Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens

[SpreadEagleBeagle]

Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.

Just curious,

what WOULD you like to see in this new movie? A continuation from A3 with new characters?

Continue where A:R ended and deal with it. There are so many opportunities, so much potential. People just have to move forward and get out of the stalemate mindset that Cameron's ALIENS indirectly inflicted. ALIENS monumental success effectively ruined and handicapped the franchise.

[Born Of Cold Light]

Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.

Just curious,

what WOULD you like to see in this new movie? A continuation from A3 with new characters?

Actually, yes, that would be good.

At least Michael Bay isn't directing it.

Didn't Ripley supposedly destroyed the last xenomorph with her sacrifice? 

Supposedly, though we don't know for sure.  Perez's statement "for all intents and purposes" is quite vague.

But how long were they floating in space on the Sulaco after the events of ALIENS? Can someone refresh my memory regarding that?

I think it was no more than a few weeks.

[Local Trouble]

But how long were they floating in space on the Sulaco after the events of ALIENS? Can someone refresh my memory regarding that?

It took three weeks to get from Earth to LV-426.  I assume a return trip would take the same amount of time.  Of course, that all depends on whether or not the company purposely rerouted the Sulaco to Fiorina, as I've theorized before.

[predxeno]

Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.

Just curious,

what WOULD you like to see in this new movie? A continuation from A3 with new characters?

Continue where A:R ended and deal with it. There are so many opportunities, so much potential. People just have to move forward and get out of the stalemate mindset that Cameron's ALIENS indirectly inflicted. ALIENS monumental success effectively ruined and handicapped the franchise.

As I said earlier, if people are incapable of getting over the AVP films, what makes you think they'll try to get over Alien 3 and A:R?  There are still plenty of people who wouldn't mind seeing another AVP film set in modern times, myself included (running away from witch burners now ).  Out of curiosity, would you grant the entreaties of AVP fans the same amount of attention you would want for the Alien films?

[Adam802]

Ive always considered the AVP franchise a completely different universe than the ALIEN movies.  I just dont like the idea of them existing in the same universe.  The AVP movies are entertaining "what if" scenarios in their own rite.

I would like to see an AVP movies similar to the games though.  Set in space on a distant W-Y colony with Colonial Marines in the middle.  I think THAT would be cool.  Ive always hated the earth setting for the AVP movies.  At least the first was in the Pyramid, the second.......modern day suburbia with f**king college kids as main characters???...lol hell no sorry.

[predxeno]

Yeah, but the movie producers don't see it that way, they see Alien and AVP happening in the same universe and when fans advocated that some films in the universe go (the AVP films) then logically from the movie producers' eyes, that opens a door (and an invitation) to remove even more things from the same universe, aka the Alien films.

[Adam802]

Yeah, but the movie producers don't see it that way, they see Alien and AVP happening in the same universe and when fans advocated that some films in the universe go (the AVP films) then logically from the movie producers' eyes, that opens a door (and an invitation) to remove even more things from the same universe, aka the Alien films.

They cant remove any movie from existing in the real world.  The movies exist.  I can watch any of them on DVD and will always be able to pick and choose what I consider my own canon, and not care about what FOX "officially" thinks.  As you said, Even FOX will disregard certain films if they think they can crank out another movie.  And thats fine, bc im always up for a new movie with Xenos in it, even if it sucks.  Bc I can judge for myself If I like it enough to fit into my personal canon. 

[predxeno]

^True that, hence the differing timelines thing we believe is going to happen.  As I said earlier, I truly doubt that Fox will decanon 2 films that could still bring them more money in the future.

[Nightmare Asylum]

Decanoninizing (or relegating them to another canon or what have you) won't stop them from profiting on them, though. They can still bundle everything together, and still sell the individual releases to fans who are curious to check it all out, regardless of whether it is officially recognized in the current timeline. I'm sure the old X-Men movies got a boost in sales after DofP, even though it wiped the slate clean. Same with Superman 3 and 4 when Returns came out. Pretty sure they even did a five-film Superman bundle.

[RakaiThwei]

Decanoninizing (or relegating them to another canon or what have you) won't stop them from profiting on them, though. They can still bundle everything together, and still sell the individual releases to fans who are curious to check it all out, regardless of whether it is officially recognized in the current timeline. I'm sure the old X-Men movies got a boost in sales after DofP, even though it wiped the slate clean. Same with Superman 3 and 4 when Returns came out. Pretty sure they even did a five-film Superman bundle.

They also did it with the Halloween franchises.. I think they bundled all Halloween movies, including III, as well as the Rob Zombie movies as well.

[Born Of Cold Light]

Decanoninizing (or relegating them to another canon or what have you) won't stop them from profiting on them, though. They can still bundle everything together, and still sell the individual releases to fans who are curious to check it all out, regardless of whether it is officially recognized in the current timeline. I'm sure the old X-Men movies got a boost in sales after DofP, even though it wiped the slate clean. Same with Superman 3 and 4 when Returns came out. Pretty sure they even did a five-film Superman bundle.

The difference with X-Men was that the change in continuity was firmly planted in a well written story that paid respect to the entire series.  It wasn't like DoFP just started with a whole new saga with no explanation, as some people think that this new Alien movie will.

[Magegg]

Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.

Well, if you think Alien 3 was the high point of the series, then I think it's better for us that you're not excited for this movie

[SpreadEagleBeagle]

Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.

Well, if you think Alien 3 was the high point of the series, then I think it's better for us that you're not excited for this movie

"For us" as in people who are stuck on ALIENS and can't fathom that an Alien movie doesn't have to follow the Cameron formula (unless it's Scott, because you'll just look stupid if you pee on ALIEN) in order to be a worthy sequel? Boohoo for me...

[SpeedyMaxx]

It's not remotely canon, and I assure you even the execs who once implied that to help sales have already forgotten all about it. None of the EU is canon or ever will be. It means nothing to anyone except the most hardcore fanbase, and that's not the demographic the studio is intent on re-pitching this franchise to. Same thing with the terrible Star Wars books or the dogged fans of that Terminator TV show - shit outta luck.

Sorry, but before I acknowledge something as not canon, I'll need more to go on than the moans and groans of pissed off fanboys.

LOL, this has nothing to do with how I feel. I never even played the game. It wouldn't matter if the game was the second coming of System Shock or Mass Effect, though - there is less than zero chance a film studio has any interest in tying its film canon down to a bunch of video games and promotional tie-in materials that only hardcore sci-fi buffs know about. That's a fact of life and we see it everyday. Expecting any of the video games or books or comic books over the last several decades to be seriously referenced or acknowledged as canon in these films in any way is dreaming. But you should know that by now. It's not about the geek hardcore. It's about the largest possible audience.

[xeno-kaname]

Ok folks.  We must unite!  And agree to disagree about something we know almost nothing about!  It's the only way!!

It'll take a while. 7 stages of grief. The denial part is done and they're in the anger part.

We need to accept this is happening. And that's it. Criticism should be left for the actual plot, which we really don't know anything about. Even I tire of these arguments. They're just one opinion vs the other.

It didn't sound like that when A3 lacked marines and escorted Hicks & Newt out of the story, did it? You've been bitching about it for 20+ years. But when they decide to delete and erase two entire movies, it is Zen time... Splendid!

Anyways, all we know is that A5 is going to be a Blomkamp film - amazing designs, poorly written characters, exploding bodies, and juvenile heroism pretending to be pragmatic and deep.

Lol wat. Although many people didn't like the decision to kill Hicks and Newt off, I think a majority of people DID accept it after a while. I know I did. It bothered me but I still liked the movie. And even a lot of those who didn't like the movie did accept it. But see they had the luxury to go in blind and figure out all the details only after actually seeing the movie. We're finding out stuff years before hand. So without anything to show for it the ideas for this movie are very hard to accept to some fans. Particularly the retcon.

I guess realistically speaking I don't expect many people to accept it yet. But it is what needs to happen. Hicks and Newt fans complained about their demise but it was still largely accepted. I don't think many actually thought they would come back it just seemed like a wasted opportunity that bummed 'em out. And now that they can come back we're not allowed to be happy about it without somebody telling us it's a shit move? Geez.

It'll take a while. 7 stages of grief. The denial part is done and they're in the anger part.

We need to accept this is happening. And that's it. Criticism should be left for the actual plot, which we really don't know anything about. Even I tire of these arguments. They're just one opinion vs the other.

No need for the veiled condescension.

There is absolutely nothing to accept. There has been NO hard confirmation a retcon will happen, and if you listen to this interview with Blomkamp ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ#t=60 ) he says "I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection".

So they haven't said the word "retcon." By proxy it is a retcon though. Again, going by what he said in both those videos. He might not be trying to, but he's going to push for his vision. And it seems unlikely it will link into A3 seamlessly.

Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.

Just curious,

what WOULD you like to see in this new movie? A continuation from A3 with new characters?

Continue where A:R ended and deal with it. There are so many opportunities, so much potential. People just have to move forward and get out of the stalemate mindset that Cameron's ALIENS indirectly inflicted. ALIENS monumental success effectively ruined and handicapped the franchise.

But that ain't happening anytime soon. We're just saying you have to deal with that.