It seems like Keanu Reeves might be back for two new movies.
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=28629 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=28629)
"Says he met the Wachowski's (no emphasis on the word brothers), for lunch over Christmas and stated that they had completed work on a two picture script treatment that would see him return to the world of the Matrix as Neo. Says the brothers have met with Jim Cameron to discuss the pro's and con's of 3D and are looking to deliver something which has never been seen again. Keanu stated that he still has an obligation to the fans to deliver a movie worthy of the title "The Matrix" and he swears this time that the treatment will truly revolutionise the action genre like the first movie. Wachowski's are working on a movie called Cloud Atlas at the moment, once that concludes they will talk again."
I'm eagerly awaiting this. :)
Quote from: Shasvre on Jan 24, 2011, 03:00:52 PM
It seems like Keanu Reeves might be back for two new movies.
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=28629 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=28629)
"Says he met the Wachowski's (no emphasis on the word brothers), for lunch over Christmas and stated that they had completed work on a two picture script treatment that would see him return to the world of the Matrix as Neo. Says the brothers have met with Jim Cameron to discuss the pro's and con's of 3D and are looking to deliver something which has never been seen again. Keanu stated that he still has an obligation to the fans to deliver a movie worthy of the title "The Matrix" and he swears this time that the treatment will truly revolutionise the action genre like the first movie. Wachowski's are working on a movie called Cloud Atlas at the moment, once that concludes they will talk again."
I'm eagerly awaiting this. :)
I'm not so sure about this.
Bring it! And hopefully Juno Reactor will be back for soundtrack duties...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm45ge41ffs# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm45ge41ffs#)
They better come up with something good story-wise.
I always thought the original set of film was going to be two after watching Revolutions. That movie has so much padding it was ridiculous, it just looked like reloaded got bloated to a 3 hour movie and it was decided to be split up and the third one got the bad end.
So if we get two now i think it's a good number .
Boooo. I want Neuromancer.
Cool but totally unnecessary.
Didn't they killed off the main characters in the 3rd movie?
His mind is alive inside Matrix. Now he`ll have to find a way back to his body :o
Didn't the Wachowski's already continue the story with the Matrix MMO before Sony came and crapped on it?
I still haven't seen these, but am hoping to see the first one soon. I heard that the first was great, but the sequels weren't as good.
Then again, Target does have a four pack with all the movies and the anime for only $10...
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 24, 2011, 06:53:31 PM
I still haven't seen these, but am hoping to see the first one soon. I heard that the first was great, but the sequels weren't as good.
Then again, Target does have a four pack with all the movies and the anime for only $10...
Buy it. Like...
NOW!
Quote from: First Blood on Jan 24, 2011, 05:03:05 PM
Cool but totally unnecessary.
Wholeheartedly agreed with First Blood.
Revolutions closes the arc pretty nicely. Yes, leaves some things open, but it is a proper ending if you ask me. And how could Neo come back, exactly? A Matrix Ghost? ::)
That reminds me though that I have to get the Blu-Ray trilogy. :P
I always kinda hoped they would do a trilogy of prequels to find out how the machines took over in the first place. But I guess this is what T4 was supposed to be.
Turns out it's a fake report.
The school where the event supposedly happened came out to say that no such appearance took place, the whole thing is made up.
Links for support:
http://www.chud.com/32441/return-to-the-source-keanu-promising-more-matrix-films/ (http://www.chud.com/32441/return-to-the-source-keanu-promising-more-matrix-films/)
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/19193/two-more-matrix-films-ain-t-happening (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/19193/two-more-matrix-films-ain-t-happening)
Yay.
Yeah. Bill and Ted 3 is where it's at, anyway.
Make it happen.
Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 24, 2011, 07:23:53 PMTurns out it's a fake report.
The school where the event supposedly happened came out to say that no such appearance took place, the whole thing is made up.
Links for support:
http://www.chud.com/32441/return-to-the-source-keanu-promising-more-matrix-films/ (http://www.chud.com/32441/return-to-the-source-keanu-promising-more-matrix-films/)
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/19193/two-more-matrix-films-ain-t-happening (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/19193/two-more-matrix-films-ain-t-happening)
Crap. :(
Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 24, 2011, 07:23:53 PM
Turns out it's a fake report.
The school where the event supposedly happened came out to say that no such appearance took place, the whole thing is made up.
Links for support:
http://www.chud.com/32441/return-to-the-source-keanu-promising-more-matrix-films/ (http://www.chud.com/32441/return-to-the-source-keanu-promising-more-matrix-films/)
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/19193/two-more-matrix-films-ain-t-happening (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/19193/two-more-matrix-films-ain-t-happening)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEwrbolQ3bE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEwrbolQ3bE#ws)
I'm pretty sure they will end up making another movie some day. I think they thought the idea of a Matrix 4-5 due to TL being a box office hit at the moment.
Quote from: Darkness on Jan 24, 2011, 07:20:38 PM
I always kinda hoped they would do a trilogy of prequels to find out how the machines took over in the first place. But I guess this is what T4 was supposed to be.
ever Watched the Animatrix?
Animatrix is the tits.
i love the matrix, yes even the sequels, and it would be SO perfect for 3D, but..... nearly everyone dies at the end, including Neo.... the only way he could come back is if he is resurrected as a program, i suppose it would make sense from the messiahistic parts of the movies though
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehdroom.com%2Fimages%2Fnews%2F8287b.jpg&hash=519d0b7b636cbe514382e76d7cfaa5e9a013247d)
The lower left corner says "The New Matrix". Maybe there will be a movie after all?
Is A New MATRIX Trilogy Coming?
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=95320 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=95320)
Latino Review, so I'm gonna assume no. But on the off chance that it is true, I guess I'd say, umm... maybe?
lol I still haven't seen any of them beyond the original
Then you're pretty much set :P
I remember the second having some interesting ideas and the third being fun to watch, but neither of them were as good as the first.
Quote from: Aspie on Feb 28, 2014, 10:25:34 PM
lol I still haven't seen any of them beyond the original
Just play the video game, The Path of Neo, if you're ever interested. Much better than the two sequels that came after the first movie.
The sequels were a mess... but what i enjoyed most about the second film was how it pisses on the premise of the first. ;D
Spoiler
YAY! Neo is the ONE he's the HERO! Oh wait, there's already been many "one's" and they are just part of a way to reboot the matrix every so and so years and flush out undesirables to a place called Zion.. where they all end up getting killed again and again through the years! lulz! Cue fanboy hatred! :laugh:
Quote from: Blacklabel on Feb 28, 2014, 11:48:20 PM
The sequels were a mess... but what i enjoyed most about the second film was how it pisses on the premise of the first. ;D
Spoiler
YAY! Neo is the ONE he's the HERO! Oh wait, there's already been many "one's" and they are just part of a way to reboot the matrix every so and so years and flush out undesirables to a place called Zion.. where they all end up getting killed again and again through the years! lulz! Cue fanboy hatred! :laugh:
It doesnt at all, plus it's a wink, wink to Greek mythology.
This is probably a reason why a some folks didnt like it, they sort of missed on all the references.
You probably didnt understand the Merovingian either, right?
The first Matrix movie was one of my all time favs. So of course I'll watch this one hoping that it approaches the level of the first.
Love the trilogy. But I think I will take the blue pill on this one. The story ends.
NO VEP.
One thing I can say aside from liking or disliking the trilogy is that the ending sets-up and justifies a potentially infinite series of film/multimedia reboots because the Matrix is by design a snake eating its tail, something that reloops and circles itself to no end.
can't find the original Matrix thread so I'll post this here:
https://twitter.com/OnlyFilmMedia/status/1112240080238923776
God, I can't believe it's been that long.
Yeah, time flies. Makes me feel old now.
I still remember when it first came out. My cousin rented a vhs copy and we watched it at like 1am so we wouldn't wake anyone else in the house. It was my grandmother's place, so religion ruled heavily over content.
We'd never seen those kind of effects before, and the elicit nature of breaking the house rules made for a great memory.
Sitting on that ancient furniture, the wind blowing the curtains around as the storm rolled in that night. Watching people in tight leather shoot at each other on the old quasar. I'll never forget it.
https://twitter.com/NeilDaviesArt/status/1124302456089923584
Matrix has idled long enough.
(https://i.etsystatic.com/6670245/r/il/d6d0f6/505297045/il_794xN.505297045_m5d0.jpg)
QuoteThere's been a bit of back-and-forth as to who will direct, but production listings are including the information that the Wachowskis (specifically Lana Wachowski) will return to direct the film that could begin production in early 2020 in Chicago. Discussing Film is running with the story that's yet-to-be-confirmed, although it was included in last week's Production Weekly report that lists the shooting title as "Project Ice Cream".
https://twitter.com/BDisgusting/status/1142559951983972359
They should have neo still be in interrogation. He has to sit there the whole movie while flashbacks show him doing taxes and helping the landlady carry out her garbage.
Call it: "Mr. Anderson"
Will the giant baby make an appearance?
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 23, 2019, 01:12:11 AM
Will the giant baby make an appearance?
Cipher's dead and should stay that way. ;)
I'm attending a 20th anniversary screening, which I'm excited for. Still one of my favorite movies ever.
https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit/status/1163908248962908160
I don't know how to feel about this. I love and own the first one, and, well, err... I love and own the first one.
I love animatrix, the matrix and reloaded. Ultimately revolutions despite the mech battle the third was a disappointment.
Good news.
I knew it. John Wick is Neo, unaware of his true self.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 20, 2019, 08:51:25 PM
I don't know how to feel about this. I love and own the first one, and, well, err... I love and own the first one.
+1
Only seen the sequels once and that was years ago, haven't seen the first in ages, and haven't seen the Animatrix at all.
I'm curious about this. Definitely need to revisit the existing films.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 20, 2019, 11:32:29 PM
I knew it. John Wick is Neo, unaware of his true self.
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This and Bill & Ted 3 will be the start of Into the Keanu-Verse.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 21, 2019, 04:20:11 AM
This and Bill & Ted 3 will be the start of Into the Keanu-Verse.
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Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 21, 2019, 04:20:11 AM
This and Bill & Ted 3 will be the start of Into the Keanu-Verse.
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If Neo and Trinity can return, than I definitely want at least a cameo from Smith.
But how can Trinity return tho?
Geez why though?
The two sequels were not everybodys cup of tea, but you had a completed trilogy and a finished story.
It is not perfect, but i bet it is as good as it gets. Sure it could be the Fury Road of the franchise, but I won't hold my breath.
Quote from: The Son of Paragus on Aug 21, 2019, 10:13:54 AM
But how can Trinity return tho?
That was my first thought too
Quote from: The Son of Paragus on Aug 21, 2019, 10:13:54 AM
But how can Trinity return tho?
She'll be the new Chosen One.
Matrix 4? Christ, I'm out.
https://twitter.com/DarrowGeof/status/1163929807987437568
Most of the original cast returning.
Weeeeeeee...!
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I'm feeling pretty excited for this. :)
Aye, same. Really itching to revisit the trilogy.
They get most of the cast back... except Weaving, and they have to get the Red Skull from IW/Endgame instead. :laugh:
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 21, 2019, 06:07:59 PM
Aye, same. Really itching to revisit the trilogy.
Looking at the first page, poor innocent 2011 NA had not seen a single Matrix film. :D
I am excite. The first Matrix was an all time fave for about a decade, there was unique shit that you only saw in Anime before that movie.
It's one of those you wouldve to be around at the time to appreciate.
The Matrix
The Matrix Reloaded
The Matrix Revolutions
Anyone want to bet against me when I predict that #4 will be called The Matrix Revival? ;D
Or, going with a computer theme - The Matrix Rebooted.
Quote from: Shasvre on Aug 21, 2019, 12:07:38 PM
Quote from: The Son of Paragus on Aug 21, 2019, 10:13:54 AM
But how can Trinity return tho?
She'll be the new Chosen One.
Just about to say the same thing.
Shall we have popcorn or corndogs for the Mary Sue political discussions?
Definitely Rebooted. Works as a contemporary reimagining and it probably reflective of the state of the in-universe Matrix.
#teamreboot
I wonder if 4 will address the system wide crash that was brought up in Reloaded and completely forgotten about in Revolutions. Also, I really hope that it doesn't go for the silly "the real world was just another Matrix" twist that some fans are so adamant about.
I was just thinking about that today, about the real world matrix theory.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 22, 2019, 12:08:12 AM
I was just thinking about that today, about the real world matrix theory.
That one is the Simulated reality hypothesis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality).
https://twitter.com/justinhendrix/status/1160605276346769408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d9i_0Ty7Cg
Impossible.
These farts are just too real.
Indeed. I've the theory that farts can be a complex language by themselves. Not only that, coz depending on the smell and colors, farts can evolve into an art form. Also, I predict a fartnado in about a hundred more years.
Farts are definitely a language.
Every time I rip one, it elicits a verbal response.
what would it matter even if we were in a simulation?
nothing you could really do about it
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 22, 2019, 03:38:36 AM
what would it matter even if we were in a simulation?
nothing you could really do about it
I've thought of this too.
I'm pumped for a new Matrix though. I honestly quite liked all of them, although the second pumped up the third so hard it was a let down.
Might go more spiritual, like if you die in the real world....maybe you don't die in the Matrix.
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1164661263433129989
Wonder why Bill Pope isn't returning?
So, do we know if this will be standalone or are they planning a new trilogy or something?
I'm on the fence with the details so far. I would like to see another Matrix film but with different characters as the focal point. I would like to see a movie focused around another crew carrying out crucial missions during the events of the original trilogy. Have Neo and Trinity in cameos maybe, but not main characters.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 22, 2019, 11:50:09 PM
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1164661263433129989
Wonder why Bill Pope isn't returning?
Because a movie like this takes its toll.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 22, 2019, 02:15:59 AM
Indeed. I've the theory that farts can be a complex language by themselves. Not only that, coz depending on the smell and colors, farts can evolve into an art form. Also, I predict a fartnado in about a hundred more years.
It already happened my friend...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Pétomane
The system-wide crash was the machines' predicted exponential outcome if the One's code wasn't disseminated to reset the system; it's what would occur if the minority of minds that reject the simulation were left unchecked. Indeed, in Revolutions, the system is on the verge of crashing due to Smith balancing out the equation (the Oracle ultimately speeding up the process and threatening all worlds to set up a bargaining chip for Neo to present to the God of the Machines - the deus ex machina, appropriately enough.)
I actually loved how Reloaded deconstructed the messianic teleology and dualism of the first, when you think about it, we should have always been a tad skeptical about who or what exactly the Oracle was in the original.
I also love that she was initially created as an intuitive program to investigate the human psyche but ultimately comes to the conclusion that due to evolution (programs rebelling against programs/a.i. and seeking liberation/exile in the system, evolving human emotions, etc) that man and machine must co-exist ("I'm interested in one thing Neo and that's the future, and believe me the only way to get there is together.")
The non-dual/paradoxical resolution of Revolutions proved anti-climactic for most back in 2003, but under reevaluation, it's a pretty ballsy and wonderfully un-Hollywood conclusion to a blockbuster trilogy, compare it say to Star Wars or Lord of the Rings, for example. The Wachowskis were way ahead of the pack.
Let this man drop some philosophy on yall.
I didn't know the Architect had an account here.
Reeves back? Could they be going for some "alternative Part 3" with the slight variation of Neo chosing the other door and therefore initiating the next Zion?
This approach would imply the nice side effect of possibly open up a whole new can of Matrix films -- I'm nut sure its needed but id prob watch anyway lul
title: Matrix: Alteration(s)
That would mean that Trinity would be shot/fall to her death though... But it might be something along those lines.
I like to think that the machines are a little lazy with their avatars and simply reload many of the same iterations over and over, in this case we have both neo and trinity finding each other again, something like that, I don't know lmao
Or
Because both Neo and Trinity were the first humans to make it to Machine City, me thinks some machines will reanimate them for whatever reason. I don't know I'm trying to wrap my head around how they're going to be brought back lol
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 23, 2019, 07:48:53 PM
I didn't know the Architect had an account here.
:laugh:
His speech - though criticised for being excessively wordy, exposition dumping and pace killing - is one of the most genius in all of cinema. The Wachowskis had their go at presenting God, and he deconstructed the "prophecy" and messianism set up in the first film in total atheistic/computer logic glory. :laugh:
Hm your obviously right about Trinity.
Then again if i remember correctly Neo chosing the other door and therefore initiating the reload would actually be moments before Trinity dies (i mean hes flying through the building and half the city couldnt take much longer to walk through the other door and some time to let reload protocols kick in).
In this case they could both awake in the new Matrix although it might seem a bit strange for the machines to not shuffle things up a bit and dispose of those indivuals that already had their rebellion so to speak. These are minor narrative problems though i suppose that can easily be written around/explained away.
I guess the timing would account for that yeah, Lana is ridiculously intelligent so I'm sure whatever she's cooked up will make sense. The script was also co-written by the author of Cloud Atlas as well, I forget the other two atm.
Quote from: kwisatz on Aug 23, 2019, 11:23:17 PM
Hm your obviously right about Trinity.
Then again if i remember correctly Neo chosing the other door and therefore initiating the reload would actually be moments before Trinity dies (i mean hes flying through the building and half the city couldnt take much longer to walk through the other door and some time to let reload protocols kick in).
In this case they could both awake in the new Matrix although it might seem a bit strange for the machines to not shuffle things up a bit and dispose of those indivuals that already had their rebellion so to speak. These are minor narrative problems though i suppose that can easily be written around/explained away.
He catches her as she hits the deck. The Architect says she dies, he's a machine so he cant be lying.
Im wondering if it's not more a continuation of the nice world we see at the end of the third. I really wouldn't be game for a prequel or a side quest, despite the films being complete as they are.
Hm you sure?
Skimming the dialogue i see nothing about Trinitys or Neos fate should he chose the reload door. Hes supposed to recruit the founding personel of new Zion which implies he will definitely survive the process of reloading and even wake up in the real world. Again it seems a bit strange for the machines to let him back into the Matrix and not just outright kill him, then again whyyy waste a functioning battery? :laugh:
Quote from: kwisatz on Aug 23, 2019, 11:47:54 PM
Hm you sure?
Skimming the dialogue i see nothing about Trinitys or Neos fate should he chose the reload door. Hes supposed to recruit the founding personel of new Zion which implies he will definitely survive the process of reloading and even wake up in the real world. Again it seems a bit strange for the machines to let him back into the Matrix and not just outright kill him, then again whyyy waste a functioning battery? :laugh:
"Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it"
If you die in the Matrix you're dead. He has to catch her.
EDIT: I guess, she can be reset from the other door maybe, but then he would forget everything.
Ah thanks didn't see that.
Guess one could argue what Electric God meant here was simply that she can't be saved in this world aka this Matrix version as in this Matrix's Neo can't do nothing to save this Matrix's Trinity.
But a new life awaits both of you off world aeh off Matrix 7 (?)... u get me
Quote from: kwisatz on Aug 24, 2019, 12:24:07 AM
Ah thanks didn't see that.
Guess one could argue what Electric God meant here was simply that she can't be saved in this world aka this Matrix version as in this Matrix's Neo can't do nothing to save this Matrix's Trinity.
But a new life awaits both of you off world aeh off Matrix 7 (?)... u get me
I think the problem with any of the fan theories is that unless they use de-aging techniques, Neo and Trinity are going to look a fare bit older. I'd rather they just ran with that personally and built a story around it, but you never know. Lots of possibilities.
Maybe she died and Neo has now developed his own matrix as a way to be with her. An escape from the real world which turned out to be not so good.
Quote from: Highland on Aug 24, 2019, 01:18:43 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on Aug 24, 2019, 12:24:07 AM
Ah thanks didn't see that.
Guess one could argue what Electric God meant here was simply that she can't be saved in this world aka this Matrix version as in this Matrix's Neo can't do nothing to save this Matrix's Trinity.
But a new life awaits both of you off world aeh off Matrix 7 (?)... u get me
I think the problem with any of the fan theories is that unless they use de-aging techniques, Neo and Trinity are going to look a fare bit older. I'd rather they just ran with that personally and built a story around it, but you never know. Lots of possibilities.
Passage of time i wouldnt see as a problem.
Both keep their age upon reentering the following Matrix cycle. Obviously the next Chosen One wont happen the day after tomorrow the whole Chosen One inequation/equation needs to build up again. We can measure the cycles roughly by keepin in mind that about 30 people are supposed to rebuild a Zion about the size of the one that gets displayed in the second and third movie. Quite the task. That means if the machines reinject Trinity and Neo into the new Matrix they wont be around to see the next Chosen One incident uncoil.
In this construct they would serve more as an introduction/explanation why a new Matrix is happening and the there'd be a significant timejump.
Yea i dunno. Maybe the other scenario is actually more likely. Imagine a new film beginning in this beautiful world. They have 12 children and Neo is back punching the time clock in a cube farm but bam - its just another Matrix. Why oh why ... but yea i dunno its hard to avoid the repetition if your going down this road imo; im sure they can come up with something better though, cause they are professionels like Benioff and Weiss hnnnnnnnnnn :laugh:
I can kind of see how it would be Neo in the role of Morpheus with a new one doing crazy matrix shit.
You could throw some twist where a human enemy is the badguy seeking to disrupt the last of the machine influence in the matrix by terrorist acts within.
Doesn't have to be the exact same story in a new timeframe.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 24, 2019, 01:55:56 AM
I can kind of see how it would be Neo in the role of Morpheus with a new one doing crazy matrix shit.
You could throw some twist where a human enemy is the badguy seeking to disrupt the last of the machine influence in the matrix by terrorist acts within.
Doesn't have to be the exact same story in a new timeframe.
Yeah I dig it. Neo as Obi-wan. He could still whip out some bad ass stuff.
I imagine they both lived on in the digital world. Perhaps like agent smith, they can reenter other bodies or machine bodies built for them. Who knows?
https://twitter.com/screenrant/status/1170718259148206080
https://twitter.com/bleedingcool/status/1171144111790940160
So excited for this. Being a teenager during the Matrix era was so fun. Hopefully the brand gets relaunched in a big way. Video games, the lot. Reeves and Moss returning is all I need. Hopefully Don Davis does the score.
https://twitter.com/Collider/status/1181970310058389504
https://twitter.com/JakesTakes/status/1181042981345710080
Just hire Will already.
As much as I love Will, it would have been a totally different movie with him playing Neo.
Keep Will as far away from this as possible.
In a smaller role, like the Merovingian (or however you say it) he might could pull it off.
But for the love of God, not a main role.
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 10, 2019, 05:23:28 PM
Keep Will as far away from this as possible.
Why? Do you think he'll make the Matrix films bad? *
*See The Matrix Reloaded & Revolutions for answer!
Because no matter who he's playing, it's hard not to think of him as Will Smith. After MIB, Independence Day, Bad Boys, etc. it's hard not to see him as anybody other than himself.
Just like The Rock is always basically The Rock in whatever he's in.
He's just one of those actors that constantly makes me aware that I'm just watching a movie.
I hear you, and have experienced much of what you say.
But do you want to know the one Will Smith movie I truly didn't feel that way? I Am Legend.
I Am Legend and I Robot were the only two films of his where I've been able to see him as his character. And I Robot was pushing it.
He's a fine actor. I'm not saying he isn't. But I would personally find it a bit jarring to see him in a Matrix film.
Will Smit is an expert at playing himself, so long as they wrote a role for him in that fashion I wouldn't mind. Keanu, Arnie, etc are pretty much the same way.
Quote from: VarietyNeil Patrick Harris is the latest addition to the ensemble cast for the upcoming fourth installment of the "Matrix" franchise.
He joins Keanu Reeves and Carrie-Anne Moss, who will be reprising their roles in the film, as well as Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, who was tapped as one of the leads last week.
Plot details are currently unknown. While it was rumored a young Morpheus could appear in the movie, sources close to the film would not confirm Harris' specific role.
Merovingian style role I bet.
Either that or snorting lines off a hookers thigh again.
It'd be better if it was something unsuspected.
Like him playing the straight man or something.
;)
I could see him being Agent material.
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Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 16, 2019, 02:48:17 AM
It'd be better if it was something unsuspected.
Like him playing the straight man or something.
;)
I see what you did there.
Jada Pinkett Smith might return as well.
https://deadline.com/2019/10/matrix-4-jada-pinkett-smith-in-talks-to-return-1202761135/
https://twitter.com/The_GWW/status/1184555372633194496
https://twitter.com/OnlyFilmMedia/status/1204868589536329730
https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/1218299740548321280
Ye gods no, not that annoying ass. :laugh:
That guy always reminded me of Christoph Waltz.
Quote from: Shasvre on Jan 17, 2020, 11:05:38 PM
That guy always reminded me of Christoph Waltz.
"Cuckoo, James!" :laugh:
At least this means that Monica might be coming back. ;D
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 17, 2020, 11:04:39 PM
Ye gods no, not that annoying ass. :laugh:
Wipe him with some silk.
He was annoying but he was purposefully annoying and he played the role well.
Does this mean Neo didn't die like Jesus after all?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2020, 12:56:19 AM
Does this mean Neo didn't die like Jesus after all?
He did, but he came back to life after three days.
Did his eyes grow back?
I think it means he took the blue pill, and everything we saw in the movies was a dream sequence.
Is that why he was able to stop a sentinel in the "real world?"
Was it the real world?
WAS IT!!?
Quote from: DeadlineEréndira Ibarra will be reuniting with Sense8 co-creator Lana Wachowski in the Warner Bros./Village Roadshow sequel The Matrix 4, which is expected to begin filming this year.
Ibarra will be joining franchise returnees Keanu Reeves (Neo), Carrie-Anne Moss (Trinity), and Jada Pinkett Smith (Niobe) as well as newcomers Jessica Henwick, Neil Patrick Harris, Toby Onwumere, and Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, who is rumored to be playing young Morpheus. Henwick is buzzed to play a female Neo-like character.
Wachowski will direct and co-write the screenplay with Aleksandar Hemon and David Mitchell. Wachowski is producing with Grant Hill, who executive produced Matrix Reloaded and Matrix Revolutions. The Matrix trilogy has grossed over $1.6 billion at the WW box office.
Source - 'Matrix 4': 'Sense8' Actress Eréndira Ibarra Reteams With Lana Wachowski On Warner Bros.-Village Roadshow Sequel
Quote from: Hugo Weaving via Time OutThe most recent interview with you I've seen on the subject said you weren't doing the new 'Matrix' film, but that was a couple of years ago... are you still not doing it?
'I'm not, no...'
Also, it was widely noted that you weren't in the last two 'Avengers' films – presumably they tried to get you?
"The Matrix" is a very different story. It's unfortunate but actually I had this offer [for "The Visit"] and then the offer came from "The Matrix", so I knew it was happening but I didn't have dates. I thought could do both and it took eight weeks to work out that the dates would work – I held off on accepting [a role in "The Visit" during that time]. I was in touch with [director] Lana Wachowski, but in the end she decided that the dates weren't going to work. So we'd sorted the dates and then she sort of changed her mind. They're pushing on ahead without me.'
https://twitter.com/hypercasey/status/1219505205835755520
That clinches it. Samara Weaving should be the new Smith.
https://twitter.com/HNEsocial/status/1221478335429193728?
I still can't believe they're making another one.
In a good way though.
https://twitter.com/ComicBook_Movie/status/1222300824019144705
Whoah
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8NAWjRh0ZP/?utm_source=ig_embed
https://twitter.com/keanuplanet/status/1225169788697284611?s
https://twitter.com/keanuplanet/status/1225194438315606016?s
https://twitter.com/vedoveto37/status/1228929689038675968
So I gather he's not going to remember who he is for the first third of the movie?
Maybe Neo got sent to the "Recycle Bin" of the Matrix just waiting to be restored.
Maybe he got replaced by a Bad Robot Us.
Is he on the right or the left? I can't tell.
Neo on the left and Trinity on the right.
https://twitter.com/TheFilmStage/status/1228798866251796481?s=
Ok, then she's probably teaching him on the fly.
There was some minor damage in San Francisco during filming.
Spoiler
https://youtu.be/IRxgwGrB5yY
https://twitter.com/nbcbayarea/status/1232125584672804865?s
Neo with long hair and beard?.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Mar 07, 2020, 11:57:52 PM
Neo with long hair and beard?.
He's a big John Wick fan.
As someone who liked the Matrix sequels and what they tried to say, I certainly hope #4 will be good, particularly in an era of too many sequels and reboots.
https://twitter.com/OnlyFilmMedia/status/1244861871838109696
https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/1255618143034044416
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1261007670896517122
Quote from: Chad Stahelski on Lana Wachowski's action scenes, via THR She comes with this idea. She comes with this set piece. She comes with, 'This is the character. This is what's happening. This is the conflict. This is where I need him to be emotionally or psychologically or whatever plot-wise at the end of this sequence. What do you got in your bag of tricks to make it absolutely crazy?' She's one of those great people that she'll tell us something and we'll say, 'Okay, we've got this.' Then she's like, 'Oh my God, that's awesome. I didn't think of that, but what if we took this and made it this?'
She always kind of one-ups you and that's a challenge. She's probably still the most challenging person, in a good way, that I've ever worked with... If you love the Matrix trilogy, you're going to love what she's doing because she's brilliant and fun and understands what the fans want.
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1266912290458218496
Super dubious, but I'd like to be wrong.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2020, 01:28:10 AM
Is that why he was able to stop a sentinel in the "real world?"
Meme magic.
Neo is part machine, in fact, by design, he is the machine's creation; the sum of anomalous human malware in the system/messianic system of control, so interacting with the sentinels makes sense. They couldn't predict this of course since it's outside their binary logic. One crucial piece of the Oracle's subversive plan to have machines and man realize their interdependence and aim at some level of peaceful co-existence.
No reason for Trinity at all in MATRIX 4, her character is done she died move on.
I'm looking forward to this.. but when i saw trinity is in this one.. I start to worry and she's almost 60 isn't she?
No reason for Neo in MATRIX 4, his character is done he died move on.
He's three years older than Carrie-Anne Moss to boot.
Neither is "almost 60" though. Reeves is 55, Moss is 52.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 05, 2020, 10:07:03 AM
No reason for Neo in MATRIX 4, his character is done he died move on.
Yes.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 05, 2020, 10:07:03 AM
No reason for Neo in MATRIX 4, his character is done he died move on.
He's three years older than Carrie-Anne Moss to boot.
Neither is "almost 60" though. Reeves is 55, Moss is 52.
Was it ever confirmed he died? he was simply "taken away"
Trin did die we saw that.
Moss is 52? jesus thought older.... Reeves looks great for 55 though.
Quote from: x-M-x on Jun 05, 2020, 01:52:32 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 05, 2020, 10:07:03 AM
No reason for Neo in MATRIX 4, his character is done he died move on.
He's three years older than Carrie-Anne Moss to boot.
Neither is "almost 60" though. Reeves is 55, Moss is 52.
Was it ever confirmed he died? he was simply "taken away"
Kind of a let down if your messiah figure is just squirreled away rather than sacrificing himself gloriously...
For all intents and purposes Neo died, his body would not sustain an electrical surge like that. However his code was sent back into the source, we see that with the orange lotus symbolism. He attained final Nirvana, etc.
For all of Revolutions' hammy faults and essentially just being an extended 3rd act narrative wise, it's rich with metaphysics in the last half hour.
Whoever this "Neo" is in 4 is simply the same avatar, the machines are likely to reuse avatars all the time. :laugh:
Could be interesting if they have no real world bodies and only exist in the matrix. Ghosts in the machine kinda thing.
https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/1269982633397817345
https://twitter.com/elmayimbe/status/1271593159173173248
Delays everywhere. At this rate, its gonna be like than scene from TWD.
"When's the last time any of you saw a movie?"
Before the pandemic, of course.
to be expected really.
the time of game is upon us.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 06, 2020, 02:15:48 AM
Could be interesting if they have no real world bodies and only exist in the matrix. Ghosts in the machine kinda thing.
Well, I assumed this is the case.
In a recent conversation with the
Netflix Flim Club,
Lilly Washowski explained that the original intention about the
Matrix was to serve as a trans allegory.
Quote from: via Observer"I have not been invited. Maybe that will make me write another play. I wish them well. I hope it's great," Fishburne said in a recent interview with New York magazine. "It is probably the role that I'll be best remembered for, which is great; it's not the only thing I'll be remembered for, which is better. What I get with him is I've got Darth Vader in this hand, and I've got Obi-Wan in that hand. I've got Bruce Lee, I've got Muhammad Ali shuffled in there, and I've got kung fu."
https://twitter.com/ObserverArts/status/1295509469489750016
There's been some rumors that Yaya Abdul-Mateen II might be playing a younger Morpheus, which I guess could make sense if there's some sort of reset that causes another iteration of the Matrix?
https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1311036976922009601
https://twitter.com/TravClark2/status/1313309037979631616
THE MATRIX sucks. And I don't just mean the sequels, I mean the whole thing. And any sequels will suck too. They will make out they are deep and profound, just like the original movies, but will really deliver nothing.
https://twitter.com/mccrabb_will/status/1349848080611303424
Quote from: Shasvre on Aug 21, 2019, 08:53:48 PM
The Matrix
The Matrix Reloaded
The Matrix Revolutions
Anyone want to bet against me when I predict that #4 will be called The Matrix Revival? ;D
Or, going with a computer theme - The Matrix Rebooted.
Matrix Resurrections is the rumored name now.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/matrix/the-matrix-4-the-sci-fi-sequels-official-title-has-seemingly-leaked-online-a182095#gs.s8w6s7
I hope it has a subtitle, I'd hate for it to follow the current trend of giving a sequel the same name as the first movie.
The Final Destination (2009)
Halloween (2018)
Matrix (2021)
Scream (2022)
Rebooted or gtfo
Give it 20 years and make The Matrix: Remade.
Wednesday Addams has entered the matrix
https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/status/1401252035610046466
https://twitter.com/ViewerAnon/status/1405038576220327942
The first Matrix was one of my favorite movies of the 90's. The sequels kept it from being one of the best all time series, but also were good enough that it was a near miss.
I hope this one can capture a little bit of the originals magic.
Ooof, subtitling a sequel Resurrection(s) never bodes well. At least it's not Revelation? :laugh:
Revelation is Alien V Blomkamp sequel.
Nah, it's more Alien Rising: Revengeance.
Imagine not naming it Matrix Rebooted, bloody dead on arrival.
Honestly, messy but interesting is something I'm willing to roll with on this film.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2021, 02:57:03 PM
https://twitter.com/ViewerAnon/status/1405038576220327942
"Surprisingly funny"
Well, I'd say it's f**ked.
"Surprisingly funny": The Mat:rix
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 17, 2021, 09:37:18 PM
The first Matrix was one of my favorite movies of the 90's.
That Jesus moment
Title announced
https://twitter.com/JasonGuerrasio/status/1430329846240997376
Spoiler
https://twitter.com/AaronCouch/status/1430329583690125312
Trailer please.
I can imagine the trailer narration. "For the first time since 1999, a Matrix movie doesn't suck." :laugh:
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 25, 2021, 03:34:02 AM
I can imagine the trailer narration. "For the first time since 1999, a Matrix movie doesn't suck." :laugh:
sequels need love like everything else
I plan on revisiting the sequels soon. Only ever saw them once each (as opposed to the first one which I've seen a bunch). I recall the sequels being absolute messes but also, pretty conceptually intetesting.
Will be intetesting seeing how they play on rewatch now, knowing that another one is coming.
There's some good stuff in them for sure, but my god, it would not have taken much to trim them down into one script before shooting.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 25, 2021, 03:56:17 AM
I plan on revisiting the sequels soon. Only ever saw them once each (as opposed to the first one which I've seen a bunch). I recall the sequels being absolute messes but also, pretty conceptually intetesting.
Will be intetesting seeing how they play on rewatch now, knowing that another one is coming.
The Battle for Sion was peak coolness when it came out. 8)
Never liked this franchise for some reason, will probably give it another go before nr 4 arrives.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 25, 2021, 03:52:04 AM
sequels need love like everything else
I would have loved the
Matrix Reloaded car chase with a more futuristic city. :laugh:
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 26, 2021, 06:20:38 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 25, 2021, 03:52:04 AM
sequels need love like everything else
I would have loved the Matrix Reloaded car chase with a more futuristic city. :laugh:
https://s9.gifyu.com/images/utp6dPB.gif
Would have just been a hot neon mess, visually, tbh. The highway sequence is great as-is.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 26, 2021, 07:39:08 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 26, 2021, 06:20:38 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Aug 25, 2021, 03:52:04 AM
sequels need love like everything else
I would have loved the Matrix Reloaded car chase with a more futuristic city. :laugh:
https://s9.gifyu.com/images/utp6dPB.gif
Would have just been a hot neon mess, visually, tbh. The highway sequence is great as-is.
Hot seizure mess! :laugh: ..but fair enought.
I loved the original, I was super hyped for the sequels. I even loved #2 after seeing it at the theatre however after a second viewing I found myself really not liking it much. I thought Revolutions was good but flawed, never re-watched it though.
I thought the second one was really great....before the third one came out. If anyone remembers at the time it left you right on the cliff with so much mystery. There were crazy threads on the internet about the theories.
Then it kinda ended up like Prometheus where a lot of the mystery didn't really fulfill the ending.
The only one that I liked from beginning to end was the first movie. I think I like the concept more than the franchise: the idea that our world is part of an artificial simulation, and I think it can be used for cosmic horror in place of man-made machines enslaving men themselves. Also I like Agent Smith. :laugh:
Opening night, I remember walking out of the theater soooo annoyed with the second one. It started when Neo lost his awakening and all his god abilities to disrupt programs with one through away line. "Huh, Upgrades." ::) Haven't watched that sequel since 2003, but I still love the original!
He still had godlike powers in the sequel tho. He knocks the upgrades out in seconds.
The only things that give him problems are programs that on their own are "glitched" themselves in the Matrix (like the blade leapers). And he still destroys them to.
I actually enjoyed all three of them, but in decreasing order. I found reloaded to be a pretty solid bridging film between the starting and finishing chapters. The third film to me is the anchor that drags the series down. Some cool things but not enough to override the disappointment of the finale.
I maintain, and have always maintained, that the best entries in the franchise have been The Matrix...........and then the Animatrix though.
You are absolutely correct my son.
(https://i.redd.it/67dqwrib7zb21.jpg)
Oh yeah.
https://youtu.be/y-xjtBRA4ck
Yeah The Animatrix is cool.
Haven't seen the Animatrix in a looooong time, but that and the original film are the only entries in the series that I liked. The two sequels were trainwrecks.
Just rewatched The Matrix yesterday. I've probably seen it half a dozen or so times, but it's probably been about five years or so since my last viewing. Loved it just as much now as I did the last time I watched.
I've only seen the sequels once each, probably about a decade ago. Going to rewatch them tonight/tomorrow, I think. I remember finding them to be incredibly messy/convoluted, but also pretty damn fascinating (not unlike Prometheus in that regard, I guess). I look forward to checking them out with my mind pretty open and fresh, since I am incredibly hazy on most of the specifics of each sequel.
I watched The Animatrix for the very first time early this year, and because it had been so long since I'd seen the film trilogy, I treated it essentially a standalone anthology, and I loved it. I look forward to checking it out again after finishing the trilogy, with any context that I likely would have missed during my viewing early this year.
I really can't wait for Resurrections. Even if things are messy (and I'm sure they will be), the Wachowskis (well, just Lana in this case) always take massive, interesting swings (I even have a bit of a soft spot for Jupiter Ascending, even if only for being so earnest about what it is and what it set out to be :D ). This is probably creeping up as one of my most anticipated films for the remainder of the year, to be honest. Who knows, maybe Resurrections will be the Alien: Covenant to Reloaded/Revolutions' Prometheus. ;)
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 29, 2021, 03:17:29 PM
He still had godlike powers in the sequel tho. He knocks the upgrades out in seconds.
Nah. At the conclusion of the first film Neo could fly into programs and destruct them from within.
Then, in the second film, back to fighting programs with Kung fu because...
upgrades! ::)
It all just felt like to me a writer not knowing where to go.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 30, 2021, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 29, 2021, 03:17:29 PM
He still had godlike powers in the sequel tho. He knocks the upgrades out in seconds.
Nah. At the conclusion of the first film Neo could fly into programs and destruct them from within.
Then, in the second film, back to fighting programs with Kung fu because... upgrades! ::)
It all just felt like to me a writer not knowing where to go.
Woulda been a bit of a shit film. I didn't mind it, the "upgrades" fit with the theme of the movies since the programs would never have to be written to beat anyone other than a regular human.
Revisited the sequels. The structure and pacing of Reloaded is an absolute mess, Revolutions is basically a two hour long third act for the previous film... and I don't hate them! In fact, for all of their many, many issues, I find them incredibly captivating in what it is that they're saying about the nature of control and autonomy within systems explicitly designed to counter such notions of free will.
These are also movies that aren't afraid to use a bowling pin sound effect in the middle of an action scene so you know, there's that. :D
Getting incredibly curious to see what Lana does with this new one now, 'cause I think there is a lot that can be expanded upon with that idea in today's world.
Quote from: Highland on Aug 31, 2021, 04:10:48 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 30, 2021, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 29, 2021, 03:17:29 PM
He still had godlike powers in the sequel tho. He knocks the upgrades out in seconds.
Nah. At the conclusion of the first film Neo could fly into programs and destruct them from within.
Then, in the second film, back to fighting programs with Kung fu because... upgrades! ::)
It all just felt like to me a writer not knowing where to go.
Woulda been a bit of a shit film. I didn't mind it, the "upgrades" fit with the theme of the movies since the programs would never have to be written to beat anyone other than a regular human.
Nah, to me, better writing was called for here. Since Neo could fly into programs and destruct them within, the machines needed an Anti-Neo, a human that they were able to somehow infect, recruit and patch in the Matrix to fight back Neo from bringing the truth to the human race. Then we could have still had our Kung fu, Superman versus Superman battles and it wouldn't have been a sh*t film. :)
Smith is essentially that "anti-Neo" in the sequels. He's an anomoly that transcends his original programming, breaks free of his restrictions and gains free will, and can control/manipulate the Matrix as he sees fit. An AI "One" in opposition to Neo as the human "One" that is reborn/recreated in each iteration of the Matrix. I think making the "anti-Neo" someone firmly aligned with the machines wouldn't have quite gelled with the theme the sequels were playing with.
There's absolutely some really wonky writing in the sequels that doesn't work the way it should, but I don't mind the quick "Upgrades" comment to level the playing field a bit between Neo and the Agents, especially when, like so much else in the sequels, it ends up playing into this idea of humanity and the machines/AI as two sides of a coin in a system built upon cycles of controlled, repeated violence throughout history, throughout numerous reboots/iterations of the Matrix. The simulation keeps the fight going by any means necessary (including some quick "Upgrades," I guess, to counter Neo's growing powers) because that's what the system intends to use to keep the "free thinkers" in line, the belief that the conflict they are engaged in is the real fight while keeping their eyes off of the true issue at hand that is pulling the strings behind the curtain and orchestrating these repeated cycles.
I honestly wish there were more bowling pin moments and fewer pompous speeches. :laugh:
In that regard, "Upgrades" is also a quick way to just throw another fight at the audience in between Philosophy 101 lessons. :D
I liked the Upgrades comment.
Yeah, it still doesn't jive for me and I don't think it ever will. At the end of The Matrix, physical objects, bullets, etc. can't hurt Neo. Programs can't. He could see the Matrix for all what it was now: code and delve within and disrupt programs. This is what the character earned in the first movie, but then the sequel was walked back with - Upgraded code? So back to physical Kung Fu?
I appreciate the majestic way you described it though NA! :)
He still could see the Matrix the way it was. He knew the Seraph was program. He was stopping bullets, flying and entering other characters (see Philippinian heart massage performed on Trinity). Neo was gradually upgrading his powers and expanding them to real world. I like Matrix sequels for what they were. It's nearly impossible to capture the wow! effect of first movie and the sequels tried hard enough IMO.
It's kinda funny what the matrix became. I remember seeing the trailer with my mates and I swear we all pissed ourselves at the helicopter bit ( Trinity smashing into the glass etc) and I'm sure other folk did too. That's pretty strange especially for a UK audience who usually only laugh at movies that are meant to be funny.
It was so much more over the top than anything anyone had seen at that time - like what the hell is this movie! I remember being mind blown after it though. A good experience!
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(https://c.tenor.com/pyoI9RIQvYYAAAAd/animatrix.gif)
Just rewatched The Animatrix yesterday, actually. Love it. "A Detective Story" and "Metriculated" are the two major standouts, in my opinion.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Sep 02, 2021, 11:09:50 PM
https://c.tenor.com/pyoI9RIQvYYAAAAd/animatrix.gif
Beyond was always my favorite.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 02, 2021, 11:22:41 PM
Just rewatched The Animatrix yesterday, actually. Love it. "A Detective Story" and "Metriculated" are the two major standouts, in my opinion.
Detective Story is definitely my favorite.
For me it's probably Beyond with Matriculated and The Second Renaissance coming pretty close, I'm also personally really fond of World Record, I liked but didn't love A Detective Story.
Beyond has such an intense wonder and melancholy to it that perfectly vibes with the age I was when The Animatrix was released. I like all the shorts but Beyond is the only one with real emotional resonance to me.
For the reasons above, it is beyond.
But it's been years since I watched any of them so maybe a rewatch is in order.
Definitely worth it. I hit it up like once a year for max NOSTALGIA feels, as well as pretty much all of it being legitimately great.
Have to give it a watch again soon.
Speaking as someone that only just watched it for the first time this year (and has now seen it twice) with no nostalgic attachment, The Animatrix holds up incredibly well. Really incredible stuff.
https://www.whatisthematrix.com/
Also:
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https://twitter.com/_r_williams_/status/1435261366240153602
Go on the website and select the pills to see footage from the trailer. Looks cool!
Quote from: T Dog on Sep 07, 2021, 04:13:31 PM
Go on the website and select the pills to see footage from the trailer. Looks cool!
Just checked it out. 8) I'm very, very intrigued.....
Seems to me that the first act is probably going to be a truncated quasi-remake of the original film that gets all of the familiar beats out of the way quick before "waking up" and contorting this movie (and the previous ones) into something pretty different and unexpected.
Lots of new footage on the website! Be sure to choose both pills multiple times as there's new shots in there even after multiple rewatches.
It's going to take a bit to get used to the fact that Bill Pope isn't doing the cinematography on this one, as it definitely has a different look to it. But then every other shot is something that looks very Matrix-y, if not a direct quote of a shot from the original film. So a new style, but an exciting one!
Definitely looking forward to the full thing!
I've done a few variations, very interesting indeed.
Simulatte huh?
Reportedly where the Harris character (replacement for Col. Sanders) hangs out.
Hmm. Will we have a "Mad Max: Fury Road" on our hands... or a "Terminator: Dark Fate". Place your bets!
Fury Road.
I'll take either over a
The Force Awakens. ;)
Watching through the clips a few times over, and that's definitely Neil Patrick Harris narrating the Blue Pill side. Seems like his character (in the CinemaCon footage he was playing Neo's therapist) must be a program trying to keep Neo contained within the Matrix and suppressing Neo's memories.
I think based on some of the imagery on display here, there seems to be a very good chance that Yahya Abdul-Mateen II's character could very well be a younger, "rebooted" Morpheus. Only time will tell though.
I honestly really wasn't expecting the footage to look as impressive as it does, especially with Bill Pope not shooting this one. But like,
damn.(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-sfy8mUUAMvnF5?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-sfzlfVQAYCu31?format=jpg&name=large)
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Even if this thing winds up being a mess (and it very well could, just as
Reloaded and
Revolutions were), it is going to be a damn good looking mess, and hopefully as interesting conceptually as it is pretty. Do your thing, Lana. Whatever this winds up being, I'm along for the ride.
Potential spoilers:
Spoiler
https://twitter.com/ViewerAnon/status/1435285295172399107]
Ok, yeah, you very much have my curiosity with this thing.
Between these teasers and Candyman, Yahya really needs to stay away from mirrors. :laugh:
Thinking more about the Tweet I spoiler tagged above...
Spoiler
So if this is going that meta with the material, I wonder if the "real world" that we've been privy to in previous films was a simulation in and of itself? With the original film trilogy serving as the confines of the system in which to control the events happening within, perpetuating an endless cycle of uprisings/rebellions against the machines over and over again (a la the endless controlled cycles of sequels/remakes/reboots... much like this film is, at the end of the day) and now positioning events within the confines of this system in a place where one can break free of that cyclical, repeating narrative?
Welcome to the real real world, this time.
Blah blah blah, etc etc etc, rambling on like this guy:
(https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*OlY_7egaXZYKJu3QZYmANA.jpeg)
It really isn't a bit, huh?
https://twitter.com/benmekler/status/1430333824710238212
God, I can't wait for the proper trailer for this thing. I can't wait for the movie itself. Never expected to be this damn excited for it.
EDIT:
Spoiler
https://twitter.com/ViewerAnon/status/1435287901651324928
I've read some spoilers that seem to have been confirmed by these tweets. It's going to take a very big swing, that's for sure.
I'm 100% in.
Trailer now live at the above link!
Lana just goin' full Wachowski on this one. :D 8)
Looks good. Perhaps it will be? And be the best Matrix sequel?
At least I'm interested to see more. :)
Visually this really puts into perspective just how muddy a lot of today's blockbusters with comparatively similar budgets, special effects, etc. look. Even Marvel's most vibrant movies don't really come close. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 is the only one that really breaks their aesthetic mold in any significant way, and it is all the better for it, but really it is the sole exception that proves the rule.
Lana is just going all out here. This is some real genuine blockbuster filmmaking in top form, by one of the filmmakers who helped redefine what this sort of movie could be back in 1999. The Matrix: Resurrections could be a mess (and it might very well be) but it is going to be an interesting one, at the very least, and I cannot wait. This is basically at the top of my list alongside my most anticipated movies for the remainder of the year.
Crossing my fingers and hoping (and expecting, really) that all the familiar beats that we're seeing here in the trailer are basically confined to the first act rather than full on Force Awakensing this for its entire runtime. And I have faith that that will be the case. I expect that once Neo and Trinity "wake up" we are going to be in for something pretty radically different than what came before. Otherwise, there isn't really much of a point in doing this. And I really don't see Lana coming back just to retread old ground. Knowing where a lot of Lana's interests lie, and riffing off of some reported leaks from a while ago, it seems like we're going to be getting something of a metatextual commentary on the nature of these cyclical reboots/reimaginings over time, what with Neo and Trinity re-waking up into a "new" real world.
"Back to the Matrix."
EDIT:
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-2P4OHXoAI__PL?format=jpg&name=medium)
Oh yeah, we're going for more of a metatextual read on the material this time around.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 09, 2021, 01:49:29 PM
Visually this really puts into perspective just how muddy a lot of today's blockbusters with comparatively similar budgets, special effects, etc. look. Even Marvel's most vibrant movies don't really come close. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 is the only one that really breaks their aesthetic mold in any significant way, and it is all the better for it, but really it is the sole exception that proves the rule.
I can post beautiful screenshot after beautiful screenshot of the first "Guardians of the Galaxy" film and counter this all day. ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/0BvfRw6/IMG-20210909-095932.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0Gq2CXc/IMG-20210909-095846.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/WDL9N0Q/Guardians-Of-The-Galaxy-NK-FINALCC-GRD26-ft-dom-t2-v25rev-wt6-088923.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/CbS0LPV/IMG-20210909-095822.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/F369wxy/IMG-20210909-095728.jpg)
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(https://i.ibb.co/WB41c1j/gerald-blaise-superhero-wallpaper-the-milano-in-flight-by-mcnealy-d76yv86-1500.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/WvNFC0g/Marvel-s-Guardians-Of-The-Galaxy-L-to-R-Drax-the-Destroyer-Dave-Bautista-Gamora-Zoe-Saldana-Groot-vo.jpg)
Thor Ragnarok has some wonderful stuff too!
Yeah but it's really just them three and parts of Infinity War.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Sep 09, 2021, 02:31:00 PM
Yeah but it's really just them three and parts of Infinity War.
That I won't debate you on. :)
I do have to revisit Dr. Strange though...
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 09, 2021, 01:49:29 PM
Visually this really puts into perspective just how muddy a lot of today's blockbusters with comparatively similar budgets, special effects, etc. look. Even Marvel's most vibrant movies don't really come close. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 is the only one that really breaks their aesthetic mold in any significant way, and it is all the better for it, but really it is the sole exception that proves the rule.
Lana is just going all out here. This is some real genuine blockbuster filmmaking in top form, by one of the filmmakers who helped redefine what this sort of movie could be back in 1999. The Matrix: Resurrections could be a mess (and it might very well be) but it is going to be an interesting one, at the very least, and I cannot wait. This is basically at the top of my list alongside my most anticipated movies for the remainder of the year.
Crossing my fingers and hoping (and expecting, really) that all the familiar beats that we're seeing here in the trailer are basically confined to the first act rather than full on Force Awakensing this for its entire runtime. And I have faith that that will be the case. I expect that once Neo and Trinity "wake up" we are going to be in for something pretty radically different than what came before. Otherwise, there isn't really much of a point in doing this. And I really don't see Lana coming back just to retread old ground. Knowing where a lot of Lana's interests lie, and riffing off of some reported leaks from a while ago, it seems like we're going to be getting something of a metatextual commentary on the nature of these cyclical reboots/reimaginings over time, what with Neo and Trinity re-waking up into a "new" real world.
"Back to the Matrix."
EDIT:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-2P4OtXsAAISXV?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-2P4OHXoAI__PL?format=jpg&name=medium)
Oh yeah, we're going for more of a metatextual read on the material this time around.
I had very similiar thoughts earlier about how I hope the reboot stuff is just the first act. It kinda makes sense lore wise since we learn in one of the movies there's always a "One" and everything is programmed; "White Rabbit" etc. But yeah hopefully the whole movie isn't just a reboot of the first one.
I'm not too worried about it becoming a "Force Awakens" though because Keanu is such a massive draw when it comes to blockbuster action movies that I don't think he'll be passing the torch or anything.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 09, 2021, 02:11:49 PM
I can post beautiful screenshot after beautiful screenshot of the first "Guardians of the Galaxy" film and counter this all day. ;D
The exception that proves the rule.
Most Marvel stuff looks awful.
Eternals is being hyped as this "revelatory cinematic experience" and it mostly looks like a grey, contrast free stain.
By who? Eternals' not even out.
It looks outstanding, but the plot is what makes or breaks it for me, as it always does.
https://twitter.com/ViewerAnon/status/1435999526725333004
https://twitter.com/ViewerAnon/status/1436002529498775557
I think those real world shoots with hovercraft and human farm is from later part of the movie.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 09, 2021, 01:20:58 PM
Just saw the trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWHqLJHss9U
If you say so.
Quote from: Master on Sep 09, 2021, 05:03:10 PM
I think those real world shoots with hovercraft and human farm is from later part of the movie.
Certain parts in this and the teasers are quantifiably near the end,
most of it's not. Although I'm not talking about those shots.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 09, 2021, 06:53:23 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 09, 2021, 01:20:58 PM
Just saw the trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWHqLJHss9U
If you say so.
Quote from: Master on Sep 09, 2021, 05:03:10 PM
I think those real world shoots with hovercraft and human farm is from later part of the movie.
Certain parts in this and the teasers are quantifiably near the end, most of it's not. Although I'm not talking about those shots.
We've got a source here, eh? Spoil me !
https://youtu.be/tnVqe3rGMkg
I'm honestly so ready
Quote from: Master on Sep 09, 2021, 07:01:40 PM
We've got a source here, eh? Spoil me !
Trustworthy leaks from the filming stage suggest that the scene with neo and trinity leaping off the sky scraper (most likely shortly after that airbender stuff with the rockets and helicopters), while being chased by a swarm of NPCs, is from the climax. Could be bullshit, but hey.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Sep 09, 2021, 04:49:01 PM
By who? Eternals' not even out.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/apr/30/chloe-zhaos-the-eternals-will-be-a-quantum-shift-for-marvel
:o :o :o :o qUaNtUm ShIfT :o :o :o :o
https://twitter.com/ViewerAnon/status/1436001502968139782
https://twitter.com/ViewerAnon/status/1436054704652423171
https://twitter.com/ViewerAnon/status/1436058793658494984
Deja Vu hehe
I liked the trailer up until the last line. I did not need to cringe my anus up into my lungs today but here I am.
Otherwise I'm keen.
I love the shot with Neo wearing a rubber duck for a hat. :laugh:
Quote from: SiL on Sep 09, 2021, 10:53:22 PM
I liked the trailer up until the last line. I did not need to cringe my anus up into my lungs today but here I am.
Otherwise I'm keen.
Kinda a spoiler:
Spoiler
You're probably gonna hate this then.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Sep 09, 2021, 10:54:30 PM
I love the shot with Neo wearing a rubber duck for a hat. :laugh:
That shot sold me.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Sep 09, 2021, 11:05:39 PM
Kinda a spoiler:
Spoiler
You're probably gonna hate this then.
Spoiler
Or it'll be just the deconstruction I need. I don't hate the line itself, I just hate how it's used in the trailer.
That's fair, I myself, was just glad we didn't sit though two and a half minutes of endless Inception bwams.
Lana and the co-writers will be discussing the movie soon:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rtLbghso0Zc
Getting meta-juicy up in here.
Oooo thanks for the heads up. Will be at work when that goes live but I'll be checking it out tomorrow evening for sure. 8)
Also, during the countdown to the trailer, the score was very synth heavy, Vangelis-esque.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Sep 10, 2021, 01:26:49 AM
Also, during the countdown to the trailer, the score was very synth heavy, Vangelis-esque.
Aye, I had the same thoughts. Tom Tykwer is composing this one.
I looked for an upload of the track after the trailer premiere but couldn't find one. I wonder if anyone backed it up?
Yeah was searching but couldn't find anything. They'll probably drop some tracks soon though.
So the premise is basically season 6 of Lost ;D
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Sep 10, 2021, 01:26:49 AM
Also, during the countdown to the trailer, the score was very synth heavy, Vangelis-esque.
Ah Vangelis. It's been a long time since I thought of them. You're making me want to re-watch The Bounty!
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Sep 10, 2021, 12:33:38 AM
Lana and the co-writers will be discussing the movie soon:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rtLbghso0Zc
Getting meta-juicy up in here.
This is now public.
Awesome trailer, awesome song choice.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 10, 2021, 12:26:15 PM
Ah Vangelis. It's been a long time since I thought of them. You're making me want to re-watch The Bounty!
He still does some pretty good stuff:
https://open.spotify.com/track/6l6eGJDCe2d0sEsgJNi2cU?si=b07dfad285e748ff
(https://i.imgur.com/XcH6BQA.jpg)
🤣🤣🤣
Yay! john Wick is back!
Spoiler
(https://i.redd.it/x7wb88dyqvm71.jpg)
https://theplaylist.net/lana-wachowski-the-matrix-parents-death-20210913/
New photos
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No as far as I'm concerned.
It's a ghost who is also an agent who is also Morpheus.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 07, 2021, 03:41:04 AM
It's a ghost who is also an agent who is also Morpheus.
His also Batman. Got batsign beside him and is... well... black.
Quote from: Master on Nov 07, 2021, 07:21:36 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 07, 2021, 03:41:04 AM
It's a ghost who is also an agent who is also Morpheus.
His also Batman. Got batsign beside him and is... well... black.
Time for the Wayne's to get it again.
What's the count now? It's gotta be some kind of record.
Quote from: Master on Nov 07, 2021, 07:21:36 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 07, 2021, 03:41:04 AM
It's a ghost who is also an agent who is also Morpheus.
His also Batman. Got batsign beside him and is... well... black.
That's an edit because the shot and actor are reminiscent of the Seal music video for Kiss From A Rose.
New posters
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(https://s8d8.turboimg.net/sp/91bf061e8561fff8e346da0f78ea850f/mat4p3.jpg)
Yee
"Return to the Source"... I hope that means the random giant baby is back. :laugh:
One can only hope!
New character posters
(https://s8d4.turboimg.net/sp/0d99389a9c69745c4226d680a191a80e/mat4p5.jpg)
https://twitter.com/JordanMaison/status/1463159291209293832
All the leaks are pretty well confirmed at this point. Seems like it'll be weird enough that I'm fine with being completely spoiled for months.
https://twitter.com/gauchomarx98/status/1463878871711764484
Sounds promising.
https://twitter.com/TheMatrixMovie/status/1463981914985938948
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 25, 2021, 08:11:50 PM
https://twitter.com/gauchomarx98/status/1463878871711764484
Not like the first one actually went with green
that much anyway, it's really a sequels/remaster thing. OG versions of the first one are actually very blue and red.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 26, 2021, 01:17:50 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 25, 2021, 08:11:50 PM
https://twitter.com/gauchomarx98/status/1463878871711764484
Not like the first one actually went with green that much anyway, it's really a sequels/remaster thing. OG versions of the first one are actually very blue and red.
Yep. I actually like it a lot in the sequels, but was very glad to see the new 4K restorations remove it from the original.
The color grade on the new one actually feels very in line with the new "rebooted" Matrix generated at the end of
Revolutions.
Well you'd kinda hope for that continuity.
It doesn't look nearly as much like a windows screensaver in the trailers, though. ;D
Tempting but I'll wait.
https://twitter.com/EW/status/1465727334917488651
(https://s8d5.turboimg.net/sp/1b7af36efeefc397ca1f07d078967dc1/mat43.jpg)
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Tickets go on sale December 6th.
EDIT: Been obsessing over and rewatching this teaser since since it released yesterday. This movie has honestly had the most exciting promotional material for a big franchise reboot/continuation since... probably
Mad Max: Fury Road in 2015 (I can't speak for
Blade Runner 2049, since I avoided all promo materials for that one in order to go in completely blind).
I think, if there is another full trailer for this before the film releases later this month, I'm going to skip out on watching it. We're
so close now, and even with what I know about the movie from the marketing I still really feel like there's no way I can pinpoint what it is
actually about, and I would like to keep it that way so that I can step into the theater still knowing as little as possible on release night.
What they Changed here was the lockdown levels, so I can't go see this at the movies now. :-\
New trailer tomorrow
https://twitter.com/hbomax/status/1467658894898040833
Quote from: ace3g on Dec 06, 2021, 01:29:25 AM
New trailer tomorrow
https://twitter.com/hbomax/status/1467658894898040833
I've seen more than enough promo material to be sold at this point; I will not be watching this trailer. Can't wait for the movie itself to release!
Did not watch the new trailer.
Did purchase IMAX tickets.
Haven't watched it either... but there it is for those who want to. That first teaser was just so good, don't want to know any more.
That trailer brought tears to my eyes in a positive way. 🥺
New clip
So far the music and some of the "hopefully unfinished effects" in the early trailers were off-putting, later stuff has me more intrigued
the guy getting chucked out of the amtrack still looks hella bad, reminds me of when they abandoned practical effects in the second and third movies for human vs human action scenes for cgi
but I'll still see it.
Really liked the first 30 min but overall didn't feel it at all sadly, mainly due to poor execution. One of the ugliest uncinematic shot with a phone looking film I have seen in the cinema. Not sure if I prefer Revolutions to this, though Resurrections did have some interesting bits, I liked the premise.
Keanu acting was top notch though.
I thought it was alright, but I was never a big Matrix fan anyway so I'm not emotionally invested in the series.
The day tickets went on sale for this a few weeks back, I immediately booked tickets for the very first IMAX screening. Along with
The Green Knight and
Dune, this has been right up there as one of my most anticipated movies of the year. Unfortunately, this morning, I wound up canceling that IMAX screening I had booked – where I'm located COVID has been rearing its ugly head in pretty terrible fashion these last few weeks and I've been a bit under the weather myself, so I made the tough call and decided that I just really didn't want to bring my potentially-weakened immune system into a packed, opening day theater crowd and opted to watch on HBO Max instead.
Anyways, I hope that at some point after the Christmas season I'm able to get a screening of this in at a relatively empty theater because
The Matrix: Resurrections really does scream for that big screen treatment.
Spoiler
This is not "The Matrix 4." It's an epilogue, a commentary, and a totally earnest romance in one swing, standing on its own two feet as a contained film. Unlike so many similar contemporary returns to big franchises in this vein, Resurrections feels like the product of an actual person calling the shots. The love story, which would be the B-plot at best in a film of this sort traditionally, is genuine and takes center stage here, and on the peripheral Resurrections is downright scathing of the modes of control – focus groups, test audiences, etc. – that steer the general direction of the entertainment landscape we currently inhabit (if the body of the film didn't make it clear enough, stick around for the credit scene – I'm sure it'll have everyone obsessing over the next big thing coming in a month before the next big thing coming in a month before the next big thing coming in a‐), but also genuinely hopeful and earnest in its own tale. The film can be messy at times, but messy in the way any work of the human hand might be. I love it and already can't wait to spend further time with this film on rewatch.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2021, 11:10:55 PM
Spoiler
This is not "The Matrix 4." It's an epilogue, a commentary, and a totally genuine and earnest romance in one swing, standing on its own two feet as a contained film. Unlike so many similar contemporary returns to big franchises in this vein, Resurrections feels like the product of an actual person calling the shots. The love story, which would be the B-plot at best in a film of this sort traditionally, is earnest and genuine and takes center stage here, and on the peripheral Resurrections is downright scathing of the modes of control – focus groups, test audiences, etc. – that steer the general direction of the entertainment landscape we currently inhabit (if the body of the film didn't make it clear enough, stick around for the credit scene – I'm sure it'll have everyone obsessing over the next big thing coming in a month before the next big thing coming in a month before the next big thing coming in a‐), but also genuinely hopeful and earnest in its own tale. The film can be messy at times, but messy in the way any work of the human hand might be. I love it and already can't wait to spend further time with this film on rewatch.
Spoiler
Didn't stick around for the post credits scene. Thought the romance was the most interesting aspect of it but even that felt half baked like everything else, the story and it's conclusion felt unearned. The first 30min were interesting but then it went to more familiar territory to become an actual sequel/continuation of the trilogy and tries hard holding audiences hand and explain everything like we were 5. Having the commentary while never being above it doesn't make the film good. Though I do understand why some actually might like this.
It's an interesting premise for a sequel, but it didn't deliver. The mediocre action, poor editing, lack of atmosphere, no sense of any danger, unmemorable side characters, non stop jokes make it the worst in the series for me:
The Matrix 8.5 (A classic that changed the cinema, least dated of the trilogy)
Animatrix 8
Reloaded 6.9 (action is awesome, action really lacks these days)
Revolutions 5.5 (not that bad, doesn't bring anything new to the table and a bit chore to watch)
Resurrections 4.5 (more I think about it worse it gets, tbf needed to pee during first viewing, which might have ruined the enjoinment a bit)
Haven't seen it yet but even I feel that it looked poorly shot and some of the effects looked downright amateurish.
You can always cover the dodgy looking effects in the matrix series by saying gee, its in a simulation, but there was something off putting about it by even in the trailers.
But who knows, game wise I remember thinking the RE2 remake trailers were very underwhelming and it ended up being pretty solid.
I thought it looked fantastic in 4k HDR10.
Interesting detail in the film that I didn't pick up on at first...
Spoiler
"Tiffany's" husband Chad is played by Chad Stahelski, probably best known now for directing the John Wick movies, but even more relevant here is that he did stunt work in the original Matrix trilogy and was a stunt double for Keanu Reeves. So "Tiffany," in the new Matrix that the machines built to contain Trinity and Neo, is literally married to a fake/artificial Neo in a meta sense (and in keeping Chad's real-life first name, Lana was 100% directly playing into that). Lovely bit of thematic layering, emphasizing the sort of hollow existence that Neo and Trinity's lives were, and what they were longing for, until they were finally, properly reunited in the film's third act.
Apart from N A, I have heard nothing but negativity surrounding this.
Heard it was a mix of sequel and remake with a good dose of nostalgia :laugh:
(https://s10.gifyu.com/images/RoxS.gif)
You mean, like ...
Spoiler
Nostalgia Bukkake ?
Oh yeaaah, a thousand of times yeah 👉🏻👈🏻
Well it wasn't good. A few good ideas, but poorly executed. The directing, especially, was lacking. Surprising and disappointing coming from a Wachowski.
Never it was subversive like it used to be, never it made me feel like I was watching something I never saw before like in the first trilogy.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 23, 2021, 06:37:53 PM
Well it wasn't good. A few good ideas, but poorly executed. The directing, especially, was lacking. Surprising and disappointing coming from a Wachowksi.
Never it was subversive like it used to be, never it made me feel like I was watching something I never saw before like in the first trilogy.
Pretty much! I wanted to like this movie, and apart of me still does...but it's so hard when it fails in every level I can think of.
Plus it felt at times that even itself was confused with who or what the hell was even going on....I mean, do we really know if there was really any danger going on? It tries to tell us that there is but I never once felt like anyone was truly in trouble and it was certainly trying to do otherwise...
Hmm, watched it last night. I did miss Fishburne and Hugo Weaving and I wish they'd have just brought in new characters instead of recasting core characters. I know a lot of people didn't like Revolutions but I loved the attack on Zion. There just didn't seem to be a lot of action in this one.
I always hoped they'd do a prequel movie series showing how the machines came to take over the world in the first place. It just seemed in the trilogy that Neo's story had already been told so there was no need for this one.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 23, 2021, 02:32:23 PM
Interesting detail in the film that I didn't pick up on at first...
Spoiler
"Tiffany's" husband Chad is played by Chad Stahelski, probably best known now for directing the John Wick movies, but even more relevant here is that he did stunt work in the original Matrix trilogy and was a stunt double for Keanu Reeves. So "Tiffany," in the new Matrix that the machines built to contain Trinity and Neo, is literally married to a fake/artificial Neo in a meta sense (and in keeping Chad's real-life first name, Lana was 100% directly playing into that). Lovely bit of thematic layering, emphasizing the sort of hollow existence that Neo and Trinity's lives were, and what they were longing for, until they were finally, properly reunited in the film's third act.
To add a bit more to this:
Spoiler
That also kind of gets down to why I loved the romance being the central focus in this film, and the bond formed between Neo and Trinity together essentially being the "One" now, rather than either individual. In The Matrix it is that love that allows Trinity to bring Neo back. In The Matrix: Reloaded, after confronting the Architect, it is Neo's love for Trinity that allows him to make a choice that no previous iteration of the One had ever made and thus go against the cyclical programming that the machines had set in motion and take autonomy into his own hands. Moving that romance out of the peripheral and making it what The Matrix: Resurrections is all about just feels like the right extension of the material, and a wonderful send-off for these characters, this world, and this era of Lana's/the Wachowskis' filmmaking careers.
I don't see either Wachowski doing anything else related to The Matrix again in their careers, but I am excited to see whatever they do next, together or apart, beyond this. Hit or miss, each one of their works feels like the product of filmmakers truly making the things they want to see the way they want to see them, and that is so very exciting to me.
Sadly its true, this really is POOR. The whole thing felt very low budget with a cheap TV show feel to it, not a movie. The editing, fight coriography special effects, all last gen. The only part that brought a grin was the rehashed kung fu scene but even this was short lived and poorly executed. The worst part of all of it though had to be the casting, each character was just awful especially agent Smith or whatever he was. Just seemed like the more purple hair and daft stlyed haircuts they threw at they thought would be good enough.
How can cinema go backwards so much. Another in a long list of crap.
Quote from: dave1978 on Dec 24, 2021, 12:21:50 PM
especially agent Smith or whatever he was.
Some spoilery musings on that:
Spoiler
This is something I was initially mixed on – both Smith being back in the first place, and Groff's performance, but the more I sit with it the more I've come around to it. If the machines resurrected Neo, then of course Smith would be back in some capacity as well, since he was directly tethered to Neo at the time of their deaths. I like the idea that this reincarnated version of him is a shadow of himself, a thorn in everyone's sides, both the humans' and the machines', that really accomplishes nothing beyond beyond being an annoyance but also, neither side can really dispose of him so he's just there in the simulation now, trying to revert things back to what they once were/what he was trying to 'create' in the original trilogy.
Including him but also downplaying him in that capacity also feels very in keeping with the film's criticism of the way everyone and everything from past iterations of a franchise (or, in a narrative sense here, past iterations of the Matrix) has to be brought back to feed a nostalgia-hungry audience in these kinds of 'reboot' films, giving him to us despite the fact that he's been gone, and not at all in the way anyone would have wanted/expected (and then there's the Merovingian's plea for a spinoff, which also serves as real punchline in that ongoing joke).
It should also be added that in this new iteration of Matrix – with the "One" union of Neo and Trinity running the show now – even someone as lowly as this new, sidelined Agent Smith can find some degree of freedom in the end.
I totally get people not caring for this one but the more I sit here and think about it/talk it over, the more I just keep on realizing how much the film is just
right up my alley. So even if I'm relatively alone here in digging it as much as I do, that's cool. I'm holding off until after Christmas before giving it a second viewing, but I am starting to get very, very excited to do so.
So I watched it; it's definiely an interesting movie and I liked the new characters but my big takeaway is that these mega budget Hollywood movies really need to go back to shooting on film because for something that cost so much money to make it really looked like shit at times, with that early 00's hideous Michael Mann shot on digital look about it.
Saw it earlier. It's OK. The first act is the best and most interesting part. It felt overlong and a little too convoluted, with some poorly developed character motivation.
I enjoyed it, but it felt a little unnecessary.
I've never seen Matrix or any of its sequels
I did not understand shit
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 25, 2021, 08:59:27 PM
I've never seen Matrix or any of its sequels
I did not understand shit
Go and play Half-Life
What does that have to do with anything ?
You don't see Alien Resurrection before Alien lol
I would argue one wouldn't be horribly confused by Alien Resurrectiin even without all the prior knowledge of other Alien movies.
Roses are red, violets are blue. I don't watch Matrix movies just as you ~
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 26, 2021, 05:06:11 PM
Roses are red, violets are blue. I don't watch Matrix movies just as you ~
Violets are actually closer to purple in color.
* chirp-chirp.... chirp-chirp.... chirp-chirp *
(crickets)
I'll show myself out.
Violet is in fact it's own colour, which isn't as red as purple but has more red than dark blues.
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 26, 2021, 06:12:44 AM
What does that have to do with anything ?
Your lack of experience with 90's popular culture is exhausting sometimes.
Violet, you're turning violet, Violet!
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 26, 2021, 08:52:12 PM
Your lack of experience with 90's popular culture is exhausting sometimes.
Deal with it 8)
no
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 26, 2021, 08:52:12 PM
Violet is in fact it's own colour, which isn't as red as purple but has more red than dark blues.
Crikey! I've been one upped!
I just wanted to empathize with the comrade but.. :'(
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 26, 2021, 11:09:43 PM
I just wanted to empathize with the comrade but.. :'(
https://s10.gifyu.com/images/You-ruined-everything-the-100-tv-show-37139274-245-150.gif
Nice going cb! >:(
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 26, 2021, 11:56:00 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 26, 2021, 11:09:43 PM
I just wanted to empathize with the comrade but.. :'(
https://s10.gifyu.com/images/You-ruined-everything-the-100-tv-show-37139274-245-150.gif
Nice going cb! >:(
See? ! :'(
https://youtu.be/6Z3QJ4L1Bg0
Fire at will, Local Trouble!
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:laugh:
Watched this last night, it wasn't very good, easily my least favorite Matrix film.
Again, I may lack knowledge of previous Matrix movies but I honestly can't even tell whether that movie was good or bad. On one hand, I didn't like it very much but on the other, it kept me engaged till the end. I was desperate to make SOME sense of what I was seeing
Spoiler
The final shot with Neo and Trinity holding hands flying like bloody Marry Poppins was absolutely hillarious though
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 27, 2021, 05:57:21 PM
Watched this last night, it wasn't very good, easily my least favorite Matrix film.
Do you have the others on physical media?
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 27, 2021, 06:17:07 PM
Again, I may lack knowledge of previous Matrix movies but I honestly can't even tell whether that movie was good or bad. On one hand, I didn't like it very much but on the other, it kept me engaged till the end. I was desperate to make SOME sense of what I was seeing
Spoiler
The final shot with Neo and Trinity holding hands flying like bloody Marry Poppins was absolutely hillarious though
The easy solution is to just.... watch the older movies. They're worth your time and will help recontextualize the new movie (for better or for worse).
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2021, 06:33:18 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 27, 2021, 05:57:21 PM
Watched this last night, it wasn't very good, easily my least favorite Matrix film.
Do you have the others on physical media?
Yeah I bought the 4K versions of the original trilogy pretty recently and gave them a re-watch.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 27, 2021, 11:17:25 PM
Yeah I bought the 4K versions of the original trilogy pretty recently and gave them a re-watch.
Will you feel obligated to get this one as well?
I thought it was ok. It had some interesting concepts in it - really enjoyed the meta-commentary, and I thought it handled reboot/sequel really well. But at the end of it, it just felt unneeded. I'm not likely to want to watch it again anytime soon.
This sucked in ways I couldn't have anticipated and I really wanted to love it.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 28, 2021, 05:19:09 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 27, 2021, 11:17:25 PM
Yeah I bought the 4K versions of the original trilogy pretty recently and gave them a re-watch.
Will you feel obligated to get this one as well?
Not at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpSo4fu1rgM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpSo4fu1rgM)
Happy New Year to all the hack frauds out there ! Hohohoho, motherf**kers ! :)
Here are my thoughts on The Matrix Resurrections...
I f**king LOVED this movie, hot damn!
You ... did ? I genuinely curious to hear your thoughts
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jan 14, 2022, 10:41:26 PM
I f**king LOVED this movie, hot damn!
Current situation means I haven't been able to see it yet, but I suspect I will too. Also interested in reading your thoughts.
First of all they maxed out on the photography this thing looks gorgeous, I WISH all blockbusters nowadays looked THIS good
can't for the life of me get why people say "the directing is poor" really, perhaps there's some misconception on what directing is because this was wonderfully directed & scripted (except for the dialogue which sometimes incorporates modern terminology like "sheeple" which is jarring, but we're literally talking words)
the meta element is really on the nose and that's what's great about it -- I'm tired of some themes having to be subtle with what they want to say, this one goes balls out (much like Don't Look Up) and it works
there's some great expansion on the lore which deserves its own movie or TV series (I'd love another Animatrix based on this), you'll get it when you see it
Glad you enjoyed it. I read the (extremely accurate and comprehensive) leaked plot document at least six months before the film came out and have also read a lot of discussion about it - frankly after reading the leak it didn't feel like the type of thing I need to worry about spoilers with at all in regards to the minutiae not covered there.
The fact some sources are claiming it will lose WB up to $100m is the icing on the cake as well.
Will post more/engage in more discussion when I'm less tired, but for now, bumping my initial post as I firmly sit in the "I loved the movie" camp. 8) Have watched it a second time since then as well.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2021, 11:10:55 PM
The day tickets went on sale for this a few weeks back, I immediately booked tickets for the very first IMAX screening. Along with The Green Knight and Dune, this has been right up there as one of my most anticipated movies of the year. Unfortunately, this morning, I wound up canceling that IMAX screening I had booked – where I'm located COVID has been rearing its ugly head in pretty terrible fashion these last few weeks and I've been a bit under the weather myself, so I made the tough call and decided that I just really didn't want to bring my potentially-weakened immune system into a packed, opening day theater crowd and opted to watch on HBO Max instead.
Anyways, I hope that at some point after the Christmas season I'm able to get a screening of this in at a relatively empty theater because The Matrix: Resurrections really does scream for that big screen treatment.
Spoiler
This is not "The Matrix 4." It's an epilogue, a commentary, and a totally earnest romance in one swing, standing on its own two feet as a contained film. Unlike so many similar contemporary returns to big franchises in this vein, Resurrections feels like the product of an actual person calling the shots. The love story, which would be the B-plot at best in a film of this sort traditionally, is genuine and takes center stage here, and on the peripheral Resurrections is downright scathing of the modes of control – focus groups, test audiences, etc. – that steer the general direction of the entertainment landscape we currently inhabit (if the body of the film didn't make it clear enough, stick around for the credit scene – I'm sure it'll have everyone obsessing over the next big thing coming in a month before the next big thing coming in a month before the next big thing coming in a‐), but also genuinely hopeful and earnest in its own tale. The film can be messy at times, but messy in the way any work of the human hand might be. I love it and already can't wait to spend further time with this film on rewatch.
I didn't think it was as bad as people said either.
A few gripes is that age is finally catching up with my boy Keanu, and his action just isn't the same as it once was. The fighting scenes just aren't as fluid when he's in as they used to be...........but that is expected.
That the characters replacing other characters haven't found themselves in their roles yet. Of the new mains none of them feel like natural fits like they did in the first series. But they aren't terrible either.
That it feels too small scale compared to all the rest.
Which all would be fine IF this movie does well enough to warrant sequels. But poor box office returns is looking like this will be a no go.
Would've been fine as a starting point for a new trilogy, but as the final in the series, if it remains that way, it is disappointing.
I suspect it will be one of those movies that gains popularity the longer it is released and people realize it just isn't the first trilogy, but that it also isn't bad.
Also, if you are going to bald someone in the real world, at least trim their DAMN EYEBROWS to match. I was continually distracted by fuzzy caterpillars resting on the brow.
6.5/10
The thing with Keanu's age is that he kicks a ton of ass in the John Wick movies (and there's, like, at least 2 more of those in active development) so the problem is with the movie and the action direction, not Keanu.
The director of the John Wick movies (who was also the fight choreographer for the first three Matrix movies) is *in Matrix Resurrections*, he plays Trinity's faux husband. Does anyone know if he was handling the action, too? There was kind of only one decent fight in the movie and it was alright, even if it was no John Wick.
Watch Keanu beat the crap out of bad guys in John Wick 4. WITH CANE !
The photography was awful, it looked like a B movie or cheap TV series. You must be watching on a CRT TV,
Quote from: dave1978 on Jan 17, 2022, 11:32:49 AM
The photography was awful, it looked like a B movie or cheap TV series. You must be watching on a CRT TV,
I was about to say it clearly wasn't gorgeous, though I wouldn't say awful either.
New Matrix is like farting in the water. Bubbles are quite funny but then comes the smell...
I finally got through this in 20-30 minute increments. The only thing I can personally appreciate about Resurrections is, next to it, suddenly I don't feel Reloaded and Revolutions is that bad.
Reloaded was never bad, and Revolutions is a drudge if you're not super invested in the metaphysics of the series as opposed to the action, but does resolve things in an appropriate way.
Eh, I'd argue the machines basically pinky swearing not to murder all humans was a little hard to swallow and unsatisfying.
Again, you had to be invested in the metaphysics for it to be satisfying. And the new one shows that not all of them were true to their word.
Is this movie as bad as hardcore fans say?
It's very good if you like the symbolism, and very bad if you just want action. The entire point is that it's a trolly, subjective mess.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 18, 2022, 02:16:58 AM
Is this movie as bad as hardcore fans say?
For me it was. I don't get off on the wink-wink, nudge-nudge, meta stuff. It doesn't get extra points for that. (And I I suspect it will wear off in time for many that do.) And too me what's left is a poorly constructed film. Script. Acting. Pacing. Cinematography. How far ye have fallen Matrix '99!
At least it didn't have any floppy mandibles.
And ADI wasn't involved at all. At least as far as I know
Was the skull in it?
Well, technically,, there were bunch of humans in the movie. And all of them probably had skulls inside their heads
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2022, 08:44:56 PM
At least it didn't have any floppy mandibles.
A worthy merit indeed. Perhaps I've been too harsh.
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 18, 2022, 10:11:06 PM
Well, technically,, there were bunch of humans in the movie. And all of them probably had skulls inside their heads
A common misconception.
Please explain
Finally had the opportunity to watch this in full.
Spoiler
Love it. Love everything about it.
Maybe you just have a thing for movies that have "Resurrection(s)" as their sub-title ?
Good one, but I'd have liked this regardless of the title.
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 20, 2022, 07:01:14 AM
Please explain
Skulls imply casings for some kind of brain, pretty clearly lacking in this movie.
Shouldn't heads turn into horrible messes of skin and muscle tissue without skulls though ?
Now he's just going to quote you saying "horrible mess" and say the film is that, too.
It won't be the first time somebody uses my own words against me
I like your sig btw
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 21, 2022, 07:14:45 AM
Shouldn't heads turn into horrible messes of skin and muscle tissue without skulls though ?
The film was a horrible mess.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 21, 2022, 07:37:48 AM
Now he's just going to quote you saying "horrible mess" and say the film is that, too.
Oops.
The thing is, it wasn't horrible or a mess, if you've seen even just the first one. You may have been filtered though.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 22, 2022, 08:46:15 AM
The thing is, it wasn't horrible or a mess, if you've seen even just the first one. You may have been filtered though.
I've seen the original three, I even rewatched them in 4K fairly recently before the new one came out. I even like the second and third one.
But the 4th one felt very low-budget in comparison, especially when it resorted to 90s TV movie "slow-mo" blur effects. The action lacked stakes, scope, and scale, Keanu Reeves and Carrie Ann Moss seemed bored to be there, the "Agent Smith" thing was pointless and went nowhere (and was especially egregious given how well it was settled in the third movie, Smith absolutely did not need to come back in a sequel).
The meta references very nearly ruined the movie for me, and gone were the philosophical ideas present in the first three movies. The meta stuff didn't even make sense - it was showing scenes directly from the first movie, and playing it off as being "from Neo's video game" or something... except it was showing scenes Neo wasn't present for in the first movie (the opening scene with Trinity fighting the cops, for example) and would have no knowledge of, let alone be able to recreate exactly the way it happened in the first movie. Likewise, when it was showing actual honest to god footage from the first movie, how would Neo think to recreate footage *exactly* the way the
audience saw it in the movie. It was incredibly lazy.
If you (or others) enjoyed the movie, then that's awesome. I'm not one to undermine another person's enjoyment. I *wanted* to like this movie, I was super hyped for another Matrix movies and the possibilities it could offer. What we got just totally fell flat for me.
Fair enough
I can see why it would not be liked.
And I thought they mentioned that the Trinity thing was off at the beginning because it wasn't SWAT that went after her in the original, but regular patrolmen. I think that was Neo's interpretation of the events as told to him by Trinity sometime offscreen.
It takes a little bit of head magic, but I thought most was explainable enough away to not bother me. Even the meta references struck me as what this generations take on philosophy was.
I will be interested to see if over time if this movie doesn't gain somewhat of a cult following and a better score by viewers as time goes by.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 22, 2022, 09:34:51 PM
I was super hyped for another Matrix movies and the possibilities it could offer.
The movie may have been very intentionally giving you the middle finger.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 22, 2022, 10:19:40 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 22, 2022, 09:34:52 PM
I was super hyped for another Matrix movies and the possibilities it could offer.
The movie may have been very intentionally giving you the middle finger.
(https://i.imgur.com/lhA20cW.jpeg)
Yes, that one.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 22, 2022, 10:19:39 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 22, 2022, 09:34:51 PM
I was super hyped for another Matrix movies and the possibilities it could offer.
The movie may have been very intentionally giving you the middle finger.
Hold up, so the movie was directly targeting the fans of the prior movies and those looking forward to a new one, and deliberately telling them to f**k themselves?
And this somehow makes the movie... good?
A movie that wouldn't exist without the success and popularity of the prior movies?
lolwut
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 22, 2022, 11:09:50 PM
A movie that wouldn't exist without the success and popularity of the prior movies?
And ? So what ?
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 23, 2022, 12:16:48 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 22, 2022, 11:09:50 PM
A movie that wouldn't exist without the success and popularity of the prior movies?
And ? So what ?
Telling your own fanbase to "get f**ked" is called biting the hand that feeds you, and tends to not go over great with the audience that made the franchise successful.
There's probably a reason why the 4th movie is the lowest rated in the series on IMDb by a full point.
I might have to watch it again, but I don't think that was the point.
I mean one of the creators of the og series is the creator of this one. Are they telling themselves to get f**ked?
I thought it was more a commentary on the cynical nature of todays population and the general distrust on what is conveyed on the media as being truth and how one should react and shouldn't.
The media being all the characters telling neo what is real and what isn't.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 23, 2022, 12:26:47 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 23, 2022, 12:16:48 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 22, 2022, 11:09:50 PM
A movie that wouldn't exist without the success and popularity of the prior movies?
And ? So what ?
Telling your own fanbase to "get f**ked" is called biting the hand that feeds you, and tends to not go over great with the audience that made the franchise successful.
There's probably a reason why the 4th movie is the lowest rated in the series on IMDb by a full point.
I mean, it's obvious that flipping off your audience is gonna infuriate many people. Doesn't necessarily make movie bad though. Lousy script, acting, actio n and special effects (I'm listing criticisms I've heard other people have, not mine) do
Well I hear all of your arguments. What I think is the biggest gripe I have with this one is how it mannaged to make this world so small. Insted of having many fractions in both machines and humans, fighting to get the symbol which is NEO on their side, we have machines vs humans 2.0 with much weaker plot and senseless reveal.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 23, 2022, 01:53:45 AM
I might have to watch it again, but I don't think that was the point.
I mean one of the creators of the og series is the creator of this one. Are they telling themselves to get f**ked?
The creator coming back to make it means they're personally the ones telling the audience to get f**ked.
I've seen articles where critics and reviewers contextualized the movie as WB basically giving Wachowski a blank check do whatever she wanted with a sequel (similar to Zack Snyder getting to do whatever he wanted with the director's cut of Justice League) and what we got with Matrix 4 is her doing exactly that.
That doesn't necessarily mean she's being cynical and actually genuinely flipping off her audience; I'm not sure I agree that that's what she's doing, but if it is what she's doing then it definitely undermines the movie and doesn't garner any good will. I've seen articles where she said that making the movie was her way of working through trauma (I can't recall exactly what the trauma was offhand), and *not* wanting to tackle that trauma was the reason why her sister didn't want to work on the movie.
Quote from: Master on Jan 23, 2022, 12:26:17 PM
Well I hear all of your arguments. What I think is the biggest gripe I have with this one is how it mannaged to make this world so small. Insted of having many fractions in both machines and humans, fighting to get the symbol which is NEO on their side, we have machines vs humans 2.0 with much weaker plot and senseless reveal.
I think this is the main complaint. It is essentially a retelling of the original but somehow with a smaller plot.
I think this would work if it was the start of another trilogy, but it isnt making enough money to be more than just a one off.
I don't see this as a trilogy-starter at all, nor do I see it as a finale to the story (Revolutions remains that). This is much more an epilogue/coda and, prominently, a very contained romance - and a very personal one at that. More intimate in scale, and personal to these specific characters, and to Lana Wachowski herself. If in The Matrix, the romance was the backdrop to the much bigger conflict at play, then in Resurrections we're really seeing the inverse of that structure. There's a war going on, but what's really going to make everything ok is these two resurrected beings - these two halves of a singular entity, really - coming together. And The Matrix is a franchise that put its foot down right from movie number one and established the love between Neo and Trinity as being strong enough to literally bring Neo back to life, so hey, if the shoe fits!
A lot of it clicks into place even more, knowing what compelled Lana to actually agree to make the film this time, after years of Warner Bros pestering her and her sister to come back and eventually threatening that, with or without the Wachowskis, a "Matrix 4" would eventually happen.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHUKVmTXMAk-xsN?format=jpg&name=large)
Revolutions finished the story, completed the cycle innate to the original trilogy. Resurrections is much smaller, and sets out to do something different with its characters in the wake of that - and for me, at least, it succeeds. I don't want any more Matrix movies, and certainly not without either Wachowski at the helm. I got everything I could ever want out of it and more, now. And honestly, with all of the shit happening in the world right now, on a personal scale and at large, this kind of earnest, hopeful sentiment in the face of hardship is something I find myself really enamored with right now.
And as for the film having disdain for its audience - I don't think that's entirely accurate. This is a movie with its intent so genuine, and its heart on its sleeve the entire time. But also, one that recognizes that the only reason it even exists is because of the current climate that Hollywood is stuck within - reboots of decades-old properties, continuous sequels, ongoing cinematic universes, franchise resurrections, etc. That's the name of the game right now, and attaching a name like "Matrix" to the film is the only way Lana Wachowski was ever going to get a big, personal, heartfelt sci-fi film greenlit in this climate, especially after the box office failures of the Wachowskis' last couple movies (and that is very much reflected within the body of this film, in Lana's scathing analysis of modern day Hollywood as seen in the Analyst's characterization and his outlook on this world, the role "Warner Brothers" plays within the Matrix itself, Neo being forced to drop his "Binary" project in favor of continuing on the "Matrix" brand despite vowing to never want to do that, the Merovingian clamoring for a "spinoff" and screaming about the way things used to be, etc.). The meta stuff isn't just a wink and a nod - it's at the core of why this movie even exists in the first place, and makes a very strong case for Lana Wachowski being one of the few filmmakers working within a big brand right now to really be able to shake that system and use an established property to tell a story personal to her, the way she wants to.
This movie isn't for everyone, certainly. But I personally loved it, and found it to be one of the very best of this sort of 'decades later' franchise continuation films (alongside the likes of Mad Mad: Fury Road and Blade Runner 2049).
Loved it.
It's an epilogue to the series. Lana pretty much said she doesn't want to do sequels to it. lol
This closes the story fairly well.
Don't care that it flopped at the box office. No sequels are dependent on this performing well.
The Matrix is OVER.
And i hope WB leaves it alone.
It's closer in tone to the Grant Morrison comic books that inspired the first film than... any of the previous films, really.
And those books have such an oddball, meta specific tone that
i'm pretty sure that is what's making people feel really weirded out and left out.
And i'm fine with it, tbh.
Wish more blockbusters were as willing to be as weird as this is.
It's the Alien Covenant of the series.
As far as nostalgia.. the story is more interested in the idea of "legacy" and what you leave behind as a person:
You get Neo examining his legacy as an artist in the first half.
Neo examines his legacy as a rebel in the 2nd half.
That's not "giving cheap nostalgia" to audiences at all.
I don't even think it hates its audience at all.
It points to all the things the other movies did and goes... "ok, but let's do something different this time".
The film 100% gives you its intentions in the "nerd crew segment" with Neo having to put up with executives' "visions" of what a Matrix 4 ought to be while he's only really interested in pining for Trinity. It's a love story. And its success depends on whether you love these characters or not. I did.
I was aware that Lana had made suicide attempts years ago.
When Neo was revealed as a suicide-attempt-survivor it really underlined how personal this film actually is.
Spoiler
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 23, 2022, 06:14:39 PM
I don't see this as a trilogy-starter at all, nor do I see it as a finale to the story (Revolutions remains that). This is much more an epilogue/coda and, prominently, a very contained romance - and a very personal one at that. More intimate in scale, and personal to these specific characters, and to Lana Wachowski herself. If in The Matrix, the romance was the backdrop to the much bigger conflict at play, then in Resurrections we're really seeing the inverse of that structure. There's a war going on, but what's really going to make everything ok is these two resurrected beings - these two halves of a singular entity, really - coming together. And The Matrix is a franchise that put its foot down right from movie number one and established the love between Neo and Trinity as being strong enough to literally bring Neo back to life, so hey, if the shoe fits!
A lot of it clicks into place even more, knowing what compelled Lana to actually agree to make the film this time, after years of Warner Bros pestering her and her sister to come back and eventually threatening that, with or without the Wachowskis, a "Matrix 4" would eventually happen.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHUKVmTXMAk-xsN?format=jpg&name=large)
Revolutions finished the story, completed the cycle innate to the original trilogy. Resurrections is much smaller, and sets out to do something different with its characters in the wake of that - and for me, at least, it succeeds. I don't want any more Matrix movies, and certainly not without either Wachowski at the helm. I got everything I could ever want out of it and more, now. And honestly, with all of the shit happening in the world right now, on a personal scale and at large, this kind of earnest, hopeful sentiment in the face of hardship is something I find myself really enamored with right now.
And as for the film having distain for its audience - I don't think that's entirely accurate. This is a movie with its intent so genuine, and its heart on its sleeve the entire time. But also, one that recognizes that the only reason it even exists is because of the current climate that Hollywood is stuck within - reboots of decades-old properties, continuous sequels, ongoing cinematic universes, franchise resurrections, etc. That's the name of the game right now, and attaching a name like "Matrix" to the film is the only way Lana Wachowski was ever going to get a big, personal, heartfelt sci-fi film greenlit in this climate, especially after the box office failures of the Wachowskis' last couple movies (and that is very much reflected within the body of this film, in Lana's scathing analysis of modern day Hollywood as seen in the Analyst's characterization and his outlook on this world, the role "Warner Brothers" plays within the Matrix itself, Neo being forced to drop his "Binary" project in favor of continuing on the "Matrix" brand despite vowing to never want to do that, the Merovingian clamoring for a "spinoff" and screaming about the way things used to be, etc.). The meta stuff isn't just a wink and a nod - it's at the core of why this movie even exists in the first place, and makes a very strong case for Lana Wachowski being one of the few filmmakers working within a big brand right now to really be able to shake that system and use an established property to tell a story personal to her, the way she wants to.
This movie isn't for everyone, certainly. But I personally loved it, and found it to be one of the very best of this sort of 'decades later' franchise continuation films (alongside the likes of Mad Mad: Fury Road and Blade Runner 2049).
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8d/f9/7a/8df97a0eb769de9124f8ae142720c687.gif)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 23, 2022, 06:14:39 PM
And as for the film having distain for its audience - I don't think that's entirely accurate. This is a movie with its intent so genuine, and its heart on its sleeve the entire time. But also, one that recognizes that the only reason it even exists is because of the current climate that Hollywood is stuck within - reboots of decades-old properties, continuous sequels, ongoing cinematic universes, franchise resurrections, etc. That's the name of the game right now, and attaching a name like "Matrix" to the film is the only way Lana Wachowski was ever going to get a big, personal, heartfelt sci-fi film greenlit in this climate, especially after the box office failures of the Wachowskis' last couple movies (and that is very much reflected within the body of this film, in Lana's scathing analysis of modern day Hollywood as seen in the Analyst's characterization and his outlook on this world, the role "Warner Brothers" plays within the Matrix itself, Neo being forced to drop his "Binary" project in favor of continuing on the "Matrix" brand despite vowing to never want to do that, the Merovingian clamoring for a "spinoff" and screaming about the way things used to be, etc.). The meta stuff isn't just a wink and a nod - it's at the core of why this movie even exists in the first place, and makes a very strong case for Lana Wachowski being one of the few filmmakers working within a big brand right now to really be able to shake that system and use an established property to tell a story personal to her, the way she wants to.
Quote from: skhellter on Jan 23, 2022, 06:33:15 PM
It's the Alien Covenant of the series.
I enjoyed what it did. The different route it took to get there.
https://youtu.be/nNpvWBuTfrc (https://youtu.be/nNpvWBuTfrc)
So I just randomly decided to watch this trailer. What made me interested is not the trailer itself but the comments section below. It is flooded with comments in Russian demanding justice for some Russian YouTuber known as
"Star Captain" ("Звездный Капитан"). There's one comment in particular that gets repeated by different users almost word to word with slight variations:
Quote"Будьте разумными людьми, капитан это лучшее что было и есть на Ютубе! Такого анализа любви и подачи материала никто не проводит. Его уровень выше чем у режиссеров многих современных фильмов!"
"Be wise, people, Captain is the best thing that was and is on YouTube ! Such analysis and love and presentation is nowhere to be found. He's on a higher level than many modern directors !"They even have their own hashtag a la #ReleaseTheSnyderCut -
#FreedomToStarCaptainI dug a little into this: apparently he did re-cap videos on original Matrix trilogy, got striked by WB, tried to push back, got striked again and his channel was under the threat of being completely deleted. Dude got so nervous that he had heart attack and was hospitalised. After the recovery he posted on his channel encouraging people to like his comment under the said trailer to draw attention to the problem. I guess, he got more than he could've wish for. Looks like it worked and his channel is back to normal
Never seen anything like it before
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/54680938/woah-wait-what.jpg)
Perfectly encapsulates Reloaded and Revolutions for me :D
https://youtu.be/jvDRfb60nwI (https://youtu.be/jvDRfb60nwI)
Why does nobody talks about that "real world" is literally a Gigerland ?
Indeed!
(https://i.ibb.co/DYY8xb6/the-matrix-pods.jpg)
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 14, 2022, 11:06:37 PMWhy does nobody talks about that "real world" is literally a Gigerland ?
I talk about it constantly with Necro.
I guess, I somehow missed it
Possibly also people kind of stopped caring about Giger 20 years ago.
As long as there are Alien fans there will be people who give a shit about Giger
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 15, 2022, 06:01:49 AMQuote from: Kradan on Jul 14, 2022, 11:06:37 PMWhy does nobody talks about that "real world" is literally a Gigerland ?
I talk about it constantly with Necro.
People never stopped caring evidently then.
Y'all need to familiarise yourselves with the concepts of generalisation and hyperbole.
Giger inspired, Giger ish, etc were a lot more common terms to describe the aesthetic in the past. Today the aesthetic is diluted and generic and there's a lot less specific reference to him.
I'm not saying literally everyone stopped caring, he just sort of slipped out of the zeitgeist.
Hyperbole for me not for thee.
And I massively disagree, consider how often he's brought up, even in contexts like Scorn when it's more Zdzislaw Beksinski than H.R Giger overall, I think the idea that he slipped out of the zeitgeist's absolute nonsense frankly not to the general public as the Alien guy or most certainly not in the art world.
great movie people just don't get language
study language people start seeing films and franchises as exercises of style - you can already do that if you like alien and predator
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 15, 2022, 11:47:52 AMstudy language people
I've never studied anything in my life and I don't intend to start now.
Quotestart seeing films and franchises as exercises of style - you can already do that if you like alien and predator
Especially since this part's true and I grew up with them.
Was that not word salad? I can't make sense of it.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 15, 2022, 07:43:46 PMWas that not word salad? I can't make sense of it.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 15, 2022, 11:47:52 AMStudy language, people! Start seeing films and franchises as exercises of style.
Added punctuation for you.
Much appreciated.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 15, 2022, 07:43:46 PMWas that not word salad? I can't make sense of it.
yes by intent
But why?
Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2022, 07:10:42 AMBut why?
such are the questions wandering in a mind trying to dissect mine
Spoiler
I often write in jet mode so there is no punctuation even though I know where it should be
Ah, I ain't got time for that.
Ain't nobody.
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1575521641722880002
Noah Hawley:
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Will there be a burly brawl?
I would bloody hope so otherwise whole thing is pointless
Lobby scene with different music (https://www.reddit.com/r/matrix/comments/yl1nr1/hall_scene_fight_with_diff_music_prodigy_top_gun/)
Both The Matrix and The Watcher feature Keanu and Dragula in scenes together. :laugh:
A new episode is out and we're discussing all things The Matrix Resurrections, a film that I loved and Andy respected (despite having some reservations regarding the technical side of things).
https://twitter.com/PopcornDigest/status/1623994376539066370
https://linktr.ee/popcornnetwork
Ya know, I didn't like it very much when I saw it in theatres. But then I saw Rocco from Mega64 give a pretty passionate and celebratory review of it, and he actually gave me a different perspective on it. Been meaning to give it another shot.
Quote from: Gazz on Feb 10, 2023, 04:29:02 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1gjUJDSDJY
A new episode is out and we're discussing all things The Matrix Resurrections, a film that I loved and Andy respected (despite having some reservations regarding the technical side of things).
https://twitter.com/PopcornDigest/status/1623994376539066370
https://linktr.ee/popcornnetwork
F.uck. Yeah
I remember listening to episode you did on Reloaded/Revolutions and all it did is made me thirsty to rewatch Revolutions
Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Feb 10, 2023, 10:22:33 PMYa know, I didn't like it very much when I saw it in theatres. But then I saw Rocco from Mega64 give a pretty passionate and celebratory review of it, and he actually gave me a different perspective on it. Been meaning to give it another shot.
Say what you want about Resurrections but at the very least it made me curious enough to go back and check out OG Matrix and, what's even more important to me, it's sequels
Kinda also in the mood to rewatch it