OWLF Recordings

Started by Corporal Hicks, Apr 24, 2020, 07:15:49 PM

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Sabres21768

Sabres21768

#90
It seems that
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Keyes may be a new player character in a future update.
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Xiggz456

Xiggz456

#91
Very cool! Just listened and loved it! And as others have stated we now know that Predators takes place after The Predator.

SuperiorIronman

SuperiorIronman

#92
So instead of a Predator killer player character we get that it's a barely functional prototype Fugitive had no business actually bringing to Earth and Assassin had no reason to actually go after him over? A barely functioning "weapon" that would've been a lot of fun to actually use but we're potentially getting a playable Sean Keyes, f**k off. I get that after the shit the studio put Boyd Holdbrook through he probably doesn't wanna come back but that's a complete waste. At least give the damn thing to Sean so it'd make more sense why he can suddenly take on a Predator.

Like a way you could've made that work is that Assassin answered to her and Fugitive knowing Cleopatra is a f**king lunatic ran off with her gear and ended up on Earth to try and get the suit to somebody who'd know how to study it and his biology to realize the Predators are making mutants and superweapons. He ends up with Stargazer and not the OWLF and think's he needs to bolt which leads to his death. It's a gift but he didn't make it to the right people. This would've explained his capture as he left the gauntlet for an OWLF agent, he got Quinn, the agents arrive, but he got Stargazer, he attacks the lab when he realizes the OWLF is gone and needs to bolt. You could explain the necessity for Cleopatra doing this by expanding on her fight with Dutch. Maybe Dutch is such a bad ass that Cleopatra needs to cheat. She can't take him in a fair fight and needs to be amped up in order to bring her down.

Instead they chose the lamest answer they could when you could've easily fixed the fourth film's plot threads from the rewrite and weaved it into the ongoing narrative. Instead it's this detour that makes even less sense now that Illfonic has had its hands on it.

Mr.Turok

Mr.Turok

#93
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jul 02, 2021, 01:21:45 AM
You could explain the necessity for Cleopatra doing this by expanding on her fight with Dutch. Maybe Dutch is such a bad ass that Cleopatra needs to cheat. She can't take him in a fair fight and needs to be amped up in order to bring her down.

Instead they chose the lamest answer they could when you could've easily fixed the fourth film's plot threads from the rewrite and weaved it into the ongoing narrative. Instead it's this detour that makes even less sense now that Illfonic has had its hands on it.

I could have argued that, since the writers built up Cleopatra to be this hardcore badass elite Predator, that Dutch had to call in the Predator Killer suit just to make things even. Even Keyes mentioned that Dutch has no chance on his own end practically begged Dutch to cash in a few favors or bring in another team to back him up, let him help Dutch, knowing that Cleo would be even too much for the Predator Hunter himself. Dutch remembers the suit and asks for it to bring down Cleo, setting up for an interesting battle.

As for the Predator Killer, while I didn't like the concept, they really didn't need to make it a total piece of shit tech. All the advanced tech they have and somehow they can't get a power armor right? Weak to small arms fire, really? Never thought of using the same metal that makes up their armor? It just seems to make the Predators themselves even more moronic then ever before. It would have been just fine to say that Keyes and his team have difficulty powering it up past the 24 second mark before overload, and soon enough out of desperation, Dutch and Keyes figure it out to make it last long enough to take down Cleo once and for all. After the battle, the suit could be damaged outright unusable, ending the Predator Killer once and for all.

What I also got me slighted is that Keyes is so unimpressed with the suit that he barely even mentions how the nanotechnological achievements they can get from learning how to make powered armor store away in a gauntlet. Veritanium is the alloy made from Earth/Predator metals that is denser and stronger than both metals right? Can't they just learn how to replace some of the metal with that alloy and make it work or at least make an human variation of the Predator Killer that suits more to human needs made out of that alloy? They didn't need to dismiss it entirely, there were ways to work with it, but instead they threw away some possibly good story here.

Agent Aztlan

Agent Aztlan

#94
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Jul 02, 2021, 03:39:35 AM
What I also got me slighted is that Keyes is so unimpressed with the suit that he barely even mentions how the nanotechnological achievements they can get from learning how to make powered armor store away in a gauntlet. Veritanium is the alloy made from Earth/Predator metals that is denser and stronger than both metals right? Can't they just learn how to replace some of the metal with that alloy and make it work or at least make an human variation of the Predator Killer that suits more to human needs made out of that alloy? They didn't need to dismiss it entirely, there were ways to work with it, but instead they threw away some possibly good story here.
Knowing there are 5-6 years between The Predator and Hunting Grounds, and that the Fireteam can pick up Veritanium during missions, I think the OWLF is working on an upgraded Predator Killer or accessories/weapons based on the prototype.

Why showing a post-credits with Rory, McKenna, a specialist in cybernetics and the Predator Killer, and talking about it in Hunting Grounds being a prototype, if it's for not working on it during all these years?
Maybe we will see a future DLC with McKenna wearing an upgraded armor, joining Dutch, Dante and Isabelle.

Xiggz456

Xiggz456

#95
In my mind when they went to power up the PK suit they couldn't figure out how to properly operate the suit so it shuts down on them. Or it needs to be connected to a Predator power source that the humans haven't acquired yet. Either way I'm not bothered by that aspect of the new recordings.

SuperiorIronman

SuperiorIronman

#96
It just feels like wasted potential since as is it's thrown in the trash. And it hurts the fourth film more because it now had no reason to even be here. A few ways do exist to bring it back but as it's a waste. Like perhaps detailing a story of how it ended up in storage or maybe use it with Dutch to explain how he'd beat Cleopatra, but no it's in the garbage. Thing is for as bad an idea it is on film, it'd work fine for a videogame. A power suit as an upgrade for fireteam or a kind of Predator class would've been something but instead they chose to ignore it probably to get another football player or an OC Predator. And even if the design was a problem who cares? They've changed everyone else for 2025 depictions.

I know they've said they're not writers and to me it really showed here.

Voodoo Magic

Voodoo Magic

#97
I have to agree with the general notion that the
first recordings of Keyes and Dutch were substantially better than Keyes Part II. The first recordings wonderfully filled in gaps in the Predator lore timeline, course corrected Stargazer to more of a villain organization, brought back OWLF, gave us the full backstory of what happened to Dutch after 1987. It righted so many wrongs! Outstanding. 👏

This second batch of recordings definitely did not live up to the first. There was was certainly more fluff over substance this time around.

The single recording dedicated to Isabelle's return was definitely fluff and disappointing, especially when it's stacked against the wonderful Dutch tapes. Tell us more about how living was like on the Reserve Planet. Maybe her & Royce teamed up with another human, or with a River Ghost and developed some sort of primitive crude sign language, acknowledging to work together to fight a common enemy. How did Isabelle acquire the ship? How did she understand the language? How did Royce and her split up? Maybe Royce stayed back at the last minute to create a diversion for another Super Predator so Isabelle could safely launch from the planet? Keyes has Isabelle's ship now in possession - what kind of great accomplishment is that? Nope, we basically got basically nothing.

And I can appreciate the desire to minimize, diminish and retcon as much of the lore damage The Predator caused, but the Predator Killer Suit = ineffective prototype was definitely weak sauce. Maybe have a Predator come back and steal it back even. Something. But this?

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jul 02, 2021, 01:21:45 AM
At least give the damn thing to Sean so it'd make more sense why he can suddenly take on a Predator.

Putting the Predator Killer suit in action on Keyes would just logically demand the technology reverse engineered and more suits put in action. So to me, I agree the 'how' they killed the suit was dumb, but killing the suit was the right way to go, necessary course correction.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jul 02, 2021, 01:21:45 AM
You could explain the necessity for Cleopatra doing this by expanding on her fight with Dutch. Maybe Dutch is such a bad ass that Cleopatra needs to cheat. She can't take him in a fair fight and needs to be amped up in order to bring her down.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jul 02, 2021, 12:09:42 PM
Like perhaps detailing a story of how it ended up in storage or maybe use it with Dutch to explain how he'd beat Cleopatra, but no it's in the garbage.

Are you under the impression that Dutch beat Cleopatra? Because in the recordings and the prequel novel Predator Stalking Shadows, Cleo owned Dutch's ass. She killed Dutch's entire team, handed Dutch's ass to him, scarred his face with a net gun and then let Dutch barely live as a warning. So there's no reason why Cleopatra would need the Predator Killer Suit to fight Dutch.

SuperiorIronman

SuperiorIronman

#98
I'm saying that we're building up to it and with my suggestion of Cleo needing to cheat we flashback to the fight and we see that Dutch actually did more damage than he thought. Her pinning him to a wall and killing his buddies is out of spite as she's getting out of there. Now it's been awhile since the novel and I'm likely wrong but I'm only suggesting an avenue for how the suit could've been used rather than how it was.

I'm trying to suggest a better alternative than actively making the fourth film worse. I get it that people didn't like it but they had prime opportunity to fix it and they chose to f**k it up more.

Voodoo Magic

Voodoo Magic

#99
Yeah, I can get that frustration.

Mr.Turok

Mr.Turok

#100
Quote from: Agent Aztlan on Jul 02, 2021, 08:31:04 AM
Knowing there are 5-6 years between The Predator and Hunting Grounds, and that the Fireteam can pick up Veritanium during missions, I think the OWLF is working on an upgraded Predator Killer or accessories/weapons based on the prototype.

Why showing a post-credits with Rory, McKenna, a specialist in cybernetics and the Predator Killer, and talking about it in Hunting Grounds being a prototype, if it's for not working on it during all these years?
Maybe we will see a future DLC with McKenna wearing an upgraded armor, joining Dutch, Dante and Isabelle.

I hope they are working on it for story's sake. Keyes is a scientist and yet misses out on the possibilities of it all despite collecting Predator tech for years for said possibilities. Again, I can't stress this enough that the nanotechnology they have to study from would already be a boon to science and technology at such a unimaginable rate, just completely hand waved.

Speaking of possibilities, Keyes never even mentions the ship Isabelle showed up in or even the notion of Super Predators. He is already unnerved at the notion of Predators capturing humans and other beings to be hunted off world, but the notion of the criminal versions of the mainstream Predators who have no code of honor to inhibit them to do their worse should also have been noted by him. A group that hunts even their own should have been a game changer for OWLF to look out for. I mean, he did mentioned it in a way but it felt like he was generalizing all Predators and not the fact that this is even a deadlier fraction than the ones he is familiar with. That and the fact that they have a ship now to study also Keyes did not mention at all either, despite in a previous tape that how valuable and priceless having a ship would be yet nothing about it in the tapes before it.

I have to agree with Voodoo Magic on this one, this set isn't as strong as the first one. I liked the first half of the new set. Keyes talking about his experience at Stargazer, feeling helpless to stop them and trying to find ways to fight from within and the events during The Predator. After that, some of the tapes were less than what I hoped such as the examples I talked about earlier. Good but not great as the first set. Shame really.

SuperiorIronman

SuperiorIronman

#101
Another link the suit could've made was with the supers. What if it was the supers planning to invade and take Earth from the regular Yaujta? The suit is then brought to us and to help fight off the supers but Fugitive didn't make it to the right people and he risks having died in vain. So when the presence of another similar case shows up with a group of Predators with a similar aesthetic, it suddenly means Fugitive might've been trying to warn us of something before he got bodied into a car.

And that's something they could've worked with regarding bringing in Predators. They don't want a live specimen especially after 2018 but they might've just screwed themselves since any number of Predators Voodoo bagged had information regarding the coming threat. In this way the player becomes a bit more invested because they might've just shot themselves in the foot once the Super Predator class arrives. Illfonic has had 2 years to figure out how players act and so can build a killing machine to counter them meaning that by playing the game we've essentially built the new Predator meta through the lore and how players play the game.

Xiggz456

Xiggz456

#102
So I agree that this batch of recordings was probably the weakest of the 3 but I thoroughly enjoyed the explanations regarding the downfall of OWLF to the rise and fall of Stargazer to the need for Team Voodoo as Stargazer's rogue elements were destabilizing regions across the world. It ultimately looped the game and it's objectives into the timeline which I thought was pretty cool.

Mr.Turok

Mr.Turok

#103
Is it wrong for me to say that axing out the continuation of OWLF is such a lame idea? I like how the writers made OWLF into an actual full fleshed out organization that is working hard to defend humanity rather then as a small footnote in Predator 2. Its like a small contrast compared to Weyland Yutani where one is a large and influential company that can control the government, exploits to use as weapons in the name of profit and power and the other is a smaller military organization that uses its knowledge to prevent further harm to Earth.

SuperiorIronman

SuperiorIronman

#104
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Jul 03, 2021, 11:13:33 PM
Is it wrong for me to say that axing out the continuation of OWLF is such a lame idea? I like how the writers made OWLF into an actual full fleshed out organization that is working hard to defend humanity rather then as a small footnote in Predator 2. Its like a small contrast compared to Weyland Yutani where one is a large and influential company that can control the government, exploits to use as weapons in the name of profit and power and the other is a smaller military organization that uses its knowledge to prevent further harm to Earth.

It's likely tying up any loose ends before Fox loses the license. Probably so future writers can start fresh and if Fox does hang onto it, it becomes a post-The Predator status-quo. Not quite back where we started but pretty close to keep things consistent.

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