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Quote from: Clowndog on May 07, 2017, 03:50:01 AM
Well it got 5 stars in the UK's Independent.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/reviews/alien-covenant-review-prometheus-sequel-prequel-michael-fassbender-david-walter-a7720371.html

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 07, 2017, 03:59:42 AM

Quote from: Clowndog on May 07, 2017, 03:50:01 AM
Well it got 5 stars in the UK's Independent.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/reviews/alien-covenant-review-prometheus-sequel-prequel-michael-fassbender-david-walter-a7720371.html

Really loved this review!

Quote from: D88M on May 07, 2017, 04:07:30 AM

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 07, 2017, 03:59:42 AM

Quote from: Clowndog on May 07, 2017, 03:50:01 AM
Well it got 5 stars in the UK's Independent.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/reviews/alien-covenant-review-prometheus-sequel-prequel-michael-fassbender-david-walter-a7720371.html

Really loved this review!

what is the deal with reviews nowadays? it is really that hard to get competent writers? now all reviews, of anything but specially movies, told the WHOLE film, it is easy to tell if a movie is good or bad without telling everything about it, why do they have to be so mediocre and amateur? had to stop because of spoilers, i wont be reading any review but the spoiler free ones made by the admins of here

Quote from: Spidey3121 on May 07, 2017, 04:06:51 AM
Forbes https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/05/06/alien-covenant-review-prometheus-sequel-is-a-return-to-formula/#1945b9d71ffa (https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/05/06/alien-covenant-review-prometheus-sequel-is-a-return-to-formula/#1945b9d71ffa)

Birth.Movies.Death http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/05/06/alien-covenant-review-sympathy-for-the-devil

Both positive. The BMD review suggests it's next best after Alien & Aliens. Only skimmed either one tho, fearful of spoilers.

Quote from: Clowndog on May 07, 2017, 04:18:10 AM

Quote from: Spidey3121 on May 07, 2017, 04:06:51 AM
Forbes https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/05/06/alien-covenant-review-prometheus-sequel-is-a-return-to-formula/#1945b9d71ffa (https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/05/06/alien-covenant-review-prometheus-sequel-is-a-return-to-formula/#1945b9d71ffa)

Birth.Movies.Death http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/05/06/alien-covenant-review-sympathy-for-the-devil

Both positive. The BMD review suggests it's next best after Alien & Aliens. Only skimmed either one tho, fearful of spoilers.

The writer of the Forbes one liked Alien: Resurrection and claims that Prometheus was just a variation on the "haunted house" formula, so I'm a little hesitant to trust their opinion. But they did say it was good for what it is trying to do, they are just bored of it and want an Alien film set in a different genre(?), not sure what genre however...

It also got 4/5 in NME: http://www.nme.com/reviews/movie/alien-covenant-review

Quote from: Alien Runner on May 07, 2017, 04:28:35 AM
Bleh considering alien movie standards. Should be 4-5/5

Quote from: Darkness on May 07, 2017, 04:56:54 AM
The British newspapers seem to be loving it.

Well, apart from the Guardian.

Quote from: Darkness on May 07, 2017, 04:56:54 AM
Well, apart from the Guardian.

Quote from: Darkness on May 07, 2017, 05:00:13 AM
What's the links? I can't find them.

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 07, 2017, 05:05:50 AM
Entertainment Weekly gave it a B+.

Quote from: salomonj on May 07, 2017, 05:07:36 AM

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 07, 2017, 05:05:50 AM
Entertainment Weekly gave it a B+.

I'll take that from them

Quote from: rustyredraccoon on May 07, 2017, 05:21:23 AM
Den of Geek: 2/5

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/alien-covenant/264548/alien-covenant-review

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The Village Voice:

http://www.villagevoice.com/film/alien-covenant-in-space-no-one-can-hear-you-philosophize-9963365

Not sure what to make of this review. Mixed?

Quote from: SiL on May 07, 2017, 06:06:26 AM
Sounding like Prometheus. People generally enjoy it, it's well made, but it's got some issues that stop it being great.

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 07, 2017, 04:13:32 AM

Quote from: D88M on May 07, 2017, 04:07:30 AM

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 07, 2017, 03:59:42 AM

Quote from: Clowndog on May 07, 2017, 03:50:01 AM
Well it got 5 stars in the UK's Independent.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/reviews/alien-covenant-review-prometheus-sequel-prequel-michael-fassbender-david-walter-a7720371.html

Really loved this review!

what is the deal with reviews nowadays? it is really that hard to get competent writers? now all reviews, of anything but specially movies, told the WHOLE film, it is easy to tell if a movie is good or bad without telling everything about it, why do they have to be so mediocre and amateur? had to stop because of spoilers, i wont be reading any review but the spoiler free ones made by the admins of here

I usually just read the last paragraph which just summarizes why they liked or disliked the movie.

Also, Craven Online was pretty negative towards the film.

Quote from: D88M on May 07, 2017, 06:57:59 AM
is there any, REALLY and literally, spoiler free be it negative or positive that i could read yet?

also, the crowd is asking for Hicks review!

also, great to know is having a mostly positive reaction unlike Prometheus that was really divisive, though i have a feeling that it WILL be divisive for us fans in terms of lore/continuity screw ups, we will have to wait and see...

Quote from: Clowndog on May 07, 2017, 07:05:10 AM

Quote from: D88M on May 07, 2017, 06:57:59 AM
is there any, REALLY and literally, spoiler free be it negative or positive that i could read yet?

also, the crowd is asking for Hicks review!

also, great to know is having a mostly positive reaction unlike Prometheus that was really divisive, though i have a feeling that it WILL be divisive for us fans in terms of lore/continuity screw ups, we will have to wait and see...

Honestly, I would watch Beyond the Trailers review as there are basically no spoilers in it.

Not sure how she is usually for reviews but I was aware she went in being pretty sceptical and ended up sounding fairly balanced on the whole.

Quote from: D88M on May 07, 2017, 06:57:59 AM
is there any, REALLY and literally, spoiler free be it negative or positive that i could read yet?

also, the crowd is asking for Hicks review!

also, great to know is having a mostly positive reaction unlike Prometheus that was really divisive, though i have a feeling that it WILL be divisive for us fans in terms of lore/continuity screw ups, we will have to wait and see...

Quote from: D88M on May 07, 2017, 07:23:02 AM

Quote from: Clowndog on May 07, 2017, 07:05:10 AM

Quote from: D88M on May 07, 2017, 06:57:59 AM
is there any, REALLY and literally, spoiler free be it negative or positive that i could read yet?

also, the crowd is asking for Hicks review!

also, great to know is having a mostly positive reaction unlike Prometheus that was really divisive, though i have a feeling that it WILL be divisive for us fans in terms of lore/continuity screw ups, we will have to wait and see...

Honestly, I would watch Beyond the Trailers review as there are basically no spoilers in it.

Not sure how she is usually for reviews but I was aware she went in being pretty sceptical and ended up sounding fairly balanced on the whole.

hmm, i hate youtubers, they are egocentric talentless kids that gain millons of views by stealing jokes from others and by talking about trivial stuff that they dont even know, they usually dont know what they are talking about so i dont think i can use a review like that to get an idea from the movie, thanks anyway, i will think about it or just wait to see the movie by myself

Quote    Alien: Covenant is quite possibly the best Alien film since James Cameron's ground-breaking 1986 sequel, which some haters may suggest isn't that difficult. It has all the elements you'd expect from an Alien movie as well as further depth from a story quite obviously planning to continue into at least one more feature. Ridley Scott continues to build upon the foundations he laid with Prometheus while giving the audience something to feast upon in terms of the horror so expertly delivered in the movies that preceded it.

Gloriously intense and in places absolutely terrifying, Alien: Covenant is the Alien movie you'd been waiting for and absolutely one of the stand-outs of the year so far. 

Quote from: MajorB on May 07, 2017, 04:22:25 AM
Jeremy Jahns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaK7cAZ4trs

Beyond the Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzD7X2Jz90E

Quote from: Protozoid on May 07, 2017, 07:29:27 AM
65 at Metacritic. Same score as Prometheus, but bound to go down as more reviews come out.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 07:53:23 AM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-covenant/review/

Quote from: Omegamorph on May 07, 2017, 08:06:49 AM
Does anyone recall where Ridley Scott said "they want Aliens? We'll give them the f**king Alien"? Would love to reference that in an article. Thank you :)

Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 07, 2017, 08:01:33 AM
People rapidly birthing chestbursters has always irritated me in EU canon and other sequels, etc. What was the duration on Kane from infection to birth? 12-24 hours? I always believed it was around that interval at least.

Quote from: szkoki on May 07, 2017, 09:28:09 AM
Well the first alien movies were suspense movies, even Alien3.
Either Ridley dont trust himself so he just throws the alien on screen asap like D rated directors or he just doesnt care about the lore and tries to direct a totally different movie to a totally new age audiance.

Quote from: windebieste on May 07, 2017, 09:49:02 AM
In the face of all the short gestation periods we frequently see, has anyone ever stopped to consider Scott's gestation period for the chestburster is the one that's incorrect? 

Personally, I don't think of it as a problem.  Gestations can vary.  Well, why not?

-Windebieste.

Quote from: John Doe on May 07, 2017, 09:43:56 AM
I read people hating there is a gay couple on the ship or looking to a open egg....

This movies, including Alien, are not made for the actual world.

And i dont have problem with fast birth, there are diferent species.

Please make your own judment.

Quote from: windebieste on May 07, 2017, 09:49:02 AM
In the face of all the short gestation periods we frequently see, has anyone ever stopped to consider Scott's gestation period for the chestburster is the one that's incorrect? 

Personally, I don't think of it as a problem.  Gestations can vary.  Well, why not?

-Windebieste.

Quote from: SuicideDoors on May 07, 2017, 09:58:16 AM
It definitely was. They've either edited the score or is that a second review?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 07:53:23 AM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-covenant/review/

My review is up. I'll post HuDa's in a second!

Quote from: Ingwar on May 07, 2017, 10:00:15 AM

Quote from: windebieste on May 07, 2017, 09:49:02 AM
In the face of all the short gestation periods we frequently see, has anyone ever stopped to consider Scott's gestation period for the chestburster is the one that's incorrect? 

Personally, I don't think of it as a problem.  Gestations can vary.  Well, why not?

-Windebieste.

True. Besides, gestation periods can vary. In Aliens we got bio-mechanical creature where in Covenant it's juts pure bio therefore it might grows quicker or it's just mistake that doesn't really bother me at all.

QuoteThe Independent - Clarisse Loughrey - 5/5
Covenant, thrives on its own self-awareness. We know the drill. The infection starts small then it builds and builds until the singular moment all hell breaks loose. Director Ridley Scott finds mischievous delight in carefully tracking the first parasite's journey into the first victim's ear canal, and down to burrow into their bloodstream, all while the audience's hearts start clattering in their chests. They won't stop until the credits roll.

The Guardian - Peter Bradshaw - 3/5
The vu has never been so déja: it's a greatest-hits compilation of the other Alien films' freaky moments. The paradox is that though you are intended to recognise these touches, you won't really be impressed unless you happen to be seeing them for the first time. For all this, the film is very capably made, with forceful, potent performances from Waterston and Fassbender. That franchise title is, however, looking increasingly wrong. It is a bit familiar.

The Telegraph - Robbie Collin 5/5
Scott's Alien: Covenant is a mad scientist film – arguably, one of the maddest. It's grandiose, exhilarating, vertiginously cynical and symphonically perverse, and around a million miles from the crowd-pleasing Alien retread Twentieth Century Fox have presumably been begging the 79-year-old director to make.

The Hollywood Reporter - Todd McCarthy
Scott and the writers have achieved an outstanding balance in Alien: Covenant among numerous different elements: Intelligent speculation and textbook sci-fi presumptions, startlingly inventive action and audience-pleasing old standbys, philosophical considerations and inescapable genre conventions, intense visual splendor and gore at its most grisly. The drama flows gorgeously and, unlike in many other franchises in which entries keep getting longer every time out, this one is served up without an ounce of fat. It provides all the tension and action the mainstream audience could want, along with a good deal more.

The Mirror - Chris Hunneysett - 5/5
Despite displaying Weaver's kick-ass aptitude, Waterston is overawed by a majestic Michael Fassbender. He's mesmeric in a dual role as synthetic androids, David and Walter. Scott's final theatrical flourish sends the franchise spinning out in a new direction. This is screamingly great cinema.

Den of Geek - Ryan Lambie - 3/5
Alien: Covenant's problems only really begin to tell in the second half. While the movie doesn't lose its coherency in the way that Prometheus did, the story does delve into similarly awkward, faintly kitsch storytelling territory. One of the issues is, surprisingly, Michael Fassbender, who plays two roles here. As well as David, the actor also appears as Walter, a newer model of synthetic with fewer personality malfunctions than his predecessor.

Radio Times - Terry Staunton - 3/5
Scott has relinquished the directorial reins of the upcoming Blade Runner sequel, and it might have been wise to do the same here, to bring a more fully formed perspective and a fresh slant to the saga. Unlike the crew of another spacecraft with a sizeable cinema pedigree, he seems frustratingly content to boldly go exactly where he's gone before.

Quote from: Gigeresque on May 07, 2017, 10:32:09 AM
More positives.

http://entertainment.ie/movie-review/Alien-Covenant/388700.htm      (http://entertainment.ie/movie-review/Alien-Covenant/388700.htm)

     http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/ridley-scott-alien-covenant-not-faint-heart-review-article-1.3142709  (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/ridley-scott-alien-covenant-not-faint-heart-review-article-1.3142709)

Quote from: Ingwar on May 07, 2017, 10:36:15 AM

Quote from: Gigeresque on May 07, 2017, 10:32:09 AM
More positives.

http://entertainment.ie/movie-review/Alien-Covenant/388700.htm      (http://entertainment.ie/movie-review/Alien-Covenant/388700.htm)

     http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/ridley-scott-alien-covenant-not-faint-heart-review-article-1.3142709  (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/ridley-scott-alien-covenant-not-faint-heart-review-article-1.3142709)

Good. So basically in scale of 1 to 5 it's in between 3 to 5 so far. I'm nor worried about its sequel regarding Covenant's budget (111 millions) and its box office.

QuoteIf Ridley Scott really wants to keep this going, he would do well to heed one of the better things about modern franchises, namely their willingness to change genre to keep things fresh. Despite the "same-ness" and the very real issues with character work (I was hoping for the quirk and chemistry of The Martian dumped into an Alien film), Alien: Covenant succeeds as pulp fiction. It is a mostly intelligent (give or take dumb choices like folks not wearing helmets when on an uncharted world), occasionally thoughtful and impressively grandiose R-rated horror romp. The film looks and feels huge, and it absolutely delivers the in-your-face carnage and action beats. It's a satisfying have-your-cake and eat it too Alien prequel that's more of a Prometheus sequel and thus should satisfy both camps. Besides, when I'm 79 years old I can only hope I'm healthy enough to watch a movie like Alien: Covenant let along make one. Alas, it is also not a Venom prequel.

Quote from: Omegamorph on May 07, 2017, 08:06:49 AM
Does anyone recall where Ridley Scott said "they want Aliens? We'll give them the f**king Alien"? Would love to reference that in an article. Thank you :)

Quote from: The_Foxcatcher on May 07, 2017, 05:00:18 AM
http://weliveentertainment.com/welivefilm/alien-covenant-review-promises-promises/

Valid  criticism

Quote from: SuicideDoors on May 07, 2017, 10:53:57 AM
The Playlist - very positive

http://theplaylist.net/alien-covenant-ridley-scott-katherine-waterston-review-20170507/

QuoteSomehow, Scott manages to balance it all: meditations on being made in god's own image, the fan service of "Alien Origins: Xenomorphs," and feminist agency. Balance doesn't necessarily mean execution though. There's friction with all these ideas fighting for airtime. 'Prometheus" wasn't subtle in its presentational ideas of man stealing fire and being punished for it, and 'Covenant' wrestles with the notions of breaking the pact with God. It's like the flame on the end of a match burning the tips of your fingers. For maximum enjoyment, the trick is not minding it hurts. [B/B+]

Quote from: Protozoid on May 07, 2017, 07:29:27 AM
65 at Metacritic. Same score as Prometheus, but bound to go down as more reviews come out.

Quote from: Ulm on May 07, 2017, 11:56:42 AM

Quote from: Protozoid on May 07, 2017, 07:29:27 AM
65 at Metacritic. Same score as Prometheus, but bound to go down as more reviews come out.

'Bound to'
Are you aware the score can go up as more reviews come out?

68 - 80 on metacritic and I'll be pleased.

Quote from: RidgeTop on May 07, 2017, 11:31:23 AM

Quote from: Omegamorph on May 07, 2017, 08:06:49 AM
Does anyone recall where Ridley Scott said "they want Aliens? We'll give them the f**king Alien"? Would love to reference that in an article. Thank you :)

Pretty sure it was the JoBlo set visit. http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/set-visit-1-alien-covenant-everything-we-learned-sfx-info-238

Quote from: shawsbaby on May 07, 2017, 01:19:50 PM
Reviews are so fascinating - some say the Prometheus philosophies and narratives are diminished, while others say they've doubled down on them.

Quote from: shawsbaby on May 07, 2017, 01:19:50 PM
Reviews are so fascinating - some say the Prometheus philosophies and narratives are diminished, while others say they've doubled down on them.

Quote from: Ultramorph on May 07, 2017, 01:42:17 PM
The complaints I've seen are about what I was expecting. I'm still excited to see it, because this time I know what to expect going in.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 07:53:23 AM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-covenant/review/

My review is up. I'll post HuDa's in a second!

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 07, 2017, 01:56:42 PM
Circa 8 out of 10 reviews are positive. That's not "devicive", that's a consensus of opinion that it's good.

QuoteEverything that follows pads the mythology about the title xenomorph, driven primarily by an oddly unmotivated and slightly confusing plot involving Michael Fassbender's android character from the first film, David, and a second android on the Covenant, named Walter. Fassbender is great in both roles, but the character's stories demystify everything that made those aliens so terrifying in the first place. So Alien: Covenant gets rid of everything good about Prometheus and takes all the mystery of Alien away. It basically makes both films worse.

Quote from: 426Buddy on May 07, 2017, 01:54:01 PM
Seems to be pretty divisive so far. A lot of positive reviews but some are really negative.

Quote from: Ingwar on May 07, 2017, 02:02:52 PM

Quote from: 426Buddy on May 07, 2017, 01:54:01 PM
Seems to be pretty divisive so far. A lot of positive reviews but some are really negative.

Only few negative so far. Most are mixed and positive.

Quote from: Gigeresque on May 07, 2017, 02:04:09 PM

Quote from: Ingwar on May 07, 2017, 02:02:52 PM

Quote from: 426Buddy on May 07, 2017, 01:54:01 PM
Seems to be pretty divisive so far. A lot of positive reviews but some are really negative.

Only few negative so far. Most are mixed and positive.

Yeah. Its like one neg for every ten pos.

Quote from: Ingwar on May 07, 2017, 02:08:04 PM

Quote from: Gigeresque on May 07, 2017, 02:04:09 PM

Quote from: Ingwar on May 07, 2017, 02:02:52 PM

Quote from: 426Buddy on May 07, 2017, 01:54:01 PM
Seems to be pretty divisive so far. A lot of positive reviews but some are really negative.

Only few negative so far. Most are mixed and positive.

Yeah. Its like one neg for every ten pos.

It's 4 positive to 1 negative on RT. So far.

Quote from: D88M on May 07, 2017, 01:55:57 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 07:53:23 AM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-covenant/review/

My review is up. I'll post HuDa's in a second!

are you gonna upload a spoiler free review too? i was really looking forward to the review :(

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 02:38:30 PM

Quote from: D88M on May 07, 2017, 01:55:57 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 07:53:23 AM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-covenant/review/

My review is up. I'll post HuDa's in a second!

are you gonna upload a spoiler free review too? i was really looking forward to the review :(

Yeah, gonna do one for YouTube.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 02:38:30 PM

Quote from: D88M on May 07, 2017, 01:55:57 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 07:53:23 AM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-covenant/review/

My review is up. I'll post HuDa's in a second!

are you gonna upload a spoiler free review too? i was really looking forward to the review :(

Yeah, gonna do one for YouTube.

Quote from: Ingwar on May 07, 2017, 01:37:34 PM
For those who are worried just relax.

Tomatometer 80%
Average Rating: 6.7/10
Reviews Counted: 20
Fresh: 16
Rotten: 4

Quote from: 900SL on May 07, 2017, 03:29:22 PM

Quote from: Ingwar on May 07, 2017, 01:37:34 PM
For those who are worried just relax.

Tomatometer 80%
Average Rating: 6.7/10
Reviews Counted: 20
Fresh: 16
Rotten: 4

How do they get 80% from 6.7/10? Are they using (16+4)/4 instead?

Quote from: 900SL on May 07, 2017, 03:29:22 PM

Quote from: Ingwar on May 07, 2017, 01:37:34 PM
For those who are worried just relax.

Tomatometer 80%
Average Rating: 6.7/10
Reviews Counted: 20
Fresh: 16
Rotten: 4

How do they get 80% from 6.7/10? Are they using (16+4)/4 instead?

Regardless, the film will be what you make it.

Those that are critical of the film share common concerns, and from what I have read so far, they are issues that will bother me. Seems like we have a good first third, an OK second third and a compromised final third.  I wonder how many of the positive reviews are younger reviewers, who are less invested in the chronology and history of the series.. 

QuoteAlien: Covenant is criminally backloaded, with almost an hour going by before the crew lands on the planet

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 07, 2017, 01:56:42 PM
Circa 8 out of 10 reviews are positive. That's not "devicive", that's a consensus of opinion that it's good.

Quote from: szkoki on May 07, 2017, 03:45:59 PM

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 07, 2017, 01:56:42 PM
Circa 8 out of 10 reviews are positive. That's not "devicive", that's a consensus of opinion that it's good.

Commonly that was the opinion of Jurassic World too.

Quote from: 900SL on May 07, 2017, 03:58:27 PM
BBC First Review, not good:

3/5

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20170505-film-review-is-alien-covenant-as-good-as-the-original

Quote from: 900SL on May 07, 2017, 03:58:27 PM
BBC First Review, not good:

3/5

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20170505-film-review-is-alien-covenant-as-good-as-the-original

Quote from: Evanus on May 07, 2017, 04:15:43 PM
Well, I'll definitely have problems with it, but this guy is just being overly dramatic.

Quote from: Ingwar on May 07, 2017, 04:17:07 PM

Quote from: 900SL on May 07, 2017, 03:58:27 PM
BBC First Review, not good:

3/5

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20170505-film-review-is-alien-covenant-as-good-as-the-original

I have when they compare movies to each other. What's the point? Alien is Alien, Covenant is Covenant.

Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 07, 2017, 04:13:37 PM

Quote from: 900SL on May 07, 2017, 03:58:27 PM
BBC First Review, not good:

3/5

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20170505-film-review-is-alien-covenant-as-good-as-the-original

Mark Kermode is the only BBC review that matters.

He's also the biggest horror movie reviewer out there.

Quote from: Wilo on May 07, 2017, 04:31:43 PM
If reviewers buying into the hype is dishonesty, so is this. It's just of a different kind. He points out some issues like the lack of character development, which is reasonable to criticize but overall the tone and the level of scrutiny in this article just leaves you with the impression he'd made up his mind before he went into the theater. Because of this I feel he just undermines the credibility of his own review even though he had seemingly valid points.

Quote from: NickisSmart on May 07, 2017, 04:33:18 PM
I can't wait to review this film, myself. This guy sounds way too pissed off to think straight.

Quote from: Ragonk_Force on May 07, 2017, 04:11:31 PM
There are so many contradictions in these reviews, Ive even read the film is boring and moves slow in some cases, while otheres say it moves too fast and has so much action you dont have time to breathe. So, see it, make up your own mind and hopefully enjoy it. Im 90% sure that I will. Just give it your money so it will continue

Quote from: Rankles75 on May 07, 2017, 04:39:28 PM
Looks like immature tripe to me. I don't give any credence to a review like that whatsoever...

Quote from: Rankles75 on May 07, 2017, 05:04:27 PM
Not overly worried about the lack of action in the first hour or so tbh. You could say the same about Alien (and Aliens to an extent), and I don't think anyone had an issue with that. I'm all for a film like this taking time to build up to the action, allowing us to get to know the characters before the shit hits the fan...

Quote from: NickisSmart on May 07, 2017, 04:58:06 PM

Quote from: Rankles75 on May 07, 2017, 04:39:28 PM
Looks like immature tripe to me. I don't give any credence to a review like that whatsoever...

Giving up on Ridley, is what he ends is review with. Like, seriously. It's just a movie.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 07:59:07 AM
From HuDaFuk (Xenopedia editor) -
Another issue I had was the big final twist. To say it was obvious is a huge understatement; I saw it coming about 20 minutes before the end of the film, and being so obvious, it was hard to get even slightly thrilled by it. It was just so blatantly telegraphed from the moment it was set up.

Quote from: Z-101 on May 07, 2017, 05:41:46 PM

Quote from: NickisSmart on May 07, 2017, 04:58:06 PM

Quote from: Rankles75 on May 07, 2017, 04:39:28 PM
Looks like immature tripe to me. I don't give any credence to a review like that whatsoever...

Giving up on Ridley, is what he ends is review with. Like, seriously. It's just a movie.

Some people don't like spending their money on people who ritually dissapoint them.  While I don't disagree i also have no problem spending ten to fifteen bucks so while I have already given up on Ridley Scott I will still be seeing this movie, just maybe not all the way through....if it sux too bad

Quote from: Z-101 on May 07, 2017, 05:55:37 PM
can someone direct me to HuDaFuk's A:C review can't find it maybe im just blind

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 07, 2017, 06:03:50 PM

Quote from: Z-101 on May 07, 2017, 05:55:37 PM
can someone direct me to HuDaFuk's A:C review can't find it maybe im just blind

Here ya go mate: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=57224.msg2208460#msg2208460 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=57224.msg2208460#msg2208460)

Maybe the Corporal could frontpage it with his own review?

Quote from: szkoki on May 07, 2017, 09:01:38 AM
dumb f**king chracters again? Ridley.....
showing too much the creatures?
pacing and 2nd/3rd act is off?

that doesnt sound so good. fingers crossed

Quote from: Ingwar on May 07, 2017, 08:00:24 AM

Quote from: MajorB on May 07, 2017, 04:22:25 AM
Jeremy Jahns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaK7cAZ4trs

Beyond the Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzD7X2Jz90E

Cannot stand both of them. Paradises.

Quote from: monkeylove on May 07, 2017, 06:23:41 PM
I think what happened was similar to the development of the recent Mad Max movie: producers assumed that most viewers would be young and would know little about the first Alien movies. Thus, a movie was produced that would retell the story to them using elements from the first movies while appealing to their sensibilities through stunning visuals and dialogue that reflected their ethos, which included more discussions on characters' personal views, etc. The result is, for those who saw earlier films, a rather ordinary work.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 07:59:07 AM
From HuDaFuk (Xenopedia editor) -

Overall, I liked this more than Prometheus, but it had definite faults.

It was undeniably a more commercial, less ambitious movie than Prometheus, but I thought that ultimately worked in its favour. There were a few hints of some of the higher concepts of the kind explored in the previous film, chiefly in the scenes involving David, but on the whole it was a more straightforward film. More action-packed, more intense. I'm also happy to say it fixed one of my biggest criticisms from Prometheus - whereas the crew in that were terribly cardboard and uncharismatic, I'm pleased to say the characters in this immediately came across as more interesting and likeable to watch.

However - and this was my main problem - it was one of those movies that suffers quite badly from a case of deterioration; it seemed to get less impressive as it went along, culminating in a final act that I thought was, disappointingly, pretty weak. The Neomorph birth sequence, seen in the previews, was excellent and probably the best part of the movie. But towards the end, more and more things started happening that really disappointed me.

Spoiler

For instance, they once again messed with the details and timescale of the Alien reproductive cycle. Crudup's character is infected and gives birth in about ten minutes, whereas later in the film someone is impregnated after a Facehugger is in contact with them for no longer than a few seconds. Seriously, they're never even knocked unconscious before the thing is cut off them, and yet they're still infected. Also, for some reason the Chestburster is now a fully-formed, miniature version of the Alien, with arms, legs and head, rather than the slug-like design from the previous films.

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Another issue I had was the big final twist. To say it was obvious is a huge understatement; I saw it coming about 20 minutes before the end of the film, and being so obvious, it was hard to get even slightly thrilled by it. It was just so blatantly telegraphed from the moment it was set up.

It's a shame most of the things I disliked were towards the back end of the movie, because it was a let down after the great opening acts and kinda soured the whole experience with a disappointing conclusion. As I said, the final act aboard the Covenant in particular was quite weak - it felt way too short and didn't portray the Alien in particularly good light. Still, overall it was an entertaining movie, and a definite step up from Prometheus. I've actually seen it twice now, and I enjoyed it more the second time around.

Oh, and as I was asked - I'd probably rank it fourth, after the first three but ahead of Resurrection and Prometheus 🙂 Might be a better-made film than Alien 3, but I have a soft spot for that.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 07, 2017, 05:47:30 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 07:59:07 AM
From HuDaFuk (Xenopedia editor) -
Another issue I had was the big final twist. To say it was obvious is a huge understatement; I saw it coming about 20 minutes before the end of the film, and being so obvious, it was hard to get even slightly thrilled by it. It was just so blatantly telegraphed from the moment it was set up.

Great review Corporal, good to see you being honest with both the shortcomings and positives of the film.

@HuDaFuk

If I remember correctly, the final twist was a little bit too subtle in the earlier test screenings. People didn't pick up on it and they had to change it, make it more blatant and obvious. Shows you why test screenings are never a good thing.

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 07, 2017, 06:20:03 PM

Quote from: Ingwar on May 07, 2017, 08:00:24 AM

Quote from: MajorB on May 07, 2017, 04:22:25 AM
Jeremy Jahns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaK7cAZ4trs

Beyond the Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzD7X2Jz90E

Cannot stand both of them. Paradises.

I like Jeremy Jahns. Sure, his reviews can be a bit histrionic, but I find them fun.

QuoteAlien: Covenant is déjà vu all over again. The sequel to Prometheus and sixth film in the franchise is a straight rehash of the same damn story. We do get more regarding the savage creatures origins, but its two hours of banal predictability apart from that. I was sincerely hoping that Ridley Scott would offer something new. There isn't. Alien Covenant is textbook in every way. It has a great production value, definitely well made, but utterly lacks creativity.

QuoteAlien: Covenant is a film equally gorgeous and grotesque, and sometimes its dialogue is like poetry. It blends the first science-fiction novel, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, with one of the greatest horror stories ever written: the Bible. And the end result is something like John Milton's Paradise Lost with androids and aliens. It may not work for people who still want to preserve the mystery, who object to the prequels being made in the first place. And there is really no way for any movie to compete with Alien, a perfect film, or Aliens, its perfect sequel — but after those two, this beautiful nightmare is maybe the franchise's best, a haunting and welcome new entry in the Alien mythos.

Quote"Alien: Covenant" is probably not the movie you were expecting. Yes, there's body-horror and action, nightmare-inducing monsters, and a kick-ass heroine. But then there's so much more. Some of it is tedious, halfhearted pontification about the power of faith. Some of it is intriguing backstory, knitting "Prometheus's" tale more tightly with "Alien." And the rest is just so damn weird that I can't help but be impressed! Scott has moved past what audiences want, and onto a new terrain that demands you watch the promo clips to get a full picture of his picture. He's working outside of the box with a defiant moxie that is both vexing and compelling. Which all means this movie is uneven and odd. But still, it's an oddly good time.

QuoteAs ever, Scott casts each actor to perfection, no matter how small the role, and each is given his or her own fully-realized personality. Crew members include several TV actors – Danny McBride from "Eastbound and Down," Demián Bichir from "The Bridge," and Jussie Smollett from "Empire." Taking center stage is, of course, Fassbender in two excellent roles. Android Walter is more human, while David has become more inhuman than anyone could ever have predicted. Katherine Waterston is ostensibly the "Ripley" of the story, but she makes her own waves as Daniels. When we meet Daniels, she's a heartbroken widow. When we last see her, she's a hardhearted alien-killer.

What's more, Scott fans will enjoy a few Alien Easter eggs... and even a wink at Blade Runner.

Alien: Covenant is a true return to the horror roots of the franchise. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and you should too!

Quote from: kwisatz on May 07, 2017, 07:18:19 PM
Reviews sound mainly positive but they also got this ongoing "nothing special" "seen before" vibe.

Guess one cinema visit itll be for me then.

Quote from: kwisatz on May 07, 2017, 07:34:11 PM
Actually im quite sure for the moment that i will like Prometheus more than A:C in the long run, but well see.

Quote from: Predaker on May 07, 2017, 07:37:18 PM

Quote from: kwisatz on May 07, 2017, 07:34:11 PM
Actually im quite sure for the moment that i will like Prometheus more than A:C in the long run, but well see.

Just swap it with A3 on that chart.  :)

Quote from: kwisatz on May 07, 2017, 07:39:03 PM

Quote from: Predaker on May 07, 2017, 07:37:18 PM

Quote from: kwisatz on May 07, 2017, 07:34:11 PM
Actually im quite sure for the moment that i will like Prometheus more than A:C in the long run, but well see.

Just swap it with A3 on that chart.  :)

Ha no way, im an Alien 3 fan.  ;D

edit: Will be kinda interesting though how many ppl will rate A:C higher than Alien 3, could become a tough contest between these two.

Quote from: Z-101 on May 07, 2017, 06:14:04 PM

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 07, 2017, 06:03:50 PM

Quote from: Z-101 on May 07, 2017, 05:55:37 PM
can someone direct me to HuDaFuk's A:C review can't find it maybe im just blind

Here ya go mate: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=57224.msg2208460#msg2208460 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=57224.msg2208460#msg2208460)

Maybe the Corporal could frontpage it with his own review?

Thank you sir

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Quote from: szkoki on May 07, 2017, 09:01:38 AM
dumb f**king chracters again? Ridley.....
showing too much the creatures?
pacing and 2nd/3rd act is off?

that doesnt sound so good. fingers crossed

Sounds to me like Prometheus all over again, just with aliens throw into it this time instead of engineers and trilobytes etc Ridleys been struck by fan service Prequel pressured Light sabre syndrome.

Quote from: shawsbaby on May 07, 2017, 01:49:49 PM

Quote from: Ultramorph on May 07, 2017, 01:42:17 PM
The complaints I've seen are about what I was expecting. I'm still excited to see it, because this time I know what to expect going in.

Same. The film I've constructed in my mind seems like what we're getting and I'm pumped to see it.

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Not sure if this was posted. Big negative from io9:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/alien-covenant-may-be-the-biggest-disappointment-of-th-1794898330

QuoteSo Alien: Covenant gets rid of everything good about Prometheus and takes all the mystery of Alien away. It basically makes both films worse.

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on May 07, 2017, 08:34:11 PM

Quote from: shawsbaby on May 07, 2017, 01:49:49 PM

Quote from: Ultramorph on May 07, 2017, 01:42:17 PM
The complaints I've seen are about what I was expecting. I'm still excited to see it, because this time I know what to expect going in.

Same. The film I've constructed in my mind seems like what we're getting and I'm pumped to see it.

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Not sure if this was posted. Big negative from io9:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/alien-covenant-may-be-the-biggest-disappointment-of-th-1794898330

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this statement from io9:

QuoteSo Alien: Covenant gets rid of everything good about Prometheus and takes all the mystery of Alien away. It basically makes both films worse.

I have not seen the movie yet, but even if it ends up being a bad film (which is unlikely, due to the large number of positive reviews), there is no way this this flick can "make worse" the original Alien. Also, and IIRC, they mostly praised TFA. So, I don't know if we should take them very seriously  :P

Quote from: Predaker on May 07, 2017, 08:40:08 PM

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on May 07, 2017, 08:34:11 PM

Quote from: shawsbaby on May 07, 2017, 01:49:49 PM

Quote from: Ultramorph on May 07, 2017, 01:42:17 PM
The complaints I've seen are about what I was expecting. I'm still excited to see it, because this time I know what to expect going in.

Same. The film I've constructed in my mind seems like what we're getting and I'm pumped to see it.

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Not sure if this was posted. Big negative from io9:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/alien-covenant-may-be-the-biggest-disappointment-of-th-1794898330

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this statement from io9:

QuoteSo Alien: Covenant gets rid of everything good about Prometheus and takes all the mystery of Alien away. It basically makes both films worse.

I have not seen the movie yet, but even if it ends up being a bad film (which is unlikely, due to the large number of positive reviews), there is no way this this flick can "make worse" the original Alien. Also, and IIRC, they mostly praised TFA. So, I don't know if we should take them very seriously  :P

If you don't accept David's actions in Covenant then it's not a problem but the two films are connected and part of an over-arcing story. That is going to bother some people.

edit: Maybe you haven't heard but

Spoiler

Covenant reveals that David is the creator of the Alien.

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Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 07, 2017, 05:47:30 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 07:59:07 AM
From HuDaFuk (Xenopedia editor) -
Another issue I had was the big final twist. To say it was obvious is a huge understatement; I saw it coming about 20 minutes before the end of the film, and being so obvious, it was hard to get even slightly thrilled by it. It was just so blatantly telegraphed from the moment it was set up.

Great review Corporal, good to see you being honest with both the shortcomings and positives of the film.

@HuDaFuk

If I remember correctly, the final twist was a little bit too subtle in the earlier test screenings. People didn't pick up on it and they had to change it, make it more blatant and obvious. Shows you why test screenings are never a good thing.

Quote from: Robopadna on May 07, 2017, 06:51:39 PM
Test screenings are invaluable and can help fix many issues with a film. In this case it was probably helpful and an important clarification to make.

Quote from: salomonj on May 07, 2017, 08:59:55 PM

Spoiler

is he final twist David making the alien?

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Quote from: Predaker on May 07, 2017, 07:30:54 PM

Quote from: kwisatz on May 07, 2017, 07:18:19 PM
Reviews sound mainly positive but they also got this ongoing "nothing special" "seen before" vibe.

Guess one cinema visit itll be for me then.

Interesting and almost paradoxical, like this film was both needed and not at the same time.


This is how it will go down:
1. Alien / Aliens
2. Alien3 / Alien Covenant
3. Alien Resurrection / Prometheus

Quote from: Predaker on May 07, 2017, 08:59:00 PM
So was SyntaX just trolling in the early reactions thread or is there actually more to the Alien eggs that we "knew nothing" about?

Quote from: salomonj on May 07, 2017, 09:19:52 PM
So in regards to how Covenant ends, where can they go with the sequel? Will it be focusing on David and Waterson?

Quote from: Predaker on May 07, 2017, 08:40:08 PM

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on May 07, 2017, 08:34:11 PM

Quote from: shawsbaby on May 07, 2017, 01:49:49 PM

Quote from: Ultramorph on May 07, 2017, 01:42:17 PM
The complaints I've seen are about what I was expecting. I'm still excited to see it, because this time I know what to expect going in.

Same. The film I've constructed in my mind seems like what we're getting and I'm pumped to see it.

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Not sure if this was posted. Big negative from io9:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/alien-covenant-may-be-the-biggest-disappointment-of-th-1794898330

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this statement from io9:

QuoteSo Alien: Covenant gets rid of everything good about Prometheus and takes all the mystery of Alien away. It basically makes both films worse.

I have not seen the movie yet, but even if it ends up being a bad film (which is unlikely, due to the large number of positive reviews), there is no way this this flick can "make worse" the original Alien. Also, and IIRC, they mostly praised TFA. So, I don't know if we should take them very seriously  :P

If you don't accept David's actions in Covenant then it's not a problem but the two films are connected and part of an over-arcing story. That is going to bother some people.

edit: Maybe you haven't heard but

Spoiler

Covenant reveals that David is the creator of the Alien.

[close]

Quote from: Predaker on May 07, 2017, 08:59:00 PM
So was SyntaX just trolling in the early reactions thread or is there actually more to the Alien eggs that we "knew nothing" about?

Quote from: The Cruentus on May 07, 2017, 09:19:28 PM

Quote from: Predaker on May 07, 2017, 08:59:00 PM
So was SyntaX just trolling in the early reactions thread or is there actually more to the Alien eggs that we "knew nothing" about?

Spoiler

According to Hicks and his review, David created the Xenomorph types in Covenant but regarding the actual species that we know, its left ambiguous, so there is room for the "simply recreating what already existed" theory, I suppose we will know for sure by the next sequel, if the novels don't reveal anything first.

[close]

Quote from: M_Tak on May 07, 2017, 09:44:21 PM

Quote from: The Cruentus on May 07, 2017, 09:19:28 PM

Quote from: Predaker on May 07, 2017, 08:59:00 PM
So was SyntaX just trolling in the early reactions thread or is there actually more to the Alien eggs that we "knew nothing" about?

Spoiler

According to Hicks and his review, David created the Xenomorph types in Covenant but regarding the actual species that we know, its left ambiguous, so there is room for the "simply recreating what already existed" theory, I suppose we will know for sure by the next sequel, if the novels don't reveal anything first.

[close]

I missed Hick's review, can you link me please?

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 07, 2017, 10:10:11 PM
The consensus is becoming clear: Almost an instant classic, but the third act seems off.

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 07, 2017, 10:10:11 PM
The consensus is becoming clear: Almost an instant classic, but the third act seems off.

Quote from: Robopadna on May 07, 2017, 10:13:15 PM

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 07, 2017, 10:10:11 PM
The consensus is becoming clear: Almost an instant classic, but the third act seems off.

Having read all of the reviews I don't recall any of them writing as if it was even close to an instant classic, regardless of a flawed third act.

Quote from: The Cruentus on May 07, 2017, 09:47:40 PM

Quote from: M_Tak on May 07, 2017, 09:44:21 PM

Quote from: The Cruentus on May 07, 2017, 09:19:28 PM

Quote from: Predaker on May 07, 2017, 08:59:00 PM
So was SyntaX just trolling in the early reactions thread or is there actually more to the Alien eggs that we "knew nothing" about?

Spoiler

According to Hicks and his review, David created the Xenomorph types in Covenant but regarding the actual species that we know, its left ambiguous, so there is room for the "simply recreating what already existed" theory, I suppose we will know for sure by the next sequel, if the novels don't reveal anything first.

[close]

I missed Hick's review, can you link me please?

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-covenant/review/

Quote from: Ingwar on May 07, 2017, 10:11:19 PM

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 07, 2017, 10:10:11 PM
The consensus is becoming clear: Almost an instant classic, but the third act seems off.

Sometimes movie works better after second viewing. I cannot wait to see it. 4 days left. Shit.

Quote from: TyrantUA on May 07, 2017, 07:02:33 AM
I just want someone to create a full spoiler topic describing everything that happens in the movie. Anyone, please?

Quote from: harlequinade on May 07, 2017, 06:29:16 PM
Except Fury Road is an extraordinary film that actually tops the original films

Quote from: M_Tak on May 07, 2017, 11:11:11 PM

Quote from: The Cruentus on May 07, 2017, 09:47:40 PM

Quote from: M_Tak on May 07, 2017, 09:44:21 PM

Quote from: The Cruentus on May 07, 2017, 09:19:28 PM

Quote from: Predaker on May 07, 2017, 08:59:00 PM
So was SyntaX just trolling in the early reactions thread or is there actually more to the Alien eggs that we "knew nothing" about?

Spoiler

According to Hicks and his review, David created the Xenomorph types in Covenant but regarding the actual species that we know, its left ambiguous, so there is room for the "simply recreating what already existed" theory, I suppose we will know for sure by the next sequel, if the novels don't reveal anything first.

[close]

I missed Hick's review, can you link me please?

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-covenant/review/

Cheers!

Quote from: SuicideDoors on May 08, 2017, 05:36:58 AM
4/5

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/alien-covenant-6gjnrzd9z

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 08, 2017, 08:14:01 AM
What about the rest of them?

Quote from: 900SL on May 08, 2017, 08:35:09 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 08, 2017, 08:14:01 AM
What about the rest of them?

Looks like a 6-7 on average. Seems to be quite divisive, depending on whether you have much invested in the earlier films. 

Personally I really liked A, A's and A3. Prom had a mindblowing premise but Scott struggled to deliver a plausible and coherent film. Despite that, I was hoping this film would address the threads left hanging from Prom.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 08, 2017, 07:57:34 AM

Quote from: M_Tak on May 07, 2017, 11:11:11 PM

Quote from: The Cruentus on May 07, 2017, 09:47:40 PM

Quote from: M_Tak on May 07, 2017, 09:44:21 PM

Quote from: The Cruentus on May 07, 2017, 09:19:28 PM

Quote from: Predaker on May 07, 2017, 08:59:00 PM
So was SyntaX just trolling in the early reactions thread or is there actually more to the Alien eggs that we "knew nothing" about?

Spoiler

According to Hicks and his review, David created the Xenomorph types in Covenant but regarding the actual species that we know, its left ambiguous, so there is room for the "simply recreating what already existed" theory, I suppose we will know for sure by the next sequel, if the novels don't reveal anything first.

[close]

I missed Hick's review, can you link me please?

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-covenant/review/

Cheers!

I'm curious to know what you think.

Quote from: imbrie on May 08, 2017, 10:01:12 AM
So in the lead up to Covenant's release, Ridley kept banging on about answering the questions who and why would make such a terrible thing (the alien).

From the reviews it appears that

Spoiler

David creates the Xenos but why? Is his motivation merely to create something? Why didn't he create something more pleasant than a monster? I don't get it.

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Quote from: Predaker on May 07, 2017, 08:59:00 PM
So was SyntaX just trolling in the early reactions thread or is there actually more to the Alien eggs that we "knew nothing" about?

Quote from: cucuchu on May 08, 2017, 01:05:38 PM
I had been pretty disappointed by the 'overall' score of 6.6 on RT (while the 80% fresh seems good), apparently that really is not that bad by movie standards. But actually reading the content of the reviews, like the io9 one, does it

Spoiler

really take them an hour before they land on the planet? I was under the impression that happened pretty early on.

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... it seems like they are all over the place. Guardins of the Galaxy 2 is sitting at 81% on RT and 7.1 overall score, so not much better, BUT it also has nearly 5x as many reviews on it, so who knows where A: C will sit here in a couple of weeks. I'm hoping it bumps up a little.

Just like Prometheus was a pretty divided film, this one will be too but it looks like it delivers more on what an Alien fan might want too, so I would expect it to do better at the box office at the least. Of course social media might be a larger player now in public perception and garnering interest to get asses in seats at the cinema...So if people are seeing "Alien: Covenant is the drivelling shit-stain of the summer" when they google the film, its going to hurt.  Hopefully Ridley Scott takes any criticism here and corrects those mistakes in the next film and maybe he even already has a plan to explain any of the concerns (such as the alien life cycle and differences in the Alien).

Quote from: juxtapose on May 08, 2017, 01:06:28 PM
Alien covenant still holding up nicely on RT with 80 percent after 35 reviews. .

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oh sorry we posted simultaneously. .would be interesting to see where it sits in 2 weeks time. .

Quote from: dumbass_colonist on May 08, 2017, 11:54:14 AM
Just been reading this article about reviews of Alien from back in 1979.

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2016/12/12/alien-reviews-from-yesteryear/

Seems the problems they had with that film are similar to those that their current day counterparts have with this new one.

Quote from: Bworko on May 08, 2017, 03:26:33 PM
Good news! After a few disastrous French critics (The same people who said that SW7 was a masterpiece), French critics are getting better! More and more critics find the film very good, even those considering Prometheus as a betrayal.

Quote from: dumbass_colonist on May 08, 2017, 11:54:14 AM
Just been reading this article about reviews of Alien from back in 1979.

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2016/12/12/alien-reviews-from-yesteryear/

Seems the problems they had with that film are similar to those that their current day counterparts have with this new one.

Quote from: The Cruentus on May 08, 2017, 09:11:14 AM

Quote from: 900SL on May 08, 2017, 08:35:09 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 08, 2017, 08:14:01 AM
What about the rest of them?

Looks like a 6-7 on average. Seems to be quite divisive, depending on whether you have much invested in the earlier films. 

Personally I really liked A, A's and A3. Prom had a mindblowing premise but Scott struggled to deliver a plausible and coherent film. Despite that, I was hoping this film would address the threads left hanging from Prom.

Unfortunately while the film seems to be on the good side of the scale, plausibility and continuity go out the window in this movie  :(
If you have read Hicks and Huda's review then you know what I am talking about but basically

Spoiler

the alien life-cycle is once again screwed up and while technically these ain't "normal" Xenos, they are almost identical with a exact same life-cycle, meaning they should obey the same rules...that said, even the life-cycle of tradition Xenos was inconsistent...but that was down to eu and AVP films. Here, we have some guy attacked by a hugger for only a few seconds and is infected.

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Quote from: Darth Vile on May 08, 2017, 03:51:23 PM

Quote from: dumbass_colonist on May 08, 2017, 11:54:14 AM
Just been reading this article about reviews of Alien from back in 1979.

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2016/12/12/alien-reviews-from-yesteryear/

Seems the problems they had with that film are similar to those that their current day counterparts have with this new one.

The years roll by, but people respond in the same way... We often forget the critisisms of the films deemed as 'classics', and assume they were seen as unanimously perfect. I'm just about old enough to remember many of the critisisms levelled at The Empire Strikes Back and Blade Runner when they first came out.

Quote from: Gigeresque on May 08, 2017, 03:53:23 PM

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 08, 2017, 03:51:23 PM

Quote from: dumbass_colonist on May 08, 2017, 11:54:14 AM
Just been reading this article about reviews of Alien from back in 1979.

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2016/12/12/alien-reviews-from-yesteryear/

Seems the problems they had with that film are similar to those that their current day counterparts have with this new one.

The years roll by, but people respond in the same way... We often forget the critisisms of the films deemed as 'classics', and assume they were seen as unanimously perfect. I'm just about old enough to remember many of the critisisms levelled at The Empire Strikes Back and Blade Runner when they first came out.

"Alien" And "Aliens" did NOT have great reviews at the time of their release. The opinions of those movies only improved over time, same will happen here.

Quote from: Robopadna on May 07, 2017, 06:51:39 PM

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 07, 2017, 05:47:30 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 07:59:07 AM
From HuDaFuk (Xenopedia editor) -
Another issue I had was the big final twist. To say it was obvious is a huge understatement; I saw it coming about 20 minutes before the end of the film, and being so obvious, it was hard to get even slightly thrilled by it. It was just so blatantly telegraphed from the moment it was set up.

Great review Corporal, good to see you being honest with both the shortcomings and positives of the film.

@HuDaFuk

If I remember correctly, the final twist was a little bit too subtle in the earlier test screenings. People didn't pick up on it and they had to change it, make it more blatant and obvious. Shows you why test screenings are never a good thing.

Test screenings are invaluable and can help fix many issues with a film. In this case it was probably helpful and an important clarification to make.

Quote from: Gigeresque on May 08, 2017, 03:53:23 PM

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 08, 2017, 03:51:23 PM

Quote from: dumbass_colonist on May 08, 2017, 11:54:14 AM
Just been reading this article about reviews of Alien from back in 1979.

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2016/12/12/alien-reviews-from-yesteryear/

Seems the problems they had with that film are similar to those that their current day counterparts have with this new one.

The years roll by, but people respond in the same way... We often forget the critisisms of the films deemed as 'classics', and assume they were seen as unanimously perfect. I'm just about old enough to remember many of the critisisms levelled at The Empire Strikes Back and Blade Runner when they first came out.

"Alien" And "Aliens" did NOT have great reviews at the time of their release. The opinions of those movies only improved over time, same will happen here.

Quote from: fiveways on May 08, 2017, 04:11:08 PM

Quote from: Robopadna on May 07, 2017, 06:51:39 PM

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 07, 2017, 05:47:30 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 07:59:07 AM
From HuDaFuk (Xenopedia editor) -
Another issue I had was the big final twist. To say it was obvious is a huge understatement; I saw it coming about 20 minutes before the end of the film, and being so obvious, it was hard to get even slightly thrilled by it. It was just so blatantly telegraphed from the moment it was set up.

Great review Corporal, good to see you being honest with both the shortcomings and positives of the film.

@HuDaFuk

If I remember correctly, the final twist was a little bit too subtle in the earlier test screenings. People didn't pick up on it and they had to change it, make it more blatant and obvious. Shows you why test screenings are never a good thing.

Test screenings are invaluable and can help fix many issues with a film. In this case it was probably helpful and an important clarification to make.

Or absolutely ruin it.  Original cut of Daredevil vs Theatre Cut is a great example of a film totally destroyed by audience interaction.  Granted the first version isn't great but at least it is watchable.

Quote from: Robopadna on May 08, 2017, 05:05:08 PM
There is a time and place for everything but test screenings have absolutely saved movies before and turned them into much better final products.  Sometimes people blame studios for 'interfering' with the director's 'true vision' but the true vision involved a 3.5 hour cut of a movie.  That was never going to be released and was never viable.  If the director made that cut and losing any amount of it ruins the movie, that is their fault for not knowing how to structure the film.

Quote from: cucuchu on May 08, 2017, 04:22:08 PM

That depends on a number of factors. Those movies are icons of their respective genres and generations. Do you feel Alien: Covenant can be viewed in the future in such regard? I don't know, I won't see it until the 18th but I will go in hoping that I come out believing that it can be. My mom who was able to see Alien in the cinema in '79 has said that the movie was pretty popular at the time and more so for the shock, awe, and the film felt like it was trecking new ground. Aliens perhaps in the same way but a different genre (just look at all the movies and video games that use it as a base model from which to build). Can you say the same for Alien: Covenant after watching it? That will be the question.

Now also keep in mind that it can still get better over time still and not be as highly regarded as Alien/Aliens. There is middle ground. I put Alien 3 in the middle ground camp personally, as I enjoy it more over time but I still find it to be extremely flawed. Alien Resurrection on the other hand, has become WORSE to me over time. I was 14 or 15 when I saw it in the cinema and remembered enjoying it quite a bit but over time it feels cheesy and out of place....to the point that I have retconned it within my own mind as a fever dream of Ripley's. Prometheus I feel has gotten slightly better over time for me as well, though I did quite enjoy when it first debuted and that was because I was under the assumption already that the film was just building a base for further stories for Ridley Scott to tell with more movies. Alien Covenant.... I expect it will fall into the same camp as Prometheus but with better initial public perception.

Quote from: Robopadna on May 08, 2017, 05:05:08 PM

Quote from: fiveways on May 08, 2017, 04:11:08 PM

Quote from: Robopadna on May 07, 2017, 06:51:39 PM

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 07, 2017, 05:47:30 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 07, 2017, 07:59:07 AM
From HuDaFuk (Xenopedia editor) -
Another issue I had was the big final twist. To say it was obvious is a huge understatement; I saw it coming about 20 minutes before the end of the film, and being so obvious, it was hard to get even slightly thrilled by it. It was just so blatantly telegraphed from the moment it was set up.

Great review Corporal, good to see you being honest with both the shortcomings and positives of the film.

@HuDaFuk

If I remember correctly, the final twist was a little bit too subtle in the earlier test screenings. People didn't pick up on it and they had to change it, make it more blatant and obvious. Shows you why test screenings are never a good thing.

Test screenings are invaluable and can help fix many issues with a film. In this case it was probably helpful and an important clarification to make.

Or absolutely ruin it.  Original cut of Daredevil vs Theatre Cut is a great example of a film totally destroyed by audience interaction.  Granted the first version isn't great but at least it is watchable.

There is a time and place for everything but test screenings have absolutely saved movies before and turned them into much better final products.  Sometimes people blame studios for 'interfering' with the director's 'true vision' but the true vision involved a 3.5 hour cut of a movie.  That was never going to be released and was never viable.  If the director made that cut and losing any amount of it ruins the movie, that is their fault for not knowing how to structure the film.

Quote from: Gigeresque on May 08, 2017, 05:41:23 PM
Positive from Fangoria. 4/4 skulls.

   http://www.fangoria.com/new/ridley-scott-goes-back-to-his-alien-roots-with-alien-covenant-review/    (http://www.fangoria.com/new/ridley-scott-goes-back-to-his-alien-roots-with-alien-covenant-review/)

QuoteDirector Ridley Scott uses stunning visual effects to deftly show the ultimate isolation of space; and the Xenomorphs are more realistic and violent than ever.  Having recently seen the original film in a theater on "Alien Day", it's amazing how far visual effects have come in the last 38 years.  The script by John August and Dante Harbor make inspired use of Fassbender as the surprisingly human Walter and his more sinister synthetic predecessor David, the lone survivor of the Prometheus.  David is charming, polite and so very British, but his mission has nothing to do with serving mankind.

Once things get going, Ridley Scott keeps the pedal down, delivering thrill after grisly thrill, making the metallic nooks and crannies of the Covenant just as scary as the Nostromo's were over three decades ago.  He's a master at the top of his game and this film is nothing less than a gift to the fans.

Final Verdict: 4 out of 4 SKULLS (and 1 Broken Chest Cavity)

Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 05:59:47 PM
Guys and gals, the general consensus is it's better than Prometheus. The film has Engineers. The film has proto aliens, creatures we've never seen. Many have said it feels like Prometheus with a hint of Alien '79 nostalgia. With all of this, you'd really be disappointed even though it's already considered a better AND worthy sequel to Prometheus?

Go to this film with an open mind. Be excited. Don't hold faith in reviews and wait and see.

Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 05:59:47 PM
Guys and gals, the general consensus is it's better than Prometheus. The film has Engineers. The film has proto aliens, creatures we've never seen. Many have said it feels like Prometheus with a hint of Alien '79 nostalgia. With all of this, you'd really be disappointed even though it's already considered a better AND worthy sequel to Prometheus?

Go to this film with an open mind. Be excited. Don't hold faith in reviews and wait and see.

Quote from: T Dog on May 08, 2017, 07:33:42 PM
I read a review that said it takes an hour for the crew to land on the planet. WTF! what the hell is the first hour of the film then?

The end must be mega rushed then.

Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 07:36:33 PM

Quote from: T Dog on May 08, 2017, 07:33:42 PM
I read a review that said it takes an hour for the crew to land on the planet. WTF! what the hell is the first hour of the film then?

The end must be mega rushed then.

Which review was this?

Also, I know it's not the Prometheus sequel we wanted. But it's also the Alien film many wanted. I adored Prometheus and admit I'd like to see more of the mythology presented in it. But I'm just grateful the franchise is in Ridley's hands for now, I don't want to stir up shit about what could have been or what should have been. I enjoy the moment, and if done well I look forward to Covenant's sequel.

Quote from: T Dog on May 08, 2017, 07:33:42 PM
I read a review that said it takes an hour for the crew to land on the planet. WTF! what the hell is the first hour of the film then?

The end must be mega rushed then.

Quote from: T Dog on May 08, 2017, 07:33:42 PM
I read a review that said it takes an hour for the crew to land on the planet. WTF! what the hell is the first hour of the film then?

The end must be mega rushed then.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 08, 2017, 07:57:08 PM

Quote from: T Dog on May 08, 2017, 07:33:42 PM
I read a review that said it takes an hour for the crew to land on the planet. WTF! what the hell is the first hour of the film then?

The end must be mega rushed then.

I'm fairly certain it isn't an hour. Maybe half hour or so.

Quote from: reecebomb on May 08, 2017, 09:04:56 PM
Ridley Scott is a sellout, he could have done a film that really explores the engineers world and continues the story of Shaw and David in unprecedented ways but instead gave us almost the same movie, while simultaneously f**king up the classic lore and as a result, make Prometheus and ALIEN worse in retrospect. RT score is currently higher than i thought it would be, but having actually read most of the reviews, even the positive ones doesn't imply that it's much more than a run of the mill experience that looks like a 100 million dollars.

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 08, 2017, 09:14:03 PM
Overreact much? Fandom is often the worst place for objective critisism.

QuoteBut it's Fassbender's show. He is beautifully nuanced when playing both David and Walter. Subtle differences in approach to what is basically the same character displays a depth and understanding of what's required to make us engage with this particular journey. It makes us question who really is the monster - the beast, or its maker?

Visually, Alien Covenant is never quite as polished as its predecessor, but it still looks stunning. And the latest iteration of the alien - which comes in a few forms here - is a triumph. Much like the film itself.

Quote from: T Dog on May 08, 2017, 07:39:39 PM

Quote from: Citadel on May 08, 2017, 07:36:33 PM

Quote from: T Dog on May 08, 2017, 07:33:42 PM
I read a review that said it takes an hour for the crew to land on the planet. WTF! what the hell is the first hour of the film then?

The end must be mega rushed then.

Which review was this?

Also, I know it's not the Prometheus sequel we wanted. But it's also the Alien film many wanted. I adored Prometheus and admit I'd like to see more of the mythology presented in it. But I'm just grateful the franchise is in Ridley's hands for now, I don't want to stir up shit about what could have been or what should have been. I enjoy the moment, and if done well I look forward to Covenant's sequel.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/alien-covenant-may-be-the-biggest-disappointment-of-th-1794898330

Sounds like its a very messy movie

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 08, 2017, 07:57:08 PM

Quote from: T Dog on May 08, 2017, 07:33:42 PM
I read a review that said it takes an hour for the crew to land on the planet. WTF! what the hell is the first hour of the film then?

The end must be mega rushed then.

I'm fairly certain it isn't an hour. Maybe half hour or so.

Quote from: DaddyYautja on May 08, 2017, 10:07:24 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 08, 2017, 07:57:08 PM

Quote from: T Dog on May 08, 2017, 07:33:42 PM
I read a review that said it takes an hour for the crew to land on the planet. WTF! what the hell is the first hour of the film then?

The end must be mega rushed then.

I'm fairly certain it isn't an hour. Maybe half hour or so.

Didnt it take 45 minutes for the marines to finally enter HH?

in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 nothing is really happening way pass the halfway point and apparently people like that movie.

Quote from: reecebomb on May 08, 2017, 09:19:33 PM

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 08, 2017, 09:14:03 PM
Overreact much? Fandom is often the worst place for objective critisism.

Maybe i am overreacting, i will see it in couple days. Actually after having read the reviews, i'm far from being the only one who thinks that it will further diminish the impact of the classic movies without offering much new to the series.

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 08, 2017, 10:19:06 PM

Quote from: reecebomb on May 08, 2017, 09:19:33 PM

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 08, 2017, 09:14:03 PM
Overreact much? Fandom is often the worst place for objective critisism.

Maybe i am overreacting, i will see it in couple days. Actually after having read the reviews, i'm far from being the only one who thinks that it will further diminish the impact of the classic movies without offering much new to the series.

The film appears, thus far, to be a critical success... There is a positive consensus. That of course doesn't mean you have to like it.

Quote from: salomonj on May 08, 2017, 10:15:03 PM
Rotten Tomatoes consensus:
"Alien: Covenant delivers another satisfying round of close-quarters deep-space terror, even if it doesn't take the saga in any new directions."

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 08, 2017, 10:41:19 PM

Quote from: salomonj on May 08, 2017, 10:15:03 PM
Rotten Tomatoes consensus:
"Alien: Covenant delivers another satisfying round of close-quarters deep-space terror, even if it doesn't take the saga in any new directions."

That consensus is kind of funny because it's dividing people due to the new direction.

Quote from: Gigeresque on May 08, 2017, 11:09:33 PM
Now it needs to pass $111 million and sequel is good to go.

Quote from: reecebomb on May 08, 2017, 09:04:56 PM
Ridley Scott is a sellout, he could have done a film that really explores the engineers world and continues the story of Shaw and David in unprecedented ways but instead gave us almost the same movie, while simultaneously f**king up the classic lore and as a result, make Prometheus and ALIEN worse in retrospect. RT score is currently higher than i thought it would be, but having actually read most of the reviews, even the positive ones doesn't imply that it's much more than a run of the mill experience that looks like a 100 million dollars.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 08, 2017, 07:57:08 PM

Quote from: T Dog on May 08, 2017, 07:33:42 PM
I read a review that said it takes an hour for the crew to land on the planet. WTF! what the hell is the first hour of the film then?

The end must be mega rushed then.

I'm fairly certain it isn't an hour. Maybe half hour or so.

Quote from: Salt The Fries on May 09, 2017, 03:15:26 AM
The current situation with the critics reminds me of gamers...first they bitch about Prometheus not being like previous Alien films and when they "wanted f**king aliens" they bitch that Covenant doesn't break any new ground.

Quote from: Protozoid on May 09, 2017, 03:53:45 AMYou guys are assuming that the same people are voicing all of these complaints.

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 08, 2017, 10:41:19 PM

Quote from: salomonj on May 08, 2017, 10:15:03 PM
Rotten Tomatoes consensus:
"Alien: Covenant delivers another satisfying round of close-quarters deep-space terror, even if it doesn't take the saga in any new directions."

That consensus is kind of funny because it's dividing people due to the new direction.

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 09, 2017, 07:00:36 AM

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 08, 2017, 10:41:19 PM

Quote from: salomonj on May 08, 2017, 10:15:03 PM
Rotten Tomatoes consensus:
"Alien: Covenant delivers another satisfying round of close-quarters deep-space terror, even if it doesn't take the saga in any new directions."

That consensus is kind of funny because it's dividing people due to the new direction.

I think the only people who will be remotely divided are fans... and that's basically fandom for you.

Quote from: Sway on May 09, 2017, 02:43:00 AM

Quote from: reecebomb on May 08, 2017, 09:04:56 PM
Ridley Scott is a sellout, he could have done a film that really explores the engineers world and continues the story of Shaw and David in unprecedented ways but instead gave us almost the same movie, while simultaneously f**king up the classic lore and as a result, make Prometheus and ALIEN worse in retrospect. RT score is currently higher than i thought it would be, but having actually read most of the reviews, even the positive ones doesn't imply that it's much more than a run of the mill experience that looks like a 100 million dollars.

What are you even talking about? Sellout? What did he sell out to? Was the original film made strictly as an artistic vision with no real concern for making money? And the classic in only being "f**ked up" because he's not catering to your specific idea on the direction new films should take? I mean, you could just ignore all of it and stick to the very small/well explored world of the first three films that we've all already seen countless times. It seems you've got it all figured out so perhaps you should make your own prequel.

Quote from: 900SL on May 09, 2017, 08:10:08 AM

Quote from: Sway on May 09, 2017, 02:43:00 AM

Quote from: reecebomb on May 08, 2017, 09:04:56 PM
Ridley Scott is a sellout, he could have done a film that really explores the engineers world and continues the story of Shaw and David in unprecedented ways but instead gave us almost the same movie, while simultaneously f**king up the classic lore and as a result, make Prometheus and ALIEN worse in retrospect. RT score is currently higher than i thought it would be, but having actually read most of the reviews, even the positive ones doesn't imply that it's much more than a run of the mill experience that looks like a 100 million dollars.

What are you even talking about? Sellout? What did he sell out to? Was the original film made strictly as an artistic vision with no real concern for making money? And the classic in only being "f**ked up" because he's not catering to your specific idea on the direction new films should take? I mean, you could just ignore all of it and stick to the very small/well explored world of the first three films that we've all already seen countless times. It seems you've got it all figured out so perhaps you should make your own prequel.

The OP is referring, I think, to the fact that Scott has apparently ignored the big questions that were left hanging from Prometheus, namely:

1: What happened on LV223 to the Engineers?
2: Why were they going to wipe out humanity?
3: What is the relationship between the Alien and Engineer as depicted in the mural?
4: What is the source of the bioweapon?
5: How does this all feed back to the Space Jockey?

He must be leaving these for the sequels/prequels. So keep paying. 

He also appears to have written Shaw out without a word (shades of Alien 3 anybody), spliced in a final third that follows Alien/s tropes, and has a love affair with Fassbender (which I don't have a problem with, because David was the core of Prometheus, and a tremendous character). He may also be taking the whole caravan on a route that doesn't necessarily gell with the continuity set down in earlier films

I'm not a fanboy, but I have certain expectations from films that I choose to pay to see. One of which is that the film respects my intelligence as a viewer, and not treat me like my brain has been wiped clean. I'll give my full review after I've seen the film, but the way I see it right now is that this is at best a filler piece, tangential, and orbits around David.  It may be a good film in its own right, but I'm left with the nagging feeling that Scott and Fox are set to keep stringing the audience along for as long as they keep paying. And I don't respect that.

Quote from: 900SL on May 09, 2017, 08:10:08 AM

Quote from: Sway on May 09, 2017, 02:43:00 AM

Quote from: reecebomb on May 08, 2017, 09:04:56 PM
Ridley Scott is a sellout, he could have done a film that really explores the engineers world and continues the story of Shaw and David in unprecedented ways but instead gave us almost the same movie, while simultaneously f**king up the classic lore and as a result, make Prometheus and ALIEN worse in retrospect. RT score is currently higher than i thought it would be, but having actually read most of the reviews, even the positive ones doesn't imply that it's much more than a run of the mill experience that looks like a 100 million dollars.

What are you even talking about? Sellout? What did he sell out to? Was the original film made strictly as an artistic vision with no real concern for making money? And the classic in only being "f**ked up" because he's not catering to your specific idea on the direction new films should take? I mean, you could just ignore all of it and stick to the very small/well explored world of the first three films that we've all already seen countless times. It seems you've got it all figured out so perhaps you should make your own prequel.

The OP is referring, I think, to the fact that Scott has apparently ignored the big questions that were left hanging from Prometheus, namely:

1: What happened on LV223 to the Engineers?
2: Why were they going to wipe out humanity?
3: What is the relationship between the Alien and Engineer as depicted in the mural?
4: What is the source of the bioweapon?
5: How does this all feed back to the Space Jockey?

He must be leaving these for the sequels/prequels. So keep paying. 

He also appears to have written Shaw out without a word (shades of Alien 3 anybody), spliced in a final third that follows Alien/s tropes, and has a love affair with Fassbender (which I don't have a problem with, because David was the core of Prometheus, and a tremendous character). He may also be taking the whole caravan on a route that doesn't necessarily gell with the continuity set down in earlier films

I'm not a fanboy, but I have certain expectations from films that I choose to pay to see. One of which is that the film respects my intelligence as a viewer, and not treat me like my brain has been wiped clean. I'll give my full review after I've seen the film, but the way I see it right now is that this is at best a filler piece, tangential, and orbits around David.  It may be a good film in its own right, but I'm left with the nagging feeling that Scott and Fox are set to keep stringing the audience along for as long as they keep paying. And I don't respect that.

Quote from: reecebomb on May 08, 2017, 09:19:33 PM


Maybe i am overreacting, i will see it in couple days. Actually after having read the reviews, i'm far from being the only one who thinks that it will further diminish the impact of the classic movies without offering much new to the series.

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 09, 2017, 08:42:27 AM

Quote from: 900SL on May 09, 2017, 08:10:08 AM

Quote from: Sway on May 09, 2017, 02:43:00 AM

Quote from: reecebomb on May 08, 2017, 09:04:56 PM
Ridley Scott is a sellout, he could have done a film that really explores the engineers world and continues the story of Shaw and David in unprecedented ways but instead gave us almost the same movie, while simultaneously f**king up the classic lore and as a result, make Prometheus and ALIEN worse in retrospect. RT score is currently higher than i thought it would be, but having actually read most of the reviews, even the positive ones doesn't imply that it's much more than a run of the mill experience that looks like a 100 million dollars.

What are you even talking about? Sellout? What did he sell out to? Was the original film made strictly as an artistic vision with no real concern for making money? And the classic in only being "f**ked up" because he's not catering to your specific idea on the direction new films should take? I mean, you could just ignore all of it and stick to the very small/well explored world of the first three films that we've all already seen countless times. It seems you've got it all figured out so perhaps you should make your own prequel.

The OP is referring, I think, to the fact that Scott has apparently ignored the big questions that were left hanging from Prometheus, namely:

1: What happened on LV223 to the Engineers?
2: Why were they going to wipe out humanity?
3: What is the relationship between the Alien and Engineer as depicted in the mural?
4: What is the source of the bioweapon?
5: How does this all feed back to the Space Jockey?

He must be leaving these for the sequels/prequels. So keep paying. 

He also appears to have written Shaw out without a word (shades of Alien 3 anybody), spliced in a final third that follows Alien/s tropes, and has a love affair with Fassbender (which I don't have a problem with, because David was the core of Prometheus, and a tremendous character). He may also be taking the whole caravan on a route that doesn't necessarily gell with the continuity set down in earlier films

I'm not a fanboy, but I have certain expectations from films that I choose to pay to see. One of which is that the film respects my intelligence as a viewer, and not treat me like my brain has been wiped clean. I'll give my full review after I've seen the film, but the way I see it right now is that this is at best a filler piece, tangential, and orbits around David.  It may be a good film in its own right, but I'm left with the nagging feeling that Scott and Fox are set to keep stringing the audience along for as long as they keep paying. And I don't respect that.

Covenant is as "filler" as any Marvel sequel or new Star Wars film. It's a film that doesn't need to exist but, if nothing else, is a very well made and enjoyable thrill ride. After seeing it, I'd confidently say it's hands down the best Alien film since Aliens. It's a very contemporary take on an Alien film... and, like the vast majority of populist cinema, it is not perfect because (IMO) the filmmaker's primary objective is to entertain the mass audience rather than satisfy the wish fullfillments of each and every fan (which differs from person to person). Covenant is very much a crossover between Prometheus and Alien...

The film is not duty bound to answer any of those "big questions", and I'm not sure Scott would think he was neglecting them... in so much as he probably thinks that they don't need to be answered. If, by the end of the next film, we know where/which culture the derelict craft in Alien came from... if we know the origin of the xeno itself; then I'd say that Scott has done exactly what he intended to do. Again, that doesn't mean you have to like it.

Quote from: SyntaX on May 09, 2017, 07:12:01 AM

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 09, 2017, 07:00:36 AM

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 08, 2017, 10:41:19 PM

Quote from: salomonj on May 08, 2017, 10:15:03 PM
Rotten Tomatoes consensus:
"Alien: Covenant delivers another satisfying round of close-quarters deep-space terror, even if it doesn't take the saga in any new directions."

That consensus is kind of funny because it's dividing people due to the new direction.

I think the only people who will be remotely divided are fans... and that's basically fandom for you.

Which, again, is what I said.

Covenant "reshapes" the franchise. It's a bold piece. But it could've been executed much-MUCH better.

Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 09, 2017, 01:18:26 AM
Sadly not.

Whose idea was it to not have Franco as Oram.

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 08, 2017, 08:14:01 AM
What about the rest of them?

Looks like a 6-7 on average. Seems to be quite divisive, depending on whether you have much invested in the earlier films. 

Personally I really liked A, A's and A3. Prom had a mindblowing premise but Scott struggled to deliver a plausible and coherent film. Despite that, I was hoping this film would address the threads left hanging from Prom.

Unfortunately while the film seems to be on the good side of the scale, plausibility and continuity go out the window in this movie  :(
If you have read Hicks and Huda's review then you know what I am talking about but basically

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the alien life-cycle is once again screwed up and while technically these ain't "normal" Xenos, they are almost identical with a exact same life-cycle, meaning they should obey the same rules...that said, even the life-cycle of tradition Xenos was inconsistent...but that was down to eu and AVP films. Here, we have some guy attacked by a hugger for only a few seconds and is infected.

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Which character gets

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s attacked by a face hugger for seconds?

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Quote from: Darth Vile on May 09, 2017, 08:42:27 AM

Quote from: 900SL on May 09, 2017, 08:10:08 AM

The OP is referring, I think, to the fact that Scott has apparently ignored the big questions that were left hanging from Prometheus, namely:

1: What happened on LV223 to the Engineers?
2: Why were they going to wipe out humanity?
3: What is the relationship between the Alien and Engineer as depicted in the mural?
4: What is the source of the bioweapon?
5: How does this all feed back to the Space Jockey?

He must be leaving these for the sequels/prequels. So keep paying. 

He also appears to have written Shaw out without a word (shades of Alien 3 anybody), spliced in a final third that follows Alien/s tropes, and has a love affair with Fassbender (which I don't have a problem with, because David was the core of Prometheus, and a tremendous character). He may also be taking the whole caravan on a route that doesn't necessarily gell with the continuity set down in earlier films

I'm not a fanboy, but I have certain expectations from films that I choose to pay to see. One of which is that the film respects my intelligence as a viewer, and not treat me like my brain has been wiped clean. I'll give my full review after I've seen the film, but the way I see it right now is that this is at best a filler piece, tangential, and orbits around David.  It may be a good film in its own right, but I'm left with the nagging feeling that Scott and Fox are set to keep stringing the audience along for as long as they keep paying. And I don't respect that.

Covenant is as "filler" as any Marvel sequel or new Star Wars film. It's a film that doesn't need to exist but, if nothing else, is a very well made and enjoyable thrill ride. After seeing it, I'd confidently say it's hands down the best Alien film since Aliens. It's a very contemporary take on an Alien film... and, like the vast majority of populist cinema, it is not perfect because (IMO) the filmmaker's primary objective is to entertain the mass audience rather than satisfy the wish fullfillments of each and every fan (which differs from person to person). Covenant is very much a crossover between Prometheus and Alien...

The film is not duty bound to answer any of those "big questions", and I'm not sure Scott would think he was neglecting them... in so much as he probably thinks that they don't need to be answered. If, by the end of the next film, we know where/which culture the derelict craft in Alien came from... if we know the origin of the xeno itself; then I'd say that Scott has done exactly what he intended to do. Again, that doesn't mean you have to like it.

Quote from: 900SL on May 09, 2017, 12:20:00 PM


Scott himself is personally quite invested in origin theory and this is why Prometheus went the way it did. I'm pretty certain that he will maintain a connect with Prom, and answer the questions it raised, at some point. He has said as much in previous interviews. I guess I just expected more denoument in AC

Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 09, 2017, 02:25:11 PM
I felt Prometheus needed at least another 20-30 minutes and I'll likely feel the same about AC. I think Ridley drives himself too hard to prove he can be as fast and pacey as the younger generation, and it comes off as trying too hard. Hurts the film.

Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 09, 2017, 02:25:11 PM
I felt Prometheus needed at least another 20-30 minutes and I'll likely feel the same about AC. I think Ridley drives himself too hard to prove he can be as fast and pacey as the younger generation, and it comes off as trying too hard. Hurts the film.

Quote from: Evanus on May 09, 2017, 04:05:11 PM
Ah, I see.  :-\

I don't like how they're straight up contradicting stuff from the original films.

Quote from: Synyster on May 09, 2017, 04:59:03 PM
Maybe originally incubation happened quickly and as the DNA of the creature progresses it takes longer. I don't see the big deal?

Quote from: Protozoid on May 09, 2017, 06:06:46 PM
So funny that, for all the changed directions and split opinions, Covenant currently has almost identical scores to Prometheus on Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes. Same Metascore, 65, and Covenant is only one percent more fresh on the Tomatometer. That's kind of wacky.

Quote from: Charles de LauzirikaI thought the second act was very interesting, and something we haven't seen in an ALIEN film before. Fassbender is terrific in both roles.

Quote from: Wayne Haag#AlienCovenant Cast & crew screening last night in Sydney. It certainly looks great, there's some cool moments.. but.. there's a few buts..

Quote from: Wayne HaagThere's a nice little Blade Runner reference in Covenant actually!

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 09, 2017, 06:10:18 PM
From the man behind the Alien 3 Assembly Cut, Furious Gods and the Alien Anthology/Quadrilogy making-of's and bonus material:

Quote from: Charles de LauzirikaI thought the second act was very interesting, and something we haven't seen in an ALIEN film before. Fassbender is terrific in both roles.

https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/861946759039156224 (https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/861946759039156224)

He also confirmed his non-involvement with the Alien: Covenant Making-of documentary.

https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/861947419965009920 (https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/861947419965009920)
I

From Wayne Haag, Alien: Covenant Concept Artist:

Quote from: Wayne Haag#AlienCovenant Cast & crew screening last night in Sydney. It certainly looks great, there's some cool moments.. but.. there's a few buts..

https://twitter.com/ankaris/status/861350473424445440
(https://twitter.com/ankaris/status/861350473424445440)

Quote from: Wayne HaagThere's a nice little Blade Runner reference in Covenant actually!

https://twitter.com/ankaris/status/861766754237784065 (https://twitter.com/ankaris/status/861766754237784065)

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 09, 2017, 06:10:18 PM
From the man behind the Alien 3 Assembly Cut, Furious Gods and the Alien Anthology/Quadrilogy making-of's and bonus material:

Quote from: Charles de LauzirikaI thought the second act was very interesting, and something we haven't seen in an ALIEN film before. Fassbender is terrific in both roles.

https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/861946759039156224 (https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/861946759039156224)

He also confirmed his non-involvement with the Alien: Covenant Making-of documentary.

https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/861947419965009920 (https://twitter.com/Lauzirika/status/861947419965009920)


From Wayne Haag, Alien: Covenant Concept Artist:

Quote from: Wayne Haag#AlienCovenant Cast & crew screening last night in Sydney. It certainly looks great, there's some cool moments.. but.. there's a few buts..

https://twitter.com/ankaris/status/861350473424445440
(https://twitter.com/ankaris/status/861350473424445440)

Quote from: Wayne HaagThere's a nice little Blade Runner reference in Covenant actually!

https://twitter.com/ankaris/status/861766754237784065 (https://twitter.com/ankaris/status/861766754237784065)

Quote from: Jonesy1974 on May 09, 2017, 02:33:11 PM
Yeah I've always felt another 20-30 minutes would have improved Prometheus massively and it does sound like Covenant suffers the same. I'm not sure its because he's trying to keep up with the younger generation though, I just think he likes to keep his films trim.

Quote from: SPECIAL FORCES on May 09, 2017, 10:54:54 AM
Love and respect for everyone here (i think i fought with/against some people here since avpgold and avp2010)...i have some questions for those who watched the film.10 more days 4me.  >:(

1)The ''tracking'' clip had bad cgi for the alien.Did not look real enough.Did they correct it? like with the alien trying to break the glass shot from the trailer.Same question about the shot with the neomorph opening its mouth.I dont mean to make it perfect but at least to give some weight to the beasts.Hope those were unfinished shots.

2)Do they explain whats with the alien's vision? (tracking clip). Just curious if there is any resemblance with the avp games.

3)Is there an intense ''long'' scene with facehuggers? like the 2 Burke released on aliens.Except the egg scene from the trailer i mean.

***please no spoilers!

Exciting times!! remember like yesterday watching alien 3 in the cinema as a child...couldnt sleep well for a week.

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 09, 2017, 08:27:38 PM
A very positive review from Arrow In the Head! 9/10

QuoteSince the profundity of the screenplay coldly cuts to the core of humanity's inherent fallibility [...]

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Quote from: Jonesy1974 on May 09, 2017, 02:33:11 PM
Yeah I've always felt another 20-30 minutes would have improved Prometheus massively and it does sound like Covenant suffers the same. I'm not sure its because he's trying to keep up with the younger generation though, I just think he likes to keep his films trim.

Well, that's a lot of b*llsh*t really. Two hours is quite long for a horror movie. Most horror movies last 90 minutes, so 120 minutes is already quite long.
Prometheus problems don't stem from its length. The editing created a major problem by having Shaw's c-section happen at the same time as Fifield's attack followed by a complete switch to focus on Weyland without any follow up to the two scenes that had just preceded.
That's on top of other problems, but this is really jarring.
I don't believe that an extended cut would have fixed the problem. The script didn't thread the separate plot thread together, so running time isn't the issue.
Seeing Covenant in two days, can't comment on it yet.
I'LL BE BACK.

Also, looking on Rotten tomatoes, funny how some reviewers lament the "deja vu" of the xenomorph when the criticism on Prometheus was focusing on how it wasn't going all the way as an Alien movie. I swear, some reviewers are so full of shit...

Quote from: Jonesy1974 on May 09, 2017, 09:00:20 PM
While I get your point about the length of horror movies, I don't really regard Prometheus as a horror film.

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Quote from: echobbase79 on May 09, 2017, 08:27:38 PM
A very positive review from Arrow In the Head! 9/10

Shame it comes from that source. Difficult to take seriously someone who has that much trouble writing for human folk. Given that whoever wrote this has more interest in watching himself write than doing his job for readers, I'm not sure he's capable of judging a movie from the point of view of the audience. This is coming from a writer, by the way. But sentences such as

QuoteSince the profundity of the screenplay coldly cuts to the core of humanity's inherent fallibility [...]

should not be allowed. Alliterations and work on rhythm can do wonders, but at the core your sentence needs to make sense. The people who gave lower scores to Covenant seem to agree about the movie being beautiful but messy, so I'm not surprised that someone who doesn't care much about clarity behind the art would give the movie a near perfect score.

Sorry about the rant.

All the other positive reviews I've read ( without spoiling myself too much, thankfully ) seem to say that if you're looking for a good and relentless horror movie, Covenant has you covered. So I must admit I can't wait til Thursday... Very excited :D

Quote from: Beardomorph on May 09, 2017, 09:08:06 PM

Quote from: Jonesy1974 on May 09, 2017, 09:00:20 PM
While I get your point about the length of horror movies, I don't really regard Prometheus as a horror film.

You got me there, I must say ;) . You're right. I do wish we had ended up with a version of the final longer scene/fight between Shaw and the Engineer. Even though the unfinished scene was a bit awkward I do think that it made that part of the movie better to allow Shaw a minute to breathe a little ( and drink ) and for the Engineer to ponder a few seconds about human technology. So I get what you're saying as well. But that script though :D

Now, about Covenant. Considering that Covenant is a straight-up horror movie, and apparently "relentless", two hours is a good running time. I might change my mind after seeing the movie, but the fact is that a vast majority of the best horror movies out there are also fairly short ( around 90 minutes ) and it's the horror that is supposed to make it feel longer.

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 09, 2017, 09:17:34 PMSounds like the writer was trying to make a very poignant sentence and it failed. Should've kept it simple.

Quote from: Beardomorph on May 09, 2017, 09:25:14 PM

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 09, 2017, 09:17:34 PMSounds like the writer was trying to make a very poignant sentence and it failed. Should've kept it simple.

It's a matter of taste I suppose. Not many things get under my skin but wanky writing definitely does :D
And I would not usually comment on that kind of writing - I can accept that some people might enjoy it - but for a movie review it's just wildly inappropriate because the focus should be on the movie and your opinion of it, not on how much you enjoy your thesaurus.

Quote from: kwisatz on May 09, 2017, 09:23:34 PM
Lol Wayne Haag was concept Artist on Covenant, right?

"... but ... a few buts ..."

haha wtf this guy must have of balls of steel to throw out this level of criticism even before the official release, omg RESPECT, he doesnt seem to be afraid this could backfire at him or he doesnt care, whatever it is RESPECTO MUCHO!

And for AC it concerns me even more.

Im actually a bit shocked, can anyone present similar criticism from a person involved pre-release or even post on this level of production?

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Quote from: kwisatz on May 09, 2017, 09:23:34 PM
Lol Wayne Haag was concept Artist on Covenant, right?

"... but ... a few buts ..."

haha wtf this guy must have of balls of steel to throw out this level of criticism even before the official release, omg RESPECT, he doesnt seem to be afraid this could backfire at him or he doesnt care, whatever it is RESPECTO MUCHO!

And for AC it concerns me even more.

Im actually a bit shocked, can anyone present similar criticism from a person involved pre-release or even post on this level of production?

No it's extremely unprofessional.

Quote from: Jonesy1974 on May 09, 2017, 09:42:35 PM

Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 09, 2017, 09:39:08 PM

Quote from: kwisatz on May 09, 2017, 09:23:34 PM
Lol Wayne Haag was concept Artist on Covenant, right?

"... but ... a few buts ..."

haha wtf this guy must have of balls of steel to throw out this level of criticism even before the official release, omg RESPECT, he doesnt seem to be afraid this could backfire at him or he doesnt care, whatever it is RESPECTO MUCHO!

And for AC it concerns me even more.

Im actually a bit shocked, can anyone present similar criticism from a person involved pre-release or even post on this level of production?

No it's extremely unprofessional.

Yes very

Quote from: kwisatz on May 09, 2017, 09:23:34 PM
Lol Wayne Haag was concept Artist on Covenant, right?

"... but ... a few buts ..."

haha wtf this guy must have of balls of steel to throw out this level of criticism even before the official release, omg RESPECT, he doesnt seem to be afraid this could backfire at him or he doesnt care, whatever it is RESPECTO MUCHO!

And for AC it concerns me even more.

Im actually a bit shocked, can anyone present similar criticism from a person involved pre-release or even post on this level of production?

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 09, 2017, 09:46:08 PM

Quote from: Jonesy1974 on May 09, 2017, 09:42:35 PM

Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 09, 2017, 09:39:08 PM

Quote from: kwisatz on May 09, 2017, 09:23:34 PM
Lol Wayne Haag was concept Artist on Covenant, right?

"... but ... a few buts ..."

haha wtf this guy must have of balls of steel to throw out this level of criticism even before the official release, omg RESPECT, he doesnt seem to be afraid this could backfire at him or he doesnt care, whatever it is RESPECTO MUCHO!

And for AC it concerns me even more.

Im actually a bit shocked, can anyone present similar criticism from a person involved pre-release or even post on this level of production?

No it's extremely unprofessional.

Yes very

How's it unprofessional? He was just sharing his opinion. Overall it sounded like he enjoyed it.

QuoteAlien: Covenant delivers another satisfying round of close-quarters deep-space terror, even if it doesn't take the saga in any new directions.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 09, 2017, 09:51:54 PM
https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/styles/article-inline-half/public/blogs/68127/2013/12/139735-140265.jpg?itok=ZbE9dWPa

Quote from: Beardomorph on May 09, 2017, 09:54:18 PM
Rotten tomatoes just came up with their "consensus".

QuoteAlien: Covenant delivers another satisfying round of close-quarters deep-space terror, even if it doesn't take the saga in any new directions.

To be honest, I can live with that  ;D

Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 09, 2017, 09:54:44 PM
Thats been up since yesterday, posted a few pages back.

Quote from: kwisatz on May 09, 2017, 09:59:37 PM
He doesnt hold back for sure

https://twitter.com/ankaris/status/861535093008998400


A lot of molehills make a (small) mountain. It doesnt take a mountain of crap in my bed to p*** me off. :D

Quote from: Beardomorph on May 09, 2017, 10:01:26 PM

Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 09, 2017, 09:54:44 PM
Thats been up since yesterday, posted a few pages back.

Oops, apologies. Their consensus wasn't showing up on my phone version of the site, I had not realised it was up.

Quote from: Evanus on May 09, 2017, 10:01:04 PM
Wow, he's definitely going to get fired if he keeps talking like that!  :laugh:

I like him!

Quote from: hfeldhaus on May 09, 2017, 10:10:47 PM
He doesn't work on many films so he probably doesn't care.

Quote from: kwisatz on May 09, 2017, 09:59:37 PM
He doesnt hold back for sure

https://twitter.com/ankaris/status/861535093008998400


A lot of molehills make a (small) mountain. It doesnt take a mountain of crap in my bed to p*** me off. :D


wtf lol, more molehills:

https://twitter.com/ankaris/status/861356976550191104

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 10, 2017, 12:01:26 AM
Very unprofessional. Pathetic.

Quote from: Robopadna on May 10, 2017, 12:32:43 AM

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 10, 2017, 12:01:26 AM
Very unprofessional. Pathetic.

He's being honest and he didn't say anything terrible.

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 10, 2017, 01:04:48 AM

Quote from: Robopadna on May 10, 2017, 12:32:43 AM

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 10, 2017, 12:01:26 AM
Very unprofessional. Pathetic.

He's being honest and he didn't say anything terrible.

Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to trash on the movie before it's even released is bad form. IMO.

Quote from: Robopadna on May 10, 2017, 01:11:17 AM

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 10, 2017, 01:04:48 AM

Quote from: Robopadna on May 10, 2017, 12:32:43 AM

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 10, 2017, 12:01:26 AM
Very unprofessional. Pathetic.

He's being honest and he didn't say anything terrible.

Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to trash on the movie before it's even released is bad form. IMO.

It's released isn't it?  Who cares overall?  Your opinion but it won't make a bit of difference.

Quote from: Godzillakuj94 on May 09, 2017, 05:11:14 PM
For those who have seen it, are there any scenes with practical aliens? Or are they all CG in the final product?

Quote from: Robopadna on May 10, 2017, 01:11:17 AM

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 10, 2017, 01:04:48 AM

Quote from: Robopadna on May 10, 2017, 12:32:43 AM

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 10, 2017, 12:01:26 AM
Very unprofessional. Pathetic.

He's being honest and he didn't say anything terrible.

Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to trash on the movie before it's even released is bad form. IMO.

It's released isn't it?  Who cares overall?  Your opinion but it won't make a bit of difference.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 07:48:32 AM

Quote from: Godzillakuj94 on May 09, 2017, 05:11:14 PM
For those who have seen it, are there any scenes with practical aliens? Or are they all CG in the final product?

The only thing that really stood out to me as being practical was a

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close-up of the Alien head with the inner-jaw in motion.

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Quote from: Gazz on May 10, 2017, 08:42:18 AM
It's certainly poor form/ considered unprofessional from an industry perspective.

From the perspective of everyone else, it's fair game.

Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 10, 2017, 09:45:19 AM
Not sure what Haag's tweets have to do with Shaw.

Quote from: SyntaX on May 10, 2017, 09:49:41 AM

Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 10, 2017, 09:45:19 AM
Not sure what Haag's tweets have to do with Shaw.

I think I misquoted someone here ...  ;D

Quote from: El Diablo on May 10, 2017, 09:17:46 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 07:48:32 AM

Quote from: Godzillakuj94 on May 09, 2017, 05:11:14 PM
For those who have seen it, are there any scenes with practical aliens? Or are they all CG in the final product?

The only thing that really stood out to me as being practical was a

Spoiler

close-up of the Alien head with the inner-jaw in motion.

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At the very first screening I attended in October it was stated before the film began that there would be unfinished creature effects, and that whatever practical work seen would act as a placeholder for digital re-creation.

Spoiler

I saw stunt suits and a creepy full size Neomorph for just a handful of seconds, which looked great (both cuts I saw had different close-ups and angles). The shot you see in the TV spot of the Neomorph standing silently before lunging forward with its mouth open was originally performed by a costumed actor with an animatronic head.

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Quote from: Darth Vile on May 10, 2017, 06:41:37 AM
The cinematography in Ghost in the Shell is not 'better'... and there's his qualification right there in that comment. GITS hardly has a real landscape or set to capture... It has all the cinematography of a dead fish.

Quote from: Ingwar on May 10, 2017, 06:37:29 AM
Wayne seems to be a nice guy but average cinematography? Cannot believe it. Ghost in the shell better than Covenant?

Quote from: Wayne Haagaverage cinematography in places

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 10, 2017, 08:26:42 AM
Aye. I don't know what you guys are reading but the guy is just sharing his opinion of the film.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on May 10, 2017, 04:09:11 PM

Where did he say Ghost in the Shell's cinematography was better?  ???

Quote from: kwisatz on May 11, 2017, 01:29:47 AM
Lets all share opinions no-fuss --


http://www.namespedia.com/image/Trank_5.jpg


Wayne Haag is an intelligent person with obvious (high) standards. He knows the actual status of films like GitS and Kong and their overall perception, especially among his peers. Just comparing AC to them without being asked and then putting them above AC, i mean lol, it doesnt get any clearer except outright trashing AC.

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 11, 2017, 02:42:10 PM

4/10 from Blu-ray.com

http://www.blu-ray.com/Alien-Covenant/577989/#Review (http://www.blu-ray.com/Alien-Covenant/577989/#Review)

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 11, 2017, 02:42:10 PM

4/10 from Blu-ray.com

http://www.blu-ray.com/Alien-Covenant/577989/#Review (http://www.blu-ray.com/Alien-Covenant/577989/#Review)

Quote from: Spidey3121 on May 11, 2017, 09:04:55 PM
Reviews really seem to be all over the map. I think that always should have been expected though, given the divisive response to Prometheus. Some critics have liked the continuation of that storyline, while others feel it bogs down what is otherwise a solid straight Alien movie. Some have applauded the return of the class Alien elements whereas others claim it feels to familiar & unoriginal. It's hard to win what you're the sixth film in a franchise. Stay the course & people will be upset that it didn't provide anything new; deviate too much from it & people will be upset that it's not what they expect, or want, out of such a movie. I get the sense that if you liked, or even didn't hate, Prometheus then you'll like Covenant with the added bonuses of the classic Xeno & more horror elements. I liked Prometheus, so I remain confident. Unfortunately I still have 1 week to wait!

Quote from: Spidey3121 on May 11, 2017, 09:04:55 PM
Reviews really seem to be all over the map. I think that always should have been expected though, given the divisive response to Prometheus. Some critics have liked the continuation of that storyline, while others feel it bogs down what is otherwise a solid straight Alien movie. Some have applauded the return of the class Alien elements whereas others claim it feels to familiar & unoriginal. It's hard to win what you're the sixth film in a franchise. Stay the course & people will be upset that it didn't provide anything new; deviate too much from it & people will be upset that it's not what they expect, or want, out of such a movie. I get the sense that if you liked, or even didn't hate, Prometheus then you'll like Covenant with the added bonuses of the classic Xeno & more horror elements. I liked Prometheus, so I remain confident. Unfortunately I still have 1 week to wait!

Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 10, 2017, 05:37:38 PM
Yeah, that's a fair shout.

I don't think you even find out Lope and Hallett are a couple in the film until after Hallett is dead, whereas they're clearly together in the crew intro prequel.

Quote from: windebieste on May 12, 2017, 03:50:44 AM
That 'Last Supper' short is so integral to the movie.  It sets up everything critical at the start.  Relationships, the crew's goals, personalities are drawn upon.  Even the captain makes an appearance!  It even has a false chestburster scene that acts as a foreshadowing of events later in the movie.  Walter even makes (an unintentional) a joke. 

It's such a great piece in relation to the movie proper should have been included.  I'm hoping it gets its proper place as such on the BluRay/DVD release.

-Windebieste.

Quote from: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 05:10:04 AM
Can't wait Angry Joe Review .

Quote from: windebieste on May 12, 2017, 04:08:05 AM
This review is actually pretty close to my own thoughts on the movie; as well as 'PROMETHEUS', too for that matter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3lUW7DQ2tU

I already posted my review in the fan review section; but this thread appears to be intended for links to stuff posted externally..? 

Anyway, I'll drop it in here as well, if no one minds, that is.  Here's my review on ALIEN: Covenant. (http://www.hideousplastic.com/?page_id=3002)

-Windebieste.

Quote from: bacchus on May 12, 2017, 02:01:39 AM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 10, 2017, 05:37:38 PM
Yeah, that's a fair shout.

I don't think you even find out Lope and Hallett are a couple in the film until after Hallett is dead, whereas they're clearly together in the crew intro prequel.

Spoiler

:D So true. The first time you realise is when Lope was being over-comfortable and emotional towards Hallett's corpse. They really should have included the prologue segment in the movie.

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Quote from: SuicideDoors on May 12, 2017, 02:30:09 PMThe Sun review calls Daniels Watson... And refers to Katherine Waterston as Katherine Watson. The guy who wrote that was paid to do so. The absolute cretin.

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 12, 2017, 06:36:42 PM

Negative review from the Evening Express:

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/entertainment/film/review-alien-covenant-15/ (https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/entertainment/film/review-alien-covenant-15/)

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 12, 2017, 06:36:42 PM

Negative review from the Evening Express:

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/entertainment/film/review-alien-covenant-15/ (https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/entertainment/film/review-alien-covenant-15/)

Quote from: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 08:59:07 PM

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 12, 2017, 06:36:42 PM

Negative review from the Evening Express:

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/entertainment/film/review-alien-covenant-15/ (https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/entertainment/film/review-alien-covenant-15/)

Characters making poor choices and too much familiarity seems to be the primary complaint here. I wonder though, for a sci-fi horror action movie, is it a bit of a low hanging fruit to pick to be critical of characters making poor judgement calls? Pretty sure that is essential for story advancement.

"Daniels: Its too good to be true."
"Oram: Yeah, f**k it. Go back to sleep guys. See you in 8 years."
Roll credits


Cause that would be it.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 08:17:03 AM
A lot of the virals were shot specifically for marketing. The only thing I know that was shot for the film but used in promotion was that Crossing prologue.

Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 13, 2017, 01:42:12 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 08:17:03 AM
A lot of the virals were shot specifically for marketing. The only thing I know that was shot for the film but used in promotion was that Crossing prologue.

Is it 100% Luke Scott didn't shoot that too? And do we know if Noomi originally shot anything beyond that?

Quote from: Protozoid on May 13, 2017, 02:00:26 AM

Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 13, 2017, 01:42:12 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 08:17:03 AM
A lot of the virals were shot specifically for marketing. The only thing I know that was shot for the film but used in promotion was that Crossing prologue.

Is it 100% Luke Scott didn't shoot that too? And do we know if Noomi originally shot anything beyond that?

Sounds like Covenant, like Prometheus, was butchered in the editing room.  These movies are so desperately in need to extended versions it isn't even funny. C'mon, Fox.

Quote from: 0321recon on May 13, 2017, 02:06:30 AM

Quote from: Protozoid on May 13, 2017, 02:00:26 AM

Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 13, 2017, 01:42:12 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 12, 2017, 08:17:03 AM
A lot of the virals were shot specifically for marketing. The only thing I know that was shot for the film but used in promotion was that Crossing prologue.

Is it 100% Luke Scott didn't shoot that too? And do we know if Noomi originally shot anything beyond that?

Sounds like Covenant, like Prometheus, was butchered in the editing room.  These movies are so desperately in need to extended versions it isn't even funny. C'mon, Fox.

I hope Scott does an extended cut for Covenant like he did with The Martian, a film that didn't need it in the first place. Would be great if someone did a petition to him or Fox.

Quote from: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 08:59:07 PM

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 12, 2017, 06:36:42 PM

Negative review from the Evening Express:

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/entertainment/film/review-alien-covenant-15/ (https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/entertainment/film/review-alien-covenant-15/)

Characters making poor choices and too much familiarity seems to be the primary complaint here. I wonder though, for a sci-fi horror action movie, is it a bit of a low hanging fruit to pick to be critical of characters making poor judgement calls? Pretty sure that is essential for story advancement.

"Daniels: Its too good to be true."
"Oram: Yeah, f**k it. Go back to sleep guys. See you in 8 years."
Roll credits


Cause that would be it.

Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2017, 02:16:06 AM

Quote from: cucuchu on May 12, 2017, 08:59:07 PM

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 12, 2017, 06:36:42 PM

Negative review from the Evening Express:

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/entertainment/film/review-alien-covenant-15/ (https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/entertainment/film/review-alien-covenant-15/)

Characters making poor choices and too much familiarity seems to be the primary complaint here. I wonder though, for a sci-fi horror action movie, is it a bit of a low hanging fruit to pick to be critical of characters making poor judgement calls? Pretty sure that is essential for story advancement.

"Daniels: Its too good to be true."
"Oram: Yeah, f**k it. Go back to sleep guys. See you in 8 years."
Roll credits


Cause that would be it.

Easy fix: Ship is more damaged in the blast and they need to make lengthy repairs.

Quote from: cucuchu on May 13, 2017, 02:33:34 AMI have not seen the film but heard a review on youtube say that the paradise planet was said to be more habitable than their original destination. If that is the case, then I could maybe see the logic.

Quote from: Citadel on May 12, 2017, 05:18:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b79aw9dZLfE

Quote from: gantarat on May 12, 2017, 05:10:04 AM
Can't wait Angry Joe Review .

Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 10:35:29 AM
I like Kermode. You only have to watch that documentary he presented to realise he's a big, big fan of the Alien films.

I don't think I disliked the film as much as him, but I agree with a lot of what he thinks.

Quote from: 900SL on May 13, 2017, 01:06:26 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 13, 2017, 10:35:29 AM
I like Kermode. You only have to watch that documentary he presented to realise he's a big, big fan of the Alien films.

I don't think I disliked the film as much as him, but I agree with a lot of what he thinks.

I'm pleased he had the strength of conviction to say his mind. Whether you like this film or not does appear to be whether you can (a) suspend disbelief at the liberties Scott has taken with the lore and (b) accept the film as a mash up of old tropes.

Quote from: windebieste on May 12, 2017, 04:08:05 AM

Anyway, I'll drop it in here as well, if no one minds, that is.  Here's my review on ALIEN: Covenant. (http://www.hideousplastic.com/?page_id=3002)

-Windebieste.

Quote from: Ilikegriping on May 13, 2017, 09:06:43 PM
Terri White (the editor of Empire Magazine) said on their always fun and engaging podcast this week that she would have given a higher rating of 4/5 stars. The official Empire review was three stars, still as they say a recommendation. She went on to remark while there were story telling flaws she felt that the film had terror and thrillls in spades. There's also a pre-recorded interview with Danny McBride.

http://www.empireonline.com/people/danny-mcbride/empire-podcast-262-danny-mcbride/

They'll have a Covenant spoiler special podcast available on their usual feed on Monday the 15th. These are usually pretty in depth and insightful as should expect from the Empire team. Give it a listen.

Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 13, 2017, 03:01:42 AM
I would assume the original destination is not too unlike LV-426 - sandblasted, desolate land but able to be terraformed and made habitable over time. Shake and bake colony. Obviously when put next to "Paradise" the latter would be the more promising option.

It makes sense as a story conflict for Oram to jump on it and for Daniels to resist that for good reason - maybe the whole crew would be split. I don't find it an implausible character dilemma at all.

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 14, 2017, 01:38:29 AM
A.V. Club Review:

Positive

http://www.avclub.com/review/covenant-returns-alien-its-horror-roots-255201 (http://www.avclub.com/review/covenant-returns-alien-its-horror-roots-255201)

Quote from: Beardomorph on May 14, 2017, 11:26:44 AM

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 14, 2017, 01:38:29 AM
A.V. Club Review:

Positive

http://www.avclub.com/review/covenant-returns-alien-its-horror-roots-255201 (http://www.avclub.com/review/covenant-returns-alien-its-horror-roots-255201)

That's actually a very good review, one of the few that review the movie for what it is and not for what they wish it had been.

Quote from: 343 on May 14, 2017, 02:57:18 PM

Quote from: Beardomorph on May 14, 2017, 11:26:44 AM

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 14, 2017, 01:38:29 AM
A.V. Club Review:

Positive

http://www.avclub.com/review/covenant-returns-alien-its-horror-roots-255201 (http://www.avclub.com/review/covenant-returns-alien-its-horror-roots-255201)

That's actually a very good review, one of the few that review the movie for what it is and not for what they wish it had been.

Exactly. i noticed that too. Many reviews complaining about what they wanted to see.

Quote from: Ephemer Nine on May 15, 2017, 01:45:35 PM
Review from Roger Ebert's site:

They gave it a full 4 stars (!!!) and called it the best after the fist two. I was seriously not expecting it.

http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/alien-covenant-2017

Quote from: Jonesy1974 on May 15, 2017, 02:00:12 PM
That's a great review, spot on for me.

Quote from: MorphinTime on May 15, 2017, 04:51:56 PM
Great review. I bet Ebert would've enjoyed it on the same level, since he liked Prometheus back in 2012.

I love it when the reviwer says how Scott is the best sci-fi director since Kubrick. The guy has truly been the one to bring renewed jolt to the genre in these last few years.

And I love that people have mix feelings about Covenant. It just means there's lots of room for debate, and it's not the kind of movie that leaves zero impression on the viewer after the session. Be it negative or positive.

Quote from: Snake on May 15, 2017, 08:37:21 PM
It makes a nice change from the constant stream of bland super hero movies. The most I can muster when someone asks what I thought of one is it was alright, end of discussion.

We need more movies like this.

QuoteWhether it be the way they deal with Noomi Rapace's character from that film's fate or the laughable mad scientist subplot, it feels like how an overzealous fan would continue the saga.

QuoteIt's a bad movie. It just is. The weird thing is, at this point it almost doesn't matter. Any Alien film is a good one on some weird masochistic level.

Quote from: MorphinTime on May 15, 2017, 04:51:56 PM
Great review. I bet Ebert would've enjoyed it on the same level, since he liked Prometheus back in 2012.

I love it when the reviwer says how Scott is the best sci-fi director since Kubrick. The guy has truly been the one to bring renewed jolt to the genre in these last few years.

And I love that people have mix feelings about Covenant. It just means there's lots of room for debate, and it's not the kind of movie that leaves zero impression on the viewer after the session. Be it negative or positive.

Quote from: fiveways on May 16, 2017, 02:59:36 PM

Quote from: MorphinTime on May 15, 2017, 04:51:56 PM
Great review. I bet Ebert would've enjoyed it on the same level, since he liked Prometheus back in 2012.

I love it when the reviwer says how Scott is the best sci-fi director since Kubrick. The guy has truly been the one to bring renewed jolt to the genre in these last few years.

And I love that people have mix feelings about Covenant. It just means there's lots of room for debate, and it's not the kind of movie that leaves zero impression on the viewer after the session. Be it negative or positive.

I think Ebert would have had serious issues with them cashing in mystery for gore.  He was very anti that sort of thing at various points in his life (I've been watching old Siskel and Ebert reviews of Horror movies and bits on "video nasty's" and all that over the last few days).  Ebert was difficult to read when it came to genre sort of films (pretty as it is Alien is still very much a genre franchise).  He'd rant about the hopelessness and nihilism of it quite often in the 80's then give "Evil Dead 2" a huge thumbs up for being "fun".  He was a strange man that seemed constantly at odds internally (which is why he's a fun reviewer to dig into).

Quote from: 343 on May 16, 2017, 06:27:19 AM
Alien Covenant holds a certified fresh on Rotten Tomatoes for now.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/alien_covenant

Quote from: cucuchu on May 17, 2017, 01:16:10 PM

Quote from: 343 on May 16, 2017, 06:27:19 AM
Alien Covenant holds a certified fresh on Rotten Tomatoes for now.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/alien_covenant

Moved up to 76 yesterday, 77 today

Quote from: cucuchu on May 18, 2017, 03:32:08 PM
A good bit of new reviews up, mostly positive, boosting Covenant to a 78% on RT from 75% two days ago. 170 reviews so far, roughly 92% fresh with top critics.

Will be interesting to see where this settles and if the influx of positive reviews gives the box office numbers a surge beyond the prediction numbers for its debut in the United States and 53 other markets today.


Edit: down to 77%...damn you Washington Post, make a liar out of me will you!!

Quote from: gantarat on May 19, 2017, 02:57:54 AM

Quote from: cucuchu on May 18, 2017, 03:32:08 PM
A good bit of new reviews up, mostly positive, boosting Covenant to a 78% on RT from 75% two days ago. 170 reviews so far, roughly 92% fresh with top critics.

Will be interesting to see where this settles and if the influx of positive reviews gives the box office numbers a surge beyond the prediction numbers for its debut in the United States and 53 other markets today.


Edit: down to 77%...damn you Washington Post, make a liar out of me will you!!

75% Now.

Quote from: cucuchu on May 19, 2017, 05:40:18 AM

Quote from: gantarat on May 19, 2017, 02:57:54 AM

Quote from: cucuchu on May 18, 2017, 03:32:08 PM
A good bit of new reviews up, mostly positive, boosting Covenant to a 78% on RT from 75% two days ago. 170 reviews so far, roughly 92% fresh with top critics.

Will be interesting to see where this settles and if the influx of positive reviews gives the box office numbers a surge beyond the prediction numbers for its debut in the United States and 53 other markets today.


Edit: down to 77%...damn you Washington Post, make a liar out of me will you!!

75% Now.

Yeah, I saw that. Oh well, just saw it and loved it so if the RT plummets to a 2% I don't care, this movie hit all the right notes for me.

Quote from: Protozoid on May 19, 2017, 07:47:39 AM
Prometheus is 6.9.

And back down to 74 for Covenant...

Quote from: 343 on May 19, 2017, 12:23:53 PM

Quote from: Protozoid on May 19, 2017, 07:47:39 AM
Prometheus is 6.9.

And back down to 74 for Covenant...

And to 73 and 6.4.
Score is now 60-40 or 50-50. 5 good reviews and 5 bad reviews. :-(
Why is that?
I haven't seen the film yet, but i am disappointed.  I really expected a 7,5/10 or 3,5/5. At least.

Quote from: newbeing on May 19, 2017, 12:32:24 PM

Quote from: 343 on May 19, 2017, 12:23:53 PM

Quote from: Protozoid on May 19, 2017, 07:47:39 AM
Prometheus is 6.9.

And back down to 74 for Covenant...

And to 73 and 6.4.

Score is now 60-40 or 50-50. 5/6 good reviews vs. 5 bad reviews. :-(
Why is that? If it will go on like this it will be 67% at the end. Still fresh, but no certified fresh anymore.
I haven't seen the film yet, but i am disappointed (in this score).  I really expected a 7,5/10 or 3,5/5. At least.

This is kind of the flaw with Rotten Tomatoes. A film that every critic rated a 6/10, which I think is the fresh cutoff, could still be a 100% fresh. It is not a good measure of quality imo.

Quote from: 343 on May 19, 2017, 12:34:49 PM

Quote from: newbeing on May 19, 2017, 12:32:24 PM

Quote from: 343 on May 19, 2017, 12:23:53 PM

Quote from: Protozoid on May 19, 2017, 07:47:39 AM
Prometheus is 6.9.

And back down to 74 for Covenant...

And to 73 and 6.4.

Score is now 60-40 or 50-50. 5/6 good reviews vs. 5 bad reviews. :-(
Why is that? If it will go on like this it will be 67% at the end. Still fresh, but no certified fresh anymore.
I haven't seen the film yet, but i am disappointed (in this score).  I really expected a 7,5/10 or 3,5/5. At least.

This is kind of the flaw with Rotten Tomatoes. A film that every critic rated a 6/10, which I think is the fresh cutoff, could still be a 100% fresh. It is not a good measure of quality imo.

Yes, but that does not explain the sudden downfall from 78% to 73% and dropping.

Quote from: 343 on May 19, 2017, 01:31:06 PM
Yes, but if it remains certified fresh? That is the question. To certified fresh or not to certified fresh. ;-)

Quote from: 343 on May 19, 2017, 12:34:49 PM

Quote from: newbeing on May 19, 2017, 12:32:24 PM

Quote from: 343 on May 19, 2017, 12:23:53 PM

Quote from: Protozoid on May 19, 2017, 07:47:39 AM
Prometheus is 6.9.

And back down to 74 for Covenant...

And to 73 and 6.4.

Score is now 60-40 or 50-50. 5/6 good reviews vs. 5 bad reviews. :-(
Why is that? If it will go on like this it will be 67% at the end. Still fresh, but no certified fresh anymore.
I haven't seen the film yet, but i am disappointed (in this score).  I really expected a 7,5/10 or 3,5/5. At least.

This is kind of the flaw with Rotten Tomatoes. A film that every critic rated a 6/10, which I think is the fresh cutoff, could still be a 100% fresh. It is not a good measure of quality imo.

Yes, but that does not explain the sudden downfall from 78% to 73% and dropping.

Quote from: gantarat on May 19, 2017, 01:36:00 PM

Quote from: 343 on May 19, 2017, 01:31:06 PM
Yes, but if it remains certified fresh? That is the question. To certified fresh or not to certified fresh. ;-)

Movies designated with the seal retain the Certified Fresh status as long as their Tomatometer remains above 70%.  The Certified Fresh designation may be held at the discretion of the Rotten Tomatoes editorial team.

https://flixster.desk.com/customer/en/portal/articles/62679-what-is-%22certified-fresh-%22

Quote from: newbeing on May 19, 2017, 01:46:32 PM
I think because it was just released in the US some critic reviews are still being collected, thus the fluctuation in score. I've seen ratings change for movies months after their release.

I'm guessing it will end up hanging around the 75% area.

As for what the number means, who cares? You'll formulate your own opinion. I used to be afraid that public opinion would sway my own, but really how hyped or cautious you are going into something doesn't really matter.

Quote from: newbeing on May 19, 2017, 12:32:24 PM

Quote from: 343 on May 19, 2017, 12:23:53 PM

Quote from: Protozoid on May 19, 2017, 07:47:39 AM
Prometheus is 6.9.

And back down to 74 for Covenant...

And to 73 and 6.4.
Score is now 60-40 or 50-50. 5 good reviews and 5 bad reviews. :-(
Why is that?
I haven't seen the film yet, but i am disappointed.  I really expected a 7,5/10 or 3,5/5. At least.

This is kind of the flaw with Rotten Tomatoes. A film that every critic rated a 6/10, which I think is the fresh cutoff, could still be a 100% fresh. It is not a good measure of quality imo.

Quote from: Aquarius8 on May 19, 2017, 06:46:18 PM
:o

Just got back.  Mind Blown.  I'm still processing what happen but David is a SOB period.  I think the Prologue should of been left in the film.

Quote from: cucuchu on May 19, 2017, 06:49:28 PM

Quote from: Aquarius8 on May 19, 2017, 06:46:18 PM
:o

Just got back.  Mind Blown.  I'm still processing what happen but David is a SOB period.  I think the Prologue should of been left in the film.

Good to hear! How filled was the cinema and what kind of vibe did you get from the audience during/after the film?

Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 19, 2017, 09:54:45 PM
Dude that closeup of the crew picture at the end made me cringe. I actually gasped. So so so bad.

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 19, 2017, 10:24:00 PM

Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 19, 2017, 09:54:45 PM
Dude that closeup of the crew picture at the end made me cringe. I actually gasped. So so so bad.

Why?

Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 19, 2017, 10:45:29 PM

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 19, 2017, 10:24:00 PM

Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 19, 2017, 09:54:45 PM
Dude that closeup of the crew picture at the end made me cringe. I actually gasped. So so so bad.

Why?

Probably because we've seen it all over the internet by now as a marketing picture.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 20, 2017, 04:46:22 PM
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/05/19/alien-covenant-review

Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 19, 2017, 10:45:29 PM

Quote from: Darth Vile on May 19, 2017, 10:24:00 PM

Quote from: BishopShouldGo on May 19, 2017, 09:54:45 PM
Dude that closeup of the crew picture at the end made me cringe. I actually gasped. So so so bad.

Why?

Probably because we've seen it all over the internet by now as a marketing picture.

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 21, 2017, 12:30:11 AM

I had my problems with the movie, but I'm not going act like a child. That video of review of Angry Joe is why I can't stand the fan community sometimes.

Quote from: Gash on May 21, 2017, 11:04:14 AM

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 21, 2017, 12:30:11 AM

I had my problems with the movie, but I'm not going act like a child. That video of review of Angry Joe is why I can't stand the fan community sometimes.

This all day long. That angry joe baffoon needs to join the circus for he is a first class clown.

I can't even watch it. Just the sight of him sitting there with a pulse rifle and a colonial marines helmet, with a look on his face like a petulant toddler tells me all I need to know.

Quote from: Gash on May 21, 2017, 11:04:14 AM

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 21, 2017, 12:30:11 AM

I had my problems with the movie, but I'm not going act like a child. That video of review of Angry Joe is why I can't stand the fan community sometimes.

I can't even watch it. Just the sight of him sitting there with a pulse rifle and a colonial marines helmet, with a look on his face like a petulant toddler tells me all I need to know.

Quote from: John73 on May 22, 2017, 12:58:57 AM

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/05/21/alien-is-dead-long-live-covenant


This is another review from Birth.Movies.Death, and it's excellent.  If you enjoyed the direction Scott took the franchise in with Covenant, you'll find much to love in this defense of the film.

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 22, 2017, 02:13:49 AM

It will probably end with a 6.5 or so. The fact is a lot of fans didn't like it. Which is weird because the polls on here say otherwise. But we're a small section of a much bigger audience.

Quote from: 426Buddy on May 22, 2017, 02:25:58 AM

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 22, 2017, 02:13:49 AM

It will probably end with a 6.5 or so. The fact is a lot of fans didn't like it. Which is weird because the polls on here say otherwise. But we're a small section of a much bigger audience.

I think generally a lot of fans enjoyed it actually. However people who dislike something are usually more vocal and create more noise.

I've already seen posters say Ridley should kill himself and that if you liked the CG you must be 14. Who wants to post anything postitive after reading something like that?

Quote from: salomonj on May 22, 2017, 02:07:58 AM
How tf the covenant at a 6.9 on IMDb?!?! The movie is soooo much better than that. Audiences these days are idiots

Quote from: Hennex Forest on May 22, 2017, 02:56:52 AM

Quote from: salomonj on May 22, 2017, 02:07:58 AM
How tf the covenant at a 6.9 on IMDb?!?! The movie is soooo much better than that. Audiences these days are idiots

Also has a 6.9 on RT from audiences.  I wonder what the CineScore will be.

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Quote from: gantarat on May 22, 2017, 02:59:21 AM

Quote from: Hennex Forest on May 22, 2017, 02:56:52 AM

Quote from: salomonj on May 22, 2017, 02:07:58 AM
How tf the covenant at a 6.9 on IMDb?!?! The movie is soooo much better than that. Audiences these days are idiots

Also has a 6.9 on RT from audiences.  I wonder what the CineScore will be.

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64 not 69

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/alien_covenant