It turns out that Ridley Scott's recent comments that Prometheus would be a departure from the Aliens series are somewhat misleading.
An exclusive source has told us that not only are HR Giger's classic aliens in it, but that they're integral to the plot.
Mere hours after the announcement that Michael Fassbender is locked in to play an android with rumoured links to Aliens' Bishop series, our insider sources have revealed that he's not the only one with strong links to the series' past.
Alien 27This is back too...."They've built the 'space jockey' cockpit at Pinewood as seen in the original Alien film, so it definitely takes place in the same world as Alien", they told us.
"Despite that press release that seemed to indicate there were no aliens in the movie, the familiar HR Giger-style aliens do appear. Big ones apparently."
And as for Scott's comments noting that "keen fans will recognise strands of Alien's DNA"?
It turns out there was the slightest hint of misdirection - apparently the actual DNA of the xenomorphs is integral to the plot - and will see the cast jet off to the alien homeworld itself.
"Part of the film will be shot in Morocco. I've heard that some sort of archaeological dig where they discover alien DNA takes place there and that DNA gives them the coordinates for an alien world. I've also heard Morocco is being used for alien planet landscapes so I'm not sure if it's an archaeological dig on another planet," they revealed.
It gets weirder too, with Damon Lindelof's script set to crank up the sci-fi angle to maximum effect.
"The main spaceship in the film will be piloted by an enormous head which I assume will be CGI. Yep, sounds weird but I assume some of the technology will be sort of biomechanical."
http://movies.sky.com/exclusive-prometheus-plot-reveal-aliens-are-in-it (http://movies.sky.com/exclusive-prometheus-plot-reveal-aliens-are-in-it)
Quote from: Darkoo on Jan 27, 2011, 03:03:32 PM
An exclusive source has told us that not only are HR Giger's classic aliens in it, but that they're integral to the plot.
Exclusive, of course, let's see if it is reliable also... which, in all honesty I can have, I doubt.
Sky isn't your little backwater wordpress blog mate. They wouldn't post it if they weren't sure, and at their level, they're likely to have many ties to the movie industry.
But on a MORE serious note, I SERIOUSLY DON'T THINK I CAN TAKE MUCH MORE OF THIS.
RIDLEY. PRESS RELEASE. NAO.
Interesting. Ill frontpage it when I get home. Cautiously pleased.
Sky are more likely to have someone sniffing around Pinewood studios, being both UK based.
When I first heard Scott was doing the Alien Prequel I was like
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Then I heard it wasn't gonna be an Alien prequel and I felt like
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Now I'm ... there is no gif out there to express my paradoxical feelings of confusion, happiness, and caution.
Why do I not believe this?
Because of how we've been put through the ringer lately?
As I said though, Sky isn't some fan site. It's a media outlet first and foremost. If they say someone inside the camp told them this, then I for one believe it.
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 27, 2011, 03:58:38 PM
Because of how we've been put through the ringer lately?
As I said though, Sky isn't some fan site. It's a media outlet first and foremost. If they say someone inside the camp told them this, then I for one believe it.
I'll keep my eye on this one.
Man, I don't even know anymore.
I've just been downstairs to talk to my mate who writes for Empire. He said this was news to him, but he's going to reach out and see if he can get anymore info from Fox. Even if just to deny it.
I'll post up developments as soon as I get them.
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Please be true! Please be true!
I'll also get in touch with both Fox US and UK.
I just tweeted Ridley as well (@RidScott), although I seriously doubt I'll hear anything :laugh:
You guys and your connections... :P
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 27, 2011, 04:10:27 PM
I just tweeted Ridley as well (@RidScott), although I seriously doubt I'll hear anything :laugh:
What about Chris Petrikin at FOX?
http://twitter.com/20thFoxCC (http://twitter.com/20thFoxCC)
I don't see them affirming this before they're ready though.
I don't imagine they will either. May prove to be nothing but empty gestures but we gotta try.
We really wont know until we see the movie.
If the Jockey's in it then I imagine that would leak earlier. Aliens though, ho ho.
You know what? At first I was disappointed that this wasn't going to be an Alien movie anymore, then I decided it was almost certainly for the best - better not to jack up continuity with a prequel in the same universe.
So now I'm disappointed that it seems like it might be a prequel after all.
God damn, there's no pleasing me.
It's what happens when they force us to accept change. lol Mikey and I were discussing the change on the podcast and I was on about how I'm happy it's an original if its going to be too different but following this...I'm happy it's back and I love the sounds of seeing the interior of the Derelict again.
Oh, good news!
Spoiler
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2011, 04:54:19 PM
It's what happens when they force us to accept change. lol Mikey and I were discussing the change on the podcast and I was on about how I'm happy it's an original if its going to be too different but following this...I'm happy it's back and I love the sounds of seeing the interior of the Derelict again.
You already recorded a podcast?
Half of it, yes.
Also - I notice the article discusses the Morocco shoot which we had heard rumored in November. Maybe we'll be getting the pyramid after all?
hope its true
This is... interesting. Not sure if I'm happy or not, as I was never too excited by the prospect of a Prequel in the first place.
Well, it's still a Scott sci-fi, so that'll be good. Just have to see what happens.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 27, 2011, 03:51:12 PM
When I first heard Scott was doing the Alien Prequel I was like
http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa388/Valaquen/boogalo.gif
...I love you.
More pyramids ho!
If this is true, then it's indeed good news. :)
See. Told ya :D I hope it`s true.
@Omega, Aw shucks! ;)
Big ones?
Quote from: Ogata881 on Jan 27, 2011, 06:40:42 PM
Big ones?
"The bones are bent outward, like it exploded from inside..."
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Quote from: Ogata881 on Jan 27, 2011, 06:40:42 PM
Big ones?
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Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 27, 2011, 06:43:25 PM
Quote from: Ogata881 on Jan 27, 2011, 06:40:42 PM
Big ones?
"The bones are bent outward, like it exploded from inside..."
http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/object/142/14226092/space-jockey-alien-160boxart_160w.jpg
I hope that's why. I hope we don't have inexplicably get scenarios in which Aliens can bite a person in half.
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YES! thank god!
this totally made my day :)
Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 27, 2011, 06:55:52 PM
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This just in, Christian Bale has joined the cast of Prometheus.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 27, 2011, 06:58:19 PM
Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 27, 2011, 06:55:52 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 27, 2011, 06:43:25 PM
Quote from: Ogata881 on Jan 27, 2011, 06:40:42 PM
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kty45u3b191qa1o5zo1_500.jpg
This just in, Christian Bale has joined the cast of Prometheus.
No, but Michael Fassbender.
Great news.
Quote from: locusta on Jan 27, 2011, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 27, 2011, 06:58:19 PM
Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 27, 2011, 06:55:52 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 27, 2011, 06:43:25 PM
Quote from: Ogata881 on Jan 27, 2011, 06:40:42 PM
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kty45u3b191qa1o5zo1_500.jpg
This just in, Christian Bale has joined the cast of Prometheus.
No, but Michael Fassbender.
But not as Batman :laugh:
Needs more Batman.
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There.
Done.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 27, 2011, 03:51:12 PM
When I first heard Scott was doing the Alien Prequel I was like
http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa388/Valaquen/boogalo.gif
WTF?! :D
On subject though if there do end up being Aliens I will be a very happy person.
Well, Fassbender may not be so bad. I could dig him as a decent character in the franchise.
Ok, great news. there is a connection after all, I guess I was wrong.
If this is true, then wow, this is great news!
I'll keep listening for more!
I dont know what to think anymore! This is so back and forth between Alien related and not Alien related!
Quote"I've heard that some sort of archaeological dig where they discover alien DNA takes place there and that DNA gives them the coordinates for an alien world."
... lol wut
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 27, 2011, 08:41:43 PM
Quote"I've heard that some sort of archaeological dig where they discover alien DNA takes place there and that DNA gives them the coordinates for an alien world."
... lol wut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHxyZaZlaOs# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHxyZaZlaOs#)
I have good friend that is working on the movie in pinewood. He showed me pictures of aliens style APV's and he told me that he has read the script and that it is indeed all about the space jockeys. He also said it's gonna be real hardcore sci fi. Can't wait.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 27, 2011, 08:43:03 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 27, 2011, 08:41:43 PM
Quote"I've heard that some sort of archaeological dig where they discover alien DNA takes place there and that DNA gives them the coordinates for an alien world."
... lol wut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHxyZaZlaOs# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHxyZaZlaOs#)
Thanks for that. :D
Quote from: warneford87 on Jan 27, 2011, 08:47:41 PM
I have good friend that is working on the movie in pinewood. He showed me pictures of aliens style APV's and he told me that he has read the script and that it is indeed all about the space jockeys. He also said it's gonna be real hardcore sci fi. Can't wait.
That's a bold statement mate. Any proof? :o
Alien DNA found in Morocco? When will we see the prequel to the prequel?
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 27, 2011, 09:01:09 PM
Quote from: warneford87 on Jan 27, 2011, 08:47:41 PM
I have good friend that is working on the movie in pinewood. He showed me pictures of aliens style APV's and he told me that he has read the script and that it is indeed all about the space jockeys. He also said it's gonna be real hardcore sci fi. Can't wait.
That's a bold statement mate. Any proof? :o
Now, you don't
really believe that do you?
"plays X Files theme"..
i want to believe :D
Sky = Rupert Murdoch . Fox = Rupert Murdoch
What the hell is going on?????????
So it is a prequel then???
"mission was a success. two lost babies recovered. on our way home"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU1kTuVSUOw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU1kTuVSUOw#)
If they are gonna have lots of aliens in it, I hope that they are Gigers original. Or maybe some like the ones from ALIENS. (more developed aliens)
I just hope the report was true.As for the Aliens i want them redesigned,not the same stuff.
Im aroused
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 27, 2011, 09:22:20 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 27, 2011, 09:01:09 PM
Quote from: warneford87 on Jan 27, 2011, 08:47:41 PM
I have good friend that is working on the movie in pinewood. He showed me pictures of aliens style APV's and he told me that he has read the script and that it is indeed all about the space jockeys. He also said it's gonna be real hardcore sci fi. Can't wait.
That's a bold statement mate. Any proof? :o
Now, you don't really believe that do you?
His friend is Ridley Scott.
so they are shooting here:
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is this Dune or something?
I realy hope there is Jockey Alien in this one. I`ve been waiting for one since I watched Alien first time.
But when it think about it, I wanted predalien since I watched P2 first time. And we all know how this ended up :-\
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 27, 2011, 10:37:17 PM
is this Dune or something?
Well, it would make sense. I mean, that's what Giger, O'Bannon, and Moebius were all working on before they had to switch to
Alien.
imagine if this is secretly a loose adaptation of Dune.
QuoteFrom Bleau: on Jan 14, 2011, 11:44:44 PM
Ridley doesn't say anything it about not being an alien prequel. I say it still has relevance to Alien.
Quote from: bleau on Jan 15, 2011, 03:49:07 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 15, 2011, 03:45:15 AM
Yes he did. Go read the article again.
RIDLEY SAYS THIS IN EVERYTHING I'VE READ THUS FAR:
"While Alien was indeed the jumping off point for this project, out of the creative process evolved a new, grand mythology and universe in which this original story takes place. The keen fan will recognize strands of Alien's DNA, so to speak, but the ideas tackled in this film are unique, large and provocative."
The article say's it is no more alien prequel, but Ridley Never states that. It could be a mis interpretation.
Wow, I hate to say it but told you so. :) I knew this was still an Alien prequel.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jan 27, 2011, 10:51:14 PM
imagine if this is secretly a loose adaptation of Dune.
Michael Fussblender as:
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Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 27, 2011, 09:22:20 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 27, 2011, 09:01:09 PM
Quote from: warneford87 on Jan 27, 2011, 08:47:41 PM
I have good friend that is working on the movie in pinewood. He showed me pictures of aliens style APV's and he told me that he has read the script and that it is indeed all about the space jockeys. He also said it's gonna be real hardcore sci fi. Can't wait.
That's a bold statement mate. Any proof? :o
Now, you don't really believe that do you?
About as much as I do in Santa. Which is to say 'f**k no'. But after all that's happened over the last few months, my mind is open to anything. If he has proof, then he should post it.
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Keep your panties on, explanation will come soon.
Are you taking the piss? >:(
Spoiler
I only wear red.
Quote from: Brother on Jan 27, 2011, 11:28:46 PM
http://dangerouslee.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/panties.jpg
Keep your panties on, explanation will come soon.
How do you know that? Where's
your proof?!
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PROVE IT!
Sry, out of pantie pictures.
Hmm. Maybe it is an Alien movie, they just want to surprise the fans......just a thought.
I knew this would be the case, and this bit of info made my day as well. Now if the Dark Crystal Sequel comes out next year as well, I'll be a happy man!
Dark Crystal?
Thanks for the memories. I won't sleep tonight :laugh:
Update: "Alien Prequel News" mentioned this:
Quote:
"The head this source is referring to could be the Engineer 1 CGI-character we've heard mentioned in news before".
http://www.alienprequelnews.com/ (http://www.alienprequelnews.com/)
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They're gonna explain, everything! The Space Jockies. The Derelict. How WY was involved. Omg, it IS the Alien prequel!
And the big Aliens are certainly, gonna either be, a Jockey-Alien via chestburster and\or an Alien Queen. The big head thing that pilots the ship is interesting. If they're talking about a human ship, maybe something to do with, "Mother"? I'm sooo excited about this news!
Hmmm. Weird how it went from:
-This is an Alien prequel, featuring the space jockies and other concepts
-But, "the Original Alien as a shape is worn out and not scary anymore so we are redesigning it"
To:
-The project has evolved past being an Alien Prequel into a more grand and epic sci-fi film with hints of the Alien universe
To:
-Not only are there the original space jockeys, but we are going to the Alien homeworld, AND there are original Giger Aliens, AND they are giant in size!
I think the idea of having jockey-born aliens as just HUGE MOTHERf**kING ALIENS is honestly retarded.. but other than that this sounds AWESOME. STOKED!
This is sounding more like the film I didn't want. Sorry Ridley but this is one fan who isn't going to bother.
I hope it's legit, I think the title will confuse people since no one would know that it's a Alien movie. Maybe they will market the movie like they did with "The Dark Knight" (2008).
I'M WALKING SUNSHINE!
I MEAN... WALLS! ;D
Maybe this could work.
"According to Sky Movies an inside source has told them that the Space Jockey's cockpit as discovered by the Nostromo crew in the first Alien is currently being built at Pinewood studios."
I can't wait to see the Jockey's cockpit again.
I don't get this; 4 months ago, everyone was saying no to the origin idea. All of a sudden, you guys are creaming.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2011, 03:13:16 AM
I don't get this; 4 months ago, everyone was saying no to the origin idea. All of a sudden, you guys are creaming.
I actually never gave my opinion on that. :laugh:
So happy ;D
f**kin great news!!! cant wait to see this film in the big screen.
probably Scott dont feel this movie extremly close to the original Alien concept, (the creatures vs humans), this film is more of the Spacy Jockeys and the origin of some DNA , and the mix of this dna whit the humans.
Mabe will see the original Xenomorf, the spacejockey alien, if Giger is on board is a strong chance.
This new news makes me HAPPY!
Scott troll us all.
Quote from: Ghost Rider on Jan 28, 2011, 03:18:46 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2011, 03:13:16 AM
I don't get this; 4 months ago, everyone was saying no to the origin idea. All of a sudden, you guys are creaming.
I actually never gave my opinion on that. :laugh:
Same here. It never bothered me, and hey whether or not the Alien series needed a prequel, I am still kind of excited to see it.
No it didn't. It was fine the way it was. Hell, it never needed sequels.
that never stopped anybody.
Doesn't change what I said.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2011, 03:52:46 AM
No it didn't. It was fine the way it was. Hell, it never needed sequels.
But Aliens was a masterpiece...
That doesn't mean it was warranted.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2011, 03:52:46 AM
No it didn't. It was fine the way it was. Hell, it never needed sequels.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2011, 04:04:38 AM
That doesn't mean it was warranted.
Every half-decent movie warrants a sequel. It's the law of cinema these days. :-\
Not getting my hopes up. They were dashed once. Will see how things unfold.
Quote from: Jason: Professional Babysitter on Jan 28, 2011, 04:07:07 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2011, 04:04:38 AM
That doesn't mean it was warranted.
Every half-decent movie warrants a sequel. It's the law of cinema these days. :-\
A sequel was possible but it wasn't necessary. Alien ended just fine where it was.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2011, 04:20:58 AM
Quote from: Jason: Professional Babysitter on Jan 28, 2011, 04:07:07 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2011, 04:04:38 AM
That doesn't mean it was warranted.
Every half-decent movie warrants a sequel. It's the law of cinema these days. :-\
A sequel was possible but it wasn't necessary. Alien ended just fine where it was.
True, it did. But isn't it so much better having a whole series plus a prequel though. :laugh:
Quote from: bleau on Jan 28, 2011, 04:26:21 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2011, 04:20:58 AM
Quote from: Jason: Professional Babysitter on Jan 28, 2011, 04:07:07 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2011, 04:04:38 AM
That doesn't mean it was warranted.
Every half-decent movie warrants a sequel. It's the law of cinema these days. :-\
A sequel was possible but it wasn't necessary. Alien ended just fine where it was.
True, it did. But isn't it so much better having a whole series plus a prequel though. :laugh:
I can't even imagine life without Aliens, Alien 3, and Alien Resurrection. :laugh:
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2011, 04:20:58 AM
Quote from: Jason: Professional Babysitter on Jan 28, 2011, 04:07:07 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2011, 04:04:38 AM
That doesn't mean it was warranted.
Every half-decent movie warrants a sequel. It's the law of cinema these days. :-\
A sequel was possible but it wasn't necessary. Alien ended just fine where it was.
It did. When something makes money, FOX wants more. At least they got James Cameron and not someone who would f*ck it up ala whats-his-face-ressurection and Strause Bros.
My life has meaning again :D
Oh man I don't even know what to believe.....
Ugh
I recommend ceasing anticipation and putting all your hopes and dreams behind Elysium. It's worked pretty well for me so far.
Will consider
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2011, 03:15:59 PM
Interesting. Ill frontpage it when I get home. Cautiously pleased.
Im pleased too, although it's still too early to tell if this is legit or not.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2011, 03:13:16 AM
I don't get this; 4 months ago, everyone was saying no to the origin idea. All of a sudden, you guys are creaming.
I don't get it either. And I'm one of the people that's currently excited. There's something about seeing that all together that makes me want to see it.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 28, 2011, 05:36:27 AM
I recommend ceasing anticipation and putting all your hopes and dreams behind Elysium. It's worked pretty well for me so far.
This. I'm not going to be excited for
Prometheus until we get some srs information/confirmation.
Elysium, on the other hand, is pretty much guaranteed to be a great film.
since we still don't know anything serious about the story so far I'm actually more excited about the casting news on fassbender than the other stuff.
ridley scott + giger + a great cast so far = most probably a good movie! (certainly lightyears better than any of the more recent movies)
Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 27, 2011, 04:45:05 PM
You know what? At first I was disappointed that this wasn't going to be an Alien movie anymore, then I decided it was almost certainly for the best - better not to jack up continuity with a prequel in the same universe.
So now I'm disappointed that it seems like it might be a prequel after all.
God damn, there's no pleasing me.
why would you be disappointed man? this will be awesome if it is a prequel it will fit in with the story wont it?
Quote from: warneford87 on Jan 27, 2011, 08:47:41 PM
I have good friend that is working on the movie in pinewood. He showed me pictures of aliens style APV's and he told me that he has read the script and that it is indeed all about the space jockeys. He also said it's gonna be real hardcore sci fi. Can't wait.
really? awsome so is it going to be a stand alone movie or what?
Quote from: warneford87 on Jan 27, 2011, 08:47:41 PM
I have good friend that is working on the movie in pinewood. He showed me pictures of aliens style APV's and he told me that he has read the script and that it is indeed all about the space jockeys. He also said it's gonna be real hardcore sci fi. Can't wait.
Dutch Dillon, is that you again making up Bulls**t.
For those who don't know Dutch Dillon was doing the same on the IMDB Predators forum. Always started topics with "A good friend that is working on the movie".
I figured the space jockeys were a given, really - call it Alien or Prometheus or whatever, they've always seemed like the bit Ridley Scott was really fascinated by.
So yeah, no doubt whatsoever that the Jockeys will be in, as for the Aliens themselves - I shall wait and see.
i like this lead up - it's exciting!
Intriguing how they mention the word "big"
That could be interpreted as in "big" - not the little ant aliens in the Harvest script, or just bigger Aliens.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2011, 04:04:38 AM
That doesn't mean it was warranted.
Every half-decent movie warrants a sequel. It's the law of cinema these days. :-\
A sequel was possible but it wasn't necessary. Alien ended just fine where it was.
True, it did. But isn't it so much better having a whole series plus a prequel though. :laugh:
Not when the last two sequels were even more unecessary than the first sequel, the last one being especially stupid. Let's not make matters worse witha prequel and ruining what little mystique is left.
i am confused.
This sounds f**king stupid.
im thinking that this movie will be apart of the ALien series only with a different name.. and maybe just maybe Fox is keeping that from us till close to the release date...
Maybe they thought the fans would not like an origin movie then they decide to throw out the alien to p*** of the fans then they announce its an alien origin movie again and the fans are so relieved to have the aliens back that they no longer care its an origin movie.
I quite like to see an origin movie if its done properly and with respect to established canon.
I think Scott might troll our fandom :P. He is becoming the next Tite Kubo.
Its possible that the reason for the name change is to distance itself from a franchise that has grown stale to the public.
Still existing in the Alien universe, including the alien now, pehaps a version that used the Jocky for a host, bigger monster, not 100% what we saw in the past, to make it new, an alien xenomorph none the less.
But simply leaving the name "Alien" out of the title.
It could still breath new life into the series.
One thing is for sure: I really don't know what to expect of this film anymore. Which might be a good thing, actually.
I hope they add the Queen Mothers. I haven't seen enough of them.
Changing the title -removing Alien from it- focusing on larger concepts etc, is exactly what a prequel would need to not feel like its only existence is to put the derelict on LV426, plus it would freshen it up. Better than say, Alien 5 or whatever. It'll be a new beast.
A new Star Beast.
This is interesting to say the least. No point in complaining or getting my hopes up just yet until we get more information on what the movie will be like.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2011, 03:14:17 PM
Quote from: bleau on Jan 28, 2011, 04:26:21 AM
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2011, 04:04:38 AM
That doesn't mean it was warranted.
Every half-decent movie warrants a sequel. It's the law of cinema these days. :-\
A sequel was possible but it wasn't necessary. Alien ended just fine where it was.
True, it did. But isn't it so much better having a whole series plus a prequel though. :laugh:
Not when the last two sequels were even more unecessary than the first sequel, the last one being especially stupid. Let's not make matters worse witha prequel and ruining what little mystique is left.
Then it's easy, don't see it.
Which is what I plan on doing.
I'm not comfortable with this halfway shit, personally. Either fold or go all-in, Ridley.
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Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 28, 2011, 08:14:08 PM
I'm not comfortable with this halfway shit, personally. Either fold or go all-in, Ridley.
I think this is what your after..
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Can't say I blame him, we are one movie shy of Xenomorph happy meals "with free Space jockey toy"
(actually if they exist already, don't tell me)
LMAO, I once thought how AVP happy meal toys would be if they ever got made. LOL I can only imagine a big headed alien, you push a button on its back and BOOM!, the tongue pops out in full force. The predator toy would be big headed as well, but if you press the button on its back, you'll see the 3 dot laser coming from the side of its mask. GOD I wish I was a kid, and they actually got made...
Close enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKSv85mJEmY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKSv85mJEmY#)
So much want :(
"I've heard that some sort of archaeological dig where they discover alien DNA takes place there and that DNA gives them the coordinates for an alien world."
AVP continuity.
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Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 28, 2011, 08:14:08 PM
I'm not comfortable with this halfway shit, personally. Either fold or go all-in, Ridley.
While direct sequels and prequels do make sense, there is a lot of Sci-Fi literature where established universes are given new scenarios that have very little to do with previous story lines. It's something unique about popular Sci-Fi literature as authors do this frequently. The "Halo: Cryptum" series by Greg Bear is suppose to be a new example of this (though I haven't read more than the first chapter online). I use to also read "Star Wars" fiction that did it all the time, as a matter of fact.
If Ridley does make his movie this way, it would be the first time (that I can think of) where something like this has been done in film. It's a good idea, I guess. But it's not a completely original approach if you look at the Sci-Fi genre as a whole.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jan 28, 2011, 09:53:10 PM
AVP continuity.
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Yeah, no.
I'm somewhat skeptical of this. Heck, I'm not somewhat, I'm quite.
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Not when the last two sequels were even more unecessary than the first sequel, the last one being especially stupid. Let's not make matters worse witha prequel and ruining what little mystique is left.
NO JACKASS I NEED MORE MONEY HATS TO WEAR IN MY MONEY POOL.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jan 28, 2011, 09:53:10 PM
"I've heard that some sort of archaeological dig where they discover alien DNA takes place there and that DNA gives them the coordinates for an alien world."
AVP continuity.
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WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
The dig may have been on another world, where a team of humans find evidence of the Jockies having terraformed it in the distant past - terraforming with Aliens. That's what Ridley said they are for - weapons of war that 'cleanse' planets for the Jockey. No AVP!
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Not when the last two sequels were even more unecessary than the first sequel, the last one being especially stupid. Let's not make matters worse witha prequel and ruining what little mystique is left.
NO JACKASS I NEED MORE MONEY HATS TO WEAR IN MY MONEY POOL.
Fox executives play Team Fortress 2?
makes sense.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 28, 2011, 11:06:59 PM
The dig may have been on another world, where a team of humans find evidence of the Jockies having terraformed it in the distant past - terraforming with Aliens. That's what Ridley said they are for - weapons of war that 'cleanse' planets for the Jockey. No AVP!
I like this. A Giger-style Egg Silo would be preferred.
I think there are two ways at interpreting this speculation, firstly word came from within fox that the prequel had changed into a stand alone film a few weeks back, fox also shot down the rumours that there were creative differences between scott and tom rothman (fox head honcho) over the budget and age rating criteria for the film. Then when the statement was released by fox and scott about prometheus, scott states that alien was indeed the jumping off point for this film and fox state, it's a new film with the begining of a new universe, scott continues stating keen fans will notice strands of the alien dna in the film. Both fox and scott make a point of being ambiguous but at the same time distancing themselves from Scotts 1979 original and the franchise in general. Now, this week an article has appeared on the movie section of the sky website stating the space jockey section of the derelict craft has been rebuilt at Pinewood studios in the u.k. , and that a bigger form of the xenomorphs will be the antagonists of this film with some obvious differences as they are a different breed because of the host no doubt. But there's one overriding question? Where is the sources evidence? and what is the sources credibility? there are alot of uncertainties regarding this information. That is what makes me see this as overhyped speculation, and why hasn't fox asked for the report to be pulled, which is what happened to the spaights leaked alien harvest and shadow 19 scripts. I think scott saw the alien franchise has been exhausted by fox since alien 3, and that an alien film on it's own got fox a bit jittery because of the previous failing of avp r, and they wouldn't commit a big budget or go for the R/18(uk) rating scott requested. it all boils down to money when it comes to tom rothman and fox, they wanted to play it safe with a pg13 3d cheaper psychological alien origin thriller. Scotts a clever bloke and knew if he went in a different direction, using a fresh approach he was likely to get the big budget he wanted and the secured R/18 rating. Let us not forget, even during production fox can still stick it's muddy claws in as it did with alien 3, the abyss, predator 2 and wolverine, butchering a potentially great movie, or even during post production by editing it down to a pg13, then when the dvd or blu ray is released, market it as the unrated version to make money, all i'm saying is see things for what they are but at the same time be weary of fox and don't jump the guns of movie speculation, because we may set ourselves up for disappointment in all facets of this production then.
I wonder if they will change the title to "Alien: Prometheus"?
They better not.
Sounds fine to me.
Sooo, I'm confused...
Is it an Alien movie or not?..."head explodes*
Alien Origins? Maybe, but it will have to be brilliantly handled...
Giant Aliens...eh? Didn't the BS want something like that for ABVP3??? I don't know, Scott, I don't know...
Head driving a ship...Could be cool, I guess, not sure though...
I really hope this movie is good...I'm hesitant, but I think that (hopefully) Scott will make the right choices with this one.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jan 29, 2011, 12:03:13 AM
I wonder if they will change the title to "Alien: Prometheus"?
I would vivisect a Fox executive.
Remove the tasteless bits first.
It's seems like a logical choice to add the "Alien" title in the "Prometheus" title to help sell more tickets.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jan 29, 2011, 03:21:05 AM
It's seems like a logical choice to add the "Alien" title in the "Prometheus" title to help sell more tickets.
The Dark Knight didn't have Batman in the movie, and that certainly sold. As long as this is marketed effectively...
...oh, wait, this is Fox. Put Alien in the title then...
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jan 29, 2011, 03:21:05 AM
It's seems like a logical choice to add the "Alien" title in the "Prometheus" title to help sell more tickets.
Heaven forbid a movie is successful based on its filmmaking merit rather than painfully predictable marketing tactics. If financial success is your primary concern, well...have fun with that, Van Leeuwen.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 29, 2011, 03:23:52 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jan 29, 2011, 03:21:05 AM
It's seems like a logical choice to add the "Alien" title in the "Prometheus" title to help sell more tickets.
The Dark Knight didn't have Batman in the movie, and that certainly sold. As long as this is marketed effectively...
...oh, wait, this is Fox. Put Alien in the title then...
The Dark Knight is related to Batman though. It was once the title for a graphic novel, combined with the fact that every poster for TDK had the bat logo on it so people knew what they were in for.
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Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jan 29, 2011, 03:21:05 AM
It's seems like a logical choice to add the "Alien" title in the "Prometheus" title to help sell more tickets.
Heaven forbid a movie is successful based on its filmmaking merit rather than painfully predictable marketing tactics. If financial success is your primary concern, well...have fun with that, Van Leeuwen.
You've never watched a FOX movie?
Of course I have, and I'm not ignorant. What I was trying to express was how dreadfully sad I found it that a fan would want a title with all the credibility of Alien: Rise of the Cobra.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 29, 2011, 03:03:25 AM
Remove the tasteless bits first.
Well, there's nothing on my plate anymore.
Go figure.
Interesting, if true. I have such mixed feelings about all of it. Ive been very apprehensive about another alien movie, while simultaneously excited to see one (especially when under the care of Scott). I also kind of liked the sound of a new unique sci-fi from Scott.
Still, having aliens mixed in this new franchise sounds pretty interesting.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jan 29, 2011, 03:21:05 AM
It's seems like a logical choice to add the "Alien" title in the "Prometheus" title to help sell more tickets.
Not really, just include it in the marketing campaign, doesn't really need to be in the title.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 28, 2011, 11:06:59 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jan 28, 2011, 09:53:10 PM
"I've heard that some sort of archaeological dig where they discover alien DNA takes place there and that DNA gives them the coordinates for an alien world."
AVP continuity.
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The dig may have been on another world, where a team of humans find evidence of the Jockies having terraformed it in the distant past - terraforming with Aliens. That's what Ridley said they are for - weapons of war that 'cleanse' planets for the Jockey. No AVP!
And they are going to find a pred skull!
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jan 29, 2011, 08:03:40 AM
And they are going to find a pred skull!
Cool story, bro.
aniways.. back to the topic people...........................
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 29, 2011, 08:06:43 AM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jan 29, 2011, 08:03:40 AM
And they are going to find a pred skull!
Cool story, bro.
Kinda cool. Won't utterly destory the franchise... like Predator 2. :P
Yeah, it will.
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Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 29, 2011, 05:22:40 AMAlien: Rise of the Cobra.
This has to be made.
WITH A SMASHIN' TWIST FINALE.
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Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 28, 2011, 08:14:08 PM
I'm not comfortable with this halfway shit, personally. Either fold or go all-in, Ridley.
While direct sequels and prequels do make sense, there is a lot of Sci-Fi literature where established universes are given new scenarios that have very little to do with previous story lines. It's something unique about popular Sci-Fi literature as authors do this frequently. The "Halo: Cryptum" series by Greg Bear is suppose to be a new example of this (though I haven't read more than the first chapter online). I use to also read "Star Wars" fiction that did it all the time, as a matter of fact.
If Ridley does make his movie this way, it would be the first time (that I can think of) where something like this has been done in film. It's a good idea, I guess. But it's not a completely original approach if you look at the Sci-Fi genre as a whole.
the cronicales of ridick sorta did it. its not realy a sequle but a new story in the same univers.
And they find the predator skull? Jesus. Let it go for Christs sake.
Quote from: bobcunk on Jan 29, 2011, 04:46:23 PM
the cronicales of ridick sorta did it. its not realy a sequle but a new story in the same univers.
Especially because it follows the same main character, right? ::) ;)
Soldier was in the same Universe as Blade Runner. Not that it made any difference to that shit heap.
Quote from: Walk Evil Talk on Jan 27, 2011, 04:01:49 PM
Man, I don't even know anymore.
Same here. News on the Alien prequel is turning out to be one hell of an emotional roller coaster... I don't know if I can take much more of this. I want this movie to be the epic return to form the series, as well as us fans, deserve. This is proving to be somewhat draining...
Us Alien fans have been screwed over countless times for so damn long... if there's any justice left in the world, Fox will let Ridley do his thing and we'll get the Alien film we've all been waiting for and the franchise can see some long deserved redemption.
Tbh the whole news post seems like pure conjecture to me, and isn't official, so I won't trust it.
I'm going to keep my hopes up that this is not true, because damn. Alien DNA = coordinates? Archeological dig? Are these people high, or have they simply not seen the disaster that was AVP? Is it really that hard to comprehend, you need a good plot, to make a good film?
I... don't know what to think of this anymore.
Either this is a prequel or a spin-off... It's... confusing.
-Rakai'Thwei
ok im confused...you have a space jocky cockpit and a space jocky..? you have hr giger, his alien,an alien style android and pos lv426 or an alien style hive planet...
but this is not a prequel to alien OK THIS MAKES NOOOOO F--------N SCENSE really you stick any of that above dna in a film and its alien
Maybe the script sucked and they decided,f!uck it we're doing something else.
maybe "Prometheus" IS the planet of the aliens..... :-\ ;)
Either incorporate aliens full time or stay the f**k away from 'em...ffs.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 29, 2011, 07:13:09 PM
I... don't know what to think of this anymore.
Either this is a prequel or a spin-off... It's... confusing.
-Rakai'Thwei
Thats a side-effect of the space-jockey's mind control if harvest has any truth in it.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 29, 2011, 07:13:09 PM
I... don't know what to think of this anymore.
Either this is a prequel or a spin-off... It's... confusing.
-Rakai'Thwei
Spin-off I could probably stomach, if they wanted to use little bits and pieces of Alien universe stuff, like set designs and such. But origins? No thanks.
does alien really need a prequel or whatever it is... can't they come up with something new? its just unnecessary sure it would be intresting to see aliens homeworld wtf a gaint head don't think i'll take that too seriously! :o big aliens and facehuggers thats some scary s**t it would be intresting if the space jockies and aliens were allies before things went tits up the spacejockeys in the harvest script sound funny ;D especially that part when he killed that human for hitting the cat lmao it was abit over the top! lol so the humans find coordinates to an alien planet and just decide to go there withou considerating whether or not these beings are hostile they're asking for trouble :laugh: refuse to watch this if it tells the life story of aliens/jockeys or the aliens are created by spacej's or humans ;D would make sense if they were engineered ;D hehe i guess the aliens are the spacejockies babbies
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 30, 2011, 03:33:58 AM
Spin-off I could probably stomach, if they wanted to use little bits and pieces of Alien universe stuff, like set designs and such. But origins? No thanks.
So it's a movie, that's not about the Xenomorph, but apparently... Xenomorphs are in this. Right?
....I don't see the point in their appearance in this film. It just seems... unnecessary.
But what the hell, I'm just rambling.
-Rakai'Thwei
If we go by what fox and scott have already stated regarding prometheus, i don't think we will directly see a xenomorph as such, just another creature briefly with similar physical traits, fox and scott haven't actually gone on record to state space jockeys are in the film, they just appear to be distancing themselves from it. even lindeloff does and he helped scott rewrite parts of the script. I don't think we will see the derelict or space jockeys, and fox won't risk putting 'alien' in the title before prometheus it would be too much of a gamble after the mess of avp r. If they do try and link it to alien dark horse may do a comic or a novel for that but it's too early to say. I'm glad they have held prometheus back until june, they have more time to develop the project.
Quote from: Wobblyboddle77 on Jan 30, 2011, 10:48:43 AM
If we go by what fox and scott have already stated regarding prometheus, i don't think we will directly see a xenomorph as such, just another creature briefly with similar physical traits, fox and scott haven't actually gone on record to state space jockeys are in the film, they just appear to be distancing themselves from it. even lindeloff does and he helped scott rewrite parts of the script. I don't think we will see the derelict or space jockeys, and fox won't risk putting 'alien' in the title before prometheus it would be too much of a gamble after the mess of avp r. If they do try and link it to alien dark horse may do a comic or a novel for that but it's too early to say. I'm glad they have held prometheus back until june, they have more time to develop the project.
OMG another negative person.....
sky have laways got reliable sources they claimed threy have seen parts of the script and have seen the space jockey and there spaceship so i think we will see spacejockeys in the film
This mess is getting out of control and my brain's about to blow up from thinking about it so I just want Ridley to tell us what the f**k is going on. I want to hear it coming from his mouth.
I'm wondering about this title, "prometheus", name.
Prometheus was the greek titan who was chained to a big rock, as punishment by the gods.
Titan's could regrow missing parts, so he grows back his liver and each day then an eagle comes back to eat it again.
So now I've got this image in my head of some giant re-generating life form that is bound, and being facehugged + chest bursted every day.
Guess its a fast way to build up an army of a lot of big aliens too. :D
fassbender is a android eh?! this has to be set in the alien universe if there is an android ! :) i cannot wait
Meathead, if that's you in your pic, you're f€#kn hot!
This is an alien prequel. Period.
I think they didnt even know what they wanted to do till the last minute.
Bit of alien but not alien movie...
Bit of space jockey but not an alien movie...
WHEN THEY DECIDE IF THIS IS an ALIEN PREQUEL or A SPIN OFF or JUST A BIT OF ALIEN MOVIE or an ORIGINAL MOVIE BUT IN THE ALIEN UNIVERSE.....PM ME!!!!
Quote from: Meathead320 on Jan 30, 2011, 03:10:11 PM
I'm wondering about this title, "prometheus", name.
Prometheus was the greek titan who was chained to a big rock, as punishment by the gods.
Titan's could regrow missing parts, so he grows back his liver and each day then an eagle comes back to eat it again.
So now I've got this image in my head of some giant re-generating life form that is bound, and being facehugged + chest bursted every day.
Guess its a fast way to build up an army of a lot of big aliens too. :D
The regeneration was part of his punishment, not a natural ability. Don't you people read your Aeschylus!?! :laugh:
deep down I still really want to this to be an alien prequel, I guess I'm just too fond of the universe to let go
before, all my hopes were riding on AvP and AvP-R
those failed (almost comically) to realise the full potential of combining two great franchises...I'm still convinced that a good AvP film could be made, it just takes some dedication and talent
I also had a lot of hope for Predators, which turned out to be quite a mediocre affair
MOST RECENTLY the idea of a pure Alien prequel directed by none other than Ridley Scott had me really really excited once again, I think this is Fox's best bet to revive Alien franchise, as long as it somehow fits with continuity, I would definitely prefer this to an unrelated sci-fi movie
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 30, 2011, 04:39:07 PM
Quote from: Meathead320 on Jan 30, 2011, 03:10:11 PM
I'm wondering about this title, "prometheus", name.
Prometheus was the greek titan who was chained to a big rock, as punishment by the gods.
Titan's could regrow missing parts, so he grows back his liver and each day then an eagle comes back to eat it again.
So now I've got this image in my head of some giant re-generating life form that is bound, and being facehugged + chest bursted every day.
Guess its a fast way to build up an army of a lot of big aliens too. :D
The regeneration was part of his punishment, not a natural ability. Don't you people read your Aeschylus!?! :laugh:
What do you mean "YOU PEOPLE" ? >:( ;D
The point does not rise or fall on it being and innate Titan ability, or solely used as a punishment for Prometheus, being that this one is called Prometheus.
IF Morocco is in it then the pyramid will also be in it because those were the rumours back then :)
I`m excited if this STAYS true.
Quote from: Meathead320 on Jan 30, 2011, 05:52:39 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 30, 2011, 04:39:07 PM
Quote from: Meathead320 on Jan 30, 2011, 03:10:11 PM
I'm wondering about this title, "prometheus", name.
Prometheus was the greek titan who was chained to a big rock, as punishment by the gods.
Titan's could regrow missing parts, so he grows back his liver and each day then an eagle comes back to eat it again.
So now I've got this image in my head of some giant re-generating life form that is bound, and being facehugged + chest bursted every day.
Guess its a fast way to build up an army of a lot of big aliens too. :D
The regeneration was part of his punishment, not a natural ability. Don't you people read your Aeschylus!?! :laugh:
What do you mean "YOU PEOPLE" ? >:( ;D
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OMG another negative person.....
sky have laways got reliable sources they claimed threy have seen parts of the script and have seen the space jockey and there spaceship so i think we will see spacejockeys in the film
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Me negative? far from it, i'm only stating my interpretation of differentiating the solid facts of what we have been told by scott and fox to date, and what is speculation by media outlets. I have been a fan of the alien franchise for over 15 years, have read all the dark horse comics, seen all the movies and currently reading alien omnibus by alan dean foster and have the alien anthology blu ray. I have been reading avp galaxy for a good few years, and its the best site to come to for lively discussions alongside fan ideas about prometheus. I don't detest the AVP movies, but i think fox delivered below average movies by using the wrong directors and poor scripts, if they had of used the comics storylines, the films would have been alot better. But regarding prometheus iam trying to keep it real and not mix speculation with facts, because that's when expectations become too high on the abundance of expecting see to things that won't end up in the final film.
The flame that Prometheus stole from the Gods and gave to humans was the start of their intellectual abilities. Fire allowed early man to rise above the beast in the sense that he now had the ability to make artificial light and forge new weapons. It essentially set them on new path of discovery and sophistication. Prometheus was a symbol of knowledge to many ancient Greeks for this reason and I think this point is significant to the title of the film. Fans of the alien series will finally get to know where the aliens and jockey originated from.
Needless to say, Prometheus was then punished for the theft of fire because Zeus thought that it would make mankind a bigger threat to the gods than he was comfortable with. The vulture that eats his liver day-after-day could also symbolize the aliens that reoccur in one scenario after another in the four films that follow the prequel. They will serve as a reminder that mankind should not tamper with things he wasn't meant to because, like the story of Prometheus, the consequences are horrific.
Or the film could just be about some guy named Prometheus who travels in space and gets into some mischief. LOL.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 31, 2011, 06:04:11 AM
Or the film could just be about some guy named Prometheus who travels in space and gets into some mischief. LOL.
This. I love it when people come across as Plato when they just looked up wiki and had a 3 minute think about a connection.
This is great news. I'd really like to see connections with the Alien movies. Maybe Prometheus will be a story aboutt he space jockeys in some way.
its Ridley Scott. Just let him just work his magic (the magic i refer to is the the magic before his most recent movies) and we'll get an EPIC, even if its not an alien movie. However if it is linked to the alien universe it will just make the epicness even greater.
Quote from: Highland on Jan 31, 2011, 08:16:09 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 31, 2011, 06:04:11 AM
Or the film could just be about some guy named Prometheus who travels in space and gets into some mischief. LOL.
This. I love it when people come across as Plato when they just looked up wiki and had a 3 minute think about a connection.
Plato had nowt to do with Prommy :D Aeschylus and Hesiod, pr'haps!
Prometheus in the Greek Mythology is a Titan, son of Iapetus and Themis. He's known for his "robbery" of fire, which he gave to humans, disobeying to Zeus. To punish him, Zeus chained him to a mountain, and condemned him to have his liver eaten by an Eagle, only to have it regenerated the next day and having the cycle repeated. This until Heracles, following some myths, freed him and killed the Eagle.
The film could play out on something structurally similar.
I'm certainly pleased with the idea of "big" aliens; everyone who reads the comics knows of the diversity of alien styles depending the the creature it impregnates (the rhino one I always found impressive).
Setting it in the same universe as Alien is a fresh idea, just bare in mind that this has gone wrong in the past with bad directors, e.g Soldier being set in the same universe as Blade Runner. I highly doubt Ridley will make a mistake as big as that though.
Quote from: Highland on Jan 31, 2011, 08:16:09 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 31, 2011, 06:04:11 AM
Or the film could just be about some guy named Prometheus who travels in space and gets into some mischief. LOL.
This. I love it when people come across as Plato when they just looked up wiki and had a 3 minute think about a connection.
This. I love it when people come across as pompous and matter-of-factly when they can't even contribute to message boards properly. Tool.
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QuoteThe Evolution of Prometheus
It began as an Alien prequel, but after months of speculation Ridley Scott has finally settled on a form, and title, for Prometheus. Just to bring you up to date, however, we have assembled a timeline of the rumours, alleged script leaks and actual quotes about the film's development so that, when Prometheus finally rises, you'll know where it's coming from and be able to spot those "strands of Alien DNA" that we've been promised.
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Quote from: Darkoo on Jan 31, 2011, 04:32:28 PM
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Bigger?
Quote from: Darkoo on Jan 31, 2011, 04:32:28 PM
http://www.empireonline.com/images/magazine/261/14.jpg
This is just speculation, but could those little black lines be words?
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 31, 2011, 04:36:32 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Jan 31, 2011, 04:32:28 PM
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Bigger?
It's only a preview :(
http://www.empireonline.com/magazine/ (http://www.empireonline.com/magazine/)
March?
ffffffuuuuuuuu
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 31, 2011, 04:38:18 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Jan 31, 2011, 04:32:28 PM
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This is just speculation, but could those little black lines be words?
Shirley you can't be serious?
Quote from: Darkoo on Jan 27, 2011, 03:03:32 PM
It turns out that Ridley Scott's recent comments that Prometheus would be a departure from the Aliens series are somewhat misleading.
An exclusive source has told us that not only are HR Giger's classic aliens in it, but that they're integral to the plot.
Mere hours after the announcement that Michael Fassbender is locked in to play an android with rumoured links to Aliens' Bishop series, our insider sources have revealed that he's not the only one with strong links to the series' past.
Alien 27This is back too...."They've built the 'space jockey' cockpit at Pinewood as seen in the original Alien film, so it definitely takes place in the same world as Alien", they told us.
"Despite that press release that seemed to indicate there were no aliens in the movie, the familiar HR Giger-style aliens do appear. Big ones apparently."
And as for Scott's comments noting that "keen fans will recognise strands of Alien's DNA"?
It turns out there was the slightest hint of misdirection - apparently the actual DNA of the xenomorphs is integral to the plot - and will see the cast jet off to the alien homeworld itself.
"Part of the film will be shot in Morocco. I've heard that some sort of archaeological dig where they discover alien DNA takes place there and that DNA gives them the coordinates for an alien world. I've also heard Morocco is being used for alien planet landscapes so I'm not sure if it's an archaeological dig on another planet," they revealed.
It gets weirder too, with Damon Lindelof's script set to crank up the sci-fi angle to maximum effect.
"The main spaceship in the film will be piloted by an enormous head which I assume will be CGI. Yep, sounds weird but I assume some of the technology will be sort of biomechanical."
http://movies.sky.com/exclusive-prometheus-plot-reveal-aliens-are-in-it (http://movies.sky.com/exclusive-prometheus-plot-reveal-aliens-are-in-it)
I am very happy that this film will have Aliens in it. I think the rumour about the Aliens being big ones must be to do with them being born from the space jokeys. I just dont understand why Ridley scott a few weeks ago came out and said this will be an original story outside the alien universe.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 31, 2011, 04:38:18 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Jan 31, 2011, 04:32:28 PM
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This is just speculation, but could those little black lines be words?
Crazy talk! :laugh:
That issue will be out next Thurday, 3rd of Feb. Prob nothing new, but worth a look I guess?
POST IT
I have it on subscription so I should receive the issue any day now (hopefully tomorrow) since subscribers are usually sent issues earlier. I'll post up any new details if the issue contains them but it sounds more like just a run through of the current production history for the general public rather than anything that's going to shed new light.
Quote from: grands0nz0rz on Jan 31, 2011, 04:42:51 PM
March?
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na even worse now mate its seduled for june now apprently....
I can't read this, was it writen for ants?
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Issue actual size, you know.
No, it's a preview, we won't get a bigger one until the issue's released.
Prometheus Plot Reveal - Aliens ARE In It but not the small ones,only the big ones but there is alien dna,but in the alien universe,but its not an alien movie,but but but but ???
ooooooh its like trying to explain to a horny kid the movie ''boogie nights''
Its about porn industry...,with normal actors but with porn actors too,with many sex scenes but with no hardcore scenes,but with nudity,but based on true events,with a cock on screen but not in action with a ....but but but but ???
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Jan 31, 2011, 04:48:14 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 31, 2011, 04:38:18 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Jan 31, 2011, 04:32:28 PM
http://www.empireonline.com/images/magazine/261/14.jpg
This is just speculation, but could those little black lines be words?
Shirley you can't be serious?
I AM Serious, and don't call me Shirley!
Well, the filming in Morrocco was confirmed last December by Nourreddine Sail, head of the country's main film body, the Moroccan Cinema Centre mentioned in a report in the Financial Times of all places
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Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 31, 2011, 03:52:26 PM
Quote from: Highland on Jan 31, 2011, 08:16:09 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Jan 31, 2011, 06:04:11 AM
Or the film could just be about some guy named Prometheus who travels in space and gets into some mischief. LOL.
This. I love it when people come across as Plato when they just looked up wiki and had a 3 minute think about a connection.
This. I love it when people come across as pompous and matter-of-factly when they can't even contribute to message boards properly. Tool.
I was actually giving you props for having the sense to put that sentence on the end, since I just read 10 pages of 10 year olds give me history lessons. You didn't get it, keep on truckin.
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Plato had nowt to do with Prommy - Aeschylus and Hesiod, pr'haps
And another....
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jan 31, 2011, 07:57:51 PM
Well, the filming in Morrocco was confirmed last December by Nourreddine Sail, head of the country's main film body, the Moroccan Cinema Centre mentioned in a report in the Financial Times of all places
(http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/03fd5abc-0317-11e0-80eb-00144feabdc0.html#axzz17ovCnd1Y (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/03fd5abc-0317-11e0-80eb-00144feabdc0.html#axzz17ovCnd1Y))
Good find!
this betta not suck like avp i mean they were good but just not as good as we fought so this better fit in with the story and better not be some type of sh**ty arse spin off
Alien related or not....it will be defenately better than avp.....avp movies were not scary.
Had no depth and the second one reminded me movies like: ''i know what you did last summer'',''final destination'' ect....
Even alien 4 was 300 times more serious,scary and solid movie than the 2 avp movies.
I dont like Ridley changed his mind about the alien prequel or whatever this is going to be...but
He would never do a movie of that style and depth.
Quote from: prodigy211 on Jan 31, 2011, 06:59:51 PM
ooooooh its like trying to explain to a horny kid the movie ''boogie nights''
Its about porn industry...,with normal actors but with porn actors too,with many sex scenes but with no hardcore scenes,but with nudity,but based on true events,with a cock on screen but not in action with a ....but but but but ???
Lol You just summed up the entire thread :D
"prodigy"? Do i know you from some other forum perhaps? ;)
Quote from: prodigy211 on Jan 31, 2011, 09:59:35 PM
Alien related or not....it will be defenately better than avp.....avp movies were not scary.
Had no depth and the second one reminded me movies like: ''i know what you did last summer'',''final destination'' ect....
Even alien 4 was 300 times more serious,scary and solid movie than the 2 avp movies.
I dont like Ridley changed his mind about the alien prequel or whatever this is going to be...but
He would never do a movie of that style and depth.
yeah but come on its scott wat ever film he does its amazing i cannot wait to see what he has come up with to be honest
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jan 31, 2011, 10:20:29 PM
Quote from: prodigy211 on Jan 31, 2011, 06:59:51 PM
ooooooh its like trying to explain to a horny kid the movie ''boogie nights''
Its about porn industry...,with normal actors but with porn actors too,with many sex scenes but with no hardcore scenes,but with nudity,but based on true events,with a cock on screen but not in action with a ....but but but but ???
Lol You just summed up the entire thread :D
"prodigy"? Do i know you from some other forum perhaps? ;)
hahahahaha i dont think so but if you play avp on pc you ll know my other steam name ;D
Quote from: Highland on Jan 29, 2011, 05:34:29 PM
Soldier was in the same Universe as Blade Runner. Not that it made any difference to that shit heap.
Quote from: DragonBossk on Jan 31, 2011, 03:50:38 PM
Setting it in the same universe as Alien is a fresh idea, just bare in mind that this has gone wrong in the past with bad directors, e.g Soldier being set in the same universe as Blade Runner. I highly doubt Ridley will make a mistake as big as that though.
Lol, I found
Blade Runner to be a hugely overrated snooze-a-thon, while
Soldier was at least an entertaining action movie with a few moments of genuine emotion.
Besides, I know that both the writer and director of
Soldier have imagined the film as being in the
Blade Runner universe, but I don't think that's anything official.
Quote from: kelgaard on Feb 01, 2011, 04:19:08 PM
Quote from: Highland on Jan 29, 2011, 05:34:29 PM
Soldier was in the same Universe as Blade Runner. Not that it made any difference to that shit heap.
Quote from: DragonBossk on Jan 31, 2011, 03:50:38 PM
Setting it in the same universe as Alien is a fresh idea, just bare in mind that this has gone wrong in the past with bad directors, e.g Soldier being set in the same universe as Blade Runner. I highly doubt Ridley will make a mistake as big as that though.
Lol, I found Blade Runner to be a hugely overrated snooze-a-thon, while Soldier was at least an entertaining action movie with a few moments of genuine emotion.
Besides, I know that both the writer and director of Soldier have imagined the film as being in the Blade Runner universe, but I don't think that's anything official.
1] BLASPHEMY!
2] David Peoples co-wrote Blade Runner, it's related to Soldier only so far as he considered the soldiers themselves as sort of replicants, and wrote it with that BR universe in mind. That's pretty much as official as you can get, though the two IP's don't originate from the screenwriter.
I don't really let Soldier blight me when watching BR.
ino this is off topic but who hasnt been off topic lol....
anyways could somebody tell me how i can read some of the alien comincs online?
thanks
Quote from: DragonBossk on Jan 31, 2011, 03:50:38 PM
Lol, I found Blade Runner to be a hugely overrated snooze-a-thon
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Although Soldier is a nice movie.
Quote from: dandan on Feb 01, 2011, 07:31:05 PM
ino this is off topic but who hasnt been off topic lol....
anyways could somebody tell me how i can read some of the alien comincs online?
thanks
Torrents. That's how I got the whole collection. Even the Hicks/Newt Book I and II. Don't have them any more though.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 01, 2011, 04:24:10 PM
Quote from: kelgaard on Feb 01, 2011, 04:19:08 PM
Quote from: Highland on Jan 29, 2011, 05:34:29 PM
Soldier was in the same Universe as Blade Runner. Not that it made any difference to that shit heap.
Quote from: DragonBossk on Jan 31, 2011, 03:50:38 PM
Setting it in the same universe as Alien is a fresh idea, just bare in mind that this has gone wrong in the past with bad directors, e.g Soldier being set in the same universe as Blade Runner. I highly doubt Ridley will make a mistake as big as that though.
Lol, I found Blade Runner to be a hugely overrated snooze-a-thon, while Soldier was at least an entertaining action movie with a few moments of genuine emotion.
Besides, I know that both the writer and director of Soldier have imagined the film as being in the Blade Runner universe, but I don't think that's anything official.
1] BLASPHEMY!
2] David Peoples co-wrote Blade Runner, it's related to Soldier only so far as he considered the soldiers themselves as sort of replicants, and wrote it with that BR universe in mind. That's pretty much as official as you can get, though the two IP's don't originate from the screenwriter.
I don't really let Soldier blight me when watching BR.
Well it was more than just that , specific details - The battle of Tannhauser Gate , plus the spinner vehicles from Blade Runner. It was on screen.
It was kind of cool , but the movie sucked.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if a single voice cried out in idiocy, and was--
Quote from: kelgaard on Feb 01, 2011, 04:19:08 PM
[Lol, I found Blade Runner to be a hugely overrated snooze-a-thon, while Soldier was at least an entertaining action movie with a few moments of genuine emotion.
I fear something terrible has happened.
What? You're a Blade Runner fan, Sharp Sticks? :D
Something terrible has happened; I've derailed the topic. Apologies.
I pleasure myself to Blade Runner. Blade Runner is the nectar of life.
Quote from: kelgaard on Feb 02, 2011, 02:28:05 AM
What? You're a Blade Runner fan, Sharp Sticks? :D
I'd say so, he considers Blade Runner to be a part of the AVP canon. :-\
Beats over half of the other stuff.
I bet Prometheus will be alongside Bladerunner on your shelf even if there are none of our favorite xenomorphs in it.
I'll wait until I see it. Mindless loyalty to a brand ain't my thing.
Besides, my 'favourite xenomorphs' never appeared in ³, Res, AVP, or AVP-R. There you go.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 02, 2011, 02:46:40 AM
I'll wait until I see it. Mindless loyalty to a brand ain't my thing.
Besides, my 'favourite xenomorphs' never appeared in ³, Res, AVP, or AVP-R. There you go.
touche.
Quote from: Gazz on Jan 31, 2011, 05:15:41 PM
I have it on subscription so I should receive the issue any day now (hopefully tomorrow) since subscribers are usually sent issues earlier. I'll post up any new details if the issue contains them but it sounds more like just a run through of the current production history for the general public rather than anything that's going to shed new light.
Cant' wait :-X
Quote from: Darkoo on Feb 02, 2011, 09:09:33 AM
Quote from: Gazz on Jan 31, 2011, 05:15:41 PM
I have it on subscription so I should receive the issue any day now (hopefully tomorrow) since subscribers are usually sent issues earlier. I'll post up any new details if the issue contains them but it sounds more like just a run through of the current production history for the general public rather than anything that's going to shed new light.
Cant' wait :-X
i wound be to hyped about it tbh it will just be the stuff we already no and the things they wish would be in it.
It didn't come yesterday but I've still yet to check the post today. If Empire are under embargo on Captain American info then I'll probably just receive it around the same time as everyone else. They've been known to do that before.
EDIT: Just checked. Nothing but bills :(
Quote from: Jace Madan on Jan 28, 2011, 02:07:42 AM
Hmmm. Weird how it went from:
-This is an Alien prequel, featuring the space jockies and other concepts
-But, "the Original Alien as a shape is worn out and not scary anymore so we are redesigning it"
To:
-The project has evolved past being an Alien Prequel into a more grand and epic sci-fi film with hints of the Alien universe
To:
-Not only are there the original space jockeys, but we are going to the Alien homeworld, AND there are original Giger Aliens, AND they are giant in size!
Maybe they change their minds again in May. ::) I don't want to be disappointed twice and have to wait for more informations in the future.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 02, 2011, 02:37:05 AM
Quote from: kelgaard on Feb 02, 2011, 02:28:05 AM
What? You're a Blade Runner fan, Sharp Sticks? :D
I'd say so, he considers Blade Runner to be a part of the AVP canon. :-\
... ... ... No?
No what?
QuoteBlade Runner to be a part of the AVP canon
Ugh. Those two titles really shouldn't be uttered in the same sentence.
'A' canon though? P-P-P-Purge, works for me. Not that I'd bring it up in a debate or something.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 02, 2011, 02:43:49 PM
QuoteBlade Runner to be a part of the AVP canon
Of course. But do you agree with Sticks? Or found that statement... something?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 02, 2011, 02:47:57 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 02, 2011, 02:43:49 PM
QuoteBlade Runner to be a part of the AVP canon
Of course. But do you agree with Sticks? Or found that statement... something?
Agree with Sticks,
he considers Blade Runner to be a part of the AVP canon, naw! Sorry Predxeno.
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jan 31, 2011, 07:57:51 PM
Well, the filming in Morrocco was confirmed last December by Nourreddine Sail, head of the country's main film body, the Moroccan Cinema Centre mentioned in a report in the Financial Times of all places
(http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/03fd5abc-0317-11e0-80eb-00144feabdc0.html#axzz17ovCnd1Y (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/03fd5abc-0317-11e0-80eb-00144feabdc0.html#axzz17ovCnd1Y))
QuoteRidley Scott to start shooting his next film, the upcoming Alien prequel, at the country's southern Ouarzazate film studios next February and March.
So the movie will start filming in February.
American film magazine Production Weekly has recently published this synopsis about Prometheus:
"The story takes place in the distant future. There are two superpowers on Earth fighting each other for what's left of the remaining natural resources spread out across the solar system. One of these superpowers have created and sent a giant terraforming ship to a distant planet called Erix. Their hope is to take this living world and reshape it so that humans can live there.
This enormous terraforming spacecraft lands on Erix, a harsh and uninhabitable planet where it dispenses six smaller mobile units called Crawlers which spread across 125 kilometers of the planet and sow seeds which then terraform the planet. And the name of this terraforming spaceship is..."Prometheus." The severity of Erix's indigenous life is notable which are essentially referred to as bio-mechanoid killers. (Offers out to Angelina Jolie & Charlize Theron for Vickers, Michael Fassbender for David, and Gemma Arterton for the role of Truks. / Release date June 8, 2012.)"
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Oh Christ, they ARE Aliens in essence! :)
No Jockeys?
:|
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 02, 2011, 05:51:16 PM
American film magazine Production Weekly has recently published this synopsis about Prometheus:
"The story takes place in the distant future. There are two superpowers on Earth fighting each other for what's left of the remaining natural resources spread out across the solar system. One of these superpowers have created and sent a giant terraforming ship to a distant planet called Erix. Their hope is to take this living world and reshape it so that humans can live there.
This enormous terraforming spacecraft lands on Erix, a harsh and uninhabitable planet where it dispenses six smaller mobile units called Crawlers which spread across 125 kilometers of the planet and sow seeds which then terraform the planet. And the name of this terraforming spaceship is..."Prometheus." The severity of Erix's indigenous life is notable which are essentially referred to as bio-mechanoid killers. (Offers out to Angelina Jolie & Charlize Theron for Vickers, Michael Fassbender for David, and Gemma Arterton for the role of Truks. / Release date June 8, 2012.)"
Err...
QuoteThe situation in our world is this: The Earth is split into two factions, The Allied States and The Hegemony. Overpopulation has stretched the world's resources to the point where the supply of basic necessities like food and water cannot keep up with the demand. The growth rate of humanity has rendered our world unsustainable. Half of the Allied States' federal budget is classified and the existence of these "black funds" has come under serious scrutiny by world leaders.
Prometheus is basically a super-intelligent terraforming machine designed to transform a planet twenty-light years away, named Erix, into a new Earth. Once Prometheus landed on Erix, it divided into six mobile sections called Crawlers. These Crawlers spread over the surface of the planet, sowing the seeds to make this alien planet habitable. The problem is, one of these Crawlers has broken down.
http://www.whoaisnotme.net/articles/2009_0927_sha.htm (http://www.whoaisnotme.net/articles/2009_0927_sha.htm)
Sounds like a Shadow 19 to me.
Please god no ! Please i don't wanna have angelina jolie in there. cast someone else for f..k sake.
They are altering the deal. Pray they do not alter it any further.
It looks like this might not take place in the Alien canon, in the film Aliens, planets are terraformed using gigantic nuclear fusion buildings, not "Crawlers".
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 02, 2011, 05:51:16 PM
American film magazine Production Weekly has recently published this synopsis about Prometheus:
"The story takes place in the distant future. There are two superpowers on Earth fighting each other for what's left of the remaining natural resources spread out across the solar system. One of these superpowers have created and sent a giant terraforming ship to a distant planet called Erix. Their hope is to take this living world and reshape it so that humans can live there.
This enormous terraforming spacecraft lands on Erix, a harsh and uninhabitable planet where it dispenses six smaller mobile units called Crawlers which spread across 125 kilometers of the planet and sow seeds which then terraform the planet. And the name of this terraforming spaceship is..."Prometheus." The severity of Erix's indigenous life is notable which are essentially referred to as bio-mechanoid killers. (Offers out to Angelina Jolie & Charlize Theron for Vickers, Michael Fassbender for David, and Gemma Arterton for the role of Truks. / Release date June 8, 2012.)"
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 02, 2011, 05:51:16 PM
This enormous terraforming spacecraft lands on Erix, a harsh and uninhabitable planet where it dispenses six smaller mobile units called Crawlers which spread across 125 kilometers of the planet and sow seeds which then terraform the planet. And the name of this terraforming spaceship is..."Prometheus." The severity of Erix's indigenous life is notable which are essentially referred to as bio-mechanoid killers. (Offers out to Angelina Jolie & Charlize Theron for Vickers, Michael Fassbender for David, and Gemma Arterton for the role of Truks. / Release date June 8, 2012.)"
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 02, 2011, 05:51:16 PM
The severity of Erix's indigenous life is notable which are essentially referred to as bio-mechanoid killers. (Offers out to Angelina Jolie & Charlize Theron for Vickers, Michael Fassbender for David, and Gemma Arterton for the role of Truks. / Release date June 8, 2012.)"
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 02, 2011, 05:51:16 PM
The severity of Erix's indigenous life is notable which are essentially referred to as bio-mechanoid killers.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 02, 2011, 05:51:16 PM
bio-mechanoid killers.
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Quote from: predxeno on Feb 02, 2011, 06:21:50 PM
It looks like this might not take place in the Alien canon, in Aliens planets are terraformed using gigantic nuclear fusion buildings, not "Crawlers".
Might be a prototype, or a first way to do it, don't you think?
Also Valaquen already unvealed that. It's likely not the real plot.
bio-mechanoid killers sounds like a perfect describtion of the HR Giger Alien. Please let this be a prequel.
Quote from: Snowdog on Feb 02, 2011, 06:20:47 PM
Please god no ! Please i don't wanna have angelina jolie in there. cast someone else for f..k sake.
I don't like her so yeah I'm with you. Do what Scott did with the original film and cast some unknowns. Then they can have some good actors.
who said what about angelina jolie?
Final part of the news.
Quote(Offers out to Angelina Jolie & Charlize Theron for Vickers, Michael Fassbender for David, and Gemma Arterton for the role of Truks. / Release date June 8, 2012.)
Quote from: Snowdog on Feb 02, 2011, 06:20:47 PM
Please god no ! Please i don't wanna have angelina jolie in there. cast someone else for f..k sake.
ready to kick some alien ass
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Bio-mechanoid killers...could be aliens, but not Aliens.
Giger-shapes. But unless this Prometheus is a rejacked Shadow 19, it could be false. Wasnt' Truks in Alien Harvest? I can't even remember.
Hmm. Well theres not really all that i can say other than "Hmmm"
Is it possible that the Bio-mechanoid killers are the Jockey's and that this film will be a prequal to the Alien Prequal? And that the Jockey's design Aliens to kill the humans which are trying to terrorform their planet which we'll get to see in the Alien Prequal.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 02, 2011, 06:19:40 PM
Sounds like a Shadow 19 to me.
Yeah, I had noticed. I said as much on the news post but I haven't actually read Shadow 19 yet.
Even the names and functions are the same [Erix/Prometheus]
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 02, 2011, 07:23:08 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 02, 2011, 06:19:40 PM
Sounds like a Shadow 19 to me.
Yeah, I had noticed. I said as much on the news post but I haven't actually read Shadow 19 yet.
What is that? If its a script can you give me a link to it?
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 02, 2011, 06:19:40 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 02, 2011, 05:51:16 PM
American film magazine Production Weekly has recently published this synopsis about Prometheus:
"The story takes place in the distant future. There are two superpowers on Earth fighting each other for what's left of the remaining natural resources spread out across the solar system. One of these superpowers have created and sent a giant terraforming ship to a distant planet called Erix. Their hope is to take this living world and reshape it so that humans can live there.
This enormous terraforming spacecraft lands on Erix, a harsh and uninhabitable planet where it dispenses six smaller mobile units called Crawlers which spread across 125 kilometers of the planet and sow seeds which then terraform the planet. And the name of this terraforming spaceship is..."Prometheus." The severity of Erix's indigenous life is notable which are essentially referred to as bio-mechanoid killers. (Offers out to Angelina Jolie & Charlize Theron for Vickers, Michael Fassbender for David, and Gemma Arterton for the role of Truks. / Release date June 8, 2012.)"
Err...
QuoteThe situation in our world is this: The Earth is split into two factions, The Allied States and The Hegemony. Overpopulation has stretched the world's resources to the point where the supply of basic necessities like food and water cannot keep up with the demand. The growth rate of humanity has rendered our world unsustainable. Half of the Allied States' federal budget is classified and the existence of these "black funds" has come under serious scrutiny by world leaders.
Prometheus is basically a super-intelligent terraforming machine designed to transform a planet twenty-light years away, named Erix, into a new Earth. Once Prometheus landed on Erix, it divided into six mobile sections called Crawlers. These Crawlers spread over the surface of the planet, sowing the seeds to make this alien planet habitable. The problem is, one of these Crawlers has broken down.
http://www.whoaisnotme.net/articles/2009_0927_sha.htm (http://www.whoaisnotme.net/articles/2009_0927_sha.htm)
Sounds like a Shadow 19 to me.
This one is wrong. That's SHADOW 19. It was written long before HARVEST, any Alien Prequel and most specifically before Damon Lindelof came on board.
It is an original script by Jon Spaihts written before the Alien prequel was even on the map. While I wouldn't be surprised if ELEMENTS of it made it into his this film, what this describes is POINT BLANK- SHADOW 19. Given what we know to be true already this cannot be what we are dealing with.
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 02, 2011, 08:08:37 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 02, 2011, 06:19:40 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 02, 2011, 05:51:16 PM
American film magazine Production Weekly has recently published this synopsis about Prometheus:
"The story takes place in the distant future. There are two superpowers on Earth fighting each other for what's left of the remaining natural resources spread out across the solar system. One of these superpowers have created and sent a giant terraforming ship to a distant planet called Erix. Their hope is to take this living world and reshape it so that humans can live there.
This enormous terraforming spacecraft lands on Erix, a harsh and uninhabitable planet where it dispenses six smaller mobile units called Crawlers which spread across 125 kilometers of the planet and sow seeds which then terraform the planet. And the name of this terraforming spaceship is..."Prometheus." The severity of Erix's indigenous life is notable which are essentially referred to as bio-mechanoid killers. (Offers out to Angelina Jolie & Charlize Theron for Vickers, Michael Fassbender for David, and Gemma Arterton for the role of Truks. / Release date June 8, 2012.)"
Err...
QuoteThe situation in our world is this: The Earth is split into two factions, The Allied States and The Hegemony. Overpopulation has stretched the world's resources to the point where the supply of basic necessities like food and water cannot keep up with the demand. The growth rate of humanity has rendered our world unsustainable. Half of the Allied States' federal budget is classified and the existence of these "black funds" has come under serious scrutiny by world leaders.
Prometheus is basically a super-intelligent terraforming machine designed to transform a planet twenty-light years away, named Erix, into a new Earth. Once Prometheus landed on Erix, it divided into six mobile sections called Crawlers. These Crawlers spread over the surface of the planet, sowing the seeds to make this alien planet habitable. The problem is, one of these Crawlers has broken down.
http://www.whoaisnotme.net/articles/2009_0927_sha.htm (http://www.whoaisnotme.net/articles/2009_0927_sha.htm)
Sounds like a Shadow 19 to me.
This one is wrong. That's SHADOW 19. It was written long before HARVEST, any Alien Prequel and most specifically before Damon Lindelof came on board.
It is an original script by Jon Spaihts written before the Alien prequel was even on the map. While I wouldn't be surprised if ELEMENTS of it made it into his this film, what this describes is POINT BLANK- SHADOW 19. Given what we know to be true already this cannot be what we are dealing with.
Err, what? We know it's not Harvest, I explicitly said it was Shadow 19.
Quote from: Shobidoo on Feb 02, 2011, 06:21:19 PM
They are altering the deal. Pray they do not alter it any further.
:laugh:
This is actually sounding cool; I keep picturing this one planet from Mass Effect when I think of this. All green n' shit with lots of mountains.
Quote
Sounds like a Shadow 19 to me.
It doesn't sound like it.That IS Shadow 19.
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Feb 02, 2011, 07:50:12 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 02, 2011, 07:23:08 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 02, 2011, 06:19:40 PM
Sounds like a Shadow 19 to me.
Yeah, I had noticed. I said as much on the news post but I haven't actually read Shadow 19 yet.
What is that? If its a script can you give me a link to it?
you can download the script here http://www.sendspace.com/file/dj979t (http://www.sendspace.com/file/dj979t)
can oyu give me the link to this american magazines report please? or is it some info you found when you bought it?
So I read the description. And it's clearly Shadow 19.
*sigh*
Well, I thought ending was kind of creepy, at least. Would work with Aliens.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 02, 2011, 11:15:37 PM
So I read the description. And it's clearly Shadow 19.
is there anything to that? or is it just a rumor mill? because being 99% shadow 19 wouldn't really fit with the stuff we know so far.
The synopsis makes it sound identical. Obviously it will be going through revisions, but if Production Weekly is to be believed, yeah, in essence it is Shadow 19. Now I really wish I hadn't read that script.
Scott... press release. NOW! >:(
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 02, 2011, 11:41:18 PM
The synopsis makes it sound identical. Obviously it will be going through revisions, but if Production Weekly is to be believed, yeah, in essence it is Shadow 19. Now I really wish I hadn't read that script.
now i'm
going to read it.
Now I`m not going to read it :D
PW say:
QuoteThe severity of Erix's indigenous life is notable which are essentially referred to as bio-mechanoid killers.
Scriptflags said a few days ago:
QuoteThe severity of Erix's indigenous life is notable which are essentially referred to as "bio-mechanoid killers"
Word for word. I really think PW just copied and pasted their story together from various already-available sources.
That's what I'm thinking.
Goddamnit Ridley, take the cigar out of your mouth and tell us something concrete...
He has already given me concrete.
In my veins.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Feb 03, 2011, 01:16:04 AM
He has already given me concrete.
In my veins.
in that case, you might want to see a doctor. fairly quickly.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 03, 2011, 01:13:05 AM
That's what I'm thinking.
Goddamnit Ridley, take the cigar out of your mouth and tell us something concrete...
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Wouldnt be fun to make a press statement and say by word:
''the prequel is back on track...the ideas we had about Prometheus evolved to a very interesting alien prequel''
Quote from: prodigy211 on Feb 03, 2011, 01:25:44 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 03, 2011, 01:13:05 AM
That's what I'm thinking.
Goddamnit Ridley, take the cigar out of your mouth and tell us something concrete...
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Wouldnt be fun to make a press statement and say by word:
''the prequel is back on track...the ideas we had about Prometheus evolved to a very interesting alien prequel''
One can always dream.....
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Feb 03, 2011, 01:16:04 AM
He has already given me concrete.
In my veins.
If your erection lasts over 17 hours (man!), notify Ridley Scott and ask him what the f**k is going on with his dumb movie.
I had a 17 hour erection once.
... Dinner was awkward that day.
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Feb 03, 2011, 01:35:49 AM
Quote from: prodigy211 on Feb 03, 2011, 01:25:44 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 03, 2011, 01:13:05 AM
That's what I'm thinking.
Goddamnit Ridley, take the cigar out of your mouth and tell us something concrete...
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Wouldnt be fun to make a press statement and say by word:
''the prequel is back on track...the ideas we had about Prometheus evolved to a very interesting alien prequel''
One can always dream.....
I mean that he has confused us so much that this will be the final struck :laugh:
Bio mechanoid killers? Well, its already a step up from AVP!
ridley stop dicking around and give us the forever war before you die
By the time he gets around to it everyone will be gay.
so much for dicking around
i hope ridley doesn't die half way through production because his brother will probably get involved
Oh god.
So far Im enjoying this Shadow 19 script. Fassbender would be perfect as Vance.
Wow, yeah just finished Shadow 19 and I have to say i thoroughly enjoyed it! Some of the dialogue towards the end felt forced, but otherwise it was a great Science Fiction script. I would rather see Shadow 19 see the light of day rather than see it get transformed into a movie with our Xenomorphs.
You know what, Im just putting this at hope zero until I read either "Alien movie" or "Not an Alien movie".
This movie is confusing me. I hear it's not really a Alien movie even though it has Xenos. Some people are saying "Calling this movie a Alien movie is like calling Always 2 a "Godzilla" film".
Thanks for that Shadow 19 script... pretty badass read..... Prometheus being in it, alongside a planet with very nasty lifeforms and
Spoiler
a terrifying alien race that could easily be replaced with the Space Jockeys...
it cant be a coincidence... no way in hell.. they used this as the starting point for the new movie.
What is Shadow 19?
Meaning, how old is it? Who wrote it? For what? etc.
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 27, 2011, 09:01:09 PM
Quote from: warneford87 on Jan 27, 2011, 08:47:41 PM
I have good friend that is working on the movie in pinewood. He showed me pictures of aliens style APV's and he told me that he has read the script and that it is indeed all about the space jockeys. He also said it's gonna be real hardcore sci fi. Can't wait.
That's a bold statement mate. Any proof? :o
no im afraid not. he showed me pics on his phone just before xmas and said that he's under a non disclosure agreement so unfortunately i cant get these pics, but rest assured he said it will be awesome.
Quote from: warneford87 on Feb 03, 2011, 08:40:03 AM
Quote from: Vulhala on Jan 27, 2011, 09:01:09 PM
Quote from: warneford87 on Jan 27, 2011, 08:47:41 PM
I have good friend that is working on the movie in pinewood. He showed me pictures of aliens style APV's and he told me that he has read the script and that it is indeed all about the space jockeys. He also said it's gonna be real hardcore sci fi. Can't wait.
That's a bold statement mate. Any proof? :o
no im afraid not. he showed me pics on his phone just before xmas and said that he's under a non disclosure agreement so unfortunately i cant get these pics, but rest assured he said it will be awesome.
But of course you can`t ::)
Just got my issue of Empire and I'm sorry to report that it reveals nothing new. It's just a run down of published events that led to Prometheus without actually telling us anything more than fox and Scott did. :(
Quote from: Gazz on Feb 03, 2011, 11:59:35 AM
Just got my issue of Empire and I'm sorry to report that it reveals nothing new. It's just a run down of published events that led to Prometheus without actually telling us anything more than fox and Scott did. :(
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Quote from: Gazz on Feb 03, 2011, 11:59:35 AM
Just got my issue of Empire and I'm sorry to report that it reveals nothing new. It's just a run down of published events that led to Prometheus without actually telling us anything more than fox and Scott did. :(
Would it be okay if you could scan and upload it anyway please?
This is just a thought :
When Alien came out it was considered a nasty Star Wars. (see booklet of the Alien Soundtrack...it had some quotes in it)...could it be that this Prometheus is a nasty Avatar? Just a thought.
Quote from: Daz_85 on Feb 03, 2011, 12:33:25 PM
Quote from: Gazz on Feb 03, 2011, 11:59:35 AM
Just got my issue of Empire and I'm sorry to report that it reveals nothing new. It's just a run down of published events that led to Prometheus without actually telling us anything more than fox and Scott did. :(
Would it be okay if you could scan and upload it anyway please?
EDIT 2: Better ones up...
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Quote from: Gazz on Feb 03, 2011, 12:56:21 PM
Quote from: Daz_85 on Feb 03, 2011, 12:33:25 PM
Quote from: Gazz on Feb 03, 2011, 11:59:35 AM
Just got my issue of Empire and I'm sorry to report that it reveals nothing new. It's just a run down of published events that led to Prometheus without actually telling us anything more than fox and Scott did. :(
Would it be okay if you could scan and upload it anyway please?
EDIT 2: Better ones up...
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dosent tell us anything new atall! :( :( :(
Looking over all the information, it does seem a little hopeful for a slightly divorced Jockey film. Maybe.
Yeah, but even that sounds like it's a conclusion driven by the information that's already publicly available rather than from some insider knowledge.
so lets get this straight what the hell is going on here?! isit a prequel, a alien film , some kind of spin off? or a film about space jockeys? :S :S confused.com
Quote from: dandan on Feb 03, 2011, 04:41:08 PM
so lets get this straight what the hell is going on here?! isit a prequel, a alien film , some kind of spin off? or a film about space jockeys? :S :S confused.com
We're all confused about this man. No knows for sure whats going on.
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Feb 03, 2011, 04:58:56 PM
Quote from: dandan on Feb 03, 2011, 04:41:08 PM
so lets get this straight what the hell is going on here?! isit a prequel, a alien film , some kind of spin off? or a film about space jockeys? :S :S confused.com
We're all confused about this man. No knows for sure whats going on.
gues we will hav to wait i really cnt wait tbh and i want to here info from ridley or fox not just a few sites with ther unreliable sources lol
I'm getting the sense that 'Prometheus' will be related to the Alien franchise in a way that will see the plot deal with the Space jockey so to speak. while the alien as we know it may not appear, what COULD appear (I'm basing these theories on everything I have read so far - facts, the sky rumors, what Scott has said dating back to last year and up to this point) is what existed BEFORE the alien(s) we see in the original film existed - going back to the beginning of the evolution of the species. (this could also be what sky's insider source is talking about when he/she mentions the 'familiar and big giger Aliens'. This may also be what Ridley Scott is referring to in his introduction in the Alien Anthology booklet)
Giger's bio mechanical creatures that appeared in A L I E N had to have evolved from something, i think that 'something' may be what we see in Prometheus and therefore they can not simply call it a prequel to 'Alien' etc etc because it may not feature the alien as we know it, it may however feature the alien that existed before it.
I also don't think that it will be a true prequel in the sense that it will tell the story of what happened to the jockey and how it crashed on LV-426 etc (for example the star wars episodes 1-3 are 'true' prequels because they told a very specific story of how Darth Vader and the empire came to be) My theory is that Prometheus will be set before Alien or will at least be related to it quite strongly if not completely directly (this is further backed up by Noomi Rapace when discussing her role in Prometheus in a very recent interview with the 'Dagens Nyheter newspaper, "I'm not playing Ripley from the other Alien films, although this one is connected with them" from alienprequelnews.com, 19th january 2011), but will not primarily concern itself with how the space jockey ended up on LV-426.
As earlier stated these are all just my theories after having been constantly reading everything i possibly can on this project for over a year now. I am a massive Alien fan and have been glued to every piece of news that has been released so far on this project haha. I ramble on a bit, but just thought I share my theories with the good folks of the galaxy!
Wow... That magazine wasted good paper... Instead of writing all that stuff, they should have put up a link to AVPGalaxy. Seriously, you would know all that stuff if you visited this site.
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Feb 03, 2011, 06:24:55 PM
Wow... That magazine wasted good paper... Instead of writing all that stuff, they should have put up a link to AVPGalaxy. Seriously, you would know all that stuff if you visited this site.
That's what we're here for. 8)
Quote from: Ghost Rider on Feb 03, 2011, 07:17:13 PM
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Feb 03, 2011, 06:24:55 PM
Wow... That magazine wasted good paper... Instead of writing all that stuff, they should have put up a link to AVPGalaxy. Seriously, you would know all that stuff if you visited this site.
That's what we're here for. 8)
ino it was a waste of time tbh getting everyones hypes up for nowt!
To be honest I don't think Empire was speaking to you personally (:P) but as I said earlier when the article was first announced, it was simply a run down of events for the mass movie going public. Not everyone frequents a message board such as this or is in the know regarding the development of the Harvest script.
Yeah, personally I thought it was clear there would be nothing new in this article... but it's nice to see a roundup of all teh goings-on over the last year or so. Thanks for the scans!
My fear is that this movie give us ruined Space Jockeys. Stupid explanations to the first Alien movie. At least an Alien would compensate for it, but nothing is certain. :-\
Why would you want an explanation at all? Just leave it the way it is.
I want an explanation because I am a curious person. I don't like it when questions remain.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 03, 2011, 02:56:54 AM
By the time he gets around to it everyone will be gay.
Bwahaha.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 02, 2011, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 02, 2011, 08:08:37 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 02, 2011, 06:19:40 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 02, 2011, 05:51:16 PM
American film magazine Production Weekly has recently published this synopsis about Prometheus:
"The story takes place in the distant future. There are two superpowers on Earth fighting each other for what's left of the remaining natural resources spread out across the solar system. One of these superpowers have created and sent a giant terraforming ship to a distant planet called Erix. Their hope is to take this living world and reshape it so that humans can live there.
This enormous terraforming spacecraft lands on Erix, a harsh and uninhabitable planet where it dispenses six smaller mobile units called Crawlers which spread across 125 kilometers of the planet and sow seeds which then terraform the planet. And the name of this terraforming spaceship is..."Prometheus." The severity of Erix's indigenous life is notable which are essentially referred to as bio-mechanoid killers. (Offers out to Angelina Jolie & Charlize Theron for Vickers, Michael Fassbender for David, and Gemma Arterton for the role of Truks. / Release date June 8, 2012.)"
Err...
QuoteThe situation in our world is this: The Earth is split into two factions, The Allied States and The Hegemony. Overpopulation has stretched the world's resources to the point where the supply of basic necessities like food and water cannot keep up with the demand. The growth rate of humanity has rendered our world unsustainable. Half of the Allied States' federal budget is classified and the existence of these "black funds" has come under serious scrutiny by world leaders.
Prometheus is basically a super-intelligent terraforming machine designed to transform a planet twenty-light years away, named Erix, into a new Earth. Once Prometheus landed on Erix, it divided into six mobile sections called Crawlers. These Crawlers spread over the surface of the planet, sowing the seeds to make this alien planet habitable. The problem is, one of these Crawlers has broken down.
http://www.whoaisnotme.net/articles/2009_0927_sha.htm (http://www.whoaisnotme.net/articles/2009_0927_sha.htm)
Sounds like a Shadow 19 to me.
This one is wrong. That's SHADOW 19. It was written long before HARVEST, any Alien Prequel and most specifically before Damon Lindelof came on board.
It is an original script by Jon Spaihts written before the Alien prequel was even on the map. While I wouldn't be surprised if ELEMENTS of it made it into his this film, what this describes is POINT BLANK- SHADOW 19. Given what we know to be true already this cannot be what we are dealing with.
Err, what? We know it's not Harvest, I explicitly said it was Shadow 19.
I was commenting on and backing up what you wrote. My point is that SHADOW 19 cannot be the script because it doesn't follow with what has happened since it was bought by Warner Bros. As far HARVEST, I was never convinced it was a shooting script of any kind. It is stil on the table as to whether or not it was a legit draft. Did you guys read the EMPIRE article?
If you zoom in it's quite legible.
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Feb 03, 2011, 11:03:57 PM
I want an explanation because I am a curious person. I don't like it when questions remain.
Worked for Kane.
Thwaaaap!
Quote from: stroggificated on Feb 03, 2011, 09:19:29 PM
My fear is that this movie give us ruined Space Jockeys. Stupid explanations to the first Alien movie. At least an Alien would compensate for it, but nothing is certain. :-\
indeed. that magazine seemed to have the impression that this would be definitely harvest. and i don't really like that idea, because it's too contrived. it reads like fan literature. oddly, the bit about two (essentially) non-intersecting stories that the magazine talked about wasn't my biggest issue with that script. i thought there wasn't much of a problem with the structure. just the contrivances.
i'd like to see the "growers" remain mysterious. perhaps extinct. or at least very old.
this whole business makes me wish i'd actually written a script for that pitch idea i had a few years ago.
oh, and what's with all the "zeta reticuli" confusion here?
lv-426 is the moon of a brown dwarf planet in the zeta reticuli system.
zeta reticuli is not a planet, as scott says in the magazine. it's a binary star system, and a very famous one at that. everybody's other favourite alien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greys) in pop culture purportedly comes from there.
lv-426 is also not a planet in the gliese 777 system, which is a different binary star system, as described in harvest.
i really hope they don't massively f**k up the basic astronomy in this one.
LV-426 is Referred as Acheron in the Script.
...thought you should know.
Is this LV 426/Archeron stuff just from Aliens? Cos if it is I can forget it and go with whatever Prometheus delivers instead.
Suer O'Bannon thought of it as Acheron at one point, but Cameron says he called it Acheron ala Greek Myth. I really can't remember O'Bannon's take on it, if it was indeed him.
So the crashed spaceship from Alien, the one with the space jockey, is Prometheus? Is the space jockey the giant head that pilots the ship?
No.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 04, 2011, 01:54:53 AM
No.
Such profound usage of the English language, Sticks.
Sometimes being concise is the way to go.
There's no evidence anywhere to suggest that Prometheus is the Derelict. Gotta stick to the facts.
This whole thread makes me have the same feeling when i bought my first car.....
I checked 50 magazines...looked 100 reviews....saw the car in the dealer 10 times....compared it to 2 more of its class..
went back to the magazines to read reviews about the 2 other cars...went to the dealers to see the 2 other cars......checked the latest reviews about them.......test drove them too.....then tried to see if the cost was worthy for each car....then looked articles in the internet...then videos....then...then...then...then.... ???
and after all these my head was ready to explode,i was confused and i just wanted to buy a damn car and get over with it.
JUST MAKE THE DAMN MOVIE WITHOUT PRESS TALK OR HINTS ABOUT THE PLOT ECT!!!!
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I don't think I will believe that this is a Alien movie until it's 100% official then Internet rumors. Something in my gutt is telling me that Scott is becoming the next Tite Kubo by trolling our fandom hard.
Quote from: prodigy211 on Feb 04, 2011, 03:07:25 AM
This whole thread makes me have the same feeling when i bought my first car.....
I checked 50 magazines...looked 100 reviews....saw the car in the dealer 10 times....compared it to 2 more of its class..
went back to the magazines to read reviews about the 2 other cars...went to the dealers to see the 2 other cars......checked the latest reviews about them.......test drove them too.....then tried to see if the cost was worthy for each car....then looked articles in the internet...then videos....then...then...then...then.... ???
and after all these my head was ready to explode,i was confused and i just wanted to buy a damn car and get over with it.
JUST MAKE THE DAMN MOVIE WITHOUT PRESS TALK OR HINTS ABOUT THE PLOT ECT!!!!
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YdhJHZMyzXw/R18vQSCQNoI/AAAAAAAAAHM/dDIH3NCv74Q/s320/dawn+of+the+dead+head+explosion.jpg
You've got red on you.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 04, 2011, 04:06:57 AM
I don't think I will believe that this is a Alien movie until it's 100% official then Internet rumors. Something in my gutt is telling me that Scott is becoming the next Tite Kubo by trolling our fandom hard.
Which means you will have (actually we will have) to wait until the first trailers get released. It's the
only way to be sure.
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Feb 03, 2011, 05:34:04 PM
I'm getting the sense that 'Prometheus' will be related to the Alien franchise in a way that will see the plot deal with the Space jockey so to speak. while the alien as we know it may not appear, what COULD appear (I'm basing these theories on everything I have read so far - facts, the sky rumors, what Scott has said dating back to last year and up to this point) is what existed BEFORE the alien(s) we see in the original film existed - going back to the beginning of the evolution of the species. (this could also be what sky's insider source is talking about when he/she mentions the 'familiar and big giger Aliens'. This may also be what Ridley Scott is referring to in his introduction in the Alien Anthology booklet)
Giger's bio mechanical creatures that appeared in A L I E N had to have evolved from something, i think that 'something' may be what we see in Prometheus and therefore they can not simply call it a prequel to 'Alien' etc etc because it may not feature the alien as we know it, it may however feature the alien that existed before it.
I also don't think that it will be a true prequel in the sense that it will tell the story of what happened to the jockey and how it crashed on LV-426 etc (for example the star wars episodes 1-3 are 'true' prequels because they told a very specific story of how Darth Vader and the empire came to be) My theory is that Prometheus will be set before Alien or will at least be related to it quite strongly if not completely directly (this is further backed up by Noomi Rapace when discussing her role in Prometheus in a very recent interview with the 'Dagens Nyheter newspaper, "I'm not playing Ripley from the other Alien films, although this one is connected with them" from alienprequelnews.com, 19th january 2011), but will not primarily concern itself with how the space jockey ended up on LV-426.
As earlier stated these are all just my theories after having been constantly reading everything i possibly can on this project for over a year now. I am a massive Alien fan and have been glued to every piece of news that has been released so far on this project haha. I ramble on a bit, but just thought I share my theories with the good folks of the galaxy!
I forgot to mention the reason why I think we could see the alien in it's ancestral form is because a couple of times Scott has alluded to this - "Yeah, the thing about "Alien vs. Predator" is, I know it's commerce, but what a pity. I think, therefore, I have to design — or redesign — earlier versions of what these elements are that led to the thing you finally see in "Alien," which is the thing that catapults out of the egg, the face-hugger."
- Ridley Scott, April 2010, from alienprequelnews.com he also said - "I don't want to repeat it. The alien in a sense, as a shape, is worn out." (this is part of the same interview I believe) april 27 2010 from NME.com.
I don't get the logic behind that. Scott really lost me there.
I repeat myself... ::)
Which part?
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Feb 04, 2011, 09:03:07 AMI forgot to mention the reason why I think we could see the alien in it's ancestral form is because a couple of times Scott has alluded to this - "Yeah, the thing about "Alien vs. Predator" is, I know it's commerce, but what a pity. I think, therefore, I have to design — or redesign — earlier versions of what these elements are that led to the thing you finally see in "Alien," which is the thing that catapults out of the egg, the face-hugger."
so, here's a crazy thought i had.
the big change in
aliens in the reproductive cycle is that it essentially ignores the other haploid phases. instead, it substitutes the insect haplo-diploid cycle (the warriors are haploid males, queens and unseen workers diploid females, like in an ant colony). originally, in
alien, the facehugger was the haploid phase. it would contribute half its genes to the pool, and the other half would come from
the host. essentially, the facehugger
mates with its victims, and the result it produces is a diploid "adult" alien, composed of, on average, 50% genes from each "parent". now, being diploid creatures ourselves, we tend to think of this phase as the most important aspect of our existence. but biologically, we're just here to pass on our genes -- which we do through haploid cells. sperm and ova.
what if the focus is really just on that haploid phase, and the fearsome killing machine we know and love is really just a secondary result of the breeding process for the facehuggers? and they're the evolutionary origin, that just evolved a strange way to produce their eggs?
edit: or, stranger still, if there were a correlating "female" haploid species somewhere in the evolutionary history, and the fact that we ran into the middle of this whole process is just a complete accident.
We can prolly stop posting this on the AVP website now.
Considering it's called Prometheus, and has nothing to do with Alien or Predator.
Unless your just "following" this non Alien/Pred movie because R. Scott is directing it.
In that case where are all the Titanic Threads/Posts?
Did Prometheus just get a release, or something? People seem to know more about it than I do.
I love that description you have given regarding the alien reproductive cycle and how the face hugger contributes alongside the hosts dna to create what the xenomorph will look like once fully formed. If Michael Fassbender is an android, which appears the case, i wonder if scott will give him the same coloured blood as ash and also a few nods to the hyperdrive series ash was. Also will Weyland or Yutani be mentioned? would be cool if they were.
wow people are still mad at this?
Quote from: arachnophilia on Feb 04, 2011, 07:53:22 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Feb 04, 2011, 09:03:07 AMI forgot to mention the reason why I think we could see the alien in it's ancestral form is because a couple of times Scott has alluded to this - "Yeah, the thing about "Alien vs. Predator" is, I know it's commerce, but what a pity. I think, therefore, I have to design — or redesign — earlier versions of what these elements are that led to the thing you finally see in "Alien," which is the thing that catapults out of the egg, the face-hugger."
so, here's a crazy thought i had.
the big change in aliens in the reproductive cycle is that it essentially ignores the other haploid phases. instead, it substitutes the insect haplo-diploid cycle (the warriors are haploid males, queens and unseen workers diploid females, like in an ant colony). originally, in alien, the facehugger was the haploid phase. it would contribute half its genes to the pool, and the other half would come from the host. essentially, the facehugger mates with its victims, and the result it produces is a diploid "adult" alien, composed of, on average, 50% genes from each "parent". now, being diploid creatures ourselves, we tend to think of this phase as the most important aspect of our existence. but biologically, we're just here to pass on our genes -- which we do through haploid cells. sperm and ova.
what if the focus is really just on that haploid phase, and the fearsome killing machine we know and love is really just a secondary result of the breeding process for the facehuggers? and they're the evolutionary origin, that just evolved a strange way to produce their eggs?
edit: or, stranger still, if there were a correlating "female" haploid species somewhere in the evolutionary history, and the fact that we ran into the middle of this whole process is just a complete accident.
I like that. I hate the hole hive system. That just ruins the hole thign of alien for me. Its not alien at all the hive system cameron added, which is probably why i've recently gone of it. Ridley's morphing scene was more alien than anything i've kidna seen before. makes it creepier.
I like your theory that this killing machine is a mere accident rather than an intended process of the species
it's certainly a strange idea. i wonder if he's getting at something like that, with the emphasis on the facehugger and not the stereotypical alien.
Quote from: Original Predator on Feb 04, 2011, 08:21:19 PM
We can prolly stop posting this on the AVP website now.
Considering it's called Prometheus, and has nothing to do with Alien or Predator.
Unless your just "following" this non Alien/Pred movie because R. Scott is directing it.
In that case where are all the Titanic Threads/Posts?
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Quote from: Mus on Feb 04, 2011, 07:52:48 PM
Which part?
Because of AVP he
has to design/redesign earlier versions. - Why?
Alien is worn out. - Sorry, but then he's the wrong man for a prequel.
but the alien IS worn out.
He's so tired. His career has been nothing but diminishing returns since the 80's. And he knows it.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 04, 2011, 10:17:13 PM
He's so tired. His career has been nothing but diminishing returns since the 80's. And he knows it.
Adjusted for inflation, it's been diminishing returns from the get-go.
uh??
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118031530 (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118031530)
QuoteDeal deepens Spaihts' relationship with Bruckheimer, as the producer tapped him late last year to adapt graphic novel "World War Robot." The original story centers on a small band of humans and robots facing off in a battle on Earth, the moon and Mars.
Spaihts worked on New Regency-Summit's upcoming "The Darkest Hour in 3D." He broke into Hollywood with sci-fier "Shadow 19" and followed up with "Passengers," a space journey project penned for Keanu Reeves.
Spaihts was the originating writer on Fox's "Prometheus," which is in pre-production with Ridley Scott directing. Project was first rumored to be an "Aliens" reboot before Fox gave it the title "Prometheus" last month.
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
humans vs robots?... facepalm.jpg
Quote from: stroggificated on Feb 04, 2011, 09:34:52 PM
Quote from: Mus on Feb 04, 2011, 07:52:48 PM
Which part?
Because of AVP he has to design/redesign earlier versions. - Why?
Alien is worn out. - Sorry, but then he's the wrong man for a prequel.
He thinks AvP is shit, so he wants to annul it by creating his own back-story. Plus the fact he thinks Aliens killing people is boring now, another reason to do something different. No guarantee it'll be any good though.
There's no better person to revisit the Alien universe than Ridley Scott. The only man for the job.
And his career hasn't been diminishing returns. He started off with a great film and then created two out and out classics of cinema. He then made a long line of fairly standard but stylish thrillers through the 80s interspersed with more interesting films like Legend and Thelma and Louise. None of these films are poor in my opinion although they are not landmark films. He then continued to make decent but workmanlike films until he hit his stride again with Gladiator. Black Hawk Down was a good film and personally I preferred Hannibal over Silence of the Lambs. Kingdom of Heaven was a quality film and as I'm not prejudiced to despise a film just because of Orlando Bloom I didn't find anything wrong with it. I haven't seen Robin Hood, or in fact all of Ridley's films but I have no doubt that I would find them all perfectly acceptable. However the exciting thing about Ridley returning to science fiction is that he is clearly at his best when he is being creative, and historical and futuristic worlds bring out the best of creativity in him because he is basically visually constructing everything, not just lighting and composition.
Recent hints suggest that Prometheus has stronger ties than the news stories of a few weeks ago implied, but even if not, this is still likely to be the most interesting science fiction film in a long time, hopefully with a maturity that really interesting sci-fi used to have. The fact that it has expanded beyond the obvious restraints of a prequel means it must be strong on script and not just ticking the expected boxes of every other sequel/prequel that Hollywood churns out.
Oh, and why should we discuss this film on this forum? Well, I don't know about you but I can already see stronger connections in this film than I ever saw in Predator. I come to this forum for Alien (because it's one of the best places to discuss the film), but AVP just isn't on my radar at all. Whilst speculation for what Prometheus actually is remains this is a perfectly valid place to discuss it.
Quote from: Gash on Feb 05, 2011, 01:17:27 AM
And his career hasn't been diminishing returns.
I was talking about the Alien itself. Had no idea Kane's Son was in Thelma and Louise.
Oh Ok sorry. When you said his career I assumed you meant Scott.
Absolutely agree on the alien. Diminishing returns all the way.
Starting with Alien³, as far as I'm concerned. Aliens is great.
Kinda sad you overlooked Blade Runner in your big rant up there, but hey.
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what ya gonna do about it?
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 05, 2011, 01:39:58 AM
Starting with Alien³, as far as I'm concerned. Aliens is great.
Kinda sad you overlooked Blade Runner in your big rant up there, but hey.
QuoteHe started off with a great films and then created two out and out classics of cinema
:laugh:
Whoops. Oh well.
That's why you've gotta read carefully, I guess.
Spoiler
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so does anyone have any updates on the alien colonial marines game ?
we have a whole board for that.
Quote from: dandan on Feb 05, 2011, 01:30:32 PM
so does anyone have any updates on the alien colonial marines game ?
Yep, but it´s called now "Prometheus: The Game" ;D ;D ;D
I want a Prometheus plushie.
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 04, 2011, 10:00:41 PM
but the alien IS worn out.
No no no. Mediocre to bad writers and directors let you think so. And now an unenthusiastic Scott, too. ;)
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 05, 2011, 01:39:58 AM
Starting with Alien³, as far as I'm concerned. Aliens is great.
BOOOOOOO. ;D
Fox did their best to mess Alien³ up, but Fincher gave us a fine trilogy. All the misery began with Resurrection.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 05, 2011, 01:39:58 AM
Starting with Alien³, as far as I'm concerned. Aliens is great.
Kinda sad you overlooked Blade Runner in your big rant up there, but hey.
I'd hope it wasn't really a rant. i admit I got the wrong end of the stick for which I apologise but having seen a lot of anti Scott mania in the last few weeks I leapt to his (supposed) defence. Whether Prometheus is Alien or not I have every confidence that it will be a worthwhile film.
If it is an alien film sans the actual familiar alien, I think that Scott might well be right to create something new to disassociate it with AvP and an over familiar design that no longer has the impact it once had. Scott and his team created something really special in 1979, the design then was unique, and whilst essentially the design is still cool, the films that have followed have basically done everything they can with it and it is now just a (classic) movie monster: each later film worsening the design and making it look more like Scott's fear of a 'man in a rubber suit' than ever.
I'm sure Scott isn't interested in perpetuating that, he can see more possibilities. And that I think is his right. But this may be why Fox are reluctant to promote it as an Alien prequel, even though recent rumours suggest it's still very likely to be one.
Alien Resurrection was a fine movie. I dismiss the haters.
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Feb 05, 2011, 06:00:48 PM
Alien Resurrection was a fine movie. I dismiss the haters.
i agree with you to be honest resurrection was a good movie i fought i just no why people would hate on it
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Feb 05, 2011, 06:00:48 PM
Alien Resurrection was a fine movie. I dismiss the haters.
Maybe on its own,but not as an Alien movie,just my opinion of course
Quote from: eyesofthedemon on Feb 05, 2011, 07:29:46 PM
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Feb 05, 2011, 06:00:48 PM
Alien Resurrection was a fine movie. I dismiss the haters.
Maybe on its own,but not as an Alien movie,just my opinion of course
Yep, that´s it. Would have been a nice stand alone movie, but concerning canon and the whole franchise itself= FAIL!
A Fine movie?
I'm sorry, but 'fine' doesn't cut it in my book. Fine insinuates 'luke warm' of which does not belong in any alien film.
AR recycled the same tired formula.
1. Aliens loose on ship
2. Father [as opposed to the brilliant idea of calling the computer 'mother]
3. Running from point A. to point B.
4. Final Countdown before the ship blows up
5. Some one is a robot but no one knows until over half way through
6. a chestburster sequence
7. an alien being sucked out into space
8. Military presence [ALIENS]
9. Call as the Newt [little girl] character
AR was ripe with mediocrity with a few intense and psychologically freaky scenes. I reject it entirely. As much as I love the character of Ripley, Sigourney Weaver wouldn't know a good story if it bit her in the ass. I'm a huge Jean Pierre Jeunet fan, but the tone of the film was a bit to comical for me, especially for a series that began with deep, and intense, serious sci-fi.
But hey, that's just me.
I also like A:R allot. To be honest when I was much younger I found it to be most scary after Alien (mostly because clone room scene).
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 05, 2011, 09:53:56 PM
A Fine movie?
I'm sorry, but 'fine' doesn't cut it in my book. Fine insinuates 'luke warm' of which does not belong in any alien film.
AR recycled the same tired formula.
1. Aliens loose on ship
2. Father [as opposed to the brilliant idea of calling the computer 'mother]
3. Running from point A. to point B.
4. Final Countdown before the ship blows up
5. Some one is a robot but no one knows until over half way through
6. a chestburster sequence
7. an alien being sucked out into space
8. Military presence [ALIENS]
9. Call as the Newt [little girl] character
AR was ripe with mediocrity with a few intense and psychologically freaky scenes. I reject it entirely. As much as I love the character of Ripley, Sigourney Weaver wouldn't know a good story if it bit her in the ass. I'm a huge Jean Pierre Jeunet fan, but the tone of the film was a bit to comical for me, especially for a series that began with deep, and intense, serious sci-fi.
But hey, that's just me.
You are aware that Aliens copied the Alien formula as well? I wrote about it in a thread called the Alien Formula. If you are going to dismiss A:R because of the recycled formula, you should also dismiss Aliens as well.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=29136.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=29136.0)
If you read on, you will see that many forum members added more as well.
YES.
ALIENS used a good bit of the formula from ALIEN. The difference is.........it was done well, and was still somewhat fresh at the time.
*addendum* ALIENS used elements of the formula from ALIEN, not a direct plot lift.
So Alien resurrections problem was that it waited until 1997? had it been done sooner it would have been fresh? And why was it done right on Aliens and not in Alien:R? Both Aliens and Alien R were different enough from all the other movies that copy the formula. The Robot, The traitor character, the explosion at the end, the surviving alien gets in the ship for a surprise comback... you find that in 3 of the Alien Movies, plus many more.
The reason ALIENS or [James Cameron] got it right and ALIEN RESURRECTION [JPJ] didn't? That's the big question isn't it.
There's a reason that most of the fans love ALIENS the most and disregard AR as the abortion of the series. I think both films speak for themselves in terms of the quality of the writing, acting, etc...
It's like saying *I loved this dish at this other restaurant and hate it here* Better cooks, better ingredients, better results.
nuff said.
I liked A:R more than Aliens actually, It is my favorite of the series, Aliens being third. I am convinced that I am not the only one who thinks like that. But whatever. It's difference of opinion between us, no sense in agreeing or disagreeing.
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Feb 05, 2011, 11:28:37 PM
I liked A:R more than Aliens actually, It is my favorite of the series, Aliens being third. I am convinced that I am not the only one who thinks like that.
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Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Feb 05, 2011, 11:03:59 PM
So Alien resurrections problem was that it waited until 1997? had it been done sooner it would have been fresh? And why was it done right on Aliens and not in Alien:R? Both Aliens and Alien R were different enough from all the other movies that copy the formula. The Robot, The traitor character, the explosion at the end, the surviving alien gets in the ship for a surprise comback... you find that in 3 of the Alien Movies, plus many more.
Well, yes. It was the
fourth movie. If it wanted to be taken with less sighs of disappointment then it wouldn't have repeated a thrice used formula. Cameron's trick was to change genre and turn the tables in some ways [Bishop hinted to be untrustworthy ... but trustworthy!] Like O'Bannon said, after that had been done
'there wasn't really anywhere else to go'. AR changed into a black comedy, which turned the already neutered fascinating and frightening elements into jokes. Look at the chestburster scene, for one example.
How was Alien R comedy???
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Feb 05, 2011, 11:39:09 PM
How was Alien R comedy???
Black comedy. And how was it not? It's Jeunet's style. Even Omega will you tell that AR was a black comedy take. Like I said, compare the chestburster scenes from Alien 1-3 and then look at Resurrection's.
AR is an unintentional comedy, I mean, try taking any of that shit seriously. ALIENS featured comedy to break the tension, AR featured comedy because the very plot of the film was a joke from the start. The clone room scene was genius...pure ALIEN and a throwback to the unused egg chamber scene of the first film. Leland Orser was probably the best thing about AR by the way.
But, backing up....how old were you when you saw AR? Which film in the saga did you see first? I saw portions of ALIENS first as a kid and then saw the original from beginning to end. So, I was able to see how the series started, the formula from the beginning before it became a formula. Thusly I was able to watch the decline from the beginning.
I saw the movies in this order:
Alien, Aliens, Alien3, Alien R, I saw them in succession. Alien 3, though, only saw it once by the time I watch Alien R (I HATE Alien 3).
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Feb 05, 2011, 11:28:37 PM
I liked A:R more than Aliens actually, It is my favorite of the series, Aliens being third. I am convinced that I am not the only one who thinks like that. But whatever. It's difference of opinion between us, no sense in agreeing or disagreeing.
A:R has problems, but I do love it and its probably my second favorite sequel.
How old are you?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 06, 2011, 02:09:19 AM
How old are you?
Me? 18. But A:R was also not the first Alien film I saw. I saw Alien and Aliens first.
Age matters. The younger gen usually enjoys the more recent films while the older gen enjoys the earlier films.
Am i the only person that doesn't like what Aliens changed about the creature? Now they only seem threatening when there are dozens of them.
Quote from: Remonster on Feb 06, 2011, 04:32:19 AM
Am i the only person that doesn't like what Aliens changed about the creature? Now they only seem threatening when there are dozens of them.
Watched Alien lately? It hasn't changed.
Quote from: Remonster on Feb 06, 2011, 04:32:19 AM
Am i the only person that doesn't like what Aliens changed about the creature? Now they only seem threatening when there are dozens of them.
Considering maybe that the Nostromo crew was unarmed and uncoordinated makes a lot more of a difference.
Same thing goes for A3
Also, same thing goes for the Colonists in AS
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 06, 2011, 04:33:49 AM
Quote from: Remonster on Feb 06, 2011, 04:32:19 AM
Am i the only person that doesn't like what Aliens changed about the creature? Now they only seem threatening when there are dozens of them.
Watched Alien lately? It hasn't changed.
Yeah, I watch it all the time. And the alien wasn't throwing itself at them with reckless abandon, and It actually seemed to be able to think for itself instead of just being some brainless bug.
Nah, I disagree fullheartedly. I'd debate this in detail, Valaquen put it best:
QuoteDecrying James Cameron for introducing insect influences into the Alien series is akin to blaming wet streets for rain. Ridley Scott, Dan O'Bannon, HR Giger, and all closely involved with the creation of the original Alien cited and compared the creature to insects, years before Cameron even dreamed up his Terminator debut.
Bitching about making them act like insects, and have an insectile social structure, on the other hand, is entirely valid.
To get the thread back to topic and away from another useless A:R (se) ;) discussion, look over at the http://www.alienprequelnews.com/ (http://www.alienprequelnews.com/)
Quite interesting, Halon Entertainment one of the leading companies in the previsualisation of effects- and CG heavy movies are on board as stated.
When you look their page, please keep in mind that they don´t do final CG for the movies, but they provide the Director as well the Editor and CG-Artists with information, a former storyboard never could have achieved.
The fact, they joined, proves even more how CG heavy "Prometheus" will be.
OMG......alien>aliens>alien3>alien:R
This is how it is 4 me.
Alien has less action but a much different kind of terror compared to aliens.
Alien3 might dont be as good as alien and aliens but its a f**king serious film compared to avp:R
btw these kids today....omg alien:R....really? im really almost sure that today's kids dont have a good judgement
and most of them love visuals/action scenes over a good plot/story/directing.
and im not talking about the alien franchise only...i mean many of the todays kids cant value old school movies that
are accepted by almost all that are masterpieces,just because the fx are not perfect or because there is no mindless crazy action Mtv style....they find it ''boring'' and ''uninteresting''...pfffffffffffff!
(im almost 30.)
***im talking about the majority,not all the people who are under 20-25.
Quote from: prodigy211 on Feb 06, 2011, 08:03:35 AM
OMG......alien>aliens>alien3>alien:R
btw these kids today....omg alien:R....really? im really almost sure that today's kids dont have a good judgement
and most of them love visuals/action scenes over a good plot/story/directing.
and im not talking about the alien franchise only...i mean many of the todays kids cant value old school movies that
are accepted by almost all that are masterpieces,just because the fx are not perfect or because there is no mindless crazy action Mtv style....they find it ''boring'' and ''uninteresting''...pfffffffffffff!
(im almost 30.)
I can`t watch alot of those `masterpiece`movies for the reason you listed, but also for another. For me, movies are a fun way to escape reality. So when a movie is just...boring, I`m not having the fun I seek, and therefore don`t enjoy the movie.
And it's that demographic that has made Hollywood turn away from making interesting films to popcorn fare instead... to the massive detriment of the film industry.
We all like the occasional frivolous film, in fact cheesey films are great fun, but the fear of investing in more mature films has decimated quality control and alienated a lot of potential movie goers.
Quote from: Gash on Feb 06, 2011, 09:45:21 AM
And it's that demographic that has made Hollywood turn away from making interesting films to popcorn fare instead... to the massive detriment of the film industry.
We all like the occasional frivolous film, in fact cheesey films are great fun, but the fear of investing in more mature films has decimated quality control and alienated a lot of potential movie goers.
Exactly...popcorn movies aint bad but now its epidemic and the worst is that most kids start to believe that: ''oohh man these are so good and interesting movies!!!'' .....not to mention that even the 80's popcorn movies have better dialogues than of the current ones hahahahaha :laugh:
Sylizar....by saying masterpiece movies i do not mean boring Russian 60's cinema....
where you can watch for 20 minutes on the screen an old man in his small boat fishing in the open sea on a raining day just looking in the water and for the grand finale to scratch his balls....and say ''bad idea to come here with such a weather after all''...credits.
Im talking about really interesting movies with a very good story,script and action too...
but without ''bam! boum!'' every 30 seconds,HUGE plot holes,ridiculous dialogues and uninteresting stories.
Alien is 1 of these ''masterpiece'' movies and its no luck that its one of the few films of its kind that is loved and respected even by the ''best'' critics who dont like the genre.
As for your comment: ''For me, movies are a fun way to escape reality''...
Without any insult the only thing i can say is that i love the cinema and watching movies because
i just love it!..others like sports,others reading books,others fishing,others listening/buying music,others are workaholics ect ect ......I dont do it so to escape reality as you do lol....
thats why i dont blame you,for your lack of good judgment on movies.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 05, 2011, 11:02:07 PM
not a direct plot lift.
Oh, because
Resurrection was
totally Alien, plot bit for plot bit, obviously more than
Aliens! How could I be so blind?!
I realize 'pulling a Valaquen' is hard, but yeah. Try something else.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 06, 2011, 02:09:19 AM
How old are you?
This is the typical "you're young, so x, y and z" card hardcore fans pull out when there's few else to grip on. Age has f**k all to do with the fact someone likes a film - Taste and
individuality is where one's really at.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 05, 2011, 11:40:57 PM
Even Omega will you tell that AR was a black comedy take.
Hah! As far as the theatrical cut goes, there was only one moment I'd define as such, and that is when Perez has a look at his brains, which is one of the few things that draws
Resurrection back for me. But... failed clones and Newborn? Black comedy?
Notice I said 'theatrical cut'. The extended cut has an opening which I really question the sense of. It's idiotic. Not in case I think they removed it (I clearly remember Jeunet or someone else saying that they changed it in the final theatrical cut because "it set up the wrong mood for the film", and they were all kinds of right).
For the rest, the film's all serious as
Alien3 - Switch Andrews & the prisoners with Perez & the Pirates, and you've got a similar mood.
Quote from: Remonster on Feb 06, 2011, 04:32:19 AM
Am i the only person that doesn't like what Aliens changed about the creature? Now they only seem threatening when there are dozens of them.
Agreed. Camerons take on the alien franchise kinda ruined the alien species for me tbh. Like you said it went from this creature that looked like it could think and act based on the situation whereas camerons aliens tended to just throw themselves in the way of the bullets which makes them nothing more than a target for people to shoot at.
The whole cacoon scene from alien is alot more ALIEN than this hive system that was introduced into the second movie. It went from creepy to plain.
Saying that Aliens is a good movie and alot better than the later moveis.
In all honestly i don't see why people hate alien 3 so much. I quite liked it. Its got a good tone, look and feel to the movie which i thought was lost in aliens. I foud it quite dark and alot more creepier/scarier than the second film.
I'm 22 and i watched them somewhat out of order. Aliens, alien 3, alien alien resurrection. As a film alien:R could prob work on its own with no ties to the previous films. but as part of the franchise. Worse one created.
I still love the first and wil always think its the best. But i love the older film. Alien, The thing and all them because back then it was about a good story. These days its about a story with decent visual effects. they always seem to be fast pasted aswell. Everyhitng has to happen straight awya which imo is shit.
Quote from: locusta on Feb 06, 2011, 06:39:24 AM
To get the thread back to topic and away from another useless A:R (se) ;) discussion, look over at the http://www.alienprequelnews.com/ (http://www.alienprequelnews.com/)
Quite interesting, Halon Entertainment one of the leading companies in the previsualisation of effects- and CG heavy movies are on board as stated.
When you look their page, please keep in mind that they don´t do final CG for the movies, but they provide the Director as well the Editor and CG-Artists with information, a former storyboard never could have achieved.
The fact, they joined, proves even more how CG heavy "Prometheus" will be.
Thats not true a all. You can't make a judgment on how much CG will be in a film by what effects company has join production. It never works like that. They may only be providing the pre-vis for the film and nothing more. They may only be providing camera tracking for set extensions. You can't say its going to be CG heavy when theres nothing to go off for that.
Their main focus judging by the website is pre-vis. Pre-vis is used in alot of films these days that include no CGI. As its a better way of showing the pass of a scene.
nendo, you can edit your former post instead of doing a new one straight.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 06, 2011, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 05, 2011, 11:02:07 PM
not a direct plot lift.
Oh, because Resurrection was totally Alien, plot bit for plot bit, obviously more than Aliens! How could I be so blind?!
I realize 'pulling a Valaquen' is hard, but yeah. Try something else.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 06, 2011, 02:09:19 AM
How old are you?
This is the typical "you're young, so x, y and z" card hardcore fans pull out when there's few else to grip on. Age has f**k all to do with the fact someone likes a film - Taste and individuality is where one's really at.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 05, 2011, 11:40:57 PM
Even Omega will you tell that AR was a black comedy take.
Hah! As far as the theatrical cut goes, there was only one moment I'd define as such, and that is when Perez has a look at his brains, which is one of the few things that draws Resurrection back for me. But... failed clones and Newborn? Black comedy?
Notice I said 'theatrical cut'. The extended cut has an opening which I really question the sense of. It's idiotic. Not in case I think they removed it (I clearly remember Jeunet or someone else saying that they changed it in the final theatrical cut because "it set up the wrong mood for the film", and they were all kinds of right).
For the rest, the film's all serious as Alien3 - Switch Andrews & the prisoners with Perez & the Pirates, and you've got a similar mood.
Don't leave out A:R Bullet bouncing off the pipes head shot. That was IMO retarded.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 06, 2011, 01:09:58 PM
I realize 'pulling a Valaquen' is hard, but yeah. Try something else.
:laugh: I hope that's a compliment.
QuoteHah! As far as the theatrical cut goes, there was only one moment I'd define as such, and that is when Perez has a look at his brains, which is one of the few things that draws Resurrection back for me. But... failed clones and Newborn? Black comedy?
Notice I said 'theatrical cut'. The extended cut has an opening which I really question the sense of. It's idiotic. Not in case I think they removed it (I clearly remember Jeunet or someone else saying that they changed it in the final theatrical cut because "it set up the wrong mood for the film", and they were all kinds of right).
For the rest, the film's all serious as Alien3 - Switch Andrews & the prisoners with Perez & the Pirates, and you've got a similar mood.
I'm sure you've said it before. That's why I made such a bold claim :D I do disagree, but hey, what's a disagreement?!
Quote from: nendo on Feb 06, 2011, 01:25:25 PM
Agreed. Camerons take on the alien franchise kinda ruined the alien species for me tbh. Like you said it went from this creature that looked like it could think and act based on the situation whereas camerons aliens tended to just throw themselves in the way of the bullets which makes them nothing more than a target for people to shoot at.
The whole cacoon scene from alien is alot more ALIEN than this hive system that was introduced into the second movie. It went from creepy to plain.
Yes, I hated the Aliens disarming, ambushing, and annihilating the Marines. That was dumb. [By the by, Ridley identified the Alien lair from the original as its 'nest' and 'hive.' So semantics aside, I suppose you just don't like the idea of an egg-layer. I agree with Ridley on this one, it was 'a very good idea.']
I'm 35, and grew up watching films like Hitchcocks masterpiece Vertigo, Rear Window, Mrs. Miniver, the films of Frank Capra, A Street Car Named Desire, Days of Wine and Roses to name a few. These films take patience to watch unfold, the same kind of patience ALIEN takes to watch or more recent films like the flawless, There Will Be Blood, No Country For Old Men, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon and so on.
AR wasn't a mess purely because of the story and dialogue (although mostly) also because the film was trying to emulate the success of past films by using their formula as opposed to trying to make a better story work on it's own.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 06, 2011, 04:14:35 PM
Yes, I hated the Aliens disarming, ambushing, and annihilating the Marines. That was dumb. [By the by, Ridley identified the Alien lair from the original as its 'nest' and 'hive.' So semantics aside, I suppose you just don't like the idea of an egg-layer. I agree with Ridley on this one, it was 'a very good idea.']
Can't realy tell if your being sarcastic or not tbh. But liking/hating whatever film for whatever reason is my personal opinion. And yes i do think how they are shown in the second film was dumb and was made into an action film compaired to the first. For me atleast in the second film there was no scare factor, just when is the next gun fight going to be.
Ridley may of said that off camera but when i watched it was never realy shown in the film to have a hive like system in place (in the first film).
But just because Ridley said it off camera doesn't mean I have to accept it as being part of the first film as for me it wasn't shown. He can say what he likes after making it but if its not on screen for me then it doesn't mean i then have to then apply it to the film i've created an opinion on already.
So you'd prefer it if Aliens (sorry, make that Alien 2) was another horror movie sequel that failed to live up to the legacy of the original? It's like O'Bannon said, there was nowhere else to go with the concept. The only way to make the creature fresh and different the second time around was to put it in an action movie.
Alien, as a film, permenantly sandbagged the horror/monster movie genre; a mediocre knockoff would be an insult to its legacy. And we got plenty of those mediocre knockoffs after Aliens.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 06, 2011, 05:42:45 PM
So you'd prefer it if Aliens (sorry, make that Alien 2) was another horror movie sequel that failed to live up to the legacy of the original? It's like O'Bannon said, there was nowhere else to go with the concept. The only way to make the creature fresh and different the second time around was to put it in an action movie.
Alien, as a film, permenantly sandbagged the horror/monster movie genre; a mediocre knockoff would be an insult to its legacy. And we got plenty of those mediocre knockoffs after Aliens.
don't get me wrong i'm no way saying Aliens was a bad film. I enjoy watching it and think its one of my all time fav films.
I'm not saying they should of just redone the first film for a sequel. I'm just saying it could of had more tension building moments in it like the first film had and also could of done something abit more original than a hive system u see everyday on earth. Atleast with the cocoon scene is was something abit fresh and exciting where as a hive system is like. Oh...Bees.
plus they had so much to explore from the first film that some of it was completly ignore. For example the space jockey. The ship, Origins etc. Just seems alot of this protential story was ignored simply to cash in on an action film
Like i said. Thats my opinion
The entire first hour is spent on building and building. After the dropship crashes it builds again all the way to the Aliens infiltrating Operations. Then Ripley escaping. No tension? My knuckles were white. Everything about the Alien is derived from strange things on Earth. Fact can be stranger than fiction, in fact, all fiction is derived from it, [like Descartes said, no painter can paint anything, no matter how odd the amalgamation, that isn't already present in his reality]. It's really up to Ridley and Giger to explore the Jockey, I reckon.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 06, 2011, 04:14:35 PM
:laugh: I hope that's a compliment.
It is. ;)
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 06, 2011, 04:14:35 PM
what's a disagreement?!
one of those wonderful things that draws the world back from being
boring. :)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 06, 2011, 04:42:19 PM
I'm 35,
Aaaaand who cares, exactly? You tell me. You could be 27, 42, or X+2Y², I couldn't give
less of a shit.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 06, 2011, 04:42:19 PM
by using their formula as opposed to trying to make a better story work on it's own.
Precisely what
Aliens and
Alien3 did. Resurrection was involved around the Resurrection of Ripley and the dangers of genetical engineering. None of the precedent films deal with clonation. None of the precedent films deal with an android that is more human than humans.
Et cetera.
Not a single weapon is fired until an hour into Aliens. Hardly a conventional action film.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 06, 2011, 05:42:45 PM
So you'd prefer it if Aliens (sorry, make that Alien 2) was another horror movie sequel that failed to live up to the legacy of the original? It's like O'Bannon said, there was nowhere else to go with the concept. The only way to make the creature fresh and different the second time around was to put it in an action movie.
Alien, as a film, permenantly sandbagged the horror/monster movie genre; a mediocre knockoff would be an insult to its legacy. And we got plenty of those mediocre knockoffs after Aliens.
Something tells me that by fresh and different, he didn't quite mean generic and stupid. Which is exactly what the Alien was turned into.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 06, 2011, 06:30:49 PM
Not a single weapon is fired until an hour into Aliens. Hardly a conventional action film.
And one of it's biggest action sequences is outmatched by Alien 3 for explosions and mayhem. Aliens Operations attack explosions: 3. Alien 3 tunnel fail: 19 to my count. Could even be more.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 06, 2011, 06:34:42 PM
Something tells me that by fresh and different, he didn't quite mean generic and stupid. Which is exactly what the Alien was turned into.
Explain generic and stupid, rather than making declarative statements. It helps.
The Alien became a screaming space bug. It became something that Ridley didn't intend for.
Doesn't surprise me considering Cameron could never write something original anyway.
I wonder how much 'screaming space bugs' we've seen in a film before Aliens.
Can I say I remember practically none? Not even one? It's not like the Aliens act like a Moon calf.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FFqFnlaIEUw4%2F0.jpg&hash=06c25491285455238e6fc8f48538f075be302c7f)
The idea was original at the time. There was nothing like the Aliens before them and their 'screaming space bug' attitude.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 06, 2011, 06:49:44 PM
The Alien became a screaming space bug. It became something that Ridley didn't intend for.
'What gave us the coccoon concept was that insects will utilise others' bodies to be the host of their eggs. That's how the Alien would use Dallas and each of the crew it kills ... It wants to use each person as a separate host each time it has new eggs.'
Ridley Scott, interview with Danny Peary, 1984
'[W]e decided it would be a good idea to have these [Alien] eggs inside the derelict like termites inside the walls of a house.'
HR Giger.
'[W]e had to combine the derelict ship and the hatchery silo. I thought we could place the egg silo under the ship, a bit like termites do.'
HR Giger.
Now [Ripley's] on her own ... and so she stumbles into that room, which is the landing leg room, and finds this hive. [It's] the nest. She finds the bodies [of Brett and Dallas] and Harry [Brett] is gone ... and Skerritt is already half-gone, but he's still alive. He is really the host for the insect, which is the Alien. '
Ridley Scott, Interview with Don Shay, Alien laserdisc.
'People have read all kinds of things into it that we didn't intend, not even subconsciously. But there was one thing we did do. It was our idea that it would be the life-cycle of an insect. The way a wasp will sting a spider, paralyze it, and lay its eggs in the spider; its eggs grow off the living spider, like a surrogate mother. That we did want it to be. We didn't want it to be a human mated with an alien and a hybrid. We thought people might pick up on it and say, "Yeah, an alien life-cycle can be like an insect life-cycle."'
Ron Shusset, Executing the Alien.
'It's like a rather beautiful, humanoid, biomechanoid insect.'
Ridley Scott on Giger's Alien design.
'There are insects like that [androgynous, asexual], so we based that on a little bit of good old Mother Nature.'
Ridley Scott, 2003 Alien commentary.Yes, no-one involved in Alien, not even Ridley, intended no analogues or comparisons to insects. In fact, he was so incensed that Cameron misinterpretated his intentions, that he slammed Aliens, saying:
'It's always a tough job to follow a successful film with a sequel to it ... so what I think James Cameron [did with Aliens] was an excellent action picture. It really was amazing what he accomplished.'
Ridley Scott, Aliens: Illustrated Screenplay.[And for anyone who likes to chastise Cameron for this interpretation, don't forget Fincher, who actually had a character onscreen point to the Alien and cry, "I hate bugs!"
'We wanted the creature to walk on the ceilings and really sell the idea that this thing is a bug from outer space.'
David Fincher, Alien: The Special Effects.]
The Alien behaviour is derived from insects. That's all there is to it. This is buffeted by the actual design of the creature, which was diluted in further sequels. The line begins to blur when the sequels line the creatures up to be mown down [AVPR] or the EU material screams 'bugs!' at their every appearance.
QuoteDoesn't surprise me considering Cameron could never write something original anyway.
Sure.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 06, 2011, 06:58:52 PM
I wonder how much 'screaming space bugs' we've seen in a film before Aliens.
Can I say I remember practically none? Not even one? It's not like the Aliens act like a Moon calf.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FqFnlaIEUw4/0.jpg
The idea was original at the time. There was nothing like the Aliens before them and their 'screaming space bug' attitude.
That's exactly my point. The Alien was a very unique creature and was something that no one had ever seen before. It had a new look to it, behaved in a very odd manner, and was just plain scary. Cameron did the exact the opposite and made it into every space alien we've seen a hundred times before.
I don't normally do this, but SiL said it best in an older thread. He makes the point rather clear.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 07, 2008, 01:01:13 AM
In 1979, we had a psychosexual biomechanical nightmare the likes of which the world had never seen. We had something that was alien. Incomprehensible. It acted in mysterious ways, you couldn't pin a behaviour on it. Its mannerisms and actions were a perversion of humanity and nature. There's even implied rape, or at the very least, some form of horrific mutilation never seen since.
In 1986, oh wait, it's a giant f**king termite.
The Alien's personality was completely changed. It went from dark and mysterious, to a terrestrial insect on steroids. It went from something creepy and unknown, to cannon fodder. It became the ants from Them!. It became the freakin' antithesis of what the original filmmakers had set out to achieve. Where once they tried to make something unique, Cameron set out to make something mundane and derivative.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 06, 2011, 07:16:43 PM
That's exactly my point. The Alien was a very unique creature and was something that no one had ever seen before. It had a new look to it, behaved in a very odd manner, and was just plain scary. Cameron did the exact the opposite and made it into every space alien we've seen a hundred times before.
I don't normally do this, but SiL said it best in an older thread. He makes the point rather clear.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 07, 2008, 01:01:13 AM
In 1979, we had a psychosexual biomechanical nightmare the likes of which the world had never seen. We had something that was alien. Incomprehensible. It acted in mysterious ways, you couldn't pin a behaviour on it. Its mannerisms and actions were a perversion of humanity and nature. There's even implied rape, or at the very least, some form of horrific mutilation never seen since.
In 1986, oh wait, it's a giant f**king termite.
The Alien's personality was completely changed. It went from dark and mysterious, to a terrestrial insect on steroids. It went from something creepy and unknown, to cannon fodder. It became the ants from Them!. It became the freakin' antithesis of what the original filmmakers had set out to achieve. Where once they tried to make something unique, Cameron set out to make something mundane and derivative.
If they didn't want to explore the creature further, then don't make a sequel, which was gonna be done regardless [with marines and loadsa Aliens a Giler/Hill mandate, by the by]. If they wanted another singular floating Alien, then remake or create a derivative sequel to the first. If you go to see a
sequel to a film you're either going to get an exploration of the wider universe or a derivative rehash [and being a sequel, you should be well aware of what you're paying for]. Egg-morph aside, Cameron followed on from what his predeccesors set down, and every single one of them to a T was pleased with what he done. Any '
bah! the Alien's been disrespected!' feelings come solely from fans and honestly, I care more for the feelings of the film-makers than for the sea of subjectivism and ignorance you can find in fan-circles.
'I was stuck on one point; once they got the thing on the spaceship, I wanted to avoid the cliche of bullets bouncing off of it: the indestructible monster, I mean, that's the ancient cliche, right? "You can't stop it, bullets won't stop it." Not at all. I wanted the thing to be, in every respect, a natural animal, which means, yes, if you shoot it, it'll die.'
Dan O'Bannon.'Once I had gotten the Alien inside the ship, I encountered a narrative problem, namely, why didn't they just kill the thing? ... Generations of writers before me had resorted to, "Bullets won't stop it!" which is, of course, the big gest groaner of all time. Bullets will stop anything ... Though deadly, the critter was as vulnerable as any other animal to having holes drilled in it.'
Dan O'Bannon.Remembering of course, that the original Alien screamed like a bitch when sprayed by hot air in the Narcissus and was blasted by a speargun. I reckon high velocity, caseless, 1200RPM death dealers will leave a scratch.
EDIT: I think that, in the wake of Halo and the Starship Troopers movie, may here have either forgotten or are too young to recall that space marines vs a horde of vicious Aliens had rarely, if ever, been put to film before.
Without wanting to get into a pointless slanging match about Aliens, I'd just say that there is a lot of implied stuff in Alien that could have made for a very interesting second story without it being a clone-like rehash. It might have been action, or it might have been horror and suspense, either could have worked. But to me Aliens always felt like it was taking the easy route, dismissing some of the more interesting ideas (that were known, even if cut from Alien) and so becoming part of that 80's bandwagon of action movies. Of it's type it is undoubtedly one of the landmark movies of that era but I personally find it too 'safe'. It's not really the tone of the film that bothers me, it does have a build up and atmosphere, but ultimately it seems to me to fashion the alien creatures into a characterless threat, there's no sense of inherent sadism or horror in them as there was before. As an action film Aliens does everything it can possibly do in retelling the story on a plural level, but ultimately there's not that much to it. Two things really hold sway in the film; hardware (guns predominantly) and the mother/child analogy. Both of which make me cringe a bit personally. It sets out its stall and it closes the story, but all the most interesting threads from Alien are largely ignored. In their place is pretty much the structure and denouement of the original film for 80's action sensibilities.
It works, it's perfectly serviceable, it can't be criticised for incompetence and I wouldn't have the arrogance to tell people who like it that they are wrong, but yeah, my problem is that it feels too safe.
In the intervening years between 79 and 86 when thoughts of where this story could go occasionally occupied my thoughts, I must admit I never saw Ripley as an essential element. She was a survivor by chance, so I think that perhaps a big part of my problem with the sequels is Ripley. Her inclusion in Aliens follows reasonable logic, as it does for Alien 3, but I think the whole franchise is bogged down in her character.
It's one of the reasons I remain excited by Prometheus. Potentially it could be everything that the sequels aren't. A whole different take on the Alien universe that has a grander scale than humans vs 'xenos'. It'll be interesting to see whether (assuming the connections are strong) Ridley takes any elements at all from the sequels, or simply ignores them in favour of setting up the back story to events before the Nostromo. I think it's possible to do that without destroying continuity (AVP aside).
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Feb 05, 2011, 11:57:53 PM
I saw the movies in this order:
Alien, Aliens, Alien3, Alien R, I saw them in succession. Alien 3, though, only saw it once by the time I watch Alien R (I HATE Alien 3).
have you tried the assembly/"director's" cut? it's a significantly better movie.
Quote from: Remonster on Feb 06, 2011, 04:32:19 AM
Am i the only person that doesn't like what Aliens changed about the creature? Now they only seem threatening when there are dozens of them.
to be fair, everything's a whole lot less frightening when you're carrying an m41a pulse rifle.
Quote from: Remonster on Feb 06, 2011, 04:45:32 AMYeah, I watch it all the time. And the alien wasn't throwing itself at them with reckless abandon, and It actually seemed to be able to think for itself instead of just being some brainless bug.
i kind of get where that comes from, but keep in mind that they employ diversionary tactics, apparently have a working knowledge of the station's electrical systems, and effectively eliminate an entire team of highly trained and armed marine corps with only their teeth and claws.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 06, 2011, 05:54:27 AM
Bitching about making them act like insects, and have an insectile social structure, on the other hand, is entirely valid.
agreed. even if we were to carry the early insect analogies to their extreme, there are still
solitary insects. not all insects operate in a hive, or employ the use extreme gender dimorphism/haplo-diploid reproduction (queen/worker/males). it may not have come completely from left field, but it's still a change. one that works well enough that i don't really whine about what horrible things james cameron did. it's a good movie, so, whatever. i prefer the original reproductive cycle, but the queen doesn't come completely as a surprise.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 06, 2011, 05:42:45 PM
So you'd prefer it if Aliens (sorry, make that Alien 2) was another horror movie sequel that failed to live up to the legacy of the original? It's like O'Bannon said, there was nowhere else to go with the concept. The only way to make the creature fresh and different the second time around was to put it in an action movie.
Alien, as a film, permenantly sandbagged the horror/monster movie genre; a mediocre knockoff would be an insult to its legacy. And we got plenty of those mediocre knockoffs after Aliens.
agreed with this entirely. and i hope prometheus is different still.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 06, 2011, 06:30:13 PM
Precisely what Aliens and Alien3 did. Resurrection was involved around the Resurrection of Ripley and the dangers of genetical engineering. None of the precedent films deal with clonation. None of the precedent films deal with an android that is more human than humans. Et cetera.
true. but it still wasn't a very good film.
As per sadism, the abduction of 150 men, women and children who all suffer a lonely, helpless, embedded-in-the-walls Kane fate is pretty horrific to me. It makes the quick slaughter of the Nostromo crew, as per the original cut, seem like a mercy. The apparent ideas floating around the Alien 2 in the early 80's was a prequel, a film following the Alien tailing Ripley to Earth, the planetoid exploding and sending spore into space, or a film about another group of visitors who have to face a horde of Aliens. I feel that we got the better deal, saw the Aliens tackle and defeat a highly armed military enemy, got a nice expansion to their life-cycle [that Scott through to Giger loved]. I am excited about Prometheus, it's the right way to tackle yet another Alien film, if it is so.
People who are a bit more action fans love aliens more than alien...its just that simple.
Both films are EPIC...i love aliens too i just like 0.0001% more the first alien movie.
The only thing that i didnt like is how easy the aliens were killed at the 2nd movie.
Made the alien creatures to look less frightening and badass in my mind.
To be honest i was scared more of the facehugger scenes than the ones with the alien creatures.
But i guess Cameron couldn't do differently since this was the way he wanted to go.
*alien3 ''treated'' the alien creature better,made you feel more scared whenever it appeared...but wasnt as good movie as the other 2.
Quote from: prodigy211 on Feb 06, 2011, 08:22:39 PM
People who are a bit more action fans love aliens more than alien...its just that simple.
Both films are EPIC...i love aliens too i just like 0.0001% the first alien movie.
The only thing that i didnt like is how easy the aliens were killed at the 2nd movie.
Made the alien creatures to look less frightening and badass in my mind.
To be honest i was scared more of the facehugger scenes than the ones with the alien creatures.
But i guess Cameron couldn't do differently since this was the way he wanted to go.
You know that there are actually people who complain that the Marines are wiped out too easily? Well, you can't please everyone...
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 06, 2011, 08:27:23 PM
Quote from: prodigy211 on Feb 06, 2011, 08:22:39 PM
People who are a bit more action fans love aliens more than alien...its just that simple.
Both films are EPIC...i love aliens too i just like 0.0001% the first alien movie.
The only thing that i didnt like is how easy the aliens were killed at the 2nd movie.
Made the alien creatures to look less frightening and badass in my mind.
To be honest i was scared more of the facehugger scenes than the ones with the alien creatures.
But i guess Cameron couldn't do differently since this was the way he wanted to go.
You know that there are actually people who complain that the Marines are wiped out too easily? Well, you can't please everyone...
come on man...you know what i mean....the 1st film made you feel that the alien is invincible and not just an animal as in the 2nd one....i think you know what im trying to say.
As for the marines i think that its good they died so fast....made you feel shocked,made you feel they are in a desperate situation.
Quote from: prodigy211 on Feb 06, 2011, 08:29:48 PM
come on man...you know what i mean....the 1st film made you feel that the alien is invincible and not just an animal as in the 2nd one....i think you know what im trying to say.
As for the marines i think that its good they died so fast....made you feel shocked,made you feel they are in a desperate situation.
Of course I know what you mean, just showing the silly dichotomy between some groups. Never saw the original Alien as invincible, it screamed and panicked when hit by gas and was bitch-speared out the rear of the ship. O'Bannon meant for it to be a 'natural animal', the entire reason it was given acid blood was to dissuade people from shooting and killing it, otherwise, they would have simply had it as out-right unkillable, which he thought to be shlocky. Agree, the Marines are in a desperate situation and get their asses handed to them because of the Aliens' ingenuity and ability to overcome obstacles. But really, take the Aliens and compare them to any battle scene in an epic movie, Kingdom of Heaven, Braveheart etc - there isn't a single human in these films who doesn't stop on the battlefield and say, "Shit, these enemies have weapons that can hurt me. I'm pretty stupid for doing this." Historically speaking, I don't think there's been many battles where one combatant hasn't engaged another without the full knowledge that he can be harmed or killed in return. Considering the rarity of no-tech combatants outright defeating armed enemies, I'd consider the fact that the Aliens did quite well [and that's ignoring the fact that they initially opt for subterfuge and stealth when advancing in Operations].
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Quote from: prodigy211 on Feb 06, 2011, 08:29:48 PM
come on man...you know what i mean....the 1st film made you feel that the alien is invincible and not just an animal as in the 2nd one....i think you know what im trying to say.
As for the marines i think that its good they died so fast....made you feel shocked,made you feel they are in a desperate situation.
Of course I know what you mean, just showing the silly dichotomy between some groups. Never saw the original Alien as invincible, it screamed and panicked when hit by gas and was bitch-speared out the rear of the ship. O'Bannon meant for it to be a 'natural animal', the entire reason it was given acid blood was to dissuade people from shooting and killing it, otherwise, they would have simply had it as out-right unkillable, which he thought to be shlocky. Agree, the Marines are in a desperate situation and get their asses handed to them because of the Aliens' ingenuity and ability to overcome obstacles.
Well yes but Aliens made you understand that with a simple rifle you could easily kill 5-6 aliens if you had a clear shot.....
btw i dont like the fact Ripley in the scene were she meets the queen kills 3-4 aliens so easy.
I know its a small detail but i saw the movie just recently and just remembered it.
Quote from: prodigy211 on Feb 06, 2011, 08:41:12 PM
Well yes but Aliens made you understand that with a simple rifle you could easily kill 5-6 aliens if you had a clear shot.....
btw i dont like the fact Ripley in the scene were she meets the queen kills 3-4 aliens so easy.
I know its a small detail but i saw the movie just recently and just remembered it.
So you take out a few Aliens, so what? O'Bannon already said [as I quoted on the last page] that the Alien was never intended to be invincible or unstoppable. The rest make sure you get impregnated regardless. That's what happends in war. There are losses on both sides, but the victor is still a victor. Were you annoyed when Ripley blew the Alien away with a speargun? Anyone can take a weapon and blow away someone stronger and faster than them, but that doesn't make the target any weaker than the shooter. And again, considering that the Aliens overcame their limitations and annihilate the marines ...
Quote from: prodigy211 on Feb 06, 2011, 08:41:12 PM
Well yes but Aliens made you understand that with a simple rifle you could easily kill 5-6 aliens if you had a clear shot.....
And you'll
still die like a bitch, in unspeakable agony, with your forehead cored out. That is, unless you swallow a grenade first or happen to be the protagonist of a major film franchise.
Guys hold your horses i love the movie aliens almost the same as the first one....but dont tell me you were frightened the same way each time an alien appeared like the way you were in the 1 movie each time Kane's son appeared.
Of course not. Because Alien and Aliens are two completely different types of films. To rate Aliens based on the fright factor is about as fair as rating Alien based on how many 'f**k yeah' moments there were. It does them both a disservice.
Quote from: prodigy211 on Feb 06, 2011, 08:51:53 PM
Guys hold your horses i love the movie aliens almost the same as the first one....but dont tell me you were frightened the same way each time an alien appeared like the way you were in the 1 movie each time Kane's son appeared.
We're not meaning to accuse you of disliking it, but, I don't know about Sticks, but I feel that the whole 'but Aliens die!' attitude to be silly. And Aliens had my knuckles white, what's
not so terrifying about a relentless wall of death that gets over your head and under your feet; that can't be deterred by firepower and will wreak the most horrific death upon you imaginable where you play the part of a living womb? Kane's Son was a slower, graceful being because he had the oppurtunity to be so. Had the Aliens in the sequel acted in a such a way then then they wouldn't have gotten past the colonists, nevermind the marines. Again, it's the themes of the two movies; curious, Lovecraftian horror and heart-shattering terror, [though I've seen Ridley twice deny that Alien was horror, and was instead a 'terror' film]. You can't apply one to the other and I'd hate to see one of the two rehashed in any way. In with Prometheus, I say. it's about time.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 06, 2011, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 06, 2011, 07:16:43 PM
That's exactly my point. The Alien was a very unique creature and was something that no one had ever seen before. It had a new look to it, behaved in a very odd manner, and was just plain scary. Cameron did the exact the opposite and made it into every space alien we've seen a hundred times before.
I don't normally do this, but SiL said it best in an older thread. He makes the point rather clear.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 07, 2008, 01:01:13 AM
In 1979, we had a psychosexual biomechanical nightmare the likes of which the world had never seen. We had something that was alien. Incomprehensible. It acted in mysterious ways, you couldn't pin a behaviour on it. Its mannerisms and actions were a perversion of humanity and nature. There's even implied rape, or at the very least, some form of horrific mutilation never seen since.
In 1986, oh wait, it's a giant f**king termite.
The Alien's personality was completely changed. It went from dark and mysterious, to a terrestrial insect on steroids. It went from something creepy and unknown, to cannon fodder. It became the ants from Them!. It became the freakin' antithesis of what the original filmmakers had set out to achieve. Where once they tried to make something unique, Cameron set out to make something mundane and derivative.
If they didn't want to explore the creature further, then don't make a sequel, which was gonna be done regardless [with marines and loadsa Aliens a Giler/Hill mandate, by the by]. If they wanted another singular floating Alien, then remake or create a derivative sequel to the first. If you go to see a sequel to a film you're either going to get an exploration of the wider universe or a derivative rehash [and being a sequel, you should be well aware of what you're paying for]. Egg-morph aside, Cameron followed on from what his predeccesors set down, and every single one of them to a T was pleased with what he done. Any 'bah! the Alien's been disrespected!' feelings come solely from fans and honestly, I care more for the feelings of the film-makers than for the sea of subjectivism and ignorance you can find in fan-circles.
'I was stuck on one point; once they got the thing on the spaceship, I wanted to avoid the cliche of bullets bouncing off of it: the indestructible monster, I mean, that's the ancient cliche, right? "You can't stop it, bullets won't stop it." Not at all. I wanted the thing to be, in every respect, a natural animal, which means, yes, if you shoot it, it'll die.'
Dan O'Bannon.
'Once I had gotten the Alien inside the ship, I encountered a narrative problem, namely, why didn't they just kill the thing? ... Generations of writers before me had resorted to, "Bullets won't stop it!" which is, of course, the big gest groaner of all time. Bullets will stop anything ... Though deadly, the critter was as vulnerable as any other animal to having holes drilled in it.'
Dan O'Bannon.
Remembering of course, that the original Alien screamed like a bitch when sprayed by hot air in the Narcissus and was blasted by a speargun. I reckon high velocity, caseless, 1200RPM death dealers will leave a scratch.
EDIT: I think that, in the wake of Halo and the Starship Troopers movie, may here have either forgotten or are too young to recall that space marines vs a horde of vicious Aliens had rarely, if ever, been put to film before.
I think you're misreading fans' frustration. No one's saying the Alien is invincible or invulnerable to conventional forms of dying. The problem was that in Aliens, the creature started to behave in a manner that wasn't consistent with the mystery we got in the first film. It just became a generic space monster like the ones before it.
The reason they couldn't kill it on the Nostromo was simply because the crew didn't really have the means to. Why would a mining ship have firearms?
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 06, 2011, 08:57:11 PM
We're not meaning to accuse you of disliking it, but, I don't know about Sticks, but I feel that the whole 'but Aliens die!' attitude to be silly. And Aliens had my knuckles white, what's not so terrifying about a relentless wall of death that gets over your head and under your feet; that can't be deterred by firepower and will wreak the most horrific death upon you imaginable where you play the part of a living womb? Kane's Son was a slower, graceful being because he had the oppurtunity to be so. Had the Aliens in the sequel acted in a such a way then then they wouldn't have gotten past the colonists, nevermind the marines. Again, it's the themes of the two movies; curious, Lovecraftian horror and heart-shattering terror, [though I've seen Ridley twice deny that Alien was horror, and was instead a 'terror' film]. You can't apply one to the other and I'd hate to see one of the two rehashed in any way. In with Prometheus, I say. it's about time.
Trust me Val, I'm with you on every point.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 06, 2011, 08:59:35 PM
The reason they couldn't kill it on the Nostromo was simply because the crew didn't really have the means to. Why would a mining ship have firearms?
They
did have guns. They show up in a couple scenes on the table, and in production photos. They were just smart enough not to use them.
That was the whole point of acid for blood.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 06, 2011, 09:00:13 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 06, 2011, 08:59:35 PM
The reason they couldn't kill it on the Nostromo was simply because the crew didn't really have the means to. Why would a mining ship have firearms?
They did have guns. They show up in a couple scenes on the table, and in production photos. They were just smart enough not to use them.
That was the whole point of acid for blood.
Yup, the Nostromo crew did have guns. Kanes wields one in a cut scene in the egg silo. I have a photo of their guns somewhere.
EDIT: Guns!
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I know it might be implied that the aliens overcome obstacles to defeat the marines but last time I watched Aliens I was struck that it's really the marines incompetence that's their downfall. The ill disciplined amongst them take inappropriate weapons into the cocoon/reactor area, start blasting indiscriminately, spraying acid over their colleagues and getting blown up by their own grenades. Later when they think they've sealed themselves in the colony they forget about the crawlspace in the ceiling. It all makes for effective set pieces, and is probably not far from reality if a bunch of cocky marines found themselves facing a perceived less advanced foe (hence the Vietnam analogies), but I'm not convinced it makes the aliens look like they have some unfathomable intelligence behind their motives.
And in truth it's probably only the attack on Lambert, and mystery of the Space Jockey that hints at an underlying intelligence in the original film. Plus Ash's final remarks in the novelisation. But these few things seem to make a huge difference in perception. To me at least.
Also, just interpretation choices. Aliens springing through the air don't look as terrifying as that slow glide towards Lambert.
It's very hard to put it down to one thing, it's not just the bug/queen debate, all I know is that there is something in the Aliens interpretation that hasn't captured the essence of Kane's Son. Maybe it's as simple as the fact that Kane's Son had a fizzing sound, like it brought the air alive with menace and a mounting tension that had to snap.
Im not trying to argue about the alien physiology or how powerful they are ect.
Im just saying from a movie viewer perspective who knows nothing about the creature.
Of course now i know all about the alien universe,i play the games,read ect.
But try to imagine a guy that knows nothing.
Im sure he will get the idea too that the alien creatures in alien 2 seem a little bit less menacing than the 1st alien
not because they are not badass or strong but because of the script they face trained marines with guns.
In the 1st movie everytime the alien appeared you were like ''OMG THEY ARE f**kED''
but in aliens it was their number that made you feel the marines are f**ked.
I cant explain it otherwise...i know these are 2 different movies but thats Cameron's choice to go from horror to horror-action.
I just try to say how the alien is been viewed in each movie.
***i respect you both guys i just state my opinion
Quote from: Gash on Feb 06, 2011, 09:07:31 PM
I know it might be implied that the aliens overcome obstacles to defeat the marines but last time I watched Aliens I was struck that it's really the marines incompetence that's their downfall. The ill disciplined amongst them take inappropriate weapons into the cocoon/reactor area, start blasting indiscriminately, spraying acid over their colleagues and getting blown up by their own grenades. Later when they think they've sealed themselves in the colony they forget about the crawlspace in the ceiling. It all makes for effective set pieces, and is probably not far from reality if a bunch of cocky marines found themselves facing a perceived less advanced foe (hence the Vietnam analogies), but I'm not convinced it makes the aliens look like they have some unfathomable intelligence behind their motives.
And in truth it's probably only the attack on Lambert, and mystery of the Space Jockey that hints at an underlying intelligence in the original film. Plus Ash's final remarks in the novelisation. But these few things seem to make a huge difference in perception. To me at least.
Also, just interpretation choices. Aliens springing through the air don't look as terrifying as that slow glide towards Lambert.
It's very hard to put it down to one thing, it's not just the bug/queen debate, all I know is that there is something in the Aliens interpretation that hasn't captured the essence of Kane's Son. Maybe it's a simple as the fact that Kane's Son had a fizzing sound, like it brought the air alive with menace and a mounting tension that had to snap.
I think that's tantamount to saying that Brett/Dallas etc died because they didn't know what they were dealing with. Brett died because he couldn't move his ass out of the way, Dallas because he was [bravely] foolish, Parker and Lambert because they couldn't bring themselves to move, and such. Again that's the horror aspect. They almost literally don't know what they're looking at, and the marines are likewise overconfident. "They're animals, man!" Oh no! They find that out the hard way. Kane's Son did have some excellent sound going on though, the heart beat is a subtle clue to its presence.
Quote from: prodigy211 on Feb 06, 2011, 09:09:14 PM
***i respect you both guys i just state my opinion
Hey, don't worry, we're not attacking you or anything. This is just the heat of cinematic passion you're witnessing.
Quote from: prodigy211 on Feb 06, 2011, 09:09:14 PM
Im not trying to argue about the alien physiology or how powerful they are ect.
Im just saying from a movie viewer perspective who knows nothing about the creature.
Of course now i know all about the alien universe,i play the games,read ect.
But try to imagine a guy that knows nothing.
Im sure he will get the idea too that the alien creatures in alien 2 seem a little bit less menacing than the 1st alien
not because they are not badass or strong but because of the script they face trained marines with guns.
In the 1st movie everytime the alien appeared you were like ''OMG THEY ARE f**kED''
but in aliens it was their number that made you feel the marines are f**ked.
I cant explain it otherwise...i know these are 2 different movies but thats Cameron's choice to go from horror to horror-action.
I just try to say how the alien is been viewed in each movie.
***i respect you both guys i just state my opinion
My girlfriend cried watching Aliens ... but then again [she loves how Alien looks and told me to "f**k" off during the first 5 minutes of Alien 3] :laugh: Yes, this is some heated geek talk, but I don't get to act like this at home :D
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If that's the giant head that pilots Prometheus I'll give up.
I imagined The Head more like this:
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I imagined The Head more like this:
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Quote from: Gash on Feb 06, 2011, 09:27:50 PM
If that's the giant head that pilots Prometheus I'll give up.
That would be priceless.
Quote from: nendo on Feb 06, 2011, 09:39:39 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 06, 2011, 09:30:40 PM
I imagined The Head more like this:
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What da **** is that?
Quote from: Master on Feb 06, 2011, 09:42:07 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 06, 2011, 09:27:50 PM
If that's the giant head that pilots Prometheus I'll give up.
That would be priceless.
Quote from: nendo on Feb 06, 2011, 09:39:39 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 06, 2011, 09:30:40 PM
I imagined The Head more like this:
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What da **** is that?
That be Boe.
John Barrowman gets every bloody where.
???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wvETOeLFaw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wvETOeLFaw#ws)
Quote from: Darkoo on Feb 06, 2011, 10:01:48 PM
???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wvETOeLFaw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wvETOeLFaw#ws)
lol?
I like the little heads in the action figures. Adorkable.
I'll be in Pinewood next week, but I doubt I'll see anything as I'm going to a different production office. You never know though.
Quote from: Gash on Feb 06, 2011, 10:10:29 PM
I'll be in Pinewood next week, but I doubt I'll see anything as I'm going to a different production office. You never know though.
This is an oppurtunity.
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I shall download the track 'factory rescue' from MI3 and play it as I go in, that should get me going. Dashing from skip to skip and infiltrating sound stage B.
If I'm confronted by a hazy Space Jockey cockpit in all it's glory I may well have a heart attack though.
We've got to get you a little Colonial Marine helmet camera so you can beam back footage to our APC.
'If you like that, you're going to love this.'
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haha that actualy made me lol
I'm a little late, but i think I love Valaquen now.
He's such a babe.
True dat.
So...this is an Alien picture?
Quote from: Sylizar on Feb 07, 2011, 12:08:05 AM
I'm a little late, but i think I love Valaquen now.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 07, 2011, 12:12:52 AM
He's such a babe.
That would be me, yes.
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:D
After so many changes and ideas flying,
This choice will be no surprise for me tbh.....
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So does this Shadow-19 scrpt have anything to do with ALIEN, or is it something completely different.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 07, 2011, 09:49:52 AM
That would be me, yes.
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H R Giger???
The stunt coordinator has been added
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0408449/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0408449/)
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 07, 2011, 09:49:52 AM
That would be me, yes.
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It doesn't matter.
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Wow Sounds ineresting!
Noomi Rapace: Elizabeth Shaw is tougher than Salander
According to Swedish newspaper Expressen, Noomi Rapace has been dropping a few tiny hints about her part in Prometheus to Entertainment Weekly.
Rapace says that her role as Elizabeth Shaw will be the most physically demanding ever.
"This role will be tougher than Lisbeth Salander"
Her part as Lisbeth Salander in Stieg Larsson's Millenium series (The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, The Girl Who Played with Fire, The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest) earned her worldwide fame, but she still has a hard time taking in all the fame.
"It's a bit unreal. I'm doing something I would never have dreamed of a year ago"
She adds that Prometheus is ever more demanding than the Millenium series.
"People think Lisbeth Salander was very physical, but there were only a few fighting scenes."
Noomi is now in hard physical training for her part in Prometheus.
"I want to transform my body into something like a cat or a lion. One minute they're resting quietly, and then they can suddenly explode into action. I want to feel like whatever happens I'm prepared"
http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2011/02/noomi-rapace-elizabeth-shaw-is-tougher.html (http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2011/02/noomi-rapace-elizabeth-shaw-is-tougher.html)
Better go super-lean if she wants that kind of agility. We can't all be a Brock Lesnar :P
she'll need to be in shape if she's going to ninja-tackle a cat alien
transform ey? hmmm
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 08, 2011, 03:39:11 PM
Better go super-lean if she wants that kind of agility. We can't all be a Brock Lesnar :P
BROCK LESNAR - the only man who stands a chance against CHUCK NORRIS
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Still Bolo would waste him ;)
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Have people forgotten how Bruce Lee handed Chuck Norris ass to him, along with a fistful of chest hair???? Anyone seen Way of the Dragon/Return of the Dragon?
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Feb 08, 2011, 11:12:56 PM
Have people forgotten how Bruce Lee handed Chuck Norris ass to him, along with a fistful of chest hair???? Anyone seen Way of the Dragon/Return of the Dragon?
No no. Chuck Norris let Bruce Lee win.
why are we going completely off topic ?
^Couldn't agree more.
Quote from: Vulhala on Feb 09, 2011, 01:57:20 PM
^Couldn't agree more.
You can't agree with a question. ;D
you can agree with the tone of a question or the reason for asking it.
People. Topic. Keep on it.
Are we still pretty much in the dark on whether there really will be Aliens in Prometheus?
It's been said there will biomechanical creatures. But they didn't actually say Alien capital A, as far as I know.
What has chuck norris and bruce lee got to do with A L I E N franchise ? keep on topic lets talk more about prometheus people....
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2011, 06:21:43 PM
It's been said there will biomechanical creatures. But they didn't actually say Alien capital A, as far as I know.
its really funny because when scott said they will be earlier looks of the xenomorphs (much larger aliens) and about going to the alien homeworld of the space jockeys for the prequel, well the same stuff has been said about prometheus so this makes me think this might be a prequel after all.
Dude, don't double post.
Quote from: dandan on Feb 09, 2011, 06:54:37 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2011, 06:21:43 PM
It's been said there will biomechanical creatures. But they didn't actually say Alien capital A, as far as I know.
its really funny because when scott said they will be earlier looks of the xenomorphs (much larger aliens) and about going to the alien homeworld of the space jockeys for the prequel, well the same stuff has been said about prometheus so this makes me think this might be a prequel after all.
I kinda don't think he said that right? are yuo sure your not combining what sky has said and what riley has said. Because i don't remembeer him saying they will go back to the space jockies homeworld
Quote from: nendo on Feb 09, 2011, 08:09:43 PM
Quote from: dandan on Feb 09, 2011, 06:54:37 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2011, 06:21:43 PM
It's been said there will biomechanical creatures. But they didn't actually say Alien capital A, as far as I know.
its really funny because when scott said they will be earlier looks of the xenomorphs (much larger aliens) and about going to the alien homeworld of the space jockeys for the prequel, well the same stuff has been said about prometheus so this makes me think this might be a prequel after all.
I kinda don't think he said that right? are yuo sure your not combining what sky has said and what riley has said. Because i don't remembeer him saying they will go back to the space jockies homeworld
go on this page and read it
"He is also planning on re-designing new creatures – earlier versions of what led to the Facehugger and possibly talking to H.R. Giger when things get moving."
he said this when he said the prequel was on the way
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-prequel/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-prequel/)
and now reports are claiming that scott is planning on doing a much bigger type of exnomorph ? a earlier version perhaps?
and ino sky have reported the aliens are to be bigger but isint it funny that scott said he would do earlier versions...
Quote from: dandan on Feb 09, 2011, 09:37:24 PM
Quote from: nendo on Feb 09, 2011, 08:09:43 PM
Quote from: dandan on Feb 09, 2011, 06:54:37 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2011, 06:21:43 PM
It's been said there will biomechanical creatures. But they didn't actually say Alien capital A, as far as I know.
its really funny because when scott said they will be earlier looks of the xenomorphs (much larger aliens) and about going to the alien homeworld of the space jockeys for the prequel, well the same stuff has been said about prometheus so this makes me think this might be a prequel after all.
I kinda don't think he said that right? are yuo sure your not combining what sky has said and what riley has said. Because i don't remembeer him saying they will go back to the space jockies homeworld
go on this page and read it
"He is also planning on re-designing new creatures – earlier versions of what led to the Facehugger and possibly talking to H.R. Giger when things get moving."
he said this when he said the prequel was on the way
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-prequel/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-prequel/)
and now reports are claiming that scott is planning on doing a much bigger type of exnomorph ? a earlier version perhaps?
and ino sky have reported the aliens are to be bigger but isint it funny that scott said he would do earlier versions...
so he did. lol sorry forge he said that. All i can think of is the rumor from sky
Quote from: nendo on Feb 09, 2011, 10:30:57 PM
Quote from: dandan on Feb 09, 2011, 09:37:24 PM
Quote from: nendo on Feb 09, 2011, 08:09:43 PM
Quote from: dandan on Feb 09, 2011, 06:54:37 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2011, 06:21:43 PM
It's been said there will biomechanical creatures. But they didn't actually say Alien capital A, as far as I know.
its really funny because when scott said they will be earlier looks of the xenomorphs (much larger aliens) and about going to the alien homeworld of the space jockeys for the prequel, well the same stuff has been said about prometheus so this makes me think this might be a prequel after all.
I kinda don't think he said that right? are yuo sure your not combining what sky has said and what riley has said. Because i don't remembeer him saying they will go back to the space jockies homeworld
go on this page and read it
"He is also planning on re-designing new creatures – earlier versions of what led to the Facehugger and possibly talking to H.R. Giger when things get moving."
he said this when he said the prequel was on the way
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-prequel/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-prequel/)
and now reports are claiming that scott is planning on doing a much bigger type of exnomorph ? a earlier version perhaps?
and ino sky have reported the aliens are to be bigger but isint it funny that scott said he would do earlier versions...
so he did. lol sorry forge he said that. All i can think of is the rumor from sky
sky sually have very good sources and most of the time they are 99% trust worthy so i think they will deffo have xenomorphs and jockeys in this
This sounds nothing like an "Alien" film. Can we get over this already...
Quote from: Original Predator on Feb 10, 2011, 01:50:42 PM
This sounds nothing like an "Alien" film. Can we get over this already...
no we carnt scott promised us prequel and we didnt get one
We haven't got anything yet. Except rumours. And I can't seem to remember Riddles actually 'promising' an Alien prequal.
Promising no, but we sorta had that hope when we have seen his short 'letter' in the Anthology booklet.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 10, 2011, 03:28:23 PM
Promising no, but we sorta had that hope when we have seen his short 'letter' in the Anthology booklet.
what short letter?
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In alien anthology manula there is short letter by RS where he promises to get back to Alien universe.
Quote from: Master on Feb 10, 2011, 05:08:33 PM
In alien anthology manula there is short letter by RS where he promises to get back to Alien universe.
ino i just looked in side the booklet and read it i didnt take much notice of the booklet just stuck the disks in and started watching them lol ... anyway isnt that a big clue that prometheus could be an alien film then?
I do hope so.
Quote from: dandan on Feb 10, 2011, 05:09:48 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 10, 2011, 05:08:33 PM
In alien anthology manula there is short letter by RS where he promises to get back to Alien universe.
ino i just looked in side the booklet and read it i didnt take much notice of the booklet just stuck the disks in and started watching them lol ... anyway isnt that a big clue that prometheus could be an alien film then?
No, it's more that at the time he wrote that, he was intending to make another Alien flick. Now, however, that doesn't appear to be the case.
Depends which rumours you want to believe. A degree of deliberate misdirection seems to have gone on. (If you're an optimist).
It's a very rare thing for Studios to err in their marketing of films. Prometheus [in my opinion] and the speculation, miscommunication, crossed signals, and general uncertainty is absolutely intentional to drum up new interest in a generally played out series of films with very little life left in them.
Personally, I think this is genius. I'm at the edge of my seat with anticipation as everyone else is. Not only is this a pseudo-prequel to ALIEN, it's the return of Ridley Scott to Science Fiction. This isn't small potatoes. Ridley knows this. He's had a few misfires of late [to be kind] and he NEEDS to get back in the game on all fronts. Prometheus is his way back to the bar he helped create with films like ALIEN and BladeRunner. This is Ridley Scotts chance to one up James Cameron and show him how it's done.
My eyes are wide, popcorn and drink in hand and I bite my nails, ready to see what he gives us.
QuoteIt's a very rare thing for Studios to err in their marketing of films.
There's no film to market yet.
And look what happens when they have no film to market...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RtvOVPjGv8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RtvOVPjGv8#)
Bwahahahaha, what a weak trailer. That was honestly used??
Not out of character, considering how the rest of the production was handled.
There is most certainly a film to market...and marketing begins way in advance of a production date....that's film school 101.
How can you have a film to market when a frame of it hasn't been shot yet? And the script doesn't seem to have been nailed down, since it only changed from being an Alien prequel to something more original a couple of weeks ago.
All they can market right now is a title.
Do your homework...marketing is as much a shot film as the film itself....it's called momentum, anticipation, viral videos and or viral rumors, all in hopes of drumming up excitement and ultimately sales for a coming picture, filmed or not....again...film school 101. Marketing schemes are designed and begun well in advance of whatever they happen to be representin.
Marketing for ALIEN3 began before production started, when the film was still in developmental hell. I'm sure most of us know about the 'It's on Earth' teaser that was created and released before a frame was shot, and again, as we all know, the film took place in a penal colony. This has been the case for many, many films, including the yet to be released Super 8, which a teaser was released for, before production even begun.
And yet - there's still nothing to seriously market beyond a title. The thing may still fall in a heap. Once they start shooting - then they can start marketing.
We will see a poster for this film in about a month.....I believe ;)
I don't.
Alien Cubed was a studio film, intended to make a lot of money, not bring a director's vision to life. They had no vision for the future.
If Scott, on the other hand, is able to keep his vision for what he wants intact, then the early marketing doesn't matter -- as long as they don't base it off of ideas from first draft plot outlines for the screenplay, as Alien Cubed's trailer ultimately was.
Prometheus started out as an Alien prequel that was to be directed by Carl Rinsch.
Now it doesn't appear to be either. I'd hardly call that 'bringing a director's vision to life'.
a crew member tweeted this?
http://twitter.com/JoannaMaeva/status/35821489689206784 (http://twitter.com/JoannaMaeva/status/35821489689206784)
Oh, ok. Viral campaign all the way.
Quote from: dandan on Feb 11, 2011, 10:41:57 AM
Quote from: Darkoo on Feb 11, 2011, 09:22:19 AM
a crew member tweeted this?
http://twitter.com/JoannaMaeva/status/35821489689206784 (http://twitter.com/JoannaMaeva/status/35821489689206784)
ah i new it! if its true and i really think it is ther will be aliens in this after all and it is a prequel? ha
and its abit of obvious this is going to be set in the alien universe when micheal fessbender is an android aswell ?
Hmm, from that Twitter the person seems like she's more in the music scene than the film one?!
"I'm an alien... Alien. Duck. Water. Back. At Pinewood. Prequel........"
lol what the hell could that possibly mean?! ::)
not sure about the "Duck Water Back" bit, kind of cryptic,
it sure is, maybe shes trying to tell us we may see something at the back of pinewood? around the water or something.
who knows.
well i get the impression she was saying something like "Water off a Duck Back" and generally the saying implies that you've been insulted or someting, but you don't care. for example
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/like_water_off_a_duck's_back (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/like_water_off_a_duck's_back)
I had thought that too, but I can't link it to the words prequel, alien, and pinewood ??? haha
maybe it means the "Alien-less" rumours
yeah that could be true, you may be on to something there, perhaps she means that prometheus has been getting a bit of flack from the fanbase because the press (and POSSIBLY Ridley Scott) where setting this up as a completely separate film to to Alien, but that may be like 'water off a ducks back' because it may be a prequel, and it may indeed be related to the alien franchise.
fingers crossed!
Yep! - fingers crossed indeed!! like water off a duck's back, usually used in relation to ignored criticism - I can imagine Scott couldn't care less about the criticism at this point due to the possibility of the film being unrelated to alien. maybe that is what she means. although I am still optimistic that the film will be related so maybe she means the criticism is ignored because it IS gonna be an alien prequel. this could make ya go crazy haha :D
And yet another crew member referring to this project as a prequel. There shouldn't be any confusion anymore. This is a prequel.
the only problem is of course, how do we know this person is on the crew? where did that bit of small yet important info come from? I didn't see anything on the link that suggested that she is a member of the crew, so where did it say that she is, how do we know she is a crew member at all? ???
Quote from: SM on Feb 11, 2011, 01:30:52 AM
And yet - there's still nothing to seriously market beyond a title. The thing may still fall in a heap. Once they start shooting - then they can start marketing.
Not true at all. You don't need to off shot scenes for the actual film for the marketing to begin.
Godzilla. Cloverfield, Super 8. Recent films that shot scenes inteneded for the trailer only to be reused in the film. Apart from godzilla.
Cloverfield had the trailer filmed before any of the film actualy went into shooting. Alot of the original trailer scenes was re-shot when it came to the actual film.
http://twitter.com/JoannaMaeva/status/36061424639807489 (http://twitter.com/JoannaMaeva/status/36061424639807489)
QuoteI'm on the new 'Aliens' film at Pinewood! An evening steak would be awesome!
The plot thickens.
most sources seem to be calling this an alien movie. I really hope it is.
I just hope the film doesn't dive into the Alien's origins.
the plot thickens indeed. maybe this IS gonna be related to Alien after all. of course this all can't be taken as gospel untill there is some concrete information from the studio or Ridley Scott
QuoteOver Yonder artist Tim is building sets for next 2 Alien moves at pinewood...
http://twitter.com/EastStreetArts/statuses/35986163625885696 (http://twitter.com/EastStreetArts/statuses/35986163625885696)
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Feb 11, 2011, 03:49:21 PM
the plot thickens indeed. maybe this IS gonna be related to Alien after all.
Amen 8)
:laugh: hahahaha I really hope this is all true! perhaps old Ridley was deliberately trying to mislead us after all!
too much evidence now scott you may aswell just tell every one it is A L I E N related after all....
Quote from: Darkoo on Feb 11, 2011, 03:52:35 PM
QuoteOver Yonder artist Tim is building sets for next 2 Alien moves at pinewood...
http://twitter.com/EastStreetArts/statuses/35986163625885696 (http://twitter.com/EastStreetArts/statuses/35986163625885696)
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Feb 11, 2011, 03:49:21 PM
the plot thickens indeed. maybe this IS gonna be related to Alien after all.
Amen 8)
can some one just contact FOX and ask them if this is actually alien related?
the studio and Scott almost certainly won't respond to any emails asking questions like that because I suspect they deliberately are trying to mislead everyone, at least for the time being.
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Feb 11, 2011, 05:15:17 PM
the studio and Scott almost certainly won't respond to any emails asking questions like that because I suspect they deliberately are trying to mislead everyone, at least for the time being.
yeah thats what they are supposed to be doing orwell im just hoping these "crew members" are true
Quoteleeb85: Filming tonight in Pinewood Studios (between new Alien and new X-men movies!)
http://twitter.com/leeb85/statuses/35677355661983744 (http://twitter.com/leeb85/statuses/35677355661983744)
ok this is getting out of hand now lol... there is too many people talking bout it been a alien movie it has got to be!
anyway do you guys thnk that the predators had a relation with the space jockeys like with the jockeys helmet at the begginging of avp2
Quote from: dandan on Feb 11, 2011, 08:26:30 PM
ok this is getting out of hand now lol... there is too many people talking bout it been a alien movie it has got to be!
Or it could be a bunch of people blowing this completely out of proportion only for fans to be let down by an epic fail of disappointment.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 11, 2011, 08:32:02 PM
Quote from: dandan on Feb 11, 2011, 08:26:30 PM
ok this is getting out of hand now lol... there is too many people talking bout it been a alien movie it has got to be!
Or it could be a bunch of people blowing this completely out of proportion only for fans to be let down by an epic fail of disappointment.
3 different people have said that it is an alien film and they all do not know each other ? so....
The digital effects company Weta doing the effect for Prometheus?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3576725/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3576725/)
Yeah, who are these people again? I can see from your links are their statements, I don't know anything about these people's biographies or who they are. How do you know they're not just fans posing as people in the loop?
Quote from: Darkoo on Feb 11, 2011, 08:36:28 PM
The digital effects company Weta doing the effect for Prometheus?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3576725/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3576725/)
if it says it on imdb then yes because its official
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 11, 2011, 08:36:56 PM
Yeah, who are these people again? I can see from your links are their statements, I don't know anything about these people's biographies or who they are. How do you know they're not just fans posing as people in the loop?
you might be right actually because one tweet says that alien n x-men movies are filming when prometheus is still in preproduction
Quote from: dandan on Feb 11, 2011, 08:40:02 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Feb 11, 2011, 08:36:28 PM
The digital effects company Weta doing the effect for Prometheus?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3576725/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3576725/)
if it says it on imdb then yes because its official
I followed the link, where does it say that?
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 11, 2011, 08:42:55 PM
Quote from: dandan on Feb 11, 2011, 08:40:02 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Feb 11, 2011, 08:36:28 PM
The digital effects company Weta doing the effect for Prometheus?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3576725/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3576725/)
if it says it on imdb then yes because its official
I followed the link, where does it say that?
The guy,Taylor Carrasco is an animation technical director from Weta Digital
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 11, 2011, 08:42:55 PM
Quote from: dandan on Feb 11, 2011, 08:40:02 PM
Quote from: Darkoo on Feb 11, 2011, 08:36:28 PM
The digital effects company Weta doing the effect for Prometheus?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3576725/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3576725/)
if it says it on imdb then yes because its official
I followed the link, where does it say that?
Filmography
Hide Visual Effects (11 titles)
2012 Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter (animation technical director: Weta) (pre-production)
2012 Prometheus (animation technical director: Weta) (pre-production)
2011 X-Men: First Class (animation technical director: Weta Digital) (filming)
2011 Rise of the Apes (animation technical director) (post-production)
2011 The Adventures of Tintin: The Secret of the Unicorn (animation technical director) (post-production)
2010 Gulliver's Travels (animation technical director)
2010 Predators (animation technical director)
2010 Knight and Day (animation technical director)
2010 The A-Team (animation technical director)
2009 Avatar (animation technical director)
2009 The Lovely Bones (animation technical director)
Ah ok, but it doesn't say that Prometheus will have Aliens in it.
Quote from: Darkoo on Feb 11, 2011, 08:36:28 PM
The digital effects company Weta doing the effect for Prometheus?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3576725/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3576725/)
f**king
please be true.
You people are Fu#€kn ridiculous. Now because you don't personally know who these people are you doubt their words? Shit, Ridley Scott himself could say something and you'd disbelieve it doubting the source of the quote. I love fandom, and I loathe it with a passion as well.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 11, 2011, 09:17:26 PM
You people are Fu#€kn ridiculous. Now because you don't personally know who these people are you doubt their words? Shit, Ridley Scott himself could say something and you'd disbelieve it doubting the source of the quote. I love fandom, and I loathe it with a passion as well.
i agree why would you think they are lying when you clearly dont no them
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 11, 2011, 09:17:26 PM
You people are Fu#€kn ridiculous. Now because you don't personally know who these people are you doubt their words? Shit, Ridley Scott himself could say something and you'd disbelieve it doubting the source of the quote. I love fandom, and I loathe it with a passion as well.
No one's insulting the fandom, calm down. But, I want it noted that it's these kinds of rumors that put the word out that Chet would die in the first 20 minutes of AVPR. Even though some of us would love it if that were true, it clearly didn't work out that way.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 11, 2011, 09:17:26 PM
You people are Fu#€kn ridiculous. Now because you don't personally know who these people are you doubt their words? Shit, Ridley Scott himself could say something and you'd disbelieve it doubting the source of the quote. I love fandom, and I loathe it with a passion as well.
People have to understand that THIS IS THE INTERNET!!! Everything in it is TRUE!!! There is absolutely no need to be skeptical about internet quotes. I mean all the information in it is 100% correct and reliable. I mean who has ever used the internet to spread lies??? "No one" is the answer.
i am on twitter and talking to the supposed "crew" for answers will get back to you all :)
I'm not saying Internet quotes are always accurate, but at the same time, they're not all purposeful lies either. I mean Jesus.
http://www.slashfilm.com/prometheus/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/prometheus/)
need we continue the 'is it or isn't it' debate any further?
Charlize Theron could have misinterpretted the script. Either way, you're right; we shouldn't argue about this. We'll find out the truth eventually. What's the point arguing?
Now that Fassbender has basically confirmed that yes this is connected to alien I think we can safely relax a little.
From slashfilm.com -
Fassbender (when asked if it is an alien movie and if it follows the continuity with the alien movies) -
"Oh, absolutely. There's a definite connecting vein,. You realize you're part of something else, but it's definitely in keeping with the old ones." ... "When I read it, I was like, 'Well, okay, another Alien. Where do you go with this idea?' And then I sort of read the script, and it's new, yet it's in keeping with the old traditions as well. But there's a whole new revelation within this film." .... "The first 'Alien' [movies], they were thrillers. Something's going on. It's creeping, it's sinister. Things are happening, it's building, [and there are] different sorts of intrigues and politics going on between the different relationships on board. There's action in it," he said, "but the intelligence is what struck me when I read it. It's more sort of like the original ones. There are things happening and building, and the intelligence of the first two-thirds of the film gets you ready for the action."
http://www.slashfilm.com/prometheus/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/prometheus/)
by going on that site i think we already found out the truth don't you!
this film is going to be epic!
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Feb 11, 2011, 11:43:43 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/prometheus/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/prometheus/)
need we continue the 'is it or isn't it' debate any further?
Interesting.
Hmm.
puts sunglasses....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoPWALM2riQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoPWALM2riQ#)
Damn, ok, it is an Alien film. Team Alien wins. Fassbender siad it was, Noomi said it was, two actors who read the script cannot be wrong, even despite my skepticism and previous claims.
She could have misinterpreted the script??? Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?
You people are off your rocker!
....and....told ya so!!
Yep, you won.
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Feb 12, 2011, 01:13:55 AM
Damn, ok, it is an Alien film. Team Alien wins. Fassbender siad it was, Noomi said it was, two actors who read the script cannot be wrong, even despite my skepticism and previous claims.
Yeah, yeah been saying that ever since.
still needing more confirmation
Personally, I think this would be very interesting if it were a bit from column A and a bit from column B; you could have it as part of the Alien continuity without tying it too heavily to previous films. If you have Aliens in it, cool beans. If not, cool beans.
What I really want to see when I go to the cinema is a return to the style of sci-fi Alien best represents -- the mysterious and confronting.
I also really like the idea of Aliens being more amorphous than previously intended, and not necessarily due to host, but due to the fact they're f**kin' alien and make no sense via our narrow perceptions. Something like this is potentially fantastic because it opens the scope of the setting without limiting itself by being overtly imitative.
QuoteMy best mate from RADA Tim Timmington now working as scenic artist on Ridley Scott's new Alien at Pinewood!
http://twitter.com/carl_potentio/statuses/36401425898684416 (http://twitter.com/carl_potentio/statuses/36401425898684416)
Maybe we should have a seperate "Twitter says..." thread? :P
Quote from: Daz_85 on Feb 12, 2011, 04:47:40 PM
QuoteMy best mate from RADA Tim Timmington now working as scenic artist on Ridley Scott's new Alien at Pinewood!
http://twitter.com/carl_potentio/statuses/36401425898684416 (http://twitter.com/carl_potentio/statuses/36401425898684416)
Maybe we should have a seperate "Twitter says..." thread? :P
even more evidence this really and truly a alien film :D
Thank God. This makes me happy.
If this is right then YAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!!! ;D
In all honesty, all this hype about Aliens in Prometheus seems a bit premature. I don't want to be the b@$t@rd out to ruin everybody's hopes and dreams, but this all seems to lack an "official" feel to it. A lot of these claims appear more to be misinterpretations than actual evidence and fact. But, I could be wrong. I just don't want everybody's hopes raised only so they'll come crashing down to the floor later.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 13, 2011, 01:02:58 AM
In all honesty, all this hype about Aliens in Prometheus seems a bit premature. I don't want to be the b@$t@rd out to ruin everybody's hopes and dreams, but this all seems to lack an "official" feel to it. A lot of these claims appear more to be misinterpretations than actual evidence and fact. But, I could be wrong. I just don't want everybody's hopes raised only so they'll come crashing down to the floor later.
"In reality, hope is the worst of all evils,
because it prolongs man's torments."
~ Friedrich Nietzsche Predxeno
Quote from: samoht on Feb 13, 2011, 01:38:18 AM
"In reality, hope is the worst of all evils,
because it prolongs man's torments."
~ Friedrich Nietzsche Predxeno
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Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Feb 13, 2011, 02:34:10 AM
Quote from: samoht on Feb 13, 2011, 01:38:18 AM
"In reality, hope is the worst of all evils,
because it prolongs man's torments."
~ Friedrich Nietzsche Predxeno
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If I had to guess the focus of Prometheus will gradually move from the Alien onto creatures like the Space Jockey's and their intentions.
Same universe, but wider scope.
QuoteFlying_Moomin and Ridley Scott, we flew the "aliens"Crew to morocco!
http://twitter.com/Flying_Moomin/statuses/36578198821011456 (http://twitter.com/Flying_Moomin/statuses/36578198821011456)
Quote from: Darkoo on Feb 13, 2011, 07:29:22 AM
QuoteFlying_Moomin and Ridley Scott, we flew the "aliens"Crew to morocco!
http://twitter.com/Flying_Moomin/statuses/36578198821011456 (http://twitter.com/Flying_Moomin/statuses/36578198821011456)
man if that is true ( it is most likely be true) then they must be really working very hard on it now
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 13, 2011, 03:18:12 AM
If I had to guess the focus of Prometheus will gradually move from the Alien onto creatures like the Space Jockey's and their intentions.
Same universe, but wider scope.
yeah thats what i have been thinking aswell
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:laugh:
http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/01/crafting-perfect-organism.html (http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/01/crafting-perfect-organism.html)
just over half way down that page there is the bolaji test footage. if scott brings back the classic alien i want it to have that silhouette and movement. watching him emerge from round the corner is genuinely eerie.
Honestly, that's probably the best performance I've ever seen anyone do as an Alien ... and it's a guy in his underwear with a mock-up head. I love how he goes from slow and graceful to twitchy in a heartbeat.
Also holy crap how skinny was that guy seriously.
Christ thats creepy.
Any way I can get a url for the video?
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Mar 02, 2011, 12:55:49 AM
http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/01/crafting-perfect-organism.html (http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/01/crafting-perfect-organism.html)
just over half way down that page there is the bolaji test footage. if scott brings back the classic alien i want it to have that silhouette and movement. watching him emerge from round the corner is genuinely eerie.
One of my favourite parts is the very beginning, when he's just standing there. That's amazing, look at the guy. And there's another shot of him just standing nonchalantly at the end of the corridor. His physique is incredible. It's a shame there wasn't twelve of him for Aliens [it's a shame there wasn't
one of him], and it's a shame he passed away, he wanted to do a sequel if he could have.
Quote from: Huol on Mar 02, 2011, 07:57:38 AM
Christ thats creepy.
Any way I can get a url for the video?
I'll upload it to Youtube later for you.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 02, 2011, 07:07:22 AM
Honestly, that's probably the best performance I've ever seen anyone do as an Alien ... and it's a guy in his underwear with a mock-up head. I love how he goes from slow and graceful to twitchy in a heartbeat.
Also holy crap how skinny was that guy seriously.
Agreed. It was a tad unnerving, to be honest.
@Huol, video should appear here: http://www.youtube.com/user/Valaquin?feature=mhum (http://www.youtube.com/user/Valaquin?feature=mhum)
thats a real cool video. didn't know anything about the guy till now. thanks for sharing
Ridley actually doesn't look much younger than now in that interview.
Holy shit, the bit where Bolaji just squats down.
Very creepy indeed!
Interestingly, If the Alien species IS in Prometheus, It could move very differently from the Alien in the original movie (and seen in these movement tests) - going by the 'bleeding cool' source which suggests that the alien species (although unrecognisable at first) may merge DNA with 'another alien species' (space jockey??) therefore it may move COMPLETELY differently than this.
Could be, could be.
Could also be that the Alien in Alien is just way too cool to be changed to such a degree. But we'll see.
I just don't know what to think anymore. I'm confident we'll have ourselves a great scifi horror movie wether Riddles is making an Alien prequel, a prequel in the Alien universe or something totally new. To be honest I'm not even sure which one of those I want more.
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 02, 2011, 02:19:07 PM
@Huol, video should appear here: http://www.youtube.com/user/Valaquin?feature=mhum (http://www.youtube.com/user/Valaquin?feature=mhum)
Many thanks.
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 02, 2011, 02:19:07 PM@Huol, video should appear here: http://www.youtube.com/user/Valaquin?feature=mhum (http://www.youtube.com/user/Valaquin?feature=mhum)
Never seen that before. Excellent moves right there. :)
@valaquen/valaquin
Wow - great clip. Proof that its really only the banana shaped head (!) that makes the alien look so distinctively....alien! Plus the silhouetted insect-like torso that is Mr Bolaji Badejo makes all the difference compared to the 'standard human shape' of the guys that cameron used for Aliens.
Watching that clip I find myself torn between being awestruck by its awesomeness and simultaneuosly wanting to piss myself laughing.
Quote from: 180924609 on Mar 02, 2011, 09:30:51 PM
Watching [it] I find myself torn between being awestruck by its awesomeness and simultaneuosly wanting to piss myself laughing.
If there was ever a way to describe
Predator 2, that would be it. ;)
Quote from: 180924609 on Mar 02, 2011, 09:30:51 PM
@valaquen/valaquin
Wow - great clip. Proof that its really only the banana shaped head (!) that makes the alien look so distinctively....alien! Plus the silhouetted insect-like torso that is Mr Bolaji Badejo makes all the difference compared to the 'standard human shape' of the guys that cameron used for Aliens.
Watching that clip I find myself torn between being awestruck by its awesomeness and simultaneuosly wanting to piss myself laughing.
There are some great shots of the Alien that was cut from the movie. Sure you can see them all in a fan extended cut of the film [I believe there's a 3 hours fan cut somewhere]. With Cameron, well, Ridley was lucky enough to find
one performer. Shame about Badejo, as he said,
"The fact that I played the part of the Alien, for me, that's good enough. Legally, I'll be given the opportunity of doing a follow-up, if there is one."
The Alien Redux has some great shots of the Alien during the Parker/Lambert sequence, a not-so-good one during the shuttle bounce at the end, and a friggin' out of place one during the vents sequence.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 03, 2011, 08:09:39 AM
The Alien Redux has some great shots of the Alien during the Parker/Lambert sequence, a not-so-good one during the shuttle bounce at the end, and a friggin' out of place one during the vents sequence.
I haven't seen it, which extra shot is the vents one?
It would be funny if the Alien bumped its head in the movie, too! ;D
You know, before proceeding to kill the crew and all. :-X
"Agh, buggerit!"
Aw man, Boladji's dead? I didn't know much about him until now, but wow, I'm sad that we didn't see more of this guy as the Alien! (Or Aliens!)
An AVP with Bolaji Badejo as the Alien and Kevin Peter Hall as Predator would have been awesome...I hope those guys are resting in peace....
And on a side-note, RIP Nicholas Courtney as well... :'(
I'm pretty sure the Alien got quite a few bumps in the ejection sequence, what with the guy in the suit bumping unconvincingly against the hull and all! ;D
Quote from: Peakius Baragonius on Mar 05, 2011, 02:29:08 AM
I'm pretty sure the Alien got quite a few bumps in the ejection sequence, what with the guy in the suit bumping unconvincingly against the hull and all! ;D
Read [in Cinefex] that they tried a dummy in some shots of the ejected Alien, probably that particular shot.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 03, 2011, 11:22:55 AM
"Agh, buggerit!"
Totally off subject, but is "Agh, buggerit!" from A Christmas Carol? HaHa. Cause, that was one of the funniest moments of the entire film!
Man, I'm getting sick and tired of this!! First it's an Alien Prequel, then it's a completely new film called "Promethus" that has nothing to do with Alien. Now they're saying it is?!! My mind is going to explode with all this confusion ???
Heres what I know unless anyone has heard any different;
1 - Originally Alien prequel
2 - Evolved into 'Promethius' (Original movie)
3 - Confirmed to be set in the Alien Universe
4 - Xenomorphs are in it but not as we know them. Different dna not birthed from humans.
5 - AvPG fooled everyone on April Fools day with concept art for the movie and we all fell for it.
Pretty much. Except it's "Prometheus".
We're all crossing our fingers.
So I haven't been around this board much over the past few months. I didn't want to get too heavily spoiled for this film once it became clear they were seriously going for a prequel flick.
I would assume by now that people know all kinds of spoilers. We're so close to the release, it's crazy to think a ton hasn't leaked out by now. Maybe they managed to prevent it, but... I'd be surprised.
There is only ONE thing I want to know, and it seems that even with doing searches on the board, I can't find any answers to this question...
Is there going to be any type of Alien/Xenomorph in the damn movie or not? I remember hearing there might be tiny bug-sized aliens, or maybe a proto-facehugger that looks different but basically performs the same function. I can't seem to find any confirmation around here, though, so that's my one question to you guys. Can you do me a favor and tell me if I should expect any/zero actual capital-A "ALIEN" appearance? It'd help me prepare psychologically for what this movie is or isn't going to be.
Of course, maybe we seriously don't know yet. Which would be pretty amazing, and would seem to indicate "no" is the answer.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 03, 2011, 08:09:39 AM
The Alien Redux has some great shots of the Alien during the Parker/Lambert sequence, a not-so-good one during the shuttle bounce at the end, and a friggin' out of place one during the vents sequence.
Yep, I'd also add the Alien Redux cocoon sequence is much better, why Ripley's dialogue was cut for the D.C. I'll never understand (though Scott would probably say "for pacing" as always) and that scene is in the right place here as well. ;)
Quote from: Bishop2 on May 14, 2012, 06:52:49 PM
So I haven't been around this board much over the past few months. I didn't want to get too heavily spoiled for this film once it became clear they were seriously going for a prequel flick.
I would assume by now that people know all kinds of spoilers. We're so close to the release, it's crazy to think a ton hasn't leaked out by now. Maybe they managed to prevent it, but... I'd be surprised.
There is only ONE thing I want to know, and it seems that even with doing searches on the board, I can't find any answers to this question...
Is there going to be any type of Alien/Xenomorph in the damn movie or not? I remember hearing there might be tiny bug-sized aliens, or maybe a proto-facehugger that looks different but basically performs the same function. I can't seem to find any confirmation around here, though, so that's my one question to you guys. Can you do me a favor and tell me if I should expect any/zero actual capital-A "ALIEN" appearance? It'd help me prepare psychologically for what this movie is or isn't going to be.
Of course, maybe we seriously don't know yet. Which would be pretty amazing, and would seem to indicate "no" is the answer.
Not Aliens capital A, but "bio-mechanical creatures". Those are the exact words of the producer, I think it was. If I had the quote handy, I'd link you.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 15, 2012, 02:50:02 PM
Not Aliens capital A, but "bio-mechanical creatures". Those are the exact words of the producer, I think it was. If I had the quote handy, I'd link you.
I think Scott said in a featurette that the Engineers have control of various forms of biology and biomechanoids.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 15, 2012, 02:50:02 PM
Not Aliens capital A, but "bio-mechanical creatures". Those are the exact words of the producer, I think it was. If I had the quote handy, I'd link you.
Thanks for the update. Sounds good to me.
I didn't know where else to put this but this looks ok:
Were you initially reluctant to make another Alien film considering how the brand's been treated in the years since, with films like Alien vs. Predator and Alien: Resurrection?
"Listen, you do whatever you gotta do to keep something going, and I don't do that. I tend to make the film and move on. Ironically, here we are over 30 years later and I think you might not even argue it's a prequel. Once you start into the evolution of the story, it moves so far away from Alien that there's only the mere DNA of the original in Prometheus."
This is from a new interview with Ridley Scott:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/17/ridley-scott-opens-up-about-prometheus-kick-ass-women-and-blade-runner-2.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/17/ridley-scott-opens-up-about-prometheus-kick-ass-women-and-blade-runner-2.html)
Quote from: Qwertify on May 17, 2012, 10:24:56 PM
I didn't know where else to put this but this looks ok:
Were you initially reluctant to make another Alien film considering how the brand's been treated in the years since, with films like Alien vs. Predator and Alien: Resurrection?
"Listen, you do whatever you gotta do to keep something going, and I don't do that. I tend to make the film and move on. Ironically, here we are over 30 years later and I think you might not even argue it's a prequel. Once you start into the evolution of the story, it moves so far away from Alien that there's only the mere DNA of the original in Prometheus."
This is from a new interview with Ridley Scott:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/17/ridley-scott-opens-up-about-prometheus-kick-ass-women-and-blade-runner-2.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/17/ridley-scott-opens-up-about-prometheus-kick-ass-women-and-blade-runner-2.html)
I think he's just messing with everyone. At least i hope! I want to see a freaking xeno.
Prepare to be disappointed.
Quote from: JayHy17 on May 18, 2012, 02:12:26 AMI think he's just messing with everyone. At least i hope! I want to see a freaking xeno.
If he is lying and there is a living xeno in the film it will trigger the largest communal fan-gasm ever witnessed in the history of cinema, regardless of whether you like the idea or not. ;)
Sorry guys, but I think that would just shit all over this movie.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 18, 2012, 02:25:23 AM
Quote from: JayHy17 on May 18, 2012, 02:12:26 AMI think he's just messing with everyone. At least i hope! I want to see a freaking xeno.
If he is lying and there is a living xeno in the film it will trigger the largest communal fan-gasm ever witnessed in the history of cinema, regardless of whether you like the idea or not. ;)
Theron did say fans will be very very happy - and Lindelof did say that, your favorite band won't let you down during the concert - they will play everybody's favorite song at the end.
Could that be it? OMG if there IS a xeno - you will be right - or
Spoiler
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I have taken the time to really try to understand what this movie is about by reading alot of what riddley scott explianed in his interviews in the movie magiznes before the trailers came out. I feel that he did not mislead anyone about the story, he gave us little hints about what Prometheus is about. This movie will have the dna of the alien but at the same time we are going to see new things that will lead us up to alien, prometheus will be something new that we have not seen before. I'm glade that the story is not going to be about a young ripley, but about the alien race of the so called space jockeys. The alien space jockeys are the creators of the aliens we see in the movies but at the same time the company is really the creator of them, thats why in alien the company is so determined to get the species because the crew of prometeus all die on the planet were the alien eggs are found.
I don't know if there will be a xeno "as we know them" in this movie, but I'd definitely like to see what a xeno that's been birthed from an Engineer would look like (yes, I've seen the various fan/comic/video game designs, ha).
From the rumors that we've all heard, the "alien" in this movie is going to be big. I'm just wondering if by "alien" they mean the Engineer, or the new xeno.
It's my understanding/interpretation that whatever creatures are in this film interact with the humans in some way which gives the organism impetus to evolve a better way to infect/impregnate its new found host ( i.e. us)
This would lead the way for the evolution of the facehugger. What we most likely see is an egg. An egg in the sense as we know them from ALIEN.
Look at it this way, the facehugger seems to have co-evolved to fit a human face rather nicely. In nature this isn't random. A good example would be certain symbiotic relationships that specific species of moths have with certain cacti or orchids in that their mouth parts a highly specialized for these plants and, in fact, these plants reply solely on these months for pollination and reproduction.
I think what we are going to get is this but on a more parasitic level rather than symbiotic.
How ever the space jockeys are involved a facehugger would be too small for their larger faces, so the urns or creatures we see represent an earlier evolution of this creature suited either better for infecting the space jockey's or for what ever creature the space jockey's were using them against.
Point being, what you'll get at the end of PROMETHEUS is some creature which lay's the first EGG specially evolved for impregnating humans, thus giving way for the xenomorph as we know it.
Quote from: SteveEugene on May 18, 2012, 05:23:08 AMPoint being, what you'll get at the end of PROMETHEUS is some creature which lay's the first EGG specially evolved for impregnating humans, thus giving way for the xenomorph as we know it.
Or what we see in
Prometheus is just one form of biology amongst the "different forms of biological and biomechanoid technology" that the Engineers possess. It should be noted that the xeno eggs on LV-426 are more than likely very old and therefore way predate the events of the new film.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 18, 2012, 06:19:48 AM
Quote from: SteveEugene on May 18, 2012, 05:23:08 AMPoint being, what you'll get at the end of PROMETHEUS is some creature which lay's the first EGG specially evolved for impregnating humans, thus giving way for the xenomorph as we know it.
Or what we see in Prometheus is just one form of biology amongst the "different forms of biological and biomechanoid technology" that the Engineers possess. It should be noted that the xeno eggs on LV-426 are more than likely very old and therefore way predate the events of the new film.
Yeah, but we will still fanwank and speculate away. Pithy jokes aside. :D
Honestly, I am having such a hard time trying to dissect this movie and figure it out that I could almost kiss Ridley's fuzzy face. This film is going to be something special I think.
Quote from: Bishop2 on May 14, 2012, 06:52:49 PM
So I haven't been around this board much over the past few months. I didn't want to get too heavily spoiled for this film once it became clear they were seriously going for a prequel flick.
I would assume by now that people know all kinds of spoilers. We're so close to the release, it's crazy to think a ton hasn't leaked out by now. Maybe they managed to prevent it, but... I'd be surprised.
There is only ONE thing I want to know, and it seems that even with doing searches on the board, I can't find any answers to this question...
Is there going to be any type of Alien/Xenomorph in the damn movie or not? I remember hearing there might be tiny bug-sized aliens, or maybe a proto-facehugger that looks different but basically performs the same function. I can't seem to find any confirmation around here, though, so that's my one question to you guys. Can you do me a favor and tell me if I should expect any/zero actual capital-A "ALIEN" appearance? It'd help me prepare psychologically for what this movie is or isn't going to be.
Of course, maybe we seriously don't know yet. Which would be pretty amazing, and would seem to indicate "no" is the answer.
There's only one fact that I can give you: Ridley stated in an interview that the Xenomorph won't be in the movie.
I don't think have to put this in spoilers... it has been stated in public threads numerously. At the same time I can't tell you if this is simply a marketing gig just to make the movie more mysterious...
However, from the trailer footage seen so far, I gather this:
Spoiler
There is a snake like creature, that pretty much performs the same actions as the face-hugger, though there are differences in the manner of "performance" and "result of the performance"... if you know what I mean.
There is a mural with a creature that looks like an Alien Queen.
There is a being that grows within a human character as a parasite.
There are exoskeletion corpses lying all over the place.
Hence: biomechanic lifeforms are sure to appear... but I don't think our banana-headed friends...
QuoteIf he is lying and there is a living xeno in the film it will trigger the largest communal fan-gasm ever witnessed in the history of cinema, regardless of whether you like the idea or not.
If that happens, then the whole point why this movie was made in the end will be for nothing. I mean come on guys, from everything we've seen so far it can be easily seen that the story doesn't focus on "a" or more percise "the" creature that will kill humans in the movie.
The movie is about the origins of mankind, creation of life and death, terraforming planets, breeding humans, etc... the creatures in this movie are just to enhance those things... unlike "Alien" were the whole movie was just about "the creature"...
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 18, 2012, 07:37:53 PM
If that happens, then the whole point why this movie was made in the end will be for nothing. I mean come on guys, from everything we've seen so far it can be easily seen that the story doesn't focus on "a" or more percise "the" creature that will kill humans in the movie.
The movie is about the origins of mankind, creation of life and death, terraforming planets, breeding humans, etc... the creatures in this movie are just to enhance those things... unlike "Alien" were the whole movie was just about "the creature"...
Agree with you all the way.... I'd also suggest we're possibly going to witness the origins of the Alien too, which is why I believe we will see the Proto Face-Hugger. Maybe this thing will be a cross between various stages of the Alien, a variant we recognise but it still feels new. If Ridley really has got that part right we don't need the xeno, because there's your DNA connection, there's the shape of things to come, the only question left is probably the hardest of all to answer.... what does it do!!
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 18, 2012, 08:15:08 PM
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 18, 2012, 07:37:53 PM
If that happens, then the whole point why this movie was made in the end will be for nothing. I mean come on guys, from everything we've seen so far it can be easily seen that the story doesn't focus on "a" or more percise "the" creature that will kill humans in the movie.
The movie is about the origins of mankind, creation of life and death, terraforming planets, breeding humans, etc... the creatures in this movie are just to enhance those things... unlike "Alien" were the whole movie was just about "the creature"...
Agree with you all the way.... I'd also suggest we're possibly going to witness the origins of the Alien too, which is why I believe we will see the Proto Face-Hugger. Maybe this thing will be a cross between various stages of the Alien, a variant we recognise but it still feels new. If Ridley really has got that part right we don't need the xeno, because there's your DNA connection, there's the shape of things to come, the only question left is probably the hardest of all to answer.... what does it do!!
Yes, I could totally see that happen, since it would enforce the purpose of creation. Ridley could really make a masterpiece out of this by bringing in some familiar things/shapes but with a larger concept in mind. I strongly suspect that this will be the case and share your opinion.
What I don't like is that many people are focussing so much on "will there be a Xeno, won't there be a Xeno"? I do see the importance of having some familiar things between the new and the old franchise, but I do not understand why so many people are giving so much weight on WHAT the creature will actually be... as if that matters for the idea that this film wants to carry...
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 18, 2012, 09:30:56 PM
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 18, 2012, 08:15:08 PM
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 18, 2012, 07:37:53 PM
If that happens, then the whole point why this movie was made in the end will be for nothing. I mean come on guys, from everything we've seen so far it can be easily seen that the story doesn't focus on "a" or more percise "the" creature that will kill humans in the movie.
The movie is about the origins of mankind, creation of life and death, terraforming planets, breeding humans, etc... the creatures in this movie are just to enhance those things... unlike "Alien" were the whole movie was just about "the creature"...
Agree with you all the way.... I'd also suggest we're possibly going to witness the origins of the Alien too, which is why I believe we will see the Proto Face-Hugger. Maybe this thing will be a cross between various stages of the Alien, a variant we recognise but it still feels new. If Ridley really has got that part right we don't need the xeno, because there's your DNA connection, there's the shape of things to come, the only question left is probably the hardest of all to answer.... what does it do!!
Yes, I could totally see that happen, since it would enforce the purpose of creation. Ridley could really make a masterpiece out of this by bringing in some familiar things/shapes but with a larger concept in mind. I strongly suspect that this will be the case and share your opinion.
What I don't like is that many people are focussing so much on "will there be a Xeno, won't there be a Xeno"? I do see the importance of having some familiar things between the new and the old franchise, but I do not understand why so many people are giving so much weight on WHAT the creature will actually be... as if that matters for the idea that this film wants to carry...
To be honest all I wanted is a true Alien Prequel, not just something that has Space Jockeys and Weyland in there, any fan could write a decent story about that. Alas, even though I'm expecting to see something I'll enjoy, I think I'm going to be disappointed at an opportunity lost. If I am right, while any success for Prometheus will mean more of the same, which is fine by me, I fear it may also likely open the doors for more AvP to join the dots, because FOX just doesn't know how to treat the Alien any more. I'll also add, it doesn't help when you have Sir Riddles saying stuff like 'the Alien has run it's course', that's just BS and annoys the hell out of me. The guy is supposed to be an artist, he's even talked about changing it, and I don't care what anyone says the Alien still has LOADS more to offer. It's all in the presentation as far as I'm concerned, something Scott should be more than capable of but it seems maybe isn't willing to do!
^This^
However, if a Xeno/facehugger were to be involved in this film, i'd rather have that saved for the very end of the film.
I.E., the events of the Engineer's deaths are explained/justified by the appearance a xeno (shoggoth?) within "the last 8 minutes". If the xenos represent something like the shoggoth, that would be pretty badass.
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 18, 2012, 10:13:08 PM
To be honest all I wanted is a true Alien Prequel, not just something that has Space Jockeys and Weyland in there, any fan could write a decent story about that. Alas, even though I'm expecting to see something I'll enjoy, I think I'm going to be disappointed at an opportunity lost. If I am right, while any success for Prometheus will mean more of the same, which is fine by me, I fear it may also likely open the doors for more AvP to join the dots, because FOX just doesn't know how to treat the Alien any more. I'll also add, it doesn't help when you have Sir Riddles saying stuff like 'the Alien has run it's course', that's just BS and annoys the hell out of me. The guy is supposed to be an artist, he's even talked about changing it, and I don't care what anyone says the Alien still has LOADS more to offer. It's all in the presentation as far as I'm concerned, something Scott should be more than capable of but it seems maybe isn't willing to do!
Wow. Luckily, you aren't Ridley Scott! Cos I completely and utterly disagree. I don't want a straight alien prequel, or sequel. I want what we seem to be getting - a new story, not a hack sequel/prequel, but set in the same universe with enough links and easter eggs (ha) to keep those in the know happy. More importantly, I want Ridley Scott to make the creative decisions on such a movie, because us, here, on this forum? We know
nothing about actually making a good film.
And "
The guy is supposed to be an artist"? .... please. Run that line by me again when you have Ridley Scott's career behind you. If he made a straight up prequel, using the same alien, he'd probably see that as the lesser artistic choice.
We will find out more, but it won't be the focus of the movie. Think of it as icing on the cake.
In the past I have said on here that having a xeno in the movie wasn't important to me... however I rescind that statement. I would be overjoyed if a xeno found it's way in... If there isn't a xeno as we know them, then I expect something like a xeno... From what I have seen of the Engineer, it alone won't be sufficient...
Flame suit zipped up...
Quote from: ryanjayhawk on May 18, 2012, 11:23:08 PM
In the past I have said on here that having a xeno in the movie wasn't important to me... however I rescind that statement. I would be overjoyed if a xeno found it's way in... If there isn't a xeno as we know them, then I expect something like a xeno... From what I have seen of the Engineer, it alone won't be sufficient...
Flame suit zipped up...
Prepare to
burn! ;D
I would also love to see one, but it isn't necessary. Happy to not have one, but would shit myself if one does appear (along with every other
Alien fan in the cinema).
I could really live without seeing a Xeno in this movie. I mean c'mon now, we've seen them in 6 movies now. As much as I love them, I'd love to see something new, but obviously related to their bio-mechanics.
Quote from: zoidy on May 18, 2012, 10:57:22 PM
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 18, 2012, 10:13:08 PM
To be honest all I wanted is a true Alien Prequel, not just something that has Space Jockeys and Weyland in there, any fan could write a decent story about that. Alas, even though I'm expecting to see something I'll enjoy, I think I'm going to be disappointed at an opportunity lost. If I am right, while any success for Prometheus will mean more of the same, which is fine by me, I fear it may also likely open the doors for more AvP to join the dots, because FOX just doesn't know how to treat the Alien any more. I'll also add, it doesn't help when you have Sir Riddles saying stuff like 'the Alien has run it's course', that's just BS and annoys the hell out of me. The guy is supposed to be an artist, he's even talked about changing it, and I don't care what anyone says the Alien still has LOADS more to offer. It's all in the presentation as far as I'm concerned, something Scott should be more than capable of but it seems maybe isn't willing to do!
Wow. Luckily, you aren't Ridley Scott! Cos I completely and utterly disagree. I don't want a straight alien prequel, or sequel. I want what we seem to be getting - a new story, not a hack sequel/prequel, but set in the same universe with enough links and easter eggs (ha) to keep those in the know happy. More importantly, I want Ridley Scott to make the creative decisions on such a movie, because us, here, on this forum? We know nothing about actually making a good film.
And "The guy is supposed to be an artist"? .... please. Run that line by me again when you have Ridley Scott's career behind you. If he made a straight up prequel, using the same alien, he'd probably see that as the lesser artistic choice.
That's your opinion and you're welcome to it, I never mentioned anything about a sequel and I'm quite happy for Scott to make his movie, but I stand by my 'opinon' that it's BS for someone who calls himself an artist to just 'call time' on the Alien because others have screwed it up. He obviously intended to make a prequel at one point then Prometheus became something else. Wether it is something much grander we'll just have to see, but having enough links and easter eggs does not necessarily mean anything unless the film is an intended prequel to start with.
There is an opportunity here to take the Alien foward in a new direction, but we are constantly being told that isn't going to happen. Maybe we are all being misled I don't know, but in my opnion, the closer Prometheus is related to Alien the more chance there is to revive the series THEN take it in a new direction. Just because I'm talking prequel doesn't mean there's anything less in the creative process, if anything it would be harder to make a prequel anyway, because you're joining the dots while trying not to do the same again. But if this film remains a stand alone and is a success, while that story continues, I think it will just pave the way for FOX to continue making a fast buck with AvP and ruin anything the original Alien has left....and I just think that's a real shame!
Here is my dream for this movie...
It follows the Engineer Death Cult idea that has been discussed on here. The queen sculpture is representative of a race higher than the engineer, that they worship... that the xeno we know comes from this race and that the engineers worship them. That the engineers were experimenting with this "xeno-esque" dna. It preserves the mystique and unknown surrounding the xeno...
I do hope that the sculpture plays some important part... I don't see how it couldn't, its far to detailed and interesting to just be seen briefly and have nothing else come of it...
That's kind of missing the point...
Quote from: ryanjayhawk on May 19, 2012, 01:39:03 AMThe queen sculpture is representative of a race higher than the engineer, that they worship... [...] I don't see how it couldn't, its far to detailed and interesting to just be seen briefly and have nothing else come of it...
Sorry to burst your bubble on this (I like the idea too) but the far larger and more obvious figure of worship is the giant head, which has been confirmed to be the bust of an engineer. This suggests that the engineers worship a king or chieftain of their own species and not some other species. But...
Spoiler
There are possible ways around that. The engineers at this establishment may have gone rogue and created their own cult against their creators, appropriating their technology in an attempt to either best them or gain freedom from them. This could be what leads to their culling as evidenced by the corpses and the fact that there is only one survivor when the humans arrive.
Also, it has been said by someone who claims to have seen the film that the engineers are a form of early human that were interfered with by the species in the giant saucer, meaning that there most certainly is some higher alien race. If this turns out to be true it stitches Scott's early 'gods and engineers' comments and the Prometheus mythology together quite nicely. Of course massive amounts of salt with these claims, but it is an interesting idea.
Heh, I would've thought that speculating on the plot would lose it's appeal so close to the release date, but it's still fun as all get out. ;D
Quote from: eyeballkid on May 19, 2012, 02:00:39 AM
That's kind of missing the point...
Missing what point... there will be nothing revolutionary in this movie, we were made by engineers... they aren't nice and don't love us... we piss them off, they decide to destroy earth... they don't...
To be perfectly honest, I see Prometheus as a reboot (I hate that term, reminds me of Planet of the Apes), with a few nods to the original to keep us fans happy. The plot has several parallels to Alien and includes scenes that didn't make it the first time round.
Does it worry me that there may not be a direct tie-in to Alien or feature Xenos... No, not at all, it looks like a great ride, and nothing so far has put me off.
If the aliens (in whatever form), not the Engineers, are the one's calling the shots in this movie, I'll be disappointed.
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 18, 2012, 10:13:08 PM
To be honest all I wanted is a true Alien Prequel, not just something that has Space Jockeys and Weyland in there, any fan could write a decent story about that. Alas, even though I'm expecting to see something I'll enjoy, I think I'm going to be disappointed at an opportunity lost. If I am right, while any success for Prometheus will mean more of the same, which is fine by me, I fear it may also likely open the doors for more AvP to join the dots, because FOX just doesn't know how to treat the Alien any more. I'll also add, it doesn't help when you have Sir Riddles saying stuff like 'the Alien has run it's course', that's just BS and annoys the hell out of me. The guy is supposed to be an artist, he's even talked about changing it, and I don't care what anyone says the Alien still has LOADS more to offer. It's all in the presentation as far as I'm concerned, something Scott should be more than capable of but it seems maybe isn't willing to do!
If there is some Xeno in any form in this movie, i hope that Ridley will expand on the xenomorph in the first movie and partially ignore the xeno in Aliens and completely the xeno in further movies.
I really like Aliens, but when i think about it the xeno in Aliens are way less terrifying and mysterious than the one in the first movie. Xeno in Aliens are mere insect like creatures far too easy to kill. If there were at least twice more and better prepared soldiers in Aliens then they would have wiped out all the Xeno perhaps with even less casualties. A few years ago ,my twin brother and I tried to count the number of Xeno killed and we came to the conclusion that the soldiers and Ripley killed almost all the Xeno in the movie before the destruction of the atmospheric processor. This means that a few soldiers were able to kill dozens ,or more likely over one hundred, Xeno in a relative short time and some of the humans even managed to survive. For sure it was very entertaining but this made the xeno weak, well less impressive and frightening than in Alien.
So if there is a Xeno in this movie, or in any other upcoming movie, i sure hope that the Xeno would be a being way more dangerous, powerful and smart than those in Aliens.
An interesting point which can be used to show a different but familiar xeno would be that the one on Alien was extremly young and had to undergo several evolutions to reach its final form which could be the one eventually shown in Prometheus, if there is a Xeno in Prometheus.
Btw, all the xeno we have seen in the movies, besides the queen in AVP, are quite young going from a few hours to a few weeks. How would look a Xeno several years, several decades or several centuries old ? Do they keep growing/evolving such as reptiles ? Do they go through several metamorphis during their lifetime ?
Those are points which can be explored to provide orginal/fresh point of view to the Xeno.
Look aliens are Jockey's biohazard weapons they probably created by mixing DNA from vast amount of creations. "OMG guys tis wil really stop any1 from messing yo!" Says the engineer. Then the humans come and mess things up, experimenting, and create something much worse. "Look at this! Lets push a bunch of buttons in random. Shit, this isn't good." Says Elizabeth. The last engineer gets mad, goes raging over in the humans ship, trying to kill them for what they have caused. "Heyz man! You guys are meanies! Why you go into our crib touching stuff!" Says Engineer. "Monster ahhh!" Says the captain as the engineer gets flamed. "Ouchies!" So all in all the humans actually caused the xenomorph to happen, and thats why weyland wants to get the alien back because it is a threat to humanity. So really, the company wasn't the bad guy. LOL
Quote from: Plokoon111 on May 19, 2012, 05:19:59 PM
Look aliens are Jockey's biohazard weapons they probably created by mixing DNA from vast amount of creations. "OMG guys tis wil really stop any1 from messing yo!" Says the engineer. Then the humans come and mess things up, experimenting, and create something much worse. "Look at this! Lets push a bunch of buttons in random. Shit, this isn't good." Says Elizabeth. The last engineer gets mad, goes raging over in the humans ship, trying to kill them for what they have caused. "Heyz man! You guys are meanies! Why you go into our crib touching stuff!" Says Engineer. "Monster ahhh!" Says the captain as the engineer gets flamed. "Ouchies!" So all in all the humans actually caused the xenomorph to happen, and thats why weyland wants to get the alien back because it is a threat to humanity. So really, the company wasn't the bad guy. LOL
My sources say this is 80% accurate.
I hope that the Engineers are the alien's creators, and that the aliens are subservient to them as oppose to the Engineers being subservient to the xenomorphs and worshiping them. I feel that the Engineers should be more then equip to handle the aliens, since human colonial marines were capable of holding their own against them. And it's assumed the Engineer's technology is superior to humanities.
Quote from: The PredBen on May 20, 2012, 05:12:39 AM
I hope that the Engineers are the alien's creators, and that the aliens are subservient to them as oppose to the Engineers being subservient to the xenomorphs and worshiping them. I feel that the Engineers should be more then equip to handle the aliens, since human colonial marines were capable of holding their own against them. And it's assumed the Engineer's technology is superior to humanities.
I have a feeling that it's going to be The Engineers worshipping the Xenos. Don't know why, but from what has been shown, it certainly hints at it.
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 20, 2012, 05:16:07 AM
Quote from: The PredBen on May 20, 2012, 05:12:39 AM
I hope that the Engineers are the alien's creators, and that the aliens are subservient to them as oppose to the Engineers being subservient to the xenomorphs and worshiping them. I feel that the Engineers should be more then equip to handle the aliens, since human colonial marines were capable of holding their own against them. And it's assumed the Engineer's technology is superior to humanities.
I have a feeling that it's going to be The Engineers worshipping the Xenos. Don't know why, but from what has been shown, it certainly hints at it.
From what my sources say - the xenos are not the end product - but a dangerous intermediate to creating a perfect organism - which looks very human/engineer like - just much greater in every way (resembles the guy with the head in the room). Something goes wrong, and the intermediate stage of creating this Superjockey goes haywire. Part of the creation process requires the infection of Jockeys. One Jockey didn't want to go through with it and so the next stage was never reached. The Jockey works on bypassing this stage. Apparently another intermediate stage ha something to do with human abduction/infection.
The Spacejockeys worship the Super Spacejockey that comes from the use of xenomorphs. They are kind of one in the same - (humans, jockeys, super jockeys) but it is just how they operate, ending life to spur on the next level of their creation. The use and abduction of Earthlings to fuel these experiments is said to be involved.
This is actually just a combination of rumours I'm stringing together - a lot of it sounds familiar I'm sure. I just think that it fits nicely like this. Whether it is true is as dubious as any other claim.
Oooh just read over @ PF that there is a new TV spot floating around that shows a new monster and...
Spoiler
Seriously, this is a big one...
Spoiler
...it grabs the Engineer that is fighting Shaw with it's tentacles.
http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1046/spoilers-inside-just-saw-another-new-tv-spot-on-adult-swim (http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1046/spoilers-inside-just-saw-another-new-tv-spot-on-adult-swim)
Yeah - the reveal is quite major. Holy shit bombs.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 20, 2012, 05:48:23 AM
Oooh just read over @ PF that there is a new TV spot floating around that shows a new monster and...
Spoiler
Seriously, this is a big one...
Spoiler
...it grabs the Engineer that is fighting Shaw with it's tentacles.
It's the mutating Holoway, love child. Protecting mummy so he can eat her itself.
Quote from: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on May 20, 2012, 07:16:52 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 20, 2012, 05:48:23 AM
Oooh just read over @ PF that there is a new TV spot floating around that shows a new monster and...
Spoiler
Seriously, this is a big one...
Spoiler
...it grabs the Engineer that is fighting Shaw with it's tentacles.
It's the mutating Holoway, love child. Protecting mummy so he can eat her itself.
Whatever the case, from that scene in the tv spot alone it can be concluded that the "review" was fake... thank god!
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 20, 2012, 02:15:26 PM
Quote from: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on May 20, 2012, 07:16:52 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 20, 2012, 05:48:23 AM
Oooh just read over @ PF that there is a new TV spot floating around that shows a new monster and...
Spoiler
Seriously, this is a big one...
Spoiler
...it grabs the Engineer that is fighting Shaw with it's tentacles.
It's the mutating Holoway, love child. Protecting mummy so he can eat her itself.
Whatever the case, from that scene in the tv spot alone it can be concluded that the "review" was fake... thank god!
''WHICH'' review'?...
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 20, 2012, 05:48:23 AM
Oooh just read over @ PF that there is a new TV spot floating around that shows a new monster and...
Spoiler
Seriously, this is a big one...
Spoiler
...it grabs the Engineer that is fighting Shaw with it's tentacles.
Where can I see this TV spot?
EDIT - Saw it, now what you guys are taking about now.
HAsnt the aspect of xenos being worshiped as revered animals been a staple since Giger's mural of a xeno in a Nut pose and the SJ's using its eggs in a sacrificial ritual? It wouldnt be too far-fetched for me to see something similar happening here, even if xenos dont show up I can see the idea of murals showcasing this infatuation with the creature
I just got done reading everyones posts about the plot of prometheus and I feel that some of you guys still don't know what this movie is going to be about, or if this is going to be a new movie that does not have to do with anything with the alien movies. This movie is about the orgins of the xeno race, we have to see the space jockeys mostly because they are the ones that make them, they design the xenos too clean up planets.
The science team from the wayland company that we are introduce to us , find the planet were the space jockeys maybe live we don't know yet, they find the sj ship and discover what they do to humans and there plot to come to earth. I feel that this movie will lead us up to the events to the alien movie. From wacthing the trailer and seeing the new poster the planet in the moive is the same planet from the first alien movie, it is very clean that the spaceship prometheus will stop the other ship to going to earth and of coures the people will die in the process and we will see the begings of the eggs and I feel that david the andriod helps starts the xeno creation, with the human dna. From mr scotts quotes about the other ideas that they had , I agree with him about not doing any more alien moives because they did not have any good ideas it died when the last alien movie came out. That is the truth and he is a true artist. We all know that this is the prequel to alien it is very clear.
Quote from: austinsteadman on May 21, 2012, 08:42:38 PM
I just got done reading everyones posts about the plot of prometheus and I feel that some of you guys still don't know what this movie is going to be about, or if this is going to be a new movie that does not have to do with anything with the alien movies. This movie is about the orgins of the xeno race, we have to see the space jockeys mostly because they are the ones that make them, they design the xenos too clean up planets.
The science team from the wayland company that we are introduce to us , find the planet were the space jockeys maybe live we don't know yet, they find the sj ship and discover what they do to humans and there plot to come to earth. I feel that this movie will lead us up to the events to the alien movie. From wacthing the trailer and seeing the new poster the planet in the moive is the same planet from the first alien movie, it is very clean that the spaceship prometheus will stop the other ship to going to earth and of coures the people will die in the process and we will see the begings of the eggs and I feel that david the andriod helps starts the xeno creation, with the human dna. From mr scotts quotes about the other ideas that they had , I agree with him about not doing any more alien moives because they did not have any good ideas it died when the last alien movie came out. That is the truth and he is a true artist. We all know that this is the prequel to alien it is very clear.
I think you are making some bold assumptions. It has already been publicly stated (by Lindelhoff?) that it's NOT the same planet. It even has a different name, LV223 not LV426. Theres only 30 years between the events of Prometheus and Alien, how would the planet go from clear skies in Prometheus to a barren rock with no visibility in 30 years?