I unabashedly love Colonial Marines. I thought it was fun, action packed FPS from start to finish. As someone who doesn't give two flips about storyline when I'm playing an FPS I found it much more fun to play than Isolation which was incredibly slow and basically playing an interactive movie.
Me too. I havent had so much fun in a fps in a long time. The only fps i felt are as good as it oeverall are, avp2 + dlc, and halo 3-5 (5s pvp only).
I made a topic about killstreak i had when i was playing as a ranger with acid spary. 9 kills in one life XD
It bothers me the hate this game gets. People complain about all the humans you fight, problem is is been this way in avp games for years and no-one complained about fighting humans. Noone complained that you fight androids and rogue humans more than the alien in Isolation.
I know! At least you get to fight...LOL Unloke AI where you just hide and the game hopes you're terrified (I wasn't.). I can't be scared of a Xeno after 28 years of fandom. I'm numb to their "scary" factor.
This thread is a testament to the old saying "one man's trash is another man's treasure."
Or even different strokes for different folks.
I think ACM more than deserves some praise considering how hated and trashed it is by almost everybody.
I think a lot of the hatred stems, not wholly from the game itself, but from Randy Pitchford and the many lies leading up to the game's release.
Quote from: Xenofitch06 on Jun 12, 2016, 04:41:44 AM
I think ACM more than deserves some praise considering how hated and trashed it is by almost everybody.
Therein lies the problem. GBX did deliver a sub-par game. For up to 6 years many of us were expecting something a lot better than what was eventually on shelves. Pitchford took every opportunity to hype up this game and declare how dedicated he and his team were to the Project. None of that enthusiasm is present in the final product.
It's not just a few people that were disappointed by the end product. The overwhelming majority of Players canned it. Of course, being badged with 'ALIENS' themes, characters and situations is enough to keep some Players appeased. Good for you! You got a game you are happy with. The rest of us, however, who spend 6 years listening to Pitchford spin his fable were sorely disappointed upon the game's release.
It's not enough for a game to wear all the badges and trappings of its source material. It's got to deliver in other areas as well. 'A:CM's gameplay is no more sophisticated than 'Serious Sam'. For the most basic kind of FPS experience that 'Serious Sam' delivers, it's a better game than 'A:CM'.
If you enjoy the game, then that's a good thing. Somebody gets their enjoyment out of the title. Great! I'm happy for you but hHow much better could the experience for you be if the game was actually decent and praised by everyone else who bought it instead of just the relatively small number of follows that it actually has?
Pitchford still has a lot to answer for in the eyes of many fans. 'A:CM' could have been an absolutely Grand title. Instead it's a mess. It's exactly the kind of mess we don't need. We need more successful titles like 'ALIEN: Isolation'. No game is going to appease everyone but in achieving its goals 'A:I' was a much better gaming experience - and this is agreed on by most people who picked it up.
In the end, they are both very different games and will attract different players. As to which one is good and which one is not - that's a matter of personal preference.
-Windebieste.
What exactly did you want from ACM then? I don't get it. You clearly didn't want an action-oriented FPS. Did everyone want an RPG or something? Some cannon-heavy story-driven epic?
All the ingredients are present but the cake was badly cooked.
Here, Angry Joe pretty much sums up the whole experience for me and where the game's extensive weaknesses lie.
If the game had embraced what Pitchford had countless times led us to believe, there'd be no problem. Unfortuntately, that's not how it worked out.
-Windebieste.
I would have preferred a tactical shooter than another FPS. After a while, shooting at aliens becomes boring. In the movie, the marines were constantly retreating and using tactics like sealing doors to survive, anyway. The game has a few of these moments but not enough. If it were more of that, and less run and gun, I would have liked it more.
Perhaps more like Alien Isolation, except less on the stealth aspects.
Honestly I don't understand the ridiculous amount of praise Isolation receives. It bored me to tears and the only thing that kept me from quitting eventually was the thought "well I've made it this far, may as well finish.".
I'm much more impressed by shooting at various types of Xenomorphs and having bosses etc. Something beyond the same shitty drone we see time after time.
Quote from: Xenofitch06 on Jun 12, 2016, 07:01:21 AM
Honestly I don't understand the ridiculous amount of praise Isolation receives. It bored me to tears and the only thing that kept me from quitting eventually was the thought "well I've made it this far, may as well finish.".
I'm much more impressed by shooting at various types of Xenomorphs and having bosses etc. Something beyond the same shitty drone we see time after time.
Because having an enemy you can't kill makes it more challenging. The aliens in A:CM are just a random annoyance as you go from point A to point B.
But you would be able to kill it. They're not that strong, as shown several times in the movies. No more than a normal human. So not being able to fight against it is just an annoying and unrealistic game choice.
Quote from: Xenofitch06 on Jun 12, 2016, 07:23:17 AM
So not being able to fight against it is just an annoying and unrealistic game choice.
That's a bit silly.
Isolation is intended to be survival-horror, not a shmup like
A:CM - completely different genres. The survival-horror aspect is more faithful to the original film and suits the game likewise. Whether you like it or not is personal preference.
Isolation, however,
does suffer from being way too padded out, to the point where it is very exhausting. It would be a more effective game, and overall better for the story, if it was reduced to a five or six hour game. Also, the Alien is a bit too much like a dinosaur to be properly scary.
Take isolation out of the equation, Aliens:CM is the worst fps I've played in recent memory. Just comparing it to other shooters alone.
I'm all for the idea of the game, but it was all done so poorly... gameplay through graphics it was all below average. The story is so bad Fox doesn't even consider it canon anymore. I would still love to get a great Aliens: Colonial Marines game, I've been waiting since the original ps2 game (that was canceled and never released.)
To each their own though, I know there has been games that I loved and everyone else seemed to hate.
Quote from: Xenofitch06 on Jun 12, 2016, 02:57:10 AM
I know! At least you get to fight...LOL Unloke AI where you just hide and the game hopes you're terrified (I wasn't.). I can't be scared of a Xeno after 28 years of fandom. I'm numb to their "scary" factor.
I hate that its easy to hide from the alien, even on nightmare mode, which was the first mode i ever played it on, including with the kinect features all active. I was kinda screwed since people were playing heavy metal by me, but i still made it through lol
Quote from: windebieste on Jun 12, 2016, 05:53:32 AM
Quote from: Xenofitch06 on Jun 12, 2016, 04:41:44 AM
I think ACM more than deserves some praise considering how hated and trashed it is by almost everybody.
Therein lies the problem. GBX did deliver a sub-par game. For up to 6 years many of us were expecting something a lot better than what was eventually on shelves. Pitchford took every opportunity to hype up this game and declare how dedicated he and his team were to the Project. None of that enthusiasm is present in the final product.
It's not just a few people that were disappointed by the end product. The overwhelming majority of Players canned it. Of course, being badged with 'ALIENS' themes, characters and situations is enough to keep some Players appeased. Good for you! You got a game you are happy with. The rest of us, however, who spend 6 years listening to Pitchford spin his fable were sorely disappointed upon the game's release.
It's not enough for a game to wear all the badges and trappings of its source material. It's got to deliver in other areas as well. 'A:CM's gameplay is no more sophisticated than 'Serious Sam'. For the most basic kind of FPS experience that 'Serious Sam' delivers, it's a better game than 'A:CM'.
I dont think it was subpar, i honestly don't know what happened but my copy of ACM worked fine, the enemies were a nightmare and were smart. I died so many times its not funny. I feel they made a great story especially taking into consideration Aliens:Infestation, which takes place hours - days before ACM, and ACM:SI. I loved their attention to detail and refrences to other aliens stories. I am pretty sure Keys was an infectoid, hence why he did what he did with the hand grenade, they had the pulse rifles used in AvP:Extinction, they also refrence the aliens fast adaptable capabilities from said game & aliens: once in a life time. I also believe that the Raven was ether an alien created only using mutagenic fluids via exterior contamination OR it was a Pred Alien. If you look at one of the pallets behind it, in the room it glues you in, youll see a big collection of Marine helemets, maybe even skulls. Etherway the Raven was taking trophies.
Although alot of people didnt like acm, i dont think it was the majority, most the peoe that like it, or anything that tbey like that alot of people dont, just keep quiet to avoid being attacked. Just on this website i was let known i should kill myself and a more zealous member followed me into every topic i was in just to let me know how stupid i am, and or other members. Last i saw them they were fighting with a mod that told them to stop attacking me.
Financial wise acm is more successful than isolation. This is one reason why i dont think tbe majority hates it, or at least gamers. I think something went wrong in the disc production process which is why some people got lame gameplay. I didnt have that problem, i was torn to pieces often on hardest setting. The only thing i suppose i could wish for is if the evolved aliens had been fightable in storymode.
Quote from: Xenofitch06 on Jun 12, 2016, 07:23:17 AM
But you would be able to kill it. They're not that strong, as shown several times in the movies. No more than a normal human. So not being able to fight against it is just an annoying and unrealistic game choice.
They are actually really strong, isolation compliments acm well in tbat it gives a good idea howmuch more deadly the weapons used by tbe militaries are as opposed to civilian weapons. .357 magnums are really powerful, yet they cant kill the alien. Anytime you have seen an m16 take down an alien has been when it used a good portion of its clip, the variation of m16 we use now, which was in avp:r is real powerful compared to its first incarnation. In all the lore we see aliens adapt for real heavy combat, including ACM. When they get serious alot of people seriously die :)
Something cool you might not know is that the window the alien easily punches out in "Aliens" is armored quartz. Fused quartz is really strong it can withstand 160,000 pounds per square inch of pressure pressed on it. In real life we only have on type of steel that can do withstand better.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 12, 2016, 03:20:04 PM
Take isolation out of the equation, Aliens:CM is the worst fps I've played in recent memory. Just comparing it to other shooters alone.
I'm all for the idea of the game, but it was all done so poorly... gameplay through graphics it was all below average. The story is so bad Fox doesn't even consider it canon anymore. I would still love to get a great Aliens: Colonial Marines game, I've been waiting since the original ps2 game (that was canceled and never released.)
To each their own though, I know there has been games that I loved and everyone else seemed to hate.
Personally i feel isolation would had been better if it hadn't been an alien game. I think its creepy enough being in deep space on a abandoned space station run by a coocoo computer that could kill you at anytime via droid legion.
Honestly where is everyone getting this information that ACM isnt canon? Best answer i get is an inside source, but from what i have seen its not being made non-canon since a novel being written based of the avp tabletop war, and its supposed to explain how Crushers came too LV-426.
As someone who has adored DOOM since 1994, I can safely say I'm more than fine playing FPS without some drawn out, interrupting story mode.
Quote from: Darth Rinzler on Jun 12, 2016, 05:01:22 PMFinancial wise acm is more successful than isolation. This is one reason why i dont think tbe majority hates it, or at least gamers.
'A:CM' was a super hyped up title. It was supposed to be a dream game come true for fans. The truth is, it was sold on hype. A publisher's embargo prevented reviews appearing prior to release. So everyone purchased it on faith that Pitchford was delivering something great! Something that all fans could lovingly embrace. The game sold a substantial amount of its copies on pre-order.
But no... when the game hit the deck, it was garbage. It scored a lowly 45 (average across all platforms) on Metacritic. Most fans hate it and disown it. Even Fox are stepping clear of the game and are only an official statement away from denouncing it as non-canon.*
As a follow up title, of course 'ALIEN: Isolation' sales were down. We were all very concerned this new Creative Assembly game would also suck.
A lot of people got burned by 'A:CM' so the pre-orders were low. We waited until the game was released and what a joy it was! To finally be able to play a game that was in the spirit of the original movie! What an excellent (if slightly flawed) and refreshing title it was.
'A:I' scored an average of 80 on Metacritic. You can't claim the discrepancy in scores for both games on just sales numbers alone. If 'A:I' had been released first, it's sales would have doubled; but having been released on the tail of the mess that is 'A:CM' then people waited. Of course sales were low. People were very cautious about 'A:I' - and rightfully so.
'A:CM' should have been a great game. Sure, it's complete. Sure, it works. But beyond a heavy coating of 'ALIENS' themes, it has nothing to offer that you can't find done anywhere else; and done infinitely better. Like in the original 'Doom'.
I'm glad that some people like it. More power to you. I'm not passing that kind of judgment. On the other hand, don't expect me to swallow any bullshit that 'A:CM' is any good on sales figures alone. After all, McDonald's is shit, too - and it sells. If you like it, fine. Just don't think you can get away with telling anyone it's any good; because it isn't. Just like 'A:CM', McDonalds is well marketed junk and just because it's popular doesn't make it any good.
-Windebieste.
*If Fox openly denounces 'A:CM', then they could do so with a new movie. Get Blomkamp to make it. He's in a great position to remake 'ALIENS: Colonial Marines'. After all, he wants to make a movie laden with themes from 'ALIENS'. He should be working to retcon 'A:CM' instead of 'ALIEN 3'. I'd be all over that with support. No. I don't want the narrative to wait 30 years just so Rippers and Co. can clamber on board with a shoe horned story. An immediate follow up to expand upon the post LV-426 investigation is what's needed; 17 days after the failed marine mission is when a fresh 'ALIENS 2' should take place. After all, an entire colony and a conestoga class ship with all on board has been lost.
What happens next is a story that begs to be told. 'A:CM' was on the right path - unfortunately it led us down the garden path straight to a vertical precipice.
Quote from: Xenofitch06 on Jun 12, 2016, 08:12:29 PM
As someone who has adored DOOM since 1994, I can safely say I'm more than fine playing FPS without some drawn out, interrupting story mode.
Which version of classic doom do you like? Silent Doom looks good. Its on the 32x i think.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 12, 2016, 06:50:36 AM
I would have preferred a tactical shooter than another FPS. After a while, shooting at aliens becomes boring. In the movie, the marines were constantly retreating and using tactics like sealing doors to survive, anyway. The game has a few of these moments but not enough. If it were more of that, and less run and gun, I would have liked it more.
Perhaps more like Alien Isolation, except less on the stealth aspects.
AVP Isolation
Quote from: windebieste on Jun 12, 2016, 11:06:21 PM
Quote from: Darth Rinzler on Jun 12, 2016, 05:01:22 PMFinancial wise acm is more successful than isolation. This is one reason why i dont think tbe majority hates it, or at least gamers.
'A:CM' was a super hyped up title. It was supposed to be a dream game come true for fans. The truth is, it was sold on hype. A publisher's embargo prevented reviews appearing prior to release. So everyone purchased it on faith that Pitchford was delivering something great! Something that all fans could lovingly embrace. The game sold a substantial amount of its copies on pre-order.
But no... when the game hit the deck, it was garbage. It scored a lowly 45 (average across all platforms) on Metacritic. Most fans hate it and disown it. Even Fox are stepping clear of the game and are only an official statement away from denouncing it as non-canon.*
As a follow up title, of course 'ALIEN: Isolation' sales were down. We were all very concerned this new Creative Assembly game would also suck. A lot of people got burned by 'A:CM' so the pre-orders were low. We waited until the game was released and what a joy it was! To finally be able to play a game that was in the spirit of the original movie! What an excellent (if slightly flawed) and refreshing title it was.
'A:I' scored an average of 80 on Metacritic. You can't claim the discrepancy in scores for both games on just sales numbers alone. If 'A:I' had been released first, it's sales would have doubled; but having been released on the tail of the mess that is 'A:CM' then people waited. Of course sales were low. People were very cautious about 'A:I' - and rightfully so.
'A:CM' should have been a great game. Sure, it's complete. Sure, it works. But beyond a heavy coating of 'ALIENS' themes, it has nothing to offer that you can't find done anywhere else; and done infinitely better. Like in the original 'Doom'.
I'm glad that some people like it. More power to you. I'm not passing that kind of judgment. On the other hand, don't expect me to swallow any bullshit that 'A:CM' is any good on sales figures alone. After all, McDonald's is shit, too - and it sells. If you like it, fine. Just don't think you can get away with telling anyone it's any good; because it isn't. Just like 'A:CM', McDonalds is well marketed junk and just because it's popular doesn't make it any good.
-Windebieste.
*If Fox openly denounces 'A:CM', then they could do so with a new movie. Get Blomkamp to make it. He's in a great position to remake 'ALIENS: Colonial Marines'. After all, he wants to make a movie laden with themes from 'ALIENS'. He should be working to retcon 'A:CM' instead of 'ALIEN 3'. I'd be all over that with support. No. I don't want the narrative to wait 30 years just so Rippers and Co. can clamber on board with a shoe horned story. An immediate follow up to expand upon the post LV-426 investigation is what's needed; 17 days after the failed marine mission is when a fresh 'ALIENS 2' should take place. After all, an entire colony and a conestoga class ship with all on board has been lost. What happens next is a story that begs to be told. 'A:CM' was on the right path - unfortunately it led us down the garden path straight to a vertical precipice.
I wouldn't trust the professional reviewers, they gave it bad scores because they were paid to do so, to help Dead Space 3 sales i am sure. They came out the same week. Some reviewers didnt even try hard to lie about why they hated the game. One review IGN gave was that the system version was even more inferior and doesnt even have easter eggs. Thats bs because one of the achievements for it is to find an easter egg.
This was one of the causes of Gamers Gate.
I have seen that people did have tech issues with their game, i believe it was a problem caused by faulty manufacturing, theres no other reason why it would work fine for me.
See now days word of mouth is really powerful when it comes to movies and consumer goods. And despite all the hate it got, review wise, it made alot of money. If it were completely truly garbage, it shouldn't have made so much. It maybe because alot more people than just me got a functioning copy, but enough people liked it that it made alot of money continually. Isolation should have made alot because of word of mouth. Plenty of people liked it and promoted it. It have been liked more by alien fans, but gamers, it appears, werent as interested despite word of mouth. It had alot of time to catch up and beat tbe gross profit of ACM but didn't.
That being said i really really dont think it should be retconed. It added a lot of great bits of info into the lore. Like if you watch all the scripted events, youll see the aliens beat yhe snoot out of the humans. And this time yhe humans wete not holding back. Including the lore from infestation it appears there two battalions involved in the story, thats up too 1,600 Marines. All but 4 died fighting aliens and some ex-soldiers. The aliens were shrugging off twin gat pulse guns like yhey were nothing and pawing APC. They even lured a gunship close enough to attack it, take out its engines and destroy yhe whole craft. We also see a queen take two vollies of missiles directly to the side and not even break her skin.
Theseva great feats that make the aliens more threatening to tbe universe they belong in, and makes survivors more bad ass, or tragic when they do die.
I believe it would be harmful to pawn away Aliens:Infestation, ACM, ACM:SI. Hell we finally get to see wbat the coat of arms is for yhe United States Colonial NAVY. I dont want this stuff deep sixed.
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jun 13, 2016, 01:14:13 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 12, 2016, 06:50:36 AM
I would have preferred a tactical shooter than another FPS. After a while, shooting at aliens becomes boring. In the movie, the marines were constantly retreating and using tactics like sealing doors to survive, anyway. The game has a few of these moments but not enough. If it were more of that, and less run and gun, I would have liked it more.
Perhaps more like Alien Isolation, except less on the stealth aspects.
AVP Isolation
Great, now i have to hide from the predators on top the aliens, droids, scavengers, lets add Thugees from Temple of Doom too lol. Wait that makes it harder >:(
:D I acknowledge the fact that Aliens was a huge influence on the FPS genre. But the movie itself is more of a survival horror than a Rambo/Commando style action movie. Even when Ripley geared up to go in the hive she only had 99 rounds and 1 tank of flamethrower fuel. If the aliens weren't mainly preoccupied elsewhere then Ripley would have been toast.
ACM was clearly not a direct game copy of Aliens, though. It borrowed heavily, but I don't remember Spitters, Crushers and Raven Xenos in Aliens either. It is its own entity at the end of the day.
Quote from: Xenofitch06 on Jun 13, 2016, 03:47:00 AM
ACM was clearly not a direct game copy of Aliens, though. It borrowed heavily, but I don't remember Spitters, Crushers and Raven Xenos in Aliens either. It is its own entity at the end of the day.
SEGA and Fox promoted it as a canonical sequel. How much more
direct were you expecting? The only reason it's its 'own entity' now is largely because of rejection. Standing out on its own. Out there. In the cold. Exiled. Banished. The unloved bastard child of a magician turned spin doctor.
Quote from: Darth Rinzler on Jun 13, 2016, 01:17:38 AM
I wouldn't trust the professional reviewers, they gave it bad scores because they were paid to do so, to help Dead Space 3 sales i am sure. They came out the same week.
That's quite the Conspiracy Theory you got going there. I guess that makes about 100 reviewers who got paid off, then, by EA.
I guess that just leaves the User Rating score, which is even lower than the Professional Review scores. I guess they got paid off, too, right?
Look, if you like the game, that's fine by me I have no argument with your preference. At some point, though, you've got to realise most people think it's abysmal for good reason. It's a hack job sold to us as something else. I totally get that it's the most recent game featuring 'ALIENS' and I'm sorry the game turned out the way it did.
...er...
What the Hell am I doing? Apologising on Pitchford's behalf..?
F*CK THAT! Pitchford abandoned this game years ago and left us to bathe in the legacy of this pitiful quagmire. This just won't do...
As far as I am concerned, 'A:CM' should be retconned from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!
-Windebieste.
SEQUEL being the operative word here. Nobody can get upset that it isn't a perfect example of Aliens when it's not about Aliens. It sounds like the biggest issue here is a bunch of sour grapes who didn't get what they made up in their minds before the game was released. Maybe more was promised. But going back to the original statement of my thread, I personally think it was nonstop, FPS shooting fun. The added new Xeno types were great. And yes, I do consider it cannon to the universe. Fox said it was and you can't sit there and say "not anymore because it performed shitty so I doubt they consider it cannon now". They never said that and that's some folks (untrue) assumption.
It's a terrible game by any standard...
What it comes down to is that your definition of good or qaulity, is what most people would define as bad or low quality.
Quote from: windebieste on Jun 13, 2016, 04:18:37 AM
Quote from: Xenofitch06 on Jun 13, 2016, 03:47:00 AM
ACM was clearly not a direct game copy of Aliens, though. It borrowed heavily, but I don't remember Spitters, Crushers and Raven Xenos in Aliens either. It is its own entity at the end of the day.
SEGA and Fox promoted it as a canonical sequel. How much more direct were you expecting? The only reason it's its 'own entity' now is largely because of rejection. Standing out on its own. Out there. In the cold. Exiled. Banished. The unloved bastard child of a magician turned spin doctor.
Quote from: Darth Rinzler on Jun 13, 2016, 01:17:38 AM
I wouldn't trust the professional reviewers, they gave it bad scores because they were paid to do so, to help Dead Space 3 sales i am sure. They came out the same week.
That's quite the Conspiracy Theory you got going there. I guess that makes about 100 reviewers who got paid off, then, by EA.
I guess that just leaves the User Rating score, which is even lower than the Professional Review scores. I guess they got paid off, too, right?
Look, if you like the game, that's fine by me I have no argument with your preference. At some point, though, you've got to realise most people think it's abysmal for good reason. It's a hack job sold to us as something else. I totally get that it's the most recent game featuring 'ALIENS' and I'm sorry the game turned out the way it did.
...er...
What the Hell am I doing? Apologising on Pitchford's behalf..? F*CK THAT! Pitchford abandoned this game years ago and left us to bathe in the legacy of this pitiful quagmire. This just won't do...
As far as I am concerned, 'A:CM' should be retconned from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!
-Windebieste.
Well i did point out they made up reasons to give it a lower score, like not having easter eggs in the xbox and ps3 versions, which isnt true because we unlock an achievement for finding them.
I think it would be harmful to retcon it, we lose too many good things if thag happens. Besides Hicks is shown being alive in alien 5, which compliments ACM.
I finished it a couple of months ago on XBOX 360. Nice cut scenes and not bad on the fun side. Not better than Isolation but better than that turd AVP 3. (Movement on console is terrible, must be better on pc ).
None come close on replay-ability though as AVP2 on pc.
I could of forgiven A:CM for all of its shortfalls if it had a decent story, the story, characters and dialogue were just plain rubbish.
I will never buy a Gearbox product ever again.
Someone should make a video edit of Randy's interviews with Burke constantly interrupting with saying "This is so nuts. I mean, listen - listen to what you're saying. It's paranoid delusion. How - It's really sad. It's pathetic."
;D
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 13, 2016, 04:11:19 PM
Not better than Isolation but better than that turd AVP 3.
I just finished another play through of A:CM and am starting again on AVP 3. Have to disagree. I think AVP 3 is better - graphics, story, voice acting, the alien AI, the pacing... also much scarier. A very underrated game, IMO.
A:CM has its flaws but I still enjoy it for what it is. But Gearbox really should have taken notes from Rebellion.
Quote from: [BAM] Yojimbo on Jun 21, 2016, 07:18:55 AM
Someone should make a video edit of Randy's interviews with Burke constantly interrupting with saying "This is so nuts. I mean, listen - listen to what you're saying. It's paranoid delusion. How - It's really sad. It's pathetic."
;D
That sounds amazing.
That does sound hilarious. I might pay to see that parody!! Shame on Randy for lying to us fans!!
I still look at those promos and demos and wish for that game!! It looked epic and that's what we all thought we were getting an epic game.
We didn't get that.
Once I got over the devastation of ACM not being what we were promised, not looking like the demos, not having a good story, than I actually enjoyed it for what it is. A fun Aliens based FPS shooter. The good things about the game great iconic levels, great iconic weapons + new weapons that actually fit into the universe, customization & bug hunt mode borders on epic for me, wish there were more bug hunt maps!!!!!!!!
Fighting hordes/waves of aliens in Hadley's Hope is as good as it gets for me. AVP 3's bughunt/survival mode is pure rubbish in comparison. AVP 3 is a good game I just prefer being a marine in ACM than being a marine in AVP 3.
Wish ACM was better but I enjoy it. It leaves me wanting more, I hope we will get a similar (but better!) game in the future.
Quote from: Xenofitch06 on Jun 12, 2016, 04:41:44 AM
I think ACM more than deserves some praise considering how hated and trashed it is by almost everybody.
I think Bug hunt is entertaining with a buddy
I thought the multiplayer was quite fun. We had some great nights playing it with folk from the site.
Quote from: Giger Beast on Jun 24, 2016, 06:28:17 AM
Quote from: [BAM] Yojimbo on Jun 21, 2016, 07:18:55 AM
Someone should make a video edit of Randy's interviews with Burke constantly interrupting with saying "This is so nuts. I mean, listen - listen to what you're saying. It's paranoid delusion. How - It's really sad. It's pathetic."
;D
That sounds amazing.
Someone make this happen. PLEASE :D
I never finished A:CM. I managed to stomach the mediocrity until at one point when you see the Space Jockey your guy's like "oh my god" and the other dude says "that's not your god" and I just took a moment to let that line sink in. Holy shit that was bad writing. I don't know who thought that was a good line but they don't deserve the gift of life. Immediately quit the game and never looked back.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 04, 2016, 08:33:04 AM
I thought the multiplayer was quite fun. We had some great nights playing it with folk from the site.
Multiplayer (despite all the unpolished and broken shit that plagued it) was surprisingly fun, that's one thing I do miss. Maps were too open though, needed more claustrophobic environments, the Hive map from the movie map pack was the best map in the game
As someone here said, there is no problem with liking the game or enjoying it but it was definitely a broken game.
I looked forward to this game for years and like the majority of fans, I was utterly disappointed. We are not sour grapes for expecting a decent game and it didn't help that Randy hyped the game all the way to stars. The demo was actually better than the game which means there was false advertisement involved as well.
What did we expect? That is simple. A decent game with a decent story, and decent gameplay. We got none of that, the game was just full of homages and poor recreations of the colony and derelict, the game was trying to thrive on nostalgia. And there was no explanation for the new Alien castes either, these Spitters and Crushers just come out of nowhere.
Surprisingly though, I did enjoy some of the game, the Raven part was definitely only level worth playing but even that is flawed. Multiplayer is the games only saving grace and I enjoyed it to some extent.
There is basically three camps, you got the fans that love game which is in the minority, sorry but it is true. You got the fans that hate or atleast dislike it which is probably the majority, and then there is those that consider it a "so bad its good" game. I'm probably inbetween disliking it and thinking its not bad in some places.
Isolation was a brilliant game but you need to get out of the "fps shooter/action" mindset because its a survival horror and meant to be played differently, and if you don't like survival horrors then it is not going to be a surprise if you don't like it, whichof course is fine.
We all like different things and that is ok.
ACM was a sorry excuse for a game. Although I think that it certainly had its moments like in the sewers, most of the game was unpolished as hell. Shit story, graphics looking like the good ole PS2 days, and just generic combat. Combining that with the amount of promises that were made formed just a absolute shit storm over this game. The weapons that were added were nice and the multiplayer was okay, but I still prefer Rebellions AVP 2010. I also think that it was incredibly easy. Like what kind of a boss fights allows for me to not even need to fire my weapon?
When AvP2010 came out we were disappointed. AvP2010 was released as a 6/10 game. With patches the PC version might be considered a 7/10 game MAYBE 7.5/10.
A:CM was a disgusting ugly boring mess of a game. I feel sorry for those of you who defend the game because it is absolute garbage. And it is MY opinion that one's man trash is NOT another man's treasure. Giving that game the 4.5/10 or whatever that it received is being generous. The only thing holding that game together is the brand. It is not a matter of expectations being blown out of proportion. Because we had our expectations up high for AvP2010 as well...
The fuming shit that is A:CM makes AvP2010 look like Half Life 3.
The story was LESS than fan-fiction quality. Most of us could put together a better story easily.
The gameplay was simplistic and boring with dumb AI both human characters and alien characters... Nearly all the weapons handled like shit.
The game did not do justice to Xenomorphs as it treated them as dumb cannon fodder which they have time after time proved they are not.
The graphics were such garbage they appeared to be cartoon like in nature... And with no good reason, its not like the game was putting engine resources towards an new innovative awesome lighting system that was promised or towards near real-life physics, gore or destruction.
It was just garbage.
As I said... I am so sorry for those of you defending the game. Because it doesn't deserve it. Gearbox certainly doesn't deserve it. And I almost feel bad now for Sega as Gearbox used them almost as bad as they treated us. For years we fans had been placing the blame on Sega for Gearbox not giving us any news on the game and we being left in the dark. I would have rather the game just been cancelled than what we ultimately got.
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Oct 04, 2016, 02:36:22 AM
The fuming shit that is A:CM makes AvP2010 look like Half Life 3.
Perhaps you just haven't played it enough to really appreciate it.
I agree with you Local. At first I definitely wasn't feeling the game at all, but after a while it grew on me and I saw past it's flaws and enjoyed it for what it was. In the end it's closest thing we got to being in Aliens.
BTW does SEGA still have the rights?
Quote from: PHANTOM on Oct 04, 2016, 08:51:46 PM
I agree with you Local.
Bless your heart. :laugh:
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2016, 04:48:16 PM
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Oct 04, 2016, 02:36:22 AM
The fuming shit that is A:CM makes AvP2010 look like Half Life 3.
Perhaps you just haven't played it enough to really appreciate it.
One would have to be a glutton for punishment.
I picked up the Limited Edition copy for 99p recently. And I didn't have to search for long - Every second hand games outlet has at least 5 copies sitting on shelves.I ale=ready had a digital copy but didn't feel it warranted taking up so much room on my hard drive.
Aliens: Colonial Marines was a crushing disappointment. I remember when the cinematic trailer dropped:
I was completely blown away. The true-to-film visuals, the music from Moon which worked perfectly. I was thinking "Is this the game I've always dreamed of? Will it finally feel like being a Colonial Marine?" Of course, I knew not to judge it based on a pre-rendered animation. But my hopes were high.
Those hopes seemed not misplaced when they showcased in-game footage. I was extremely hyped. Although I didn't preorder. The only game I've ever preordered was Majora's Mask. I tend to go for "Hey, this game is great, you should give it a try!" from friends rather than the same message from promotional material.
The developers made such promises, reassured us that they were devout Aliens fans, going deep into the universe and tech, and would deliver as a sequel to Aliens. And then it came out, and I was really dismayed to see all the negative reviews. But I bought it anyway, thinking my love for the franchise would push past the negativity. It didn't.
People talk about No Man's Sky being such a deceptive bit of promotion but Colonial Marines was far worse. At least No Man's Sky was just stripped down. A:CM was stripped down, broken and very cheap looking. It was a disgusting middle finger to fans, promising so much just to run away with the cash. It's boring, repetitive, uninspired, glitchy, the dialogue and voice acting is woeful, the character models are sub-par, the animation clunky and the AI is outshone by a pocket calculator. I can't find anything remotely fun about firing in the general direction of a group of enemies and watching them take turns to walk into your line of fire. It feels like a mod for a game published 10 years ago.
I really think both the games and movie industry need to have some kind of governing body which regulates these things. Sure, a developer can display game footage with the disclaimer "Not final product" but you'd think that would mean 'It'll be better than this, this is just a beta build' rather than 'We haven't worked out how to properly implement this yet.' If you are having problems including a gameplay mechanic in the final version, say so while showing the prototype footage. In the case of No Man's Sky, I think it was because the lies were so definitive - Sean Murray would be asked 'Is this going to be in the game?' to which he replied with a flat-out 'yes.'
The movie industry is just as bad. Comic book movies are the worst for this. I can't think of any other genre of film where there are scenes promised in a trailer that don't appear in the final cut. The trailer for Fant4stic was a joke. Then again, so was the movie.
If you heard a song you liked, and it was advertised to be from a new album, so you buy the album and it wasn't on there, you'd ask for your money back and there would be lawsuits. I don't see why the movies and games industry should be any different.
Tl:dr - A:CM is a terrible, cheap, unfinished game and a perfect example of a cancer eating away at the video games industry. But I bought it twice and completed it twice, so I'm a hypocritical consumer whore.
Quote from: Bughunter S. Thomson on Oct 10, 2016, 05:02:36 PM
But I bought it twice and completed it twice, so I'm a hypocritical consumer whore.
Not really. You're just a fan, so regardless you have to play it. I bought it twice (PS4 and PC) and played through it multiple times. I hate the f***ing game, but I love Aliens, so what can ya do? It doesn't change the fact we were duped.
Recently started playing again. The multiplayer is good and I can still find games. The TDM can scare the shit out of you, the human element makes the experience so much better. The maps aren't half bad, and the art style of the game is decent. Half-baked, but decent. It had potential once... Oh well, as an aliens fanboy its still a good laugh once in a while.
Quote from: Hemi on Oct 14, 2016, 04:01:09 PM
Recently started playing again. The multiplayer is good and I can still find games. The TDM can scare the shit out of you, the human element makes the experience so much better. The maps aren't half bad, and the art style of the game is decent. Half-baked, but decent. It had potential once... Oh well, as an aliens fanboy its still a good laugh once in a while.
Last time I tried finding a game I got bored so I minimized it, completely forgot that it was open, came back 3 hours later and it was still looking for people
Honestly as a hardcore old school gamer and Aliens fan I find people giving this game more changes distressing.
Why?
Firstly there are so many amazing games out there, whatever genre you like there are brilliant stories and gameplay waiting. To the OP and others still playing this, tell me a genre you enjoy and what system you have I'll give you some recommendations!
Secondly this game and developer (in my humble opinion) do not deserve support from this community after the outright lies, and worse lack of any type of acknowledgement or apology.
It's the whole "But...but...Aliens..." excuse. You are right, you all are. It's shit... but it's somehow fascinating shit. Like..."what the hell did I eat yesterday!!"
Maybe it's just the dream that makes me play it. The "what if" factor. The "It could have been so much more" thing.
Bleh...Ill stop now lol.
Quote from: Xenofitch06 on Jun 10, 2016, 06:16:30 AM
I unabashedly love Colonial Marines. I thought it was fun, action packed FPS from start to finish. As someone who doesn't give two flips about storyline when I'm playing an FPS I found it much more fun to play than Isolation which was incredibly slow and basically playing an interactive movie.
I hope you're right, because this week I'm going to see if I find it and play it with a friend in split screen. It's time to get out of doubt.
Now, you may all think I came in a Delorean from the past, but Im not and never was a gamer, I dont recall ever playing a game aside from first Doom maybe during class and trying two games for few minutes in friends' houses. So, my question is, what is about this game that people hate so much and sued for? Aside from the clunky storyline
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 03, 2017, 03:10:03 AM
Now, you may all think I came in a Delorean from the past, but Im not and never was a gamer, I dont recall ever playing a game aside from first Doom maybe during class and trying two games for few minutes in friends' houses. So, my question is, what is about this game that people hate so much and sued for? Aside from the clunky storyline
The AI is beyond abysmal, from aliens using marine behavior by taking cover to mandatory sidekick characters never moving out of your way making progress literally impossible because you can't kill them and they won't let you open a game-critical door to advance. There is nothing unique about the feel of the game; it feels like a dime-a-dozen CoD rip-off. The storyline is not only predictable but it ret-cons a
major plot point in
Aliens. The characters and their dialogue are so bad that it just insults the movie. The look is incredibly bland. The cutscenes are ugly. I found the HUD display and the models to be mostly lackluster. It looks and feels nothing like how the demo was displayed; it shipped like a horrible, stripped-down version of that demo. Also, the matchmaking system is completely, 100% broken and has been broken from the beginning. The only way to get a game is to add people and organize a game outside the game before-hand.
This video is probably a better display of how horrendous this game is than any actual review:
Quote from: Olde on Feb 03, 2017, 06:30:38 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 03, 2017, 03:10:03 AM
Now, you may all think I came in a Delorean from the past, but Im not and never was a gamer, I dont recall ever playing a game aside from first Doom maybe during class and trying two games for few minutes in friends' houses. So, my question is, what is about this game that people hate so much and sued for? Aside from the clunky storyline
The AI is beyond abysmal, from aliens using marine behavior by taking cover to mandatory sidekick characters never moving out of your way making progress literally impossible because you can't kill them and they won't let you open a game-critical door to advance. There is nothing unique about the feel of the game; it feels like a dime-a-dozen CoD rip-off. The storyline is not only predictable but it ret-cons a major plot point in Aliens. The characters and their dialogue are so bad that it just insults the movie. The look is incredibly bland. The cutscenes are ugly. I found the HUD display and the models to be mostly lackluster. It looks and feels nothing like how the demo was displayed; it shipped like a horrible, stripped-down version of that demo. Also, the matchmaking system is completely, 100% broken and has been broken from the beginning. The only way to get a game is to add people and organize a game outside the game before-hand.
This video is probably a better display of how horrendous this game is than any actual review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5WwV9YoW_U
:D That video just reminds me of how horrendous the AI are in this game...Wow Its truly sad how badly this game is broken.
I also somewhat ashamedly love this game and got tons of enjoyment out of it. I bought the collectors edition for really cheap about a year after it came out.
It defiantly has its flaws and got tons of hate for sure but it also has some things about it that are great.
- Iconic Maps/levels are great
- Great atmosphere
- Weapons/weapon customization is awesome
- Motion tracker!!
- Bug hunt mode!!!! Best 'Aliens' Experience hands down for me
I still play it from time to time, especially if a mod comes out. Looking forward to the final release of the Overhaul mod.
The "iconic" maps were poorly designed, they got it all wrong....and this is a game that was trying to use nostalgia to sell the game. ::)
This game was a disaster, a mess, a shit storm, a shower of shit... If you enjoyed it fair enough, I enjoyed it but that's only because it reminded me a little of playing FPS's on the N64 or PS 1 even. They hyped it up so much, especially with it supposedly being the 'true sequel to Aliens'... I find that a little insulting now as a hardcore fan of these movies, and a little embarrassing. This game just didn't have the love it needed from the start of production.
I picked it up last week. It's a horrible game, but it's nice to kill some time with. It's also nice for mindless entertainment. The Aliens ducking behind crates is annoying and your partner never really helping is awful.
Well its so bad that is sold real cheap in most stores...yet while that is a bargain, some folks probably still think they got ripped off :laugh:
Yeah 10 dollars at Gamestop.
$5 at some 5 Below stores here in NY.
Not the best game, but it still had its good parts, like the levels and sounds.
*sigh*
Too bad no SDK was ever released for this game.
'ALIENS' + Unreal Engine 3 + Modding...
Such a wasted opportunity right there.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: windebieste on May 15, 2017, 04:17:26 AM
*sigh*
Too bad no SDK was ever released for this game.
'ALIENS' + Unreal Engine 3 + Modding...
Such a wasted opportunity right there.
-Windebieste.
http://www.moddb.com/mods/templargfxs-acm-overhaul
This makes the game at least bearable.
False advertising aside, I thought the game was okay. It was nothing great, but my obsession with the franchise kept me entertained.
Playing the game co-op turns it from a mediocre game to a really fun game. I was just messing around in the campaign and it's honestly not that bad. When I first played it, the biggest problem were the bugs (as in errors, not aliens :P). The game itself is fine; it fits the Colonial Marines attitude, if not a bit shallow.
Quote from: Cellien on Aug 15, 2017, 02:52:48 AM
Playing the game co-op turns it from a mediocre game to a really fun game. I was just messing around in the campaign and it's honestly not that bad. When I first played it, the biggest problem were the bugs (as in errors, not aliens :P). The game itself is fine; it fits the Colonial Marines attitude, if not a bit shallow.
Agreed. Shitty games can be great when played cooperatively with friends. The game is soul-crushing when played alone, though.
Yeah, I played through it with a friend and it was probably the most hilarious gaming we've ever had. I swear, if Leslie Nielsen popped up as a cameo somewhere, it would've put the icing on the cake. :laugh:
Completely agree. I had some great co-op games on this. I still think the MP was actually pretty fun when you had a full server too.
I tried to play multi the other week and it couldn't find a single game. I heard the Bug Hunt DLC was good. Unfortunately I have the original Steam version which didn't come with the Bug Hunt DLC and now you can't buy it separately. I'd have to re-buy the full version to get it. Lame.
You can get the full lot for like £5 on the sales.
It's also fun to note that if you're at all decent at FPS's, this game is best played on the hardest difficulty mode, Ultimate Badass. Although it removes your HUD, we found it's actually a benefit rather than a hindrance because the HUD is extremely ugly. You can always aim down sights or scope in to aim perfectly if you want, and you can always see how many bullets you have for the pulse rifle because the numerical indicator is on the weapon model. It's also not much of a challenge with more than one player on even the Hardened difficulty, and Ultimate Badass enables friendly fire.
Nice. Yeah, I'm trying to get some of my friends and my wife on so we can tear shit up in co-op. Probably go for the hard settings.
Are we Steam friends? Can't remember ever playing with you in the past.
Don't think so, but I'm on the AvPGalaxy Group.
Didn't you add me the other day? I'm up for some games. RidgeTop probably would be too if the timezones aren't bad.
Yep, sure did. Someone named 'Olde' added me too, tho I realized afterwards I'm not sure who that is. :D Thought it was someone from here.
This wasn't too bad of a game. I am pretty sure people still play on PC but PS is dead as all hell for various reasons.
Quote from: Cellien on Aug 30, 2017, 08:44:07 PM
Yep, sure did. Someone named 'Olde' added me too, tho I realized afterwards I'm not sure who that is. :D Thought it was someone from here.
Nope. Nobody from here.
lol.
Are there people still playing?
You wont find a game on your own. You need to go in with a party.
I had a random joiner the other day. Extremely rare and bizarre.
People randomly join you on this regularly I thought?
The current playerbase of Aliens: Colonial Marines is about 2.
Current average is 18. Which is pretty bad. http://steamcharts.com/app/49540
AvP 2010 manages about 50 apparently. Which seems about right. There's normally about 2 servers with people in.
I enjoyed AVP 2010, although going through the same levels as different characters got old very quickly. The Alien campaign was the worst offender. It took me two hours to complete. I did not enjoy A:CM though. The graphics were mediocre, the shooting was crap, it was literally a 'bug' hunt, the buddy a.i. was horrible and half the time you weren't even shooting at aliens, but Weyland-Yutani robots. Also, the big plot twist was downright offensive and, like the egg on the ship in Alien 3, impossible.
But that voice acting, though. :laugh:
"We got...REID!"
On PS3 it is mainly the same group of regulars (maybe 15 or so) but they are hardcore as I see them any night I go on there. It is unfortunate that as far as I can tell no one plays anything other than team death match or if you are lucky co-op campaign on regular difficulty.