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Title: Retconning the last three?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 05, 2009, 07:18:34 PM
So I take a look upon the news section of the site and read that Arnold is trying to be snagged for a minor role in the new PREDATORS movie which Robert Rodriguez is doing and believing that this possibly couldn't get anyway worse, I scroll down to read that Rodriguez wants Arnold for his movie to be an "Official Sequel".

.....Okay, hold up, hold up.... So Rodriguez is saying that Steven Hopkin's Predator 2 is NOT a sequel? And that Paul W.S. Anderson's AvP is not a sequel let along AvP-R which has been done by the Strause Brothers?

.....And is it wrong for me to feel pissed about this?

-Rakai'Thwei
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: The PredBen on Jun 05, 2009, 07:31:18 PM
Agreed it doesn't make sense but whatever ... since Predator 2 was ( in the storyline ) 10 years after predator then perhaps this is in between it so ... maybe he wants the order like this:

Predator
Predators
Predator 2
AVP
AVP:R

It wouldn't make sense as it should be:

Predator
Predator 2
Predators
AVP
AVP:R
but whatever , glad its not a reboot.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 05, 2009, 07:39:06 PM
Even that line up doesn't make sense. How can Predators take place between Predator and Predator 2 since PREDATORS is meant to take place in 2020 or so as I read in the article?

-Rakai'Thwei
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Master on Jun 05, 2009, 07:56:09 PM
Don't put such shit like AvP and AvPr in same line with P1,P2. It spoils the horizon.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: dude63 on Jun 05, 2009, 08:08:08 PM
Yea I think he means it by taking place btween pred 1 and 2. I think it would be great to see Arnie back. Since we didn't see him in AVP because of the dang election.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 05, 2009, 08:09:40 PM
Quote from: Master on Jun 05, 2009, 07:56:09 PM
Don't put such shit like AvP and AvPr in same line with P1,P2. It spoils the horizon.

Don't tell me my damn opinion.

If I am entitled to like the AvP films, I am entitled to.

-Rakai'Thwei
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: dude63 on Jun 05, 2009, 08:11:34 PM
I thought AVP was a good movie...im sure ill get flanked for it..but I overly enjoyed it. I enjoyed AVP:R as a popcorn flick as well. Its just I felt some sutff wasn't needed like the dumb as @#$% key plot..wtf!!!
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Moody on Jun 05, 2009, 08:16:03 PM
AVP dont have to be connected to the original predator movies, its what you make it of it, just ingore them, thats what i always do :P
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Master on Jun 05, 2009, 08:29:01 PM
I don t tell you what you have to like. Im just stating my opinion. Arnold is Old, his story involving Predator passed with first film. His apperence is pointless and only thing that can do is spoiling the legend.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 05, 2009, 08:42:50 PM
Quote from: Master on Jun 05, 2009, 08:29:01 PM
I don t tell you what you have to like. Im just stating my opinion. Arnold is Old, his story involving Predator passed with first film. His apperence is pointless and only thing that can do is spoiling the legend.

And I agree.

Arnold is old and fat-- which is why they had to use a CGI make up on Kickenger's body in Terminator Salvation.

I also personally think that Rodriguez's vision is just... ugh... This movie shouldn't have been greenlit.

-Rakai'Thwei
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Master on Jun 05, 2009, 09:46:10 PM
Also, if this project is supposed to be placed between P1/2 than oldness of Arnold will be both immersion and story braker.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 05, 2009, 10:24:58 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 05, 2009, 07:18:34 PM
So I take a look upon the news section of the site and read that Arnold is trying to be snagged for a minor role in the new PREDATORS movie which Robert Rodriguez is doing and believing that this possibly couldn't get anyway worse, I scroll down to read that Rodriguez wants Arnold for his movie to be an "Official Sequel".

.....Okay, hold up, hold up.... So Rodriguez is saying that Steven Hopkin's Predator 2 is NOT a sequel? And that Paul W.S. Anderson's AvP is not a sequel let along AvP-R which has been done by the Strause Brothers?

.....And is it wrong for me to feel pissed about this?

-Rakai'Thwei

So? The first Predator movie and the only good Predator movie are one and the same. Robert Rodriguez has more talent than Hopkins, Anderson, and definitely the Strauses, combined. AvP and AvP-R are the trashiest of the trash, and P2 is not going to be ignored so much as to them not referencing it.

You see, if someone with the clout of Rodriguez wants to retcon ::) the last three movies, let him. But if people like the Strauses say it, they better put their money where their mouth is, because not only was their movie worse than the one they were giving shit to, but the first one was an easy movie to top in the first place. They had a chance handed to them on a silver platter. Kinda like how pre-Alien 3, Fox had a treasure trove of characters and greatness to fiddle with, thanks to Alien and Aliens.

Rakai, I don't think you're going to see a whole lot of people upset over the retcon (Yay for big words) of those movies.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 05, 2009, 10:30:33 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 05, 2009, 10:24:58 PM
So? The first Predator movie and the only good Predator movie are one and the same. Robert Rodriguez has more talent than Hopkins, Anderson, and definitely the Strauses, combined. AvP and AvP-R are the trashiest of the trash, and P2 is not going to be ignored so much as to them not referencing it.

Your opinion and you are entitled to it as I am entitled to mine. Thank God we live in a democracy.

I'm sorry but I just do not like this new movie coming out at all, and hope to God that it does get canceled. Speaking of which, has Fox's PR Representatives actually even confirmed this movie? If so, I have not heard of it at all whatsoever. Last I heard months ago that Fox said that there were no plans for another Predator movie.

Am I missing something?

Who are these third party sources stating that PREDATORS are being done?

If Rodriguez wants to do a Predator movie, he should do a MASSIVE script overhaul, get rid of the gladiator arena, concentration camps, going to the planet-- an entire re-write. Of course, this is my opinion and I'm entitled to it, no one can say otherwise.

-Rakai'Thwei
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Highland on Jun 05, 2009, 10:31:50 PM
Here we go again...time.... ::)

Predator IS NOT! Star Wars or Lord of the Rings, It has no timeline! they can put it where they bloody well like for all i care, as long as its decent.

Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 05, 2009, 10:37:33 PM
Yeah, stick it to the man!

Bro, don't be delusional. Predators is happening. And the script that Rodriguez wrote when he was just starting out in the business isn't being used. Maybe a couple of cool little ideas, trinkets, and the setting are being used, but everything else is changed.

And yeah, we all have our own opinions. I think the AvP movies suck, you dig those things. Cool. I guess we're straight on that.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 05, 2009, 10:39:29 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 05, 2009, 10:37:33 PM
Yeah, stick it to the man!

Bro, don't be delusional. Predators is happening. And the script that Rodriguez wrote when he was just starting out in the business isn't being used. Maybe a couple of cool little ideas, trinkets, and the setting are being used, but everything else is changed.

And yeah, we all have our own opinions. I think the AvP movies suck, you dig those things. Cool. I guess we're straight on that.

No, I'm not delusional. I'm just pissed. Really, really pissed about this new movie.

So far I have not heard about any script changes. If so, where is the proof?

I'd honestly like to see it.

-Rakai'Thwei
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 05, 2009, 10:42:30 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 05, 2009, 10:39:29 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 05, 2009, 10:37:33 PM
Yeah, stick it to the man!

Bro, don't be delusional. Predators is happening. And the script that Rodriguez wrote when he was just starting out in the business isn't being used. Maybe a couple of cool little ideas, trinkets, and the setting are being used, but everything else is changed.

And yeah, we all have our own opinions. I think the AvP movies suck, you dig those things. Cool. I guess we're straight on that.

No, I'm not delusional. I'm just pissed. Really, really pissed about this new movie.

So far I have not heard about any script changes. If so, where is the proof?

I'd honestly like to see it.

-Rakai'Thwei

http://www.moviehole.net/200919363-exclusive-dutch-asked-back-for-predators

"The script is terrific... I hear. It's partly the old Predators script Rodriguez did, but mostly new stuff by [Alex] Litvak. And it's violent – like the original. Everybody here at [name removed] has pointed out how much better it is than [Paul W.S] Anderson's abomination. Doesn't sound like there's any reason to worry".



Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: SiL on Jun 05, 2009, 10:42:52 PM
Saying it's an "official sequel" just means it's not a remake or a reboot, it's Predator 3...
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Master on Jun 05, 2009, 10:43:36 PM
I will defend P2. It is a great film and great sequel which happens very rarely.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 05, 2009, 10:46:11 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 05, 2009, 10:42:52 PM
Saying it's an "official sequel" just means it's not a remake or a reboot, it's Predator 3...

A few people really cannot understand that for some reason. This is Predator 3.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 05, 2009, 10:47:36 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 05, 2009, 10:42:30 PM


http://www.moviehole.net/200919363-exclusive-dutch-asked-back-for-predators

"The script is terrific... I hear. It's partly the old Predators script Rodriguez did, but mostly new stuff by [Alex] Litvak. And it's violent – like the original. Everybody here at [name removed] has pointed out how much better it is than [Paul W.S] Anderson's abomination. Doesn't sound like there's any reason to worry".

And what has me worried is that their using some elements from Rodriguez's old script. What is being used, they're not saying and that is what has me so pessimistic and scared about this movie.

How do we know they're not using the whole planet thing, or the slavery thing, or the trading humans for technology thing?

And humans beating Predators in hand to hand combat? ......Oh God. I hope they don't use that.

-Rakai'Thwei
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 05, 2009, 11:08:58 PM
The script was written for fun. It was written for fun.

I take it you didn't read what I italicized and underlined?
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 05, 2009, 11:13:06 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 05, 2009, 11:08:58 PM
The script was written for fun. It was written for fun.

I take it you didn't read what I italicized and underlined?

Of course I read that, and it's public knowledge he wrote it for shits and giggles.

...Look... I'm just mad right now, and I'm very pessimistic about this movie. I honestly am. As for this Alex Litvak, what movies did he do?

-Rakai'Thwei
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 06, 2009, 12:07:36 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 05, 2009, 11:13:06 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 05, 2009, 11:08:58 PM
The script was written for fun. It was written for fun.

I take it you didn't read what I italicized and underlined?

Of course I read that, and it's public knowledge he wrote it for shits and giggles.

...Look... I'm just mad right now, and I'm very pessimistic about this movie. I honestly am. As for this Alex Litvak, what movies did he do?

-Rakai'Thwei

So you read it, why are you still mad? Why am I still responding to these replies?

P.S. How the hell do you like AvP and AvP2, but get your briefs in a bunch with this movie? If you're pissed about this movie, you should be crucifying the Strauses and Anderson. It truly, truly, truly, from the bottom of my heart, confuses the ever-loving shit out of me.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 06, 2009, 12:21:42 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 06, 2009, 12:07:36 AM
So you read it, why are you still mad? Why am I still responding to these replies?

P.S. How the hell do you like AvP and AvP2, but get your briefs in a bunch with this movie? If you're pissed about this movie, you should be crucifying the Strauses and Anderson. It truly, truly, truly, from the bottom of my heart, confuses the ever-loving shit out of me.


I'm calming the hell down now, so I'll respond to your inquiery. Mm'kay?

I'm not as mad as I used to be an hour ago, it's just that we don't know what elements from Rodriguez's script they're using. They haven't given us any details, and why should they? I'm just very pessimistic about the film because what if they use some of the wrong ideas such as the trading for technology, concentration camp, the planet, and the whole idea of a human killing a Predator in hand to hand combat. Thats why I'm so pessimistic about it.

As as to why I enjoy the AvP films? I'll be more than happy to tell you.

1) I'm entitled to like them, as you are entitled to dislike them.

2) I grew up with the original Alien and Predator films, and I didn't believe we were ever going to get an Alien vs Predator film. I've been a fan of the creatures since I was six years old when Kenner released the Alien vs Predator figures with the little mini-comics. Over the years, I began to collect the comics from the original to the crossovers. It wasn't until I read the novels from Steve Perry that I became further enthralled with the creatures. With the novels we got to see a point of view from the Predators, and how they saw things around them differently than what we do. The novels gave the Predators more character, despite what others are saying on how they were humanized. I don't believe they were humanized, but personified. They were given their own personalities, and thats what I liked rather than the idea of them being psychotic killing machines from outerspace. They introduced readers to the idea as to WHY they hunt, and their culture.

So I grew up with the novels and enjoyed them for what they were. When Paul W.S. Anderson made AvP, I was more than happy because for one-- it was a film with Alien and Predator, fighting each other, something I never thought I was going to live to see. And two, Anderson borrowed his concepts from the novels and comics, which I happened to enjoy and seeing those elements on film and made canon made me rather happy and I grew to enjoy the films.

I don't care for human characters. I just want to see the two beloved creatures fight each other on screen.

.....That answer enough for ya?

-Rakai'Thwei
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jun 06, 2009, 12:28:18 AM
Cant see how this movie is retconning Predator 2 because Rodriguez hates it or something, Predator 2 barely even mentioned the proceedings of the first movie, it was stand alone, don't see a reason why this one shouldn't go down the same route.

Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 06, 2009, 12:39:27 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 06, 2009, 12:28:18 AM
Cant see how this movie is retconning Predator 2 because Rodriguez hates it or something, Predator 2 barely even mentioned the proceedings of the first movie, it was stand alone, don't see a reason why this one shouldn't go down the same route.

I don't mind stand alones, really I don't. What I don't want to see is the abandonment of the whole honor concept and what was established in the previous movies.

-Rakai'Thwei
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Aeus on Jun 06, 2009, 01:18:23 AM
I do.  :)
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: SiL on Jun 06, 2009, 01:42:44 AM
Namely because it wasn't established in the movies.

There is nothing honourable about sniping someone in the back.

From a tree.

75 yards away.

While invisible.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 06, 2009, 01:46:31 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 06, 2009, 01:42:44 AM
Namely because it wasn't established in the movies.

There is nothing honourable about sniping someone in the back.

From a tree.

75 yards away.

While invisible.

The same thing could be said about a midevial knight in the battle field. They fought dirty. When off the battlefield, they were rather quite chivalrious to others.

However, the honor concept is shared only amongst Predators, or those that they deem worthy to share that honor with-- for example, Harrigan and Lex.

-Rakai'Thwei
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: SiL on Jun 06, 2009, 02:03:21 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 06, 2009, 01:46:31 AM
The same thing could be said about a midevial knight in the battle field. They fought dirty. When off the battlefield, they were rather quite chivalrious to others.
No, they were typically assholes.

Everything we saw them do in the Predator movies (Not including AvP) could be put down to good sportsmanship. That's all it was ever meant to be.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 06, 2009, 02:07:59 AM
And isn't good sportsmanship a form of honor in itself? In my book, it is.

-Rakai'Thwei
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jun 06, 2009, 03:24:51 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 05, 2009, 07:18:34 PM
So Rodriguez is saying that Steven Hopkin's Predator 2 is NOT a sequel?

Aside from simply not referencing it, there's not really anything they can do to make out it never happened.

Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 05, 2009, 11:08:58 PM
The script was written for fun. It was written for fun.

It was also what got this project greenlit, in its original form. Plus, up until this, everyone involved had been saying that they still weren't sure if they were going to change it or not. They apparently now have, in some form or the other, but that means they still thought it was a perfectly feasible concept.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jun 06, 2009, 04:33:45 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 06, 2009, 03:24:51 AM
It was also what got this project greenlit, in its original form. Plus, up until this, everyone involved had been saying that they still weren't sure if they were going to change it or not. They apparently now have, in some form or the other, but that means they still thought it was a perfectly feasible concept.

I wish I would know what the changes were. I mean, yes I am for another Predator movie and all but I certainly didn't enjoy the original script, I mean I actually weapt when I read it back in 2003 when the originl AvP was being produced (I got the link from PlanetAvP back then).

I WANT to be optimsitic about this film. I WANT to like it.

But it's just so hard to with reading up on the news on this film. And not knowing what the script changes are, it's hard to like it.

-Rakai'Thwei
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Master on Jun 06, 2009, 07:16:45 AM
Beats that shreds old lady in dark subway armed with gun that she just cant use it properly shurely indicates honour of it.  Come on thats bullshit! They are not honorable just like hunter with f**king rifel is not honorable to deer or wild boar.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 06, 2009, 07:35:52 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 06, 2009, 12:21:42 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 06, 2009, 12:07:36 AM
So you read it, why are you still mad? Why am I still responding to these replies?

P.S. How the hell do you like AvP and AvP2, but get your briefs in a bunch with this movie? If you're pissed about this movie, you should be crucifying the Strauses and Anderson. It truly, truly, truly, from the bottom of my heart, confuses the ever-loving shit out of me.


I'm calming the hell down now, so I'll respond to your inquiery. Mm'kay?

I'm not as mad as I used to be an hour ago, it's just that we don't know what elements from Rodriguez's script they're using. They haven't given us any details, and why should they? I'm just very pessimistic about the film because what if they use some of the wrong ideas such as the trading for technology, concentration camp, the planet, and the whole idea of a human killing a Predator in hand to hand combat. Thats why I'm so pessimistic about it.

As as to why I enjoy the AvP films? I'll be more than happy to tell you.

1) I'm entitled to like them, as you are entitled to dislike them.

2) I grew up with the original Alien and Predator films, and I didn't believe we were ever going to get an Alien vs Predator film. I've been a fan of the creatures since I was six years old when Kenner released the Alien vs Predator figures with the little mini-comics. Over the years, I began to collect the comics from the original to the crossovers. It wasn't until I read the novels from Steve Perry that I became further enthralled with the creatures. With the novels we got to see a point of view from the Predators, and how they saw things around them differently than what we do. The novels gave the Predators more character, despite what others are saying on how they were humanized. I don't believe they were humanized, but personified. They were given their own personalities, and thats what I liked rather than the idea of them being psychotic killing machines from outerspace. They introduced readers to the idea as to WHY they hunt, and their culture.

So I grew up with the novels and enjoyed them for what they were. When Paul W.S. Anderson made AvP, I was more than happy because for one-- it was a film with Alien and Predator, fighting each other, something I never thought I was going to live to see. And two, Anderson borrowed his concepts from the novels and comics, which I happened to enjoy and seeing those elements on film and made canon made me rather happy and I grew to enjoy the films.

I don't care for human characters. I just want to see the two beloved creatures fight each other on screen.

.....That answer enough for ya?

-Rakai'Thwei

Dude you're making it seem like they're curing cancer or something...it's a movie.

And there was no "honour" code, which SiL already explained to you.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: The PredBen on Jun 06, 2009, 03:02:08 PM
Predators have no honor ... they never meant to have it. They were meant to be ruthless hunters which put us in the situation of a deer ... or prey. The fact that the Predators want to kill other intelligences for fun ... is evil. We are also evil since we do it to deer. Think of it as this. Predator kill man , Man kill deer , deer eat grass.... easy right. The Predators are evil , they hunt for sport , they only kill those armed ... because its a challenge not because they want that person to live. The fact that they'd kill me if I had a bat towards them and do it silently for nothing other then sport - is evil. They treat us , As Master said , Like deer. Do we treat deer good huh? Think on that and when your done tell me if they were or ginally meant to be honor loving ... hell they have more honor then a samurai ... as I told Steve Perry on Ask Steve Perry
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Master on Jun 06, 2009, 03:40:52 PM
Samurais just like mediavle knights were very mean bastards in majority, that often killed people without cause. Predators have hunt rules but nothing other than that. I ve counted four: 1. Don't kill unarmed humans; 2. Don't kill pregnant females. Probably to sustain species for future hunts; 3. Don't kill a prey that menaged to defet your fellow hunter. Probaly because it will procreate and give birth to next generation of good preys; 4. If you fail than f**k all three above and blow the place up, to cover up evidences.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: The PredBen on Jun 06, 2009, 03:55:15 PM
Quote from: Master on Jun 06, 2009, 03:40:52 PM
Samurais just like mediavle knights were very mean bastards in majority, that often killed people without cause. Predators have hunt rules but nothing other than that. I ve counted four: 1. Don't kill unarmed humans; 2. Don't kill pregnant females. Probably to sustain species for future hunts; 3. Don't kill a prey that menaged to defet your fellow hunter. Probaly because it will procreate and give birth to next generation of good preys; 4. If you fail than f**k all three above and blow the place up, to cover up evidences.

I agree with that. Only four rules , one of which is evil , the rest in favor of the Predator. In AVP, Anderson went from the comics , ignoring the movies , and giving the Predators full blown honor. They f**king loved that girl Lex. I mean I understand Scar giving her a weapon , but following her ... just poor. In the comics the Predators were a little meaner then in AVP , which wanted the aliens ( animals ) to be seen as the villains ... not what people wanted ... really. In AVP:R , the Predator was an evil bastard again ... the way he should be , but that movie failed because I felt it just stole old movie ideas and rammed it into that shitty masterpiece. Neither worked. AnywayPredators are evil , they are cruel hunters who hunt the best prey without feelings ... as they should be , how would someone like it if I wrote on Hitler having an honor system ... or those hunters who have rifles killing deer?No , they are evil just as the other two are.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: TJ Doc on Jun 06, 2009, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: The PredBen on Jun 06, 2009, 03:55:15 PM
Quote from: Master on Jun 06, 2009, 03:40:52 PM
Samurais just like mediavle knights were very mean bastards in majority, that often killed people without cause. Predators have hunt rules but nothing other than that. I ve counted four: 1. Don't kill unarmed humans; 2. Don't kill pregnant females. Probably to sustain species for future hunts; 3. Don't kill a prey that menaged to defet your fellow hunter. Probaly because it will procreate and give birth to next generation of good preys; 4. If you fail than f**k all three above and blow the place up, to cover up evidences.

I agree with that. Only four rules , one of which is evil , the rest in favor of the Predator. In AVP, Anderson went from the comics , ignoring the movies , and giving the Predators full blown honor. They f**king loved that girl Lex. I mean I understand Scar giving her a weapon , but following her ... just poor. In the comics the Predators were a little meaner then in AVP , which wanted the aliens ( animals ) to be seen as the villains ... not what people wanted ... really. In AVP:R , the Predator was an evil bastard again ... the way he should be , but that movie failed because I felt it just stole old movie ideas and rammed it into that shitty masterpiece. Neither worked. AnywayPredators are evil , they are cruel hunters who hunt the best prey without feelings ... as they should be , how would someone like it if I wrote on Hitler having an honor system ... or those hunters who have rifles killing deer?No , they are evil just as the other two are.

The sign of a great sci-fi movie villain, no doubt.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Alien³ on Jun 11, 2009, 11:28:34 PM
Don't be scared by a film you know nothing about Rakai'Thwei. There's nothing to worry about, until we see a trailer and then the film itself. Only then can your fear be raised or laid to rest.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: jordan on Jun 12, 2009, 12:20:52 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 06, 2009, 12:28:18 AM
Cant see how this movie is retconning Predator 2 because Rodriguez hates it or something, Predator 2 barely even mentioned the proceedings of the first movie, it was stand alone, don't see a reason why this one shouldn't go down the same route.



How is Predator 2 standalone?   Without the events in the jungle the Predator 2 story ceases to exist.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Alien³ on Jun 12, 2009, 12:30:40 AM
Quote from: jordan on Jun 12, 2009, 12:20:52 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 06, 2009, 12:28:18 AM
Cant see how this movie is retconning Predator 2 because Rodriguez hates it or something, Predator 2 barely even mentioned the proceedings of the first movie, it was stand alone, don't see a reason why this one shouldn't go down the same route.



How is Predator 2 standalone?   Without the events in the jungle the Predator 2 story ceases to exist.

No the predators would still come down to hunt in L.A. It's just that O.W.L.F might have taken a little bit longer to get wind of an Alien in L.A.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jun 14, 2009, 03:56:18 AM
Quote from: jordan on Jun 12, 2009, 12:20:52 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 06, 2009, 12:28:18 AM
Cant see how this movie is retconning Predator 2 because Rodriguez hates it or something, Predator 2 barely even mentioned the proceedings of the first movie, it was stand alone, don't see a reason why this one shouldn't go down the same route.



How is Predator 2 standalone?   Without the events in the jungle the Predator 2 story ceases to exist.
Errm what?
What does the first movie have to do with the Predators hunting in LA? There was nothing shown in Predator 2 which couldn't exist without the first movie. Keyes? They easily could have shown another Predator hunting trip and not referring to the first movie and it still would have worked.

Different Predator, different location, different characters. It is stand alone.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: XenoHunter5669 on Jun 15, 2009, 01:10:40 AM
Could've, Should've, didn't. Keys did refer to Dutch, those events are the reason they went to LA. Yes, the Predator going to LA had nothing to do with part 1, but too much of Predator 2 did have to do with the original. I don't really have a problem putting a movie in between them, but they better make sure the story line flows with 1 & 2. Don't leave any "evidence" of a predator coming here at the end of the movie. Keys coming to LA because of the jungle but not referencing what will happen in this film doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: SiL on Jun 15, 2009, 01:16:38 AM
He doesn't say they were there because of what happened in the jungle, and if you actually paid attention to the scene, he lists a bunch of places the Predator has been.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Johnny Handsome on Jun 15, 2009, 01:22:06 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 15, 2009, 01:16:38 AM
he lists a bunch of places the Predator has been.
Exactly.
Cambodia, iwo jima and beirut if i remember correctly.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Nachtfalke on Jun 15, 2009, 03:45:20 AM
I'm glad its not a reboot, too. 'Predators' can be an official sequel without Arnold. Unless the story hinges on Dutch somehow, but just like 'Predator 2' it can be rewritten to omit Arnold, after all he was supposedly going to be what Busey became and fight the Predator with Glover.
Interestingly, in the special features of Predator 2, Busey claims (probably not canon) that Dutch died several months after the first film.

I have my DVD collection as such:

Predator
Predator 2
Alien versus Predator
Alien versus Predator: Requiem
Alien
Aliens
Alien3
A:R

...I'd probably put 'Predators' in the order it is set, by date, as I do with everything else. Either after AVPR, after Predator 2 or after Predator.
Its only after you do that with a franchise and then watch them order that you see how absurd some prequels are.  ;D
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Aeus on Jun 15, 2009, 09:25:24 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 15, 2009, 01:16:38 AM
He doesn't say they were there because of what happened in the jungle, and if you actually paid attention to the scene, he lists a bunch of places the Predator has been.

He also talks in detail about the events in Predator 1...

QuoteTen years ago one of his kind stalked and eliminated an elite special forces crew in central America. There were two survivors. They indicated that when trapped, the creature activated a self-destruct device that destroyed enough rainforest to cover 300 city blocks. Remarkable weaponry. That's right lieutenant. Other-world life-forms.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: SiL on Jun 15, 2009, 10:08:38 PM
That's nice, but the previous film didn't have to actually happen for him to have that line of dialogue. It's like thinking there's a prequel to Blade Runner because of Roy's speech at the end.
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: Aeus on Jun 15, 2009, 10:51:18 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 15, 2009, 10:08:38 PM
That's nice, but the previous film didn't have to actually happen for him to have that line of dialogue. It's like thinking there's a prequel to Blade Runner because of Roy's speech at the end.

Yeah I get what you mean, I was just saying.  Doesn't Anna also appear on screen?
Title: Re: Retconning the last three?
Post by: SiL on Jun 15, 2009, 10:52:35 PM
You have to look for her, but yeah, very briefly.