I don't know if this has been posted here before but I came accross this, YouTube link on Billy's last stand an illustrative insight into what happened when he was killed by the predator offscreen.
I don't like that he was stabbed from behind. The whole scene shows that he meets the predator head-on.
Yeah, not really keen on that interpretation. The movie did it the best, let your imagination do the killing. Nothing shown could have possibly lived up to our expectations. It also heightens the fear aspect.
I always thought he died of blood loss after cutting himself open.
What if he fell down the log? The possibilities are endless.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 15, 2018, 12:32:25 PM
I always thought he died of blood loss after cutting himself open.
Bled to death in less than a minute from that non-gushing wound on his chest? I'm happy to report that is
not the way he died. ;D
You just raped my childhood.
I always imagined he was gutted like a fish.
Oh come on you Predator fans. It's obvious how the Predator killed Billy. He rushed in for the kill and blocked Billy's right hand swipe of the knife and then hit him on squarely on top of his noggin. Just like good old fashion whack-a-mole. That was why it was so easy to pull that spine out, it had already been torn free internally.
8)
Actually you're all wrong. The predator...
Spoiler
...told Billy that the alien skull is canon.
8)
Quote from: Wweyland on Feb 15, 2018, 01:19:00 PM
What if he fell down the log? The possibilities are endless.
Best death ever ;D :D
Just based on how loudly Billy screams, I assume he died by stepping on some Lego.
Joking aside, i think he screams because he remembered his agent booked him for his next movie Action Jackson.
I always thought he was stabbed or speared from the front. Of course, due to the precise nature and tone of the scream, it could've been a savage thumb wrestling victory, or a nude photo of Rosie O'Donnell. :)
The cause of death is clear and no joke, its because the Predator showed him AVP:R, just listen to the way he screams, no doubt what caused it. :laugh:
Seriously though, maybe
Spoiler
he found out David created the Xenomorph.
The Predator stabbed Billy in the Dick; because it didn't find his "broke dick dog" joke funny.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 19, 2018, 02:09:56 AM
The Predator stabbed Billy in the Dick; because it didn't find his "broke dick dog" joke funny.
Lol!
In all seriousness, I don't think showing it could have done it justice really, I just like to think that maybe JH used his wrist blades rather than his plasma caster.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 19, 2018, 10:57:45 AM
In all seriousness, I don't think showing it could have done it justice really, I just like to think that maybe JH used his wrist blades rather than his plasma caster.
I agree, keeping the mystery works so effectively
I just can't see Billy giving the Predator the joy of a bloodcurdling scream unless he was stabbed in the dick. It obviously had to be a stab but I can see Billy taking a hot blade to the gut and proclaiming that's all you've got boy. However a stab to his man hood, yea that's the ticket. It had to have been a clean upper cut right up the dick and the predator probably lifted him clean off of the log and over heard. That's the scream I heard. ^^
It's clear there was no fight as the time between we last see Billy and hear his scream is only a few seconds. What we know from the previous kills in the movie is that the predator prefers guerilla tactics rather than direct assault. Which means he either sniped him with a finisher like Dillon, sniped him like Blaine or ambushed him like Hawkins.
I get a sense in the movie that the predator was getting bolder with each kill..
This predator did not seem dumb enough to call Billy's bluff, as he may have strapped live grenades to himself like that guy in Predators (the Russian.. forget his name).
And the samurai sword fight in Predators is beyond lame so best not go there..
I think it's obvious that billy was using the tree log as a trap. Seeing that the predator was much larger and probably less agile... even though he was swinging through the trees like Tarzan. Shit the weight of the predator and Billy could have been enough to break the tree. So, yea perhaps it does make more sense for the predator to use a long range attack on him. Alright then, the Predator probably shot Billy in the dick with a spear. It's the only logical choice left.
Billy's dick is made of granite.
Quote from: Scorpio on Mar 21, 2018, 06:19:30 AM
Billy's dick is made of granite.
Then he definitely wouldn't want to fall into the water.
I don't remember seeing any frontal damage when his body is being trophied in the treetops later. I do think there were streams of blood on his head and face though, so it was either a head wound or I'm guessing he was killed from behind. Which would make sense given the fact that there was so little time between Billy dying and Dutch getting attacked. I think the predator just plowed through him, either flanking him, or firing backwards as he made his way through the trees towards Dutch.
Everything changed after the trap. Mac and Poncho were just straight-up blasted away. Dillon's death was kind of stylish, but rather quick. I think the predator was just wiping them all out as quickly as he could at that point. Billy was probably handled like that scene from raiders of the lost ark, where the guy with the sword does his big demo in preparation for the fight, and Indy just shoots him and instantly moves on.
The question that arises then, is whether or not it was anger that made him just start wiping them out? or did he begin to see them as a legitimate threat because they successfully lured him into a trap?
Probably angry because he fell for the trap, he sounded pretty distressed in the net.
Quote from: PredBabe on Mar 23, 2018, 01:19:51 PM
Probably angry because he fell for the trap, he sounded pretty distressed in the net.
You mean because of the noises we heard when the trap's net was coming up ? Those high pitched noises, i thought they were the sound of the ropes rubbing against the trees while coming up.
Sh
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 23, 2018, 03:02:37 PM
Quote from: PredBabe on Mar 23, 2018, 01:19:51 PM
Probably angry because he fell for the trap, he sounded pretty distressed in the net.
You mean because of the noises we heard when the trap's net was coming up ? Those high pitched noises, i thought they were the sound of the ropes rubbing against the trees while coming up.
Shoot you right. I had to listen to it again. Always thought he was making a weird noise. lol
Edit:
I still think he really wanted to get Dutch at that point and was just plowing through the rest of them. Anytime knows Dutch is leading the pack and saw more of a challenge in him.
Well shit, if you think about it the only reason the Predator let up after Blain was because Mac shot him in the leg. There was no reason to believe that the Predator wasn't going to kill them all right there and now. Of course after taking care of his leg, which had to have slowed him down, the Predator came in and got Blain's body and then the next meet up he takes out Mac, Dillon, Billy and Poncho. He straight up takes out Poncho over Dutch for reason of his own before losing Dutch's trail. However I don't think he had much respect for Dutch until he realized that Dutch was hunting his ass. So if he caught up to Dutch after killing Poncho he'd probably have killed Dutch on the spot.
He probably knew Poncho was injured and no threat at that point and killed him quickly. He actually could have taken both Poncho and Dutch out with one shot if he wanted. Anytime also could have shot Dutch's arm off, like Dillon, but doesn't. Rather than shoot him quickly I think he was looking for a more personal kill with Dutch, similar to how Dillon's death played out, but then he lost track of him. But yeah, he doesn't show much respect for Dutch until after he pins him and decides to remove the mask.
Yes the predator clearly choose to kill Poncho first. However take out the injury Mac inflicted and the Predator would have killed the entire team one right after the other. The movie had the characters verbally suggest all of the hunting allegories but the only thing that stopped him from straight up slaughtering the team was his injury and then the mud that hid Dutch's hit signature. Then to set up the climax the predator decided to go one on one. It didn't seem like respect, it was more like let's have some fun before I catch the next train home.
I don't think the Predator ever respected him. When he noticed the sharp sticks he had sheer disgust on his face that he almost stepped into another trap. Of course after the dead weight fell on top his head he blew himself up laughing his ass off as if it was just one of those days. :P
^ LMFAO "Just one of those days" :laugh:
Also, billy screamed because
Spoiler
the predator told him Bishop 2 was an android ;D 8)
Quote from: blood. on Mar 24, 2018, 08:45:27 AM
^ LMFAO "Just one of those days" :laugh:
Also, billy screamed because
Spoiler
the predator told him Bishop 2 was an android ;D 8)
And we now have definitive proof!
Lol
Idk, he seemed to like picking them off one by one in the beginning. But yes, crap got real after he was shot and then fell for the trap that Dutch lured him into.
I still think he wanted a more personal kill against Dutch because he could have easily blown Dutch's arm off or even just aimed for his head in the scene following Billy's death but again he loses him at the waterfall.
Anytime was arrogant but I think he knew that Dutch was a worthy opponent. Rather than quickly finishing Dutch off he decides to level the playing field. Even when he removes his mask and weapons he does it in such a 'thoughtful' way and makes sure that Dutch sees what he is doing. But yes he looked rather disgusted when he saw the trap Dutch had set- I always love when he flicks the leaves. ;D
Yes it is those little things that really sell the Predator. If you're going to give it a face you might as well use it. Also as others pointed out the sound effects and engineering are excellent. It really gives the Predator life.
Still taking out the wound and mud the Predator essentially slaughters Dutch's team one after the other before deciding to do a little rope-a-dope with Dutch. Perhaps it is arrogance. He took out two special forces teams while only suffering one wound that we are shown. He did it easily as well. Perhaps he was just trying to up the challenge but pick the wrong mutherf**cker to test that theory out. :P
This is why the original predator will always be the best in my eyes.
The predator is so far superior to humans that literally the best of the best barely survives by the skin of his teeth with pure luck on more then one occasion. Every other movie has betrayed that vision of superiority except maybe AVP:R but damn that movie is terrible!
I'm not so sure his final fight with Dutch had anything to do with respect. Keep in mind that Dutch had just fooled him again, and successfully attacked him. An attack that not only damaged his equipment, but no doubt his pride. I think he definitely would've wasted Dutch on the spot if he'd caught him before the waterfall.
Thinking back, he sure did use that cannon alot. From the "firefight" description given by Billy, it sounds like Hopper's team believed they were under enemy fire. He also killed Mac, Poncho and Blane with it. He blew off Dillons arm and shot Dutch with it. Then he started blasting everything near the end. Then he just takes it off. I get the impression that his fight with Dutch had nothing to do with respect, it had become personal. He just wanted to make it slow and painful instead. It was an "I'm gonna whup your @ss boy" moment.
remember the deleted scene when the predator was playing with dutch.. we don't know how many times the predator could have had a shot on dutch but just shot at him to scare him into moving...
eg, when dutch fell out of the tree I'm pretty sure the predator could have just shot him at that point but instead was shooting his feet to make him dance!
or when the predator uses it's own blood to lure dutch into the narrow crevice it could have taken him out then too, or when he tries to swing off the branch and the predator shoots it so he falls in the water... whether or not it respects him it's definitely toying with it's food
I agree with both of you, it's really nothing more than a personal vendetta toward Dutch than anything to do with honor or respect. He does seem to love the skulls he's collected though. I'm starting to wonder if the Predator was just a kid to be honest.
I've never brought into the Predators exhibiting honor before it became a thing in the EU. It seemed to be nothing more than about the kill or the thrill. Dutch had shown he was a challenge, the Predator was going to savour killing that elusive prey.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 27, 2018, 07:47:54 AM
I agree with both of you, it's really nothing more than a personal vendetta toward Dutch than anything to do with honor or respect. He does seem to love the skulls he's collected though. I'm starting to wonder if the Predator was just a kid to be honest.
BAH!! I hated the attitude Paul Anderson expressed towards the predators by saying the ones in Predator 1 and 2 were juveniles playing around hunting humans and that predator initiation is to go on the hunt for aliens. Makes Lord Arnold look bad that he was beat up by a kid :laugh:
I know City Hunter was portrayed as being younger and less experienced than the original Predator so I can sort of buy into him being younger than AvP's Predators but not the original. I just put his lack of blooding mark simply down to different clans having different rituals and etc.
Backed up by the Elder in P2 not having a scar.
That AVP stuff belongs to it's own universe. Hence why we have a separate Predator forum, right.
Perhaps 'respect' isn't the best word but I think it's evident the Predator sees Dutch as a worthy opponent especially after he turns the tables. With that perspective you have to think that there is some admiration there even if his ego was hurt. But yeah I can also see the Predator removing his weapons and mask to be interpreted in a way that says "I don't need this shit to kick your ass". The Predator repeating the question "what the hell are you" back to Dutch is probably the best 'compliment' he could muster up though.
I think Predator 2 kind of contradicts the Alien/Predator universe being completely separate... even though the Alien prequels now contradict Predator 2. I know it was just supposed to be good fun featuring the Alien skull but it is a really fun concept to think about and I think it could make for a great story if executed well.
The original film leaves it open to interpretation as to whether or not the Predators have any sort of "honour" code, since all we really get along those lines is Dutch saying it didn't kill Anna because it was "no sport." You could take that as either being part of a code of conduct or that it simply wouldn't have been as much fun for him. It's Predator 2 that clearly establishes they have a hunter's code and a sense of honour, or at the very least, respect.
And I know it seems to vary by person, but I always considered Jungle Hunter to be younger than City Hunter. Jungle Hunter uses a far smaller variety of weapons and mostly kills from long range with a plasma caster while cloaked up in the trees. And let's be honest, most people here would be able to take out half of Dutch's team with that sort of advantage. :laugh: The City Hunter meanwhile shows mastery of a far wider variety of weapons, takes on far more opponents throughout the course of the film and often goes hand-to-hand with multiple enemies at once. That to me implies a greater level of skill than Jungle Hunter (though you could simply attribute much of that to him having far more people to kill than Jungle Hunter did, with Jungle Hunter thus not wanting to end his hunt in one go by taking them all out at once).
Of course some people interpret his willingness to jump into a big group of people and start chopping them up as a sign of brashness/youthful enthusiasm, which is certainly a valid interpretation too. I've just always thought of it the other way.
Also just visually though Jungle Hunter's smoother, lighter skin tone just seems "younger" to me than City Hunter's darker, more patterned skin. Plus City Hunter has the extra little tusks and harder-looking "spikes" around his forehead, which are traits that have sort of become trademarks of older/Elder Predators.
Sorry Stephen Hopkins, I know you said he's younger, but City Hunter will always be older to me, dammit! :laugh:
I just thought of some irony here. If Dillon had just waited a day the Predator would have taken out his Russian weapons dealer for him. :P
All of this is totally off topic but I am curious as to what was Anytime's reason for not targeting Anna. Now hear me out, what if the Predator killed Dutch's team because he thought they kidnapped her? It was all just a massive misunderstanding. He's just there for some sight seeing and along comes Hoppers team killing the weak locals. So he does what any red blooded American would have done and dealt some freedom. Now Dutch's team comes in and slaughters those weaklings as well and takes their daughter in rope handcuffs. Of course after killing Hawkins Anna is too scared to run off and then Anytime thinks to himself "man what did they do to her" he then decides to take them out. Anytime isn't a professional killer, just a space tourist with the full power of another worlds version of the second amendment. Although in all truth this would lead to the conclusion that Billy most definitely was stabbed in the dick.
However seriously, "no sport" can mean many things. A game hunter will kill things that are of no sport for practice but a poacher is less likely to because it would be a waste of time to deal with things that won't make you money.
Clearly Predators are sexist and think less of women. Dammit if I want my spine ripped out then he better do it because equal rightz!
Ahem... On a more serious note I think if she actually got to aim the gun at Anytime then she likely would have been game.
To kind of go back to the main topic of the thread, I don't think Billy truly believed that he was going to survive that fight as it was his last ditch effort to stall him and Anytime wasn't falling for it.
It's clear he used the most dreaded and deadly weapon in his arsenal to take out Billy: the banana skin. Just threw it right at his feet as he stood on that log and whoops! It's a long way down.
Billy was making a very wise combat decision when he decide to make it a knife fight on a tree log. He was taking advantage of his abilities and controlling the conditions of the fight. He did have to make a big assumption though, that the predator would take the bait and face him on the log knife to knife. Of course we don't know how it transpired except that Billy lost.
I still think the Predator clobbered Billy over the head though. When the predator drops billy on the log there isn't any obvious frontal trauma. The blood is either from a hit to the head or from cutting him down the back to rip out his skull and spine.
Because Billy seemed to be looking upwards at the trees in the final shot of him I always envisioned the predator taking out Billy with a diving lunge wristblades first wolverine style
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgames.mattsarrel.com%2Fgames%2FWolverineReviewScreenshot1X360.jpg&hash=0819a2ab6bc0f037ad2e21b307e2a3f2c94659a8)
Come on we all know the predator stabbed billy in the dick because he knew about his porn career, and being a very conservative alien, he thought it was a perfect ending for him ;D
The timing is the thing. When Billy let out his death scream, it wasn't but a few seconds later that Dutch came under fire. That's some serious ground to cover, even using trees. I'm wondering now if Billy was netted, and either fell off the log and drowned, or died from a head injury he received in the water or upon landing. Of course it wouldn't be the sharp net. But if it was a capture net, Billy would spend at least a few seconds confused and trying to free himself, which could account for how quickly the predator reached Dutch before the scream. By the time he's about to kill poncho, Billy is screaming as he falls off the log to drown or be dashed to death.
So the predator just ran Billy right off of the road? err log. That would be anticlimactic. However maybe the predator had some sort of oil like weapon that made the log slippery and Billy slipped and landed squarely on his dick. A quick kick and Billy goes over the side and the Predator rushes after the rest of the gang.
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/SQn1d84J4Svvi/giphy.gif)
Yep the predator did a drive by shooting and used mimicry to make them think he only just died when in reality the predator busted a cap in his a$$ long ago.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 29, 2018, 04:01:00 AM
So the predator just ran Billy right off of the road? err log. That would be anticlimactic. However maybe the predator had some sort of oil like weapon that made the log slippery and Billy slipped and landed squarely on his dick. A quick kick and Billy goes over the side and the Predator rushes after the rest of the gang.
Haha! The scream would've had a much higher pitch to it. He may have been sliced and knocked off. The net thing though, was the crapiest way to go I could think of. It would've been funny honestly. Poor Billy, getting all riled for the fight, and the predator just blasts him with the net and moves on. Should've just tried the universal greeting. ;D I hope there was a rubber ducky down there.
If they didn't add in that scene where the Predator rips out Billy's spine we could have assumed that perhaps the Predator just tied Billy's shoelaces around the log and left him there. Right after punching him in the dick.
Broke dick'him
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 30, 2018, 03:15:40 AM
If they didn't add in that scene where the Predator rips out Billy's spine we could have assumed that perhaps the Predator just tied Billy's shoelaces around the log and left him there. Right after punching him in the dick.
Well that definitely explains why Billy couldn't find "a single track" of Hoppers boys.
The punk got what he deserved.
Now, now, let's leave reality out of our entertainment.
We're all gonna die.
Turn around.
Anytime.
I ain't got time to bleed.
You got time to duck?
Stick around.
Broke Dick dog.
Lol
Yea that's more like it.
Now get to DA CHOPPA!!!
You're one ugly Mu/TH/er FakA!
My men ah not expandable, and we don't doo dis kind of veerk.
Where deh hell is his body?
This cahbinet minista...does he always travel on da wrong side of da bwoorda?
Dillon!....you sunofabich!
We maek a stand naow or deah will be nobody lefftuh gotodachoppah