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Earlier this year we reported that Dark Horse would be launching a Prometheus comic series. Over the past several days news has been emerging that Dark Horse would also be launching new Alien, Predator and versus series. However, according to this io9 article Dark Horse intends to reboot the comic franchise and bridge all four franchises into a single continuity:

“The level of collaboration here between the writers is pretty phenomenal, actually. Chris, Paul, and Joshua are all friends of mine who I hang out with on a regular basis, but it was an interesting experience getting to sit together in one room with them and hash out the intricacies of these various characters and their individual stories, and how they would sync up and interact. When Scott brought me onboard, he described it as a "writer's room," which is something that I hadn't really been a part of before.”

The io9 article includes brief interviews with writers of all four series and includes several pieces of concept art by the series artists. I for one am very interested in this news. A solid EU continuity is something that the Aliens/Predator franchise just don’t have. I’m excited to see where this goes.

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Quote from: SM on Oct 10, 2013, 10:29:54 PM
Tres interesting.

I see fans of the AvP flicks will get something of a raw deal though.
(Is PredXeno going to bust a foofoo valve though...?)

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 10, 2013, 08:24:08 PM
A solid EU continuity is something that the Aliens/Predator franchise just don't have. I'm excited to see where this goes.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 10, 2013, 11:25:18 PM
So this guy just takes all of the films and pretty much says that they are canon, and reboots everything from the get go? Sounds like the Alien-Predator franchises are getting their own version of the New 52.  ::)

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 10, 2013, 08:24:08 PM
A solid EU continuity is something that the Aliens/Predator franchise just don't have. I'm excited to see where this goes.

What about Aliens: Berserker, Alien vs Predator: Prey, Alien vs Predator: War, Alien vs Predator: Three World War? Those had something of a strong continuity. And that's just off the top of my head.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: SM on Oct 10, 2013, 10:29:54 PM
Tres interesting.

I see fans of the AvP flicks will get something of a raw deal though.
(Is PredXeno going to bust a foofoo valve though...?)

Quote200 year lack of contact is speculation, though.

Quote from: dragonthingy on Oct 11, 2013, 12:35:32 AM
Also, the new Predator series is being called Predators. Interesting.

Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2013, 01:11:08 AM
The AvP guy seems to be indicating he's not directly referencing the AvP films.

Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2013, 01:40:45 AM
Wonder if they're going to acknowledge that 'canon' gem, Aliens: Colonial Marines, with the Continuing Adventures of Corporal Hicks...

QuoteReading the article, he's suggesting that he's not even going to be referencing them altogether along with the 26 years of already established expanded universe material.

In fact, he's outright stated he's doing a clean slate entirely.

Quote from: saintssinphony on Oct 11, 2013, 01:52:54 AM
Are they going to redraw the comics along with making this story fit continuity?  Is that how to re-boot a comic or what?  I kind of thought this is what is happening but I didn't want to get my hopes up so much.

Quote from: saintssinphony on Oct 11, 2013, 01:52:54 AM
So this might seem like a naïve question but I just am looking for clarity,

Are they going to redraw the comics along with making this story fit continuity?  Is that how to re-boot a comic or what?  I kind of thought this is what is happening but I didn't want to get my hopes up so much. 

QuoteAre there any major changes that will surprise readers of the previous Alien comics?
Roberson: One thing that [editor] Scott Allie and I discussed when I was first brought onto the project was his desire to get away from the more militaristic tone of the franchise from the second film onwards, and push back closer to the "horror" vibe of the original film. So we're taking a similar approach here. These aren't soldiers trained for combat, but regular people whose lives are thrown into chaos when they encounter the unknown.

Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2013, 01:50:36 AM
Furthermore I fear fans wanting one single continuity may be further disappointed by Out Of The Shadows, which does include film characters (not sure if the two follow ups will or not), but is being produced by Titan rather then Dark Horse.  Lebbon was dealing with Fox and has made no mention of collaboration with Dark Horse.  Might still all fit... who knows.

Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2013, 02:00:31 AM
I dunno if wonderful is the right word - but I'm definately intrigued.  Might even start buying comics again.

Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2013, 02:07:56 AM
With just the films to focus on, there less chance of conflicts popping up.  With all the films considered a source, they can either try to combine everything - or just let the franchises exist seperately.  Or something in between, with Predators using hunting dogs for example, but no mention made of the events or characters in the third film.

One obvious potential stumbling block is AvP Weyland vs Prometheus Weyland.  Since Prometheus is being used as a 'nexus' for these new comics and the AvP films are being ignored (for lack of a better word) in favour of seperate Alien and Predator films, I suspect the Prometheus backstory will take precedence.

Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2013, 03:00:42 AM
Yeah I don't think it'll be a retcon - it'll be a completely new start.

Quote from: vikingspawn on Oct 11, 2013, 03:22:48 AM
The Predators Movie Prequels were pretty good though.

Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2013, 03:48:26 AM
There isn't much continuity in the old continuity.  I think it will be jettisoned in favour of the new.

Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2013, 04:17:11 AM
I didn't mean, Fox will come out and specifically say "The old comics aren't canon", but more that events in the new series will conflict with the old to a degree that they can't co-exist (eg. Earth won't be over-run in 2189).

Quote from: vikingspawn on Oct 11, 2013, 03:22:48 AM
So it's 4 titles so far with Aliens-Prometheus-Predators-AVP:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/10/10/roberson-tobin-sebela-and-williamson-talk-aliens-predator-and-prometheus-at-dark-horse/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/10/10/roberson-tobin-sebela-and-williamson-talk-aliens-predator-and-prometheus-at-dark-horse/)

If they are taking this comic launch more seriously than the 2009 relaunch....hopefully we'll get better inked artwork inside the comics and with a steady monthly schedule versus the bi-monthlies of back then.  The best parts of that 2009 run were the Raymond Swanland covers and really not much else.  The Predators Movie Prequels were pretty good though.

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 11, 2013, 09:39:36 PM
I would like to see how our classic Aliens and Predators fare against the Black Super Predators and Engineers; let's see how the new guys fit into the war.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 11, 2013, 06:42:02 PM
Just got word directly from Sebela on his Tumblr regarding this continuity and the old expanded universe material:

"I have a question regarding the new Alien-Predator universe which Dark Horse is creating. Is this a whole separate and new universe from the already established twenty five years of lore which was started from the late 1980s to 2009 or does this completely override the old lore?"

"The old Dark Horse comics series about Aliens, Predators and Aliens fighting Predators never came up in the writer's room as we're working off a different angle of the universe, one that may touch on some of the stuff those old books did, but only by accident. But we're not declaring all that stuff moot or rebooting it or anything, it's just two different neighborhoods in a pretty big city."

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 11, 2013, 09:50:24 PM
That's pretty much the answer I was hoping for. :)

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 11, 2013, 10:07:12 PM
The way I read it is that they're ALL part of the same continuity, but the older EU and the AVP films won't really be referenced at all (they'll kind of get the cold shoulder and be ignored).

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 11, 2013, 10:22:20 PM
I hear that, but I see no evidence to suggest that all this takes place in a different universe, timeline, or continuity from what has already been established; it's just doing what Predators did with Predator 2, simply ignoring it but not refuting it.

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 11, 2013, 10:43:54 PM
There are always continuity discrepancies in any major franchise or series, we can't just announce them "not canon" just for that (though many fans have tried), it's just our duty to live with it; it's our cross to bear.

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 11, 2013, 10:59:58 PM
Oh ok, I'm not sure what the difference is between universe and canon (if there is one), but I think I getcha.

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 11, 2013, 10:59:58 PM
On a side note, I hope to see an Alien vs Pred Dog fight; the Tracker Predator bio said he used them to tear one apart.  It's Payback Time, Xeno-Style.

Quote from: shadowedge on Oct 12, 2013, 02:14:54 AM
Looks like Dark Horse is keeping the licenses then. Cool. I am really interested to see the Alien/Predator/AVP comics relaunched from scratch. Also tying in to Prometheus is cool.

QuoteLast and most certainly not least, Joshua Williamson, the writer on PREDATORS, says all 3 Predator films are canon to him. "If you look at how the continuity works in the original films they each work alone, but still acknowledge the ones before it. That's the same attitude I've had with my Predator story. Listen, I'm a continuity junkie, to toss anything would be sacrilege, but I don't want it to overpower what I'm trying to do here." As for whether the Predators will be main characters or the villains in the narrative, Williamson says "both?" The book will include an older Predator who's searching for a final and worthy hunt.

Quote from: Bender1988 on Oct 12, 2013, 05:49:17 AM
What 3 Predator movies-there is predator 1, predator 2, no predator 3..ahh he means the predators by rodriguez...that sucks-I and probably a lot of other fans don't acknowledge bullshit/I mean super preds to exist-they were only bad bloods, nothing more. Predatos should never be stated as cannon.

Quote from: dragonthingy on Oct 12, 2013, 07:11:03 AM
They should do what they do with the star wars eu and have a tier system.

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 11, 2013, 10:07:12 PM
The way I read it is that they're ALL part of the same continuity, but the older EU and the AVP films won't really be referenced at all (they'll kind of get the cold shoulder and be ignored).

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 12, 2013, 01:01:18 PM
For what it's worth, the NECA backstories were written by FOX - as I understand it, NECA was going to design the packaging for the Predators figures, and FOX specifically stepped in and said "nah man, we got this". I can pick Randy's brain on Twitter for the full story though.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 12, 2013, 01:01:18 PM
I'm hoping the older stuff still gets referenced anyway, sort of like how the DH Press 'Aliens' novels were allegedly supposed to not reference the older stuff, but "Criminal Enterprise" and "No Exit" did anyway (and referenced some damn obscure stuff, to boot).

QuoteConsidering that Chris Sebela has stated that he is doing a clean slate and is ignoring all previous AvP encounters, including the movies-- this is likely not to happen. And if somethings are touched upon which was established in the previous stories, they are likely done by accident and coincidental, at least that was what he said.

Quote from: DaddyYautja on Oct 14, 2013, 12:20:16 AM
And everyone laughed at me when i was throwing Predator stuff into Prometheus.

QuoteAnd everyone laughed at me when i was throwing Predator stuff into Prometheus.

Now these dudes are actually doing it.

Quote from: SM on Oct 14, 2013, 01:26:30 AM
We may end up laughing at them too.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 14, 2013, 01:07:47 AM

Quote from: DaddyYautja on Oct 14, 2013, 12:20:16 AM
And everyone laughed at me when i was throwing Predator stuff into Prometheus.

Personally, I hate the fact that they're counting PREDATORS with this yet despite what Rodriguez and Scott say concerning their movies having nothing to do with Predator 2 (Antal's word doesn't count!) and AvP, they're tying it into AvP anyway yet they're not counting the movies.

The only good thing I see about this is that it's kind of it's own separate thing based on what the interview and what Sebela said on his Tumblr anyway.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 14, 2013, 01:40:08 AM
The word of the filmmakers doesn't really mean a whole lot in my book - it's an interesting footnote and I enjoy hearing it, but it's not any kind of binding gospel truth.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 14, 2013, 01:40:08 AM
The filmmakers say a lot of things, often contradictory things, because contributing to a multimedia franchise is a collaborative effort that spans dozens of people with their own contributions and viewpoints and ideas, so you're bound to end up with stuff that doesn't mesh.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 14, 2013, 01:40:08 AM
The word of the filmmakers doesn't really mean a whole lot in my book

QuoteThe other being SM.

QuoteAnd as far as I'm aware, that retcon and Aliens: Colonial Marines were the only retcons to ever happen in the A/P/AvP franchise that actually involved re-writing to make things fit.

Quote from: SM on Oct 14, 2013, 02:38:25 AM
Hang on - I've never said that.  I've only repeated what people like Xenomrph claim.  Though I've yet to hear anyone from Fox say that everything is canon.  Or indeed anyone from Fox say anything is canon.  It's always third parties making the claim, and third parties are constantly producing conflicting material.

Quote from: SM on Oct 14, 2013, 02:38:25 AM
A:CM changed the source material and caused continuity problems, rather than correcting existing problems.  And the half arsed Wilks/ Billie thing got rendered null and void by Alien Resurrection.

QuoteAs for the third party mention, are you referring to companies like Rebellion, Monolith, Dark Horse, NECA, etc?

QuoteAs for Wilks and Billie... That was straight up jettisoned by Resurrection? It has been years since I've read Earth Hive and Nightmare Aslyum (which I'm stuck on and have been stuck on since my Junior year of high school of 2005) and.. I can't remember what conflicted with Resurrection. And well.. I kind of refuse to watch Resurrection now, so.. clear that up for me?

Quote from: SM on Oct 14, 2013, 03:17:57 AM
That said, as i indicated earlier, I expect they'll ignore those plot points with these new series, as they do create some fairly big restrictions on where you can go.

QuoteI agree with this, and based on what was said in the article and what Sebela said on his Tumblr, they'll be ignoring the older publications to a large degree in order to have a clean slate and if they do cover some elements which were covered in the old expanded universe, it's likely an accident and coincidental.

Quote from: SM on Oct 14, 2013, 04:27:47 AM
Big difference with ignoring older publications and ignoring the films though.

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 14, 2013, 04:39:20 AM
I hope the reason they're doing that is because it simply isn't convenient to fit in the story rather than just caving in to fan opinion.

Quote from: SM on Oct 14, 2013, 04:48:13 AM
Why?  Fans are ones who are going to buying the things.  Only makes sense to pay attention to their opinion.  There's yet to be an AvP comic linked to either film.  Why tie a comic directly to a crap film that the majority of viewers didn't like?

Could even extend to the second two Alien films.

QuoteAVPR was one of the products of such thinking (answering to the fans' wants exclusively); it traded plot for gore (something many fans were upset that the 1st film lacked).

QuoteTying in Weyland Industries from AvP and Weyland Corp from Prometheus simply cannot work, not unless someone is willing to write and fill in the plothole or even make a good and reasonable fact for the two timelines to reconcile.

QuoteThat's why I refer to the Word of God trope. It helps keeps things organized and makes sense of things.

QuoteI've only repeated what people like Xenomrph claim.  Though I've yet to hear anyone from Fox say that everything is canon.  Or indeed anyone from Fox say anything is canon.  It's always third parties making the claim, and third parties are constantly producing conflicting material.

Quote
Of course someone will chime in shortly saying Resurrection can be re-interpreted without ever adequately explaining how, but there you go.

Quote from: SM on Oct 14, 2013, 04:48:13 AM
Why?  Fans are ones who are going to buying the things.  Only makes sense to pay attention to their opinion.

QuoteThere's yet to be an AvP comic linked to either film.  Why tie a comic directly to a crap film that the majority of viewers didn't like?

Could even extend to the second two Alien films.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 14, 2013, 04:52:13 AM

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 14, 2013, 04:39:20 AM
I hope the reason they're doing that is because it simply isn't convenient to fit in the story rather than just caving in to fan opinion.

Based on the opinions of the writers, sadly that is what it sounds like. Read in between the lines, it's practically "In their opinion" to what's canon and what isn't to "their" world that they're building. Literally, that's what they said.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 14, 2013, 05:50:57 AM
You're welcome to that opinion - there have been several threads that reconciled the Weyland thing, so if you don't like the explanations posted, that's your opinion. :)

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 14, 2013, 05:50:57 AM
The problem is the "word of god" idea has numerous "gods" stating their own opinions, and they don't exactly line up. You said it yourself - Antal considered 'Predator 2' to be a part of 'Predators', but Robert Rodriguez didn't.

If I'm going to defer to any "god" in this scenario, it'll be the ones who own the franchise, the ones who actually get to make the decisions regarding it, completely independent of what any other contributor has to say on the matter, and that's FOX. This is the same FOX who, after Robert Rodriguez said he was discarding the AvP films and everything AvP, specifically stepped in with the 'Predators' blu-ray and dropped in "Yautja" references, and designed the NECA toy packaging in-house complete with AvP and EU references. :P

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 14, 2013, 05:50:57 AM
Well except for the Alien Quadrilogy/Alien Anthology disc supplementals specifically saying that the EU and whatnot is "part of the universe" (I can get a specific quote, but you've already seen it before) and having EU-themed special features such as the "Weyland-Yutani Archive" or the pop-up trivia tracks that reference the EU liberally, that is.
FOX doesn't have to come down from on high and make a signed and notarized letter addressed directly to the fans - the fact that they're saying these things to their licensees doesn't change the fact that they said them at all.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 14, 2013, 05:50:57 AM
To be fair it's not a bad way to handle it - there's plenty of room in the galaxy for new and interesting stories, and like SM said it's pretty much par for the course. If we get lucky maybe some other writer will drop a reference to older comics and stuff just because the long-time fans will get a kick out of it, just like a couple of the DHPress books did.

QuoteAnd while Twentieth Century Fox does own the rights to the franchises, well... that brings us back to square one. Everything is a mess. Nothing makes sense. Confusion is rampant. You have Yautja, Hish, Non-Humanoid Space Jockeys, Engineers, Black Mold, Black Slime, Royal Jelly, dead Shorty, living Shorty, etc, etc...

QuoteOn another note relating to the comics... Is this going to be on going or merely a collection of stories from the solo titles similar to what Predator 2009, Aliens 2009 and Three World War were? In other words.. a lengthy run which is one story line and then ends.

QuoteAlso anyone notice how they announced this right when they about to potentially lose the license to two popular titles to a competitor right in the nick of time?

QuoteAnd while Twentieth Century Fox does own the rights to the franchises, well... that brings us back to square one. Everything is a mess. Nothing makes sense. Confusion is rampant.

QuoteAlso, as far as the PREDATORS Blu-ray Yautja Evolved segment is concerned... Aside from the title, they never really spoke that word. It served more as to a behind the scenes segment to how the BSPs were designed. The word Yautja was never uttered. However the Weyland-Yutani articles in the AvP-R Blu-Ray bonus well... they do use the word. PREDATORS doesn't. I've seen the segment on Youtube.

QuoteAs for the NECA backstories, I suppose Big Red from Dead End would now be canon and the Kenner Predators too? I'm not buying it. And even if Fox did write the back story to NECA's toy packages well... that all goes back to square one, again.

QuoteThat's all there in the Quadrilogy? I have the Alien Quadrilogy but I never have watched the supplemental discs much. If this is on the supplemental discs, then I would like to know which discs and what segment and time frame that they are on. This genuinely does have my interest now.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 14, 2013, 09:19:18 AM
I think this is a pretty drastic exaggeration, but that's just me. Are there continuity snags and contradictions? Sure, but it's not total chaos like you're seeming to imply.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 14, 2013, 09:19:18 AM
But the thing is, it's right there on the disc, written out on the screen. It doesn't have to be spoken, we can read it on the screen. FOX made a conscious choice to use the word in the menus, just like they consciously chose to reference the EU in the AvP and AvPR blurays, and consciously chose to reference both the EU and AvP in the NECA packaging they designed.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 14, 2013, 09:19:18 AM
It's on the Quadrilogy's 9th disc, in the section where you can browse the comic book cover art, the text says:

"Dark Horse Comics started publishing Aliens comic books in 1988. All of the stories take place after the events of the second film [Xeno note - this isn't entirely accurate, but we all knew that already] and explore the rich universe visualized in the movies. The comics represent an amazing opportunity to go beyond the events in the Aliens movies and explore dozens of new stories featuring one of the most chilling species to grace the science fiction genre!

Following are cover images showcasing some of the amazing talents involved in the creation of this smash comic book series."

Additionally on the supplemental disc, it says:

"Dark Horse is going back through each of its past Aliens graphic novels and revising images and text to bring the entire story into a single line of continuity with the motion pictures and the wildly popular Bantam novels".

Those quotes were from 2003 when the Quadrilogy was first released, and as far as I'm aware they're still present verbatim in the supplementals on the Bluray set. I'll have to fire up my bluray and check tomorrow.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 14, 2013, 09:19:18 AM
Sure, why not? It's not saying that the events of Dead End are canon, just that Big Red exists and is (now) a real licensed "canon" character, when he wasn't before.

Quote from: DaddyYautja on Oct 14, 2013, 05:56:21 PM
The A/P/AvP universe needs a Star Wars treatment where the movies are the main story and the rest of the stuff starts counting less and less unless the big boss (Lucas) says it does.

Quote from: DaddyYautja on Oct 14, 2013, 05:56:21 PM
Like that dude that doesnt want the AvP movies to take place in the future for some reason.... what the hell is that all about?

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 14, 2013, 07:04:26 PM
Well, Dark Horse does keep an AVP canon bible to preserve continuity; apparently, it's been on the fritz occasionally but it DOES exist.

Quote from: SM on Oct 14, 2013, 10:32:10 PM
The canon bible provides guidelines for what licensees can and can't do.  It certainly does not preserve continuity, however.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 14, 2013, 06:45:49 PM


The thing is with that, Star Wars has a canon tier which the folks over at the now Disney partnered LucasArts has maintained for years. They have a lexicon to what is primary canon, secondary canon, and what is non-canon. However that may end up changing now that Disney has the rights to Star Wars and the Timothy Zahn novels may no longer be canon with the new sequels being released.

That and George Lucas has been pretty consistent that the Star Wars expanded universe is an alternate universe, despite what Star Wars fans try to have you believe. There's a quote on that in a StarLog article somewhere.

In the case of Alien-Predator, well.. Xenomrph and I have talked about that.



Ask John Davis.

-Rakai'Thwei

QuoteBut some stories just do not go together and some of them don't even go with the films. The Hish mythos for example, and Destroying Angels.

QuoteThe Weyland-Yutani archive articles in the Blu-Ray for AvP-R were meant to be written in-universe as if actually by Weyland-Yutani staff, where as PREDATORS just used it for a title for a bonus segment and nothing more.

QuoteThat's... What?

QuoteAs for this AvP Canon Bible which Dark Horse has... Is there an actual quote on that?

QuoteThere's never been any attempt though to create one singular continuity.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 15, 2013, 07:20:21 AM
Destroying Angels is fine if you assume that the Engineers and the Space Jockeys are not the same thing (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=48920.0). The Hish thing is also pretty bizarre, but easy enough to write off as "not the same Predators seen in the movies". I've even seen the fan-theory tossed around that the Hish are the Super-Predators.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 15, 2013, 07:20:21 AM
I don't understand, what's the problem? ???

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 15, 2013, 07:20:21 AM
"Yeah, Fox tries to make sure all of the comics and novels (and upcoming video games) fit into an approved cannon and timeline.  They don't provide that timeline or restriction guide up front -- we usually have to do our own research based on pre-existing info available on the web and elsewhere -- but they do review and approve all proposals internally.  If something in the proposal doesn't fit the cannon, or is based on some innacurate fan-fiction claiming to be official, then they'll flag it as something that needs fixing.  They're not as strict as, say, Lucasfilm is with Star Wars, but then again they don't have as many bizarre, contradictory historical threads going on at once." -- Mike Kennedy, Dark Horse Comics

"The synopsis goes to Fox to make sure everything is copasetic with the rules of the licensed universe, and then, if it's approved, it goes back to the writer. Contract signed, book written, book delivered [...] Those are the kinds of things we look out for, and that Fox looks out for—the rules of the universe, but also the implications of the writing." -- from an interview with Dark Horse Press editors Rob Simpson and Victoria Blake

"We don't keep a continuity book or "bible" for those properties as we do not own them. When we have an idea for those properties, we pitch the ideas to FOX and they decide whether we can write those stories and whether they fit into the "timeline" of their properties. We have no say in those matters." - from Spencer at Dark Horse (dhcomics@darkhorse.com)

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 15, 2013, 01:00:43 PM
What exactly are the continuity discrepancies between Prometheus and Destroying Angels?

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 15, 2013, 05:58:08 PM

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 15, 2013, 01:00:43 PM
What exactly are the continuity discrepancies between Prometheus and Destroying Angels?

The Engineers were simply giant humanoids who happened to wear the suit which is infact the carcass which we see in the first Alien. The Space Jockeys in Destroying Angels were non-humanoid entities who were bio-mechanical giants that didn't wear any suits which is what the body in ALIEN and Prometheus is supposed to be.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 15, 2013, 09:47:41 PM
The suits the engineers wear were designed to be biomechanical (just like all their tech), in fact Dallas thought the Derelict ship in the first film/novelization looked like it had been grown, not built.  So it is possible that the Engineer decided to keep his suit on when he went into hypersleep and allowed it to function as a second skin so to speak.

Quote from: SM on Oct 15, 2013, 10:30:14 PM
The main problem with Destroying Angels for mine is the fact that the Company are running around aquiring Alien eggs with gay abandon from the LV-426 Derelict with scant regard for any sort of continuity, just 20 years after Alien.

Quote from: SM on Oct 15, 2013, 10:30:14 PM
Prometheus just compounds it with the Enginer thing.  This second skin thing doesn't work, because the Jockies in the comics have skin over what was previously thought to be a skeleton prior to Prometheus.  Turns out it's not a skeleton after all.

Quote from: SM on Oct 15, 2013, 11:14:43 PM
Prometheus did work fine.  It didn't mess anything up with the original source material.  Riddles probably isn't aware there's Jockies in comics, and wouldn't have cared if he did.

QuoteThat was the Derelict from LV-426?  I didn't know that, I thought it was a different ship on some other planet.

QuoteHow do we know it's really skin, and not a "second" skin?  I don't see any evidence that physically refutes my hypothesis.

QuoteThat really is an insult; when the Strause Bros. shit on Alien/AVP continuity, everybody complains, but when Riddles does it, nobody does.  Double standard, anyone?  Ridley should be just as dedicated to maintaining universe continuity as anyone else, if he doesn't like it then tough luck, he shouldn't have left the series.

Quote from: SM on Oct 15, 2013, 11:36:01 PM

QuoteHow do we know it's really skin, and not a "second" skin?  I don't see any evidence that physically refutes my hypothesis.

So they were a skin over their pilot suit then?  If this is the case what's the story with the Jockey in Alien.

Quote from: SM on Oct 15, 2013, 11:36:01 PM

QuoteThat really is an insult; when the Strause Bros. shit on Alien/AVP continuity, everybody complains, but when Riddles does it, nobody does.  Double standard, anyone?  Ridley should be just as dedicated to maintaining universe continuity as anyone else, if he doesn't like it then tough luck, he shouldn't have left the series.

What on Earth are you talking about?

What double standard?

When they made Alien3 did they pay attention to the comics?  No.  When they made Resurrection did they pay attention to the comics?  No.  Why should Ridley?  And which continuity did the Strauses shit on exactly?

QuoteAlien 3 happened during a phase that I consider a time when neither Fox nor any other publishing agency cared about continuity, I was hoping/under the impression that things had changed since then. 

QuoteAlso, I find it unforgiveable that Ridley just decided to ignore all the canon established in the AVP films; it was offensive and didn't show much in the way of class at all.

QuoteThe jockey in Alien, I believe, was also an Engineer in a "second skin" pilot suit, though of course you'll have to take the term "skin" metaphorically as the suit isn't actually a skin but acts like one in addition to being a space suit (one that can apparently grow hair for some strange reason ).

Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2013, 12:43:27 AM
What's that got to do with the Strauses?  Anderson and Davis went down that road first.

QuoteAlso, I find it unforgiveable that Ridley just decided to ignore all the canon established in the AVP films; it was offensive and didn't show much in the way of class at all.

They only thing he ignored was the Weyland thing - which was a stupid idea of Anderson's anyway.

QuoteWell, the Strauses put the Aliens in a public city which many fans thought was heretical.  Also, I think many fans claimed the eggbarfing method violated continuity standards.

Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2013, 01:27:09 AM
Maybe not, but he wouldn't have much say in the matter.  Cameron already changed the life cycle in Aliens.  Fincher killed off Hicks and Newt.

Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2013, 01:27:09 AM
Maybe not, but he wouldn't have much say in the matter.  Cameron already changed the life cycle in Aliens.  Fincher killed off Hicks and Newt.

QuoteWell, the Strauses put the Aliens in a public city which many fans thought was heretical.  Also, I think many fans claimed the eggbarfing method violated continuity standards.

The Strauses were noobs who did what they were told, and despite their supposed input into the script, they'd never have the clout to say 'Let's not set this in contemporary America'.  Davis wanted it that way and Salerno wrote it that way.

QuoteThe theory that the Space Jockeys and the Engineers are different species with some similarities, is nothing more than that. Theory. Most especially fan theory and perhaps fanfiction at best.

QuoteIt's not so much a problem but more like shock that you are suggesting that Big Red is canon. Also, the NECA backstory does imply that Dead End did infact happened, but because of legal red tape issues they are not allowed to directly mention Batman.

QuoteAlso they seem to imply that Fox lets their liscencees get away with a lot of things when it comes to producing EU material. For example, the Hish mythos and as much as I really hate to bring this one up-- the four armed Predator. I also find it funny that Dark Horse claims that Fox raises flags when it comes to something not fitting the canon, or even so much something which comes from fanfiction because otherwise if that were the case, we wouldn't have had the Hish mythos or even the four armed Predator.

QuoteAnd as for contradictory historical threads.. That's already happened with the films, and Fox doesn't seem to be going out their way to fix it. Now with this new continuity, well.. considering that it doesn't really connect or even retcon the old expanded material and isn't even going to use the AvP movies, well.. to me it kind of suggest that there is now another continuity and timeline despite Rodriguez and Scott not wanting PREDATORS and Prometheus to cross into AvP territory.

Quote from: SM on Oct 15, 2013, 11:14:43 PM
Prometheus did work fine.  It didn't mess anything up with the original source material.

QuoteThey've never cared about continuity, at least not to the point of enforcing it.

QuoteAnd Fox has never told comic or novel authors they must conform to other comics and novels - just the films.

QuoteVideo games constantly revisit the Derelict on LV-426.

QuoteI still think Ridley should have had the courtesy to at least acknowledge previous installments in the series; he wouldn't like it if somebody just wrote an Alien sequel that completely wrote over Prometheus.

QuoteBut at least those films had the decency to acknowledge the ones that came before.

QuoteWell, I wouldn't know every continuity flaw in the film; as you already know, I'm a fan of the flick, not a critic.

Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2013, 01:48:02 AM

QuoteBut at least those films had the decency to acknowledge the ones that came before.

Why did Riddles have to acknowledge AvP?

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 16, 2013, 02:31:26 AM
Because it's a story that happened in his franchise.  Is there a more valid reason than that?

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 16, 2013, 03:30:54 AM
Prometheus may be a new license but it DOES exist in the same universe as Alien and AVP; those were his words and the consequences of those words.

Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2013, 04:32:16 AM
Well obviously it doesn't.

By design.

The film is ambiguous about the Charles vs. Peter thing, but Fox would've approved all the promotional material, which unequivocally ignores AvP in the Prometheus continuity.

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 16, 2013, 04:24:43 AM
I think you guys misunderstood my post; Ridley's "words" were that this movie takes place in the Alien universe and the "consequences" were that it would also take place in the AVP universe by design.

QuoteA mentor and long-departed competitor once told me that it was time to put away childish things and abandon my "toys." He encouraged me to come work for him and together we would take over the world and become the new Gods. That's how he ran his corporation, like a God on top of a pyramid overlooking a city of angels. Of course, he chose to replicate the power of creation in an unoriginal way, by simply copying God. And look how that turned out for the poor bastard. Literally blew up in the old man's face. I always suggested he stick with simple robotics instead of those genetic abominations he enslaved and sold off-world, although his idea to implant them with false memories was, well... "amusing," is how I would put it politely.

Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2013, 04:32:16 AM
Well obviously it doesn't.

By design.

The film is ambiguous about the Charles vs. Peter thing, but Fox would've approved all the promotional material, which unequivocally ignores AvP in the Prometheus continuity.

QuoteThe thing is this with these new stories, PREDATORS and Prometheus weren't supposed to go together. Rodriguez and Scott said something along those lines, and they weren't supposed to be merged into AvP either.

QuoteI mean EU material is just that, secondary tier material that cannot override the primary tier material.

QuoteAnd the writers happen to be third party sources, who state that in their opinion, Prometheus and PREDATORS are canon with each other.

QuoteWe know that these new comics are a new and perhaps separate continuity based on what they have mentioned in the article, and from what Sebela has said on his Tumblr, but they are also not jettisoning the AvP movies or even the old comics from canon however they are not going to reference them or connect them either.

QuoteTo me this sounds like a whole new and separate continuity, and based from what was gathered it suggests that. Another spin-off or side story of the sort.. Kind of like the Hish mythos or something. I'm still trying to make sense of this..

My head hurts thinking about this.

Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2013, 05:27:45 AM
Yeah, but...

QuoteA mentor and long-departed competitor once told me that it was time to put away childish things and abandon my "toys." He encouraged me to come work for him and together we would take over the world and become the new Gods. That's how he ran his corporation, like a God on top of a pyramid overlooking a city of angels. Of course, he chose to replicate the power of creation in an unoriginal way, by simply copying God. And look how that turned out for the poor bastard. Literally blew up in the old man's face. I always suggested he stick with simple robotics instead of those genetic abominations he enslaved and sold off-world, although his idea to implant them with false memories was, well... "amusing," is how I would put it politely.

(Emphasis added).

Even if he doesn't say Tyrell Corporation (which he probably can't because it belongs to Warner Brothers) it's not really obscure.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 10, 2013, 08:24:08 PM
<p><a href=\"http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2013/07/25/prometheus-comic-announced/\">Earlier this year</a> we reported that Dark Horse would be launching a Prometheus comic series. Over the past several days news has been emerging that Dark Horse would also be launching new Alien, Predator and versus series. However, according to this <a href=\"http://io9.com/exclusive-details-on-the-comic-relaunch-of-alien-preda-1443548904\" target=\"_blank\">io9 article</a> Dark Horse intends to reboot the comic franchise and bridge all four franchises into a single continuity:</p><p><em>"The level of collaboration here between the writers is pretty phenomenal, actually. Chris, Paul, and Joshua are all friends of mine who I hang out with on a regular basis, but it was an interesting experience getting to sit together in one room with them and hash out the intricacies of these various characters and their individual stories, and how they would sync up and interact. When Scott brought me onboard, he described it as a "writer's room," which is something that I hadn't really been a part of before."</em></p><p><a href=\"http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/10102013_01.jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[18913]\"><img class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-18914\" alt=\"10102013_01\" src=\"http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/10102013_01.jpg\" width=\"500\" height=\"366\" /></a></p><p>The io9 article includes brief interviews with writers of all four series and includes several pieces of concept art by the series artists. I for one am very interested in this news. A solid EU continuity is something that the Aliens/Predator franchise just don't have. I'm excited to see where this goes.</p><p><a href=\"http://www.avpgalaxy.net/?p=18913\">Link To Post</a>

QuoteThis is awful news. This, you realize, means we will have some sort of ancient civilization of man as visited by Engineers and Predators at once crap. I am very apprehensive.

Quote from: CainsSon on Oct 22, 2013, 05:17:47 PM
This is awful news. This, you realize, means we will have some sort of ancient civilization of man as visited by Engineers and Predators at once crap. I am very apprehensive. I'd rather see them do something like link the 3 universes over different unrelated seasons of a TV series. But the key word there, is UNRELATED, except within the same universe.

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 22, 2013, 11:18:36 PM
The Black Super Predators may also be thrown somewhere in the mix.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 22, 2013, 11:26:08 PM

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 22, 2013, 11:18:36 PM
The Black Super Predators may also be thrown somewhere in the mix.

I most certainly hope to God not.. Please lord, no.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 23, 2013, 02:22:30 AM
If they're using the "Predators" license, it's almost a certainty.

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 23, 2013, 04:50:58 AM
Well, I wouldn't be sure that the Predators have been hunting Engineers for years

QuoteWe knew that they had created the Xenomorphs long ago, before Prometheus was even filmed.

Quote from: SM on Oct 22, 2013, 09:48:32 PM

QuoteThis is awful news. This, you realize, means we will have some sort of ancient civilization of man as visited by Engineers and Predators at once crap. I am very apprehensive.

So don't buy them then.

Quote from: CainsSon on Oct 24, 2013, 08:06:08 AM

Quote from: SM on Oct 22, 2013, 09:48:32 PM

QuoteThis is awful news. This, you realize, means we will have some sort of ancient civilization of man as visited by Engineers and Predators at once crap. I am very apprehensive.

So don't buy them then.

But if I don't buy them, and come on here VOICING MY OPINION and ideas on a communal fan forum, you might have one less person posting on here, and then however would you maintain your rarely insightful but always transparent, predictable condescending persona? What would happen then? Will I get blocked? Will you just respond with some other condescending brow beating? I can't wait to eat crow. - Edge of my seat!

This is an Alien Vrs Predator forum - maybe try and take yourself just a PINCH less seriously. Also instead of knocking everything everyone else say, try contributing / sharing some exciting ideas yourself. 

Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Oct 26, 2013, 01:11:44 AM
Anyways, back on topic...

A long time ago, I remember watching a fan-made short film, all CGI and looked similar to that old Transformers show Beast Wars. The premise was an explanation to the conflict between the different creatures. In a nut shell, Predators were battling Engineers on a full-out war. The Engineers, in turn, created the Aliens (Xenos) as a means to defeat the Predators. As it turned out, according to one fan's perspective, the Engineers were all but wiped out (coinciding with Aliens: Earth War story arc) and the Xeno infestation became a wide-spread problem. The Predators respected the Alien species as a worthy prey, gathering specimens when able and using them for hunts (like the AvP movie/graphic novels).

This was well before the BSP's were a thing, as well as Prometheus. I still think it's a cool prospect.

Quote from: SSj_Rambo on Oct 26, 2013, 08:54:45 PM

Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Oct 26, 2013, 01:11:44 AM
Anyways, back on topic...

A long time ago, I remember watching a fan-made short film, all CGI and looked similar to that old Transformers show Beast Wars. The premise was an explanation to the conflict between the different creatures. In a nut shell, Predators were battling Engineers on a full-out war. The Engineers, in turn, created the Aliens (Xenos) as a means to defeat the Predators. As it turned out, according to one fan's perspective, the Engineers were all but wiped out (coinciding with Aliens: Earth War story arc) and the Xeno infestation became a wide-spread problem. The Predators respected the Alien species as a worthy prey, gathering specimens when able and using them for hunts (like the AvP movie/graphic novels).

This was well before the BSP's were a thing, as well as Prometheus. I still think it's a cool prospect.

Do you have a link for that? Sounds like a crazy concept, but I do like and respect the attempts to tie it all together.

Quote from: PanCoreUnit on Oct 26, 2013, 03:48:49 PM
Plus trying to retcon  poopmetheus into it is not going to end well.

Quote from: SM on Oct 29, 2013, 01:31:12 AM
And Ripley was a never a robot in the comics.

Quote from: SM on Oct 29, 2013, 01:38:11 AM
Only the novelisation.  The comic rewrite never addresses Ripley's continued existance after Alien3.

Quote from: StrangeShape on Oct 29, 2013, 04:36:23 AM
Im not happy about the idea of there being a reboot because it then "resets" canon in comic books, then again, it was shaky as it was anyway. But Im a huge fan of Book I and II and hate to see it being discarded in, lets call it, "comic book" canon.

Quote from: SM on Oct 29, 2013, 05:03:27 AM
Book 1 and Book 2 can't fit with the film continuity anyway - and they haven't for 17 years.  Doesn't stop them being good comics.

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 29, 2013, 07:05:10 PM
Book 1 and Book 2 can still be canon, no one said they couldn't.

QuoteBook 1 and Book 2 can still be canon, no one said they couldn't.

Quote from: SSj_Rambo on Oct 29, 2013, 09:59:15 PM

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 29, 2013, 07:05:10 PM
Book 1 and Book 2 can still be canon, no one said they couldn't.

Well everyone has their own definition of canon, and for most people (in the world, not just this message board) the films are the basis, which would rule out Books 1 and 2.

Quote from: SM on Oct 29, 2013, 10:15:52 PM

QuoteBook 1 and Book 2 can still be canon, no one said they couldn't.

Any other material that conflicts with the Alien infestation of Earth doesn't consider them canon.

Fox has produced or licensed content that does just that.

Quote from: SM on Oct 30, 2013, 02:51:15 AM
Your way will be the "right" way, when it stands up to scrutiny.  Even when you rejig x and ignore y and reinterpret z, and it still doesn't work, it can't, by any measure, be called "right".

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 30, 2013, 05:01:34 PM
Every franchise you run into will be a mess, I'm beginning to think that people say the EU is not canon simply because they don't like the stories rather than on any other merit.

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 30, 2013, 05:37:54 PM
Lol, I WILL admit that, but that's still no reason to throw these stories in the trash; once they're out there, they're out there.

Quote from: Huntress84 on Oct 30, 2013, 05:36:44 PM

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 30, 2013, 05:01:34 PM
Every franchise you run into will be a mess, I'm beginning to think that people say the EU is not canon simply because they don't like the stories rather than on any other merit.

You have to admit there are some really bad Predator/AvP comics.

Quote from: PanCoreUnit on Oct 30, 2013, 04:52:34 PM
IMO the EU is a mess already.Also steve perry came out and said that comic Ripley was an android who does not know she is an android.

So take that as you will. :laugh:

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 30, 2013, 05:01:34 PM
Every franchise you run into will be a mess, I'm beginning to think that people say the EU is not canon simply because they don't like the stories rather than on any other merit.

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 30, 2013, 10:06:19 PM
To be fair, the ORIGINAL versions are now out of print and have been replaced with the NEW versions that fall in line with movie continuity.

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 01:37:32 AM

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 30, 2013, 05:01:34 PM
Every franchise you run into will be a mess, I'm beginning to think that people say the EU is not canon simply because they don't like the stories rather than on any other merit.

You're only beginning to think that?  People have been saying that at least 10 years.

QuoteYes, but my point is we can't just throw things out of canon just because there are continuity discrepancies because ALL franchises have those and they haven't done that at all.

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 01:37:32 AM

Quote from: PanCoreUnit on Oct 30, 2013, 04:52:34 PM
IMO the EU is a mess already.Also steve perry came out and said that comic Ripley was an android who does not know she is an android.

So take that as you will. :laugh:

Doesn't change the fact there's no reference to RoboRipley in the comic.

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 31, 2013, 02:21:36 AM
I'm not trying to enforce any continuity, I just want it stated that all EU is part of the official continuity; basically, I want to be able to say something like:

In Aliens Destroying Angels, the space jockey (aka Engineer) was in a space suit that appeared to be composed of ACTUAL living flesh that had hair on it.  Juxtaposing from this, it can be assumed that even their technology may have hints of their biological DNA in them (as is hinted by the description of their tech as bio-technological); here, the suit acts not only as a suit but also as a second skin.

Without being told that it's "not canon" because all the evidence DOES suggest it is canon and while they may have the majority vote, the people who believe otherwise are in the minority opinion (and by minority opinion, I mean that they are most likely wrong because the evidence points that way rather than because of any personal belief on the matter).

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 31, 2013, 02:26:25 AM

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 31, 2013, 02:21:36 AM
I'm not trying to enforce any continuity, I just want it stated that all EU is part of the official continuity; basically, I want to be able to say something like:

In Aliens Destroying Angels, the space jockey (aka Engineer) was in a space suit that appeared to be composed of ACTUAL living flesh that had hair on it.  Juxtaposing from this, it can be assumed that even their technology may have hints of their biological DNA in them (as is hinted by the description of their tech as bio-technological); here, the suit acts not only as a suit but also as a second skin.

Without being told that it's "not canon" because all the evidence DOES suggest it is canon and while they may have the majority vote, the people who believe otherwise are in the minority opinion (and by minority opinion, I mean that they are most likely wrong because the evidence points that way rather than because of any personal belief on the matter).

I'm going to have to side with SM on this one - I don't think it matters if individual people take a given source as "canon" or not, what matters is what you think and what you enjoy. I'm not going to dictate to other people what they can and cannot enjoy, or how they can enjoy it, and I'd expect the same courtesy from others.

I'm happy in the knowledge that FOX considers the EU canon, and likewise others are happy to disregard anything FOX says for any number of reasons. There's nothing wrong with this. :)

Quote from: predxeno on Oct 31, 2013, 02:21:36 AM
I'm not trying to enforce any continuity, I just want it stated that all EU is part of the official continuity; basically, I want to be able to say something like:

In Aliens Destroying Angels, the space jockey (aka Engineer) was in a space suit that appeared to be composed of ACTUAL living flesh that had hair on it.  Juxtaposing from this, it can be assumed that even their technology may have hints of their biological DNA in them (as is hinted by the description of their tech as bio-technological); here, the suit acts not only as a suit but also as a second skin.

Without being told that it's "not canon" because all the evidence DOES suggest it is canon and while they may have the majority vote, the people who believe otherwise are in the minority opinion (and by minority opinion, I mean that they are most likely wrong because the evidence points that way rather than because of any personal belief on the matter).

QuoteWhat really gets me is how the writer for these new AVP series comics say that he's simply not going to include the AVP movies in his canon simply because the fan community says so. 

QuoteIn the end, what I'm saying is that stories deserve to be told for what they are and shouldn't have to make adjustments to what people want, that doesn't determine a good story, it's what comes into a writer's mind in its truest form that really sells.

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 03:17:08 AM
Could be like the Sacrifice comic for example.  No direct link to any film character or event.  Not even the Company rates a mention

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 03:17:08 AM
You can say that, if you like.  Just don't expect everyone to buy it, because many people will think it's a stupid idea that makes no sense and lacks any substance whatsoever.

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 03:17:08 AM

QuoteWhat really gets me is how the writer for these new AVP series comics say that he's simply not going to include the AVP movies in his canon simply because the fan community says so. 

Did he actually say that?  Even if he did, you don't know what form that'll take.  It may simply ignore the films (ie. the events don't follow Bouvet/ Gunnison and the characters aren't Lex, Dallas, pizza boy, Ripley clone and Newt clone), but not outright negate their existance.  Could be like the Sacrifice comic for example.  No direct link to any film character or event.  Not even the Company rates a mention.

And if they do choose to negate the films - that's a commercial decision they have to live with, but one not many people will ultimately lose sleep over; the films aren't well liked.  Even by people who like them.  Might also be a licensing decision - they may not have access to the AvP film license - despite the fact it was born out of them combining the two creatures in the first place.

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 03:17:08 AM

QuoteIn the end, what I'm saying is that stories deserve to be told for what they are and shouldn't have to make adjustments to what people want, that doesn't determine a good story, it's what comes into a writer's mind in its truest form that really sells.

Which directly flies in the face of what you've been saying about Ridley Scott and Prometheus.  If he changed his story to conform with AvP, wouldn't that be it being adjusted to what YOU - the fan, whose demands should be ignored - want?

QuoteI have Fox saying it's canon (however shallow their words are) which is much more than what fans have fighting for their arguments.

QuoteAlso the entire "only movies are canon" argument is possibly the worst explanation I've heard mention on this site, NOT because the idea itself is dumb, but because in order to use it properly people go through a maze of double standards and hypocrisies; one only needs to mention the AVP films to expose the twisted reality of this proclaimed truth. 

QuoteThe reason people say "only movies are canon" and not "only SOME movies are canon" is because that single word "SOME" has the power to cast doubt over their entire argument; it implies that their standards of justification is faulty and that films such as fan-favorites Alien, Aliens, and Predator may be considered non-canon as well while hated films such as Alien Resurrection and Predator 2 have more firepower over the ones fans want to be on top.  In order to resolve this, fans will either have to admit that this line of reasoning is either incorrect if they want to preserve the dignity of the original films or they will have to admit that the EU may be considered canon as well.

QuoteA scriptwriter can write from the heart for a future Alien film, but it DOESN'T mean he can choose to resurrect Ripley without giving a decent explanation for it (if any exists at all); there are rules and requirements that are placed implicitly on people who want to add to an already established franchise and they should be enforced to the strictest extent.

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 03:45:45 AM

QuoteAlso the entire "only movies are canon" argument is possibly the worst explanation I've heard mention on this site, NOT because the idea itself is dumb, but because in order to use it properly people go through a maze of double standards and hypocrisies; one only needs to mention the AVP films to expose the twisted reality of this proclaimed truth. 

Possibly why many people don't consider AvP canon.

Though your accusations of hypocrisy are rather amusing...

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 03:45:45 AM

QuoteThe reason people say "only movies are canon" and not "only SOME movies are canon" is because that single word "SOME" has the power to cast doubt over their entire argument; it implies that their standards of justification is faulty and that films such as fan-favorites Alien, Aliens, and Predator may be considered non-canon as well while hated films such as Alien Resurrection and Predator 2 have more firepower over the ones fans want to be on top.  In order to resolve this, fans will either have to admit that this line of reasoning is either incorrect if they want to preserve the dignity of the original films or they will have to admit that the EU may be considered canon as well.

You know, I think you'll be a lot happier when you learn to accept what you cannot change.

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 03:45:45 AM
Rules can be chucked out the window depending on whose in charge.  The final product lives and dies on whether people accept it or not.  You cold probably count the people who cared that Prometheus ignored AvP on one hand.

QuoteYes that's true however I fight for what I believe in and I don't turn away just because it's easier, if it that means I have to sacrifice certain pleasures in life, like happiness, so be it.

QuoteWe can also count A:CM and their resurrection of Hicks (which I liked, btw), but then again we're running into that double standard where the fan base is overtly harsh on products they don't like and overtly lenient and products they do; I believe in a neutral opinion unaffected by one's feelings toward the title.

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 04:24:07 AM

QuoteYes that's true however I fight for what I believe in and I don't turn away just because it's easier, if it that means I have to sacrifice certain pleasures in life, like happiness, so be it.

And how's that working out for you?

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 04:24:07 AM

QuoteWe can also count A:CM and their resurrection of Hicks (which I liked, btw), but then again we're running into that double standard where the fan base is overtly harsh on products they don't like and overtly lenient and products they do; I believe in a neutral opinion unaffected by one's feelings toward the title.

I believe in a neutral opinion where the actual content is assessed against whether it conforms with the primary source material and unaffected by the fact it simply has 'Aliens' slapped on it.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 31, 2013, 03:22:37 AM

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 03:17:08 AM
Could be like the Sacrifice comic for example.  No direct link to any film character or event.  Not even the Company rates a mention

To be fair, doesn't Sacrifice reference the infestation of Earth?

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 08:45:57 AM
That's not ironic.

QuoteYup, it does. One of my favorite stories too btw, its moody

QuoteSo what have you got against A:CM continuity-wise?

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 10:43:02 PM

QuoteYup, it does. One of my favorite stories too btw, its moody

Alien infestation of Earth has nothing to do with any of the films.  Which was my point.

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 10:43:02 PM

QuoteSo what have you got against A:CM continuity-wise?

Everything.  None of it fits with the films or indeed, other EU material.

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 10:43:02 PM

QuoteSo what have you got against A:CM continuity-wise?

Everything.  None of it fits with the films or indeed, other EU material.

Quote- Hadley and the AP were vapourised.
- Hicks is dead.

Quote- People wake up with huggers on their faces, rather than the hugger crawling off to die.
- Hicks wakes up in his tube, instead of the tube opening and then him waking up.
- You don't open a locked door by running a welder along where the doors meet - you melt the lock.

Quote- The Sulaco and colony are riddled with mistakes compared to the film.
- The recreation of the end of Alien3 also has a number of mistakes.

Quote- The Sephora intercepted the Sulaco about 3 months before the game started, and the Sulaco had a giant hole blown in it's lower forward hull and was sent spinning off into space, a couple of weeks or so later.

Quote- The Hicks they wake up in SI is fully clothed, yet the guy who comically gets punched into his tube is dressed like Hicks was at the end of Aliens (boxers and bandages).

Quote- Hicks armour is able to teleport from the colony and repair itself.

Quote- The comic attached to A:CM shows that the Sephora was swarming with Aliens and WY commandos just prior to the events in the game.

QuoteI think that's just to symbolize sort of suspense so that the viewer will be surprised to find out that it's actually Turk who went to Fury 161; if the two were dressed the same, then there'd be no surprise.

QuoteI don't understand.

QuoteWe're keeping things on the game now, but some people can argue that Randy Pitchford declared all Dark Horse Aliens comics non-canon; supposedly this includes the comic they made to promote Pitchford's own game that he was trying to sell, seems like a pretty stupid screw up on Pitchford's part or a deliberate stab in the back.

Quote from: SM on Nov 01, 2013, 05:57:32 AM

QuoteI think that's just to symbolize sort of suspense so that the viewer will be surprised to find out that it's actually Turk who went to Fury 161; if the two were dressed the same, then there'd be no surprise.

It's still a continuity error.  A fairly dopey one, possibly brought about by the devs not wanting to create another Hicks model.

Quote from: SM on Nov 01, 2013, 05:57:32 AM

QuoteI don't understand.

Hicks wears the same armour with the same customisation as he does in the film - despite it being destroyed in the film.

QuoteA fairly dopey one, possibly brought about by the devs not wanting to create another Hicks model.

QuoteHicks wears the same armour with the same customisation as he does in the film - despite it being destroyed in the film.

Quote from: SM on Nov 01, 2013, 06:08:30 AM
The predictable straw graspage and plugging of ears and "LALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING!" ensues...

Quote from: SM on Nov 01, 2013, 09:51:44 PM
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:laugh:

Since every time I back my stuff up it's duly ignored, twisted, or reinterpreted to the point of braindead idiocy, i'ma stop now.

Quote from: SM on Nov 01, 2013, 09:51:44 PM
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:laugh:

Since every time I back my stuff up it's duly ignored, twisted, or reinterpreted to the point of braindead idiocy, i'ma stop now.

Quote from: SiL on Nov 01, 2013, 11:01:06 PM

Quote from: SM on Nov 01, 2013, 09:51:44 PM
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:laugh:

Since every time I back my stuff up it's duly ignored, twisted, or reinterpreted to the point of braindead idiocy, i'ma stop now.

So close, SM. So close, yet so far.

Quote from: predxeno on Nov 02, 2013, 01:56:08 AM
So you wanna continue this argument or are you stepping out and admitting defeat?

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 10:43:02 PM

QuoteYup, it does. One of my favorite stories too btw, its moody

I recently re-read Sacrifice, and with a hefty suspension of disbelief, it's very good.  Artwork is fantastic, as is most of the writiing.

Quote from: predxeno on Nov 02, 2013, 03:16:58 AM
Well, by stepping out at this juncture, he is forfeiting the argument and really is admitting the defeat; I guess I hit him with an argument he couldn't counter.

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Nov 02, 2013, 08:48:31 AM

Quote from: predxeno on Nov 02, 2013, 03:16:58 AM
Well, by stepping out at this juncture, he is forfeiting the argument and really is admitting the defeat; I guess I hit him with an argument he couldn't counter.

You're hilarious Predxeno. It's impossible to argue with people like you (I.e. "everything is canon" posse)

Quote from: StrangeShape on Nov 02, 2013, 05:11:59 AM

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 10:43:02 PM

QuoteYup, it does. One of my favorite stories too btw, its moody

I recently re-read Sacrifice, and with a hefty suspension of disbelief, it's very good.  Artwork is fantastic, as is most of the writiing.

It was a pleasant surprise for me. I never heard of it untill I got the Omnibus. People always praise Labyrinth most often but I never heard any praise or mention of Sacrifice. I was surprised how good this little horror story is and the artwork is great. Even the alien's design is so detailed and faithfully recreating Kane's Son

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Nov 02, 2013, 08:48:31 AM

Quote from: predxeno on Nov 02, 2013, 03:16:58 AM
Well, by stepping out at this juncture, he is forfeiting the argument and really is admitting the defeat; I guess I hit him with an argument he couldn't counter.

You're hilarious Predxeno. It's impossible to argue with people like you (I.e. "everything is canon" posse) - its frustrating and doesn't lead anywhere. You don't listen; select what to counter and then interpret it ass-backward ending up twisting it to fit your crusade. It's tiring, meaningless and downright excruciating.

The fact that you believe that the reason SM isn't answering back is because you really believe you 'won' the argument just proves my point.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 02, 2013, 01:13:11 PM

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Nov 02, 2013, 08:48:31 AM

Quote from: predxeno on Nov 02, 2013, 03:16:58 AM
Well, by stepping out at this juncture, he is forfeiting the argument and really is admitting the defeat; I guess I hit him with an argument he couldn't counter.

You're hilarious Predxeno. It's impossible to argue with people like you (I.e. "everything is canon" posse)

Whoa whoa whoa, I'd really prefer it if you didn't lump me in with him in this case. Predxeno and I may agree on the idea that "everything is canon", but our reasons for why we feel that way are pretty different, and if you read through this thread there have been plenty of instances where I outright disagreed with him and supported SM.

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Nov 02, 2013, 08:48:31 AM

Quote from: predxeno on Nov 02, 2013, 03:16:58 AM
Well, by stepping out at this juncture, he is forfeiting the argument and really is admitting the defeat; I guess I hit him with an argument he couldn't counter.

You're hilarious Predxeno. It's impossible to argue with people like you (I.e. "everything is canon" posse) - its frustrating and doesn't lead anywhere. You don't listen; select what to counter and then interpret it ass-backward ending up twisting it to fit your crusade. It's tiring, meaningless and downright excruciating.

The fact that you believe that the reason SM isn't answering back is because you really believe you 'won' the argument just proves my point.

Quote from: predxeno on Nov 02, 2013, 10:06:57 PM
Well, this is the first time I have brought up the "double standard" argument regarding canon so it shouldn't be as excruciating as previous debates, besides I haven't even attacked you for your standing (a respect that isn't reciprocated).

Quote from: SM on Nov 02, 2013, 10:03:06 PM

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Nov 02, 2013, 08:48:31 AM

Quote from: predxeno on Nov 02, 2013, 03:16:58 AM
Well, by stepping out at this juncture, he is forfeiting the argument and really is admitting the defeat; I guess I hit him with an argument he couldn't counter.

You're hilarious Predxeno. It's impossible to argue with people like you (I.e. "everything is canon" posse) - its frustrating and doesn't lead anywhere. You don't listen; select what to counter and then interpret it ass-backward ending up twisting it to fit your crusade. It's tiring, meaningless and downright excruciating.

The fact that you believe that the reason SM isn't answering back is because you really believe you 'won' the argument just proves my point.

I would've said that like bashing your against a brick wall, it feels good when you stop; but 'excrutiating' is much more succinct.

QuoteIt has been brought up before. Plenty of times.

Good try though!

Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 03, 2013, 02:17:48 AM
I forgot, Beagle has me on ignore. So it seems he was lumping me in with predxeno on this one, oh well.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 03, 2013, 02:17:48 AM

QuoteIt has been brought up before. Plenty of times.

Good try though!

To be fair it's never really been responded to, though. :P

Quote from: predxeno on Nov 03, 2013, 03:10:55 AM

Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 03, 2013, 02:17:48 AM
I forgot, Beagle has me on ignore. So it seems he was lumping me in with predxeno on this one, oh well.

Why does Beagle have you on ignore? ???

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 03, 2013, 09:43:59 AM
Enough. I'm sick of these threads turning into canon arguments. It's boring.

Quote from: StrangeShape on Nov 02, 2013, 05:11:59 AM
It was a pleasant surprise for me. I never heard of it untill I got the Omnibus. People always praise Labyrinth most often but I never heard any praise or mention of Sacrifice. I was surprised how good this little horror story is and the artwork is great. Even the alien's design is so detailed and faithfully recreating Kane's Son

Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2013, 08:39:46 PM
Labyrinth is hardly a typical Colonial Marines story.

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Nov 16, 2013, 08:55:57 PM

Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2013, 08:39:46 PM
Labyrinth is hardly a typical Colonial Marines story.

I know. But the Colonial Marines are still there and the main character (Crespi) is a Colonial Marine. But I do agree with you that Labyrinth is far from a stockpile CM story.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Nov 17, 2013, 02:33:40 AM
Not so much the comic versions but I do enjoy reading the novelizations of Berserker (Stephani Perry does the best job catching the locker room mentality of people with guns) and Music of the Spears.

I actually didn't mind the latest Aliens comics to be honest....................until you found out it was a setup for a shitty AvP comic.

AvP and AvP Eternal are the best of those comics.

Quote from: happypred on Nov 19, 2013, 09:37:59 AM
I remember in 2009 when I got so excited for the new A/P/AvP comic series...and the I got my hands on AvP: Three World War with its retarded art...

I don't even mind Machiko running around decapitating aliens and predators with her wristblades (OK, I do), but I just want some decently coloured non-cartoonish realistic art

Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 20, 2013, 12:47:01 AM
I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. "Ignoring" might only extend as far as "not referencing the specific events/characters of", and by that metric most of the comics "ignore" each other. AvP Evolution largely "ignores" the AvP movies (aside from including the AvP Pred armors as unlockables) and that game is a hoot. "Ignores" also doesn't automatically mean "outright contradicts". 'Predators' ignored 'Predator 2', but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Quote from: SM on Nov 20, 2013, 07:05:12 AM
You mean how Cameron rehashed a shit tonne of beats from Alien?

I don't remember ever picking up on those things from AvP.  At least not enough to care.

I don't mind rehashing - as long as it doesn't look like rehashing.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 20, 2013, 01:01:41 PM

Quote from: SM on Nov 20, 2013, 07:05:12 AM
You mean how Cameron rehashed a shit tonne of beats from Alien?

I don't remember ever picking up on those things from AvP.  At least not enough to care.

I don't mind rehashing - as long as it doesn't look like rehashing.

This. There's a difference between an homage for homage's sake (like, say, the opening titles to AvPR where they toss in the motion tracker sound effects just cuz), an homage that's thematically appropriate, and an homage that's not necessarily an homage because that implies intent on the creator's part.

QuoteThe AvP movies, Predators, A:R, I like them. They're fun movies. But when you analyze them, compare and contrast them, and take a step back to see how they fit into the overall story arc, you start to realize (IMO) they subtract more than they add to the franchises.

Quote from: SM on Nov 21, 2013, 12:55:01 AM

QuoteThe AvP movies, Predators, A:R, I like them. They're fun movies. But when you analyze them, compare and contrast them, and take a step back to see how they fit into the overall story arc, you start to realize (IMO) they subtract more than they add to the franchises.

Yet when you analyze Resurrection, there's more going on than people are aware of, when you take Christian symbolism and the Return (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth#Return) of Campbell's monomyth into account.

Of course most people couldn't give enough of a shit about Resurrection, but there you go.

Quote-Alien acid will conveniently not burn away the environment should the producer/director not want it to

Quote from: SM on Nov 21, 2013, 01:25:50 AM
There's a lot of Christian symbolism througout, in terms of crucifix imagery (the shape of the Betty or Call falling into the water after being shot by Wren) the shape of the Auriga docking bays and how they recall a a cathedral shape, Ripley's arms folded over her chest in the cloning tank in the same way a non-Catholic would receive a blessing during communion (Call crosses herself in the chapel but Ripley doesn't), the number 8 being the number of renewal and new beginnings, Ripley's 'stigmata' with Call's knife.

With the monomyth thing, Ressurection hits a number of beats:
Refusal of the Return - Ripley's general disinterest in the events early on in the film.
Magic Flight - Escape from the Aliens smashing into her cell using the 'boon' (ie. her Alien biology)
Rescue from without - Call coaxing out Ripley's humanity
Crossing the return threshold - Possibly Ripley shooting the Alien's head off and siding with the humans
Master of two worlds - The Newborn siding with Ripley rather than the Queen and how Ripley uses that to ultimately destroy it
Freedom to live - Pretty obvious

Now, I'm not saying that any of this is intentional, and it doesn't stop it being a flawed film.  But, as I said, there you go.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 21, 2013, 05:35:12 AM

Quote-Alien acid will conveniently not burn away the environment should the producer/director not want it to

The thing is, that was true of all the movies even before 'AvP'.

QuoteHuh that's cool that you made those distinctions. So do you like it for those reasons or do the flaws hurt it more, in your opinion?

QuoteIn theory, yes, but on screen, I would argue that the movies all respected this piece of lore that was established in the original film. That is, which of the 4 Alien movies had a scene where the acid blood was anything less than acidic? AvPR in particular had a few scenes where the Alien blood had no effect on the area where it landed (presumably, we can't see every detail, darkness notwithstanding). 

QuoteIn theory, yes, but on screen, I would argue that the movies all respected this piece of lore that was established in the original film. That is, which of the 4 Alien movies had a scene where the acid blood was anything less than acidic? AvPR in particular had a few scenes where the Alien blood had no effect on the area where it landed (presumably, we can't see every detail, darkness notwithstanding). 

Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 22, 2013, 09:21:52 AM

QuoteIn theory, yes, but on screen, I would argue that the movies all respected this piece of lore that was established in the original film. That is, which of the 4 Alien movies had a scene where the acid blood was anything less than acidic? AvPR in particular had a few scenes where the Alien blood had no effect on the area where it landed (presumably, we can't see every detail, darkness notwithstanding). 

There's a bunch of scenes where the Alien acid is incredibly potent, arguably moreso than in any other movie in the series. The only scene in AvPR I can think of where the acid didn't have an apparent effect was when the Predalien spit up acid after Wolf yanked its inner jaw out at the very end, but I wrote that off as artistic license/Wolf being seconds away from dying and not giving a shit.

Meanwhile in 'Aliens' we see that Alien acid can go through multiple floors of metal grating ("Looks like someone bagged one of Ripley's bad guys") and melt Drake's face off in seconds, but when Hicks blows one's head off with a shotgun and gets acid on Hudson's arm it's hardly even debilitating for him, and later in the movie Hicks takes a face (and chest) full of acid in the elevator and he survives it. Likewise, who knows what circumstances caused the acid-hole through multiple floors, but it evidently wasn't explosives and gunfire because we see that happen all over the place in the Ops battle with no acid damage to anyone or anything we can see.

In 'Alien' 1 drop of facehugger blood is enough to go through several decks, but when the Alien takes a speargun shot to the stomach, the acid has no effect.
Although in its defense I'm more than willing to accept that facehugger blood is more potent than adult Alien blood (it even follows a real-world trend where the "venom" of adolescent animals is more potent than that of adults, as a defense mechanism), and that at that point in the series the creators may not have intended for the adult Alien to have acid blood like the facehugger did.

In 'Alien3', the Alien spits acid in Murphy's face and completely ruins his shit, but at the end of the movie when the thing literally explodes, there's no visible effect of the acid on anything at all.

In 'Alien Resurrection', an Alien bleeding goes through multiple decks (and sets the others loose), but when Ripley puts a gun in one's mouth and blows its head off, there's no apparent effect of the acid on anything (nor is there when Johner makes one's head explode on the ladder).

My point is the acid's effect has always been inconsistent, in every movie.

Quote from: SM on Nov 22, 2013, 10:14:39 AM

QuoteIn theory, yes, but on screen, I would argue that the movies all respected this piece of lore that was established in the original film. That is, which of the 4 Alien movies had a scene where the acid blood was anything less than acidic? AvPR in particular had a few scenes where the Alien blood had no effect on the area where it landed (presumably, we can't see every detail, darkness notwithstanding). 

Acid is as nasty as the scene demands.  If an Alien gets shot and it doesn't matter where the acid hits - the won't bother showing it.  Doesn't make is less acidic.  However shoot an Alien up close - then it becomes relevant.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 20, 2013, 12:47:01 AMI disliked TWW a lot when it first came out, but on re-reading it.... I still like it the least out of the 3 2009 series that came out

Quote from: PanCoreUnit on Nov 19, 2013, 06:04:52 PMIMO TWW was a mess of a series. Random human/pred team up,Machiko killing preds with one blow, using karete against xenos,ETC.

Quote from: predxeno on Nov 20, 2013, 12:33:54 AMI think the allying of Machiko with the Predators in TWW was some vain attempt to pay homage to the original AVP comics, which was pretty stupid; a new entry into a series needs to make its own footprint, not step into one that was made decades back.

Quote from: happypred on Nov 23, 2013, 03:20:08 PM

Do we agree that TWW's art is atrocious?

Quote from: happypred on Nov 23, 2013, 03:20:08 PM

Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 20, 2013, 12:47:01 AMI disliked TWW a lot when it first came out, but on re-reading it.... I still like it the least out of the 3 2009 series that came out

Quote from: PanCoreUnit on Nov 19, 2013, 06:04:52 PMIMO TWW was a mess of a series. Random human/pred team up,Machiko killing preds with one blow, using karete against xenos,ETC.

Quote from: predxeno on Nov 20, 2013, 12:33:54 AMI think the allying of Machiko with the Predators in TWW was some vain attempt to pay homage to the original AVP comics, which was pretty stupid; a new entry into a series needs to make its own footprint, not step into one that was made decades back.

Do we agree that TWW's art is atrocious?

Quote from: predxeno on Nov 23, 2013, 03:23:18 PMI never really paid attention to that; the plot was my main focus.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 23, 2013, 04:48:13 PMTWW's art was pretty f**king bad. However I seem to recall reading that they actually cleaned the art up a bit between the single-issue release and the trade-paperback release. I've got both, but I've only read the TPB recently. The art in the TPB is still pretty bad, though.

Quote from: SM on Nov 22, 2013, 09:10:13 PM
The lack of acid damage when the Predator got showered in it was mindbogglingly dumb.  Same when he stomped on the Aliens head.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 22, 2013, 09:21:52 AMThere's a bunch of scenes where the Alien acid is incredibly potent, arguably moreso than in any other movie in the series. The only scene in AvPR I can think of where the acid didn't have an apparent effect was when the Predalien spit up acid after Wolf yanked its inner jaw out at the very end, but I wrote that off as artistic license/Wolf being seconds away from dying and not giving a shit.

QuoteYeyinde held his head high as `A'ni-de traced a claw wet with Hard Meat thwei in the space between his eyes. He ignored the sharp sting as the acid thwei cut into his flesh to mingle with his own blood, blood that neutralized much of the Hard Meat's power. The burning mark was proof of his skill and his adulthood, a jagged etched badge for all to see......The warrior dipped one claw into the alien blood and then spat on the claw. His own blood mixed with the alien's acidic ichor. That was part of it. His blood would partly neutralize the potent chemicals from the Hard Meat. Moving with great care, he reached out and etched his mark into her pale skin, on the forehead, between her eyes. He managed to keep his hand from shaking long enough to draw his symbol.

Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Nov 24, 2013, 05:38:20 PMExactly. It wouldn't be so bad had we seen him don some kind of acid-proof armor

Quote from: StrangeShape on Nov 23, 2013, 05:39:12 PM
omplaloopmpamorph

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 14, 2013, 01:33:32 AM

Quote from: SM on Oct 14, 2013, 01:26:30 AM
We may end up laughing at them too.

Personally, I just can't help but shake my head at all of this. Maybe that's the pessimist in me though.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2013, 07:49:45 PM
I didn't have a problem with the TWW art.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 29, 2013, 05:17:08 AM
Compared to the other two 2009 series, it was pretty shit.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 29, 2013, 06:16:34 AM
Have you read 'Aliens: The Female War'? ;)

Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Nov 29, 2013, 03:44:34 PM

Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 29, 2013, 06:16:34 AM
Have you read 'Aliens: The Female War'? ;)

Yes. Both the comic in the omnibus and the paperback

Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 30, 2013, 09:40:28 PM
It's a pretty huge step down in quality from books 1 and 2. Likely some of the worst A/P/AvP comic book art to date, in my opinion.

Quote from: SM on Dec 01, 2013, 07:52:26 PM
It's not just the art that's an issue.  The writing is very sub par compared to the first two series.  And was made worse by the Billie/ Wilks re-write.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 14, 2013, 03:09:52 AM
I actually can't remember seeing any Mignola art of a Predator.

QuoteMike knows Ridley Scott and folks at his office. When Prometheus was first coming together as a film, our contact at Fox told us she wouldn't license it to anyone else, given the history with Aliens and Predator at Dark Horse. But then Ridley Scott didn't want a comic at that time. With the first movie behind them, and gearing up for a second, they loosened up on the idea, and Mike pitched them—Scott's office—on the idea of an interconnected set of books, Prometheus, Aliens, AVP, and Predator, that would follow in the wake of the first film, and put some more answers on the table.

QuoteOne of the challenges with the Aliens and Predator licenses is that the properties are monsters, they're rubber suits, special effects. Readers can't get emotionally connected to an Alien or a Predator. Although we'll test that question with Predator

Quote from: happypred on Dec 16, 2013, 03:03:35 AM

QuoteOne of the challenges with the Aliens and Predator licenses is that the properties are monsters, they're rubber suits, special effects. Readers can't get emotionally connected to an Alien or a Predator. Although we'll test that question with Predator

I hope this means we'll have a main predator who gets the spotlight (rather than a "hero" predator)

A pred character like Broken Tusk but less sympathetic would be cool

Quote from: happypred on Dec 16, 2013, 03:03:35 AM
Some interesting quotes...

QuoteMike knows Ridley Scott and folks at his office. When Prometheus was first coming together as a film, our contact at Fox told us she wouldn't license it to anyone else, given the history with Aliens and Predator at Dark Horse. But then Ridley Scott didn't want a comic at that time. With the first movie behind them, and gearing up for a second, they loosened up on the idea, and Mike pitched them—Scott's office—on the idea of an interconnected set of books, Prometheus, Aliens, AVP, and Predator, that would follow in the wake of the first film, and put some more answers on the table.

Apparently, Ridley Scott is OK with the combined continuity storyline. In theory, this should bode well

Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 16, 2013, 04:14:44 AM

Quote from: happypred on Dec 16, 2013, 03:03:35 AM
Some interesting quotes...

QuoteMike knows Ridley Scott and folks at his office. When Prometheus was first coming together as a film, our contact at Fox told us she wouldn't license it to anyone else, given the history with Aliens and Predator at Dark Horse. But then Ridley Scott didn't want a comic at that time. With the first movie behind them, and gearing up for a second, they loosened up on the idea, and Mike pitched them—Scott's office—on the idea of an interconnected set of books, Prometheus, Aliens, AVP, and Predator, that would follow in the wake of the first film, and put some more answers on the table.

Apparently, Ridley Scott is OK with the combined continuity storyline. In theory, this should bode well

Hah, that's pretty interesting.

I mean granted you could interpret it as "Ridley Scott's movie is done and he got to tell the story he wanted to tell, he doesn't care what anybody else does outside of his movie" but either way it's pretty interesting.

And yeah I'm hoping for a "main character" Predator, maybe even one who survives the story or comes back and cameoes across multiple stories. There aren't a whole lot of Predators who manage to do that. :P

Quote from: happypred on Dec 16, 2013, 09:16:02 AM
A main predator like the predator in South China Sea would be totally sweet

Quote from: happypred on Dec 16, 2013, 03:03:35 AM

QuoteMike knows Ridley Scott and folks at his office. When Prometheus was first coming together as a film, our contact at Fox told us she wouldn't license it to anyone else, given the history with Aliens and Predator at Dark Horse. But then Ridley Scott didn't want a comic at that time. With the first movie behind them, and gearing up for a second, they loosened up on the idea, and Mike pitched them—Scott's office—on the idea of an interconnected set of books, Prometheus, Aliens, AVP, and Predator, that would follow in the wake of the first film, and put some more answers on the table.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 16, 2013, 02:12:56 PM

Quote from: happypred on Dec 16, 2013, 09:16:02 AM
A main predator like the predator in South China Sea would be totally sweet

Or Concrete Jungle..

Quote from: happypred on Dec 16, 2013, 03:03:35 AM

QuoteMike knows Ridley Scott and folks at his office. When Prometheus was first coming together as a film, our contact at Fox told us she wouldn't license it to anyone else, given the history with Aliens and Predator at Dark Horse. But then Ridley Scott didn't want a comic at that time. With the first movie behind them, and gearing up for a second, they loosened up on the idea, and Mike pitched them—Scott's office—on the idea of an interconnected set of books, Prometheus, Aliens, AVP, and Predator, that would follow in the wake of the first film, and put some more answers on the table.

Just don't have the storylines including those Super Black abominations, and no Preserve Planets.. And I'll be happy!

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Dec 16, 2013, 05:49:38 PM
See, after rewatching Predators last week, I can say I did like it. What I didn't like was that in making another "Predator" species, they made the original obsolete, as if those creatures are so far inferior, they pose little challenge to Super Preds. I feel that does the previous films and tie-ins no justice.
Nor do I have a problem with the movie's setting. It reminded me a lot of AvP Hunter's Planet, but with the twist that it was Predator controlled to begin with.

Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Dec 16, 2013, 05:49:38 PM
What I would like to see is a movie about the Yautja erradicating the Super Preds in a huge war, hunting them down like the Jedi in Revenge of the Sith, with the idea at the end that there are still a few SP's out there that could potentially make appearances for future titles.   

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 16, 2013, 02:12:56 PM

Quote from: happypred on Dec 16, 2013, 03:03:35 AM

QuoteMike knows Ridley Scott and folks at his office. When Prometheus was first coming together as a film, our contact at Fox told us she wouldn't license it to anyone else, given the history with Aliens and Predator at Dark Horse. But then Ridley Scott didn't want a comic at that time. With the first movie behind them, and gearing up for a second, they loosened up on the idea, and Mike pitched them—Scott's office—on the idea of an interconnected set of books, Prometheus, Aliens, AVP, and Predator, that would follow in the wake of the first film, and put some more answers on the table.

Just don't have the storylines including those Super Black abominations, and no Preserve Planets.. And I'll be happy!

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 16, 2013, 08:23:46 PM
The 90:1 guy must be a hardass.

Quote from: predxeno on Dec 16, 2013, 08:32:07 PM
We may not have preserve planets but I'm pretty sure the BSPs will be making a cameo.

Quote from: xeno-kaname on Dec 16, 2013, 08:37:06 PM

Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 16, 2013, 08:23:46 PM
The 90:1 guy must be a hardass.

I was wondering about that too I kept double checking to make sure it wasn't an Engineer haha

Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 16, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
Good.  He has the second highest rate of survival next to the 90:1 guy.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 16, 2013, 09:53:51 PM

Quote from: xeno-kaname on Dec 16, 2013, 08:37:06 PM

Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 16, 2013, 08:23:46 PM
The 90:1 guy must be a hardass.

I was wondering about that too I kept double checking to make sure it wasn't an Engineer haha

He's probably an android or has a touch of the Ripley in him.

Quote from: happypred on Dec 16, 2013, 09:16:02 AM
Predators don't always die in their stories (Smiley in Civilised Beasts walks off with a bad ass trophy) but yeah, they usually do

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 17, 2013, 02:48:57 AM
So I'm checking out a lot of comic sites.. And they are clamoring about how Alien and Predator are now sharing a universe now.

....Either people forgot about the fact that Alien and Predator have shared a universe since 1989 or they are just really stupid. Seriously, why are people acting like Alien-Predator is news when it's been around for twenty five years?

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: predxeno on Dec 17, 2013, 03:16:43 AM
Forced ignorance after AVP2010, Prometheus, and A:CM? :-\

Quote from: SM on Dec 17, 2013, 03:18:49 AM
Shitty interwebz churnalism is shitty.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 17, 2013, 03:51:26 AM
Still, I hope the fact that Ridley Scott's office is involved means that we'll get some actual advancement of the Prometheus mythology, rather than the usual "We're too constrained by the studio/too afraid to do interesting stories because the next movie will throw them out of canon" stuff we've seen with licensed stuff before (the old, pre-Alien 3 comics being a great example of expanding the mythology). I'd love if they could weave the Predators into the Engineer mythology in a more interesting way. I get the distinct feeling that the old Predator looking for his last great hunt will be hunting an Engineer, so that sounds like a potentially cool way to combine the mythologies. And given the fact that the AvP story has been described as a revenge story, maybe we'll get some kind of back story where the Engineers used the Aliens against the Predators in some kind of conflict, though that's a bit too obvious. I really want to see what they do with the Engineers and the black goo.

Quote from: Topazora on Dec 17, 2013, 04:58:39 AM
Personally, I would prefer one shot deal with these comics. 

Quote from: Topazora on Dec 17, 2013, 04:58:39 AM
I also think I like where RR was going with Predators (the more I watched the movie, the more I changed my mind about it and really like it) and expanding species without giving too much away.  Essentially seeing different variations on predators, like more subspecies. 

Quote from: Topazora on Dec 17, 2013, 04:58:39 AM
But I don't like the idea that the xenos were made a huge part of their culture.  If anything, the creature that should be part of the predator's rite of passage aught to be a creature from their home world- not some critter they found in space.  The less we try to tie the three franchises together, the more freedom the writers will have.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 17, 2013, 05:29:23 AM

Quote from: Topazora on Dec 17, 2013, 04:58:39 AM

I disagree with this because I felt that the Black Super Predators had completely devalued what the original species were about. They made the original species seem obsolete and inferior and well, if you ask me while the intent and idea was there-- the movie really didn't even so much as convey that too well. But the idea was to make the original obsolete in a way. I also didn't like the concept of the Preserve Planet as it cheapened the idea of the challenge of the hunt, and it defeats the purpose of going to different worlds to find new and dangerous prey. The Preserve Planet kind of like... a comfort zone, or comfort blanket-- where as the real idea of the hunt is to go out into a new environment, and challenge yourself.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 17, 2013, 05:29:23 AM

Quote from: Topazora on Dec 17, 2013, 04:58:39 AM

I would have to disagree with that because I thought that the idea of the Predators making the Xenomorph a part of their culture was something neat. They recognized the Xenomorphs as one of the most dangerous prey in the universe, and therefore true hunters would test themselves by hunting these creatures. Also, I am pretty sure that there maybe more than one Rite of Passage ceremony for the Predators, I am fairly certain that in some of the Expanded Universe material, mentions are made of Predators hunting creatures on their own world to attain higher ranks or something along those lines.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: Topazora on Dec 17, 2013, 04:58:39 AM
Personally, I would prefer one shot deal with these comics.  I would like to see more dealing with xenomorphs or predators in conflict with other alien sapients- if nothing else to expand the galactic ecosystem.

Quote from: Topazora on Dec 17, 2013, 05:51:14 AM
I think it depends on how you look at it.  Was RR trying to diminish the power of the original predator- probably, but he also expanded the variety of the species, showing that there are others out there that do things differently.  Love or hate it, it does add to the predator mythos and that's what makes it interesting.

Quote from: Topazora on Dec 17, 2013, 05:51:14 AM
The idea of taking someone else's creation and embeding it to another person's creation as something imperative to that creation's mythos, takes away from the latter creation ability to exist on it's own.  Both species are strong enough creations to stand on their own, they shouldn't need each other.  The fact that the aliens have been stuck into the predator franchise as something incredibly important to their culture, forces the predator to have to piggy back on the aliens.  The predator's culture should be able to exist outside of the alien universe, and vice versa.

That doesn't mean the predator shouldn't respect the alien as one of the many great dangers of the universe, but it shouldn't be their main prey.  Their main prey should only exist in the predator universe.  That's what I'm saying and that's why I don't like the way the AvP universe has been executed.

Quote from: happypred on Dec 17, 2013, 09:13:14 AM
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Anyone wanna guess the predator's height?

It looks like he reaches the 7'3" mark but he's not standing very straight as his posture is somewhat tilted. However, he's probably wearing sandals. I'm guessing 7'4" barefoot...7'3" minus 1-2" (no sandals) plus 2-3" (standing ramrod straight)

QuoteA question in regards to the new comics. I have been having a debate with some fans and some are saying that the Black Super Predators may make an appearance. As someone who didn't enjoy PREDATORS, I'm hoping this isn't the case but I have to ask in order to have this debate settled. Are the Super Predators going to be featured? Also, some discussion also has brought up whether these stories are interconnected one shots or they are consisting of limited series. Which is the case?

I was gonna be coy and say "you'll have to read the book!" and blah blah blah, but no, no Super Predators. However there will be Baby Predators, Pony Predators, Predators Who Look Like Tom Baker, Tea Party Predators, Liberal Hollywood Predators, Mecha-Predators, Predator-Human Hybrids, Predator Ghosts and the first Predator President of the United States of America.

And for your second question, I was a little unclear. If you mean the AvP book, it's one story. If you mean the whole project, each book is its own story, but all the stories are interconnected to form a larger, complete story.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 17, 2013, 08:50:49 PM
I just got in touch with Christopher Sebela on his Tumblr. I inquired him about the Super Predators. He gave out a pretty funny answer, but none the less it's straight forward.

QuoteA question in regards to the new comics. I have been having a debate with some fans and some are saying that the Black Super Predators may make an appearance. As someone who didn't enjoy PREDATORS, I'm hoping this isn't the case but I have to ask in order to have this debate settled. Are the Super Predators going to be featured? Also, some discussion also has brought up whether these stories are interconnected one shots or they are consisting of limited series. Which is the case?

I was gonna be coy and say "you'll have to read the book!" and blah blah blah, but no, no Super Predators. However there will be Baby Predators, Pony Predators, Predators Who Look Like Tom Baker, Tea Party Predators, Liberal Hollywood Predators, Mecha-Predators, Predator-Human Hybrids, Predator Ghosts and the first Predator President of the United States of America.

And for your second question, I was a little unclear. If you mean the AvP book, it's one story. If you mean the whole project, each book is its own story, but all the stories are interconnected to form a larger, complete story.

So there you go.. No Super Predators.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 17, 2013, 08:50:49 PM
I just got in touch with Christopher Sebela on his Tumblr. I inquired him about the Super Predators. He gave out a pretty funny answer, but none the less it's straight forward.

QuoteA question in regards to the new comics. I have been having a debate with some fans and some are saying that the Black Super Predators may make an appearance. As someone who didn't enjoy PREDATORS, I'm hoping this isn't the case but I have to ask in order to have this debate settled. Are the Super Predators going to be featured? Also, some discussion also has brought up whether these stories are interconnected one shots or they are consisting of limited series. Which is the case?

I was gonna be coy and say "you'll have to read the book!" and blah blah blah, but no, no Super Predators. However there will be Baby Predators, Pony Predators, Predators Who Look Like Tom Baker, Tea Party Predators, Liberal Hollywood Predators, Mecha-Predators, Predator-Human Hybrids, Predator Ghosts and the first Predator President of the United States of America.

And for your second question, I was a little unclear. If you mean the AvP book, it's one story. If you mean the whole project, each book is its own story, but all the stories are interconnected to form a larger, complete story.

So there you go.. No Super Predators.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Dec 17, 2013, 09:49:14 PM
Internet high-five! I'll just have to wait for the BSP to be slaughtered in some other media... I have played through AvP Evolution and I like the story. In looking back at Predators, though, and reading your comments, you make a good point without actually saying it. These aren't true Predators... what Predator would capture their prey and put it into their own version of "The Most Dangerous Game" by Richard Connell? Half the challenge of the Hunt is trekking through the prey's home world/turf, be it unknown or frequented. The BSP's are truly abominable to classic Yautja methods and culture.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 17, 2013, 08:26:32 PM
Juan Ferreyra is the artist on the Prometheus comic, so I'd take his word for the number of issues (at least ballpark). Also, if you look on his Facebook page, he posted about three weeks ago that he was starting to do the illustrations for the series, and he uploaded some pics of his desk with various Prometheus items. You can see what appears to be the first page of the script in the pics, and you may be able to read some of it. I haven't looked on my desktop yet, though.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 17, 2013, 11:15:37 PM
I doubt they are gone for good.  They might be gone for this run, but variety is the spice of life and some writer out there somewhere will have liked that idea and bring them back into the fold.

Quote from: Mapusaurus on Dec 17, 2013, 10:39:04 PM

Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 17, 2013, 08:26:32 PM
Juan Ferreyra is the artist on the Prometheus comic, so I'd take his word for the number of issues (at least ballpark). Also, if you look on his Facebook page, he posted about three weeks ago that he was starting to do the illustrations for the series, and he uploaded some pics of his desk with various Prometheus items. You can see what appears to be the first page of the script in the pics, and you may be able to read some of it. I haven't looked on my desktop yet, though.

I saw these images on his Facebook, and in the third photo, there is an interesting comment from Juan Ferreyra in response to a friend (under the picture of an egg and a facehugger):

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151784125640143&set=pcb.10151784202960143&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151784125640143&set=pcb.10151784202960143&type=1&theater)

Friend: a ponerle mucho huevo !!!!! genio !

"put much egg!! genius!"

Juan Ferreyra: jaja! gracias! en esta no dibujo ni un solo alien, pero me toca diseniar muchas cosas, muchos bichos! el liquido negro toca de todo y deforma a todooos!  :)

"haha! thank you! in this I will not draw any Alien, but I have to design many things, many bugs! the Black Goo touches everything and deforms everything!"

Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 18, 2013, 02:43:44 AM
I'm disappointed that the BSP won't be in these comics. They might not be the most original expansion of the Predator mythos, but there's potential there. They could have had a whole storyline about how they stole the tech to control the Xenos from the Engineers!  :laugh: (But seriously, Three World War is enough of a reason to be glad this is a new continuity.)

My main beef with "Predators" stem mostly from how it devolves into a rehash of the first movie. The idea of preserve planets is fine with me, especially since the movie only shows BSP using them. They don't follow the same code of honor that the regular Predators do, so it kind of fits that they would think nothing of dumping prey into unfamiliar environs and picking them off. They're more poachers than honorable hunters.

Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Dec 17, 2013, 09:49:14 PMI'll just have to wait for the BSP to be slaughtered in some other media... I have played through AvP Evolution and I like the story.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 18, 2013, 02:58:38 AM
I agree, it's a big wasted opportunity; although that story has sort of been told in Three World War.

Quote from: Topazora on Dec 18, 2013, 02:51:58 AM

Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 18, 2013, 02:43:44 AM
My main beef with "Predators" stem mostly from how it devolves into a rehash of the first movie. The idea of preserve planets is fine with me, especially since the movie only shows BSP using them. They don't follow the same code of honor that the regular Predators do, so it kind of fits that they would think nothing of dumping prey into unfamiliar environs and picking them off. They're more poachers than honorable hunters.

Quite frankly, I can see the predator tribes going to war over that very reason.  The predators seem like a species entrenched in tradition and honor, that to deviate from that (like putting prey on a game reserve to make hunt easier) would be blasphemous- thus starting a war.  Personally, they should be in the comics, if nothing else to serve as antagonists for both the humans and original predators.

Quote from: predxeno on Dec 18, 2013, 03:26:22 AM
I should have guessed this would happen after the DH AVP writer revealed that he was too much of a coward to include references to the AVP movies, a decision that was based solely on what fans would think.  It'd be all right if the story just didn't have room for references to the AVP movies but by going out of the way to eliminating them altogether just because it's "what the fans want" is by far one of the most cowardly decisions one can make, and a rather stupid one too. 

QuoteWhen did Christopher Sebela mention that he was too much of a coward to include references of the AvP movies?

QuoteAlso, I kind of agree with you that it does feel like that they decided to ignore the AvP movies and the previous storylines in the EU out of fan request but I don't think that is the case. We do know that the writers have said that they consider the original four Alien movies, and the first two Predator movies, as well as PREDATORS as gospel... and while they did say that the AvP movies had some ideas, they were a self contained world which they didn't want to base this new continuity off of and they didn't want to use the old comics as inspiration. If they do touch up on anything that the old comics did, chances are it will be coincidental and nothing more.

QuoteYou do know that he and the other writing teams are also ignoring the old continuity of the expanded universe as well right and not even going out of their way to link them to the old comics, right? So really, it's not just the AvP movies they are ignoring but the whole twenty five years of lore which was already established. Shit, Sebela even admitted that the old comics and novels weren't even discussed or brought into consideration at the writer's table meeting. And while they aren't referencing or even connecting this story with the past twenty five years of material, they aren't rendering the old continuity moot or erasing it from canon.

QuoteAnd at the risk of being bludgeoned by the ban hammer, if you want to discuss the placement where these new comics fit in.. Well, go ahead and do so but get ready to incur the wrath of an admin. Besides, we already had that conversation and I'm not willing to have it again because no one really got anywhere.

Quote from: predxeno on Dec 18, 2013, 04:54:56 AM

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I'm just sticking with the solo movies, because I think they build up an interesting mythology of their own that fits in well with the world we're building. I think the AvP movies have a lot of interesting things going on, but they seem to exist in their own little bubble, one that's very far away from ours, and, personally, I want to keep myself as free of all past AvP encounters, to start from a clean slate and build my own take on this mythical face-off

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http://io9.com/exclusive-details-on-the-comic-relaunch-of-alien-preda-1443548904 (http://io9.com/exclusive-details-on-the-comic-relaunch-of-alien-preda-1443548904)

There is no way this bubble ever existed without fan input; before Prometheus came out, tons of people were bashing the AVP films saying that they were no longer canon.

Quote from: predxeno on Dec 18, 2013, 04:54:56 AM
Ignoring the EU is a completely different story, it's understandable that they wouldn't want to get caught up in the giant spiderweb of a continuity that is our franchise's mythology, but to ignore the movies themselves is much more blatant and noticeable.

Quote from: predxeno on Dec 18, 2013, 04:54:56 AM
I'm not dragging that old cat out of the bag again; I'm merely venting my frustration regarding the writer's choice preferences to listen to fan opinion rather than following their own stories and making up their own.

QuoteThat kind of thinking has happened before in our franchises-- which ultimately lead to the creation of the PREDATORS and Prometheus films, both films which have drawn just as much flack as the AvP films, even if they were better received.

Quote from: happypred on Dec 18, 2013, 03:18:02 AM

Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Dec 17, 2013, 09:49:14 PMI'll just have to wait for the BSP to be slaughtered in some other media... I have played through AvP Evolution and I like the story.

Don't you run around killing BSPs as a "classic" predator in Evolution?

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 18, 2013, 05:10:23 AM
This isn't the first time that the franchise has been rebooted in a sense. The Predator EU has been rebooted before when the Hish mythos was introduced when Forever Midnight was published. And that rebooted mythology quickly fizzled and wasn't really so much as heard from again as Fox went back to the Yautja mythos.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 18, 2013, 08:33:28 AM
I'm glad they're rebooting the EU. It's such a convoluted mess and it allows them to make theirs tidier - same as this new novel trilogy too.

QuoteTheLastRaigeki Asked: I have a question regarding the new Alien-Predator universe which Dark Horse is creating. Is this a whole separate and new universe from the already established twenty five years of lore which was started from the late 1980s to 2009 or does this completely override the old lore?

Sebela: The old Dark Horse comics series about Aliens, Predators and Aliens fighting Predators never came up in the writer's room as we're working off a different angle of the universe, one that may touch on some of the stuff those old books did, but only by accident. But we're not declaring all that stuff moot or rebooting it or anything, it's just two different neighborhoods in a pretty big city.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 18, 2013, 01:38:49 PM
For what it's worth, FOX has referred to the "Yautja" concept pretty consistently for the past few years.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 18, 2013, 01:55:56 PMAnd the word has found it's way into Blu-Ray features, specifically the Weyland-Yutani archives in AvP-R.

Quote from: happypred on Dec 18, 2013, 03:35:43 PM
Special feature on the DVD?

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 18, 2013, 03:39:41 PM

Quote from: happypred on Dec 18, 2013, 03:35:43 PM
Special feature on the DVD?

No, the AvP-R Blu-Ray. It's in the Weyland-Yutani archives.

A feature which the DVDs really don't have.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Dec 18, 2013, 04:41:24 PM
It was also used in the Predators BR specials as a title... no one actually said it. However, from the way it was used, and I don't remember exactly, but it sounded like RR was using it to describe the BSP's as well as the classic Predator into the same species... If anything, they should be the same genus, maybe, but they're clearly not the same creature.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 19, 2013, 05:46:02 AM
For what it's worth, the FOX-designed packaging for the 'Predators' figures that NECA did name-drops "xenomorphs" pretty liberally, and if I remember right it refers to the Super Predators as "Yautja".

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2013, 08:22:23 AM
I preferred to just think of them as different ethnicities. And to be fair, the new Predators in Predators are not really the BSPs as described in the original script which is why don't mind them so much.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 05, 2014, 06:34:56 AM
Is it supposed to be a Xenomorph or a Deacon?

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 06, 2014, 08:36:22 AM
As for Predator types, I've got no problem with what 'Predators' set up. It left their origins ambiguous on purpose and the story, such as it was, didn't need to explain it. Whether or not they were a different species, the same one with genetic modifications, victims of a biological weapon or failed experiments which backlashed, didn't really matter.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 06, 2014, 08:36:22 AMFor all we know, could even be a different gender of Predator than the one we usually see, too. A part of me would kind of dig that, just to spite the fan-boys obsessed with seeing Predators with breasts...

Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 07, 2014, 12:40:37 AM
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 07, 2014, 02:49:11 PM
Looks more like this to me:

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Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 07, 2014, 12:40:37 AM
Except the NEWEST Prometheus stuff, which I think has part of a creature's tail snaking along the left-hand side.  ;D

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 07, 2014, 01:29:00 AM
I thought you didn't like PREDATORS. Unless I'm confusing you and DoomRulz.

QuoteI honestly didn't like the Super Predators. I thought they were completely unnecessary and they devalued what the original Predator was supposed to be, a nigh unstoppable creature from space which was a Grendel archetype of enemy. To me the Super Predator downgraded what the original concept was just so they could be sold as more dangerous than the original.

QuoteAlso, what the Super Predators were.. depends on how you take things. Unless you count the July 2009 script which was the draft that the folks here got, then they were supposedly normal Predators who had altered themselves with the genetics of their prey to become what they are. But then that idea was tossed out and worked in favor of them for being a different species, and according to Rodriguez, they were sent on that planet as a form of punishment of sorts. Again, depends on what you take.

QuoteConsidering that the cast and crew, referred to Berserker as Mr. Black, not Mrs. Black or Ms. Black.. I'm pretty sure that these guys were one hundred percent male. And as for female Predators, we almost got one in the film-- Michael Broom even drew concept art for her and she only made it to concept art stage. And guess what, she had breast

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 07, 2014, 02:49:11 PM
Looks more like this to me:

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QuoteI've never felt breasted Predators make logical sense, considering how their mouthparts are clearly designed to shred flesh.

Quote from: SM on Jan 09, 2014, 12:13:11 AM
When we known for certain that Predators are born with big gnashy teeth that would do unspeakable things to a bosom - get back to me.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 09, 2014, 12:03:09 AM
When lions start having jaws which look like a cross between a crab and a Swiss army knife, get back to me. ;)

Quote from: Master on Jan 09, 2014, 10:15:52 AM
If thats how art in new series look like then I'm sold only for that reason.

Quote from: SM on Jan 09, 2014, 01:09:55 AM
They've got that big flappy thing that covers their mouth - maybe they use that.

QuoteI don't think the shape of their mouth is any nail in the breast coffin.

Quote from: SM on Jan 11, 2014, 12:00:04 AM
Because one panel is able to depict an entire fight.

Quote from: Many Angled One on Jan 11, 2014, 02:08:23 AM
So when's this coming out?

Quote from: Many Angled One on Jan 11, 2014, 02:08:23 AM
So when's this coming out?

Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 11, 2014, 02:34:01 AM
Prometheus #1 - June 11, 2014
Aliens #1 - June 25, 2014
Aliens vs Predator #1 - July 2, 2014
Predator #1 - July 16, 2014

Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 11, 2014, 03:26:38 AM
"It's the same with the "Prometheus" comics where Mike has been working with Ridley Scott to make sure that what we're doing connects with where Ridley's heading with the rest of the franchise." (Perhaps then we won't have all the new stuff getting retconned in a few years)

Quote from: Many Angled One on Jan 11, 2014, 05:05:35 AM
I just hope that these series' have a clean beginning and end.  The Dark Horse Aliens comics have a long history of not following up on hinted future storylines and developments, with things just left hanging.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 11, 2014, 05:08:27 AM

Quote from: Many Angled One on Jan 11, 2014, 05:05:35 AM
I just hope that these series' have a clean beginning and end.  The Dark Horse Aliens comics have a long history of not following up on hinted future storylines and developments, with things just left hanging.

Like Three World War.. Considering that these new comics are a whole and likely separate continuity, and probably the new Status Quo, it's likely that we will not see a sequel storyline to where Three World War left off from.

Seems as if the story of Machiko Noguchi has been told, and the book is closed.

-Rakai'Thwei

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I am not sure about Ridley Scott adhering to the EU.

Quote from: Many Angled One on Jan 11, 2014, 05:26:26 AM
That, as well as the endings to Labyrinth, Deadliest of the Species, Xenogenesis, Colonial Marines, Wraith, More Than Human, and Superman vs. Aliens 2.  Tons of great arcs that were never continued.

Quote from: SM on Jan 11, 2014, 05:40:21 AM
I'm not sure he even knows it exists.

I think it's along the lines of - DH pitched story ideas to Fox and Scott Free, they said do what you like except for x, y and z because that could be in the sequel, and that's the extent of it.

Quote from: SM on Jan 10, 2014, 04:44:50 AM
How do you know he hasn't got telescoping nips?

QuoteBecause one panel is able to depict an entire fight.

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Quote from: Many Angled One on Jan 11, 2014, 05:26:26 AM

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 11, 2014, 05:08:27 AM

Quote from: Many Angled One on Jan 11, 2014, 05:05:35 AM
I just hope that these series' have a clean beginning and end.  The Dark Horse Aliens comics have a long history of not following up on hinted future storylines and developments, with things just left hanging.

Like Three World War.. Considering that these new comics are a whole and likely separate continuity, and probably the new Status Quo, it's likely that we will not see a sequel storyline to where Three World War left off from.

Seems as if the story of Machiko Noguchi has been told, and the book is closed.

-Rakai'Thwei

That, as well as the endings to Labyrinth, Deadliest of the Species, Xenogenesis, Colonial Marines, Wraith, More Than Human, and Superman vs. Aliens 2.  Tons of great arcs that were never continued.

They're not comics, but I'm also guessing we'll never see a sequel to AvP2 or AvP2010.  And I'm not holding out any hope for finding out what happened to the marine and alien in the first AvP game.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 13, 2014, 12:09:49 PM
Just noticed that one has the AvPR head and the other seems smoother.

Quote
How "hard" is the reboot? Has all previous continuity been erased?

Scott Allie: It is hard. When more is revealed about the nature of this project, you'll see that this isn't really a reboot. It's a complex story with a lot of moving parts. It looks back at Prometheus, for sure, and it looks at the other movies that got these stories started, but it's not heavy with continuity. One challenge with these movies, with doing spinoffs, is that they don't leave you a lot of living characters running around for sequels, or for comics. So we've lined up a team that we think can introduce a lot of new characters into the world that'll make great comic book characters. Not superheroes, of course, but the kind of iconic characters that people follow in modern comics outside of the superhero genre. We think Ridley Scott and James Cameron and everyone else really set us up to be able to do that well.

QuoteDo you plan on revisiting any classic Alien or Predator comic storylines, like Marvel does with its Ultimate comics?

Scott Allie: Nope, that's definitely not the focus here. We're more careful to not repeat things we've done before, although with so many comics in the past, there's a chance there'll be some similarities. But that's not a goal.

QuoteWhich of the movies are you not treating as canon?

Scott Allie: I think we're treating them all as canon, but it's a big universe, and the human race has been around a long time. Some films are closer to our timeline than others, and we're guided more by the earlier films, and by Prometheus.

Quote from: SM on Jan 13, 2014, 10:46:57 PM
Sounds pretty straightfoward.  They're focusing on Alien, Aliens and Prometheus.  Resurrection won't factor into things because it's too far into the future.  AvP 1 and 2, similarly, are too far in the past.  Alien3 may or may not be an influence depending on the story they decide to tell.  Any references to Weyland and/ or Weyland Yutani will draw on Prometheus more than AvP.

Quote from: dragonthingy on Jan 13, 2014, 11:16:27 PM
Just for clarification, is the new "reboot" an actual full-on continuity reboot like the New 52?

Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 14, 2014, 01:35:14 AM
I am excite. ;D Looks like I was right about Dark Horse upping their A/v/P output beyond just the main reboots.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 13, 2014, 10:29:27 PM
Deacons and Xenomorphs vs Predator vs Mutant Cover by EM Gist! Sebela just posted this on his Tumblr!!

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Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 14, 2014, 03:58:14 AM
I wonder, from the way his skin is peeling off to reveal a white/blue endo-skeleton, if the guy in this pic is what happens when a synthetic gets a black goo facial ala Fifield. They did say that they're playing with the idea of creation, stewardship of life, etc.

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 14, 2014, 04:11:14 AM
Hm what's going to be the title of this series anyway? Because Alien vs Predator vs Prometheus wouldn't make sense would it? They're not fighting the ship.

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 14, 2014, 04:11:14 AM
Hm what's going to be the title of this series anyway? Because Alien vs Predator vs Prometheus wouldn't make sense would it? They're not fighting the ship.

Quote from: predxeno on Jan 14, 2014, 04:16:26 AM
It's not going to be a singular series, but FOUR series that share a continuous story arc.

QuoteThat's something I actually am curious about.. How would a mutated human cope with a Predator?

Quote from: SM on Jan 14, 2014, 04:23:59 AM
Fifield would've give it a fair run.

Before his head exploded.

Quote from: Many Angled One on Jan 14, 2014, 06:16:52 AM
I am a little disappointed that they're completely scrapping the old universe, since there were a ton of great stories to be had, and they were starting to really pull together a mythos with Destroying Angels, More Than Human, and Three World War.

Quote from: Many Angled One on Jan 14, 2014, 06:16:52 AM
Maybe they can reintroduce some of the old characters in a new way, like Jerry the xenomorph android from Stronghold and Dr. Church from Labyrinth.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 14, 2014, 04:08:58 AM
That's something I actually am curious about.. How would a mutated human cope with a Predator?

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 13, 2014, 10:42:03 PM
....AvP movies included? This is what doesn't corroborate here.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 14, 2014, 06:10:36 PM
There's nothing which really contradicts one another. Nothing is on screen which says Lance Weyland couldn't have existed before Guy Weyland.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 14, 2014, 06:10:36 PM
Deacons have tails now?

Quote from: predxeno on Jan 14, 2014, 06:32:39 PM
I didn't see any glaring contradictions; it actually looks like it deliberately tried to avoid them.

Quote from: predxeno on Jan 14, 2014, 06:48:09 PM
The timeline was very descriptive but when it went to 2004 territory it appeared to get vague (I interpreted it as deliberate) so as to avoid contradiction with the AVP films.

Quote from: predxeno on Jan 14, 2014, 06:54:57 PM
Ok but out of curiosity, what are these contradictions you see in the timeline that contradict the AVP films?  This is the first I've heard of them.

Quote from: Many Angled One on Jan 14, 2014, 07:29:17 PM
I don't mind deacons being genetically engineered bio-weapons, but I do hope that they allow the xenomorphs to be a natural species, or at least keep things vague.  I personally feel that making them all nothing but lab creations takes way from their uniqueness as a species, and indeed, a franchise.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 14, 2014, 07:59:44 PM

Quote from: Many Angled One on Jan 14, 2014, 07:29:17 PM
I don't mind deacons being genetically engineered bio-weapons, but I do hope that they allow the xenomorphs to be a natural species, or at least keep things vague.  I personally feel that making them all nothing but lab creations takes way from their uniqueness as a species, and indeed, a franchise.

Same thing with the Predators. I just hope that the new comics don't establish that the Engineers created not just humans and the Xenomorphs, but also the Predators.. I would like to think that the Predators are a naturally occurring species as well.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 14, 2014, 06:29:35 PM
Nothing on screen anyway.. But if you actually take the time to look at the Weyland Corp Timeline, then the contradictions are glaring. And I think Ridley intended that.

Quote from: predxeno on Jan 14, 2014, 06:32:39 PM
I didn't see any glaring contradictions; it actually looks like it deliberately tried to avoid them.

Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 16, 2014, 07:33:14 PM
Hoping for more of this soon!

Quote from: happypred on Jan 17, 2014, 12:09:58 AM
Anyway, I'm glad they're not re-visiting Machiko and are moving on to new ideas. Machiko already as Prey, Hunter's Planet, War, TWW

Quote from: Topazora on Jan 17, 2014, 02:10:30 AM
Her story has been told and it has been told well- personally.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 17, 2014, 02:14:19 AM
She was a really good character for introducing us to Predator culture, but you're right about her story being pretty much told. I thought her "I'm done with all this" moment from the end of TWW was pretty final, not least because I found it really distasteful how obvious it was as a proxy for Stradley saying "Screw it, I'm done with AvP."

Quote from: happypred on Jan 17, 2014, 07:02:36 AM
Imagine if they choose to continue the story of Caryn Delacroix :D

Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 17, 2014, 02:14:19 AM
She was a really good character for introducing us to Predator culture, but you're right about her story being pretty much told. I thought her "I'm done with all this" moment from the end of TWW was pretty final, not least because I found it really distasteful how obvious it was as a proxy for Stradley saying "Screw it, I'm done with AvP."

Quote from: SM on Jan 17, 2014, 02:32:32 AM
I still don't get hate about the art in TWW.

Quote from: happypred on Jan 17, 2014, 07:02:36 AM
Imagine if they choose to continue the story of Caryn Delacroix :D

Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 17, 2014, 07:20:56 PM

Quote from: happypred on Jan 17, 2014, 07:02:36 AM
Imagine if they choose to continue the story of Caryn Delacroix :D

Noooooo! 

Now give mommy a big kiss...
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Quote from: SM on Jan 17, 2014, 02:32:32 AM
I still don't get hate about the art in TWW.

It's no worse than Colonial Marines, or Music of the Spears, or Rogue, or Civilised Beats, or Thrill of the Hunt.  And all the forementioned are perfectly adequate, without being spectacular.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 19, 2014, 07:48:09 AM
Christ I hope not.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 19, 2014, 05:17:39 AM
If it's well-drawn I'd be down. I see the Xenos and Deacons as similar but ultimately divergent species created by the Engineers as weapons. Then again, the comics could go in the "Deacons evolve into Xenos" direction.

QuoteAccording to an interview with Ridley Scott on Screenrant, the ship which left LV-223 and crash landed on LV-426 crash landed some 200 years before the incident occurred on LV-223 before the biological breakout which wiped out nearly all of the engineers. Not to mention the mural depicts fully developed Xenomorphs, complete with the showing of Giger-esque facehuggers.

QuoteAny reason particularly why?

Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 17, 2014, 08:10:49 PM

Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 17, 2014, 07:20:56 PM

Quote from: happypred on Jan 17, 2014, 07:02:36 AM
Imagine if they choose to continue the story of Caryn Delacroix :D

Noooooo! 

Now give mommy a big kiss...
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Miss me yet?

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QuoteHow "hard" is the reboot? Has all previous continuity been erased?

Scott Allie: It is hard. When more is revealed about the nature of this project, you'll see that this isn't really a reboot. It's a complex story with a lot of moving parts. It looks back at Prometheus, for sure, and it looks at the other movies that got these stories started, but it's not heavy with continuity. One challenge with these movies, with doing spinoffs, is that they don't leave you a lot of living characters running around for sequels, or for comics. So we've lined up a team that we think can introduce a lot of new characters into the world that'll make great comic book characters. Not superheroes, of course, but the kind of iconic characters that people follow in modern comics outside of the superhero genre. We think Ridley Scott and James Cameron and everyone else really set us up to be able to do that well.

Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 20, 2014, 01:22:51 PMPart of Machiko's attractiveness for some readers was her lack of "superhero powers," she is just a really tough everyday girl.

Quote from: happypred on Jan 20, 2014, 01:35:50 PM

Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 20, 2014, 01:22:51 PMPart of Machiko's attractiveness for some readers was her lack of "superhero powers," she is just a really tough everyday girl.

Yes, just a tough every day girl who goes around gutting predators and slicing off xenomorphs' heads

Quote from: Powerloader on Dec 18, 2013, 05:44:28 AM
Prometheus/Predators deserved way more flak than the AVP movies. 

In fact, AVP is a minor classic right now.  It created a whole sub-genre of fangirls lusting after predators.  That is what I call achievement.  :laugh:

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 11, 2014, 12:02:30 AM

Quote from: SM on Jan 11, 2014, 12:00:04 AM
Because one panel is able to depict an entire fight.

Well no, it's just that if they make out the Engineers to be these end all be all type of character that can manhandle an Alien and Predator at once.. Would you really think that's going to be fair treatment of the characters? No. Now if they treat the characters fairly and actually show them taking licks and still keep on ticking despite and make the three way battle close, great!

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 25, 2014, 05:40:08 PM
Just saying, one Alien in the first AvP movie was able to take out 2 predators...Anderson handled Aliens just fine.

Quote from: Master on Jan 25, 2014, 05:17:27 PM
What Alien ahev to do with Prometheus? You`re talking about design or general movie theme? Cause if it`s about Deacon`s desing, I`m taking AvP Aliens any day. Movie theme is there, but plot is a mess. I think I prefere AvP here too.

QuoteYou'll take Alien Resurrection designs over the Deacon?

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 26, 2014, 07:35:40 AM
Am I the only one thinking this will be Deacons vs Predator rather than Aliens vs Predator?  :-\

Quote from: SSj_Rambo on Jan 26, 2014, 09:08:00 PM
Does anyone know a good way to secure a copy of the Predator #1 Variant? Is it likely to be something that is included when a comic shop orders 10 copies of the issue? Or are there other tricks these days to order them specifically?

And I have a feeling it won't just be the Predator series that gets an issue #1 variant.

Quote from: Master on Jan 26, 2014, 09:19:24 AM
The1PerfectOrganism@ AvP design wasn't thesame as A:R one. They were similar but changes were made (mainly legs). I really like those Aliens. Deacon? Not so much.

Quote from: Master on Jan 26, 2014, 09:19:24 AM
The1PerfectOrganism@ AvP design wasn't thesame as A:R one. They were similar but changes were made (mainly legs). I really like those Aliens. Deacon? Not so much.

Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Jan 26, 2014, 10:23:54 PM

Quote from: Master on Jan 26, 2014, 09:19:24 AM
The1PerfectOrganism@ AvP design wasn't thesame as A:R one. They were similar but changes were made (mainly legs). I really like those Aliens. Deacon? Not so much.

It takes some balls to say you like a shitty design, like a bad variant of Freddy Kruger or Jason. But kudos.

Quote from: Master on Jan 27, 2014, 08:43:15 AM

Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Jan 26, 2014, 10:23:54 PM

Quote from: Master on Jan 26, 2014, 09:19:24 AM
The1PerfectOrganism@ AvP design wasn't thesame as A:R one. They were similar but changes were made (mainly legs). I really like those Aliens. Deacon? Not so much.

It takes some balls to say you like a shitty design, like a bad variant of Freddy Kruger or Jason. But kudos.

You tend to state your opinion as fact and create pseudo objective narration to strictly subjective matter. Still it doesn't change the fact I like nearly ever one Alien design, and think they fit films they were used in. You can really do nothing about it. I would have understood you being purist and discrediting other designs then Giger's original, but putting Deacon as argument is where you really fail.

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 27, 2014, 05:03:52 PM
Just asking, why is the ALIENS alien "arguably" closer in spirit to Giger's original than the deacon?  Besides changes made to the hands and feet, a few removed ribs and dome, it is practically is the original suit.

And your point about Ridley wanting the Deacon to seem less like the Alien by making it opaque instead of translucent confuses me.

Quote from: Master on Jan 27, 2014, 07:03:54 PM
And when did I said Deacon is na Alien? Another one of your problems, you make big wall of text but most of it is gibberish not related to disscused subject.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 27, 2014, 09:25:51 PM
My early best guess of how all four series will play out:

Prometheus-Follows the rescue crew sent to look for Weyland and the Prometheus (confirmed in interviews). They find the pyramid and various creatures within evolving due to the exposed black goo. Monster madness ensues, with the adult Deacon taking the spotlight. The characters speculate on what the goo is and what it was meant to do, answering fan questions as Dark Horse has said they will. Most of the team dies, taken as hosts by the Deacon for a growing hive. One or more survivors get away.

Aliens-As word begins to get out about LV-223 and the mysterious, yet potentially profitable, alien technology there, a team of scientists or smugglers set out to get a vase of the goo (as the cover of Aliens #1 would indicate). They find LV-223 even more evolved, and this series will address the relationship between the Deacons and xenos. I suspect Galgo (Joshua Williamson's character) will be introduced here.

Predators-I suspect this will be the least inter-related. As Williamson has already said, we'll see an older Predator embarking on his final hunt. It'll turn out that the query is an Engineer, of whom I suspect we won't see to much in the series. Galgo will be the main character, as Williamson has said. The series will end with the Predator tracking the Engineer to -gasp- LV-223.

AvP-I expect this series to be balls-to-the-walls monster action, as the old Predator fights not only the Engineer, but the combined horrors of the Deacons, xenos, and other monstrosities that have spring up on the planet since the goo got loose. This series will answer the "Why did they never go back to LV-223 in later years?" question by having the whole Engineer installation get destroyed by a wrist nuke.

At least, that's how I see things playing out. ;D

Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 27, 2014, 09:25:51 PMAvP-I expect this series to be balls-to-the-walls monster action, as the old Predator fights not only the Engineer, but the combined horrors of the Deacons, xenos, and other monstrosities that have spring up on the planet since the goo got loose. This series will answer the "Why did they never go back to LV-223 in later years?" question by having the whole Engineer installation get destroyed by a wrist nuke.

Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Jan 27, 2014, 04:54:56 PM
And as for AVP, tubes teeth and a phallic shaped head does not a Xenomorph or Alien make.

Quote from: happypred on Feb 08, 2014, 10:48:50 AM
No recent news about these comics? Come on Dark Horse...you gotta build that hype, not let ppl's excitement cool off

Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 28, 2014, 03:24:55 AM

Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Jan 27, 2014, 04:54:56 PM
And as for AVP, tubes teeth and a phallic shaped head does not a Xenomorph or Alien make.

I definitely disagree with this. I love seeing reinterpretations of the Alien creature, and there have been lots in the video games, comics, and certainly the movies themselves.

Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 09, 2014, 03:20:26 PM

Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 28, 2014, 03:24:55 AM

Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Jan 27, 2014, 04:54:56 PM
And as for AVP, tubes teeth and a phallic shaped head does not a Xenomorph or Alien make.

I definitely disagree with this. I love seeing reinterpretations of the Alien creature, and there have been lots in the video games, comics, and certainly the movies themselves.

And they've all been f**king awful aside from Aliens Alien3 and most of the concept art being better than the final designs.