The Space Jockey (or Engineer) well be a humanoid! Let the impending rage begin!
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I will only start crying if he chases humans for fresh meat :laugh:
Well i hoped there would be more mysterious stuff behind it, Lovecraft style but i will judge the movie after i saw it.
Human scale... sorry but no.
Ridley has already thrown away the idea of an amazing alien creature (i.e. what we all saw fused to his chair in Alien) why not throw out the scale as well.
Consider the helmet aka Jockey head they are looking at... doesn't look that big right?
I really hope that's not the Jockey.
i see no problem with that. its actually the last thing i expected, which is a good thing.
Quote from: Xenoscream on Dec 22, 2011, 08:00:10 PM
Ridley has already thrown away the idea of an amazing alien creature (i.e. what we all saw fused to his chair in Alien) why not throw out the scale as well.
I'm sorry you feel this way, but what we're seeing is reality. It's best to see it as it is now and take it or leave it.
As for me, I'm okay with this, as long as he still has otherworldly qualities to him.
Looks fine to me. A Human image with biomechanical features is more scary to be honest; in a 'This is You' way.
He needs to have Otherworldly qualities though and hopefully to see him walk in his Suit for a little bit (to give a nod to Alien)
He has a sort of pale skin, and his face could look something "Goddish"
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 22, 2011, 07:58:11 PM
I will only start crying if he chases humans for fresh meat :laugh:
Well i hoped there would be more mysterious stuff behind it, Lovecraft style but i will judge the movie after i saw it.
A voice of reason. You have my regards.
He looks grauslich, Giger was right ;D
Now this nullifies 70% of the EU that features this creature.
Wasnt there a skull of a supposed "Space Jockey" in another part showing a trunk or somethin in the trailer? not this pic
Quote from: The Runner on Dec 22, 2011, 08:10:19 PM
Wasnt there a skull of a supposed "Space Jockey" in another part showing a trunk or somethin in the trailer? not this pic
This means that the part with the trunk is not a head but a helmet.
The human face and the whole "gods" subject support this so I'm fine with it as long as it's done well.
It's Ridley Scott. It SHOULD be done well :)
It will be done well. It's a Ridley Scott sci-fi film.
Looks pretty cool to me. I imagine a suit maybe like Ironman in function, but obviously biomechanical in nature. The function of the SJ suit is probably for protection, and it could be a direct biological control interface to the ship.
QuoteNow this nullifies 70% of the EU that features this creature.
In honesty, thats more because none of the movies bothered to establish what the creature was, even in Alien.
Some of the EU Jockey material was kinda cheesy anyway.
So the Xenomorph that came out of the Jockey in the first movie would pretty much be just a giant normal human spawned one? :-\
Thats what it was in the EU.
The only Jockey-Alien that looked different was the Infestation one.
Now imagine this is just a hoax, disinformation...showing the head/helmet and this guy next to the chair...but never the real thing (both together,SJ in the chair). So everyone thinks that it is a helmet and the bald guy is the SJ. But in the movie you see a "real SJ", no suit, as a lifeform and the bald guy is just a servant or experiment, ancestor...or another alien species (the round thing above the waterfall is a classic UFO haha) that explores the area or whatever :laugh:
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 08:09:20 PM
Now this nullifies 70% of the EU that features this creature.
They're controlling the European Union too? That explains a lot.
That dude could be anyone though ?
maybe inspecting the telescope?
who knows....
lets not get to excited.
Quote from: The Runner on Dec 22, 2011, 08:14:25 PM
So the Xenomorph that came out of the Jockey in the first movie would pretty much be just a giant normal human spawned one? :-\
That's what I'm wondering.
QuoteSome of the EU Jockey material was kinda cheesy anyway.
Yes, I agree. But seeing all the hard-work, like the illustrations etc. just going down the drain like this is kinda sad.
Damn you Damon Lindelof and Jon Spaihts! Knew you'd f**k this up! hehe.
I dunno. I think there is still enough room to believe the Jockey's are an actual race of Alien creatures and what we're seeing here is a combination of Jockey and human DNA. It is disappointing to see this avatar look alike as the Jockey as opposed to some ancient looking giger creation. I guess we still have to find out where the eggs came from and how the jockey might have been impregnated. Maybe that will be interesting?
i don't see why people are still talking about biomechanics. they're simply not there in any of the press stuff we've seen
QuoteYes, I agree. But seeing all the hard-work, like the illustrations etc. just going down the drain like this is kinda sad.
I agree, however the art surrounding them was always inconsistent.
Quote from: YOU DO MUTILATE? on Dec 22, 2011, 08:22:14 PM
i don't see why people are still talking about biomechanics. they're simply not there in any of the press stuff we've seen
It was stated in the Comic Con footage description: "There will be biomechanoids."
I, for one, welcome our new humanoid space jockey overlords.
Quote from: Gash on Dec 22, 2011, 08:16:47 PM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 08:09:20 PM
Now this nullifies 70% of the EU that features this creature.
They're controlling the European Union too? That explains a lot.
Nice try. Here, EU = Extended Universe.
Quote from: Space Jockey King on Dec 22, 2011, 08:17:05 PM
That dude could be anyone though ?
maybe inspecting the telescope?
who knows....
lets not get to excited.
You mean a normal human being - that large?
Actually, I quite like this, although I'm not jumping the gun and accepting anything as confirmation.
But a Gigeresque humanoid certainly raises it from the bug analogy of the Queen/hive stuff so it has the potential to be a much more profound story. And remember Gary Oldman's make-up job in Hannibal? That was creepy as hell and he was human. Seeing this things face could change things a lot but I'm more on board with this than the 'bug hunt' monsters of the sequels.
And if this dude really is the engineer (Jockey) then its easier for them to go to the human perspective.
because now they don't have to waste loads of money making the rumored "animatronic" jockey.
they can just make a tall actor do the work.
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 08:24:45 PM
Quote from: Gash on Dec 22, 2011, 08:16:47 PM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 08:09:20 PM
Now this nullifies 70% of the EU that features this creature.
They're controlling the European Union too? That explains a lot.
Nice try. Here, EU = Extended Universe.
Quote from: Space Jockey King on Dec 22, 2011, 08:17:05 PM
That dude could be anyone though ?
maybe inspecting the telescope?
who knows....
lets not get to excited.
You mean a normal human being - that large?
Fair enough.
But still doesn't prove that it could be the "jockey" does it?
it could be any other type of being who is inspecting the telescope.
Who is to say that this bald chap, or the 'Engingeer' are even the Space Jockeys? What if this tall pale dude and the humans both discover SJ. He might even be a human creation for the mission. We're all speculating here.
He's also in the wheelchair:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_20111222_teasertrailer28.jpg)
And behind the armed men:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_20111222_teasertrailer23.jpg)
Quote from: irn on Dec 22, 2011, 08:41:27 PM
Who is to say that this bald chap, or the 'Engingeer' are even the Space Jockeys? What if this tall pale dude and the humans both discover SJ. He might even be a human creation for the mission. We're all speculating here.
This.
Everyone is going to far.
we know only a little bit what is going on here.
Remember, guys, we pretty much have confirmation that there is a tall, or shall I say "giant" actor, doing the work for an Engineer. His name is Phill Martin, an actor from the UK, and he is known for doing monster work due to his size. His profile on his management's website even has him listed as playing the role of an "engineer" for the "Alien - Prometheus" movie.
http://www.willowmanagement.co.uk/profile.html?p_name=Phill%20Martin&p_id=83 (http://www.willowmanagement.co.uk/profile.html?p_name=Phill%20Martin&p_id=83)
I think it's safe to say that it's him pictured in the teaser, but of course he's wearing a suit along with special effects make-up. So, yes, the jockey definitely appears to be a humanoid but now I'm wondering what's up with the eyes. Both the statue and living engineer have dark eye sockets, so I'm thinking that they either have dark eyes or that the engineer is wearing dark, circular shades while he does his work. This would help explain why they made the statue as such, to honor his image if he mostly is wearing glasses while he does his thing. Either that or I guess he could be missing eyes? Hmmm...
We don't really know THAT much and whatever speculation is being based on the footage, 90% of that is gonna be proven wrong anyway.
I don't think the person in the wheelchair is the same being that we are seeing in the scene with the jockey chair rising from the floor. The being in the Jockey room is seriously built. He almost reminds me of Dr. Manhattan from the watchmen.
But-- I also think it's possible for this to be a different entity from the space jockey.
Comeon dude, I'm getting pretty tired of these spoilers. I don't care WTF the jockey is, put a tag on it so I don't have to read it.
So here is a comparison between the so called Jockey and the actor who is playing as the engineer?? Phill Martin.
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What do you think ? do they really look the same ?
Also here is a video i fought id put on lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OPRuwjfJWA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OPRuwjfJWA#ws)
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 08:42:18 PM
He's also in the wheelchair:
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And behind the armed men:
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Well, that's interesting. Now there's a fair chance he's not a jockey after all.
Quote from: Mustangjeff on Dec 22, 2011, 08:53:21 PM
I don't think the person in the wheelchair is the same being that we are seeing in the scene with the jockey chair rising from the floor. The being in the Jockey room is seriously built. He almost reminds me of Dr. Manhattan from the watchmen.
Exactly. But it could be possible that either that creature is a true jockey or that the bald person is exposed to extra-terrestrial DNA or something. But that's speculation. We all know it's Batman.
Did anyone even notice that the Space Jockey chair lacks the round head and that something else is sitting on top of it?
Meh...it's too soon to tell. I like that it's completely different from the Alien movies, but it could be anything at this point. Hell, one of the crew could morph into that...thing...for all we know.
Quote from: Mustangjeff on Dec 22, 2011, 08:53:21 PM
I don't think the person in the wheelchair is the same being that we are seeing in the scene with the jockey chair rising from the floor. The being in the Jockey room is seriously built. He almost reminds me of Dr. Manhattan from the watchmen.
But-- I also think it's possible for this to be a different entity from the space jockey.
Maybe this makes sense.
He has to use a wheel chair because maybe he can not move??, so he has to stay sat in the telescope? lol just a fought.
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 08:57:26 PMWe all know it's Batman.
Looks more like Mr Freeze. ;)
Freaking HUGE.
I love that though.
Quote from: Space Jockey King on Dec 22, 2011, 08:55:14 PM
So here is a comparison between the so called Jockey and the actor who is playing as the engineer?? Phill Martin.
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8046/46614194.jpg
What do you think ? do they really look the same ?
Also here is a video i fought id put on lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OPRuwjfJWA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OPRuwjfJWA#ws)
I think they would use liberal amounts of makeup, prosthetics, CGI, or all the above. That would be a real bummer if this highly evolved creature actually looked like Phill ;D
I think it is only android. It could be ours (human created) or jockey created (genetically)...
Quote from: Mister Skeezler on Dec 22, 2011, 08:57:42 PM
Meh...it's too soon to tell. I like that it's completely different from the Alien movies, but it could be anything at this point. Hell, one of the crew could morph into that...thing...for all we know.
This.
Quote from: Mustangjeff on Dec 22, 2011, 08:59:29 PM
Quote from: Space Jockey King on Dec 22, 2011, 08:55:14 PM
So here is a comparison between the so called Jockey and the actor who is playing as the engineer?? Phill Martin.
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8046/46614194.jpg
What do you think ? do they really look the same ?
Also here is a video i fought id put on lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OPRuwjfJWA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OPRuwjfJWA#ws)
I think they would use liberal amounts of makeup, prosthetics, CGI, or all the above. That would be a real bummer if this highly evolved creature actually looked like Phill ;D
The actor doesn't look evolved but retarded.
I'm completely fine with the jockeys being humanoid, in fact I like the look there. Anyway, as long as they look like the Jockeys we know and love, with their suits on(remember, Scott said the Jockey we saw in Alien was a suit). I'll be very happy.
Look at this screen. Jockey Skull/helmet on an autopsy table of sorts.
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Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:01:37 PM
He doesn't look evolved but retarded.
Bald men are retarded??? Why he has to look retarded...???
Eh.
For me the main thing is less the design and more how it is lit. Looks too clean.
The actual design looks okay. Not what I was expecting, but I can see that fossilizing into what we see.
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:01:37 PM
The actor doesn't look evolved but retarded.
Nice.
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:02:36 PM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:01:37 PM
He doesn't look evolved but retarded.
Bald men are retarded??? Why he has to look retarded...???
I was talking about the actor.
I think that Phill Martin, the engineer, is most likely a stand-in for whatever they plan for the finalized jockey to look like. So, of course it won't look exactly like him. He's just helping the effects crew fill in what they need to so we have a great looking engineer.
And, by the way, from my understanding, the "space jockey" and "engineer" are interchangeable terms. Ridley Scott has said on many occasions that the derelict being never had an official name and that "jockey" got thrown into the mix because of how he was situated on the ship as a pilot to speak. With the new movie, however, it seems that the official name is "engineer," which plays into the whole creation and discovery thing. So I think it's a good assumption that both the jockey/engineer are one in the same and that, for one at least, Phill Martin, a human giant, is playing him.
P.S.: In Martin's video promo, he talks about working out as a hobby so he can physically be prepared to do stunt work at his size. So, he should fill out the engineer suit nicely and help sell the illusion that the beings are larger than life.
Awesome!
Not just we won't see the legendary Xenomorph rip apart the big screen one last time and fade away into the darkness of space with honor, but now the Space Jockey instead looking like a scary as f--k giger creature from the blackness of space will now look like a Frost Giant from Thor. Fantastic! ;D
So let me see...
Sloth deformed retards instead of xenomorphs, check!
Frost Giants from Thor instead of bionicle Space Jockey's, check!
PG-13 atmosphere instead of the visually creative violent R rating, check!
Quote from: PHANTOM on Dec 22, 2011, 09:18:08 PM
Awesome!
Not just we won't see the legendary Xenomorph rip apart the big screen one last time and fade away into the darkness of space with honor, but now the Space Jockey instead looking like a scary as f--k giger creature from the blackness of space will now look like a Frost Giant from Thor. Fantastic! ;D
So let me see...
Sloth deformed retards instead of xenomorphs, check!
Frost Giants from Thor instead of bionicle Space Jockey's, check!
PG-13 atmosphere instead of the visually creative violent R rating, check!
Lets wait for the movie and then criticize....hey , this is Ridley Scotts new movie, sci-fi movie !!! It's gonna be epic.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Dec 22, 2011, 09:18:08 PM
Sloth deformed retards instead of xenomorphs, check!
Frost Giants from Thor instead of bionicle Space Jockey's, check!
PG-13 atmosphere instead of the visually creative violent R rating, check!
The problem is...nothing of that is confirmed yet.
Could become a crappy generic 3D mainstream mutant-slasher with Lindelof timetravel story or a masterpiece :laugh:
Raging aside:
The "gigeresque" ribbing and shapes on his body (note: can be seen on his arm predominantly) better be well executed.
Obviously it is hard to tell from a selection of 10 or so frames that we have here.
For anyone annoyed about it not having that same H. R Giger biomechanoid feel; look at some of his art books and then observe the humanoids in there... it is the same styling. As long as makeup and prosthetics are executed properly (and why wouldn't they be?) - Whats to worry about? :)
You know there are a lot of assumptions being made about what we're seeing out of any context. Who's to say the "infected" guy is bad or attacking a good member of the crew? There has to be some level of human conflict? Who or what are the men shooting at? What's that black stuff all over that woman's body?
There is a lot that remains to be seen. The real questions are not about what they are showing us, but rather what they're not showing us.
Quote from: josh_axey on Dec 22, 2011, 09:23:42 PM
Raging aside:
The "gigeresque" ribbing and shapes on his body (note: can be seen on his arm predominantly) better be well executed.
Obviously it is hard to tell from a selection of 10 or so frames that we have here.
For anyone annoyed about it not having that same H. R Giger biomechanoid feel; look at some of his art books and then observe the humanoids in there... it is the same styling. As long as makeup and prosthetics are executed properly (and why wouldn't they be?) - Whats to worry about? :)
I 'm asking this queston here again. What are the worries about the movie? I think it will be disturbing as hell. And as was said here, PG13 was NOT confirmed yet.
Everyone assumes that that guy is the Jockey. WHY?????
What if the Jockey is something else altogether. What if the bald guy(s) are the Gods and the Jockey is their slave grunt worker who decides to help out the humans. Steal the fire.
They can't come in 1979 with this:
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And in 2012 with this:
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It's not possible. Really not possible. I really hope (and think) that at the end of the movie those retards mutants will look like some Giger/Xeno style creatures.
Kinda sounds like a Gigerish Avatar.
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 09:28:44 PM
Kinda sounds like a Gigerish Avatar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s#)
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 22, 2011, 09:26:33 PM
Everyone assumes that that guy is the Jockey. WHY?????
What if the Jockey is something else altogether. What if the bald guy(s) are the Gods and the Jockey is their slave grunt worker who decides to help out the humans. Steal the fire.
Heck the Jolly Grey Giant could be something the humans
grew out of that green handful of goo in the trailer, in order to use and nick the Space Jockey tech, thereby royally pissing them off and resulting in the ensuing hilarity.
The trailers given us some great imagery and teases, but its not brought us much closer to knowing what the feck is going to happen in the film. Which is why its a great trailer, as opposed to the current trend of trailers that give away every single plot twist before the film is released.
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 22, 2011, 08:13:11 PM
It's Ridley Scott. It SHOULD be done well :)
I hope your right since Ridley has made a few bad films before :-\. I never noticed the humanoid character in the trailer until now and I hope Ridley knows what he is doing.
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:21:07 PM
Lets wait for the movie and then criticize....hey , this is Ridley Scotts new movie, sci-fi movie !!! It's gonna be epic.
Awesome, I think Ridley is on to something, no really...
let's do the same thing to the next Predator film, no Predators, no dreads, no mandibles, sounds good to you?
Ok I'm done, have fun with the PG-13 Xenomorph-less film.
Quote from: Spider-pope on Dec 22, 2011, 09:30:02 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 22, 2011, 09:26:33 PM
Everyone assumes that that guy is the Jockey. WHY?????
What if the Jockey is something else altogether. What if the bald guy(s) are the Gods and the Jockey is their slave grunt worker who decides to help out the humans. Steal the fire.
Heck the Jolly Grey Giant could be something the humans grew out of that green handful of goo in the trailer, in order to use and nick the Space Jockey tech, thereby royally pissing them off and resulting in the ensuing hilarity.
The trailers given us some great imagery and teases, but its not brought us much closer to knowing what the feck is going to happen in the film. Which is why its a great trailer, as opposed to the current trend of trailers that give away every single plot twist before the film is released.
This is only teaser trailer, not full trailer. The great thing on this teaser is, that it shows enough, but practically nothing. Speculations and hype are getting critical. It's time to slow a little bit, because some ideas are way too crazy. If Ridley Scott reads this threads, he must be laughing....
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:27:42 PM
They can't come in 1979 with this:
http://www.hollywood-collectibles.com/alien_17.jpg
And in 2012 with this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_20111222_teasertrailer30.jpg)
It's not possible. Really not possible. I really hope (and think) that at the end of the movie those retards mutants will look like some Giger/Xeno style creatures.
You're assuming that the jumping mutated looking guy is the monster.
Maybe the suit is what they look like when they are born. And then they shed it and they are these perfect humanoid dudes underneath.
So it's like grooming/growing armor that keeps you safe and lets you develop to become perfect.
The macho guy could be the dude piloting this saucer:
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Maybe some other being coming to warn the humans?
Quote from: newbeing on Dec 22, 2011, 09:33:27 PM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:27:42 PM
They can't come in 1979 with this:
http://www.hollywood-collectibles.com/alien_17.jpg
And in 2012 with this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_20111222_teasertrailer30.jpg)
It's not possible. Really not possible. I really hope (and think) that at the end of the movie those retards mutants will look like some Giger/Xeno style creatures.
You're assuming that the jumping mutated looking guy is the monster.
I saw the 1080p trailer and he is kinda scary looking. Plus, this guy doesn't have any helmet or head gear on, and is making quite a leap from top of something.
That's what i meant...he is a classical Gray :laugh:
Oh and Mr. Kangaroo doesn't need a helmet...he tasted the terraforming mojo ;)
Thanks :)
Quote from: PHANTOM on Dec 22, 2011, 09:33:06 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:21:07 PM
Lets wait for the movie and then criticize....hey , this is Ridley Scotts new movie, sci-fi movie !!! It's gonna be epic.
Awesome, I think Ridley is on to something, no really...
let's do the same thing to the next Predator film, no Predators, no dreads, no mandibles, sounds good to you?
Ok I'm done, have fun with the PG-13 Xenomorph-less film.
But Prometheus was NOT meant to be a direct Alien prequel, it has only a small ties to Alien universe, not to Alien and xenomorphs. Oh people, just get over it. Leave the poor old xeno as it is...
And btw. do we really want to see more of this???? No thanks...I was getting sick of it.
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Well i think its like this.... lol
They capture the jockey take his helmet off.. and examine it..
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Then whilst they are doing that they are having words with him ?? lol
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_20111222_teasertrailer28.jpg)
??
The whole thing is about terraforming...not forming the planets, but forming the lifeforms so they can survive.
As you see our jumping mutant doesn't need a helmet any more.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Dec 22, 2011, 09:33:06 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:21:07 PM
Lets wait for the movie and then criticize....hey , this is Ridley Scotts new movie, sci-fi movie !!! It's gonna be epic.
Awesome, I think Ridley is on to something, no really...
let's do the same thing to the next Predator film, no Predators, no dreads, no mandibles, sounds good to you?
Ok I'm done, have fun with the PG-13 Xenomorph-less film.
Since when there is ALIEN in the title ? Ridley said this isnt direct alien prequel and you are actin like its an direct alien prequel but for some reason ridley decided there will be no xenomorphs .
The make-up is really good but they look like some mutant zombie shit we saw in a lot of movies these years. If the biggest threat in the movie are those guys, it really sucks hard.
I hope that Ridley knows what he is doing, in terms of the tall guuy, I don't want to start ranting over something I've half seen in a 780p trailer. I'm not going to say anything about mutant zombies either
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 22, 2011, 09:40:10 PM
The whole thing is about terraforming...not forming the planets, but forming the lifeforms so they can survive.
As you see our jumping mutant doesn't need a helmet any more.
Terra means Earth or planet. :P
Could that mutant have been exposed to the 'Perfect Organism' DNA thing?
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 09:35:09 PM
Quote from: newbeing on Dec 22, 2011, 09:33:27 PM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:27:42 PM
They can't come in 1979 with this:
http://www.hollywood-collectibles.com/alien_17.jpg
And in 2012 with this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_20111222_teasertrailer30.jpg)
It's not possible. Really not possible. I really hope (and think) that at the end of the movie those retards mutants will look like some Giger/Xeno style creatures.
You're assuming that the jumping mutated looking guy is the monster.
I saw the 1080p trailer and he is kinda scary looking. Plus, this guy doesn't have any helmet or head gear on, and is making quite a leap from top of something.
I think it's just taking too many assumptions by looks alone. The guy he is getting the jump on could very well be the attacker. Again it all comes down to context
I personally don't think the Jockey race is a malevolent race. I could be totally wrong, but it seems like if they were they would have never transmitted a warning from the crashed ship in Alien.
I agree. I always wanted the Space Jockeys to be friendly. May be they are but the humans mess with the life-making apparatus and get doomed or something.
Quote from: newbeing on Dec 22, 2011, 09:49:35 PM
I personally don't think the Jockey race is a malevolent race. I could be totally wrong, but it seems like if they were they would have never transmitted a warning from the crashed ship in Alien.
It depends on who they were trying to warn really. I don't necessarily see them as malevolent either, at least not at first anyway, rather ambivalent to the concerns of lesser species.
That could of course change if Prometheus follows its namesake and humans start pinching their technology left right and center.
I'll just expand on what I said here (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41280.msg1247998#msg1247998).
As said there, I might come straight as a whiny fanboy or someone along the lines thereof, but I will just state my thoughts on the matter. If what we are seeing in that screenshot is, indeed, one of the famed 'Space Jockeys', I am disappointed by this aspect of the film.
I'll be honest in saying the suit aspect, since when it was just 'whispered', never convinced me... bar any comparison you want with Independence Day... that wasn't the first thing that popped in my mind. What holds that place is the thought of those ribs... those bent-out ribs, they were just part of a suit? That head we get a dramatic and eerie close-up of, with its empty and dead-for-aeons orbital holes... was not a head? Yeah... didn't excite me in the slightest when Scott confirmed it in an interview - quite the opposite in fact, but I could see why such a choice would be made, as it would allow for more artistic liberties to be taken, instead of being chained to what's already set up. From this point I was hoping either for something 'close but not the same as' this 'suit', or something fresh and not disappointing. At this point, the design possibilities were virtually endless - they could've brought up the worst pages of the Necronomicon to life, the ones that looked more alien, more otherwordly: the great beast with its writhing, tentacled head, that biomechanical dragon-thing ('Alien IV' to get specific), or what have you. Instead, what we actually get is a bald giant with biomechanical qualities... ohhh, that's great, with all the flying great f**k they could've come up with, that's what we get. The much-famed Space Jockey, the thing we've all been waiting to see alive and kicking onscreen, is a giant bald man. How unquestionably great.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"... I've never really realized how true this statement could be hahaha.
All of this, of course, in-keeping that Mr. Giger-Diesel up here being indeed the Jockey is nothing less or more than an assumption, since for all we know, that thing could be anything.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 22, 2011, 09:55:31 PM
I'll just expand on what I said here (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41280.msg1247998#msg1247998).
As said there, I might come straight as a whiny fanboy or someone along the lines thereof, but I will just state my thoughts on the matter. If what we are seeing in that screenshot is, indeed, one of the famed 'Space Jockeys', I am disappointed by this aspect of the film. Such a thing is, of course, an assumption, as that
I'll be honest in saying the suit aspect, since when it was just 'whispered', never convinced me... bar any comparison you want with Independence Day... that wasn't the first thing that popped in my mind. What holds that place is the thought of those ribs... those bent-out ribs, they were just part of a suit? That head we get a dramatic and eerie close-up of, with its empty and dead-for-aeons orbital holes... was not a head? Yeah... didn't excite me in the slightest when Scott confirmed it in an interview - quite the opposite in fact, but I could see why such a choice would be made, as it would allow for more artistic liberties to be taken, instead of being chained to what's already set up. From this point I was hoping either for something 'close but not the same as' this 'suit', or something fresh and not disappointing. At this point, the design possibilities were virtually endless - they could've brought up the worst pages of the Necronomicon to life, the ones that looked more alien, more otherwordly: the great beast with its writhing, tentacled head, that biomechanical dragon-thing ('Alien IV' to get specific), or what have you. Instead, what we actually get is a bald giant with biomechanical qualities... ohhh, that's great, with all the flying great f**k they could've come up with, that's what we get. The much-famed Space Jockey, the thing we've all been waiting to see alive and kicking onscreen, is a giant bald man. How unquestionably great.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"... I've never really realized how true this statement could be hahaha.
All of this, of course, in-keeping that Mr. Giger-Diesel up here being indeed the Jockey is nothing less or more than an assumption, since for all we know, that thing could be anything.
I understand your disappointment. I am thoroughly disappointed as well. I am guessing that the bald person is just a mutated human being.
The SJ in Alien even had visible teeth and it completely resembled a living being. Never did I think, that it was a 'suit'.
Personally, I would like to see the SJ as it appeared in the original movie. Not dead; but having that trunk, and all.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 22, 2011, 09:55:31 PM
I'll just expand on what I said here (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41280.msg1247998#msg1247998).
As said there, I might come straight as a whiny fanboy or someone along the lines thereof, but I will just state my thoughts on the matter. If what we are seeing in that screenshot is, indeed, one of the famed 'Space Jockeys', I am disappointed by this aspect of the film. Such a thing is, of course, an assumption, as that
I'll be honest in saying the suit aspect, since when it was just 'whispered', never convinced me... bar any comparison you want with Independence Day... that wasn't the first thing that popped in my mind. What holds that place is the thought of those ribs... those bent-out ribs, they were just part of a suit? That head we get a dramatic and eerie close-up of, with its empty and dead-for-aeons orbital holes... was not a head? Yeah... didn't excite me in the slightest when Scott confirmed it in an interview - quite the opposite in fact, but I could see why such a choice would be made, as it would allow for more artistic liberties to be taken, instead of being chained to what's already set up. From this point I was hoping either for something 'close but not the same as' this 'suit', or something fresh and not disappointing. At this point, the design possibilities were virtually endless - they could've brought up the worst pages of the Necronomicon to life, the ones that looked more alien, more otherwordly: the great beast with its writhing, tentacled head, that biomechanical dragon-thing ('Alien IV' to get specific), or what have you. Instead, what we actually get is a bald giant with biomechanical qualities... ohhh, that's great, with all the flying great f**k they could've come up with, that's what we get. The much-famed Space Jockey, the thing we've all been waiting to see alive and kicking onscreen, is a giant bald man. How unquestionably great.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"... I've never really realized how true this statement could be hahaha.
All of this, of course, in-keeping that Mr. Giger-Diesel up here being indeed the Jockey is nothing less or more than an assumption, since for all we know, that thing could be anything.
I have no issue with the Jockey being humanoid - so long as I see him somehow fuse to a biomechanoid suit, which I think will happen. Not only that, there're other beasts in the movie. The original bootlegged trailer shows a silver xeno-headed parasite slither past, along with what I can only describe as a flash of a "space cat" creature.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa410%2FUltramarine_99%2FCMCapture1.jpg&hash=9f794d56a7e4fc8874cd58a73b4b25e8f73ccbb4)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa410%2FUltramarine_99%2FSpaceCatThing.jpg&hash=74e2c9038c034cf1d7c6a751fd0215408b2616e9)
Fox haven't shot their load already - there's more to this movie yet to come...I think I might switch off till June so I'm pleasantly surprised. Going to be hard tho... lol
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Dec 22, 2011, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 22, 2011, 09:55:31 PM
I'll just expand on what I said here (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41280.msg1247998#msg1247998).
As said there, I might come straight as a whiny fanboy or someone along the lines thereof, but I will just state my thoughts on the matter. If what we are seeing in that screenshot is, indeed, one of the famed 'Space Jockeys', I am disappointed by this aspect of the film. Such a thing is, of course, an assumption, as that
I'll be honest in saying the suit aspect, since when it was just 'whispered', never convinced me... bar any comparison you want with Independence Day... that wasn't the first thing that popped in my mind. What holds that place is the thought of those ribs... those bent-out ribs, they were just part of a suit? That head we get a dramatic and eerie close-up of, with its empty and dead-for-aeons orbital holes... was not a head? Yeah... didn't excite me in the slightest when Scott confirmed it in an interview - quite the opposite in fact, but I could see why such a choice would be made, as it would allow for more artistic liberties to be taken, instead of being chained to what's already set up. From this point I was hoping either for something 'close but not the same as' this 'suit', or something fresh and not disappointing. At this point, the design possibilities were virtually endless - they could've brought up the worst pages of the Necronomicon to life, the ones that looked more alien, more otherwordly: the great beast with its writhing, tentacled head, that biomechanical dragon-thing ('Alien IV' to get specific), or what have you. Instead, what we actually get is a bald giant with biomechanical qualities... ohhh, that's great, with all the flying great f**k they could've come up with, that's what we get. The much-famed Space Jockey, the thing we've all been waiting to see alive and kicking onscreen, is a giant bald man. How unquestionably great.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"... I've never really realized how true this statement could be hahaha.
All of this, of course, in-keeping that Mr. Giger-Diesel up here being indeed the Jockey is nothing less or more than an assumption, since for all we know, that thing could be anything.
I have no issue with the Jockey being humanoid - so long as I see him somehow fuse to a biomechanoid suit, which I think will happen. Not only that, there're other beasts in the movie. The original bootlegged trailer shows a silver xeno-headed parasite slither past, along with what I can only describe as a flash of a "space cat" creature.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa410%2FUltramarine_99%2FCMCapture1.jpg&hash=9f794d56a7e4fc8874cd58a73b4b25e8f73ccbb4)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa410%2FUltramarine_99%2FSpaceCatThing.jpg&hash=74e2c9038c034cf1d7c6a751fd0215408b2616e9)
Fox haven't shot their load already - there's more to this movie yet to come...I think I might switch off till June so I'm pleasantly surprised. Going to be hard tho... lol
These two pictures are captured from that leaked trailer. Lets capture it from HD trailer...
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 10:14:48 PM
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Dec 22, 2011, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 22, 2011, 09:55:31 PM
I'll just expand on what I said here (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41280.msg1247998#msg1247998).
As said there, I might come straight as a whiny fanboy or someone along the lines thereof, but I will just state my thoughts on the matter. If what we are seeing in that screenshot is, indeed, one of the famed 'Space Jockeys', I am disappointed by this aspect of the film. Such a thing is, of course, an assumption, as that
I'll be honest in saying the suit aspect, since when it was just 'whispered', never convinced me... bar any comparison you want with Independence Day... that wasn't the first thing that popped in my mind. What holds that place is the thought of those ribs... those bent-out ribs, they were just part of a suit? That head we get a dramatic and eerie close-up of, with its empty and dead-for-aeons orbital holes... was not a head? Yeah... didn't excite me in the slightest when Scott confirmed it in an interview - quite the opposite in fact, but I could see why such a choice would be made, as it would allow for more artistic liberties to be taken, instead of being chained to what's already set up. From this point I was hoping either for something 'close but not the same as' this 'suit', or something fresh and not disappointing. At this point, the design possibilities were virtually endless - they could've brought up the worst pages of the Necronomicon to life, the ones that looked more alien, more otherwordly: the great beast with its writhing, tentacled head, that biomechanical dragon-thing ('Alien IV' to get specific), or what have you. Instead, what we actually get is a bald giant with biomechanical qualities... ohhh, that's great, with all the flying great f**k they could've come up with, that's what we get. The much-famed Space Jockey, the thing we've all been waiting to see alive and kicking onscreen, is a giant bald man. How unquestionably great.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"... I've never really realized how true this statement could be hahaha.
All of this, of course, in-keeping that Mr. Giger-Diesel up here being indeed the Jockey is nothing less or more than an assumption, since for all we know, that thing could be anything.
I have no issue with the Jockey being humanoid - so long as I see him somehow fuse to a biomechanoid suit, which I think will happen. Not only that, there're other beasts in the movie. The original bootlegged trailer shows a silver xeno-headed parasite slither past, along with what I can only describe as a flash of a "space cat" creature.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa410%2FUltramarine_99%2FCMCapture1.jpg&hash=9f794d56a7e4fc8874cd58a73b4b25e8f73ccbb4)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa410%2FUltramarine_99%2FSpaceCatThing.jpg&hash=74e2c9038c034cf1d7c6a751fd0215408b2616e9)
Fox haven't shot their load already - there's more to this movie yet to come...I think I might switch off till June so I'm pleasantly surprised. Going to be hard tho... lol
These two pictures are captured from that leaked trailer. Lets capture it from HD trailer...
There are quite a few scenes from the leaked trailer that do not appear in the official teaser. I've no doubt they are part of the film and will feature in the next main trailer :)
Quote from: Bigticket on Dec 22, 2011, 09:44:54 PM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Dec 22, 2011, 09:33:06 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 22, 2011, 09:21:07 PM
Lets wait for the movie and then criticize....hey , this is Ridley Scotts new movie, sci-fi movie !!! It's gonna be epic.
Awesome, I think Ridley is on to something, no really...
let's do the same thing to the next Predator film, no Predators, no dreads, no mandibles, sounds good to you?
Ok I'm done, have fun with the PG-13 Xenomorph-less film.
Since when there is ALIEN in the title ? Ridley said this isnt direct alien prequel and you are actin like its an direct alien prequel but for some reason ridley decided there will be no xenomorphs .
Hello,
AVP Galaxy "The pulse of the Alien and Predator community" reports news from Prometheus.
Space Jockey
Derelict (at least same model)
Android
Weyland
Do I really need to say everything we know that link both so far?
It's like Bilbo the Hobbit.
It's not about destroying the ring and that's all the difference you can figured out.
Also, I hardly see Ridley states "We'll see xenomorph" when this could concerns the
very last scene.
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I am disappointed too about the SJ.
I always had in mind this weird image:
The CHAIR & the SJ are ONE.
Which is original.
I mean imagine just the thing, The space jockey
and the chair are one! Like the chair you sit down
in front of your comp and you are one!
You are programmed to your duty: Surf the web!
It is a hell of an idea they had for ALIEN (1979)
and it is now erased by "a guy in a suit" aka load
of comic book, ID4, AVATAR, blablabla.
Uninspired, Déjà Vu, weak.
I had an idea that the Space Jockey saw the Twilight films, some Justin Bieber videos, and then decided humanity must die.
The bitching is starting to get annoying now. Horror-wise the Xenomorph is nothing now. Its not even scary. They can't keep reusing the same monster; so suck it up. (Unless we want a repeat of Aliens (hurpdurpSpaceAnts) or Requiem (Lolpreds and fail aliens))
The problem extends to the Jockey too. If they didn't pull the Suit trick then...how exactly do they get people to be afraid of the Jockey?
This is the reason why Zombies, Vampires and Werewolves aren't scary in the least any more. So suck it up and see what Scott gives us.
Quote from: Gunflyer on Dec 22, 2011, 11:04:43 PM
I had an idea that the Space Jockey saw the Twilight films, some Justin Bieber videos, and then decided humanity must die.
Speaking of Twilight...Predators are taking care of that
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2F25asx35.jpg&hash=77316854d9753aa8544cdfacc0da16ccdf168a26)
Those retarded Strause Brothers have killed the Xenomorphs.
Aliens killed the Xenomorph. The moment it became cannon fodder, it lost all horror appeal. Aliens wasn't a bad movie though.
As bad a movie as Resurrection was...that was the only movie that actually began to make them more scary again. (but was executed incorrectly)
Even if a lot of us doesn't like Resurrection, it has nothing to do with the abominable AVP movies. It was still ALIEN.
Hey The Hyena, I thought you liked Resurrection. Did you change opinion?
Quote from: The Hyena on Dec 22, 2011, 11:11:22 PM
Aliens killed the Xenomorph. The moment it became cannon fodder, it lost all horror appeal. Aliens wasn't a bad movie though.
As bad a movie as Resurrection was...that was the only movie that actually began to make them more scary again. (but was executed incorrectly)
Hello,
The problem isn't the creature itself I think.
It's the vision people had of them while doing a movie.
Also, apart the first Alien, I've never considered any other
movie to be horror movies since the "psychology"
to build an horror movie was lacking.
It was more about people dieing, gore, blabla over used to
a point in which if you see a good guy kill a bad guy you
probably won't feel a shit and vice versa.
It was my second favourite movie (Alien being first). I do understand that a lot in it could have been improved however. (Newborn appearing much sooner would have really given an Alien feel)
Quote
The problem isn't the creature itself I think.
It's the vision people had of them while doing a movie.
Also, apart the first Alien, I've never considered any other
movie to be horror movies since the "psychology"
to build an horror movie was lacking.
It was more about people dieing, gore, blabla over used to
a point in which if you see a good guy kill a bad guy you
probably won't feel a shit and vice versa.
The problem is the creature though. Even if they went with no Jockies and focused on the Alien...it will still feel like we know everything thats going to happen. Theres no room for creativity unless we go for Cloned Alien type things (which people seem to be against).
Once your exposed to something too much it becomes not scary. Like Zombies. Who can honestly say they've been horrified by a zombie movie lately? Compare the reactions to people in the very first zombie movies. Now its just another cannon fodder zombie.
This is why I'm willing to take a chance on the Bald Man jockey, because its new and fresh, and has that possibility of the phrase 'We are our own worst Enemy' happening.
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 11:09:47 PM
Those retarded Strause Brothers have killed the Xenomorphs.
Something even Ripley and a hundred nukes couldn't do...
^^I really like the storyline and the background, real Alien style for me, but the problem of the movie for me was Ripley. They should have begun a new cycle with Resurrection. Same kind of plot but no Rip.
Quote from: Gunflyer on Dec 22, 2011, 11:20:17 PM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 11:09:47 PM
Those retarded Strause Brothers have killed the Xenomorphs.
Something even Ripley and a hundred nukes couldn't do...
;D You can see the skills of the guys.
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Dec 22, 2011, 10:04:31 PM
I have no issue with the Jockey being humanoid - so long as I see him somehow fuse to a biomechanoid suit, which I think will happen. Not only that, there're other beasts in the movie. The original bootlegged trailer shows a silver xeno-headed parasite slither past, along with what I can only describe as a flash of a "space cat" creature.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa410%2FUltramarine_99%2FCMCapture1.jpg&hash=9f794d56a7e4fc8874cd58a73b4b25e8f73ccbb4)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa410%2FUltramarine_99%2FSpaceCatThing.jpg&hash=74e2c9038c034cf1d7c6a751fd0215408b2616e9)
Fox haven't shot their load already - there's more to this movie yet to come...I think I might switch off till June so I'm pleasantly surprised. Going to be hard tho... lol
Well the second photo reminds me of the Space Jockey head that they have in the scanner in Prometheus
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vx0mj_i5QHI/TvO8WfeqXvI/AAAAAAAAA30/8WmzbJIuoeg/s410/379563_2965163287557_1215888587_33348019_2122053926_n.jpg)
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 11:22:19 PM
^^I really like the storyline and the background, real Alien style for me, but the problem of the movie for me was Ripley. They should have begun a new cycle with Resurrection. Same kind of plot but no Rip.
People would've complained anyway. Now fans say 'NAW DEY SHUDDVE DONE SUMFIN ELS'. If the film
hadn't Ripley, it would be, instead, 'NAW THEY SHUDDVE DONE IT WIFF RAIPLEY'.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 22, 2011, 11:24:41 PM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 11:22:19 PM
^^I really like the storyline and the background, real Alien style for me, but the problem of the movie for me was Ripley. They should have begun a new cycle with Resurrection. Same kind of plot but no Rip.
People would've complained anyway. Now fans say 'NAW DEY SHUDDVE DONE SUMFIN ELS'. If the film hadn't Ripley, it would be, instead, 'NAW THEY SHUDDVE DONE IT WIFF RAIPLEY'.
This sums up the Aliens fanbase quite well.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Dec 22, 2011, 09:33:06 PM
Ok I'm done, have fun with the PG-13 Xenomorph-less film.
Who said the movie would be PG-13 and the movie can be still good. No point on jumping on the hate train just yet.
Quote from: The Hyena on Dec 22, 2011, 11:18:40 PM
It was my second favourite movie (Alien being first). I do understand that a lot in it could have been improved however. (Newborn appearing much sooner would have really given an Alien feel)
Quote
The problem isn't the creature itself I think.
It's the vision people had of them while doing a movie.
Also, apart the first Alien, I've never considered any other
movie to be horror movies since the "psychology"
to build an horror movie was lacking.
It was more about people dieing, gore, blabla over used to
a point in which if you see a good guy kill a bad guy you
probably won't feel a shit and vice versa.
The problem is the creature though. Even if they went with no Jockies and focused on the Alien...it will still feel like we know everything thats going to happen. Theres no room for creativity unless we go for Cloned Alien type things (which people seem to be against).
Once your exposed to something too much, it becomes not scary.
Hello,
You can always do something original and make it scary.
It's about imaginations and some people are more limited
than others especially when it comes to makes things
"their own original ideas" and not a bad ripoff of someone
else idea.
I'm not against the Space Jockey story at 100%.
But I still think:
It is useless because was made ALIEN... alien was
the fact we were unleashed during the first quarter
into a world of unknown with questions that'll never
be answer and that's what made it scary.
If you see a giant monster with razor teeth, I'm sure
you gonna run by fear which will drive you.
Why? Because you don't know it, while if we tell you
know this thing can't hurt a ant and is very friendly, you'll
see it with another eye.
Sure Alien is already established and we know most of the fear.
But why everyone is afraid to take direction and change things?
Just imagine by not entirely "showing" but "suggest" somehow
that the Alien rape a human who is going then to morph into
an alien egg progressively during 40 minutes.
Wouldn't be freakin' scary?
There is material, people who are writing stories just do not have
enough imagination and must rip from others movie while
everything is already given into the first Alien.
The space jockey part of the chair.
They are both one!
Imagine the thing, they are enslaved to their own work:
Create & destroys species in the universe.
Like you're one with your chair in front of your comp
and must hack the WWW to make a World War III.
QuoteSure Alien is already established and we know most of the fear.
But why everyone is afraid to take direction and change things?
Just imagine by not entirely "showing" but "suggest" somehow
that the Alien rape a human who is going then to morph into
an alien egg progressively during 40 minutes.
Wouldn't be freakin' scary?
Not really no, considering we've already read several scripts/deleted scenes/etc that describe alien sex. Not to mention the whole egg morphing scene from the first one kinda used that one up.
While I agree there is a good argument to be made that this is the Engineer/Jockey... We really don't know what or who it is. It could be a partially changed member of the crew... I still maintain that we are even beginning to see the really good stuff yet!
Quote from: ryanjayhawk on Dec 22, 2011, 11:36:25 PM
While I agree there is a good argument to be made that this is the Engineer/Jockey... We really don't know what or who it is. It could be a partially changed member of the crew... I still maintain that we are even beginning to see the really good stuff yet!
I agree completely.
Even though I'm slightly torn in speculation, we basically know nothing yet. Although I like reading the assumptions, I won't let them kill my anticipation.
Hi guys
New here, but this forum seems to be the best place to discuss Prometheus on the web ;(
Been lurking for a while, and like many if you I've been incredibly intrigued with what Scott will do with this 'delicate abd mych loved universe'. If anything our expectations could not possibly be met...
The whole deal with the Jockey was purely the fact that it's history was complete mystery - and for the last 25 years or so everyone has been wondering what it was, where it came from, and why. It was more mysterious than the salivating grotesque horrir alien we've all come to respect ( despite Resurrection and the AvP films admitably)
The jockey is very important.
What pains me now, is that this engineer / jockey looks to be a tall, bald human in a space suit. Wheres the bloody imahination
In that?
I am so so disappointed :(
Why can't they just do what everyone would prefer rather than screw something up?
Giant bald Jockey reminds me of Gunther Hermann from Deus Ex..
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giantbomb.com%2Fuploads%2F0%2F421%2F195596-1_hermann.jpg&hash=ef599ac7acadfd9b8a4db7c450e21ff6eeb24b16)
Anyway.. if that dude turns out to be the Jockey then...
Epic fail on Ridley's part... regardless of the final film being good or not...
replacing the original otherworldy bizarre design with the familiar and the less scary... eh.. fail.
Absolutely. A 100 steps backwards.
Agreed.
what a shame.
I wish they'd left the bone ship and the jockey out of this film completely now and simply addressed the story with new designs.
None of you have seen the film or even the said-creature in any detail yet. Just something to consider.
Why do i have this strange feeling that the ship itself is alive and its only snatching its pilots from different races?
aye. Its not confirmed that its the space jockey
I don't think Ridley would put the space jockey without a suit into the trailer
Can i point something out? It Leads me to believe that its not the Jockey but in fact a member of the ship
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Quote from: vehtam on Dec 23, 2011, 12:21:08 AM
Why do i have this strange feeling that the ship itself is alive and its only snatching its pilots from different races?
Hang on.... That's a bloody good idea.
Not quite what I'd like to personally see, but interesting.
Agreed that we don't really know who/what the jockey is yet, but it darn well looks like what we fear is the case.
Interestingly enough - that supposed leaked script (which turned out to be fan fiction in theory) is actually starting to become factually correct.
I noticed that that script talks about the ship standing upright and spinning- seems to be the case in the trailer.
Just suddenly occurred to me-
The tall bald chap in the wheelchair (who looks like a patient)
Could it be humans use whatever DNA altering stuff they find to adjust one if their own so that they can pilot the ship?
Quote from: nendo on Dec 23, 2011, 12:21:47 AM
aye. Its not confirmed that its the space jockey
I don't think Ridley would put the space jockey without a suit into the trailer
Can i point something out? It Leads me to believe that its not the Jockey but in fact a member of the ship
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/6573/proms.png
i think he would. thats the thing, you put a tall, bold guy ina spacesuit and people dont really know who he is.
The whole point is not how he looks, but who is he and what he does...
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 23, 2011, 12:18:16 AM
None of you have seen the film or even the said-creature in any detail yet. Just something to consider.
You're absolutely right, and this is why I'm going to have to disappear and return around June.
We've all been so jaded with the movie industry in recent years...let's face it, there have been few highspots, especially in sc-fi. But I'm willing to hold out for Scott. He's an exceptionally intelligent filmmaker - I'm just thinking of the intricacies and nuances of Bladerunner and the original Alien. This is a genre he's well suited to, as a filmmaker, graphic artist, creative person. I'm sure he'll deliver an epic horror.
Until then, I can't listen to much more bitching.
Has anyone ever thought about the role of the queen alien and that ridley Scott tells the story of the jockey being the direct Creator ... no queen
Quote from: baldinosteel on Dec 23, 2011, 12:52:37 AM
Has anyone ever thought about the role of the queen alien and that ridley Scott tells the story of the jockey being the direct Creator ... no queen
well yeah, there are two possibilities:
1. Prometheus tells the story of how the Xenos were created, including their lifecircle and ways of reproduction (also including an egg producing queen) and basically all the stuff we know about the Alien creature from the other movies. this of course doesn't mean we actually get to see all the details about it, basically i'm just talking about an explanation that doesn't contradict the stuff we know from the Alien movies.
2. Scott shits all over the Alien franchise except for his original movie and tells us something completely different of how the Xeno was created, how the eggs ended up in a spaceship and all the stuff that was unexplained in the first movie.
i don't believe that possibility 2 will be true because first off i think Ridley at least accepts that ALIENS is basically equally valued by the fancommunity - if he likes it or not - and also the Xeno lifecircle with the queen has become just as iconic as the stuff that was shown in the first movie. Scott and Cameron both respect each others works and i can not imagine that with Prometheus Scott will kind of kick Cameron's work out of the franchise.
i also get the impression that at least for the Weyland Corporation (another feature that became prominent in ALIENS) Scott drew more inspiration from Cameron's movie.
not only is the symbol a fusion of the symbols of both Alien movies, but in the first movie the company even had a different name, "Weylan-Yutani" i think it was, not to mention that the name was never actually "shown".
so yeah, i don't think that much will be changed about the Xeno creature.
probably it will only be featured in a pretty subtle way that doesn't give us much information anyway.
we still dont know 100% no body has seen the movie!
Quote"Weylan-Yutani" i think it was, not to mention that the name was never actually "shown".
It is shown on a computer screen at the start. And it might now also be visible on the beer cans on Blu-Ray.
I have been thinking since seeing the screencaps of the humanoid that perhaps it isn't the jockey at all, but perhaps Holloway or whomever aboard the Prometheus gets affected by whatever it is they encounter. The outfit on him looks a lot like the suits the crew is wearing inside the Ampule Room. I also don't think that they, the people behind this movie, give something so important away in the teaser - this is just opinion.
Some really good speculation on this thread (and others). I hope the movie explores themes at least as compelling as these.
@ the OP:
Ridley's been saying for years his idea for the Jockey was to be an Erich van Daniken-inspired bioengineer, responsible for humanity's creation. What else could he look like, considering we're made "in his image"?
:laugh:
;D
;)
:-\ Right, anyway.
@ baldinosteel:
Yeah, that's been an apparent paradox for a long time: if these things are manufactured, why is there a Queen who lays eggs? And if there's a Queen, why do they also sometimes craft eggs from their victims' remains? And if they reproduce after all, why suggest they were manufactured?
Kind of a chicken / egg thing: which came first? Only here there's an answer: the Engineer! I don't see it as a paradox, though. No reason all those things can't be true. I mean, hey... they're aliens. They're weird.
Quote from: dxdt on Dec 23, 2011, 01:58:33 AM
Some really good speculation on this thread (and others). I hope the movie explores themes at least as compelling as these.
@ the OP:
Ridley's been saying for years his idea for the Jockey was to be an Erich van Daniken-inspired bioengineer, responsible for humanity's creation. What else could he look like, considering we're made "in his image"?
:laugh:
;D
;)
:-\ Right, anyway.
@ baldinosteel:
Yeah, that's been an apparent paradox for a long time: if these things are manufactured, why is there a Queen who lays eggs? And if there's a Queen, why do they also sometimes craft eggs from their victims' remains? And if they reproduce after all, why suggest they were manufactured?
Kind of a chicken / egg thing: which came first? Only here there's an answer: the Engineer! I don't see it as a paradox, though. No reason all those things can't be true. I mean, hey... they're aliens. They're weird.
Would nature naturaly find a way to reproduce. If the alien is able to quickly adapt then a queen would evolve out of necessity. It may not of been pre-programmed to do it, but the need to reproduction took things into its own hands.
Also would a space jockey (whos tech and bio tech is light years ahead of ours) not think of a reproduction for things it creates. Its essensial to life. so a reproduction system (queen) woudl be included by default
Wasn't the whole point of the first film that the Alien, Space Jockey, and Derelict blurred the line between the organic and the mechanical? Wasn't that the entire aesthetic idea behind the film? That everything the humans encountered was, well...Alien? That it couldn't be understood in terms of biology or technology? In Alien the derelict looked more like a dead gigantic animal than a spaceship...that's what was so cool about it. It looked like the astronauts were exploring the inside of a body. It seems like that's been completely lost here. Even the jockey chamber in the trailer looks totally un-biomechanical. I'm sorry but I don't think anyone who watches Alien could possibly think that the jockey skeleton is just a suit, because it's obviously fused with the chair and has an organic look to it. Very disappointing overall.
Personally I don't care if Scott chooses option#2. I think the queen is what kind of cheapened the Aliens. Perhaps the Jockeys created a queen, so they didn't have to create them themselves? Kind of like a moving egg factory, so to speak.
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 22, 2011, 09:26:33 PM
Everyone assumes that that guy is the Jockey. WHY?????
What if the Jockey is something else altogether. What if the bald guy(s) are the Gods and the Jockey is their slave grunt worker who decides to help out the humans. Steal the fire.
Hi all,
Been lurking for a while, just recently decided to join. This is my first post.
I have to say, I agree with what is quoted above. For a while I've been thinking about this. From what Scott has revealed, it seems to me there will be at least 3 "intelligent" species in this movie:
1) The gods/engineers
2) The Prometheus type character or species
3) humans
I'm just speculating here, but I think that Mr. Clean is what what we would consider the god/engineer. What makes me think this? The giant head serves as a monument to the gods, and therefore is made to resemble the gods (and by extension, our friend, Mr. Clean). Also, the whole humans are made in the image of the gods speculation seems to point to this.
The jockeys I believe, are a totally different race, and fall somewhere between the gods and humans in terms of hierarchy -- if there is one. I get the feeling that they are sort of a custodian or slave race to the gods. Consider what we saw in the ampule room. We saw a jockey body with a severed head? Could this have been a jockey that crossed the gods? Not necessarily, THE jockey that we are familiar with, but a member of the same race. I don't buy the theory that the jockey head on the examination table is some sort of helmet. Sure, the jockey body that we see lying in the ampule room could very well be the suit that Scott talks about, but it does not necessarily follow that that head is a suit as well. Another thing: Look at the spacing between the eyes on the jockey head, and then look at the eye positioning on the head of Mr. Clean. They don't line up. I may be wrong, but I just feel that it is a stretch to say that that head is really a helmet. The fact that the head seems really flesh-like also contributes to this feeling I have.
Perhaps the jockey chair was really meant to be controlled by the god/engineer/Mr. Clean character, as the trailer seems to suggest. Perhaps the derelict was on its way to earth in order to wreak havoc on the human population ("what they find could be our end"). Perhaps the jockey sides with the humans in their fight against the gods and commandeers the ship in order to steer it away from its path to earth. Perhaps, he is doing this because he is benevolent, or because he is seeking revenge on the gods who punished him for helping the humans in some way -- thus, living up to the Prometheus role that Scott talked about...
Anyways, tons of holes can probably be poked in what I just said, but this is what I think.
Glad to join the conversation here.
Has anyone yet assumed that the bald man we see in the picture mutates or goes through some kind of metamorphosis which leads to him becoming the jockey we all know and fear, after all, the pic of the crew member and the thing next to the chair are similar enough to be the same person but also have huge differences in them, he could continue to change until we have a bony figure with a trunk. Perhaps the previous head/helmet is from a long dead mutated human?
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Dec 22, 2011, 11:23:40 PM
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Dec 22, 2011, 10:04:31 PM
I have no issue with the Jockey being humanoid - so long as I see him somehow fuse to a biomechanoid suit, which I think will happen. Not only that, there're other beasts in the movie. The original bootlegged trailer shows a silver xeno-headed parasite slither past, along with what I can only describe as a flash of a "space cat" creature.
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Fox haven't shot their load already - there's more to this movie yet to come...I think I might switch off till June so I'm pleasantly surprised. Going to be hard tho... lol
Well the second photo reminds me of the Space Jockey head that they have in the scanner in Prometheus
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Looks like a District 9 insect alien head. ;D
I'm not surprised or really care until I see the movie.
Quote from: Xenomoron on Dec 23, 2011, 02:56:56 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 22, 2011, 09:26:33 PM
Everyone assumes that that guy is the Jockey. WHY?????
What if the Jockey is something else altogether. What if the bald guy(s) are the Gods and the Jockey is their slave grunt worker who decides to help out the humans. Steal the fire.
Hi all,
Been lurking for a while, just recently decided to join. This is my first post.
I have to say, I agree with what is quoted above. For a while I've been thinking about this. From what Scott has revealed, it seems to me there will be at least 3 "intelligent" species in this movie:
1) The gods/engineers
2) The Prometheus type character or species
3) humans
I'm just speculating here, but I think that Mr. Clean is what what we would consider the god/engineer. What makes me think this? The giant head serves as a monument to the gods, and therefore is made to resemble the gods (and by extension, our friend, Mr. Clean). Also, the whole humans are made in the image of the gods speculation seems to point to this.
The jockeys I believe, are a totally different race, and fall somewhere between the gods and humans in terms of hierarchy -- if there is one. I get the feeling that they are sort of a custodian or slave race to the gods. Consider what we saw in the ampule room. We saw a jockey body with a severed head? Could this have been a jockey that crossed the gods? Not necessarily, THE jockey that we are familiar with, but a member of the same race. I don't buy the theory that the jockey head on the examination table is some sort of helmet. Sure, the jockey body that we see lying in the ampule room could very well be the suit that Scott talks about, but it does not necessarily follow that that head is a suit as well. Another thing: Look at the spacing between the eyes on the jockey head, and then look at the eye positioning on the head of Mr. Clean. They don't line up. I may be wrong, but I just feel that it is a stretch to say that that head is really a helmet. The fact that the head seems really flesh-like also contributes to this feeling I have.
Perhaps the jockey chair was really meant to be controlled by the god/engineer/Mr. Clean character, as the trailer seems to suggest. Perhaps the derelict was on its way to earth in order to wreak havoc on the human population ("what they find could be our end"). Perhaps the jockey sides with the humans in their fight against the gods and commandeers the ship in order to steer it away from its path to earth. Perhaps, he is doing this because he is benevolent, or because he is seeking revenge on the gods who punished him for helping the humans in some way -- thus, living up to the Prometheus role that Scott talked about...
Anyways, tons of holes can probably be poked in what I just said, but this is what I think.
Glad to join the conversation here.
Welcome aboard Xenomoron ;D Anyway maybe a human takes control of a space jockey suit :-\ or something.
Quote from: HMRUBICON on Dec 23, 2011, 03:44:57 AM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Dec 22, 2011, 11:23:40 PM
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Dec 22, 2011, 10:04:31 PM
I have no issue with the Jockey being humanoid - so long as I see him somehow fuse to a biomechanoid suit, which I think will happen. Not only that, there're other beasts in the movie. The original bootlegged trailer shows a silver xeno-headed parasite slither past, along with what I can only describe as a flash of a "space cat" creature.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa410%2FUltramarine_99%2FCMCapture1.jpg&hash=9f794d56a7e4fc8874cd58a73b4b25e8f73ccbb4)
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Fox haven't shot their load already - there's more to this movie yet to come...I think I might switch off till June so I'm pleasantly surprised. Going to be hard tho... lol
Well the second photo reminds me of the Space Jockey head that they have in the scanner in Prometheus
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vx0mj_i5QHI/TvO8WfeqXvI/AAAAAAAAA30/8WmzbJIuoeg/s410/379563_2965163287557_1215888587_33348019_2122053926_n.jpg)
Looks like a District 9 insect alien head. ;D
Damn prawns ;D
fokkin prawns!
ahem..
anyway.. those 2 images above are so distorted and
dark that they remind me more of a rorscharch's test..
Welcome Xenomoron
Some decent ideas there that I like.
I was starting to think that Mr. Clean was either shaws offspring or the end result of the guy who is mutating, but that picture of the chair room has me changing my mind.
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It appears there are 3 or 4 cryo/sleep chambers in the room with the one in the lower left open. I think Mr. Clean crawled out of there. That doesn't 100% mean he is an engineer, but it's also a very real possibility.
One thing I keep in mind when considering the space jockey is that it was creating only to provide atmosphere in ALIEN. It was never made to interact and it was never created with a sequal/prequal in mind. It's like a huge sculpture that people want to see move around, and it might have come to the point in the preplanning stages where they decided they couldn't create the jockey in a fully articulating mobile form without it looking cheesey.
We do have the dead jockey or suit from the ampule room, so I'm guessing we'll be seeing that at some point in the movie. That fits into the puzzle somehow.
With 30+ years between Space Jockey sightings I am willing to give the movie a mulligan on his appearence.
I don't think that guy is a Jockey at all. I think he's a human altered with their tech, the purpose of the mission in general. The chair/telescope in the original was massive, and you can clearly see him being protected by the men with guns in the trailer. Not to mention the examined helmet is so small... I believe it to be a recreation made to fit that man, who is also seen in the wheelchair. This also goes along with the mythology behind the title, 'Prometheus'. I'd say he was a 'Reverse Engineer'.
Aren't there two Engineers in the film? A 'regular' one and an 'elder' one?
Quote from: The Hyena on Dec 22, 2011, 11:07:23 PM
The bitching is starting to get annoying now. Horror-wise the Xenomorph is nothing now. Its not even scary.
LOL, no. Could not disagree more.
Show me another creature which has ever risen to the heights of horror the Alien represented, since more than thirty years ago. There isn't one. Nothing has been that iconic. Virtually everything which has come close has been inspired by it.
Just because it hasn't been treated right since the eighties, doesn't mean a talented film-maker would be incapable of revisiting what made them great.
QuoteThe problem extends to the Jockey too. If they didn't pull the Suit trick then...how exactly do they get people to be afraid of the Jockey?
The Jockey never needed to be scary. It needed to be
disturbing - and that psychological effect could be achieved in the same way as it was in the original.
QuoteThis is the reason why Zombies, Vampires and Werewolves aren't scary in the least any more.
No, the reason why zombies/vampires/werewolves aren't scary is because
nobody portrays them right. There's some truly excellent artwork of them which is incredibly atmospheric, but it's rare, if not non-existent, to see that same quality conveyed in live motion.
QuoteAliens killed the Xenomorph. The moment it became cannon fodder, it lost all horror appeal. Aliens wasn't a bad movie though.
Like when Ripley shot a harpoon at it, you mean? ;)
That one scene proved they wouldn't stand up to bullets of a decent type. Cameron can't be blamed for that. The problem with films like '
Requiem' is that it forgot the Colonial Marines stated, on screen, that they use high-explosive armour-piercing rounds - the same type you see Apache gunships of today using. They are
designed to slice through armoured targets and
shred them. People who say it reduced the Aliens to "cannon fodder" forget that it also showed bullets from a handgun ricocheting off the armour. If you shot them with assault rifles of today, it wouldn't do anything.
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'
Aliens' did plenty to make sure the creatures were still effective horror icons.
QuoteAs bad a movie as Resurrection was...that was the only movie that actually began to make them more scary again. (but was executed incorrectly)
I genuinely found nothing in '
Alien Resurrection' which, in any way, scared or disturbed me.
Quote from: deimos-remus on Dec 23, 2011, 02:43:37 AM
Personally I don't care if Scott chooses option#2. I think the queen is what kind of cheapened the Aliens. Perhaps the Jockeys created a queen, so they didn't have to create them themselves? Kind of like a moving egg factory, so to speak.
The Queen in
no way "cheapened" them. It was purely a device to allow them to breed in high numbers. Nothing more.
It also occurs to me that they wouldn't reveal the Jockey - just like that - in the first trailer, or any trailer for that matter. I bet they just wanted to get the internet bitching that the Jockey is humanoid instead of a big crazy cool alien thing. That would be premature ejaculation on the studio's part. Ah guh guh GUUUUHHHHHHH!
The ALIEN itself did not make the fisrt movie scray. It was the way the movie was shot. What made it scary was NOT seeing the xeno.
Quote from: dxdt on Dec 23, 2011, 01:58:33 AM
Some really good speculation on this thread (and others). I hope the movie explores themes at least as compelling as these.
@ the OP:
Ridley's been saying for years his idea for the Jockey was to be an Erich van Daniken-inspired bioengineer, responsible for humanity's creation. What else could he look like, considering we're made "in his image"?
:laugh:
;D
;)
:-\ Right, anyway.
@ baldinosteel:
Yeah, that's been an apparent paradox for a long time: if these things are manufactured, why is there a Queen who lays eggs? And if there's a Queen, why do they also sometimes craft eggs from their victims' remains? And if they reproduce after all, why suggest they were manufactured?
Kind of a chicken / egg thing: which came first? Only here there's an answer: the Engineer! I don't see it as a paradox, though. No reason all those things can't be true. I mean, hey... they're aliens. They're weird.
No chicken vs egg necessarily... if you are an Engineer and you created the Xeno you are probably striving for end -results. 1-1 conversion with just eggs isn't realistic through transport. So you want to start with a good number of eggs, then allow the Xenos to keep things going on their own. Single Xenos have the ability to create eggs themselves when necessary, or a Queen can appear making a large number of eggs allowing the normal Xenos to kidnap for impregnating. These things don't cancel one another they just make the Xeno a versatile and self-sufficient weapon.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 23, 2011, 04:22:30 AM
I genuinely found nothing in 'Alien Resurrection' which, in any way, scared or disturbed me.
Not even the "Number 8 finds the other clones" bit? There was 0 buildup to that scene.. but i still found it effective.. one of the most memorable things of the movie, for sure.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Dec 23, 2011, 04:49:11 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 23, 2011, 04:22:30 AM
I genuinely found nothing in 'Alien Resurrection' which, in any way, scared or disturbed me.
Not even the "Number 8 finds the other clones" bit? There was 0 buildup to that scene.. but i still found it effective.. one of the most memorable things of the movie, for sure.
Funnily enough, I'm sure that scene was lifted from David Twohy's Alien III script. At least the imagery of Alien/human hybrids in vats/glasses of formaldehyde.
Starting to think about it. Ridley Scott did say "there may be two" androids. Maybe the image in my OP is, in fact, a biomechanoid imitation built by the TRUE space jockeys?
Is he CGI ?
Looks like that atomic guy from the watchmen movie (am sure the comic book nerds will jump me for getting his name totally wrong..... but you know who I mean I'm sure)
Dr Manhattan. I thought he was ace in that movie.
Quote from: JKS1 on Dec 23, 2011, 05:03:50 AM
Is he CGI ?
Looks like that atomic guy from the watchmen movie (am sure the comic book nerds will jump me for getting his name totally wrong..... but you know who I mean I'm sure)
Dr. Manhattan.. I had the same thought.
I think that the Engineer, if that's what it is, is very good. It fits and is as the filmmakers have been saying all along; it's the last thing you expect. It explains the giant head and IMO doesn't detract from the feel of the film at all. A giant, soulless engineer, who would watch blank faced as you melted in agony into an alien egg; who could at the press of a button destroy an entire race. I think it's goooood.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 23, 2011, 04:22:30 AMJust because it hasn't been treated right since the eighties, doesn't mean a talented film-maker would be incapable of revisiting what made them great.
Agree, and I think Ridley is throwing the baby out with the bath water to not include them in any way at all. They should be there IMO - not central, but apparent.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 23, 2011, 04:22:30 AMNo, the reason why zombies/vampires/werewolves aren't scary is because nobody portrays them right.
Neill Marshall, Dog Soldiers. Excellent werewolf film.
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 05:39:46 AM
I think that the Engineer, if that's what it is, is very good. It fits and is as the filmmakers have been saying all along; it's the last thing you expect. It explains the giant head and IMO doesn't detract from the feel of the film at all. A giant, soulless engineer, who would watch blank faced as you melted in agony into an alien egg; who could at the press of a button destroy an entire race. I think it's goooood.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 23, 2011, 04:22:30 AMJust because it hasn't been treated right since the eighties, doesn't mean a talented film-maker would be incapable of revisiting what made them great.
Agree, and I think Ridley is throwing the baby out with the bath water to not include them in any way at all. They should be there IMO - not central, but apparent.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 23, 2011, 04:22:30 AMNo, the reason why zombies/vampires/werewolves aren't scary is because nobody portrays them right.
Neill Marshall, Dog Soldiers. Excellent werewolf film.
-Chris
Yeah! Those werewolves ripped you apart. Loved that film.
Anyway, the more I watch the trailer the more confused I become. I guess that's a good thing.
Dog Soldiers was nice but i see it more as a slasher/comedy :laugh:
Yeah it was funny too. It had that British wit that I like.
QuoteThat one scene proved they wouldn't stand up to bullets of a decent type. Cameron can't be blamed for that. The problem with films like 'Requiem' is that it forgot the Colonial Marines stated, on screen, that they use high-explosive armour-piercing rounds - the same type you see Apache gunships of today using. They are designed to slice through armoured targets and shred them. People who say it reduced the Aliens to "cannon fodder" forget that it also showed bullets from a handgun ricocheting off the armour. If you shot them with assault rifles of today, it wouldn't do anything.
Yes! Requiem clearly missed that. The Aliens in Aliens weren't cannon fodder at all, compared to whatever we see in Requiem.
In Aliens numerous characters died while encountering Aliens; while in Requiem, numerous Aliens died while encountering a Predator and children.
Yeah I hate the rooftop scene in Requiem for the most part. That's when the Aliens to me became pretty retarded and dumb. No alien would runaway like the one did from Wolf. That was stupid.
No actually, the way the Aliens were being slaughtered, all of them should have run away from Wolf.
Really? To me they should've gone after his ass. I mean he was wounded, and they would've had the advantage for sure. I still think it would've been cool to see Wolf die like in the original script Salerno script. That was the only part that I actually agreed with from that shit typed on paper.
Back on Topic:
I'm saying they're saving the Jockey for the movie. We haven't seen "it" yet.
This is no SJ...it's this guy from Critters II:
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So we might even see this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHQvFS6Eggw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHQvFS6Eggw#)
Damn, this video is cut...missing the best "parts".
:o
Reposting what everyone seem to skim past:
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 23, 2011, 05:01:40 AM
Starting to think about it. Ridley Scott did say "there may be two" androids. Maybe the image in my OP is, in fact, a biomechanoid imitation built by the TRUE space jockeys?
I bet this is no SJ, just cheap bait...as said before, it's just disinformation. On the one side you see something like a SJ "helmet" and on the other side you see some strange lifeform standing next to the SJ chair, but you never see the real deal - so everyone assumes that this guy is the SJ without the "helmet". I don't think he would give away such an information in the first 60 second trailer...i mean the SJ is the most interesting thing in the franchise (besides the xenomorphs).
Could be the real thing as well of course...we've got the chair, those 4 "cryo chambers" next to the chair (same size as the "creature"), god formed us in his image, helmet would fit - we will see it in 2012 :laugh:
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 05:39:46 AM
Agree, and I think Ridley is throwing the baby out with the bath water to not include them in any way at all. They should be there IMO - not central, but apparent.
I think it's just a mixture of bravado and trying to hype this project up. We know he was happy to work with Cameron on a fifth film, but, according to Cameron, just never bothered to get back in touch after he was preparing to write it. Scott
was wanting to do another project with them. He
did have ideas on how to handle them.
I find it downright strange that he's miraculously done a complete 180 on that in just a couple of years or so. Jaded, maybe, but not
this apathetic.
QuoteNeill Marshall, Dog Soldiers. Excellent werewolf film.
I thought it was an entertaining film, but there's still something... Incomplete about it. Just a personal feeling. Still waiting for a properly iconic werewolf film. Something classic.
I mean, I thoroughly liked '
Ginger Snaps', as a film, but the same applies.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Dec 23, 2011, 06:11:44 AM
Yeah I hate the rooftop scene in Requiem for the most part. That's when the Aliens to me became pretty retarded and dumb. No alien would runaway like the one did from Wolf. That was stupid.
The entire project suffered from the directors thinking the best way to make one of the two ET factions seem strong was to devalue its enemy. Me, SM, SiL and others, while one of them was posting here, kept trying to point out to him that it would have the opposite effect: Make the Predator look idiotic, because it's beating up on the proverbial retarded school kids, since you only have to watch the original films and know that 'Wolf' wouldn't have had a chance against, say, one or two of the Hadley's Hope beasts (or, hell, even Ripley's clone, as I pointed out at the time).
There was a prolonged debate about the famous sewer sequence. He admitted the production staff
knew it could look bad to not have the Aliens fighting back and just squealing and flailing, but were gambling on the audience being so caught up in the moment that they wouldn't notice.
Turned out, it was a bad gamble... People
did notice. Just like the audience also noticed that the Aliens just weren't matching up to their old selves, in either looks
or, most importantly, behaviour and abilities. They were almost live action parodies of themselves.
Which is why I'm certain, if a talented director came along and was given enough money to make it happen, the Aliens damned well
could be made just as horrifying and visceral as they deserve to be. It just takes the right story and way of ultimately portraying it.
Just like there's still definite mileage in the concept of the AVP idea. It just needs for the end result to be treated like a true clash of the Lovecraftian titans, when all we've been given is are essentially bitchslap contests on a low budget - twice.
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maybe i'm crazy but when you zoom in on his arm,it looks like his elbow is just bone,no flesh on it.the lower part of the arm is meaty,then comes a very thin part instead of the elbow,skeleton like,then comes the upper part of the arm,and i can't tell if it's still meaty or biomechanic like the material on his torso.it's hard to tell really but it could be a differentiating feature to be more ,,alien''.
and probably when we see his head from the front it has features similar to that helmet they find,and not like the giant human head statue
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 23, 2011, 06:32:42 AM
Reposting what everyone seem to skim past:
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 23, 2011, 05:01:40 AM
Starting to think about it. Ridley Scott did say "there may be two" androids. Maybe the image in my OP is, in fact, a biomechanoid imitation built by the TRUE space jockeys?
i did actually say something along those lines in another thread jay, i speculated that maybe there's a type of being that wears a suit to look like the real sjs for some reason. my theory came from the apparent smaller size of the jockey head/helmet in the lab scene and that it also looks slightly different from the original sj.
probably wrong like but just another theory.
thanks
rich
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 23, 2011, 07:04:12 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 05:39:46 AM
Agree, and I think Ridley is throwing the baby out with the bath water to not include them in any way at all. They should be there IMO - not central, but apparent.
I think it's just a mixture of bravado and trying to hype this project up. We know he was happy to work with Cameron on a fifth film, but, according to Cameron, just never bothered to get back in touch after he was preparing to write it. Scott was wanting to do another project with them. He did have ideas on how to handle them.
I find it downright strange that he's miraculously done a complete 180 on that in just a couple of years or so. Jaded, maybe, but not this apathetic.
QuoteNeill Marshall, Dog Soldiers. Excellent werewolf film.
I thought it was an entertaining film, but there's still something... Incomplete about it. Just a personal feeling. Still waiting for a properly iconic werewolf film. Something classic.
I mean, I thoroughly liked 'Ginger Snaps', as a film, but the same applies.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Dec 23, 2011, 06:11:44 AM
Yeah I hate the rooftop scene in Requiem for the most part. That's when the Aliens to me became pretty retarded and dumb. No alien would runaway like the one did from Wolf. That was stupid.
The entire project suffered from the directors thinking the best way to make one of the two ET factions seem strong was to devalue its enemy. Me, SM, SiL and others, while one of them was posting here, kept trying to point out to him that it would have the opposite effect: Make the Predator look idiotic, because it's beating up on the proverbial retarded school kids, since you only have to watch the original films and know that 'Wolf' wouldn't have had a chance against, say, one or two of the Hadley's Hope beasts (or, hell, even Ripley's clone, as I pointed out at the time).
There was a prolonged debate about the famous sewer sequence. He admitted the production staff knew it could look bad to not have the Aliens fighting back and just squealing and flailing, but were gambling on the audience being so caught up in the moment that they wouldn't notice.
Turned out, it was a bad gamble... People did notice. Just like the audience also noticed that the Aliens just weren't matching up to their old selves, in either looks or, most importantly, behaviour and abilities. They were almost live action parodies of themselves.
Which is why I'm certain, if a talented director came along and was given enough money to make it happen, the Aliens damned well could be made just as horrifying and visceral as they deserve to be. It just takes the right story and way of ultimately portraying it.
Just like there's still definite mileage in the concept of the AVP idea. It just needs for the end result to be treated like a true clash of the Lovecraftian titans, when all we've been given is are essentially bitchslap contests on a low budget - twice.
You got that right.
are you guys forgetting the greatest warewolf movie ever?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3FTkAS15zk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3FTkAS15zk#)
thanks
rich
Looks like the tall bald guy only has four digits on his right hand from what I can see. Hmm... Are my eyes playing tricks on me? 8)
I like how it kind of has some armor/suit fused to it. Looks really biomech.
SUPAH COOL.
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 23, 2011, 07:18:14 AMare you guys forgetting the greatest warewolf movie ever?
No way! Not forgotten at all; one of my favorite films. But it was a comedy. Dog Soldiers wasn't. It had funny moments, but it also has the best onscreen werewolf since, well, forever.. those f**kers were brutal and
scary.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1225.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee395%2FChrisPachi%2Fdogsoldiers6.jpg&hash=b97cd45c24aa7204337fd029f4b15786aaf23fbe)
Dog Soldiers took it over the line and went all out, but it respected the source material. The AVP films didn't.
-Chris
yeah i loved dog soldiers, great movie. but i prefer american warewolf to any other warewolf movie i can think of!.
but anyway, back on topic, so how do we think this suit business is going to work?. will they physically put it on or will it grow out of them or magically materialise? and will the suit then connect itself to the chair avatar style?...
thanks
rich
"The Space Jockey (or Engineer) well be a humanoid! Let the impending rage begin!"~JaaayDee
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Oh man... add a couple of horns and paint him purple cause he screams captain ginyu!
And who is Guy Pearce then IF this is the SJ?
@RICH-ENGLAND
My own guess is that the suit is not something that is apart from them, but something that is a part of them. It grows from their own bodies, like a caterpillars cocoon, or a crabs carapace. Why it looks so different from them is probably a function of the ship itself, defined by the beings that created them (I am with you on this; the engineer is the lower being).
The being gets into the chair and grows into it, backwards. I think the chair is inert.
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 23, 2011, 09:27:38 AMAnd who is Guy Pearce then IF this is the SJ?
Guy will be right at the start of the movie, showing everyone how to use a spacesuit, and get blown up by a random mishap. It's his thing. ;)
-Chris
So he will wear a red shirt like in Star Trek? Damn you, Lindelof...he will do it again!
Edit: Since this is the "official SJ thread" i will drop this one here as well:
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Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 09:37:04 AM
@RICH-ENGLAND
My own guess is that the suit is not something that is apart from them, but something that is a part of them. It grows from their own bodies, like a caterpillars cocoon, or a crabs carapace. Why it looks so different from them is probably a function of the ship itself, defined by the beings that created them (I am with you on this; the engineer is the lower being).
The being gets into the chair and grows into it, backwards. I think the chair is inert.
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 23, 2011, 09:27:38 AMAnd who is Guy Pearce then IF this is the SJ?
Guy will be right at the start of the movie, showing everyone how to use a spacesuit, and get blown up by a random mishap. It's his thing. ;)
-Chris
its odd because although im slightly disappointed that this guy might be the sj and smaller than original scale, im still intrigued by the possibilities and i still like the look of his design, .
maybe the other theory is correct that a crew member morphs into this guy from touching something he shouldn't then turns into a slave to the real sjs and sets about awakening them from cryo sleep.
thanks
rich
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 23, 2011, 09:45:58 AMits odd becausealthough im slightly disappointed that this guy might be the sj and smaller than original scale, im still intrigued by the possibilities and i still like the look of his design.
I like the design as well. At the risk of flogging a dead horse, I'm still not sold on the size issue:
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Looks right to me? And yes the lines are parallel.
-Chris
well in some shots on alien and making of shots, the humans look about the length of or shorter than the jockeys arm which if we then add his head and legs we may get a jockey about 14 or 15 feet tall as the humans could be 6ft plus the added height of their helmets/suits and to me he doesn't seem to have such dimensions over the humans in prometheus, and also if we ignore the huge helmet the humans are wearing in alien then the jockeys head is massive compared to a human head but doesnt look anywhere as big in comparison in the lab scanning shot which i personally think makes some of the comparison shots people have made a little misleading. last point is the jockey body/suit in the ampule room doesn't look anywhere near the size of the original but that might just be an odd perspective shot or there could be different size sjs or two different creatures as already theorised.
again we could all be wrong as we aren't seeing the whole story in the trailers/pictures and dont have a great deal to work with making good scale comparisons.
Quote from: The Hyena on Dec 22, 2011, 11:07:23 PM
The bitching is starting to get annoying now. Horror-wise the Xenomorph is nothing now. Its not even scary. They can't keep reusing the same monster; so suck it up. (Unless we want a repeat of Aliens (hurpdurpSpaceAnts) or Requiem (Lolpreds and fail aliens))
The problem extends to the Jockey too. If they didn't pull the Suit trick then...how exactly do they get people to be afraid of the Jockey?
This is the reason why Zombies, Vampires and Werewolves aren't scary in the least any more. So suck it up and see what Scott gives us.
THANK YOU! Well said. This bitching and whining about the SJ and disappointment and comparisons to other movies is utterly ridiculous. We've been given 67 seconds of footage and every douchebag on the blogosphere is making silly proclamations, confirmations about Prometheus when it's still 6 months out. If the trailer has already let you down, DONT SEE THE F***ING MOVIE. PERIOD.
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 23, 2011, 10:19:08 AMagain we could all be wrong as we aren't seeing the whole story in the trailers/pictures and dont have a great deal to work with making good scale comparisons.
But RICH, the lines are parallel! Serendipitously the two shots lineup. The gaffer with the torch gives us an exact indication of the size of the new Jockey chair, and it's BIG. Screw the helmet or the 'corpse'. The Jockey chair is the same size.
Quote from: cmdcnqr on Dec 23, 2011, 10:23:52 AMTHANK YOU! Well said. This bitching and whining about the SJ and disappointment and comparisons to other movies is utterly ridiculous. We've been given 67 seconds of footage and every douchebag on the blogosphere is making silly proclamations, confirmations about Prometheus when it's still 6 months out. If the trailer has already let you down, DONT SEE THE F***ING MOVIE. PERIOD
Short, and pointless. Thanks ;)
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 10:34:10 AM
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 23, 2011, 10:19:08 AMagain we could all be wrong as we aren't seeing the whole story in the trailers/pictures and dont have a great deal to work with making good scale comparisons.
But RICH, the lines are parallel! Serendipitously the two shots lineup. The gaffer with the torch gives us an exact indication of the size of the new Jockey chair, and it's BIG. Screw the helmet or the 'corpse'. The Jockey chair is the same size.
Quote from: cmdcnqr on Dec 23, 2011, 10:23:52 AMTHANK YOU! Well said. This bitching and whining about the SJ and disappointment and comparisons to other movies is utterly ridiculous. We've been given 67 seconds of footage and every douchebag on the blogosphere is making silly proclamations, confirmations about Prometheus when it's still 6 months out. If the trailer has already let you down, DONT SEE THE F***ING MOVIE. PERIOD
Short, and pointless. Thanks ;)
-Chris
both of those pictures are from prometheus chris, so again its misleading. now i bet if you compare the ones from alien with the guys in suits or kids in suits walking round the chair they look smaller than that guy does, maybe not massively but just enough to make the sj look a bit smaller
thanks
rich
QuoteLOL, no. Could not disagree more.
Show me another creature which has ever risen to the heights of horror the Alien represented, since more than thirty years ago. There isn't one. Nothing has been that iconic. Virtually everything which has come close has been inspired by it.
Just because it hasn't been treated right since the eighties, doesn't mean a talented film-maker would be incapable of revisiting what made them great.
Well, its gonna need a massive budget and to be based on one of the more unique of EU stories if its to bring even a slight scare. As we know the lifecycle, we know how the alien hunts, we know the scares used in alien and aliens, we know all the possible uses of the alien; so it needs to be something extremely, extremely inventive because something thats been seen before ain't scary.
I mean, this is the chance to actually expand the Alien universe without having the Xenomorph dominate everything.
This looks amazing and personally i cannot wait!!!
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 23, 2011, 10:19:08 AMboth of those pictures are from prometheus chris, so again its misleading.
I did the comparisons to Alien, and the size difference is negligible IMO. Let's just hope that on screen it feels as big as it did back then.
-Chris
Quote from: Zeta Reticuli on Dec 23, 2011, 01:24:51 AM
Quote from: baldinosteel on Dec 23, 2011, 12:52:37 AM
Has anyone ever thought about the role of the queen alien and that ridley Scott tells the story of the jockey being the direct Creator ... no queen
well yeah, there are two possibilities:
1. Prometheus tells the story of how the Xenos were created, including their lifecircle and ways of reproduction (also including an egg producing queen) and basically all the stuff we know about the Alien creature from the other movies. this of course doesn't mean we actually get to see all the details about it, basically i'm just talking about an explanation that doesn't contradict the stuff we know from the Alien movies.
2. Scott shits all over the Alien franchise except for his original movie and tells us something completely different of how the Xeno was created, how the eggs ended up in a spaceship and all the stuff that was unexplained in the first movie.
You have missed the 3rd option : He doesnt mention or reference them directly at all. At best i expect to see similar looking biomechanical structures to the Alien, maybe a glimpse at an egg. But i think those expecting the film to spell out where they came from and how will be sorely disappointed.
Everything so far points to the film focusing on human origins and the Space Jockeys role in them, not the origins of the Alien - a creature Ridley Scott has repeatedly said has been overused and ruined.
QuoteKind of a chicken / egg thing: which came first? Only here there's an answer
The chicken/egg thing isnt a paradox, there has always been an answer: The egg came first. It was laid by a species slightly different to a chicken, a mutation hatched, it was successful and passed on its genes and several million years later we have chicken McNuggets.
I'm watching Alien right now and the differences in size are far from negligable. The humans in Alien are dwarved by the scene, SJ, and telescope. This isn't true for the shot of the man standing on the platform in the trailer, who is also so obviously the same man in the wheelchair and being protected by the men with guns.
Quote from: Spider-pope on Dec 23, 2011, 11:30:18 AMEverything so far points to the film focusing on human origins and the Space Jockeys role in them, not the origins of the Alien - a creature Ridley Scott has repeatedly said has been overused and ruined.
The alien is the cornerstone of any film set in the Alien universe. Everything that happens in that universe hinges on that particular monster. Every person that sees this movie and has even the slightest inkling of its genesis will want to see how it fits in. Prometheus cannot make the statement that the alien is unimportant.
-Chris
As a lifelong fan, I already see how the alien is but a footnote in an otherwise gigantic universe. If you think those bitches are bad, wait till you see where they came from. Shits about to get real.
Quote from: EarthAngel on Dec 23, 2011, 11:56:31 AM
If you think those bitches are bad, wait till you see where they came from. Shits about to get real.
So this bald guy is Vin Diesel?
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 11:50:39 AM
Quote from: Spider-pope on Dec 23, 2011, 11:30:18 AMEverything so far points to the film focusing on human origins and the Space Jockeys role in them, not the origins of the Alien - a creature Ridley Scott has repeatedly said has been overused and ruined.
The alien is the cornerstone of any film set in the Alien universe. Everything that happens in that universe hinges on that particular monster. Every person that sees this movie and has even the slightest inkling of its genesis will want to see how it fits in. Prometheus cannot make the statement that the alien is unimportant.
-Chris
I think thats exactly what Prometheus is going to do though.
Prometheus looks to be taking a small piece of the first Alien film and running with it, expanding it into the focus and be all end all of this setting.
Everything we have seen of this universe thus far has indeed revolved around the Xenomorph, but that doesnt make it the single most important thing in this particular fictional universe
If Xenomorphs have any future role to play, it'll be as a way of underscoring just how powerful and important the Space Jockies are, thereby diminishing their own importance.
The bald guy is a member of the crew, who have stolen fire from the gods. Do the math man.
Quote from: EarthAngel on Dec 23, 2011, 12:03:53 PM
The bald guy is a member of the crew, who have stolen fire from the gods. Do the math man.
That'd be my guess too. They get to Scary Planet, wander around, find technology that they can't use because their biology is incompatible. Then faster than you can say Rodney McKay getting Gene Therapy, they'll use that green thing to make a human more Jockier and pinch something. Then the Big Giant Head wakes up, gets pissed and cue the explosions and death.
Quote from: EarthAngel on Dec 23, 2011, 12:03:53 PM
The bald guy is a member of the crew, who have stolen fire from the gods. Do the math man.
It is possible, and if not, I think It still be an awesome movie. And the truth is, why would someone like Scott reveal Jockey so soon, some 6 months before release.
Quote from: EarthAngel on Dec 23, 2011, 11:50:03 AMI'm watching Alien right now and the differences in size are far from negligable.
Just looked bigger in the original film. The set built for Prometheus honors the size of the original (the yellow lines are of the same length):
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The Prometheus chair is not fully raised, and the people in the Alien shot are children.
-Chris
Quote from: Spider-pope on Dec 23, 2011, 12:08:50 PM
Quote from: EarthAngel on Dec 23, 2011, 12:03:53 PM
The bald guy is a member of the crew, who have stolen fire from the gods. Do the math man.
That'd be my guess too. They get to Scary Planet, wander around, find technology that they can't use because their biology is incompatible. Then faster than you can say Rodney McKay getting Gene Therapy, they'll use that green thing to make a human more Jockier and pinch something. Then the Big Giant Head wakes up, gets pissed and cue the explosions and death.
Hey that's like how xenos mate with things from other planets and presto, babies.
Quote from: EarthAngel on Dec 23, 2011, 12:03:53 PM
The bald guy is a member of the crew, who have stolen fire from the gods. Do the math man.
So...he is Vin Diesel, right?
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 12:10:48 PM
Quote from: EarthAngel on Dec 23, 2011, 11:50:03 AMI'm watching Alien right now and the differences in size are far from negligable.
Just looked bigger in the original film. The set built for Prometheus honors the size of the original (the yellow lines are of the same length):
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/jockeysize2.jpg
The Prometheus chair is not fully raised, and the people in the Alien shot are children.
-Chris
In Alien the people was children, because The chair needs to look bigger as it was. So the jockeys MUST be bigger than human
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 23, 2011, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: EarthAngel on Dec 23, 2011, 12:03:53 PM
The bald guy is a member of the crew, who have stolen fire from the gods. Do the math man.
So...he is Vin Diesel, right?
... Well yeah.
I really hope the Jock is not the bald dude cause that really kills the world of Alien if something isnt Alien. And it's just a forehead alien from Trek.
Quote from: Gash on Dec 22, 2011, 08:16:47 PM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 08:09:20 PM
Now this nullifies 70% of the EU that features this creature.
They're controlling the European Union too? That explains a lot.
jajajajaajaja Im having trouble understanding what EU stands for too....
Quote from: EarthAngel on Dec 23, 2011, 12:22:48 PM
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 23, 2011, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: EarthAngel on Dec 23, 2011, 12:03:53 PM
The bald guy is a member of the crew, who have stolen fire from the gods. Do the math man.
So...he is Vin Diesel, right?
... Well yeah.
Hell yes baby, i knew it...this gonna be The Fasts & Furious in space! :laugh:
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 22, 2011, 08:23:25 PM
Quote from: YOU DO MUTILATE? on Dec 22, 2011, 08:22:14 PM
i don't see why people are still talking about biomechanics. they're simply not there in any of the press stuff we've seen
It was stated in the Comic Con footage description: "There will be biomechanoids."
Nothing scapes to JaaayDee.
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 22, 2011, 08:42:18 PM
He's also in the wheelchair:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_20111222_teasertrailer28.jpg)
And behind the armed men:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_20111222_teasertrailer23.jpg)
looks like he has to crouch in order to get in because he is so tall maybe?
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Dec 23, 2011, 12:28:36 PM
Quote from: Gash on Dec 22, 2011, 08:16:47 PM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 22, 2011, 08:09:20 PM
Now this nullifies 70% of the EU that features this creature.
They're controlling the European Union too? That explains a lot.
jajajajaajaja Im having trouble understanding what EU stands for too....
Expanded Universe ;)
Well i resized both images and put one on the top of another, angle of the platform and perspective of both images arent the same but close enough.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fphoto%2Fmy-images%2F42%2Fsizecomparep.jpg%2F&hash=8ff5569993b577a490302a428fd8d09f93e55d4e)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/)
Quote from: Bigticket on Dec 23, 2011, 12:38:31 PM
Well i resized both images and put one on the top of another, angle of the platform and perspective of both images arent the same but close enough.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/
Nice work. The 'star map' shot is form further away. Gonna look at this for scale as well. Thanks.
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 12:44:16 PM
Quote from: Bigticket on Dec 23, 2011, 12:38:31 PM
Well i resized both images and put one on the top of another, angle of the platform and perspective of both images arent the same but close enough.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/
Nice work. The 'star map' shot is form further away. Gonna look at this for scale as well. Thanks.
-Chris
ye its is, but the perspective isnt the same, so i was tryin to fit the scale by matching the size of these big "engine tubes" on the platform.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 22, 2011, 09:55:31 PM
I'll just expand on what I said here (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=41280.msg1247998#msg1247998).
As said there, I might come straight as a whiny fanboy or someone along the lines thereof, but I will just state my thoughts on the matter. If what we are seeing in that screenshot is, indeed, one of the famed 'Space Jockeys', I am disappointed by this aspect of the film. Such a thing is, of course, an assumption, as that
I'll be honest in saying the suit aspect, since when it was just 'whispered', never convinced me... bar any comparison you want with Independence Day... that wasn't the first thing that popped in my mind. What holds that place is the thought of those ribs... those bent-out ribs, they were just part of a suit? That head we get a dramatic and eerie close-up of, with its empty and dead-for-aeons orbital holes... was not a head? Yeah... didn't excite me in the slightest when Scott confirmed it in an interview - quite the opposite in fact, but I could see why such a choice would be made, as it would allow for more artistic liberties to be taken, instead of being chained to what's already set up. From this point I was hoping either for something 'close but not the same as' this 'suit', or something fresh and not disappointing. At this point, the design possibilities were virtually endless - they could've brought up the worst pages of the Necronomicon to life, the ones that looked more alien, more otherwordly: the great beast with its writhing, tentacled head, that biomechanical dragon-thing ('Alien IV' to get specific), or what have you. Instead, what we actually get is a bald giant with biomechanical qualities... ohhh, that's great, with all the flying great f**k they could've come up with, that's what we get. The much-famed Space Jockey, the thing we've all been waiting to see alive and kicking onscreen, is a giant bald man. How unquestionably great.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"... I've never really realized how true this statement could be hahaha.
All of this, of course, in-keeping that Mr. Giger-Diesel up here being indeed the Jockey is nothing less or more than an assumption, since for all we know, that thing could be anything.
Agree. I want the SJ to be the SJ.
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 23, 2011, 12:13:57 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 12:10:48 PM
Quote from: EarthAngel on Dec 23, 2011, 11:50:03 AMI'm watching Alien right now and the differences in size are far from negligable.
Just looked bigger in the original film. The set built for Prometheus honors the size of the original (the yellow lines are of the same length):
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee395/ChrisPachi/jockeysize2.jpg
The Prometheus chair is not fully raised, and the people in the Alien shot are children.
-Chris
In Alien the people was children, because The chair needs to look bigger as it was. So the jockeys MUST be bigger than human
The Jockey looks smaller in the shot of Dallas etc getting closer. It looks its biggest in the children stand-in shots.
Its obviously the jockey to me, he's getting ready to take off probably right before the ship gets shot down. Imo it looks terrible, Scott has really messed up this part of the film and destroyed the wonder of ALIEN. It also looks like that guy was right who said the huge head was a bust of the space jockeys head, they look identical to me.
I don't care what anyone says, the jockey in ALIEN was obviously a skeleton with bones, it was not a freaking suit. I blame Linderof for this, he's a complete dumbass. ::)
Quote from: Bigticket on Dec 23, 2011, 12:38:31 PM
Well i resized both images and put one on the top of another, angle of the platform and perspective of both images arent the same but close enough.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/)
Jockeys are quite at the same size as Predators, according to this picture.
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 23, 2011, 02:55:59 PM
Quote from: Bigticket on Dec 23, 2011, 12:38:31 PM
Well i resized both images and put one on the top of another, angle of the platform and perspective of both images arent the same but close enough.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/)
Jockeys are quite at the same size as Predators, according to this picture.
The proportions are wrong.
According to the trailer when he's in the wheelchair he's human size.
Quote from: Mastes1 on Dec 23, 2011, 02:52:13 PM
Its obviously the jockey to me, he's getting ready to take off probably right before the ship gets shot down. Imo it looks terrible, Scott has really messed up this part of the film and destroyed the wonder of ALIEN. It also looks like that guy was right who said the huge head was a bust of the space jockeys head, they look identical to me.
I don't care what anyone says, the jockey in ALIEN was obviously a skeleton with bones, it was not a freaking suit. I blame Linderof for this, he's a complete dumbass. ::)
i wouldn't blame lindelof for it, as far as i know scott had the suit idea years ago, not long after alien.
lindelof was basically there just to add some drama to the script rather than have anything to do with those sort of ideas and just did what he was told.
thanks
rich
Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 23, 2011, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 23, 2011, 02:55:59 PM
Quote from: Bigticket on Dec 23, 2011, 12:38:31 PM
Well i resized both images and put one on the top of another, angle of the platform and perspective of both images arent the same but close enough.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/)
Jockeys are quite at the same size as Predators, according to this picture.
The proportions are wrong.
According to the trailer when he's in the wheelchair he's human size.
And if it's not the man in the wheelchair and it is really a Jockey?
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 23, 2011, 02:59:57 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 23, 2011, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 23, 2011, 02:55:59 PM
Quote from: Bigticket on Dec 23, 2011, 12:38:31 PM
Well i resized both images and put one on the top of another, angle of the platform and perspective of both images arent the same but close enough.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/)
Jockeys are quite at the same size as Predators, according to this picture.
The proportions are wrong.
According to the trailer when he's in the wheelchair he's human size.
And if it's not the man in the wheelchair and it is really a Jockey?
And if Hitler would have won World War II? :D
Well we can speculate and add some if there and there.
But you don't need usually much to link elements.
Ridley Scott: The SJ is a suit.
Trailer show people arriving on an unknown planet, find something and there are several Alien (with human look).
Guess who is the SJ?
Spoiler
The Bacteria you can't see without a zoom.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 23, 2011, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 23, 2011, 09:45:58 AMits odd becausealthough im slightly disappointed that this guy might be the sj and smaller than original scale, im still intrigued by the possibilities and i still like the look of his design.
I like the design as well. At the risk of flogging a dead horse, I'm still not sold on the size issue:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1225.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fee395%2FChrisPachi%2Fjockeysize-1.jpg&hash=e87cfbe33fbd75bc1437ed983f8bc926e0a856a4)
Looks right to me? And yes the lines are parallel.
-Chris
You know with the whole scale of the Jockey engineer being large in size, it goes with the myth that the bible and other religions, in how they talk about there being, giants in the land in the olden days.
Good to see Seth from SSIV is in this.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 23, 2011, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 23, 2011, 02:55:59 PM
Quote from: Bigticket on Dec 23, 2011, 12:38:31 PM
Well i resized both images and put one on the top of another, angle of the platform and perspective of both images arent the same but close enough.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/)
Jockeys are quite at the same size as Predators, according to this picture.
The proportions are wrong.
According to the trailer when he's in the wheelchair he's human size.
just because there is a bold man in a wheelchair doeasnt mean its the same guy from the shot with space jockey chair. Are you blind or somethin ? guy in the wheelchair is nothing like the tall humanoid standing next to the pilot chair , the only connection is lack of hair , and thats lame connection.
Quote from: Bigticket on Dec 23, 2011, 03:50:36 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 23, 2011, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 23, 2011, 02:55:59 PM
Quote from: Bigticket on Dec 23, 2011, 12:38:31 PM
Well i resized both images and put one on the top of another, angle of the platform and perspective of both images arent the same but close enough.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/sizecomparep.jpg/)
Jockeys are quite at the same size as Predators, according to this picture.
The proportions are wrong.
According to the trailer when he's in the wheelchair he's human size.
just because there is a bold man in a wheelchair doeasnt mean its the same guy from the shot with space jockey chair. Are you blind or somethin ? guy in the wheelchair is nothing like the tall humanoid standing next to the pilot chair , the only connection is lack of hair , and thats lame connection.
these speculations are getting nowhere...hey people, it's christmas, calm down...
What I do find interesting is, if indeed this bald and pointy featured chap is the space jockey, his/her design has been around all along via some of the original drawings/paintings HR Giger did for Alien.
Quote from: BioMechanical on Dec 23, 2011, 03:12:42 PM
You know with the whole scale of the Jockey engineer being large in size, it goes with the myth that the bible and other religions, in how they talk about there being, giants in the land in the olden days.
i was going to mention this before also. Some people think they were called the nephilim.
"The Nephilim (plural) are the offspring of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" in Genesis 6:4, or giants who inhabit Canaan in Numbers 13:33. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim)
Not sure if this has any merit, but someone from another site posted this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefanboyseo.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F04%2FJockeySize.jpg&hash=db0f15c4db6e6a49f7dfb0eb1e9d6524be7204b0)
I hope the "bald man" is NOT the SJ and we see a proper appearance of a SJ.
I still remember the old Dark Horse Comics explanation/backstory for the SJ:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa298%2Foriginaldrdoom%2Fsj2.jpg&hash=f281252f783de570a086620c146e519db6344ac6)
It was interesting to see how DH portrayed the SJ in action:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa298%2Foriginaldrdoom%2Fsj1.jpg&hash=1f296e085b529bc9c58fa12187f1ec8de638caaa)
Man, that was a long time ago...
Quote from: Darth Vile on Dec 23, 2011, 04:12:34 PM
What I do find interesting is, if indeed this bald and pointy featured chap is the space jockey, his/her design has been around all along via some of the original drawings/paintings HR Giger did for Alien.
can you post some of those pics, not sure what ones you meant.
If it's true it looks like he is including a lot of the original ideas for Alien that they couldn't/didn't use such as the amples, pyramid, murals, mythology etc..
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Dec 23, 2011, 09:42:45 AM
So he will wear a red shirt like in Star Trek? Damn you, Lindelof...he will do it again!
Edit: Since this is the "official SJ thread" i will drop this one here as well:
http://666kb.com/i/bzr5kd0quxp9yq4w8.png
I still think this Phil Colins look alike is a separate beasty. The eye sockets on the helmet wouldn't line up.
My guess is he's a f**ked up crew member, or the Engineer. Point being the Engineer is not the SJ.
Yeah I thought about the Nephalim before. Pretty sure they helped build the pyramids according to ancient astronaut theorists.
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 23, 2011, 04:37:55 PM
Yeah I thought about the Nephalim before. Pretty sure they helped build the pyramids according to ancient astronaut theorists.
It's really interesting in that not much is known about them or the purpose, just brief details and mentions. It gets the brain going anyway....!
So many theories, so much time.
I think a "grand idea" would be the evolved humans theory. I like it personally.
It's not just ideas, its execution.
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 23, 2011, 05:08:28 PM
So many theories, so much time.
I think a "grand idea" would be the evolved humans theory. I like it personally.
It's not just ideas, its execution.
It can be, and we, humans living on earth are their retarded little brothers :)
:D
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6560171003/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36021219@N06/6560171003/#)
Honestly, though I'd prefer a weird alien creature, the sight of that strange biomech humanoid thing in that geiger room is creepy in and of itself.
Quote from: originaldrdoom on Dec 23, 2011, 04:25:57 PM
Not sure if this has any merit, but someone from another site posted this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefanboyseo.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F04%2FJockeySize.jpg&hash=db0f15c4db6e6a49f7dfb0eb1e9d6524be7204b0)
I hope the "bald man" is NOT the SJ and we see a proper appearance of a SJ.
I still remember the old Dark Horse Comics explanation/backstory for the SJ:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa298%2Foriginaldrdoom%2Fsj2.jpg&hash=f281252f783de570a086620c146e519db6344ac6)
It was interesting to see how DH portrayed the SJ in action:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/originaldrdoom/sj1.jpg
Man, that was a long time ago...
So the Elephantman design?
Quote from: The Hyena on Dec 23, 2011, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: originaldrdoom on Dec 23, 2011, 04:25:57 PM
Not sure if this has any merit, but someone from another site posted this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefanboyseo.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F04%2FJockeySize.jpg&hash=db0f15c4db6e6a49f7dfb0eb1e9d6524be7204b0)
I hope the "bald man" is NOT the SJ and we see a proper appearance of a SJ.
I still remember the old Dark Horse Comics explanation/backstory for the SJ:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa298%2Foriginaldrdoom%2Fsj2.jpg&hash=f281252f783de570a086620c146e519db6344ac6)
It was interesting to see how DH portrayed the SJ in action:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/originaldrdoom/sj1.jpg
Man, that was a long time ago...
So the Elephantman design?
Now it is all wiped out by Prometheus. It's a funny situation that makes from all of these comic books a nonsense.
There was a pretty interesting thread on IMDb (amazing I know) regarding the look of the space jockey.
The readers digest version is that somehow the humans set off a chain of events where biological and technological material begins to combine. So the guy in the space jockey chair room is actually a member of the crew you has become biomechanical with his space suite. This chain of events is happening all over the ship. Urns/Ampules (mechanical) will eventually mutate into eggs (more biological). One of the big compaints of the jockey chair set is that it looks too mechanical compared to the original ALIEN film. In the posters theory the ship is undergoing a mutation into more biological. This also explains why the jockey appeared merged with the chair.
Interesting theory in general and would have made a good plotline IMO.
Quote from: psychonaut25 on Dec 23, 2011, 06:35:31 PM
Quote from: The Hyena on Dec 23, 2011, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: originaldrdoom on Dec 23, 2011, 04:25:57 PM
Not sure if this has any merit, but someone from another site posted this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefanboyseo.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F04%2FJockeySize.jpg&hash=db0f15c4db6e6a49f7dfb0eb1e9d6524be7204b0)
I hope the "bald man" is NOT the SJ and we see a proper appearance of a SJ.
I still remember the old Dark Horse Comics explanation/backstory for the SJ:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa298%2Foriginaldrdoom%2Fsj2.jpg&hash=f281252f783de570a086620c146e519db6344ac6)
It was interesting to see how DH portrayed the SJ in action:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/originaldrdoom/sj1.jpg
Man, that was a long time ago...
So the Elephantman design?
Now it is all wiped out by Prometheus. It's a funny situation that makes from all of these comic books a nonsense.
The space jockey alien books were my favourite, but it was so clear that with each one of them, they had absolutely no idea how to portray the creature.
Quote from: Mustangjeff on Dec 23, 2011, 06:36:19 PM
There was a pretty interesting thread on IMDb (amazing I know) regarding the look of the space jockey.
The readers digest version is that somehow the humans set off a chain of events where biological and technological material begins to combine. So the guy in the space jockey chair room is actually a member of the crew you has become biomechanical with his space suite. This chain of events is happening all over the ship. Urns/Ampules (mechanical) will eventually mutate into eggs (more biological). One of the big compaints of the jockey chair set is that it looks too mechanical compared to the original ALIEN film. In the posters theory the ship is undergoing a mutation into more biological. This also explains why the jockey appeared merged with the chair.
Interesting theory in general and would have made a good plotline IMO.
It sounds retarded....And what is the Alien itself? Mutated Noomi?
After many years of mystery finally we´ve had the answer...
The Space Jockey is Riddick!!!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg268.imageshack.us%2Fimg268%2F9655%2F250pxrichardbriddick.jpg&hash=b3d459da8406cee769084cf4c337c3a2cb8611ff) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/250pxrichardbriddick.jpg/)
Now...seriously:
Anything is better than that SILLY elephant jockey!
Quote from: EarthAngel on Dec 23, 2011, 04:11:04 AM
I don't think that guy is a Jockey at all. I think he's a human altered with their tech, the purpose of the mission in general. The chair/telescope in the original was massive, and you can clearly see him being protected by the men with guns in the trailer. Not to mention the examined helmet is so small... I believe it to be a recreation made to fit that man, who is also seen in the wheelchair. This also goes along with the mythology behind the title, 'Prometheus'. I'd say he was a 'Reverse Engineer'.
I'm tempted to agreed with you - I think the goo possibly creates mutants assistants to the actual jockey. As I mentioned before - I think this humanoid could be more of an "Igor" than "Frankenstein" 8)
Quote from: Dirty Harry on Dec 23, 2011, 07:34:10 PM
After many years of mystery finally we´ve had the answer...
The Space Jockey is Riddick!!!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg268.imageshack.us%2Fimg268%2F9655%2F250pxrichardbriddick.jpg&hash=b3d459da8406cee769084cf4c337c3a2cb8611ff) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/250pxrichardbriddick.jpg/)
Now...seriously:
Anything is better than that SILLY elephant jockey!
David Twohy did do a draft of the Alien 3 script...
Those Dark horse comics never could have the space jockey in a main design.
Destroying Angels.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages3.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20100325224413%2Favp%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2Fd%2Fd1%2FMala%2527kak.jpg%2F539px-Mala%2527kak.jpg&hash=376c4c7ed576d55af09ed475f29be1597a17707e)
Aliens Outbreak.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.serenadawn.com%2FAlien-Jockey4.JPG&hash=468e6d8604142ce71c67593e2ec38c421ca43cb9)
Not sure what comic this was from.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F28.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_l5oa8gseeT1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg&hash=a5be53b974cb4055bd3c24522e687d41e25c502e)
In the comics Space Jockeys always have differant shapes and body size.
These comics tried to expand the Space Jockey part in the Aliens universe based on only one thing - a carcass. That's not bad at all. A job well done but since Prometheus is coming out and is being made by the people who made the original elements, I'm sure future comics would be based on the new Jockeys.
But again, we don't have sufficient information. The Jockeys have not made an official appearance yet.
Destroying angel is best Alien comic in my opinion. Love the Jockey and Jockey Alien in this one!
It's probably for the best if they eliminate the dick nose look.
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 23, 2011, 08:50:43 PM
It's probably for the best if they eliminate the dick nose look.
Yeah? That`s so great? Changing original design into generic one is the best? Alien without dick head is no alien. Think about it.
I've always been a fan of this one.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages3.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20100325224413%2Favp%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2Fd%2Fd1%2FMala%2527kak.jpg%2F539px-Mala%2527kak.jpg&hash=376c4c7ed576d55af09ed475f29be1597a17707e)
Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 08:53:17 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 23, 2011, 08:50:43 PM
It's probably for the best if they eliminate the dick nose look.
Alien without dick head is no alien.
Let's not bring Cameron back into this. ;D
Quote from: mastermoon on Dec 23, 2011, 08:18:00 PM
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100325224413/avp/images/thumb/d/d1/Mala%27kak.jpg/539px-Mala%27kak.jpg
http://www.serenadawn.com/Alien-Jockey4.JPG
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5oa8gseeT1qa1o5zo1_500.jpg
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg26.imageshack.us%2Fimg26%2F364%2Fvomitorosa.th.jpg&hash=7c372024f133b5571f74effceb8b68dbe71cf23b) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/26/vomitorosa.jpg/)
There's a difference between Giger - psycho sexual dick headed Xenos, vagina walls etc.
But the dick nose is just too unsubtle and might just be a touch too humorous for cinema goers.
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 23, 2011, 09:21:27 PM
There's a difference between Giger - psycho sexual dick headed Xenos, vagina walls etc.
But the dick nose is just too unsubtle and might just be a touch too humorous for cinema goers.
So we should kill all elephants. They`ve got go dick nose too.
Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 09:24:40 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 23, 2011, 09:21:27 PM
There's a difference between Giger - psycho sexual dick headed Xenos, vagina walls etc.
But the dick nose is just too unsubtle and might just be a touch too humorous for cinema goers.
So we should kill all elephants. They`ve got go dick nose too.
and all types of ant eater.
thanks
rich
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 23, 2011, 09:29:26 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 09:24:40 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 23, 2011, 09:21:27 PM
There's a difference between Giger - psycho sexual dick headed Xenos, vagina walls etc.
But the dick nose is just too unsubtle and might just be a touch too humorous for cinema goers.
So we should kill all elephants. They`ve got go dick nose too.
and all types of ant eater.
thanks
rich
..and Bob Dylan.
I didn't read this entire thread and I'm sure it has been mentioned. No one here has any information on the plot of this movie. ZERO. Scott said the Jockey is a suit, he might be trying to derail speculation. Saying that this is the Space Jockey may be as accurate as saying Luke Skywalker is the space Jockey. I know its fun to speculate, but to all the people getting upset at shit and writing the movie off..... Get a grip man (Depp fear and loathing voice)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_iEO3-JNxmtg%2FTVGWPGrX87I%2FAAAAAAAAAFI%2FUSo5MWcwno4%2Fs1600%2Ffear-and-loathing.jpg&hash=ad4ac16bde73cce16b8131c5c56f0d93cdbcf0eb)
Yeah but the Jockey is a bit too penisey. C'mon it's Giger afterall.
I think it's a shame in this day and age that everything has to be revealed or analysed to death.I'm all for evolving and moving on,but I think in this particular case the Space Jockey should have just been left alone as an enigma. It has done since Alien.
I'm sure Sir Ridley will do a stunning job with Prometheus, but it's a shame to now reveal something that until now kept everyone guessing. If I'm correct,even Sir Ridley was a bit stumped to what the Space Jockey actually was or represented.
The film looks amazing,even from the early trailers,but to me even now the secret has been revealed,here's sometimes to discretion,mystery and not having to know everything.
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 23, 2011, 09:42:40 PM
Yeah but the Jockey is a bit too penisey. C'mon it's Giger afterall.
Dick joke dick joke dick joke dick joke dick joke......................................... PENIS.
Well...as i said before:
Human: Small ordinary Xenomorph
Space Jockey: Big ordinary Xenomorph
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg714.imageshack.us%2Fimg714%2F7189%2F090818bocejo.jpg&hash=987f59b7078a5a281ed33586c33a36f07b74e4e0) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/714/090818bocejo.jpg/)
::)
Except the Jockey xenomorph will have a double dick face, two dicks like a great white shark.
Great white shark xenomorph, three dicks.
Ok thats it, thats it, final dick joke.
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 23, 2011, 10:20:22 PM
Except the Jockey xenomorph will have a double dick face, two dicks like a great white shark.
Great white shark xenomorph, three dicks.
Ok thats it, thats it, final dick joke.
Dicks ??? I'm not on youporn ???
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 23, 2011, 08:54:32 PM
I've always been a fan of this one.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100325224413/avp/images/thumb/d/d1/Mala%27kak.jpg/539px-Mala%27kak.jpg
I agree, I've always liked that design as well.
And the comic it is from, is the creme of the expanded universe. For so much idiocy going on there - you can find pearls like
Destroying Angels. Love it all.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 23, 2011, 10:30:37 PM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 23, 2011, 08:54:32 PM
I've always been a fan of this one.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100325224413/avp/images/thumb/d/d1/Mala%27kak.jpg/539px-Mala%27kak.jpg
I agree, I've always liked that design as well.
And the comic it is from, is the creme of the expanded universe. For so much idiocy going on there - you can find pearls like Destroying Angels. Love it all.
As I said earlier (or in different thread) it`s my favorite Alien comic. Both Jockey and Jockey Alien in this one look great.
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 22, 2011, 07:56:15 PM
The Space Jockey (or Engineer) well be a humanoid! Let the impending rage begin!
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g471/muromachi/prometheus-giant.jpg
He looks like Clemens from Alien3.
Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 10:34:42 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 23, 2011, 10:30:37 PM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 23, 2011, 08:54:32 PM
I've always been a fan of this one.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100325224413/avp/images/thumb/d/d1/Mala%27kak.jpg/539px-Mala%27kak.jpg
I agree, I've always liked that design as well.
And the comic it is from, is the creme of the expanded universe. For so much idiocy going on there - you can find pearls like Destroying Angels. Love it all.
As I said earlier (or in different thread) it`s my favorite Alien comic. Both Jockey and Jockey Alien in this one look great.
Absolutely.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff291%2Fsabres21768%2Fother8%2Fjokey_xeno.jpg&hash=f351cb004ceff90a4bd6c2e3fa851da28c8e2d73)
From the still, he looks the absolute spit of this guy:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg824.imageshack.us%2Fimg824%2F1737%2Fseth1.jpg&hash=b44acb001c237ae1bba66aa54d7d07e716c9d9a1)
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 23, 2011, 10:45:40 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 23, 2011, 10:34:42 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 23, 2011, 10:30:37 PM
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 23, 2011, 08:54:32 PM
I've always been a fan of this one.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100325224413/avp/images/thumb/d/d1/Mala%27kak.jpg/539px-Mala%27kak.jpg
I agree, I've always liked that design as well.
And the comic it is from, is the creme of the expanded universe. For so much idiocy going on there - you can find pearls like Destroying Angels. Love it all.
As I said earlier (or in different thread) it`s my favorite Alien comic. Both Jockey and Jockey Alien in this one look great.
Absolutely.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff291%2Fsabres21768%2Fother8%2Fjokey_xeno.jpg&hash=f351cb004ceff90a4bd6c2e3fa851da28c8e2d73)
What is this comic called ? I've red all the avp and predator comics but no alien comics yet :-[
Its title is Aliens: Apocalypse: The Destroying Angels; don't let the title mislead you, by the way. :laugh:
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 23, 2011, 11:00:28 PM
Its title is Aliens: Apocalypse: The Destroying Angels; don't let the title mislead you, by the way. :laugh:
Thanks Omega ^^
A good while ago people were saying that the plot of Fallen Angels could very much seem like the basis for some of Prometheus. It has a while idea of division between people who worship the Jockey's like gods and those who don't.
It's ok, thought it was a bit short.
Quote from: JaaayDee on Dec 22, 2011, 07:56:15 PM
The Space Jockey (or Engineer) well be a humanoid! Let the impending rage begin!
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g471/muromachi/prometheus-giant.jpg
What if this guy is just an early version of the Hyperdyne Systems 120-A/2?
Maybe a Hyperdyne Systems 075-A/1? ;D
Quote from: tmjhur on Dec 23, 2011, 11:10:52 PM
A good while ago people were saying that the plot of Fallen Angels could very much seem like the basis for some of Prometheus. It has a while idea of division between people who worship the Jockey's like gods and those who don't.
It's ok, thought it was a bit short.
It`s one of those stories that fits canon without question.
Am I the only one who doesn't mind that the SJ looks like a human. I actually yhink it's pretty cool.
Quote from: Blacklabel on Dec 23, 2011, 04:49:11 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 23, 2011, 04:22:30 AM
I genuinely found nothing in 'Alien Resurrection' which, in any way, scared or disturbed me.
Not even the "Number 8 finds the other clones" bit? There was 0 buildup to that scene.. but i still found it effective.. one of the most memorable things of the movie, for sure.
Memorable, yes. Scary or disturbing? No. Not in the slightest.
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Dec 23, 2011, 07:18:14 AM
are you guys forgetting the greatest warewolf movie ever?
No. Entertaining film, but not something which really conveyed the concept of the werewolf, itself, how it should do, to me - to each their own. :)
Quote from: EarthAngel on Dec 23, 2011, 11:56:31 AM
As a lifelong fan, I already see how the alien is but a footnote in an otherwise gigantic universe. If you think those bitches are bad, wait till you see where they came from. Shits about to get real.
The Aliens were always implied to only be a part of the mythos. One of teh novels or comics had a character speculating that, on whichever world they originated from, perhaps the Aliens were like the mice of their ecosystem, which always struck me as very profound.
But... When it comes to a film and trying to
replace that design? It's a gamble! What if the replacement turns out to be awful?
Just look at the recent Dalek redesigns on '
Doctor Who'. All the production team apparently thought they were fantastic, but most of fandom (myself included) thought they were a pale imitation of what made the originals so great. They felt horridly cheapened.
So, let's remain healthily sceptical. :)
Quote from: Highland on Dec 23, 2011, 04:30:40 PM
The eye sockets on the helmet wouldn't line up.
This is my issue with it. It doesn't look authentic. It looks different to the original prop.
It was rumored that Prometheus is going to deal with the 'gods' making humans in their own image. We're all different in size color etc. It's just random.
If the Space Jockey's are those 'gods' that were speculated on then who says that they all have to be exactly the same physically.
Maybe what we see in the movie is just a smaller Space Jockey. Then again we just may not have our size scale correct yet.
Could it be possible that machines created man... and thus man making machines(david) would shock their machine creators. Maybe in this universe the machine came first then biological life. :P
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 24, 2011, 07:20:36 AM
Could it be possible that machines created man... and thus man making machines(david) would shock their machine creators. Maybe in this universe the machine came first then biological life. :P
That wouldn't make logical sense... Machines are constructed from components which require manufacturing before they can exist. :)
Biological entities could be seen as 'machines', in their own right, it's true. But not of the more familiar synthetic variety.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 24, 2011, 07:22:52 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 24, 2011, 07:20:36 AM
Could it be possible that machines created man... and thus man making machines(david) would shock their machine creators. Maybe in this universe the machine came first then biological life. :P
That wouldn't make logical sense... Machines are constructed from components which require manufacturing before they can exist. :)
Biological entities could be seen as 'machines', in their own right, it's true. But not of the more familiar synthetic variety.
Yea but that's only because it doesn't make sense to us. :P
That would be a twist though. Everything we thought we knew about life was wrong. No matter how wrong it seems through a biological eye. :)
Did anyone else see that bald dude in the jockey room moving a lever? ???
Quote from: HMRUBICON on Dec 24, 2011, 11:32:41 AM
Did anyone else see that bald dude in the jockey room moving a lever? ???
Yes - most of us here I think...
Quote from: Darth Vile on Dec 24, 2011, 11:43:14 AM
Quote from: HMRUBICON on Dec 24, 2011, 11:32:41 AM
Did anyone else see that bald dude in the jockey room moving a lever? ???
Yes - most of us here I think...
Checkout the HD trailer, he's more so just turning around. No lever.
Quote from: Darth Vile on Dec 24, 2011, 11:43:14 AM
Quote from: HMRUBICON on Dec 24, 2011, 11:32:41 AM
Did anyone else see that bald dude in the jockey room moving a lever? ???
Yes - most of us here I think...
I don't think so. No lever.
I don't have my glasses on but the bald guys looks somehwhat translucent. Or is it just me?
Quote from: HMRUBICON on Dec 24, 2011, 11:32:41 AM
Did anyone else see that bald dude in the jockey room moving a lever? ???
The guy is just turning around.
Just occurred to me what he reminds me of.
A biomechanoid version of the Tyrant from the Resident Evil games.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 24, 2011, 01:14:57 PM
Just occurred to me what he reminds me of.
A biomechanoid version of the Tyrant from the Resident Evil games.
He looks more like Dr.Manhattan
Still thinking he looks more like Seth. Who was based off of Gill who were all quite possibly based off of Doctor Manhattan.
You know, there was a guy a while ago who said he had a friend working on the film and that the space jockey's looked like doctor manhattan. I think he posted on alienprequelnews and maybe here as well. Nobody believed him. Maybe it's worth digging out his post if you want more potential info.
Maybe the Saucer over the waterfalls is a different race of beings, who seed life among the galaxy and the SJ are malevolent beings who created xenos and such to destroy their work? Afterall, the facehugger design seems to me, customized for humans or bipedal humanoids... just a thought!
i think the reason the space jockey room looks different is because the aliens havent cocooned it yet.
the ship in the first one looked like it was almost entirely cocooned. i think the space jockey might have been cocooned and fossilized to the chair. that would explain it being attached.
i dont think that thing is a space jockey. i think it's meant to generate interest and be a bit of a bait for viral marketing.
as far as the humanoid in the photograph and alot of other imagery i think that this film will probably take a route of how humans were genetically altered from alien dna and the A L I E N dna was somehow mixed with human dna for some as of yet unknown reason.
the thing in the picture is probably one of the hybrids.
another aspect of the film i havent seen commented on is how artificial humans will be percieved by the space jockey space. it seems their technology is techno-organic yet as far as we know there are no androids.
you might note that ash admired the creature greatly and emulated the facehugger's proboscis with the rolled up magazine. [which was a pornographic magazine to further emphasize its sexual themes. haha]
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 24, 2011, 08:01:47 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 24, 2011, 07:22:52 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 24, 2011, 07:20:36 AM
Could it be possible that machines created man... and thus man making machines(david) would shock their machine creators. Maybe in this universe the machine came first then biological life. :P
That wouldn't make logical sense... Machines are constructed from components which require manufacturing before they can exist. :)
Biological entities could be seen as 'machines', in their own right, it's true. But not of the more familiar synthetic variety.
Yea but that's only because it doesn't make sense to us. :P
That would be a twist though. Everything we thought we knew about life was wrong. No matter how wrong it seems through a biological eye. :)
And where would those components, like microchips, come from without being manufactured in advance?
I apologize in advance if this has been discussed. This thread is getting pretty large :)
There was an image from the leaked comic con footage showing a control panel and a hand. So is this hand from our man? I think initially there was some debate on it being a member of the crew, but I don't think so. That hand looks very biomechanical in the comic con shot, and the image of our possible jockey has pretty flesh arms/hands still. So either he hasn't finished developing in the jockey room shot, or that hand is from something else.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/comicon20.jpg)
I wonder if this is the same control panel as shown in this image.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_20111221_firstlook3-08.jpg)
Heh, can't get these image to post at a decent size
Quote from: Mustangjeff on Dec 25, 2011, 05:11:53 AMThere was an image from the leaked comic con footage showing a control panel and a hand. So is this hand from our man? I think initially there was some debate on it being a member of the crew, but I don't think so. That hand looks very biomechanical in the comic con shot, and the image of our possible jockey has pretty flesh arms/hands still.
IMO it's a crew member's hand. The glove looks like it matches their space suits; material with rubber augmentations.
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 25, 2011, 05:16:54 AM
Quote from: Mustangjeff on Dec 25, 2011, 05:11:53 AMThere was an image from the leaked comic con footage showing a control panel and a hand. So is this hand from our man? I think initially there was some debate on it being a member of the crew, but I don't think so. That hand looks very biomechanical in the comic con shot, and the image of our possible jockey has pretty flesh arms/hands still.
IMO it's a crew member's hand. The glove looks like it matches their space suits; material with rubber augmentations.
-Chris
Yep your absolutely correct. I should have looked at the glove in the other photos. The picture where the guys helment is melting off the actor has his hands up by his face and they are an exact match..
Oh well..
Quote from: Mustangjeff on Dec 25, 2011, 05:23:29 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Dec 25, 2011, 05:16:54 AM
Quote from: Mustangjeff on Dec 25, 2011, 05:11:53 AMThere was an image from the leaked comic con footage showing a control panel and a hand. So is this hand from our man? I think initially there was some debate on it being a member of the crew, but I don't think so. That hand looks very biomechanical in the comic con shot, and the image of our possible jockey has pretty flesh arms/hands still.
IMO it's a crew member's hand. The glove looks like it matches their space suits; material with rubber augmentations.
-Chris
Yep your absolutely correct. I should have looked at the glove in the other photos. The picture where the guys helment is melting off the actor has his hands up by his face and they are an exact match..
Oh well..
You make a good point about the control panel - definitely looks like the same one in both shots. In the SDCC shot you couldn't really tell what it was, but with the new shot you can see it is a table/console like structure.
-Chris