Quote from: Dabaus on Dec 14, 2017, 10:06:31 PM
Disney acquiring fox is a good thing as far as alien goes. Alien 1 being as good as was was almost an accident and a perfect storm of great ideas. Even then fox suits couldn't help themselves and forced the idea of the android in the plot out of the blue. Turns out it was a good idea but suits forcing pet ideas into these films are probably why the franchise is what it is today.
Aliens had a good foundation to work with thank to the great plot and life cycle introduced into alien 1. James Cameron had a solid vision and knew whhat he wanted the story to be. Plus since its guns shooting bam bam shoot em up, fox suits probly didn't meddle as much. Alien is the best one in my opinion.
Alien 3 was a mess mainly because giler and hill couldn't find a good script and weren't smart enough to figure out where the franchise should go or. We had a lot of interesting drafts for alien 3 which ultimately ended up a Frankenstein of ideas from past scripts.
Alien resurrection tried to revive the series but it was so weird of a film that I think it turned people off. Fox let the ip go doemant and made the trash tier avp movies to further damage the brand.
So Prometheus happens and it is said to be an alien prequel and that got fans excited. Original director taking us back to where it all began and where the alien comes from. Awesome. But lateninto develoment then fox CEO Rothram told Ridley to make Prometheus its own film. Lindlelof edits John slights (excellent I might add) script to make it Be a sci if film with loose alien associations.
Fans were disappointed that it wasn't a direct prequel so the franchise is put on ice again. Then blomkepmk has a idea for a solid alternative alien 3 film that reunites old favorite characters. Fans are excited and fox is interested.
Old man scott drunk off his ass catches wind that young up and coming director that actually had a passion for the franchise wants to mak a new film. Ridley stumbles to his phone and drunkenly tells the fox execs that HE wants to make an alien film. Fox tells him point blank it needs to have aliens in it. Fox and Ridley decide to pretend Prometheus never happened.
Scott after taking a huge swig of whiskey says "you want aliens, I'll give ya f**kin aliens. So scott retcons Prometheus as if it never happened by killing off all the engineers for no damn reason. Retcons all alien lore by having a rogue angry android create the alien, and over all makes a shit film. Then has the audacity to have it have a cliff hanger ending so ONLY he can make the sequel. Scott is holding this franchise hostage while killing it at the same time.
So here we are. The franchise is badly damaged thanks to compromises from fox and Scott. Scott wants to make another alien film apparently without the alien. Scott is obsessed with David who, while an interesting character, isn't really that interesting. It's just fassbenders perfomance was one of the few positives from Prometheus that I think they overplayed him.
Disny couldn't be worse than fox. Maybe they'll have the balls to take away this franchise from Ridley and put someone on there who gives a damn. It's the least we could ask for.
Although I love and laugh at the jokes you have in that post but I have to disagree with the covenant comments:
1: They didnt kill off all engineers, as that was a colony and the engineers will be in the sequel and confirmed in comics etc to live, dont worry.
2: The alien lore was never retconned, seens o many alien fans and angry joe fans etc thinking David created the xenomorph due to what we saw in the movie, in prometheus alone we know the xenos existed a long time before David and in the comics and lore the engineers made them and David just happened to find xeno DNA and designs from the engineers he started to reversee engineer, hence the differences in its behaviour and design and being clearly more stupid and grows faster than a original xeno. Its clearly explained in the expanded universe so no: the xenomorph lore wasnt changed.
My own comment on this: Since most who are for this seems to either want blomkamp back(aliens 2 version movie) or etconning alien 3 and make it into Aliens version 2 where newt and ripley and hicks and more space marines battles the xenos again and since Disney with star wars are playing on nostalgia and old ideas and reboting franchises and not do anything new and risky: we will have aliens movies for years and maybe some alien style movies, as they can be made for PG13: teenagers easily.
99% sure that will be the future for Alien movies after ridleys next movie. Space marines and xenos on ships/stations etc no more risky new ideas movies.
One of the reasons alien 3 became what it was were due to they wanted to do something different, not just something we had already seen.
Star wars might be doing well but with disneys plan to release a movie every year with safe cards and few new ideas I question for how long it will last until people gets feed up with it?
