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Title: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 08:58:36 PM

Ever since Neill Blomkamp first revealed his concept art for his Alien 5 project, art that featured an aged and acid scarred Hicks and Aliens-esque looking Ripley, the question as to how Alien 5 will relate to the saga has been debated online. Talking to Sky News, Blomkamp and Sigourney Weaver talk about the new film being a “genetic sibling” to Alien and Aliens:

They don’t specifically state that Alien 5 will be retconning Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection, however, it sounds like a strong possibility. It may also be that he is speaking in terms of the tone of the films. Or it may simply be the same sort of approach Nimrod Antal and Robert Rodriguez took with Predators not acknowledging Predator 2.

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Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 25, 2015, 09:00:35 PM
Ugh...
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Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:59 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 08:58:36 PMOr it may simply be the same sort of approach Nimrod Antal and Robert Rodriguez took with Predators not acknowledging Predator 2.

That's impossible if it includes Ripley and/or especially Hicks.  Hey, maybe it'll cement A:CM into canon where it belongs!
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Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 25, 2015, 09:03:53 PM
Old Ripley, even.
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Post by: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 09:09:46 PM
RIP Alien3   :-[

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGZxh-NG7FA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGZxh-NG7FA#)


:'(  >:(
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Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:53 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:59 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 08:58:36 PMOr it may simply be the same sort of approach Nimrod Antal and Robert Rodriguez took with Predators not acknowledging Predator 2.

That's impossible if it includes Ripley and/or especially Hicks.  Hey, maybe it'll cement A:CM into canon where it belongs!

Hell yeah bro! Let's cheapen this franchise even more! High five dude!
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Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 09:13:18 PM
If this is a retcon, assuming that it's a retcon... then I think Bardock can convey how I feel on the principal that it could be a retcon. Keep in mind, this is not towards the ideas of the movie itself.. just the idea that it could be a retcon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjAX6VETEc4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjAX6VETEc4#)
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 25, 2015, 09:13:59 PM
Alien 3 isn't going anywhere. Even if I love this. Don't see what the problem with a different take  would be.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 09:15:35 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:53 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:59 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 08:58:36 PMOr it may simply be the same sort of approach Nimrod Antal and Robert Rodriguez took with Predators not acknowledging Predator 2.

That's impossible if it includes Ripley and/or especially Hicks.  Hey, maybe it'll cement A:CM into canon where it belongs!

Hell yeah bro! Let's cheapen this franchise even more! High five dude!

You look like you want beat up a bunch of rapists with a pipe.
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Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:19:29 PM
Love it. Love everything about it... :)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Mike on Feb 25, 2015, 09:25:17 PM
Yes!!!!!! This is the way to go !!! :D
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Post by: PsyKore on Feb 25, 2015, 09:25:30 PM
It kinda annoys me a bit that he states there's gonna be Alien, Aliens and then his movie. C'mon...
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Post by: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 09:27:18 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 25, 2015, 09:13:59 PM
Alien 3 isn't going anywhere. Even if I love this. Don't see what the problem with a different take  would be.


cool lets make a completely new Star Wars Episode 4 and 5 movie then!
i hate the idea but i love the franchise and Sigourney, Blomkamp, also Micheal Biehn is a hellofa actor now!
but this story is just.. they are raping my childhood :D like AVP and AR werent enough
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Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 09:28:19 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 09:27:18 PMcool lets make a completely new Star Wars Episode 4 and 5 movie then!

Fine with me.  I can still watch the originals any time I want.
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Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 25, 2015, 09:32:36 PM
Everything about this movie is a mojo killer. Bored already
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomorphine on Feb 25, 2015, 09:40:21 PM
Still no indication of what the story could be...

As I've said before, I have no issue with the third and fourth movies being retconned, providing it's done well. That's the big gamble. If it is, then good luck to them.

What's interesting is that Weaver's apparently been clued into the story and seems to like what's planned. not necessarily an indication of quality, of course, but it sounds as if she at least feels Ripley's portrayal would be presented as in character.
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Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 25, 2015, 09:42:40 PM
Interesting, but it's so early for people to get too upset or excited. Directors attach and detach from projects all the time, and who knows what will happen with this project if Chappie doesn't perform well at the box office. Like I said in one of the other threads, it'll be 2017 at the earliest before some incarnation of this project hits theaters, assuming it doesn't die like previous Alien 5s that Fox has had in the works. There's so much up in the air.
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Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:49:04 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Feb 25, 2015, 09:42:40 PM
Interesting, but it's so early for people to get too upset or excited. Directors attach and detach from projects all the time, and who knows what will happen with this project if Chappie doesn't perform well at the box office. Like I said in one of the other threads, it'll be 2017 at the earliest before some incarnation of this project hits theaters, assuming it doesn't die like previous Alien 5s that Fox has had in the works. There's so much up in the air.

Blomkamp is an auteur not a director for hire and it sounds like he has already signed the dotted line. Chappie's box office probably won't factor anymore.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 10:36:25 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 25, 2015, 09:40:21 PM
Still no indication of what the story could be...

As I've said before, I have no issue with the third and fourth movies being retconned, providing it's done well. That's the big gamble. If it is, then good luck to them.

What's interesting is that Weaver's apparently been clued into the story and seems to like what's planned. not necessarily an indication of quality, of course, but it sounds as if she at least feels Ripley's portrayal would be presented as in character.

well as an actor she is really good. but u know what? she did that shitty AR too, so i believe for her is no matter what as long as its Alien related, she loves this franchise so much
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Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 25, 2015, 10:50:31 PM
Alien³ is Dead.

What? Too soon?
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Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 25, 2015, 10:51:27 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 25, 2015, 10:50:31 PM
Alien³ is Dead.

What? Too soon?

20 years late... :)
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Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 25, 2015, 10:55:22 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 25, 2015, 10:51:27 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 25, 2015, 10:50:31 PM
Alien³ is Dead.

What? Too soon?

20 years late... :)
Declared DOA huh?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Nivious on Feb 25, 2015, 10:56:36 PM
Alien 3 is OK and Alien 4 is TERRIBLE so I think this is the only way to go...Bring back Hicks!
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Post by: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 10:56:38 PM
Blomkamp never can retcon this tho or anyone

(https://deadlymovies.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/charles-bishop-weyland.jpg)
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Post by: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 11:51:32 PM
im happy with this. definitely should be more like the first 2 movies and less like the last 2.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Hellspawn28 on Feb 25, 2015, 11:53:12 PM
Retconning A3 and A:R would be nice for once.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Anderson on Feb 26, 2015, 12:06:12 AM
Retconing is definitely a TERRIBLE idea... >:(
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Necro on Feb 26, 2015, 12:12:08 AM
I strongly dislike the idea of a retcon of Alien 3 and Resurrection, they're obviously not as good as Alien and Aliens but they do belong in the Alien Quadrilogy...A true visionary can make an amazing successful new installment in an ongoing series without resorting to poor Fan-Fiction tactics of retcons...I respect everyone's opinion but I think retconing Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection at this point is a VERY poor choice...
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Post by: Vrastal on Feb 26, 2015, 01:26:44 AM
Not happy with retcon.. im very skeptical about this..

Independent stories must be hard
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Post by: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 01:43:35 AM
Genetic Siblings....

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11002603_10152632070650474_5356181354222340378_n.jpg?oh=9cd1f6c6fcd77a01a3bf915d59b6e97e&oe=558F5124&__gda__=1431424833_82ac5a7c9f547f3869e7e8d333563281)
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Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 26, 2015, 02:07:05 AM
There IS a God...
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 02:41:10 AM
a lot of sites are reporting that it will be a direct sequel to ALIENS now.  Although nothing is really 100% confirmed yet, i'd be very happy with that.  Not necessarily a copy/remake of ALIENS, but a new sequel that goes in a different direction than A3 did.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: 85 on Feb 26, 2015, 02:51:56 AM
Called it!


'I have a feeling if they got rid of A3 and AR they would pass it off as a bad dream and have her wake up 30 something years later.'
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Post by: UHF on Feb 26, 2015, 02:57:37 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 25, 2015, 09:13:59 PM
Alien 3 isn't going anywhere. Even if I love this. Don't see what the problem with a different take  would be.

I've lived with Alien 3 for 23 years of my life.  I think it does matter if they retcon the films, and even though we'll physically still have them, in spirit they'll mean nothing.

I think it's a cheap and lazy way to get back into the franchise.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 03:00:42 AM
Eh. Every time a new director came on board the style of the franchise was practically reinvented. That's part of the series' charm. Doesn't make a difference to me if "canon" is altered with this one. I'm much too excited by the idea of it and, like I said, can still always watch Alien 3 and get just as into that film as I would have otherwise been.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Kaya on Feb 26, 2015, 03:26:38 AM
I really honestly don't know what to say in regards to the response I'm seeing from fans.

This movie is literally the dream of my childhood - to erase the bad taste of Alien 3 and Resurrection. To get a real, true sequel to Aliens that doesn't kill off its main characters in the first five minutes, that gives Ripley a proper send-off and maintains the tone presented in Alien 1 and 2.

It just comes across like this fanbase is utterly impossible to please, and when handed the movie they've always asked for, seem to find some way to complain about it within the first twenty minutes of hearing the basic details.

How many years have people bitched and complained about 3 and R sucking? Don't pretend they were anywhere near as good as Alien or Aliens. They weren't. They sucked. I feel like I'm on a different planet all of a sudden, where Alien 3 gets defended and the concept of a direct sequel to Aliens that maintains its tone is not appreciated. You're out of your minds.
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Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 03:34:33 AM
Quote from: UHF on Feb 26, 2015, 02:57:37 AM
I've lived with Alien 3 for 23 years of my life.  I think it does matter if they retcon the films, and even though we'll physically still have them, in spirit they'll mean nothing.

It wouldn't be the first time this has happened. Alien 3 made an entire run in the comics moot.
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Post by: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 03:36:31 AM
I also noticed that this doesn't specifically mean they are retconning anything.

On the one hand, I think that by 'Genetic-sibling' this could just mean an ALIENS-vibe and I agree this is what the final film needs, and what he is well suited for as a director, but on the other hand, retconning is lazy and I'd almost rather they didn't bring Sigourney back if they are going to retcon the mess that A:R was as an ending, and escalate that into making a giant disaster of franchise, instead.

They just got something right by ignoring AVP, and that was deserved because it took a dump on all 4 Alien films...

I will still see the movie but retconning anything is just massively, massively lazy and tells me someone can't write. It doesn't require much thought to simply push where A:R left off, into an ALIENS-like vibe. Especially with how much time has passed.

I just need to hear a good reason for the retcon. Just to bring Hicks back? That's really a lazy terrible unecessary reason to nix two entire sequels.
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Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 03:52:16 AM
A retcon on it's own is not lazy. How it's executed might be. There is a huge creative cavern between those two points that needs to be kept in mind. If Blomkamp has enough pull here and can keep things focused, and if he is indeed doing a retcon, then it'll probably work out fine. However, if Fox starts meddling... Well, things could turn out disastrous.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 03:58:40 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 03:52:16 AM
A retcon on it's own is not lazy. How it's executed might be. There is a huge creative cavern between those two points that needs to be kept in mind. If Blomkamp has enough pull here and can keep things focused, and if he is indeed doing a retcon, then it'll probably work out fine. However, if Fox starts meddling... Well, things could turn out disastrous.

Hear, hear.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2015, 04:14:08 AM
What I love about this whole thing is Sigourney Weaver's tacit admission that her last two Alien movies were shit.  :laugh:
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Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:21:20 AM
Copied from sticky thread I posted in:

Watching the interview through again and listening to Blomkamp's words it sounds as though this isn't going to be a sequel that writes out A3 and Red. His words genetic sibling makes me presume that it will the evolve the franchise like Aliens did from Alien. Two films with different tones and Alien 5 will be the next step. Alien 3 was More offa step back to Alien. If this is right then I will be excited. Hope its clarified properly soon.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2015, 04:23:04 AM
I think you're in denial.
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Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 04:24:32 AM
I dont see why ANYONE would want to continue from A:R.  Like ive said, Ripley 8 is a horrible character, NOT the true Ripley we all love.  And the story at the end of A:R is SO convoluted and f*cked up, it would be a terrible spot to pick up from. 

Either retcon A3 and A:R, or take place after A3 with new characters.  I'm leaning towards retcon.  And its not lazy, its giving what MOST fans want.
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Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:26:57 AM
I will be until it's confirmed. Retconning Alien 3 and Rez is out of the question for me. It comes across as pure nonsense/fan-fiction
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Post by: Vermillion on Feb 26, 2015, 04:30:11 AM
Unfortunately, that is what is going to happen.
Fans pay.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2015, 04:33:08 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Feb 26, 2015, 04:30:11 AM
Unfortunately, that is what is going to happen.
Fans pay.

We're in some real pretty shit now, huh?
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:43:39 AM
Maybe we could build a fire?  Sing a couple of songs?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Vers on Feb 26, 2015, 05:30:12 AM
(Looks at Alien 3 and A:R)

All right, we waste 'em... no offense!
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Post by: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 05:36:30 AM
I think you guys are getting hyped up over a misinterpretation. Don't be surprised when its confirmed that Blomkamp's film will be set after Resurrection.
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Post by: DaddyYautja on Feb 26, 2015, 05:41:37 AM
So this is going to be like Prom all over again where this was an Alien movie but it wasnt but then it was again? But it wasnt?

Ugh.
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Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 05:43:46 AM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Feb 26, 2015, 05:41:37 AM
So this is going to be like Prom all over again where this was an Alien movie but it wasnt but then it was again? But it wasnt?

Ugh.

Where do you get that idea from?
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Post by: PsyKore on Feb 26, 2015, 06:22:16 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 05:36:30 AM
I think you guys are getting hyped up over a misinterpretation. Don't be surprised when its confirmed that Blomkamp's film will be set after Resurrection.

It could go either way. Sigourney's talked a lot about finishing Ripley's story after Resurrection, so I wouldn't be surprised if Blomkamp re-wrote to accommodate that. But it's not impossible that a retcon of sorts could happen. Personally, I think "genetic siblings" is more referring to tone, style, aesthetics, etc. But still, it's all very vague at the moment.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: David08 on Feb 26, 2015, 06:28:30 AM
I totally agree with Kaya and Adam802, come on guys stop bitching & let's celebrate the good news!! After 2 decades: ALIEN 5 is finally happening!!!!! Can't wait to see how Alien 5 will fix the Alien Universe. We are finally getting a good Aliens sequel  ;)  ::)  8)  ;D  :)
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Post by: Gash on Feb 26, 2015, 06:30:01 AM
Retconning a couple of films aside, what turns me off more is the idea it's a sibling to Aliens, or has the tone of Aliens. Whatever way you term it that sounds like shit.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: GillPills on Feb 26, 2015, 07:07:17 AM
Guess after Alien 5 Alien 3 will be looked at by some as an alternative ending to this supposed finished trilogy. I really didn't mind A3, it had good ideas, a grim atmosphere that's chilling and could of been quite uniquely scary, and of course a very good director, just it was held back and completely shat on by Fox. Could of been alot more, but the ending of it was always somehow satisfying.

F**k Resurrection... can't wait for this, finally an Alien 5!
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Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 07:09:11 AM
Hmm... if Alien 3 and A:R are retconned then I wonder how this will affect Prometheus's continuity with the Alien franchise.  I suppose Prometheus will be canon to the new Alien film, but not canon to Alien 3, A:R, and whatever EU that is present in the original universe; that may not necessarily be a bad thing, what with fans' opinions of Ridley Scott's film. :-\
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Post by: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 07:24:56 AM
Quote from: PsyKore on Feb 26, 2015, 06:22:16 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 05:36:30 AM
I think you guys are getting hyped up over a misinterpretation. Don't be surprised when its confirmed that Blomkamp's film will be set after Resurrection.

It could go either way. Sigourney's talked a lot about finishing Ripley's story after Resurrection, so I wouldn't be surprised if Blomkamp re-wrote to accommodate that. But it's not impossible that a retcon of sorts could happen. Personally, I think "genetic siblings" is more referring to tone, style, aesthetics, etc. But still, it's all very vague at the moment.

Boy, I certainly effin' hope we are right about the misinterpretation. Because I've never been this disappointed with a film announcement in my life.
That the ALIEN series didn't do things like this is why I had so much pride in being a fan for so long. I forgave the AVP stuff because it was so sub-par in contrast to the others, that it felt like no-one would take them seriously. But say what you want about A3 and A:R, what they have in common with the ALIEN series is that they are aesthetically serious films, each with its own very distinct themes that all build upon the others. Even Prometheus. Hick's was cool but not cool enough to retcon two entire films and take a dump on a series that maintained it's storytelling integrity for this long.

I will also call it now: If this gets retconned, what you will end up with is fans endlessly shredding apart what aspects of the mythology no longer make sense, like the star wars  prequels. Mark my words, those two films added an infinite amount to the series that many fans of a retcon aren't even aware that they are applauding be ignored, and when it's done, it will have opened a giant can of worms that won't be able to be undone.

To those saying how great this sounds, well how great did all the same people think Prometheus sounded until they saw it? What about A:CM? Remember how excited everyone was when they heard Hicks was back? I like Prometheus, I would hate it if it trashed the continuity. I even don't mind the Hicks elements in A:CM, but the game sucked. And the odds are thats the same can of worms doing something like this will be. Retcons of any kind, or any new information that changes what people already knew/learned or accepted previously, just makes a big mess out of things. Continuity is one of the most important facets of storytelling. Messing with it is always, always a bad idea.

I will also suggest, that all attempts to make sequels after A3 have failed precisely because they tried to make things more like Aliens.

Doesn't anyone else find it hard to take the new Terminator trailer's seriously because of the retconing?
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Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2015, 07:47:28 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 07:24:56 AM
I will also call it now: If this gets retconned, what you will end up with is fans endlessly shredding apart what aspects of the mythology no longer make sense, like the star wars  prequels.

Is that a warning or a promise?
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Post by: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 08:02:48 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2015, 07:47:28 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 07:24:56 AM
I will also call it now: If this gets retconned, what you will end up with is fans endlessly shredding apart what aspects of the mythology no longer make sense, like the star wars  prequels.

Is that a warning or a promise?

Its a straight up guarantee. As a long time fan, this will do to this series what the Star Wars Prequels did to Star Wars. Even if the film is good. Too much time has passed, too many things will have to be feel shoe-horned, fans will miss things that are scrapped, and if no one will be completely satisfied anyway, it's pointless.
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Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 08:15:29 AM
What they need to do is come right out and clear away all of this bullshit. If they're making a new alien movie and it isn't coming after A|R then they should call it by it's real name: ALIEN 3. It's a retroactive abortion. That way everyone can start deleting the movie and burning the tapes. Just like it never happened. :P
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Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 08:33:28 AM
Let's be honest . Alien 3 was a bit of a mess . Alien resurrection was just wrong in every way . I'm happy with the direction this is going . let's have a proper gritty alien movie we deserve no silly slapstick stuff from resurrection, no crappy looking aliens , no plot holes and flaws and no more silly Ripley 8..
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Post by: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 08:47:27 AM
This whole thing is also a huge gamble. Neill is talking pretty big if he really is making an entry that will act as a new Alien 3. If that's the case, it better be damn good and live up to Aliens like he hints. Anything's possible. It's possible this could suck MORE than Alien Resurrection. If that ends up being the case, this will all be a huge waste, all in vain, with the timeline totally f**ked with for nothing. And we'll be back to square one with fans whining over yet another subpar Alien movie.

Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 26, 2015, 08:47:38 AM
Blomkamp is the best thing that could happen to this series. I think most people are undercutting how good this film could possibly be for the franchise.
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Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 26, 2015, 08:48:21 AM
I warned you guys: this fanfic shit is in. Terminator's doing the same.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 26, 2015, 08:47:38 AMBlomkamp is the best thing that could happen to this series.

Even as a fan of his, Blomkamp's track record is far from cemented. His first film was amazing, but his second - and I say this as someone who enjoyed it - was pretty mediocre. I get the feeling Chappie will either be a return to form or proof that he's a one-tick pony.
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Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 26, 2015, 08:52:26 AM
Blomkamp is a talented visualist and tech guy. Every film he's done since D9 leaves a lot to be desired. Elysium was awful and Chappie looks not great. All I've seen since his debut is a lot of bombast, tech fetishism, derivative action and Sharlto Copley. It got old after the first few rounds. I just hope he's got something in mind other than "Ripley + Hicks do Elysium".
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 26, 2015, 09:07:19 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 26, 2015, 08:47:38 AMBlomkamp is the best thing that could happen to this series.

Even as a fan of his, Blomkamp's track record is far from cemented. His first film was amazing, but his second - and I say this as someone who enjoyed it - was pretty mediocre. I get the feeling Chappie will either be a return to form or proof that he's a one-tick pony.

Haven't seen Elysium, but I from the people I've talked to they liked it enough. I think Chappie will be fantastic and I love that he's one of the only directors thats into the cyberpunk aspect of science fiction. The fact that he talked with Weaver and wanted to do an Alien film shows that the guy is a fan of the series, as well as the concept. I think this film with feature a return to the giger style and with how much transhuman morphing that went on in District 9, an Alien film would be a similar return to form.

Even if its a near carbon copy of Aliens, I really wouldn't mind that. 
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 26, 2015, 09:07:19 AMHaven't seen Elysium, but I from the people I've talked to they liked it enough.

As I said, I really liked it - more than most it would seem - but if you took away the flashy visuals there wasn't much left. It had none of the other substance that made District 9 such a fantastic action movie.

Quote from: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 26, 2015, 09:07:19 AMI think Chappie will be fantastic and I love that he's one of the only directors thats into the cyberpunk aspect of science fiction.

I'm remaining optimistic about Chappie, although I've purposefully avoided looking into it ahead of release because I want to go in blind.

Quote from: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 26, 2015, 09:07:19 AMEven if its a near carbon copy of Aliens, I really wouldn't mind that.

That's exactly what I don't want. I want a Blomkamp movie. In the same way the existing films are very much in the style of their respective directors.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 09:22:50 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 26, 2015, 09:07:19 AMEven if its a near carbon copy of Aliens, I really wouldn't mind that.

That's exactly what I don't want. I want a Blomkamp movie. In the same way the existing films are very much in the style of their respective directors.

Indeed. I'm with you there. And I think that Alienkamp will be a gorgeous looking film. Gorgeous as in how fantastic Neill's style of visuals are. That's one aspect I know I don't have to worry about.
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Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 26, 2015, 09:25:10 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 09:22:50 AM
Alienkamp
Hell yes, high a five.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:57 AM
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Love ya, brah.  :P
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Post by: Taxemic on Feb 26, 2015, 10:07:15 AM
I can't see the video as it's private. However I think this is good news. I'm not prepared to let go of Alien3 yet but f*** Ressurection.
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Post by: Liberator on Feb 26, 2015, 10:17:01 AM
Imagine if the main characters from Empire Strikes Back were just killed off for Return of the Jedi.  Aliens deserves a new sequel.  Just totally ignore Alien 3 and 4.
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Post by: Bender on Feb 26, 2015, 10:25:54 AM
Thanks for clarifying that it is nowhere stated that it will rewrite Alien 3 and 4. IGN claimed it and and everybody keeps repeating it like the truth.
I like Alien³ just as much as Alien and Aliens. All three movies formed a bleak narrative that actually dared to be different and shock it's audience. Alien 4 is not my favorite but I can accept that it exists and in my opinion it would be a giant cop out to "rewrite" Alien 3 and 4.
If Blomkamp is that good of a story teller, then he should be able to make something great out of the pre-existing material and should not take the easy way out and just set the new movie after Aliens.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 10:45:49 AM
Quote from: Bender on Feb 26, 2015, 10:25:54 AM
Thanks for clarifying that it is nowhere stated that it will rewrite Alien 3 and 4. IGN claimed it and and everybody keeps repeating it like the truth.

That's been pissing me off since I first saw the news.


Quote from: Taxemic on Feb 26, 2015, 10:07:15 AM
I can't see the video as it's private. However I think this is good news. I'm not prepared to let go of Alien3 yet but f*** Ressurection.

It certainly wasn't yesterday. Odd. I'll see if I can find an alternate.
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Post by: AvP4evr on Feb 26, 2015, 11:03:13 AM
On a first note I personally am a little skeptical about seeing how an older Ripley and Hicks will be a "genetic sibling" to films that showed them at younger age  ??? But I'm staying openly optimistic about the new idea. I like all the Alien films and the different takes on each.

On a second note, the film will have Aliens in it that makes it watch worthy in my view!
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 11:07:58 AM
Thing is that artwork might not even be representative of the actual story. It doesn't always. I think if you take that artwork as gospel to what he's doing you might be disappointed.

I can quite easily see the phrase "genetic sibling" being as simple as tone.
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Post by: JPredator on Feb 26, 2015, 11:12:31 AM
in my opinion, the only reason to retcon alien 3 is to make good on the promise of the previous two's struggle.namely do an adaption of earth war. this would be the alternate alien 3 and the only real logical reason to retcon the deaths of hicks and newt to show what could of happend.

alien 3 is not going anywhere and i am not upset with the prospect of having an alternate take. my only gripe would be if they go through all the trouble to retcon alien 3 with an inferior film....which is very likely.

i do think this film will be a retcon despite the lack of confirmation. weaver's comments saying"I would love to take Ripley out of orbiting around in space and give a proper finish to what was such an excellent story" make me think of where aliens left off on the sulaco. keep in mind, film makers and actors rehearse these answers before interviews and what they say is very deliberate.

from that i see them going the whole ripley, hicks and newt as a family unit route. like i said i am not opposed to that as i have alien3 and nothing can take that away from me but i just want a great film.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 11:21:18 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 11:07:58 AMThing is that artwork might not even be representative of the actual story. It doesn't always. I think if you take that artwork as gospel to what he's doing you might be disappointed.

Blomkamp has actually said the concept for the film changed after talking to Weaver. Of course, we don't know if the artwork is from before or after those changes were made...
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Post by: robbritton on Feb 26, 2015, 11:27:25 AM
I LOVE Alien 3. I absolutely adore Alien 3. Despite that, I am in no way bothered if they want to go, "Oh it's a hypersleep dream" and write it out of continuity. They could even have some of that Prometheus dream footage of the events of three and four on some monitor to show what's going on. it's fine.

Because, they're artworks, and that's all they ever were or will be. Any continuity is already shredded by the egg on the Sulaco and the different cryotubes and all the rest of it. A new take doesn't erase the old, and these things can be enjoyed in tandem. They're not a real world, it really doesn't matter if people want to go in and muddle with bits, provided they create something wonderful out of that. Colonial Marines is grim because it was rubbish, not because of what it set out to achieve. Likewise Isolation is brilliant, because it's brilliant. It's easier to accept the timeline addition because the piece as a whole is so wonderful.

But look, until someone explicitly says "Michael Biehn is in this film, playing the same part he did in Aliens" I think assuming that it is all retcon is a bit premature. That was just some concept art, potentially from before he shared the idea with Weaver. It could easily all be set after A:R yet.*

(To let Michael Biehn actually get his due in a film the filmmaker really cares about would be nice after all these years, though. I'll feel pretty bad for the guy if all this speculation leads to yet another, "sorry Mike! see you in the B-pics!".)

EDIT: I hadn't read the full quotes at the time of writing. The full bit does suggest the retcon more than I realised, so while I'm still cautious to call it fact, it does seem likely.
"I want this film to feel like it is literally the genetic sibling of Aliens, so it's Alien, Aliens and then this film"
http://comicbook.com/2015/02/26/neill-blomkamps-alien-movie-will-be-a-sequel-to-aliens/ (http://comicbook.com/2015/02/26/neill-blomkamps-alien-movie-will-be-a-sequel-to-aliens/)
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Post by: Space7Horror on Feb 26, 2015, 11:40:22 AM
I am very dispaointed that he is gonna ignore Alien 3 and Resurrection, they may have their flaws but they are a part of the franchise and retconing them is an insult to the fans and the franchise itself. Ill stay a little optimistic right now as we still know very little about it but I will remain disappointed until I am convinced its a good decision.
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Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 26, 2015, 11:40:56 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 11:21:18 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 11:07:58 AMThing is that artwork might not even be representative of the actual story. It doesn't always. I think if you take that artwork as gospel to what he's doing you might be disappointed.

Blomkamp has actually said the concept for the film changed after talking to Weaver. Of course, we don't know if the artwork is from before or after those changes were made...

Evidently it was after.

Blomkamp spoke to Weaver in early January 2014 on the Chappie set. The artwork was only commissioned during Chappie's post-production phase.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 12:13:46 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 26, 2015, 11:40:56 AMEvidently it was after.

Blomkamp spoke to Weaver in early January 2014 on the Chappie set. The artwork was only commissioned during Chappie's post-production phase.

I dunno, I still think it would be unusual for them to release artwork of stuff they're actively pursuing. Studios like to keep that kinda thing under wraps.
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Post by: TimmyTurnersDad on Feb 26, 2015, 12:16:40 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 12:13:46 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 26, 2015, 11:40:56 AMEvidently it was after.

Blomkamp spoke to Weaver in early January 2014 on the Chappie set. The artwork was only commissioned during Chappie's post-production phase.

I dunno, I still think it would be unusual for them to release artwork of stuff they're actively pursuing. Studios like to keep that kinda thing under wraps.

That'd be because Blomkamp released the artwork before he'd even approached the studio about it, I think. Remember, this was something he was initially plotting out in private with Sigourney.
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Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 26, 2015, 12:23:31 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 12:13:46 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 26, 2015, 11:40:56 AMEvidently it was after.

Blomkamp spoke to Weaver in early January 2014 on the Chappie set. The artwork was only commissioned during Chappie's post-production phase.

I dunno, I still think it would be unusual for them to release artwork of stuff they're actively pursuing. Studios like to keep that kinda thing under wraps.

When Blomkamp released that artwork no agreement or deal with Fox had been signed yet.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 12:30:37 PM
Indeed. It's why you'll generally never see draft scripts that have been making the rounds actually turn into a film. It's why we'll never see Peter Brigg's AvP.
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Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 12:40:57 PM
People said the same thing about Deadpool, and yet here it is! It's a comin' like a train in the night...!  :laugh:
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Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 12:45:21 PM
I smell retcon all the way.
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Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 26, 2015, 12:51:33 PM
Retcon time, retcon time. ... gotta rewrite all those poorly received sequels and uh, in order to do that, we've got to retcon.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 26, 2015, 12:58:23 PM
I say we grease this rat (Alien3) fok son of a bitch (A:R) right now. 
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 01:06:04 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 12:40:57 PM
People said the same thing about Deadpool, and yet here it is! It's a comin' like a train in the night...!  :laugh:

Is there a Deadpool script floating out there already? If so, is the new film doing that?

Talking about the specifics.
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Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 01:18:33 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 01:06:04 PM
Is there a Deadpool script floating out there already? If so, is the new film doing that?

Talking about the specifics.

That "leaked" test that pretty much got the buzz going and likely finally got the project off the ground is pretty much created verbatim from a leaked official Deadpool script. Now, i'm not certain if that's the same script they'll be pursuing for the film proper, but the fact that they created that test sequence off of that script, and then green lit the project based on the buzz generated by both that leaked script and the test would indicate to me that's the way they are going.

So it's not out of the realm of possibility that something like that could happen here, or, already has.
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Post by: irn on Feb 26, 2015, 01:21:11 PM
Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 08:47:27 AM
This whole thing is also a huge gamble. Neill is talking pretty big if he really is making an entry that will act as a new Alien 3. If that's the case, it better be damn good and live up to Aliens like he hints. Anything's possible. It's possible this could suck MORE than Alien Resurrection. If that ends up being the case, this will all be a huge waste, all in vain, with the timeline totally f**ked with for nothing. And we'll be back to square one with fans whining over yet another subpar Alien movie.

Absolutely. The risk of turning the franchise into a total clusterf**k is far too high with retconning. Every sequel/prequel/reboot of every classic franchise in the last 15 years puts the odds very strongly in favour of it not being a good film. I wish it wasn't so but that's just the way it is.

If they do go down the route of it directly taking off from Aliens then hopefully they'll at least give it an open ending where Alien 3 could follow on from it if you want it to.

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Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 01:25:40 PM
Quote from: irn on Feb 26, 2015, 01:21:11 PMAbsolutely. The risk of turning the franchise into a total clusterf**k is far too high with retconning. Every sequel/prequel/reboot of every classic franchise in the last 15 years puts the odds very strongly in favour of it not being a good film. I wish it wasn't so but that's just the way it is.

I was thinking about this. Other than Batman Begins and Casino Royale, I can't think of a reboot/retcon that hasn't been, at best, utterly forgettable and at worst, total dross.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 01:31:51 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 01:18:33 PM
So it's not out of the realm of possibility that something like that could happen here, or, already has.

I find it more likely that it wont. But we'll see.
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Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 01:49:25 PM
If it sets place between Aliens and Alien 3 then does Ripley take a bump on the head in Alien 3 and forgets everything in Alien 5 but Remembers all from Alien and Aliens?? 
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 02:02:25 PM
I really wish they'd tell us exactly where they're taking this. I foresee these discussions driving me barmey. xD
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Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 02:08:24 PM
Bad Dreams again?  ;)
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 02:09:56 PM
Just the not knowing. Too many assumptions. Too many possibilities. Must know.
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Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 02:11:41 PM
The only way round it if it dosent disregard Alien 3 and Resurrection is it has to be bad dreams.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 02:12:27 PM
Unless he flat out ignores it.

Or if its a continuation of Alien Resurrection.

The "genetic sibling" comment could mean anything at this point.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 02:13:30 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 02:12:27 PM
Unless he flat out ignores it.

The way they're talking, that's what it's likely to be. The "Alien, Aliens, this movie" comment seems to be a bit of a giveaway.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 02:15:34 PM
As I said, it could mean anything. I'm more inclined to think he means tonally more than anything else at this point.
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Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 02:16:49 PM
From that video we seen this morning it did sound like he was going down the Predators root. infact Blomkamp sounded just like Rodriguez from the way he was saying it. Alien. Aliens. Then this one. My money is on retcon .
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 02:20:29 PM
Difference is, Predators didn't actually overwrite anything. If this film does what some of us think it's going to do, it's going to explicitly overwrite films by bringing dead characters back into the fold.
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Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 02:27:08 PM
but there was no mention of P2 ,but there was with Predator. it ignores it.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 02:28:37 PM
Ignoring =/= retconning. The events of Predator 2 weren't relevant in any way to the story of Predators, and them happening doesn't add or subtract from what was seen on screen in the 2010 film.

Each Predator movie is pretty much a standalone film, anyways. You can watch any of them and "get it." They're not at all heavy on story progression. Each film expands the mythology a bit, but does it in such a way that you don't need to have seen the previous installments to follow along.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 02:32:32 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 02:15:34 PMAs I said, it could mean anything. I'm more inclined to think he means tonally more than anything else at this point.

I agree that what he said could mean either at this point. He was (likely deliberately) vague.
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Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 02:35:11 PM
Robert Rodriguez said it him self mate and you know it... but any way it sounds like Alien3 and Resurrection are going to be rubbed out and quite frankly  I love to see Ripley and Hicks back together..
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 02:36:19 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 02:35:11 PMRobert Rodriguez said it him self mate and you know it...

Robert Rodriguez didn't make the film. Or write it.

The Bond films never used to reference the previous one. That doesn't make every new entry a retcon.
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Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 02:37:38 PM
did i say he did?
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 02:39:01 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 02:35:11 PM
Robert Rodriguez said it him self mate and you know it... but any way it sounds like Alien3 and Resurrection are going to be rubbed out and quite frankly  I love to see Ripley and Hicks back together..

He did, but nothing in the film really confirmed that. There was nothing in the film that contradicted P2, and Antal, unlike Rodriguez, acknowledged P2 during the pre-release promotion.
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Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 02:42:12 PM
Oh well we will have to wait and see, think the not knowing is killing us all right now  :D.
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Post by: zuzuki on Feb 26, 2015, 02:58:39 PM
Retconing is lazy as f**k. Fox did the whole quadrilogy thing,everybody was pleased with that release. It was canon. Now if they'll ignore Alien3 and A:R they'll re-release a blu-ray pack but this time with Alien, Aliens and Bloomkamps film? Or if you want to follow the story and Ripley journey they'll send you to watch just half of the quadrilogy and ignore the rest?

I don't mind retcons in movies that don't use the same characters. So if Alien 3 was with brand new characters and ignore Ripleys storyline and Bishop than yeah, retcon that shit away, but they did use those characters, Sigourney Weaver was blabbing that her characters death was a proper send-off so i don't want them now to ignore that.

If they do this what else will they modify in the future? Will anybody ever respect continuity again in the franchise? And what if this movie will be sub-par, will it be worthy?

Personally i don't want a geriatric Sigourney Weaver kicking ass. Arnold does a shitty job fine by his own. BUT  if they plan to use her than have old Ripley-8 with some strike force go to the alien-engineers home-world to wipe the threat permanently. You can have Prometheus 2 set place on the engineers home-world continuing in the tone of the first movie, have Shaw die there or send a radio message with the location of the planet, then jump hundreds of years in the future( time for the message to reach Earth) with Ripley-8 arriving on the planet to finish the job. And maybe they can write Ripley-8 in a way that she regained her memories or old way-of thinking/humanity so she can act like the original character and not a soulless terminator like in A:R
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 03:02:51 PM
Why can't they package all the films together? A potential retcon doesn't make them any less relevant. If you're watching the films it will be just as ingesting - if not more interesting - to watch all of them (regardless of "canonicity") to see how the franchise has altered and reinvented itself over time.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:05:34 PM
Someone mentioned Halloween - they've just done a DVD set of that with all the films, even though H20 retconned a whole bunch of them.
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Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 03:08:48 PM
Sorry but i hate everything about Alien Resurrection and Ripley 8 , as for as im concerned they can nuke whole thing from orbit! even if it has to take out Alien3 also (i do like alien 3)..  :D
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 03:09:13 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/feb/26/alien-neill-blomkamp-sigourney-weaver (http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/feb/26/alien-neill-blomkamp-sigourney-weaver)

If it's true - which I have no reason doubt - then yeah, this is likely to be a retcon after that comment.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:11:42 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 02:42:12 PM
Oh well we will have to wait and see, think the not knowing is killing us all right now  :D.

No worries.  The not knowing part may only last for a few more years until Alien 3 Take 2 hits theaters.

Hey I know we're all in strung out shape.  But stay frosty!


Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 03:09:13 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/feb/26/alien-neill-blomkamp-sigourney-weaver (http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/feb/26/alien-neill-blomkamp-sigourney-weaver)

If it's true - which I have no reason doubt - then yeah, this is likely to be a retcon after that comment.

That's awesome!!  I guess we don't have to wait years to get confirmation.
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Post by: Hudson on Feb 26, 2015, 03:26:58 PM
Just thought I'd pop in here to comment on Alien 3 and Resurrection being "retconned out of existence."

They will still exist...
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:29:15 PM
Quote from: Hudson on Feb 26, 2015, 03:26:58 PM
Just thought I'd pop in here to comment on Alien 3 and Resurrection being "retconned out of existence."

They will still exist...

Exactly!  You can still enjoy your alternate universe ALien 3 and AR in the privacy of your own home.  No one will judge you!  I'm sure they'll even be re-released in a 5-film boxed set.  This is cause to celebrate...
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 03:30:05 PM
Quote from: Hudson on Feb 26, 2015, 03:26:58 PM
Just thought I'd pop in here to comment on Alien 3 and Resurrection being "retconned out of existence."

They will still exist...

Yup!

Cool to see you around Hudson! Been a while.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:32:30 PM
Quote from: Hudson on Feb 26, 2015, 03:26:58 PMThey will still exist...

That doesn't mean we have to be happy that a film many of us like very much is going to be written off and will therefore be null and void as far as the future of the franchise is concerned. It's not like nothing important happened in the third movie.

I mean, I hear what you're saying, but it's still an issue.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 03:46:56 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:32:30 PM
Quote from: Hudson on Feb 26, 2015, 03:26:58 PMThey will still exist...

That doesn't mean we have to be happy that a film many of us like very much is going to be written off and will therefore be null and void as far as the future of the franchise is concerned. It's not like nothing important happened in the third movie.

I mean, I hear what you're saying, but it's still an issue.

Yeah - I was being a little dramatic because I dislike the notion.

But yeah, HuDa reflects perfectly my issue.

I'm still going to be interested and follow it and if it's good, then awesome! But a part of me will always be disappointed.
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Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 04:28:51 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 03:09:13 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/feb/26/alien-neill-blomkamp-sigourney-weaver (http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/feb/26/alien-neill-blomkamp-sigourney-weaver)

If it's true - which I have no reason doubt - then yeah, this is likely to be a retcon after that comment.
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Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 04:49:15 PM
This franchise is officially bankrupt on creativity and ideas.

Quantity before quality.
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Post by: acrediblesource on Feb 26, 2015, 05:01:22 PM
hrmm... any else feel that they are secretly doing Alien Isolation as a movie instead?  ;D  genetic sibling.......  ;)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
Retconning, unless done with the most absolute of care, is wrong and disrespectful.  It's one thing if you're just batting out fan fiction in your bedroom, but it's a whole 'nother thing if you are hired on as an official writer in an established universe.  Then you are part of something much bigger that yourself and you should respect everything that's come before, even if you don't like all of it.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:14:02 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
Then you are part of something much bigger that yourself and you should respect everything that's come before,

He is, hence why it's a sequel of sorts to the two best films in the series.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 26, 2015, 05:15:47 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
Retconning, unless done with the most absolute of care, is wrong and disrespectful.  It's one thing if you're just batting out fan fiction in your bedroom, but it's a whole 'nother thing if you are hired on as an official writer in an established universe.  Then you are part of something much bigger that yourself and you should respect everything that's come before, even if you don't like all of it.

I doubt Blomkamp had Fox in a chokehold to get his way.

Retconning is older than cinema. It's worked wonders in other forms of art for centuries.

Seriously, we're going to need an inverse version of this soon:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv338%2Fmaledoro%2Ffwit%2F1251033d.gif&hash=b6339697b427b442f55b3aa51e224fc478a3bddb) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/maledoro/media/fwit/1251033d.gif.html)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 26, 2015, 05:16:16 PM
Fact is, the general audience gives about zero shits about this whole ordeal. Most don't even remember there were films after Aliens; and those that do do not remember them fondly. This decision is only pissing off some long time fans -- a small portion of the overall target audience.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: TimmyTurnersDad on Feb 26, 2015, 05:22:03 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 05:16:16 PM
Fact is, the general audience gives about zero shits about this whole ordeal. Most don't even remember there were films after Aliens; and those that do do not remember them fondly. This decision is only pissing off some long time fans -- a small portion of the overall target audience.

Exactly. My dad is a huge fan of the series, and has been for years, even though he doesn't go on forums or chat about it. This is the most excited I've seen him react to news for an Alien movie in years. I dare say that the only man who hates Alien 3 more than my dad is David Fincher himself. I have heard stories about his reaction to seeing Alien 3 at the midnight premiere with my grandmother (his mother-in-law).

Personally? I'm more open-minded, though I do think that making this film a direct sequel to Aliens is the best route to go with. However part of why I'm really glad they're going in this route is for my dad. He got me into the series and I hate seeing him constantly get more and more disappointed with each new entry. I want to be able to go to the theaters in a few years from now and see the new Alien film with him and come out of it with him happy. Sentimental and/or biased on my part? Certainly.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 26, 2015, 05:27:26 PM
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on Feb 26, 2015, 05:22:03 PM
I dare say that the only man who hates Alien 3 more than my dad is David Fincher himself.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20130215051024%2Fsmashbroslawlorigins%2Fimages%2Fd%2Fd1%2FTimmy%26%23039%3Bs_Dad.jpg&hash=e43daef63bf01fdb1570ff50cb284b827d35469c)
Alien 3...
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 05:28:13 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:14:02 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
Then you are part of something much bigger that yourself and you should respect everything that's come before,

He is, hence why it's a sequel of sorts to the two best films in the series.

A spiritual sequel is one thing.  A fanboyish wank fest where a director ignores one-half of an entire franchise so he can play with real-life Ripley and Hicks action figures is something very different and very wrong.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:31:41 PM
Why? Because a small majority of fan boys are angry that a bad film and an even worse film are being ignored?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 05:32:03 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 05:16:16 PM
Fact is, the general audience gives about zero shits about this whole ordeal. Most don't even remember there were films after Aliens; and those that do do not remember them fondly. This decision is only pissing off some long time fans -- a small portion of the overall target audience.

Im not sure I agree with this,.. First, I will say again, I don't understand why it is necessary. And secondly, if the whole idea is to attract new fans and please the old, this will do neither.

Imagine what this will do to further boxed sets and interviews and to new fans who start watching the series from the beginning. It will be like, ok it ends w/ Alien 3 but then they made this A:R spin off and there's a cliffhanger that was never wrapped up, so then 20 years later they came back and retconned the third film so they could restart where they liked things? Why was that necessary?

I will say this again, every attempt to make the series more like what it was before, specifically in Aliens has been a step in the wrong direction and has arguably been what ruined everything after Alien 3. Take all the Aliens-ish stuff out of A:R and you have left all of the redeeming things in that script.

So here are the real questions I need to hear answered to take this in stride:

1. Why does it have to take place after Aliens and ignore 3 and 4?

2. Why can't it remain the spiritual successor to Aliens and still be a sequel to A:R (Just because people don't like it, is a lazy reason). It doesn't change that continuing on, it can still be a sequel.

3. Why can't it 'categorically' not feature what Ripley 8 was while still remaining a sequel to A:R? Why can't they just ignore A:R MOSTLY, but explain something away, in a way that doesn't detract from two other entires in the series?

I just have not heard a good reason and so I think we will end up with a bad film.

This is the same mistake all those PLATINUM DUNES remakes make. Its not that they are remakes, its that they attempt to reestablish the series, for instance FRIDAY THE 13th, to a place that it reached in stride after several sequels. And to do so it hamfists all this extra stuff to bring the film to where it once was, instead of letting its growth happen and it just feels forced.

Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: TimmyTurnersDad on Feb 26, 2015, 05:33:27 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 05:27:26 PM
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on Feb 26, 2015, 05:22:03 PM
I dare say that the only man who hates Alien 3 more than my dad is David Fincher himself.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20130215051024%2Fsmashbroslawlorigins%2Fimages%2Fd%2Fd1%2FTimmy%26%23039%3Bs_Dad.jpg&hash=e43daef63bf01fdb1570ff50cb284b827d35469c)
Alien 3...

Exactly.

Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 05:28:13 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:14:02 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
Then you are part of something much bigger that yourself and you should respect everything that's come before,

He is, hence why it's a sequel of sorts to the two best films in the series.

A spiritual sequel is one thing.  A fanboyish wank fest where a director ignores one-half of an entire franchise so he can play with real-life Ripley and Hicks action figures is something very different and very wrong.

I'm rather amused at how so many people are assuming this is just going to be a fanboy wank fest. It could be, but I actually think a new sequel to Aliens could make for a great storyline.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Liberator on Feb 26, 2015, 05:33:42 PM
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on Feb 26, 2015, 05:22:03 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 05:16:16 PM
Fact is, the general audience gives about zero shits about this whole ordeal. Most don't even remember there were films after Aliens; and those that do do not remember them fondly. This decision is only pissing off some long time fans -- a small portion of the overall target audience.

Exactly. My dad is a huge fan of the series, and has been for years, even though he doesn't go on forums or chat about it. This is the most excited I've seen him react to news for an Alien movie in years. I dare say that the only man who hates Alien 3 more than my dad is David Fincher himself. I have heard stories about his reaction to seeing Alien 3 at the midnight premiere with my grandmother (his mother-in-law).

Personally? I'm more open-minded, though I do think that making this film a direct sequel to Aliens is the best route to go with. However part of why I'm really glad they're going in this route is for my dad. He got me into the series and I hate seeing him constantly get more and more disappointed with each new entry. I want to be able to go to the theaters in a few years from now and see the new Alien film with him and come out of it with him happy. Sentimental and/or biased on my part? Certainly.

Yes.  Alien 3 was beyond bad.  I can't think of a worse movie.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Jman on Feb 26, 2015, 05:36:39 PM
I think it is a good idea. I, personally, liked Alien3 and Resurrection, but, in my opinion, this new movie would give fans the sequel to Aliens that they always wanted and deserved. I am such a big fan of the Alien universe, any new film in the saga would be interesting to me, and Weaver is such a good actress, I'm sure it wouldn't disappoint many serious fans.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 26, 2015, 05:38:20 PM
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on Feb 26, 2015, 05:33:27 PM
Exactly.
:laugh:

Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 05:32:03 PM
Im not sure I agree with this,.. First, I will say again, I don't understand why it is necessary. And secondly, if the whole idea is to attract new fans and please the old, this will do neither.

[...]
None of the things you said actually changes my point.

This will please a lot of old fans, though -- seeing as the 'Hix 'n Noot' thing was an ongoing resentment to begin with, a lot of people hate Alien 4, a lot don't care for 3. I'm among none of these categories, of course -- I love both of them.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 26, 2015, 05:39:15 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:31:41 PM
Why? Because a small majority of fan boys are angry that a bad film and an even worse film are being ignored?

I know. Literal decades have been spent whining about those movies...
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 05:41:47 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
Retconning, unless done with the most absolute of care, is wrong and disrespectful.  It's one thing if you're just batting out fan fiction in your bedroom, but it's a whole 'nother thing if you are hired on as an official writer in an established universe.  Then you are part of something much bigger that yourself and you should respect everything that's come before, even if you don't like all of it.

This!
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 05:43:05 PM
OMG!!  I have wanted Alien 3 retconned for the LONGEST time, but I'm hesitant to jump to conclusions without concrete evidence so I'll hold back in jumping with joy.  I imagine EU-non-canoners could be happy too cause the majority of the EU will likely be irrelevant to this new timeline one way or another.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 26, 2015, 05:43:18 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 05:41:47 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
Retconning, unless done with the most absolute of care, is wrong and disrespectful.  It's one thing if you're just batting out fan fiction in your bedroom, but it's a whole 'nother thing if you are hired on as an official writer in an established universe.  Then you are part of something much bigger that yourself and you should respect everything that's come before, even if you don't like all of it.

This!

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fgxceo1h.jpg&hash=26a1538fb78e8cf5304fcfe26ae5a32bf3e9e255) (http://imgur.com/gxceo1h)

:laugh:
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenoscream on Feb 26, 2015, 05:44:33 PM
I have mixed feelings about this, in some ways it's the best news ever, but then, well Alien 3.

Alien 3 for all its flaws brutally continued the story from Aliens, critically Ripley sacrificed herself. Any alternative Alien 3 will be in the shadow of this moment.

It would be easy to set a film after alien 3 without reconning resurrection, clearly Ripley is the only reason GT he's doing this. I don't get why fox think that Alien cannot exist without Ripley.

Oh and it had better not have engineers in it.


Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 05:45:52 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:31:41 PM
Why? Because a small majority of fan boys are angry that a bad film and an even worse film are being ignored?

It's still part of established canon and should be respected.  If directors won't respect canon, then there's no point in making movie series' at all beyond incredibly self-contained stories like Hunger Games.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 05:46:11 PM
Quote from: Liberator on Feb 26, 2015, 05:33:42 PM
Yes.  Alien 3 was beyond bad.  I can't think of a worse movie.


Well, there was The Last Airbender, but A3 certainly runs it close...
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Jman on Feb 26, 2015, 05:47:11 PM
I feel that we Alien fans are very lucky that Weaver would even consider doing another film in the series, much less a true, fresh, and pleasing successor to Cameron's Aliens. I am very pleased to hear the news, and consider the new film to be a gift to us fans.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
They should throw in a Doctor Who cameo, that'll fix it.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 05:52:28 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 05:46:11 PM
Quote from: Liberator on Feb 26, 2015, 05:33:42 PM
Yes.  Alien 3 was beyond bad.  I can't think of a worse movie.


Well, there was The Last Airbender, but A3 certainly runs it close...

ALIENS trumps both.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 05:53:32 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 05:52:28 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 05:46:11 PM
Quote from: Liberator on Feb 26, 2015, 05:33:42 PM
Yes.  Alien 3 was beyond bad.  I can't think of a worse movie.


Well, there was The Last Airbender, but A3 certainly runs it close...

ALIENS trumps both.

Keep taking the meds... :)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 05:53:37 PM

Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 05:45:52 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:31:41 PM
Why? Because a small majority of fan boys are angry that a bad film and an even worse film are being ignored?

It's still part of established canon and should be respected.  If directors won't respect canon, then there's no point in making movie series' at all beyond incredibly self-contained stories like Hunger Games.

Tbh, it's not like fans respect established canon, either.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 05:54:53 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 05:53:32 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 05:52:28 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 05:46:11 PM
Quote from: Liberator on Feb 26, 2015, 05:33:42 PM
Yes.  Alien 3 was beyond bad.  I can't think of a worse movie.


Well, there was The Last Airbender, but A3 certainly runs it close...

ALIENS trumps both.

Keep taking the meds... :)

Projecting much?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 05:55:38 PM
Refrain from the personal attacks.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 06:06:47 PM
So no ripley 8..... Thank god!!
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 06:07:27 PM
So this is indeed a retcon..

There is little reason to pay attention to the series anymore if this is the route they are going to go.

I am not much of an Alien fan as I am with Predator, but I've supported the Alien franchise for twenty one years. Twenty one long years. Had this decision been made sixteen years ago, I would've been fine with it but for a movie which can be considered an ending to a saga, and another which served as an epilogue-- to be erased is quite disheartening. Alien 3, while ill-received, gets a lot of undeserved hate-- from the audience, and from Fox themselves. The latter most especially considering what happened on the set.

And when the movie was released, it was not well received for a variety of reasons. The movie was depressing, the movie had killed off two fan favorite characters, the movie had a nihilistic heroic ending of Ripley's sacrifice, that it went back instead of gone forward.. Whatever. The movie served as a reminder that the Alien universe was a cold, unforgiving place as cruel as the creature it spawned. And Ripley's sacrifice had a meaning to it, the Alien had taken everything from her and when she had nothing to lose, she was able to finally defeat the creature which had haunted her for so long. Ellen Ripley died a heroine. That was the ending to the Alien saga.

Resurrection served as an epilogue to the ending. And while I thought that the film was boring, I can say that it's a movie that can be chosen to be ignored. After all, it's an epilogue rather than an actual ending which is what Alien 3 was. So people can choose to watch or ignore Resurrection. I don't have anything positive or negative to say about Resurrection though as I have not seen it within the last fifteen years though.

I am done... Will I see the Blomkamp movie? Probably but... I just feel like this franchise outgrew me as a fan. Whatever enthusiasm which I had is... pretty much gone at this point. I want to support the franchise, and I want to be a fan.. I feel like.. I don't know, I'm a "bad" fan for not supporting this decision. That I feel like I need to send in my membership card.

Will Alien 3 and Resurrection continue to exist? Absolutely. We can watch them over and over again, maybe even use the movies for whatever fan-fiction and roleplaying. But it just doesn't feel the same without them being part of the Alien-Predator universe.

Now keep in mind, I've nothing bad to say about the Blomkamp film, I'm sure it will be a hit with ALIEN fans. I mean I liked District 9 as a movie, but I've never seen Elysium. So I'm happy for you guys, but I'm a little saddened for the unrecognized diamond that is Alien 3. Resurrection, I could do without.

My only wish is that... Fox would allow us alternative canons. For more than one canon.. I care deeply about this franchise, and the fandom. I want to be happy with it, I want everyone to be happy. That's why I advocate for multiple canons but.. that's likely not going to be the case if ever at all.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:10:47 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:31:41 PM
Why? Because a small majority of fan boys are angry that a bad film and an even worse film are being ignored?
This.
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 06:06:47 PM
So no ripley 8..... Thank god!!
And this.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 26, 2015, 06:12:28 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 06:07:27 PM
My only wish is that... Fox would allow us alternative canons.
You don't need Fox's approval for a personal canon...
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 06:12:40 PM
This is ludicrous. Why do people keep putting Alien3 on a pedestal? The film was awful. It may have been nice to look at, but it was a lousy movie and as I've said one million times in the past, unnecessary.
Title: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 06:14:52 PM
Don't worry, RakaiThwei, I doubt Fox will ever declare Alien 3 and Rez noncanon for fear of losing money selling those films if not the fan outrage that will descend on them.  Personally, I like to see this retcon (if it is, indeed, a retcon) as a new opportunity in the franchise; we can finally clean the continuity up, while all the old EU, and AVP films, will be in the Alien 3 universe, the franchise can start over again with Alien (NB).  Hopefully, this will be like the Star Wars decision to non-canonify all its stories in order to start with a cleaner, more orderly approach.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 06:17:00 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 06:07:27 PM
So this is indeed a retcon..

There is little reason to pay attention to the series anymore if this is the route they are going to go.

I am not much of an Alien fan as I am with Predator, but I've supported the Alien franchise for twenty one years. Twenty one long years. Had this decision been made sixteen years ago, I would've been fine with it but for a movie which can be considered an ending to a saga, and another which served as an epilogue-- to be erased is quite disheartening. Alien 3, while ill-received, gets a lot of undeserved hate-- from the audience, and from Fox themselves. The latter most especially considering what happened on the set.

And when the movie was released, it was not well received for a variety of reasons. The movie was depressing, the movie had killed off two fan favorite characters, the movie had a nihilistic heroic ending of Ripley's sacrifice, that it went back instead of gone forward.. Whatever. The movie served as a reminder that the Alien universe was a cold, unforgiving place as cruel as the creature it spawned. And Ripley's sacrifice had a meaning to it, the Alien had taken everything from her and when she had nothing to lose, she was able to finally defeat the creature which had haunted her for so long. Ellen Ripley died a heroine. That was the ending to the Alien saga.

Resurrection served as an epilogue to the ending. And while I thought that the film was boring, I can say that it's a movie that can be chosen to be ignored. After all, it's an epilogue rather than an actual ending which is what Alien 3 was. So people can choose to watch or ignore Resurrection. I don't have anything positive or negative to say about Resurrection though as I have not seen it within the last fifteen years though.

I am done... Will I see the Blomkamp movie? Probably but... I just feel like this franchise outgrew me as a fan. Whatever enthusiasm which I had is... pretty much gone at this point. I want to support the franchise, and I want to be a fan.. I feel like.. I don't know, I'm a "bad" fan for not supporting this decision. That I feel like I need to send in my membership card.

Will Alien 3 and Resurrection continue to exist? Absolutely. We can watch them over and over again, maybe even use the movies for whatever fan-fiction and roleplaying. But it just doesn't feel the same without them being part of the Alien-Predator universe.

Now keep in mind, I've nothing bad to say about the Blomkamp film, I'm sure it will be a hit with ALIEN fans. I mean I liked District 9 as a movie, but I've never seen Elysium. So I'm happy for you guys, but I'm a little saddened for the unrecognized diamond that is Alien 3. Resurrection, I could do without.

My only wish is that... Fox would allow us alternative canons. For more than one canon.. I care deeply about this franchise, and the fandom. I want to be happy with it, I want everyone to be happy. That's why I advocate for multiple canons but.. that's likely not going to be the case if ever at all.

Good points.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 06:20:35 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 06:12:28 PM
You don't need Fox's approval for a personal canon...

Oh I know! I know that much certainly and Alien 3 will always be a part of my personal canon.. But.. I just wish Fox would do what Toho did for the Godzilla series when they were producing the Heisei era films. They rendered all of the old stuff as an alternative continuity, still canon to the original 1954 film from what I know but no longer made a priority. They made that stuff a canonical alternative where as the Heisei era was the mainstream.

Fox should at least do that for the fans but.. I digress. I just feel burned out. Like I'm done.. Maybe I should've seen this coming. I thought this was going to last forever. I really did.

Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 06:14:52 PM
Don't worry, RakaiThwei, I doubt Fox will ever declare Alien 3 and Rez noncanon for fear of losing money selling those films if not the fan outrage that will descend on them.  Personally, I like to see this retcon (if it is, indeed, a retcon) as a new opportunity in the franchise; we can finally clean the continuity up, while all the old EU, and AVP films, will be in the Alien 3 universe, the franchise can start over again with Alien (NB).  Hopefully, this will be like the Star Wars decision to non-canonify all its stories in order to start with a cleaner, more orderly approach.

See my point to Omegazilla. I don't think I have a proper response for your statement at this time, PredXeno.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Jman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:22:12 PM
I think that, after Cameron's gunblasting roller coaster ride in Aliens, Alien3 seemed very slow paced and boring to some fans. For what it was, I enjoyed it. It tried to hark back to the survival horror feeling of the first film, but after seeing what seemed like hundreds of Xenos in the second film, and seeing them gunned down one after another, it kinda let the air out of any film recreating the tension of the original 1979 movie.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 26, 2015, 06:23:00 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 06:12:28 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 06:07:27 PM
My only wish is that... Fox would allow us alternative canons.
You don't need Fox's approval for a personal canon...

Couldn't agree more, Omegazilla. Alternate canons are already an established fact. Alien 5 may be retconning 3 and 4, but the Resurrection-verse is still living on in the Titan novels. We're never going to get an "on screen" acknowledgement of a multiverse, though. That's more in the realm of superhero stories.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 06:26:41 PM
That would be silly anyway. The story lines are confusing enough as they are when trying to tie in the comics and such with the movies.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 06:27:01 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Feb 26, 2015, 06:23:00 PM
Couldn't agree more, Omegazilla. Alternate canons are already an established fact. Alien 5 may be retconning 3 and 4, but the Resurrection-verse is still living on in the Titan novels. We're never going to get an "on screen" acknowledgement of a multiverse, though. That's more in the realm of superhero stories.

I absolutely advocate a multiverse. You know this.

However I am not asking for an on-screen acknowledgement of a multiverse, or even an on panel acknowledgement in the comics. I just would like for someone official to say that there is one, and leave it at that.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:28:08 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 06:12:40 PM
This is ludicrous. Why do people keep putting Alien3 on a pedestal? The film was awful. It may have been nice to look at, but it was a lousy movie and as I've said one million times in the past, unnecessary.
I remember reactions when it came out .... it wasn't good ..
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 06:28:53 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 05:45:52 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:31:41 PM
Why? Because a small majority of fan boys are angry that a bad film and an even worse film are being ignored?

It's still part of established canon and should be respected.  If directors won't respect canon, then there's no point in making movie series' at all beyond incredibly self-contained stories like Hunger Games.

^^^THIS. If you can just do whatever you want, you are basically lambasting the integrity of everything that comes before or after it.

Shit. Why not just ignore ALIENS and start at the end of ALIEN. Did it seem dumb when you read ALIEN: Out of The Shadows?

I enjoyed that read - but I considered it fan wank and didn't take it seriously whatsoever.

Just because I initially didn't enjoy Hicks getting killed, doesn't mean I carry on like a butt hurt spoled brat for 20+ years until 2 sequels are retconed to satisfy my urge for something that wasn't when I wanted it.

Remember how absurd and crazy it was to watch Katy Bates demand an author re-write his book screaming "YOU CAN'T KILL MY MISERY!!!!"
Congratulations everyone. That's now what we've accepted as normal.

Which of those Misery books, as a fan, would you have accepted as the real one? If your answer is both of them... INTEGRITY people. This series USED to have it.






Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 06:32:53 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 06:28:53 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 05:45:52 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:31:41 PM
Why? Because a small majority of fan boys are angry that a bad film and an even worse film are being ignored?

It's still part of established canon and should be respected.  If directors won't respect canon, then there's no point in making movie series' at all beyond incredibly self-contained stories like Hunger Games.

^^^THIS. If you can just do whatever you want, you are basically lambasting the integrity of everything that comes before or after it.

Shit. Why not just ignore ALIENS and start at the end of ALIEN. Did it seem dumb when you read ALIEN: Out of The Shadows?

I enjoyed that read - but I considered it fan wank and didn't take it seriously whatsoever.

Just because I initially didn't enjoy Hicks getting killed, doesn't mean I carry on like a butt hurt spoled brat for 20+ years until 2 sequels are retconed to satisfy my urge for something that wasn't when I wanted it.

Remember how absurd and crazy it was to watch Katy Bates demand an author re-write his book screaming "YOU CAN'T KILL MY MISERY!!!!"
Congratulations everyone. That's now what we've accepted as normal.

Which of those Misery books, as a fan, would you have accepted as the real one? If your answer is both of them... INTEGRITY people. This series USED to have it.

Which is so sad.

What's even sadder is that there seem to be A LOT of people who see this as a great thing, FOX and Blomkamp included. Quantity before quality = $$$
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Jman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:37:11 PM
Just as in the Star Wars universe, there can and will be many different interpretations of the Alien saga through films-both big screen and small, novels, comics, etc, from many different writers. Nothing wrong with it. It is up to the individual to pick and choose what authors/directors they personally like best. Personally, I never really liked very much of the multiverse ideas/stories of SW, and pretty much stuck to the main films.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Nightlord on Feb 26, 2015, 06:37:17 PM
Best news I've heard all day.

RIP alien3 and resurrection.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:37:28 PM
Ok then playing devils advocate, what gives someone the right just to right off someone else hard work and characters in sequels ? As Cameron said Alien 3 was a slap in the face to fans of hicks. Michael Biehn wasn't happy how Alien 3 was either.
Title: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 06:37:45 PM
Fans have been more or less retconning for the last several years, I suppose it was inevitable that directors would do it as well.  Ignoring for the moment that fans have chosen to ignore EU as noncanon, they were rather quick to nitpick the AVP films into discontinuity, and when Fox officially announced that A:CM would be canon, fans didn't fly with that either.  It seems to me that personal canon has been dictating the direction of this series for a LONG time now, so if a director wants to bring Newt, Hicks, Ripley, and Bishop back from the dead (something I've been wanting for the LONGEST time) then I might as well get my share from all this while I still can.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 26, 2015, 06:38:10 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 06:32:53 PM
Quantity before quality = $$$
Same thing they thought when making Alien3...
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 06:38:28 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:37:28 PM
Ok then playing devils advocate, what gives someone the right just to right off someone else hard work and characters in sequels ? As Cameron said Alien 3 was a slap in the face to fans of hicks. Michael Biehn wasn't happy how Alien 3 was either.

Fox owns the rights and it's their property. That gives them the right.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: ep40 on Feb 26, 2015, 06:39:18 PM
I think that events of Alien 3 and A:R cut all possibilities of continuing story further in a way that makes sense. Events of those movies presented the idea that Derelict was destroyed, there was no other source of Alien eggs etc... Alien and Aliens presented the source of shown Xenos being the Derelict but didn't say anything that there couldn't be another loaded with eggs Space Jockey spaceship crashed on some other planet. Starting anew only with Alien and Aliens as canon gives more freedom with story.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 06:41:04 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:37:28 PM
Ok then playing devils advocate, what gives someone the right just to right off someone else hard work and characters in sequels ? As Cameron said Alien 3 was a slap in the face to fans of hicks. Michael Biehn wasn't happy how Alien 3 was either.

The difference is that Alien 3 did not get rid of the events of Aliens.  While I too was kind of pissed at first at Hicks and Newt being killed, like was said earlier, it fits the tone of the series.  Killing off characters is far less a crime than wiping away whole movies.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:41:23 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 06:38:28 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:37:28 PM
Ok then playing devils advocate, what gives someone the right just to right off someone else hard work and characters in sequels ? As Cameron said Alien 3 was a slap in the face to fans of hicks. Michael Biehn wasn't happy how Alien 3 was either.

Fox owns the rights and it's their property. That gives them the right.
yup same goes for retconing bad mistakes :)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 06:42:30 PM
Sadly no one can be surprised at them thinking of writing out two films. The Alien series has little to no integrity both in its fanbase and the controlling company.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 06:42:50 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 06:38:10 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 06:32:53 PM
Quantity before quality = $$$
Same thing they thought when making Alien3...

If money was all they cared about, they would have made another gun fest and gone with stuff like the power loader army vs. the queen alien army.  Alien 3 showed that they were willing to sacrifice cheap thrills in exchange for doing something different.
Title: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 06:44:18 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 06:41:04 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:37:28 PM
Ok then playing devils advocate, what gives someone the right just to right off someone else hard work and characters in sequels ? As Cameron said Alien 3 was a slap in the face to fans of hicks. Michael Biehn wasn't happy how Alien 3 was either.

The difference is that Alien 3 did not get rid of the events of Aliens.  While I too was kind of pissed at first at Hicks and Newt being killed, like was said earlier, it fits the tone of the series.  Killing off characters is far less a crime than wiping away whole movies.

I dunno about that, killing Newt off detracts the value of Ripley going through all those lengths to save her in Aliens; like it or not, her death hurt the 2nd film a bit.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 26, 2015, 06:45:22 PM
Quote from: ep40 on Feb 26, 2015, 06:39:18 PM
I think that events of Alien 3 and A:R cut all possibilities of continuing story further in a way that makes sense. Events of those movies presented the idea that Derelict was destroyed, there was no other source of Alien eggs etc... Alien and Aliens presented the source of shown Xenos being the Derelict but didn't say anything that there couldn't be another loaded with eggs Space Jockey spaceship crashed on some other planet. Starting anew only with Alien and Aliens as canon gives more freedom with story.

Bull. we dont know if there is anywhere else that the aliens could be.

I was really looking forward to something new.But i guess if ripley isnt tied to it its a no go, so theyre just pulling pout the stops and going full fanfic.

I want it to be an amazing story but i just dont see it happening unless it can take multiple aliens and bring back the fear that cones with them.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:45:32 PM
I don't think Fincher will be too bothered either about this ...
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 06:45:37 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:37:28 PM
Ok then playing devils advocate, what gives someone the right just to right off someone else hard work and characters in sequels ? As Cameron said Alien 3 was a slap in the face to fans of hicks. Michael Biehn wasn't happy how Alien 3 was either.

How is that even the same?

One movie follow/continues what happened in the previous movie (a sequel), the other one erases two movies just like that (a retcon)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Doggo33 on Feb 26, 2015, 06:45:52 PM
That is just so stupid (the retconning). If it does any retconning whatsoever, I'm not interested. You can't kick something out of the canon. The new thing just becomes ignorable.

In terms of it just not featuring Ripley 8 though - I find that silly, because the whole point of this was to not leave the franchise at the cliffhanger (which I don't think is big enough a cliffhanger to require a sequel) of 'Alien: Resurrection'. As time is going on, I'm becoming less enthused by this film.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:47:44 PM
Superman returns was a bad idea then???
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:47:44 PM
Superman returns was a bad idea then???

Yes.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 06:49:34 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 06:44:18 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 06:41:04 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:37:28 PM
Ok then playing devils advocate, what gives someone the right just to right off someone else hard work and characters in sequels ? As Cameron said Alien 3 was a slap in the face to fans of hicks. Michael Biehn wasn't happy how Alien 3 was either.

The difference is that Alien 3 did not get rid of the events of Aliens.  While I too was kind of pissed at first at Hicks and Newt being killed, like was said earlier, it fits the tone of the series.  Killing off characters is far less a crime than wiping away whole movies.

I dunno about that, killing Newt off detracts the value of Ripley going through all those lengths to save her in Aliens; like it or not, her death hurt the 2nd film a bit.

To some extent, you're right.  That being said, like was said earlier, the world of Alien is cold and harsh and Alien 3 confirmed this.  In it's own way, Ripley's sacrifice at the end of the movie was the ultimate fulfillment of the sacrifice that she was willing to do for Newt in Aliens.  Everything ties together in the end.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Doggo33 on Feb 26, 2015, 06:49:46 PM
If 'Alien 3' and 'Alien: Resurrection' are contradicted, I don't care about the film.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 06:50:10 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:47:44 PM
Superman returns was a bad idea then???

Considering how unbelievably boring it was, yes.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:47:44 PM
Superman returns was a bad idea then???

Yes.

No. ;)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 06:52:39 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 06:41:04 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:37:28 PM
Ok then playing devils advocate, what gives someone the right just to right off someone else hard work and characters in sequels ? As Cameron said Alien 3 was a slap in the face to fans of hicks. Michael Biehn wasn't happy how Alien 3 was either.

The difference is that Alien 3 did not get rid of the events of Aliens.  While I too was kind of pissed at first at Hicks and Newt being killed, like was said earlier, it fits the tone of the series.  Killing off characters is far less a crime than wiping away whole movies.

Yes. That and as it happens, Alien is a story that has involved main characters dying from the get go. Also - A:CM had Hicks survive and that isn't retcon, it's shoehorned but it doesn't hurt the integrity fo the series because it doesn't exactly change the facts. It side steps them but it doesn't change them and I am fine with that.

Retconing basically says we can and will do whatever we want and nothing you've seen has any meaning. Even James Cameron who hated Alien 3 and 4 never even remotely suggested that they retcon anything when attempting to make Alien 5. Instead he felt AVP 'would ruin the integrity of the franchise' 

Blomkamp better be sure his film will be on par with Alien and Aliens because if its as good as Prometheus (which was a fairly well received film) just think of what problems you may end up having with it.

I'd rather Blomkamp make a 2 star Alien 5 that wasn't a retcon than a 3 star Alien 5 that is.

Keep in mind that the odds of his Alien 5 being as good as Alien and Aliens is slim. Very slim.

Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Jman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:53:46 PM
Superman Returns was a great tribute to the late Christopher Reeve. Superman III and IV just plain sucked. But hey, what can you do..
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:54:57 PM
But a retcon is basically a remake/reboot of a sequel so whats the problem jesus Christ lol.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 26, 2015, 06:55:33 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 06:52:39 PM

Keep in mind that the odds of his Alien 5 being as good as Alien and Aliens is slim. Very slim.

Unless this story is perfect in everyday its going to put the final nail in the film part of the franchise's coffin
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 06:57:35 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 06:42:30 PM
Sadly no one can be surprised at them thinking of writing out two films. The Alien series has little to no integrity both in its fanbase and the controlling company.

What is that supposed to mean?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 06:58:37 PM
As I just said in another thread:

Personally, while I'm upset they're apparently retconning the later films (although I'm still waiting for the studio to actually confirm this), at the end of the day, if that's what's being done, I'm excited to be getting a new movie. I'm not gonna lose sleep over it, even if I do think it was a lame move that just unnecessarily muddies the waters. It's not like my being angry and resentful will change anything. I just hope Blomkamp has some decent ideas for his film.

Of course, if the new movie sucks, then I'll be genuinely pissed.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Liberator on Feb 26, 2015, 06:58:51 PM
The makers need to take the project seriously.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 06:59:13 PM

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:47:44 PM
Superman returns was a bad idea then???

Yes.

What about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Russ on Feb 26, 2015, 07:01:05 PM
I'm looking forward to the "Hitler reacts to the news that Alien3 and Resurrection are to be retconned" video.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 07:01:17 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 06:59:13 PM

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:47:44 PM
Superman returns was a bad idea then???

Yes.

What about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles?

The Terminator multiverse has been an irredeemable mess ever since the NOW Comics series was overwritten by T2, so SCC hardly did much damage by then.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 07:02:10 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 06:59:13 PM

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 06:47:44 PM
Superman returns was a bad idea then???

Yes.

What about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles?

They have the "time travel card", Alien(s) doesn't, unless that is a part of A5.

As much I like T:SC, I still find it superfluous and unimaginative.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 26, 2015, 07:03:02 PM
I just have a difficult time with how much this could retard growth. Every film in the series other than this has at least tried to be uniquely, tonally different from the last, trying to do and say different things within the existing framework - even the bad sequels do that. This, OTOH, sounds just like a riff on Aliens with the old favorites, doing more Neill Blomkamp shoot-up-the-Weyland-Yutani-baddies fun, just like his other films, which have had diminishing returns. Maybe Jodie Foster will even return to affect a terrible accent and demand that her stormtroopers kill Ripley before she can destroy the alien eggs. I just don't see what this approach could bring to the table that's new, beyond how lovely it would be to have Sigourney back.

This is what sank the Terminator franchise, first with the show and then with the films, to say nothing of the wretched Terminator 3. They keep trying to paper over what was a natural endpoint with loops within loops of time travel and it just gets sillier each time.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 26, 2015, 07:07:20 PM
It would be nice if Aliens could exist without ripley and still do well.. like the comics, and most games.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 07:08:05 PM
If they roboot the franchise im not having that as it ignores all the originals  :laugh:.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 05:32:03 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 05:16:16 PM
Fact is, the general audience gives about zero shits about this whole ordeal. Most don't even remember there were films after Aliens; and those that do do not remember them fondly. This decision is only pissing off some long time fans -- a small portion of the overall target audience.

Im not sure I agree with this,.. First, I will say again, I don't understand why it is necessary. And secondly, if the whole idea is to attract new fans and please the old, this will do neither.

Imagine what this will do to further boxed sets and interviews and to new fans who start watching the series from the beginning. It will be like, ok it ends w/ Alien 3 but then they made this A:R spin off and there's a cliffhanger that was never wrapped up, so then 20 years later they came back and retconned the third film so they could restart where they liked things? Why was that necessary?

I will say this again, every attempt to make the series more like what it was before, specifically in Aliens has been a step in the wrong direction and has arguably been what ruined everything after Alien 3. Take all the Aliens-ish stuff out of A:R and you have left all of the redeeming things in that script.

So here are the real questions I need to hear answered to take this in stride:

1. Why does it have to take place after Aliens and ignore 3 and 4?

2. Why can't it remain the spiritual successor to Aliens and still be a sequel to A:R (Just because people don't like it, is a lazy reason). It doesn't change that continuing on, it can still be a sequel.

3. Why can't it 'categorically' not feature what Ripley 8 was while still remaining a sequel to A:R? Why can't they just ignore A:R MOSTLY, but explain something away, in a way that doesn't detract from two other entires in the series?

I just have not heard a good reason and so I think we will end up with a bad film.

This is the same mistake all those PLATINUM DUNES remakes make. Its not that they are remakes, its that they attempt to reestablish the series, for instance FRIDAY THE 13th, to a place that it reached in stride after several sequels. And to do so it hamfists all this extra stuff to bring the film to where it once was, instead of letting its growth happen and it just feels forced.

There's been so many good answers to the questions you're posing that it would be extremely repetitive to address each single one.

But I'll say this about your first question "why does it have to be before A3 and A4?"

Very simply because that's what is available to Fox right now. If not this then the franchise might've stayed as is for an indefinite amount of time. It really looked like Fox just didn't know what to do with it. With Weaver not interested in continuing Ripley 8's story or anything earthbound, hopes for them closing that storyline were gone. And continuing the story with new characters after that movie without closing it properly was probably troublesome for them too.

So their solution was Prometheus. And they sat on Alien until the concept art Blomkamp made came to light. With Weaver interested in reprising her old role. It was clear they weren't going to ger a Ripley 8 conclusion, and they probably won't want to introduce potential torch carriers without a final Ripley send off. So if it means negating one conclusion and creating  a new one with the possibility of revitalizing the franchise with bew characters even after Weaver leaves, the studio will take it.

So again, it's not about fan pandering. It's about  $$$. I'm just hoping that they accepted Blomkamp's pitch because it was damn good and not out of desperation. I feel good about it though.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 26, 2015, 07:12:12 PM
Maybe I missed an interview, but I always got the impression Sigourney was very interested in continuing with Number Eight. I think it's FOX (and much of the general, non-fanbase audience) that have little interest in that iteration of the Ripley character or in the post-Aliens universe. And I can't blame them given the volatile quality of the sequels, but I also don't think simply retconning them out is the solution. If I was still twelve years old it would be a dream come true; as an adult it just comes off like desperate fan service.

And regardless of what Sigourney does or doesn't think, I personally don't think there is any market for an Alien sequel which continues onward from AR with Ripley 8 - the film is generally reviled and dismissed by what little of the public that saw or remembers it. But I also just don't think either option here is great.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 07:13:51 PM
"Genetic sibling", mmm... I prefer to take this as a hint that both Ellen Ripley and Hicks had twins and they will be the protagonists of the new movie...
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 26, 2015, 07:15:48 PM
Well it is fan pandering and about the money.

And years ago Weaver said she wanted to finish the ripley8 story
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Otto on Feb 26, 2015, 07:17:41 PM
Neil Blompkamp should stay the ***k away from this, and take his crap movies with him...sigh...
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 07:17:41 PM

Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 07:13:51 PM
"Genetic sibling", mmm... I prefer to take this as a hint that both Ellen Ripley and Hicks had twins and they will be the protagonists of the new movie...

They could also be synthetics modeled after those characters; the EU already published stories about them.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 26, 2015, 07:20:08 PM
Any previous EU that could have been cannon was washed away with the newet 3 novels werent they?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 07:21:24 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 06:57:35 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 06:42:30 PM
Sadly no one can be surprised at them thinking of writing out two films. The Alien series has little to no integrity both in its fanbase and the controlling company.

What is that supposed to mean?

Just that more people than I thought are willing to disregard two films, with one being an official ending to the main characters arc. Fox don't care for the franchise beyond money
Title: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 07:23:31 PM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 26, 2015, 07:20:08 PM
Any previous EU that could have been cannon was washed away with the newet 3 novels werent they?

As far as I know, no official decanonizing has occurred yet.  Regardless, I was giving a possible example of how the new film may not be a complete retcon, I wasn't suggesting they were the same characters from the EU.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 07:27:55 PM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 26, 2015, 07:20:08 PMAny previous EU that could have been cannon was washed away with the newet 3 novels werent they?

Nope. In fact the third book actually had scenes from Newt's Tale in it.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Apone's brother on Feb 26, 2015, 07:28:05 PM
Lol youre just upset because you've convinced yourself and have probably also tried to convince everyone you know, that Alien3 and Resurrection are good films. Keep moving forward Blomkamp, I cant wait to see your vision.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Lonely Universe on Feb 26, 2015, 07:29:39 PM
I'm so excited! This is what I've been waiting for since 1992, when I was 11!
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Bay on Feb 26, 2015, 07:32:31 PM
I wonder why all this rage about a possible retcon of A3 and A:Res.
I mean, ok for A3, but at the time, for doing Resurrection they were CLONING Ripley with an Alien inside her.
Well, maybe you didn't read that well. They DID CLONE a human with an alien species inside her from a damn blood sample (seriously, WTF?).
A very terrible and poor start point to make a sequel. But still some of you are upset about a possible retcon of Resurrection..mmmh..okay. :D
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 07:33:12 PM
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on Feb 26, 2015, 05:33:27 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 05:28:13 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:14:02 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
Then you are part of something much bigger that yourself and you should respect everything that's come before,

He is, hence why it's a sequel of sorts to the two best films in the series.

A spiritual sequel is one thing.  A fanboyish wank fest where a director ignores one-half of an entire franchise so he can play with real-life Ripley and Hicks action figures is something very different and very wrong.

I'm rather amused at how so many people are assuming this is just going to be a fanboy wank fest. It could be, but I actually think a new sequel to Aliens could make for a great storyline.
Oh and THIS, before it gets buried.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be \"Genetic Sibling\" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 26, 2015, 07:33:37 PM
I jsut dont see how this can be anything but  a clusterf**K


Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 07:33:12 PM
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on Feb 26, 2015, 05:33:27 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 05:28:13 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:14:02 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
Then you are part of something much bigger that yourself and you should respect everything that's come before,

He is, hence why it's a sequel of sorts to the two best films in the series.

A spiritual sequel is one thing.  A fanboyish wank fest where a director ignores one-half of an entire franchise so he can play with real-life Ripley and Hicks action figures is something very different and very wrong.

I'm rather amused at how so many people are assuming this is just going to be a fanboy wank fest. It could be, but I actually think a new sequel to Aliens could make for a great storyline.
Oh and THIS, before it gets buried.


thats becasue a rewrittting an established story is a fanfic wankfest
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 26, 2015, 07:33:37 PM
I jsut dont see how this can be anything but  a clusterf**K

As long as this cluster fvck churns out years of soulless moolah, that fans will smear their faces with, we're all good!
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 26, 2015, 07:41:36 PM
I think i would have preferred someone like gareth edwards instead
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 07:41:39 PM

Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 26, 2015, 07:33:37 PM
I jsut dont see how this can be anything but  a clusterf**K


Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 07:33:12 PM
Quote from: TimmyTurnersDad on Feb 26, 2015, 05:33:27 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 05:28:13 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:14:02 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
Then you are part of something much bigger that yourself and you should respect everything that's come before,

He is, hence why it's a sequel of sorts to the two best films in the series.

A spiritual sequel is one thing.  A fanboyish wank fest where a director ignores one-half of an entire franchise so he can play with real-life Ripley and Hicks action figures is something very different and very wrong.

I'm rather amused at how so many people are assuming this is just going to be a fanboy wank fest. It could be, but I actually think a new sequel to Aliens could make for a great storyline.
Oh and THIS, before it gets buried.


thats becasue a rewrittting an established story is a fanfic wankfest

Prometheus arguably did the same with the AVP films and no one complained.  I don't get why it's so surprising to so many people that the producers would do the same thing again but just... MORE.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
Got alien 3 on now lol.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Doggo33 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:42:28 PM
I just had an idea:

Make it a dream. If you plan to set it between 'Alien 3' and 'Alien: Resurrection', make sure it is a dream. That doesn't contradict anything, plus it will exempt the film from any criticism in terms of differences and new things added contradicting. Any difference in the Alien's abilities can simply be explained by the fact that it's a dream. Though please don't edit the Aliens abilities.

And please don't ruin the mystery of the Aliens. No showing them grow or something like that. Mystery is good. Modern filmmakers don't seem to understand that but it would be great if they could.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 07:47:12 PM
Quote from: CelticPred97 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:42:28 PMMake it a dream. If you plan to set it between 'Alien 3' and 'Alien: Resurrection', make sure it is a dream. That doesn't contradict anything, plus it will exempt the film from any criticism in terms of differences and new things added contradicting. Any difference in the Alien's abilities can simply be explained by the fact that it's a dream. Though please don't edit the Aliens abilities.

It will also instantly and completely remove any tension from the story.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: shakermakerman on Feb 26, 2015, 07:52:18 PM
Quote from: CelticPred97 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:42:28 PM
I just had an idea:

Make it a dream. If you plan to set it between 'Alien 3' and 'Alien: Resurrection', make sure it is a dream. That doesn't contradict anything, plus it will exempt the film from any criticism in terms of differences and new things added contradicting. Any difference in the Alien's abilities can simply be explained by the fact that it's a dream. Though please don't edit the Aliens abilities.

And please don't ruin the mystery of the Aliens. No showing them grow or something like that. Mystery is good. Modern filmmakers don't seem to understand that but it would be great if they could.
http://www.scified.com/site/aliensvspredator/could-20th-century-fox-be-planning-to-retcon-the-alien-saga (http://www.scified.com/site/aliensvspredator/could-20th-century-fox-be-planning-to-retcon-the-alien-saga)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 08:02:44 PM
I very much take issue with the idea that Resurrection was a dead end.  You can have an excellent, exciting movie with the weird elements from that film.  It's problem wasn't the weirdness but just the poor plot.  Imagine an exciting, well-written film featuring some of the abominations of Cunningham (http://alienexplorations.blogspot.co.uk/1997/06/chris-cunningham-halls-newborn-alien.html) and Schell (http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/1997/09/jordu-schell-alien-resurrection-concept.html) brought to life.  You could have a film where alien/human hybrids like the newborn (it wasn't a good design but we only saw it as, well, a newborn) gain human-like intelligence and become opponents or allies of the humans.  Resurrection suffered from poor writing but it opened up a wealth of new possibilities.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:04:49 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 08:02:44 PMI very much take issue with the idea that Resurrection was a dead end.  You can have an excellent, exciting movie with the weird elements from that film.

Yeah, I get people saying they didn't like it. But when people flat-out say there was nowhere to go afterwards like it's a definitive fact... What are they on about?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 26, 2015, 08:06:54 PM
I wouldnt really want ripley 8s story to go on but saying it was a dead end is just ridiculous, she survived, she made it to earth they had a ship. they could have done anything (within reason)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:07:15 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:04:49 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 08:02:44 PMI very much take issue with the idea that Resurrection was a dead end.  You can have an excellent, exciting movie with the weird elements from that film.

Yeah, I get people saying they didn't like it. But when people flat-out say there was nowhere to go afterwards like it's a definitive fact... What are they on about?

Agreed. Total baloney.
Title: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:08:05 PM
Not that I agree with them, but Aliens: Original Sin didn't really help out the case that Ripley 8's storyline could get any fresher, Sea of Sorrows wasn't that great either. :-\
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 08:09:24 PM
Quote from: CelticPred97 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:42:28 PM
Make it a dream. If you plan to set it between 'Alien 3' and 'Alien: Resurrection', make sure it is a dream. That doesn't contradict anything, plus it will exempt the film from any criticism in terms of differences and new things added contradicting. Any difference in the Alien's abilities can simply be explained by the fact that it's a dream. Though please don't edit the Aliens abilities.

No, no, no. That would be WORSE than just ignoring the two sequels.

We don't need to do what Dallas and Roseanne did for their series to the Alien franchise.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 26, 2015, 08:10:00 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:08:05 PM
Not that I agree with them, but Aliens: Original Sin didn't really help out the case that Ripley 8's storyline could get any fresher. :-\

That wasnt a strong story to begi with. Ripley is pretty played out.. you cant really do much more with her
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:11:21 PM
There's nothing wrong with a new Alien movie that happens to take a different direction after ALIENS that shows what else could've happened.  A3/A:R will still exist.  Im loving the news coming out so far, I think it has a lot of potential and I think MOST people want this.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 08:13:35 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:08:05 PM
Not that I agree with them, but Aliens: Original Sin didn't really help out the case that Ripley 8's storyline could get any fresher, Sea of Sorrows wasn't that great either. :-\

Again, poor writing.  Original Sin was just boring until the very end.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:22:52 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:11:21 PM
There's nothing wrong with a new Alien movie that happens to take a different direction after ALIENS that shows what else could've happened.  A3/A:R will still exist.  Im loving the news coming out so far, I think it has a lot of potential and I think MOST people want this.

It has a lot of potential to cheapen and water down the franchise till there is nothing left (we're already pretty close to that point as it is anyways...)

Once you start making retcons and reboots you open up the gates for another round of retcons and reboots and remakes and whatnot.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 08:23:25 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 07:21:24 PM
Just that more people than I thought are willing to disregard two films, with one being an official ending to the main characters arc. Fox don't care for the franchise beyond money

Yeah... Yeah that's right.

Just feel like...this franchise isn't for fans like me anymore.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Rex on Feb 26, 2015, 08:24:06 PM
Blomkamp ignoring 3 and Resurrection at this point is pathetic...utterly pathetic...a TRUE creative write could have just picked up from Resurrection and made an amazing film that would rival Alien and Aliens.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be \"Genetic Sibling\" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 08:28:52 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 07:26:07 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 05:32:03 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 05:16:16 PM
Fact is, the general audience gives about zero shits about this whole ordeal. Most don't even remember there were films after Aliens; and those that do do not remember them fondly. This decision is only pissing off some long time fans -- a small portion of the overall target audience.

Im not sure I agree with this,.. First, I will say again, I don't understand why it is necessary. And secondly, if the whole idea is to attract new fans and please the old, this will do neither.

Imagine what this will do to further boxed sets and interviews and to new fans who start watching the series from the beginning. It will be like, ok it ends w/ Alien 3 but then they made this A:R spin off and there's a cliffhanger that was never wrapped up, so then 20 years later they came back and retconned the third film so they could restart where they liked things? Why was that necessary?

I will say this again, every attempt to make the series more like what it was before, specifically in Aliens has been a step in the wrong direction and has arguably been what ruined everything after Alien 3. Take all the Aliens-ish stuff out of A:R and you have left all of the redeeming things in that script.

So here are the real questions I need to hear answered to take this in stride:

1. Why does it have to take place after Aliens and ignore 3 and 4?

2. Why can't it remain the spiritual successor to Aliens and still be a sequel to A:R (Just because people don't like it, is a lazy reason). It doesn't change that continuing on, it can still be a sequel.

3. Why can't it 'categorically' not feature what Ripley 8 was while still remaining a sequel to A:R? Why can't they just ignore A:R MOSTLY, but explain something away, in a way that doesn't detract from two other entires in the series?

I just have not heard a good reason and so I think we will end up with a bad film.

This is the same mistake all those PLATINUM DUNES remakes make. Its not that they are remakes, its that they attempt to reestablish the series, for instance FRIDAY THE 13th, to a place that it reached in stride after several sequels. And to do so it hamfists all this extra stuff to bring the film to where it once was, instead of letting its growth happen and it just feels forced.

There's been so many good answers to the questions you're posing that it would be extremely repetitive to address each single one.

But I'll say this about your first question "why does it have to be before A3 and A4?"

Very simply because that's what is available to Fox right now. If not this then the franchise might've stayed as is for an indefinite amount of time. It really looked like Fox just didn't know what to do with it. With Weaver not interested in continuing Ripley 8's story or anything earthbound, hopes for them closing that storyline were gone. And continuing the story with new characters after that movie without closing it properly was probably troublesome for them too.

So their solution was Prometheus. And they sat on Alien until the concept art Blomkamp made came to light. With Weaver interested in reprising her old role. It was clear they weren't going to ger a Ripley 8 conclusion, and they probably won't want to introduce potential torch carriers without a final Ripley send off. So if it means negating one conclusion and creating  a new one with the possibility of revitalizing the franchise with bew characters even after Weaver leaves, the studio will take it.

So again, it's not about fan pandering. It's about  $$$. I'm just hoping that they accepted Blomkamp's pitch because it was damn good and not out of desperation. I feel good about it though.

Im sorry but it is so easy to continue the franchise from where it left off and still ignore the stranger parts of 4 while returning to the vibe of Aliens. Again. It's lazy. I am not sold that it is at all necessary nor do I believe BLOMKAMP of all people couldnt do it better than possibly anyone. That's the worst part of this is that I think he could have accomplished it better than anyone else and still can.

Weaver never said she didn't like Ripley 8. She said it was her entire reason for returning. She also had a large hand in killing off Hicks and Newt and never said she didn't want to return to Ripley 8. She just didn't want the aliens to get to earth and didn't want to manufacture the fifth sequel.

You say this is what is available to them as if they were actively throwing money at writers to come up with something. Not at all. They were busy with AVP and then turned to Prometheus to fix the mess they made. It worked and now this perfect director showed interest but 'Only if the studio doesn't interfere' Well, I'm hoping the Producers DO interfere with this one very big mess of a decision.

You then say its about $$$ - but that's baloney. You know perfectly well that an Alien 5 by Blomkamp with Weaver after the hype Prometheus re-instated for the series will make a fortune good or bad.

Again, I just don't see why it's necessary at all.

It's not lazy at all. It's that Blomkamp didn't want some new characters to lead a new movie. He wanted these classic heros back. It's his vision. The manner in which he actually retcons the story, there it might be lazy. But we don't know how he will do it.

I didn't say she didn't like Ripley 8, but she did say she lost interest. And pretty much regained interest in the original Ripley.

And no I definitely do not mean Fox was actively seeking directors or scripts for a new movie. But it wasn't out of the picture either. They had no promising leads to follow so they just didn't do anything with it. I'm sure there was some pitches similar to what many suggested. New characters and separate stories and so on. But you know how studios are. They see it as a risk. A very big one considering the last two entries in this franchise were very controversial. Ripley returning was probably  a big sell for them.

And I meant it's about  $$$ for FOX. For Blomkamp this is a labor of love. He just happens to be one of the fans that never wanted Hicks and Newt to die. It was just a story for him and he probably thought Fox would never allow such a contradiction to be greenlit so he let it loose on the internet. The story must have been pretty good seeing as how fast Fox consented to it. Specially when Blomkamp stated he wouldn't do it unless it was on his terms.
Title: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:29:35 PM
If we ain't getting an AVP3 then we most certainly aren't getting an Alien 5. :P
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 08:35:01 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:29:35 PM
If we ain't getting an AVP3 then we most certainly aren't getting an Alien 5. :P

I hear that..  :-\
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be \"Genetic Sibling\" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:39:36 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 08:28:52 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 07:26:07 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 05:32:03 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 05:16:16 PM
Fact is, the general audience gives about zero shits about this whole ordeal. Most don't even remember there were films after Aliens; and those that do do not remember them fondly. This decision is only pis

sing off some long time fans -- a small portion of the overall target audience.

Im not sure I agree with this,.. First, I will say again, I don't understand why it is necessary. And secondly, if the whole idea is to attract new fans and please the old, this will do neither.

Imagine what this will do to further boxed sets and interviews and to new fans who start watching the series from the beginning. It will be like, ok it ends w/ Alien 3 but then they made this A:R spin off and there's a cliffhanger that was never wrapped up, so then 20 years later they came back and retconned the third film so they could restart where they liked things? Why was that necessary?

I will say this again, every attempt to make the series more like what it was before, specifically in Aliens has been a step in the wrong direction and has arguably been what ruined everything after Alien 3. Take all the Aliens-ish stuff out of A:R and you have left all of the redeeming things in that script.

So here are the real questions I need to hear answered to take this in stride:

1. Why does it have to take place after Aliens and ignore 3 and 4?

2. Why can't it remain the spiritual successor to Aliens and still be a sequel to A:R (Just because people don't like it, is a lazy reason). It doesn't change that continuing on, it can still be a sequel.

3. Why can't it 'categorically' not feature what Ripley 8 was while still remaining a sequel to A:R? Why can't they just ignore A:R MOSTLY, but explain something away, in a way that doesn't detract from two other entires in the series?

I just have not heard a good reason and so I think we will end up with a bad film.

This is the same mistake all those PLATINUM DUNES remakes make. Its not that they are remakes, its that they attempt to reestablish the series, for instance FRIDAY THE 13th, to a place that it reached in stride after several sequels. And to do so it hamfists all this extra stuff to bring the film to where it once was, instead of letting its growth happen and it just feels forced.

There's been so many good answers to the questions you're posing that it would be extremely repetitive to address each single one.

But I'll say this about your first question "why does it have to be before A3 and A4?"

Very simply because that's what is available to Fox right now. If not this then the franchise might've stayed as is for an indefinite amount of time. It really looked like Fox just didn't know what to do with it. With Weaver not interested in continuing Ripley 8's story or anything earthbound, hopes for them closing that storyline were gone. And continuing the story with new characters after that movie without closing it properly was probably troublesome for them too.

So their solution was Prometheus. And they sat on Alien until the concept art Blomkamp made came to light. With Weaver interested in reprising her old role. It was clear they weren't going to ger a Ripley 8 conclusion, and they probably won't want to introduce potential torch carriers without a final Ripley send off. So if it means negating one conclusion and creating  a new one with the possibility of revitalizing the franchise with bew characters even after Weaver leaves, the studio will take it.

So again, it's not about fan pandering. It's about  $$$. I'm just hoping that they accepted Blomkamp's pitch because it was damn good and not out of desperation. I feel good about it though.

Im sorry but it is so easy to continue the franchise from where it left off and still ignore the stranger parts of 4 while returning to the vibe of Aliens. Again. It's lazy. I am not sold that it is at all necessary nor do I believe BLOMKAMP of all people couldnt do it better than possibly anyone. That's the worst part of this is that I think he could have accomplished it better than anyone else and still can.

Weaver never said she didn't like Ripley 8. She said it was her entire reason for returning. She also had a large hand in killing off Hicks and Newt and never said she didn't want to return to Ripley 8. She just didn't want the aliens to get to earth and didn't want to manufacture the fifth sequel.

You say this is what is available to them as if they were actively throwing money at writers to come up with something. Not at all. They were busy with AVP and then turned to Prometheus to fix the mess they made. It worked and now this perfect director showed interest but 'Only if the studio doesn't interfere' Well, I'm hoping the Producers DO interfere with this one very big mess of a decision.

You then say its about $$$ - but that's baloney. You know perfectly well that an Alien 5 by Blomkamp with Weaver after the hype Prometheus re-instated for the series will make a fortune good or bad.

Again, I just don't see why it's necessary at all.

It's not lazy at all. It's that Blomkamp didn't want some new characters to lead a new movie. He wanted these classic heros back. It's his vision. The manner in which he actually retcons the story, there it might be lazy. But we don't know how he will do it.

I didn't say she didn't like Ripley 8, but she did say she lost interest. And pretty much regained interest in the original Ripley.

And no I definitely do not mean Fox was actively seeking directors or scripts for a new movie. But it wasn't out of the picture either. They had no promising leads to follow so they just didn't do anything with it. I'm sure there was some pitches similar to what many suggested. New characters and separate stories and so on. But you know how studios are. They see it as a risk. A very big one considering the last two entries in this franchise were very controversial. Ripley returning was probably  a big sell for them.

And I meant it's about  $$$ for FOX. For Blomkamp this is a labor of love. He just happens to be one of the fans that never wanted Hicks and Newt to die. It was just a story for him and he probably thought Fox would never allow such a contradiction to be greenlit so he let it loose on the internet. The story must have been pretty good seeing as how fast Fox consented to it. Specially when Blomkamp stated he wouldn't do it unless it was on his terms.

So what you're saying is that Blomkamp isn't lazy and cheap but that he is lazy and cheap, and that FOX aren't only thinking about the money but that they only think about the money?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Mike on Feb 26, 2015, 08:40:49 PM
This is just awesome Alien news! This is the perfect way to go! Retcon the sequels that are blocking way to make a awesome film. I don't understand some that are saying its a lazy way out or if a creative writer was great he would continue off from AR. No, thats just not the way to do it. Continue off from a "classic movie". The last movie that was still great in the Lore. Not from the films that took the story elsewhere. I love A3 but this new movie could be a alternate timeline were the viewer gets to decide which is cannon or not. Everyone wins. This is going to be the best Alien movie since Aliens. Blowing out AR, AVP, AVPR, Prometheus, Prometheus 2. Viewers can have there continuity like this,,

1) Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, AR

Or,,

2) Alien, Aliens, Alien 5

The cannon is the viewer, which ever the fan prefers. Also the new movie would serve as a alternate progression which is very cool so see in a cool character of a cool franchise like this. That is of course Lt. Ripley.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:41:06 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:22:52 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:11:21 PM
There's nothing wrong with a new Alien movie that happens to take a different direction after ALIENS that shows what else could've happened.  A3/A:R will still exist.  Im loving the news coming out so far, I think it has a lot of potential and I think MOST people want this.

It has a lot of potential to cheapen and water down the franchise till there is nothing left (we're already pretty close to that point as it is anyways...)

Once you start making retcons and reboots you open up the gates for another round of retcons and reboots and remakes and whatnot.

I feel that Alien 3 and Resurrection cheapened and watered down the franchise, and started the downfall that eventually led to the place the franchise is currently in. Again, its really just an alternative "canon/timeline".  It doesnt necessarily mean A3 and A:R dont exist.

Quote from: Rex on Feb 26, 2015, 08:24:06 PM
Blomkamp ignoring 3 and Resurrection at this point is pathetic...utterly pathetic...a TRUE creative write could have just picked up from Resurrection and made an amazing film that would rival Alien and Aliens.

Resurrection buried itself.  There is nowhere to go after Resurrection.  Terrible ripley 8 character that is weird and likes aliens more than humans apparently, and an earth setting....no thanks.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 08:42:35 PM
The term "genetic sibling" leads me to believe that 3 and Resurrection won't be wiped out entirely.  If this film was going to be a direct sequel to Aliens that completely ignored later continuity, they probably would have said it outright.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Hellspawn28 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:45:27 PM
I don't get why people are upset about A3 and A:R being wiped out completely? It's not they are going to be gone forever since they are still on DVD and Blu-Ray. A decade ago or more, everyone would be happy for this news. Now in 2015, people are upset about the idea of A3 and A:R being ignored for good  ??? ?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:41:06 PM
Again, its really just an alternative "canon/timeline".  It doesnt necessarily mean A3 and A:R dont exist.

But not an official alternative canon/timeline. And I think that's what Fox should console us fans with.. An official statement that there is an alternative canon/timeline. It's something I have been advocating for since 2013.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:45:27 PM
I don't get why people are upset about A3 and A:R being wiped out completely? It's not they are going to be gone forever since they are still on DVD and Blu-Ray. A decade ago or more, everyone would be happy for this news. Now in 2015, people are upset about the idea of A3 and A:R being ignored for good  ??? ?

Back in 1997, they couldn't have retconned A3/AR bc they were still fresh.  But now its been long enough that its doable.  The alien franchise was DEAD after AR bc there was literally nowhere for it to go after that.  It buried itself and wrote itself into a corner after AR.  Not enough time has passed that its more acceptable to "retcon" A3 and AR and reinvigorate the franchise with a new/better direction. 

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:41:06 PM
Again, its really just an alternative "canon/timeline".  It doesnt necessarily mean A3 and A:R dont exist.

But not an official alternative canon/timeline. And I think that's what Fox should console us fans with.. An official statement that there is an alternative canon/timeline. It's something I have been advocating for since 2013.

Well as some have said, you dont really need FOX's approval to have what you consider YOUR personal canon/timeline.  Alien fans have been doing that since 1986.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:41:06 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:22:52 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:11:21 PM
There's nothing wrong with a new Alien movie that happens to take a different direction after ALIENS that shows what else could've happened.  A3/A:R will still exist.  Im loving the news coming out so far, I think it has a lot of potential and I think MOST people want this.


It has a lot of potential to cheapen and water down the franchise till there is nothing left (we're already pretty close to that point as it is anyways...)

Once you start making retcons and reboots you open up the gates for another round of retcons and reboots and remakes and whatnot.

I feel that Alien 3 and Resurrection cheapened and watered down the franchise, and started the downfall that eventually led to the place the franchise is currently in. Again, its really just an alternative "canon/timeline".  It doesnt necessarily mean A3 and A:R dont exist.

How? By trying to push the envelope and make something different and creative instead of repeating ad naseum what has already been done in ALIENS and in the comics/games/novels a billion times, one cheesier than the other?

I guess ALIENS porn is what the so called "real alien fans" want. Basic repetition, in-and-out, same stuff same time next week every week!
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:41:06 PMThere is nowhere to go after Resurrection.

Again with people talking this rubbish! There's an entire universe of possibilities post-Resurrection!
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 08:50:54 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:45:27 PM
I don't get why people are upset about A3 and A:R being wiped out completely? It's not they are going to be gone forever since they are still on DVD and Blu-Ray. A decade ago or more, everyone would be happy for this news. Now in 2015, people are upset about the idea of A3 and A:R being ignored for good  ??? ?

Back in 1997, they couldn't have retconned A3/AR bc they were still fresh.  But now its been long enough that its doable.  The alien franchise was DEAD after AR bc there was literally nowhere for it to go after that.  It buried itself and wrote itself into a corner after AR.  Not enough time has passed that its more acceptable to "retcon" A3 and AR and reinvigorate the franchise with a new/better direction.

How did it bury itself?  The characters and universe are still there to be used.  If anything, it is the Alien film that most left itself open to a sequel.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 08:51:59 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:48:42 PM
Well as some have said, you dont really need FOX's approval to have what you consider YOUR personal canon/timeline.  Alien fans have been doing that since 1986.

But it doesn't feel like it's enough. I want an official alternative banner.. Star Wars has f**king Legends, Fox should give us something similar.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:52:09 PM

Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 08:42:35 PM
The term "genetic sibling" leads me to believe that 3 and Resurrection won't be wiped out entirely.  If this film was going to be a direct sequel to Aliens that completely ignored later continuity, they probably would have said it outright.

Normally I'd agree but when Prometheus was reported to have strands of Alien DNA in it, everyone took it literally and assume it to be a spinoff; since that worked out exactly as they said, I'm more inclined to listen to them now than I usually would.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:53:26 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:41:06 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:22:52 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:11:21 PM
There's nothing wrong with a new Alien movie that happens to take a different direction after ALIENS that shows what else could've happened.  A3/A:R will still exist.  Im loving the news coming out so far, I think it has a lot of potential and I think MOST people want this.


It has a lot of potential to cheapen and water down the franchise till there is nothing left (we're already pretty close to that point as it is anyways...)

Once you start making retcons and reboots you open up the gates for another round of retcons and reboots and remakes and whatnot.

I feel that Alien 3 and Resurrection cheapened and watered down the franchise, and started the downfall that eventually led to the place the franchise is currently in. Again, its really just an alternative "canon/timeline".  It doesnt necessarily mean A3 and A:R dont exist.

How? By trying to push the envelope and make something new and creative instead of repeating as naseum what has already been done in ALIENS and in the comics/games/novels a billion times, one cheesier than the other?

I guess ALIENS porn is what the so called "real alien fans" want. Basic repetition, in-and-out, same stuff same time next week every week!

It can go in a different direction after ALIENS that doesnt necessarily mean its going to have to be a carbon copy of ALIENS.  Just because it might feature more fan fovorite characters, doesnt mean its going to be more of the same ALIENS as before. 

The thing with ALIEN and ALIENS, was that all the characters kind of knew and cared for ripley and vice versa.  The crew of the Nostromo and the squad of Marines.  The prisoners on Fury 161 didnt give a shit about Ripley and thus werent really good supporting characters.  Same with the betty crew from A:R.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:41:06 PMThere is nowhere to go after Resurrection.

Again with people talking this rubbish! There's an entire universe of possibilities post-Resurrection!
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 08:50:54 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:45:27 PM
I don't get why people are upset about A3 and A:R being wiped out completely? It's not they are going to be gone forever since they are still on DVD and Blu-Ray. A decade ago or more, everyone would be happy for this news. Now in 2015, people are upset about the idea of A3 and A:R being ignored for good  ??? ?

Back in 1997, they couldn't have retconned A3/AR bc they were still fresh.  But now its been long enough that its doable.  The alien franchise was DEAD after AR bc there was literally nowhere for it to go after that.  It buried itself and wrote itself into a corner after AR.  Not enough time has passed that its more acceptable to "retcon" A3 and AR and reinvigorate the franchise with a new/better direction.

How did it bury itself?  The characters and universe are still there to be used.  If anything, it is the Alien film that most left itself open to a sequel.

I guess what I meant was, there was no GOOD direction for it to go after A:R.  Noone really should want an earth setting alien movie with Ripley 8 as the lead.  Some may indeed want that, but Ripley 8 is NOT the Ripley we all know and love.  She's an imposter as far as i'm concerned.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 26, 2015, 08:55:13 PM
 :laugh: From IO9:

QuoteTime travel solves everything. Prometheus' Engineers are humans from the far future. They create time travel and go back to primordial Earth to seed our planet with a more benevolent form of human.

Prometheus' Engineer is violent upon awakening because he/she realizes the experiment didn't work — humans are just as ridiculous and combative as ever.

Meanwhile, the Engineer's ship on LV-426 was equipped with a time travel device and, when Ripley and co destroy Hadley's Hope at the end of Aliens, it is triggered (perhaps as a self-preservation device) and two timelines are created — one where Alien 3 and 4 occurred and a (better) one where Blomkamp's movie takes places.

Bonus: time travel can't be utilized to resolve plot points in future movies because it's an unaccessible Engineer technology (or is it...?)

http://io9.com/neill-blomkamp-hints-the-new-alien-movie-will-wipe-out-1688132671 (http://io9.com/neill-blomkamp-hints-the-new-alien-movie-will-wipe-out-1688132671)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be \"Genetic Sibling\" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 08:57:42 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:39:36 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 08:28:52 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 07:26:07 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 07:08:24 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 26, 2015, 05:32:03 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 05:16:16 PM
Fact is, the general audience gives about zero shits about this whole ordeal. Most don't even remember there were films after Aliens; and those that do do not remember them fondly. This decision is only pis

sing off some long time fans -- a small portion of the overall target audience.

Im not sure I agree with this,.. First, I will say again, I don't understand why it is necessary. And secondly, if the whole idea is to attract new fans and please the old, this will do neither.

Imagine what this will do to further boxed sets and interviews and to new fans who start watching the series from the beginning. It will be like, ok it ends w/ Alien 3 but then they made this A:R spin off and there's a cliffhanger that was never wrapped up, so then 20 years later they came back and retconned the third film so they could restart where they liked things? Why was that necessary?

I will say this again, every attempt to make the series more like what it was before, specifically in Aliens has been a step in the wrong direction and has arguably been what ruined everything after Alien 3. Take all the Aliens-ish stuff out of A:R and you have left all of the redeeming things in that script.

So here are the real questions I need to hear answered to take this in stride:

1. Why does it have to take place after Aliens and ignore 3 and 4?

2. Why can't it remain the spiritual successor to Aliens and still be a sequel to A:R (Just because people don't like it, is a lazy reason). It doesn't change that continuing on, it can still be a sequel.

3. Why can't it 'categorically' not feature what Ripley 8 was while still remaining a sequel to A:R? Why can't they just ignore A:R MOSTLY, but explain something away, in a way that doesn't detract from two other entires in the series?

I just have not heard a good reason and so I think we will end up with a bad film.

This is the same mistake all those PLATINUM DUNES remakes make. Its not that they are remakes, its that they attempt to reestablish the series, for instance FRIDAY THE 13th, to a place that it reached in stride after several sequels. And to do so it hamfists all this extra stuff to bring the film to where it once was, instead of letting its growth happen and it just feels forced.

There's been so many good answers to the questions you're posing that it would be extremely repetitive to address each single one.

But I'll say this about your first question "why does it have to be before A3 and A4?"

Very simply because that's what is available to Fox right now. If not this then the franchise might've stayed as is for an indefinite amount of time. It really looked like Fox just didn't know what to do with it. With Weaver not interested in continuing Ripley 8's story or anything earthbound, hopes for them closing that storyline were gone. And continuing the story with new characters after that movie without closing it properly was probably troublesome for them too.

So their solution was Prometheus. And they sat on Alien until the concept art Blomkamp made came to light. With Weaver interested in reprising her old role. It was clear they weren't going to ger a Ripley 8 conclusion, and they probably won't want to introduce potential torch carriers without a final Ripley send off. So if it means negating one conclusion and creating  a new one with the possibility of revitalizing the franchise with bew characters even after Weaver leaves, the studio will take it.

So again, it's not about fan pandering. It's about  $$$. I'm just hoping that they accepted Blomkamp's pitch because it was damn good and not out of desperation. I feel good about it though.

Im sorry but it is so easy to continue the franchise from where it left off and still ignore the stranger parts of 4 while returning to the vibe of Aliens. Again. It's lazy. I am not sold that it is at all necessary nor do I believe BLOMKAMP of all people couldnt do it better than possibly anyone. That's the worst part of this is that I think he could have accomplished it better than anyone else and still can.

Weaver never said she didn't like Ripley 8. She said it was her entire reason for returning. She also had a large hand in killing off Hicks and Newt and never said she didn't want to return to Ripley 8. She just didn't want the aliens to get to earth and didn't want to manufacture the fifth sequel.

You say this is what is available to them as if they were actively throwing money at writers to come up with something. Not at all. They were busy with AVP and then turned to Prometheus to fix the mess they made. It worked and now this perfect director showed interest but 'Only if the studio doesn't interfere' Well, I'm hoping the Producers DO interfere with this one very big mess of a decision.

You then say its about $$$ - but that's baloney. You know perfectly well that an Alien 5 by Blomkamp with Weaver after the hype Prometheus re-instated for the series will make a fortune good or bad.

Again, I just don't see why it's necessary at all.

It's not lazy at all. It's that Blomkamp didn't want some new characters to lead a new movie. He wanted these classic heros back. It's his vision. The manner in which he actually retcons the story, there it might be lazy. But we don't know how he will do it.

I didn't say she didn't like Ripley 8, but she did say she lost interest. And pretty much regained interest in the original Ripley.

And no I definitely do not mean Fox was actively seeking directors or scripts for a new movie. But it wasn't out of the picture either. They had no promising leads to follow so they just didn't do anything with it. I'm sure there was some pitches similar to what many suggested. New characters and separate stories and so on. But you know how studios are. They see it as a risk. A very big one considering the last two entries in this franchise were very controversial. Ripley returning was probably  a big sell for them.

And I meant it's about  $$$ for FOX. For Blomkamp this is a labor of love. He just happens to be one of the fans that never wanted Hicks and Newt to die. It was just a story for him and he probably thought Fox would never allow such a contradiction to be greenlit so he let it loose on the internet. The story must have been pretty good seeing as how fast Fox consented to it. Specially when Blomkamp stated he wouldn't do it unless it was on his terms.

So what you're saying is that Blomkamp isn't lazy and cheap but that he is lazy and cheap, and that FOX aren't only thinking about the money but that they only think about the money?
I made a distinction between Fox and Blomkamp. How you choose to interpret it is up to you.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:53:26 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:41:06 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:22:52 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:11:21 PM
There's nothing wrong with a new Alien movie that happens to take a different direction after ALIENS that shows what else could've happened.  A3/A:R will still exist.  Im loving the news coming out so far, I think it has a lot of potential and I think MOST people want this.


It has a lot of potential to cheapen and water down the franchise till there is nothing left (we're already pretty close to that point as it is anyways...)

Once you start making retcons and reboots you open up the gates for another round of retcons and reboots and remakes and whatnot.

I feel that Alien 3 and Resurrection cheapened and watered down the franchise, and started the downfall that eventually led to the place the franchise is currently in. Again, its really just an alternative "canon/timeline".  It doesnt necessarily mean A3 and A:R dont exist.

How? By trying to push the envelope and make something new and creative instead of repeating as naseum what has already been done in ALIENS and in the comics/games/novels a billion times, one cheesier than the other?

I guess ALIENS porn is what the so called "real alien fans" want. Basic repetition, in-and-out, same stuff same time next week every week!

It can go in a different direction after ALIENS that doesnt necessarily mean its going to have to be a carbon copy of ALIENS.  Just because it might feature more fan fovorite characters, doesnt mean its going to be more of the same ALIENS as before. 

The thing with ALIEN and ALIENS, was that all the characters kind of knew and cared for ripley and vice versa.  The crew of the Nostromo and the squad of Marines.  The prisoners on Fury 161 didnt give a shit about Ripley and thus werent really good supporting characters.  Same with the betty crew from A:R.

In the end they did.  Both Dillon and Aaron sacrificed their lives for Ripley and Morse got shot as well for defying the Company.  In Resurrection, Ripley and Call developed a close relationship and even Johner improved.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:59:33 PM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 26, 2015, 08:55:13 PM
:laugh: From IO9:

QuoteTime travel solves everything. Prometheus' Engineers are humans from the far future. They create time travel and go back to primordial Earth to seed our planet with a more benevolent form of human.

Prometheus' Engineer is violent upon awakening because he/she realizes the experiment didn't work — humans are just as ridiculous and combative as ever.

Meanwhile, the Engineer's ship on LV-426 was equipped with a time travel device and, when Ripley and co destroy the planet at the end of Aliens, it is triggered (perhaps as a self-preservation device) and two timelines are created — one where Alien 3 and 4 occurred and a (better) one where Blomkamp's movie takes places.

Bonus: time travel can't be utilized to resolve plot points in future movies because it's an unaccessible Engineer technology (or is it...?)

http://io9.com/neill-blomkamp-hints-the-new-alien-movie-will-wipe-out-1688132671 (http://io9.com/neill-blomkamp-hints-the-new-alien-movie-will-wipe-out-1688132671)

Time travel should NOT exist in the Alien universe, im sorry.  It doesnt fit in with the grounded feeling of believability the alien films have/had.  Thats why id rather just not acknowledge A3/AR than try to make up some stupid "time travel" reason.  Even the dream idea would make more sense at least.   
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 09:00:00 PM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 26, 2015, 08:55:13 PM
:laugh: From IO9:

QuoteTime travel solves everything. Prometheus' Engineers are humans from the far future. They create time travel and go back to primordial Earth to seed our planet with a more benevolent form of human.

Prometheus' Engineer is violent upon awakening because he/she realizes the experiment didn't work — humans are just as ridiculous and combative as ever.

Meanwhile, the Engineer's ship on LV-426 was equipped with a time travel device and, when Ripley and co destroy the planet at the end of Aliens, it is triggered (perhaps as a self-preservation device) and two timelines are created — one where Alien 3 and 4 occurred and a (crappier) one where Blomkamp's movie takes places.

Bonus: time travel can't be utilized to resolve plot points in future movies because it's an unaccessible Engineer technology (or is it...?)

http://io9.com/neill-blomkamp-hints-the-new-alien-movie-will-wipe-out-1688132671 (http://io9.com/neill-blomkamp-hints-the-new-alien-movie-will-wipe-out-1688132671)

Getting lamer and lamer...

PS: Fixed it btw!  ;)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:00:19 PM
It looks like wishful thinking. Kind of a sign that people do actually want a retcon...

I don't see websites rising with torches at the idea, or demanding the studio to keep Alien 3 and 4 in-continuity...


Studios, take note.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Russ on Feb 26, 2015, 09:02:01 PM
Of course Fox only care about the money. It's all any movie company cares about: profit trumps product every single time. 
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 09:03:10 PM
Is there any version of that video that is not private?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 09:07:10 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:00:19 PM
It looks like wishful thinking. Kind of a sign that people do actually want a retcon...

I don't see websites rising with torches at the idea, or demanding the studio to keep Alien 3 and 4 in-continuity...


Studios, take note.

That's because quantity always trumps quality.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:12:35 PM
This Blomkapf guy, I think he's really respectful of what made Alien great. I don't see reason to respect Alien 3 since the whole premise was made up on the run becuase of Biehn signing off the movie and the rushed and messy development of the movie.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:59 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 09:00:00 PM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 26, 2015, 08:55:13 PM
:laugh: From IO9:

QuoteTime travel solves everything. Prometheus' Engineers are humans from the far future. They create time travel and go back to primordial Earth to seed our planet with a more benevolent form of human.

Prometheus' Engineer is violent upon awakening because he/she realizes the experiment didn't work — humans are just as ridiculous and combative as ever.

Meanwhile, the Engineer's ship on LV-426 was equipped with a time travel device and, when Ripley and co destroy Hadley's Hope at the end of Aliens, it is triggered (perhaps as a self-preservation device) and two timelines are created — one where Alien 3 and 4 occurred and a (crappier) one where Blomkamp's movie takes places.

Bonus: time travel can't be utilized to resolve plot points in future movies because it's an unaccessible Engineer technology (or is it...?)

http://io9.com/neill-blomkamp-hints-the-new-alien-movie-will-wipe-out-1688132671 (http://io9.com/neill-blomkamp-hints-the-new-alien-movie-will-wipe-out-1688132671)

Getting lamer and lamer...

PS: Fixed it btw!  ;)

done
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:34:27 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:12:35 PMI don't see reason to respect Alien 3 since the whole premise was made up on the run becuase of Biehn signing off the movie and the rushed and messy development of the movie.

Again, not actually true. Biehn's death in the third film had nothing to do with him turning the film down. Other than Gibson's script, where he was the main character, he was dead in every version of the film proposed.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:36:36 PM
from another thread:

Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 09:28:18 PM
"I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be)

very interesting, I like that Sigourney pretty much says that she didnt like the way the movies went by the end of the last 2 films.  And I think Blomkamp is pretty much saying that he doesnt want to officially retcon A3/AR, just ignore them and make the movie he want for HIS vision, which I fully support.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:38 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:34:27 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:12:35 PMI don't see reason to respect Alien 3 since the whole premise was made up on the run becuase of Biehn signing off the movie and the rushed and messy development of the movie.

Again, not actually true. Biehn's death in the third film had nothing to do with him turning the film down. Other than Gibson's script, where he was the main character, he was dead in every version of the film proposed.
Nah, he was originally approached with the idea of filming Alien 3 and 4, the idea was to have Hicks back, but then he turned down. And the whole script writing "process" was another f**king mess. I'm pretty sure they never had a single good story to work with.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:39:56 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:38 PMNah, he was originally approached with the idea of filming Alien 3 and 4, the idea was to have Hicks back, but then he turned down.

Wrong. Gibson's script was rejected by the studio before Biehn got anywhere near it. The only actor they spoke to was Weaver, who didn't really wanna do it which is why Gibson wrote her out. Biehn has said numerous times he wanted to be a part of a third Alien film.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:40:48 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:33 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:33:50 PM
very interesting, I like that Sigourney pretty much says that she didnt like the way the movies went by the end.  And I think Blomkamp is pretty much saying that he doesnt want to officially retcon A3/AR, just ignore them and make the movie he want for HIS vision, which I fully support.

So this is like PREDATORS again, where it ignored Predator to AvP-R and was more or less a direct sequel to the original Predator.

More and more, this is sounding like what Godzilla 1985 did... Serve as a sequel to the original 1954 movie, and ignore the rest. Meaning we COULD be looking at different timelines. Guys... Are we looking at different timelines now?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:43:22 PM
I've always been under the impression that this was a different timeline, what was everyone else thinking?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:45:03 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:39:56 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:38 PMNah, he was originally approached with the idea of filming Alien 3 and 4, the idea was to have Hicks back, but then he turned down.

Wrong. Gibson's script was rejected by the studio before Biehn got anywhere near it. The only actor they spoke to was Weaver, who didn't really wanna do it which is why Gibson wrote her out. Biehn has said numerous times he wanted to be a part of a third Alien film.
The scripts were still crappy, they didn't have no Blomkamp to write a decent follow up.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:46:42 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:43:22 PM
I've always been under the impression that this was a different timeline, what was everyone else thinking?

And it's somehow supposed to be connected to Prometheus...

If this is a different timeline... It confirms my suspicions.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:48:52 PM
Alien 3 can have the AVP films and Alien (NB) will have the Prometheus films, I suppose.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:49:34 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:45:03 PMThe scripts were still crappy, they didn't have no Blomkamp to write a decent follow up.

:laugh:
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:50:39 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:48:52 PM
Alien 3 can have the AVP films and Alien (NB) will have the Prometheus films, I suppose.

^This! Totally this!!

Assuming that this is a completely different timeline and we aren't taking Blomkamp's words out of context.
Title: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:52:41 PM
Yeah, as I said, splitting the Alien universe into two can really help many of the continuity issues that's been plaguing the AVP community. :)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:53:54 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:52:41 PM
Yeah, as I said, splitting the Alien universe into two can really help many of the continuity issues that's been plaguing the community. :)

What? I'm the guy that came up with the multiverse/alternate timeline theory back in the multiverse thread, remember?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:56:35 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:52:41 PMYeah, as I said, splitting the Alien universe into two can really help many of the continuity issues that's been plaguing the AVP community. :)

No. It just makes things needlessly confusing.

Not to mention it's utterly unnecessary. It's not like you can't just add to what we have. The whole multiverse thing is just pointlessly convoluted and kinda cheap.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:58:43 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:56:35 PM
Not to mention it's utterly unnecessary. It's not like you can't just add to what we have. The whole multiverse thing is just pointlessly convoluted and kinda cheap.

Not necessarily. I mean the Godzilla franchise seems to have gotten fine in the sixty years it's been around.

And if you want a franchise that is more grounded in reality, I point to the Halloween franchise which has THREE different alternate timelines. That's gotten along fine... til Rob Zombie got his hands on the franchise with the third timeline.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:59:41 PM

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:53:54 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:52:41 PM
Yeah, as I said, splitting the Alien universe into two can really help many of the continuity issues that's been plaguing the community. :)

What? I'm the guy that came up with the multiverse/alternate timeline theory back in the multiverse thread, remember?

Yeah, I remember, lol, I just didn't think Fox would ever consider it; here's hoping they do, especially if it means giving Newt, Hicks, Ripley, and Bishop a second chance at life. :)

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:56:35 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:52:41 PMYeah, as I said, splitting the Alien universe into two can really help many of the continuity issues that's been plaguing the AVP community. :)

No. It just makes things needlessly confusing.

Not to mention it's utterly unnecessary. It's not like you can't just add to what we have. The whole multiverse thing is just pointlessly convoluted and kinda cheap.

Yet people still hate on the AVP films and demand their decanonization for the exact same reason. :-\
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:00:07 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:56:35 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:52:41 PMYeah, as I said, splitting the Alien universe into two can really help many of the continuity issues that's been plaguing the AVP community. :)

No. It just makes things needlessly confusing.

Not to mention it's utterly unnecessary. It's not like you can't just add to what we have. The whole multiverse thing is just pointlessly convoluted and kinda cheap.
That would be not confusing. Just forget the old movies and embrace the new ones.

Every reboot of a franchise is an "alternate universe" indeed, so there is no confusion here.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 10:01:28 PM
Alternate timeline, alternate timeline, alternate timeline, alternate timeline.. DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:04:17 PM
As long as I get (real) Ripley, Hicks and Newt, I don't give a shit... :)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:05:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPtcXcHnAYQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPtcXcHnAYQ#ws)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:06:07 PM
Here are the options:

Option 1:
Take place after the 4 alien movies.  Sequel to Resurrection.  Bad idea in my opinion as I believe that Ripley 8 is a bad character and the story is in a bad spot at that moment.

Option 2:
Retcon Alien 3 and A:R out of existence.  They never happened.  Kinda harsh imo as A3 at least has its moments and has been considered canon for the last 22 years. 

Option 3:
Take place after Alien 3 with new characters.  Ripley is gone and dead.  Could potentially work imo, however Sigourney is going to most certainly be involved so this is unlikely, especially considering Sigourney and Blomkamp's recent comments in interviews. 

Option 4:
Alternate timeline/canon.  Takes place after AL()ENS in place of Alien 3/A:R.  A3/A:R arent retconned "out of existance", they are just ignored for the sake of this new story's different take on the direction of the franchise.  imo, this is the best option that has the greatest potential and will anger the least amount of fans.



What do you guys think?...
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Mike on Feb 26, 2015, 10:08:28 PM
Heres what the new Alien film plot should be. Get ready for some Smackdown!

Ripley, Hicks Bishop Newt all aboard the drop ship heading back to Earth. Bishop tells them he found a document of classified information from Carter J. Burke that was sent to him from Weyland-Yutani Corp. That were in his pants. He found this before he headed to the APC that was right around were the escape chase started. ( ETA 16 Minutes!) In the paper it says a unknown restricted area was infested with Eggs and Facehuggers and that the whole Colony is wiped out, nothing but a ghost town, very spooky. Lots of Aliens wandering around in a town meeting. LT.Ripley and Corporal Hicks are in Awe at the info disposed before them and are scared out of there minds. But they just want to go home but they soon come to mind that there is no other marines left to come and help and that if they are to be more than brave and wipe them out they would have to come together, agree on this almost impossible mission, team up and destroy all targets. Every last one of them, THE ALIENS. Knowing this information at hand, they must get to the spot and kill off everything before it multiplies even further and becomes even harder to do as if it couldn't become even more so already. This becomes Ripley and Hicks Ultimate Nightmare. On the other hand you have Weyland-Yutani men already observing the colony on the same task as Ripley and Hicks. But they want to bring back studies into Quarantine which Ripley and Hicks don't agree with, they had this discussion in Aliens and now they are fed up! They just want to wipe The Bugs the hell out!. This would give further insight to Burke and his Corporate Deeds. He lives on the same page with Weyland. Just careless and only caring about money and not the civilization that was living on these Colonys. Hinting back to Aliens (1986).


       On this deserted colony, is other types of Aliens like Queens and Preatorians that must be destroyed before Ripley and Hicks, the team of ultimate badasses can truly head back home. For story sake, there is some ammo not seen from the ship that was sort of hidden.That Ripley and Hicks must use in all the right and smart ways to accomplish there mission. Wipe the Bugs out. Also they must create explosives as well. And as before, they must conserve a lot of ammo to use against the Weyland-Yutani soldiers that obviously don't come to an agreement with Lt. Ripley and Corporal Hicks in there brief meeting at first that took place in the middle of the Alien Mist. Knowing though that there is a lot more Xenomorphs to take out and a group of these soldiers to take out in the same hardcore fashion, ammo is running out, big time. Fear is building up.  If Ripley and Hicks are to come out on top and survive they must join together. Out smart anything and everything and truly become the Ultimate Weapon.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:08 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:04:17 PM
As long as I get (real) Ripley, Hicks and Newt, I don't give a shit... :)

Here you go...

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Title: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:15 PM

Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:06:07 PM
Here are the options:

Option 1:
Take place after the 4 alien movies.  Sequel to Resurrection.  Bad idea in my opinion as I believe that Ripley 8 is a bad character and the story is in a bad spot at that moment.

Option 2:
Retcon Alien 3 and A:R out of existence.  They never happened.  Kinda harsh imo as A3 at least has its moments and has been considered canon for the last 22 years. 

Option 3:
Take place after Alien 3 with new characters.  Ripley is gone and dead.  Could potentially work imo, however Sigourney is going to most certainly be involved so this is unlikely, especially considering Sigourney and Blomkamp's recent comments in interviews. 

Option 4:
Alternate timeline/canon.  Takes place after AL()ENS in place of Alien 3/A:R.  A3/A:R arent retconned "out of existance", they are just ignored for the sake of this new story's different take on the direction of the franchise.  imo, this is the best option that has the greatest potential and will anger the least amount of fans.



What do you guys think?...

You forgot:

Option 5:

Secret interquel between Aliens and Alien 3.

Option 6:

Ripley and Hicks are still dead, but their templates are copied into synthetics who continue to carry on their work.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:11:02 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:15 PMOption 6:

Ripley and Hicks are still dead, but their templates are copied into synthetics who continue to carry on their work.

But why would anyone do that!
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 26, 2015, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 10:01:28 PM
Alternate timeline, alternate timeline, alternate timeline, alternate timeline.. DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!

Yeah, the "what if" scenario is not so bad. But I must admit that I was one of the few interested in Alien 5  :P
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Inverse Effect on Feb 26, 2015, 10:14:24 PM
If hicks is in this and Ripley, then its an automatic win in my book. It's neat they are ignoring Resurrection. Kinda sad they are ignoring Alien 3, but then again Alien 3 is what got us into this mess.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 10:15:15 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:11:02 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:15 PMOption 6:

Ripley and Hicks are still dead, but their templates are copied into synthetics who continue to carry on their work.

But why would anyone do that!

Yeah. There's no real reason to do that at all. It reeks of MAD SCIENCE!  :laugh: Besides, if you're going to bring back those characters, bring back those characters. Not clones, not mutants. Those characters, right out of the Sulaco cryobay.
Title: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:11:02 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:15 PMOption 6:

Ripley and Hicks are still dead, but their templates are copied into synthetics who continue to carry on their work.

But why would anyone do that!

I dunno, why would their be a Ripley 8 clone with Alien DNA I her?  Why would their be a Predalien who can regurgitate eggs into pregnant women?  Because it sounds cool? :D
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:16:04 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:15 PM

Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:06:07 PM
Here are the options:

Option 1:
Take place after the 4 alien movies.  Sequel to Resurrection.  Bad idea in my opinion as I believe that Ripley 8 is a bad character and the story is in a bad spot at that moment.

Option 2:
Retcon Alien 3 and A:R out of existence.  They never happened.  Kinda harsh imo as A3 at least has its moments and has been considered canon for the last 22 years. 

Option 3:
Take place after Alien 3 with new characters.  Ripley is gone and dead.  Could potentially work imo, however Sigourney is going to most certainly be involved so this is unlikely, especially considering Sigourney and Blomkamp's recent comments in interviews. 

Option 4:
Alternate timeline/canon.  Takes place after AL()ENS in place of Alien 3/A:R.  A3/A:R arent retconned "out of existance", they are just ignored for the sake of this new story's different take on the direction of the franchise.  imo, this is the best option that has the greatest potential and will anger the least amount of fans.



What do you guys think?...

You forgot:

Option 5:

Secret interquel between Aliens and Alien 3.

Option 6:

Ripley and Hicks are still dead, but their templates are copied into synthetics who continue to carry on their work.

Interquel could maybe work, however ALIENS ends with everyone in hypersleep onboard the Sulaco, and A3 begins with them all being ejected and killed (except Ripley, who obviously survives).  So theres not really a lot of time for anything to happen in between the 2 movies.

And Option 6 is.....just bad. like NO.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:17:09 PM
Quote from: Guts on Feb 26, 2015, 10:14:24 PMIf hicks is in this and Ripley, then its an automatic win in my book. It's neat they are ignoring Resurrection. Kinda sad they are ignoring Alien 3, but then again Alien 3 is what got us into this mess.

No, a fear of/lack of effort in developing new interesting characters who might conceivably be as good as Hicks and Newt is what got us into this mess.

Because it's easier to stick HIX N NOOT on the poster.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 26, 2015, 10:17:33 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:15 PM

Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:06:07 PM
Here are the options:

Option 1:
Take place after the 4 alien movies.  Sequel to Resurrection.  Bad idea in my opinion as I believe that Ripley 8 is a bad character and the story is in a bad spot at that moment.

Option 2:
Retcon Alien 3 and A:R out of existence.  They never happened.  Kinda harsh imo as A3 at least has its moments and has been considered canon for the last 22 years. 

Option 3:
Take place after Alien 3 with new characters.  Ripley is gone and dead.  Could potentially work imo, however Sigourney is going to most certainly be involved so this is unlikely, especially considering Sigourney and Blomkamp's recent comments in interviews. 

Option 4:
Alternate timeline/canon.  Takes place after AL()ENS in place of Alien 3/A:R.  A3/A:R arent retconned "out of existance", they are just ignored for the sake of this new story's different take on the direction of the franchise.  imo, this is the best option that has the greatest potential and will anger the least amount of fans.



What do you guys think?...

You forgot:

Option 5:

Secret interquel between Aliens and Alien 3.

Then Ripley had amnesia or her memory was erased and that's why she does not remember anything in Alien 3? ( I mean anything about the interquel adventure)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:17:35 PM

Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:16:04 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:15 PM

Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:06:07 PM
Here are the options:

Option 1:
Take place after the 4 alien movies.  Sequel to Resurrection.  Bad idea in my opinion as I believe that Ripley 8 is a bad character and the story is in a bad spot at that moment.

Option 2:
Retcon Alien 3 and A:R out of existence.  They never happened.  Kinda harsh imo as A3 at least has its moments and has been considered canon for the last 22 years. 

Option 3:
Take place after Alien 3 with new characters.  Ripley is gone and dead.  Could potentially work imo, however Sigourney is going to most certainly be involved so this is unlikely, especially considering Sigourney and Blomkamp's recent comments in interviews. 

Option 4:
Alternate timeline/canon.  Takes place after AL()ENS in place of Alien 3/A:R.  A3/A:R arent retconned "out of existance", they are just ignored for the sake of this new story's different take on the direction of the franchise.  imo, this is the best option that has the greatest potential and will anger the least amount of fans.



What do you guys think?...

You forgot:

Option 5:

Secret interquel between Aliens and Alien 3.

Option 6:

Ripley and Hicks are still dead, but their templates are copied into synthetics who continue to carry on their work.

Interquel could maybe work, however ALIENS ends with everyone in hypersleep onboard the Sulaco, and A3 begins with them all being ejected and killed (except Ripley, who obviously survives).  So theres not really a lot of time for anything to happen in between the 2 movies.

And Option 6 is.....just bad. like NO.

Well, we did have Alien: Out of the Shadows which bridges the gap between the first 2 movies, and A:CM did something similar between the second and third.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:17:35 PMWell, we did have Alien: Out of the Shadows which bridges the gap between the first 2 movies, and A:CM did something similar between the second and third.

The execution of both of which was laughable.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 26, 2015, 10:20:18 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:16:00 PM
  Why would their be a Predalien who can regurgitate eggs into pregnant women?  Because it sounds cool? :D

There was so much wrong with that..and those films were poorly executed as it was. i dont want anything like them
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:20:58 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:08 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:04:17 PM
As long as I get (real) Ripley, Hicks and Newt, I don't give a shit... :)

Here you go...

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Low blow dude, low blow..... :D
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 10:22:07 PM
I can feel Alien3's anger.

Good.... Goooood....
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:23:27 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:17:35 PMWell, we did have Alien: Out of the Shadows which bridges the gap between the first 2 movies, and A:CM did something similar between the second and third.

The execution of both of which was laughable.

Yeah, dont mention ACM to me......ever.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:24:26 PM

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 26, 2015, 10:17:33 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:15 PM

Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:06:07 PM
Here are the options:

Option 1:
Take place after the 4 alien movies.  Sequel to Resurrection.  Bad idea in my opinion as I believe that Ripley 8 is a bad character and the story is in a bad spot at that moment.

Option 2:
Retcon Alien 3 and A:R out of existence.  They never happened.  Kinda harsh imo as A3 at least has its moments and has been considered canon for the last 22 years. 

Option 3:
Take place after Alien 3 with new characters.  Ripley is gone and dead.  Could potentially work imo, however Sigourney is going to most certainly be involved so this is unlikely, especially considering Sigourney and Blomkamp's recent comments in interviews. 

Option 4:
Alternate timeline/canon.  Takes place after AL()ENS in place of Alien 3/A:R.  A3/A:R arent retconned "out of existance", they are just ignored for the sake of this new story's different take on the direction of the franchise.  imo, this is the best option that has the greatest potential and will anger the least amount of fans.



What do you guys think?...

You forgot:

Option 5:

Secret interquel between Aliens and Alien 3.

Then Ripley had amnesia or his memory was erased and that's why she does not remember anything in Alien 3? ( I mean anything about the interquel adventure)

Yeah, exactly, lol. :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 10:26:42 PM
I'm still hoping that this is all an alternate timeline thing going on.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 10:29:09 PM
I very much doubt it will try to "squeeze" between Aliens and Alien 3. It's going to push the last two films out of it's continuity and move forward.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:30:37 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 10:26:42 PM
I'm still hoping that this is all an alternate timeline thing going on.
Who cares. A "Timeline" becomes irrelevant when more material set on it is no longer being produced. Like Star Trek or Star Wars Legends. Just focus on the new movies and let Alien 3 and Rez back there, like museum pieces.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 26, 2015, 10:33:26 PM
They were both mistakes.

Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 10:36:27 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 10:22:07 PM
I can feel Alien3's anger.

Good.... Goooood....

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Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomorphine on Feb 26, 2015, 10:43:19 PM
We're getting a lots of confused signals, aren't we? It's like 'Prometheus' and that whole is-it-a-real-prequel-or-isn't-it stuff, all over again. Guess we're going to have to wait for something more concrete.

I don't mind if this is a retcon or not. It could be decent if it is. The first two comics are proof enough of that. There were some slight weirdisms in the first, but nothing too major and it could easily be serving as a loose template. I wouldn't mind a modified version of that, at all.

Honestly, after the convoluted mess which was 'Prometheus', I'm just hoping for an entertaining movie, at this point - whether a retcon or not. Anything else is a bonus. If it's shit, then it's shit. We recovered from 'Colonial Marines', we'll recover from this.

Quote from: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 10:36:25 PM
well as an actor she is really good. but u know what? she did that shitty AR too, so i believe for her is no matter what as long as its Alien related, she loves this franchise so much

Because, like I said, Ripley's portrayal, itself, is at least enough to have caught her attention. I don't find the third and fourth movies particularly entertaining, personally (both do certain things better/worse than one another), but her own character's performance was perfectly fine in both.

So, we literally know nothing about this story, but at least that sounds like a plus.

Quote from: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 26, 2015, 09:07:19 AM
Haven't seen Elysium, but I from the people I've talked to they liked it enough.

It was OK, but the very plot the entire story revolved around had huge logic-holes in it.

I think he'll be OK for this, providing he stays away from inserting similar ham-fisted political commentary in it.

Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 26, 2015, 07:20:08 PM
Any previous EU that could have been cannon was washed away with the newet 3 novels werent they?

I haven't read the third one (although, it apparently has more than a few problems, going by reviews), but the first and second were... Not all that good.

Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 07:41:39 PM
Prometheus arguably did the same with the AVP films and no one complained.

Personally, I don't think it did.

I used to say that the Predalien's reproductive cycle meant 'Requiem', for one, removed itself from the established canon, but ever since 'Prometheus' and its generic black ooze of doom, the Predalien stuff isn't nearly so much of a problem now...
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: stroggificated on Feb 26, 2015, 10:45:56 PM
So...Ripley, Hicks and Newt lived happily as family for 30 years until Alien 5 begins?


I'll just take it easy this time.

Alien-->Aliens-->Alien 3 = Bad ending

Alien-->Aliens-->Alien 5 = Good ending


Alien Resurrection? Prometheus? Never heard of that.

Now i can sleep well again.
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Spoiler
Why do i see images of Ripley in a xeno suit kicking xeno butts?  ;D
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Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 10:48:23 PM
Quote from: stroggificated on Feb 26, 2015, 10:45:56 PM
Alien-->Aliens-->Alien 3 = Bad ending

The bad ending being she stops the company and outrightly exterminates the Alien?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: Guts on Feb 26, 2015, 10:14:24 PM
If hicks is in this and Ripley, then its an automatic win in my book. It's neat they are ignoring Resurrection. Kinda sad they are ignoring Alien 3, but then again Alien 3 is what got us into this mess.
This sums up my thoughts perfectly.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:55:47 PM

Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 10:48:23 PM
Quote from: stroggificated on Feb 26, 2015, 10:45:56 PM
Alien-->Aliens-->Alien 3 = Bad ending

The bad ending being she stops the company and outrightly exterminates the Alien?

That's really not saying much since the company gets their hands on the Aliens in A:CM.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 11:00:58 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 10:48:23 PM
Quote from: stroggificated on Feb 26, 2015, 10:45:56 PM
Alien-->Aliens-->Alien 3 = Bad ending

The bad ending being she stops the company and outrightly exterminates the Alien?
Yeah that one  :P Because as we all know the Alien species is alive and well. And also Walmart takes Wey-Yu's place so it's all for naught.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 11:04:03 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 11:00:58 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 10:48:23 PM
Quote from: stroggificated on Feb 26, 2015, 10:45:56 PM
Alien-->Aliens-->Alien 3 = Bad ending

The bad ending being she stops the company and outrightly exterminates the Alien?
Yeah that one  :P Because as we all know the Alien species is alive and well. And also Walmart takes Wey-Yu's place so it's all for naught.

Besides the point, stroggificated wasn't talking about A:R as an ending.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 11:21:11 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:55:47 PM

Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 10:48:23 PM
Quote from: stroggificated on Feb 26, 2015, 10:45:56 PM
Alien-->Aliens-->Alien 3 = Bad ending

The bad ending being she stops the company and outrightly exterminates the Alien?

That's really not saying much since the company gets their hands on the Aliens in A:CM.

Your point is utterly moot since A:CM is not a movie.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 11:22:05 PM
It's canon, tho. :P
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 11:24:03 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 11:22:05 PM
It's canon, tho. :P

prepare to be burned at the stake...
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 26, 2015, 11:28:40 PM
It's not remotely canon, and I assure you even the execs who once implied that to help sales have already forgotten all about it. None of the EU is canon or ever will be. It means nothing to anyone except the most hardcore fanbase, and that's not the demographic the studio is intent on re-pitching this franchise to. Same thing with the terrible Star Wars books or the dogged fans of that Terminator TV show - shit outta luck.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 11:30:28 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 11:22:05 PM
It's canon, tho. :P
*ding ding!*
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 11:30:54 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 26, 2015, 11:28:40 PM
It's not remotely canon, and I assure you even the execs who once implied that to help sales have already forgotten all about it. None of the EU is canon or ever will be. It means nothing to anyone except the most hardcore fanbase, and that's not the demographic the studio is intent on re-pitching this franchise to. Same thing with the terrible Star Wars books or the dogged fans of that Terminator TV show - shit outta luck.
Yeah, agree.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 11:31:14 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 11:22:05 PM
It's canon, tho. :P

But it's not a movie, tho. :P
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 11:32:14 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 26, 2015, 11:28:40 PM
None of the EU is canon or ever will be.

Does this also include the EU reboot with Fire and Stone, as well as the Titan Publishing books?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 26, 2015, 11:34:23 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 11:32:14 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 26, 2015, 11:28:40 PM
None of the EU is canon or ever will be.

Does this also include the EU reboot with Fire and Stone, as well as the Titan Publishing books?

Probably.

They'll market it to fans and they'll gloss over any answer they give the devoted fans and pretty it up, but the bottom line is? No director who ever comes into this franchise ever again, whether it's Neill Blomkamp or Ridley Scott or Jim Cameron or anyone else, is ever going to give a shit about any of that material or want anything to do with it. That goes for the games, the books, the comics, and yes, most especially the AVP films.

They may never say that outright to your face, they may say something vague and nice to keep you hoping, but that is exactly what is happening. Doesn't mean they will ever stop pushing the product while making new films, but the films will never be beholden to any of that. Nor should they be.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: stroggificated on Feb 27, 2015, 12:00:41 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 10:48:23 PM
The bad ending being she stops the company and outrightly exterminates the Alien?

I care for Ripley, Hicks and Newt only. Trivial things like companies or mankind don't matter.  ;)


Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:55:47 PM
That's really not saying much since the company gets their hands on the Aliens in A:CM.

Don't even go there  ;D
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 12:14:05 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 26, 2015, 11:28:40 PM
It's not remotely canon, and I assure you even the execs who once implied that to help sales have already forgotten all about it. None of the EU is canon or ever will be. It means nothing to anyone except the most hardcore fanbase, and that's not the demographic the studio is intent on re-pitching this franchise to. Same thing with the terrible Star Wars books or the dogged fans of that Terminator TV show - shit outta luck.

Sorry, but before I acknowledge something as not canon, I'll need more to go on than the moans and groans of pissed off fanboys. :(
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 12:27:58 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 12:14:05 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 26, 2015, 11:28:40 PM
It's not remotely canon, and I assure you even the execs who once implied that to help sales have already forgotten all about it. None of the EU is canon or ever will be. It means nothing to anyone except the most hardcore fanbase, and that's not the demographic the studio is intent on re-pitching this franchise to. Same thing with the terrible Star Wars books or the dogged fans of that Terminator TV show - shit outta luck.

Sorry, but before I acknowledge something as canon, I'll need more to go on than the moans and groans of pissed off fanboys. :(

...
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 12:29:17 AM
Quote from: stroggificated on Feb 27, 2015, 12:00:41 AMI care for Ripley, Hicks and Newt only.
No one loves Bishop U.U
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 12:32:17 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 26, 2015, 11:34:23 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 11:32:14 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 26, 2015, 11:28:40 PM
None of the EU is canon or ever will be.

Does this also include the EU reboot with Fire and Stone, as well as the Titan Publishing books?

Probably.

They'll market it to fans and they'll gloss over any answer they give the devoted fans and pretty it up, but the bottom line is? No director who ever comes into this franchise ever again, whether it's Neill Blomkamp or Ridley Scott or Jim Cameron or anyone else, is ever going to give a shit about any of that material or want anything to do with it. That goes for the games, the books, the comics, and yes, most especially the AVP films.

They may never say that outright to your face, they may say something vague and nice to keep you hoping, but that is exactly what is happening. Doesn't mean they will ever stop pushing the product while making new films, but the films will never be beholden to any of that. Nor should they be.
It's a two way street. EU in all its forms usually bends to the movie stories because those get much more exposure than comics, games or novels. But the truth is one form of entertainment should not trump the other. It just happens that a lot of comic writers and novelists succumb to the changes that arrive with a new movie to have a more "connected" feel. It's more profitable. If all it takes is a big budget and Fox's big shiny stamp of approval/canon, then the AvP's, Predators, Prometheus are all connected and we already have at least one alternate timeline.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 12:42:53 AM
I cared jack shit about Hicks and Newt in ALIENS because they were so 80s two-dimensional.

Ironically enough A3 is the movie where they started feeling like real people that I cared about. Their deaths are hands down the strongest and most emotional narratives of all the movies. The funeral scene is just as poetic, emotional and beautiful as it is sordid, cold-hearted and gruesome. Actually that is one of my top five favorite scenes of any Alien movie. The Hicks and Newt characters got the greatest farewell scene of any other character, except for maybe Ripley.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:46:17 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 12:42:53 AM
Their deaths are hands down the strongest and most emotional narratives in the all the movies. The funeral scene is just as poetic, emotional and beautiful as it is sordid, cold-hearted and gruesome. Actually that is my top five favorite scenes of any Alien movie. The Hicks and Newt characters got the greatest farewell scene of any other character, except for maybe Ripley.

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Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 12:52:21 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 12:42:53 AM
I cared jack shit about Hicks and Newt in ALIENS because they were so 80s two-dimensional.

Ironically enough A3 is the movie where they started feeling like real people that I cared about. Their deaths are hands down the strongest and most emotional narratives in the all the movies. The funeral scene is just as poetic, emotional and beautiful as it is sordid, cold-hearted and gruesome. Actually that is my top five favorite scenes of any Alien movie. The Hicks and Newt characters got the greatest farewell scene of any other character, except for maybe Ripley.
Na.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 12:53:45 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 12:52:21 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 12:42:53 AM
I cared jack shit about Hicks and Newt in ALIENS because they were so 80s two-dimensional.

Ironically enough A3 is the movie where they started feeling like real people that I cared about. Their deaths are hands down the strongest and most emotional narratives in the all the movies. The funeral scene is just as poetic, emotional and beautiful as it is sordid, cold-hearted and gruesome. Actually that is my top five favorite scenes of any Alien movie. The Hicks and Newt characters got the greatest farewell scene of any other character, except for maybe Ripley.
Na.

Ya.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:54:24 AM
Oh ya.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:52 AM
Ok folks.  We must unite!  And agree to disagree about something we know almost nothing about!  It's the only way!!
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 12:59:53 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:52 AM
Ok folks.  We must unite!  And agree to disagree about something we know almost nothing about!  It's the only way!!
It'll take a while. 7 stages of grief. The denial part is done and they're in the anger part.

We need to accept this is happening. And that's it. Criticism should be left for the actual plot, which we really don't know anything about. Even I tire of these arguments. They're just one opinion vs the other.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 01:10:01 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 12:59:53 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:52 AM
Ok folks.  We must unite!  And agree to disagree about something we know almost nothing about!  It's the only way!!
It'll take a while. 7 stages of grief. The denial part is done and they're in the anger part.

We need to accept this is happening. And that's it. Criticism should be left for the actual plot, which we really don't know anything about. Even I tire of these arguments. They're just one opinion vs the other.

It didn't sound like that when A3 lacked marines and escorted Hicks & Newt out of the story, did it? You've been bitching about it for 20+ years. But when they decide to delete and erase two entire movies, it is Zen time... Splendid!

Anyways, all we know is that A5 is going to be a Blomkamp film - amazing designs, poorly written characters, exploding bodies, and juvenile heroism pretending to be pragmatic and deep.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Liberator on Feb 27, 2015, 01:38:49 AM
The events of Alien 3 and 4 should be a bad dream or just forgotten like they never happened at all.  The makers need to really go for this and make Alien 3 again the right way.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 27, 2015, 01:41:06 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:52 AM
Ok folks.  We must unite!  And agree to disagree about something we know almost nothing about!  It's the only way!!

I say we sign out, and nuke the forums from the internetz.

It's the only way to be sure.


Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 12:59:53 AM
It'll take a while. 7 stages of grief. The denial part is done and they're in the anger part.

We need to accept this is happening. And that's it. Criticism should be left for the actual plot, which we really don't know anything about. Even I tire of these arguments. They're just one opinion vs the other.

Indeed.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 01:42:59 AM
Quote from: Liberator on Feb 27, 2015, 01:38:49 AM
The events of Alien 3 and 4 should be a bad dream or just forgotten like they never happened at all.  The makers need to really go for this and make Alien 3 again the right way.

We don't need the franchise going the way of Dallas and Roseanne!
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:43:29 AM
Maybe this movie will be a dream Ripley has while she's falling into the furnace in Alien 3.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 01:43:55 AM
Quote from: Liberator on Feb 27, 2015, 01:38:49 AM
The events of Alien 3 and 4 should be a bad dream or just forgotten like they never happened at all.  The makers need to really go for this and make Alien 3 again the right way.

The right way? What's that? And ALIENS compilation YouTube video with glamour shots of Hicks in full combat attire?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: UHF on Feb 27, 2015, 01:45:54 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 12:59:53 AM
It'll take a while. 7 stages of grief. The denial part is done and they're in the anger part.

We need to accept this is happening. And that's it. Criticism should be left for the actual plot, which we really don't know anything about. Even I tire of these arguments. They're just one opinion vs the other.

No need for the veiled condescension.

There is absolutely nothing to accept. There has been NO hard confirmation a retcon will happen, and if you listen to this interview with Blomkamp ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ#t=60 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ#t=60) ) he says "I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection".
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 01:52:08 AM
The seeming merger of the alien armor with Ripley actually has a very Resurrection-esque vibe to it.  Based on some of the pictures, we might get some pretty grotesque stuff on par with the Ripley clones.

I was searching through Blomkamp's art and I found this.  Based on the design of the cocooned victim, I wonder if we might see the return of the egg-making from the deleted Alien scene:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.bloody-disgusting.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F01%2Fneillblomkampalien5.jpg&hash=0e37fe9c40437061cf021ed9cd48ab4b817dd479)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:53:39 AM
I'd be extremely excited to see egg-morphing make a return.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 01:58:34 AM
Quote from: UHF on Feb 27, 2015, 01:45:54 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 12:59:53 AM
It'll take a while. 7 stages of grief. The denial part is done and they're in the anger part.

We need to accept this is happening. And that's it. Criticism should be left for the actual plot, which we really don't know anything about. Even I tire of these arguments. They're just one opinion vs the other.

No need for the veiled condescension.

There is absolutely nothing to accept. There has been NO hard confirmation a retcon will happen, and if you listen to this interview with Blomkamp ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ#t=60 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ#t=60) ) he says "I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection".
Yap. In fact, he's saying pretty much the complete opposite, there will be no retcon  ;D
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:00:27 AM
ALIENS wank-fest at my place guys!!  Remember to show up in your best HIX cosplay!
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:01:33 AM
Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 02:02:16 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 01:58:34 AM
Quote from: UHF on Feb 27, 2015, 01:45:54 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 12:59:53 AM
It'll take a while. 7 stages of grief. The denial part is done and they're in the anger part.

We need to accept this is happening. And that's it. Criticism should be left for the actual plot, which we really don't know anything about. Even I tire of these arguments. They're just one opinion vs the other.

No need for the veiled condescension.

There is absolutely nothing to accept. There has been NO hard confirmation a retcon will happen, and if you listen to this interview with Blomkamp ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ#t=60 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ#t=60) ) he says "I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection".
Yap. In fact, he's saying pretty much the complete opposite, there will be no retcon  ;D

Sounded to me like he meant "no disrespect to 3 and Res, I'm not going out of my way to get rid of them, I just want to follow on from Aliens which, in the process, would have to overwrite 3 and Res."

But hey, I guess anything could be possible.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 02:04:12 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 01:58:34 AM
Yap. In fact, he's saying pretty much the complete opposite, there will be no retcon  ;D

But didn't he also say that he wasn't going to be following on with the Ripley 8 character? Didn't he or Weaver also say that this movie was set directly after ALIENS? I mean there wouldn't enough time for something to happen between the events of LV-426 and what happened on the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:07:08 AM
I think he was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:07:42 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 02:04:12 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 01:58:34 AM
Yap. In fact, he's saying pretty much the complete opposite, there will be no retcon  ;D

But didn't he also say that he wasn't going to be following on with the Ripley 8 character? Didn't he or Weaver also say that this movie was set directly after ALIENS? I mean there wouldn't enough time for something to happen between the events of LV-426 and what happened on the Sulaco.

Maybe they have another adventure on the Sulaco where the only survivors are, yet again, Ripley, Newt, and Hicks.  As far as I know, nothing in Alien 3 would explicitly contradict that.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 02:08:51 AM
Basically, the way Blomkamp is talking, he's not actively seeking out to destroy 3/Res. He just wants to follow up on Alien and Aliens and, in the process, 3 and Res kind of have to wind up casualties.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:09:24 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:01:33 AM
Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.

Just curious,

what WOULD you like to see in this new movie? A continuation from A3 with new characters?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:11:21 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:09:24 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:01:33 AM
Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.

Just curious,

what WOULD you like to see in this new movie? A continuation from A3 with new characters?

Actually, yes, that would be good.

At least Michael Bay isn't directing it.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 02:14:21 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:07:08 AM
I think he was being sarcastic.

Why would he be sarcastic? Unless I'm mistaken with something here as I'm assuming you're referring to Blomkamp.

Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:07:42 AM
Maybe they have another adventure on the Sulaco where the only survivors are, yet again, Ripley, Newt, and Hicks.  As far as I know, nothing in Alien 3 would explicitly contradict that.

But how long were they floating in space on the Sulaco after the events of ALIENS? Can someone refresh my memory regarding that?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 02:15:20 AM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:11:21 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:09:24 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:01:33 AM
Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.

Just curious,

what WOULD you like to see in this new movie? A continuation from A3 with new characters?

Actually, yes, that would be good.

At least Michael Bay isn't directing it.
Didn't Ripley supposedly destroyed the last xenomorph with her sacrifice?  :D
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Generic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:18:19 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:09:24 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:01:33 AM
Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.

Just curious,

what WOULD you like to see in this new movie? A continuation from A3 with new characters?

Continue where A:R ended and deal with it. There are so many opportunities, so much potential. People just have to move forward and get out of the stalemate mindset that Cameron's ALIENS indirectly inflicted. ALIENS monumental success effectively ruined and handicapped the franchise.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:24:56 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 02:15:20 AM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:11:21 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:09:24 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:01:33 AM
Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.

Just curious,

what WOULD you like to see in this new movie? A continuation from A3 with new characters?

Actually, yes, that would be good.

At least Michael Bay isn't directing it.
Didn't Ripley supposedly destroyed the last xenomorph with her sacrifice?  :D

Supposedly, though we don't know for sure.  Perez's statement "for all intents and purposes" is quite vague.


Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 02:14:21 AM
But how long were they floating in space on the Sulaco after the events of ALIENS? Can someone refresh my memory regarding that?

I think it was no more than a few weeks.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2015, 02:42:40 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 02:14:21 AM
But how long were they floating in space on the Sulaco after the events of ALIENS? Can someone refresh my memory regarding that?
It took three weeks to get from Earth to LV-426.  I assume a return trip would take the same amount of time.  Of course, that all depends on whether or not the company purposely rerouted the Sulaco to Fiorina, as I've theorized before (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=44709.msg1482317#msg1482317).
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:45:26 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:18:19 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:09:24 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:01:33 AM
Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.

Just curious,

what WOULD you like to see in this new movie? A continuation from A3 with new characters?

Continue where A:R ended and deal with it. There are so many opportunities, so much potential. People just have to move forward and get out of the stalemate mindset that Cameron's ALIENS indirectly inflicted. ALIENS monumental success effectively ruined and handicapped the franchise.

As I said earlier, if people are incapable of getting over the AVP films, what makes you think they'll try to get over Alien 3 and A:R?  There are still plenty of people who wouldn't mind seeing another AVP film set in modern times, myself included (running away from witch burners now ;)).  Out of curiosity, would you grant the entreaties of AVP fans the same amount of attention you would want for the Alien films?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:58:41 AM
Ive always considered the AVP franchise a completely different universe than the ALIEN movies.  I just dont like the idea of them existing in the same universe.  The AVP movies are entertaining "what if" scenarios in their own rite.

I would like to see an AVP movies similar to the games though.  Set in space on a distant W-Y colony with Colonial Marines in the middle.  I think THAT would be cool.  Ive always hated the earth setting for the AVP movies.  At least the first was in the Pyramid, the second.......modern day suburbia with f**king college kids as main characters???...lol hell no sorry.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 03:02:01 AM
Yeah, but the movie producers don't see it that way, they see Alien and AVP happening in the same universe and when fans advocated that some films in the universe go (the AVP films) then logically from the movie producers' eyes, that opens a door (and an invitation) to remove even more things from the same universe, aka the Alien films.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:12:22 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 03:02:01 AM
Yeah, but the movie producers don't see it that way, they see Alien and AVP happening in the same universe and when fans advocated that some films in the universe go (the AVP films) then logically from the movie producers' eyes, that opens a door (and an invitation) to remove even more things from the same universe, aka the Alien films.

They cant remove any movie from existing in the real world.  The movies exist.  I can watch any of them on DVD and will always be able to pick and choose what I consider my own canon, and not care about what FOX "officially" thinks.  As you said, Even FOX will disregard certain films if they think they can crank out another movie.  And thats fine, bc im always up for a new movie with Xenos in it, even if it sucks.  Bc I can judge for myself If I like it enough to fit into my personal canon. 
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 03:14:02 AM
^True that, hence the differing timelines thing we believe is going to happen.  As I said earlier, I truly doubt that Fox will decanon 2 films that could still bring them more money in the future.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:16:10 AM
Decanoninizing (or relegating them to another canon or what have you) won't stop them from profiting on them, though. They can still bundle everything together, and still sell the individual releases to fans who are curious to check it all out, regardless of whether it is officially recognized in the current timeline. I'm sure the old X-Men movies got a boost in sales after DofP, even though it wiped the slate clean. Same with Superman 3 and 4 when Returns came out. Pretty sure they even did a five-film Superman bundle.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 03:18:50 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:16:10 AM
Decanoninizing (or relegating them to another canon or what have you) won't stop them from profiting on them, though. They can still bundle everything together, and still sell the individual releases to fans who are curious to check it all out, regardless of whether it is officially recognized in the current timeline. I'm sure the old X-Men movies got a boost in sales after DofP, even though it wiped the slate clean. Same with Superman 3 and 4 when Returns came out. Pretty sure they even did a five-film Superman bundle.

They also did it with the Halloween franchises.. I think they bundled all Halloween movies, including III, as well as the Rob Zombie movies as well.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 03:23:09 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:16:10 AM
Decanoninizing (or relegating them to another canon or what have you) won't stop them from profiting on them, though. They can still bundle everything together, and still sell the individual releases to fans who are curious to check it all out, regardless of whether it is officially recognized in the current timeline. I'm sure the old X-Men movies got a boost in sales after DofP, even though it wiped the slate clean. Same with Superman 3 and 4 when Returns came out. Pretty sure they even did a five-film Superman bundle.

The difference with X-Men was that the change in continuity was firmly planted in a well written story that paid respect to the entire series.  It wasn't like DoFP just started with a whole new saga with no explanation, as some people think that this new Alien movie will.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 03:39:28 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:01:33 AM
Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.
Well, if you think Alien 3 was the high point of the series, then I think it's better for us that you're not excited for this movie :P
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Generic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 04:12:30 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 03:39:28 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:01:33 AM
Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.
Well, if you think Alien 3 was the high point of the series, then I think it's better for us that you're not excited for this movie :P

"For us" as in people who are stuck on ALIENS and can't fathom that an Alien movie doesn't have to follow the Cameron formula (unless it's Scott, because you'll just look stupid if you pee on ALIEN) in order to be a worthy sequel? Boohoo for me...
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 27, 2015, 04:15:53 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 12:14:05 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 26, 2015, 11:28:40 PM
It's not remotely canon, and I assure you even the execs who once implied that to help sales have already forgotten all about it. None of the EU is canon or ever will be. It means nothing to anyone except the most hardcore fanbase, and that's not the demographic the studio is intent on re-pitching this franchise to. Same thing with the terrible Star Wars books or the dogged fans of that Terminator TV show - shit outta luck.

Sorry, but before I acknowledge something as not canon, I'll need more to go on than the moans and groans of pissed off fanboys. :(

LOL, this has nothing to do with how I feel. I never even played the game. It wouldn't matter if the game was the second coming of System Shock or Mass Effect, though - there is less than zero chance a film studio has any interest in tying its film canon down to a bunch of video games and promotional tie-in materials that only hardcore sci-fi buffs know about. That's a fact of life and we see it everyday. Expecting any of the video games or books or comic books over the last several decades to be seriously referenced or acknowledged as canon in these films in any way is dreaming. But you should know that by now. It's not about the geek hardcore. It's about the largest possible audience.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 04:36:19 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 01:10:01 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 12:59:53 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:52 AM
Ok folks.  We must unite!  And agree to disagree about something we know almost nothing about!  It's the only way!!
It'll take a while. 7 stages of grief. The denial part is done and they're in the anger part.

We need to accept this is happening. And that's it. Criticism should be left for the actual plot, which we really don't know anything about. Even I tire of these arguments. They're just one opinion vs the other.

It didn't sound like that when A3 lacked marines and escorted Hicks & Newt out of the story, did it? You've been bitching about it for 20+ years. But when they decide to delete and erase two entire movies, it is Zen time... Splendid!

Anyways, all we know is that A5 is going to be a Blomkamp film - amazing designs, poorly written characters, exploding bodies, and juvenile heroism pretending to be pragmatic and deep.
Lol wat. Although many people didn't like the decision to kill Hicks and Newt off, I think a majority of people DID accept it after a while. I know I did. It bothered me but I still liked the movie. And even a lot of those who didn't like the movie did accept it. But see they had the luxury to go in blind and figure out all the details only after actually seeing the movie. We're finding out stuff years before hand. So without anything to show for it the ideas for this movie are very hard to accept to some fans. Particularly the retcon.

I guess realistically speaking I don't expect many people to accept it yet. But it is what needs to happen. Hicks and Newt fans complained about their demise but it was still largely accepted. I don't think many actually thought they would come back it just seemed like a wasted opportunity that bummed 'em out. And now that they can come back we're not allowed to be happy about it without somebody telling us it's a shit move? Geez.


Quote from: UHF on Feb 27, 2015, 01:45:54 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 12:59:53 AM
It'll take a while. 7 stages of grief. The denial part is done and they're in the anger part.

We need to accept this is happening. And that's it. Criticism should be left for the actual plot, which we really don't know anything about. Even I tire of these arguments. They're just one opinion vs the other.

No need for the veiled condescension.

There is absolutely nothing to accept. There has been NO hard confirmation a retcon will happen, and if you listen to this interview with Blomkamp ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ#t=60 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ#t=60) ) he says "I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection".
So they haven't said the word "retcon." By proxy it is a retcon though. Again, going by what he said in both those videos. He might not be trying to, but he's going to push for his vision. And it seems unlikely it will link into A3 seamlessly.


Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:18:19 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:09:24 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:01:33 AM
Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.

Just curious,

what WOULD you like to see in this new movie? A continuation from A3 with new characters?

Continue where A:R ended and deal with it. There are so many opportunities, so much potential. People just have to move forward and get out of the stalemate mindset that Cameron's ALIENS indirectly inflicted. ALIENS monumental success effectively ruined and handicapped the franchise.
But that ain't happening anytime soon. We're just saying you have to deal with that.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 04:49:58 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 27, 2015, 04:15:53 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 12:14:05 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 26, 2015, 11:28:40 PM
It's not remotely canon, and I assure you even the execs who once implied that to help sales have already forgotten all about it. None of the EU is canon or ever will be. It means nothing to anyone except the most hardcore fanbase, and that's not the demographic the studio is intent on re-pitching this franchise to. Same thing with the terrible Star Wars books or the dogged fans of that Terminator TV show - shit outta luck.

Sorry, but before I acknowledge something as not canon, I'll need more to go on than the moans and groans of pissed off fanboys. :(

LOL, this has nothing to do with how I feel. I never even played the game. It wouldn't matter if the game was the second coming of System Shock or Mass Effect, though - there is less than zero chance a film studio has any interest in tying its film canon down to a bunch of video games and promotional tie-in materials that only hardcore sci-fi buffs know about. That's a fact of life and we see it everyday. Expecting any of the video games or books or comic books over the last several decades to be seriously referenced or acknowledged as canon in these films in any way is dreaming. But you should know that by now. It's not about the geek hardcore. It's about the largest possible audience.

Yeah, I know expecting a video game or comic reference is a forlorn dream, but I still acknowledge them as canon (as in it actually happened) to the series.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Gash on Feb 27, 2015, 06:25:18 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 03:39:28 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:01:33 AM
Retcon or not I'm not excited about this movie at all. Don't think Blomkamp is the right person to direct this. Of course it could be worse (way worse), but still.
Well, if you think Alien 3 was the high point of the series, then I think it's better for us that you're not excited for this movie :P

'Us' being those that are hoping it's just basically modeled after Aliens from your previous posts. Because that was the exciting 'pew pew' one that all the teenagers think is wicked.

Maybe you'll get your wish. It's really too early to judge anything. I'd hazard a guess that all the unseen concept art is being kept under wraps because it's actually closer to the story Blomkamp wants to tell, so all this Hicks, Newt excitement is, with any luck,  a blind alley.

I'm not expecting Blomkamp to make a psycho/sexual, body horror film, it'll undoubtedly be PG 13 with lots of 'cool tech' and pulse rifle action. Maybe that will free up Prom 2 to be 'R', or perhaps it will consign it to the restrictions of the teen demographic too.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 27, 2015, 07:47:01 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 04:49:58 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 27, 2015, 04:15:53 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 12:14:05 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 26, 2015, 11:28:40 PM
It's not remotely canon, and I assure you even the execs who once implied that to help sales have already forgotten all about it. None of the EU is canon or ever will be. It means nothing to anyone except the most hardcore fanbase, and that's not the demographic the studio is intent on re-pitching this franchise to. Same thing with the terrible Star Wars books or the dogged fans of that Terminator TV show - shit outta luck.

Sorry, but before I acknowledge something as not canon, I'll need more to go on than the moans and groans of pissed off fanboys. :(

LOL, this has nothing to do with how I feel. I never even played the game. It wouldn't matter if the game was the second coming of System Shock or Mass Effect, though - there is less than zero chance a film studio has any interest in tying its film canon down to a bunch of video games and promotional tie-in materials that only hardcore sci-fi buffs know about. That's a fact of life and we see it everyday. Expecting any of the video games or books or comic books over the last several decades to be seriously referenced or acknowledged as canon in these films in any way is dreaming. But you should know that by now. It's not about the geek hardcore. It's about the largest possible audience.

Yeah, I know expecting a video game or comic reference is a forlorn dream, but I still acknowledge them as canon (as in it actually happened) to the series.

You can if you want to, sure. But what I'm saying is that the studio and the filmmakers don't and won't, and that goes for the AVP films as well, IMO. They might say nice things to placate the hardcore fans who like absolutely all of it - like not denying the possibility that Guy Pearce's Weyland and that silly Lance Henriksen character from AVP could coexist, while not saying yes either - but FOX knows they treated those franchises and others (X-Men, etc.) like a McDonald's chain for most of the early 2000s and they are busy whitewashing all of it away now. All that stuff, those crossover films, the games, the comics, they're ignored.

They may or may not ever come out and say "f**k that shit," but that is exactly what every studio means when it comes to any EU material for any major film franchise, unless it is some sort of runaway hit on its own in the mainstream - and even then it is no guarantee (look at the weird DC Comics TV shows, some of which are wildly popular on basic cable, but which DC will never validate as being part of their film canon even if they run ten years like silly-ass Smallville).
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 08:26:37 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:52:09 PM

Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 08:42:35 PM
The term "genetic sibling" leads me to believe that 3 and Resurrection won't be wiped out entirely.  If this film was going to be a direct sequel to Aliens that completely ignored later continuity, they probably would have said it outright.

Normally I'd agree but when Prometheus was reported to have strands of Alien DNA in it, everyone took it literally and assume it to be a spinoff; since that worked out exactly as they said, I'm more inclined to listen to them now than I usually would.

It is a spin-off.


And stop being condescending towards each other. Now.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 08:39:38 AM
Predictable carnage while I was asleep.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 27, 2015, 08:44:46 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 08:39:38 AM
Predictable carnage while I was asleep.

It looks like the barricade didn't hold.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 08:51:13 AM
It's taken me like my first hour at work to get through the 3 big threads. I shouldn't sleep at night.  :P
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 08:56:06 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 27, 2015, 08:44:46 AMIt looks like the barricade didn't hold.

;D
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Shamo on Feb 27, 2015, 10:58:14 AM
Really really bad idea in my opinion. Every Alien movie has its own unique tone and developed the story cohesively in a creative way. As a director of Alien 5 one should take the challenge and do the same. Just because you like the old ones better, you shouldn't just ignore where the story was going. To just scrap parts of the mythology, espsecially now iwth the expanded universe taking off through the books would really blow the hordes of long term fans out of the universe.

I don't know I just don't like it. It would mess up my whole viewing experience when I want to watch the whole series on a weekend.

I am not agasinst trying new things- but just scrapping stuff is a poor creative desicision. Why trying to copy Alien and Aliens? Especially with the Alien esque Ripley designs- you could really develope Ripley 8 into something more. 
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 27, 2015, 11:08:01 AM
I wonder if Blomkamp has any idea the shit he's stepped into?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 12:28:13 PM
I'm sure he's well aware. Anyone who's involved with sci-fi film-making knows the heavy burden making an Alien or Predator brings with it. Anderson and the Strause Brothers knew what they got into with AvP, even if their films didn't seem to reflect it.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 12:31:53 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 27, 2015, 11:08:01 AM
I wonder if Blomkamp has any idea the shit he's stepped into?

He's one brave white man. I hope he's wearing a condom.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 01:03:30 PM
Quote from: Shamo on Feb 27, 2015, 10:58:14 AM
Really really bad idea in my opinion. Every Alien movie has its own unique tone and developed the story cohesively in a creative way. As a director of Alien 5 one should take the challenge and do the same. Just because you like the old ones better, you shouldn't just ignore where the story was going. To just scrap parts of the mythology, espsecially now iwth the expanded universe taking off through the books would really blow the hordes of long term fans out of the universe.

I don't know I just don't like it. It would mess up my whole viewing experience when I want to watch the whole series on a weekend.

I am not agasinst trying new things- but just scrapping stuff is a poor creative desicision. Why trying to copy Alien and Aliens? Especially with the Alien esque Ripley designs- you could really develope Ripley 8 into something more.

Want to watch them all in a weekend?

Alien- Theatrical Cut, Aliens- Theatrical Cut, Alien³- Assembly Cut, Alien: Resurrection: Special Edition, Prometheus, Alien- "Director's Cut", Aliens- Special Edition, Neill Blompkamp's- AL III EN.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xhan on Feb 27, 2015, 08:50:37 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:11:02 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:15 PMOption 6:

Ripley and Hicks are still dead, but their templates are copied into synthetics who continue to carry on their work.

But why would anyone do that!

I ask that same question every time someone says "hired joss whedon".
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Generic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:16:49 PM

Quote from: Shamo on Feb 27, 2015, 10:58:14 AM
Really really bad idea in my opinion. Every Alien movie has its own unique tone and developed the story cohesively in a creative way. As a director of Alien 5 one should take the challenge and do the same. Just because you like the old ones better, you shouldn't just ignore where the story was going. To just scrap parts of the mythology, espsecially now iwth the expanded universe taking off through the books would really blow the hordes of long term fans out of the universe.

I don't know I just don't like it. It would mess up my whole viewing experience when I want to watch the whole series on a weekend.

I am not agasinst trying new things- but just scrapping stuff is a poor creative desicision. Why trying to copy Alien and Aliens? Especially with the Alien esque Ripley designs- you could really develope Ripley 8 into something more.

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Generic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomorphine on Feb 28, 2015, 01:51:46 AM
Again, we have no idea what this film may or may not do. Hicks is in it? Great. He could also be a flashback, dream sequence or waking hallucination. If 'Terminator 2' was being made and we had a picture or two of Sarah Connor interacting with Kyle Reese, people would be shouting RETCON from the virtual rooftops, right about now, too - but context would matter.

We know nothing, guys. Absolutely nothing, whatsoever.

Just hope it'll do its job as a movie and will prove entertaining.

'Alien Isolation' is a big f**king massive retcon of the highest order, but nobody's up in arms about that. Everyone just loves how atmospheric it was (and, dare I say it, but perhaps her involvement with that title heavily contributed to Weaver's engagement with this one). If you can like that game, then there's just as much of a chance you could possibly like this, too.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Generic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 02:17:43 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 28, 2015, 01:51:46 AM
Again, we have no idea what this film may or may not do. Hicks is in it? Great. He could also be a flashback, dream sequence or waking hallucination. If 'Terminator 2' was being made and we had a picture or two of Sarah Connor interacting with Kyle Reese, people would be shouting RETCON from the virtual rooftops, right about now, too - but context would matter.

We know nothing, guys. Absolutely nothing, whatsoever.

Just hope it'll do its job as a movie and will prove entertaining

'Alien Isolation' is a big f**king massive retcon of the highest order, but nobody's up in arms about that. Everyone just loves how atmospheric it was (and, dare I say it, but perhaps her involvement with that title heavily contributed to Weaver's engagement with this one). If you can like that game, then there's just as much of a chance you could possibly like this, too.

Alien Isolation is a game, A5 is a movie.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Generic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 28, 2015, 02:29:19 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 02:17:43 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 28, 2015, 01:51:46 AM
Again, we have no idea what this film may or may not do. Hicks is in it? Great. He could also be a flashback, dream sequence or waking hallucination. If 'Terminator 2' was being made and we had a picture or two of Sarah Connor interacting with Kyle Reese, people would be shouting RETCON from the virtual rooftops, right about now, too - but context would matter.

We know nothing, guys. Absolutely nothing, whatsoever.

Just hope it'll do its job as a movie and will prove entertaining

'Alien Isolation' is a big f**king massive retcon of the highest order, but nobody's up in arms about that. Everyone just loves how atmospheric it was (and, dare I say it, but perhaps her involvement with that title heavily contributed to Weaver's engagement with this one). If you can like that game, then there's just as much of a chance you could possibly like this, too.

Alien Isolation is a game, A5 is a movie.

Alien Isolation - to my knowledge... Just expanded on her daughter's story. Was there something else added that contradicts anything in the Alien films? Apart from the idea of the Company lying to ripley about her daughter. Cause that's not the same thing as a retcon.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 02:38:51 AM
Yes exactly, nothing in Alien: Isolation was a retcon, it simply expanded upon existing material and (retroactively) made us suspected of Burke's terminology- but that's an extremely minor retcon considering most don't trust Burke already.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2015, 10:26:32 PM
Michael Biehn is at Pensacon 2015 and according to an attendee over at Reddit he has been contacted about the new movie.

http://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/2xhmu0/michael_beihn_says_hes_been_contacted/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/2xhmu0/michael_beihn_says_hes_been_contacted/)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Magegg on Feb 28, 2015, 10:31:53 PM
Makes sense  :)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 28, 2015, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2015, 10:26:32 PM
Michael Biehn is at Pensacon 2015 and according to an attendee over at Reddit he has been contacted about the new movie.

http://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/2xhmu0/michael_beihn_says_hes_been_contacted/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/2xhmu0/michael_beihn_says_hes_been_contacted/)
This is so surreal. Something that should've never happened but somehow is. Now with the actual possibility that Biehn is signing on after all, it's finally hitting me  :o
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Magegg on Feb 28, 2015, 10:55:09 PM
That quote from the Reddit top, was beautiful D: Hope this is not fake U.U
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Generic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xhan on Feb 28, 2015, 10:59:11 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 28, 2015, 01:51:46 AM
Again, we have no idea what this film may or may not do. Hicks is in it? Great. He could also be a flashback, dream sequence or waking hallucination. If 'Terminator 2' was being made and we had a picture or two of Sarah Connor interacting with Kyle Reese, people would be shouting RETCON from the virtual rooftops, right about now, too - but context would matter.

We know nothing, guys. Absolutely nothing, whatsoever.

Just hope it'll do its job as a movie and will prove entertaining.

'Alien Isolation' is a big f**king massive retcon of the highest order, but nobody's up in arms about that.

COUGH
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SiL on Feb 28, 2015, 11:00:48 PM
Isolation is a game and most people don't give a shit what they do with the story. Bubble-gum pink Aliens all the way, man.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 11:04:49 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2015, 10:26:32 PM
Michael Biehn is at Pensacon 2015 and according to an attendee over at Reddit he has been contacted about the new movie.

http://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/2xhmu0/michael_beihn_says_hes_been_contacted/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/2xhmu0/michael_beihn_says_hes_been_contacted/)

Whoooooaaaaaaaaaaah!  :o

All we need to know now is if Alien 3 and Resurrection are dreams or not.. I'm hoping they're not made into dreams.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 28, 2015, 11:06:47 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 11:04:49 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2015, 10:26:32 PM
Michael Biehn is at Pensacon 2015 and according to an attendee over at Reddit he has been contacted about the new movie.

http://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/2xhmu0/michael_beihn_says_hes_been_contacted/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/2xhmu0/michael_beihn_says_hes_been_contacted/)

Whoooooaaaaaaaaaaah!  :o

All we need to know now is if Alien 3 and Resurrection are dreams or not.. I'm hoping they're not made into dreams.

Would explain the different cryotubes, different colour writing on the Sulaco and the magic egg if they were dreams though....
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 11:08:20 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 28, 2015, 11:06:47 PM
Would explain the different cryotubes, different colour writing on the Sulaco and the magic egg if they were dreams though....

Yeah but the whole "It was a dream" thing is a huge cop out and I would be extremely disappointed.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 11:11:56 PM
Same Rakai.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Generic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 01:07:34 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 28, 2015, 02:29:19 AM
Alien Isolation - to my knowledge... Just expanded on her daughter's story. Was there something else added that contradicts anything in the Alien films? Apart from the idea of the Company lying to ripley about her daughter. Cause that's not the same thing as a retcon.

Burke had no reason to lie - and Ripley had every reason to look up her daughter's life details from non-company sources. She would have been at her utmost paranoid about trusting the company at that point. Finding out Amanda went off in search of her voice recorder to somewhere which came to grief, Nostromo-style, would have been a big red flag.

And the fact nobody's heard about anything remotely like the Alien... Nobody mentoning that the woman's daughter mentioned encountering something similar, at Ellen's own hearing? Not plausible.

And if the company was nefarious and evil, having a reason for covering it up, then they would have also had every reason to go and seek out LV-426 and actively scour it before Ellen returned. They didn't. It's just another colony to them. One which they never bothered putting any real dedicated bio-warfare personnel or facilities on.

The game's really well presented and worthy of being praised, but even its own writers copped out of providing an explanation for Amanda's inclusion. :)

So, again, if people can take that gaming experience to heart, they can enjoy a movie which retcons the third/fourth movie, too. 'Isolation' proved that, so well as something is done well, people just won't care.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:31:31 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 01:07:34 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 28, 2015, 02:29:19 AM
Alien Isolation - to my knowledge... Just expanded on her daughter's story. Was there something else added that contradicts anything in the Alien films? Apart from the idea of the Company lying to ripley about her daughter. Cause that's not the same thing as a retcon.

Burke had no reason to lie - and Ripley had every reason to look up her daughter's life details from non-company sources. She would have been at her utmost paranoid about trusting the company at that point. Finding out Amanda went off in search of her voice recorder to somewhere which came to grief, Nostromo-style, would have been a big red flag.

And the fact nobody's heard about anything remotely like the Alien... Nobody mentoning that the woman's daughter mentioned encountering something similar, at Ellen's own hearing? Not plausible.

And if the company was nefarious and evil, having a reason for covering it up, then they would have also had every reason to go and seek out LV-426 and actively scour it before Ellen returned. They didn't. It's just another colony to them. One which they never bothered putting any real dedicated bio-warfare personnel or facilities on.

The game's really well presented and worthy of being praised, but even its own writers copped out of providing an explanation for Amanda's inclusion. :)

So, again, if people can take that gaming experience to heart, they can enjoy a movie which retcons the third/fourth movie, too. 'Isolation' proved that, so well as something is done well, people just won't care.
To be fair, all of those "continuity" issues you bring up can all be explained away really, really easily.

Amanda's fate in the game and her fate in 'Aliens' don't line up, but the game ends on a massive cliffhanger so there's obviously more story to tell, and dozens of ways to tie it all together.

W-Y didn't scour LV-426 for Alien stuff because they didn't know it was there - you shut off the Derelict's beacon in Isolation, and all other data from the Nostromo incident was destroyed (or floating in the Narcissus, awaiting pickup decades later). Even the crew files in the inquest in 'Aliens' mention the Nostromo case had been closed years after Isolation is supposed to take place - W-Y had simply stopped searching. It was obviously getting to be cost prohibitive - they'd lost the Nostromo, and 15 years later they lost an entire space station, all with absolutely nothing to show for it.

I mean we're not talking Colonial Marines degrees of continuity speedbumps here.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be \
Post by: HappyAlien on Mar 01, 2015, 04:45:02 AM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 09:27:18 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 25, 2015, 09:13:59 PM
Alien 3 isn't going anywhere. Even if I love this. Don't see what the problem with a different take  would be.


cool lets make a completely new Star Wars Episode 4 and 5 movie then!
i hate the idea but i love the franchise and Sigourney, Blomkamp, also Micheal Biehn is a hellofa actor now!
but this story is just.. they are raping my childhood :D like AVP and AR werent enough

Star Wars and Empire were the two best films in the  Star Wars franchise while Alien 3 and Alien R were not as good as the first two Alien films. If anything they should remake Star Wars episodes 1,2 and 3.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 04:48:50 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:31:31 AM
Amanda's fate in the game and her fate in 'Aliens' don't line up, but the game ends on a massive cliffhanger so there's obviously more story to tell, and dozens of ways to tie it all together.

But that's my point. The game, as it stands, is essentially retconning known canon. If taht changes in a future edition, great, but it has yet to do so.

So, until then, the game features a retcon - but people generally like it. :) That's why I say the same will apply to this project if it goes the same way.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2015, 05:22:58 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 04:48:50 PMBut that's my point. The game, as it stands, is essentially retconning known canon. If taht changes in a future edition, great, but it has yet to do so.

It really isn't. It's not like we saw Amanda's body in the second film.

More to the point, Amanda doesn't exist at all as far as the theatrical cut is concerned.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 05:33:31 PM
No, but either she dies much earlier than her mother was informed or humanity should know about the creatures by then (or at the very least, she'd be disbelieved for telling a story her mother would have looked up).
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2015, 05:37:17 PM
Why? Marlow's argument that the only way to beat the Alien is to refuse to engage is pretty compelling and accurate. It's not at all unrealistic that Amanda would buy into that and keep schtum as a result.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 05:45:57 PM
When people encounter extraordinary things, the feel a desire to tell others about it when they've reached safety.

She'd also be a key witness as to what happened to the station and Weyland-Yutani personnel who were travelling with her. Plus, it would have cleared her mother's name of any suspicion of blame, whatsoever; providing a solution to that old mystery was clearly something she felt very strongly about.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2015, 05:50:05 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 05:45:57 PMWhen people encounter extraordinary things, the feel a desire to tell others about it when they've reached safety.

People also make huge personal sacrifices to save others. Like her mum, for example.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2015, 06:20:06 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 04:48:50 PM
So, until then, the game features a retcon - but people generally like it. :) That's why I say the same will apply to this project if it goes the same way.

Whilst we don't know the full details about Alienkamp and how it'll return Ripley and Hicks, one of the options is to just ignore lien 3 and Resurrection. This is slightly different to Isolation as that doesn't effectively erase anything the current continuity.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Adam802 on Mar 01, 2015, 08:36:24 PM
Just ignore A3 and A:R.  Dont officially make a reason for why A3 and A:R dont exist, just make a new movie.  That way, people who like A3 and A:R can still enjoy them as canon if they want to.  Also, trying to make a reason why A3/A:R didnt happen will just be contrived and forced. 
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 08:51:41 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2015, 06:20:06 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 04:48:50 PM
So, until then, the game features a retcon - but people generally like it. :) That's why I say the same will apply to this project if it goes the same way.

Whilst we don't know the full details about Alienkamp and how it'll return Ripley and Hicks, one of the options is to just ignore lien 3 and Resurrection. This is slightly different to Isolation as that doesn't effectively erase anything the current continuity.

No, you're correct- it simply created two continuities.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 01, 2015, 09:04:31 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Mar 01, 2015, 08:36:24 PMJust ignore A3 and A:R.  Dont officially make a reason for why A3 and A:R dont exist, just make a new movie.  That way, people who like A3 and A:R can still enjoy them as canon if they want to.  Also, trying to make a reason why A3/A:R didnt happen will just be contrived and forced.

I don't want a retcon, but if they insist this is how they should do it.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: meshuggah on Mar 01, 2015, 11:35:26 PM
Yeah I can accept the idea of choosing timelines after Aliens, it reminds me of Mass Effect - Now, would you like to follow Blomkamp or have the tragic Fincher ending? - And after the film cones out fans will debate over the alternative canons for eons as Fox laughs to the bank. But I honestly think its the best approach and I believe that's what Blonkamp meant when he said he won't "undo" them.


Ugh, excuse the spelling errors, typing on a phone. Also, I hope Bishop returns!
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Taxemic on Mar 02, 2015, 12:16:28 AM
Guys these are films made for our entertainment. Believe whatever the f*** you want to believe.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 02, 2015, 01:12:26 AM
Quote from: Taxemic on Mar 02, 2015, 12:16:28 AM
Guys these are films made for our entertainment. Believe whatever the f*** you want to believe.

Well, the reason I care is that sequels revive the movie prior to it and continue building on what already had been built. Ignoring movies is the same as undoing them in the long run, especially if the new retcon sequels are successful. A3 will fade away completely, which is a pity it's an amazing movie that deserves better than that. I also hate retcons, reboots and remakes in general because they are ALWAYS cheap. It's the laziest thing one can do movie-wise, especially retcons. I don't want my favorite sci-fi movie franchise to go that sad route.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 01:22:14 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 08:51:41 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2015, 06:20:06 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 04:48:50 PM
So, until then, the game features a retcon - but people generally like it. :) That's why I say the same will apply to this project if it goes the same way.

Whilst we don't know the full details about Alienkamp and how it'll return Ripley and Hicks, one of the options is to just ignore lien 3 and Resurrection. This is slightly different to Isolation as that doesn't effectively erase anything the current continuity.

No, you're correct- it simply created two continuities.
Interesting use of past-tense.

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 02, 2015, 01:12:26 AM
Quote from: Taxemic on Mar 02, 2015, 12:16:28 AM
Guys these are films made for our entertainment. Believe whatever the f*** you want to believe.

Well, the reason I care is that sequels revive the movie prior to it and continues building on what already had been built. Ignoring movies is the same as undoing them in the long run, especially if the new retcon sequels are successful. A3 will be fade away, which is a pity it's an amazing movie that deserves better than that. I also hate retcons, reboots and remakes in general because they are ALWAYS cheap. It's the laziest thing one can do movie-wise, especially retcons. I don't want my favorite sci-fi movie franchise to go that sad route.
I wouldn't say "ALWAYS" cheap. I can name several remakes/reboots that ended up being very solid - John Carpenter's 'The Thing' is a remake and it's completely fantastic, the Star Trek reboot is great, Casino Royale is great, the Nolan Batman movies are reboots and they're arguably better than the Schumacher ones, The Amazing Spider-Man is pretty great, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Halloween remakes are pretty great, the Thomas Jane 'Punisher' is worlds better than the Dolph Lundgren one, 'The Ring' US remake is fantastic, and that's off the top of my head.

Remakes and reboots can be bad, but they're not universally, categorically bad.

Also any movie sequel ends up having retcons in it. It's the nature of continuing a story that otherwise had "an ending". Literally every sequel in any medium since the dawn of mankind has had "retcons" in them to varying degrees.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 02, 2015, 01:26:59 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 01:22:14 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 08:51:41 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 01, 2015, 06:20:06 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 04:48:50 PM
So, until then, the game features a retcon - but people generally like it. :) That's why I say the same will apply to this project if it goes the same way.

Whilst we don't know the full details about Alienkamp and how it'll return Ripley and Hicks, one of the options is to just ignore lien 3 and Resurrection. This is slightly different to Isolation as that doesn't effectively erase anything the current continuity.

No, you're correct- it simply created two continuities.
Interesting use of past-tense.

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 02, 2015, 01:12:26 AM
Quote from: Taxemic on Mar 02, 2015, 12:16:28 AM
Guys these are films made for our entertainment. Believe whatever the f*** you want to believe.

Well, the reason I care is that sequels revive the movie prior to it and continues building on what already had been built. Ignoring movies is the same as undoing them in the long run, especially if the new retcon sequels are successful. A3 will be fade away, which is a pity it's an amazing movie that deserves better than that. I also hate retcons, reboots and remakes in general because they are ALWAYS cheap. It's the laziest thing one can do movie-wise, especially retcons. I don't want my favorite sci-fi movie franchise to go that sad route.
I wouldn't say "ALWAYS" cheap. I can name several remakes/reboots that ended up being very solid - John Carpenter's 'The Thing' is a remake and it's completely fantastic, the Star Trek reboot is great, Casino Royale is great, the Nolan Batman movies are reboots and they're arguably better than the Schumacher ones, The Amazing Spider-Man is pretty great, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Halloween remakes are pretty great, the Thomas Jane 'Punisher' is worlds better than the Dolph Lundgren one, 'The Ring' US remake is fantastic, and that's off the top of my head.

Remakes and reboots can be bad, but they're not universally, categorically bad.

Also any movie sequel ends up having retcons in it. It's the nature of continuing a story that otherwise had "an ending". Literally every sequel in any medium since the dawn of mankind has had "retcons" in them to varying degrees.

Ok, the new "The Punisher" is better, but they're both proper crap movies to me.

Retconning TWO entire movies is not the same as changing around minor things and details.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 02:07:01 AM
I don't disagree there, and I'm very much against retconning Alien3 out of existence (partly on principle, and partly because I like the movie quite a bit). I was more of making the point that retcons aren't necessarily bad things when they're handled right. Like you, I don't think this is one of those times though. :P
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 02, 2015, 02:08:40 AM
It won't be "undone" that's one statement we know is true, no matter what happens one will not invalidate the other.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 02, 2015, 02:44:38 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 02:07:01 AM
I don't disagree there, and I'm very much against retconning Alien3 out of existence (partly on principle, and partly because I like the movie quite a bit). I was more of making the point that retcons aren't necessarily bad things when they're handled right. Like you, I don't think this is one of those times though. :P

I just can't stand anything re____ . I just don't see the point of it. Total waste of money.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 02:51:06 AM
Sometimes, they don't get it right the first time. :P

Serious question: Have you seen John Carpenter's 'The Thing'?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 02, 2015, 03:11:09 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 02:51:06 AM
Sometimes, they don't get it right the first time. :P

Serious question: Have you seen John Carpenter's 'The Thing'?

Yes. Yes I have.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 03:17:04 AM
Follow-up question: What did you think of it?
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Vermillion on Mar 02, 2015, 03:21:31 AM
It's very gory and scary.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 02, 2015, 03:34:37 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 03:17:04 AM
Follow-up question: What did you think of it?

Very gory and b-movie like in a scary and perfectly disturbing kind of way and the The Thing From Another World (1951) I've always been a sucker for and is quite different from Carpenter's interpretation. They're on par for me. The difference here is that The Thing is based on a novel which makes the whole remake thing of a different nature and doesn't really compare to an actual retcon, reboot or remake.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Gash on Mar 02, 2015, 03:40:29 AM
The Thing 82 is much less a remake of the Thing From Another World than it is a return to the source material, only really borrowing the title sequence. The Thing 2010 on the other hand is practically a beat for beat remake of The Thing 82. And that was pretending to be a prequel. Why it couldn't have been an amalgum of The Thing from Another World and the expanded elements of Dean Fosters 82 novelisation is anyone's guess - then at least it might have had some new variations to show off.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 03:42:54 AM
Fair enough. :) I don't quite agree on the "not quite a remake" but I get where you're coming from since it's more true to the source material than the 1951 movie was.

Quote from: Gash on Mar 02, 2015, 03:40:29 AM
The Thing 82 is much less a remake of the Thing From Another World than it is a return to the source material, only really borrowing the title sequence. The Thing 2010 on the other hand is practically a beat for beat remake of The Thing 82. And that was pretending to be a prequel. Why it couldn't have been an amalgum of The Thing from Another World and the expanded elements of Dean Fosters 82 novelisation is anyone's guess - then at least it might have had some new variations to show off.
Strongly disagree that the prequel is a remake of the Carpenter movie. Pretty much every place it could be different, it was different.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 02, 2015, 03:43:51 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 02, 2015, 03:34:37 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 03:17:04 AM
Follow-up question: What did you think of it?

Very gory and b-movie like in a scary and perfectly disturbing kind of way and the The Thing From Another World (1951) I've always been a sucker for and is quite different from Carpenter's interpretation. They're on par for me. The difference here is that The Thing is based on a novel which makes the whole remake thing of a different nature and doesn't really compare to an actual retcon, reboot or remake.

readaptation
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xhan on Mar 02, 2015, 04:16:47 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:31:31 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 01:07:34 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 28, 2015, 02:29:19 AM
Alien Isolation - to my knowledge... Just expanded on her daughter's story. Was there something else added that contradicts anything in the Alien films? Apart from the idea of the Company lying to ripley about her daughter. Cause that's not the same thing as a retcon.

Burke had no reason to lie - and Ripley had every reason to look up her daughter's life details from non-company sources. She would have been at her utmost paranoid about trusting the company at that point. Finding out Amanda went off in search of her voice recorder to somewhere which came to grief, Nostromo-style, would have been a big red flag.

And the fact nobody's heard about anything remotely like the Alien... Nobody mentoning that the woman's daughter mentioned encountering something similar, at Ellen's own hearing? Not plausible.

And if the company was nefarious and evil, having a reason for covering it up, then they would have also had every reason to go and seek out LV-426 and actively scour it before Ellen returned. They didn't. It's just another colony to them. One which they never bothered putting any real dedicated bio-warfare personnel or facilities on.

The game's really well presented and worthy of being praised, but even its own writers copped out of providing an explanation for Amanda's inclusion. :)

So, again, if people can take that gaming experience to heart, they can enjoy a movie which retcons the third/fourth movie, too. 'Isolation' proved that, so well as something is done well, people just won't care.
To be fair, all of those "continuity" issues you bring up can all be explained away really, really easily.

Amanda's fate in the game and her fate in 'Aliens' don't line up, but the game ends on a massive cliffhanger so there's obviously more story to tell, and dozens of ways to tie it all together.

W-Y didn't scour LV-426 for Alien stuff because they didn't know it was there - you shut off the Derelict's beacon in Isolation, and all other data from the Nostromo incident was destroyed (or floating in the Narcissus, awaiting pickup decades later). Even the crew files in the inquest in 'Aliens' mention the Nostromo case had been closed years after Isolation is supposed to take place - W-Y had simply stopped searching. It was obviously getting to be cost prohibitive - they'd lost the Nostromo, and 15 years later they lost an entire space station, all with absolutely nothing to show for it.

I mean we're not talking Colonial Marines degrees of continuity speedbumps here.


No, they can't; unless you're the kind of mouthbreather par excellence that thinks Big Show really does hate Dolph Ziggler for taking his lunchmoney because it's all so, so very real. A:I shits all over Ripley's characterization and you can't say otherwise unless you're an apologist. Ripley was always ahead of the curve and that's why she and anyone else survived Acheron in the first place.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: razeak on Mar 02, 2015, 04:28:38 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 05:45:57 PM
When people encounter extraordinary things, the feel a desire to tell others about it when they've reached safety.

She'd also be a key witness as to what happened to the station and Weyland-Yutani personnel who were travelling with her. Plus, it would have cleared her mother's name of any suspicion of blame, whatsoever; providing a solution to that old mystery was clearly something she felt very strongly about.

I think you may be thinking in absolutes. Many people would do exactly that, but not all.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 04:32:50 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Mar 02, 2015, 04:16:47 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:31:31 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 01:07:34 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 28, 2015, 02:29:19 AM
Alien Isolation - to my knowledge... Just expanded on her daughter's story. Was there something else added that contradicts anything in the Alien films? Apart from the idea of the Company lying to ripley about her daughter. Cause that's not the same thing as a retcon.

Burke had no reason to lie - and Ripley had every reason to look up her daughter's life details from non-company sources. She would have been at her utmost paranoid about trusting the company at that point. Finding out Amanda went off in search of her voice recorder to somewhere which came to grief, Nostromo-style, would have been a big red flag.

And the fact nobody's heard about anything remotely like the Alien... Nobody mentoning that the woman's daughter mentioned encountering something similar, at Ellen's own hearing? Not plausible.

And if the company was nefarious and evil, having a reason for covering it up, then they would have also had every reason to go and seek out LV-426 and actively scour it before Ellen returned. They didn't. It's just another colony to them. One which they never bothered putting any real dedicated bio-warfare personnel or facilities on.

The game's really well presented and worthy of being praised, but even its own writers copped out of providing an explanation for Amanda's inclusion. :)

So, again, if people can take that gaming experience to heart, they can enjoy a movie which retcons the third/fourth movie, too. 'Isolation' proved that, so well as something is done well, people just won't care.
To be fair, all of those "continuity" issues you bring up can all be explained away really, really easily.

Amanda's fate in the game and her fate in 'Aliens' don't line up, but the game ends on a massive cliffhanger so there's obviously more story to tell, and dozens of ways to tie it all together.

W-Y didn't scour LV-426 for Alien stuff because they didn't know it was there - you shut off the Derelict's beacon in Isolation, and all other data from the Nostromo incident was destroyed (or floating in the Narcissus, awaiting pickup decades later). Even the crew files in the inquest in 'Aliens' mention the Nostromo case had been closed years after Isolation is supposed to take place - W-Y had simply stopped searching. It was obviously getting to be cost prohibitive - they'd lost the Nostromo, and 15 years later they lost an entire space station, all with absolutely nothing to show for it.

I mean we're not talking Colonial Marines degrees of continuity speedbumps here.


No, they can't; unless you're the kind of mouthbreather par excellence that thinks Big Show really does hate Dolph Ziggler for taking his lunchmoney because it's all so, so very real. A:I shits all over Ripley's characterization and you can't say otherwise unless you're an apologist. Ripley was always ahead of the curve and that's why she and anyone else survived Acheron in the first place.
Yeah but that's just, like, your opinion, man.

I wasn't aware A:I had any bearing on Ripley's characterization seeing as how she's not in it and doesn't contribute to the plot or characters in any meaningful way (unless you want to count her "farewell" message to her daughter I guess?).
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: razeak on Mar 02, 2015, 04:50:03 AM
There is a 42 year gap between A:I and Aliens. Everything is entirely plausible and easily explained at this point. A sequel may muddy things up, but as it stands, A:I fits rather neatly into the continuity.

1. Burke had plenty of reason to lie, especially if he uncovered something about the events of A:I. If someone else in the company was able to connect the dots with the loss of the Nostromo and the space station years later, then of course he is going to drum up something. It's his character. He's blind with greed and ambition.

2. The writers gave an explanation for Amanda's inclusion. She was looking for information about her mother. That's all the reason that is needed. As for no one looking into Amanda's reports, we don't have any evidence that is clear cut at this point that she survives to do that. Again, Burke isn't trustworthy.

3. If only a few corporate people were involved, maybe they thought it more prudent to just cover the Nostromo incident up rather than get exposed to lawsuits, fines and imprisonment.

4. It can't shit all over Ripley's character. Ellen is incredibly smart, but not all knowing for starters(egg on Sulaco, xeno in the Narcissus). Not checking into a very likely story that her daughter was dead 57 years later hardly sticks out as a bad characterization. If anything, blame Cameron for not showing that. It's just not a hard thing to believe someone died in their 60s. Isn't it only around 30 days before she's back on LV-426? Maybe it was something she was trying to look into. Bureaucracy and all that. On top of that, Van Leuwen admits there is a colony on LV-426. The fact that aliens aren't running amok on Earth or in the news and she knows a colony is there, probably made her realize that W/Y wasn't on to anything at that point, or that the creeps involved are long dead. Never mind that she is an emotional and mental train wreck at this point.

5. A recent novel contradicts the notion that W/Y doesn't know something is on LV-426.

I think he refers to Ripley's characterization as in she didn't check out Burke's information on Amanda for herself or search for any mention of aliens.

I just don't see how anyone can take a hardline stance that A:I screws up continuity. I'm open to evidence to the contrary. Good night :)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 04:54:23 AM
QuoteI think he refers to Ripley's characterization as in she didn't check out Burke's information on Amanda for herself or search for any mention of aliens.
It assumes Ripley would have found anything to contradict what Burke said, as well. Amanda Ripley's life (not to mention, how her life would be documented) between A:I and her death is one huge blank slate with dozens of ways to fill in the gaps leading to 'Aliens'.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xhan on Mar 02, 2015, 04:55:32 AM
Cameron did show that; it was the entire f**king reason for Ripley to take anything Burke said at face value, which is the entire reason for Ripley to be on board in the first place.

Cameron wouldn't have wasted film on it otherwise.

A novel? You mean the same article of faith that are routinely contradicted by other novels and media every couple of years?

What an absolutely definitive source you discovered.

(Actually you just made my earlier point for me)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 02, 2015, 07:37:20 AM
It's good to see you're still taking Alien: Isolation's success in stride.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 02, 2015, 07:53:27 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Mar 02, 2015, 04:16:47 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:31:31 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2015, 01:07:34 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 28, 2015, 02:29:19 AM
Alien Isolation - to my knowledge... Just expanded on her daughter's story. Was there something else added that contradicts anything in the Alien films? Apart from the idea of the Company lying to ripley about her daughter. Cause that's not the same thing as a retcon.

Burke had no reason to lie - and Ripley had every reason to look up her daughter's life details from non-company sources. She would have been at her utmost paranoid about trusting the company at that point. Finding out Amanda went off in search of her voice recorder to somewhere which came to grief, Nostromo-style, would have been a big red flag.

And the fact nobody's heard about anything remotely like the Alien... Nobody mentoning that the woman's daughter mentioned encountering something similar, at Ellen's own hearing? Not plausible.

And if the company was nefarious and evil, having a reason for covering it up, then they would have also had every reason to go and seek out LV-426 and actively scour it before Ellen returned. They didn't. It's just another colony to them. One which they never bothered putting any real dedicated bio-warfare personnel or facilities on.

The game's really well presented and worthy of being praised, but even its own writers copped out of providing an explanation for Amanda's inclusion. :)

So, again, if people can take that gaming experience to heart, they can enjoy a movie which retcons the third/fourth movie, too. 'Isolation' proved that, so well as something is done well, people just won't care.
To be fair, all of those "continuity" issues you bring up can all be explained away really, really easily.

Amanda's fate in the game and her fate in 'Aliens' don't line up, but the game ends on a massive cliffhanger so there's obviously more story to tell, and dozens of ways to tie it all together.

W-Y didn't scour LV-426 for Alien stuff because they didn't know it was there - you shut off the Derelict's beacon in Isolation, and all other data from the Nostromo incident was destroyed (or floating in the Narcissus, awaiting pickup decades later). Even the crew files in the inquest in 'Aliens' mention the Nostromo case had been closed years after Isolation is supposed to take place - W-Y had simply stopped searching. It was obviously getting to be cost prohibitive - they'd lost the Nostromo, and 15 years later they lost an entire space station, all with absolutely nothing to show for it.

I mean we're not talking Colonial Marines degrees of continuity speedbumps here.


No, they can't; unless you're the kind of mouthbreather par excellence that thinks Big Show really does hate Dolph Ziggler for taking his lunchmoney because it's all so, so very real. A:I shits all over Ripley's characterization and you can't say otherwise unless you're an apologist. Ripley was always ahead of the curve and that's why she and anyone else survived Acheron in the first place.

Brah, relax. You're overlooking some things. Some many things.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 08:36:57 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Mar 02, 2015, 04:55:32 AM
Cameron did show that; it was the entire f**king reason for Ripley to take anything Burke said at face value, which is the entire reason for Ripley to be on board in the first place.

Cameron wouldn't have wasted film on it otherwise.

A novel? You mean the same article of faith that are routinely contradicted by other novels and media every couple of years?

What an absolutely definitive source you discovered.

(Actually you just made my earlier point for me)
To claim the novels are contradicted every couple of years, aside from being objectively false, ignores the fact that the movies "contradict" each other to the same degree as well (that is to say, very very little).

Ripley takes Burke's statements at face value, and we learn everything Burke says is full of shit and meant to steer Ripley into helping him get an Alien. That means it's hardly out of character for anything Burke says about Amanda to be totally full of shit. As for Ripley, either she takes what he says at face value and doesn't look into Amanda's history, which leaves the door wide open for A:I to take place, or she does look into it and finds who-knows-what, which also leaves the door wide open for A:I to take place. Whether the "official records" of Amanda's life were doctored, or incomplete, literally wrong due to a clerical error, or actually 100% correct, A:I's whopper of a cliffhanger ending leaves the door wide open for a huge number of potential explanations for what is otherwise an amazingly tiny continuity speedbump in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SiL on Mar 02, 2015, 08:40:04 AM
QuoteTo claim the novels are contradicted every couple of years, aside from being objectively false,
All comics made from 1987-1992 were contradicted by Alien3 when it killed Hicks and Newt, then everything between 1992-1997 was contradicted by Alien Resurrection when it made it clear the Alien died with Ripley, so, y'know, every five years or so for a while there.

Quoteignores the fact that the movies "contradict" each other to the same degree as well (that is to say, very very little).
Until it turns out Blomkamp is actually ignoring A3 and Resurrection to have Hicks still be alive, no.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xhan on Mar 02, 2015, 08:47:27 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 02, 2015, 07:37:20 AM
It's good to see you're still taking Alien: Isolation's success in stride.

A:I's success is deserved, and valid criticism is equally deserved. Insertion begets criticism.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 08:53:09 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 02, 2015, 08:40:04 AM
QuoteTo claim the novels are contradicted every couple of years, aside from being objectively false,
All comics made from 1987-1992 were contradicted by Alien3 when it killed Hicks and Newt, then everything between 1992-1997 was contradicted by Alien Resurrection when it made it clear the Alien died with Ripley, so, y'know, every five years or so for a while there.

Quoteignores the fact that the movies "contradict" each other to the same degree as well (that is to say, very very little).
Until it turns out Blomkamp is actually ignoring A3 and Resurrection to have Hicks still be alive, no.
Novels, not comics. :)
Xhan was referring to the more recent novels of the DH Press/Titan era, which don't contradict each other like that (and don't even contradict the Bantam novels, and in fact directly reference them). Or at least, the person he was quoting was referring to them.
So the whole "contradicted every few years" idea hasn't even been remotely true for almost the past 20 years. :P
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 02, 2015, 08:55:53 AM
Quote from: Xhan on Mar 02, 2015, 08:47:27 AM
Insertion begets criticism.

That's what she said.

(someone had to do it)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SiL on Mar 02, 2015, 09:00:07 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 08:53:09 AM
So the whole "contradicted every few years" idea hasn't even been remotely true for almost the past 20 years. :P
Fuuuuuuuck 1997 was 18 years ago.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 09:02:44 AM
I know, right? It feels crazy that the first round of DH Press novels are a few years away from being a decade old. What the f**k.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 02, 2015, 09:03:47 AM
I saw Alien 3 (and Resurrection) in the theater and I'm just trying not to think about the time span.

I probably should've held onto my old DH/Earth War trades from before they retconned all the f**king character names. Wilkes and Billie my ass!
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 02, 2015, 09:04:06 AM
Sad panda. I already feel old enough without that realization.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Magegg on Mar 02, 2015, 02:25:27 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 02, 2015, 09:03:47 AM
I saw Alien 3 (and Resurrection) in the theater and I'm just trying not to think about the time span.

I probably should've held onto my old DH/Earth War trades from before they retconned all the f**king character names. Wilkes and Billie my ass!
Yeah, I hope they will be reprinted once again with the right names :)
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be "Genetic Sibling" to Alien & Aliens
Post by: shakermakerman on Mar 16, 2015, 03:45:17 PM
bump its not private anymore.
Title: Re: Alien 5 to be “Genetic Sibling” to Alien & Aliens
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 16, 2015, 09:35:05 PM
Thanks, glad the video's back up.