Poll
Question:
So who do you think deserves to return and direct AVP3?
Option 1: Paul W.S Anderson
votes: 145
Option 2: The Strause Brothers
votes: 39
So who do you think deserves to direct AVP3? and give a really good reason why.
Neither, because both directors f**ked up the predators and aliens.
Neither...
David Twohy.
Where's the button for "No more AVPs at all"?
Neither one but if I had to choose id have to go with the Strouse Brothers.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Aug 29, 2008, 05:37:29 PM
Where's the button for "No more AVPs at all"?
That's a good option as well. :D
If I had no other choice in the whole world and I had to hire one of them, I would pick Paul Anderson.
I would only choose Paul Anderson because he has more experience and if he's allowed to direct a hardcore R rated film with a big budget I know he would do better! The Strause Brothers really suck as directors because they were given the freedom to direct an R rated AVP film and they still failed BIG TIME!
Paul Anderson managed to direct a better AVP film even though it was PG-13. I would rather give him another chance since I thought the first AVP had better fight scenes, better special effects, set designs and overall story. AVP-R had nothing going for it, the story sucked, the characters sucked, the visuals to the entire film sucked, it was a shit smear in the end.
I would rather have Paul Anderson then the Strause Brothers again.
He didn't make that bad of a movie really. The only to "big" problems with AVP was the dialog and the fact it was PG 13 other then that it was a fun good movie.
If another AVP is made I'll be hoping they bring back Paul Anderson rather then the Strause Brother or some new guy.
Well i rather want to see Paul W.S. Anderson to direct an AvP3 than the brother strauses.
If ADI work as they did with wolf for the predator and the alien from the first avp and Paul anderson got an R-rated i think we can have a very interesting movie.
Strauses again. No question.
I'd like to see what Paul Anderson would do if you could direct AVP3 It would probably be in space or some jungle.
The Strause Brothers have no excuses for their hackery, they already showed what type of directors they are with AVP-R. They had enough budget and the freedom to make it rated R to show off their true colors as directors, they failed!
I don't give a shit what they made at the box office, it's still a shitty as movie. It's nothing like the movies like X-Men, Blade, The Hulk, Iron Man, Batman, Transformers, The Matrix, Underworld ect. This movie is a shit smear, heck it doesn't even come close to the first AVP and when that movie first came out it was number 1 in the theaters. Kill all that noise that AVP-R was a low budget financial success, no it wasn't! A movie with Aliens and Predator should hands down be a box office killer, a gold mine. AVP-R was no where near a box office killer, lol pathetic.
The BS need to stay the f**k away from this franchise period and go back to Mtv. Just because David Fincher started out working in Mtv doesn't mean every single air head wanna be director from Mtv can be as talanted as him.
i would really like to see P.A take on the 3rd film even dough the first film it wasnt all that great but let him do it r-rated and let him do it hes way we might see something good come out of it. saw hes new film DEATH RACE and man i must say that movie its awesome action violence and believe it or not a buy able story line..
I gotta see that movie.
Paul Anderson made a decent film that was entertaining.
The Strause Brothers made a piece of crap that I couldn't see.
Paul Anderson again. No question.
I think they should get a new director. Or better yet-
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Aug 29, 2008, 05:37:29 PM
Where's the button for "No more AVPs at all"?
:)
Anderson all the way.
I don't think either deserves to come back. Give us a new director.
If, for some ungodly reason, it did come down to just those choices ... I'd say Anderson.
(And, obviously, Johnny is the only person to vote Strause.)
Quote(And, obviously, Johnny is the only person to vote Strause.)
So?
IMO they made the much better movie, why vote for anderson then?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2008, 09:06:53 PM
Quote(And, obviously, Johnny is the only person to vote Strause.)
So?
IMO they made the much better movie, why vote for anderson then?
Because Anderson did a much better AVP movie then AVPR and the only reason you voted for Stause Brothers it's because they were Predator fanboys. ::)
QuoteBecause Anderson did a much better AVP movie then AVPR
If you think so, but its ok, everybody makes mistakes ;)
See, one is getting attacked when they make a vote now and say their opinion, f**k this website.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2008, 09:13:41 PM
QuoteBecause Anderson did a much better AVP movie then AVPR
If you think so, but its ok, everybody makes mistakes ;)
See, one is getting attacked when they make a vote now and say their opinion, f**k this website.
I don't make mistakes.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2008, 09:13:41 PM
See, one is getting attacked when they make a vote now and say their opinion, f**k this website.
You mean like what you do all the time?
QuoteI don't make mistakes jackass.
You call me jackass? You cant even spell the Strauses name right so why take this thread serious in the first place?
Why dont you just put up Anderson, Anderson or Anderson in your suggestion to vote, because when you vote for strause youre getting attacked anyway.
Gosh, it would be funny if it wouldnt be so f**king stupid.
QuoteYou mean like what you do all the time?
Did i attack anyone here that they voted for anderson? What version of AvP:Galaxy do you have?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2008, 09:21:02 PM
QuoteI don't make mistakes jackass.
You call me jackass? You cant even spell the Strauses name right so why take this thread serious in the first place?
Why dont you just put up Anderson, Anderson or Anderson in your suggestion to vote, because when you vote for strause youre getting attacked anyway.
Gosh, it would be funny if it wouldnt be so f**king stupid.
So what I can't spell the Strause brothers name?
QuoteSo what I can't spell the Strause brothers name?
You shouldnt be call other people jackass then :)
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2008, 09:31:35 PM
QuoteSo what I can't spell the Strause brothers name?
You shouldnt be call other people jackass then :)
And you shouldn't tell me that I made a mistake because I didn't.
As has been said twice, I really do not want another AVP movie. I really don't care who directing AVP3, Anderson, Strause, or a new director.
B/w the two of them, I'd rather have the Brothers but anyone with half a brain knows they should both stay away from the franchise.
Anderson, for sure. I'd rather see a professionally done movie than an amateurish, dark piece of shit.
I picked Anderson.
The Bros made a bigger pile of shit than he did, but it wasn't exactly more impressive, it just stinks from further away than Anderson's movie.
I want Anderson to do it! :P Just get a talented writer to do the script and he'll do a fine job of directing like he always does.
Stause's should either get experience on smaller movies or just stick to effects all together.
Quote from: gameoverman on Aug 29, 2008, 10:15:08 PM
Anderson, for sure. I'd rather see a professionally done movie than an amateurish, dark piece of shit.
Amen to that brotha 8)
None.
Quote from: gameoverman on Aug 29, 2008, 10:15:08 PM
Anderson, for sure. I'd rather see a professionally done movie than an amateurish, dark piece of shit.
B/c Anderson didn't have any problems with darkness, right? ::)
Anderson. I maintain that AVP is still a fun movie which does what it says on the tin. It has its flaws but I still rank it third in the Alien series (including the two AVP films :P).
I had hopes for the Brothers. Some of their music videos look awesome and I was sure if they got just one thing right it would have been the visuals. How wrong was I?
Quote from: Andrew127 on Aug 30, 2008, 12:46:26 AM
Some of their music videos look awesome and I was sure if they got just one thing right it would have been the visuals. How wrong was I?
You were extremely, dead in the water, flat out, hands down, WRONG! Just like I was before this movie was released into our lives.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2008, 12:31:53 AM
B/c Anderson didn't have any problems with darkness, right? ::)
DoomRulz......DoomRulz, I understand what you and Johnny are going through. I was in denial too, I tried my best to love this movie. But I didn't have the courage to admit to myself that AVP-R sucked monkey balls and the BS played all the fans as fools and the AVP movie franchise is possibly doomed forever now.
I understand it's hard, as a hardcore fan to admit this. I know you want to love this move instead of hating it and enjoy what you have. But you guys are trying too hard to like this movie. Deep down inside I know you f**king hate AVP-R, deep down inside I know you hate the fact you have to brighten up your tv to kind of see whats going on. You have to let it go my son, just like I did and yell out loud... THIS MOVIE f**kING SUCKED! lol ;D
Quote from: PHANTOM on Aug 30, 2008, 01:05:39 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2008, 12:31:53 AM
B/c Anderson didn't have any problems with darkness, right? ::)
DoomRulz......DoomRulz, I understand what you and Johnny are going through. I was in denial too, I tried my best to love this movie. But I didn't have the courage to admit to myself that AVP-R sucked monkey balls and the BS played all the fans as fools and the AVP movie franchise is possibly doomed forever now.
I understand it's hard, as a hardcore fan to admit this. I know you want to love this move instead of hating it and enjoy what you have. But you guys are trying too hard to like this movie. Deep down inside I know you f**king hate AVP-R, deep down inside I know you hate the fact you have to brighten up your tv to kind of see whats going on. You have to let it go my son, just like I did and yell out loud... THIS MOVIE f**kING SUCKED! lol ;D
...
Say what?
Quote from: PHANTOM on Aug 30, 2008, 01:05:39 AM
Quote from: Andrew127 on Aug 30, 2008, 12:46:26 AM
Some of their music videos look awesome and I was sure if they got just one thing right it would have been the visuals. How wrong was I?
You were extremely, dead in the water, flat out, hands down, WRONG! Just like I was before this movie was released into our lives.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2008, 12:31:53 AM
B/c Anderson didn't have any problems with darkness, right? ::)
DoomRulz......DoomRulz, I understand what you and Johnny are going through. I was in denial too, I tried my best to love this movie. But I didn't have the courage to admit to myself that AVP-R sucked monkey balls and the BS played all the fans as fools and the AVP movie franchise is possibly doomed forever now.
I understand it's hard, as a hardcore fan to admit this. I know you want to love this move instead of hating it and enjoy what you have. But you guys are trying too hard to like this movie. Deep down inside I know you f**king hate AVP-R, deep down inside I know you hate the fact you have to brighten up your tv to kind of see whats going on. You have to let it go my son, just like I did and yell out loud... THIS MOVIE f**kING SUCKED! lol ;D
LOL!
WTF!?!
lol ;D
Anderson because he can make a bad movie highly enjoyable in the long run, BS on the other hand like to mess up something which was only slightly good in the first place.
Anderson. Lesser of two evils.
Quote from: Private Hudson on Aug 30, 2008, 02:20:28 AM
Anderson because he can make a bad movie highly enjoyable in the long run, BS on the other hand like to mess up something which was only slightly good in the first place.
Ding!
Quote from: Private Hudson on Aug 30, 2008, 02:20:28 AM
Anderson because he can make a bad movie highly enjoyable in the long run, BS on the other hand like to mess up something which was only slightly good in the first place.
At least the Brothers can keep it entertaining, something Anderson doesn't know the meaning of.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2008, 02:56:13 AM
Quote from: Private Hudson on Aug 30, 2008, 02:20:28 AM
Anderson because he can make a bad movie highly enjoyable in the long run, BS on the other hand like to mess up something which was only slightly good in the first place.
At least the Brothers can keep it entertaining, something Anderson doesn't know the meaning of.
How was AVP:R entertaining?
Well, the people who like the AvP/Predator films(Cheesy movies) prefer entertainment value in their films, while the people who prefer the Alien films like a story and good characters.
Nothing wrong with that. Different strokes for different folks.
Quote from: aliensetta on Aug 30, 2008, 03:06:28 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2008, 02:56:13 AM
Quote from: Private Hudson on Aug 30, 2008, 02:20:28 AM
Anderson because he can make a bad movie highly enjoyable in the long run, BS on the other hand like to mess up something which was only slightly good in the first place.
At least the Brothers can keep it entertaining, something Anderson doesn't know the meaning of.
How was AVP:R entertaining?
It had action. Something AvP lacked in large numbers.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Aug 30, 2008, 03:39:31 AM
Well, the people who like the AvP/Predator films(Cheesy movies) prefer entertainment value in their films, while the people who prefer the Alien films like a story and good characters.
Nothing wrong with that. Different strokes for different folks.
I guess you missed all that shooting in
Aliens and
Alien: Resurrection.
In total, there's about a total of 10 minutes of actual "shooting" in Aliens. As for Resurrection, still not as much as P1 and P2, but still not. There weren't actually any shoot-outs, with tons of people, just lots of different action.
OWN3D. Your face has been own-ified.
The action in Aliens though beats any other action scenes in the franchise.
Predator is more like a Rambo movie where 6 guys can take out a whole guerilla camp (yeah, right).
Predator 2 has the cheesiest shootout in history at the start of the movie.
AR has pretty cheesy action scenes as well, though.
Quote from: gameoverman on Aug 30, 2008, 04:36:04 AM
Predator is more like a Rambo movie where 6 guys can take out a whole guerilla camp (yeah, right).
Wouldn't call it cheesy though.
Quote from: gameoverman on Aug 30, 2008, 04:36:04 AMPredator 2 has the cheesiest shootout in history at the start of the movie.
No argument there.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2008, 03:44:24 AM
It had action. Something AvP lacked in large numbers.
STOP! Red flag on reply 48 DoomRulz....(denial) penalty
The first AVP had plenty of action, awesome special effects and visuals....
Celtic Vs Grid and Queen Vs Scar beats the crap out of any of those murky, dark, action scenes that your talking about in AVP-R.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Aug 30, 2008, 04:44:45 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2008, 03:44:24 AM
It had action. Something AvP lacked in large numbers.
STOP! Red flag on reply 48 DoomRulz....(denial) penalty
The first AVP had plenty of action, awesome special effects and visuals....
Celtic Vs Grid and Queen Vs Scar beats the crap out of any of those murky, dark, action scenes that your talking about in AVP-R.
Two fight scenes. No, wait...one fight. And a race.
Versus
3 Predators being pwned on the ship, sewer fight, power plant hunt, hospital fight, national guard scene, Wolf vs. Chet
How about you grow a pair of eyes and actually watch both movies?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2008, 03:44:24 AM
Quote from: aliensetta on Aug 30, 2008, 03:06:28 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2008, 02:56:13 AM
Quote from: Private Hudson on Aug 30, 2008, 02:20:28 AM
Anderson because he can make a bad movie highly enjoyable in the long run, BS on the other hand like to mess up something which was only slightly good in the first place.
At least the Brothers can keep it entertaining, something Anderson doesn't know the meaning of.
How was AVP:R entertaining?
It had action. Something AvP lacked in large numbers.
Yeah but the action was done with poorly designed creatures, lighting, effects, and lets face it short and VERY one sided.
I think The two fight scenes in AVP beat AVP:R's short one sided fight scenes in almost every way.
Quote from: aliensetta on Aug 30, 2008, 05:04:10 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2008, 03:44:24 AM
Quote from: aliensetta on Aug 30, 2008, 03:06:28 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2008, 02:56:13 AM
Quote from: Private Hudson on Aug 30, 2008, 02:20:28 AM
Anderson because he can make a bad movie highly enjoyable in the long run, BS on the other hand like to mess up something which was only slightly good in the first place.
At least the Brothers can keep it entertaining, something Anderson doesn't know the meaning of.
How was AVP:R entertaining?
It had action. Something AvP lacked in large numbers.
Yeah but the action was done with poorly designed creatures, lighting, effects, and lets face it short and VERY one sided.
I think The two fight scenes in AVP beat AVP:R's short one sided fight scenes in almost every way.
I still found them more entertaining.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2008, 05:11:33 AM
Quote from: aliensetta on Aug 30, 2008, 05:04:10 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2008, 03:44:24 AM
Quote from: aliensetta on Aug 30, 2008, 03:06:28 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2008, 02:56:13 AM
Quote from: Private Hudson on Aug 30, 2008, 02:20:28 AM
Anderson because he can make a bad movie highly enjoyable in the long run, BS on the other hand like to mess up something which was only slightly good in the first place.
At least the Brothers can keep it entertaining, something Anderson doesn't know the meaning of.
How was AVP:R entertaining?
It had action. Something AvP lacked in large numbers.
Yeah but the action was done with poorly designed creatures, lighting, effects, and lets face it short and VERY one sided.
I think The two fight scenes in AVP beat AVP:R's short one sided fight scenes in almost every way.
I still found them more entertaining.
I didn't think it was good at all. I wish it would've turn out like Predator 2 or Alien 3 but I guess thats asking to much for an AVP film. :P
Quote from: aliensetta on Aug 30, 2008, 05:23:25 AM
I wish it would've turn out like Predator 2 or Alien 3 but I guess thats asking to much for an AVP film. :P
Awhile ago the bros told me in a email that they weren't going to be scared away and they had thick skin. Hmmm...
I have a feeling Colin got scared away and because of the fans reaction to Requiem they aren't going to direct AVP3 anymore. I think the fans nuked Colin and Gregs soul and they really don't want any part of this franchise anymore.
You really gotta take a step back all the way to when you first picked up that AVP comic book back in the early 90's and just ask yourself....is being a loyal fan to this franchise really worth it anymore? :-\
QuoteIn total, there's about a total of 10 minutes of actual "shooting" in Aliens.
From the time Ripley wakes up to discover she and Newt are trapped with the huggers to when she dumps the Queen out the airlock is effectively one long action sequence, with a couple of small beats breaking it up. They're not constantly shooting guns that whole time - about 45 minutes - but they are for large chunks of it. And that doesn't include the first hive battle or any sentry guns.
QuoteIt had action. Something AvP lacked in large numbers.
Quote3 Predators being pwned on the ship, sewer fight, power plant hunt, hospital fight, national guard scene, Wolf vs. Chet
How about you grow a pair of eyes and actually watch both movies?
Maybe you should go watch the movie again,dude.
All of those scenes together barely add up to 6 minutes of screentime in a 90 minute movie. Seriously,for example, the sewer fight lasts for a measely and poorly made 40 seconds. And the Wolf vs. Chet fight is barely 2 minutes long. Now the amount of time wouldn't have mattered as much if the action scenes were actually well-made, but sadly they were not. At the very the best, the action in Requiem is at times somewhat pedestrain.
Sure, the first AvP isn't exactly action packed either.But the Celtic vs. Grid fight scene alone is about 3+ minutes long, add to that the other skirmishes between the Aliens and Preds, the flashback, the Queen battle, aswell as the fights between the humans and Preds. There's more action in AvP than there is in Requiem. But more importantly, the quality of the action in AvP is infinitely more impressive. Meaning in terms of direction,visual-style,editing,lighting, choreography etc', there's just really no comparison whatsoever between the two.
Artistically, the first film was better. If Anderson was given the money and the direction to make it mature, he could potentially do it. What we needed was 'Event Horizon' Anderson, but we ended up getting 'Resident Evil' Anderson. A big part of that is apparently having someone else write the script.
The characters in both films are much of a muchness, but there was at least better tension in the first. Scenes like when the structure first starts shifting and the character who gets outflanked in the dark, on their own, raptor-style, in the tunnels. After Sebastian is abducted, later on, with Lex having no clue of where to go and her compass being broken, in the dark. Stuff like that had potential and while it was squandered, there was not even that in the sequel to it.
I actually think James Cameron could make a blinding one, now that he's realised the concept is actually closer to his tastes than he thought it would be. Quite whether Fox would be willing to give him the many millions it would take for whatever his concept would be, I don't know, but there would probably be a better chance of attracting him to such a thing now, than there used to be.
It's a complete fantasy, though, because they would never be willing to give it that budget or required level of creative control.
What's required, above all else, is a great writer. That seems to be where a lot of the problems have arisen.
None of them.
Anderson is an admitted alien fan. The Brother Strauses are predator fans. Interviews and their one-sided movie are the proof. They aren't a good choice.
We need a new director who wants to please both sides.
If i have to choose one of them, I would take Anderson.
I think he would learn a lesson from the past. Better than the Strauses. Besides, Anderson has much more skill, while the brothers showed us, that they are not great David Finchers.
The Brother Strause really think they made a good movie. They are too self righteous. They lied to much. 10 minutes fight scene? Where? And don't forget their weird idea of dino-sized aliens. What the hell? This giant alien would look like crap if they don't waste all the money for it. And we all know which creature they would neglect because of low budget. FOX can't be so dumb to let them return.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Aug 29, 2008, 06:10:24 PM
If I had no other choice in the whole world and I had to hire one of them, I would pick Paul Anderson.
I would only choose Paul Anderson because he has more experience and if he's allowed to direct a hardcore R rated film with a big budget I know he would do better! The Strause Brothers really suck as directors because they were given the freedom to direct an R rated AVP film and they still failed BIG TIME!
Paul Anderson managed to direct a better AVP film even though it was PG-13. I would rather give him another chance since I thought the first AVP had better fight scenes, better special effects, set designs and overall story. AVP-R had nothing going for it, the story sucked, the characters sucked, the visuals to the entire film sucked, it was a shit smear in the end.
I agree with you. The first film is better put together it just lacked the gore and the fact the predators looked like shit. Avp r had the gore but the film was a complete mess with shit actors and directors.
Quotethe fact the predators looked like shit
As in AvP:Requiem in the predator ship, that's an actual fact.
ADI design => Shitty.
Wofl weren't so different than the avp predator, he had very long dreadlock, some piece as gauntlet and few things on his armor recycle from the avp predator.
The body skin is exactly the same, only the color changed.
Only the helmet and the fact he had few piece of armor made himm look "cool" but the design wasn't so far than avp predator.
Quote from: StealthHunter on Aug 30, 2008, 08:12:31 AM
QuoteIt had action. Something AvP lacked in large numbers.
Quote3 Predators being pwned on the ship, sewer fight, power plant hunt, hospital fight, national guard scene, Wolf vs. Chet
How about you grow a pair of eyes and actually watch both movies?
Maybe you should go watch the movie again,dude.
All of those scenes together barely add up to 6 minutes of screentime in a 90 minute movie. Seriously,for example, the sewer fight lasts for a measely and poorly made 40 seconds. And the Wolf vs. Chet fight is barely 2 minutes long. Now the amount of time wouldn't have mattered as much if the action scenes were actually well-made, but sadly they were not. At the very the best, the action in Requiem is at times somewhat pedestrain.
Sure, the first AvP isn't exactly action packed either.But the Celtic vs. Grid fight scene alone is about 3+ minutes long, add to that the other skirmishes between the Aliens and Preds, the flashback, the Queen battle, aswell as the fights between the humans and Preds. There's more action in AvP than there is in Requiem. But more importantly, the quality of the action in AvP is infinitely more impressive. Meaning in terms of direction,visual-style,editing,lighting, choreography etc', there's just really no comparison whatsoever between the two.
At the end of the day, I still find AvP:R more entertaining. Grid vs. Celtic is the only part of AvP I find interesting. I can watch that scene then I immediately switch the movie off b/c the rest of it is just one big eyesore. AvP:R on the other hand, I can watch right from beginning to end no problem.
Cue PHANTOM and another darkness complaint...
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 30, 2008, 09:50:30 AM
I actually think James Cameron could make a blinding one, now that he's realised the concept is actually closer to his tastes than he thought it would be. Quite whether Fox would be willing to give him the many millions it would take for whatever his concept would be, I don't know, but there would probably be a better chance of attracting him to such a thing now, than there used to be.
Amen to that. As I've said previously, JC could very easily make (I think) an AvP that's as good as Aliens, but for some unspoken rule of self-righteousness, he doesn't seem to want to.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Aug 30, 2008, 01:51:21 PM
Quotethe fact the predators looked like shit
As in AvP:Requiem in the predator ship, that's an actual fact.
ADI design => Shitty.
Wofl weren't so different than the avp predator, he had very long dreadlock, some piece as gauntlet and few things on his armor recycle from the avp predator.
The body skin is exactly the same, only the color changed.
Only the helmet and the fact he had few piece of armor made himm look "cool" but the design wasn't so far than avp predator.
I know the old predators had more of a darker texture. ADI were just cheap compared to Stan Winstons team.
Quote from: StealthHunter on Aug 30, 2008, 08:12:31 AM
Maybe you should go watch the movie again,dude.
All of those scenes together barely add up to 6 minutes of screentime in a 90 minute movie. Seriously,for example, the sewer fight lasts for a measely and poorly made 40 seconds. And the Wolf vs. Chet fight is barely 2 minutes long. Now the amount of time wouldn't have mattered as much if the action scenes were actually well-made, but sadly they were not. At the very the best, the action in Requiem is at times somewhat pedestrain.
Sure, the first AvP isn't exactly action packed either.But the Celtic vs. Grid fight scene alone is about 3+ minutes long, add to that the other skirmishes between the Aliens and Preds, the flashback, the Queen battle, aswell as the fights between the humans and Preds. There's more action in AvP than there is in Requiem. But more importantly, the quality of the action in AvP is infinitely more impressive. Meaning in terms of direction,visual-style,editing,lighting, choreography etc', there's just really no comparison whatsoever between the two.
110% agree.
I wonder if they still would've gotten the Strause Brothers if Guillermo Del Toro directed the first one...
Well it doesn't matter now because the Strause Brothers f**ked up AVP-R so much they made sure the movie sucked and also made sure no talented director will ever touch this franchise again.
Thanks Colin and Greg ;D
You made all our nightmares come full circle now.
Quote from: aliensetta on Aug 29, 2008, 06:19:27 PM
I would rather have Paul Anderson then the Strause Brothers again.
He didn't make that bad of a movie really. The only to "big" problems with AVP was the dialog and the fact it was PG 13 other then that it was a fun good movie.
If another AVP is made I'll be hoping they bring back Paul Anderson rather then the Strause Brother or some new guy.
nop. the only big problem anderson had....
was the direction. the concept was good, the fotographer was good, the actors... 2-3, the predator and alien designs.... well 2 big problems.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Aug 30, 2008, 05:57:55 PM
I wonder if they still would've gotten the Strause Brothers if Guillermo Del Toro directed the first one...
yeah... one thing for sure is that México is a good thing for predators.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2008, 12:31:53 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on Aug 29, 2008, 10:15:08 PM
Anderson, for sure. I'd rather see a professionally done movie than an amateurish, dark piece of shit.
B/c Anderson didn't have any problems with darkness, right? ::)
Actually the encharged of the ligthing and that sort of stuff is the director of photography... not the director of the movie. anderson sucks.
Quote from: ArielAleXCo on Aug 31, 2008, 06:20:57 AM
B/c Anderson didn't have any problems with darkness, right? ::)
Actually the encharged of the ligthing and that sort of stuff is the director of photography... not the director of the movie. anderson sucks.
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Like the Brothers, he had the final say in everything so that's a load of bollocks. At least the Brothers had colours. They may have been faint, but they were there. I truly believe PA is colour-blind b/c the entire pyramid sequence in AvP was gray, gray, gray. Yeesh.
QuoteIn total, there's about a total of 10 minutes of actual "shooting" in Aliens. As for Resurrection, still not as much as P1 and P2, but still not.
Why is action now something youre using against the Predator movies? Is anything wrong with action now?
As for the story thing you´ve mentioned, and that alien fans prefer a good story blablabla, take a look at Predators story and the Alien one, their both simple, but as a whole, Predators story is the more complex one.
Aliens: She returns to the planet with a bunch of space marines where the aliens have taken over a colony complex.... wheeewww, what a
Terrific story ::)
Alien3: She crashes on a prison planet with an alien on the ship pullen straight out of the producers ass where it all begins from new.... wheeew,
heartbreaking story.
A:rez : They clone her and... i dont need to continue, because its just stupid.
Sry, but the alien movies where always about entertainment aswell, not so in action but in suspense and horror.
Great characters, of course, but so did Predator.
Were talking about little sci-fi popcorn flicks, stop talking about the alien movies like it was
The Godfather or something and come down from your high horse.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 31, 2008, 11:29:06 AM
QuoteIn total, there's about a total of 10 minutes of actual "shooting" in Aliens. As for Resurrection, still not as much as P1 and P2, but still not.
Why is action now something youre using against the Predator movies? Is anything wrong with action now?
As for the story thing you´ve mentioned, and that alien fans prefer a good story blablabla, take a look at Predators story and the Alien one, their both simple, but as a whole, Predators story is the more complex one.
Aliens: She returns to the planet with a bunch of space marines where the aliens have taken over a colony complex.... wheeewww, what a Terrific story ::)
Alien3: She crashes on a prison planet with an alien on the ship pullen straight out of the producers ass where it all begins from new.... wheeew, heartbreaking story.
A:rez : They clone her and... i dont need to continue, because its just stupid.
Sry, but the alien movies where always about entertainment aswell, not so in action but in suspense and horror.
Great characters, of course, but so did Predator.
Were talking about little sci-fi popcorn flicks, stop talking about the alien movies like it was The Godfather or something and come down from your high horse.
You have a so low opinion about Alien movies Johnny that make me laugh everytime you're saying bullshit about them ::)
QuoteYou have a so low opinion about Alien movies Johnny that make me laugh everytime you're saying bullshit about them
I love them, otherwise i wouldnt have bought them on dvd (Yes, i actually
dont buy movies i
dont like)
So the only thing laughable is your reproof. But hey i didnt expect another reply in the first place :D
If you cant handle what i write then simply dont reply or dont read them, simple as that. Have a nice day.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 31, 2008, 12:24:22 PM
QuoteYou have a so low opinion about Alien movies Johnny that make me laugh everytime you're saying bullshit about them
I love them, otherwise i wouldnt have bought them on dvd (Yes, i actually dont buy movies i dont like)
So the only thing laughable is your reproof. But hey i didnt expect another reply in the first place :D
Be carefull, french people are surprising ;D you know frenchpred aswell.
anyway if we have to talk about the complexity of predator story:
Predator: Dutch and his team go in the jungle to liberate hostage and ecounter a predator
Predator 2: Mike Harrigan track and hunt dealer in Los Angeles and finish by discovering a new ennemy who Kill cop and dealer ::)
Quote from: Le Celticant on Aug 31, 2008, 12:25:54 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 31, 2008, 12:24:22 PM
QuoteYou have a so low opinion about Alien movies Johnny that make me laugh everytime you're saying bullshit about them
I love them, otherwise i wouldnt have bought them on dvd (Yes, i actually dont buy movies i dont like)
So the only thing laughable is your reproof. But hey i didnt expect another reply in the first place :D
Be carefull, french people are surprising ;D you know frenchpred aswell.
anyway if we have to talk about the complexity of predator story:
Predator: Dutch and his team go in the jungle to liberate hostage and ecounter a predator
Predator 2: Mike Harrigan track and hunt dealer in Los Angeles and finish by discovering a new ennemy who Kill cop and dealer ::)
Yes, and i never said otherwise, i said they are both simple storys.
I just dont understand people pretending that the story of the alien movies are masterminded when they are just as simple.
So your arguments are totally out of place.
Alien wasn't a masterpiece in terms of story I don't think. The reason it's so revered is b/c it scared people senseless when it came out, it introduced people to what is arguably the most iconic movie monster of all time, it spawned a magnificent sequel (to hell with A3 and A:R), and the film has a lot of underlying sexual themes to it that are fun to analyse.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 31, 2008, 12:32:12 PM
[Yes, and i never said otherwise, i said they are both simple storys.
I just dont understand people pretending that the story of the alien movies are masterminded when they are just as simple.
So your arguments are totally out of place.
Actually, you said Predator films had more complex stories.
Quotebut as a whole, Predators story is the more complex one.
They didn't.
QuoteActually, you said Predator films had more complex stories.
No, i said that Predator has the more complex story compared to Alien, i just meant the original 2 movies, which are
Alien and
Predator.
Read more clealy please.
QuoteAs for the story thing you´ve mentioned, and that alien fans prefer a good story blablabla, take a look at Predators story and the Alien one, their both simple, but as a whole, Predators story is the more complex one.
Well, that's what you said. The English isn't particularly great, but I can accept that it's not your first language, and it's not like I'd be able to speak german or any other language very well. Because of the incorrect language in some places, its hard to tell what you mean exactly. The correct version of the above quote would be thus:
QuoteAs for the story thing you´ve mentioned, and that Alien fans prefer a good story blahblahblah, take a look at Predator's story and then Alien's one, they're both simple, but as a whole, Predator's story is the more complex one.
So, I got confused by your grammar pretty much. ofc that's not to say your English is terrible, plenty of people to whom English is a first language type it worse than you, but its easy to be confused sometimes.
Alrighty.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 31, 2008, 03:12:32 PM
Alien wasn't a masterpiece in terms of story I don't think. The reason it's so revered is b/c it scared people senseless when it came out, it introduced people to what is arguably the most iconic movie monster of all time, it spawned a magnificent sequel (to hell with A3 and A:R), and the film has a lot of underlying sexual themes to it that are fun to analyse.
well, a few things that have amazed people about Alien is that it can be seen as an art film with some incredible arty visuals such as the design of the ship interiors, a monster designed by a very interesting surrealist artist and a lot to discuss in terms of what is going on in the movie, such as the connection between the company, the android, the alien, it's life cycle, and the history of the remains of a giant dead alien pilot in derelict ship. I think that these elements are presented in such a way which hint at the possibility of a complicated masterpiece of a story still to be worked out. The script itself is interesting too because one can recognise connections and traces of of numerous other science fiction films , stories and mythologies quite cleverly woven together and a couple of connections with Joseph Conrad novels. The movie offers a giant jigsaw puzzle still to be put together. Still, I suppose a lot of people completely missed out on these other aspects of the movie, even if it never had a sequel, I'd still be fascinated by it and willing to endlessly discuss it.
Hm, the art is definitely noteworthy. I wonder how long it took Giger to come up with the derelict's interior design.
A few days.
But then they scrapped his designs because they didn't have the money.
And Johnny, how is Predator's story more complex? They're about the same.
It's not more complex at all. Quel suprise.
Alien is a haunted house with a lone monster stalking people. It's been done a zillion times - though never quite as effectively as Alien. A wonderfully designed enviroment was made for a wonderfully designed creature to do it's business.
Predator is The Most Dangerous Game, except there's an ET hunter rather than human. What made it stand out was the creature.
Both stories are pretty basic at their core, but the dressing and attention to detail makes them great representations of that basic story.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Aug 30, 2008, 03:39:31 AM
Predator films(Cheesy movies) prefer entertainment value in their films, while the people who prefer the Alien films like a story and good characters.
How is Predator cheesy? Predator had great characters and there remembe characters (Like you will remember them years from now like Aliens and Full Metal Jacket had). Predator had a great and simple story just like Alien did.
Sorry but you failed.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Aug 30, 2008, 03:39:31 AM
Well, the people who like the AvP/Predator films(Cheesy movies) prefer entertainment value in their films, while the people who prefer the Alien films like a story and good characters.
Someones a little full of themselves.......
YOu guys all need you're heads checked..
neither of them
but if that was it then the ladder
At least they had some decent gore ..
:-\ ??? this conversation should be shut down on a idiot factor of 9.98
seriously how can anyone argue about why paul f**kin anderson should get a second chance to make another shitty movie that would be more then better off in some other guys better hands
Im gonna ignore this because we and this post have no real say in the issue (THANK GOD)
and if we did it should be for a brand new writer (writers) and director
someone who really wants to make a mark and surprise and or shock or piss off people or make them happy
i hope avp will be like the first bat man movies.. they got worse until someone had the brains and balls to do them right..
Aliens Vs Predator 2010 or 2012 make me wish i had never wasted time getting pissed at the first 2
Quote from: XenoVC on Sep 01, 2008, 01:58:40 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Aug 30, 2008, 03:39:31 AM
Well, the people who like the AvP/Predator films(Cheesy movies) prefer entertainment value in their films, while the people who prefer the Alien films like a story and good characters.
Someones a little full of themselves.......
From the look of his post, he is a Alien fanboy and thinks that if a poll on the internet or he does not not like the movie then everyone hates it.
Typical alien fanboy as always ::).
Quote from: XenoVC on Sep 01, 2008, 01:58:40 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Aug 30, 2008, 03:39:31 AM
Well, the people who like the AvP/Predator films(Cheesy movies) prefer entertainment value in their films, while the people who prefer the Alien films like a story and good characters.
Someones a little full of themselves.......
:D
Clearly.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Aug 30, 2008, 03:39:31 AM
Well, the people who like the AvP/Predator films(Cheesy movies) prefer entertainment value in their films, while the people who prefer the Alien films like a story and good characters.
Oh, really? *coughstuckupalienfanboysayswhatcough*
My friend was right about him, just another Alien fanboy and thinks Aliens is the best movie ever in the history of the world.
Quote from: XenoVC on Sep 01, 2008, 01:58:40 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Aug 30, 2008, 03:39:31 AM
Well, the people who like the AvP/Predator films(Cheesy movies) prefer entertainment value in their films, while the people who prefer the Alien films like a story and good characters.
Someones a little full of themselves.......
And that surprises you why, exactly?
He acts like Predator is some monster B movie flick.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 02, 2008, 01:13:23 AM
Quote from: XenoVC on Sep 01, 2008, 01:58:40 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Aug 30, 2008, 03:39:31 AM
Well, the people who like the AvP/Predator films(Cheesy movies) prefer entertainment value in their films, while the people who prefer the Alien films like a story and good characters.
Someones a little full of themselves.......
And that surprises you why, exactly?
I dont think he's surprised, just pointing out whos full of shit, which in this case happens to be a certain someone with a certain comment that screams out Alien Fanboy.
Well, compare "Alien" and "Predator" and you have two VERY different movies. Yes, both of them have aliens/extra terrestrials in them, but that's about it.
"Predator" is a basic action movie with big muscular men with big guns kicking drug dealing/guerrilla soldier ass in the jungle, just to end up getting their own muscular asses kicked by one single alien that is even more strapping and packing then them. This is a great premise for a movie (hunter (=drug dealers/criminals) gets hunted by a bigger and stronger hunter (=US elite soldiers) who gets hunted by an even bigger and stronger hunter (=the predator)... and so on and so forth). Even so, the movie is executed like an ordinary action movie -- one-liners, macho bullshit, orgies in guns & guts etc.
"Alien" is a basic sci-fi space movie with a hapless Average Al spaceship crew without any guns (ok, they have a few cattle prods and homemade flamethrowers) finding an alien derelict from where they bring back a nightmarish creature that stalks and kills everyone on board. The plot of "Alien" is actually more basic and B-movie-like than the one of "Predator", at least in my eyes, but the way they made the movie turned "Alien" into something way bigger than yet another sci-fi monster movie. It has great characters with great dialog performed by top-class actors (Harry Dean Stanton, John Hurt, Sigorney Weaver, Tom Skeritt, Yaphet Kotto etc.); "Alien" is character-driven - it's all about psychology, terror, behavior and the human psyche. The "Alien" itself is not designed to be cool just for the sake of being cool (which I believe is the case when it comes to the Predator - and the Predator is indeed flawlessly cool and bad-ass beyond comparison *not sarcastic*) -- the alien is art. H.R. Giger, the surrealist artist, created the creature from the basis of his artwork and the theories surrounding Surrealism (such as idea about the unconscious presented by Freud, or the ideas about the Shadow presented by Jung), hence making the Alien creature into something that dwells beyond regular 'coolness' and conventional monster design.
They're both awesome and great in their own way. I mean, "Alien" is a worthless action movie just as "Predator" is a worthless sci-fi film (with the term "sci-fi film" (and not "sci-fi movie") I refer to classic films such as "2001", "Solaris" (the original), "THX" etc.). What I'm trying to say is that if I want to be entertained, as well as gorge in raw sweaty coolness, I'd rather watch "Predator" than "Alien"... And if I want to enjoy great film making, claustrophobic darkness as well as analyzing things, I'd pick "Alien" over "Predator" any time any day. When I crave steak I want a bloody steak and not sushi, and when I want sushi I want fresh delicious sushi and not steak.
"Predator" is a great sci-fi action MOVIE.
"Alien" is a great sci-fi horror FILM.
...In the end they're both great at what they're doing.
There are definately parts of your post I dissagree with, but this part:
Quote"Predator" is a great sci-fi action MOVIE.
"Alien" is a great sci-fi horror FILM.
...In the end they're both great at what they're doing.
Is absolutely true.
Quote"Predator" is a great sci-fi action MOVIE.
"Alien" is a great sci-fi horror FILM.
...In the end they're both great at what they're doing.
AvP:Requiem is a dustbin for dirt
It's great at what he's doing :D by taking all hommage and making a melting pot of shit ::)
-Cheers.
On topic: I think that Paul Anderson should be tha one from two options to create next AvP cause his film was much better.
^^
How about none of them they both suck...
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 03, 2008, 04:34:21 PM
"Predator" is a great sci-fi action MOVIE.
"Alien" is a great sci-fi horror FILM.
So, Alien isn't a movie......then what is it? Aren't films motion pictures, and isn't that what movies are? I dont get what you're trying to say honestly.
I've heard this before. It basically means "film" is something of class. "Movie" is something low-brow relatively speaking.
Film <=> Movie
Just two different way to name a motion picture.
Anderson.
Quote from: Predboy on Sep 07, 2008, 02:32:04 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 03, 2008, 04:34:21 PM
"Predator" is a great sci-fi action MOVIE.
"Alien" is a great sci-fi horror FILM.
So, Alien isn't a movie......then what is it? Aren't films motion pictures, and isn't that what movies are? I dont get what you're trying to say honestly.
Like Doomrulz said:
"I've heard this before. It basically means "film" is something of class. "Movie" is something low-brow relatively speaking." but without the condescending valuating part implied by Doomrulz when he talks about "class" and "low-brow".
I watch just as much 'film' as I watch 'movies' (most of the time there are no distinction between them two), so it would be kind of hypocritical of me if I would deem movies/'entertainment' as illiterate shit for dense-minded troglodytes. Just because one love to eat truffles and escargot it doesn't mean that one can be a burger lover as well.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 14, 2008, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: Predboy on Sep 07, 2008, 02:32:04 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 03, 2008, 04:34:21 PM
"Predator" is a great sci-fi action MOVIE.
"Alien" is a great sci-fi horror FILM.
So, Alien isn't a movie......then what is it? Aren't films motion pictures, and isn't that what movies are? I dont get what you're trying to say honestly.
Like Doomrulz said: "I've heard this before. It basically means "film" is something of class. "Movie" is something low-brow relatively speaking." but without the condescending valuating part implied by Doomrulz when he talks about "class" and "low-brow".
I didn't mean any disrespect, but that's usually the impression I get. To me, film and movie are the same thing. There's no difference except when people try to justify in vain why one film is better than another.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2008, 03:41:11 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 14, 2008, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: Predboy on Sep 07, 2008, 02:32:04 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 03, 2008, 04:34:21 PM
"Predator" is a great sci-fi action MOVIE.
"Alien" is a great sci-fi horror FILM.
So, Alien isn't a movie......then what is it? Aren't films motion pictures, and isn't that what movies are? I dont get what you're trying to say honestly.
Like Doomrulz said: "I've heard this before. It basically means "film" is something of class. "Movie" is something low-brow relatively speaking." but without the condescending valuating part implied by Doomrulz when he talks about "class" and "low-brow".
I didn't mean any disrespect, but that's usually the impression I get. To me, film and movie are the same thing. There's no difference except when people try to justify in vain why one film is better than another.
Technically, in one sense, there is no difference between films and movies, just like there is no difference between Disney and Picasso - both are drawings/pictures, but in another sense they're very different because one of them is dedicated to entertainment, conventional moral & ethics, and fun, whereas the other is indirectly directly dedicated to theories about perception, philosophy etc. as well as being unafraid to explore... To be very simplistic: entertainment has to compromise with the market and the masses whereas art don't give a shit. It's a little bit the same way when it comes to movies/films (off-topic note: and that's one of the reasons why I love
Alien 3 since it didn't try to please the market/masses - Fincher had an artistic vision for the project that he fought for, butting heads with FOX, who in the end managed to somewhat sabotage the whole thing). What I'm saying is that there are different qualities that satisfy different needs depending on your mood.
And also, as said earlier, most motion pictures out there combine the two, i.e. they're movie/film hybrids, leaning more or less to one direction, may it be "film", may it be "movie".
But you're right! A lot of people try to seem smart and sophisticated by dissing what they consider to be "movies", because in their world "films" are the only thing worthy the silver screen.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 14, 2008, 05:45:30 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2008, 03:41:11 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 14, 2008, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: Predboy on Sep 07, 2008, 02:32:04 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 03, 2008, 04:34:21 PM
"Predator" is a great sci-fi action MOVIE.
"Alien" is a great sci-fi horror FILM.
So, Alien isn't a movie......then what is it? Aren't films motion pictures, and isn't that what movies are? I dont get what you're trying to say honestly.
Like Doomrulz said: "I've heard this before. It basically means "film" is something of class. "Movie" is something low-brow relatively speaking." but without the condescending valuating part implied by Doomrulz when he talks about "class" and "low-brow".
I didn't mean any disrespect, but that's usually the impression I get. To me, film and movie are the same thing. There's no difference except when people try to justify in vain why one film is better than another.
Technically, in one sense, there is no difference between films and movies, just like there is no difference between Disney and Picasso - both are drawings/pictures, but in another sense they're very different because one of them is dedicated to entertainment, conventional moral & ethics, and fun, whereas the other is indirectly directly dedicated to theories about perception, philosophy etc. as well as being unafraid to explore... To be very simplistic: entertainment has to compromise with the market and the masses whereas art don't give a shit. It's a little bit the same way when it comes to movies/films (off-topic note: and that's one of the reasons why I love Alien 3 since it didn't try to please the market/masses - Fincher had an artistic vision for the project that he fought for, butting heads with FOX, who in the end managed to somewhat sabotage the whole thing). What I'm saying is that there are different qualities that satisfy different needs depending on your mood.
And also, as said earlier, most motion pictures out there combine the two, i.e. they're movie/film hybrids, leaning more or less to one direction, may it be "film", may it be "movie".
But you're right! A lot of people try to seem smart and sophisticated by dissing what they consider to be "movies", because in their world "films" are the only thing worthy the silver screen.
I dunno for everyone of you, but in french there is only "film" and people teach us that movie is american meanign and film is english one.
Then is it the true, school is full of shit sometimes ::)
No, school's right on that one.
Well, used to be - These days everyone uses both depending on whatever they happen to say first.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Sep 15, 2008, 08:18:18 PM
I dunno for everyone of you, but in french there is only "film" and people teach us that movie is american meanign and film is english one.
Then is it the true, school is full of shit sometimes ::)
I have seen a lot of french films - they are mostly social realist dramas made for a french audience. Nothing wrong with that, but they don't seem to make many films for an international audience.
Do many countries do that though? US and UK films have a default appeal simply because they're in english. Amelie was a big film, but I can't imagine JPJ specifically sat down to make it an international drawcard.
Quote from: SM on Sep 16, 2008, 02:44:17 AM
Do many countries do that though? US and UK films have a default appeal simply because they're in english. Amelie was a big film, but I can't imagine JPJ specifically sat down to make it an international drawcard.
No, english is not the reason. Hollywood movies are popular in countries regardless of language.
Yeah, occasionally independent movies or foreign movies can get a box office but hollywood still dominates.
Quote from: gameoverman on Sep 16, 2008, 02:29:53 AM
I have seen a lot of french films - they are mostly social realist dramas made for a french audience. Nothing wrong with that, but they don't seem to make many films for an international audience.
Of all the ones
you've seen, they're mostly social realist dramas.
But any social drama movie isn't going to have much impact overseas, because they're all relevant to the culture they take place in. American and British social dramas don't do well overseas, and are mostly only released in other English-speaking countries. The Hollywood films that make it big are the action movies, the sci-fis, the fantasies. Stuff that has a more global appeal.
And by the by, Le Celticant meant that in the French
language, there is only one word for movies - Film.
Neither...this series is essentially dead....It was ruined by poor script writing and directing...Fox should give it a rest because they clearly have no intention of doing a film that is on a par with the originals....endless cheap sequels is just tarnisihing the image...hollywood is filled with hack directors and most of them are working in the horror/sci fi genre...Unfortunately the barrage of endless shoddy remakes and sequels will continue...
I sense a good deal of bitterness in a lot the responses in this topic. The general consensus is that AVP was better to Alien fanboys, while AVP-R was better to Predator fanboys.
To say AVP1 was so much better is to have a totally oblivious regard for how badly Anderson shat on the Predator franchise. I think he knows more about film making (especially set design) than the Strauses in general, but he would be better suited for making Alien 5 due to his utter lack of even trying to respect the Predator.
I hope the AVP crossover concept is finished and truly wish it never happened. But I suspect they will try again -- in which case I'd rather have a totally new director's take on it.
Quote from: neoryu33 on Sep 24, 2008, 04:47:09 PM
I sense a good deal of bitterness in a lot the responses in this topic. The general consensus is that AVP was better to Alien fanboys, while AVP-R was better to Predator fanboys.
I get the same feeling.
Quote from: neoryu33 on Sep 24, 2008, 04:47:09 PMTo say AVP1 was so much better is to have a totally oblivious regard for how badly Anderson shat on the Predator franchise. I think he knows more about film making (especially set design) than the Strauses in general, but he would be better suited for making Alien 5 due to his utter lack of even trying to respect the Predator.
It's true he doesn't fully understand the Predator, but he did do a much better job of balancing things out than the Brothers did.
i would say neither.....
but if there HAS to be one or the other i would go with paul only because the S. brothers really really f**ked up in AVP R... whats crazy about it is that they were given the freedom to do a violent r rated avp film and still could not deliever... as for paul with i trust that if he were given the chance to have the same freedom he could deliever something alot better... but then again were talking about paul anderson here... so yeah im going to stick with neither...
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 29, 2008, 06:26:41 PM
Strauses again. No question.
Johnny, I've noticed you to be the biggest Predator fan here. And it's kind of getting on my nerves. Why do you want the Strauses back? If we took the Predator being able to kill about 800 Aliens without being scathed out of the question, why exactly would you want them back? The answer? Most likely, you wouldn't. If you feel you would still want them, list your your reasons, but please don't vote for them only because they make Predators seem all that much more 'teh uberz' than Aliens. Me, myself, didn't like how Grid killed Chopper and Celtic. Instead, I would have preferred that Grid killed Chopper, then was killed by Celtic, who was killed by an Alien that ambushed him.
Neither, but if I had to pick, I'd pick Anderson...as long as there is no team up. Guah...
Anderson can never make a good movie even with a good screenplay.
Out of those two? Anderson...With TSB doing the effects (and w/o all the darkness)....
The Strause Brothers because they understand how important the classic designs are.
Pity they didn't realise how important anything else about the original movies were.
And what the hell did they do to prove they understood how important the original Alien designs were? They changed the freaking face-hugger for crying out loud. That's the one thing that's never changed in all the movies, and they go and friggin' change it.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 27, 2008, 08:35:12 PM
Pity they didn't realise how important anything else about the original movies were.
And what the hell did they do to prove they understood how important the original Alien designs were? They changed the freaking face-hugger for crying out loud. That's the one thing that's never changed in all the movies, and they go and friggin' change it.
Well this was their first movie. I didn't expect it to be a masterpiece. I think they did a good job for the most part. They captured some feels the original movies had.
The Alien's design was ok just very poorly portrayed in the movie I think. I don't think there was anything wrong with the new facehugger look. Mainly it was just different colors.
Quote from: The Wolf on Dec 27, 2008, 08:40:04 PM
Well this was their first movie. I didn't expect it to be a masterpiece.
No-one was asking for one. Just a movie that respected both creatures and had the tiniest bit of thought put into it.
QuoteThey captured some feels the original movies had.
...which? "Ohshit I can't see"?
Quote from: SiL on Dec 27, 2008, 08:35:12 PM
Pity they didn't realise how important anything else about the original movies were.
And what the hell did they do to prove they understood how important the original Alien designs were? They changed the freaking face-hugger for crying out loud. That's the one thing that's never changed in all the movies, and they go and friggin' change it.
How did they change the facehugger?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 27, 2008, 09:06:51 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 27, 2008, 08:35:12 PM
Pity they didn't realise how important anything else about the original movies were.
And what the hell did they do to prove they understood how important the original Alien designs were? They changed the freaking face-hugger for crying out loud. That's the one thing that's never changed in all the movies, and they go and friggin' change it.
How did they change the facehugger?
They made them a dark green/brown color. But I think they changed the facehuggers color in the movie because you see the normal pale color ones in the beginning but at the scene when all the bums get facehugged their the green/brown color.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 27, 2008, 08:45:36 PM
Quote from: The Wolf on Dec 27, 2008, 08:40:04 PM
Well this was their first movie. I didn't expect it to be a masterpiece.
No-one was asking for one. Just a movie that respected both creatures and had the tiniest bit of thought put into it.
QuoteThey captured some feels the original movies had.
...which? "Ohshit I can't see"?
I enjoyed it because it had the same kind of value as movies like Demons. You just want it for the action it gives us. Who going to go see an AvP movie expecting a great flawless story? To me it was like a nice Predator tribute. Its good to see the Predator redeem itself after AvP.
haha that's old. Its simple, whether you're stubborn about it or not, cranking up the brightness makes all the difference. But I meant how the Predator was portrayed. Not just the performance either. Several scenes reminds me of the original Predator. Not too much there for the Alien though.
Quote from: aliensetta on Dec 27, 2008, 09:17:25 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 27, 2008, 09:06:51 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 27, 2008, 08:35:12 PM
Pity they didn't realise how important anything else about the original movies were.
And what the hell did they do to prove they understood how important the original Alien designs were? They changed the freaking face-hugger for crying out loud. That's the one thing that's never changed in all the movies, and they go and friggin' change it.
How did they change the facehugger?
They made them a dark green/brown color. But I think they changed the facehuggers color in the movie because you see the normal pale color ones in the beginning but at the scene when all the bums get facehugged their the green/brown color.
<_< Nitpick IMO. You don't see them all that often for it to really matter.
Quote from: aliensetta on Dec 27, 2008, 09:17:25 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 27, 2008, 09:06:51 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 27, 2008, 08:35:12 PM
Pity they didn't realise how important anything else about the original movies were.
And what the hell did they do to prove they understood how important the original Alien designs were? They changed the freaking face-hugger for crying out loud. That's the one thing that's never changed in all the movies, and they go and friggin' change it.
How did they change the facehugger?
They made them a dark green/brown color. But I think they changed the facehuggers color in the movie because you see the normal pale color ones in the beginning but at the scene when all the bums get facehugged their the green/brown color.
I think their explanation for that was the pale ones were the normal ones from AvP and the new colored ones were "warrior" facehuggers as in they lay warrior alien embryos in hosts.
Quote from: The Wolf on Dec 27, 2008, 11:38:11 PM
Quote from: aliensetta on Dec 27, 2008, 09:17:25 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 27, 2008, 09:06:51 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 27, 2008, 08:35:12 PM
Pity they didn't realise how important anything else about the original movies were.
And what the hell did they do to prove they understood how important the original Alien designs were? They changed the freaking face-hugger for crying out loud. That's the one thing that's never changed in all the movies, and they go and friggin' change it.
How did they change the facehugger?
They made them a dark green/brown color. But I think they changed the facehuggers color in the movie because you see the normal pale color ones in the beginning but at the scene when all the bums get facehugged their the green/brown color.
I think their explanation for that was the pale ones were the normal ones from AvP and the new colored ones were "warrior" facehuggers as in they lay warrior alien embryos in hosts.
Okay those facehugger, or should I say "Warrior Facehuggers", are the ones that lay warrior alien embryos in the hosts, then tell me what do they called those facehuggers in Aliens? Pale Warrior facehuggers?
No, I'd just call them facehuggers. Hey, that was the Strause explanation, not mine.
Quote from: The Wolf on Dec 27, 2008, 11:17:43 PM
Who going to go see an AvP movie expecting a great flawless story?
Nobody. And nobody has ever, ever asked that of AvPR. Not before it came out, not now.
QuoteTo me it was like a nice Predator tribute. Its good to see the Predator redeem itself after AvP.
f**k the Predators, this is AvP. What about the Aliens? I know two Predators got killed by one Alien; I know they ran off with the humans. They still put up a fight and had some cool scenes. The Aliens had
nothing in Requiem.
QuoteIts simple, whether you're stubborn about it or not, cranking up the brightness makes all the difference.
It mostly just makes the black turn grey and pixelated.
QuoteBut I meant how the Predator was portrayed. Not just the performance either. Several scenes reminds me of the original Predator. Not too much there for the Alien though.
And once more, f**k the Predators. This is AvP. There are two creatures, two franchises. Even as a crossover it fails because it only gives a shit about one side. At least Anderson gave his Predators
some credit.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2008, 12:15:36 AM
Quote from: The Wolf on Dec 27, 2008, 11:17:43 PM
Who going to go see an AvP movie expecting a great flawless story?
Nobody. And nobody has ever, ever asked that of AvPR. Not before it came out, not now.
QuoteTo me it was like a nice Predator tribute. Its good to see the Predator redeem itself after AvP.
f**k the Predators, this is AvP. What about the Aliens? I know two Predators got killed by one Alien; I know they ran off with the humans. They still put up a fight and had some cool scenes. The Aliens had nothing in Requiem.
QuoteIts simple, whether you're stubborn about it or not, cranking up the brightness makes all the difference.
It mostly just makes the black turn grey and pixelated.
QuoteBut I meant how the Predator was portrayed. Not just the performance either. Several scenes reminds me of the original Predator. Not too much there for the Alien though.
And once more, f**k the Predators. This is AvP. There are two creatures, two franchises. Even as a crossover it fails because it only gives a shit about one side. At least Anderson gave his Predators some credit.
That was a rhetorical question.
No don't f**k the Predator. I would rather it be fair but I'll take it. The Aliens had something.. the Predalien. People will laugh at that but what did the Predators have in AvP? Scar?.. haha
It works fine for me, dude.
Once again, no don't f**k Predators. Yes, I understand this is AvP. There's nothing I can do about it. But sense its good Predator action, I will enjoy it. That's the only way I can watch the movie and get a kick out of it.
Quote from: The Wolf on Dec 28, 2008, 12:21:10 AM
The Aliens had something.. the Predalien.
You mean one of the many, many things Alien fans
disliked about the movie? The one with the reproductive method that makes no sense, the appearance that looks retarded and has little coherency with how any other Alien has ever looked, that stood around waiting for Wolf to do a strip-tease in the final fight?
The Bros are idiots. It doesn't matter if it's their first movie, they just clearly don't know what the f**k they're talking about. Even when they tried to big-up the Predator they made him look incompetent and stupid. The Predators in AvP were better fighters.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2008, 12:15:36 AM
f**k the Predators, this is AvP. What about the Aliens? I know two Predators got killed by one Alien; I know they ran off with the humans. They still put up a fight and had some cool scenes. The Aliens had nothing in Requiem.
That's not true, and you know it. The Aliens, at the very
least, had the national guard scene.
Great. One 80 second scene out of a 90 minute movie. That just makes it all better.
Isn't this thread just a variation on the AvP vs. AvPR thread?
Paul W.S Anderson, he understood how to give a film tension, I appreciated his efforts in AvP in making the movie not just a giant fight scene, the dark corridors, tense atmosphere and interesting take on predator and human history really did wonders for the film.
Adding more than one predator allowed the aliens to kill some predators, giving the impression that the aliens were formidable adversaries to the predators, ( they're way out of the humans league, both of them.) He may or may not have understood this, but it made the movie good nevertheless.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2008, 01:21:47 AM
Great. One 80 second scene out of a 90 minute movie. That just makes it all better.
You're just being stubborn. Its not that hard to enjoy that movie.. well atleast it isn't for me.
Quote from: The Wolf on Dec 28, 2008, 02:59:22 AM
Its not that hard to enjoy that movie..
It is!
It's not just on the level of being an Alien fan. Just as someone who enjoys movies, it fails. It just f**king
fails. It's terribly constructed and flawed on almost every single conceivable level. It is the kind of movie I could take and construct course around telling someone how
not to make an action/sci-fi/horror movie. How not to make a sequel. Just plain how not to make a
movie, period.
There is a level of genuine ineptness behind the film's creation that pervades the entire thing. From the directors' incompetence to the lack of creativity to the inability to withhold internal and external logic to the lackluster execution of action and scares to the acting to the dialogue to ... everything.
If you can enjoy the film, more power to you, but it's a bad movie. At the end of the day, without fear of contradiction, whether it's liked or not,
it's a bad movie.
I agree with you SiL, all what the Strause Brothers gave us was a sh*tty movie, a bunch of sh*tty Aliens, and a sh*tty Predator.
It's intereting because, watching AVP-R is like going through many terrible experiences, for example...
-- AVP-R is like trying to motivate yourself to do something thats very boring.
-- AVP-R is like an annoying eye check up you get from the doctors office.
-- AVP-R is like playing a PC video game with the graphic settings turned to low and you only get 25 fps max.
-- AVP-R is like trying to watch your favorite tv show on a very crappy tv that uses bunny ears antennas that really don't clear up the signal.
-- AVP-R is like listening to the entire AVP-R soundtrack blind folded.
-- AVP-R is like........blue balls.
QuoteIts simple, whether you're stubborn about it or not, cranking up the brightness makes all the difference
That sentence is so f**king ridiculous,I think I just lost some braincells. He should not have to do that in the first place! The fact that someone has to adjust the settings on their television in order to (barely)see what the f**k is going on,is a complete & utter failure on the filmmakers' part.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2008, 01:21:47 AM
Great. One 80 second scene out of a 90 minute movie. That just makes it all better.
A poorly shot,poorly edited 80 second scene that lacks any sense of tension,atmosphere or style. And to be honest,I think '80 seconds' is stretching it quite a bit.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2008, 03:05:41 AM
Quote from: The Wolf on Dec 28, 2008, 02:59:22 AM
Its not that hard to enjoy that movie..
It is!
It's not just on the level of being an Alien fan. Just as someone who enjoys movies, it fails. It just f**king fails. It's terribly constructed and flawed on almost every single conceivable level. It is the kind of movie I could take and construct course around telling someone how not to make an action/sci-fi/horror movie. How not to make a sequel. Just plain how not to make a movie, period.
There is a level of genuine ineptness behind the film's creation that pervades the entire thing. From the directors' incompetence to the lack of creativity to the inability to withhold internal and external logic to the lackluster execution of action and scares to the acting to the dialogue to ... everything.
If you can enjoy the film, more power to you, but it's a bad movie. At the end of the day, without fear of contradiction, whether it's liked or not, it's a bad movie.
All this hate, yet you
still bought the DVD. Nice.
Simple answer to topic: Neither.
Get someone new...like Guilermo Del Toro.
Quote from: StealthHunter on Dec 28, 2008, 01:21:26 PM
The fact that someone has to adjust the settings on their television in order to (barely)see what the f**k is going on,is a complete & utter failure on the filmmakers' part.
Whether the BS darkened the entire film up to hide shoby shots is still not an effective method and just flat out unprofesstional. Whether they darkened up the film and couldn't fix it in the end before it's release is still yet another sign of how unprofesstional they are. I understand there are many challenges one has to face in the directors chair and sometimes you have to let certain things go because theres nothing you can do about it or you ran out of time and money. But the BS don't fall in that category, they had a choice.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 28, 2008, 07:25:43 PM
All this hate, yet you still bought the DVD. Nice.
Yeah, and? Damned if I'll start downloading movies, no matter how much I may hate them. Only got it to have all the movies, nothing more, nothing less.
I didn't realy care for either but if i had to pick one it'd be the Strause bros.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2008, 08:16:46 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 28, 2008, 07:25:43 PM
All this hate, yet you still bought the DVD. Nice.
Yeah, and? Damned if I'll start downloading movies, no matter how much I may hate them. Only got it to have all the movies, nothing more, nothing less.
And, I think you're full of rubbish. Why get off on bashing the film yet spend money on it? It only makes you a hypocrite.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 28, 2008, 11:01:42 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2008, 08:16:46 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 28, 2008, 07:25:43 PM
All this hate, yet you still bought the DVD. Nice.
Yeah, and? Damned if I'll start downloading movies, no matter how much I may hate them. Only got it to have all the movies, nothing more, nothing less.
And, I think you're full of rubbish. Why get off on bashing the film yet spend money on it? It only makes you a hypocrite.
While i agree with you that its
very stupid to buy a product you hate the crap out of just to let it collect some dust on the shelf i must say we had this conservation before and you should just let it rest, if he doesn't like it then he doesn't like it, doesn't change mine or your opinion about the movie does it?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 28, 2008, 11:01:42 PM
And, I think you're full of rubbish. Why get off on bashing the film yet spend money on it? It only makes you a hypocrite.
I'd be a hypocrite if I said I'd never spend money on it again after the theaters,
then bought it.
Hating a movie and owning it are entirely unrelated matters. I don't like
Plan Nine From Outer Space or
Swamp Thing, but I own both of them. I bought the first because of its infamy and never seeing it in rental shops, and the latter because it was super cheap and had a cheesy monster on the cover.
Like I said, I bought it just to have all the movies. That was the
only reason.
And it doesn't "collect dust". I might dislike the movie, but other people here will watch it.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 29, 2008, 01:45:35 AM
While i agree with you that its very stupid to buy a product you hate the crap out of just to let it collect some dust on the shelf i must say we had this conservation before and you should just let it rest, if he doesn't like it then he doesn't like it, doesn't change mine or your opinion about the movie does it?
I don't want to change his opinion. We're just having a debate is all.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 29, 2008, 04:51:18 AM
I'd be a hypocrite if I said I'd never spend money on it again after the theaters, then bought it.
Hating a movie and owning it are entirely unrelated matters. I don't like Plan Nine From Outer Space or Swamp Thing, but I own both of them. I bought the first because of its infamy and never seeing it in rental shops, and the latter because it was super cheap and had a cheesy monster on the cover.
Like I said, I bought it just to have all the movies. That was the only reason.
And it doesn't "collect dust". I might dislike the movie, but other people here will watch it.
Ehh...to me that doesn't make any sense. Why buy something if you don't like it? It's a waste of money. I've been tempted to buy AvP on
numerous occasions, even when the Extended DVD was marked down to a dirt-cheap $6.99, but I know I don't like the film, so what's the point.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 29, 2008, 06:40:16 AM
Ehh...to me that doesn't make any sense. Why buy something if you don't like it? It's a waste of money. I've been tempted to buy AvP on numerous occasions, even when the Extended DVD was marked down to a dirt-cheap $6.99, but I know I don't like the film, so what's the point.
I cannot claim to know Sil's mind, so I;m basng what he thinks on my perspective.
Imagine you have a collection of 'action figures' or miniatures for table top war gaming. You need that one extra figure to complete your colection/ army but you dont want to go to the hassle of getting an almost exact replica of another figure/ painting and basing the thing, but you're just that one guy off. Some people buy stuff for the 'greater good' of the collection, rather than just for said crappy figure.
Or maybe I'm wrong....
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 29, 2008, 06:40:16 AM
Ehh...to me that doesn't make any sense. Why buy something if you don't like it? It's a waste of money.
Did I not just give the same answer twice in a row ... ?
Also, commentaries, "was it really that bad" factor, and "evidence in case of argument".
I know what you're getting at Sil. When I got my 360, I bought Halo 1 and then 2 before I bought three, just so I could say I owned them all. You want a total collection. That's probably the only reason for buying that movie.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 29, 2008, 11:47:35 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 29, 2008, 06:40:16 AM
Ehh...to me that doesn't make any sense. Why buy something if you don't like it? It's a waste of money.
Did I not just give the same answer twice in a row ... ?
Also, commentaries, "was it really that bad" factor, and "evidence in case of argument".
Indeed you did. But it doesn't ring with me. So leave's just leave it at that, saavy?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 29, 2008, 03:59:31 PM
Indeed you did. But it doesn't ring with me.
...What's to ring?
i think Paul W.S Anderson did a great job with the alien feel, and the Strause Brothers did a great job with the predator feel. i picked the Strause brothers cause they were trying to be more original to the oldies, but truly, i liked both of their work. :-\
Quote from: SiL on Dec 29, 2008, 08:13:25 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 29, 2008, 03:59:31 PM
Indeed you did. But it doesn't ring with me.
...What's to ring?
The practice of "buying just to complete the set".
And again, what's to ring?
I also own all of the Friday the 13th movies just to have all of them (Although in those cases I hadn't actually seen anything from 5-10 when I got them...), even if Jason X is one of the most hopeless movies I've ever seen.
It's just what some people do. Is it silly? Sure, but it's a valid excuse.
And hell, sometimes I just get the urge to remind myself about the film, and sit down and try to watch it. I never get through it, but it gives me enough of a reminder not to see the film again for a while.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 28, 2008, 03:05:41 AM
Quote from: The Wolf on Dec 28, 2008, 02:59:22 AM
Its not that hard to enjoy that movie..
It is!
It's not just on the level of being an Alien fan. Just as someone who enjoys movies, it fails. It just f**king fails. It's terribly constructed and flawed on almost every single conceivable level. It is the kind of movie I could take and construct course around telling someone how not to make an action/sci-fi/horror movie. How not to make a sequel. Just plain how not to make a movie, period.
There is a level of genuine ineptness behind the film's creation that pervades the entire thing. From the directors' incompetence to the lack of creativity to the inability to withhold internal and external logic to the lackluster execution of action and scares to the acting to the dialogue to ... everything.
If you can enjoy the film, more power to you, but it's a bad movie. At the end of the day, without fear of contradiction, whether it's liked or not, it's a bad movie.
One good bad movie.
"Revives Thread*
If I have to choose between Paul "Who Sucks" Anderson or The Sh*tty Brothers, I'll choose Paul because, for me, he actually did a very descent AVP movie. Also, if he is going to direct the third one then I want him to fix every mistakes he made in the first one including the Predator's face, the Alien's tail, and the plot setting.
Both of them, working together. Atleast they tried to make good movies. Even if they do disappoint again, I don't care enough about the franchise so it won't bother me :P.
Anderson could certainly teach them about using a budget more effectively and the Brothers will teach him about putting some action in a movie, yeesh.
I would give P.W.Anderson a chance to create another AvP film. I`m 100% honest. He is good director, he just needs good script.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 27, 2010, 09:00:13 PM
and the Brothers will teach him about putting some action in a movie, yeesh.
Except Anderson did that plenty fine with most of his other movies, so no.
He didn't with AvP.
And yet he still did it with his others, so it's not something he needs to be taught.
I dont get why people say there wasnt enough action in it. its a 90 minute movie and from 30 minutes in until the end thats all there is.
The Aliens and Predators don't start fighting until 54 minutes in.
The movie is over 30 minutes later.
You don't have a fifty minute build for 30 minutes intermittent payoff.
I'd pick Anderson. To be honest I found AVP did butcher the Predator ( not in that they were weak but that he took everything from the comcis and basically did a crappy adaptation of Prey) but AVP:R sucked on every level.
The Predator " Wolf " sucked.
The Aliens sucked.
It was overly gory.
Characters we didn't care about.
Choppy editing
Utterly crappy dialoge.
I could go on but i'd rather have a bad adaptation of Prey then AVP:R again.
Quote from: SiL on May 27, 2010, 09:43:08 PM
And yet he still did it with his others, so it's not something he needs to be taught.
Ok fine then, give him a helping hand.
Quote from: SiL on May 27, 2010, 09:43:08 PM
And yet he still did it with his others, so it's not something he needs to be taught.
But clearly it needs to be reinforced.
Quoteits a 90 minute movie and from 30 minutes in until the end thats all there is.
Two very short fights and lots of running away down dark corridors qualifies as "action"?
AVP fights -
Grid vs Celtic. - A few minutes
Alien ambushes scar and is killed by Alexa. - Like 2 secondds
Scar blows a few aliens away. - Like 10 seconds
Alien pounches on Scar and Alexa shoots it. - Like 20 seconds.
Queen vs Alex and Scar. - A few minutes.
In these fights we don't get more then 10 minutes of action. Perhaps a bit more ... And in three of those above fights Alexa SAVES Scar.
Grid v Celtic and Queen v Scar & Lex I count as fights.
Everything else is over too quick to qualify.
It'd be like calling the scene in Resurrection where Vriess shoots the Alien in the ceiling a "fight".
Queen vs. S&L was so boring. It felt more like a race than anything else.
Except for the bits when they were fighting.
Which was boring. First it was a bitch slap, then a race, then tug of war.
Still put it above the previous half hours worth of running. Just.
Not really an achievement, but there you go.
Ya, this running around wasn't quite as dark.
Why is there no third choice?
'Cos only directors who've previously directed an AvP can RETURN to direct another.
....... If one is made than it should be someone else.(who is winning?)
Paulie.
Quote from: SiL on May 27, 2010, 09:49:51 PM
The Aliens and Predators don't start fighting until 54 minutes in.
The movie is over 30 minutes later.
You don't have a fifty minute build for 30 minutes intermittent payoff.
Yes but the Predators attack the humans on the surface after 30 minutes and from that moment on theres never more than a few minutes of exposition goes by, before some form of mayhem occurs. I dont see the film as a 55 minute build up because shit hits the fan after 30 minutes, so i get the full hour of humans in peril. But yes i agree it doesnt really kick into full gear until about the hour mark but i enjoy the middle portion of the film just as much so i have no problem with it.
you could say the same about Predator though. most of the film is a build up, with isolated, short exciting action segments, here and there, and its only really the last 30 minutes when the real shit hits the fan.
I do think the film would have benefited greatly from a 2 hour running time with a couple of more action scenes and a better build up introducing the characters because as it is, its all too rushed. I would of liked a one on one with scar and grid towards the end, something im sure eveyrone was expecting, otherwise what was the point in making one of the aliens distinctive if it did nothing after its big moment.
And in script there is such fight. I`m quite positive that parts of it were even filmed.
Through whole film I was waiting for Predalien to show up, and I was disappointed that we only get predburster. I think that Paul would gone with Dorman`s design as his film was quite heavily comics-related.
Paul.
Get him a good script, and he'll pull out an even better film.
None of them they had their chance and they blew it he he
I'd go with Paul. He's made some films that I actually liked.
Death Race and Event Horizon are actually pretty good.
I found Mortal Kombat to be pretty good for a video game adaptation as well.
The sequel is a completely different story...
Quote from: First Blood on May 29, 2010, 06:50:52 PM
I found Mortal Kombat to be pretty good for a video game adaptation as well.
The sequel is a completely different story...
Which easily destroyed the franchise.
QuoteBut yes i agree it doesnt really kick into full gear until about the hour mark but i enjoy the middle portion of the film just as much so i have no problem with it.
I have a problem with the fact that it never kicks into full gear. It comes close a couple of times, but then goes back to being a frustrating schnoozefest.
Paul W.S Anderson
the Strause brothers sucked hard in AVP:R and shoudl stay away from anything related to such.
Quote from: SM on May 31, 2010, 01:01:47 AM
QuoteBut yes i agree it doesnt really kick into full gear until about the hour mark but i enjoy the middle portion of the film just as much so i have no problem with it.
I have a problem with the fact that it never kicks into full gear. It comes close a couple of times, but then goes back to being a frustrating schnoozefest.
I suppose youre right there. Even though when you dissect it, theres actually quite alot going on, and its a fast paced movie, full of action set-pieces it never really keeps the action going. there just seems to snippets of things happening here and there. not that its a bad thing necessarily because it depends on the type of movie it is, but for AvP it just doesnt feel right. I must admit on repeat viewings it didnt seem as bad (because it flows faster when you know whats coming) but when i first saw it i got that exact feeling. that it wasnt bad, but the action segments were all too short and dotted about, building up to............nothing but more short set pieces. something AVPR did again only much much worse because you couldnt even see the goddamn action.
Not even. AvP:R had action from the get-go. There's a reason why I maintain it's the more entertaining film of the two.
Action from the get go? The vast majority of the action is covered in dense rain/ dark lighting. I didn't even see much.
I saw a quater of wolf , a half of two aliens , parts of the Predalien ... IDK it was action but s**tty action. AVP at least had two decent fights.
AVP:R had Wolf and the Aliens fighting in blackness and then a weak end fight with the Predalien.
In my opinion AVP had better action. Although they both suck.
I will always prefer Requiem's action. And the darkness didn't bug me.
Nor I, and its puzzling that so many people complain about not being able to see clearly. Maybe the problem lies in their staring at computers all day and night.
QuoteEven though when you dissect it, theres actually quite alot going on, and its a fast paced movie, full of action set-pieces it never really keeps the action going.
There's a total of two action set peices. Everything else is just people running down dark corridors, occassionally stopping to have a yack. For the most part it's aimless.
If you want an action movie with Aliens, then watch Aliens. Anderson claims to have done just that, but there's no evidence of it in his film.
How can you ask that? They both did such a good job, I can't choose! ;)
Quote from: Noir-Gojira on May 31, 2010, 08:25:04 PM
Nor I, and its puzzling that so many people complain about not being able to see clearly. Maybe the problem lies in their staring at computers all day and night.
Thing is, that I've seen AvPR
before using a little more the computer... :-X
obviously neither but if i had to choose i'd say PWSA, i think if he was given the freedom to make it hard R, he could do it, MK, Event Horizon, Resident Evil, all good movies as far as i'm concerned.
The Strause Brothers are not allowed to touch a camera again. Even a mobile phone camera.
Maybe Anderson but with a REAL budget and a R rating.
Anderson did a good job when it came to showing Alien and Predator together on screen for the first time!
This is one epic confrontation scene! The music and everyhting!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2l9tt3AEug
Quote from: Requiem28 on Jun 18, 2010, 08:17:13 PM
Anderson did a good job when it came to showing Alien and Predator together on screen for the first time!
This is one epic confrontation scene! The music and everyhting!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2l9tt3AEug
If i were you requiem i would change your signature and avvy NOW!
Quote from: Uncanny Psycho on Jun 18, 2010, 08:21:55 PM
Quote from: Requiem28 on Jun 18, 2010, 08:17:13 PM
Anderson did a good job when it came to showing Alien and Predator together on screen for the first time!
This is one epic confrontation scene! The music and everyhting!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2l9tt3AEug
If i were you requiem i would change your signature and avvy NOW!
why would that be?
Quote from: Requiem28 on Jun 18, 2010, 08:28:06 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Psycho on Jun 18, 2010, 08:21:55 PM
Quote from: Requiem28 on Jun 18, 2010, 08:17:13 PM
Anderson did a good job when it came to showing Alien and Predator together on screen for the first time!
This is one epic confrontation scene! The music and everyhting!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2l9tt3AEug
If i were you requiem i would change your signature and avvy NOW!
why would that be?
such things are not allowed on the site, and can result in a ban!
What kills that moment is the stupid long tail they used to achieve that. Music was good though.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jun 18, 2010, 08:45:02 PM
What kills that moment is the stupid long tail they used to achieve that.
that's true.
The Bros. if I had to choose.
After having stabbed repeatedly myself with one more vision of AvPR I wholeheartedly confirm my preference for Anderson.
Anderson can make some sort of decent character development that manages you to remember at least one or two memorable characters. The Brothers can't. Not one character that was kind of rememberable. ONE.
Anderson can use a dark photography without managing it to be so dark that you almost have to use night goggles to see it. The Brothers do the other way around.
And last but not least,
Anderson can do fu**ing pacing.
Quote from: Requiem28 on Jun 18, 2010, 10:13:55 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jun 18, 2010, 08:45:02 PM
What kills that moment is the stupid long tail they used to achieve that.
that's true.
I didn't even notice it until the fans started to bitch and moan.
I find myself in a situation much like Noir's. Never, never noticed it.
To be sincere I have a hard time noticing it's "stretched" even now.
Me too.
---Edit---
And to be honest, I`d take gigant tails any day insted of such f**ked up Predalien!
Or the almighty Octopus Man.
Or Hyperthiroidic Aliens.
Or a Space Jockey in a Trophy Room.
Gaaah!
:-X [throws up on keyboard and monitor] :-X
Why you had to remind me this? Why!
I watched AvPR yesterday.
I have to get something out of my system or I will explode out of the hate!
Lest time I`ve seen AvP-r was in 2007. And I`m not going to touch this film anywhere soon.
*Sighs* It was 2 years. I was so optimist...
You know what, my girlfriend is also A/P enthusiast. She watched all Alien, Predator and first AvP film and wanted to try AvP-r. I told her that this is a really shitty way to lose another two hours of her life.
But get back to the subject. I strongly believe that with good script Anderson can make really good AvP film.
Yeah, the weak point of Anderson is script. Because his visuals are fantastic. Another good thing is that he, along with the SFX maker, wanted to keep what rendered the A/Ps great in their films, alas the suits. The only cgi shots are the "necessary" ones. :)
ok honestly if there should ever be a avp 3 movie and it should be between those directors then yeah im going with anderson and my only reason for that is he is a better director.
Between these two directors? I'd say Anderson; he's at least somewhat competent when it comes to storytelling and characterization techniques. I'd rather have someone better though.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 19, 2010, 07:26:34 PM
I'd rather have someone better though.
Like?
I'd really like to see something from Del Toro on the subject.
I dunno; somebody whose made more than 1 good movie.
Umm... good movies... Independence Day and Stargate...
...I got one!!
;D
Oh my god, NO!
Aliens and Predators fights with booms everywhere, and suddenly an earthquake, a giant space ship, a gigantic wave, a snow storm and a giant lizard suddenly all come in!
Instant classic. :D :D :D
*sobs* Have you no decency, sir? Have you no decency?
...No wait, I forgot Yellowstone going suddenly boom.
/Mini-Thread.
No seriously, I think Peter Jackson could do good. He has done King Kong and the Lord of the Rings Trilogy.
Sam Raimi handled well the first 2 Spiderman.
David Twohy has directed the Riddick films. And those are really, really good ones!
Paul WS Anderson has done Mortal Kombat and Resident Evil
Steven Spielberg... all of his films. :D
James Cameron has done 2 Terminator films, Aliens, The Abyss and Titanic (that is good in its genre)
Neill Blomkamp has done District 9 (that counts x5)
Others?
Alfred Hitchcock. Or Ed Wood.
What about Len Wiseman or Patrick Tatopoulos?
*Cough.* Ridley Scott. *Cough.*
Richard Donner
David Twohy. Enough said.
Alex Proyas would be also nice. But if I had to choose one person I`d like to see A/P film made it would be Tim Burton. That would be one freaky A/P!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 21, 2010, 05:15:46 AM
David Twohy. Enough said.
As I said lol.
His visuals and dialogues are fantastic.
Paul Anderson because AvP seemed to have overall better flow and was at least believable.
I vote for neither as both of their movies were abominations. Get James Cameron, Ridley Scott, or even Robert to make a new AvP film.
Quote from: King Lordi on Jun 23, 2010, 06:20:26 AM
Paul Anderson because AvP seemed to have overall better flow and was at least believable.
You believed Aliens and Predators exist, have pyramids under the nice, and come back every 100 years for a hunt.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 23, 2010, 06:06:13 PM
Quote from: King Lordi on Jun 23, 2010, 06:20:26 AM
Paul Anderson because AvP seemed to have overall better flow and was at least believable.
You believed Aliens and Predators exist, have pyramids under the nice, and come back every 100 years for a hunt.
It's more believable than the laughably bad army in AvPR or the laughably bad interaction between the characters. ;)
What army? ;)
Quote from: spider_one on Jun 23, 2010, 02:58:33 PM
I vote for neither as both of their movies were abominations. Get James Cameron, Ridley Scott, or even Robert to make a new AvP film.
Do you actually think one of them would touch an AvP movie?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 23, 2010, 08:29:19 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 23, 2010, 06:06:13 PM
Quote from: King Lordi on Jun 23, 2010, 06:20:26 AM
Paul Anderson because AvP seemed to have overall better flow and was at least believable.
You believed Aliens and Predators exist, have pyramids under the nice, and come back every 100 years for a hunt.
It's more believable than the laughably bad army in AvPR or the laughably bad interaction between the characters. ;)
Not really. People can be unnecessarily awkward and if you're military training sucks, well... ;D
I honestly think neither did good to the franchise.
Paul brought in a lot of EU material and basically tried to take it and make it a film. But in the end his results were poor IMO.
The Strause Bros basically made their movie a homage fest. No plot , terrible acting, 10 second fights, lots of blood.
But a homage fest none the less.
I'd pick Anderson but it was close.
If I had to pick, Anderson by faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar.
Why don't we make sure that neither touch an AvP movie again? *reaches for shotgun*
^ I'm with you , "shotguns loaded....... it's time to kick ass while chewing bubble gum , and i'm all out of gum" 8)
Mr Piper I could not agree more with your statement.
All three of them are douches. Give me a legit script and I'll give you all a f**king epic AVP!
It'll take more than some fancy sigs and flashy avatars to make a movie!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 24, 2010, 06:44:24 PM
Not really. People can be unnecessarily awkward and if you're military training sucks, well... ;D
You wouldn't gonna send sucky military in an emergence, would you? ;)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 25, 2010, 01:09:46 AM
It'll take more than some fancy sigs and flashy avatars to make a movie!
You are right my sir, thats why i would make such a bad-ass movie with my pure awesomeness
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 25, 2010, 11:15:32 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 24, 2010, 06:44:24 PM
Not really. People can be unnecessarily awkward and if you're military training sucks, well... ;D
You wouldn't gonna send sucky military in an emergence, would you? ;)
No, but if your soldiers are tripping, not much choice is afforded to you.
Quote from: Predboy on Aug 29, 2008, 04:48:23 PM
Neither, because both directors f**ked up the predators and aliens.
That statement says it all.
Namely that fans are whiny bitches who continue to complain long after the source of their ire has passed.
we should add Nimrod Antal here.
Whats the point?
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 02, 2010, 10:55:57 PM
Whats the point?
he seems to be a much better director out of the two.
^
But the point of the thread is to choose between the two directors of the AvP films. If one's going to add Nimród, why not add Jimmy, Riddles, and Johnny-boy to the choices as well?
Quote from: Requiem28 on Jul 02, 2010, 11:49:32 PM
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 02, 2010, 10:55:57 PM
Whats the point?
he seems to be a much better director out of the two.
You want another Predator fan boy to direct a AVP movie? Did you see what happened to AVPR? It was utter clap.
I prefer a director who is both a Alien
and a Predator fanboy, if there is one of course.
The Strause bro's weren't " Predator fanboys." Their favorite movie of all time is " Aliens."
Though they did make a movie that made Aliens ( and Wolf) stupider then can be.
Overall they were just bad directors not biased fanboys.
If i had to choose, i would say Anderson. I think he is CAPABLE of of making a good avp film..
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 03, 2010, 02:54:56 AM
If i had to choose, i would say Anderson. I think he is CAPABLE of of making a good avp film..
He sure fooled me.
Im guessing your referring to me knowing that a predator should be able to kill more than one alien at a time? I love you too baby.
You have both confused me and creeped me out with that post.
I expected you to be confused at whatever i posted. I meant to creep you out.
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 03, 2010, 03:51:15 AM
I expected you to be confused at whatever i posted. I meant to creep you out.
Congrats
Quote from: The PredBen on Jul 03, 2010, 02:51:29 AM
The Strause bro's weren't " Predator fanboys." Their favorite movie of all time is " Aliens."
Though they did make a movie that made Aliens ( and Wolf) stupider then can be.
Overall they were just bad directors not biased fanboys.
"The Predator is just soooo strooong". You don't call a statement like that fanboyism? And their favourite movie of all time is actually The Shawshank Redemption.
Paul Anderson was an obvious Alien fanboy....Predators got the shaft in the first AVP not to mention they looked flat out retarded "Ninja turtles...with football pads" 2 predators got killed by a single alien within a 5 minute period...1 predator survived only for less then 10 minutes later to get face hugged and was effectively dead. People can argue that the predators have technology for removing chest bursters from fellow hunters, but it doesn't make getting face hugged any less of a death sentence in my eyes. So in effect every predator that was even in that movie was DEAD as soon as the movie really started in my opinion. That's fanboyism if I have ever seen it, though not as blatant as the the Brothers Shits Predator hard on they had in AVP-R.
AVP one does still manage to be a better film then AVP-R IMO, but there are good things I could say about both movies despite how shit and basis BOTH OF THEM are. In AVP-R I really liked the Wolf Predators design...he looks like a predator should look. AVP had better fight scenes and special effects...
AVP-R is a direct result of what favoritism can do in a cross over story/movie....but AVP1 is just as much of an example its just hidden over some bullshit.
I don't really see how it's biased to have an Alien get the jump on one Predator, and then legitimately beat another in a fight... I guess it's just so different from what everybody was used to seeing in the games and comics. I do agree that it should have been done much better, perhaps spacing them out and having them a few minutes apart.
Anyways, I think I've said this before, but between these two, I'd pick Anderson. At least I know he's capable of making a good film (Event Horizon), even if the majority of his films are shit.
James Cameron and Robert Rodriguez, together.
Wait to see Predators before adding Robert..
Good point.
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 03, 2010, 08:22:16 PM
Wait to see Predators before adding Robert..
You mean Nimrod?
Oh yeah..
Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 04, 2010, 12:13:37 AM
Quote from: #6.0 on Jul 03, 2010, 10:42:33 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 03, 2010, 08:46:29 PM
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 03, 2010, 08:22:16 PM
Wait to see Predators before adding Robert..
You mean Nimrod?
No.
lol'd hard at #6.0,give an explanation,brah.
All he said was that he wanted to see james and robert.. Not that robert was directing Predators.
Why bother with Rodriguez if you've got James Cameron?
Quote from: SiL on Jul 04, 2010, 12:31:27 AM
Why bother with Rodriguez if you've got James Cameron?
Theres a chance it would be leeter with both of'm.
How?
They can both produce and both direct just fine. What benefit would there be to having both?
Wouldn't the studio choose Rodriguez over Cameron though? He'd probably be able to make a profitable film for a quarter of the budget that Cameron would want.
Different, and new ideas. Different styles.
I like Anderson; seems like a nice guy.
Alright filmmaker too.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 03, 2010, 07:11:23 PM
I don't really see how it's biased to have an Alien get the jump on one Predator, and then legitimately beat another in a fight... I guess it's just so different from what everybody was used to seeing in the games and comics. I do agree that it should have been done much better, perhaps spacing them out and having them a few minutes apart.
Anyways, I think I've said this before, but between these two, I'd pick Anderson. At least I know he's capable of making a good film (Event Horizon), even if the majority of his films are shit.
No it is not unbelievable at all, but highly unlikely. My problem was mostly not with the 2 Predators getting killed by net head, but Scar got face hugged not even 10 minutes later! When you only have three Predators in your movie and you have a movie called Aliens versus Predator....you don't want to kill off the predators after not even 15 minutes of them versus Aliens. If the deaths would have been spread out and the predators had been given a little more respect in the script..would of made an all around better film. The Predators got the shaft, I felt robbed after watching that movie. It's not that the Aliens didn't get it up the business end in AVP-R because they did and it was borderline unforgivable. As much as I liked the Wolf Predator....I will say that it is a really good thing for the sake of my loved ones and my freedom that I didn't have a precise address on the Strause Brothers for what they did to the Aliens. I spent more then a few nights after watching AVP-R with dreams of my hands around there throats, and squeezing until the facial expressions that result were something along the lines of Arnold's animatronic head in Total Recall when he entered the f**king mars atmosphere. But its the apparent fact that this ritual obviously takes place often and that ..well....just must of been a bad day to be a Predator...."Guess we need to start humping some more to make up for the 3 retarded runts we sent into the Temple"
Is it unbelievable that a single Alien killed 2 of the 3 Predators in less then 5 minutes? Absolutely not. Is it unlikely? Yeah it is. Is it bad film making? Without a doubt. Which is the main fault of both AVP movies, neither one of them shows both franchises the proper respect they deserve.
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 04, 2010, 12:26:33 AM
Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 04, 2010, 12:13:37 AM
Quote from: #6.0 on Jul 03, 2010, 10:42:33 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 03, 2010, 08:46:29 PM
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 03, 2010, 08:22:16 PM
Wait to see Predators before adding Robert..
You mean Nimrod?
No.
lol'd hard at #6.0,give an explanation,brah.
All he said was that he wanted to see james and robert.. Not that robert was directing Predators.
True.
Quote from: Fleshtrap666 on Jul 04, 2010, 01:45:11 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 03, 2010, 07:11:23 PM
I don't really see how it's biased to have an Alien get the jump on one Predator, and then legitimately beat another in a fight... I guess it's just so different from what everybody was used to seeing in the games and comics. I do agree that it should have been done much better, perhaps spacing them out and having them a few minutes apart.
Anyways, I think I've said this before, but between these two, I'd pick Anderson. At least I know he's capable of making a good film (Event Horizon), even if the majority of his films are shit.
No it is not unbelievable at all, but highly unlikely. My problem was mostly not with the 2 Predators getting killed by net head, but Scar got face hugged not even 10 minutes later! When you only have three Predators in your movie and you have a movie called Aliens versus Predator....you don't want to kill off the predators after not even 15 minutes of them versus Aliens. If the deaths would have been spread out and the predators had been given a little more respect in the script..would of made an all around better film. The Predators got the shaft, I felt robbed after watching that movie. It's not that the Aliens didn't get it up the business end in AVP-R because they did and it was borderline unforgivable. As much as I liked the Wolf Predator....I will say that it is a really good thing for the sake of my loved ones and my freedom that I didn't have a precise address on the Strause Brothers for what they did to the Aliens. I spent more then a few nights after watching AVP-R with dreams of my hands around there throats, and squeezing until the facial expressions that result were something along the lines of Arnold's animatronic head in Total Recall when he entered the f**king mars atmosphere. But its the apparent fact that this ritual obviously takes place often and that ..well....just must of been a bad day to be a Predator...."Guess we need to start humping some more to make up for the 3 retarded runts we sent into the Temple"
Is it unbelievable that a single Alien killed 2 of the 3 Predators in less then 5 minutes? Absolutely not. Is it unlikely? Yeah it is. Is it bad film making? Without a doubt. Which is the main fault of both AVP movies, neither one of them shows both franchises the proper respect they deserve.
I disliked that aspect. Its not that I don't think an Alien could kill to Predators in close combat but because it destroyed the majority.
We just had Scar for most of the film.
Still Alexa saving him three times is worse then anything Grid did ... by far. I'd still pick Anderson those as he made a movie. Not a homage fest.
Quote from: Fleshtrap666 on Jul 04, 2010, 01:45:11 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 03, 2010, 07:11:23 PM
I don't really see how it's biased to have an Alien get the jump on one Predator, and then legitimately beat another in a fight... I guess it's just so different from what everybody was used to seeing in the games and comics. I do agree that it should have been done much better, perhaps spacing them out and having them a few minutes apart.
Anyways, I think I've said this before, but between these two, I'd pick Anderson. At least I know he's capable of making a good film (Event Horizon), even if the majority of his films are shit.
No it is not unbelievable at all, but highly unlikely. My problem was mostly not with the 2 Predators getting killed by net head, but Scar got face hugged not even 10 minutes later! When you only have three Predators in your movie and you have a movie called Aliens versus Predator....you don't want to kill off the predators after not even 15 minutes of them versus Aliens. If the deaths would have been spread out and the predators had been given a little more respect in the script..would of made an all around better film. The Predators got the shaft, I felt robbed after watching that movie. It's not that the Aliens didn't get it up the business end in AVP-R because they did and it was borderline unforgivable. As much as I liked the Wolf Predator....I will say that it is a really good thing for the sake of my loved ones and my freedom that I didn't have a precise address on the Strause Brothers for what they did to the Aliens. I spent more then a few nights after watching AVP-R with dreams of my hands around there throats, and squeezing until the facial expressions that result were something along the lines of Arnold's animatronic head in Total Recall when he entered the f**king mars atmosphere. But its the apparent fact that this ritual obviously takes place often and that ..well....just must of been a bad day to be a Predator...."Guess we need to start humping some more to make up for the 3 retarded runts we sent into the Temple"
Is it unbelievable that a single Alien killed 2 of the 3 Predators in less then 5 minutes? Absolutely not. Is it unlikely? Yeah it is. Is it bad film making? Without a doubt. Which is the main fault of both AVP movies, neither one of them shows both franchises the proper respect they deserve.
Okay. I agree with you.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 04, 2010, 12:31:27 AM
Why bother with Rodriguez if you've got James Cameron?
One did ALIENS, the other did PREDATORS.
One did Aliens, the other produced Predators.
It's like saying let's get Gale Ann Hurd and John McTiernan.
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 04, 2010, 12:26:33 AM
Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 04, 2010, 12:13:37 AM
Quote from: #6.0 on Jul 03, 2010, 10:42:33 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 03, 2010, 08:46:29 PM
Quote from: Lar'ja Thwei on Jul 03, 2010, 08:22:16 PM
Wait to see Predators before adding Robert..
You mean Nimrod?
No.
lol'd hard at #6.0,give an explanation,brah.
All he said was that he wanted to see james and robert.. Not that robert was directing Predators.
Try reading relevant posts. Also, yes he did produce it, but he is a director, and it is "Robert Rodriguez Presents..." or Robert Rodriguez's PREDATORS"
I read all the posts.
Still have no idea why he'd want the two together.
He? ???
I also don't see how the hell that could confuse you.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 04, 2010, 06:51:45 AM
I read all the posts.
Still have no idea why he'd want the two together.
Like i said earlier. They both have different ideas and styles. Theres a reason he could want them together.
But one of a director's job is to have a cohesive style throughout the film. You don't get anything by slapping people with two wholly different styles in the director's chair but an inconsistent mess or a compromise that results in just one style anyway.
It doesn't have to be one style throughout the whole thing..and it doesn't have to be a mess. You can't know for sure what the result would be, before it happens. Even if there was one style, it could be really awesome if both of their ideas were blended together in a very unique way.
Something worse than both AvPs would certainly be unique.
Quote from: SM on Jul 05, 2010, 05:23:44 AM
Something worse than both AvPs would certainly be unique.
You give Ressurection too much credit ;)
You give your attempt at humour too much credit ;)
Quote from: SM on Jul 05, 2010, 05:23:44 AM
Something worse than both AvPs would certainly be unique.
I'm sure it would.
Whatever, it's true.
Alien Resurrection isn't worse than the AvP movies.
Your entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.
Last time I checked, in every quantifiable sense - inflation adjusted box office, IMDB ratings, RT ratings - Resurrection is a better film.
Neither - both a terrible directors and really dont deserve to be given all that money to make the crap they produce... Thats like saying, lets get M NIGHT SHITMALAN to direct AVP 3
Quote from: Deco on Jul 05, 2010, 10:26:12 AM
Neither - both a terrible directors and really dont deserve to be given all that money to make the crap they produce... Thats like saying, lets get M NIGHT SHITMALAN to direct AVP 3
I agree with the stuff this poster said. :D
Quote from: SM on Jul 05, 2010, 05:43:04 AM
Last time I checked, in every quantifiable sense - inflation adjusted box office, IMDB ratings, RT ratings - Resurrection is a better film.
I can't argue with this. But, as I've said countless times before, I prefer the AvP movies to Resurrection because as bad as they are, they wanted to do something different. Resurrection just kind of came outta nowhere with a really, really random storyline and new Alien design.
I don't mind resurrection, when i think of the story to myself it sounds amazing, but for some reason the movie wasn't THAT great. I still liked it though, better than both AvP's.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 05, 2010, 03:16:41 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 05, 2010, 05:43:04 AM
Last time I checked, in every quantifiable sense - inflation adjusted box office, IMDB ratings, RT ratings - Resurrection is a better film.
I can't argue with this. But, as I've said countless times before, I prefer the AvP movies to Resurrection because as bad as they are, they wanted to do something different. Resurrection just kind of came outta nowhere with a really, really random storyline and new Alien design.
Um...?
Name the last movie you watched original enough (and f**ked up enough) to include a
human reproductive system in something as grotesque and horrifying as an alien, only to have something even more abominable and grotesque to pop out of the alien's *******. Really. I know the Newborn was an abomination, but that is what it was meant to be. And I like f**ked up twisted movies, Resurrection was just that. -Shrug-
Quote from: Commander Shepard on Jul 05, 2010, 03:24:05 PM
Name the last movie you watched original enough (and f**ked up enough) to include a human reproductive system in something as grotesque and horrifying as an alien, only to have something even more abominable and grotesque to pop out of the alien's *******.
Is that supposed to make me appreciate the film in any way? That thing was supposed to be abomination and everyone keeps telling me that which is mine but it only made me dislike the film that much more.
Anderson.
He did Event Horizon... He could pull off a space based AvP.
AvP1 was not that far off from being a good movie - if he learned from his mistakes, got a bigger budget and more freedom... then maybe he could pull it off.
You could say the exact same thing about the Brothers. And they didn't need a bigger budget, they just need better money management.
The Brothers did Event Horizon? :P
Wise guy, you know what I meant.
QuoteYou could say the exact same thing about the Brothers.
No you couldn't because they have no track record on anything other than visual effects.
QuoteI prefer the AvP movies to Resurrection because as bad as they are, they wanted to do something different.
And, of course, Resurrection didn't...
It's not like, Resurrection was 200 years in the future, with a clone of Ripley mixed with alien DNA. Had Aliens swimming, and killing underwater. Had a new Alien that the Queen GAVE BIRTH TO, which KILLS HER. Had a ship with several aliens which CRASHES INTO PLANET EARTH.. And Ripley finally makes it back to earth. OR ANYTHING. Bah! We've seen that in every movie..ships crashin into earth, Ripley having super-human strength + acid blood.. New white human-like aliens birthed from the queen that think a human is their mother..
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2010, 12:02:10 AM
And, of course, Resurrection didn't...
Ok fine, it did...but it was too different for me I guess.
Too different, not different enough.... Sheesh....
I like different, I liked Resurrection. I liked AvP.
What is AvPR? I have not heard of such a thing...? Fan film...? Book...?
Quote from: Commander Shepard on Jul 06, 2010, 03:18:45 AM
I like different, I liked Resurrection. I liked AvP.
What is AvPR? I have not heard of such a thing...? Fan film...? Book...?
Thats the spirit!
Quote from: Commander Shepard on Jul 06, 2010, 03:18:45 AM
I like different, I liked Resurrection. I liked AvP.
What is AvPR? I have not heard of such a thing...? Fan film...? Book...?
It's a feature film.
AKA AvP2
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 06, 2010, 03:45:30 AM
Quote from: Commander Shepard on Jul 06, 2010, 03:18:45 AM
I like different, I liked Resurrection. I liked AvP.
What is AvPR? I have not heard of such a thing...? Fan film...? Book...?
It's a feature film.
AvPR? Feature film?
...
Doesn't ring a bell.
It is pain, believe or not.
Quote from: Commander Shepard on Jul 06, 2010, 05:31:59 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 06, 2010, 03:45:30 AM
Quote from: Commander Shepard on Jul 06, 2010, 03:18:45 AM
I like different, I liked Resurrection. I liked AvP.
What is AvPR? I have not heard of such a thing...? Fan film...? Book...?
It's a feature film.
AvPR? Feature film?
...
Doesn't ring a bell.
Let me help you. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758730/)
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I like different, I liked Resurrection. I liked AvP.
What is AvPR? I have not heard of such a thing...? Fan film...? Book...?
It's a feature film.
AvPR? Feature film?
...
Doesn't ring a bell.
Let me help you. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758730/)
Hmm, all I got was 'HTTP 404'.
This movie does not exist. Sorry.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 06, 2010, 03:45:30 AM
Quote from: Commander Shepard on Jul 06, 2010, 03:18:45 AM
I like different, I liked Resurrection. I liked AvP.
What is AvPR? I have not heard of such a thing...? Fan film...? Book...?
It's a feature film.
AvPR? Feature film?
...
Doesn't ring a bell.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Brilliant
Definitely Brothers Strause, I'd like to see what they would do in AVP3.
Quote from: Mr. Self Destruct on Jul 06, 2010, 05:31:59 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 06, 2010, 03:45:30 AM
Quote from: Commander Shepard on Jul 06, 2010, 03:18:45 AM
I like different, I liked Resurrection. I liked AvP.
What is AvPR? I have not heard of such a thing...? Fan film...? Book...?
It's a feature film.
AvPR? Feature film?
...
Doesn't ring a bell.
It rang bells. Just don't ask whom they toll for...
Neither, unless the Strause were able to learn from their mistakes. And no way Anderson, he already made too many, he wont ever change.
I thoroughly enjoyed avp, dosnt stack up to the alien or predator franchise , but enjoyed it none the less. AVPR well......I thoroughly despise that film. If PW makes it R, that would put less restrictions on him (no pun intended) so that he can have more freedom to make a better AVP.
IS there any rumors regarding a 3rd AVP movie?.
No.
Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2010, 05:14:43 AM
Quote from: Mr. Self Destruct on Jul 06, 2010, 05:31:59 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 06, 2010, 03:45:30 AM
Quote from: Commander Shepard on Jul 06, 2010, 03:18:45 AM
I like different, I liked Resurrection. I liked AvP.
What is AvPR? I have not heard of such a thing...? Fan film...? Book...?
It's a feature film.
AvPR? Feature film?
...
Doesn't ring a bell.
It rang bells. Just don't ask whom they toll for...
Time marches on!!
Wiseguy...
Apparently.
I was referencing Donne, but I would've also accepted Hemingway.
I think in musical terms.
A 3rd AVP should focus on Lex and her life after AVP... aswell as another war between Aliens & Preds aswell.
Hopefully more Yutani revaltions too.
Quote from: SM on Aug 10, 2010, 05:14:43 AM
Quote from: Mr. Self Destruct on Jul 06, 2010, 05:31:59 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 06, 2010, 03:45:30 AM
Quote from: Commander Shepard on Jul 06, 2010, 03:18:45 AM
I like different, I liked Resurrection. I liked AvP.
What is AvPR? I have not heard of such a thing...? Fan film...? Book...?
It's a feature film.
AvPR? Feature film?
...
Doesn't ring a bell.
It rang bells. Just don't ask for whom they toll...
fixed... ;)
Close enough. ;D
Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 11, 2010, 06:19:34 AM
A 3rd AVP should focus on Lex and her life after AVP... aswell as another war between Aliens & Preds aswell.
Hopefully more Yutani revaltions too.
I don't know how else to say thise
Get the f**k Out!!!!
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Aug 13, 2010, 10:23:49 PM
Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 11, 2010, 06:19:34 AM
A 3rd AVP should focus on Lex and her life after AVP... aswell as another war between Aliens & Preds aswell.
Hopefully more Yutani revaltions too.
I don't know how else to say thise
Get the f**k Out!!!!
Dude, leave him alone! I like his idea and Lex is awesome! She's got the Predators' respect and she's got a big ass Predator spear. I bet Yutani would do anything to get their hands on that thing.
Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 11, 2010, 06:19:34 AM
A 3rd AVP should focus on Lex and her life after AVP... aswell as another war between Aliens & Preds aswell.
Hopefully more Yutani revaltions too.
Who cares about Lex? I'd rather not have her become the next Machiko, thanks very much.
Quote from: Scree on Aug 14, 2010, 12:30:26 AM
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Aug 13, 2010, 10:23:49 PM
Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 11, 2010, 06:19:34 AM
A 3rd AVP should focus on Lex and her life after AVP... aswell as another war between Aliens & Preds aswell.
Hopefully more Yutani revaltions too.
I don't know how else to say thise
Get the f**k Out!!!!
Dude, leave him alone! I like his idea and Lex is awesome! She's got the Predators' respect and she's got a big ass Predator spear. I bet Yutani would do anything to get their hands on that thing.
How is Lex awesome? All she did was run around a pyramid, have an Alien jump onto her spear, gave a Predator a gun, shoot a very unresponsive Alien in the face with some sorta weapon, and piss the Queen off. It is not my fault that that idead is just plain wrong and should never see the light of day.
Anderson, only if its Event Horizon Anderson.
Quote from: Forever Knight on Aug 11, 2010, 06:19:34 AM
A 3rd AVP should focus on Lex and her life after AVP... aswell as another war between Aliens & Preds aswell.
Hopefully more Yutani revaltions too.
I agree. Maybe during this hypothetic film she could use the spear... sweet
The first movie from Paul W.S Anderson was better.
-alienhunter14
^ He's drunk ;D
They both blew more than they did good.
Quote from: The Demon on Aug 16, 2010, 05:57:59 PM
They both blew more than they did good.
Well put Demon.
Quote from: The Demon on Aug 16, 2010, 05:57:59 PM
^ He's drunk ;D
He isn't. AvP
is better, by any means.
To each his own. Choosing between these movies is crazy anyways.
Better acting, effects, storyline, photography and creature design. And I could go on.
Better photography? At least Requiem had colour, as opposed to being almost entirely B&W.
Better creature design? AvP had the same body type for the Aliens sans the head design from Requiem, along with fatass Preds.
Better acting? Wasn't much to it, despite two somewhat heavy names in Lathan and Henricksen.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 08:00:00 PM
Better photography? At least Requiem had colour, as opposed to being almost entirely B&W.
As a former film student I must really disagree here. the AVP cinematography is really something extremely well done, wheter I hate the movie or not. The navy blue tint and the desaturation and the lightning is quite impressive. AVPR's cinematography is extremely amateurish and low tech. No work has been done to the color or lightning whatsoever. The night is pitch black and everything else is pretty much as it was shot. The color contrast is really bad too. Nothing has been done here, it almost looks like a workprint.The reason for it is most likely budget constraints. The studio doesnt want to spend money to add an artistic side and polish the look on a B movie like this one
Call it what you will, but ultimately I prefer Requiem because there's variation in its palette. In AvP everything was black or grey and it was annoying.
Neither - NO WAY
both managed to screw us over!!!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 08:16:24 PM
Call it what you will, but ultimately I prefer Requiem because there's variation in its palette. In AvP everything was black or grey and it was annoying.
Well, its everyone preference. As they say, you dont wanna eat Fillet Menou everyday, sometimes you just prefer McDonalds.
I would chose Anderson but thats only cuz there were only 2 options if there was a neither option I would vote on that as both movies sucked Avp Was slightly less suckish.
Zach Synder would do wonders to the series. After superman, I want him to direct an avp reboot
Though I like the Predator and Alien action more in Requiem, Anderson is the better director. Anderson also has more experience with sci-fi with his amazing Event Horizon and to a lesser extend but still good, Soldier. If there is an AVP3(and I hope there is) I'd want Anderson to do it. With more freedom he could make a very good film.
You mean less freedom.
He wrote the script, and it was bad. That's standard fare for Anderson, though. He's not a great writer.
I'm totally happy with him directing another AvP film, though.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2010, 03:19:53 AM
You mean less freedom.
He wrote the script, and it was bad. That's standard fare for Anderson, though. He's not a great writer.
I'm totally happy with him directing another AvP film, though.
Don't forget Shane Salerno's contributions to the screenplay. I'm pretty sure all the horrible dialog came from him.
That's true, but Anderson's scripts have been consistently mediocre.
True as well, but once Salerno got a hold of it the script went from being mediocre to down right embarrassing. I truly believe Anderson's early scripts tried to develop some cool characters but that got all washed away when Salerno got his grubby little hands on it.
Neither they both managed to screw things up royally. There is nothing and I mean NOTHING good about the first film. I see people saying that if it was allowed to be rated R that it would have been better. NO IT WOULDN'T!!! It takes more that showing a decapitation in all its glory to make a good film. Anderson maybe more experienced but the only good thing he has ever made was Event Horizon. Lets not forget those horrible Mortal Kombats he made ::) He started the shit ball rolling by allowing those horrible designs to grace the screen and allowing those hacks Woodruff and Gillis at ADI have anything to do with the creatures. Though they did start to pull their heads out of their asses when the designed Wolf but the still screwed up his face design. The Strause brothers brought the franchises back to their original R rating which I thank but its not enough to make up for horrible ideas, plots, creature designs, and dialogue. If they make anymore AVP movies they should forget the first two happen and do what they should have done long time ago. USE THE GODDAMN COMIC BOOK STORY!!! It was even made into a script at one point. It would have been far better.
Bring back the old alien designs. I personally like Cameron's alien design with out the dome. But to original is just as badass too. Bring back the old predator designs. Make subtle changes like in Predator 2. And for Christ sake, hire competent actors and a competent director. Stop casting crappy actors and actresses like that lead chick in AVP. Horrible just horrible, I never once believed she would be able to survive a situation like that, much less know what to do in it. She would be too concerned with breaking a nail or messing up here weave than being able to take on a queen alien. Should have had an Asian girl like in the comic. That would be more believable than what we got. What we got was a someone hire for her looks, which btw aren't all that. Get over this idea of lets cater to this demographic by doing this cause studies show it will make us more money. All stuff like I stated above does is jeopardize the integrity of the movies we all grew up loving. They are just bastardized versions of what we know to be canon.
There's something called the enter key. It's right next to the apostrophe.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Nov 01, 2010, 11:39:01 PM
USE THE GODDAMN COMIC BOOK STORY!!! It was even made into a script at one point. It would have been far better.
That's what Anderson did. Where do you think he got his ideas from, least of all the team-up?
And Peter Briggs did make a direct adaptation of the comic but Fox deemed it too expensive. Also, depending on who you ask, it wasn't that much better a script.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 02, 2010, 02:41:08 AM
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Nov 01, 2010, 11:39:01 PM
USE THE GODDAMN COMIC BOOK STORY!!! It was even made into a script at one point. It would have been far better.
That's what Anderson did. Where do you think he got his ideas from, least of all the team-up?
And Peter Briggs did make a direct adaptation of the comic but Fox deemed it too expensive. Also, depending on who you ask, it wasn't that much better a script.
Yeah he got certain ideas from it, but it had nothing to do with a stupid f**king pyramid or Charles Weyland. It was a cheap bastardized version with budget in mind. I know of the Peter Briggs adaption and it would have been WAY better than what we got. More expensive maybe but it would have paid off in the long run. They could make the movie after the comic book but someone some where in that sh*t hole Fox studios is pulling strings to not make it happen.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Nov 01, 2010, 11:39:01 PM
Stop casting crappy actors and actresses like that lead chick in AVP. Horrible just horrible, I never once believed she would be able to survive a situation like that, much less know what to do in it. She would be too concerned with breaking a nail or messing up here weave than being able to take on a queen alien. Should have had an Asian girl like in the comic. That would be more believable than what we got.
...Because Asian people are... immune to, like, acid blood, or something?
Nah dude, they all know kung fu. So they could kick Aliens in the head like fifty times or some shit, I dunno.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Nov 01, 2010, 11:39:01 PM
USE THE GODDAMN COMIC BOOK STORY!!! It was even made into a script at one point. It would have been far better.
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Quote from: brokentusk420 on Nov 01, 2010, 11:39:01 PM
Stop casting crappy actors and actresses like that lead chick in AVP. Horrible just horrible, I never once believed she would be able to survive a situation like that, much less know what to do in it. She would be too concerned with breaking a nail or messing up here weave than being able to take on a queen alien. Should have had an Asian girl like in the comic. That would be more believable than what we got.
...Because Asian people are... immune to, like, acid blood, or something?
Because name one TRULY believable black female lead in a scifi movie worth mentioning. The are none, especially not by the one in AVP. I'm not trying to be racist(even though it may sound so) but she has no place in this kind of movie. She stuck out like a sore thumb in this movie and was totally out of place. It was Anderson attempting to make a new Ripley and failing cause that chick would never live up to it.
QuoteBecause name one TRULY believable black female lead in a scifi movie worth mentioning.
Storm in X-Men.
And Martha in Dr Who if you want to include TV.
Black female leads in sci fi would be just as novel as Ripley was. Even if Lex wasn't believeable or even faintly interesting.
Kickass EAST Asian girls are cliched and have been for some time.
QuoteKickass EAST Asian girls are cliched and have been for some time.
They are clichéd but the character would be more entertaining/interesting IMO.
Quote from: SM on Nov 03, 2010, 03:31:10 AM
QuoteBecause name one TRULY believable black female lead in a scifi movie worth mentioning.
Storm in X-Men.
And Martha in Dr Who if you want to include TV.
Black female leads in sci fi would be just as novel as Ripley was. Even if Lex wasn't believeable or even faintly interesting.
Who was that chick who played Uhura in the recent Star Trek movie?
Zoe Saldana.
Was going to mention her, but she wasn't a lead in Star Trek and was a bunch of blue pixels in Avatar.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Nov 01, 2010, 11:39:01 PM
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I mean damn. Even if we ignore the obvious cost problems then we have to see that finding actors for that many Aliens and Preds at once would be hard to do. And no one wants CGI, NO ONE.
Nothing at all wrong with properly executed CGI.
Either way, the original AvP storyline has already been more or less committed to celluloid.
QuoteThey are clichéd but the character would be more entertaining/interesting IMO.
Making Lex east Asian instead of African American would not have changed the film one iota. She'd still be dull.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Nov 03, 2010, 02:49:21 AM
Quote from: Mus on Nov 02, 2010, 05:44:09 AM
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Nov 01, 2010, 11:39:01 PM
Should have had an Asian girl like in the comic. That would be more believable than what we got.
...Because Asian people are... immune to, like, acid blood, or something?
Because name one TRULY believable black female lead in a scifi movie worth mentioning.
What does that have to do with Sanaa Lathan's acting skills.
Quote from: SM on Nov 03, 2010, 04:57:57 AM
QuoteThey are clichéd but the character would be more entertaining/interesting IMO.
Making Lex east Asian instead of African American would not have changed the film one iota. She'd still be dull.
I guess if one is a hardcore fan of the original comic it would have made a difference somehow.
Quote from: SM on Nov 03, 2010, 04:57:57 AM
Nothing at all wrong with properly executed CGI.
Either way, the original AvP storyline has already been more or less committed to celluloid.
QuoteThey are clichéd but the character would be more entertaining/interesting IMO.
Making Lex east Asian instead of African American would not have changed the film one iota. She'd still be dull.
Dull or not, someone like Lucy Liu would have been better IMO, and no I am not a hardcore fan of the original comic.
An actress with Lucy Liu's resume wouldn't touch AvP with a ten-foot garbage poll.
Speaking of cliched...
I really dont think it was unbelievable because she was black, but rather because she was a no name actress and cuz she was too pretty. It's hard to sell pretty and tough. Angelina cant sell it ever. Her movies do well cuz she is pretty, but does anyone really believe she can kick ass, NO! That's why most pretty boy actors who do movies that they want to be taken serious in make themselves look less attractive, think brad pitt in 12 Monkeys. Secondly, everyone in both AVP movies looked like they walked off the set of a bad SyFi made for TV movie. Sigourney sold the Aliens franchise because of her acting ability, but she isnt what most considered hot. Also, remember GI jane, Demi didnt sell that part till she shaved her head, didnt look so DTF, and then you could almost believe her keeping up....
Quote from: SM on Nov 03, 2010, 10:39:54 PM
Speaking of cliched...
Oh yeah, forgot about Lance :P
Not that. Just Lucy Liu seems to be the go to Chinese actress in Hollywood. Unlees you're skint and you go with Devon Aoki instead (Chinese/ Japanese - all the same anyway....)
Li Gong, But I don't see her in that type of role. Maggie Q I think would be a good choice.
Though Li Gong has been a few US flicks I wouldn't really describe her as 'Hollywood'.
Quote from: SM on Nov 03, 2010, 11:03:39 PM
Not that. Just Lucy Liu seems to be the go to Chinese actress in Hollywood. Unlees you're skint and you go with Devon Aoki instead (Chinese/ Japanese - all the same anyway....)
Has she done anything major lately? Last movie I remember she did that was big time was Shanghai Noon :P
Kill Bill.
Mainly voice and TV work since.
I would want David Twohy if we couldn't have any of the big directors.
But if it had to be between the two then Paul W.S Anderson, at least his ideas have scope (Event Horizon for instance). The Strause Brothers are just sci-fi fanboys who don't care about quality, as proved in Skyline.
Wonder if James Cameron fancies doing it? if not i'd look to a young film maker who'd made some interesting character driven action/drama films. What we really need is a young John Carpenter.
Cambo's going to be tied up for a while with Avatars and Avatar3.
Quote from: The Mercenary on Nov 22, 2010, 12:12:38 AM
Wonder if James Cameron fancies doing it? if not i'd look to a young film maker who'd made some interesting character driven action/drama films. What we really need is a young John Carpenter.
Why would Cameron bother? He isn't even big on Alien 3, nevermind AvP.
Is Fox even interested in making AvP films anymore? I don't think they are. I thought that's why they separated them again?
I think we need someone that isn't a fan of either species and just wants to make a good Sci-fi Movie. I think we need less focus on the Versus part of AvP. I don't mean there should be barely any fights, but it definitely shouldn't be a mediocre movie with a weakass story, with the only highlight being some decent fight sequences.
How are you going to find any film maker that doesn't have some at least passing admiration for Alien?
Quote from: echobbase79 on Nov 22, 2010, 03:19:53 AM
Is Fox even interested in making AvP films anymore? I don't think they are. I thought that's why they separated them again?
Not sure if that is the reason, but yes they're not considering any more AvPs at present.
Quote from: SM on Nov 22, 2010, 03:22:48 AM
How are you going to find any film maker that doesn't have some at least passing admiration for Alien?
I think he meant the creature specifically, not just the overall film.
I always got impression Anderson was into the overall film rather than the monster.
I disagree because he kept saying the Alien was his favourite creature. Just like how the Brothers said the Predator was their favourite. Granted Anderson doesn't gloat about it but he did make it clear during production.
I'll take your word for it.
Quote from: SM on Nov 22, 2010, 04:14:36 AM
I always got impression Anderson was into the overall film rather than the monster.
Me, too.
Still have to find the interview in which he states that he prefers the Alien. Hell, AvP at times is really Predator biased.
Like when? Scar slicing off an Alien's scalp?
Predators keeping an Alien Queen as a play thing.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 22, 2010, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 22, 2010, 04:14:36 AM
I always got impression Anderson was into the overall film rather than the monster.
Me, too.
Still have to find the interview in which he states that he prefers the Alien. Hell, AvP at times is really Predator biased.
I thought the Predators and Aliens were pretty much portrayed as equal opponents in the film.
Quote from: SM on Nov 22, 2010, 10:29:35 PM
Predators keeping an Alien Queen as a play thing.
LOL. ;D
Quote from: bleau on Nov 23, 2010, 04:35:22 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 22, 2010, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 22, 2010, 04:14:36 AM
I always got impression Anderson was into the overall film rather than the monster.
Me, too.
Still have to find the interview in which he states that he prefers the Alien. Hell, AvP at times is really Predator biased.
I thought the Predators and Aliens were pretty much portrayed as equal opponents in the film.
Two Predators with one Alien? Oh hell naw.
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Nov 23, 2010, 06:54:30 AM
Quote from: bleau on Nov 23, 2010, 04:35:22 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 22, 2010, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 22, 2010, 04:14:36 AM
I always got impression Anderson was into the overall film rather than the monster.
Me, too.
Still have to find the interview in which he states that he prefers the Alien. Hell, AvP at times is really Predator biased.
I thought the Predators and Aliens were pretty much portrayed as equal opponents in the film.
Two Predators with one Alien? Oh hell naw.
If the original comics/games are anything to go by Paul WS. Anderson seriously messed that bit up. At least the Strause brothers got one thing right...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 22, 2010, 09:23:03 PM
Like when? Scar slicing off an Alien's scalp?
Quote from: SM on Nov 22, 2010, 10:29:35 PM
Predators keeping an Alien Queen as a play thing.
^That. It's not like keeping a damn 12 meter long Alien Queen able to lay out the seed for Apocalypse is nothing, mh?
Quote from: bleau on Nov 23, 2010, 04:35:22 AM
I thought the Predators and Aliens were pretty much portrayed as equal opponents in the film.
Yeah, it gives both species glory at times. But saying that Anderson prefers the Alien is a load of bullshit, if you ask me. He even portrays the Predators as the "ancient teachers" of humans.
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Nov 23, 2010, 06:54:30 AM
Two Predators with one Alien? Oh hell naw.
One Predator with three Aliens? Oh hell naw.
;)
Quote from: DragonBossk on Nov 23, 2010, 12:28:21 PM
If the original comics/games are anything to go by Paul WS. Anderson seriously messed that bit up. At least the Strause brothers got one thing right...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79oC63H7HbI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79oC63H7HbI#)
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Nov 23, 2010, 06:54:30 AM
Two Predators with one Alien? Oh hell naw.
Yeah.
Should'a been five Preds killed by one Alien.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 24, 2010, 06:01:41 AM
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Nov 23, 2010, 06:54:30 AM
Two Predators with one Alien? Oh hell naw.
Yeah.
Should'a been five Preds killed by one Alien.
I say it depend on circumstances, an Alien could kill multiple Predators if the Alien ambushes them one by one, even if the Pred's are fully armed. But face to face they seem about equal, as long as Pred does not use plasma caster. :D
Quote from: bleau on Nov 24, 2010, 07:04:14 AM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 24, 2010, 06:01:41 AM
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Nov 23, 2010, 06:54:30 AM
Two Predators with one Alien? Oh hell naw.
Yeah.
Should'a been five Preds killed by one Alien.
I say it depend on circumstances, an Alien could kill multiple Predators if the Alien ambushes them one by one, even if the Pred's are fully armed. But face to face they seem about equal, as long as Pred does not use plasma caster. :D
But Predz has the vision and the skills.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 23, 2010, 12:29:56 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 22, 2010, 09:23:03 PM
Like when? Scar slicing off an Alien's scalp?
Quote from: SM on Nov 22, 2010, 10:29:35 PM
Predators keeping an Alien Queen as a play thing.
^That. It's not like keeping a damn 12 meter long Alien Queen able to lay out the seed for Apocalypse is nothing, mh?
Quote from: bleau on Nov 23, 2010, 04:35:22 AM
I thought the Predators and Aliens were pretty much portrayed as equal opponents in the film.
Yeah, it gives both species glory at times. But saying that Anderson prefers the Alien is a load of bullshit, if you ask me. He even portrays the Predators as the "ancient teachers" of humans.
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Nov 23, 2010, 06:54:30 AM
Two Predators with one Alien? Oh hell naw.
One Predator with three Aliens? Oh hell naw.
;)
Quote from: DragonBossk on Nov 23, 2010, 12:28:21 PM
If the original comics/games are anything to go by Paul WS. Anderson seriously messed that bit up. At least the Strause brothers got one thing right...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79oC63H7HbI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79oC63H7HbI#)
Hell f*cking yeah!!!
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Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Nov 23, 2010, 06:54:30 AMTwo Predators with one Alien? Oh hell naw.
I don't mind one alien killing two predators. However, when they only have three main predators in the whole movie, they should try so spread the kills over a little more time than a couple of minutes. :-\
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Nov 24, 2010, 10:20:07 AM
Hell f*cking yeah!!!
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There is so much wrong with this picture that it is mind numbing.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Nov 24, 2010, 06:46:05 PM
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Nov 24, 2010, 10:20:07 AM
Hell f*cking yeah!!!
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There is so much wrong with this picture that it is mind numbing.
Maybe you don't like it, but you have to admit their are good skills (drawing and painting) in it.
I really hate the Aliens in the picture, and there is not much attention on the centrepiece(Predator). Perhaps that is intentional, but I now despise the picture.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Nov 24, 2010, 06:46:05 PM
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Nov 24, 2010, 10:20:07 AM
Hell f*cking yeah!!!
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There is so much wrong with this picture that it is mind numbing.
It looks epic, and plausible to me. :)
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Nov 24, 2010, 06:53:57 PM
I really hate the Aliens in the picture, and there is not much attention on the centrepiece(Predator). Perhaps that is intentional, but I now despise the picture.
You hate their design?
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Nov 24, 2010, 07:51:15 PM
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Nov 24, 2010, 06:46:05 PM
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Nov 24, 2010, 10:20:07 AM
Hell f*cking yeah!!!
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There is so much wrong with this picture that it is mind numbing.
It looks epic, and plausible to me. :)
+1
It looks like the Pred's about to be torn to f**king shreds. He kills one, nicks another, and just shoots randomly into the air? Skills, bro.
TBH I would like to see AVP3 be more of an epicy-action-sci-fi-type of deal than a thriller/horror/suspense and have someone like Peter JAckson direct it that would be amazing I think
Quote from: SiL on Nov 25, 2010, 05:08:27 AM
It looks like the Pred's about to be torn to f**king shreds. He kills one, nicks another, and just shoots randomly into the air? Skills, bro.
He is shooting at an Alien. He is going to die, but still taking a shitload with him. Skill.
The shot goes wide, missing anything. The Alien he cut in half gnaws his balls off. The one he nicks behind him pisses acid down the back of his neck, melting his head off his shoulders. Fail.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 25, 2010, 08:49:19 AM
The shot goes wide, missing anything. The Alien he cut in half gnaws his balls off. The one he nicks behind him pisses acid down the back of his neck, melting his head off his shoulders. Fail.
The acid doesn't look that close to his shoulders.
If he can cut an Alien in half with what amounts to a staff with a few pointy bits on it, the acid can home in.
It's a blade, alien staff. Acid cannot home in.
Acid can't home and tiny bladed edges like that can't cut something as thick as an Alien clean in half.
Latter happened. Homing acid it is.
Alien? Thick? They get blown apart by bullets, I can't see why a Predator blade shouldn't be able to slice them up, as seen in nearly all AVP.
I'd have a hard time cutting you in half at the waist with a three-inch blade. In one swing, anyway.
Depends how strong it is, how strong you are.
Aliens are tough as diamonds. Pred fails.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 25, 2010, 05:08:27 AM
It looks like the Pred's about to be torn to f**king shreds. He kills one, nicks another, and just shoots randomly into the air? Skills, bro.
Still a far better/honorable death than Chopper or Celtic (skills or not)
Far better/honorable death than those of the first and second Predator, by the same token.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 25, 2010, 01:23:21 PM
Far better/honorable death than those of the first and second Predator, by the same token.
agree
EDIT: you forgot the ones of the third movie too ;)
Quote from: SiL on Nov 25, 2010, 10:08:09 AMIf he can cut an Alien in half with what amounts to a staff with a few pointy bits on it, the acid can home in.
To be fair, he seems to be doing the cutting with his oversized wristblades, not the staff.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 25, 2010, 11:17:07 AM
Aliens are touch as diamonds. Pred fails.
No they are not. No they are not. Preds are strong, their weapons are strong, and they've been seen capable off cutting up an Alien so many times.
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Nov 25, 2010, 08:17:10 PM
No they are not. No they are not. Preds are strong, their weapons are strong, and they've been seen capable off cutting up an Alien so many times.
Yes they are, yes they are. Preds are pretty weak.
... I'm sorry, I thought this whole thing was a pisstake. Wasn't this
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Nov 24, 2010, 07:51:15 PM
It looks epic, and plausible to me. :)
just good ole fashioned trolling? Why else would someone say something so entirely asinine?
Wow i still surprised the "aggresive" reactions caused by this pic which i just well done (skills) and pretty epic (personal tast)
Nothin' aggressive :P
It's a well done picture, but the Predator needs to be a little more noticeable.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 25, 2010, 10:25:44 PM
Nothin' aggressive :P
It's a well done picture, but the Predator needs to be a little more noticeable.
You mean that the light/shadow (or grain) effects makes him harder to perceive?
Or just what he is doing in the pic, has nothing exceptional?
In terms of colour. The only thing that really draws the eye is the Alien blood and the shoulder cannon. The Pred's the centerpiece, your eye should be drawn to him.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 25, 2010, 10:36:04 PM
In terms of colour. The only thing that really draws the eye is the Alien blood and the shoulder cannon. The Pred's the centerpiece, your eye should be drawn to him.
Okay i see what you mean know. ;)
i personaly think that the aliens are more noticiable than the pred (who as you said ,is the centerpiece) in order to give a dramatic/tragic effects of the situation "have a good view over the aliens while the pred in the center gets a bite erased by their surrounding presence" just a personal though
Quote from: SiL on Nov 25, 2010, 08:49:19 AM
The shot goes wide, missing anything. The Alien he cut in half gnaws his balls off. The one he nicks behind him pisses acid down the back of his neck, melting his head off his shoulders. Fail.
The fact that he's even able to last any time at all in that kind of melee means he's got some decent skills at least.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 25, 2010, 10:00:11 PM
Yes they are, yes they are. Preds are pretty weak.
... I'm sorry, I thought this whole thing was a pisstake. Wasn't this
I take it that you not a vary big Predator fan. Still though, it's kind of hard to judge skills from a picture. Sure the Pred is doomed but at least he is taking as many Aliens as he can with him.
QuoteI take it that you not a vary big Predator fan
Read his last couple of posts.
Quote from: SM on Nov 26, 2010, 04:56:36 AM
QuoteI take it that you not a vary big Predator fan
Read his last couple of posts.
Ah yes, I see he is quite a bit too critical on the piece, oh well. :)
Quote from: SiL on Nov 25, 2010, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Nov 25, 2010, 08:17:10 PM
No they are not. No they are not. Preds are strong, their weapons are strong, and they've been seen capable off cutting up an Alien so many times.
Yes they are, yes they are. Preds are pretty weak.
... I'm sorry, I thought this whole thing was a pisstake. Wasn't this
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Nov 24, 2010, 07:51:15 PM
It looks epic, and plausible to me. :)
just good ole fashioned trolling? Why else would someone say something so entirely asinine?
TO ME. Aliens are capable of ripping a Pred to shreds, but Preds fight back. Theya re tough too, and have sharp objects and advanced tech.
Preds keep a queen as their gimp. You never know when the spider's gonna catch some flies.
Forgive me if this has been said before, but seeing how this has devolved into yet another AVP vs. AVPR argument (people, I thought fandom is supposed to hate both of them! ::))...
There is no way to judge which director(s) might be better for AVP3 based on their past work. Neither group is going to make a film exactly like their last one. I for one like the first AVP, I haven't seen AVPR yet (just parts of it and the fight scenes) and can't give an opinion, but I think I can tell what it will be :-X....
I mean, for all we know David Fincher and Jean-Pierre Peunet (sp.?) might make Alien films comparable to the original if they ever return to the series (just look at Fincher's later work). Moviemaking requires a learning curve; not every Stanley Kubrick film is exactly like Fear and Desire in terms of sophistication and technical achievement, is it? And The Day After Tomorrow and even 100,000 BC are still much better than Emmerich's insult to Godzilla or even Independence Day, even if they are all bad in their own way....
Very true, but I usually look at the experience they have and what other movies the director has done. PA has experience under his belt, but his movies are not that great, some are OK, nothing exceptionable. SB have no experience in directing. As far as directors go it's hit or miss with most of them. But certainly one with experience can at least make it watchable. I would like to know what other movies the director has done before hiring them. If you are to hire somebody for a specific job, you like to find a person with good experience at least, right.
Quote from: bleau on Nov 26, 2010, 10:33:28 PM
Very true, but I usually look at the experience they have and what other movies the director has done. PA has experience under his belt, but his movies are not that great, some are OK, nothing exceptionable. SB have no experience in directing. As far as directors go it's hit or miss with most of them. But certainly one with experience can at least make it watchable. I would like to know what other movies the director has done before hiring them. If you are to hire somebody for a specific job, you like to find a person with good experience at least, right.
Agreed.
It remains to be seen whether the Strause Brothers will learn from
their experiences....
I want Christopher Nolan.
Quote from: Peakius Baragonius on Nov 26, 2010, 10:56:17 PM
Quote from: bleau on Nov 26, 2010, 10:33:28 PM
Very true, but I usually look at the experience they have and what other movies the director has done. PA has experience under his belt, but his movies are not that great, some are OK, nothing exceptionable. SB have no experience in directing. As far as directors go it's hit or miss with most of them. But certainly one with experience can at least make it watchable. I would like to know what other movies the director has done before hiring them. If you are to hire somebody for a specific job, you like to find a person with good experience at least, right.
Agreed.
It remains to be seen whether the Strause Brothers will learn from their experiences....
Skyline was even worse, it really sucked. Some fx were ok though.
Quote from: RazorSlash on Nov 26, 2010, 11:00:45 PM
I want Christopher Nolan.
I was thinking of him too, but he writes his own story's and screenplays. Seems like the directors who write their own stuff also tend to make better films ie James Cameron, Nimrod wrote Kontrol and that was really good, Luc Besson wrote The Fifth Element and Leon and those were his best.
Quote from: bleau on Nov 27, 2010, 12:45:12 AM
I was thinking of him too, but he writes his own story's and screenplays. Seems like the directors who write their own stuff also tend to make better films ie James Cameron, Nimrod wrote Kontrol and that was really good, Luc Besson wrote The Fifth Element and Leon and those were his best.
You're nuts if you think Nolan would even consider touching AvP. He's so far above it, it's crazy.
Nolan is a great director but AVP doesnt match his style.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 27, 2010, 05:35:25 AM
Quote from: bleau on Nov 27, 2010, 12:45:12 AM
I was thinking of him too, but he writes his own story's and screenplays. Seems like the directors who write their own stuff also tend to make better films ie James Cameron, Nimrod wrote Kontrol and that was really good, Luc Besson wrote The Fifth Element and Leon and those were his best.
You're nuts if you think Nolan would even consider touching AvP. He's so far above it, it's crazy.
I know, but it would be awesome.
If not Nolan...
1. Clint Eastwood
2. Shusuke Kaneko
3. Robert Rodriguez and/or Quentin Tarantino
4. James Cameron
5. Me ;D
Spoiler
M Knight Shyamalan ("Airbender" mode, not "Sixth Sense" mode)
Michael Bay
Dean Delvin and Roland Emmerich
Scott Harper (AVH: Alien vs. Hunter)
Rick Sloane (Hobgoblins)
Hal Warren (Manos: The Hands of Fate)
Coleman Francis's Ghost (Red Zone Cuba, The Skydivers, The Beast of Yucca Flats)
The Strause Brothers (using same budget and production values as AVPR)
Russell T. Davies
and don't forget...
Uwe Boll
^ Michael Bay would be great. IMO. Russell T. Davies shouldn't be allowed 500 miles within making AVP.
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Nov 28, 2010, 02:22:24 AM
^ Michael Bay would be great. IMO. Russell T. Davies shouldn't be allowed 500 miles within making AVP.
What? What?
What? ;D
I can see it now
A Michael Bay Film
Aliens vs Predators
NARRATOR: There was a time before the war, a time before the hunt, a time before the fighting. But I will only talk about the explosions.
Camera zooms in on planet surface.
Hundreds of Aliens are crawling out of the ground.
A space ship flies on screen, and a group of Predators get out.
The Predators fire into the crowd of Aliens with giant Plasma cannons, creating numerous explosions that cover up the entire screen.
Camera zooms excessively on a single Alien and Predator as they battle. Claws and tail slash, wrist blades are seen in motion, the Alien makes efficient use of the awesome 3D camera with its headbites.
Armies of Alien and Predators fight, and suddenly, out of nowhere emerges the Predalien. The Predalien goes on a path of excessively zoomed in destruction, stomping on Aliens and Predators alike with no mercy, no remorse.
The predators have lost. They all activate their self destruct mechanisms, and the entire planet explodes in the greatest CGI 3D Super Blu Ray explosion ever witnessed.
The End.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 28, 2010, 02:56:40 AM
Spoiler
I can see it now
A Michael Bay Film
Aliens vs Predators
NARRATOR: There was a time before the war, a time before the hunt, a time before the fighting. But I will only talk about the explosions.
Camera zooms in on planet surface.
Hundreds of Aliens are crawling out of the ground.
A space ship flies on screen, and a group of Predators get out.
The Predators fire into the crowd of Aliens with giant Plasma cannons, creating numerous explosions that cover up the entire screen.
Camera zooms excessively on a single Alien and Predator as they battle. Claws and tail slash, wrist blades are seen in motion, the Alien makes efficient use of the awesome 3D camera with its headbites.
Armies of Alien and Predators fight, and suddenly, out of nowhere emerges the Predalien. The Predalien goes on a path of excessively zoomed in destruction, stomping on Aliens and Predators alike with no mercy, no remorse.
The predators have lost. They all activate their self destruct mechanisms, and the entire planet explodes in the greatest CGI 3D Super Blu Ray explosion ever witnessed.
The End.
You forgot the flashback sequence where hot babes wash the Predator's ship in white t-shirts.
The suds, the suds.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 28, 2010, 02:56:40 AM
I can see it now
A Michael Bay Film
Aliens vs Predators
NARRATOR: There was a time before the war, a time before the hunt, a time before the fighting. But I will only talk about the explosions.
Camera zooms in on planet surface.
Hundreds of Aliens are crawling out of the ground.
A space ship flies on screen, and a group of Predators get out.
The Predators fire into the crowd of Aliens with giant Plasma cannons, creating numerous explosions that cover up the entire screen.
Camera zooms excessively on a single Alien and Predator as they battle. Claws and tail slash, wrist blades are seen in motion, the Alien makes efficient use of the awesome 3D camera with its headbites.
Armies of Alien and Predators fight, and suddenly, out of nowhere emerges the Predalien. The Predalien goes on a path of excessively zoomed in destruction, stomping on Aliens and Predators alike with no mercy, no remorse.
The predators have lost. They all activate their self destruct mechanisms, and the entire planet explodes in the greatest CGI 3D Super Blu Ray explosion ever witnessed.
The End.
You know, a Michael Bay AVP film might not be so bad after all! Pitch it, Fox will eat it up! :)
What would RTD do, though?
Quote from: Peakius Baragonius on Nov 28, 2010, 03:02:36 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 28, 2010, 02:56:40 AM
I can see it now
A Michael Bay Film
Aliens vs Predators
NARRATOR: There was a time before the war, a time before the hunt, a time before the fighting. But I will only talk about the explosions.
Camera zooms in on planet surface.
Hundreds of Aliens are crawling out of the ground.
A space ship flies on screen, and a group of Predators get out.
The Predators fire into the crowd of Aliens with giant Plasma cannons, creating numerous explosions that cover up the entire screen.
Camera zooms excessively on a single Alien and Predator as they battle. Claws and tail slash, wrist blades are seen in motion, the Alien makes efficient use of the awesome 3D camera with its headbites.
Armies of Alien and Predators fight, and suddenly, out of nowhere emerges the Predalien. The Predalien goes on a path of excessively zoomed in destruction, stomping on Aliens and Predators alike with no mercy, no remorse.
The predators have lost. They all activate their self destruct mechanisms, and the entire planet explodes in the greatest CGI 3D Super Blu Ray explosion ever witnessed.
The End.
You know, a Michael Bay AVP film might not be so bad after all! Pitch it, Fox will eat it up! :)
What would RTD do, though?
He'd do something like Paulie, but with love and a super-powered nineteen year old girl disentergrating all the Aliens and Predators, or sucking them into space with a lever, or with sci-fi Jesus or a middle aged secutary with a control panel.
Quote from: Peakius Baragonius on Nov 28, 2010, 03:02:36 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 28, 2010, 02:56:40 AM
I can see it now
A Michael Bay Film
Aliens vs Predators
NARRATOR: There was a time before the war, a time before the hunt, a time before the fighting. But I will only talk about the explosions.
Camera zooms in on planet surface.
Hundreds of Aliens are crawling out of the ground.
A space ship flies on screen, and a group of Predators get out.
The Predators fire into the crowd of Aliens with giant Plasma cannons, creating numerous explosions that cover up the entire screen.
Camera zooms excessively on a single Alien and Predator as they battle. Claws and tail slash, wrist blades are seen in motion, the Alien makes efficient use of the awesome 3D camera with its headbites.
Armies of Alien and Predators fight, and suddenly, out of nowhere emerges the Predalien. The Predalien goes on a path of excessively zoomed in destruction, stomping on Aliens and Predators alike with no mercy, no remorse.
The predators have lost. They all activate their self destruct mechanisms, and the entire planet explodes in the greatest CGI 3D Super Blu Ray explosion ever witnessed.
The End.
You know, a Michael Bay AVP film might not be so bad after all! Pitch it, Fox will eat it up! :)
What would RTD do, though?
At least Bay's film will have action that makes sense.
On contrast with the last AvP's.
I hate the man, but at least he can direct films (The Island I always though was quite good), unlike those fanboy brothers who think messing with Maya for a few days= a theater worthy movie.
Excuse me, what are you talking about?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 28, 2010, 02:56:40 AM
I can see it now
A Michael Bay Film
Aliens vs Predators
NARRATOR: There was a time before the war, a time before the hunt, a time before the fighting. But I will only talk about the explosions.
Camera zooms in on planet surface.
Hundreds of Aliens are crawling out of the ground.
A space ship flies on screen, and a group of Predators get out.
The Predators fire into the crowd of Aliens with giant Plasma cannons, creating numerous explosions that cover up the entire screen.
Camera zooms excessively on a single Alien and Predator as they battle. Claws and tail slash, wrist blades are seen in motion, the Alien makes efficient use of the awesome 3D camera with its headbites.
Armies of Alien and Predators fight, and suddenly, out of nowhere emerges the Predalien. The Predalien goes on a path of excessively zoomed in destruction, stomping on Aliens and Predators alike with no mercy, no remorse.
The predators have lost. They all activate their self destruct mechanisms, and the entire planet explodes in the greatest CGI 3D Super Blu Ray explosion ever witnessed.
The End.
I want to hit myself for thinking this, but I would seriously pay to see that.
Say what you want about Bay, but at least if he was directing we would get the budget required for a huge AVP film.
You don't need a huge budget. You need smart spending, which is what Anderson can do. Except his films just suck.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 29, 2010, 10:30:23 PM
You don't need a huge budget. You need smart spending, which is what Anderson can do. Except his films just suck.
Except
AVP. ;)
Quote from: DragonBossk on Nov 29, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
I hate the man, but at least he can direct films (The Island I always though was quite good), unlike those fanboy brothers who think messing with Maya for a few days= a theater worthy movie.
Sigh...and even that was ripped off of
Parts: The Clonus Horror. :(
QuoteEspecially AVP.
However Anderson used what money he had to make his film look expensive. Zee Strauses made a film whose content matched it's look. Cheap and nasty.
Bay might have a fetish for over the top action and explosions, I really enjoy most of his films. I love both Bad Boys films, The Rock was good, Transformers blew me away the first time I saw it. Armageddon and the Island were so so and I didnt really like Pearl Harbor too much. I think the AVP movies can and have done a lot worse...
A Bay AvP flick would be spectacular if nothing else.
A big dumb AvP flick would at least have "big" over the "dumb" ones there are currently.
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2010, 01:54:44 AM
A Bay AvP flick would be spectacular if nothing else.
A big dumb AvP flick would at least have "big" over the "dumb" ones there are currently.
Couldn't agree more. It may not be the greatest film we could get, but at least it would be a cut above what we got.
But do you really want to settle for that in light of what we already have? Shit may smell less than the old shit, but it's still shit.
You settle for AvP:2.
True...I just dislike Bay :P
I dislike RTD, BS, and PA more. :P
No love for UB?
Heard a story about him last week. Gwen Turner who wrote the screenplay for American Psycho was hounded by Uwe to write Bloodrayne. She wasn't interested but was in between gigs so ended up doing it. She was late in submitting the first draft (which Uwe had been yelling at her about). When she got it done, the normal process is people comment on it, you write a second draft, more people comment and you write more drafts.
When Boll got her first draft he rang her and said "I love it! We start shooting tomorrow!"
:D
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2010, 04:06:55 AM
No love for UB?
Heard a story about him last week. Gwen Turner who wrote the screenplay for American Psycho was hounded by Uwe to write Bloodrayne. She wasn't interested but was in between gigs so ended up doing it. She was late in submitting the first draft (which Uwe had been yelling at her about). When she got it done, the normal process is people comment on it, you write a second draft, more people comment and you write more drafts.
When Boll got her first draft he rang her and said "I love it! We start shooting tomorrow!"
:D
I sense a few more boxing matches....
Dunno.
She just told her agent not to take any more calls from Uwe Boll. ;D
Takes a true craftsman to come up with Blubberella.
Always classy, Uwe.
Blube-WHAT?!
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2010, 04:06:55 AM
No love for UB?
Heard a story about him last week. Gwen Turner who wrote the screenplay for American Psycho was hounded by Uwe to write Bloodrayne. She wasn't interested but was in between gigs so ended up doing it. She was late in submitting the first draft (which Uwe had been yelling at her about). When she got it done, the normal process is people comment on it, you write a second draft, more people comment and you write more drafts.
When Boll got her first draft he rang her and said "I love it! We start shooting tomorrow!"
:D
:o
...I really don't know what to say. :D
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2010, 04:06:55 AM
No love for UB?
Heard a story about him last week. Gwen Turner who wrote the screenplay for American Psycho was hounded by Uwe to write Bloodrayne. She wasn't interested but was in between gigs so ended up doing it. She was late in submitting the first draft (which Uwe had been yelling at her about). When she got it done, the normal process is people comment on it, you write a second draft, more people comment and you write more drafts.
When Boll got her first draft he rang her and said "I love it! We start shooting tomorrow!"
:D
His standards must really be low. :D :D
That surprises you? :P
Well hell, I thought he was at least professional enough to go through multiple drafts. Guess not. :D
If that were the case, maybe his films wouldn't suck as much.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 28, 2010, 02:56:40 AMI can see it now
A Michael Bay Film
Aliens vs Predators
NARRATOR: There was a time before the war, a time before the hunt, a time before the fighting. But I will only talk about the explosions.
Camera zooms in on planet surface.
Hundreds of Aliens are crawling out of the ground.
A space ship flies on screen, and a group of Predators get out.
The Predators fire into the crowd of Aliens with giant Plasma cannons, creating numerous explosions that cover up the entire screen.
Camera zooms excessively on a single Alien and Predator as they battle. Claws and tail slash, wrist blades are seen in motion, the Alien makes efficient use of the awesome 3D camera with its headbites.
Armies of Alien and Predators fight, and suddenly, out of nowhere emerges the Predalien. The Predalien goes on a path of excessively zoomed in destruction, stomping on Aliens and Predators alike with no mercy, no remorse.
The predators have lost. They all activate their self destruct mechanisms, and the entire planet explodes in the greatest CGI 3D Super Blu Ray explosion ever witnessed.
The End.
LOL
AvP R has better Predator but I think that AvP is better directed. At least thats how I remember it.
Quote from: DARIAS93 on Aug 29, 2008, 02:46:07 PMPaul W.S Anderson or The Strause Brothers for AVP3?
So who do you think deserves to direct AVP3? and give a really good reason why.
Is suicide an option?
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I like Lovecraftian vibes though :)
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Quote from: Kradan on Mar 23, 2024, 06:45:49 AMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 28, 2010, 02:56:40 AMI can see it now
A Michael Bay Film
Aliens vs Predators
NARRATOR: There was a time before the war, a time before the hunt, a time before the fighting. But I will only talk about the explosions.
Camera zooms in on planet surface.
Hundreds of Aliens are crawling out of the ground.
A space ship flies on screen, and a group of Predators get out.
The Predators fire into the crowd of Aliens with giant Plasma cannons, creating numerous explosions that cover up the entire screen.
Camera zooms excessively on a single Alien and Predator as they battle. Claws and tail slash, wrist blades are seen in motion, the Alien makes efficient use of the awesome 3D camera with its headbites.
Armies of Alien and Predators fight, and suddenly, out of nowhere emerges the Predalien. The Predalien goes on a path of excessively zoomed in destruction, stomping on Aliens and Predators alike with no mercy, no remorse.
The predators have lost. They all activate their self destruct mechanisms, and the entire planet explodes in the greatest CGI 3D Super Blu Ray explosion ever witnessed.
The End.
LOL
I have matured enough in the last 14 years to recognize my mistake in claiming that Michael Bay would ever shoot his action sequences "excessively zoomed in." Whatever else can be said of the man and the choices he makes, he does know how to shoot and frame real, kinetic action.
I have a major soft spot for the first AvP movie. It introduced me to both creatures - I will forever owe it that. Scar was a childhood hero of mine. There're just so many moments that filled 5-year-old me with sheer excitement: Pred ship approaching the Earth, guy being pinned to a wall with decloaking spear, Celtic reveal with trademark roar, Queen being risen out of her cryogenic tomb, whole shifting pyramid thing, huggers jumping in slow-mo, cloaked Preds attack, Grid killing Chopper, Celtic smashing Grid's head against stone pillars (coolest shit EVER), flashback with Preds fighting bazzilions of Aliens , Scar blasts some Aliens with his AWESOME shoulder cannon, Scar makes Lex a spear, Scar and Lex race against an explosion, final showdown with the Queen, Scar stabs Queen in her head, Preds arrive to take Scar's body and give Lex a better spear, Predbuster emerging ...
So yeah, between the two I would give Anderson another shot
Can't dispute the passion that comes with your first exposure to this stuff, and it's great to see.
Who would you pick if you could pick anyone to direct,
@Kradan ?
Imagine if you handed Zack Snyder the original comic and convinced him to adapt it.
I'd prefer not to.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 24, 2024, 07:14:54 AMCan't dispute the passion that comes with your first exposure to this stuff, and it's great to see.
Who would you pick if you could pick anyone to direct, @Kradan ?
Damn, I don't know honestly. Zack Snyder actually sounds like an intriguing choice
You know what ? I would be interested to see what the Wachowskis would've come up with
I feel like early-career-Snyder would have at least been better than Anderson. Not sure about today.
I can actually f**k with that Wachowski idea a bit though.
My vote would probably go to either David Twohy or some relative newcomer who's heavily inspired by Paul Verhoeven, for the right combination of cynical cheese, world-building and shock value.
Zack Snyder before he discovered Tarsem Singh could have been an alright pick.
I wonder if he'd have delivered humanoid rhynth-bursters in an effort to remain slavishly faithful to the comic.
I think with that story it wouldn't hurt if they came out as runners.
How about Guillermo del Toro?
Hard to think of anyone that could pull it off really. Could just go weird and give it to David Lynch.
David Lynch would start to (rightly) get a headache if you mentioned the word Yautja.
Say what you want about Paul but he at least admits that his movies are more for entertainment factors than critical reviewing. And he has made some decent and at least memorable movies. Mortal Komabt for example, is popular enough to have actually influenced the source material into using some of plot of the film (Sonya and Johnny romance for example)
Event Horizon is a nice horror movie with some interesting themes.
And while not as humourous and flashy as the original, his version of death race was entertaining enough and had a nice gritty spin.
The RE movies were just popcorn flicks, you could switch your brain off to watch them, well some of them anyways since towards the end the continuity errors just become too noticeble.
And AVP 2004, not great but had some decent premise and ideas. Certainly better than its sequel and less screwing with the lore than Prometheus/Covenant.
Strausse bros only have made two films that I know of and they both were bad movies, but how much of that is entirely their fault is anyone's guess since as newbie directors, I imagine they were more under the thumb of fox than previous directors and to their credit, they did want to set AVPR in space.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 24, 2024, 07:07:51 PMAnd he has made some decent [...] movies.
Lmao.
Quoteat least memorable
QuoteEvent Horizon
You can have that one though.
David Twohy, despite his connection to Alien via his stab at Alien 3 pre-Fincher, strikes me as a guy that I'd really love to get a Predator movie out of, especially after really nailing that sort of pulpy tone in the 2013 Riddick.
AVP could also work from him, for sure, but something about Predator specifically seems like it'd be just the right fit for him.
I do agree that event horizon is his best work. Why couldn't he have this much talent when he's working on other films?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 24, 2024, 07:30:03 PMsomething about Predator specifically seems like it'd be just the right fit for him.
Agreed, and throwing PB into the mix is why I'd give him a shot at AvP in a heartbeat. Solo Predator film would be nice too though.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 24, 2024, 07:30:18 PMI do agree that event horizon is his best work. Why couldn't he have this much talent when he's working on other films?
Either different crew to work with which can affect movie quality or his work as filmmaker just varies. Still, out of the two directors for a 3rd avp or a reboot, I would probably go for Paul, at least he has more experience and has had some decent movies.
What decent films exactly? Have to agree with RedLetterMedia honestly. Even his best film I can only call halfway good.
One character particularly annihilates the atmosphere Event Horizon tries to cultivate:
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True ymmv on what is decent but if you go by his RE movies, AVP etc, then Mortal Kombat and Event Horizon are certainly some of his better works. My point is that at least some of his movies have their fans or become part pop culture. Which means he would likely be the horse to bet on if it came down between him and the strauss bros for a new AVP movie.
Neither, who I want to direct AVP3 is Denis Villeneuve.
He's the only working director who I think "well he did it, I'll go watch" but I wouldn't want him touching it (not that he would).
Quote from: SiL on Mar 31, 2024, 09:31:38 PMHe's the only working director who I think "well he did it, I'll go watch" but I wouldn't want him touching it (not that he would).
He needs to make a Alien film though.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 31, 2024, 09:31:38 PMHe's the only working director who I think "well he did it, I'll go watch" but I wouldn't want him touching it (not that he would).
Yeah, completely wrong for AvP and he'd never go for it regardless.
I'd rather see him do Predator honestly. There's something about his sci fi that just doesn't gel with Alien for me.
That's an interesting take. I'll have to think about it.
The intensity of Sicario's various hunts and action pieces but with Predator hunting, yes please.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 31, 2024, 09:35:15 PMI'd rather see him do Predator honestly. There's something about his sci fi that just doesn't gel with Alien for me.
Interesting, since he did Bladerunner 2049, I thought he could be a good candidate to explore the Alien world, particularly synthetics.
I'm tired of the modern emphasis on synthetics in the Alien franchise. And BR2049 is one of the reasons why I don't think he'd gel - there's something about his aesthetic that just lacks a certain je ne sais quoi from the original. It's too reserved.
Dune is similar. I like brutalist architecture but it seems to be all he does in his sci fi and it doesn't fit.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 31, 2024, 09:49:23 PMI'm tired of the modern emphasis on synthetics in the Alien franchise. And BR2049 is one of the reasons why I don't think he'd gel - there's something about his aesthetic that just lacks a certain je ne sais quoi from the original. It's too reserved.
Dune is similar. I like brutalist architecture but it seems to be all he does in his sci fi and it doesn't fit.
So you expect each Alien film to be like the original? Interesting, since every installment till Covenant has had a different aesthetic, feel, and interpretation of the Alien mythos.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 31, 2024, 10:54:29 PMSo you expect each Alien film to be like the original?
Please, please tell me where I said anything like that.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 31, 2024, 10:55:19 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 31, 2024, 10:54:29 PMSo you expect each Alien film to be like the original?
Please, please tell me where I said anything like that.
"there's something about his aesthetic that just lacks a certain je ne sais quoi from the originaL." Since you were talking about the Alien films original to me seem like Alien, not Bladerunner.
Oh just realized the abbreviation for bladerunner2049, my bad. Haven't seen it abbreviated before.
All three of them can go eat a dick for all I care. I needed to say that.
Do you know who would be a good alternative for AVP 3
Spoiler
Sorry if I repeat myself sometimes but
If it were up to me, another AvP film would never be made again.
It's an insult to the Alien brand.
I like Predator a lot, but only as its own universe.
In my opinion, bringing the two together damaged the alien "myth" more than anything else.
Nevertheless, I chose Anderson in the voting because he didn't portray the alien quite as vulnerable as is unfortunately usually the case in all the bad comic novels and games.
At least not in the first half of the film.
The Strauses are absolutely intolerable about making a film in which the xeno appears.
At some point there will (unfortunately) definitely be another AvP film. And if that really happens, what is needed first and foremost is an interesting script in which the powers of both races are relatively balanced and a director who knows how to honor the roots of both brands.
But that is admittedly a contradiction in terms.
You can't honor Alien by mixing it with Predator.
I'd be curious to see an AVP2 adaptation actually.
Either that or just, the original damned comic, please.
Quote from: Neila on Apr 15, 2024, 11:08:03 AMSorry if I repeat myself sometimes but
If it were up to me, another AvP film would never be made again.
It's an insult to the Alien brand.
I like Predator a lot, but only as its own universe.
In my opinion, bringing the two together damaged the alien "myth" more than anything else.
Nevertheless, I chose Anderson in the voting because he didn't portray the alien quite as vulnerable as is unfortunately usually the case in all the bad comic novels and games.
At least not in the first half of the film.
The Strauses are absolutely intolerable about making a film in which the xeno appears.
At some point there will (unfortunately) definitely be another AvP film. And if that really happens, what is needed first and foremost is an interesting script in which the powers of both races are relatively balanced and a director who knows how to honor the roots of both brands.
But that is admittedly a contradiction in terms.
You can't honor Alien by mixing it with Predator.
What was the alien "myth" and how was it damaged?
The Alien and Predator movies did have two different tones about them. Alien was for the most part more down to earth, while Predator did have more fantastical elements.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 15, 2024, 08:37:09 PMThe Alien and Predator movies did have two different tones about them. Alien was for the most part more down to earth, while Predator did have more fantastical elements.
How so ?
The Predator movies do tend to lean more into action movie hyper reality.
Predator had plasma casters, cloaking etc. Alien did have tech that raised eyebrows such as stasis, ftl etc but I personally find Predator is more out there with it all.
I don't think a plasma gun is very out there. What SiL said is correct though.
I'm curious though as what "myth" got damaged though. Can't really be 'Predator is more action' when arguably the most popular Alien film has way more action than most Predator flicks. Cloaks aren't magic. They're a device that bends light activated by pressing buttons.
And tonal differences aren't really here or there since the Alien films all have tonal differences anyway and an Alien and Predator punching each other doesn't really change that.
It's a sentiment that doesn't need to be rational or logical. I don't agree with it but I think I understand what they're getting at.
Didn't say they were magic but its definitely something that seems to require more suspenses of disbelief. Alien has its share of course such as ftl, stasis but we are never shown how they work, so that is left to our imaginations. Pred tech gets shown a lot. its more on the FI than the SCI.
We don't see how Predator technology works any more than we see how the future human technology works. Some buttons are pushed and sci fi happens.
I meant their functions. We see super heated plasma get shot from a small gun with a small power source, right next to the predator's head no less. I don't have any problems with these in the context of the movies, but I am merely offering that that they do have a different tone to Alien which seems more down to earth for the most part. Basically I can see why some people may not think they mix well.
In Aliens, 99 10mm rounds somehow fit into a magazine that fits into the weapon's handle.
At least the Predator movies don't actually say what's being shot out of the cannon, we all just assumed it's plasma.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 15, 2024, 09:33:32 PMI meant their functions. We see super heated plasma get shot from a small gun with a small power source, right next to the predator's head no less. I don't have any problems with these in the context of the movies, but I am merely offering that that they do have a different tone to Alien which seems more down to earth for the most part. Basically I can see why some people may not think they mix well.
Tone, maybe, but you made it about physics.
The Alien movies have utter disregard for physics, much more than the Predator movies.
There's sound in space, ironically.
The Nostromo has laser pistols with no apparent power source.
Pressing some buttons makes engines light up and the laws of physics are bent over a barrel as ships start moving faster than light.
Spaceships, even small shuttles, have artificial gravity.
An alien organism grows to immense size in a few hours with no apparent food intake.
Said alien organism bleeds an acid unlike any known.
Said alien organism can withstand two tons of molten lead dropped on its head.
Ripley can hold onto a ladder with one arm while a 14 foot tall alien organism holds onto her leg.
A melting down reactor results in a nuclear explosion.
Predator plasma casters fit right in.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 15, 2024, 09:25:39 PMIt's a sentiment that doesn't need to be rational or logical. I don't agree with it but I think I understand what they're getting at.
I get the sentiment that Alien and Predator don't mix. I might even agree a bit.
I don't get a "myth" being damaged though. Sure they were crumby flicks but 20 years on there's been a bunch more films and more in production.
Perhaps they meant lore?
We may never know.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 15, 2024, 10:12:39 PMSaid alien organism can withstand two tons of molten lead dropped on its head.
I thought it was ten.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 16, 2024, 01:32:13 AMQuote from: SiL on Apr 15, 2024, 10:12:39 PMSaid alien organism can withstand two tons of molten lead dropped on its head.
I thought it was ten.
It's some.
Sure I "measured" it once and it was around 30 tons.
I wrote myth in quotation marks because I didn't know what else to call it.
What I meant was that despite the generally poorly received films, Alien was still a kind of cinematic work of art and deserved better than a merger with another franchise. For me it was an admission of a lack of ideas and a new direction that was more towards computer games. Children suddenly liked it too.
There are also people who are of the opinion that Cameron's Aliens destroyed the "myth".
Then there are those for whom the prequels were the destruction of the myth. It's up to everyone how they see it.
Personally, I think A1-A3 is a good work of art, while I saw P1 and P2 as very good to good action films but never put them on the same level as the previous Alien films.
For me there was still a big difference in quality.
A lot changed with A4 and went in a more "embarrassing" direction.
With the Fusion Predator it had reached its sad low point for me.
Compare it to wine and cola.
I like both but wine is more noble.
So please don't misunderstand me, I don't want to offend any Predator fans since I'm one myself.
But up until that point, there was always a qualitative difference between the two for me.
I think A1 is a classic like Dracula or something similar.
P1 is a great action film but not a classic for me.
Even A2 isn't really a classic for me, it's a brilliant action film but it slips into a rather clichéd presentation.
Nevertheless, A2 is far more demanding than P1 for me, which is why I count it as part of the "Alien" work of art.
Of course it also depends on the zeitgeist of the publication.
The 80s were characterized by more action.
Maybe it's because the first films in a franchise are always considered the best.
So I can only give my opinion, whether it is correct or exaggerated,
I don't know.
I'm happy with them making solo films for the time being. The reputation of both franchises is on the up. Prey is solid. Romulus is hopefully as good. Once they have another solid foundation I'd be willing to see another mashup with a worthy story.
Get Neil Marshall on this
No. No no no. That ship has long sailed.
The two names that keep floating in my head as feeling right for AVP movie are Dan Trachtenberg and David Twohy (Twohy being a name I'd also be very happy to see attached to a standalone Predator movie). Maybe André Øvredal...
Were it not for the stories about Alex Garland ghost directing the film, I'd have said Pete Travis based on Dredd – but Garland is someone that I think would be a very good fit for an Alien movie proper, not AVP.
Were it not for the "Alien 5" fiasco, Neill Blomkamp is probably another one I theoretically might have said, at some point in the past, would have the right sensibilities for an AVP. It'd never happen now though, and that's fine.
Oh, you know what, I'm also going to throw Robert Rodriguez's name out there, if he were to actually personally direct it and not feel like he was falling asleep halfway through writing the shooting draft of the script (*cough* Predators *cough*). Get him on some of that Alita: Battle Angel juice, mix in some From Dusk Till Dawn/Planet Terror, and let him have at it, even if he does insist in shooting in his backyard in Texas. :laugh:
Why? The 3 are terrible.
Quote from: Huntsman on Apr 29, 2024, 11:39:37 AMRomulus is hopefully as good.
Fede Alvarez directed Evil Dead and Don't Breathe so i expect Romulus to be at least decent.
Quote from: Ale Motion Comic on Apr 30, 2024, 11:13:28 AMWhy? The 3 are terrible.
The three what?
EDIT: Oh, wait, I'm assuming you mean PWSA and the Strauses?
That's correct Nightmare. Those 3 directors are horrible, there are many better options out there.
Quote from: Ale Motion Comic on Apr 30, 2024, 04:56:52 PMThat's correct Nightmare. Those 3 directors are horrible, there are many better options out there.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 23, 2024, 10:21:09 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Aug 29, 2008, 02:46:07 PMPaul W.S Anderson or The Strause Brothers for AVP3?
So who do you think deserves to direct AVP3? and give a really good reason why.
Is suicide an option?
With these three it's the only option.
If it had to be between the two, Paul Anderson, no contest. He fought his damm hardest to make the first AVP a space setting film and following the sources before he had to cave to the excecs and move the setting to Antarctica. He also made Event Horizon, which was a pretty damm good horror suspense film. Seems like when is able and really wants to do it, he can make a pretty good film.
Did he fight to have it in space? The way he mentions it in his pitch was he had an idea for setting it on Earth that he thought would match what Davis wanted.
Yeah way I heard it Anderson pitched Earth to give David what he wanted.
I know the Bros wanted space and wanted the movie to have a flash forward to the future.
Much as I loathe fan edits wonder how hard it be to replace the boat stuff of AvP with shots of the Prometheus approach and landing. Snow and whaling station wouldn't fit I guess.
Nostromo landing on LV-426 colour corrected from grey to white.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Yesterday at 03:11:18 AMIf it had to be between the two, Paul Anderson, no contest. He fought his damm hardest to make the first AVP a space setting film and following the sources before he had to cave to the excecs and move the setting to Antarctica. He also made Event Horizon, which was a pretty damm good horror suspense film. Seems like when is able and really wants to do it, he can make a pretty good film.
Yeah this is incorrect. It was the fact his pitch was always Earth-based that got him the job. Jon Davis was looking for a pitch set on Earth in a 'cool, believable context that would work for both species.' And Anderson's was exactly that in his eyes. Anderson even said he had started his pitch just for fun some ten years earlier.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Yesterday at 05:34:44 PMYeah this is incorrect. It was the fact his pitch was always Earth-based that got him the job. Jon Davis was looking for a pitch set on Earth in a 'cool, believable context that would work for both species.' And Anderson's was exactly that in his eyes. Anderson even said he had started his pitch just for fun some ten years earlier.
Really? I thought he changed up the script
becausethey were looking for an Earth based film. I know the Peter Briggs' first draft was in space but Fox execs were bitching about making it on Earth until Paul came up with what they want. Hhhhmmmmm
Well, if that is the case, it seems like if he was allowed to touch upon the R rated aspects of the film via Even Horizon, perhaps it would be something worth watching?
Rethoughts, idk how much of these facts are true, but what a recipe if somehow all of these fell into place, having Arnie back on the set, Jerry and Alan as dual composers, and Guillermo del Toro in the director's seat:
QuoteGuillermo del Toro was offered the director's chair, but opted to make Hellboy (2004) instead. Likewise Marco Beltrami composed a score for the film that got rejected, and he went on to score Del Toro's Hellboy.
Jerry Goldsmith and Alan Silvestri were planning to team up for the film's score, but Goldsmith's battle with cancer (and eventual passing) prevented the pairing from occurring. Interestingly, it would have gone against his belief that there's no need for two composers working in the same film; usually, he only accepted an additional composer if he was pressed for time and couldn't make the deadline (as with Star Trek: The Motion Picture and Air Force One).
Unlike Sigourney Weaver from Alien, Arnold Schwarzenegger was willing to work in the crossover under his character of Major Alan "Dutch" Schaeffer from Predator. However, this had to be discarded when he won the recall election to California Governor, as it rendered him unavailable to shoot any films.
The initial script called for five Predators to appear in the film (and be even more killable that they are in the final product), although the number was later reduced to three. The novelization of the film retained this plot point, though.
It was always going to be PG-13. It's actually written into some introductory notes on the first draft.
Quote from: SiL on Yesterday at 09:12:03 PMIt was always going to be PG-13. It's actually written into some introductory notes on the first draft.
That is absolutely baffling, and dumb decision to that movie PG-13. We are dealing with 2 of the most violence alien species hit on screen yet he wanted movie to be PG-13.
I think PG-13 was another studio edict.
Yes. The introduction almost reads like it's saying "yes there are decapitated corpses mentioned in the script but don't worry it'll be no worse than Jaws".
He also, rightfully, points out that most of the gore is green and yellow, and if it wasn't the rating would be much higher.
The swearing is conspicuous by its absence though.
I think there was one bit - perhaps when Rousseau gets burst - that the script says "a PG-13 friendly splash of blood".
That's only in the online shooting script, I think it was added by whoever made the digital copy.
oh, I think that was the most family friendly and worst chestburster scene so far.