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Title: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Gazz on Feb 11, 2016, 12:01:51 AM
Danny McBride to Join Michael Fassbender in Ridley Scott's 'Alien: Covenant'

QuoteThe "Eastbound & Down" star is in early discussions to join 20th Century Fox's blockbuster sci-fi movie.

Following a hilarious run as Kenny Powers on HBO's "Eastbound & Down," Danny McBride is preparing to move from comedy to sci-fi, as he's in early discussions to co-star in Ridley Scott's big-budget blockbuster "Alien: Covenant," TheWrap has learned.

Michael Fassbender is reprising his role from "Prometheus," and he'll be joined by Katherine Waterston as the series' new female lead.
The director's company Scott Free is producing the tentpole for 20th Century Fox, which like McBride's representatives, declined to comment.

The film is a major coup for McBride, as not only will it allow him to show off more of his range as a performer, but he'll also have a chance to work with Scott. Like the director, McBride is a true cinephile, and the duo are said to have hit it off while discussing old movies.


http://www.thewrap.com/danny-mcbride-to-join-michael-fassbender-in-ridley-scotts-alien-covenant-exclusive/
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 11, 2016, 12:33:49 AM
I'm okay with that.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Astronoë on Feb 11, 2016, 12:57:33 AM
Kenny powers? Uh...plz god no..he is funny, but I haven't seen him trying to do serious movies...

it appears the story you linked to, has been removed, a rumor only then?
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 11, 2016, 12:59:01 AM
Interesting casting if true, I would have to see it before passing judgment.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 11, 2016, 01:28:55 AM
I don't know what I think of this. I hope he won't be COMIC RELIEF. I could see McBride actually being a decent actor if he were to take on a serious role, but would not like his comic style in an Alien film whatsoever.
Remember Paul Reiser was a comic as well. That worked in ALIENS.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Richman678 on Feb 11, 2016, 01:58:26 AM
IGN is now reporting it too.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2016/02/11/danny-mcbride-in-talks-to-join-alien-covenant

Ridley did say he was going for a hard R rating. I hope McBride swears like a sailor through out all of it.

Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: T Dog on Feb 11, 2016, 02:11:22 AM
I LOVE Danny McBride. Funniest man alive as far as I'm concerned and an amazing screen presence.
I could see him bringing some serious old school hard headedness similar to Parker, in that he is a argumentative but an ally.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Astronoë on Feb 11, 2016, 04:07:23 AM
If true, he's the new Hudson?

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Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 11, 2016, 04:35:05 AM
I think he has potential here.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 11, 2016, 07:46:18 AM
Thanks for the news, Gazz. I've corrected your link as it was correct.

So I'm seeing some panic about this over on other communities and feel the need to point out that Jim Cameron has made use of comedic actors for very serious roles. There's a quote from Joss Whedon (which I can't recall at the minute or find because I heard it on the Serenity commentary track) about comedic actors making the best dramatic actors.

He's not who I'd have ever figured for the film but we'll see.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Primordial on Feb 11, 2016, 07:58:33 AM
I don't know so many actors as you people but Bryan Cranston comes to my mind, although it was for a series and not a movie.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 11, 2016, 08:05:34 AM
Hollywood Reporter confirmed this too. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/danny-mcbride-talks-ridley-scotts-864052
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: T Dog on Feb 11, 2016, 12:30:15 PM
Danny McBride can also play very very dark as well, don't forget that!
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Feb 11, 2016, 12:47:52 PM
The role could do for him what Aliens did for Bill Paxton and The Truman Show did for Jim Carrey
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 11, 2016, 01:10:05 PM
Time to put some Tiger Balm on this Alien's nuts!

Love Danny McBride.  He was perfectly evil in This Is The End...


If this turns out to be the Tropic Thunder in outer space, I'm in.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 11, 2016, 03:34:54 PM
Well, ol' Riddles is now a noted comedy director (The Martian recently won a Golden Globe for best comedy), so maybe he'll push hard for lots of lols in Alien: Covenant as well? Maybe try and hook in an Oscar or two for best comedy as well?  :P
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: irn on Feb 11, 2016, 03:40:07 PM
Comedians are often the best drama actors. As comedy is mostly about emotion and timing they have no problem playing dark and believable serious characters.

It will be interesting to see how Danny McBridge pulls it off. He's a hilarious guy so I hope it works out.

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Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 11, 2016, 04:59:36 PM
Awesome lol. I'm happy Ridley has a niche for good f**king comedy. Parker, Brett, Fifield, Milburn. All the actors who he has chose to play down to earth, no bullshit characters have been perfect. Funny as hell. Scott has some swag in that field for sure.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 11, 2016, 06:26:17 PM
Quote from: Chronicle on Feb 11, 2016, 04:59:36 PM
Fifield, Milburn. --- no bullshit characters

YMMV.  :D
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 11, 2016, 10:25:32 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 11, 2016, 06:26:17 PM
Quote from: Chronicle on Feb 11, 2016, 04:59:36 PM
Fifield, Milburn. --- no bullshit characters

YMMV.  :D
Cause falling into black ooze while high is always hilarious. In hindsight maybe they should have had an engineer chasing them throughout the complex to the tune of Benny Hill. Two bungling earthlings out smart the engineer and he's the one to fall into the black goo.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Mustangjeff on Feb 11, 2016, 11:25:19 PM
All I can do is imagine him doing this kind of commentary while exploring an engineer structure/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTzoXh0f6nc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTzoXh0f6nc)

Xenoligist say this old derelict is 100 years old and holds 1000 mysteries..  Or is it 1000 years old and a hundred mysteries :)
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 12, 2016, 01:29:55 PM
Just watched a couple of Youtube videos starring McBride - he looks and sounds like someone you'd find behind the wheel of a semi or seated on the back of a Harley. In other words, he'd probably make a great space trucker.

Waterston is also handsome rather than drop-dead-gorgeous-supermodel beautiful. Kind of like Sigourney Weaver and Veronica Cartwright back then.

Could the crew of the Covenant be space truckers like in the first film? But instead of hauling mineral ore they are transporting an entire colony ensconced in cryotubes? Will we see a return to the grungy aesthetic of the first film?

Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: T Dog on Feb 12, 2016, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 12, 2016, 01:29:55 PM
Could the crew of the Covenant be space truckers like in the first film? But instead of hauling mineral ore they are transporting an entire colony ensconced in cryotubes? Will we see a return to the grungy aesthetic of the first film?
I f**king hope so!
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 12, 2016, 02:23:38 PM
I can almost imagine the Covenant being some kind of futuristic Irish famine ship (aka coffin ship) transporting poor and desperate people half-way across the galaxy, hoping for a better life and to escape the dismal conditions back on a Bladerunner-esque earth. Everything would be run-down, broken and dirty, crewed by space truckers with iffy morals hoping to make a quick buck.


Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Astronoë on Feb 12, 2016, 06:57:42 PM
Doubt Weyland corp would fund some random people with no skills to go to the other side of the galaxy...considering how much old man weyland had to pay for the previous trip. i would guess it would be military types n scientists like at the Alien 4 research ship. Bet they will be very heavily armed.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 12, 2016, 07:48:50 PM
Quote from: Astronoë on Feb 12, 2016, 06:57:42 PM
Doubt Weyland corp would fund some random people with no skills to go to the other side of the galaxy...considering how much old man weyland had to pay for the previous trip. i would guess it would be military types n scientists like at the Alien 4 research ship. Bet they will be very heavily armed.

If that's the case, then how did Brett and Parker get on the Nostromo?
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 12, 2016, 08:15:50 PM
Quote from: Astronoë on Feb 12, 2016, 06:57:42 PM
Doubt Weyland corp would fund some random people with no skills to go to the other side of the galaxy...considering how much old man weyland had to pay for the previous trip. i would guess it would be military types n scientists like at the Alien 4 research ship. Bet they will be very heavily armed.

Who said they will get a free ride? The owners of the famine ships made good profits transporting desperate people packed in like sardines across the Atlantic. They would likely have to cough-up their life-savings or enter indentured servitude to pay for the trip.

Miners and their families would also be a likely possibility like the colonists in Aliens.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 12, 2016, 08:56:23 PM
Oh come on now the ship is called the Covenant. Maybe it's filled with a bunch of prisoners who made a deal with God to live forever. :P

That or a shake and bake colony.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: itshouldneverhavebeenabug on Feb 12, 2016, 10:21:46 PM
The Eighth Passenger: Could the crew of the Covenant be space truckers like in the first film? But instead of hauling mineral ore they are transporting an entire colony ensconced in cryotubes? Will we see a return to the grungy aesthetic of the first film?

That's a really good idea. I can imagine if Sir Ridley reads this he'll at least sketch a few drawings from it, even just to satisfy the artist in him one evening. There's so much you could do with how this ship would look like, sets, scenes, writing, proto storyboards Really like it.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Astronoë on Feb 13, 2016, 12:25:02 AM
Well, they need people with some level of professionalism to get shit home, not just go off into the void n then get recked..waste of money..but then again movies are so stupid...always need dumb reasons so there will be action..,.le sigh..


Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 12, 2016, 07:48:50 PMIf that's the case, then how did Brett and Parker get on the Nostromo?

That was just some freighter going back n forth, was randomly picked due to location, I suppose. I can't imagine it was planned way in advance for a particular ship..
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: mace-in-the-face on Feb 13, 2016, 02:55:31 AM
Jesus Shit. I now have ZERO hope for this movie. Why doesn't Ridley Scott sign Seth Rogen and James Franco too? How about Melissa McCarthy while he's at it? f**k.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: david8 on Feb 13, 2016, 09:36:11 AM
Overreacting a little mace-in-the-face, it doesn't follow that Scott will cast actors McBride has worked prominently with, we don't know what kind of character McBride may potentially play, I say give him a chance and reserve judgement until the film is released.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Stolen on Feb 13, 2016, 12:58:34 PM
Interesting choice!! He's a very good actor. Would be perfect for a role like Parker.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: mace-in-the-face on Feb 14, 2016, 06:41:58 AM
Quote from: david8 on Feb 13, 2016, 09:36:11 AM
Overreacting a little mace-in-the-face, it doesn't follow that Scott will cast actors McBride has worked prominently with, we don't know what kind of character McBride may potentially play, I say give him a chance and reserve judgement until the film is released.

Famous last words. This is shaping up to be another AVP Requiem.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: blood. on Feb 14, 2016, 07:17:05 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 12, 2016, 01:29:55 PM
Just watched a couple of Youtube videos starring McBride - he looks and sounds like someone you'd find behind the wheel of a semi or seated on the back of a Harley. In other words, he'd probably make a great space trucker.

Seems like the kind of character to reminisce about the Microsoft wars.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: future_Tarzan³ on Feb 14, 2016, 08:18:38 AM
somebody make an img of a chest burster coming out of danny mcbride please
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Gazz on Feb 14, 2016, 10:12:12 AM
Quote from: mace-in-the-face on Feb 14, 2016, 06:41:58 AM
Quote from: david8 on Feb 13, 2016, 09:36:11 AM
Overreacting a little mace-in-the-face, it doesn't follow that Scott will cast actors McBride has worked prominently with, we don't know what kind of character McBride may potentially play, I say give him a chance and reserve judgement until the film is released.

Famous last words. This is shaping up to be another AVP Requiem.

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Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Haedo on Feb 14, 2016, 02:17:07 PM
I like Eastbound and Down...can't keep a straight face thinking of Danny in a serious Alien film
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Xenomorph_2099 on Feb 15, 2016, 09:01:10 PM
Well....that's a first, a comedy movie actor moving towards Si-Fi....at least we have a director this time unlike AVP:R.Also on a further note, I'm happy that the Alien and Predator franchises are moving forward, and not deeper down a black hole of no return, along with the hype of AVP fights in Mortal Kombat X, I actually hope that the Aliens VS Predator franchise can move foward as a movie franchise later in the future.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 16, 2016, 09:25:17 AM
Quote from: mace-in-the-face on Feb 13, 2016, 02:55:31 AMJesus Shit. I now have ZERO hope for this movie.

Remember when Paul Reiser was only known for standup, sitcoms and Beverly Hills Cop...?

Quote from: Xenomorph_2099 on Feb 15, 2016, 09:01:10 PMWell....that's a first, a comedy movie actor moving towards Si-Fi....

Again, Paul Reiser begs to differ.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 16, 2016, 09:47:06 AM
I really don't think there's anything to worry about just because he was a comedy actor. As we've pointed out before, serious films have had comedic actors in them plenty of times.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 16, 2016, 03:44:24 PM
I think he'll do a good job, I could see him pulling off a serious performance no problem.

Danny McBride is what the deacon turned into!
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 16, 2016, 03:52:39 PM
Danny McBride has really great potential for this film.  I can see him unloading on the Aliens in a big way in a "turn of the tides" moment...
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: DarkXeno on Feb 16, 2016, 06:45:08 PM
I think it's awesome!
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: mace-in-the-face on Feb 17, 2016, 03:22:30 AM
Quote from: Xenomorph_2099 on Feb 15, 2016, 09:01:10 PM
Well....that's a first, a comedy movie actor moving towards Si-Fi....at least we have a director this time unlike AVP:R.Also on a further note, I'm happy that the Alien and Predator franchises are moving forward, and not deeper down a black hole of no return, along with the hype of AVP fights in Mortal Kombat X, I actually hope that the Aliens VS Predator franchise can move foward as a movie franchise later in the future.

How are franchises getting sequel-ed and rebooted into infinity considered moving forward?

Gazz, mentality like that is what gets us AVP Requiems.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 16, 2016, 09:25:17 AM
Remember when Paul Reiser was only known for standup, sitcoms and Beverly Hills Cop...?

Who the hell remembers Paul Reiser? Aliens was like his one and only serious role.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 17, 2016, 08:41:21 AM
Quote from: mace-in-the-face on Feb 17, 2016, 03:22:30 AMWho the hell remembers Paul Reiser? Aliens was like his one and only serious role.

Congrats on completely missing the point...

It was an example of a person known exclusively for comedy going serious and pulling it off. I could also have gone with Michael Keaton in Batman.

There's no reason to presume McBride couldn't do the same.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: dallevalle on Feb 17, 2016, 03:03:12 PM
Well this is perfect he can play a burke type of character ( a real A-Hole)

So im very cool with this.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: mace-in-the-face on Feb 17, 2016, 10:21:22 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 17, 2016, 08:41:21 AM
Quote from: mace-in-the-face on Feb 17, 2016, 03:22:30 AMWho the hell remembers Paul Reiser? Aliens was like his one and only serious role.

Congrats on completely missing the point...

It was an example of a person known exclusively for comedy going serious and pulling it off. I could also have gone with Michael Keaton in Batman.

There's no reason to presume McBride couldn't do the same.

He didn't pull it off, he got killed.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 18, 2016, 01:45:49 PM
Quote
He didn't pull it off, he got killed.

Again I think you're missing the point, him getting killed in the movie has nothing to do with his excellent performance as a company slime ball.

Reiser was known for comedy, he took a serious role in aliens and did a great job. It is an example of why McBride could do a good job in Covenant as well.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 18, 2016, 04:41:56 PM
Reiser's Burke from Aliens was the ultimate depiction of a greedy eighties yuppie.  He literally killed it in that role.  What was frightening was how easily one could imagine meeting this guy for cocktails after work on Wall Street and then having him stab you in the back with no remorse.  He was the ultimate psycho in that film.  The character reminds me of Paul Bernardo, a vicious killer from Ontario, Canada.


What was particularly brilliantly executed by Burke was that as a complete sociopath, he did not see himself as evil.  He was completely internally oblivious to the terrible things he was doing because of his materialistic, greedy outlook.  We encounter people like this in real life, and until they cross that line, we tolerate them, and more often then not, we revere them as captains of industry.  It was such a great statement on humanity and played so well by Reiser.  He was the Perfect Organism that Ash spoke of when he said "no conscience, no delusions of morality".  Just a simple, low-life, animal, disguised as a human being.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: NickisSmart on Feb 21, 2016, 05:27:23 AM
Complete sociopath is a bit much, but I think the performance was good. Nothing epic. He seemed out of his depth, kind of bumbling.

Danny's in a similar position to Paul, I think, but he loves movies (just watch Tropic Thunder to see what I mean). What we see of actors is just a facade or a mask, half the time. Sometimes it's real, sometimes it's the assumed director, sometimes it's the actor taking charge. I'm sure Danny, if he's eager to try something different, has a large knowledge of films to work with for inspiration.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 21, 2016, 06:45:37 AM
I loved Tropic Thunder.  That's like my Catcher in the Rye.

It's a bit frightening that you don't think Burke was a complete sociopath.  He has no guilt over sending 150 colonists to their death.  He's still thinking about being "set for life".  That's a sociopath.  What makes it even worse is just what Ripley said, "don't you have any idea what you've done here?".  He has no clue of what he did, because his brain is not wired to distinguish that sort of right from wrong.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Primordial on Feb 21, 2016, 06:54:15 AM
"This is so nuts. I mean, listen- Listen to what you're saying. It's paranoid delusion. How- It's really sad. It's pathetic."

From Xenopedia : Burke was a textbook example of a sociopath; a consumate liar and emotional manipulator that lacked any conscience and human feeling save anger and fear. When his deceptions became clear to the survivors and Burke was cornered, he demonstrated the definitive sociopathic trait of employing mocking sarcasm to deflect responsibility from himself.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Infected on Feb 21, 2016, 03:18:56 PM
He can play a good Burke.


Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 22, 2016, 08:59:32 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 21, 2016, 06:45:37 AMI loved Tropic Thunder.  That's like my Catcher in the Rye.

I really thought I'd hate Tropic Thunder because I'm not a Ben Stiller fan, but it was brilliant

"I'm gon' go potty. Wanna hold ma dick?"
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 22, 2016, 09:24:11 AM
Paul Reiser played the perfect sociopath in aliens. The man made the aliens almost look like the nice guys for f**ks sake. :P

Ripley: You know, Burke, I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them f**king each other over for a goddamn percentage.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Astronoë on Feb 23, 2016, 03:04:54 AM
Quote from: Infected on Feb 21, 2016, 03:18:56 PM
He can play a good Burke.

I doubt that...more like a joke version of that character...
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2016, 04:16:55 AM
The thing about Burke is that he has an outer veil of civility and politesse.  He comes across as a man of wealth and taste, but underneath that is the devil himself.  Now Danny McBride basically plays the same character in all his films, and he is an uncouth brute.  He is basically expected to be a bad guy on some level, whereas Paul Reiser is not.  One is capable of machinations and intrigue, while the other wears his crude intentions on his sleeve.  Both work well as villains but they are very different.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 23, 2016, 04:37:59 AM
Burke has the added layer of being clearly delusional and disconnected. There are several instances where he shows this. One of the earliest moments is when he hushes Ripley in her apartment. He's not providing a comforting gesture, he just doesn't want her making a scene. Because he's self-absorbed.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 23, 2016, 08:58:50 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2016, 04:16:55 AMHe comes across as a man of wealth and taste, but underneath that is the devil himself.

I don't agree with that. Burke wasn't actively evil. He just didn't care about anything other than himself and his own personal profit. That just snowballed.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 23, 2016, 10:29:38 AM
I would argue that once he tried to kill newt & Ripley  via facehugger he made the leap to phsycopath and could be considered evil
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 23, 2016, 10:43:47 AM
I dunno, I still get the impression that was more to do with wanting the Alien as his prize, to improve his standing professionally and financially, than it was killing them.

Their deaths were just a side-effect of his greed. He didn't do it because he wanted them dead, he did it because he wanted the money when he got home. He just didn't care that they would die as a result. It's sociopathy rather than being a homicidal maniac.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: PsyKore on Feb 23, 2016, 12:33:47 PM
He was compelled to try and kill Ripley (and Newt) once he properly revealed his motives to her, especially after Ripley threatened him.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 23, 2016, 01:28:49 PM
Quote from: PsyKore on Feb 23, 2016, 12:33:47 PM
He was compelled to try and kill Ripley (and Newt) once he properly revealed his motives to her, especially after Ripley threatened him.

If he would have succeeded in killing Newt, Ripley, and the marines he would have had quite a body count on his hands ( especially if you include the colonists).
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2016, 04:31:11 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 23, 2016, 10:43:47 AM
I dunno, I still get the impression that was more to do with wanting the Alien as his prize, to improve his standing professionally and financially, than it was killing them.

Their deaths were just a side-effect of his greed. He didn't do it because he wanted them dead, he did it because he wanted the money when he got home. He just didn't care that they would die as a result. It's sociopathy rather than being a homicidal maniac.

Your definition of evil is very frightening if you think that, just because you do something for money and people die as a result of that, you are not being evil.  Raising your own status at the expense of someone's life is fundamentally evil.  Even a homicidal maniac does what he does by getting pleasure from his actions, so in fulfilling his own objectives, he is being greedy.  You can't say that he is not being evil because he is just being greedy.  Greed itself is fundamentally evil, though society has harnessed it as a necessary evil.  Otherwise you couldn't have capitalism.  (Hey maybe that's why the engineers want to kill us)

The problem is that good and evil are concepts increasingly removed from the modern, natural view of the world.  So if someone is a murderer in order to get ahead, we clinically define him as a sociopath or psychopath as if it were merely a psychological condition or "ailment".  But if you bypass all that and accept that there is good and evil in this world, and a person consciously chooses one over the other, you have to conclude that Burke was EVIL with capital letters.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 23, 2016, 04:43:41 PM
Evil to me would be doing terrible things just for the sheer enjoyment of it.

Burke's not doing that. He's doing it for the endgame profit. The only really awful thing he does is turn the Facehuggers loose. And by the point it seems more like desperation than anything. Sure, it's terrible, but it's not evil. He doesn't enjoy getting Ripley and Newt killed, he just wants the fame and fortune so bad he totally disconnects emotionally from the reality of what he's doing. He didn't pre-meditate it. It was just a spur of the moment thing to get him the big bucks and the kudos when he gets back to HQ.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 23, 2016, 04:50:10 PM
Still... Setting a facehugger loose on a lil girl, regardless of motivation, is pretty evil. Even if he's not getting enjoyment from the killing, like a psychopath would, it would be hard to call it anything but evil.


Also it wasnt just for profit and glory. After Ripley found out what he had done, he was afraid she would nail him right to the wall when to they got back.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2016, 07:54:21 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 23, 2016, 04:43:41 PM
Evil to me would be doing terrible things just for the sheer enjoyment of it.

Burke's not doing that. He's doing it for the endgame profit. The only really awful thing he does is turn the Facehuggers loose. And by the point it seems more like desperation than anything. Sure, it's terrible, but it's not evil. He doesn't enjoy getting Ripley and Newt killed, he just wants the fame and fortune so bad he totally disconnects emotionally from the reality of what he's doing. He didn't pre-meditate it. It was just a spur of the moment thing to get him the big bucks and the kudos when he gets back to HQ.

Burke was doing it for the sheer enjoyment.  However, the enjoyment was deferred.  He would kill Newt and Ripley so that he could get a promotion and so he could get all the money he needs in order to enjoy himself in the way that he wants once he's rich.  At the end of the day, he's still putting his own joy ahead of someone else's.  We all do that from time to time, but in this case, he puts his own joy ahead of other people's lives.

I think you're kind of defending the indefensible here.  But this polemic could merit its own thread.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 23, 2016, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2016, 07:54:21 PMBurke was doing it for the sheer enjoyment.

Not once does he ever appear to be enjoying it in the film. In fact most of the time he looks terrified. He's hardly relishing in what he's doing.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2016, 07:54:21 PMI think you're kind of defending the indefensible here.  But this polemic could merit its own thread.

When have I ever tried to defend his actions? All I'm saying is, to me, he isn't evil. He's mentally unhinged. In my eyes there's a difference.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 23, 2016, 08:14:26 PM
I think your view of evil is just a bit too narrow imo, you can be evil and do evil things and not enjoy doing them. Most evil is done with the best of intentions. On the other hand psychopath vs sociopath is is different, there is a real argument to be made that Burke is a sociopath because he isn't getting enjoyment from trying to kill as a psychopath would. But we are  at a point on the whole evil topic where it comes down to personal opinion of what is considered evil.

good discussion though, would make a good thread.  :)
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2016, 08:56:03 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 23, 2016, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2016, 07:54:21 PMBurke was doing it for the sheer enjoyment.

Not once does he ever appear to be enjoying it in the film. In fact most of the time he looks terrified. He's hardly relishing in what he's doing.

What I'm saying is that the joy is deferred.  He still has his own personal motivations for what he does.  The whole time he is doing what he is doing is because he is envisioning himself on a yacht somewhere drinking margaritas.  He is just doing EVERYTHING it takes to get there.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2016, 07:54:21 PMI think you're kind of defending the indefensible here.  But this polemic could merit its own thread.

When have I ever tried to defend his actions? All I'm saying is, to me, he isn't evil. He's mentally unhinged. In my eyes there's a difference.

When you say he's not evil, that basically defends his actions.  "Mentally unhinged" and "evil" are terms from two different disciplines of thought.  It is almost an apples to oranges comparison.  The opposite of mentally unhinged, is mentally balanced, or sane, whereas the opposite of evil is good.  You're comparing psychology with ethics and beliefs.  In psychological terms, there is no true good and evil.  There are simply states of mind which vary from functional to dysfunctional.  The classic understanding of states of mind or psychology in general never really factored into belief systems based on good and evil.  Only in recent times do the ideas of mental state factor into notions of good and evil or ethics.  There is a lot of gray area here, and even legal systems are often at a loss as to if someone is evil or insane.

One of the key factors here is soundness of mind.  It would say that Burke was being particularly shrewd.  All his ducks were in a row.  From a psychological perspective, he might still be called a sociopath because although his actions were largely logical, he didn't factor in any empathy for his fellow human beings whatsoever.  However, if you recognize the basic ideas of good and evil, then you have to conclude that he was evil, especially because there was no ostensible mental impairment clouding his judgment.  He knew exactly what he was doing, and the lives of the people around him were just numbers on a page to be added or subtracted.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Primordial on Feb 23, 2016, 09:13:03 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2016, 04:31:11 PM
... you have to conclude that Burke was EVIL with capital letters.

Then what would you call a person who tortures slowly another one to death with a big smile ? For HudaFuk, evil is when intentions are the worse possible, and the acts match these intentions and it didn't seem the case with Burke... unless if he was secretly killing two birds with one stone i.e. satisfying his lowest instincts when seeing Ripley and Newt in distress AND being able to let them through quarantine afterwards which would guarantee him fortune and/or fame.

On the contrary, if a famous person makes a donation for charity, but you learn that his/her intentions weren't altruistic but rather to be seen in a good light by others, then wouldn't you be a bit disappointed ? Intentions are important.
But don't get me wrong, if ever Burke had made it back to Earth and had got a trial, I would hope for him a very severe sentence.

Between you guys and HuDa, it is just a matter of definition of the word 'evil'.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2016, 09:25:59 PM

Between you guys and HuDa, it is just a matter of definition of the word 'evil'.
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True.  The thing with ideas like evil and good is that they are not scientific ideas but more related to beliefs.  So you can't quantify good and evil.  You can only qualify it within the context of an existing set of dogmatic rules.  For example, a Catholic may see evil as very different from a Muslim's perspective or an Atheist's.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Primordial on Feb 23, 2016, 10:07:09 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2016, 09:25:59 PM
For example, a Catholic may see evil as very different from a Muslim's perspective or an Atheist's.

I'm really going off topic here but it reminds me a Muslim saying that believing in two Gods (or more) is a greater sin than to kill a man.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2016, 11:13:51 PM
Quote from: Primordial on Feb 23, 2016, 10:07:09 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2016, 09:25:59 PM
For example, a Catholic may see evil as very different from a Muslim's perspective or an Atheist's.

I'm really going off topic here but it reminds me a Muslim saying that believing in two Gods (or more) is a greater sin than to kill a man.

Yes, totally OT.  But this is the basis of the rift between Christians and Muslims.  From the Muslim perspective, the idea of Jesus implies that there are two Gods.  From the perspective of Christians, Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are the Trinity that forms God.


Yes, sorry Bro!  So how 'bout that Danny McBride?  Do you think they're going to go for some more comedic effect here?  We are now in a post-Deadpool era and I am wondering if the future holds non-stop jokes in even the most hard-r films.  I hope not.  I think James Cameron struck the right balance with Hudson, but if you go beyond that, it would be too much.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 24, 2016, 08:27:37 PM
I have a hunch that McBride will play it straight and serious, totally different then what is expected of him.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Primordial on Feb 24, 2016, 09:11:56 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2016, 11:13:51 PM
I think James Cameron struck the right balance with Hudson, but if you go beyond that, it would be too much.

Jokes before the 'first encounter' are welcome, à la Vasquez, but not after imo, and I hope that is what McBride will do.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 25, 2016, 06:12:30 AM
Quote from: 420Buddy on Feb 24, 2016, 08:27:37 PM
I have a hunch that McBride will play it straight and serious, totally different then what is expected of him.

I hope you're right.
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: thecaffeinatedone on Feb 25, 2016, 07:34:08 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 25, 2016, 06:12:30 AM
Quote from: 420Buddy on Feb 24, 2016, 08:27:37 PM
I have a hunch that McBride will play it straight and serious, totally different then what is expected of him.

I hope you're right.

I'm sure he'll pop up and make a bunch of wisecracks at innapropriate times. James Franco will show up too. Remember when Ridley Scott directed those hilarious comedies called Your Highness and This is the End?
Title: Re: Danny McBride in talks for Covenant
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2016, 08:20:01 AM
Quote from: 420Buddy on Feb 24, 2016, 08:27:37 PM
I have a hunch that McBride will play it straight and serious, totally different then what is expected of him.

It's been said that comedic actors make the best dramatic actors. They know the timing.