[Exclusive] Effects Studio Weta Bringing the Xenomorphs to Life for the FX Alien Series!

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Kradan

Kradan

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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 24, 2022, 09:37:32 AM
The mystery surrounding it was infinitely more compelling than what Covenant told us.

Sorry, but I fail to see that. Crazy android creating Xeno/Proto/Whatevermorph in a cave is infinitely more crazy and intriguing than anything that I could've come up with in my head

And I don't understand that sacred status mystery has, "we must protect it at all costs !" kind of attitude.. Like, whatever, if an interesting story comes out of it

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 24, 2022, 09:54:36 AM
Exactly. So why do we need a whole series of films trying to solve that mystery? The mystery had no bearing on the story and wasn't anything that ever needed solving.

Same goes for the history of the guy in the chair in Alien.

Resolving mystery is just an excuse for exploring weird-ass themes of what is God, creation, life and so on and so forth blah blah blah. Prometheus and Covenant might've been marketed to you like that but they're not really about just resolving any mysteries for the hell of resolving mysteries

You can complain about "Then why didn't he just made a stand-alone sci-fi movie without dragging Alien into it" all you want but unfortunately there's that thing called brand recognition in Hollywood. If anything, Prometheus proves that Ridley did triy to create a standalone sci-fi movie. And what studio did to him ? "Nah, we need Aliens back"

HuDaFuK

Quote from: Kradan on Jan 24, 2022, 10:06:10 AMSorry, but I fail to see that. Crazy android creating Xeno/Proto/Whatevermorph in a cave is infinitely more crazy and intriguing than anything that I could've come up with in my head

For me, it makes the Alien fundamentally un-alien. It's just man-made by proxy. And I find that eye-rollingly trite.

I'm not suggesting everyone needs to agree with that.

anibo

Just wanted to share the first design here as well, in case someone missed it https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=65409.0

Stitch

Quote from: Kradan on Jan 24, 2022, 10:06:10 AM
Crazy android creating Xeno/Proto/Whatevermorph in a cave is infinitely more crazy and intriguing than anything that I could've come up with in my head

The problem is that what the story boils down to is that the company made them. Yes, it's by way of a malfunctioning Android in a cave. But the Android is company property, and the direct creation of Peter Weyland.
Having the alien be a creation of Weyland-Yutani is just trite, and boring.

SiL

A human in a suit made humans who made fake humans who made an Alien to kill real humans

It's just people all the f**king way down and that's not what I'm here for in my scifi. I like humanity small and insignificant stepping out into uncharted darkness, not the center of all drama in the cosmos.

Kradan

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 24, 2022, 11:03:46 AM
For me, it makes the Alien fundamentally un-alien. It's just man-made by proxy. And I find that eye-rollingly trite.

I'm not suggesting everyone needs to agree with that.

David didn't create Black Goo though. I'm personally find it kinda ironic (in a good way) that there's much more in common between humanity and ultimate cosmic horror that is Alien. It turns Alien into a representation of all what is usually kept hidden inside a human being, of the darkest desires of human's mind and soul. It may be frustrating on a narrative level but as far as themes movies play with I dig it

Voodoo Magic

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 24, 2022, 09:37:32 AM
Yeah, I've really never understood Ridley's hard-on for explaining the Alien's origins.

The mystery surrounding it was infinitely more compelling than what Covenant told us.

I unequivocally, wholeheartedly agree.

100%!

Kradan

That mystery isn't that vast though. There's two possibilities really: Space Jockey used Alien eggs as a weapon or it belonged to a peaceful race and found them somewhere and was transporting them somewhere else. Wow, how exciting

skhellter

deranged-psychopath-sex-obsessed-android finds an ancient bioweapon and fine tunes it to become a monster that will kill and rape all of mankind in a cosmic act of revenge.

vs

random scary space bug that someone finds on a rock.




Finding it really hard to tell what's the most interesting take here.

Voodoo Magic

Quote from: skhellter on Jan 24, 2022, 02:25:16 PM
deranged-psychopath-sex-obsessed-android finds an ancient bioweapon and fine tunes it to become a monster that will kill and rape all of mankind in a cosmic act of revenge.

vs

random scary space bug that someone finds on a rock.




Finding it really hard to tell what's the most interesting take here.

Of course your choice of words certainly doesn't put a finger on the scale...  ::)

Kradan


skhellter

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 24, 2022, 02:30:28 PM
Of course your choice of words certainly doesn't put a finger on the scale...  ::)


oduodu

oduodu

#72
Quote from: SiL on Jan 24, 2022, 11:29:51 AM
A human in a suit made humans who made fake humans who made an Alien to kill real humans

It's just people all the f**king way down and that's not what I'm here for in my scifi. I like humanity small and insignificant stepping out into uncharted darkness, not the center of all drama in the cosmos.

this^^^^👌

that's why i love alien.  everything now is no more "alien"

and oh yes all about teenagers.....

SiL

Quote from: skhellter on Jan 24, 2022, 02:25:16 PM
deranged-psychopath-sex-obsessed-android finds an ancient bioweapon and fine tunes it to become a monster that will kill and rape all of mankind in a cosmic act of revenge.

vs

random scary space bug that someone finds on a rock.

Finding it really hard to tell what's the most interesting take here.
Easy, it's the latter.

The former reduces everything of any importance in the story's universe to being intimately related to humanity. In all of space, humans are Super Special and everything is all about Us.

The latter presents a cosmos that is vast and ancient and indifferent to our survival. We aren't special. We aren't handmade by other humans and we aren't the specific target of anyone or anything's malice. We drift through the void and find other lifeforms also struggling to survive in the emptiness - and find they've done a much better job adapting.

Kradan

Kradan

#74


Stories are about humans one way or another, no matter what your heroes/villains are or what setting you put them in - fantasy or sci-fi, past, present, future etc. It's all about reflecting on humans' nature. So you might as well literally put humans at the top of the piedestal of universe


Quote from: oduodu on Jan 24, 2022, 07:06:53 PM
and oh yes all about teenagers.....

Sorrywhat ?

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