Why o why do they keep using the rubbish alien design from Alien Resurrection (even if it has a ridged head this time)? One look at the poster and you can see the alien looks all wrong, like it has an elongated snout and it's mouth is all baggy.
Will these people ever learn?
Quote from: warneford87 on Sep 27, 2007, 08:59:04 PM
Why o why do they keep using the rubbish alien design from Alien Resurrection (even if it has a ridged head this time)? One look at the poster and you can see the alien looks all wrong, like it has an elongated snout and it's mouth is all baggy.
Will these people ever learn?
In the trailer the alien looks fine to me! This is my favorite alien design.
Quote from: csutkakoma on Sep 27, 2007, 09:35:12 PM
Quote from: warneford87 on Sep 27, 2007, 08:59:04 PM
Why o why do they keep using the rubbish alien design from Alien Resurrection (even if it has a ridged head this time)? One look at the poster and you can see the alien looks all wrong, like it has an elongated snout and it's mouth is all baggy.
Will these people ever learn?
This is my favorite alien design.
Mine too.
You both have diabolical taste. The end. I don't know why people get such a boner over the ridged heads, especially since the new ones are actually quite different. I swear Greg and Colin could take a shit, sculpt ridges onto it and some people would claim it's the best design since Cameron's.
Why do they keep using the A:R design? Simple. Saves them $$$.
i think the alien looks fine
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Sep 27, 2007, 09:37:36 PM
You both have diabolical taste. The end. I don't know why people get such a boner over the ridged heads, especially since the new ones are actually quite different. I swear Greg and Colin could take a shit, sculpt ridges onto it and some people would claim it's the best design since Cameron's.
Why do they keep using the A:R design? Simple. Saves them $$$.
Or the filmmakers just like them, just like i do.
No, it was for the money. Otherwise we'd have totally Aliens-style Aliens and you'd be all like 'oh noes it doesn't look like an animal'.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Sep 27, 2007, 09:37:36 PM
You both have diabolical taste.
I don't think so! I like it you don't. That's simple. Respect each other opinion!
Well, ADI has created the Aliens since A3 and A:R so I'm guessing that on A:R they had the liberty to tweak the creature, so it's like their own trademark instead of doing Giger's one...I don't personally like it that much either, but I think they still look cool...
Figures the predator fanboys like the design. With that said, here's how I'd rank the designs:
Alien, Aliens=Best
Alien 3, AvP:R=Good
A:R, AvP=Horrible(Although they did have a good excuse for them being more fleshy in A:R)
I personally liked the ones in A.v.P. more than the ridgeheads from Aliens and this.
If it has a smooth head, anorexia, black biomech skin, and stays in the damn shadows it's all good by me.
They probally wanted to use that design because on predator 2 u can see the how the skull was and they probally wanted to base it off of that and I they did a damn good job
I think the aliens look fine in the trailer but is it just me or does the one on the poster have the most spherical, waterbaby forehead ever? :o
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Sep 27, 2007, 10:36:35 PM
Figures the predator fanboys like the design. With that said, here's how I'd rank the designs:
Alien, Aliens=Best
Alien 3, AvP:R=Good
A:R, AvP=Horrible(Although they did have a good excuse for them being more fleshy in A:R)
We don't have to be a pred fanboy for that!
The most important part - the head - is off, its the shape or something, its not sleek enough for me, looks too bulky or out of place.
Also the mouth has some weird sh*t going on.
Dislike is a strong word, but i dont get a semi over them or anything.
These aren't ridged. They're slated. It looks like ridges, but it's not really the same, when you look at them close.
Ridges look great, coming out of hive material or rising up from the water.
These ones also have arms which just out at a far higher angle than at the shoulder, as the original designs had.
QuoteThese aren't ridged. They're slated. It looks like ridges, but it's not really the same, when you look at them close.
You don't even have to look at them close. The 'ridges' are the same as what ADI have with the Alien for over 15 years and can easily be seen on any BTS material for Alien3, Res and AvP. However, they've always had the cowl over them and therefore haven't look terribly different. Now the cowl's been removed.... :P
Quote from: SM on Sep 28, 2007, 12:56:12 AM
QuoteThese aren't ridged. They're slated. It looks like ridges, but it's not really the same, when you look at them close.
You don't even have to look at them close. The 'ridges' are the same as what ADI have with the Alien for over 15 years and can easily be seen on any BTS material for Alien3, Res and AvP. However, they've always had the cowl over them and therefore haven't look terribly different. Now the cowl's been removed.... :P
Wow, I didn't think of that. So the only new piece they did was the neck? Everything else was recycled. Kind of a shame they didn't revamp the alien design like what they did with the predator.
Not really. There's been all sort of tweaks and modifications from film to film, but if you find any BTS pics from Alien3 of the Alien without the cowl you can see the head is basically the same as AvP-R. Especially that first shot that came out of the stunt suit.
Quote from: csutkakoma on Sep 27, 2007, 09:42:19 PM
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Sep 27, 2007, 09:37:36 PM
You both have diabolical taste.
I don't think so! I like it you don't. That's simple. Respect each other opinion!
Agreed. I really like these new alien designs, there much better then the A:R and AVP designs from what I've seen and also the A3 design mostly.
Yeh people need to learn to respect eachothers comments and opinions...it's not like you have to throw a fit if not everyone agrees ::)
I completely respect and support Porkus' opinion.
Quote from: SM on Sep 28, 2007, 06:27:20 AM
I completely respect and support Porkus' opinion.
I second that...
I think they will look just fine on the screen,
they can't look worse than the ones from AVP can they?
...and I think those were OK...
As long as the head's shaped like a penis it'll look like an Alien to me.
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;D you make me smile...alien with a gun
love the retarded predalien back there
predalien: "hey guys can i play?"
Wolf: "sorry, too badass to talk"
Alien: "MOAR BOOLETS NAO!"
wtf... :D
I like it and the way they shoot it. Faces long- really? Mouths too big- well yeah, they have to fit another mouth in there.
Ridges are cool. I like 'em and in some shots it looks Cameron-esqu. Rising behind the soldier.
The aliens head is perfect, not to big, and nice choppers. Yes the body is the same as avp and ar, with some new features. I like the aliens suit, and the way they film them.
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It would be humorous if it weren't so true.
The AvPR heads have a new rounded back to them, a new neck, and new mouth tendons.
What I don't get is why they didn't make the thing biomechanical seeing as they had the chance. The neck looks even worse than when it was fleshy. Wasted opportunity.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 30, 2007, 03:48:30 AM
The AvPR heads have a new rounded back to them, a new neck, and new mouth tendons.
What I don't get is why they didn't make the thing biomechanical seeing as they had the chance. The neck looks even worse than when it was fleshy. Wasted opportunity.
My thoughts exactly.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 30, 2007, 03:48:30 AM
The AvPR heads have a new rounded back to them, a new neck, and new mouth tendons.
What I don't get is why they didn't make the thing biomechanical seeing as they had the chance. The neck looks even worse than when it was fleshy. Wasted opportunity.
I agree except for the neck.
I hate the new superthick necks... seriously there's no reason
Maybe in some misguided attempt to hide the performer's head? But it just makes it more obvious ...
Quote from: Vemados on Sep 30, 2007, 03:59:50 AM
I hate the new superthick necks... seriously there's no reason
that's the one thing from the aliens that bothers me, why did they do that :-\
they want to do the best they can and i think that they do an amazing job...from that what we already saw!
...but its normal that there are some points that we not like... evey time directors want to do somemthing right or something new, there is at least one thing that is worse in our eyes...
it could be much scarier,when the whole movie is shit, like avp ( mmh but the queen was awesome^^)
so, its really normal that we find something bad, but i think its ok.
The reason the neck is so this is cus thats where toms head gos.
Really? And where did his head go on all the suits prior to this film? ::)
They obviously employed headless actors DUH.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 30, 2007, 03:48:30 AM
The AvPR heads have a new rounded back to them, a new neck, and new mouth tendons.
What I don't get is why they didn't make the thing biomechanical seeing as they had the chance. The neck looks even worse than when it was fleshy. Wasted opportunity.
I'm no fan of the new design, but the neck is identical to what it was on the suits for A3, AR & Alien Res. I think the new piping plays a factor in emphasising the size of neck purely because there is alot more detail there now. The shoulders have always hidden the neck though in the previous films, so I think it's a bit of an unfair criticism.
I love the A face in the REQUIEM!It's just Aliens stile
avp -r designs are shit. I am completely and utterly shocked that Anderson and strauses claim to be such fans yet neglect to pull out the ALIEN ( not ALIENS >:() original designs and execute them. why always something new or different. i blame James Cameron. he simply started the trend of changing the design. Predator didn't do it in Predator 2 ( it was a different looking predator but the elder was based on the original designs mold, therefore giving a good impression that predator with all look a little different) . Aliens never gave a reason for the difference.
Comic books and vg's are not canon.
i only asking the alien design to go back to the orginal because every other progressive alien design gets worse ( exception of alien 3 ( giger was the reason that wasn't totally a piece of crap)
Predalien design is so horrible. I like the implied predalien. i think my imagination is better than ADI. But not giger lol. Alien 1 was the only time were the design of the monster was more messed up than then what i thought it be. Predator too , but that wasn't spectaclur
Quote from: H.r.giger fan on Oct 01, 2007, 12:08:56 AM
avp -r designs are shit. I am completely and utterly shocked that Anderson and strauses claim to be such fans yet neglect to pull out the ALIEN ( not ALIENS >:() original designs and execute them. why always something new or different. i blame James Cameron. he simply started the trend of changing the design. Predator didn't do it in Predator 2 ( it was a different looking predator but the elder was based on the original designs mold, therefore giving a good impression that predator with all look a little different) . Aliens never gave a reason for the difference.
i only asking the alien design to go back to the orginal because every other progressive alien design gets worse ( exception of alien 3 ( giger was the reason that wasn't totally a piece of crap)
I'd be aweful bored if it was always the same. And the Strauses are proving themselves more than Anderson. And they are fans. Of Aliens.
Alien's design rocked.
Aliens's design was good too. When I saw the ribbed head, it confused me. I think the more we get used to the original design, they should change something to confuse us a bit.
Alien 3- hmm. Giger designed something and they did something else.
A4- ADI wanted to take advantage to experiment with the design, and in the production stills, it actually looked pretty cool to me. But it was shot horribly.
AVP- lack of imagination
AVP-R- I'm liking. Biomech neck. Ridged head. Rounded. Gray. Cool.
The only thing I really have against the newer alien designs is that the heads are way too small.
I just think they looked better and more intimidating with the longer, larger heads of earlier movies.
At least they made it better than AVP's ::)
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Oct 01, 2007, 01:41:37 AM
At least they made it better than AVP's ::)
Yeah but that's not saying much... ;)
Quote from: Gates on Oct 01, 2007, 01:48:11 AM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Oct 01, 2007, 01:41:37 AM
At least they made it better than AVP's ::)
Yeah but that's not saying much... ;)
that is true but improvement is improvement...personally i like it and u have to consider they don't have the biggest budget in the world...they had alot to do and make
Either way I don't like the design much...just not my personal preference really...what I do like though is the way the aliens seem to be moving (although this could go sour in the movie but I doubt it)...the way it silently creeps up on the doctor in the GB, and the way it rises up behind the soldier in the PPL trailer...although I don't like the "See there's no monster" scene...I wouldn't think that if the alien saw the girl in her bed before the parents came in, and wouldn't take her right there and then...doesn't seem characteristic of the aliens...
well with the seing the girl thing, aliens lie and wait for a good attack, he wanted to make sure he could grab his prey and he got a much better shot at the dad then the girl so it's very alien
QuoteI wouldn't think that if the alien saw the girl in her bed before the parents came in, and wouldn't take her right there and then...doesn't seem characteristic of the aliens...
Ripley in the shuttle?
Quote from: SM on Oct 01, 2007, 11:12:17 PM
QuoteI wouldn't think that if the alien saw the girl in her bed before the parents came in, and wouldn't take her right there and then...doesn't seem characteristic of the aliens...
Ripley in the shuttle?
yes that is a very good exemple of what i was trying to say
Quote from: H.r.giger fan on Oct 01, 2007, 12:08:56 AM
avp -r designs are shit. I am completely and utterly shocked that Anderson and strauses claim to be such fans yet neglect to pull out the ALIEN ( not ALIENS >:() original designs and execute them. why always something new or different. i blame James Cameron. he simply started the trend of changing the design. Predator didn't do it in Predator 2 ( it was a different looking predator but the elder was based on the original designs mold, therefore giving a good impression that predator with all look a little different) . Aliens never gave a reason for the difference.
Comic books and vg's are not canon.
i only asking the alien design to go back to the orginal because every other progressive alien design gets worse ( exception of alien 3 ( giger was the reason that wasn't totally a piece of crap)
Predalien design is so horrible. I like the implied predalien. i think my imagination is better than ADI. But not giger lol. Alien 1 was the only time were the design of the monster was more messed up than then what i thought it be. Predator too , but that wasn't spectaclur
yea but dude, cameron's design is based on the warrior right? when they come out of humans they look and act different than when they incubate in other species of animals. they're bigger, 7 ft tall with the ridges on the head. they look good to me, i like the big, bulky alien design. looks more badass to me than a little squirmy rat that scuttles around like an insect(A3). hey the most important thing is they brought back the aliens elephantlike screeches! lol
Would've been better if they went back further.
listen up there bud if you were anykind of fan of aliens you would realize that they differ in shape and size from different species and gender. I am sick to death of people ragging on what it should or shouldn't look like. How do you know what they are going to look like? Did you create the alien image? As far as I am concerned I think they all look great, at least they are making more movies for us to see that have them in. Granted they will never be able to reproduce the originality of the first movies in both series but hey beggars cant be choosers and untill we are all filthy rich and can start making these movies the way we think they should be made I suggest we take what we can get
How about - no.
I am really not a fan of the 'take what you can get' mentality. I'd rather take nothing than shit.
And similar to what you've said previously - who says we're beggars?
Quote from: PRAETORIANMONSTER on Oct 02, 2007, 12:59:05 AM
yea but dude, cameron's design is based on the warrior right?
Cameron's design was based on the original, with very slight changes made to allow the actors a greater and quicker range of movement.
Quotewhen they come out of humans they look and act different than when they incubate in other species of animals.
That's right. Which makes it weird that these ones looks so dramatically different to those which emerged from Kane and the colonists, doesn't it?
Quotehey the most important thing is they brought back the aliens elephantlike screeches! lol
That's rather... Low down in my own list of preferences.
Quote from: msn_recon_marine on Oct 02, 2007, 05:19:24 AM
listen up there bud if you were anykind of fan of aliens you would realize that they differ in shape and size from different species and gender.
What gender? Unless you mean the Queen, which is deliberate in its departure of design.
Aliens should look uniform in design, when coming from the same species. These ones look
very different to those in '
Alien' and '
Aliens'. These haven't even got properly ridged heads. They're slated.
QuoteI am sick to death of people ragging on what it should or shouldn't look like. How do you know what they are going to look like? Did you create the alien image?
If you're trying to say that ADI did, HR Giger's lawyers would probably like a word with you. :)
We know what a decent Alien design looks like, because we've seen countless stills and models based on what were seen in the original films. If people who make plastic models and posed toys can repllicate those original designs in such fantastic detail, why can't a professional studio do so, who are being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for that precise reason?
QuoteAs far as I am concerned I think they all look great, at least they are making more movies for us to see that have them in. Granted they will never be able to reproduce the originality of the first movies in both series but hey beggars cant be choosers and untill we are all filthy rich and can start making these movies the way we think they should be made I suggest we take what we can get
I'm not detesting the new designs, but I feel I should be able to express my confusion at why we're sitting here and are seeing what we can only presume to be 'money shots' of these creatures, done for publicity, with not a single one of them able to reproduce
technology from the eighties. Doesn't that strike you as a little odd, by now?
Show me something from what we've seen of this new film, which even comes close to these pictures:
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And two of
those were suits designed for stunts and having parts of them blown away, not for prolonged camera views.
We are still not seeing that sort of authentic detail. This is 1980s technology. We should be seeing perfect renditions of what's above.
Quote from: SM on Oct 02, 2007, 05:43:22 AM
And similar to what you've said previously - who says we're beggars?
Exactly. I certainly didn't ask for a sequel, nor did I ask for the Aliens to be shit again. The only thing I ever begged for was that they make th Aliens look like Aliens, and they failed.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 02, 2007, 05:50:10 AM
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Among the other discrepancies this is also worth noting: notice;
NO ridiculously large neck to hide stunt-man's head...
Actually, side-on the head is indeed massive.
For a neck that doesn't look retarded, see Alien. They had Bolaji's head inside the Alien's, so as to hide the bulge. Now that we've got a bunch of short-asses in the suit, the head has to sit on top of the actor's, so it looks stupid.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 02, 2007, 09:11:29 AM
Actually, side-on the head is indeed massive.
Yes...but never once in
Aliens can you tell that it is...the elongated shoulders do a well enough job at hiding it, also the angles Cameron used...but like I said
in-film you can never tell...which is a huge departure from what we are seeing in
AvP-R...
I have an ALIENS style warrior costume myself. The neck is the same size as my head. It fits well and hides behind the front of the mouth. But the design from Alien: Res to AVP-R hmm... well it isnt soo good. I agree that they should have used older designs and maybe have used taller slender actor(s) to play the parts!
But it will never be unless FOX and ADI realise what the fans want..
Bri ???
Whoa, long time, no speak. Where've you been? :o
Hey!! Ah moved house man, JUST got my broadband on today!!! I need to catch up with all the latest ALIEN and PRED gossip lol
Bri ;D
Quote from: SiL on Oct 02, 2007, 05:39:27 AM
I am really not a fan of the 'take what you can get' mentality. I'd rather take nothing than shit.
You mean you'd rather take nothing than something that looks cool but looks different.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 02, 2007, 08:28:47 PM
You mean you'd rather take nothing than something that looks cool but looks different.
I do believe my exact word was 'shit', and I truly do mean 'shit'. It's not the Alien, it's a walking turd which gained minimal sentience and a propensity to squeal like a bitch for no reason.
Quote
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look at the shoulders, is this alien just a stuntsuit because it looks suspicious to me that the shoulder has no suit-piece on it.
That would be cheap.
And yet look at AvPR's stunt suits. That one may as well be a hero suit.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 02, 2007, 08:37:48 PM
And yet look at AvPR's stunt suits. That one may as well be a hero suit.
Yeahh, the alien is getting shot in the scene, still looks cheap to me.
The only reason it looks cheap is because of the spandex, and even then you can only see it because of the sudden bright flash. Heck, the spandex itself isn't so bad, it's just where it joins with the latex.
Looks better than the hero AvPR suits.
QuoteLooks better than the hero AvPR suits.
We only saw them in cheap production photos, in the trailer i couldnt say which was an stunt suit and not, they all looked fine to me.
That single shot of a stunt suit being shot at looks better than all the AvPR Alien footage we've seen, IMO. Firstly, it looks like an Alien. Secondly, it doesn't have a ridiculously huge rubbery neck. Thirdly, it looks like an Alien.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 02, 2007, 08:58:21 PM
That single shot of a stunt suit being shot at looks better than all the AvPR Alien footage we've seen, IMO.
Ok thats just being a little ridiculous. Yes the design from Aliens is better than this one, but its Stan Winston we are talking about, of course its going to look better. But the design in AVP-R is not that bad. Its better than the design from Alien Res and the last AVP for sure. Its not as bad as you say it is.
if anyone expects a perfect design then your not very smart nor will you ever be happy at least the design isen't horrible
Quote from: Hybrid PM on Oct 02, 2007, 09:20:04 PM
Its not as bad as you say it is.
Yeah, it is. It's a new head and neck on the same body as the last movie. It's everything I ever disliked about the new designs, with even more for me to dislike.
Alright well have fun disliking it dude.
Quotelook at the shoulders, is this alien just a stuntsuit because it looks suspicious to me that the shoulder has no suit-piece on it.
That would be cheap.
It's stunt suit that would've been visible for less than a second. So under normal circumstances you couldn't tell the difference.
Quote from: SM on Oct 02, 2007, 11:56:41 PM
Quotelook at the shoulders, is this alien just a stuntsuit because it looks suspicious to me that the shoulder has no suit-piece on it.
That would be cheap.
It's stunt suit that would've been visible for less than a second. So under normal circumstances you couldn't tell the difference.
yea, the aliens are going to be whipping around and leaping around a lot. i'm pretty sure they will look quite terrifying any which way you cut it.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 02, 2007, 08:36:08 PM
look at the shoulders, is this alien just a stuntsuit because it looks suspicious to me that the shoulder has no suit-piece on it.
Yes, that was my point. Even that, a suit
designed not only for executing stunts, but for literally having parts of the torso blown off (as it does, a few frames later), looks better than the most recent suits we've seen in
publicity stills - where they're posed or in close-ups at the camera.
These are the 'money shots', deliberately used because they're supposed to be representative of the very best of what's in the film in question.
The same goes for the head in the elevator. That's one designed for blowing pieces off, too. In fact, you can see there's a big hole right through it, but the smoothness, tubes and cables are immaculate, compared to the professional sculpts,
made in 2007, of ADI's stuff.
It's no good saying, "Ah, well, that was Stan Winston Studios, of course they're better."
We're talking about 1986 technology! This should
not be difficult to reproduce!
More to the point, we know it's not. There are plenty of individual fans and model kit developers who have proven themselves able of doing precisely that, for a fraction of the budget ADI apparently had.
If they can do it, then a professional special effects company should be able to.
Especially one which prides itself on being involved in several of the actual films in that franchise.
This doesn't mean to say I'm highly pissed off at what we'll see. I think the new ones are a lot better than we
could have got, but again... I'm within my rights to vocalise my disappointment that the designs we're getting aren't of a similar visual quality of even stunt props made in the eighties.
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lmao @ Wolf stopping a bullet ;D
I really don't have a problem with the new design, looks fine to me, I think that were going to keep on seeing beastlike for awhile too.
I like the designs of the warrior aliens for this movie. Maybe the mouths open a little too wide but their my fave since "Aliens".
Sil if you dont like what your seen well then F UCK OFF
Quote from: dallevalle on Nov 23, 2007, 11:20:10 PM
Sil if you dont like what your seen well then F UCK OFF
U SAID IT!
^ I agree let him keep on watching his Alien tapes down in his basement, nothing will every satisfy him. I do think they spiced up the alien designs and I think the best since Aliens too. Sure the mouths might make them look like there smileing but woopy f**king doo, thats not going to stop me from looking at a well decent put alien.
lol, a smiling alien is creepy, lik of an alien staring molly down, no1 around in site, and the alien is grining at her...grining............then molly goes super sayian...oops, got carried away...
but really, just a quick poll, is there ANYTHING in this ENTIRE MOVIE that everyone agrees on??? is there ANY aspect of this movie that no1 is complaining about?...just wondering...
It'd actually be remarkably easy to make me happy with this movie, but noooo, I'm some big bad boogey man who could never like anything other than the originals. ::)
^^ sorry sil, no offence, but u dont come across as being eazy to please when it comes 2 this movie...(thats a good thing tho, u bring up alot of good points during ur posting that need 2 be confronted, tho i usually disagree with u)
Like I said, if they'd got a few key aspects right I'd be loving this movie. But they didn't.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 24, 2007, 03:38:23 AM
It'd actually be remarkably easy to make me happy with this movie, but noooo, I'm some big bad boogey man who could never like anything other than the originals. ::)
I always thought that with the third Alien film, ADI did a great job on that Alien. Granted, the transparent shell has a ribbed head underneath, but it was a detailed and menacing homage to the original...I don't see why they haven't been able to do that in the other films. I think ADI is seriously at the point where they could be cut from working on future films due to this stupid "improvement policy" that seems to go back to the originals anyway when they massively screw up like in
Resurrection.
But then again, that'd require 20th Century to give a damn about quality...
They do got a lot of good key aspects in this movie, nice alien heads, returning to the old screeching sounds, alien movements, the mood, so much great stuff!
QuoteThey do got a lot of good key aspects in this movie, nice alien heads, returning to the old screeching sounds, alien movements, the mood, so much great stuff!
This is stuff every film involving an Alien should get right. That isn't so much an innovation as it is giving the viewers what they deserve. You can retread the old as much as possible, but if you don't change a few things it stagnates.
That rings with irony when I type it...ADI follows the same principle yet they steadily make the designs B-grade, and even though Anderson's
Alien vs. Predator was a creative abortion he at least tried to change things up.
I think they look alright, although I'm partial to the smooth-heads, as opposed to the ridge-heads. But, they both look pretty cool, and given that there is an explanation for the ridges, they make some sense.
Quote from: Plokoon111 on Nov 24, 2007, 03:59:48 AM
They do got a lot of good key aspects in this movie, nice alien heads, returning to the old screeching sounds, alien movements, the mood, so much great stuff!
Those things are positives and I actually like the fact they are included in the film, but they are minor compared to the things that are f**ked up, like the predalien and the new reproductive cycle, which unequivocally is god-awful and nonsensical.
THe pred alien and reproduction is not messed up? So add that to the positive list.
Some people just can handle change man its just a fact!
Oh, we can handle change. Most people like the quadruped-born Alien of the third film, and most will tell you the CGI Queen in Alien vs. Predator looked much more streamlined than the original. Our issue isn't with change. It's when the change looks shoddy, laughable, or generally ridiculous.
Change is fine.
Change for change's sake, and when it comes out look awful or pisses on what came before it, is bad.
Whats the explanation for the ridges?
"It looks cooler in the earth setting".
QuoteCGI Queen in Alien vs. Predator looked much more streamlined than the original. Our issue isn't with change. It's when the change looks shoddy, laughable,
No way, Tyrana queen rex doesnt beat the orignal queen.
"It looks cooler in the earth setting".Did Colin or any avp r staff confirm that Sil?
QuoteNo way, Tyrana queen rex doesnt beat the orignal queen.
And her AVPR descendants are better simply because they have ribbed heads? The original Queen was sluggish and insectoid. That worked for the capabilities of the time, but everyone working on the Alien Queen in Cameron's film reflects upon it now as limited by the designs and mechanics of the time. Even Cameron mentioned that he would have liked to see what Giger could have done with the Alien Queen had he not had artistic pride over the matter (even though Giger later said he liked the Queen design).
Sans the giant raptor legs, the Giger principle of streamlining a design to look organic without compromising the biomechanical design was preserved with the
Alien vs. Predator incarnation. Since the AVPR designs are marginally different in design from AVP (which, in turn, are marginally different from the Queen design due to the elaborate emphasis on detail with the Queens), they reflect upon the Queen you don't seem to like far more than her predecessor.
I also doubt we would have all this complaining over the Predalien if it looked anything like Anderson's Queen, or at least ditched the PredaBoobies.
QuoteDid Colin or any avp r staff confirm that Sil?
I believe they did, in the mini-war over the transparent shell in
Alien as opposed to the ribbed heads of
Aliens and
Alien3.
Oh so he did. Interesting.
I did like the queen design, best thing in that movie besides the pred alien. But it reminded me of Jurrasic Park when the queen started to rampage down that hallway. It was just to big, I can understand that the ALIENs queen was 2 weeks or something old.
A lot of people really took to her prancing around as a CG monster...I wasn't one of them. I think the design is nice, but something about how exaggerated her legs are really puts me off. If they would have just made her look less like a Jurrasic Park ripoff, it could have worked just dandy. As it stands, the only scenes with her after she frees herself that I like are where her legs can't be seen.
I enjoyed the Queen in AVP.
I enjoyed the queen as well, she was just to tall IMHO.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 24, 2007, 03:43:35 AM
Like I said, if they'd got a few key aspects right I'd be loving this movie. But they didn't.
same here. to be honest if only the creatures would be done right, i think i would be satisfied with everything there and would closed my eyes at every major flaw of this movie instantly i guess, because i like the slaher gore movie take on this in some way. but adi designs fu*ks up everything pretty well, and from production stills, real pics and actual footage monsters are unfortunately laughable.
They have long snouts from the side IMO, but other than that I don't find the design that horrible. Sure its not as good as the original, but then again, what is.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 24, 2007, 09:25:55 AM
Sure its not as good as the original, but then again, what is.
aliens design, alien3 design, and even alien resurrection design, if you accept the unnatural mutation of human and alien dna concpet.
I kinda like the design, it's original, and prolly one of the largest changes we've seen yet.
Quote from: warneford87 on Sep 27, 2007, 08:59:04 PM
Why o why do they keep using the rubbish alien design from Alien Resurrection (even if it has a ridged head this time)? One look at the poster and you can see the alien looks all wrong, like it has an elongated snout and it's mouth is all baggy.
Will these people ever learn?
and the teeth are 2mm too long and the tails are too short....give me a break. if you dont like the alien design, dont go see the movie.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 24, 2007, 09:25:55 AM
They have long snouts from the side IMO, but other than that I don't find the design that horrible. Sure its not as good as the original, but then again, what is.
I miss that Alien design in your sig
;)
Personally I think this is one of those fanboy thing. Casual viewers won't notice.
This is true.
I'd love to see Giger's Alien (design wise) go up against a Winston Predator. It'd be the single most beautiful monster mash in the long fun history of monster mashes.
I miss the hands. While not deadly looking as the 'claw' hands, I think they are way more cool looking.
They remind me of Klaus Kinski in Herzog's remake of Nosferatu. Although to be honest, I don't think there's a single Alien design where I've been too crash-hot on the hands. The shot in the vents of the Alien...
I never thought the hands were all that bad (aside from A:R)
I think Alien 3 had some pretty consistently well done hands. But then they went supersized and ruined it :(
The first alien that gets killed by Wolf's whip in the Store Showdown looks ugly. :P
I agree that the alien design in AVP-R sucks. In fact, it's my least favorite of the franchise, (probably tied with Alien: Res). The rather bulbous neck and screwed-up jaw/mouth are two most egregious aspects of the design, IMO. Also, the aliens look way too fat in many of the shots from what we've seen so far...
Aliens design in AvP R is the coolest of all(exept Aliens),but there's still something wrong in their heads.I should open a topic for this.