Die hard fan as much of the rest of you are. But I smell a disaster in the making.
It's sizing up like the Alien prequels to me.
Shane Black returning to the universe just like Ridley...refreshing 'new take' on the series...the leaked script sounding pretty exotic.
This is a slight rant but share your predictions and if someone can get me amped for this film I'd greatly appreciate it. Right now I refuse to get my hopes up as I did for the Alien films, you may fool me once fox (prometheus), and twice (covenant), and you probably will fool me for a third time because I'm already too deep in the rabit hole with these films!!!
This film won't have expectations to the level of the Alien franchise and Ridley Scott. Most people on the street wouldn't even know who Shane Black is. If anything, I think it has more going for it.
Honestly, i don't think it will be a masterpiece or the better predator movie ever. But i do think that it can be a very entertaining movie, with good pacing and acting. If well executed, it can give us some memorable scenes.
Regarding the predator mythology, i think it can add some interesting stuff, and some other dispensable stuff too. It's what i expect, not the better predator movie ever, but heavy doses of fun, badass stuff, funny lines, some gore and great action sequences with good directing and editing. I think we can get that with Shane Black.
If we do, i'll be delighted. If not, i'll be fair and objective regarding what went wrong, and if the movie deserves to be atomized, i'll atomize the f**ker.
Depending on how much has changed from the leaked script to the filming script, I wont be surprised in the slightest if the "true fans" just absolutely loathe the film.
Hopefully, though, enough of the finer details have been refined enough to make it the fun experience it has the potential to be. There was plenty in that script that I enjoyed.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2017, 08:26:36 AM
Depending on how much has changed from the leaked script to the filming script, I wont be surprised in the slightest if the "true fans" just absolutely loathe the film.
Hopefully, though, enough of the finer details have been refined enough to make it the fun experience it has the potential to be. There was plenty in that script that I enjoyed.
There was a lot of good stuff, but the ammount of absurdity was overwhelming.
I don't think this will flop. Every predator film has made some money and none have been flops. Predators was decent but not a great predator film honestly. It had a budget of 40 million and did something like 127 WW. Not too bad. I Honestly think it will do about as good as predators. If it has lots a great action and gets well received, good word of mouth, it could do a little better imo. :)
I haven't read the script yet, but I'm vary tempted to. Last time I read Predators script and I think I spoiled myself a little with expectations. I have heard that a portion of the story takes place in suburbia. That setting has me excited and I'm kind of interested in a film that takes it back to the city. Honestly the city and suburbs sound like it could be real interesting.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2017, 08:26:36 AM
Depending on how much has changed from the leaked script to the filming script, I wont be surprised in the slightest if the "true fans" just absolutely loathe the film.
Hopefully, though, enough of the finer details have been refined enough to make it the fun experience it has the potential to be. There was plenty in that script that I enjoyed.
I didn't (and won't till I've seen the movie) read it. Did Raka'a Thewi have a view?
I'm looking forward to it. I love Shane Black films usually and I don't see any reason to doubt he'll do a good jog again.
I judge films on there own merits rather than what's come before so I don't get too fixated on what a Predator movie should or shouldn't be like. Same with Alien movies.
I am a hardcore, long-term fan of Predator/Aliens vs. Predator
I am willing to entertain change, but that really depends on the direction of the change.
Three-legged freaks and mutant super hybrid-preds running around the suburbs sounds f**king horrible.
I'll admit when you first read it, it's kinda weird. But when you think about the execution, the pacing, dialogue etc... If it goes well, it could be really cool too. Never seen action sequences of this type in a predator movie with great directing, why not ?
When is it coming out again?
Coulda, woulda, shoulda...
"at the end [of Predator], with the burned up clearing where the explosion happens, the film [Predator 2] opens there and the Predator's invisible feet come into view and a hand plunges down into the dust, into the ashes, and brings up the Predator's arm and then activates the computer and get's a readout to see everything that had happened up to that time, focusing on Arnold, and "this is my target." We went from there and we had to think of how to bring Arnold back into it.""
I'll wait to see this one on RedBox/Netflix. Anything sans Arnold isn't a sequel at this point in the game. Pred 2 was legit. The movies after that have blown holes in the ship. And here we go again, with yet another opportunity squandered so some average director can be the "smartest guy" in the room and give his "vision" for Predator and "take it in a new direction".
Hint, Hint. Go watch Blade Runner 2049. No "new direction". Just continue the story with good story-telling, expand a bit...H. Ford's role was perfect.
But god forbid, the Instgram/Twitter/FaceBook-culture wouldn't like such a thing (ala Blade Runner 2049-suffered in box office money).
Quote from: Original Predator on Nov 14, 2017, 04:01:18 PM
Anything sans Arnold isn't a sequel at this point in the game.
Do you have reasoning as to why that is?
QuoteBut god forbid, the Instgram/Twitter/FaceBook-culture wouldn't like such a thing (ala Blade Runner 2049-suffered in box office money).
The marketing of 2049 is what failed the film - not one trailer actually told you the plot of the damn movie. As far as I can tell it was about Ryan Gosling looking for someone to ask questions. That's it. Not sure what that has to do with social media.
Quote from: Hollywood on Nov 14, 2017, 04:17:37 PM
Quote from: Original Predator on Nov 14, 2017, 04:01:18 PM
Anything sans Arnold isn't a sequel at this point in the game.
Do you have reasoning as to why that is?
I think because the brand has become so diluted... most people associate Predator with Arnold. Like a lot of people (well a lot of people outside of this forum), I was hoping Arnold would be in this one - if only as an advisor or torch hander. But, interestingly, he declined
because of those reasons - he wanted to be far more involved than just a post-credits set up for a possible sequel.
I don't know what to make of the comments on the new movie - I've not read the script as I don't want it spoiled, but a lot of of what I read on here is very negative.
I wish they had consulted with Arnold (all right, he's an actor so he's always going to say "It's good, but it needs more of me in in it") and done something that acknowledged Val Verde, LA and maybe even the Game Preserve and move onto something new from there.
There were some great ideas for a sequel on this very forum - setting it in the Gulf or Afghanistan or ANother war torn place (tragically there are many to choose from) and have the Predator downed by the airforce and being hunted as opposed to being the hunter for once - I really liked that one.
But I just think having Arnold's involvement legitimises it - or would have, if you see what I mean.
Quote from: Russ on Nov 14, 2017, 04:28:09 PM
But I just think having Arnold's involvement legitimises it - or would have, if you see what I mean.
Yeah, Terminator 3 and SegaGENYSis were legit. :-X
I thought they were both OK to be honest. I really liked both of them for their own reasons. But that's just my view.
Quote from: Russ on Nov 14, 2017, 04:28:09 PM
I think because the brand has become so diluted... most people associate Predator with Arnold.
Seems like it got diluted because the AVP films added confusion/garbage to the time line with questions on what should or shouldn't be ignored. Also because of the many years that have gone by without any sequels that have been "eventized." People associate it with Arnold because the original is by far the least divisive film featuring the Predator, but why does that mean he is the key to success? He's not, I think good execution is the key, something the sequels have lacked. If Arnold was the key to success then Terminator wouldn't be the dumpster fire it is today.
QuoteLike a lot of people (well a lot of people outside of this forum), I was hoping Arnold would be in this one - if only as an advisor or torch hander. But, interestingly, he declined because of those reasons - he wanted to be far more involved than just a post-credits set up for a possible sequel.
True, so I'm glad they didn't give in to his request. He basically parodies himself now, better to just ax his part than put up with that.
QuoteI wish they had consulted with Arnold (all right, he's an actor so he's always going to say "It's good, but it needs more of me in in it") and done something that acknowledged Val Verde, LA and maybe even the Game Preserve and move onto something new from there.
But I just think having Arnold's involvement legitimises it - or would have, if you see what I mean.
If Thomas Jane's interview clears up how the characters meet, who is to say they don't acknowledge something like Val Verde? Still don't think we really need Arnold to make this film feel connected. I agree with you it would have been nice but it's not going to make or break whether this film is established in the franchise. It's not like Jurassic World (as much as I disliked the film) needed to write in Sam Neil or Jeff Goldblum to convince audiences it was a true sequel to the original.
Would any of you gents be kind enough to PM me some direction to find this script?
Quote from: Hollywood on Nov 14, 2017, 05:14:56 PM
Seems like it got diluted because the AVP films added confusion/garbage to the time line ....
What you say make sense, but equally, I'm not so sure Arnold has to parody himself - Have you seen "Aftermath" or "Maggie?" These are really strong performances I thought.
You're right though, of course it doesn't
need Arnold to be good or even successful, but for me it would have been great to see him. Above there were comparisons to T3 and the (Cameron-endorsed lest we forget) T:G... but isn't the big USP of the new Predator movie is that Shane Black is involved?
If he'd decided to write a role for Arnold, I can't see him giving him loads of "I'll be backs" and "Get to the Choppa" lines - the whole deal is that he's an amazing writer - that's the buzz anyway. I dunno - I would have loved to have seen it as I say.
But - its not to be and if this one does well enough for a sequel, he may be too old - he's 70 now, so he'd be what - 72 / 73 by the time it came out.
Unfortunately his recent roles (except in Maggie) were a lot like nods to the audience, gimmicks etc (The Last Stand, Escape Plan, Terminator Genysis, Expendables, Sabotage...).
No I haven't seen Maggie or Aftermath (actually was puzzled when I saw he made those) and that's a fair point - Arnold can turn in serious performances when he wants to. When it comes to his wider audience movies I keep remembering his cheesy smile in Genesys, the Elton John sunglasses gag in T3, and his cringeworthy exchange with Bruce Willis in Expendables 2.
But whether he cheeses it up or not, I still don't think it would be the right move to feature him heavily in the movie. I guess we will never know how much more he wanted to do or whether there was potential for a reasonable compromise. With that detail lost on us, I still agree it would have been nice but also think the franchise can go on well without him.
Shane Black get's way too much love on this site, for this:
2016 The Nice Guys
2015 Edge (TV Movie)
2013 Iron Man 3
2005 Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
The best arguments I've heard for Shane Black are:
"Nice guys was funny and cool!"
And....that's about it.
The whole "Arnold being in Terminator Flops" is irrelevant. You talk out of both sides of your mouth. You defend Shane Black's directing and writing resume....clearly give the director and/writer credit for a good movie, yet can't recognize (or won't) that the terminator bombs were due to a lack of writing/directing.
So "nice guys" was a "good and fun" movie because Ryan Gossling only????
Pick your argument.
Arnold being in an actual predator sequel doesn't guarantee anything. Nobody is saying that. What it does give you tho is a starting point to the story. A good starting point to a good (sequel) story/concept.
Vs. the latter, which have proven to be not a good story/concept.
You guys are completely missing what the first predator and ultimately McTierian (not Arnold) did. It actually created a good story, cat and mouse, there are many elements happening if you critically think about that movie.
The biggest mistake FOX and the fans that lap this stuff up have made is they think the predator is a "creature" in their ensemble of characters. "Throw him in a pyramid and have him kill stuff". "Put him in a small town suburb and have him hunt teenagers", "heck throw some Aliens in there too..."
This aint Jason, this aint Freddy, this aint a who's who of creature's. Mac T, legitimized something with that movie (and I'll give pred 2 props too) and it has since turned it into a "creature feature". So now we got Swamp Man and all of his friends teaming up with humans to fight a super Pred. This is Black's "vision"?????
He didn't learn much from Mac T.
Quote from: Original Predator on Nov 14, 2017, 07:49:49 PM
Shane Black get's way too much love on this site, for this:
2016 The Nice Guys
2015 Edge (TV Movie)
2013 Iron Man 3
2005 Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
The best arguments I've heard for Shane Black are:
"Nice guys was funny and cool!"
And....that's about it.
In addition to simply being a great movie, it was well written and had great characters.
QuoteThe whole "Arnold being in Terminator Flops" is irrelevant. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.
Wrong, I'm simply using Terminator as an example to show that Arnold isn't the element that makes movies credible.
QuoteYou defend Shane Black's directing and writing resume....clearly give the director and/writer credit for a good movie, yet can't recognize (or won't) that the terminator bombs were due to a lack of writing/directing.
Fault in the writing is partially due to the fact that writers have the daunting task of making old man Arnold make any sense whatsoever. Then we get things like "Pops" destroying the original timeline.
QuoteSo "nice guys" was a "good and fun" movie because Ryan Gossling only????
Pick your argument.
If that's what the voices in your head are telling you then sure, but the reality is that the characters and execution of that film made it great.
QuoteArnold being in an actual predator sequel doesn't guarantee anything. Nobody is saying that. What it does give you tho is a starting point to the story. A good starting point to a good (sequel) story/concept.
You ARE saying without him it's impossible to have a credible film though and I disagree.
QuoteVs. the latter, which have proven to be not a good story/concept.
It's not as simple as you claim it is considering the variable that Arnold isn't "Arnold in his prime" anymore.
QuoteYou guys are completely missing what the first predator and ultimately McTierian (not Arnold) did. It actually created a good story, cat and mouse, there are many elements happening if you critically think about that movie.
No one is missing that the first film is great. Are you saying you want a rehash?
QuoteThe biggest mistake FOX and the fans that lap this stuff up have made is they think the predator is a "creature" in their ensemble of characters. "Throw him in a pyramid and have him kill stuff". "Put him in a small town suburb and have him hunt teenagers", "heck throw some Aliens in there too..."
This aint Jason, this aint Freddy, this aint a who's who of creature's. Mac T, legitimized something with that movie (and I'll give pred 2 props too) and it has since turned it into a "creature feature". So now we got Swamp Man and all of his friends teaming up with humans to fight a super Pred. This is Black's "vision"?????
He didn't learn much from Mac T.
Expanding the universe beyond Dutch doesn't mean you're throwing The Predator into just any plot and hoping for gold. Don't know why that's how you see things.
1. If you believe Nice Guys is "great" your definition of a "great" movie and mine are vastly different.
2. I agree Arnold isn't the element that makes anything credible (pretty sure I said that a couple times). Arnold = good movie is False, Arnold = bad movie is also false. AKA Arnold also isn't the element that makes movies NOT credible (your premise)
3. Fault in writing is fault- in- writing plain and simple. Your definition, again, of "daunting" task is different than mine. They actually did fine explaining an "old" Arnold Terminator, the rest of the writing after that was horrible. As if that's more "daunting" than having Predators in pants working for the Gov't, teaming up with antagonists, cause that's more believable and less daunting?
4. The "voices in my head" are telling me you can't have your cake and eat it too. The Pro- "The Predator" folks are telling me to like this script and give only "The nice Guys" to justify the leaked script. "He's a great director" = "this is a great script" = "this will be a great movie". Yet argue that Arnold ruined Post T2's, not the director or the writer???
5. I'm saying without Arnold. It's hard to trust a Predator movie (AVP, AVP 2, Predators) premise (key word), because so many plot lines have been ignored. Credibility IS lost with this franchise. Plain and simple. Unless you think AVP, AVP 2 and Predators were credible films to this franchise???
6. Arnold doesn't need to be in his prime to pass the torch or assist another actor in investigating/hunting/defeating a Predator. Is there only one type of movie this can be? You can't be that shortsighted to think there is only one-type/style of action/sci-fi movie. Blade Runner 2049 set the bar for bringing back Ford, old age and all, and how to use him. (In fact too bad T-Genysis writers couldn't think up something as simple as the writers for BR2049 figured in bringing back an aged replicant-Deckard, they seemed to take on that "daunting" task just fine)
7.I don't want to rehash the first film. I'm saying after reading the leaked script and the sh-tty plans Black has for this film, is ignoring all elements that made the first film great. Which is a major concern (legitimate I'd say), considering the last 3 bombs went down the same road Black is choosing to take. At the end of all of this my take is "Predator" should be viewed as a standalone film and Predator 2 a worthy sequel. After that this isn't a "franchise" or a "universe" Pred, or Pred 2 aren't connected to these other movies (don't care about the minor Keyes/gov't connection Black is using).
8. Expanding the Universe beyond Dutch is fine. In fact it's what I was hoping for with The Predator. Considering the HUGE plot-holes FOX has let happen over time and with failed movies AVP, AVP2(R) and Predators, I'd say it's fairly obvious THEY/FOX actually were throwing the Predator (creature) into just any plot and hoping for gold, and so is Black for that matter. Don't know how you don't see that?
Bottom line is the script is comic-book like at best. It will be a good rental movie for me. And in this day in age-internet and all, me making the decision to not like the movie (via the script) and NOT pay theatre money before it's released is perfectly reasonable (just as it is you read the script and determine the movie is good and pay theatre money to see it). The leaked script on this site, is very clear, detailed and concise. I have ZERO qualms saying I think it's going to be yet another failed creature movie. Maybe 4th time's a charm for FOX, finally figuring out that Predator isn't a "creature" they can add bubble-gum too. Maybe they call Mac T and say something like "Hey man we thought this Pred creature was like Jason and Freddy and Swamp Thing, but apparently it's different? What are we missing???"
Guys, don't throw BR2049 spoilers around! Its still fairly fresh and not all of us seen it yet.
Quote from: Original Predator on Nov 14, 2017, 10:19:47 PM
1. If you believe Nice Guys is "great" your definition of a "great" movie and mine are vastly different.
And? Yeah it was in my top 5 movies of 2016 along with Arrival, Hacksaw Ridge, Hell or High Water and Deadpool. What were your top 5?
Quote2. I agree Arnold isn't the element that makes anything credible (pretty sure I said that a couple times). Arnold = good movie is False,
You said "Anything sans Arnold isn't a sequel at this point in the game."
QuoteArnold = bad movie is also false. AKA Arnold also isn't the element that makes movies NOT credible (your premise)
Not at all what I said. My direct quotes: "Still don't think we really need Arnold to make this film feel connected.
I agree with you it would have been nice but it's not going to make or break whether this film is established in the franchise"
"I know I would've liked to see him make an appearance."
Quote3. Fault in writing is fault- in- writing plain and simple.
I disagree, intricate details are important. The writers were set up for failure from the start in having to write the film completely around an aged Arnold. Another actor should have taken over long ago.
QuoteYour definition, again, of "daunting" task is different than mine. They actually did fine explaining an "old" Arnold Terminator, the rest of the writing after that was horrible. As if that's more "daunting" than having Predators in pants working for the Gov't, teaming up with antagonists, cause that's more believable and less daunting?
It made no sense because the paradoxes Pops created were impossible to ignore, they let his involvement dictate the story which led to a very very bad film. It could have been executed better, sure, but it wasn't.
Quote4. The "voices in my head" are telling me you can't have your cake and eat it too. The Pro- "The Predator" folks are telling me to like this script and give only "The nice Guys" to justify the leaked script. "He's a great director" = "this is a great script" = "this will be a great movie". Yet argue that Arnold ruined Post T2's, not the director or the writer???
Who told you to like the script? Sure wasn't me despite you saying for me to "pick my argument." Also you gave more examples than the nice guys to justify Shane Black's talent before while also leaving out the Lethal Weapon movies, so let's not pretend one film is all we're basing his talent on. And sure, I'll go ahead and say the director ruined T3 and Genesys by allowing the films to be made around Arnold's characters.
Quote5. I'm saying without Arnold. It's hard to trust a Predator movie (AVP, AVP 2, Predators) premise (key word), because so many plot lines have been ignored. Credibility IS lost with this franchise. Plain and simple. Unless you think AVP, AVP 2 and Predators were credible films to this franchise???
Nope, you said "Anything sans Arnold isn't a sequel at this point in the game." You include The Predator in that claim because Arnold isn't in it. And thats an opinion from someone who hasn't seen even a trailer of The Predator. If anything is not credible, it's your argument.
Quote6. Arnold doesn't need to be in his prime to pass the torch or assist another actor in investigating/hunting/defeating a Predator. Is there only one type of movie this can be? You can't be that shortsighted to think there is only one-type/style of action/sci-fi movie. Blade Runner 2049 set the bar for bringing back Ford, old age and all, and how to use him. (In fact too bad T-Genysis writers couldn't think up something as simple as the writers for BR2049 figured in bringing back an aged replicant-Deckard, they seemed to take on that "daunting" task just fine)
Agreed he doesn't have to be in his prime to pass the torch, but we don't know what Arnold would want in order to be involved - and bottom line is that he isn't the writer, filmmaker, producer, or even the same action star he used to be. When has a filmmaker compromising to the demands of the studio or over-accommodation of the actors ever resulted in a movie that works?
Quote7.I don't want to rehash the first film. I'm saying after reading the leaked script and the sh-tty plans Black has for this film, is ignoring all elements that made the first film great. Which is a major concern (legitimate I'd say), considering the last 3 bombs went down the same road Black is choosing to take. At the end of all of this my take is "Predator" should be viewed as a standalone film and Predator 2 a worthy sequel. After that this isn't a "franchise" or a "universe" Pred, or Pred 2 aren't connected to these other movies (don't care about the minor Keyes/gov't connection Black is using).
What elements made the first film great that you're so sure this film won't have? This film has the potential to have great action, characters, kills, suspense, dialogue, and effects. Specifically, what is definitely going to be missing other than Arnold?
Quote8. Expanding the Universe beyond Dutch is fine. In fact it's what I was hoping for with The Predator. Considering the HUGE plot-holes FOX has let happen over time and with failed movies AVP, AVP2(R) and Predators, I'd say it's fairly obvious THEY/FOX actually were throwing the Predator (creature) into just any plot and hoping for gold, and so is Black for that matter. Don't know how you don't see that?
I don't see that because Black had this script written specifically for the Predator. They didn't write the Predator into it after already having a script.
QuoteBottom line is the script is comic-book like at best. It will be a good rental movie for me. And in this day in age-internet and all, me making the decision to not like the movie (via the script) and NOT pay theatre money before it's released is perfectly reasonable (just as it is you read the script and determine the movie is good and pay theatre money to see it). The leaked script on this site, is very clear, detailed and concise. I have ZERO qualms saying I think it's going to be yet another failed creature movie. Maybe 4th time's a charm for FOX, finally figuring out that Predator isn't a "creature" they can add bubble-gum too. Maybe they call Mac T and say something like "Hey man we thought this Pred creature was like Jason and Freddy and Swamp Thing, but apparently it's different? What are we missing???"
True your opinion to dislike the film before it's a film, or to ignore it is totally within your right. Still disagree with the claim that "Anything sans Arnold isn't a sequel at this point in the game." This movie is going to count, and Arnold isnt the definitive factor on that.
So.
When is it coming out.
One of the only things I really don't want when it comes to a new Predator movie is, a carbon copy of the original... I want something new and different (expands the Predator mythology), which is also entertaining and fresh. But I do also want it to retain the suspence and horror that the first movie had, the terror of facing up against something thats not from this world.
Truth is no one knows how well this movie is going to be recieved yet, financially and critically... I got faith Shane Black will deliver a well crafted movie, but will it please everyone? I doubt it.
I for one, really looking forward to The Predator! Massive fan of the original and its underrated sequels.
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 14, 2017, 04:45:01 PM
Quote from: Russ on Nov 14, 2017, 04:28:09 PM
But I just think having Arnold's involvement legitimises it - or would have, if you see what I mean.
Yeah, Terminator 3 and SegaGENYSis were legit. :-X
Well said. Arnold's involvement is far from a guarantee for success or quality.
I want something new as well...
I don't want a movie set in the suburbs
Fortunately, it isn't. Part of it taking place in the burbs doesn't equate to it all taking place and that leaked script was nearly a year old.
Watched the Mr H video about the screener. I'm not going to like this I'm banking on it I hated Iron Man 3 with a passion because of all the reasons it sounds like went into the Predator movie.
Man I don't think there will be any going back after this. Not like Alien that you can still fix.
**bends over, grabs knees.
I'm just hoping for a glimpse of a predator being the wheel of a classic car... no, half assed military transport dosen't cut it.
I think that it will do fine both at box office and critics, casual audiences dont think like us, people just want mindless action movies with lots of jokes, that is the trend now, and if the horrible Iron Man 3 is an example of that it should do fine then
Quote from: D88M on Nov 18, 2017, 07:41:58 PM
I think that it will do fine both at box office and critics, casual audiences dont think like us, people just want mindless action movies with lots of jokes, that is the trend now,
You're saying only the people on this site appreciate/want to see movies with depth in story and/or little to no humor? And that critics are the same as casual moviegoers?
If that's what you're saying, then you're wrong.
The only thing saving this movie, is something so drastic it will set a new classic idea for the franchise like the way David was for Alien. Although the concept is old, its the actor that is not. somehow i don't see that happening unless....ARNOLD!!!!! with a BIONIC ARM!!!!
http://omegaunderground.com/2016/10/14/90s-alien-vs-predator-video-game-capcom-based-roland-emmerichs-unused-script/ (http://omegaunderground.com/2016/10/14/90s-alien-vs-predator-video-game-capcom-based-roland-emmerichs-unused-script/)
I was initially excited when I heard Black was directing, given he worked on the original film. However, everything I see or hear about this movie screams to me that it's going to be horrible. But the clincher for me is the damn kid in the movie. I absolutely loathe the fact there's a kid in this movie.
Quote from: BlackMatter169 on Nov 20, 2017, 02:05:36 AM
I absolutely loathe the fact there's a kid in this movie.
Why?
Because
Spoiler
He talks Predator, fly f**king alien spaceship and saves planet earth. See the script.
Again, a script that was nearly a year old by the time the film actually went in front of cameras.
In the first test
Spoiler
the kid doesn't pilot the Predator ship at all.
Yeah, I'm aware. We talked about it earlier.
Spoiler
He still talks Predator though.
Quote from: Master on Nov 20, 2017, 09:36:25 AM
Yeah, I'm aware. We talked about it earlier.
Then it is a null point.
QuoteSpoiler
He still talks Predator though.
And I don't even know if that's a thing still. No-one has mentioned this to me.
How about we wait to watch the finished product before casting a final judgement?
We will, this time next year everything is clear. Judging by the script and what we've seen so far I choose to be cautiously pessimistic. Don't get me wrong, news from test screenings are suggesting it's going the right way, but you can polish the turd so much.
Without knowing how much the budget is, if we speculated 80 million to make the film- what would it need to make to be considered successful? A flop could be a death blow to this franchise.
Quote from: Shaeffer11 on Nov 20, 2017, 06:43:13 PM
Without knowing how much the budget is, if we speculated 80 million to make the film- what would it need to make to be considered successful? A flop could be a death blow to this franchise.
At a 80 million budget plus 20 million for advertising...it would need to make roughly 250 to 300 million around the world.
I swear to god i read somewhere that the budget is rumoured to be around 150 million...
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 20, 2017, 07:29:47 PM
I swear to god i read somewhere that the budget is rumoured to be around 150 million...
No way for a R rated movie....good god that be crazy
Maybe, but Prometheus or Watchmen were big budgets around 130 million which isn't far from 150 million, and R rated too.
Plus, Iron Man 3 has been a really huge box office success, Fox could totally invest a lot of money in this and trust Shane Black to pull it off, as it's presented as an "event" movie apparently (which wasn't the case of The Nice Guys of course).
Black said the budget wasn't that big. It was being treated like an event picture, but wasn't having the spend of an event picture.
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Nov 20, 2017, 07:05:35 PM
At a 80 million budget plus 20 million for advertising...it would need to make roughly 250 to 300 million around the world.
Distribution costs (advertising, etc) are usually one third the total spend of the film, so it'd be around $40million extra. $300m return would still be fine though.
Treated as an event picture but without the financial treatment of an even picture...OK
Quote from: happypred on Nov 24, 2017, 03:33:56 AM
Treated as an event picture but without the financial treatment of an even picture...OK
You dont need a huge budget to make a film feel like an event film. Recent ones include Arrival, 2017's It, The Conjuring movies, Get Out, Deadpool, John Wick, 13 Hours, Split, Baby Driver, Hacksaw Ridge, and Sicario.
I think Black has said he hopes this Predator movie has people buying tickets months in advance and getting people aware of it, rather than it being something they see on a whim.
Quote from: Hollywood on Nov 24, 2017, 05:46:46 AM
Quote from: happypred on Nov 24, 2017, 03:33:56 AM
Treated as an event picture but without the financial treatment of an even picture...OK
You dont need a huge budget to make a film feel like an event film. Recent ones include Arrival, 2017's It, The Conjuring movies, Get Out, Deadpool, John Wick, 13 Hours, Split, Baby Driver, Hacksaw Ridge, and Sicario.
Exactly this. You don't need huge budgets to make "event pictures", you can put enough care, craftsmanship and creativity in a small budget movie and make it something special. And that's what Shane Black was saying all along.
With huge movies bombing and small movies making a ton of money this year, i think we will see a change in the studio system in the future anyway, maybe for our best.
Quote from: Hollywood on Nov 20, 2017, 02:48:45 AM
Quote from: BlackMatter169 on Nov 20, 2017, 02:05:36 AM
I absolutely loathe the fact there's a kid in this movie.
Why?
Because I generally dislike children in movies. It's a rare thing for them to be enjoyable (I say this so no one jumps in and mentions Newt or the Stranger Things kids). And the idea of a kid in a Predator movie leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I imagine ET except it's a predator in the bike basket.
Edit: Also that kid in Iron Man 3 annoyed me as well.
Quote from: BlackMatter169 on Nov 25, 2017, 04:51:53 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on Nov 20, 2017, 02:48:45 AM
Quote from: BlackMatter169 on Nov 20, 2017, 02:05:36 AM
I absolutely loathe the fact there's a kid in this movie.
Why?
Because I generally dislike children in movies. It's a rare thing for them to be enjoyable (I say this so no one jumps in and mentions Newt or the Stranger Things kids). And the idea of a kid in a Predator movie leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I imagine ET except it's a predator in the bike basket.
Edit: Also that kid in Iron Man 3 annoyed me as well.
Did the kids in The Last Boy Scout and Last Action Hero annoyed you also ? They were pretty well written IMHO, and had meaning and impact on the story, even though it's not the same stories.
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Quote from: BlackMatter169 on Nov 25, 2017, 04:51:53 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on Nov 20, 2017, 02:48:45 AM
Quote from: BlackMatter169 on Nov 20, 2017, 02:05:36 AM
I absolutely loathe the fact there's a kid in this movie.
Why?
Because I generally dislike children in movies. It's a rare thing for them to be enjoyable (I say this so no one jumps in and mentions Newt or the Stranger Things kids). And the idea of a kid in a Predator movie leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I imagine ET except it's a predator in the bike basket.
Edit: Also that kid in Iron Man 3 annoyed me as well.
Did the kids in The Last Boy Scout and Last Action Hero annoyed you also ? They were pretty well written IMHO, and had meaning and impact on the story, even though it's not the same stories.
Like I said, I think it's rare that you get well written/acted child characters (hence why I mentioned Newt and the Stranger Things kids). Last Action Hero was definitely an example of a good kid character. And of course this is entirely subjective, I know plenty of people who thought the kid in Iron Man 3 was funny. If this kid in The Predator is good, then I'll be eating crow, but at this point in time I'm thinking having a kid in a predator movie ("Want some candy?" kid doesn't count, I'm talking a kid as a main protagonist) is a bad idea.
A big reason I'm not worried about it is because Tremblay is a fantastic child actor and Shane has a tendency to write youth well.
Good point, plus child actors can be great when the director cares to get the performance needed. Some movies where kids are main protagonists and do awesome jobs are:
Room, IT, Moonlight, The Witch, Wonder, Beasts of No Nation, Oculus, Lion, The Road, Annabelle: Creation, True Grit, Southpaw, The Conjuring, Ransom, Man on Fire, Nice Guys, Beasts of The Southern Wild, Aliens, The Good Son, Stand By Me, A Monster Calls, Donnie Darko, Atonement, Leon the Professional, I Am Sam, The Boy in the Striped Pajamas, The Exorcist, The Emporor's Club, Let the Right One in, 6th Sense.
Way too early to call anything a flop...
But it's a bigger budget take on a franchise that hasnt exactly smashed box office records....
I fear that it might be...
trying to "ice skate uphill"
#wesleysnipes
#blade
Quote from: Hollywood on Nov 26, 2017, 03:26:48 PM
Good point, plus child actors can be great when the director cares to get the performance needed. Some movies where kids are main protagonists and do awesome jobs are:
Room, IT, Moonlight, The Witch, Wonder, Beasts of No Nation, Oculus, Lion, The Road, Annabelle: Creation, True Grit, Southpaw, The Conjuring, Ransom, Man on Fire, Nice Guys, Beasts of The Southern Wild, Aliens, The Good Son, Stand By Me, A Monster Calls, Donnie Darko, Atonement, Leon the Professional, I Am Sam, The Boy in the Striped Pajamas, The Exorcist, The Emporor's Club, Let the Right One in, 6th Sense.
Did the child actor die in any of those films?
So I guess we know who lives at the end of The Predator.
Telegraphed script = Flop
I bet this kid is Wesley Crusher meets Gray Jedi Mary Sue Rey.
Quote from: Vermillion on Nov 27, 2017, 12:46:40 PM
So I guess we know who lives at the end of The Predator.
Telegraphed script = Flop
Arnold survived
Glover survived
Brody survived
dude This isnt Game of Thrones.
Quote from: Vermillion on Nov 27, 2017, 12:46:40 PM
Did the child actor die in any of those films?
So I guess we know who lives at the end of The Predator.
Yes, Vermillion, child actor characters died in
Spoiler
The Witch, Beasts of No Nation, IT, Annabelle: Creation, The Good Son, Donnie Darko, The Boy in the Striped Pajamas, and The Butterfly Effect.
. This list is solely the ones I saw and thought were impressive though, so I'm leaving out other films where kids die. Sorry your desire to have a child killed on screen in a movie where only challenging prey are hunted might not be fulfilled. I hope you enjoy the movie anyway despite the extreme telegraph in possibly knowing a character might live. I sure know I always felt suspense in knowing John McClain, Ethan Hunt, James Bond, Indiana Jones, Wyatt Earp, Frank Castle, Jason Bourne, Aron Ralston, etc. might die halfway through their films.
Quote from: Hollywood on Nov 27, 2017, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Nov 27, 2017, 12:46:40 PM
Did the child actor die in any of those films?
So I guess we know who lives at the end of The Predator.
Yes, Vermillion, child actor characters died in Spoiler
The Witch, Beasts of No Nation, IT, Annabelle: Creation, The Good Son, Donnie Darko, The Boy in the Striped Pajamas, and The Butterfly Effect.
Mmm the kid in The Predator could be some of a challenging prey in a way,
Spoiler
IIRC there was some elements pointing toward that in the end of the script
I'll trust your word and speculate with my imagination but I'm not into reading any more possible spoilers ;)
Quote from: Hollywood on Nov 27, 2017, 05:22:25 PM
I'll trust your word and speculate with my imagination but I'm not into reading any more possible spoilers ;)
Dont worry, i just re-read my post and there was nothing really spoiling, just thought it will be better with a spoiling tag :laugh:
The last line in my post.
Learn it. Know it. Live it.
- Brad Hamilton
https://youtu.be/iMpTg45k38o (https://youtu.be/iMpTg45k38o)
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 27, 2017, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Nov 27, 2017, 12:46:40 PM
So I guess we know who lives at the end of The Predator.
Telegraphed script = Flop
Arnold survived
Glover survived
Brody survived
dude
This isnt Game of Thrones.
I Lol'd :D :D :D
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 27, 2017, 05:36:46 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on Nov 27, 2017, 05:22:25 PM
I'll trust your word and speculate with my imagination but I'm not into reading any more possible spoilers ;)
Dont worry, i just re-read my post and there was nothing really spoiling, just thought it will be better with a spoiling tag :laugh:
Any chance you could PM the script or a place that I could seek out it's whereabouts? I'm very very curious to see how this one ends up changing from script to screen. Just like with Predators.
Quote from: Hollywood on Nov 27, 2017, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Nov 27, 2017, 12:46:40 PM
Did the child actor die in any of those films?
So I guess we know who lives at the end of The Predator.
Yes, Vermillion, child actor characters died in Spoiler
The Witch, Beasts of No Nation, IT, Annabelle: Creation, The Good Son, Donnie Darko, The Boy in the Striped Pajamas, and The Butterfly Effect.
Another good example of child characters dying would be in the movie Mimic. They weren't "main" characters, but they do get murdered pretty hardcore by the bugs.
Okay, I take it back. If this movie ends up being basically Predator vs Kevin from "Home Alone" I'll be thoroughly entertained.
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Quote from: BlackMatter169 on Nov 29, 2017, 02:06:12 AM
Okay, I take it back. If this movie ends up being basically Predator vs Kevin from "Home Alone" I'll be thoroughly entertained.
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:D
"Are they in the jungle or Kevin's house?" Should be the slogan on the poster. lol
I think this is close to how the kid out-smarts the predators in the film.
Quote from: Vermillion on Nov 29, 2017, 03:23:23 AM
Spoiler
I think this is close to how the kid out-smarts the predators in the film.
You might be new but try to use spoiler tags if you're giving away possible plot points/details.
They're not going to kill the precocious child protagonist in the Whacky Screwball Adventure Predator movie.
Quote from: Hollywood on Nov 29, 2017, 05:55:22 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Nov 29, 2017, 03:23:23 AM
Spoiler
I think this is close to how the kid out-smarts the predators in the film.
You might be new but try to use spoiler tags if you're giving away possible plot points/details.
Haha. :)
The kids in the movie It did some good acting.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Nov 28, 2017, 05:57:13 AM
Another good example of child characters dying would be in the movie Mimic.
AvP Requiem
Quote from: happypred on Dec 01, 2017, 11:25:53 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Nov 28, 2017, 05:57:13 AM
Another good example of child characters dying would be in the movie Mimic.
AvP Requiem
And we all know how good that movie turned out...
To me, it's neither appealing, shoking and/or exciting seeing kids die in movies. It's mostly dumb and cheap and that's it.
I actually want the kid to survive, i'm on the bright side of things. The Predator movies were never mean spirited, they were brutal and gory, people die, yes, but it's ultimately innocent popcorn fun. That's part of the reason the rewatch value of these movies go through the roof.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 01, 2017, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: happypred on Dec 01, 2017, 11:25:53 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Nov 28, 2017, 05:57:13 AM
Another good example of child characters dying would be in the movie Mimic.
AvP Requiem
And we all know how good that movie turned out...
To me, it's neither appealing, shoking and/or exciting seeing kids die in movies. It's mostly dumb and cheap and that's it.
I actually want the kid to survive, i'm on the bright side of things. The Predator movies were never mean spirited, they were brutal and gory, people die, yes, but it's ultimately innocent popcorn fun. That's part of the reason the rewatch value of these movies go through the roof.
I really do think we'll be pleasantly surprised with the outcome of the film after it finally comes out. Hoping it does well enough to green light a sequel
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Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Dec 01, 2017, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 01, 2017, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: happypred on Dec 01, 2017, 11:25:53 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Nov 28, 2017, 05:57:13 AM
Another good example of child characters dying would be in the movie Mimic.
AvP Requiem
And we all know how good that movie turned out...
To me, it's neither appealing, shoking and/or exciting seeing kids die in movies. It's mostly dumb and cheap and that's it.
I actually want the kid to survive, i'm on the bright side of things. The Predator movies were never mean spirited, they were brutal and gory, people die, yes, but it's ultimately innocent popcorn fun. That's part of the reason the rewatch value of these movies go through the roof.
I really do think we'll be pleasantly surprised with the outcome of the film after it finally comes out. Hoping it does well enough to green light a sequel
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From what i heard, i think the movie will be fun and i'll like it, but i just have to wait and see.
No movie is perfect for me anyway, there is always stuff i don't like even in my favourite movies ever.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 01, 2017, 01:12:30 PM
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Dec 01, 2017, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 01, 2017, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: happypred on Dec 01, 2017, 11:25:53 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Nov 28, 2017, 05:57:13 AM
Another good example of child characters dying would be in the movie Mimic.
AvP Requiem
And we all know how good that movie turned out...
To me, it's neither appealing, shoking and/or exciting seeing kids die in movies. It's mostly dumb and cheap and that's it.
I actually want the kid to survive, i'm on the bright side of things. The Predator movies were never mean spirited, they were brutal and gory, people die, yes, but it's ultimately innocent popcorn fun. That's part of the reason the rewatch value of these movies go through the roof.
I really do think we'll be pleasantly surprised with the outcome of the film after it finally comes out. Hoping it does well enough to green light a sequel
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From what i heard, i think the movie will be fun and i'll like it, but i just have to wait and see.
No movie is perfect for me anyway, there is always stuff i don't like even in my favourite movies ever.
Yeah that's true, I can be honest though, I don't recall anything in Predator that I disliked and it's by far my favorite movie of all-time since the day it was released
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Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Dec 01, 2017, 01:18:58 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 01, 2017, 01:12:30 PM
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Dec 01, 2017, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 01, 2017, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: happypred on Dec 01, 2017, 11:25:53 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Nov 28, 2017, 05:57:13 AM
Another good example of child characters dying would be in the movie Mimic.
AvP Requiem
And we all know how good that movie turned out...
To me, it's neither appealing, shoking and/or exciting seeing kids die in movies. It's mostly dumb and cheap and that's it.
I actually want the kid to survive, i'm on the bright side of things. The Predator movies were never mean spirited, they were brutal and gory, people die, yes, but it's ultimately innocent popcorn fun. That's part of the reason the rewatch value of these movies go through the roof.
I really do think we'll be pleasantly surprised with the outcome of the film after it finally comes out. Hoping it does well enough to green light a sequel
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From what i heard, i think the movie will be fun and i'll like it, but i just have to wait and see.
No movie is perfect for me anyway, there is always stuff i don't like even in my favourite movies ever.
Yeah that's true, I can be honest though, I don't recall anything in Predator that I disliked and it's by far my favorite movie of all-time since the day it was released
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That's part of the nostalgia and your love for the movie though, you watched it so often you take it for granted what the movie is and never think about what parts could have been made better, eventually.
I love the movie, but i remember seeing it for the first time and not loving it as much as i do today. Don't get me wrong, the first Predator is my personal "Godfather", but no movie is ever so good that you can't do it any better.
And i think that's part of the problem of any fandom, people today expect the movies to be perfect in every single sense, and if they aren't like they imagined it in their heads it's shit. There is no compromising and/or open mindedness anymore.
I agree it will probably be a fun movie, just don't think it will live up to my expectations for what a Predator film should be. Sounds to me it's out with the old and in with the new.
Quote from: DerelictShip on Dec 01, 2017, 01:41:13 PM
I agree it will probably be a fun movie, just don't think it will live up to my expectations for what a Predator film should be. Sounds to me it's out with the old and in with the new.
When was the last time an Alien/Predator movie went the way it should be? lol
Probably more than 20 years ago. We haven't been very luck, doubt that will change now. I will just try to enjoy the movie for what it is.
The movie is not even out yet. I think the movie will do fine since Predators did pretty well over 6 years ago. If the movie has good word of mouth and good marketing, it will do just fine.
Well if you're talking about market success then yeah I think it will do fine there because who doesn't like predator, as for the the success of the fans...I guess we'll just see about that one...
Quote from: DerelictShip on Dec 01, 2017, 07:58:09 PM
Well if you're talking about market success then yeah I think it will do fine there because who doesn't like predator,
Predator doesn't get asses in seats. I'm not saying a Predator movie can't be successful in the 21st century, but the character alone isn't enough to attract an audience. It needs a good marketing campaign to bring people in for a huge opening week or good word of mouth to carry it along. Obviously the most ideal situation is both.
I don't know if a spiritual sequel to The Monster Squad with a couple of
Spoiler
Predators larping as Call of Duty characters fighting an Engineer larping as a Predator
is going to impress people. I don't know, maybe if it's got enough goofy one liners and the tone is kept at the level of a filler episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer it'll hit the MCU sweet spot and do well.
That's not what the movie is.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Dec 02, 2017, 10:21:00 PM
That's not what the movie is.
You're right, I should have put "being brutally butchered by" instead of fighting.
K. Enjoy it in the theater.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Dec 02, 2017, 11:28:04 PM
K. Enjoy it in the theater.
Unless someone who I know has decent taste in movies tells me the movie is worth a shit I'm not giving Fox a penny for this. This has been my policy with every major release since 2015, even for movies that I personally think might be worth two hours of my life.
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Dec 02, 2017, 11:28:04 PM
K. Enjoy it in the theater.
Unless someone who I know has decent taste in movies tells me the movie is worth a shit I'm not giving Fox a penny for this. This has been my policy with every major release since 2015, even for movies that I personally think might be worth two hours of my life.
Dude you're harsh :laugh:, i understand your concern though, but there is plenty of good stuff in the script too honestly.
Quote from: DerelictShip on Oct 30, 2017, 05:38:43 PM
you probably will fool me for a third time because I'm already too deep in the rabit hole with these films!!!
Dude, you just nailed it. This is the truest statement ever made by an Alien/Predator fan, Good Lord. There is something addictive about it, isn't there? Any other series would have been deader than dirt after the one-two punch of the AVP's (especially after Rez, Jesus...) but they're like the Energizer bunny after doing a line of coke the size of the Great Wall. And honestly? Even if The Predator is a giant flop, it won't kill the franchise; nothing can, at this point.
... That makes me happier than it probably should.
Quote from: DerelictShip on Oct 30, 2017, 05:38:43 PM
Die hard fan as much of the rest of you are. But I smell a disaster in the making.
It's sizing up like the Alien prequels to me.
Shane Black returning to the universe just like Ridley...refreshing 'new take' on the series...the leaked script sounding pretty exotic.
This is a slight rant but share your predictions and if someone can get me amped for this film I'd greatly appreciate it. Right now I refuse to get my hopes up as I did for the Alien films, you may fool me once fox (prometheus), and twice (covenant), and you probably will fool me for a third time because I'm already too deep in the rabit hole with these films!!!
I'm with you. This STINKS of disaster. The behind the scenes looks cheap and totally not fitting for a predator story. JUNK. Quick $$$
I've been out of the loop, why do people think it'll flop?
Quote from: Deathbearer on Dec 06, 2017, 02:45:43 PM
I've been out of the loop, why do people think it'll flop?
'Cause the founder of this thread, as well as the other handful of people not liking what they heard so far won't see this movie, hence it will flop.
Also, there just needs to be a "this will flop" thread on every board on every website per movie, we won't break traditions here.
More specifically, there are some concerns with certain concepts that are in the film.
This utterly fresh and new Predator film sounds like an utterly stinky and rotten tomato.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 06, 2017, 04:25:42 PM
More specifically, there are some concerns with certain concepts that are in the film.
You'd think Predator would be pretty hard to get wrong...guess we'll see.
Predator is one of those deceptively simple concepts. The first film is just plain well made. Everything is clicking. The acting, the pacing, the editing, the direction, the cinematagrophy, the visual effects... And we all know how close it came to not being.
Most of us here are similar minded, so I will read the board before going to the theater just to see what the general feedback is. Even if it's horrible I'll probably go see it anyway :P
Oh most definitely, no matter what I'm seeing any alien or predator film, first thing, in theatre.
Unless the trailers really put me off I'm gonna go see it.
Quote from: DerelictShip on Oct 30, 2017, 05:38:43 PM
Die hard fan as much of the rest of you are. But I smell a disaster in the making.
It's sizing up like the Alien prequels to me.
Shane Black returning to the universe just like Ridley...refreshing 'new take' on the series...the leaked script sounding pretty exotic.
This is a slight rant but share your predictions and if someone can get me amped for this film I'd greatly appreciate it. Right now I refuse to get my hopes up as I did for the Alien films, you may fool me once fox (prometheus), and twice (covenant), and you probably will fool me for a third time because I'm already too deep in the rabit hole with these films!!!
Because the predator is more action based that the alien universe (people's perception of the movie is more synonymous with action and less with horror), i dont think will have to worry about living up to the same expectations as alien/aliens.
That being said, as long as the movie has a decent plot there shouldn't be any reason why this movie wouldn't do well.
Predators supposedly being chummy with humans and living on earth with them is going to really make them a laughing stock and split the fanbase if that is true. Remember how that one little team up in AVP pissed off so many fans?
Guessing this will do financially about as well as Predators did years ago. Doesn't matter if hardcore fans hate it or not. Probably will sell well on DVD/Blu-Ray as well. Remember that a lot of Star Wars fans hated The Last Jedi but it's the most successful movie of the year.
Quote from: DerelictShip on Oct 30, 2017, 05:38:43 PM
Die hard fan as much of the rest of you are. But I smell a disaster in the making.
It's sizing up like the Alien prequels to me.
Does not compute.
Quote from: Wweyland on Feb 03, 2018, 03:46:18 PM
Guessing this will do financially about as well as Predators did years ago. Doesn't matter if hardcore fans hate it or not. Probably will sell well on DVD/Blu-Ray as well. Remember that a lot of Star Wars fans hated The Last Jedi but it's the most successful movie of the year.
I anticipate the same. The opinions of the hardcore fans don't matter as much as the general movie-going populace, unfortunately (or fortunately depending on where you stand.)
I don't understand why so many fans want this film to fail? It's like they're rooting for it to be the worst PREDATOR film ever. As a fan myself, I would rather see it be a box office success. Also, yeah I get the early draft of the script was leaked. Doesn't mean the film itself is gonna be terrible. Either way, I know I'm excited about seeing a new PREDATOR film 8 years after PREDATORS was in theaters. Which is 8 years too long imho.
Quote from: Wweyland on Feb 03, 2018, 03:46:18 PM
Guessing this will do financially about as well as Predators did years ago.
Which would actually be a better scenario than if it did well as Black's other films. Discounting
Iron Man 3 (for obvious reasons), both of his other films have barely broken even at the box office, meaning the studio actually lost money both times.
Predators at least made a modest profit...even though it wasn't good and
Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang and
The Nice Guys were both great. Go figure. :)
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Feb 04, 2018, 11:53:12 PM
I don't understand why so many fans want this film to fail? It's like they're rooting for it to be the worst PREDATOR film ever. As a fan myself, I would rather see it be a box office success. Also, yeah I get the early draft of the script was leaked. Doesn't mean the film itself is gonna be terrible. Either way, I know I'm excited about seeing a new PREDATOR film 8 years after PREDATORS was in theaters. Which is 8 years too long imho.
Well said👍👍
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Feb 04, 2018, 11:53:12 PM
I don't understand why so many fans want this film to fail? It's like they're rooting for it to be the worst PREDATOR film ever. As a fan myself, I would rather see it be a box office success. Also, yeah I get the early draft of the script was leaked. Doesn't mean the film itself is gonna be terrible. Either way, I know I'm excited about seeing a new PREDATOR film 8 years after PREDATORS was in theaters. Which is 8 years too long imho.
Because fans hold what they love to a high standard out of respect for it to continue to be as good as it ever was. To accept anything less is to accept mediocrity.
Very well said in deed.
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Feb 04, 2018, 11:53:12 PM
I don't understand why so many fans want this film to fail? It's like they're rooting for it to be the worst PREDATOR film ever. As a fan myself, I would rather see it be a box office success. Also, yeah I get the early draft of the script was leaked. Doesn't mean the film itself is gonna be terrible. Either way, I know I'm excited about seeing a new PREDATOR film 8 years after PREDATORS was in theaters. Which is 8 years too long imho.
Thank you. :D
The mentality "i don't get what i want so i hope it rots in hell and it's bad for everybody else" of the so called "fans" is really regrettable these days. It's like saying my favourite team had a bad day in the past so i hope it loses all the future games, because my high standards!
No, that really doesn't make you a fan, not by any definition, not by any standard, it makes you look like a bitter fool that is in desperate need to begrudge the fun for others by saying "ohh, you like it to this point? I hope it fails, not a new movie for 20 years again!! Go Predator! I love it, i want this to bomb so the franchise goes DTV, or maybe, i don't want to see a new movie ever again, but i love it!"
Well, i guess... want some candy?
Firstly, I want my future Predator sequels to be as good as possible. Is it possible to make them as good as first two? No, I don`t think so. Those movies are jewels of their times and the world moved on, you don`t do films like that anymore. Of coures they can be good in their own merrit and maybe even cult classics, but time will tell.
Secondy, I want my future Predator sequels to be, well..., Predator. It`s important to be aware of what made those films so good. It`s important add to it, retconing as much as it`s only necessary. Forgeting what made those stories thick and changing whole core elements is Covenant way and leads to dissaster. When the base of new film is story that looks like Power Rangers meet Guardians of the Galaxy, with lowest common denominator of all S-F - Alien Invasion, you start to wonder why bother with Predator in first place and not start fresh new franchise.
Thirdly, I want my fellow fans to be less vidictive and dividing. We are all fans here, otherwise we wouldn`t waste our time visiting.
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Because fans hold what they love to a high standard out of respect for it to continue to be as good as it ever was. To accept anything less is to accept mediocrity.
I get that and it's not like I don't hold this series to a high standard too. However, I guess you must know that the fans of this franchise only seem to agree that PREDATOR is the best entry. Everything after that has been 50/50 or some equivalent of said split. Basically the whole " To accept anything less is to accept mediocrity. " must mean ALLOT of fans accept mediocrity. Since nobody agrees unanimously that any one of the sequels is of the same caliber as the original film.
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I want my fellow fans to be less vidictive and dividing. We are all fans here, otherwise we wouldn`t waste our time visiting.
I second this plea. Ever since an early draft of the script has been leaked. The fan base seems to be in a state of utter depression and anxiety. Justified or not, I would appreciate if we could all be less harsh and try our best to get along amicably. We all are here because we love PREDATOR. Let that be the guiding principle in our endeavor to end the fracture of this fan base.