technically it's a 'new' 'Alien'. I guess they could call it anything really.

Quote from: ikarop on Jan 11, 2012, 06:53:56 AM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 11, 2012, 06:28:53 AM
From the first picture there seems to be a human skull pushed to the back of the head. Exactly like the space jockey from alien. The space Jockey was an alien so maybe by "the alien" he really means the space Jockey... did anyone ask the source if he knew what the space Jockey was. :P

That's what I think. Besides the design is not 100% the same as the one see in Alien. So technically it's a 'new' 'Alien'. I guess they could call it anything really.

Well that's why I was kind of thinking in the second part of my post that maybe this smaller space jockey looking head could be the chestburster stage. Latter on growing to full space jockey size including the more elongated(alien) head we see in the original space jockey from alien. Though I severally doubt that is the case.

However now the thing in the jar and the new space jockey face looks connected. Maybe as in the alien really is completely different from the classic xenomorph. The thing in the jar could attach to a humans faces and then discard the human bits. ala the way the human skull looks pushed off to the side as if about to be discarded from the creature if given enough time.

Worst yet, perhaps the jockey is the next stage of human evolution or if willing to take it to the ancient astronaut loony bin, the jockey are the humans that skipped town during the fall of Atlantis and we run into them in prometheus. Actually scratch that, this theory would be lame. :P

Not convinced this is the real deal. Take this with a HUGE
grain of salt. I can tell you there were numerous people
who wanted work on the sculpturing/creature effects unit who
weren't picked but *were* able to work elsewhere on the production.

The creature effects unit is under(naturally) super strict ndas. It's
called if you leak designs, basically forget working in the industry
again type strict.

Again what you are most likely looking at is someone's quick take/lobby
for a position on the creature effects crew who didn't get in.

:)

i also have serious doubts about this, we need some kind of confirmation beyond; what a friend said.

This is just the helmet of the enginner

i doubt this is real. Theres a seam line going right down the center of this thing! I don't think the team for a movie like this would be that sloppy. Also the pictures look like they were taken in someones basement workshop. Taking this with a pound of salt.

None of this is confirmed however... it usually ends up being true more times than not.

In which case it is fun to speculate. I mean they could be nice enough to throw us a bone every now and then so we might as well chew on it a bit.  ;)

Fake or not, I'm still liking it.

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Looks like it's smiling, which is a bit disconcerting. A good job, either way.

-Chris

Could Ridley be trolling us? Ok sure what we see in alien, the space jockey, that's a suit... however just because it's a suit doesn't mean the damn things helmet couldn't be missing.

When we get leaked images... as good as this... they tend to be legitimate (even if only at basic design stage).

Well, this "head" wouldn't be that hard to replicate.

If what they describe as being tru then wouldn't that mean the facehugger is somethign created for many uses by the space jockey race. We know the facehugger supplies oxygen via an oral tube.

Now i always assumed the facehugger was created for the purpose of delivering the xeno. What if the space jockey has many many many different uses for them. Originaly created as an oxygen delivery system which they later expanded from.

looks like a mesh of some sort.

could be the one of the very first meshes to show Ridley how they want it to look ?

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Quote from: ikarop on Jan 11, 2012, 06:53:56 AM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 11, 2012, 06:28:53 AM
From the first picture there seems to be a human skull pushed to the back of the head. Exactly like the space jockey from alien. The space Jockey was an alien so maybe by "the alien" he really means the space Jockey... did anyone ask the source if he knew what the space Jockey was. :P

That's what I think. Besides the design is not 100% the same as the one seen in Alien. So technically it's a 'new' 'Alien'. I guess they could call it anything really.

Its probably the space jockey, but seen as this is a few years since they made Alien they might have wanted to change the jockeys appearance abit.

Quote from: Space Jockey King on Jan 11, 2012, 02:09:45 PM
looks like a mesh of some sort.

could be the one of the very first meshes to show Ridley how they want it to look ?

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Quote from: ikarop on Jan 11, 2012, 06:53:56 AM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 11, 2012, 06:28:53 AM
From the first picture there seems to be a human skull pushed to the back of the head. Exactly like the space jockey from alien. The space Jockey was an alien so maybe by "the alien" he really means the space Jockey... did anyone ask the source if he knew what the space Jockey was. :P

That's what I think. Besides the design is not 100% the same as the one seen in Alien. So technically it's a 'new' 'Alien'. I guess they could call it anything really.

Its probably the space jockey, but seen as this is a few years since they made Alien they might have wanted to change the jockeys appearance abit.

Indeed. I was just commenting on source's "clarification". It seems quite obvious that it is the Space Jockey. Regardless of whatever production/script name that may have been used for it.

When they say the mask looks smaller and more human like  im guessing this is where actors like Ian Whyte come in.

The insider also said the creature featured in PROMETHEUS has been executed with very little CGI planned

Probebly the only special effects used for the creature will be exagerating the actors actual size.

Im suprised FOX havent taken the pictures down if this is legit.

I do like the sculpt. I might sculpt a head tbis weekend. Love the look of the SJ!

Bri

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 11, 2012, 03:20:21 AM
That comment right there discredits this joker. We KNOW what that is...we've seen it in ALIEN, and the teaser for Prometheus. Someone is being willingly naive.

Nothing much more to say about it.

you are right. even before seeing all the trailer-footage (and the jockey chair pics), we knew already that the jockey will be in it.

this line makes it even more obscure:

QuoteThis was described quite clearly several times by, let's call him, Agent X, as the 'alien' which appears in the flick. The 'DNA' traces are very clear whether this is a new monster with human, xenomorph and Space Jockey mixed up together... who knows?

i don't think that they even knew what the hell they're talking about.
poor journalism, but at least we got the pic.

to me the reason why it looks slightly different than the head in the trailer is that it's a living one and not a sculpture or a fossilized one.

and why does it not look like giger's jockey, you might ask...
giger stated in the making of... alien, that he never was finished with the design, so it is legit that it has now some differences (30 years later). new artists = newer updated version of a vision.

i see a space jockey in that pic and nothing else. no facehugger tail (even i theorized it in a thread, several months ago), no xenomorph dna. it has a humanoid look yes, but the first jockey had also a humanoid head, arms & hands.

by the way: who were that asshole who leaked the space jockey?  :laugh:
i never could do that to scott, fox or any other financial backer.

Something that always fascinated me was wondering how the SJ became impregnated in the first place. Be like a facehugger trying to impregnate an elephant. Suprised knowone has mentioned that in the original ALIEN 'that' trunk is connected directly to the creatures chest, so I can't imagine how it is anything to do with a hugger or the green goop from those Urns. Just me?
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Looks Like space jockey to me
Seems like the one been scanned in the trailer

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I agree with Taxemic above - hadn't thought of that.

How does a facehugger impregnate a jockey when the size and general physicality is different?

The facehuggers are clearly designed and intended for humans.

Quote from: jezworld on Jan 11, 2012, 05:17:12 PM
The facehuggers are clearly designed and intended for humans.

No, just something with a mouth. 'Hugger had no problem leaping on a dog/ox snout.

Quote from: jezworld on Jan 11, 2012, 05:17:12 PM
I agree with Taxemic above - hadn't thought of that.

How does a facehugger impregnate a jockey when the size and general physicality is different?

The facehuggers are clearly designed and intended for humans.

It (engineer/advanced humanoid) was most likely impregnated before it merged with the suit/space jockey outfit.

May be there was face hugger hiding in his suit.   :o :laugh:

Fox hasn't requested them to be taken down because nothing is being revealed really. We know these guys are in the film.

On looking at the images I refered back to the screen grab of David taking the green item out of the urn. There is a striking resemblance between the two. if someone could put together the two images together? I wonder if David discovers the early atage of facehugger during this scene.

Bri

Only problem I have with this pictures is, that they don´t show the quality of sculpt which would be usual for a multi million flick production.

Fox have just sent me a removal notice for the image.

And yeah, this is most likely what the Engineer wears. It's part of the suit.

Only logical theory at the moment to me would be that Noomi will get pregnant and she will get in the suit or something and the thing she will give birth to is the thing that rips out of the jockey from LV 426 therefor making the jockey in Alien in fact Noomi.
But then again naahh.

Probably one of the humans will sabotage the derelict and put a squid in the back of the jockey´s container/backpack and then in a scene Noomi asks Charlize why is the derelict crashing and Charlize says because i put something in his backpack and winks to the camera and the end.

on watching the latest trailer release ,you u see the jockeys head on a scanner this could also be a biomechanic helmet/see film to find out ? as it also shows the ships navigation device/gun call it what you want rotate and set up on the  deck minus pilot ,,i feel we are the jockey and part of the new weapon life form. as the jockey could be dna based and parasitic using hosts. taking over much like the alien itself to create new life .to use as its own to build shit.esentially live forever then discard
you also see what could possibly be the embryonic/molecular dna growth stage,,, face hugger being lifted from the urn pause and you can definitly see air sacks and tail .also the people being infected have biomechanic tubes,conduit etc under their skin two scenes in trailer this may lead to the formation of what is known in alien as the beast itself thus the science boffins inadvetantly changing the way its been developing by contaminating said urn by breaching not only the ship but the urns themselve

and lastly the bannana ship is shown at the end

It's been established that Prometheus will neither feature the original derelict nor will it lead directly into alien. It's been said officially over and over and over.

Quote from: Darkness on Jan 11, 2012, 06:50:33 PM
Fox have just sent me a removal notice for the image.

I guess that settles it for authenticity.

Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 11, 2012, 07:17:08 PM

Quote from: Darkness on Jan 11, 2012, 06:50:33 PM
Fox have just sent me a removal notice for the image.

I guess that settles it for authenticity.

OH YEAH!!!!!! *does space jockey dance*

what have i missed?


Oh sorry, I've seen the head from two angles in an earlier post, well that's the same as the head in the scanner in the trailer At least the old space jockey will always look interesting. I never really wanted to see a space jockey with an elephant trunk

Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jan 11, 2012, 08:03:27 PM
what have i missed?


Oh sorry, I've seen the head from two angles in an earlier post, well that's the same as the head in the scanner in the trailer At least the old space jockey will always look interesting.

I`m affraid this time insted of brilliantly looking Jockey we`ll get big pale bald human.... I hope it`s not just a suit!

This:

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Has been reduced to:

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Plus this:

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That was definitely worth the 30 year wait.

Quote from: Master on Jan 11, 2012, 08:13:57 PM

I`m affraid this time insted of brilliantly looking Jockey we`ll get big pale bald human.... I hope it`s not just a suit!

well, if there's something using the Space Jockey as a suit, it's still the exterior of the thing  that was called the Space Jockey.

Still when it removes this suit, it going to be just bald guy...

Quote from: Master on Jan 11, 2012, 08:47:45 PM
Still when it removes this suit, it going to be just bald guy...

who knows, there might be more than one person inside


well, I've always known that the thing that they labeled as the "The Space Jockey" was in fact a brilliant hollow sculpture

Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jan 11, 2012, 08:44:18 PM
well, if there's something using the Space Jockey as a suit, it's still the exterior of the thing  that was called the Space Jockey.

Like this?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bellydanceforums.net%2Fattachments%2Fdance-costumes%2F4930d1318742462-thought-provoking-belly-dance-costumes-tpbdc-part-ii-freaky.jpg&hash=5beb4f5a981ebc549b4499f877388d603fd5acfe)

Yaaaaay.

Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 11, 2012, 08:59:04 PM

Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jan 11, 2012, 08:44:18 PM
well, if there's something using the Space Jockey as a suit, it's still the exterior of the thing  that was called the Space Jockey.

Like this?
http://www.bellydanceforums.net/attachments/dance-costumes/4930d1318742462-thought-provoking-belly-dance-costumes-tpbdc-part-ii-freaky.jpg

Yaaaaay.

I have no idea what they decided to name this thing

But the fact is that super looking monster became man in suit... completly f**king up great idea for film.

Quote from: Master on Jan 11, 2012, 09:08:08 PM
But the fact is that super looking monster became man in suit... completly f**king up great idea for film.

Indeed, I suppose it will no longer be "the space jockey"

Do you guys think the pale guy on the right will wear this mask/helmet and enter the space jockey chair becoming the space jockey as we know it. The chair is empty and i know parts of this has been discussed but it just popped into my head so i had to post it lol.

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lol so if the blue guy is a Space Jockey without a suit and if he puts the masks on he puts on his rape mask? ???

When I look at Snow Dog's post that has both the lightened picture of the bald engineer...person from the trailer and the photo of the latex space jockey head, it's hard not to conclude it's a suit. Seeing them together in the same post made me aware of a few clear things: 1) It appears the bald guy is wearing some kind of biomechanical suit in the below picture. 2) He's huge! He is big enough to fit in the chair, 3) the chair is empty, 4) He has very slanted eye sockets, 5) So does latex jockey 'head'.

Now that it has been retconned to have a smaller cranium it looks like it would fit perfectly on his head, match his eyes and his suit.

I don't want it to be true but honestly there is no denying that even when you take a seminal director back to his original work 20 or more years later, he changes it in ways we did want. George Lucas aside, Steven Speildberg has done it too. Don't be surprised if this eventual Blade Runner prequel/sequel project messes with the world of the original in ways that the fans do not approve of. It's inevitable.

Quote from: Snowdog on Jan 11, 2012, 10:17:42 PM
Do you guys think the pale guy on the right will wear this mask/helmet and enter the space jockey chair becoming the space jockey as we know it. The chair is empty and i know parts of this has been discussed but it just popped into my head so i had to post it lol.

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May the midi-chlorians be with you.

[and us all]

There is no way that is a mask.  It would be just so, well....stupid!  Why would a being that has some futuristic looking biomechanical body suit put on something that looks like an organic/fleshy second skin as a face mask?  That would be like me all decked out in hockey gear putting on a couple of slices of mortadella on my head and calling it a face mask.   At least have something more technologicically advanced.  Seriously, why would you, as a being with a nose, a mouth, ears and eyes out on something that is just another version of a nose, a mouth....?  To what end?  How does he put it on, like those old wrestling masks the Killer Bees used to wear--tying it with strings at the back? ;) Just because Ridley says that the Space Jockey wears a suit, it doesn't mean that this head we see here has to be a mask, or that there will be no real alien presence in the film apart from a humanoid in disguise.  At the risk of being proven wrong, this, to me, is a legitimate being in its own right.

I hope.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling any speculations stupid.  I'm just saying if Ridley did this, to me, it would be pretty far fetched.  But I would wait to see the film first, of course!

Maybe the "mask" is a protective means against face huggers...

Quote from: Snowdog on Jan 11, 2012, 10:17:42 PM
Do you guys think the pale guy on the right will wear this mask/helmet and enter the space jockey chair becoming the space jockey as we know it. The chair is empty and i know parts of this has been discussed but it just popped into my head so i had to post it lol.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi865.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab213%2Fnike521%2Fpro6.jpg&hash=dd2e39813e392af143c9b55fcab2aa590a4baa9b)

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That's kind of what I suspected... I wrote this up in another thread...

QuoteHi guys, long time lurker, new poster. Personally, I like the idea that the tall blue guy is part of a flashback scene on another ship (the derelict from Alien) and he is the 'Prometheus' of the film. He somehow gives a life secret, the power to evolve or possibly leads the humans along the path that in the future initiates the exploration journey to the ampule room. He is humanoid in appearance and betrays the higher beings. As part of his punishment he is put into the space jockey chair and is crashed on LV-426.

I have done a lot of forum reading but has anyone else made this connection?...

Prometheus, is a Titan, who stole fire from Zeus and gave it to mortals. Zeus then punished him for his crime by having him bound to a rock while a great eagle ate his liver every day only to have it grow back to be eaten again the next day.

The space jockey is fossilised on a rock planet and has a gaping whole in his chest, perhaps it wasn't a chestbuster all along?

Anyway, all fan speculation looking for film links that probably don't exist. It's good fun though.

I still think when Ridley said suit he meant it; BUT the helmet is MISSING.

The original jockey's mouth is open - extended as if making a final scream. The jaw doesn't look human, quite elongated infact.

I'll be surprised if the humanoid is the jockey.

The jockey isn't the only new alien form in the movie, anyone who saw the first leaked trailer will remember the slithering silver creature that made a flashing appearance.   And of course, the *ahem* mysterious space cat  :)

Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Jan 12, 2012, 01:20:37 AM
The original jockey's mouth is open - extended as if making a final scream. The jaw doesn't look human, quite elongated infact.

I'll be surprised if the humanoid is the jockey.

The jockey isn't the only new alien form in the movie, anyone who saw the first leaked trailer will remember the slithering silver creature that made a flashing appearance.   And of course, the *ahem* mysterious space cat  :)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg804.imageshack.us%2Fimg804%2F738%2F234v.png&hash=152342027396d9cf9d9e220c6d98cf49c157e100)

Oh and don't forget about this.

A rock....

QuoteHi guys, long time lurker, new poster. Personally, I like the idea that the tall blue guy is part of a flashback scene on another ship (the derelict from Alien) and he is the 'Prometheus' of the film. He somehow gives a life secret, the power to evolve or possibly leads the humans along the path that in the future initiates the exploration journey to the ampule room. He is humanoid in appearance and betrays the higher beings. As part of his punishment he is put into the space jockey chair and is crashed on LV-426.

I have done a lot of forum reading but has anyone else made this connection?...

Prometheus, is a Titan, who stole fire from Zeus and gave it to mortals. Zeus then punished him for his crime by having him bound to a rock while a great eagle ate his liver every day only to have it grow back to be eaten again the next day.

The space jockey is fossilised on a rock planet and has a gaping whole in his chest, perhaps it wasn't a chestbuster all along?

Anyway, all fan speculation looking for film links that probably don't exist. It's good fun though.

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Wouldn't that be an awesome suprise? If it wasn't even a chestburster. If there is one thing that we all feel like we know, it's that the jockey got impregnated with the xenomorphs we all know and love. That would be a fun turn.

On a totally seperate note: I think there is a fair bit of retconning going on here and I think some of the discrepencies people are noticing in how the planet (exterior) looks, the walls and sculptural features of the ship and the shape of the chair/space jockey head/mask are all due to some redesign rather than an elaborate 2nd planet/ship/jockey storyline. I think these are all the same places from alien. That's just me.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 12, 2012, 01:34:35 AM

Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Jan 12, 2012, 01:20:37 AM
The original jockey's mouth is open - extended as if making a final scream. The jaw doesn't look human, quite elongated infact.

I'll be surprised if the humanoid is the jockey.

The jockey isn't the only new alien form in the movie, anyone who saw the first leaked trailer will remember the slithering silver creature that made a flashing appearance.   And of course, the *ahem* mysterious space cat  :)

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/738/234v.png

Oh and don't forget about this.

Sorry, but that's what I call overlooking into things, to be honest.

Quote from: Jenga on Jan 12, 2012, 01:37:08 AM

QuoteHi guys, long time lurker, new poster. Personally, I like the idea that the tall blue guy is part of a flashback scene on another ship (the derelict from Alien) and he is the 'Prometheus' of the film. He somehow gives a life secret, the power to evolve or possibly leads the humans along the path that in the future initiates the exploration journey to the ampule room. He is humanoid in appearance and betrays the higher beings. As part of his punishment he is put into the space jockey chair and is crashed on LV-426.

I have done a lot of forum reading but has anyone else made this connection?...

Prometheus, is a Titan, who stole fire from Zeus and gave it to mortals. Zeus then punished him for his crime by having him bound to a rock while a great eagle ate his liver every day only to have it grow back to be eaten again the next day.

The space jockey is fossilised on a rock planet and has a gaping whole in his chest, perhaps it wasn't a chestbuster all along?

Anyway, all fan speculation looking for film links that probably don't exist. It's good fun though.

Wouldn't that be an awesome suprise? If it wasn't even a chestburster. If there is one thing that we all feel like we know, it's that the jockey got impregnated with the xenomorphs we all know and love. That would be a fun turn.

On a totally seperate note: I think there is a fair bit of retconning going on here and I think some of the discrepencies people are noticing in how the planet (exterior) looks, the walls and sculptural features of the ship and the shape of the chair/space jockey head/mask are all due to some redesign rather than an elaborate 2nd planet/ship/jockey storyline. I think these are all the same places from alien. That's just me.

I'm surprisingly not feeling as angry as I would be if this were true.  Though really, besides a small head, which could potentially be explained, there's really not much difference in the jockey head.

Quote from: BioMechanical on Jan 11, 2012, 12:02:14 AM
Now just imagine.. The space jockey's show up near the planet that needs it resources plundered. They launch, not nukes, but these eggs and Xenomorphs AND GOD KNOWS WHAT THE HELL ELSE ON TO IT. Then, when most of the planet is cleared, they touch down in these bio-weapon- suits and use them to slaughter, as well as to impregnate the locals.  :P Now, to me this seems even more sick and grotesque than the alien and face hugger combined.

I hope you realise this would be the easiest global domination strategy in the world for even a 20th century military to defend against? ;)

Seriously... Something which needs physical contact to kill? It would take a ridiculously long period of time to even clear a few miles of targets - all the while, the defenders are happily killing it from range.

Then there's the matter of the fleshy eggs not really able to be launched through an atmosphere, on account of catching fire from the atmospheric friction...

I mean, I'm assuming the 'launching nukes' part is out of the equation, because there wouldn't be much left in the way of uncontaminated resources if you're doing that. Unless you're thinking just partial atomic devastation? But that'd only be sure to invite massive retaliation from whatever hundreds of thousands of military bases are left.

QuoteI think it's going to be a real surprise when the audience sees the humanoid engineer in the movie walking around on it's own, there not going to be expecting this being and the jockey to be one in the same. Then for the engineer to press a button, suit comes out of the wall and then the engineer merges with it. Holly f**k! That is going to be the coolest scene in the whole movie!

I think the engineer's might even have more tricks up it's sleeve. I think you will see some Transformers style stuff in this. I know that might not sit well with a lot of you, but you have to admit.. Transformers did make a lot of money. :laugh:

Not only is this movie going to show this new type of creature and what it can do. But to know it's going to be controlled by a more advanced version of ourselves is even more demented! In a good way I should say.  8)

Also this is not it. We are going to see an array of creatures in this. We're talking the engineers entire bio-mechanical technology. And there arsenal.

So, you're saying you want a repeat of the original 'Stargate' movie?

I can seriously think of a lot more interesting things which could've been portrayed if that's where this is heading.

Quote from: kaustin7 on Jan 11, 2012, 01:44:54 AM
I have to agree with some of the earlier posts and the original topic...I never connected the trunk of the SJ as a potential proto-facehugger...but it makes sense in some of the speculative contexts.

In all honesty, it was one of the first ever things which crossed my mind when I initially saw it. But then I realise that didn't make sense because the 'tail' is fused to the ribs instead of wrapped around neck and that the things scurry away from a victim when the deed has been done.

I figured it was just Giger doing some design foreshadowing.

Quote from: Taxemic on Jan 11, 2012, 04:01:35 PM
Something that always fascinated me was wondering how the SJ became impregnated in the first place. Be like a facehugger trying to impregnate an elephant.

As has been mentioned, it had no problem with a canine.

I really hope that this is just going to be a representation of the Space Jockey walking around.

Because, if not, it means that Ridley Scott genuinely thinks seeing that as the threat would be somehow scarier than a fully-realised version of something like this (http://th04.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2010/241/a/2/alien___h_r__giger_pitch___by_adonihs-d2xjobm.jpg).

Can somebody post the picture from the AVPR troophy room (the good one)? I read somewhere in the forum that there is a skull of a jockey as well and Strausses indeed confirmed that the skull belongs to jockey.
PS I do solely realise that AVPR couldn't be considered as a reference etc. but ...just for fun let's compare it as well :)

Quote from: Jenga on Jan 11, 2012, 10:27:25 PM1) It appears the bald guy is wearing some kind of biomechanical suit in the below picture. 2) He's huge! He is big enough to fit in the chair

I don't think so. He may be big, but he is half the size of the original Jockey. The chair is far too big for him, ergo the Space Jockey is something else entirely.

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-Chris

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Quote from: Taxemic on Jan 11, 2012, 04:01:35 PM
Something that always fascinated me was wondering how the SJ became impregnated in the first place. Be like a facehugger trying to impregnate an elephant.

As has been mentioned, it had no problem with a canine.

I really hope that this is just going to be a representation of the Space Jockey walking around.

Because, if not, it means that Ridley Scott genuinely thinks seeing that as the threat would be somehow scarier than a fully-realised version of something like this (http://th04.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2010/241/a/2/alien___h_r__giger_pitch___by_adonihs-d2xjobm.jpg).

Yeah but I never said that a facehugger wouldn't have an issue impregnating an animal in similar size and appearance to a human, although it did leave scars all over the dogs face suggesting less complications when impregnating human beings. Maybe even something as big as an Ox. But come on man, I said elephant, And the ones I've seen are bigger than rottweilers...and ox's. And my main reason for using an elephant as an example was that they have a trunk, ala space jockey style. Ok, so maybe it's a suit and the hugger impregnated whatever was inside first but I never assumed this from watching ALIEN. I'm personally not too keen on the idea. But I was just saying that since the first time watching ALIEN many moons ago I have wondered how a facehugger can bypass a trunk and successfully impregnate a creature of that size and shape, unless the hugger was considerably bigger than the ones we've seen.

FOX had the pictures taken down? hmm, interesting.

I don't think people are asking the right questions here.

1) It's not the same Space Jockey.

2) We don't actually know what a Space Jockey is.

3) We don't know what that chair is for - It could be a chair that turns you into something else.

Although very interesting , I don't think there's much point comparing Alien to Prometheus at this minute.

UNLESS we are being told little fibs and this IS the same Space Jockey.

I'm kinda worried about people talking about this thing as though it actually has an elephant trunk, and as though that isn't the most ridiculous thing that's ever been concieved by anyone, let alone an artist like Scott. 

If any species in this film has an elephant trunk, how on Earth is anybody going to take this film seriously? A trunk? You literally have to be joking.  Did anybody see the representation of the "elephant trunk" in the aliens comic, "The alien", by John Arcudi? (see Aliens Omnibus, vol 1, p 383).  Have a look at that thing. That's awful.  One of the worst creature designs I've ever seen.  This simply can't work.  I've seen so many 'Pilot species' artists renditions, and every one of them looks like a total joke, and doesn't make any sense - EXCEPT the ones you see in the original Giger design paintings, in which you see humanoids, wearing masks, with a very clear breathing apparatus, NOT a trunk.  (Have a look: http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5o9w6pWoh1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg (http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5o9w6pWoh1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg) )
Noses don't have bones in them, they're soft flesh.  If the creature had an elephant trunk, it wouldn't fossilize like that, unless it was made of solid bone, in which case, it wouldn't be able to move at all.  How could a non-movable, bony elephant trunk possibly be an evolutionary advantage?  It simply can't be, think about it. 

I'm not at all convinced that the actual creature has a physical trunk attached to it, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever, from an artists prespective (ie, that this film should be taken seriously, and should be frightening at least to some degree) or even from a pseudo-scientific perspective. 

You can actually see, if you look close enough at the images, that it has two layers - the bit with the trunk looks to me like a covering of some description.  Look at the edge with the jaw, and then how the actual top bit is layered over.  He's probably wearing breathing apparatus.  That's how it looks to me. 

Quote from: AncientPred on Jan 12, 2012, 11:20:15 AM
FOX had the pictures taken down? hmm, interesting.

:) So we have a proof that they were not fakes...

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 12, 2012, 06:06:11 AM

Quote from: Jenga on Jan 11, 2012, 10:27:25 PM1) It appears the bald guy is wearing some kind of biomechanical suit in the below picture. 2) He's huge! He is big enough to fit in the chair

I don't think so. He may be big, but he is half the size of the original Jockey. The chair is far too big for him, ergo the Space Jockey is something else entirely.

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/SJ_Arms.jpg

-Chris

The spacejockey from ALIEN was a suit,with the suit on he would fit in the chair,why do you think this thread was started,the leaked pictures of the spacejockey head is a helmet.

It has been stated many times that it's a suit.

Quote from: Neon_Knight on Jan 12, 2012, 12:29:07 PM
I'm kinda worried about people talking about this thing as though it actually has an elephant trunk, and as though that isn't the most ridiculous thing that's ever been concieved by anyone, let alone an artist like Scott. 

If any species in this film has an elephant trunk, how on Earth is anybody going to take this film seriously? A trunk? You literally have to be joking.  Did anybody see the representation of the "elephant trunk" in the aliens comic, "The alien", by John Arcudi? (see Aliens Omnibus, vol 1, p 383).  Have a look at that thing. That's awful.  One of the worst creature designs I've ever seen.  This simply can't work.  I've seen so many 'Pilot species' artists renditions, and every one of them looks like a total joke, and doesn't make any sense - EXCEPT the ones you see in the original Giger design paintings, in which you see humanoids, wearing masks, with a very clear breathing apparatus, NOT a trunk.  (Have a look: http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5o9w6pWoh1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg (http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5o9w6pWoh1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg) )
Noses don't have bones in them, they're soft flesh.  If the creature had an elephant trunk, it wouldn't fossilize like that, unless it was made of solid bone, in which case, it wouldn't be able to move at all.  How could a non-movable, bony elephant trunk possibly be an evolutionary advantage?  It simply can't be, think about it. 

I'm not at all convinced that the actual creature has a physical trunk attached to it, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever, from an artists prespective (ie, that this film should be taken seriously, and should be frightening at least to some degree) or even from a pseudo-scientific perspective. 

You can actually see, if you look close enough at the images, that it has two layers - the bit with the trunk looks to me like a covering of some description.  Look at the edge with the jaw, and then how the actual top bit is layered over.  He's probably wearing breathing apparatus.  That's how it looks to me.

And you can also see, if you look closely enough at this image, that it kinda does resemble a baby elephant. Does when I look at it anyway. Just saying...
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Quote from: Neon_Knight on Jan 12, 2012, 12:29:07 PM
  (Have a look: http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5o9w6pWoh1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg (http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5o9w6pWoh1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg) )

well, that painting by Giger shows the alien victim during the time they hadn't decided to make the victim resemble that of the space jockey's race, but indeed the space jockey remains show a pipe going into the nasal cavity rather than an elephant trunk like thing extending from it.

Im tellen ya that hose or trunk is part of a face hugger or proto face hugger u can even see the fingers right below the eyes

I'll be honest mate, I'm not seeing that. It's definitely not a facehugger IMO.

Quote from: EXTERMINATUS on Jan 12, 2012, 01:30:01 PM
Im tellen ya that hose or trunk is part of a face hugger or proto face hugger u can even see the fingers right below the eyes

so it is possible that the fossilized jockey in alien is a creature in suit with fossilized facehugger on it's face...no trunk, just facehuggers tail.

A facehugger? Really??! People really want to see what they want to see (including me).

Quote from: Xenomoron on Jan 12, 2012, 12:20:36 AM
There is no way that is a mask.  It would be just so, well....stupid!  Why would a being that has some futuristic looking biomechanical body suit put on something that looks like an organic/fleshy second skin as a face mask?  That would be like me all decked out in hockey gear putting on a couple of slices of mortadella on my head and calling it a face mask.   At least have something more technologicically advanced.  Seriously, why would you, as a being with a nose, a mouth, ears and eyes out on something that is just another version of a nose, a mouth....?  To what end?  How does he put it on, like those old wrestling masks the Killer Bees used to wear--tying it with strings at the back? ;) Just because Ridley says that the Space Jockey wears a suit, it doesn't mean that this head we see here has to be a mask, or that there will be no real alien presence in the film apart from a humanoid in disguise.  At the risk of being proven wrong, this, to me, is a legitimate being in its own right.

I hope.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling any speculations stupid.  I'm just saying if Ridley did this, to me, it would be pretty far fetched.  But I would wait to see the film first, of course!

I think you misread it. They only said it's a prosthetic mask designed specifically for an actor to wear. Pretty much like any other Predator, River Ghost, etc... creature prosthetic masks. The SJ could be a suit as suggested in previous interviews. But it's neither confirmed, denied or suggested by these pictures. It could be anything.

I think the bald giant and the jockey are not the same beings.
Probably enemy's the decapitated jockey doesnt make any sense i think the jockey's are the advanced race and the giant guy/race is after what they got.

I don't think it is a facehugger as we know it. The face hugger design could of been originaly thought up to supply oxygen to the wearer (but later used as a bio weapon delivery system. We all know the facehugger keeps the victim alive when its planting its seed. What if the space jockey suit is part facehugger in the sense its more of an oxygen feeding device to the wearer.

You have the humanoid face with the attached "facehugger" (to provide oxygen) and then on top of that you have an outer skeleton for protection.

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Quote from: locusta on Jan 11, 2012, 06:49:13 PM
Only problem I have with this pictures is, that they don´t show the quality of sculpt which would be usual for a multi million flick production.

its prob a prototype testing the mold and casting methods

Quote from: nendo on Jan 12, 2012, 02:01:45 PM
I don't think it is a facehugger as we know it. The face hugger design could of been originaly thought up to supply oxygen to the wearer (but later used as a bio weapon delivery system. We all know the facehugger keeps the victim alive when its planting its seed. What if the space jockey suit is part facehugger in the sense its more of an oxygen feeding device to the wearer.

You have the humanoid face with the attached "facehugger" (to provide oxygen) and then on top of that you have an outer skeleton for protection.

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Quote from: locusta on Jan 11, 2012, 06:49:13 PM
Only problem I have with this pictures is, that they don´t show the quality of sculpt which would be usual for a multi million flick production.

its prob a prototype testing the mold and casting methods

Damn dude that is a pretty nice theory you got there :) Would be cool to see that. Also explains the Jockey from alien. Wrong facehugger strapped on ? :laugh: :laugh:

Quote from: ikarop on Jan 12, 2012, 01:57:47 PM

Quote from: Xenomoron on Jan 12, 2012, 12:20:36 AM
There is no way that is a mask.  It would be just so, well....stupid!  Why would a being that has some futuristic looking biomechanical body suit put on something that looks like an organic/fleshy second skin as a face mask?  That would be like me all decked out in hockey gear putting on a couple of slices of mortadella on my head and calling it a face mask.   At least have something more technologicically advanced.  Seriously, why would you, as a being with a nose, a mouth, ears and eyes out on something that is just another version of a nose, a mouth....?  To what end?  How does he put it on, like those old wrestling masks the Killer Bees used to wear--tying it with strings at the back? ;) Just because Ridley says that the Space Jockey wears a suit, it doesn't mean that this head we see here has to be a mask, or that there will be no real alien presence in the film apart from a humanoid in disguise.  At the risk of being proven wrong, this, to me, is a legitimate being in its own right.

I hope.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling any speculations stupid.  I'm just saying if Ridley did this, to me, it would be pretty far fetched.  But I would wait to see the film first, of course!

I think you misread it. They only said it's a prosthetic mask designed specifically for an actor to wear. Pretty much like any other Predator, River Ghost, etc... creature prosthetic masks. The SJ could be a suit as suggested in previous interviews. But it's neither confirmed, denied or suggested by these pictures. It could be anything.

I think we have some confusion over the definition of a Space Jockey.

Is the Space Jockey the Biomechanical suit as seen in the ampule room photos, or is the Space Jockey the alien creature that wears the suit, or is the space jockey the big blue bald guy in the trailer?

Obviously the new images look very much like the image in the trailer of the head/helmet being scanned.  Same basic shape, but in my opinion the head object being scanned is too large for an actor to wear as a prosthetic creature mask.  I think it's the actual biomechanical helmet for the biomechanical suit laying in the ampule room.

The new images are supposedly a prosthetic creature mask for an actor to wear who is portraying an alien creature (not the Xeno Alien).  I think this is the true face of the alien who wears the biomechanical suit.

So...

New head images + Actor = Alien species
Helmet being scanned + torso and legs in ampule room = Biomechanical suit that above alien wears

Big blue bald guy = something else..  The Engineer/God being who created humans and above alien species.

My opinion of course.

@ Mustangjeff:

to me it doesn't make much sense that the alien inside the suit, looks exactly (or with a subtle change) like the suit.
do astronauts look like a space suit, when taking it off?  :laugh:

maybe the suit is deforming, after death. like the whole jockey ship, maybe...

If the SJ's seeded earth, it would just make more sense that they look like us. We are obviously not from this planet. Seems a small group of us were stranded here long ago, from whence we came the knowledge was lost, or so it seems. There is no equilibrium with us and this planet.  If you look at our whole demeanor, in how we operate, we operate on this rock like the SJ's. We are extracting as much as we can from this place and are not putting anything back.  Soon it will be time for us to move to the next rock like before.

After all, we are truly evil beings (SJ's). We only mask our evilness with religion and smiley glad hands, we all have hidden agendas. Deep down it's what I do for you, you do for me, mentality. I think this movie will show us what we will become if something doesn't change within us. But highly doubt we will deviate.

It's a bio-mecanichal suit. That should end this debate. ;) I imagine the suit forming and growing over the SJ when it sits in the chair?

Quote from: Taxemic on Jan 12, 2012, 10:21:41 AM
Yeah but I never said that a facehugger wouldn't have an issue impregnating an animal in similar size and appearance to a human, although it did leave scars all over the dogs face suggesting less complications when impregnating human beings. Maybe even something as big as an Ox. But come on man, I said elephant, And the ones I've seen are bigger than rottweilers...and ox's. And my main reason for using an elephant as an example was that they have a trunk, ala space jockey style. Ok, so maybe it's a suit and the hugger impregnated whatever was inside first but I never assumed this from watching ALIEN. I'm personally not too keen on the idea. But I was just saying that since the first time watching ALIEN many moons ago I have wondered how a facehugger can bypass a trunk and successfully impregnate a creature of that size and shape, unless the hugger was considerably bigger than the ones we've seen.

Size is really no issue. :) Like I said, a trunk wouldn't matter - it'd either just get underneath it or clamp down and push the ovipositor around one side of it.

Quote from: psychonaut25 on Jan 12, 2012, 01:35:44 PM
so it is possible that the fossilized jockey in alien is a creature in suit with fossilized facehugger on it's face...no trunk, just facehuggers tail.

That wouldn't explained why the original's alleged tail would have fused with the sternum and ribs. Or why it didn't simply scurry away when the job was done, like the one with Kane had done.

Or why legs are missing... If it hasn't got any limbs and the tail isn't being used to wrap around the neck, how is it meant to stay on and not be dislodged?

Quote from: Kol on Jan 12, 2012, 03:05:24 PM
@ Mustangjeff:

to me it doesn't make much sense that the alien inside the suit, looks exactly (or with a subtle change) like the suit.
do astronauts look like a space suit, when taking it off?  :laugh:

maybe the suit is deforming, after death. like the whole jockey ship, maybe...

True, but our space suits do have the same general shape; round head, two arms, two legs, etc.  And, we of course don't have biomechanical technology  :D  It could be a matter of form fitting function.  Our suits simply allow us to survive in a vacuum, where their suits, being partly organic and mechanical, are an extension of their body. 

To me the object being scanned is flat across the bottom with a large opening so it could go over the top of a head, while the head in the newly leaked images actually extends down into a neck that would fit on an actors head.

I figure if I speculate enough I'll have to get something right..  Maybe..

Quote from: nendo on Jan 12, 2012, 02:01:45 PM
I don't think it is a facehugger as we know it. The face hugger design could of been originaly thought up to supply oxygen to the wearer (but later used as a bio weapon delivery system. We all know the facehugger keeps the victim alive when its planting its seed. What if the space jockey suit is part facehugger in the sense its more of an oxygen feeding device to the wearer.

You have the humanoid face with the attached "facehugger" (to provide oxygen) and then on top of that you have an outer skeleton for protection.

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Quote from: locusta on Jan 11, 2012, 06:49:13 PM
Only problem I have with this pictures is, that they don´t show the quality of sculpt which would be usual for a multi million flick production.

its prob a prototype testing the mold and casting methods

Think the idea of an earlier biological mask/respirator that inspires the facehugger biological design is really interesting. I'm very much of the mind that H.R. Geiger designs many biomechanoids (as RS likes to call them) with very similar features and visual ideas. My guess is we'll never see anything as indepth as direct hinting to anything like the design progression we are discussing. I think that is the kind of conjecture that is sadly only left up to the ubernerds like us :)

As for the locusta's comment about the quality of sculpt, I disagree completely. What we are seeing here is a raw latex mask pulled right out of the mold. They would look exactly like this before they are finished and and lit. That said that is a pretty nasty parting line/seam along the nose/trunk and the sides do like somewhat mismatched but seriously, this is how a latex mask looks when pulled. Painting does more than just add a realistic color and texture, it also is used to enhance and the effect of crevices and lines in a creatures face by painting them to look deeper than they really are in the sculpt. You can't make things too deep or you will have trouble demolding.

Quote from: ikarop on Jan 12, 2012, 01:57:47 PM

Quote from: Xenomoron on Jan 12, 2012, 12:20:36 AM
There is no way that is a mask.  It would be just so, well....stupid!  Why would a being that has some futuristic looking biomechanical body suit put on something that looks like an organic/fleshy second skin as a face mask?  That would be like me all decked out in hockey gear putting on a couple of slices of mortadella on my head and calling it a face mask.   At least have something more technologicically advanced.  Seriously, why would you, as a being with a nose, a mouth, ears and eyes out on something that is just another version of a nose, a mouth....?  To what end?  How does he put it on, like those old wrestling masks the Killer Bees used to wear--tying it with strings at the back? ;) Just because Ridley says that the Space Jockey wears a suit, it doesn't mean that this head we see here has to be a mask, or that there will be no real alien presence in the film apart from a humanoid in disguise.  At the risk of being proven wrong, this, to me, is a legitimate being in its own right.

I hope.

Just to be clear, I'm not calling any speculations stupid.  I'm just saying if Ridley did this, to me, it would be pretty far fetched.  But I would wait to see the film first, of course!

I think you misread it. They only said it's a prosthetic mask designed specifically for an actor to wear. Pretty much like any other Predator, River Ghost, etc... creature prosthetic masks. The SJ could be a suit as suggested in previous interviews. But it's neither confirmed, denied or suggested by these pictures. It could be anything.

No, I was specifically talking about the ridiculousness of the  SJ "character" wearing the mask, not the actor playing the character wearing it.  All I am trying to say, since many assume the bald guy to be the jockey, is it would be pretty ridiculous if a mask he wears (if he does wear a mask) makes him look like the bust we see leaked in this thread.  Conceptually, it would make no sense for a flesh and bones mask to cover a flesh and bones face.  That's why I don't think the bald guy is the jockey.  I think that bust is a being in its own right, and not just a masked humanoid being..

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Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 12, 2012, 06:06:11 AM

Quote from: Jenga on Jan 11, 2012, 10:27:25 PM1) It appears the bald guy is wearing some kind of biomechanical suit in the below picture. 2) He's huge! He is big enough to fit in the chair

I don't think so. He may be big, but he is half the size of the original Jockey. The chair is far too big for him, ergo the Space Jockey is something else entirely.

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/SJ_Arms.jpg

-Chris

The spacejockey from ALIEN was a suit,with the suit on he would fit in the chair,why do you think this thread was started,the leaked pictures of the spacejockey head is a helmet.

It has been stated many times that it's a suit.

I know Scott has said that the original Jockey is a suit, but we don't know whether the leaked prop is a helmet or not - there isn't even consensus about whether the head in the trailer is a helmet or a skull. All evidence seems to suggest it is part of a suit, but we don't know for sure.

Just my own opinion of course, but I can't accept that the bald humanoid in the trailer can don a Jockey suit and magically double in size, which he would need to do to be even close to fitting into the chair like the original Jockey did (his arm is half the length of the originals). That's why I am saying that this bald fella, even with a Jockey helmet on, is not the same being as the Space Jockey in the original film. There are too many differences, size being just one of them.

If indeed his suit is the size of the original Jockey, then he needs a new tailor. ;)

-Chris

ARGHHHHHH!!!!

I hate the "jockey is a humanoid in a suit" concept.  Why of why Ridley did you decide this was the way to go???

IMHO, it completely demystifies the "alieness" of Giger's iconic Space Jockey.  The original Space Jockey is so surreal, and un-wordly.  I loved the blend of bio-mechanical and organic design.  I loved the concept that the Derelict ship, and "perhaps" the crew was grown rather than "built".  The twisted, unsettling imagery and question of where did the Space Jockey begin and where did it's console leave off, is pretty unique (or at least was) in all of Science-fiction.

Somehow, the concept that it is just something "in a suit", makes it so pedestrian and "terrestrial".

Of course, I hope that Ridley pulls this off, and takes this in new direction, and by NO MEANS am I writing this off.  But, as it stands now, I am not enamored with this concept.

Quote from: deuterium on Jan 12, 2012, 09:18:40 PMI hate the "jockey is a humanoid in a suit" concept.  Why of why Ridley did you decide this was the way to go???

I hate the idea as well, but for some reason have faith that Ridley understands these things and has the same level of respect for the source material as we do.

-Chris

I suppose another thing to think about is that certain entities in Giger's paintings, I assume the Necronom series as well , were supposed to be people in exoskeletons, perhaps one might think almost as protective suits, maybe Scott was somehow playing with that level of thought.


In the Longer version of "Alien Evolution" documentary Giger said said "I wanted to make something that would be somehow human but that would also be robot-like, a kind of human that is protected from all kinds of external forces, be they weapons, radiation or whatever else. Instead of having their bones on the inside, they have them, partly at least, on the outside like an exo-skeleton. I mixed these together, this world of bones , mixed it with technical things, that's how these 'biomechanoids' came about from the interplay of the biological and the mechanical."

However in the shorter version, the man who does an English voice over during the Giger's section says ""I wanted to make something that would be somehow human but that would also be robot-like, that is to say a kind of human being that is protected  by bone. And I mixed these together, this world of bones , I mixed it with technical things, that's how these 'biomechanoids' came about, that is from the biological and the mechanical interplay of the two."

I think what we hate is that we've lived for 30+ years imagining what we've wanted...and Ridley has returned saying "well this is what I think it is." It's never been confirmed what the Space Jockey race was or is....it's all been pure fan speculation. Now, we're about to get concrete proof in the form of a film possibly explaining it even more. If the SJ is humanoid, it's not bad, it's just not what we've been imagining all these years. Let's give Scott some space (no pun intended) to flesh out his ideas before we call it bollocks!???

Quote from: Mustangjeff on Jan 12, 2012, 06:08:17 PM

Quote from: Kol on Jan 12, 2012, 03:05:24 PM
@ Mustangjeff:

to me it doesn't make much sense that the alien inside the suit, looks exactly (or with a subtle change) like the suit.
do astronauts look like a space suit, when taking it off?  :laugh:

maybe the suit is deforming, after death. like the whole jockey ship, maybe...

True, but our space suits do have the same general shape; round head, two arms, two legs, etc.  And, we of course don't have biomechanical technology  :D  It could be a matter of form fitting function.  Our suits simply allow us to survive in a vacuum, where their suits, being partly organic and mechanical, are an extension of their body. 

To me the object being scanned is flat across the bottom with a large opening so it could go over the top of a head, while the head in the newly leaked images actually extends down into a neck that would fit on an actors head.

I figure if I speculate enough I'll have to get something right..  Maybe..

i don't get one thing: why has THE SUIT to look exactly as his wearer??  ???
the bald guy could wear that helmet, too.

if the jockey suit adapts the wearer appearance and change the look, depending on it's dna, that would be the contrary effect of a chestburster; that uses the dna of the host to evolve and look like it's host (bipedal, etc.).

QuoteHowever in the shorter version, the man who does an English voice over during the Giger's section says

his accent: just hilarious!  :D

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 12, 2012, 11:39:00 PM
I think what we hate is the we've lived for 30+ years imagining what we've wanted...and Ridley has returned saying "well this is what I think it is." It's never been confirmed what the Space Jockey race was or is....it's all been pure fan speculation. Now, we're about to get concrete proof in the form of a film possibly explaining it even more. If the SJ is humanoid, it's not bad, it's just not what we've been imagining all these years. Let's give Scott some space (no pun intended) to flesh out his ideas before we call it bollocks!???

Well said!

If this prop is not a head, then I am thinking that the helmet/faceplate/gas mask thing it represents is a living device and is the way that the new aliens, whatever they are, procreate. Shaw may be captured and have this thing forcefully 'installed', after which she is released or escapes, all knocked up with something. This idea could then somehow follow on to the life cycle for the original alien, being a modified evolution of the same process. Shaw could even give birth to it's progenitor; something that is then taken by her abusers for their own nefarious purposes.

-Chris

You know, it kind of makes sense that it is a mask, or a whole suit. Because well, if it was really bone, and the trunk is attached to the chest, that's what it looks like to me at least, and if that is the case, how would a Facehugger ever get to impregnate it? It was covering the front of Jockey's mouth. And we can clearly see the Jockey was "chest bursted."

So I think it would have to be a mask for this to happen, the Jockey must not have been wearing it at the time that the Facehugger impregnated it.

Quote from: Cecil on Jan 13, 2012, 04:46:29 AMSo I think it would have to be a mask for this to happen, the Jockey must not have been wearing it at the time that the Facehugger impregnated it.

The Jockey's mouth is open, so the facehugger still had 'access' (ugh). The other possibility is that there was no facehugger at all but rather the mask it wears is somehow the breeding device. An idea was posted a while back that the SJ was chestbursted out of necessity due to the SJ being in distress or dead.

I myself have always wondered why the SJ seems to have a reversed rib cage, the ribs coming from the back and touching, but not joining, at the front. It could be that they give birth this way and the SJ being dead forced the 'baby' to break it's way free. Humans, same thing.

Quote from: PrometheusFire on Jan 13, 2012, 05:14:02 AM5: baby is born, everybody dies

A good summary of the entire series. 8)

-Chris

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Quote from: Cecil on Jan 13, 2012, 04:46:29 AMSo I think it would have to be a mask for this to happen, the Jockey must not have been wearing it at the time that the Facehugger impregnated it.

The Jockey's mouth is open, so the facehugger still had 'access' (ugh). The other possibility is that there was no facehugger at all but rather the mask it wears is somehow the breeding device. An idea was posted a while back that the SJ was chestbursted out of necessity due to the SJ being in distress or dead.

I myself have always wondered why the SJ seems to have a reversed rib cage, the ribs coming from the back and touching, but not joining, at the front. It could be that they give birth this way and the SJ being dead forced the 'baby' to break it's way free. Humans, same thing.

Hardly enough though, it would only have room from the sides, which isn't much at all, so it can't really get a good grip and the Jockey could easily knock it off itself.

The article states... "The image does look a bit like a Space Jockey but with some differences... the jutted out jaw looks very Xenomorph style and the top part of the skull screams 'facehugger'."

I think I've seen this image they are talking about.. I there is an image in the released trailer that I would like to share, but no one has caught on.. I've looked all over the web and no one has reported this image.. would anyone like to see.. I don't know who to go to with this... so I figured this is the best place.. right?

Whatever layed the egg that spawned the 1st chicken...............drum roll........... Was not a chicken!!!
Stop thinking an alien queen layed an egg that spawned a facehugger that impregnated a sj that burst out and became a queen that layed eggs in the basement of the sj craft blah blah blah

Quote from: Cecil on Jan 13, 2012, 06:27:35 AMHardly enough though, it would only have room from the sides, which isn't much at all, so it can't really get a good grip and the Jockey could easily knock it off itself.

Unless it was dead, or somehow incapacitated, or, by virtue of being in the chair, unable to move at all. One theme that stands out is that the Jockey is some kind of sacrificial lamb, a theme that has strong echoes of the Prometheus myth. The SJ is frozen in it's seat, as if it was in the middle of doing it's everyday thing - there are no signs of any kind of struggle.

-Chris

Quote from: Master on Jan 10, 2012, 11:16:34 PM
Wait a minute... Does this mean that what we always considered as part of Jockey`s face is actually some form of proto face hugger?

I quite often thought it was.  Interesting.

Rape trunk ready for action. Noomi can't wait.  :-* I come to the conclusion that Predators could be the prior form to the Space Jockeys. The Strause Brothers have had a pioneering idea.

Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Jan 13, 2012, 10:57:49 AM

Quote from: Master on Jan 10, 2012, 11:16:34 PM
Wait a minute... Does this mean that what we always considered as part of Jockey`s face is actually some form of proto face hugger?

I quite often thought it was.  Interesting.

Very much so. Think of it this way: if you had to reconstruct where the alien came from in a way that tied faithfully back into the original film, you would take into account every aspect of the original monster. It's human-like form comes from it's host, but it's non-human-like aspects come from the SJ. Why does it have those seemingly useless 'tubes' on it's back? Maybe because it's 'parent' had the same thing in order to plug into the chair?

Why does it have a tail? Errr...

Acid for blood? Umm...

-Chris

I think that's about the size of it i.e. the xeno's will take their appearance (the bio/mechanical elements) from the SJ's.

1) Organism + SJ's = whatever is responsible for the eggs in Alien
2) Alien egg organism + Kane = the xeno we know and love
3) 2nd generation xeno + human = don't know. Perhaps if each parent, throughout each generation, were a human... the xeno's would themselves become more human in appearance??? We got an element of those more human qualities in Aliens, it could be argued

Quote from: Darth Vile on Jan 13, 2012, 12:44:19 PM
3) 2nd generation xeno + human = don't know. Perhaps if each parent, throughout each generation, were a human... the xeno's would themselves become more human in appearance??? We got an element of those more human qualities in Aliens, it could be argued

I don't think you can breed the "alien" out of the Alien.  On that theory given enough generations a human embryo would be implanted...

My assumption has always been that the Xeno's were created and as such will function the same unless genetically tampered with.

I'm still laughing that people actually thought that the tube coming from the SJ suit was/is a proto facehugger!! LoL


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On a related note...I'd love it if Ridley pushed the new design this direction....I've always believed this lil' guy is pretty terrfying.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 13, 2012, 03:55:18 PM
I'm still laughing that people actually thought that the tube coming from the SJ suit was/is a proto facehugger!! LoL

Well, there have been many discussions involving people thinking that the tube inserted into the old space jockey was a facehugger

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Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Jan 13, 2012, 04:15:10 PM
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ich liebe dch!  ;D

there's the evidence. the jockey weared a facehugger, all along and now we know, that they don't just create the aliens and humans, but the predator, too!

you people should deal more with the ancient astronaut theory (prä-astronautik), instead of the dubious proto-facehugger.
aliens made US. i love it, that the movie deals with this theme.

OH IT'S PREDATOR RELATED!!!!

THEY PROBABLY CREATED THE SPACE JOCKEYS AFTERALL...I WONDER IF RIDLEY WILL INCLUDE HOW THEY WERE MADE AND MAYBE WE'LL SEE A PROTO PREDATOR? AFTER ALL THE JUMPING GUY IN THE TRAILER LOOKS PREDATORISH!!!

FACT!!!!!!


LOLz....;)

Quote from: Kol on Jan 13, 2012, 04:28:36 PM
Aliens made US.

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Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Jan 13, 2012, 04:47:56 PM

Quote from: Kol on Jan 13, 2012, 04:28:36 PM
Aliens made US.

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Lol

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There's no way this film has links to the Predator/AVP universe, pretty sure i read somewhere that Ridley thought the crossover films nearly killed the franchise.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jan 13, 2012, 08:40:12 AM

Quote from: Cecil on Jan 13, 2012, 06:27:35 AMHardly enough though, it would only have room from the sides, which isn't much at all, so it can't really get a good grip and the Jockey could easily knock it off itself.

Unless it was dead, or somehow incapacitated, or, by virtue of being in the chair, unable to move at all. One theme that stands out is that the Jockey is some kind of sacrificial lamb, a theme that has strong echoes of the Prometheus myth. The SJ is frozen in it's seat, as if it was in the middle of doing it's everyday thing - there are no signs of any kind of struggle.

-Chris

I don't see the point of impregnating something that isn't living, you would think it needs a living source to do so. But the other thing you said interests me...

So instead of Prometheus being chained to a rock, (If that is how the "Prometheus" lore goes, I'm not 100 percent sure.) we have the Jockey attached to a chair?  Interesting, I never thought of it that way.

It's pretty obvious now, that the facehugger impregnanted the YAUTJA (Hish species, i.e. "The Predator"). 

God created the predator species, who breed humans through the ampule samples so they can hunt Homo sapiens sapiens for sport.  After the Prometheus crew mess around with TecHishnology, the facehugger species is born, attacks the PILOT YAUTJA (Reponsible for transporting human seed across the universe to hunt), and melts into the predators face.  As the rest of the metal jockey TRANSPORT SHIP turns into an organic and bone like form, the hugged pilot crashes the ship onto LV-426. The jockey "tube" is really the hugger tail attached to the Hish's face. The predalien is born and now, the remaining Yautja crew (Dall, Ripper, and Parckker), must team up with Noomi and Theron to defeat the new, xenomorph alien extraterrestrial species once and for all.

The above sculpture of Giger's original Alien 3 design, made me think of this...

I recently read that Giger came to dislike his inclusion of the "pipes" along the original Alien's dorsal spine/back.  I understand his artistic motivation for including these protrusions was in order to "break up the creatures human shape".  Frankly, I think this detail was a stroke of genius.  He probably came to view these as a bit  "tacky".  However, I think the fact that they are so outrageous, and do not make any obvious biological "sense", is what makes the creature all the more "alien" and surreal.

*note*

The above all caps exuberant Predator rant was complete sarcasm aiming at those desperate for a Predator connection. I couldn't want anything less if I tried.

I also like the tubes on the original creature...I thought it contributed to its otherworldliness quite well. The tubes don't need to make sense because the alien itself doesn't make sense. The creature in ALIEN3 lacked them and it never felt balanced.

Ok. I'm starting to buy into this two alien species theory here. SJ's and Engineers. One big thing is convincing me of this.The flying "saucer" ship seen over the waterfall seems like a distinctly different technology than that of the "derelict" ship on Acheron. Thus, TWO species.The "saucer" is something we have not seen before in the "Alien" universe.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 13, 2012, 11:29:34 PMThe tubes don't need to make sense because the alien itself doesn't make sense.

That's true, but if you are going back to deal with the creature's origins it may be something that you want to address. You might look closely at the creature and try to work out a logical evolutionary path to each and every aspect of it, at the very least to inform your future design decisions. It's kinda like creating exhaustive back stories for the crew of the Nostromo. It fleshes out the concepts and informs the film, even though it is never actually addressed on screen.

I like the idea of the tubes having some evolutionary function personally. A trait it inherits from it's parent. I'm betting the Jockey is going to have something very similar.

-Chris

So the Jocks are like the aliens from ID4?
Some thing inside a biological suit?
Or better yet, Bio Booster Armor Guyver!!!!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.betamonline.com%2Fsdimages%2Fupc10%2F704400097546.jpg&hash=141675e9d349c12e614ff7e8e8da3d31610a7138)

Quote from: Cureguy1 on Jan 14, 2012, 03:17:54 AM
Ok. I'm starting to buy into this two alien species theory here. SJ's and Engineers. One big thing is convincing me of this.The flying "saucer" ship seen over the waterfall seems like a distinctly different technology than that of the "derelict" ship on Acheron. Thus, TWO species.The "saucer" is something we have not seen before in the "Alien" universe.

100% Agreed, two species and then whatever the monster/vulture in the myth is.  It seems like they might place the "gods"  as the owners of that saucer-looking craft, and the Titan race as the space Jockey; however, I could easily see it being the other way around.  The gods atop mount Olympus are depicted as very human, have character flaws, full personalities etc. So these could actually be the tall, bald guy(s).  Also matches the Nephillim, Annunaki, and in a way the legends about the tall, pale Atlanteans.

Prometheus/the Jockey Race, being Titans, can still be the Elder gods that are later replaced by the Olympian gods, often described brutally, but in metaphor. These are decidedly less human characters when you really look at it.  For example Gaia, the idea of the Earth Goddess, is a Titan. The greek myths talk about one of the Titans, I think Kronos, being castrated by Zeus as part of their cosmology (idea of how the cosmos/earth came into being) and takes place above the Earth. Later on Prometheus is practically seen as a servant to the "gods" who reign alongside Zeus.

So the "gods" replace some of the Titans as rulers over the Earth in a sense. This may be key, because it has lots to do with Prometheus going against the wishes of the gods and giving humanity the flame like in the story that we all should know by now. What most probably don't know is that Kronos was devouring his children because he knew one of them would eventually overthrow him. This is why I believe the idea that the Space Jockey became a slave race of the gods is true. Gaia hides the child in a cave deep in the bowels of the Earth/herself, where Kronos can't see. And eventually that child comes back and castrates him, reigning monsters down across the land in the process as his dripping blood/semen falls in the ocean, creating islands .Much later there is a war between the Titans  and the gods, and Prometheus lives with the current round of humanity on the Earth. Then his whole story starts, where he helps the humans by giving them the flame.

I think the gods' punished the Jockey/Titans by taking them off-Earth with them in the distant past; stranding them on distant rocks, and making them a slave species, test subjects, fused creatures, and hosts for their genetic experiments i.e. the vultures.  I think the gods are actually represented by that human-like child(Zeus) that grew to castrate and enslave its maker (The Jockey/Kronos) raining down and creating the first wave of the Greek monsters into the ocean.
There's a chance the tall, bald guy is originally from Earth in the Ancient Past, but they came to rule over those that made them. And that the Jockey may still be a creature inside the suit.

Quote from: Taxemic on Jan 11, 2012, 04:01:35 PM
Something that always fascinated me was wondering how the SJ became impregnated in the first place. Be like a facehugger trying to impregnate an elephant. Suprised knowone has mentioned that in the original ALIEN 'that' trunk is connected directly to the creatures chest, so I can't imagine how it is anything to do with a hugger or the green goop from those Urns. Just me?
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Could this be the chair turned alive by the genesis ooze?!

Quote from: Kev Loaf on Jan 16, 2012, 07:56:19 AM
Could this be the chair turned alive by the genesis ooze?!

Yes, that's right. It's an ASDF movie for the big screen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuPig4-48V0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuPig4-48V0#)

Now that this movie is coming out I'm bringing out all my space jockey momob... palisades, kubric, hcg...  I know I asked this about 2 years ago on this forum but ill re-ask cause this seems like the perfect time to...
Does anyone have the japanese space jokey RING from 2002/2003 and would they be willing to sell it?
My fiencee and I have been trying to find 1 to buy to use as my wedding ring for years!

I believe everyone has overthought the "Prometheus" mythology.  My guess is Weyland sees himself as Prometheus (thus the name "Prometheus" for his ship).  He's going to get alien technology to bring back to mankind.

The bald guy may be one of the human crewmembers from the Prometheus, maybe the one we see at the beginning of the new trailer with black lines running under his skin.  It looks like a human gets turned into a biomechanoid.  Could be Weyland?

The new trailer suggests the Prometheus is used to ram the SJ ship and stop it from going to Earth.  I've got a bad feeling that means the SJ/chair combination is a gunner trying to shoot down Prometheus.   I like it better as a telescope than a turbo-laser.

I'm getting too speculative now, but if all the above is true, perhaps Weyland/Prometheus sabotaged the SJ gunner by putting a proto-facehugger in his breathing apparatus.  Would keep the gunner distracted and explain how he got impregnated.  Weyland/Prometheus gets assimilated into the SJ's, then turns on them in a "Picard telling the Borg to go to sleep" moment.  Enough humanity is left to turn the SJ's weapons against them.

I hope what Ridley came up with is better than that. 

More speculation, humanity was created by the SJ's to reproduce Xenomorphs, nothing more.