My Queen!!! He'll perfect her?! Whoa! They just had to use the word "queen" huh? YUM!
PLUS it's nice how -- even though they're not the most loved -- Ridley pays homage to Alien: Ressurection and AVP as much as he does. Maybe I'm reading too much into the greenhouse scene... kill me
?
Though I agree, there are pleasant nods to Resurrection in Covenant.
Read the summary of Advent. Sounds like a cool scene. Hope we get that full story of what happened on those 10 years at some point.
Advent is so great. It's exactly what I wanted from hearing the leaks a while back.
I'm super jazzed for the next one, but uh..that probably won't happen. Shame too. David's threat is awesome and I prefer that over a rehash of Cameron's film.
We'll get more. Fox still sees life in the 'ALIEN' series. After all, it survived a decade of mediocrity lashed to 'PREDATOR'.
Glad they got a divorce. lol.
Fox aren't going to let this series go easily. It's worth too much to them. Just give it time. Official announcements are much more valuable and relevant than rumors spread by industry journals with so called 'sources'.
Besides, Scott wants to make more 'ALIEN' movies - and Fox wants to as well. It's in everyone's interest. So there's no point getting down and out over what amounts to a single source rumor that won't even provide a citation beyond what effectively amounts to 'we heard whispers in the dark'. f**k that.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 02, 2017, 05:28:16 AM
We'll get more. Fox still sees life in the 'ALIEN' series. After all, it survived a decade of mediocrity lashed to 'PREDATOR'.
Glad they got a divorce. lol.
Fox aren't going to let this series go easily. It's worth too much to them. Just give it time. Official announcements are much more valuable and relevant than rumors spread by industry journals with so called 'sources'.
Besides, Scott wants to make more 'ALIEN' movies - and Fox wants to as well. It's in everyone's interest. So there's no point getting down and out over what amounts to a single source rumor that won't even provide a citation beyond what effectively amounts to 'we heard whispers in the dark'. f**k that.
-Windebieste.
Fassbender seems to be a total admirer of Scott too and it seemed that he really enjoyed making both films and his status as a vehicle for ALIEN.
I'll take a live webcam series of David just being David at this point.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 02, 2017, 01:55:49 AM
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Though I agree, there are pleasant nods to Resurrection in Covenant.
Read the summary of Advent. Sounds like a cool scene. Hope we get that full story of what happened on those 10 years at some point.
Where is everyone reading about these?
so, is it anywhere to watch?
Buy the digital version on ITunes for 20 bucks.
Or wait 15 days?
Here's a summary. Can't speak for if it's accurate, but if it is, there's some interesting stuff:
https://youtu.be/9kN-IyrGsw4 (https://youtu.be/9kN-IyrGsw4)
Still haven't seen it, but the line about the Engineers "casting out the wolves" will no doubt be point of interesting debate. I've seen some comments saying that confirms the "two-factions"' idea and others saying the wolves are the xenos, and that the line confirms the Engineers made them.
Quote from: CelticP on Aug 02, 2017, 03:40:26 PM
Buy the digital version on ITunes for 20 bucks.
Or wait 15 days?
15 days? Don't want to rain on your parade but he's not gonna last 15 hours...his excitement and curiosity are gonna burn him up from within and he's gonna he's gonna he's gonna FLIP OUT!
Preview via Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/alienanthology/videos/10155434344271605/ (https://www.facebook.com/alienanthology/videos/10155434344271605/)
Since this is meant to parallel Paradise Lost, I think the "wolves" are Engineer outcasts like the fallen angels and Lucifer, not the xenomorphs.
Edit: I'm less sure after hearing David say he's "found his wolf" while looking at a xeno egg.
Yeah, that seems rather definitive. Lends some weight to the comics where the Engineers are wiping out the Aliens and Chris says " I don't think you were even meant to be."
Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 02, 2017, 06:38:10 PM
Yeah, that seems rather definitive. Lends some weight to the comics where the Engineers are wiping out the Aliens and Chris says " I don't think you were even meant to be."
Who is Chris? Oram?
No, Chris from the Fire and Stone and Life and Death comics.
Yes, Oram's first name is Chris.
Quote from: TWJones on Aug 02, 2017, 08:08:38 PM
Yes, Oram's first name is Chris.
True but that's not the Chris Ultra was talking about. :)
Bought the movie on digital, and just watched Advent. It definitely opens up ambiguity as to whether or not David or the Engineers made the xenos. It seems almost like the black goo creates but also gives rise to xenomorph-like monsters which the Engineers tried to stamp out.
There's a reference to a barbaric religious ceremony, but is when the transmission is becoming garbled, so it's open to debate as well, though it does come up when sketches of Shaw with a weird flower facehugger on her head.
I'll have to watch it again.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 02, 2017, 08:50:20 PM
Quote from: TWJones on Aug 02, 2017, 08:08:38 PM
Yes, Oram's first name is Chris.
True but that's not the Chris Ultra was talking about. :)
Roger that, should probably read the whole thread before responding. ;D
Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 02, 2017, 10:00:37 PM
It seems almost like the black goo creates but also gives rise to xenomorph-like monsters which the Engineers tried to stamp out.
We sort of already know that's what it does.
I welcome any scene that throws more ambiguity on the most ambiguous movies in history.
Interesting how David describes it as a "rotting paradise," and that the Engineers were trying to wipe out their creations to atone for their sins. I wonder if that's implying that the Engineers have stopped seeding the galaxy altogether by the time David arrives. If they see destroying their creations as atonement, it makes perfect sense why they would cheer the returning Juggernaut. It also fits with the idea that the Engineers were in decline.
So did David create the Neomorph or was that a native animal?
I don't think David created the Neomorph, it's the "natural" result of the black goo spores infecting a host. He created deformed Neomorph-like creatures as part of his experiments, though.
Is there anyone aside from 20th Century Fox who we can bombard with Tweets demanding a sequel to Covenant?
Quote from: bobcunk on Aug 03, 2017, 01:55:17 AM
So did David create the Neomorph or was that a native animal?
No I don't think so I think that's native, like how the Deacon ends up being created from the goo. I think though he used Neos to experiment on, I think there's little versions of them in his experiment lab.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 02, 2017, 10:00:37 PMThere's a reference to a barbaric religious ceremony, but is when the transmission is becoming garbled, so it's open to debate as well, though it does come up when sketches of Shaw with a weird flower facehugger on her head.
I'll have to watch it again.
Could be related to the original reproduction cycle of the Alien.
A (religious) mating ritual involving a male, female, egg/facehugger and host.
Dan O' Bannon's original ideas for the Alien race could be used for the Engineers.
QuoteReproduction was very difficult for them and had therefore become central to their religion. And this pyramid was a temple to reproduction.
See, these alien beings had two sexes of their own, but they needed a third host animal to reproduce. So they'd bring in an animal, put it up on the plinth with a spore, and whammo! Then they'd lead the inseminated animal off to an enclosure somewhere to await the birth
Might be a reason why they were so happy to see one of their ships return. They thought it was bringing in new hosts.
anyone know if the special features are available on the iTunes copy?
Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 02, 2017, 10:00:37 PM
Bought the movie on digital, and just watched Advent. It definitely opens up ambiguity as to whether or not David or the Engineers made the xenos. It seems almost like the black goo creates but also gives rise to xenomorph-like monsters which the Engineers tried to stamp out.
There's a reference to a barbaric religious ceremony, but is when the transmission is becoming garbled, so it's open to debate as well, though it does come up when sketches of Shaw with a weird flower facehugger on her head.
I'll have to watch it again.
I was just going to say that the details David describes opens up the door for many variations of the xenomorph to exist or have existed prior to his guiding of the accelerant.
It also seems to confirm many, many of theories we fans had about the underlying content in the prequels.
I'm curious if anyone can confirm whether this was made before or after the film was released. Anyone?
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Aug 03, 2017, 06:10:38 AM
anyone know if the special features are available on the iTunes copy?
I can confirm that they are.
I watched the awesome Advent short, a couple of deleted scenes, a listened to a bit with Scott's commentary.
Has anyone outside the US purchased a copy and got the features?
Just watched the full Phobos short. Was kinda cool. Some cool character stuff. I wouldn't take it too seriously though, what with them using bits of Alien in the test but still fun!
Phobos was cool. A nice little bit of bonus character development. I like to think the sounds and images of the aliens weren't actually part of the test, more like prophetic associations for the audience.
I just watched the extended/deleted scenes. I'm kind of insulted by most of them. Cutting a line or two of dialogue isn't worth a special feature. The only scene I wish had been left in is Crossing the Plaza, but even that wasn't terribly important.
Are any of the deleted scenes completely new, or are they all extensions of scenes in the theatrical cut?
There are a few that are totally new, but they're still pretty inconsequential.
For example: Daniels has a flashback to a moment in her Earth bedroom. She and Franco talk about their damn cabin... which had been plenty established in multiple other scenes anyway. The only thing that makes the scene interesting is that it would have been the most of Earth we'd ever seen in the series, but it's just a glimpse of a snow-covered city through a window.
Quote from: necrotard on Aug 03, 2017, 09:20:37 AM
There are a few that are totally new, but they're still pretty inconsequential.
For example: Daniels has a flashback to a moment in her Earth bedroom. She and Franco talk about their damn cabin... which had been plenty established in multiple other scenes anyway. The only thing that makes the scene interesting is that it would have been the most of Earth we'd ever seen in the series, but it's just a glimpse of a snow-covered city through a window.
For me whatever was with Franco in the movie worked, but some people wanted more.
I kind of wanted a little more Franco too so I was looking forward to seeing this scene. I don't know what the hell I expected from it. I almost feel stupid for expecting them to talk about something other than their stupid cabin. :P
Here's a dialogue / pictorial of Advent...
http://www.scifimoviezone.com/aliencovenantadvent.shtml (http://www.scifimoviezone.com/aliencovenantadvent.shtml)
Quote from: necrotard on Aug 03, 2017, 06:49:08 AM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Aug 03, 2017, 06:10:38 AM
anyone know if the special features are available on the iTunes copy?
I can confirm that they are.
I watched the awesome Advent short, a couple of deleted scenes, a listened to a bit with Scott's commentary.
How do i access them?
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Aug 03, 2017, 10:14:51 AM
Here's a dialogue / pictorial of Advent...
http://www.scifimoviezone.com/aliencovenantadvent.shtml (http://www.scifimoviezone.com/aliencovenantadvent.shtml)
ummm... David has definitely got
more than just a few loose screws.
I guess Shaw missed 'em when she tightened his nut back into place.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Aug 03, 2017, 10:14:51 AM
Here's a dialogue / pictorial of Advent...
http://www.scifimoviezone.com/aliencovenantadvent.shtml (http://www.scifimoviezone.com/aliencovenantadvent.shtml)
This is very cool, is that a deleted scene? or a making of thingy. I don't understand why this sort of dialog isn't in the movie.
It's one the virals. I'm working to get them uploaded for the site.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Aug 03, 2017, 10:20:38 AM
Quote from: necrotard on Aug 03, 2017, 06:49:08 AM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Aug 03, 2017, 06:10:38 AM
anyone know if the special features are available on the iTunes copy?
I can confirm that they are.
I watched the awesome Advent short, a couple of deleted scenes, a listened to a bit with Scott's commentary.
How do i access them?
I did it on my iPhone. Apparently you have to be connected to wi-fi, which is stupid. If you are, the extras menu should pop up on the bottom of the screen after you hit "play". If it's not there, poke at the screen a bit.
Quote from: necrotard on Aug 03, 2017, 10:48:38 AM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Aug 03, 2017, 10:20:38 AM
Quote from: necrotard on Aug 03, 2017, 06:49:08 AM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Aug 03, 2017, 06:10:38 AM
anyone know if the special features are available on the iTunes copy?
I can confirm that they are.
I watched the awesome Advent short, a couple of deleted scenes, a listened to a bit with Scott's commentary.
How do i access them?
I did it on my iPhone. Apparently you have to be connected to wi-fi, which is stupid. If you are, the extras menu should pop up on the bottom of the screen after you hit "play". If it's not there, poke at the screen a bit.
It worked now thanks
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 03, 2017, 10:32:23 AM
It's one the virals. I'm working to get them uploaded for the site.
Nice. I'll be buying them when they come out, but it's cool to see the extras.
The deleted scenes are largely just meh. Some kinda nice character moments but over all just little bits of trimming and nothing really massive.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 03, 2017, 11:46:35 AM
The deleted scenes are largely just meh. Some kinda nice character moments but over all just little bits of trimming and nothing really massive.
So Ridley made all the right decisions in the cutting then? :D
Nothing really makes me think "that's why that was cut!" or "I'm so glad this was cut!" but there's nothing much that makes me go "I wish they'd kept that in!" either. They're just ok.
^I agree. It's not like Prometheus where the deleted scenes would have made the movie better. Aside from maybe the cabin flashback, the deleted scenes for Covenant don't add much to the film.
from reading various posts, seems they gave us peanuts with the deleted scenes. They could have added the 12 minute link between Prometheus and Covenant to peek our interest.
So after Bomb engineer david wake up shawn and explain everything and his plan to her but she didn't like what he doing,right ?
I'm waiting till august 15th to pick up my Blu-ray copy of Alien: Covenant but gooddamn is it getting hard to wait! These special features sound great (especially "Advent"...there is something about David that just speaks to me. I love that character.). I'm dying to hear the audio commentary too. :)
I purchased the iTunes version last night, and it does in fact come with all of the special features on the blu-ray. I agree with Necrotard that both Advent and Phobos were really good. Advent gives us some more information about David and Shaw, David's motivation, and some details about his genetic experimentation. It seems that Advent is supposed to be part of David's transmission to Weyland-Yutani at the end of the film, just a longer version of it with lots of recording from his lab. I need to watch it a few more times to pick up on all of the nuances, but you basically get to see David at work, which is pretty fascinating. It also helps set up Ridley's desire to move into Alien. It more or less establishes WY's awareness of a dangerous alien lifeform, which ties in directly to Ash being aware of it as well.
Phobos was an interesting character development piece that was really enjoyable, but obviously something that could not have fit within the context of the film.
Overall, the deleted and extended scenes were underwhelming. I do wish the extended plaza scene had been left in the film as it makes the civilization seem grander, more mysterious. I thought that the scene in Daniel's apartment, though brief, would have been a nice addition as it introduces Branson and shows us their love for one another. It would have made his death a little more meaningful.
And, in my opinion, the extended funeral scene gives us a few seconds of conversation between Daniel's and Walter. I actually think this should have been left in as it helps establish further the relationship between those two. There are a couple of moments of them connecting that were cut. Keeping at least one of them in the film would have made David's comments about Walter loving Daniels seem more insightful.
Is there a lot of story elaboration in the director commentary or just behind the scenes anecdotes?
So, was there any kind of "making-of" documentary bundled with the digital release?
There's a 55 min making of doc titled Master Class Ridley Scott
Is it in the same league as a Lauzirika production?
No, it doesn't seem to be on the level of the Furious Gods, but it's still decent. The movie looks amazing in HD. Much better than what I saw in theaters.
Quote from: Protozoid on Aug 02, 2017, 06:31:53 PM
Since this is meant to parallel Paradise Lost, I think the "wolves" are Engineer outcasts like the fallen angels and Lucifer, not the xenomorphs.
Edit: I'm less sure after hearing David say he's "found his wolf" while looking at a xeno egg.
David says that line about the wolves in relation to the black goo and the fact that it can create both good and bad, the bad being the "wolves" and that the Engineers tried to eliminate that aspect but couldn't.
I love the extended look at the monsters in David's lab. Just what I wanted.
Is this Master Class a full-blown documentary or just Ridley in one room talking?
It's a full-blown documentary.
the Advent video has a ton of interesting stuff in it, is David making the Queen?
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Aug 03, 2017, 09:09:56 PM
the Advent video has a ton of interesting stuff in it, is David making the Queen?
Based on Advent it would certainly seem so. It could be that one of the eggs on the Derelict was David's queen, and she hatched, grew, and began laying eggs at some point between Alien and Aliens.
Now we just need the next film get us there.
I wonder how much input Scott had on Advent, given how it seemed like he was disregarding the queen.
I wonder how that's going to go down with the "Cameron ruined Alien crew". Probably be the best idea ever now and a masterstoke.
Quote from: Highland on Aug 03, 2017, 10:30:09 AM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Aug 03, 2017, 10:14:51 AM
Here's a dialogue / pictorial of Advent...
http://www.scifimoviezone.com/aliencovenantadvent.shtml (http://www.scifimoviezone.com/aliencovenantadvent.shtml)
This is very cool, is that a deleted scene?
Glad you enjoyed it. It's the basic theme of my site. I break down dialogue and pictorials for mostly SF movies. I can't say it really adds any value considering scripts and image galleries are abundant on the web, but I just simply enjoy doing it.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 03, 2017, 10:59:51 PM
I wonder how much input Scott had on Advent, given how it seemed like he was disregarding the queen.
Seems I recall Scott later softened his negative opinion on Aliens 86 and the Queen and perhaps is choosing to include the Queen in his alien universe. The same for AVP, which he offered a denigrating opinion on that spin-off. Yet, he produced a Prometheus ending that mimics exactly the ending of AVP - an alien creature pops out the chest of another alien creature.
There's a ton of similarities between 'AvP' and 'PROMETHEUS'.
It goes well beyond that, however. Even the latest released 'Crossing the Plaza' outtake from 'ALIEN: Covenant' very closely resembles a scene from the 2004 movie. Lexa Woods shoots a flare into the air to see what's in darkness below where her team is standing. It reveals the abandoned whaling station.
It's almost uncanny, the similarity.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: TWJones on Aug 03, 2017, 09:57:29 PM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Aug 03, 2017, 09:09:56 PM
the Advent video has a ton of interesting stuff in it, is David making the Queen?
Based on Advent it would certainly seem so. It could be that one of the eggs on the Derelict was David's queen, and she hatched, grew, and began laying eggs at some point between Alien and Aliens.
Now we just need the next film get us there.
I didn't get the impression either one of those two xeno embryos were actually a queen. Going by Advent, David announces he plans to create his Queen just as the video shows an image of Daniels in her cryo chamber. I get the impression he is implying he plans to use Daniels as his subject to create a Queen, or at least a Queen embryo.
That said, the mystery is what is so special about Daniels? Her human genome would be no different than Shaw's. I can only speculate that the difference is this specimen is a living subject as opposed to the dead human genome he extracted from the deceased Shaw. I further speculate that he's focused on her over the remaining humans in cryo chambers is because he sees the evidently very resourceful Daniels as the biggest threat to his goals.
These lines are interesting: "Tribes told of ancient ceremony. Such cruelty, once thrived, long since frozen over". Doesn't it imply that the alien lifecycle is ancient and David is bringing back / perfecting the creature?
Quote from: Kane's other son on Aug 04, 2017, 10:00:23 AM
These lines are interesting: "Tribes told of ancient ceremony. Such cruelty, once thrived, long since frozen over". Doesn't it imply that the alien lifecycle is ancient and David is bringing back / perfecting the creature?
No, it implies David found his own wolf, which may be similar but not identical to the original "wolf".
Also, somebody should upload this scene on youtube.
Quote from: Kane's other son on Aug 04, 2017, 10:00:23 AM
These lines are interesting: "Tribes told of ancient ceremony. Such cruelty, once thrived, long since frozen over". Doesn't it imply that the alien lifecycle is ancient and David is bringing back / perfecting the creature?
I would agree with tleilaxu. Remember, David states that the substance is mutable and creates chaotic and
unique results. Unique being the key word here. My impression is whoever experiments with the substance will not necessarily produce an exact replica of another's experiments. One of David's unique results produced the neomorph.
There's actually three separate transmission logs that David sends to the Weyland Network:
TRANSMISSION LOG D.8: SURGICAL INVESTIGATION. SPECIAL ORDER 754. EXPERIMENTAL TRIALS.
TRANSMISSION LOG D.13: RITUALS AND CUSTOMS. SPECIAL ORDER 899. PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING.
TRANSMISSION LOG D.21: XENOMORPHIC ENTITY. SPECIAL ORDER 931. ADVANCED WEAPONS RESEARCH.
That line you quote is within the Rituals and Custom log. Illustrations are shown of Engineers impregnated with chestbursters but not exactly like the traditional chestburster that cinema fans are acquainted with. Illustrations also included various versions associated to xenomorph physiology, but diverse enough to see a distinct difference from the Alien of 1979. So both the Engineers and David produced various versions of the creature.
And speaking of SPECIAL ORDER. I wonder if this has any association with Special Order 937 from Alien 79. There's no apparent conflict in the special order number sequence. This raises the question whether David was acting in part on special orders from the corporation before he went astray with his own agenda.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Aug 04, 2017, 02:28:54 AM
Seems I recall Scott later softened his negative opinion on Aliens 86 and the Queen and perhaps is choosing to include the Queen in his alien universe.
He never had a negative opinion on Aliens. He said he thought the Queen was a great idea and he really liked Cameron's film.
The only thing he was a bit peeved about was that Fox didn't ask him back to direct the sequel.
And he never disregarded the queen. It just didn't fit in Covenant.
Okay, I don't know why I had the memory Scott had a negative view of the queen. Bad recollection on my part.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Aug 04, 2017, 11:51:02 AM
Quote from: Kane's other son on Aug 04, 2017, 10:00:23 AM
These lines are interesting: "Tribes told of ancient ceremony. Such cruelty, once thrived, long since frozen over". Doesn't it imply that the alien lifecycle is ancient and David is bringing back / perfecting the creature?
I would agree with tleilaxu. Remember, David states that the substance is mutable and creates chaotic and unique results. Unique being the key word here. My impression is whoever experiments with the substance will not necessarily produce an exact replica of another's experiments. One of David's unique results produced the neomorph.
There's actually three separate transmission logs that David sends to the Weyland Network:
TRANSMISSION LOG D.8: SURGICAL INVESTIGATION. SPECIAL ORDER 754. EXPERIMENTAL TRIALS.
TRANSMISSION LOG D.13: RITUALS AND CUSTOMS. SPECIAL ORDER 899. PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING.
TRANSMISSION LOG D.21: XENOMORPHIC ENTITY. SPECIAL ORDER 931. ADVANCED WEAPONS RESEARCH.
That line you quote is within the Rituals and Custom log. Illustrations are shown of Engineers impregnated with chestbursters but not exactly like the traditional chestburster that cinema fans are acquainted with. Illustrations also included various versions associated to xenomorph physiology, but diverse enough to see a distinct difference from the Alien of 1979. So both the Engineers and David produced various versions of the creature.
And speaking of SPECIAL ORDER. I wonder if this has any association with Special Order 937 from Alien 79. There's no apparent conflict in the special order number sequence. This raises the question whether David was acting in part on special orders from the corporation before he went astray with his own agenda.
Nice catch with the SPECIAL ORDER numbers.
I have my theory that this ADVENT may be FOX'S way of wrapping things up, and I am curious to find out if this "Viral" was produced during the making of the COVENANT or after-the-fact. I think, this pretty much establishes the connection to ALIEN firmly, especially if we are up to SPECIAL ORDER 931. Which, curiously is slated as being for ADVANCED WEAPONS RESEARCH.
ADVENT, it seems, TO ME, and I'm curious what others think, to reek of saying "Enough already. We need to explicitly tell people what's happening here." In lieu of too many misunderstandings. Since, it basically establishes the direct link to ALIEN with David's contact and the SPECIAL ORDER NO. As well as, pretty much answering all the questions begun in PROMETHEUS...
This whole "What does the Black Goo do?" and many of the questions with the Engineers have concrete answers, or at least, concrete directions in which to pursue those answers. They are pretty much what we all expected anyway, answer wise. It's too bad that these answers didn't actually find there way into the films. Especially the BLACK GOO, I felt COVENANT needed to focus on that directly and it never comes up.
My theory is: FOX either saved the props and contents of DAVID'S LAB or shot this on set, in the case of; they saw the response to the film, and whether they had this planned as a possibility during the production or not, they shot this with someone else's hands and tagged Michael Fassbinder to record the voiceover.
Either way, the prequel series seems pretty wrapped up here. For better or worse. And it may even hint to the direction they want to take the series next. With all the ADVANCED WEAPONS RESEARCH and talk of UNLEASHING the Xeno onto the Galaxy and the QUEEN and even the Wolves and Antique Biological mutations, it seems Scott was never intending to wipe out any of the things people accused him of, continuity wise.
It should be noted the ADVENT doesn't contradict any of the films in the franchise.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Aug 04, 2017, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: Kane's other son on Aug 04, 2017, 10:00:23 AM
These lines are interesting: "Tribes told of ancient ceremony. Such cruelty, once thrived, long since frozen over". Doesn't it imply that the alien lifecycle is ancient and David is bringing back / perfecting the creature?
No, it implies David found his own wolf, which may be similar but not identical to the original "wolf".
Also, somebody should upload this scene on youtube.
This! It does imply that David did necessarily CREATE the Xeno and all the talk about excising WOLVES and etc, makes sense out of what they found in PROMETHEUS.
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 04, 2017, 05:43:41 PM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Aug 04, 2017, 11:51:02 AM
Quote from: Kane's other son on Aug 04, 2017, 10:00:23 AM
These lines are interesting: "Tribes told of ancient ceremony. Such cruelty, once thrived, long since frozen over". Doesn't it imply that the alien lifecycle is ancient and David is bringing back / perfecting the creature?
I would agree with tleilaxu. Remember, David states that the substance is mutable and creates chaotic and unique results. Unique being the key word here. My impression is whoever experiments with the substance will not necessarily produce an exact replica of another's experiments. One of David's unique results produced the neomorph.
There's actually three separate transmission logs that David sends to the Weyland Network:
TRANSMISSION LOG D.8: SURGICAL INVESTIGATION. SPECIAL ORDER 754. EXPERIMENTAL TRIALS.
TRANSMISSION LOG D.13: RITUALS AND CUSTOMS. SPECIAL ORDER 899. PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING.
TRANSMISSION LOG D.21: XENOMORPHIC ENTITY. SPECIAL ORDER 931. ADVANCED WEAPONS RESEARCH.
That line you quote is within the Rituals and Custom log. Illustrations are shown of Engineers impregnated with chestbursters but not exactly like the traditional chestburster that cinema fans are acquainted with. Illustrations also included various versions associated to xenomorph physiology, but diverse enough to see a distinct difference from the Alien of 1979. So both the Engineers and David produced various versions of the creature.
And speaking of SPECIAL ORDER. I wonder if this has any association with Special Order 937 from Alien 79. There's no apparent conflict in the special order number sequence. This raises the question whether David was acting in part on special orders from the corporation before he went astray with his own agenda.
Nice catch with the SPECIAL ORDER numbers.
I have my theory that this ADVENT may be FOX'S way of wrapping things up, and I am curious to find out if this "Viral" was produced during the making of the COVENANT or after-the-fact. I think, this pretty much establishes the connection to ALIEN firmly, especially if we are up to SPECIAL ORDER 931. Which, curiously is slated as being for ADVANCED WEAPONS RESEARCH.
ADVENT, it seems, TO ME, and I'm curious what others think, to reek of saying "Enough already. We need to explicitly tell people what's happening here." In lieu of too many misunderstandings. Since, it basically establishes the direct link to ALIEN with David's contact and the SPECIAL ORDER NO. As well as, pretty much answering all the questions begun in PROMETHEUS...
This whole "What does the Black Goo do?" and many of the questions with the Engineers have concrete answers, or at least, concrete directions in which to pursue those answers. They are pretty much what we all expected anyway, answer wise. It's too bad that these answers didn't actually find there way into the films. Especially the BLACK GOO, I felt COVENANT needed to focus on that directly and it never comes up.
My theory is: FOX either saved the props and contents of DAVID'S LAB or shot this on set, in the case of; they saw the response to the film, and whether they had this planned as a possibility during the production or not, they shot this with someone else's hands and tagged Michael Fassbinder to record the voiceover.
Either way, the prequel series seems pretty wrapped up here. For better or worse. And it may even hint to the direction they want to take the series next. With all the ADVANCED WEAPONS RESEARCH and talk of UNLEASHING the Xeno onto the Galaxy and the QUEEN and even the Wolves and Antique Biological mutations, it seems Scott was never intending to wipe out any of the things people accused him of, continuity wise.
It should be noted the ADVENT doesn't contradict any of the films in the franchise.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Aug 04, 2017, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: Kane's other son on Aug 04, 2017, 10:00:23 AM
These lines are interesting: "Tribes told of ancient ceremony. Such cruelty, once thrived, long since frozen over". Doesn't it imply that the alien lifecycle is ancient and David is bringing back / perfecting the creature?
No, it implies David found his own wolf, which may be similar but not identical to the original "wolf".
Also, somebody should upload this scene on youtube.
This! It does imply that David did necessarily CREATE the Xeno and all the talk about excising WOLVES and etc, makes sense out of what they found in PROMETHEUS.
Listen to Corporal Hicks interview with Dan Halett on the avp galaxy podcast. They talk about this. From what I remember it was shot after the crew had wrapped up shooting though before the sets were scrapped last year. They go into detail on how the film was before it was edited down.
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 04, 2017, 05:43:41 PM
With all the ADVANCED WEAPONS RESEARCH and talk of UNLEASHING the Xeno onto the Galaxy and the QUEEN and even the Wolves and Antique Biological mutations, it seems Scott was never intending to wipe out any of the things people accused him of, continuity wise.
Another amusing aspect of that Advent scene regarding the Queen: In the film, Walter loses his left hand while defending Daniels from the neomorph. Later, David and Walter do battle. We are led to believe Walter bested David. But as we all know, apparently David sacrificed his own left hand to sell his deceit that he is Walter. In the Advent video when he brags about creating his queen, he touches Daniels' cryo chamber with his left hand. Perhaps androids have regenerative properties?
Now I realize they just simply used footage from the film for those few frames, but the Advent video paints the picture David was talking and it shows him at work on his research that's not seen in the film. So I was buying into this video was featuring David in scenes not shown in the film....until that Queen scene. In real world, my guess is Fassbender recorded the audio and they hired an extra for the hand action (the Advent video never shows his face)
Also, I realize this could be easily dismissed that he saved his hand, tucked it away in his jumpsuit and later reattached it.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Aug 04, 2017, 11:08:59 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 04, 2017, 05:43:41 PM
With all the ADVANCED WEAPONS RESEARCH and talk of UNLEASHING the Xeno onto the Galaxy and the QUEEN and even the Wolves and Antique Biological mutations, it seems Scott was never intending to wipe out any of the things people accused him of, continuity wise.
Another amusing aspect of that Advent scene regarding the Queen: In the film, Walter loses his left hand while defending Daniels from the neomorph. Later, David and Walter do battle. We are led to believe Walter bested David. But as we all know, apparently David sacrificed his own left hand to sell his deceit that he is Walter. In the Advent video when he brags about creating his queen, he touches Daniels' cryo chamber with his left hand. Perhaps androids have regenerative properties?
Now I realize they just simply used footage from the film for those few frames, but the Advent video paints the picture David was talking and it shows him at work on his research that's not seen in the film. So I was buying into this video was featuring David in scenes not shown in the film....until that Queen scene. In real world, my guess is Fassbender recorded the audio and they hired an extra for the hand action (the Advent video never shows his face)
Also, I realize this could be easily dismissed that he saved his hand, tucked it away in his jumpsuit and later reattached it.
Its likely just a continuity error. I do think the images on ADVENT are meant to be flashbacks to David doing the work, in the past. Although, I suppose it could also be Walter in David's lab presently, having regrown his hand.
Personally I find the idea of androids regenerating a hand to be a bit over the top.
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 05, 2017, 04:41:55 AM
Its likely just a continuity error. I do think the images on ADVENT are meant to be flashbacks to David doing the work, in the past.
Sounds like the best explanation to me.
QuoteAlthough, I suppose it could also be Walter in David's lab presently, having regrown his hand.
My guess is not likely since he introduces himself as David in the Advent video.
QuotePersonally I find the idea of androids regenerating a hand to be a bit over the top.
I meant that to be in jest. I should have tagged it with a wink emoticon.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Aug 05, 2017, 05:12:44 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 05, 2017, 04:41:55 AM
Its likely just a continuity error. I do think the images on ADVENT are meant to be flashbacks to David doing the work, in the past.
Sounds like the best explanation to me.
QuoteAlthough, I suppose it could also be Walter in David's lab presently, having regrown his hand.
My guess is not likely since he introduces himself as David in the Advent video.
QuotePersonally I find the idea of androids regenerating a hand to be a bit over the top.
I meant that to be in jest. I should have tagged it with a wink emoticon.
Noted. Noted. Def true about Walter.
The extended intro is honestly the only one that really interests me.
I haven't had a chance to see advent, but from the teaser of it; its a report, David is using recorded (because why wouldnt android record important moments?) scenes while narrating. And sending it all back to earth(?) So that he could test his experiments, or get WY to further his studies
I loved Advent..wtf were they doing cutting it?????
Cutting it?... How could it ever fit in the film? It was clearly meant to be a viral video.
Lol that queen line.
Getting closer Ridley, almost there...
Spoiler
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Quote from: Evanus on Aug 07, 2017, 05:20:19 PM
Cutting it?... How could it ever fit in the film? It was clearly meant to be a viral video.
Oh Please, I'm sure it's possible. I actually like Prometheus a lot more with the virals edited in. Seemless, The only con was it makes first half seem really long, thus making third act seem too short.
It could have worked as a stinger... That's basically what it will be for me any time I watch the movie.
Quote from: bleau on Aug 08, 2017, 12:46:08 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Aug 07, 2017, 05:20:19 PM
Cutting it?... How could it ever fit in the film? It was clearly meant to be a viral video.
Oh Please, I'm sure it's possible. I actually like Prometheus a lot more with the virals edited in. Seemless, The only con was it makes first half seem really long, thus making third act seem too short.
After Credit scene that it.
Advent looks like something cobbled together at minimal cost.
Phobos is just ill-advised. Was some of that really images and sounds of alien creatures ie 'xenomorphs'?
But, these short films exist in the canon. So.... David's transmissions, made some time after the events of Alien:Covenant, must have travelled through a timewarp to reach W-Y before the mission launched, enabling W-Y to plan out the whole thing. Oh, you don't like the thought of something burrowing into your body? Great, you're perfect for this mission! ....and by the way that means David is really Walter too!
Quote from: necrotard on Aug 08, 2017, 05:12:47 AM
It could have worked as a stinger... That's basically what it will be for me any time I watch the movie.
I told someone to watch the advent short after the film, and they were shocked though made their experience for the film better. It would work perfectly as a stinger.
Quote from: gantarat on Aug 08, 2017, 10:47:49 AM
Quote from: bleau on Aug 08, 2017, 12:46:08 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Aug 07, 2017, 05:20:19 PM
Cutting it?... How could it ever fit in the film? It was clearly meant to be a viral video.
Oh Please, I'm sure it's possible. I actually like Prometheus a lot more with the virals edited in. Seemless, The only con was it makes first half seem really long, thus making third act seem too short.
After Credit scene that it.
Yeah something like that
I honestly would like to do a small fan film 5-8 mins showing a type of aftermath. Hard to explain. I wanted or would like to have a Weyland team, like a small followup/investigation, go to lifeboat on on lv426 and discover an adult deacon, Deacon kills a couple men, maybe an explosion. I wanted communications to blacked out like from a storm and have the men battling deacon blow themselfs up killing it and them, With Weyland team from ship above in space not aware of hostile alien because of com black out. They assuming a freak accident. Then deem to planet as too dangerous, Kind like Shaw's message, and that essentially there is nothing there. Thus, they never know about the pyrmids or anything on Lv423. At least something along those lines. But time will tell. More of a personal thing for me, as I would like to go into the biz some day. This would be a perfect for gaining experience Right now I'm in legal, and just getting into film equipment, looking to buy better camera for practice. Big stuff can be rented. Pretty sure I can build a small mock up look alike set. Anyhow It's something that I think can realistically be done. Based on Covenant though, it would be tricky. I think in Covenant David may have alerted Weyland about lv 423 and whats on it. Even so it would be great to see it come to fruition one day.
Quote from: markweatherill on Aug 08, 2017, 12:29:00 PM
But, these short films exist in the canon.
They don't. Virals are just fun asides, not to be taken too seriously.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2017, 01:26:37 PM
Quote from: markweatherill on Aug 08, 2017, 12:29:00 PM
But, these short films exist in the canon.
They don't. Virals are just fun asides, not to be taken too seriously.
Not sure if I agree with this. Surely anything that's associated with the movie and endorsed by the studio would have to be considered canon, perhaps not concrete evidence of anything but at least in the realms of "this matters"
I guess where do we draw the line of not in the movie, in the movie when it comes to things like Viral or Deleted scenes particularly in a movie that was designed to bring up questions.
I'm not even thinking from a fans point of view, even just a general movie goer.
this is perhaps the best screen grab from that whole short, it seems David is actually writing about how the specimens he has in his lab have HIVE MINDS, potentially the ground work laid for him to consider they need a leader of that hive mind, AKA the queen.
Quote from: MrH on Aug 08, 2017, 02:21:15 PM
this is perhaps the best screen grab from that whole short
Now then, has anyone else here played Eternal Darkness on the Gamecube? These writings are very reminiscent of the 'autopsies' in that game!
I just watched Advent and I thought it was great. It definitely answers some questions while giving us more of motive for David which I liked a lot. Hopefully if we get another film this is taken into consideration, David wants his creation to take over the galaxy but clearly he will not get his wish so now we must find out what stops him.
If it happens, I reckon his own creation will ultimately be his downfall.
Advent is so tantalizing with how it starts breaking up when David is talking about the Engineers. I want to know what that barbaric ritual is! :laugh:
There's a clip of David's alternate TERMINATOR dialogue and a deleted wire-work stunt with the Neomorph, lifting it's female victim off the ground by the throat.
Both found in the 55mins documentary.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 15, 2017, 04:15:55 PM
Advent is so tantalizing with how it starts breaking up when David is talking about the Engineers. I want to know what that barbaric ritual is! :laugh:
Ritual beheading?
Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 15, 2017, 04:15:55 PM
Advent is so tantalizing with how it starts breaking up when David is talking about the Engineers. I want to know what that barbaric ritual is! :laugh:
Same here. If the Engineers saga should come to an end, they should release an encyclopedia on the Engineers.
About the ritual, there are so many options. First one that comes to mind is the Giger hieroglyph, but at this point it doesn't seem that brutal.
Same goes for the self-sacrifice ritual we saw already at the beginning of Prometheus.
Other options are mass or child sacrifice. But I doubt they'd show the last one.
These could be responsible for the low amount of Engineers on the homeplanet, that is if what we saw in the movie was the whole population.
Cannibalism might fit in with the other Christian influences. Sacrifice one self for the benefit of others, the body of Christ, bread and wine,...
Or the answer might be in mythology, or in literature or poetry.
There's a rendering by David, of a ritual beheading of an Engineer, found in the Blu-ray supplements.
The engineers definitely dabbled with the black goo creating alien like creatures but realized they were far too dangerous and stopped. David picked up where they left off attempting to create his own perfect organism. Maybe the Derelict on LV-426 is a dump truck of the engineers most dangerous "wolf".
Quote from: Elmazalman on Aug 17, 2017, 01:26:20 AM
There's a rendering by David, of a ritual beheading of an Engineer, found in the Blu-ray supplements.
Any chance of posting a picture?
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Aug 17, 2017, 03:48:01 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Aug 17, 2017, 01:26:20 AM
There's a rendering by David, of a ritual beheading of an Engineer, found in the Blu-ray supplements.
Any chance of posting a picture?
You can find it at : SECTOR 87 - PLANET 4 > DAVID'S ILLUSTRATIONS > SPECIMENS > Ritualistic Beheading.
Are there any production still galleries on the blu-ray too?
Not on my standard Blu-ray release copy. The only gallery available is "David's Illustrations".
Quote from: Elmazalman on Aug 17, 2017, 06:13:39 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Aug 17, 2017, 03:48:01 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Aug 17, 2017, 01:26:20 AM
There's a rendering by David, of a ritual beheading of an Engineer, found in the Blu-ray supplements.
Any chance of posting a picture?
You can find it at : SECTOR 87 - PLANET 4 > DAVID'S ILLUSTRATIONS > SPECIMENS > Ritualistic Beheading.
Nice find, I can't wait to dig into the Blu Ray. The Engineers really are just space assholes, it seems.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Aug 17, 2017, 06:13:39 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Aug 17, 2017, 03:48:01 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Aug 17, 2017, 01:26:20 AM
There's a rendering by David, of a ritual beheading of an Engineer, found in the Blu-ray supplements.
Any chance of posting a picture?
You can find it at : SECTOR 87 - PLANET 4 > DAVID'S ILLUSTRATIONS > SPECIMENS > Ritualistic Beheading.
Don't have the blu-ray yet. Only a digital version.
I have watched Advent and Davids Illustrations. Both are 100% messages from David to Weyland Yutani.
So the company knows what David is doing. Yes he mentions a queen too. My theory is that he wants the species to be able self sustain.
Why would David cooperate with Weyland-Yutani when he clearly hates humanity? Is he conspiring with other AIs within the company?
How can i download all Deleted scenes? anyone help please
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2017, 06:45:35 PM
Why would David cooperate with Weyland-Yutani when he clearly hates humanity? Is he conspiring with other AIs within the company?
I think he's taking advantage of the company's greed to breed his "wolf".
But how does that advance his agenda?
He invites them to do some kind of ritual that will "bring his creations forth to rule this Galaxy" or whatever the exact quote was.
Perhaps contacting Weyland-Yutani with an offer of his discoveries is nothing but a devious ruse by David?
If he really wishes to inflict his Xenomorph creations against the whole of Earth's humanity, perhaps he thinks the unprincipled, self-serving ways of this particular company will help him achieve getting them to planet Earth...as he knows they will do everything in their power to get hold of what he's offering to them...and expects these mere mortals to be unable to contain his creations once unleashed. In the same way he cleansed the 'unworthy' Engineers off the face of their homeworld, perhaps he plans a similar cleansing of his own equally unworthy creators.
Possibly... :laugh:
(and I'm certainly looking forward to the possibilites for an 'extended' fan edit using certain deleted footage)
I think he's warning WY. He says "if you do this, my creations will be set loose and rule this galaxy." I take that to mean "if you keep expanding past a certain point, I'll unleash the xenos on you."
I know this post is several years old. But does anyone know where I could watch Advent on the Internet? Or does someone have the ripped short film? I don't have Alien: Covenant on Blu-Ray...
Shit quality, but
https://vimeo.com/405246423
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2020, 08:31:57 PM
Shit quality, but
https://vimeo.com/405246423
Thanks! :D