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Title: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Jenga on Jan 02, 2015, 02:42:40 AM
On Neill Blomkamp's Instagram he is posting a bunch of concept art from what clearly appears to be a cancelled Alien sequel with Sigourney Weaver ad Micheal Biehn. I am so upset. It looks awesome and I think he would be a great director for the franchise. So upset right now :(.

http://instagram.com/neillblomkamp/ (http://instagram.com/neillblomkamp/)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Wrecktangle on Jan 02, 2015, 02:52:42 AM
I'd take this over a Prometheus sequel any day.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 05:28:51 AM
Oh man the image of Ripley and scarred Hicks, makes me giddy and depressed at the same time.  F@ck Alien 3!
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: 85 on Jan 02, 2015, 05:33:36 AM
well this came out of nowhere.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Quarax on Jan 02, 2015, 05:42:25 AM
Quote from: 85 on Jan 02, 2015, 05:33:36 AM
well this came out of nowhere.

He did say a while ago that he wanted to make Alien 5: http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3248170/hey-fox-forget-prometheus-and-hire-neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-5/ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3248170/hey-fox-forget-prometheus-and-hire-neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-5/)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 02, 2015, 06:00:56 AM
Not sure how I feel about the Ripley face mask thing, but I guess it could be something that WY would up to if they finally got their hands on the Alien. And it does feel very Giger, more than anything in Prometheus did. There is some really interesting stuff in there. I especially love the pic of the Derelict inside the facility.

So I wonder if this would have been an alternate Alien 3, or if Ripley and Hicks were just stand ins to base the new concepts off of? I'm leaning towards the latter, but you never know.

It looks like everything is set inside of some interior artificial biological habitat. Almost gives me a bit of a Halo vibe in that regard.

I know this is unlikely to ever happen, but I would love if some more images and details were released. I am beyond curious.


(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi57.tinypic.com%2Fsg4hh0.jpg&hash=435ec17daeeaa37d7a952da40c4fa104d6c4cba9)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: 85 on Jan 02, 2015, 06:14:37 AM
Quote from: Quarax on Jan 02, 2015, 05:42:25 AM
Quote from: 85 on Jan 02, 2015, 05:33:36 AM
well this came out of nowhere.

He did say a while ago that he wanted to make Alien 5: http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3248170/hey-fox-forget-prometheus-and-hire-neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-5/ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3248170/hey-fox-forget-prometheus-and-hire-neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-5/)

Huh? Must have missed that one.


(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FH7FRpWl.jpg&hash=bf55591458774b4abaaca5fda9e72aa0d7afd4d1)


This would have been cool as hell to see, If only for nostalgia reasons.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 02, 2015, 06:16:59 AM
Alien film or not, I want to see that facility in a movie.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 02, 2015, 06:30:43 AM
I really dig the concept art of the "excavated" Derelict for some reason.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 02, 2015, 06:32:38 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 02, 2015, 06:30:43 AM
I really dig the concept art of the "excavated" Derelict for some reason.

That one and the one showing the interior habitat are my favorites. I would absolutely love to see them utilized in a non-Alien film at some point.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Gigers Alien on Jan 02, 2015, 06:42:34 AM
I know that this is a huge longshot, but after seeing Neill's concept art of his idea of an Alien film, and that one of them had friggin' Hicks, I was excited to see that someone professional wanted to make a movie that ignored all the sequels. So if any of you guys are interested please sign this, because this is a movie I definitely want to see some day. https://www.change.org/p/neill-blomkamp-make-the-alien-film-that-neill-blomkamp-created-concept-art-for (https://www.change.org/p/neill-blomkamp-make-the-alien-film-that-neill-blomkamp-created-concept-art-for)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 02, 2015, 06:44:47 AM
Looks more like something Blomkamp was going to pitch to Fox rather than something that Fox was actively seeking to make, according to the tweet I posted in that thread.

Anyways, I won't be signing any petition, but I would love to see some of these ideas on screen, even if it's not in an Allen movie. Distinct 9 rose from the ashes of Halo, after all. And I love seeing what kind of original stuff Blomkamp can come up with.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 02, 2015, 06:47:01 AM
Neil Blomkamp doing an Alien movie would've been interesting to see. Infact, I would go as far as to say that whatever he had in mind probably was what the franchise needed instead of Prometheus. But seeing Ripley and Hicks alive together looks like it would've gone the route of "Ripley's Nightmare" or something similar in regards to Alien 3 and Resurrection. I would've liked to see this.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 02, 2015, 07:47:05 AM
Despite my fascination at this news, this is also all very hard to believe.

EDIT:
I was really thinking this was a hoax.  I mean, it's kind of unprofessional to upload photos regarding a secret project just because someone "thinks it's over," so I didn't think it was Blomkamp...but it is on his official instagram? Could this be for an unreleased Alien game?

Also, like Aliens: Colonial Marines, they forgot that the derelict should be heavily damaged since the Nostromo's crew visited it.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: SiL on Jan 02, 2015, 09:36:14 AM
He said the studio didn't know he was working on it. Professionals can have fan projects too, peeps.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: SiL on Jan 02, 2015, 09:43:09 AM
Nooo, thank you. Too fanboyish. And considering Elysium, I don't credit Blomlamp enough to have made it anything other than fanwank.

Love D9, but still.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 02, 2015, 09:54:50 AM
Considering that Fox is too financially and creatively invested in Prometheus.. As much as I like the idea of Blomkamp's Alien 5 ideas, I don't really see this petition getting any steam to get moving and I doubt that Fox would take notice.  :-\

Sorry to sound pessimistic but I'm just being real here.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: whiterabbit on Jan 02, 2015, 10:33:34 AM
Oh god I must be getting old. I have no blooming idea who this guys is.  :-\
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 02, 2015, 10:47:35 AM
I'm torn - SiL says in the petition thread (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=52061.0;topicseen (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=52061.0;topicseen)) that Elysium doesn't encourage him... and while we've had the odd tussle on here, I have to say that I agree with on this one.

I really wanted to Elysium to be great, but it was just OK in the end. I bought it watched it and had no desire to see it again (I know he's a Saffa and I love that he had Saffas in the film (being Saffas) but I really thought Copley overdid it with his colloquialisms - it was mishandled and both he and Neil have to shoulder some of the blame for that in my view. This is a really minor point, but for me it was a constant thorn when I watched the film. And I'm not even South African.).

On the other hand, is it fair to judge Blomkamp on this one misstep? I recall that Neil Marshall got similar stick when he was given a big budget and made "Doomsday" that film got loads of hate (and if you are a "Doomsday" hater I WILL fight you *lol*) but that doesn't make Marshall a bad storyteller or director.

I just don't know is my honest feeling on this. I've been reading the tweets - it has a similar ring to when one Paul WS Anderson was given AvP. A fan of the franchises getting the franchise of our dreams! What could go wrong, we asked!?! This isn't the thread to attack or defend the AvPs, I'm just citing that as an example of the dream director with the dream job - it doesn't always pan out as we may hope. Nor did Ridders Return to the franchise in Prometheus, come to that.

Rakai said in the petition thread that Fox is too heavily invested in "Prometheus" to even consider this and, sadly, I'd be inclined to agree with him. The only "out" I can think of is that Ridders has stated many times that "Prometheus" shares the same DNA as "Alien" but isn't "Alien."  So, to kick up Rakai's old ant-hill, could it be considered as AU or sidequel? In the same way that "Soldier" was to "Blade Runner."

I my guess is that Blomkamp is being encouraged by the fan reaction? As SiL says above, professionals are allowed to have fan projects too, but it looks (and this really is my feeling/guess and has no basis in proveable fact) like he "just posted some of that alien shit" he had done and the twitter-sphere went ballistic and he's thinking... "woah! maybe this has some legs!"

He posted: "Fox never said no..." to one follower. Meaning he's asked and they're considering. Or he's never asked?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 02, 2015, 10:57:47 AM
On the one hand, a Blomkamp Alien film could be f*cking amazing.

On the other, Hicks is dead, stop trying to shoe-horn him back into the franchise because of the crying fanboys. Look how well that went in ACM.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 02, 2015, 11:03:04 AM
HuDa. You just gotta let A:CM go, man.  :laugh:

Moviegoers and fans alike aren't above "a great deletion." Remember Superman Returns: they came out said directly that it was following on from Superman II and that the Reeves III and IV were missteps and were not part of the continuity and everyone bought it (though I love the film, its almost as though Singer was a little afraid to deliver on that and just making it an out and out sequel).

Also, its often said that the "get around" is some sort of weird Hyperspace induced hallucination (I just learned that I can't spell hallucination while typing this message).
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 02, 2015, 11:09:40 AM
Should we merge this thread with the other one?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: SiL on Jan 02, 2015, 11:26:27 AM
When a man has two movies, and one works by being unique and the other fails by being on the nose and, well, a bit meh, then yeah -- it's fair to judge the guy on his misstep. If he had, say, a dozen films and one bad one, that's another thing entirely. But he went from clever social commentary sci-fi to incredibly cheesy, heavy-handed social commentary sci-fi that really didn't make a great deal of sense, and that leaves one with the feeling that if he did a fanboy Alien sequel -- as his concept art shows -- it would probably play out like 90% of the fanfiction you read online -- forced, trite, and pandering to what amounts to a fairly small group of fans, and practically no general audience members.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: whiterabbit on Jan 02, 2015, 11:33:55 AM
I googled this guy and I must say that I liked District 9 and Elysium but I'm not desperate enough to have him attempt an "alien" movie.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 02, 2015, 11:37:37 AM
I don't know about that - what did the producer say "you could have someone pissing up a wall and put "Alien" in the title and it'll make 30 million dollars" (adjust for inflation). It'd have an audience allright - and it would be huge news, I'm sure an announcement of this project would make mainstream news.

As for Neill - I think it might be a little harsh to write him off based on Elysium - we'll have to see what "Chappie" brings, I guess (I have to be honest, I'm not really that stoked to see a remake / reimagining of Short Circuit to be honest).

But you're right to be leery - as I say above, Anderson/fan/AvP - regardless of what you think of the film, even he'd agree that it wasn't what he wanted it be.

Is there any good fan-fiction out there? I have to admit, I don't really look at that sort of thing (I read your script which I thought was really, really good, does that count as fan-fiction? If so, then there is!).


Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: whiterabbit on Jan 02, 2015, 11:38:19 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 02, 2015, 11:26:27 AMand that leaves one with the feeling that if he did a fanboy Alien sequel -- as his concept art shows -- it would probably play out like 90% of the fanfiction you read online -- forced, trite, and pandering to what amounts to a fairly small group of fans, and practically no general audience members.
Isn't that exactly what mostly everyone here secretly desires?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 02, 2015, 11:43:32 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 02, 2015, 11:38:19 AM
Isn't that exactly what mostly everyone here secretly desires?

hahaha. I don't think there's anything secret about it... but the issue is that even this board which has a really dedicated fanbase can't agree on anything.

Except Aliens vs Predators vs Colonial Marines. That seems to get everyone's vote. (waits for many many people to announce it doesn't get their vote)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Liberator on Jan 02, 2015, 12:05:08 PM
People have stopped treating the alien like he is really scary and astonishing, so I don't think there will ever be an Alien 5 unless it will just be a reboot. I would have liked to see Hicks return, though.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: SiL on Jan 02, 2015, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 02, 2015, 11:37:37 AM
I don't know about that - what did the producer say "you could have someone pissing up a wall and put "Alien" in the title and it'll make 30 million dollars" (adjust for inflation). It'd have an audience allright - and it would be huge news, I'm sure an announcement of this project would make mainstream news.
Fincher said that.

Based on his movie, Fincher was wrong. While it made plenty on the international market, its poor domestic result is why there were budget limitations on Resurrection, and these days studios seem fairly unforgiving on movies that cost a lot but don't make bank.

QuoteIs there any good fan-fiction out there? I have to admit, I don't really look at that sort of thing (I read your script which I thought was really, really good, does that count as fan-fiction? If so, then there is!).
My script absolutely counts as fan fiction, but isn't a terribly good script on the whole. It was written in 8 days, and it shows. It's a first draft. Creature stuff, great. People stuff, Jesus Christ, what was I thinking.

Fan fiction can lead to good things (a was pointed out, D9 got off the ground because Blomkamp was going to do Halo, couldn't, and was given enough funds to make a movie), but generally, and as indicated by what Blomkamp's posted, it leads to nerdy, dumb things like "Naw, Hicks is totally still alive, guys!"
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 02, 2015, 12:20:24 PM
That artwork is very interesting and got me curious about his ideas.

If it wasn't Ripley and Hicks it would make a sweet spin-off.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 02, 2015, 12:24:15 PM
Quote from: Liberator on Jan 02, 2015, 12:05:08 PM
People have stopped treating the alien like he is really scary and astonishing
Counterpoint: "Alien Isolation"
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 02, 2015, 12:56:47 PM
Blacklabel and I called it!  :laugh:

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=1943854;topic=50800.30 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=1943854;topic=50800.30)

Quote from: Blacklabel on Jun 23, 2014, 12:16:11 PM
...Neill Blomkamp would basically do Aliens 2.0
He worked with Weaver recently... i wonder if her talks about "the story not being finished" and "there are good young directors out there" are related to them working together. Neill is a geek and would probably try to pitch something to Weaver at least.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 23, 2014, 12:46:52 PM

Maybe... it looks like they got along quite well. Neill also posted some images of his Aliens figure collection on his instagram page recently - maybe he's hinting at something - maybe it's just random.

http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y347/TheEighthPassenger/tumblr_mzqpjzwlcK1s8ln08o1_500_zps2318e973.jpg
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 02, 2015, 01:41:17 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 02, 2015, 06:44:47 AM
Looks more like something Blomkamp was going to pitch to Fox rather than something that Fox was actively seeking to make, according to the tweet I posted in that thread.

Yeah, pretty much. For his Elysium pitch he basically created an entire graphic novel which he pitched to Sony. It was impressive enough to convince the studio execs to green-light the film.

Probably the same was happening here except that he got bored with the idea or saw that it was going nowhere. Needless to say, now that the cat is out of the bag so to speak it probably means it's not going to happen. Petitions aren't going to make one iota of difference.

Also interesting that he would still consider dealing with Fox since there is a lot of bad blood left from the Halo film fiasco. Although his main beef was with Tom Rothman who is no-longer the Fox CEO and co-chair.

Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: First Blood on Jan 02, 2015, 02:34:00 PM
Not a fan of the Xenomorph "suit"
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 02:54:52 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 02, 2015, 10:47:35 AM

On the other hand, is it fair to judge Blomkamp on this one misstep? I recall that Neil Marshall got similar stick when he was given a big budget and made "Doomsday" that film got loads of hate (and if you are a "Doomsday" hater I WILL fight you *lol*) but that doesn't make Marshall a bad storyteller or director.

I like Marshall but found Doomsday to be a big rip off of movies we all love.  Centurian was awesome.  Didn't love AvP when it first came out but it's grown on me.  Anderson has a few enjoyable flicks on his resume.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 02, 2015, 03:01:11 PM
Quote from: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 02:54:52 PM
I like Marshall but found Doomsday to be a big rip off of movies we all love.

Homage! There's even a Baseball Fury in the crowd during the Barbecue scene. He was talking on one of those internet interview things (I wish I could remember, its quite a famous one on the level of Superpower Beatdown... you'll have heard of it if I could remember. Damn!) where he mentions at the end that it is a remake of Escape from New York. Look, I know it's obvious that it is, but the director has confirmed it.

Also, the commentary (which gets a bit annoying because it's all his mates getting drunk with him in a studio) he touches on all this stuff and says that its completely deliberate, he loves EFNY, Mad Max and all those films and if he was making that sort of 80s dystopian sci-fi, why not put them in there.

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Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 02, 2015, 04:05:34 PM
Finally got to give the pics a look on a regular sized screen. I still don't think I care for the Alien head thing, and for whatever reason the Queen looks a bit out of place, but I absolutely love the architecture, the technology, and the image with the Derelict.

With Ripley and Hicks in the pics it's seemingly trying to be an alternate Alien 3, but I'm getting stronger Resurrection vibes with the contained aliens, experiments, etc.

I'm not all that bothered that this film isn't happening, but I continue to be extremely intrigued by what I'm seeing. I want to read more details, see more images. I'm just curious about what it would have been.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 04:39:35 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 02, 2015, 11:03:04 AM
HuDa. You just gotta let A:CM go, man.  :laugh:

Moviegoers and fans alike aren't above "a great deletion." Remember Superman Returns: they came out said directly that it was following on from Superman II and that the Reeves III and IV were missteps and were not part of the continuity and everyone bought it (though I love the film, its almost as though Singer was a little afraid to deliver on that and just making it an out and out sequel).

Also, its often said that the "get around" is some sort of weird Hyperspace induced hallucination (I just learned that I can't spell hallucination while typing this message).

Exactly, anyone who enjoyed X-Men Days of Future Past can attest to that as it essentially rebooted the series while taking it in a new direction.   Nobody complained much when Prof X came back w no explanation of his death/return.  It's been long enough that you could make it a sequel to Aliens and jettison 3 and Resurrection.  The general audience won't notice.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 02, 2015, 04:43:36 PM
Quote from: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 04:39:35 PMExactly, anyone who enjoyed X-Men Days of Future Past can attest to that as it essentially rebooted the series while taking it in a new direction.

Except time travel fits in with a silly comic book film. A serious Alien universe, it does not.

Quote from: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 04:39:35 PMNobody complained much when Prof X came back w no explanation of his death/return.

Speak for yourself, crap like that annoys the hell out of me. It's like they're saying, "Screw it, the audience are idiots, we don't need to explain it, they'll just accept it."
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 04:43:52 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 02, 2015, 03:01:11 PM
Quote from: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 02:54:52 PM
I like Marshall but found Doomsday to be a big rip off of movies we all love.

Homage! There's even a Baseball Fury in the crowd during the Barbecue scene. He was talking on one of those internet interview things (I wish I could remember, its quite a famous one on the level of Superpower Beatdown... you'll have heard of it if I could remember. Damn!) where he mentions at the end that it is a remake of Escape from New York. Look, I know it's obvious that it is, but the director has confirmed it.

Also, the commentary (which gets a bit annoying because it's all his mates getting drunk with him in a studio) he touches on all this stuff and says that its completely deliberate, he loves EFNY, Mad Max and all those films and if he was making that sort of 80s dystopian sci-fi, why not put them in there.

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I guess I like my homages a little less direct ha ha, I mean a reference, a visual cue, cool.  But Doomsday just seemed like a hodgepodge of it all while not putting a new spin on it?  It was more frustrating in AvP 2 where the entire story was just lifted from other Alien and Predator movies but executed poorly and with annoying characters.


Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 02, 2015, 04:43:36 PM
Quote from: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 04:39:35 PMExactly, anyone who enjoyed X-Men Days of Future Past can attest to that as it essentially rebooted the series while taking it in a new direction.

Except time travel fits in with a silly comic book film. A serious Alien universe, it does not.

Quote from: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 04:39:35 PMNobody complained much when Prof X came back w no explanation of his death/return.

Speak for yourself, crap like that annoys the hell out of me. It's like they're saying, "Screw it, the audience are idiots, we don't need to explain it, they'll just accept it."

That's what I' saying, the casual filmgoer didn't cause a ruckus and it was a huge critical and commercial success.  As a comic and film fan the X series had been a mess since the first film but they sustained and grew so I just relaxed and enjoyed the ride. I mean I could shoot holes in Guardians of the Galaxy all day but people had fun and overlooked all whereas they nitpicked Interstellar because it had a more serious approach and was insanely judged as a documentary.

With 7 movies, countless comics, video games etc in the Alien franchise over 40 years, the filmmakers will not be constrained by any kind of continuity, they'll just try to make the best and most commercial product they can.  That's just the business.  So I say Hicks Lives!
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: T Dog on Jan 02, 2015, 05:02:21 PM
I would love for him to make an Alien 5. He knows how to build science fiction worlds that feel real and contain interesting characters.

If this is true and really is concept art he commissioned then I wonder is this being put out there as a sort of social media experiment/pitch to see what sort of reaction comes from the fan base or/and as a means to pitch the idea officially to the studio.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 02, 2015, 05:06:37 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Jan 02, 2015, 05:02:21 PM
If this is true and really is concept art he commissioned then I wonder is this being put out there as a sort of social media experiment/pitch to see what sort of reaction comes from the fan base or/and as a means to pitch the idea officially to the studio.

I doubt it. He only posted this stuff because he isn't planning on making the film. And he doesn't really strike me as a guy to play games with the audience like that to get a "reaction."
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 02, 2015, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Jan 02, 2015, 05:02:21 PM
I would love for him to make an Alien 5. He knows how to build science fiction worlds that feel real and contain interesting characters.

If this is true and really is concept art he commissioned then I wonder is this being put out there as a sort of social media experiment/pitch to see what sort of reaction comes from the fan base or/and as a means to pitch the idea officially to the studio.


It's for real no doubt about it. For Elysium he commissioned tons of concept (or rather pitch) art which he then presented to the studio execs in order to get funding for his film. The artwork wasn't made public until after the film's release though.

The same might be the case here especially considering a recent tweet from him that said, "They [FOX] didn't really even know I was working on it ha".
That statement however could also imply that FOX was in fact aware that Neill was cooking up something, they just didn't know the details.

The fact that he has now made these images public would likely suggest that this project has been canned either by Neill himself (for whatever reason/s) or that he did in fact make the pitch to FOX but that they weren't biting.


Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
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Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: T Dog on Jan 02, 2015, 06:01:40 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 02, 2015, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Jan 02, 2015, 05:02:21 PM
I would love for him to make an Alien 5. He knows how to build science fiction worlds that feel real and contain interesting characters.

If this is true and really is concept art he commissioned then I wonder is this being put out there as a sort of social media experiment/pitch to see what sort of reaction comes from the fan base or/and as a means to pitch the idea officially to the studio.


It's for real no doubt about it. For Elysium he commissioned tons of concept (or rather pitch) art which he then presented to the studio execs in order to get funding for his film. The artwork wasn't made public until after the film's release though.


The same might be the case here especially considering a recent tweet from him that said, "They [FOX] didn't really even know I was working on it ha".
That statement however could also imply that FOX was in fact aware that Neill was cooking up something, they just didn't know the details.

The fact that he has now made these images public would likely suggest that this project has been canned either by Neill himself (for whatever reason/s) or that he did in fact make the pitch to FOX but that they weren't biting.

Blomkamp even told one Instagram commenter, "Fox never said no."
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 02, 2015, 06:09:55 PM
Very interesting... so could it possibly mean that it was pitched to FOX but they we're just sitting on the fence or perhaps demanding unreasonable changes to the treatment/script so he decided to ditch it?

Quote from: ace3g on Jan 02, 2015, 05:47:45 PM
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Looks like Giger's original egg concept with the "vagina" opening.

Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: T Dog on Jan 02, 2015, 06:18:10 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 02, 2015, 06:09:55 PM
Very interesting... so could it possibly mean that it was pitched to FOX but they we're just sitting on the fence or perhaps demanding unreasonable changes to the treatment/script so he decided to ditch it?

Quote from: ace3g on Jan 02, 2015, 05:47:45 PM
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Looks like Giger's original egg concept with the "vagina" opening.

Blomkamp's caption for the above picture -

"maybe I'll go back to it ....love the world"  :)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Gigers Alien on Jan 02, 2015, 06:31:17 PM
Yeah-- I thought from the beginning that this petition was probably not going to catch anybody's attention. But honestly, I don't really care. I wanna get this guy's idea of ignoring the sequels to Aliens out there. I know it's kind of unoriginal, but so many people out there hate the sequels, so there might as well be a kind of sequel-reboot. You know what I mean?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: T Dog on Jan 02, 2015, 06:33:51 PM
Couldn't they just use the Ripley Clone and say that Hicks was cryogenically frozen?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: judge death on Jan 02, 2015, 06:43:35 PM
Why not, after all he has done better movies and fitting for alien than the Jean pierre director and the end results cant be that bad again XD
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: ikarop on Jan 02, 2015, 07:06:16 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Jan 02, 2015, 05:47:45 PM
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That's ancient Prometheus fan-art from even before the film was released. It seems to me like the guy is just a very excited fan throwing together a bunch of ideas. Doesn't sound like he tried to pitch any of this.

http://pleaselookatmeneillblomkamp.blogspot.com.es/2012_04_01_archive.html (http://pleaselookatmeneillblomkamp.blogspot.com.es/2012_04_01_archive.html)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 02, 2015, 07:10:08 PM
The last 2 seem to be. That last Hicks piece says so in the comment, I believe.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Jan 02, 2015, 07:11:22 PM
I wish we could start a petition and get Fox to give this a Greenlight. This HAS to happen.  :)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 02, 2015, 07:19:22 PM
These designs predate the development of Prometheus? I ask because the idea of biomechanical suits seems to be present in the ideas of Neil Blomkamp.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: ikarop on Jan 02, 2015, 07:22:48 PM
No, the image of the proto facehugger is Prometheus fan art. It has nothing to do with Neil Blomkamp (other than the guy who made it being seemly obsessed with him?) but he reposted it today without giving much explanation.

In the other images Neil Blomkamp posted you can see that at least the biomechanical suit one dates from March, 2014.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Jan 02, 2015, 07:25:36 PM
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Favorite Concept Art. Very reminiscent of Resurrection



Dammmnn. Why doesn't anyone from 20th Century Fox want to do a Alien 5. This doesn't make any sense. I'd choose this over Prometheus any day. This looks way more badass. It would be nice to see Sigourney Weaver again and to bring old Michael Biehn back would be something. Why doesn't 20th Century Fox green light this stuff? Sigourney Weaver stated in a interview that she's been talking to some directors about taking the story further. This shit is giving me goosebumps.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 02, 2015, 07:35:18 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 02, 2015, 10:47:35 AM
Rakai said in the petition thread that Fox is too heavily invested in "Prometheus" to even consider this and, sadly, I'd be inclined to agree with him. The only "out" I can think of is that Ridders has stated many times that "Prometheus" shares the same DNA as "Alien" but isn't "Alien."  So, to kick up Rakai's old ant-hill, could it be considered as AU or sidequel? In the same way that "Soldier" was to "Blade Runner."

Russ, I have to say that I am genuinely flattered that you like my whole AU approach to things. I really think that there are some AU's going on within the franchises similarly to how the Godzilla, Halloween and Highlander franchises have that going on, even if such aren't mentioned in-universe. Really, it does my heart good to see another fan accepting of that.

In regards to Prometheus, and Blomkamp's would be Alien project and making comparisons to Soldier and Blade Runner.. It's really hard to say to what is going on anymore with the franchise as far as continuity and canon is concerned. So far it seems that Prometheus is the Status Quo right now. Fox is too invested in it financially and creatively to just let it go and return to Alien. Infact, I'm even going to say that they've put the Alien to pasture and are leaving it only active as far as EU material is concerned. But as far as prequels and sidequels go, well... Fans can choose what they like at the moment (I say at the moment because so far Fox has to release a statement on what is canon and isn't) to what serves as a prequel (AvP or Prometheus) or what is a spin-off and a sequel. It's open to interpretation.. for now.

In the case of Soldier and Blade Runner.. I know that Anderson had set it to be in the same universe as Blade Runner according to interviews, but I would say that's something.. unofficially linked together. Looking at the Wikipedia page, it's probably best to look at Soldier as a spiritual sequel and something unofficially linked, despite having heavy references of Blade Runner in the movie.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 02, 2015, 10:57:47 AM
On the other, Hicks is dead, stop trying to shoe-horn him back into the franchise because of the crying fanboys. Look how well that went in ACM.

Retcons, retcons and more retcons.. I sort of feel your pain there, Burne (can I call you Burne?). I think the Alien franchise is suffering from a narrative and story telling stand-point because of the major retcons which are going on that Fox is rather.. taking a pro-active approach towards. I maybe more of a Predator fan but for something like Aliens: Colonial Marines to be held high as film canon despite the sloppy retcons which it introduced is very jarring. I'll be the first to say that Hicks is a very cool character, and that maybe he shouldn't have died in Alien 3 but Alien 3 came and went.. for those of us who liked it-- we have a cool movie to add to our films. For those of us who hated Alien 3... Do what you need to do to cope with it but the fact of the matter is, it's here and it exist and it ain't going anywhere.. For now anyway.

What's more jarring than Alien: Colonial Marines is the fact that Fox had considered and almost went through with retconning Alien 3 and Resurrection. The fact that Christopher Golden had to talk to them into changing their minds suggest that they were ready to effectively re-write the Alien side of things as far as the Alien-Predator franchise is concerned. The question is.. How were they going to do it?

As I said before, the franchise is SUFFERING because of the retcons. A retcon in film format would perhaps not be the best idea because erasing Alien 3 and Resurrection out of canon would... really be hard. Those two films can't just be hand waved away, they can't be just ignored (sure they could but.. ignoring something DOESN'T make it go away). The whole "Ripley's Nightmare",  while a desperate fan solution to erasing those movie is seemingly wanted even after TWENTY THREE YEARS, is definitely a cop-out and perhaps a bad move and direction for a franchise to go.

No more retcons. I'm getting done with them.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 02, 2015, 07:39:00 PM
Quote from: ikarop on Jan 02, 2015, 07:22:48 PM
No, the image of the proto facehugger is Prometheus fan art. It has nothing to do with Neil Blomkamp (other than the guy who made it being seemly obsessed with him?) but he reposted it today without giving much explanation.

In the other images Neil Blomkamp posted you can see that at least the biomechanical suit one dates from March, 2014.

Apparently my eyesight is failing me :p you're right about the date

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But while all this looks very prometheus, you know, the idea of biomechanical suits. Of course it is only art concept, but it gives an idea of where they were going.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Son Of Kane on Jan 02, 2015, 07:44:12 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 02, 2015, 04:43:36 PM
Quote from: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 04:39:35 PMExactly, anyone who enjoyed X-Men Days of Future Past can attest to that as it essentially rebooted the series while taking it in a new direction.

Except time travel fits in with a silly comic book film. A serious Alien universe, it does not.

Quote from: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 04:39:35 PMNobody complained much when Prof X came back w no explanation of his death/return.

Speak for yourself, crap like that annoys the hell out of me. It's like they're saying, "Screw it, the audience are idiots, we don't need to explain it, they'll just accept it."

Only there totally is an explanation for Prof.X's return. It's at the end of X-Men: 3 TSL
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Vrastal on Jan 02, 2015, 07:50:55 PM
The suit thing looks.. silly and i dont much care for the "vagina" egg/hugger thing. I would love to see a new Aliens, preferably with new characters, but the egg looks like it would fit in prometheus.

As bad ass as ripley is i want her story to end, no more memory wipe bs like in out of shadows or ancestry things. I loved out of shadows and sea of sorrows but enough is enough.

One last film to finish her story, i know Weaver really wants to do another one now. Then new characters and stories. Unless they can pull some amazing plot off and make ripleys story last in a way that makes sense.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 02, 2015, 07:53:51 PM
The egg thing was Prometheus fanart by Doug Williams.  Who knew that Neill Blomkamp actually looked at Doug's blog, "pleaselookatmeneillblomkamp"!  :D 

But I agree, the Ripley ALIEN suit comes off to me as lame.  But with Blomkamp's take on science fiction, I would have loved to see this.  If I can accept the existence of the first AVP movie as a totally non-canon, just fun fan wank of a film, I would have at least enjoyed this, though I doubt I would replace Alien 3 with Blomkamp's take on the canon so late after the fact. 
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Ultramorph on Jan 02, 2015, 07:56:37 PM
If that March 2014 date is correct, this lines up well with what James Moore said on the subject; namely, that Fox was interested in Alien 5 and that they were toying with the idea of getting rid of Alien 3, hence living, scarred Hicks.

I wonder if the project is still alive in any capacity with someone else attached?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 02, 2015, 07:57:03 PM
If any film gets made I doubt it would resemble the concept art exactly.  Maybe the alien suit would be dropped or change, because honestly I do not like how it looks right now (or how it looked as of March 2014).
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 02, 2015, 08:03:50 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 02, 2015, 07:56:37 PM
If that March 2014 date is correct, this lines up well with what James Moore said on the subject; namely, that Fox was interested in Alien 5 and that they were toying with the idea of getting rid of Alien 3, hence living, scarred Hicks.

Not to mention the whole idea of acid proof armor which was made out of Xenomorphs and the suit being depicted here in the concept art. Coincidence? I don't know.

Still not too keen on them getting rid of Alien 3 and Resurrection though.. Especially Alien 3 since I liked that one.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 02, 2015, 08:04:45 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Jan 02, 2015, 06:33:51 PM
Couldn't they just use the Ripley Clone and say that Hicks was cryogenically frozen?

He was a mutilated corpse.  What good would it do to freeze him?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 02, 2015, 08:08:57 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 02, 2015, 08:04:45 PM
He was a mutilated corpse.  What good would it do to freeze him?

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I just don't understand why you guys don't freeze him.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Gilfryd on Jan 02, 2015, 08:15:21 PM
Elysium was about as disappointing as Prometheus for me so this can remain a 'what if.'
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: BlazinBlueReview on Jan 02, 2015, 08:16:02 PM
Seen these art last night. And have to say that it'd be fantastic to see Blomkamp being able to direct this. Really intrigued to see what would be developed from this. But honestly who knows if we'll get to see this actually come to fruition one day. It'd be sad if we weren't able to. He definitely has some vision for this.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 02, 2015, 08:18:06 PM
If there was ever a remake of ALIEN, I'd trust Blomkamp's visual style at the least.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: 85 on Jan 02, 2015, 08:24:20 PM
I have a feeling if they got rid of A3 and AR they would pass it off as a bad dream and have her wake up 30 something years later.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 02, 2015, 08:31:17 PM
Quote from: 85 on Jan 02, 2015, 08:24:20 PM
I have a feeling if they got rid of A3 and AR they would pass it off as a bad dream and have her wake up 30 something years later.

Which if you ask me.. is a big and stupid cop-out.

Just like that one whole season in Dallas which turned out to be nothing more than a dream was one major cop out. Or how when the final season of Roseanne turned out to be nothing but Roseanne day dreaming how things could've been different but Dan Connors died from the heart attack was a sour way to end the series..

The whole "Ripley's Nightmare" angle is just a cop out to get fans to stop whining. Thankfully, they didn't get rid of Alien 3 and Resurrection... YET.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 02, 2015, 08:39:04 PM
I doubt any official media would ever opt to refer to the other films as a dream/nightmare.

If Alien 3/Resurrection were ever officially retconned by Fox, the film just wouldn't acknowledge them.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Ultramorph on Jan 02, 2015, 08:48:07 PM
I do hope that the bottom line of all this winds up being confirmation that someone is doing an Alien 5.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 02, 2015, 08:51:20 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 02, 2015, 08:39:04 PM
If Alien 3/Resurrection were ever officially retconned by Fox, the film just wouldn't acknowledge them.

You mean hand waving them away? Ignoring something doesn't make it go away. If a retcon is to be done, then it has to be done properly and right. Otherwise we go in different directions like Godzilla and Halloween.

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 02, 2015, 08:18:06 PM
If there was ever a remake of ALIEN, I'd trust Blomkamp's visual style at the least.

I wouldn't really say ALIEN warrants a remake, but perhaps.. a reboot which has enough differences from the original film. That or create a whole new stand alone and independent continuity.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 02, 2015, 09:12:59 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 02, 2015, 08:51:20 PM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 02, 2015, 08:18:06 PM
If there was ever a remake of ALIEN, I'd trust Blomkamp's visual style at the least.

I wouldn't really say ALIEN warrants a remake, but perhaps.. a reboot which has enough differences from the original film. That or create a whole new stand alone and independent continuity.

Hell no, it does NOT need a remake.  But the if scenario still exists.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 02, 2015, 09:19:16 PM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 02, 2015, 09:12:59 PM
Hell no, it does NOT need a remake.  But the if scenario still exists.

Never say never, because it's bound to happen.. Although I wouldn't bet in our life time.

And if it does happen.. and that's a big IF.. I'm willing to bet maybe another twenty years time.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Elmazalman on Jan 02, 2015, 10:15:33 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 02, 2015, 09:19:16 PM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 02, 2015, 09:12:59 PM
Hell no, it does NOT need a remake.  But the if scenario still exists.

Never say never, because it's bound to happen.. Although I wouldn't bet in our life time.

And if it does happen.. and that's a big IF.. I'm willing to bet maybe another twenty years time.
I wouldn't want to see a remake of ALIEN.It was about 30 years between The Thing From Another World and John Carpenter's version.It could happen sooner than another 20 years.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: T Dog on Jan 02, 2015, 10:16:51 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 02, 2015, 08:04:45 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Jan 02, 2015, 06:33:51 PM
Couldn't they just use the Ripley Clone and say that Hicks was cryogenically frozen?

He was a mutilated corpse.  What good would it do to freeze him?

Should have elaborated.
I meant that he wasn't actually dead after 3 and that the company took him and put him in some sort hibernation stasis. I'm not going to bother ironing out potential plot holes but just a thought on how they could link Hicks up with the Ripley clone from Resurrection.

My idea for Alien 5 would be somehow to link Shaw up with Ripley on the engineer world.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 02, 2015, 11:10:05 PM
Except ALIEN still pumps out new material.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: whiterabbit on Jan 02, 2015, 11:49:57 PM
Alien³ and A|R was just a really crappy dream Ripley had.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Elmazalman on Jan 03, 2015, 12:18:08 AM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 02, 2015, 11:10:05 PM
Except ALIEN still pumps out new material.
Not much of it up to the same high standards set by the original film though.Imo.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Hellspawn28 on Jan 03, 2015, 12:29:12 AM
I would like to see Neil Blomkamp do Alien 5 after Fox does Prometheus 2. They need to finish where they start before ditching another movie seeing that Prometheus was plan to have two sequels early on.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: felipescado on Jan 03, 2015, 12:32:07 AM
mmm, honestly, prometheus, was awesome, (even more with the deleted scenes)
and i loved alien resurrection but, honestly alien 3, was as bland as its title, i think THAT was the worst alien movie, and while i still love resurrection i wouldnt mind a new sequel to alienS, any reboot, remake, re....something would be good, but lets be honest, no matter how awesome they end being, people only will be comparing it to the original, will be critizising anything they can(even in the case it ends being even better than the original), thats the way things are, for me, something that continues from where resurrection ended, would be awesome, as well as this concepts, anything but that honestly i dont know
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Jman on Jan 03, 2015, 12:54:58 AM
Maybe the Ripley's Nightmare concept would work if the Weyland Corporation somehow interfered with Ripley's cryosleep status after ALIENS, taking her, Hicks, and Newt into custody--to suit their research, and then implanted false memories or "dreams" about the events that transpired in ALIEN 3, maybe even of Ripley's own death on Fury 161. Since the Xenos were most likely wiped out on LV426 after the nuclear explosion, the only useful and detailed information Weyland could be able to pursue would be through the experiences of first hand encounters with the creatures--and maybe some leftover alien dna found on board the dropship or the Sulaco itself. Could they have kept her, Hicks and Newt alive and in extended cryosleep or in a drug induced coma for decades, while they picked and probed their minds for any useful Xeno details through their memories? Maybe one of them--Ripley or Hicks-- wakes somehow, realizes what is going on and wakes the other survivors from the Sulaco, then they have to escape the Weyland laboratories and thus encounter many of their experiments, like on one of the levels in the game ALIENS: Colonial Marines. As for the aliens returning, could the memory research, plus some actual DNA from the Queen's tissue resulting from her battle with Ripley in the powerloader, maybe stuck to the powerloader's loading claws work for cloning a Xeno--maybe a slightly different creature(s) due to experimentation with not only human dna, but also from various animals--sort of like the runner alien from Alien 3? Maybe a tiger-alien hybrid, or a bulky and muscular bear-alien mix. Not sure where all this is going, or whether it makes sense to most. Just my thoughts.   :-
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Jman on Jan 03, 2015, 12:59:53 AM
I need to correct one thing I said about the alien tissue on the powerloader claws. The powerloader was sucked out into space after the queen, so the tissue possibly ripped from her during the battle would have to be found on the Sulaco floor.  Interesting concept
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Crazy Rich on Jan 03, 2015, 01:09:54 AM
I won't be signing. The concept art is interesting at the least but it's not something I'd want in the form of a movie.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 03, 2015, 01:28:15 AM
Speculating a bit, I think Neil Blomkamp had the idea that Weyland Yutani discovered that the pilot of the ship from LV-426 was a giant man in a spacesuit. Then, the company manufactured its own version by reverse engineering. And considering that Neil Blomkamp loves everything related to robotic suits (see Distic 9 and Ellysium), perhaps he wanted to explore more about the technology of the  Engineers, a technology that can be very important to pilot the alien spacecraft.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 03, 2015, 01:34:05 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Jan 03, 2015, 12:18:08 AM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 02, 2015, 11:10:05 PM
Except ALIEN still pumps out new material.
Not much of it up to the same high standards set by the original film though.Imo.

That's not my point.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 03, 2015, 01:44:36 AM
Btw, Who wants this crossover?  :laugh:

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Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: viendammage on Jan 03, 2015, 02:18:52 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Jan 02, 2015, 07:44:12 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 02, 2015, 04:43:36 PM
Quote from: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 04:39:35 PMExactly, anyone who enjoyed X-Men Days of Future Past can attest to that as it essentially rebooted the series while taking it in a new direction.

Except time travel fits in with a silly comic book film. A serious Alien universe, it does not.

Quote from: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 04:39:35 PMNobody complained much when Prof X came back w no explanation of his death/return.

Speak for yourself, crap like that annoys the hell out of me. It's like they're saying, "Screw it, the audience are idiots, we don't need to explain it, they'll just accept it."

Only there totally is an explanation for Prof.X's return. It's at the end of X-Men: 3 TSL

You'll have to remind me, his consciousness is in another body then what?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: BlazinBlueReview on Jan 03, 2015, 02:31:37 AM
Quote from: viendammage on Jan 03, 2015, 02:18:52 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Jan 02, 2015, 07:44:12 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 02, 2015, 04:43:36 PM
Quote from: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 04:39:35 PMExactly, anyone who enjoyed X-Men Days of Future Past can attest to that as it essentially rebooted the series while taking it in a new direction.

Except time travel fits in with a silly comic book film. A serious Alien universe, it does not.

Quote from: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 04:39:35 PMNobody complained much when Prof X came back w no explanation of his death/return.

Speak for yourself, crap like that annoys the hell out of me. It's like they're saying, "Screw it, the audience are idiots, we don't need to explain it, they'll just accept it."

Only there totally is an explanation for Prof.X's return. It's at the end of X-Men: 3 TSL

You'll have to remind me, his consciousness is in another body then what?

Spoiler
Yep, he transferred his consciousness into a different body (more specifically it's the one that was seen with Dr. Moira via the monitor for the class that he was teaching his students about the brain, if i recall correctly. the novelization went into a little more detail with it explaining that the body of the man was actually Xavier's brother that he had caused to be brain dead during their childhood together.)
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Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: viendammage on Jan 03, 2015, 02:46:41 AM
Quote from: steelio2006 on Jan 03, 2015, 02:31:37 AM
Quote from: viendammage on Jan 03, 2015, 02:18:52 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Jan 02, 2015, 07:44:12 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 02, 2015, 04:43:36 PM
Quote from: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 04:39:35 PMExactly, anyone who enjoyed X-Men Days of Future Past can attest to that as it essentially rebooted the series while taking it in a new direction.

Except time travel fits in with a silly comic book film. A serious Alien universe, it does not.

Quote from: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 04:39:35 PMNobody complained much when Prof X came back w no explanation of his death/return.

Speak for yourself, crap like that annoys the hell out of me. It's like they're saying, "Screw it, the audience are idiots, we don't need to explain it, they'll just accept it."

Only there totally is an explanation for Prof.X's return. It's at the end of X-Men: 3 TSL

You'll have to remind me, his consciousness is in another body then what?

Spoiler
Yep, he transferred his consciousness into a different body (more specifically it's the one that was seen with Dr. Moira via the monitor for the class that he was teaching his students about the brain, if i recall correctly. the novelization went into a little more detail with it explaining that the body of the man was actually Xavier's brother that he had caused to be brain dead during their childhood together.)
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So a twin brother that was never mentioned over several movies and over 10 years, why would he be in a wheelchair as well?  I mean if audiences can overlook that bit of convenience I'm sure they won't mind a sequel following Aliens. Having Weaver would be half the equation and Hicks didn't die in Aliens so they didn't write themselves totally in a corner a la Highlander where he wins the prize, becomes mortal and then becomes an Alien in the sequel to explain 2nd Gathering...They could literally do a montage to start like they did in Incredible Hulk when Norton took over to fill in the audience.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: T Dog on Jan 03, 2015, 03:03:51 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 02, 2015, 07:56:37 PM
If that March 2014 date is correct, this lines up well with what James Moore said on the subject; namely, that Fox was interested in Alien 5 and that they were toying with the idea of getting rid of Alien 3, hence living, scarred Hicks.

I wonder if the project is still alive in any capacity with someone else attached?

Just listened to the two interviews he did with this site. Very interesting stuff. Seems like Fox is building up to something big behind the scenes for Alien. I'm hoping a shared story between Prometheus (Shaw/David), Alien (Ripley 8) and maybe another cast of characters?

Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Chris!(($$))! on Jan 03, 2015, 05:45:50 AM
After reading through a little more than half this thread I feel as if the characters of Ripley and Hicks need to be let go. A:CM can easily be slapped out of canon by a film. Tons more people will see a film than know the story of a terrible game and it's DLC.

Hicks and Ripley were great characters and thats why they should rest in peace.

Ripley 8 will be easy to explain dying. She is a f**kin clone. Her SEVEN predecessors were all f**ked up in unimaginable ways. It would be extremely easy to simply say she had a lifespan of a few weeks. Easy done.

New characters are what we need. LV-426 should not be returned to either if you ask me.

If I made ALIEN V, I'd simply have another ship similar to the Auriga trying to track down Xenomorphs or the Engineer Jockeys and ending up finding a Engineer's ship and it pretty much realizing they are in WAY over their head now that they're confronted with a more pure, undamaged strain of the Xenomorph species which would give the film team more room for redesigning a monster that would make Giger proud and also stay true to what we all know as the Xenomorph.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
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Please Neil, Get on board with Sigourney and present this to FOX. Please! Why did you ever greenlight Prometheus for God's sake. Ridley lost his magic touch after bladerunner.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 03, 2015, 07:43:57 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on Jan 03, 2015, 06:01:25 AM
Why did you ever greenlight Prometheus for God's sake. Ridley lost his magic touch after bladerunner.

I'd like to hear from your opinion just what was exactly wrong with Prometheus?

I liked the film at first but my opinion on it is starting to change..
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Jan 03, 2015, 07:46:36 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 03, 2015, 07:43:57 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on Jan 03, 2015, 06:01:25 AM
Why did you ever greenlight Prometheus for God's sake. Ridley lost his magic touch after bladerunner.

I'd like to hear from your opinion just what was exactly wrong with Prometheus?

I liked the film at first but my opinion on it is starting to change..

I liked the film dude. This just looks way better than anything Prometheus offered. Its not that I don't like it. I've come to respect it overtime. But come'on dude. Look at the concept art. I'd screw the future of Prometheus for an Alien 5 anyday by Neill Blomkamp
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 03, 2015, 07:54:12 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on Jan 03, 2015, 07:46:36 AM
I liked the film dude. This just looks way better than anything Prometheus offered. Its not that I don't like it. I've come to respect it overtime. But come'on dude. Look at the concept art. I'd screw the future of Prometheus for an Alien 5 anyday by Neill Blomkamp

You'll have to forgive me but from the way your post came off, I had assumed you didn't like the movie.

Thanks for clearing that up, I suppose.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 03, 2015, 08:22:20 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 02, 2015, 07:35:18 PM

Russ, I have to say that I am genuinely flattered that you like my whole AU approach to things. I really think that there are some AU's going on within the franchises similarly to how the Godzilla, Halloween and Highlander franchises have that going on, even if such aren't mentioned in-universe. Really, it does my heart good to see another fan accepting of that.

Why? It's a great theory and the only one that really makes any sense at the end of the day. You made a believer out of me, man.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 02, 2015, 07:35:18 PM
As I said before, the franchise is SUFFERING because of the retcons. A retcon in film format would perhaps not be the best idea because erasing Alien 3 and Resurrection out of canon would... really be hard. Those two films can't just be hand waved away, they can't be just ignored (sure they could but.. ignoring something DOESN'T make it go away). The whole "Ripley's Nightmare",  while a desperate fan solution to erasing those movie is seemingly wanted even after TWENTY THREE YEARS, is definitely a cop-out and perhaps a bad move and direction for a franchise to go.

No more retcons. I'm getting done with them.

I'm not sure I agree. It would be silly, but not hard. Hyperspace bad dreams can explain away AL III EN and A:R could then be hand-waved.

I keep pointing out the Superman Returns example - whatever you think of the film, it's a bona-fide hand-wave and we bought it. Because III and IV were (even their devoted followers will admit) are irredeemably bad, the first in terms of tone, the second in terms of quality.

I think the issue here is that of longevity and stickablity - things are transient, will this still be a story outside of this forum next week. If the idea starts gaining traction, maybe it'll get some consideration, but as you pointed out before, man - it's highly unlikely.

Unless Weaver comes out and puts her support into it, I guess? Then there'd be a talking point for a while. I wonder if Blomkamp even has a treatment for this or if these are just doodlings (albeit doodlings of epic quality and scale).
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 03, 2015, 08:53:19 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 03, 2015, 08:22:20 AM
Why? It's a great theory and the only one that really makes any sense at the end of the day. You made a believer out of me, man.

I am flattered because you are maybe one of few people who have accepted the theory. I remember the multiverse thread I made in the Alien-Predator general discussion forum and there was a good discussion held. So far you're the only one who had accepted it, at least on this forum community anyway. I wish more people would be as accepting. I mean so far no one's answered why there shouldn't a multiverse, and if it has to be just one universe, why just one canon and not more than one?

But I digress, and that is a discussion for a whole other thread. I had attempted to write a project regarding that but I lost incentive and steam but wrote up on what the idea entailed in a look back post. I'd have to link that look back to you sometime. But I'd love for Fox to come out and officially say there are Alien-Predator AU's, or at the least.. alternative continuities. Of course the latter doesn't need an official statement, as there are multiple franchises that have them. I could name a few.

Quote from: Russ on Jan 03, 2015, 08:22:20 AM
I keep pointing out the Superman Returns example - whatever you think of the film, it's a bona-fide hand-wave and we bought it. Because III and IV were (even their devoted followers will admit) are irredeemably bad, the first in terms of tone, the second in terms of quality.

The events of Superman III and Superman IV could still exist within the Donnerverse. According to the DC Database Wiki, it's a part of the DC Multiverse and knowing how a multiverse exist.. Superman Returns more or less could exist in another universe where the events of the first two Superman movies occurred, but two and three never really happened. I mean considering how the DC Multiverse goes through Crisis after Crisis, where universes are shattered, patched worked together, or divergent.. Those two movies could still exist. But there is simply one argument which makes it hard, but not impossible for them to do so..

Namely the fact that Bryan Singer had said that Superman Returns REPLACES Superman III and Superman IV. However considering the fact that the source material, namely the comics themselves often do have events which affect the multiverse where the main canon does intersect with material that is considered apocrypha or.. "Elseworlds". So theoretically, Superman III and Superman IV could perhaps exist as another "Elseworlds." Just some food for thought..

But I am getting off topic.

Quote from: Russ on Jan 03, 2015, 08:22:20 AM
I'm not sure I agree. It would be silly, but not hard. Hyperspace bad dreams can explain away AL III EN and A:R could then be hand-waved.

Which brings us back to "Ripley's Nightmare" and I believe someone had mentioned why this isn't the route to go. I believe it was SM but I could be wrong as memory is not the best thing to go off of. But "Ripley's Nightmare", while an easy explanation to retcon and hand wave the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection as nothing more than a bad dream-- is still a cop out. Also it seems like it would Fox giving into fan pressure as well. And as someone had said, Ripley's story has been told, Hicks needs to be left alone (Aliens: Colonial Marines sloppily retconned his death) and they need to do something else if there is going to be a new Alien story. Leave the Ripley family alone.

Quote from: Russ on Jan 03, 2015, 08:22:20 AM
I think the issue here is that of longevity and stickablity - things are transient, will this still be a story outside of this forum next week. If the idea starts gaining traction, maybe it'll get some consideration, but as you pointed out before, man - it's highly unlikely.

There is some buzz going on about it.. Yahoo News has covered this topic already. So far it remains highly unlikely for this to happen.. But stranger things have happened. Shit... PREDATORS happened after being kept twenty years in a vault, presumed to never see the light of day. Although that movie just makes me feel bitter.. But while it's highly unlikely, I wouldn't say it's impossible. I suppose things depend on how Prometheus 2 does.. whether it makes or breaks, then Fox can decide what to do.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: The Shuriken on Jan 03, 2015, 09:11:29 AM
That xenomorph biosuit Ripley art is kinda weird. I wonder what the idea is behind it.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
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Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 03, 2015, 11:10:57 AM
Alright, I'll bite. When were these taken?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: OWLF on Jan 03, 2015, 11:32:36 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 03, 2015, 11:10:57 AM
Alright, I'll bite. When were these taken?

The top pic is from the Aliens Exposed event in Calgary,Ontario. April 24th,2014. 

The second pic is from Neill Blomkamp´s Instagram account.  ;D
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Xenoscream on Jan 03, 2015, 12:41:35 PM
This is trending on Facebook now.. lets see if the power of social media can get it going.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 03, 2015, 12:55:51 PM
I'm not saying that "Ripley's Nightmare" is a good solution, but it is a workable one if you want to retcon the series (a la Superman). I can't really think of another way to work it if I'm honest.

And you have Newt who will now be grown up... the perfect person to take on to other movies if needs be. The first comic book really handled Hicks and Newt well (him being a pariah, her being mentally damaged).

I just think that the both AL III EN and A:R were so badly received outside of this forum-world where we are all hard-core fans of the franchises. Let's imagine that it did happen - can't you just see Blomkamp on the special features saying just that (assume an SA accent)

"Ja, we saw it as a real chance to back and redress what have come to be seen as the sins of the past. Look. Alien3 and Alien Resurrection are great movies and our film takes nothing away from them - but the real fans of the franchise were disappointed. I consider myself a real fan - Aliens was one of the reasons that I wanted to make movies. So I wanted to take things back to where I... and I think the majority of people ... think they should have been. We have a wider universe to explore -- Ripley - Ellen Ripley that is and not Ripley 8 -- Dwayne Hicks and Rebecca Jordin are part of that universe and I think their story needs to be told. So we're saying that the events of the previous two movies were the result of Hyperspace REM state - HyRem. Or, ja - it was all a dream. But I hope we're now going deliver the sequel to Aliens that the fans wanted back in the day."

What you say about leaving the Ripley family and Fox giving into pressure... Fox seem to have made it pretty clear that the new 'verse will have continuity with the Ripley family -I've not read the new novels (its my birthday on 21st Jan, though!) but Ripley (and Ash?) are in them, Amanda's in Isolation... that's a pretty clear mandate.

Giving into pressure - that can, has and always will be countered with "giving the fans what they want." Its exactly what they'll say when the reboot Resident Evil for instance. "Paul's movies were great, but the fans of the franchise always questioned why Alice - a character who didn't appear in the games, was the heroine of the movie. Sure, Paul wanted to make it accessible to non-gamers, but the first one was made back in the day when consoles weren't so prevalent. Now, that isn't the case, and fans of Resident Evil - I consider myself a fan... Playing Resident Evil was one of the reasons I wanted to make horror movies... deserve a story with the characters they've invested so much time with. With this movie, we're hoping to deliver exactly what the true fans want."

Shit, I should write this stuff for them *lol*

Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jan 03, 2015, 01:04:05 PM
Of course, since the Space Jockey turned out to be a giant man in a suit, obviously the alien was Ripley in a suit all the time and perhaps the Alien 3 beast was Jones the cat in an alien suit too
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 03, 2015, 01:15:56 PM
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Before some people start getting excited about the image of Sigourney and Neill, I just want to point out to those that aren't aware that that is from Chappie, Blomkamp's next film, which Weaver has a role in.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 03, 2015, 01:30:44 PM
RakaiThwei the bottom picture was taken on the Chappie set shortly before production wrapped in mid-January last year. What is interesting is that Weaver barely features in Chappie according to people who have seen the preview/workprint screenings.

But why did Blomkamp fly her all the way out to Johannesburg for such a trivial role? Was it mainly to pitch her this idea for a new Alien film?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 03, 2015, 02:09:58 PM
Probably just because he is a fan of her and wanted her in the role, and lately she's been taking a lot of smaller roles in sci-fi/horror films, basically glorified cameos. Maybe he discussed it with her, but I p honestly doubt there was any official pitch.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 03, 2015, 02:35:51 PM
Yeah, I'm probably reading too much into it but you have to admit, a new Alien film proposition from Neill Blomkamp and Sigourney Weaver (who also happens to be a film producer) would be pretty hard for Fox to ignore or turn down.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Visceral_Mass on Jan 03, 2015, 02:35:58 PM
I think he has the right idea for how the series should have progressed after Aliens. The first movie had them investigate the signal, the second had them set up a colony near the discovered craft, so it makes sense the the third movie should have involved some sort of full scale operation by the company to recover and study the craft and its contents.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2015, 05:30:55 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 03, 2015, 12:55:51 PMI'm not saying that "Ripley's Nightmare" is a good solution, but it is a workable one if you want to retcon the series (a la Superman). I can't really think of another way to work it if I'm honest.

I'd be really surprised if they retcon three and Resurrection, given that they just specifically elected not to do that when writing Sea of Sorrows.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: razeak on Jan 03, 2015, 05:35:09 PM
Those are neat pieces. As much as I hated Hicks death when I was 12, I say just leave it go and move in an original direction with new actors and hopefully competent producers, directors and writers. Fox already protected Alien 3 and A:R during the production of A:CM(as sloppy as it is). I could assume if Weaver was a producer and threw her weight around with Neill it could maybe at least put the topic out there. The big question from that perspective, does Weaver have a beef with Alien 3? She certainly didn't champion anything  with A:R and she had the power to do so. I say leave that canon alone(save maybe removing A:CM) and call it a day as far as Ripley, Hicks and Newt goes. Their stories closed tragically, but effective and meaningful(maybe not so much Newt and Hicks, but so is life versus the Alien).




That being said, I certainly would not pass up the chance to see Weaver and Biehn in another Alien film canon be damned.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: WinterActual on Jan 03, 2015, 05:49:20 PM
Quote from: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 05:28:51 AM
Oh man the image of Ripley and scarred Hicks, makes me giddy and depressed at the same time.  F@ck Alien 3!

Can't agree more. Alien 3 ruined the series.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: cyt0sk3l3t0n on Jan 03, 2015, 09:38:44 PM
That helmet in the 6th picture is really bad. It looks silly, in my opinion. The rest is very nice and interesting, though.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 03, 2015, 11:35:05 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2015, 05:30:55 PM
I'd be really surprised if they retcon three and Resurrection, given that they just specifically elected not to do that when writing Sea of Sorrows.

Didn't they need convincing for their minds to be changed? Unless I am mistaken from what I've heard with the Golden interview.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2015, 11:48:56 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 03, 2015, 11:35:05 PMDidn't they need convincing for their minds to be changed? Unless I am mistaken from what I've heard with the Golden interview.

Didn't sound that way to me. Golden simply said they originally briefed him to write the book so that it referenced only the first two films and ignored the later entries, but then they changed their mind before release and instead wanted to actively acknowledge them, and Golden had to alter the some small things in the book correspondingly.

That, coupled with the fact the upcoming Weyland-Yutani Report also goes into the characters and events of the third and fourth films, means I'd be very surprised if they've suddenly decided to retcon them.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: predxeno on Jan 03, 2015, 11:55:19 PM

Quote from: WinterActual on Jan 03, 2015, 05:49:20 PM
Quote from: viendammage on Jan 02, 2015, 05:28:51 AM
Oh man the image of Ripley and scarred Hicks, makes me giddy and depressed at the same time.  F@ck Alien 3!

Can't agree more. Alien 3 ruined the series.

Aliens was a step forward in an original direction after Alien, Alien 3 was a step back. :(
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: predxeno on Jan 03, 2015, 11:58:45 PM
Wow, there's so much negativity on this thread, I'll sign it if just to say I want an Alien movie that isn't a cheap Prometheus rip.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Jan 04, 2015, 12:46:39 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 03, 2015, 11:58:45 PM
Wow, there's so much negativity on this thread, I'll sign it if just to say I want an Alien movie that isn't a cheap Prometheus rip.

Exactly! This looks cool as hell. Whoever thinks otherwise...I just worry about  :laugh:
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: SiL on Jan 04, 2015, 01:13:57 AM
It looks like the same dumb fanfiction people have been writing for decades. Just cos it's Blomkamp doesn't mean it would have been any better.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 04, 2015, 01:20:04 AM
Yeah. I love most of the design stuff a lot,but I can't say I'm fond of the idea of Ripley and Hicks coming back.

I'd love to see some of these ideas used in a non-Alien project, though.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Thomas on Jan 04, 2015, 01:33:39 AM
if anyone is going to tackle a new alien movie i want it to be a new storyline with new caracters. If that is to much to ask for then i wouldn´t mind seeing an "alien isolation the movie" with some plot changes and twist so that we get something familiar and new at the same time. Those of us who play alien isolation still want to be surprised.

A side note : The space jockeys were bio engineers which in my mind means that the xenomorph of the alien movies is one version of a bio weapon and the mutation in prometeus is a different version. Meaning we could be introduced to other versions of the bio weapon.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: tmoldovan on Jan 04, 2015, 03:42:57 AM
At the end of Alien 2, the escape pod with Ripley, Newt and Hicks is intercepted by WY.
The company clones them and sends the originals back on their merry adventures in A3 and A4. Or they keep the originals and send the copies off.

In either case you now have new Ripley and Hicks to play with.

Maybe the company planted those eggs and sent them to the penal colony to see how things develop.

Love those shots of Derelict and Facility.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Sgt. Apone on Jan 04, 2015, 04:04:50 AM
Quote from: tmoldovan on Jan 04, 2015, 03:42:57 AM
At the end of Alien 2, the escape pod with Ripley, Newt and Hicks is intercepted by WY.
The company clones them and sends the originals back on their merry adventures in A3 and A4. Or they keep the originals and send the copies off.

In either case you now have new Ripley and Hicks to play with.

Maybe the company planted those eggs and sent them to the penal colony to see how things develop.

Love those shots of Derelict and Facility.

Why would they clone them?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: WinterActual on Jan 04, 2015, 06:45:38 AM
For the lulz afterwards.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Kelgaard on Jan 04, 2015, 08:10:34 AM
The pics are interesting but I'd like to hear the actual pitch before signing anything.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: whiterabbit on Jan 04, 2015, 09:49:12 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on Jan 04, 2015, 12:46:39 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 03, 2015, 11:58:45 PM
Wow, there's so much negativity on this thread, I'll sign it if just to say I want an Alien movie that isn't a cheap Prometheus rip.

Exactly! This looks cool as hell. Whoever thinks otherwise...I just worry about  :laugh:
That kind of desperation is what got us AVPr!   :laugh:
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2015, 10:09:35 AM
Quote from: tmoldovan on Jan 04, 2015, 03:42:57 AMAt the end of Alien 2, the escape pod with Ripley, Newt and Hicks is intercepted by WY.
The company clones them and sends the originals back on their merry adventures in A3 and A4. Or they keep the originals and send the copies off.

:laugh:

No.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: WinterActual on Jan 04, 2015, 11:28:01 AM
Look how hard it was to clone Ripley in A:R. And it takes place WAY after A3. There's no way WY to clone Ripley and Hicks with the tech present in that time period.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: T Dog on Jan 04, 2015, 01:44:19 PM
I think that although A3 was disappointing initially it has become a flawed but pretty good film in my mind.
Once you get over the deaths of Hicks and Newt I think the series would have probably ended the way it did anyway with Ripley dying or sacrificing herself. You can maybe assume that Hicks and Ripley would have died in 3 regardless of what movie came about.

I think a retcon or an alternative storyline just seems a bit silly and will muddle things even more than bringing Ripley back in Resurrection already did. I'd love to see Michael Biehn in another great role/movie and it pained me as a kid how he was rubbed out of A3 but bringing him back would just seem silly now.....how did they do it in Colonial Marines btw?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2015, 01:52:03 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Jan 04, 2015, 01:44:19 PMhow did they do it in Colonial Marines btw?

We're expected to believe a man wearing bandages in exactly the same place as Hicks somehow ended up on the Sulaco, and then managed to get thrown into Hicks' cryotube during a fistfight with W-Y soldiers and get locked inside, and then was lucky enough to get mangled in such a way that his injuries disguised who it really was.

None of which addresses how the hell hicks' dog tags get to Fiorina - they're visible in Alien 3. Or why the ship's black box didn't know there were soldiers on board, but thought there was a fire which literally never happens in the game.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: WinterActual on Jan 04, 2015, 02:48:15 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Jan 04, 2015, 01:44:19 PM
I think that although A3 was disappointing initially it has become a flawed but pretty good film in my mind.
Once you get over the deaths of Hicks and Newt I think the series would have probably ended the way it did anyway with Ripley dying or sacrificing herself. You can maybe assume that Hicks and Ripley would have died in 3 regardless of what movie came about.

I think a retcon or an alternative storyline just seems a bit silly and will muddle things even more than bringing Ripley back in Resurrection already did. I'd love to see Michael Biehn in another great role/movie and it pained me as a kid how he was rubbed out of A3 but bringing him back would just seem silly now.....how did they do it in Colonial Marines btw?

The whole idea of A3 is crap. Hicks being dead is the last problem of the movie. One of the most high security prisons in the universe - yet, not a single weapon on it - what the f**k. If it was some colony or something like that, a place with normal people, yeah it may lack weapons, but a prison without weapons? Yeah.. no.

Personally I would love to see Alien 3 set in some space station ala Omega from Mass Effect. With mercs, bandits, and other scum, security forces, civilians. Just imagine how much xenos they can get in that movie and what massacre they can represent. Epic last stand and battle scenes. Also Hicks and Newt would be alive. I don't mind Newt being the sole survivor in the end of the movie though. I can imagine a shuttle with Newt on board and the station blowing up behind it.

But Alien 3 was just talking 99% of the movie, CGI xeno (wtf bro) and overall the xeno was not that frightening like in the first movie. What I mean with this is that even one xeno can be scary but they couldn't pull that off again in A3.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 04, 2015, 02:52:32 PM
Most shots of the Alien in the third film were either a suit or a rod puppet.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: T Dog on Jan 04, 2015, 02:54:16 PM
Quote from: WinterActual on Jan 04, 2015, 02:48:15 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Jan 04, 2015, 01:44:19 PM
I think that although A3 was disappointing initially it has become a flawed but pretty good film in my mind.
Once you get over the deaths of Hicks and Newt I think the series would have probably ended the way it did anyway with Ripley dying or sacrificing herself. You can maybe assume that Hicks and Ripley would have died in 3 regardless of what movie came about.

I think a retcon or an alternative storyline just seems a bit silly and will muddle things even more than bringing Ripley back in Resurrection already did. I'd love to see Michael Biehn in another great role/movie and it pained me as a kid how he was rubbed out of A3 but bringing him back would just seem silly now.....how did they do it in Colonial Marines btw?

The whole idea of A3 is crap. Hicks being dead is the last problem of the movie. One of the most high security prisons in the universe - yet, not a single weapon on it - what the f**k. If it was some colony or something like that, a place with normal people, yeah it may lack weapons, but a prison without weapons? Yeah.. no.

Personally I would love to see Alien 3 set in some space station ala Omega from Mass Effect. With mercs, bandits, and other scum, security forces, civilians. Just imagine how much xenos they can get in that movie and what massacre they can represent. Epic last stand and battle scenes. Also Hicks and Newt would be alive. I don't mind Newt being the sole survivor in the end of the movie though. I can imagine a shuttle with Newt on board and the station blowing up behind it.

But Alien 3 was just talking 99% of the movie, CGI xeno (wtf bro) and overall the xeno was not that frightening like in the first movie. What I mean with this is that even one xeno can be scary but they couldn't pull that off again in A3.

Well it had become a colony and the prisoners had stayed there voluntarily.
Yeah the blue screen ALIEN looks really bad - has a weird green glow around it.
I think wether we like how it happened or not - THAT story of the original Ripley and Hicks etc is done. They are never coming back so all we can hope is that 3 medium-poorly rated films later (A3-Prometheus) that they can actually make another great ALIEN movie again.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2015, 03:34:23 PM
Quote from: WinterActual on Jan 04, 2015, 02:48:15 PMOne of the most high security prisons in the universe - yet, not a single weapon on it - what the f**k.

Except it's not a prison. It used to be a prison, but the film makes it perfectly clear it's been closed down for years and the remaining inhabitants are there voluntarily. The company presumably took any weapons the security team would have had when they shut it down and evacuated most of the inmates - it's pretty obvious they've strip-mined everything else of any value.

Quote from: WinterActual on Jan 04, 2015, 02:48:15 PMPersonally I would love to see Alien 3 set in some space station ala Omega from Mass Effect. With mercs, bandits, and other scum, security forces, civilians. Just imagine how much xenos they can get in that movie and what massacre they can represent. Epic last stand and battle scenes. Also Hicks and Newt would be alive. I don't mind Newt being the sole survivor in the end of the movie though. I can imagine a shuttle with Newt on board and the station blowing up behind it.

So basically you want Gibson's totally over-the-top and daft first script. No thanks. Gibson's second draft is ace, but the first reads like lame fan fiction once you start dealing with hundreds of Aliens.

Quote from: WinterActual on Jan 04, 2015, 02:48:15 PMCGI xeno (wtf bro)

The Alien wasn't CGI at all, unless you count the single shot of it's head cracking at the end.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: WinterActual on Jan 04, 2015, 03:47:40 PM
I never said they will "deal" with the hundreds of aliens  ;)

If the xeno wasn't CGI why it looked like added later on 99% of the time? I mean just compare the xeno from Alien to the one in A3.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2015, 03:51:34 PM
Quote from: WinterActual on Jan 04, 2015, 03:47:40 PMIf the xeno wasn't CGI why it looked like added later on 99% of the time? I mean just compare the xeno from Alien to the one in A3.

It was a rod puppet miniature - a beautiful one, although you can't see it in the film. It's just really badly composited into the live-action footage.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jan 04, 2015, 04:15:49 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2015, 03:34:23 PMThe Alien wasn't CGI at all, unless you count the single shot of it's head cracking at the end.

Seriously, this needs to be like a permanent announcement on the front page:

"Welcome to AvPGalaxy. The creature in Alien3 was not CGI."  :D
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: tmoldovan on Jan 04, 2015, 05:04:40 PM

Quote from: Sgt. Apone link=topic=52058.msg2030947#msg2030947

Why would they clone them?
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So we can have a new movie.


As far as how hard it was to clone her 200 years into the future, a couple of things:

#1 that wasn't WY cloning her in AVPR. WY could have had better tech.
#2 clone in AVPR had alien DNA. That may have made it harder than cloning a human.

I'm just saying, if I'm supposed to believe that a scientist would pet a f**king alien cobra in Prometheus, I could believe an insertion like that.

Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2015, 05:10:23 PM
Quote from: tmoldovan on Jan 04, 2015, 05:04:40 PMSo we can have a new movie.

Thinking like that is what got us Resurrection and Prometheus.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 04, 2015, 05:25:09 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2015, 05:10:23 PM
Thinking like that is what got us Resurrection and Prometheus.

We got.. four movies. Six if we count the AvP due to them featuring the creature.

I think six movies is enough.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: tmoldovan on Jan 04, 2015, 05:33:04 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2015, 05:10:23 PM
Quote from: tmoldovan on Jan 04, 2015, 05:04:40 PMSo we can have a new movie.

Thinking like that is what got us Resurrection and Prometheus.

I know. Maybe I'd be willing to buy it just as an excuse to get Blomkamp to direct It.

Ok, obviously as this is just a thing I've thought up last night, I'm not going to push it. Consider this:

- the reason they were cloned, it was a Bishop android who did it without the consent of the company. Why would he do that? Maybe in A2 while communicating with Sulaco, Bishop sent an encoded message to other synths, "Protect Ripley". He valued her as a friend and a leader. I dunno, something like that.

- the company intercepts the lifeboat, decides to implant Ripley with a queen and sends her on a BFE planet to create a few dozen eggs for future research.
New queen, new eggs, low chance of it running out of control, Ripley who knew too much gets what's coming to her. Therefore we get A3, and a clean exit for new movies.

This is plausible enough to me where i'd buy it. Kind of like cloning alien and Ripley in A4 and transferring memories.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Visceral_Mass on Jan 04, 2015, 06:03:11 PM
I think it is reboot time.

Isn't that what they decided for Ghostbusters? That it was time to start over and rebuild the franchise for today's audiences.

I think that could work for the Alien franchise, if they approach it as a multi-movie project instead of tacking things onto the current franchise.

Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2015, 06:13:11 PM
Quote from: tmoldovan on Jan 04, 2015, 05:33:04 PMThis is plausible enough to me where i'd buy it. Kind of like cloning alien and Ripley in A4 and transferring memories.

Or, alternatively, you could just make a fifth film without Ripley or Hicks and thereby avoid having to come up with utterly ridiculous scenarios like that to make a new film.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Circadian on Jan 04, 2015, 06:17:26 PM
They should take the Star Trek approach to the franchise and reboot everything after Aliens as an alternate universe.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: viendammage on Jan 04, 2015, 06:31:53 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 04, 2015, 05:25:09 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2015, 05:10:23 PM
Thinking like that is what got us Resurrection and Prometheus.

We got.. four movies. Six if we count the AvP due to them featuring the creature.

I think six movies is enough.

Nah, the franchise can totally go on.  As an in actual prequel, carrying on with Ripley and Hicks 30 years later, focusing on Colonial Marines, introducing new characters, environments, whatever.

Prometheus suffered because it was half prequel, half trying to set up something new.  Fox just needs to decide what they want out of it, a universe or a franchise.  As X-Men showed us, they're more interested in product than continuity though.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 04, 2015, 06:35:59 PM
Quote from: Circadian on Jan 04, 2015, 06:17:26 PM
They should take the Star Trek approach to the franchise and reboot everything after Aliens as an alternate universe.

Funny you mention that as I proposed a theory that there is more than one Alien universe (AvP being one of two of them). But a lot of fans don't seem to really either want to accept that idea, or find it too.. comic booky. The multiverse idea would solve a lot of the whole canon debates and continuity problems. Not all of them but.. a lot.

As for them taking the Star Trek approach? If you mean involving time travel.. No, just leave that to the Terminator franchise and Star Trek. If you're going to do a reboot.. do a hard reboot.  Robocop had a hard reboot not too long ago, and there are already multiple Robocop universes, even if not officially addressed but there they are.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2015, 08:06:11 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 03, 2015, 11:35:05 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2015, 05:30:55 PM
I'd be really surprised if they retcon three and Resurrection, given that they just specifically elected not to do that when writing Sea of Sorrows.

Didn't they need convincing for their minds to be changed? Unless I am mistaken from what I've heard with the Golden interview.

I think you're thinking Moore, not Golden.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: razeak on Jan 04, 2015, 08:21:35 PM
I'm all for all new characters. It could still reference events from the trilogy or be affected by those events. I could get behind Amanda Ripley also as long as it wasn't an actor from Glee. They need to get really strong casts like the first 3 films.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Shamo on Jan 04, 2015, 08:43:57 PM
I really kind of like the concept behind the Fan Art. I thought myself years ago, if I were to make an Alien 5 I would have Ripley on earth becoming a SPECIES like Gigersk Alien Queen Mutation- and its up to the others to take her down. One could even take the expanded universe into account and make some of her human family fight against the new Aliens. Ripleys Children fighting against Ripleys children.  :o
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Son Of Kane on Jan 04, 2015, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 04, 2015, 09:49:12 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on Jan 04, 2015, 12:46:39 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 03, 2015, 11:58:45 PM
Wow, there's so much negativity on this thread, I'll sign it if just to say I want an Alien movie that isn't a cheap Prometheus rip.

Exactly! This looks cool as hell. Whoever thinks otherwise...I just worry about  :laugh:
That kind of desperation is what got us AVPr!   :laugh:

Exactly ugh.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Quarax on Jan 04, 2015, 10:05:29 PM
http://djahal.deviantart.com/gallery/ (http://djahal.deviantart.com/gallery/)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 04, 2015, 10:37:18 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2015, 08:06:11 PM
I think you're thinking Moore, not Golden.

THAT'S WHO I'M THINKING!

Yeah, I get the authors of the new EU confused.. I know of Lebbon and Golden but I completely forgot Moore.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Vrastal on Jan 04, 2015, 11:17:59 PM
IF were going to get a new alien film in any way shape or form make it something NEW. No ripley, no hicks. Leave them be theyre done.

Billions of people at that point in time and the universe decides oh this ripley chick i better show her whats what and make her face aliens..

No nightmare bull $#!!. new characters new cast. reference the original movies but for the love of god leave ripley, newt and hicks alone.

Predators, whether you like the film or not, did that right at least and referenced the first movie but that was it.

Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Crazy Rich on Jan 05, 2015, 12:14:21 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 04, 2015, 09:49:12 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on Jan 04, 2015, 12:46:39 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 03, 2015, 11:58:45 PM
Wow, there's so much negativity on this thread, I'll sign it if just to say I want an Alien movie that isn't a cheap Prometheus rip.

Exactly! This looks cool as hell. Whoever thinks otherwise...I just worry about  :laugh:
That kind of desperation is what got us AVPr!   :laugh:

*Vietnam-esque flashbacks ensue*
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: viendammage on Jan 05, 2015, 02:24:57 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Jan 04, 2015, 11:17:59 PM
IF were going to get a new alien film in any way shape or form make it something NEW. No ripley, no hicks. Leave them be theyre done.

Billions of people at that point in time and the universe decides oh this ripley chick i better show her whats what and make her face aliens..

No nightmare bull $#!!. new characters new cast. reference the original movies but for the love of god leave ripley, newt and hicks alone.

Predators, whether you like the film or not, did that right at least and referenced the first movie but that was it.

Ugh, Predators referenced the original sure then proceeded to ape it's story,style, music and dialog making for a half sequel, half reboot instead an original story like Predator 2.  I'd definitely rather see a sequel to Aliens that cancels out 3 and 4 than some half baked attempt like that where you're constantly reminded how much better the original was.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 05, 2015, 03:06:29 AM
I wouldn't mind a stand alone Alien movie that has NOTHING to do with the previous four movies and Prometheus, except for the Xenomorphs themselves.

Something entirely on it's own.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Jango1201 on Jan 05, 2015, 04:04:53 AM
Cool for a movie but I don't want to see Ripley or any kind of piss poor A:CM explanation of Hicks being alive. Their story is done and as much I love Ripley, I do not want to see her again in another alien movie. Time to give the franchise a fresh start with fresh motives without being slapped in the face by a cash cow. Bring an in universe story that pays ultimate respect to the material with new faces and motivation.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: thecaffeinatedone on Jan 05, 2015, 04:30:39 AM
I always thought that District 9 was one of the best adult sci-fi thrillers in recent years, tis a shame that he never directed an Alien film.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Chris!(($$))! on Jan 05, 2015, 06:01:24 AM
A reboot is seriously the only proper way to continue this franchise. And a reboot can remain in the same universe if it just doesn't try to use character that we like'd to see but we know we shouldn't.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: whiterabbit on Jan 05, 2015, 07:41:09 AM
Seriously, how hard is it to just make a movie starring alien(s) and people! No predators or crossovers! Set the movie in any near future environment and location. No need to one up the scare/gore/rape factor either. Just try and make a good, coherent and entertaining movie or is that asking too much my dear movie engineers?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 05, 2015, 08:19:29 AM
I don't think a remake is needed. The originals continue to hold up to this day. The galaxy is a big place, nothing to stop them from doing a new series of Alien films (without the digits) and just having that as a quasi reboot (which is certainly what the AvP series needs, IMHO) rather than a fully fledged remake.

But I still want Ripley 8's story to be wrapped up before they do move away though. I do like the idea of her circumcising to her Alien side and becoming a bit of an adversary.


Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 04, 2015, 01:20:04 AM
Yeah. I love most of the design stuff a lot,but I can't say I'm fond of the idea of Ripley and Hicks coming back.

I'd love to see some of these ideas used in a non-Alien project, though.

We still having a living Ripley. Let's finish off her story.

ACM already showed up and brought Hicks back. It was bad. Let that dog lay to rest.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 05, 2015, 08:55:11 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 05, 2015, 07:41:09 AMSeriously, how hard is it to just make a movie starring alien(s) and people! No predators or crossovers! Set the movie in any near future environment and location. No need to one up the scare/gore/rape factor either. Just try and make a good, coherent and entertaining movie or is that asking too much my dear movie engineers?

This. I don't see why people keep saying "WE NEED TEH REB00T!!" when there is literally endless possibility for more Alien stories that could quite happily co-exist with the existing films.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 05, 2015, 11:37:21 AM
There is, but I think that Blomkamp's point is that "people" felt that the Ripley / Hicks thing was poorly handled in A3 and a new film should "Superman Returns" A3 and A:R.

Also, Fox's mandate seems to be that the Alien story involves the Ripley clan (a pure Alien story, I mean, not an AvP). I think it was HuDa that pointed that out before re: the Sea of Sorrows?

I can't see anything new in the AlienVerse without them being involved. They tried that with Prometheus...  I don't know if you guys have seen it, but they had the original script writer talking to Empire magazine, and the Prometheus story was all about Xenos - "our" Xenos not those new shit ones that they had in the movie. It was an "Alien" story which became something else in the end.

Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 05, 2015, 11:51:26 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 05, 2015, 11:37:21 AMThere is, but I think that Blomkamp's point is that "people" felt that the Ripley / Hicks thing was poorly handled in A3 and a new film should "Superman Returns" A3 and A:R.

Well then I put it to these "people" that there are far more constructive and inventive was of propelling the franchise forwards without flogging that old dead horse. Except they won't because it's easier to just slap "Ripley and Hicks!" on it than come up with something new and inventive.

I mean, do people really want a 60 year-old Michael Biehn running around blasting Aliens from his wheelchair? (No disrespect to him, but he looks seriously old and haggard these days.)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 05, 2015, 12:18:47 PM
I think that they do, though it's pointed out here that the only way it can really end for those two characters is "badly." Look, I agree, I think new stories with new people would be great, but (this is a really big) if there's any traction for Blomkamp's idea, then Weaver and Biehn will be back.

Maybe they'd get the happy ending many wanted for them (but the truth is that Fincher's horrific opening was pretty true to the tone of the series and serves the arc of the character).

I'll admit - I want a happy ending for them *lol*
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 05, 2015, 12:29:56 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 05, 2015, 12:18:47 PMMaybe they'd get the happy ending many wanted for them (but the truth is that Fincher's horrific opening was pretty true to the tone of the series and serves the arc of the character).

That's exactly why I don't want them to re-do it. Happy endings just aren't realistic, least of all in the Alien universe. Alien 3, for all it's faults, made a pretty ballsy move killing off it's characters, I can't think of a single other franchise film that has done so. And yet it fit perfectly with the tone of the series.

But people seem to want a fairytale ending with Ripley, Hicks and Newt, the happy Alien-killing family. Tonally, it's completely inappropriate, and kinda daft if you ask me.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Bunyon Snipe on Jan 05, 2015, 01:02:18 PM
It's a nice idea, but never going to happen...

Unless they do it as a TV series with a new cast!


I quite the the (preposterous) idea of a TV series set alternate future 30 years later, based around General Hicks who has been forced into semi retirement by Weyland-Yutani (who are now fully in charge of the military) and his expedition to find Ripley and Newt who are fugitives...

Weaver could do a brief cameo and Biehn could return as Hicks who along with Newt  are going to bring down WY.

Yeah I know it's dumb, but it could be dumb fun!
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 05, 2015, 05:59:05 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 05, 2015, 12:29:56 PM

But people seem to want a fairytale ending with Ripley, Hicks and Newt, the happy Alien-killing family. Tonally, it's completely inappropriate, and kinda daft if you ask me.

I agree as I say above, but we (the forum we) are probably in a minority. Tonally, the deaths were right on, but many people felt it was a "punk" way for those two characters to go out.

However, if we explore this further, are we really resurrecting Hicks and Ripley only to have them killed again, but this time more heroically, (taking out the "ultra-hive" or something).

That said - Aliens did have a happy ending. They slept all the way home and the nightmares were no-more ("Can we dream"/"Yes I think we both can" - remember Ripley's motivation for going there were to deal with her nightmares - she'd never be free of them till she'd finished it).

I think in the final analysis, the bloomkamp thing won't happen as much as some (even me) may want it to. Then again, this is a great franchise / shared universe for Fox (Disney and WB have theirs - does Fox have anything else - genuine question, I don't know. Star Wars went to Disney which I forgot about).

As Bunyon says above, I'd really love it if they did a TV show.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: windebieste on Jan 06, 2015, 02:45:04 AM
Ignoring 'ALIEN 3' and 'ALIEN: Resurrection' and bringing Hicks back is just woeful.  There's no guarantee that such a movie would be any good, anyway, so I'm glad this is more or less just glorified fan art.

A reboot is not needed either. 

What is needed is fresh characters and situations within the established Universe to give it much needed push in the right direction. I am hoping that 'Prometheus 2' can deliver in this regard.  After all, if someone like Ridley Scott has trouble re-inventing this series, what promise is there that someone who proposes that a 60+ year old Sigourney Weaver in bad xenomorph cosplay would be any good?

Is that what fans really want?  Just more of the same with aging actors, retreaded ideas and no guarantee it will be any good?

I shudder that this licence is heading down the same slope that 'The Terminator' is sliding down. 

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jan 06, 2015, 02:45:22 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Jan 02, 2015, 10:16:51 PM
I meant that he wasn't actually dead after 3 and that the company took him and put him in some sort hibernation stasis. I'm not going to bother ironing out potential plot holes but just a thought on how they could link Hicks up with the Ripley clone from Resurrection.

Ignoring that it wouldn't serve any ourpose for them to do so, he wasn't a Weyland-Yutani employee and the ship wasn't their property, either.

The concept art looked nice, but we have no idea what the story was going to be about. No point in voicing support for the project to be made, unless we know more.

Remember, 'Colonial Marines' had some nice concept art, too.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jan 06, 2015, 03:20:38 AM
A television show was rumoured in the nineties, but from what I remember, was abandoned because of the projected budget. It's much more plausible for something like that to be done right, though, these days.

The concept art looks nice. No idea what the story could be, but judging from the injuries, that's the original Hicks, no question about it.

I wouldn't be averse to retconning the third and fourth movies as dreams. The third, expecially, has some fairly dream-like qualities about it and we might even get a continuity explanation for the magically appearing egg and why the cryotubes look like those on the Nostromo, instead of Sulaco.

The problem is, it's a huge gamble. If the writing's there, brilliant. If it's off, then all you're doing is replacing one sub-standard branch of continuity with another.

I liked 'District 9', but it wasn't devoid of problems. Unfortunately, 'Elysium' showed what he'd do with a decent budget and it just felt like a bland vanity project. Even the central theme made no sense: If you're keeping the citizens of Earth as a manual labour force and have the ability to heal them of all diseases/injuries, then you do that. The two things you want in a work-force are for them to be both physically healthy and not having every reason to launch a rebellion. The story abandoned that logic as an excuse to do a cheap class warfare narrative.

So, I suspect the story might be as vacuous as that, but I'm open to being pleasantly surprised. After all, 'Isolation' had a story which was paper-thin and was all about the atmospheric presentation.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: windebieste on Jan 06, 2015, 03:55:51 AM
They should retcon 'ALIENS' out of the series. 

That would be fantastic!

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 06, 2015, 04:38:40 AM
Alright, fine.. So the whole "Ripley's Nightmare" angle can work if people really want Alien 3 and Resurrection retconned. I don't mean hand waved by simply ignoring as they doesn't really negate something PROPERLY. The dream angle is a way to do it but I just feel like it's just a cop out. Sure, some of us want Newt and Hicks back along with the real Ripley. But I don't think retconning would do much good otherwise we'd end up with retconned crap.. which if you ask me.. we already have thanks to Aliens: Colonial Marines.

Someone wanted Hicks back, well they somehow managed to pull him from the great beyond, come up with a bullshit explanation or lack there of. So in my opinion, I think Alien 3 and Resurrection should be left alone. I think the series has been retconned enough as it is. Too many retcons will just further screw things up.

Quote from: windebieste on Jan 06, 2015, 02:45:04 AM
Is that what fans really want?  Just more of the same with aging actors, retreaded ideas and no guarantee it will be any good?

Sometimes I wonder if the whole nostalgia feeling is what is making people clamoring for the return of Michael Biehn and Sigourney Weaver. Then again this is a common thing for ALL franchises, so there are no exemptions. Even Predator has the same issue as we have people still clamoring for Ah-nuld to return when I believe Dutch's story is told and needs to be left alone. Nostalgia is a double bladed sword.. it can be wonderful to recapture the past, but it can also be blinding.

I mean when I last spoke to Biehn at Monstermania 2009, he said he was done with the franchise, dusted his hands and left it out. Did he even really want to do Aliens: Colonial Marines? Because I've heard that from interviews, he didn't sound too enthusiastic about doing the whole project and didn't care.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 06, 2015, 08:43:25 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 06, 2015, 03:20:38 AMI wouldn't be averse to retconning the third and fourth movies as dreams.

Every time I hear this I'm genuinely stunned anyone would think it's a good, enjoyable idea.

Seriously, it's just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 06, 2015, 11:25:28 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 06, 2015, 02:45:04 AM

Is that what fans really want?
-Windebieste.

Fans don't know what they want - look at this forum. We can't agree on anything.

Which is why I think that "Hollywood" sometimes just plays lip-service to the "the fans" and does what it thinks best. We always forget that at the end of the day, turning out something creatively satisfying is second fiddle to turning out something that makes a lot of money.

I think the TV show angle is probably the way to go with this thing - I really don't think that Neil B's stuff will ever see the light of day-- I didn't think much of Elysium either to be honest (compare with Edge of Tomorrow - the latter was superior in every way). Then again, he's young, new and fresh - let's give him a chance before writing him off!

Yes - TV show. I started watching that Halle Berry thing on Amazon last night and with all these other shows (Shield, Game of Thrones, Walking Dead etc) it seems that the REAL creative action is actually happening on TV these days, where as the "Big" movies have to be safe bets.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: szkoki on Jan 06, 2015, 01:07:02 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 06, 2015, 08:43:25 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 06, 2015, 03:20:38 AMI wouldn't be averse to retconning the third and fourth movies as dreams.

Every time I hear this I'm genuinely stunned anyone would think it's a good, enjoyable idea.

Seriously, it's just ridiculous.
::)
agreed
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Xenorgue on Jan 06, 2015, 03:10:57 PM
I don't understand people who regret the death of Dwayne Hicks. These people tell you that they love Alien 1 for its dark side. But they are going to cry for the death of Hicks.
The death of Hicks reminds to everybody that the universe of alien is cold and cruel.
I love Hicks but his death even more makes me appreciate the saga Alien. Alien is not a stereotypical movie, the kind guy of does not survive necessarily the end of the history. It is not fairy's movie.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 06, 2015, 03:58:24 PM
No it's not. But the way that the two characters were dealt with was as much of a hand wave as "oh, it was all a dream."

"Oh, Hicks is dead."

There's a good write up and some comments here: http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/33505/a-closer-look-at-neill-blomkamps-abandoned-alien-sequel (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/33505/a-closer-look-at-neill-blomkamps-abandoned-alien-sequel)

I can't believe we didn't think of this, but someone says "What if Burke was lying about Amanda Ripley."

Given Burke's track record, that's not an unlikely scenario because he wanted to set himself up as the only person Ripley could rely on, trust and be on her side. That opens the door for Amanda stories without the inconvenience of us knowing she dies.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 06, 2015, 04:16:39 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 06, 2015, 03:58:24 PMBut the way that the two characters were dealt with was as much of a hand wave as "oh, it was all a dream."

It's not even slightly the same. One is very much in keeping with the series - Ripley's daughter was dealt with in exactly the same way, "By the way, she died while you were asleep." It's a believable, and entirely likely scenario given the tone and themes of the series.

The other is an utterly ludicrous, fan-fictiony way of bringing back a character, more suited to kids' comic books where no one ever dies than a serious film series dealing with adult themes.

Quote from: Russ on Jan 06, 2015, 03:58:24 PMI can't believe we didn't think of this, but someone says "What if Burke was lying about Amanda Ripley."

Given Burke's track record, that's not an unlikely scenario because he wanted to set himself up as the only person Ripley could rely on, trust and be on her side. That opens the door for Amanda stories without the inconvenience of us knowing she dies.

Err... Yeah, heard of Alien: Isolation?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: jean.bush.5268 on Jan 06, 2015, 04:31:04 PM
Um, hi guys! I know this can get to be a heated topic, and I dont want to offend anyone by sharing this link I found, but for those of you who are interested in trying to bring back Hicks and Rip, there is this petition that's already collected nearly  800 signatures. I realize that Biehn and Weaver are a lot older, but to me they are irreplaceable. And missed. Yeah, I'm a 'shipper. Everyone is of course entitled to their own opinion, but I just wanted to share this for anyone who might be interested. ;D

http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/20th_Century_Fox_studio_Bring_back_M_Biehn_as_Hicks_and_S_Weaver_as_Ripley_to_the_new_Alien_movie/?cuVyQib (http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/20th_Century_Fox_studio_Bring_back_M_Biehn_as_Hicks_and_S_Weaver_as_Ripley_to_the_new_Alien_movie/?cuVyQib)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: liarfreak on Jan 06, 2015, 05:40:58 PM
I feel that a possible "Alien 5" would be something along the lines of a "sequel-reboot", meaning it would probably ignore the events of "Alien 3" and "Alien Resurrection" and start a new continuation from James Cameron's "Aliens". To me, that would be a logical explanation for Ripley and Hicks to be back in action.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Vrastal on Jan 06, 2015, 07:50:21 PM
this petition is a joke. even IF it got 5k signatures fox isnt going to do a bloody thing about it. Weaver wants to do Ripley 8s story beihn is done with the series. after the colonial marines crap. Alien 3 though was a sucker punch in the beginning, watching the special edition is fairly good film.

Any new story replacing 3 and 4 will just be bad. fox sadly wont touch a true alien film for a while they want to do Prometheus and maybe predator. and Huda is right the nightmare thing is a piss poor fanfic idea.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Vrastal on Jan 06, 2015, 07:55:07 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jan 04, 2015, 09:49:12 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on Jan 04, 2015, 12:46:39 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 03, 2015, 11:58:45 PM
Wow, there's so much negativity on this thread, I'll sign it if just to say I want an Alien movie that isn't a cheap Prometheus rip.

Exactly! This looks cool as hell. Whoever thinks otherwise...I just worry about  :laugh:
That kind of desperation is what got us AVPr!   :laugh:

and some random guy getting thrown into hicks cryotube
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Master on Jan 06, 2015, 07:55:20 PM
Either they go with Ripley 8 sequel or entire new cast, no other possibility exist.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Vrastal on Jan 06, 2015, 08:03:54 PM
Quote from: Master on Jan 06, 2015, 07:55:20 PM
Either they go with Ripley 8 sequel or entire new cast, no other possibility exist.

I wish this were true. but im so scared they will try  some fanfic movie idea.

I love the dog alien i dont want that written out either
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Ultramorph on Jan 06, 2015, 08:14:05 PM
I agree, with how good TV has been the last few years, an Aliens TV series has a lot of potential to be awesome.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Vrastal on Jan 06, 2015, 08:28:15 PM
I would want to see practical effects but that would get very expensive very fast in a tv series. And i wouldnt want the sterotypical tv drama to go with it
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: szkoki on Jan 06, 2015, 11:09:10 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 06, 2015, 03:58:24 PM
No it's not. But the way that the two characters were dealt with was as much of a hand wave as "oh, it was all a dream."

"Oh, Hicks is dead."

There's a good write up and some comments here: http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/33505/a-closer-look-at-neill-blomkamps-abandoned-alien-sequel (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/33505/a-closer-look-at-neill-blomkamps-abandoned-alien-sequel)

I can't believe we didn't think of this, but someone says "What if Burke was lying about Amanda Ripley."

Given Burke's track record, that's not an unlikely scenario because he wanted to set himself up as the only person Ripley could rely on, trust and be on her side. That opens the door for Amanda stories without the inconvenience of us knowing she dies.

well umm...just saying that Ripley's relationship with Clemens is more deeper and got more screentime the one with Hicks. so what are we talking about. the whole movie with all the things Ripley slowly (well really fast) lost is a build up to her sacrafice and its made  effin' well imo
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jan 07, 2015, 02:58:08 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 06, 2015, 08:43:25 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 06, 2015, 03:20:38 AMI wouldn't be averse to retconning the third and fourth movies as dreams.

Every time I hear this I'm genuinely stunned anyone would think it's a good, enjoyable idea.

Seriously, it's just ridiculous.

You might as well say the same about the basic AVP concept: Every attempt at getting it on the screen, so far, has been fairly underwhelming, but there's every reason to believe it could be an exhilerating thrill-ride - if done right.

The same applies here. Like the very first of the AVP comics still stands up today as great, so do the first two original 'Aliens' comics, back when they were about Hicks and a then-adult Newt. They'd need polishing, but the basics were fine.

Also, don't assume it would have to be about Ripley, Hicks and Newt being together. It could simply be any single one of those characters waking up and finding themselves seperated from the Sulaco or other passengers, for whatever reason. There are any number of ways to take it.

I know the new push is to try and make Weyland-Yutani resurrected in a semi-believable fashion, but, eh... The logic used is a little rickety. Having all the USM and magical egg stuff explained away as dreams would, in many ways, feel more satisfying.

But as I say, it would be a gamble. I'm just saying that it could also, potentially, be fantastic. I'm just not sure who I'd trust to do it right, is all. Right now, considering how the third and fourth films turned out (in comparison to the original two), a non-dream sequel has just as much chance of being decent as an it-was-all-a-dream version would.

My own preference would be to continue Ripley 8's life, however, as the Alien DNA angle is very interesting (and I think the fate and status of the seventh clone is still unknown).

Quote from: Russ on Jan 06, 2015, 03:58:24 PM
I can't believe we didn't think of this, but someone says "What if Burke was lying about Amanda Ripley."

Given Burke's track record, that's not an unlikely scenario because he wanted to set himself up as the only person Ripley could rely on, trust and be on her side. That opens the door for Amanda stories without the inconvenience of us knowing she dies.

At that point, he had no reason to, whereas she would have had every reason to read up on whatever existed of records about her daughter's life in private. Amanda was literally her only surviving link to her old pre-nightmare life. Especially since she'd probably be paranoid about trusting a company representative's word, at that point.

Plus, she seemed to be in pretty much I've-wrapped-up-all-my-affairs mode before agreeing to accompany the Marines on their adventure.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 07, 2015, 03:30:23 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 05, 2015, 05:59:05 PM

That said - Aliens did have a happy ending.

If it did, then so did Alien. Putting aside the fact its the same imagery
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its basically the same thing. In the first movie, Ripley survives, its a happy ending for her, she goes home with her kitty after surviving a terrible ordeal. Almost everyone from her ship is dead, aside from the cat.
In Aliens, in the last moment of the film we see 4 survivors heading home - one guy ripped in half, the other one scarred from face to body, unconscious, an orphaned girl and Ripley in a virtually empty ship which was filled with people in the beginning of the movie - all dead, plus all the families in the colony including the childs parents. The only happy thing about it, aside from the survival, is that the characters faced their nightmares thus perished their  trauma

In short, both films end with a shot of the survivor who went through hell but is now happily going home sleeping
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: whiterabbit on Jan 07, 2015, 04:34:42 AM
Alien³ was the movie no one wanted at the time. We wanted rip-hicks kicking ass and not dying unless it was in a glorious way. Not the bitch ass pussy send off he got instead.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 07, 2015, 08:50:44 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 07, 2015, 02:58:08 AMYou might as well say the same about the basic AVP concept: Every attempt at getting it on the screen, so far, has been fairly underwhelming, but there's every reason to believe it could be an exhilerating thrill-ride - if done right.

Two totally different things. True, all on-screen portrayals of AVP so far have sucked, but that doesn't mean the concept doesn't have potential.

The "It was a dream!" argument is just infantile. I mean come on, I was taught how lame that is as a plot device in primary school.

I'm not saying they couldn't have made better sequels. But arbitrarily undoing what we got in such an immature fashion is silly.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 07, 2015, 11:03:11 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 06, 2015, 04:16:39 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 06, 2015, 03:58:24 PMBut the way that the two characters were dealt with was as much of a hand wave as "oh, it was all a dream."

It's not even slightly the same. One is very much in keeping with the series - Ripley's daughter was dealt with in exactly the same way, "By the way, she died while you were asleep." It's a believable, and entirely likely scenario given the tone and themes of the series.

The other is an utterly ludicrous, fan-fictiony way of bringing back a character, more suited to kids' comic books where no one ever dies than a serious film series dealing with adult themes.

Quote from: Russ on Jan 06, 2015, 03:58:24 PMI can't believe we didn't think of this, but someone says "What if Burke was lying about Amanda Ripley."

Given Burke's track record, that's not an unlikely scenario because he wanted to set himself up as the only person Ripley could rely on, trust and be on her side. That opens the door for Amanda stories without the inconvenience of us knowing she dies.

Err... Yeah, heard of Alien: Isolation?

Thanks, HuDa, but really - I don't appreciate your arrogance and your condescension and let's not pretend that your post was anything other than that. It's becoming a trend with you - you should check your ego at the door.

Killing off an established character (characters) in such a way is hand wave. Maybe you missed that class in primary school. I agree, it serves  the plot of Alien3 but that's about all it does.

As for Alien Isolation, as I've stated many, many times, I am not really a gamer, so I've not played it. I don't know how Isolation deals with Amanda's known demise, I was merely saying I like the idea postulated on DoG.

Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 07, 2015, 03:30:23 AM
If it did, then so did Alien. Putting aside the fact its the same imagery
The only happy thing about it, aside from the survival, is that the characters faced their nightmares thus perished their  trauma

In short, both films end with a shot of the survivor who went through hell but is now happily going home sleeping

Which the arc of those characters. Not great for everyone else that bought it, I'll grant you, but I think the key thing in Aliens is "can we dream/yes I think we both can" - as Ripley's nightmares a key motivation for her in that chapter. She's not "sole survivor" in this one (there's even the "sneak" gag at the end). It's a little lighter and for me indicates a happy(happier?) conclusion.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 07, 2015, 02:58:08 AM

At that point, he had no reason to, whereas she would have had every reason to read up on whatever existed of records about her daughter's life in private. Amanda was literally her only surviving link to her old pre-nightmare life. Especially since she'd probably be paranoid about trusting a company representative's word, at that point.

Plus, she seemed to be in pretty much I've-wrapped-up-all-my-affairs mode before agreeing to accompany the Marines on their adventure.

I'm struggling with this - you're right of course, but why was Burke acting like such the nice guy at the front end, being all helpful and caring? He "acts" like he's on her side from the get go, even up to the "you had your chance, Gorman!" bit. whereas we know he's a self-serving sleazebag. I don't know the answer - but, I still like the idea that her demise is unknown to us.

Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: szkoki on Jan 07, 2015, 11:36:27 AM
no matter what, Sigourney is too old for action movies  :-\ and i dont want to see new actor in that role. and Prometheus is the Alien franchise for a few couple years
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: szkoki on Jan 07, 2015, 11:37:10 AM
who would play Ripley and Hicks?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 07, 2015, 11:51:52 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 07, 2015, 11:03:11 AMKilling off an established character (characters) in such a way is hand wave. Maybe you missed that class in primary school. I agree, it serves  the plot of Alien3 but that's about all it does.

I'm not saying Hicks' death wasn't cheap. I specifically said in my previous post they probably could've made a better sequel than what we got. But writing it off now as a bad dream is pretty childish. Especially when they could do so many other things with the franchise without going down that road.

Quote from: Russ on Jan 07, 2015, 11:03:11 AMAs for Alien Isolation, as I've stated many, many times, I am not really a gamer, so I've not played it. I don't know how Isolation deals with Amanda's known demise, I was merely saying I like the idea postulated on DoG.

Fair enough. But either way, just a few months ago there you have one very significant example of a story featuring Amanda Ripley.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 07, 2015, 12:25:58 PM
Given the current trend, probably people from big TV shows - who knew that Emilia Clarke would really resemble a young Sarah Connor.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Kelgaard on Jan 07, 2015, 02:20:08 PM
QuoteBut writing it off now as a bad dream is pretty childish.

How about ignoring it altogether?  ;D
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 07, 2015, 02:26:55 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Jan 07, 2015, 02:20:08 PMHow about ignoring it altogether?  ;D

I'd actually far prefer that!
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 07, 2015, 02:28:58 PM
If Alien 3 was ever retconned that's the direction they'd go. There's no way they'd literally show Ripley waking up and saying "whoa, what a dream."
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Vrastal on Jan 07, 2015, 08:11:33 PM
They should just start a new story arc. as long as its good

Can everyone be happy with new cast, new characters and new setting?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Master on Jan 07, 2015, 09:18:35 PM
I`d be. Like every film in series and don`t need any silly messing arround.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: predxeno on Jan 07, 2015, 09:42:48 PM
If they ever wrote Alien 3 off as a dream then it would include not only A:R but A:CM as well, which I'm sure many fans will like. ;)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jan 07, 2015, 10:13:58 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 07, 2015, 08:50:44 AM
Two totally different things. True, all on-screen portrayals of AVP so far have sucked, but that doesn't mean the concept doesn't have potential.

So does excusing the illogical teleporting egg and mysteriously appearing Nostromo cryotube, as a delusion. What amtters is the story which results from it - and it would at least allow us to preserve Weyland-Yutani and show the original egg chamber was explored. I still don't know why Whedon decided to effectively erase those two elements for the heck of it.

QuoteThe "It was a dream!" argument is just infantile. I mean come on, I was taught how lame that is as a plot device in primary school.

I'm not saying they couldn't have made better sequels. But arbitrarily undoing what we got in such an immature fashion is silly.

Cheaply killing off Hicks/Newt could also be said to be infantile. Their deaths served no purpose which keeping them in stasis (or jettisoned off to an unknown separate location) couldn't have also achieved.

Ultimately, retconning a previous film is essentially a way to rectify bad plot decisions. But as I say, it is a gamble. After so very long, I wouldn't feel comfortable with anyone making such a gamble (and that includes Cameron, because his movies after 'The Abyss' feel like they're helmed by a completely different creative visionary).

Quote from: Russ on Jan 07, 2015, 11:03:11 AM
I'm struggling with this - you're right of course, but why was Burke acting like such the nice guy at the front end, being all helpful and caring? He "acts" like he's on her side from the get go, even up to the "you had your chance, Gorman!" bit. whereas we know he's a self-serving sleazebag. I don't know the answer - but, I still like the idea that her demise is unknown to us.

Yeah, but that's just it. He's self-serving. He doesn't have some kind of giant, over-arcing plan. He was being opportunistic. Even if he was lying about Amanda, it would've been a stupid move to pull, because Ellen could have - and would have - looked up information by herself from third-party sources.

Sure, another story could start out that way, but it doesn't strike me as in character for her not to have bothered to do that. Right after 'Alien', she was at her most paranoid about the company's intentions. In fact, it's probably that very motivation which caused her to double-check everything to the hilt and discover Burke sent the transmission for the colonists to investigate.

Also, look at it logically: If you're saying his motivation to lie about Amanda having adventures with Aliens, was to gain Ripley's trust, he in no way achieves that goal. She's constantly sceptical about anything the company says/does and apparently isn't even an employee anymore. He has to dangle employment as a lure to get her to go on the mission. Until she does, it looks like she's a free agent.

Quote from: szkoki on Jan 07, 2015, 11:36:27 AM
no matter what, Sigourney is too old for action movies  :-\ and i dont want to see new actor in that role. and Prometheus is the Alien franchise for a few couple years

I disagree. She was fine in 'Cabin in The Woods' and the following year's 'Vamps'. Not to mention 'Avatar' - and she's apparently signed up for future sequels to that.

What's the most athletic stuff Ripley's done, anyway? Run a bit fast and shot some guns? :)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Vrastal on Jan 07, 2015, 11:05:57 PM
Though in the long run i doubt they would retcon 3 or 4.  I hope they would have the sense to just start a new story.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 07, 2015, 11:10:52 PM
Retconned crap.. Retconned crap.. Retconned crap.  The franchise has been retconned a bit too much and I just can't help but feel a little resentment towards it right now, especially since Prometheus came to the picture and I liked the movie at first.  >:(

Stand alone movies that don't have links to the previous movies would do just fine.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Visceral_Mass on Jan 07, 2015, 11:49:51 PM
Quote from: Nazrel on Jan 07, 2015, 08:11:33 PM
They should just start a new story arc. as long as its good

Can everyone be happy with new cast, new characters and new setting?

I'd prefer a reboot instead of them giving the franchise the TOHO Godzilla treatment.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 07, 2015, 11:54:31 PM
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 07, 2015, 11:49:51 PM
I'd prefer a reboot instead of them giving the franchise the TOHO Godzilla treatment.

You mean you DON'T like the idea of having two main different continuities/timelines which Toho has done for Godzilla, where neither canon is negated for Alien?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Visceral_Mass on Jan 08, 2015, 12:09:53 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 07, 2015, 11:54:31 PM
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 07, 2015, 11:49:51 PM
I'd prefer a reboot instead of them giving the franchise the TOHO Godzilla treatment.

You mean you DON'T like the idea of having two main different continuities/timelines which Toho has done for Godzilla, where neither canon is negated for Alien?

LOL, you think there is only two?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 08, 2015, 12:12:46 AM
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 08, 2015, 12:09:53 AM
LOL, you think there is only two?

Actually, there are maybe seven or eight Godzilla timelines but what's wrong with Alien having multiple timelines/alternate universes that don't interact with each other as well?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Visceral_Mass on Jan 08, 2015, 12:40:32 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 08, 2015, 12:12:46 AM
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 08, 2015, 12:09:53 AM
LOL, you think there is only two?

Actually, there are maybe seven or eight Godzilla timelines but what's wrong with Alien having multiple timelines/alternate universes that don't interact with each other as well?

It starts to dilute the franchise.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 08, 2015, 12:45:54 AM
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 08, 2015, 12:40:32 AM
It starts to dilute the franchise.

I disagree, it just means more options for fans to choose from. If they don't like how a storyline progressed in one timeline, they have the option of following another. If you ask me, multiple timelines/alternate universes (as long as they don't) intersect with each other is the best thing the franchise could have.

Then again, your reboot proposal already does that in a sense. Shit, Robocop now has FOUR timelines because of the reboot (I'm counting the TV series and TV movies, and Animated series). The Nightmare on Elm Street series has three timelines, the original, New Nightmare, and the reboot. Halloween has three timelines, Halloween to Halloween 6, and Halloween to Resurrection and then Rob Zombie's reboot.

And hell, if you want to get technical.. we already have two timelines with AVP and Prometheus.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Visceral_Mass on Jan 08, 2015, 01:02:26 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 08, 2015, 12:45:54 AM
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 08, 2015, 12:40:32 AM
It starts to dilute the franchise.

I disagree, it just means more options for fans to choose from. If they don't like how a storyline progressed in one timeline, they have the option of following another. If you ask me, multiple timelines/alternate universes (as long as they don't) intersect with each other is the best thing the franchise could have.

Then again, your reboot proposal already does that in a sense. Shit, Robocop now has FOUR timelines because of the reboot (I'm counting the TV series and TV movies, and Animated series). The Nightmare on Elm Street series has three timelines, the original, New Nightmare, and the reboot. Halloween has three timelines, Halloween to Halloween 6, and Halloween to Resurrection and then Rob Zombie's reboot.

And hell, if you want to get technical.. we already have two timelines with AVP and Prometheus.

More options isn't always a good thing, you may win over some fans with one version only to lose some with a different version. That is what I mean by dilution. A company can't keep all "lines" going. Why do you think Marvel's movie business is so strong? I bet one of the reasons is the story synergy between the movies.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Vrastal on Jan 08, 2015, 01:07:13 AM
same universe new story, new people, new place.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 08, 2015, 01:20:03 AM
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 08, 2015, 01:02:26 AM
More options isn't always a good thing, you may win over some fans with one version only to lose some with a different version.

And I don't agree that only one version is a good thing either, especially if it is constantly being retconned. If you have one thing, you may end up losing more fans from the franchise entirely than them going to another version.

Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 08, 2015, 01:02:26 AM
A company can't keep all "lines" going.

And they don't have to.

But those alternate timelines/alternate universes can exist. I mean take Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the lore establishes there are alternate timelines/universes. The original source, the Mirage comics have stopped since Mirage Studios went defunct but it's still existing as far as the alternates are concerned. Most of the universes in that franchise stopped, but they are still active within the lore.

Same goes for Robocop.. The alternate timelines still exist, and while they aren't exactly finished or on-going, they exist within the multiverse/multi-timeline scope of things. They aren't retconned, they aren't erased from the lore. Same applies for Godzilla's Showa, Heisei and Millennium timelines.

Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 08, 2015, 01:02:26 AM
Why do you think Marvel's movie business is so strong? I bet one of the reasons is the story synergy between the movies.

Marvel is going strong because it has such a strong following and the movies don't take themselves seriously. Also, considering that they are being supervised by Marvel themselves to ensure that they don't deviate from the original source material, and like have continuity checkers, is a main reason why they are strong. But the Marvel cinematic universe isn't exclusive to the Marvel Studios movies..

You still have the Spider-Man and X-Men movies.. they are cinematic universe but are not officially a part of the Marvel Studios cinematic universe lore due to licensing issues. Sure they are trying to get them in their films, but when that happens.. don't expect Andrew Garfield or Hugh Jackman or their movies continuities to be part of the lore and continuity of Marvel Studios' films.

Quote from: Nazrel on Jan 08, 2015, 01:07:13 AM
same universe new story, new people, new place.

Stand alone movies also work.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Visceral_Mass on Jan 08, 2015, 01:51:33 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 08, 2015, 01:20:03 AM
Stand alone movies also work.

The problem I have with the idea of standalone movies is the same problem I started having with the Dark Horse comic series. They became nothing more than how many different situations can we throw the xenomorph into? They started feeling boring and watered down and I am sure I wasn't the only one to feel this way since Dark Horse stopped making them as much as they use to at the time.

There needs to be something more to the films, something holding them together, and drawing us in, beside the creature, I bet Dark Horse knows this and that is why we got the connected story arc over the current Aliens and Predator comics.

Whatever they do, retcon/reboot/move forward, Fox needs to weave a compelling story over several movies instead of giving us a series of connected "one-shots". That is the only way I can see the franchise turning itself around again.

I'm anxiously awaiting news on the Predator 4 movie we are getting and hoping it is a reboot of the series.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 08, 2015, 02:02:42 AM
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 08, 2015, 01:51:33 AM
There needs to be something more to the films, something holding them together, and drawing us in, beside the creature, I bet Dark Horse knows this and that is why we got the connected story arc over the current Aliens and Predator comics.

I have.. some issues with the new comics which are being put out. Namely considering the idea that they more or less had essentially New 52'ed everything.. or perhaps more aptly put.. did what Disney did with the Star Wars EU. Also.. Now that the focus is Prometheus.. I don't like that they're trying to mix Predator and Prometheus. Two different things. It's not the AvP which I feel is the true AvP-- which was the core of the AvP franchise since the old comics started it all. But we're not talking about the comics.. we're talking about the movies.

Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 08, 2015, 01:51:33 AM
I'm anxiously awaiting news on the Predator 4 movie we are getting and hoping it is a reboot of the series.

As long as it ignores PREDATORS, and doesn't inject something stupid on it's own, I'll be fine with it. I am cautiously optimistic.. After all, Shane is involved and so is Fred Dekker, who did Night of the Creeps and Monster Squad, movies I love.. though Dekker is what has me cautious since he did Robocop 3, which killed his directing career.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jan 08, 2015, 03:01:15 AM
Fox hasn't even been able to keep together the continuity it already has. I don't see them doing much better with several.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: RakaiThwei on Jan 08, 2015, 04:24:38 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 08, 2015, 03:01:15 AM
Fox hasn't even been able to keep together the continuity it already has.

I am more of a Predator fan but the recent retcons they've done for both franchise, and most notable Alien have somewhat pushed me away from the franchise. I suppose that's why I feel the resentment towards Fox and the choices they've made. More retcons would just push me away further and feel more resentment. I'm afraid I'll just stop enjoying something I was passionate about.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 08, 2015, 08:37:36 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 07, 2015, 10:13:58 PMCheaply killing off Hicks/Newt could also be said to be infantile. Their deaths served no purpose which keeping them in stasis (or jettisoned off to an unknown separate location) couldn't have also achieved.

It absolutely served a purpose. The entire point of Alien 3 was Ripley losing everything, yet again, to the Alien. If they were still alive somewhere that would totally negate that point.

As I said, you can love or hate the decision, but it was an integral part of what the third film was trying to do.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 08, 2015, 09:48:36 AM
I think that we (the forum we) tend to look on Alien3 much more kindly because I would guess that most of us have seen the superior Assembly Cut.

Alien3 was really poorly received - Fincher has disowned it: even he hated the film (studio interference, getting told what to do, etc). But ultimately, the theatrical cut was - by and large - regarded as a bag of shit. Even if it made money (as we said before - have someone pissing against a wall and put "Alien" in the title and you've just made 30 million).

From the drawings, it's pretty clear that Blomkamp was going to retcon the franchise.

It's a strange one though - we discussed the "happy ending" earlier: does a happy ending work for Alien(s). Well, by and large (in my view, but that's purely subjective), but my thought is that ultimately, Ripley and Hick's fate may well be sealed (if the suicide bomb vest is anything to go by). So almost certainly Ripley and probably Hicks are marked to to die. If that's the case (and it may well not be, I'm just postulating based on the drawings), then why bother with a retcon at all?

I think simply because the way that the two characters were hand-waved out of Alien3 (to serve the plot) was pretty poorly handled. We get that the point of the film was to have the Alien take everything away - understood. However, it was a bad way of handling it after the success of Aliens - it just wasn't the way to go.

It's a bit like the next Superman film opening with him standing at Lois Lane's grave and Perry White saying "That plane crash was just awful." Yes, it opens the door for a Superman / Wonder Woman romance if that's what they wanted to do, but I'm not convinced that anyone would be satisfied by that - even if it served the plot. I'm just making that up to illustrate a point, by the way.

I can't honestly believe that anyone who went into the cinema having seen Alien3 came out thinking "that was the film I really wanted to see." Whatever its merits and flaws, it was not what the franchise needed at that time. I was so hyped for it (we saw Aliens every week in the Curzon - we were so regular they gave us all the merch when the run finally ended - standees, 10x8s, everything) and I came away reeling not quite sure what I'd seen. Only that I was underwhelmed.

The issue comes with "Ripley's Nightmare" or just ignoring the events of the last two movies (a la Superman Returns). "Ripely's Nightmare" isn't as daft as all that after what we saw in Prometheus... dreams are a big part of Hypersleep it would seem. All it would take would be scientists standing over the cryotube with grainy images of the past two movies flashing on the screen as in the dream sequence in Ridders movie. We think its silly - but, given what happened in Prometheus, "Ripley's Nightmare" is actually keeping with the "science" of the movies.

Clearly, these drawings were done before all that - but now it actually works better as an explanation than having to serve it up and justify it in a retcon - as the device has been used before.

It's frustrating - I guess we'll never know what he intended to do - what the retcon method would be. I just don't think the events of A3 and A:R could be ignored like Superman III and IV - they'd have to do something with it. But "what?" remains the unanswered question.

Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 08, 2015, 09:50:59 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 08, 2015, 09:48:36 AMAlien3 was really poorly received

...in America. It did quite well in Europe.

Quote from: Russ on Jan 08, 2015, 09:48:36 AM"Ripely's Nightmare" isn't as daft as all that after what we saw in Prometheus... dreams are a big part of Hypersleep it would seem.

It is daft, because it's a really cheap way of undoing a problem that could be left well alone. It's not like they need to bring Hicks back to make more Alien movies. Or as I said, just ignoring it would be preferable to such a cheesy plot device.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 08, 2015, 12:30:50 PM
Sure, but that's not the point of the thread - its discussing Blomkamp's ideas, right? Clearly, he wanted to retcon it. For me the question is "how?" What was his idea? For me - especially now, given the Prometheus thing, the "Nightmare" scenario is plausible in that universe.

When you Alien3 did well in Europe, are you talking box-office or critical/fan acclaim. If the former, that's not relevant, if the latter, I'd be hugely surprised if the theatrical cut was widely hailed as a brilliant movie, but I stand to be corrected on that.

To be clear - no, they don't need to bring Hicks back, but these drawings clearly indicate that was Blomkamp's plan. For me, as I've said, hand waving the character in the way that they did is as bad the "nightmare" scenario. Worse, in fact - I think my example of Superman above works for this. If the "nightmare" is cheap, "...and then they all died" is even cheaper.

Essentially, Alien3 (Assembly) is a good movie. It was just the wrong movie - even if I've never really understood how the facehugger got on the Sullaco in the first place. It's been discussed to death on here, of course, but we're postulating reasons. Indeed, the facehugger was a deus ex, come to think of it - in terms of the script, I mean. In the film, Ripley destroys the egg chamber, the queen rips her egg sac off... how come there's a facehugger crawling around?

but that's wildly off topic.

As I say - good movie but the wrong one for the franchise at the time. I would guess that is the feelings of the majority of fans, if not all of them.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 08, 2015, 12:37:34 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 08, 2015, 12:30:50 PMWhen you Alien3 did well in Europe, are you talking box-office or critical/fan acclaim. If the former, that's not relevant, if the latter, I'd be hugely surprised if the theatrical cut was widely hailed as a brilliant movie, but I stand to be corrected on that.

I never claimed people in Europe hailed it as a brilliant movie, just that it was far more accepted than it was in the States.

Quote from: Russ on Jan 08, 2015, 12:30:50 PMTo be clear - no, they don't need to bring Hicks back, but these drawings clearly indicate that was Blomkamp's plan. For me, as I've said, hand waving the character in the way that they did is as bad the "nightmare" scenario. Worse, in fact - I think my example of Superman above works for this. If the "nightmare" is cheap, "...and then they all died" is even cheaper.

"...And then they all died" might be cheap, but it's at least believable and in keeping with the generally dark tone of the franchise. The dream idea neither of those things.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 08, 2015, 12:54:44 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 08, 2015, 12:37:34 PM

"...And then they all died" might be cheap, but it's at least believable and in keeping with the generally dark tone of the franchise. The dream idea neither of those things.

I can't agree with that. Especially now, after Prometheus. And for it to be believable, we have also believe that a facehugger miraculously got onto the ship in the first place. As I've said again and again - yes it works in terms of tone, but that's about all it does. The story was flawed from the get go - to address it (as was Blomkamp's intent) you have to retcon it.

Addressing it is the issue: I wonder if they would (and if they did, I can't think of a better way to explain it) or if they would adopt the Superman Returns approach and go public with "3 and 4 were shit. They didn't didn't happen" in the media before hand.

But its a moot point - the 'verse is as it is thanks to a square-peg threequel and a "hilarious black comedy" fourquel: these ideas of his will not see the light of day, unfortunately.

But something will turn up, I'm sure. It's still franchise gold if they can get it right.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: SiL on Jan 08, 2015, 12:56:32 PM
All you have to address to "fix" it is how the egg got where it got. That there's a hugger on the ship isn't even a problem. The egg is.

"What we see in the opening of Alien3 is partially a fever dream of Ripley's". No need to re-write the movie for literally one seconds-long shot that makes problems.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 08, 2015, 01:04:34 PM
I'm sorry, SiL - I genuinely don't understand what you're getting at here.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: ChrisPachi on Jan 08, 2015, 02:39:49 PM
Eggs don't have legs.

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Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2015, 03:10:55 PM
Just cut that clip of the egg, insert some footage of a face-hugger crawling over the Queen instead and boom done. Let's send Charles a message to fix that for the next holographic edition of the films.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 08, 2015, 07:10:42 PM
We wouldn't even need additional footage of the facehugger.  The audience is smart enough to assume that it hitched a ride on the sly.

An egg, on the other hand, requires far more rationalization than that.

Quote from: Russ on Jan 08, 2015, 12:54:44 PMAddressing it is the issue: I wonder if they would (and if they did, I can't think of a better way to explain it) or if they would adopt the Superman Returns approach and go public with "3 and 4 were shit. They didn't didn't happen" in the media before hand.

The ultimate "f**k you" to 3 and 4 would be a what you just described, but directed by David Fincher (who now has enough industry cred to do it his way).
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Vrastal on Jan 08, 2015, 08:04:39 PM
A few possible explinations i can see for the egg showing up is.

A warrior came on board some how (least likely)

Bishop brought it on board

Someone else was on the ship the entire time (most likely android). and brought an egg.

or Weyland yutani found an egg brought ti to the ship put it up and left it (also extremely unlikely if not impossible)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Quarax on Jan 08, 2015, 10:10:52 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2015, 03:10:55 PM
Just cut that clip of the egg, insert some footage of a face-hugger crawling over the Queen instead and boom done. Let's send Charles a message to fix that for the next holographic edition of the films.

The Queen that was ejected into space? :)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jan 08, 2015, 11:43:22 PM
Hmm. Maybe we need a clarification: standard alien eggs need to gestate inside that egg-sac for a while, but the queen can drop super-facehugger eggs at the drop of a hat in times of distress or desperation.

Naw, that sucks.  :D
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 09, 2015, 01:00:18 AM
I always thought Mary Louise-Parker would make an excellent Ripley.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Kelgaard on Jan 09, 2015, 06:16:37 AM
What if they cut the Sulaco scenes altogether?  Just open with Clemens walking on the beach and finding Ripley.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 09, 2015, 06:54:53 AM
Right. Got it. *Duh*

But this fixes the "miraculous" facehugger of A3, but it doesn't help Blomkamp's retcon. I brought up the facehugger because HuDa postulates that "Ripley's Nightmare" is daft. It probably is, but A3 relies on the facehugger and handwaves Hicks away ("oh, and everyone's dead, by the way") which is equally not satisfying.

"Ripley's Nightmare" is the only way I can think they would have explained things - unless, as I say above, they came out did a "Superman Returns" - which, in this universe, I can't see happening. But again, it'll probably never see the light of day.

That said, there's still stuff popping up on my facebook feed about it.

Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 09, 2015, 06:59:30 AM
She looks the part, but was born in 1964 - so there's not much longevity there. Which, whilst utterly reprehensible and disgusting is the reality.

I was at a meeting once and suggested an actress for a role and nearly fell off my chair when the producer said that she was "too old." She was a fairly big name too and only 38. I say only, but the film business is definitely ageist. I should add at this stage that I'm not a casting agent or anything like that, I say it only to illustrate the point!
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2015, 08:39:08 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 09, 2015, 06:54:53 AMI brought up the facehugger because HuDa postulates that "Ripley's Nightmare" is daft. It probably is, but A3 relies on the facehugger and handwaves Hicks away ("oh, and everyone's dead, by the way") which is equally not satisfying.

A lack of explanation for the Facehugger is just lax scriptwriting. The dream idea is actively silly.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 09, 2015, 09:16:02 AM
Quote from: Quarax on Jan 08, 2015, 10:10:52 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2015, 03:10:55 PM
Just cut that clip of the egg, insert some footage of a face-hugger crawling over the Queen instead and boom done. Let's send Charles a message to fix that for the next holographic edition of the films.

The Queen that was ejected into space? :)

Don't be like that. It's obvious I meant it came up at the end of Aliens. But if you want to be that obvious, then just have a shot of it moving away with Ripley in the Loader and the Queen going out it in the unfocused background. If I remember rightly anyway, isn't the sound of a face-hugger in the credits for Aliens anyway.


Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2015, 08:39:08 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 09, 2015, 06:54:53 AMI brought up the facehugger because HuDa postulates that "Ripley's Nightmare" is daft. It probably is, but A3 relies on the facehugger and handwaves Hicks away ("oh, and everyone's dead, by the way") which is equally not satisfying.

A lack of explanation for the Facehugger is just lax scriptwriting. The dream idea is actively silly.

Whilst I would hate to see it - it is slightly more within the realms of "real" for the universe following Prometheus. And the idea of dreams in hyperspace has been a thing since the Alien novelization. ADF talked about it being a profession, where people's dreams would be recorded for entertainment. So it wouldn't be too outrageous.

But I'd hate it as it would incredibly cheapen Alien 3. And as terrible as AR was, the Ripley 8 character has the potential to be utterly fascinating if they explore her Alien connection.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 09, 2015, 09:45:02 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 09, 2015, 09:16:02 AM

But I'd hate it as it would incredibly cheapen Alien 3.

But the point of it ultimately is to say that "there is no Alien3", so in that regard I think it works - and my guess is that Blomkamp thought so too, given the stuff you say about ADF (it's been years since I read those books). I recall also that visions and dreams were a big part of the very first Aliens comic -- where Hicks is a pariah and Newt is a nutter.

Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2015, 10:04:20 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 09, 2015, 09:16:02 AMIf I remember rightly anyway, isn't the sound of a face-hugger in the credits for Aliens anyway.

There is, although Cameron has himself said he never intended anything by it other than a bit of fun. But it would tie up quite nicely!

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 09, 2015, 09:16:02 AMBut I'd hate it as it would incredibly cheapen Alien 3. And as terrible as AR was, the Ripley 8 character has the potential to be utterly fascinating if they explore her Alien connection.

Same. For all its faults, the ending of Alien 3, with Ripley's death, was absolutely fantastic. I'd hate to see such a pivotal scene arbitrarily undone. And I totally agree about Ripley 8. It's a shame she had such a muddled film as a starting block.

Anyway, how could it all be a dream? You never dream about your own death :P
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 09, 2015, 10:28:21 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2015, 10:04:20 AM
For all its faults

And this is what the retcon would try to address. It's a good but flawed movie, a square peg in a round hole - not the film the franchise needed at the time. I'd agree, it had the ending the franchise needed, but the delivery was utterly botched from facehuggers, eggs and handwaves.

I wonder if NB had it mind to kill them off anyway - but in a more satisfying way. That's the question. That and how he would attempt to retcon in the first place.

I guess we'll never know.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2015, 10:30:39 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 09, 2015, 10:28:21 AMAnd this is what the retcon would try to address.

No it wouldn't. By retconning it you aren't addressing anything, merely undoing it. A remake might address it, but not a retcon. And I don't think either is a good idea.

Besides, I don't see the death of Hicks and Newt as a fault. Maybe it wasn't done in the best possible way, but the plot point is solid.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 09, 2015, 10:39:44 AM
No, I get that you don't.

But the point of the thread that Blomkamp clearly did.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2015, 10:49:01 AM
Surely the point of the thread is to discuss how we feel about it?
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 09, 2015, 12:12:54 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2015, 10:30:39 AM
Besides, I don't see the death of Hicks and Newt as a fault. Maybe it wasn't done in the best possible way, but the plot point is solid.

Indeed. It was certainly an integral part of the story and in my eyes, it was done without giving the characters a big grand exit because it wasn't their story. And I think the funeral scene is the best in the series, personally.

The problem is they'll never please everyone. I love Hicks - he's my namesake - and plenty of people love Hicks. But that fan desire is what gave us the wonderful Colonial Marines. I think I groaned more during A:CM and Hicks' revival than during the entire AvPR movie.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: SiL on Jan 09, 2015, 02:07:30 PM
Hicks being killed isn't a handwave either. Hicks saying "that's a longer story" or some shit to explain his re-appearance in A:CM is a hand wave because they do nothing to explain it (until the DLC) and basically tell the audience to shut up and go with it. Alien3's pretty blunt about why he's not there; he's f**king dead.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 09, 2015, 02:26:07 PM
"And they all died" is a hand wave. Like I said, if the new Superman movie opened with Clark, Perry and co standing a by a grave that read "RIP Lois Lane" because it served the plot (for say a Wonder Woman romance), that wouldn't be acceptable. In the same way, offing Hicks character was poorly done. Shit, even GI Joe II handled it better than Alien3.

I don't want to get into semantics about what your version of a handwave is or isn't, but "and they all died" for me is on the same level as "it was all a dream". But we've been through that a number of times already.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 09, 2015, 02:26:07 PMLike I said, if the new Superman movie opened with Clark, Perry and co standing a by a grave that read "RIP Lois Lane" because it served the plot (for say a Wonder Woman romance), that wouldn't be acceptable.

But that's not really a comparable example. Alien 3 doesn't start with them already dead and buried, their passing is the major plot point for the first half hour of the movie. True they may physically die straight away, but it's not like the whole thing is wrapped up in that single scene. We see Ripley learning of it, saying goodbye (to Newt at least), the funeral...

Your labelling it a hand-wave makes it sound like it isn't an integral part of the movie, but it is.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 09, 2015, 03:49:10 PM
OK, so we are getting into the semantics of a hand wave. Look, I think I've laid out my thoughts on this: it was poorly done. If Alien3 was a flawless movie, there would be no discussion to had. If it was a seen as a worthy sequel, there would be no need for recuts.

I think the Assembly cut is a fine film, but as I've said (over and over and over and over and over again), its a square peg in a round hole and was not a satisfying follow on from the previous movie. It's not a question of whether those characters live or die (as I said above a few times) its how it was handled. Many people think it was not well done - Blomkamp included.

Anyway, I think I'm almost talked on this one.

Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2015, 03:54:57 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 09, 2015, 03:49:10 PMIf Alien3 was a flawless movie, there would be no discussion to had.

I'm fairly sure even if there weren't plot holes surrounding Hicks' death, plenty of Aliens fanboys would be up in arms because they killed him off and they dared not to make Aliens 2.0.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: NetworkATTH on Jan 09, 2015, 06:53:01 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 09, 2015, 02:26:07 PM
"And they all died" is a hand wave. Like I said, if the new Superman movie opened with Clark, Perry and co standing a by a grave that read "RIP Lois Lane" because it served the plot (for say a Wonder Woman romance), that wouldn't be acceptable. In the same way, offing Hicks character was poorly done. Shit, even GI Joe II handled it better than Alien3.

I don't want to get into semantics about what your version of a handwave is or isn't, but "and they all died" for me is on the same level as "it was all a dream". But we've been through that a number of times already.

Sorry to start my posting on a negative note, but in what planet can you compare Superman and Alien tho. That doesn't make any sense, for a number of reasons.

This is more of a narrative driven conclusion based on the nature of the series. In Aliens, the sudden reduction of the on screen cast (killing off most of the marines) was a clear plot decision made on the point of James Cameron to remove the majority cast to put pressure on Ripley in a dangerous situation she has to come up with a solution for, the outcome if she doesn't for the audience means more characters might die, there is unpredictability and hazard if you remove characters you expected to stay. In Cameron's own words, this is Ripley's journey, and the more characters around her the more the focus drifts, or you cannot develop the characters in satisfactory manner parallel with Ripley, which also is counter to the point of Alien, which is remote isolated terror.

The choice to remove Hicks and Newt worked IMO, because of the dynamics just pointed out Cameron wanted. This is only more so with Newt and Hicks. Their deaths have to be sudden and tragic or else the plot has the potential to get corny/muddled quick; the danger to misstep the two characters and make the movie worse than what you think Alien 3 was was possible.

Also in the dark oligarch capitalist industrial culture of the future that is the world of Alien, what makes you think this would be an appropriate setting for a little girl. If they kill the aliens, what exactly does Newt hope to achieve in her life within the probably crushing socio-economic conditions. You also have the problem they've seen to much and if they come out with their stories, Weyland-Yutani would probably drown them in a massive legal battle because of some non-disclosure agreement they signed. But worst of all, if survived, lets say, happy ending, what exactly is the future of Newt going to look like. Education is probably private, her family is dead, she probably has severe ptsd and will develop dissociative traits and live unhappily. Keeping them alive and happy and well ready for the big screen, isn't appropriate tonally to the previous two movies, there is no development to suggest this would happen, and it would be sadistic to demand the characters go through more and more pain with each subsequent film. Alien 3 understands this, pretty well, and the obvious decision was made for the plot and the setting to remove hicks and newt so Ripley can focus her thematic power on getting rid of the Alien once and for all. A lot of the anger at the idea fails to question what would happen if they lived to survive in this world that is clearly not best suited to people with post traumatic stress, in the world of Weyland-Yutani if you cannot sign to provide every bead of sweat you'll make in your future it doesn't seem like the rest of society will miss you much, poverty associated with lack of mental health care seem likely. Worse, if we look at the world of Alien, Weyland-Yutani will never be accountable for what they did, they pretty much are the Government at that point not too different from the relationship between Britain and the East India Company a few centuries back, even if they were held accountable and got what they deserved the system is set up if that happens more people will suffer because of the infrastructure they provide. This is why anti-trust laws exist, but apparently anti-trust laws are gone in the future, which would make matters worse in the future than it previously did without them.

There is literally, nothing in the Alien series that would be logical and also tonally fit within the narrative and its subtext set up in Alien. All things considered if Newt and Hicks survived they would probably be f**ked.

It's a number of reasons limiting in what can be done for these characters, and tonally it fits to have them killed off and have those questions be asked. It makes it more interesting and dynamic than it would, the vague world building of the William Gibson script.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Vrastal on Jan 09, 2015, 07:04:24 PM
does anyone really want a repeat of aliens cm in movie form? i mean the hicks part. that is essentially what "its all a dream would do".

Hicks, ripley and newt are dead. they've been dead for 23ish years or hundreds by resurrection timeline.

reconnign would probably do more harm than good. even to satisfy the fanfic
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 09, 2015, 07:07:54 PM
Again, if they ever decided to bring Hicks back (which they probably never will), I'm almost completely sure that they wouldn't say it was a dream" in the film. They'd just move on from Aliens like the other films never happened.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Vrastal on Jan 09, 2015, 07:26:09 PM
Or they would continue after Aliens cm. and hicks gets his own story now. like beihn would ever come back
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 09, 2015, 09:55:32 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Jan 07, 2015, 11:37:10 AM
who would play Ripley and Hicks?

I think Sharlto Copley should play Turk. He's the only one who could pull it off.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 09, 2015, 10:44:58 PM
Turk is too complex a character for Copley.  Daniel Day-Lewis or don't even bother.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 10, 2015, 05:55:32 AM
I don't think enough people have played (or liked, or cared about) A:CM for it to have anything to do with any upcoming film.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Kelgaard on Jan 10, 2015, 06:55:23 AM
I doubt that even the biggest Hicks fans want a film version of ACM.  Everyone knows that's a bad example so stop bringing it up, people. :P
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: SiL on Jan 10, 2015, 08:39:38 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 09, 2015, 02:26:07 PM
Like I said, if the new Superman movie opened with Clark, Perry and co standing a by a grave that read "RIP Lois Lane" because it served the plot (for say a Wonder Woman romance), that wouldn't be acceptable.
Right. But Alien3 doesn't do anything like that. It's the equivalent of opening with Superman being busy doing something else while Lois died. Later, there's a funeral.

People can hate it all they want, it's still not a handwave or a cop out or any of a dozen other descriptions. A character is shown dying. Don't like it? Good, because you're not meant to.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 10, 2015, 06:46:56 PM
While Neumann's eloquent prose and heartfelt, in-depth characterizations would certainly warrant a multi Academy Award™ winning Shakespearean method actor, I feel that too many of the niceties and subtleties would be lost on the typical Aliens fanboi who just wants Xeno's & Pulse rifles in their Alien flick.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 10, 2015, 07:19:44 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 10, 2015, 08:39:38 AM
People can hate it all they want, it's still not a handwave or a cop out or any of a dozen other descriptions. A character is shown dying. Don't like it? Good, because you're not meant to.

I don't hate it - I say above, I think they were marked to die anyway. That's all good, it's how you deal with established characters is the point. That's the handwave/cop-out part. "Ahh, f**k it, we'll kill 'em off in the first reel, it'll resonate." Well, yes it does, but for all the wrong reasons.

It's not about "bringing Hicks back" -- But snuffing him out essentially off camera doesn't work well - and clearly, I'm not the only person that thinks that. Though I seem to be on this thread, it must be noted.

As I've said above -- Alien3 (Assembly) is a good movie, but in terms of the franchise, it was not the right call in terms of what had been established previously. Tonally, the deaths work for that movie, but it was the wrong movie (especially if we go on the theatrical cut!) - a square peg in the round hole of Aliens. But - standing alone without the events of Aliens, then Alien3 is as bleak and as fitting as it gets.

You know, I've just thought as I write this, I think what may stick in people's craw is the double deus ex. It's not just Hicks, its (for some the very irritating) Newt as well. Clearly, they're inconvenient for the plot of Alien3 (I still maintain, whoever on here came up with AL III EN is a hero in my eyes - its so much better) so they're just done away with, handwaved or whatever you want to call it.

That's the point. As you say, you're not supposed to like it when a character dies: you know as well as anyone, film is supposed to illicit emotion. A major character dies, we're supposed to feel sad, angry or both. We've invested in these characters, we want to be satisfied and have some emotion. The way Alien3 dealt with those those characters in a way breaks the fourth wall... you're not upset for the character, you're upset with the film.

All that said, in the final analysis, it is what it is and they made those decisions for whatever reasons. I don't know why they opted not to bring Michael Biehn back - I guess you (SiL) would know more about the production background to that I would. If it wasn't behind the scenes stuff (read: money and egos), then in terms of story for me it was a bad choice. Again, as I type, for me it's about lack of closure.

Yes. I think I have nailed it for myself and got to the heart of the matter (as far as I'm concerned, for me personally - doesn't have to apply to anyone else). It's like therapy in here - there is no closure for that character, his death is just mentioned and that's not good writing. As I say, the truth may be that it was all about off-screen stuff (in which case they had no choice).

Quote from: NetworkATTH on Jan 09, 2015, 06:53:01 PM

Sorry to start my posting on a negative note, but in what planet can you compare Superman and Alien tho.

On planet "illustrating a point about killing a major character off screen in a sequel to serve the plot."

Hicks had an arc in Aliens (from "just a grunt" to "Hicks is in command now" - which even Gorman accepts in the end). He was a protagonist (not "the" protagonist of course). It's bad form to kill them off screen without so much as by-your-leave. As I say, even GI Joe showed that, man... we had closure on Channing Tatum *lol*.

As for you words on the what kind of future there would be for Newt, I think in "A.N.Other" version, it would have taken place in the future with a grown Newt (if she was even going to be in it at all). But you're right, in whatever future, both of them would have been f**ked - if not initially, then certainly after the third movie that never was.

Again, as I type, maybe setting the story directly after Aliens caused problems? Though, I'll admit, kicking off another adventure that DIDN'T happen directly after ALSO has problems. The very first comic handled Hicks and Newt very well (and plays into your oligarchy stuff as well) but a machine gut toting Ripley was not as well done, I thought.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jan 11, 2015, 03:36:33 PM
Was 'Turk' that rasslin'-watchin', monster truck-drivin' bozo with the beard? I'm NOT playing the game again to find out.  :P
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2015, 06:19:06 PM
Turk was unfortunate bandaged fellow who fell into Hicks' cryotube and was impaled by the EEV's safety support.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 11, 2015, 06:44:11 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jan 11, 2015, 03:36:33 PM
Was 'Turk' that rasslin'-watchin', monster truck-drivin' bozo with the beard? I'm NOT playing the game again to find out.  :P

Yeah, he's that guy in Alien 3 that you mistook for Hicks during your autopsy.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 11, 2015, 11:50:09 PM
Doug Williams wrote a brief blog post about the Blomkamp/Alien thing, and included this pretty great art piece:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-DuI0UnJ8Ynw%2FVK4YLEuRhMI%2FAAAAAAAAAiI%2FkIm40PsVT9U%2Fs1600%2FalienChappFun.jpg&hash=0aed318c7988276c498ab26559cee19cbb038f74)

http://pleaselookatmeneillblomkamp.blogspot.com/2015/01/alien.html#comment-form (http://pleaselookatmeneillblomkamp.blogspot.com/2015/01/alien.html#comment-form)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: viendammage on Jan 12, 2015, 05:15:32 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 10, 2015, 08:39:38 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 09, 2015, 02:26:07 PM
Like I said, if the new Superman movie opened with Clark, Perry and co standing a by a grave that read "RIP Lois Lane" because it served the plot (for say a Wonder Woman romance), that wouldn't be acceptable.
Right. But Alien3 doesn't do anything like that. It's the equivalent of opening with Superman being busy doing something else while Lois died. Later, there's a funeral.

People can hate it all they want, it's still not a handwave or a cop out or any of a dozen other descriptions. A character is shown dying. Don't like it? Good, because you're not meant to.

Prometheus is half prequel, half reboot.  Predators is half sequel half remake.  Superman Returns is a pseudo sequel to Superman.  Terminator 3 negated Terminator and T2.  X-Men Days of Future Past made $750 million dollars and I never saw 16 pages and 200+ responses explaining or complaining how Professor Xavier came back to life after being evaporated in 3.  His consciousness put into the comatose body of a twin brother we never heard about over 7 films?  The hardcore fans who would care or nitpick about things like that are not the general audience.  Highlander should have ended after the first movie but spawned 4 sequels and 2 television series.

If an in demand filmmaker like Blomkampp could come up with a decent story for a price, you bet your ass Fox would tell him to make an Aliens sequel with Ripley and Hicks with no mention of 3 or Resurrection.  They're not interested in continuity, they're interested in more franchise.   The comic books, video games, whatever mythology would have no bearing on a film whatsoever.  Look at the new Star Wars movies not taking into account any of the books, comics or video games from the last 30 years.  That's not going to stop them from being huge hits.  Unless they're really bad...

Fact is, people are way more excited to see Ripley and Hicks return than Prometheus 2 and that says a lot.  Any new movie won't be for the hardcore Alien experts who have followed it in every medium.  It's just been too diluted and the studio doesn't care as long as they can sell it off the back of a known and revered hit.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: tmoldovan on Jan 12, 2015, 06:56:48 AM
To add my 2 cents, in Xmen, the universe is so hoaky, characters come and go all the time. I still enjoy the movies, I just don't take them very seriously.
Alien universe, on the other hand started very seriously, and Sigourney has always given it a 110%, even though Fox seems to try to f**k it up at every step.

I didn't even care about Hicks and Newt, and while the plot point is solid, I felt that their deaths and the egg were a cheap exit, and should have been handled better.

I think Blomkamp could give the movie a serious, gritty treatment that the Alien and the universe deserve, and it could and should be done without Ripley. At this point Fox is just using her as a crutch on their shitwagon.

Edit: let me add this, in fairness to Fox, Predators and Prometheus seem like serious attempts, so maybe there is someone there paying attention.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 12, 2015, 01:37:18 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 11, 2015, 11:50:09 PM
Doug Williams wrote a brief blog post about the Blomkamp/Alien thing, and included this pretty great art piece:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-DuI0UnJ8Ynw%2FVK4YLEuRhMI%2FAAAAAAAAAiI%2FkIm40PsVT9U%2Fs1600%2FalienChappFun.jpg&hash=0aed318c7988276c498ab26559cee19cbb038f74)

http://pleaselookatmeneillblomkamp.blogspot.com/2015/01/alien.html#comment-form (http://pleaselookatmeneillblomkamp.blogspot.com/2015/01/alien.html#comment-form)

Dafuq is Chappie doing in Aliens 2.0?  ???
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 12, 2015, 01:42:57 PM
Just some fun art Williams drew that I thought was worth sharing, since his piece (the one with the variant Hammerpede and egg) was part of the collection of images that Blomkamp released.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jan 13, 2015, 01:02:52 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 08, 2015, 08:37:36 AM
It absolutely served a purpose. The entire point of Alien 3 was Ripley losing everything, yet again, to the Alien. If they were still alive somewhere that would totally negate that point.

As I said, you can love or hate the decision, but it was an integral part of what the third film was trying to do.

She would have been cut off from them if they had been jettisoned for elsewhere (especially if she had no idea) or kept in stasis, too. It really wouldn't have changed much.

What matters is that, emotionally, it's the Boba Fett effect: The deaths felt cheap.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 08, 2015, 07:10:42 PM
We wouldn't even need additional footage of the facehugger.  The audience is smart enough to assume that it hitched a ride on the sly.

An egg, on the other hand, requires far more rationalization than that.

Actually, that would just exchange one plot-hole for another. Instead of not knowing where the egg came from, we'd be wondering why the facehugger didn't join in and either attack Ripley or, more obviously, Newt.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2015, 10:04:20 AM
Anyway, how could it all be a dream? You never dream about your own death :P

Many people do.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Vrastal on Jan 13, 2015, 06:18:10 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 13, 2015, 01:02:52 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 08, 2015, 08:37:36 AM
It absolutely served a purpose. The entire point of Alien 3 was Ripley losing everything, yet again, to the Alien. If they were still alive somewhere that would totally negate that point.

As I said, you can love or hate the decision, but it was an integral part of what the third film was trying to do.

She would have been cut off from them if they had been jettisoned for elsewhere (especially if she had no idea) or kept in stasis, too. It really wouldn't have changed much.

What matters is that, emotionally, it's the Boba Fett effect: The deaths felt cheap.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 08, 2015, 07:10:42 PM
We wouldn't even need additional footage of the facehugger.  The audience is smart enough to assume that it hitched a ride on the sly.

An egg, on the other hand, requires far more rationalization than that.

Actually, that would just exchange one plot-hole for another. Instead of not knowing where the egg came from, we'd be wondering why the facehugger didn't join in and either attack Ripley or, more obviously, Newt.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2015, 10:04:20 AM
Anyway, how could it all be a dream? You never dream about your own death :P

Many people do.

it wouldnt have been a safe place for the facehugger. It would have waited
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Jman on Jan 13, 2015, 06:25:12 AM
I think many people on this thread have some interesting ideas and opinions concerning plot lines that can jump from the ending of ALIENS (thus somehow bypassing the events of A3 and A:R) to make a new movie, as well as a true sequel that keeps Ripley, Hicks, and maybe even Newt alive. A movie with those characters re-appearing would draw an enormous audience, in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 13, 2015, 08:44:24 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 13, 2015, 01:02:52 AMShe would have been cut off from them if they had been jettisoned for elsewhere (especially if she had no idea) or kept in stasis, too. It really wouldn't have changed much.

It would've changed things a lot - there would've been hope. Having them separated but out there somewhere means there's a chance they'll be reunited eventually. Having them dead means there's no hope at all. It's over. Finished. That's a big difference for Ripley's character.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 13, 2015, 01:02:52 AMMany people do.

Really? I always thought that never occurred. I'd always either miraculously survive or wake up before it happened.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 13, 2015, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 09, 2015, 10:44:58 PMTurk is too complex a character for Copley.  Daniel Day-Lewis or don't even bother.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jan 13, 2015, 11:46:58 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Jan 13, 2015, 06:18:10 AM
it wouldnt have been a safe place for the facehugger. It would have waited

Neither was Med Lab. When a potential victim is standing around, they'll do all they can to get to it. Successfully latching on a victim's face is actually their best chance for survival: The other members of the proverbial tribe are unlikely to want to kill one of their own. That's what the Alien relies on.

Also, Newt was relatively unprotected when Ripley was engaging the Queen with a powerloader - and, before that, the Queen was just stomping around for a minute or so, hunting around for Newt. A facehugger running around should have made an appearance at that point (and would have had a much easier time of chasing her under that floor.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 13, 2015, 08:44:24 AM
It would've changed things a lot - there would've been hope. Having them separated but out there somewhere means there's a chance they'll be reunited eventually. Having them dead means there's no hope at all. It's over. Finished. That's a big difference for Ripley's character.

But like I said, even if you wanted to retain all of that (and it wouldn't have made much difference to the basic story), then just have her be unaware of another EEV having been launched.

Would've been the same situation as Ripley 8, who is assuming she's alone, but we, as fans, know there's still a mysterious unexplained absence of 'Ripley 7' (who could be anything).

QuoteReally? I always thought that never occurred. I'd always either miraculously survive or wake up before it happened.

Apparently so! It's not something I've personally experienced, but others have.

Then again, you're supposedly not meant to see yourself in third-person, like you're in a movie, but I've had that. I also have memories of what it was like when in the womb and of being born, which are also usually declared as being impossible.

So, I don't think it's unreasonable to be portrayed in such a fashion. Especially when we know Ripley had been repeatedly dreaming about getting killed (or worse), before. In hypersleep, you don't have the option of a nightmare ending by waking up from it, after all. You're in a coma until computers decide otherwise.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 13, 2015, 11:59:30 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 13, 2015, 11:46:58 AMBut like I said, even if you wanted to retain all of that (and it wouldn't have made much difference to the basic story), then just have her be unaware of another EEV having been launched.

But that still wouldn't be the same. Not knowing exactly what happened to them is different from knowing definitively that they are dead. It was that sense of absolute loss that their unequivocal deaths brought to the plot. Anything other than that would have left her with hope.

Not to mention Bishop would know if they'd been safely shot off in another EEV when he accessed the black box.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 13, 2015, 01:23:06 PM
Some interesting stuff that many forumites will know all ready, but precised nicely by the good folk of Den of Geek:

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien-3/33600/alien-3-the-story-ideas-that-never-made-it-to-the-screen (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien-3/33600/alien-3-the-story-ideas-that-never-made-it-to-the-screen)

Seemingly, Cameron's departure was the nail in Hick's cryotube.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 13, 2015, 01:43:32 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 13, 2015, 01:23:06 PMSeemingly, Cameron's departure was the nail in Hick's cryotube.

Hicks was supposed to be the star of the third film long after Cameron walked away (I for one have never heard it suggested he was actually interested in directing a third one). It wasn't until Gibson's script was thrown out and Eric Red took over writing that Hicks bit the dust.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 13, 2015, 01:49:19 PM
I kind of wish they'd gone for the themes of the earlier drafts. I think some of the comments on that article are bang on - Alien3 a bit of mess, pritt-sticked from other scripts and also the person that notes that many people were just pissed off they got Alien3 instead of Aliens 2.

One thing I'd never thought of was the double-dipping Facehugger. Even if we accept the deus ex of it (or its egg) being on the Sulaco, how does it impregnate Ripley AND the cow (or dog). I'm sure there's a fifty page thread on that in here somewhere...
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 13, 2015, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 13, 2015, 01:49:19 PMOne thing I'd never thought of was the double-dipping Facehugger. Even if we accept the deus ex of it (or its egg) being on the Sulaco, how does it impregnate Ripley AND the cow (or dog). I'm sure there's a fifty page thread on that in here somewhere...

Originally it was supposed to be a "Super Facehugger" with a different design, capable of impregnating one host with a Queen and another with a regular Alien to act as her protector. That much kinda makes some logical sense. But the idea was dropped and they went with a regular Facehugger, presumably just hoping no one would notice.

The Super Facehugger is seen very briefly in the Assembly Cut.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 13, 2015, 04:25:36 PM
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Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Master on Jan 13, 2015, 09:06:45 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 13, 2015, 04:25:36 PM
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Such beauty, such waste..
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 13, 2015, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 13, 2015, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 13, 2015, 01:49:19 PMOne thing I'd never thought of was the double-dipping Facehugger. Even if we accept the deus ex of it (or its egg) being on the Sulaco, how does it impregnate Ripley AND the cow (or dog). I'm sure there's a fifty page thread on that in here somewhere...

Originally it was supposed to be a "Super Facehugger" with a different design, capable of impregnating one host with a Queen and another with a regular Alien to act as her protector. That much kinda makes some logical sense. But the idea was dropped and they went with a regular Facehugger, presumably just hoping no one would notice.

I've been theorizing that since 1992, but I thought it was always only fanon (and only then for a select few).  When did it finally gain common acceptance among fans?  I weathered a lot flames over that because some people just couldn't abide the idea of a "royal facehugger" back then.  It just didn't compute.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Kelgaard on Jan 14, 2015, 01:05:19 AM
I'm  sure the release of the Assembly Cut, along with the queen facehugger pics on the internet helped your case.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 14, 2015, 01:35:17 AM
I was still persecuted for my beliefs well into the late 90s and beyond.  The DVD release helped, but I still carry the emotional scars for being so far ahead of my time.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Kelgaard on Jan 14, 2015, 02:15:02 AM
Take heart, perhaps one day you will be revered for your perception.  I still hope to see the queen hugger in a future film one day because what Master said.

And Russ, that thread is  69 pages long.  (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg9#msg9)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 14, 2015, 02:27:39 AM
Pretty ironic that the Queen facehugger is only seen around the dead cow, and the regular facehugger is seen attacking the cryotubes (and presumably on Ripley's face in the opening sequence scan).
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: tmoldovan on Jan 14, 2015, 03:48:55 AM

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 14, 2015, 02:27:39 AM
Pretty ironic that the Queen facehugger is only seen around the dead cow, and the regular facehugger is seen attacking the cryotubes (and presumably on Ripley's face in the opening sequence scan).
Fits perfectly with the rest of the movie.
You gotta feel sorry for the editor.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Kelgaard on Jan 14, 2015, 04:30:36 AM
Before learning of the super facehugger, I just assumed without question that there was more than one facehugger on the ship, that we simply just didn't see more than one at a time.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 14, 2015, 07:11:25 AM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 14, 2015, 02:27:39 AM
Pretty ironic that the Queen facehugger is only seen around the dead cow, and the regular facehugger is seen attacking the cryotubes (and presumably on Ripley's face in the opening sequence scan).

My theory is that it's the same facehugger.  It just shed its cells and replaced them with armor, spikes and webbing to adapt to its hostile aquatic environment following the EEV's splashdown.

Go ahead, throw yours slings and arrows.  I've endured it all before.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Russ on Jan 14, 2015, 08:06:14 AM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Jan 14, 2015, 02:15:02 AM

And Russ, that thread is  69 pages long.  (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg9#msg9)

How could I underestimate the nerdery on AvPG!
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 14, 2015, 08:23:42 AM
Quote from: Russ on Jan 14, 2015, 08:06:14 AM
How could I underestimate the nerdery on AvPG!

Pft. How could you even?

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 14, 2015, 02:27:39 AM
Pretty ironic that the Queen facehugger is only seen around the dead cow, and the regular facehugger is seen attacking the cryotubes (and presumably on Ripley's face in the opening sequence scan).

The shot of the original should have been removed for the assembly cut imho. Or at least changed, with a digital super-hugger instead.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 14, 2015, 08:46:35 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 14, 2015, 08:23:42 AMThe shot of the original should have been removed for the assembly cut imho. Or at least changed, with a digital super-hugger instead.

Yeah, this. As it is I just put it down to a goof and pretend the first one is the Super Hugger.

Quote from: Kelgaard on Jan 14, 2015, 02:15:02 AMI still hope to see the queen hugger in a future film one day because what Master said.

One was in the Sea of Sorrows novel, which kinda surprised me.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Kelgaard on Jan 14, 2015, 08:48:04 AM
We need a George Lucas special edition that keeps both the dog and ox, resulting in two aliens, with enough eggs and facehuggers to make it work.  Someone should give George a call.  I don't think he's busy.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 14, 2015, 08:51:33 AM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Jan 14, 2015, 08:48:04 AMWe need a George Lucas special edition that keeps both the dog and ox, resulting in two aliens, with enough eggs and facehuggers to make it work.

Don't forget he needs to replace all the Pulse Rifles with walkie-talkies.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 14, 2015, 08:58:34 AM
We need a Lucas cut of Aliens to put in some voiceover of Will Hope talking about the other marines.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 14, 2015, 10:02:28 AM
Replace the Queen with Hayden Christensen.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Master on Jan 14, 2015, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Jan 14, 2015, 08:48:04 AM
We need a George Lucas special edition that keeps both the dog and ox, resulting in two aliens, with enough eggs and facehuggers to make it work.  Someone should give George a call.  I don't think he's busy.

Yeah I thought thesame. Seriously thoug, the new edition could have facehugger digitally changed into super-facehugger. That would be dream come true along with extended edition with dog insted of ox.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 14, 2015, 02:14:49 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 14, 2015, 08:51:33 AM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Jan 14, 2015, 08:48:04 AMWe need a George Lucas special edition that keeps both the dog and ox, resulting in two aliens, with enough eggs and facehuggers to make it work.

Don't forget he needs to replace all the Pulse Rifles with walkie-talkies.

That was Spielberg!  :laugh:

Also don't forget, they need to make sure that the impaled corpse in Alien 3 is positively identified as Turk. And put a CGI Hicks in at the end during Ripley's swan dive falling down on his knees and going NOOOOOOOOO!!!

Quote from: Master on Jan 14, 2015, 01:40:29 PM
Seriously thoug, the new edition could have facehugger digitally changed into super-facehugger. That would be dream come true along with extended edition with dog insted of ox.

I would like to see the fugger impregnate a Jaguar. Maybe Andrew's pet Jaguar. That is after all what Giger's original runner was based on.

And we should pester Charles incessantly for an Alien 3 Final Cut. I think the Corporal has his email address.  ;)
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 14, 2015, 02:28:54 PM
Haha. I believe there are limitations. :P

Unless I'm bribed in some fashion.
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 14, 2015, 04:49:54 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 14, 2015, 02:28:54 PM
Unless I'm bribed in some fashion.

You'll be brought back to life by the ILM CGI Wizards Corporal, what more could you possibly desire?  :P
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jan 14, 2015, 06:36:39 PM
Aw man, can we get the prisoners doing a rousing song n' dance number in the assembly hall, too? All those levels, it'd be like Busby Berkley. This is so exciting...  :D
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: Vrastal on Jan 14, 2015, 07:42:25 PM
While were revising Alien 3 why dont we have ripley attached to a bungee cord and bounce back up at the end
Title: Re: Apparently Neil Blomkamp was secretly working on Alien 5 and it got cancelled :(
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 15, 2015, 08:35:54 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jan 14, 2015, 06:36:39 PMAw man, can we get the prisoners doing a rousing song n' dance number in the assembly hall, too? All those levels, it'd be like Busby Berkley. This is so exciting...  :D

Best suggestion yet.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: redalert51 on Feb 02, 2015, 05:13:47 AM
 :)He would have been a great choice . I still believe , there is plenty of room for the " Alien Franchise . Most of us fans would have seen the
" Alien Resurrection" Redux ,with the extended end , I love the scene of the collapsed " Eiffel Tower . If game companies can do it , Then what is the problem with doing a bonafied movie sequel , No Prequel or AVP..
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Infected on Feb 02, 2015, 10:20:17 AM
Direct sequel to Aliens and f**k the rest.
And leave the Ripley Xeno merge out of it.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 02, 2015, 12:10:41 PM
Lost of people wished it had gone that way, I think. I'm one of them (as is Blomkamp *lol*)
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2015, 01:30:13 PM
Eh. Alien 3 has its problems, no getting around that, but I don't want to see it retconned out of existence. It did a lot of interesting things, and for what it was (and what it was through), it was actually a pretty great outing for the franchise.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 02, 2015, 02:16:12 PM
Yeah, I'd hate to see the third film go. Ripley's death is one of the best moments in the franchise.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 02, 2015, 03:22:55 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 02, 2015, 02:16:12 PM
Yeah, I'd hate to see the third film go. Ripley's death is one of the best moments in the franchise.

It kinda shows the reality of a gritty world where not even heroes win, the interesting part is that the nightmares that plagued her so long became a reality.....and only because she wanted to face her demons, if she didn't go to LV-426 then she would have lived.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 02, 2015, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 02, 2015, 02:16:12 PM
Yeah, I'd hate to see the third film go. Ripley's death is one of the best moments in the franchise.

It was good. The death of the other two also fit - it was the execution (if you'll forgive the pun) that was flawed. That they all died was fine - we've discussed Hicks and Newt to death in this post: I don't think think anyone has an issue with their exit, just the handling of it. If they had survived (a la Blomkamp) then clearly a different universe would have evolved from that (likely similar to the original comic?)

I think that Sigourney Weaver was quite keen on killing herself off in the third one? I remember Cameron's flip "die, have sex with" comment from the Aliens commentary and she'd got to do all of the things she set out to do.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 02, 2015, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 02, 2015, 04:22:41 PMIf they had survived (a la Blomkamp) then clearly a different universe would have evolved from that

Sure. But they didn't survive.

I'll be honest, I really don't get people still complaining about this. It's been 22 years, and the one attempt at retconning things in that time turned out to be a laughably inept story in a video game. If the scenario in that is any indication of the kind of thing Fox is OK with regarding Hicks being resurrected, then good God would I rather have a flawed but occasionally powerful Alien 3.

Quote from: Russ on Feb 02, 2015, 04:22:41 PMI think that Sigourney Weaver was quite keen on killing herself off in the third one?

Yeah, supposedly she wanted it to happen.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 02, 2015, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 02, 2015, 04:53:45 PM

Sure. But they didn't survive.


I just think you're being deliberately obtuse.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 02, 2015, 05:54:30 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 02, 2015, 05:11:05 PMI just think you're being deliberately obtuse.

And I think 22 years is a slightly ridiculous amount of time to hold a grudge. Why do so many people still have a bee in their bonnet over specifically this? Why does no one consider the fact we could get a great Alien film without altering the ones we already have? It always seems to be WE WANT HIX N NOOT. Well ACM tried to do that, and the result was a lot worse than any of the films.

Although I guess maybe the truth is we haven't really had a quality Alien film in at least that long.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 03, 2015, 09:56:54 AM
No one's holding a grudge. The discussion was about Blomkamp's retcon and the possibilities. So repeating "yes, but it it didn't happen that way in Alien3" in a variety of ways is missing the point. The vast majority of people on here know what happened in Alien3 and to be honest, many of the discussions on this forum hypothetical "what ifs." You could, for instance, go onto the Shane Black Predator thread and announce the whole discussion was pointless and we won't know till the film comes out. Or will there be an Alien Queen in Isolation 2. We don't know yet. Or could there be an Amanda Ripley film - go pick 'em.

Consequently, if that's your standpoint, why bother commenting on these threads if you have no interest in "what ifs" and keep quoting the rulebook. But that's your cross to bear, I guess.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 03, 2015, 01:04:17 PM
I guess I'm just tired of it seemingly always being about Hicks and Newt. There are literally so many other possibilities for the future of the franchise. But it's always that.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Visceral_Mass on Feb 03, 2015, 06:42:30 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 03, 2015, 01:04:17 PM
I guess I'm just tired of it seemingly always being about Hicks and Newt. There are literally so many other possibilities for the future of the franchise. But it's always that.

What was the high point of the series for many fans? I bet many of them would say Aliens.

Everything that has come since has been met with mixed reviews and even the positive reviews don't tend to elevate those films above the level of Aliens.

Therefore, it makes sense to me that fans want to go back to the series high point and "veer off" with a couple of characters that they became attached to.

It shouldn't be seen as an irritation, its just fans wanting to return to something familiar they care about in the hopes that they can recapture some of that excitement that made Aliens so great.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Kelgaard on Feb 04, 2015, 07:34:39 AM
Well said.

When the series finally makes another movie with characters we care about, we'll want to see those characters return.

Also, Aliens critics have been griping about Cameron's take on the xenomorph a good six years longer than Alien 3 critics have been griping about Hicks & Newt.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 04, 2015, 08:43:48 AM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 04, 2015, 07:34:39 AMWhen the series finally makes another movie with characters we care about, we'll want to see those characters return.

Maybe I'd understand people still being desperate to have them back if the actors were still at a reasonable age to play them. But Weaver and Biehn are too old now. And do we really want the roles recast?

Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 04, 2015, 07:34:39 AMAlso, Aliens critics have been griping about Cameron's take on the xenomorph a good six years longer than Alien 3 critics have been griping about Hicks & Newt.

That one always confuses me too. Especially when they apparently suggest the Alien for the first film would've stood a better chance against heavily-armed Marines.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Kelgaard on Feb 04, 2015, 09:34:34 AM
I may have already said this, but i think a computer animated movie with the original actors' voices would be really cool.  It could offer an alternate continuity easily separated from the main line of films.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 04, 2015, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 04, 2015, 08:43:48 AM

Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 04, 2015, 07:34:39 AMAlso, Aliens critics have been griping about Cameron's take on the xenomorph a good six years longer than Alien 3 critics have been griping about Hicks & Newt.

That one always confuses me too. Especially when they apparently suggest the Alien for the first film would've stood a better chance against heavily-armed Marines.

As much as I love the Drone, we all know its killing streak was based on killing "truckers" not armed seasoned marines. My current favorite Alien is Drone(Sevastopol) and it has killed far more than the first alien ever did and some were armed civilians as well but put that creature against the marines and it will just have the same chance as the Warriors did.

Most of us loved Ripley (I think) but I doubt we all want her to return, so even if we love characters and care about them, it doesn't automatically mean we all want them to return, it would be better if they went off and lived their lives instead of getting caught into the same situation over and over again, hence why Hicks was meant to become the protagonist instead of Ripley in the early drafts of Alien 3.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 04, 2015, 05:05:19 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 04, 2015, 08:43:48 AM
Maybe I'd understand people still being desperate to have them back if the actors were still at a reasonable age to play them. But Weaver and Biehn are too old now. And do we really want the roles recast?

Next thing you know they'll be trying to bring back the original Star Wars trilogy cast.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 04, 2015, 05:32:04 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 03, 2015, 01:04:17 PM
I guess I'm just tired of it seemingly always being about Hicks and Newt. There are literally so many other possibilities for the future of the franchise. But it's always that.

I don't want a HIX N NOOT story because I'd rather the survivors get to live the rest of their lives without having to face the aliens again.  That also includes Ripley.

With a few changes, Prometheus could easily have been a sequel to Aliens and ultimately a much more satisfying experience than either Alien 3 or Prometheus actually were.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: razeak on Feb 07, 2015, 03:56:58 AM
Some people hold a grudge and it's stupid. Some people revisit Alien 3 every few months or years, and they simply still don't like the execution. Just some food for thought. Not everyone is holding on. It would excite me if they returned(in theory, *shudders at current Kyle Reese casting), but I would be just as excited if they went with an original cast and story that isn't a piece of crap.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Darkness on Feb 10, 2015, 09:38:42 PM
Collider has finally contacted Blomkamp about the concept art: http://collider.com/neill-blomkamp-alien-movie/ (http://collider.com/neill-blomkamp-alien-movie/)

"There was a reason. I wanted to make that film. I still may make that film. [Laughs] It may happen. But I did it on my own time. Like when Chappie was winding down in post and I had available time, I started to work on it. It was also from talking to Sigourney [Weaver] during the making of this. I mean, I asked her about Alien all the time. Alien and Aliens are my favorite films. So I genuinely wanted to make that film, I came up with the story, I came up with way more art than I put out and I never officially spoke to Fox about it, but Fox wanted to make it. So, I kind of touched on it and I didn't know what to do, and I didn't know if I was just gonna go leave directing for a whole bunch of time and then I was like, 'I might as well put some art out.' But I may make it. I don't know. That's where it stands."

Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 10, 2015, 09:42:37 PM
Yes, No, Maybe, Well see, Maybe not, Yes, No, Perhaps...
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 10, 2015, 10:46:39 PM
Not sure how to feel about this..   :-\
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 10, 2015, 10:54:38 PM
He hasnt spoken with fox but fox wants to make it.. anyone else confused?

Im very weary as to what direction they would take.. sigourney said she wants to do ripley 8s story but we say art for alternate a3 which i dont want to see removed..im scared
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 10, 2015, 10:59:25 PM
I don't want to see Alien 3 removed either.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 10, 2015, 11:04:06 PM
If they're going to turn Alien 3 into a dream, a reboot should start with the ending from that movie.  Then the camera slowly zooms out to reveal that she's still in hypersleep and someone is observing her dream like David did with Shaw in Prometheus.  At least then it would be acknowledged in some way.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: razeak on Feb 10, 2015, 11:11:39 PM
There is more to this story not listed above. Neil says it's a standalone story and he himself is the roadblock. So Alien 3 would probably be safe.

That was my interpretation of the news from IGN.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Visceral_Mass on Feb 10, 2015, 11:13:46 PM
If it gives us a quality film in the franchise, who cares if they acknowledge Alien 3 in it or not.

Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 10, 2015, 11:20:49 PM
For some reason, Alien 3 has fans.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Visceral_Mass on Feb 10, 2015, 11:30:04 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 10, 2015, 11:20:49 PM
For some reason, Alien 3 has fans.

Then they can keep watching Alien 3.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 10, 2015, 11:30:57 PM
I'd be very curious if this were to happen.

I don't much care for the idea of resurrecting dead characters like this, but I'm too big a fan of Blomkamp and some of that artwork to not be curious about what this project could yield.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 10, 2015, 11:58:11 PM
If they write out Alien3, I'll wait for it to show up on Netflix.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: acrediblesource on Feb 11, 2015, 12:03:46 AM
two terrible ideas.
1. Using only a limited amount of concept art to an entire movie with NO SCRIPT
2. Ripley in that Alien head gear is is RIDICUDUMB. (Ridiculous and dumb together). AND it's like the borg. forget it already.
3. Queen in some kind of jungle scene. huh?

The only thing I can imagine FOX being remotely excited about is the that melted or infested Jauggernaut. Which IMHO is pretty cool. But i mean that's the ONLY thing. FOX wouldn't be wrong for salvaging some concept art for the next Prometheus but I doubt the whole series of art and it's supposed story could be used.
fans unite.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 11, 2015, 12:07:13 AM
While nothing is concrete, if Fox decides to go through with this afterwards they finish the Prometheus movies-- I'll have to ask why wait for over twenty years just to retcon something that was ill-received but later on "forgiven" by fans so many years later on? Why didn't they do it back in the mid to late 90's when Resurrection was in the works?

As for them writing out Alien 3... Well, I am not too keen on that. I mean explaining that it was a dream is understandable but for me that is a very hard pill to swallow. Why can't alternate universes be used to explain where and how this movie takes place? Why all this retconned crap?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 11, 2015, 12:29:23 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 11, 2015, 12:07:13 AMWhy can't alternate universes be used to explain where and how this movie takes place? Why all this retconned crap?

Alternate universes are for superhero silliness. Fox made their bed, and they should lie in it. Just hire a good writer to have a good idea.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 11, 2015, 12:54:42 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 11, 2015, 12:29:23 AM
Alternate universes are for superhero silliness.

Tell that to the Halloween franchise which has two alternate timelines and the reboot universe. Also tell that to the Godzilla franchise too which has multiple alternate universes. Shit, tell that to Robocop series too which has a movie universe, animated universe, television universe and the reboot universe.

Superhero silliness my damn foot.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp\'s (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Doggo33 on Feb 11, 2015, 12:56:18 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
It will be rubbish.


Just don't. Please.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 11, 2015, 01:03:40 AM
Quote from: razeak on Feb 10, 2015, 11:11:39 PM
There is more to this story not listed above. Neil says it's a standalone story and he himself is the roadblock. So Alien 3 would probably be safe.

If it's a stand-alone sequel similarly to what Highlander III is to the Highlander franchise, then I'd be fine with that.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Doggo33 on Feb 11, 2015, 01:04:20 AM
Oh wow I just read the previous comments. No, at the idea of removing 'Alien 3' and 'Alien: Resurrection'. The one thing you don't do when making a sequel, or prequel, if you want to make it good, is mess with the previous content. 'Prometheus' so horribly messes with 'Alien' and I like to imagine it doesn't exist. I count it as separate from the 'Alien' franchise. So please if you are going to make a sequel - make it a sequel to 'Alien: Resurrection'. That's a good palce to go from. It's very open. Whatever you do though, don't mess with the previous content.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 11, 2015, 01:09:22 AM
Or do it as a stand-alone sequel which doesn't acknowledge whatever previous sequels came before, and doesn't connect with future installments in case future installments want to reference the ignored previous sequels.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: windebieste on Feb 11, 2015, 04:19:47 AM

Titillating shots of a 60+ year old actress's inner thigh are gonna be great! 

They should just take all these aging actors and shove them all into one last mash-up movie and call it 'Raiders of the Lost Alien Terminators'. 



Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Chris!(($$))! on Feb 11, 2015, 04:27:14 AM
^ I do agree but I'm fine as long as Sigourney Weaver isn't the main character. A supporting role is fitting at this point in the franchise.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: slaysaliens on Feb 11, 2015, 04:32:19 AM
Michael Biehn = awesome idea. trumps all other concerns for me. We're all already living in a world w/ Resurrection & AVP's & Prometheus I'm ready for Sigourney & Michael to team up against aliens again.  Just those two together already make up for over TWO DECADES of bad sequels, unofficial prequels, & multiple spin-offs.  I don't care if Channing Tatum, the Rock, & Melissa McCarthy show up in the last 30 mins, if it means Hicks & Ripley are back. Shit, I'm in, i'll donate to a damn kickstarter.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: DaddyYautja on Feb 11, 2015, 04:54:34 AM
He would probably shoot an awesome power loader fight.

Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 11, 2015, 05:17:13 AM
Anyone else see how this was pretty genius move by Neil Blomkamp?  Leak a bunch of concept art online, say you've been mulling over the idea of an Alien film, get the internet buzzing over possibilities,  create positive press for the idea, and get the fanbase excited.

Then when fox says they are interested, decline and say you aren't sure, it was just an idea, blah blah blah.  make fox wait. let them feel the pressure. I think that  Neil Blomkamp used this leak as a ploy to get leverage so that he can obtain a budget that he wants for the film.

right? right?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 11, 2015, 05:23:46 AM
Quote from: slaysaliens on Feb 11, 2015, 04:32:19 AM
Michael Biehn = awesome idea. trumps all other concerns for me. We're all already living in a world w/ Resurrection & AVP's & Prometheus I'm ready for Sigourney & Michael to team up against aliens again.  Just those two together already make up for over TWO DECADES of bad sequels, unofficial prequels, & multiple spin-offs.  I don't care if Channing Tatum, the Rock, & Melissa McCarthy show up in the last 30 mins, if it means Hicks & Ripley are back. Shit, I'm in, i'll donate to a damn kickstarter.

So much of this is wrong in so many ways.. we need a new fresh story leave ripley and the original 4 alone.refrence them sure but as bad ass as ripley or hicks are enough is enough.

Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 11, 2015, 05:54:46 AM
Quote from: Darkness on Feb 10, 2015, 09:38:42 PM
Collider has finally contacted Blomkamp about the concept art: http://collider.com/neill-blomkamp-alien-movie/ (http://collider.com/neill-blomkamp-alien-movie/)

"There was a reason. I wanted to make that film. I still may make that film. [Laughs] It may happen. But I did it on my own time. Like when Chappie was winding down in post and I had available time, I started to work on it. It was also from talking to Sigourney [Weaver] during the making of this. I mean, I asked her about Alien all the time. Alien and Aliens are my favorite films. So I genuinely wanted to make that film, I came up with the story, I came up with way more art than I put out and I never officially spoke to Fox about it, but Fox wanted to make it. So, I kind of touched on it and I didn't know what to do, and I didn't know if I was just gonna go leave directing for a whole bunch of time and then I was like, 'I might as well put some art out.' But I may make it. I don't know. That's where it stands."

WOAH. READ THIS INTERVIEW:

http://uproxx.com/movies/2015/02/neill-blomkamp-alien/ (http://uproxx.com/movies/2015/02/neill-blomkamp-alien/)

Neill Blomkamp says FOX has already told him they will green light it! Like it's ALREADY a go and his affirmative is basically is all they are waiting on!! What's better is it seems like he is looking to agree! See below:


"Someone at Fox should listen to you about this.

NB: That's not the problem, actually.

What's the problem?

NB: Me. I'm the problem. Fox, they would make it. Like, tomorrow. They would make it.

So if you called right now and said, "OK, done."

NB: Yes. Then it would happen.

Would it be your vision, or do they have their own ideas?

NB: No, I think it would work out.

Then just do it.

NB: I know, I just have to mentally agree with that.

Then what's the problem here? I assumed there were obstacles, like maybe Ridley Scott wasn't on board.

NB: No, no, it's not politics.

Then let's do it.

NB: [Laughs] OK.

http://uproxx.com/movies/2015/02/neill-blomkamp-alien/ (http://uproxx.com/movies/2015/02/neill-blomkamp-alien/)
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 11, 2015, 06:03:23 AM
I like that Blumpkin has a bust of the Giger version of the alien on his desk.  That gives me hope we won't see another ADI mutation or AVP:R ridge heads.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 11, 2015, 06:35:25 AM
Well shit.. it's only a matter of time that they do this!  :o

I mean, we've got a Predator movie on the way, two Prometheus movies.. and if Blomkamp decides to it, we essentially get.. four movies! Just wonder what is holding him back? Does he have other projects or does he feel like he is not up to par?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 11, 2015, 06:46:29 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 11, 2015, 06:35:25 AM
Well shit.. it's only a matter of time that they do this!  :o

I mean, we've got a Predator movie on the way, two Prometheus movies.. and if Blomkamp decides to it, we essentially get.. four movies! Just wonder what is holding him back? Does he have other projects or does he feel like he is not up to par?

Like I stated previously, this is a negotiation tactic. He's already got the media and public's interest. By not saying yes immediately and making Fox wait he's gaining leverage.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: tankiefrankie.pulham on Feb 11, 2015, 07:23:13 AM
don't get me wrong, alien 5 is great in my books, but for me, alien res was fan fiction, and there shouldn't be Ripley, (or at least elen). for me alien 3 was the end of the saga, and res was a cute add on for fans, defo NOT cannon. ripley died and had her arc, i think they should explore AVP, as in reboot it to make sense in cannon. or perhaps go the alien isolation route and explore the kids of a crew member, kanes kids, or dallas's kids. that would be sweet!
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 11, 2015, 07:46:26 AM
Quote from: tankiefrankie.pulham on Feb 11, 2015, 07:23:13 AM
don't get me wrong, alien 5 is great in my books, but for me, alien res was fan fiction, and there shouldn't be Ripley, (or at least elen). for me alien 3 was the end of the saga, and res was a cute add on for fans, defo NOT cannon. ripley died and had her arc, i think they should explore AVP, as in reboot it to make sense in cannon. or perhaps go the alien isolation route and explore the kids of a crew member, kanes kids, or dallas's kids. that would be sweet!

fresh new story, plot and unrelated to the original 3 films except for Aliens and Weyland Yutani is what the franchise needs.

Mention the old events in passing MAYBE but keep it separate
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: vikingr on Feb 11, 2015, 07:48:20 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 11, 2015, 07:46:26 AM
fresh new story, plot and unrelated to the original 3 films except for Aliens and Weyland Yutani is what the franchise needs.
To fill that hole we already got Prometheus.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 11, 2015, 07:56:44 AM
Quote from: vikingr on Feb 11, 2015, 07:48:20 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 11, 2015, 07:46:26 AM
fresh new story, plot and unrelated to the original 3 films except for Aliens and Weyland Yutani is what the franchise needs.
To fill that hole we already got Prometheus.

Prometheus is already taking a path of its own its backround story essentially. Theres nothing wrong with new people settings and story. Avp, avp2 avp2010, numerous comics. All for the most part individual of the original story line which is fine I find it hard to believe that ripley is the only person that would un into these creatures.

I hate that everything has to connect to ripley when it doesnt.


I did however love the Aliens:earth hive, nightmare asylum  and female war novels (which i felt were better than the comics) which were yes originallyy based off hicks and newt but works for the most part rewritten
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: vikingr on Feb 11, 2015, 08:20:59 AM
I don't think Ripley is necessary too, but some familiar persons would be good. Ripley should be not more than a sidekick.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 11, 2015, 08:41:22 AM
Quote from: razeak on Feb 10, 2015, 11:11:39 PMThere is more to this story not listed above. Neil says it's a standalone story and he himself is the roadblock. So Alien 3 would probably be safe.

If it's standalone and won't alter the third film, how can Ripley and Hicks be in it? This statement worries me, because it reminds me of how they shoehorned Ripley into Out of the Shadows, and it sucked.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 11, 2015, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 11, 2015, 08:41:22 AM
Quote from: razeak on Feb 10, 2015, 11:11:39 PMThere is more to this story not listed above. Neil says it's a standalone story and he himself is the roadblock. So Alien 3 would probably be safe.

If it's standalone and won't alter the third film, how can Ripley and Hicks be in it? This statement worries me, because it reminds me of how they shoehorned Ripley into Out of the Shadows, and it sucked.

Yeah ripley added nothing to that story good story but it was essentially just a selling point. Maybe he had two different film ideas or she could just be referenced in some way through recordings or something.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 11, 2015, 10:18:46 AM
I'm reading "Out of the Shadows" at the moment and I have to admit, Ripley feels very shoehorned (I've yet to discover how she hasn't remembered any of this happening, I guess that'll be at the conclusion).

As for this: As I've said many (many) times on this thread, the only feasible way that I can see is a ret-con with Ripley's dream as it's been established that people dream in hypersleep (demonstrated really well in Prometheus to be fair).

That's the only way I can see it working - I really can't think of any others that feel right (arguments about Bobby Ewing withstanding). You know, it'd be better than Ripley's twin-sister Helen and Hick's twin brother Wayne deciding to team up and find out what happened to their siblings.

NB's comment on politics is interesting - Let's say he has pitched it and they've said "Yes, but we need to keep Ripley and Hicks alive in case there's a sequel." So the concept is OK (he's clearly done the treatment),  but the politics are on the nuances of the story. I feel that the germ of this idea is (as I've said before on this thread) is not to resurrect Ripley, Hicks and Newt for multiple sequels but rather to deal with the dissatisfaction many people (including the actors to be fair) feel at the way that those characters were dealt with in Alien3.

This is not to say that I want to go down the "yes, but it fitted with the dark tone" road - we know all that and most people accept that of course it does but it could - and should - have been handled better. Even Biehn himself, notoriously bitter about the whole thing, stated that killing off the character was fine and dandy (paraphrasing) but those deaths should have had some meaning.

So, assuming all this goes ahead, I feel that's what the film will be trying to address? But it may get stuck in development hell if NB can't agree with Fox's terms - again, if my assumption above is correct (and there's a high percentage that it won't be). I don't think it'd be salary based, it must have something to do with the control and direction of the franchise - maybe they want to tie it in with Prometheus and NB is against that (that just came to me this second).




Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 11, 2015, 10:27:39 AM
Burke was a liar, Ripley's daughter never died and that old lady was just a pic he downloaded from the internet. The pixels gave it away. Thus Weaver can play Rips daughter on the hunt for her missing mom to only discover the bullshit that was alien³. Yea no need to retcon that shit.

NB is probably thinking just what he bit into... he knows that we will rip him a new one if it blows.  >:(
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 11, 2015, 10:46:28 AM
Just found this on Den of Geek

""Fox, they would make it," Blomkamp said. "Like, tomorrow. They would make it."

So if Blomkamp has the concept, and Fox like it, what's the hold up? The sticking point, it seems, is that Blomkamp isn't sure whether he wants to direct another movie or not.

"I just wasn't sure if I was going to do another film, like, at all," Blomkamp revealed. "Sometimes Hollywood just sort of gets to me. I love movies, but Hollywood itself is a difficult animal to negotiate. So, then I was like, if I don't do any, I should put some of this artwork out and that's exactly what happened."

While we don't know exactly what happened on the set of Chappie, it sounds as though the experience of making it - and dealing with the Hollywood machine for his previous movie, Elysium - has taken its toll on Blomkamp. But if he does change his mind, then it could be that his Alien concept could become is next film."

I think we postulated on another thread that Burke being a liar works for an Amanda spin-off - its fitting with the sort of thing he'd do if he wanted to keep Ripley in his back pocket (isolate her, make her think he's her only friend etc).  But in this instance, I don't think it works because Hicks is older too?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 11, 2015, 10:51:03 AM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 11, 2015, 10:46:28 AMSo if Blomkamp has the concept, and Fox like it, what's the hold up? The sticking point, it seems, is that Blomkamp isn't sure whether he wants to direct another movie or not.

There could be a hundred reasons. Weaver may not be interested, Fox might not be willing to put up the budget Blomkamp wants, they might mandate a PG-13 rating (*shudder*)...
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 11, 2015, 11:01:48 AM
Sorry, HuDa, they do address some of that in the article, should have linked it:

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/34063/neill-blomkamps-proposed-alien-sequel-fox-would-make-it (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/34063/neill-blomkamps-proposed-alien-sequel-fox-would-make-it)

They suggest Weaver's on board, but these are valid points. Especially the PG-13 part...  :-\
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 11, 2015, 11:12:59 AM
I'm not too sure where I stand on this. Both Biehn and Weaver are significantly older and I can't say I'd be interested in seeing them come back to reprise their characters after all this time. The only way I'd be interested in seeing Weaver again would be a continuation of the Ripley 8 character - which had some really interesting potential.

However, I think Blomkamp is a very talented guy and I loved District 9. I've only seen Elsyuim once but I remember it being gorgeous. I'd also love to see Alien return to the big screen on its own.

Despite all its flaws Alien 3 was a film I enjoyed very much. And I don't want to see it retconed like that. I wouldn't object seeing a new standalone that didn't feature Ripley or Hicks, but took the core essence of Alien and went somewhere else (not Prometheus).
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 11, 2015, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 11, 2015, 11:12:59 AMDespite all its flaws Alien 3 was a film I enjoyed very much. And I don't want to see it retconed like that. I wouldn't object seeing a new standalone that didn't feature Ripley or Hicks, but took the core essence of Alien and went somewhere else (not Prometheus).

This would be my preference too.

Plus, like you say, Weaver and Biehn are just too old now (no offence to them). And at the same time I certainly don't want to see the roles recast.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Darkness on Feb 11, 2015, 11:39:55 AM
Is his story supposed to retcon Alien 3 altogether?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 11, 2015, 11:53:02 AM
How else could Hicks be in it?

Unless he's following on from ACM. In which case my interest in the project just went through the floor.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 11, 2015, 11:54:29 AM
Quote from: Darkness on Feb 11, 2015, 11:39:55 AM
Is his story supposed to retcon Alien 3 altogether?

I can't imagine it working any other way as I say above. Not without it being totally ridiculous (more so than Ripley's Nightmare, which at least makes sense in terms of what has been set up).

Whether they'd go down the Hicks Pariah/Newt Nuts road or if it's all happy families on the farm when "something" happens, we don't know of course.

It is hard to see how you'd bring those two (three) back any other way with out retcon. Though, I think the retcon will be reconned as I reckon it'll be the "Superman Returns" in a narrative sense (let's not turn this into a "quality of Superman Returns" debate) of the movies. Essentially 3 and 4 didn't happen, they were shit, this is AL III EN (and they should use that and pay whoever on here came up with it too!).

They could just come out and say "they didn't happen" - as they did with 'Returns, although that sort of thing is easier to take in a superhero verse than in an Alienverse and I imagine doing it without some sort of explanation would leave the layperson scratching their heads.




Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 11, 2015, 12:35:53 PM
Quote from: Darkness on Feb 11, 2015, 11:39:55 AM
Is his story supposed to retcon Alien 3 altogether?

Indeed. The only way I can see it working would be if, like Russ says, it's all a dream or like HuDa says, it follows on from Colonial Marines. Neither of which are satisfying methods IMHO.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Thomas on Feb 11, 2015, 12:38:51 PM
........ ok for some reason my post didnt show up so let me try again while logged in....... ???

How about a movie from the point of view of Weyland Yutani where we could find out how they originaly came into the knowledge of this bio-weapon. Let us see them succed and then watch it all fall to pieces and then they have to fight to survive an alien outbreak.......
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 11, 2015, 12:59:27 PM
Quote from: Thomas on Feb 11, 2015, 12:38:51 PM
........ ok for some reason my post didnt show up so let me try again while logged in....... ???

How about a movie from the point of view of Weyland Yutani where we could find out how they originaly came into the knowledge of this bio-weapon. Let us see them succed and then watch it all fall to pieces and then they have to fight to survive an alien outbreak.......

I'm not sure that works for NB film (if we're to believe Hicks and Ripley are prominent), but its a great idea for a novel or comic.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Darkness on Feb 11, 2015, 01:07:06 PM
It never really occurred to me why Hicks was there. I can't see fans or even Fox willing to retcon two movies if this is supposed to be Alien 5. Though I like the guy's ideas as purely fan fiction.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 11, 2015, 01:08:30 PM
If they think it'll make money. And other series' have done this before to appease fans. Wouldn't put it past them.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 11, 2015, 01:10:51 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 11, 2015, 10:46:28 AM
Just found this on Den of Geek

""Fox, they would make it," Blomkamp said. "Like, tomorrow. They would make it."

So if Blomkamp has the concept, and Fox like it, what's the hold up? The sticking point, it seems, is that Blomkamp isn't sure whether he wants to direct another movie or not.

"I just wasn't sure if I was going to do another film, like, at all," Blomkamp revealed. "Sometimes Hollywood just sort of gets to me. I love movies, but Hollywood itself is a difficult animal to negotiate. So, then I was like, if I don't do any, I should put some of this artwork out and that's exactly what happened."

While we don't know exactly what happened on the set of Chappie, it sounds as though the experience of making it - and dealing with the Hollywood machine for his previous movie, Elysium - has taken its toll on Blomkamp. But if he does change his mind, then it could be that his Alien concept could become is next film."

Yeah, there's a lot of politics involved here.

Blomkamp had a serious fallout with Fox during the Halo film fiasco. To be precise, he had a serious fallout with Tom Rothman, Fox's previous CEO and co-chairman.

Tom Rothman has since left Fox and is now Chairman of TriStar which is owned by Sony Pictures. Bad news for Blomkamp because all three of his previous films were financed by Sony Pictures & MRC and distributed by TriStar.

So it seems likely that his relationship with Sony might now be coming to an end and that he is now courting the new regime at Fox.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 11, 2015, 01:31:28 PM
Thanks for that context, Eighth P: I didn't know any of that, and it explains a lot!
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Darkness on Feb 11, 2015, 01:43:19 PM
Video Interview with Sigourney Weaver on ComingSoon about the artwork: http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/408665-exclusive-might-we-see-the-return-of-ripley-in-a-neill-blomkamp-aliens-movie (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/408665-exclusive-might-we-see-the-return-of-ripley-in-a-neill-blomkamp-aliens-movie)

QuoteThat brings us to Weaver, who we spoke shortly afterwards, and we asked if she knew about how she inspired Blomkamp to start developing an Aliens project on his own. "He kept sending me these brilliant designs and ideas and everything. We'll see what happens," she told us.

We asked if there was more to Ripley she was interested in exploring. "It's not that so much is that we just left it at such a creepy place, sort of stranded above Earth. I was quite happy to move onto other things and I didn't want to go to Earth. I didn't want to manufacture a sequel and I felt like we were starting to do that. If something happens from this, it would be very organic and very original, and because of that, it would make me want to do it. If it was someone as talented as Neill, I'd certainly listen."
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 11, 2015, 01:50:12 PM
I have a strong feeling that momentum is gathering -- it feels too real to be a publicity stunt to get people interested in "Chappie". That said, if "Chappie" flops and/or sucks balls, then NB's stock will fall accordingly, which may also put AL III EN on ice.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: kliq316 on Feb 11, 2015, 01:56:01 PM
I don't think Weaver and Biehn are too old to star. It's how they structure the story really - I don't think that they should be the main roles, they should be supported by a group of younger stars (one of which should obviously be Newt). Obviously it's approaching it from the same perspective as the new Star Wars films (when factoring in the original cast).
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: JPredator on Feb 11, 2015, 02:04:08 PM
not sure how i feel about this.

i really like neill blomkamp's style and district 9 was great. Was not a fan of Elysium tho and in my opinion he still has much to prove as a director.

Still his concept art is interesting and i like the idea of bringing some new blood to the Alien franchise and exploring new ideas.

in regards to wether or not this will be a new ALien 3. i cant think of anything worse then saying ALien 3 and 4 were hypersleep dreams. this idea is silly. i think the best thing they can do is just say this is an alternate alien 3 and leave it at that. a 'what if' ripley and co took a different path story. no other explanation is needed. personally i would prefer this then continuing alien 4's story.

to disregard Alien 3 completly would be a slap in the face to people who genuinly enjoy that film. although nothing would make me happier then to completly remove alien 4 from existance...that film has its fans too.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 11, 2015, 02:57:33 PM
Quote from: kliq316 on Feb 11, 2015, 01:56:01 PMI don't think Weaver and Biehn are too old to star. It's how they structure the story really - I don't think that they should be the main roles, they should be supported by a group of younger stars.
But if you're gonna do that, you might as well drop Ripley and Hicks altogether and have a new film with new characters, thereby avoiding any conflict with the older films.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 11, 2015, 03:00:19 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 11, 2015, 02:57:33 PM

But if you're gonna do that, you might as well drop Ripley and Hicks altogether and have a new film with new characters, thereby avoiding any conflict with the older films.

Which they won't do as NB's concept is clearly designed around them and Fox's mandate seems to be "if it's Xeno, it has to have Ripley."
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 11, 2015, 03:44:24 PM
Replace Ripley and Hicks with new characters and I'll be game.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 11, 2015, 04:01:59 PM
If it removes Alien 3 then there's no chance I'm going to be behind it. It would be disrespectful to the film, the people who made and the people who like it. It was a satisfying end to Ripley. Question is, is this film really needed? I don't see the point unless it's a continuation of Ripley 8's story. No retconning please.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: JPredator on Feb 11, 2015, 04:02:40 PM
EXACTLY

I really do not understand why they cant move the ALien films past Ripley. Why cant there be an Alien film with all new characters following a different story?

Im surprised Fox didnt make scott put a young Ripley in Prometheus
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 11, 2015, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: JPredator on Feb 11, 2015, 04:02:40 PM
EXACTLY

I really do not understand why they cant move the ALien films past Ripley. Why cant there be an Alien film with all new characters following a different story?


There was - Prometheus. AvP. AvP:R. All of which had mixed reviews / reactions.

But that's not the point: the point is that this project does feature Hicks and Ripley, given the artwork and the evidence from sources (Blomkamp and Weaver). If it becomes a reality, I'd be surprised if they weren't in it - and to do that, it needs a retcon, and for me that can only be accomplished by Ripley's Nightmare. I really can't think of another way to do it. BUt then, I don't get paid the big bucks....
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Visceral_Mass on Feb 11, 2015, 04:19:02 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 11, 2015, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: JPredator on Feb 11, 2015, 04:02:40 PM
EXACTLY

I really do not understand why they cant move the ALien films past Ripley. Why cant there be an Alien film with all new characters following a different story?


There was - Prometheus. AvP. AvP:R. All of which had mixed reviews / reactions.

But that's not the point: the point is that this project does feature Hicks and Ripley, given the artwork and the evidence from sources (Blomkamp and Weaver). If it becomes a reality, I'd be surprised if they weren't in it - and to do that, it needs a retcon, and for me that can only be accomplished by Ripley's Nightmare. I really can't think of another way to do it. BUt then, I don't get paid the big bucks....

Maybe a surviving Engineer has been tracking Ripley's progress and had planted an egg in the Sulaco after creating clones of them to die on Fury 161 so that the company would think they are dead and then he could use them to help him "deal" with the aliens.

I know this is silly idea, I'm just trying to point out that a storyline could be inserted into the current timeline allowing it to veer from the current timeline without doing a retcon/nightmare and possibly still using the known characters while also tying it into the Prometheus movie. They just need a very good/creative writer to get it done.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 11, 2015, 04:29:57 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 11, 2015, 04:09:29 PMThere was - Prometheus. AvP. AvP:R. All of which had mixed reviews / reactions.

I hope Fox realises an absence of Ripely wasn't the reasons those films sucked...
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: USG Ishimura on Feb 11, 2015, 04:36:56 PM
Weaver: "...If something happens from this, it would be very organic and very original, and because of that, it would make me want to do it. If it was someone as talented as Neill, I'd certainly listen."

I don't want to see organic....I want to see bio-mechanic.
And original....they tried that on Prometheus, and though I like the movie, the Space Jockey could've been much more horrifying than he was.
Love Hicks and Ripley characters...but both characters are dead. Move on.

I'd like to see an adaption of Alien Isolation. But I'm not sure Blomkamp is the right guy for it.
Does mean artwork, though...
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 11, 2015, 04:54:45 PM
Quote from: USG Ishimura on Feb 11, 2015, 04:36:56 PM
I'd like to see an adaption of Alien Isolation. But I'm not sure Blomkamp is the right guy for it.
Does mean artwork, though...

Blomkamp has certainly been checking out the game...

https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/555478971060461568 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/555478971060461568)
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 11, 2015, 05:18:52 PM
I think people are losing perspective here with regards to the leaked concept art.  Remember that its just that, concept art, and if you look at the production of the other films you'll see that what was made as concept art most of the time never made in onscreen.  The ultramorph from Prometheus or the 15 foot tall Predalien by steve kock for AvP:R are good examples of this. Even the concept art for the melted derelict is all wrong. As we saw in Aliens the derelict had broken off one of the "wishbone" arms, yet in the concept art its fully intact? No.


Remember, the purpose of this leak concept art is to generate interest, its not a frame for frame blueprint of how the movie would actually play out. The chances that fox and weaver would disregard Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection are practically nonexistent. Those movies are too established and well liked by audiences to ignore.  Neil Blomkamp's main purpose was to create interest and show fox that  people want an alien 5 made by him.  He's done exactly that. The next step will be to actually write the thing and its almost a guarantee that the powers that be will not have the last two films in the franchise be ignored so that Hicks can be shoe horned into the plot.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 11, 2015, 05:37:25 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 11, 2015, 05:18:52 PM
The next step will be to actually write the thing and its almost a guarantee that the powers that be will not have the last two films in the franchise be ignored so that Hicks can be shoe horned into the plot.

Sounds like he's already written a treatment at the very least.

Quote from: Neill Blomkamp"I did way more artwork than I released, probably ten times more and did a lot of writing. I have a pretty cool film just in case it happens."
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RedHood on Feb 11, 2015, 05:40:00 PM
The art was dope and I just hope they consider this as a possibility. A Hicks return would be mind blowing! Or they can do a full revamp on the cast and go with the book stories.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 11, 2015, 05:42:31 PM
Please, for the love of God, retcon the partial-birth abortion that is Alien Cubed.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 11, 2015, 05:49:11 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 11, 2015, 05:37:25 PM
Sounds like he's already written a treatment at the very least.

Quote from: Neill Blomkamp"I did way more artwork than I released, probably ten times more and did a lot of writing. I have a pretty cool film just in case it happens."

At this stage its just too early to tell what will come of it.  Prometheus started out as a straight forward prequel to alien but over the course of its production it changed in a more ambiguous film.  The same this will most likely happen here too, and that's not a bad thing.  While I trust Blomkamp as a director, his writing can be off at times (I'm looking at you Elysium), so having input from the studio, from other writers, and from Weaver can only help.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 11, 2015, 05:58:23 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 11, 2015, 05:37:25 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 11, 2015, 05:18:52 PM
The next step will be to actually write the thing and its almost a guarantee that the powers that be will not have the last two films in the franchise be ignored so that Hicks can be shoe horned into the plot.

Sounds like he's already written a treatment at the very least.

Quote from: Neill Blomkamp"I did way more artwork than I released, probably ten times more and did a lot of writing. I have a pretty cool film just in case it happens."

The gist of this thing seems to be: He developed the whole film. He has a ton of concept art and did a great deal of writing. Fox has seen it and they want to make it. He is on the fence because of past experiences with Studios. That implies that he has at least written a treatment. Fox wants to green light it. Blomkamp seems to have adapted his original ideas to some of the character info Sigourney told him about while filming Chappie, and he is now more excited about the idea.

I highly doubt they will retcon anything out of this series. I would argue that even Prometheus builds upon ideas in A:R, whether it was intentional or not. A:R now plays as a merging of some of the ideas started in Prometheus or vice versa. Which is something, I am surprised no one talks about more often.
The obvious solution with all of this here is: Hicks is found drifting in Hypersleep or just in hypersleep somewhere. Or to just have him cloned.

I have to agree that they shouldn't have the film follow Ripley exclusively. But as for their age,... I mean, if they can do it with Han and Leia, they can do it with Ripley and Hicks.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: acrediblesource on Feb 11, 2015, 06:03:27 PM
Mein Fuhrer!
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Jenga on Feb 11, 2015, 06:50:04 PM
2 things:

1) What CainsSon Said is correct, Blomkamp is claiming that Fox is ready to move foward if he decides to do it!
2) Look at this awesome tribute project by David Woodruff starring Tom Woodruff Jr (co-ownder of Amalgamated Dynamics Incorporated) wearing original Hicks Armor from his days working on Aliens:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10101446709030490&set=a.10101078372360130.1073741825.18915181&type=1&pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10101446709030490&set=a.10101078372360130.1073741825.18915181&type=1&pnref=story)
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 11, 2015, 06:59:33 PM
Like a few others here, I am not too sure about them retconning Alien 3 and Resurrection. I mean I for one liked Alien 3, and the Assembly Cut as well but as far as Resurrection is concerned.. well, I think I am entitled to say that thinking about that movie now, it was a relatively boring movie. But it's been years since I've watched it and I remember liking it at first, then letting fan opinion influence me. I have to watch it again sometime.. but do I want to?

But is it just me or is anyone else feeling a little bit of franchise/fandom burn out with all the revisionist things they're doing with the franchises? I mean sure they've started over with the EU and all but the films? Well.. I don't know. I mean I liked Blomkamp's District 9 but that was the only movie of his which I've seen. And like Darkness, I think this pitch works fine as fanfiction.

And considering that Fox wanted to retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection.. well, if Blomkamp agrees to do the movie then there is a good chance this will give them the perfect excuse. I'm not sure if I agree with a retcon like this assuming this project sees the light of day and becomes a film and that's also under the assumption it retcons Alien 3 and Resurrection like the last season of Dallas or Roseanne.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 11, 2015, 07:08:46 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 11, 2015, 05:58:23 PM
But as for their age,... I mean, if they can do it with Han and Leia, they can do it with Ripley and Hicks.

Siggy is still in very good shape. From her latest film, Chappie:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hi-check.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F02%2FCHAPPIE-20.jpg&hash=7b83281b4e551a5fee6209923d7d1bff49cef1c4)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moviegod.de%2Fimages%2Fgalleries%2Fimages%2F00023%2F2280%2F2280_61016_l.jpg&hash=1d4a72e33a9d5eb6af7a8bea07fe5383e8cdf25e)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moviegod.de%2Fimages%2Fgalleries%2Fimages%2F00023%2F2280%2F2280_61018_l.jpg&hash=15cf6adb24b2a5426d5d2a08fa3900f5aeb11688)
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: judge death on Feb 11, 2015, 07:22:56 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 11, 2015, 07:08:46 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 11, 2015, 05:58:23 PM
But as for their age,... I mean, if they can do it with Han and Leia, they can do it with Ripley and Hicks.

Siggy is still in very good shape. From her latest film, Chappie:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hi-check.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F02%2FCHAPPIE-20.jpg&hash=7b83281b4e551a5fee6209923d7d1bff49cef1c4)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moviegod.de%2Fimages%2Fgalleries%2Fimages%2F00023%2F2280%2F2280_61016_l.jpg&hash=1d4a72e33a9d5eb6af7a8bea07fe5383e8cdf25e)

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Damn, she looked old in alien resurrection but here she looks younger somehow O_o
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 11, 2015, 08:06:43 PM
Quote

But is it just me or is anyone else feeling a little bit of franchise/fandom burn out with all the revisionist things they're doing with the franchises? I mean sure they've started over with the EU and all but the films? Well.. I don't know. I mean I liked Blomkamp's District 9 but that was the only movie of his which I've seen. And like Darkness, I think this pitch works fine as fanfiction.

And considering that Fox wanted to retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection.. well, if Blomkamp agrees to do the movie then there is a good chance this will give them the perfect excuse. I'm not sure if I agree with a retcon like this assuming this project sees the light of day and becomes a film and that's also under the assumption it retcons Alien 3 and Resurrection like the last season of Dallas or Roseanne.

I seriously doubt that all this retcon talk is warranted.  Alien 3 and resurrection are not going anywhere, they are as integral to the mythos as the first two films. And as far as starting over with the Eu...that stuff never mattered in the first place.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Visceral_Mass on Feb 11, 2015, 08:35:21 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 11, 2015, 08:06:43 PM
Quote

But is it just me or is anyone else feeling a little bit of franchise/fandom burn out with all the revisionist things they're doing with the franchises? I mean sure they've started over with the EU and all but the films? Well.. I don't know. I mean I liked Blomkamp's District 9 but that was the only movie of his which I've seen. And like Darkness, I think this pitch works fine as fanfiction.

And considering that Fox wanted to retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection.. well, if Blomkamp agrees to do the movie then there is a good chance this will give them the perfect excuse. I'm not sure if I agree with a retcon like this assuming this project sees the light of day and becomes a film and that's also under the assumption it retcons Alien 3 and Resurrection like the last season of Dallas or Roseanne.

I seriously doubt that all this retcon talk is warranted.  Alien 3 and resurrection are not going anywhere, they are as integral to the mythos as the first two films. And as far as starting over with the Eu...that stuff never mattered in the first place.

Ultimately none of it matters unless the powers that be want it to. It has happened before and will continue to happen with other franchises, and there is nothing stopping Fox from doing something similar with the Alien franchise in the hopes of elevating it to current franchise standards.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 11, 2015, 08:43:56 PM
Why is everyone whining about the alien 3 retcon? Aside from Alien fans, the movie is generally disliked (considered boring/slow) by most of the general public.

They don't NEED to retcon it, but if it happens, its not the worst thing that could happen. Even James Cameron said he wanted to do something similar if he had made the sequel.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 11, 2015, 09:08:45 PM
If this film does get made, you can bet that Fox will want to sell us a new ALIEN collection on blu-ray. And that's gonna contain five films (maybe six if they include Prometheus), not three.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 11, 2015, 09:15:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 11, 2015, 09:08:45 PMIf this film does get made, you can bet that Fox will want to sell us a new ALIEN collection on blu-ray. And that's gonna contain five films (maybe six if they include Prometheus), not three.

We've already have the five film Alien + Prometheus set.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 11, 2015, 09:18:31 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 11, 2015, 09:15:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 11, 2015, 09:08:45 PMIf this film does get made, you can bet that Fox will want to sell us a new ALIEN collection on blu-ray. And that's gonna contain five films (maybe six if they include Prometheus), not three.

We've already have the five film Alien + Prometheus set.

I'm talking about a box of Alien I-V, with the possible inclusion of Prometheus. But it certainly won't be a boxed set of Alien, Aliens, and Blomkamp's Alien V.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: PRJ_since1990 on Feb 11, 2015, 10:26:38 PM
I, for one, did like Alien 3. However, I know that there were stronger stories, particularly the Earth Hive series IMO. If they retcon'ed A3 out of existence, I wouldn't be bothered. However, I would prefer the story to take place between Aliens and Alien 3. Preferably they wake up mid-sleep and whatever events take place take place. The only trouble is Newt... what to do with her... 
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 11, 2015, 10:43:23 PM
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Feb 11, 2015, 10:26:38 PM
I, for one, did like Alien 3. However, I know that there were stronger stories, particularly the Earth Hive series IMO. If they retcon'ed A3 out of existence, I wouldn't be bothered. However, I would prefer the story to take place between Aliens and Alien 3. Preferably they wake up mid-sleep and whatever events take place take place. The only trouble is Newt... what to do with her...

Anything that takes place between alien and alien3 cant be done with the original actors without some something stupid like it being a dream. the actors are too old, and you dont age in hypersleep.  WIth regards to newt she would have to be recasted in any way shape or form. and after the fiasco that was Aliens CM i doubt beihn would sign on for any alien related projects again.

The only way i would want to see alien 3 and 4 retconned would be if they followed earth hive. which they wont do, but it works better as fan fic anyways. that being said i dont want to see any retconning being done

So what we need is just new people and new settings. no one stepping on anyones previous work. Ripley and hicks are gone. If they HAD to have ripley return i wouldnt want her being the star, if anything i would just want her referenced or something  like isolation had recordings.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 11, 2015, 11:01:10 PM
ACM isn't going to stop Biehn from doing this if he wants to do it. I'm sure that game was nothing more than a paycheck for him.

Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Jurkass on Feb 11, 2015, 11:35:43 PM
I'm interested to see what Neill could do with an Alien movie, so here's hoping it will happen. I would rather they stay with the current canon though, the concept was cool and all but not sure how it would work in a movie.

Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 12, 2015, 12:04:22 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 11, 2015, 09:08:45 PM
If this film does get made, you can bet that Fox will want to sell us a new ALIEN collection on blu-ray. And that's gonna contain five films (maybe six if they include Prometheus), not three.

This right here is spot on.  The biggest assurance that Alien 3 and Resurrection wont be retconned is that fox would lose revenue. 
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 12, 2015, 12:37:46 AM
Saw a TV spot for Chappie! Well then.. I suppose after opening weekend, we should hear something!
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: razeak on Feb 12, 2015, 12:41:10 AM
Meh, if Fox did retcon out A3 and A:R, I don't for one second think they wouldn't just put an quick bit of text stating those two movies were in a separate universe or something along those lines and still make a huge box set, which I will still buy again.

I'm not a fan of the retcon, because as much as I think the deaths of Hicks and Newt were handled very poorly, it's still a good movie. I think they should just move on.

Now as far as being concerned about them disrespecting A3 and the people that worked on it? Nada. That production disrespected itself repeatedly and it's a miracle we got the film we did.

If a retcon happens, I won't be happy about that particular, but I don't doubt for a second I won't have a big smile on my face if Hicks and Ripley are on screen. In this day and age and with personal trainers, CGI and makeup, Biehn and Weaver are clearly capable of pulling it off. It wouldn't hurt to go to pass the torch, or just leave them dead either.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2015, 12:49:41 AM
People still watch Superman III and IV, guys.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 12, 2015, 01:05:45 AM
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Feb 10, 2015, 11:30:04 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 10, 2015, 11:20:49 PM
For some reason, Alien 3 has fans.

Then they can keep watching Alien 3.

I am a big fan of Alien 3, but as long as they do a good alien movie, they can send Alien3 to hell. And Aliens and Alien for that matter. But no "it was a dream" please!
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2015, 01:20:48 AM
So you'd rather they pull a Superman Returns and simply ignore A3 and AR versus explaining them away as a hypersleep nightmare?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 12, 2015, 01:27:32 AM
Well it all depends...if they want a reboot of Alien 3 then an explanation would be necessary...on the other hand if the project evolves into an Alien 5, then no explanation is necessary since the plot would focus on Ripley Clone 8 and Hicks can return as an android.

Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2015, 01:40:48 AM
I hear tell SM is working as an executive consultant on this movie.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp\'s (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 12, 2015, 01:52:49 AM
BTW! and although I am aware of the fact that many of the concept art designs never end up on the screen (for a movie that anyway still has no green light), I am very curious about the apparent presence of the Space Jockey in the project, so...I wonder if it is possible that Neil Blomkamp wants to show us his own idea of this enigmatic race? (ie, ignoring Prometheus)


Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2015, 01:40:48 AM
I hear tell SM is working as an executive consultant on this movie.

That explains his disappearance?  :P
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp\'s (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 12, 2015, 01:54:57 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 12, 2015, 01:05:45 AM
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Feb 10, 2015, 11:30:04 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 10, 2015, 11:20:49 PM
For some reason, Alien 3 has fans.

Then they can keep watching Alien 3.

I am a big fan of Alien 3, but as long as they do a good alien movie, they can send Alien3 to hell. And Aliens and Alien for that matter. But no "it was a dream" please!

maybe.


Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 12, 2015, 01:52:49 AM
BTW! and although I am aware of the fact that many of the concept art designs never end up on the screen (for a movie that anyway still has no green light), I am very curious about the apparent presence of the Space Jockey in the project, so...I wonder if it is possible that Neil Blomkamp wants to show us his own idea of this enigmatic race? (ie, ignoring Prometheus)


Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2015, 01:40:48 AM
I hear tell SM is working as an executive consultant on this movie.

That explains his disappearance?  :P

I still thing that follow the path of the space jockey and the derelict is the best way, but prometheus ruined it...forever?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp\'s (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2015, 02:02:44 AM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 12, 2015, 01:52:49 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2015, 01:40:48 AM
I hear tell SM is working as an executive consultant on this movie.

That explains his disappearance?  :P

locusta has been pretty scarce too.  Hmm...
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 12, 2015, 03:01:03 AM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 11, 2015, 11:54:29 AM
Quote from: Darkness on Feb 11, 2015, 11:39:55 AM
Is his story supposed to retcon Alien 3 altogether?

I can't imagine it working any other way as I say above. Not without it being totally ridiculous (more so than Ripley's Nightmare, which at least makes sense in terms of what has been set up).

Whether they'd go down the Hicks Pariah/Newt Nuts road or if it's all happy families on the farm when "something" happens, we don't know of course.

It is hard to see how you'd bring those two (three) back any other way with out retcon. Though, I think the retcon will be reconned as I reckon it'll be the "Superman Returns" in a narrative sense (let's not turn this into a "quality of Superman Returns" debate) of the movies. Essentially 3 and 4 didn't happen, they were shit, this is AL III EN (and they should use that and pay whoever on here came up with it too!).

They could just come out and say "they didn't happen" - as they did with 'Returns, although that sort of thing is easier to take in a superhero verse than in an Alienverse and I imagine doing it without some sort of explanation would leave the layperson scratching their heads.

Maybe he made concept art with Hicks on it just for the sake of it, but he is not thinking about really having him in the movie. he Hasn't said anything about Hicks.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 12, 2015, 03:33:59 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 12, 2015, 03:01:03 AM
Maybe he made concept art with Hicks on it just for the sake of it, but he is not thinking about really having him in the movie. he Hasn't said anything about Hicks.

this is what i'm thinking. 
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 12, 2015, 03:38:15 AM
I would be surprised if he even came back for it.

I could see them going after :R or A3 without retconning while having sigourney
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 12, 2015, 01:27:32 AM
Well it all depends...if they want a reboot of Alien 3 then an explanation would be necessary...on the other hand if the project evolves into an Alien 5, then no explanation is necessary since the plot would focus on Ripley Clone 8 and Hicks can return as an android.



A:R could have beihn as an android A:3.5? could have ripley be an android.

But both would be pretty awful ideas.  I still hope for completely new
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2015, 03:57:56 AM
They could always cast Jai Courtney or Anton Yelchin as Hicks.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 12, 2015, 04:00:22 AM
Ive never heard those names in my life
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 12, 2015, 04:25:18 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2015, 03:57:56 AM
They could always cast Jai Courtney or Anton Yelchin as Hicks.

I see what you did there! Other actors playing as Biehn's roles!
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2015, 04:26:08 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 12, 2015, 04:00:22 AM
Ive never heard those names in my life
So?  Michael Biehn wasn't always a household name until he starred in Megiddo: The Omega Code 2 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0263728/).  Maybe he can capitalize on his return to the Alien series by scoring a role in the next Human Centipede blockbuster.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Kelgaard on Feb 12, 2015, 04:30:23 AM
I think that recasting the roles with younger actors for the opening act, perhaps even recreating some scenes from Aliens, and then flashing forward 30 years later with the original actors would be a good way to handle it.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 12, 2015, 04:36:34 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2015, 04:26:08 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 12, 2015, 04:00:22 AM
Ive never heard those names in my life
So?  Michael Biehn wasn't always a household name until he starred in Megiddo: The Omega Code 2 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0263728/).  Maybe he can capitalize on his return to the Alien series by scoring a role in the next Human Centipede blockbuster.

The somewhat rude attitude aside, im stating ive never heard those names and was hoping you would tell me what movis there from, if theyre good. a break down of them. should have asked.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 12, 2015, 04:42:35 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 12, 2015, 04:36:34 AM
The somewhat rude attitude aside, im stating ive never heard those names and was hoping you would tell me what movis there from, if theyre good. a break down of them. should have asked.

Anton Yelchin played Kyle Reese in Terminator Salvation, and Jai Courtney is playing Kyle Reese in Terminator Genisys.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 12, 2015, 04:53:34 AM
The ADI effects guys need to stay away from any Alien sequels, unless Blomkamp really pushes them stylistically. The creature needs to go back into the shadows again. No more rounded teeth and excessive drooling.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2015, 04:59:02 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 12, 2015, 04:53:34 AM
The ADI effects guys need to stay away from any Alien sequels, unless Blomkamp really pushes them stylistically.

They need to stay away period.  Tom Woodruff is awful in the costume.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Nightgaunt on Feb 12, 2015, 05:01:34 AM
General Perez: "It has memories. Why does it have memories?" Some events of Alien 3 not so much Ellen Ripley's nightmare as Ripley 8's dark memory?     
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2015, 05:07:57 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 12, 2015, 04:36:34 AM
The somewhat rude attitude aside, im stating ive never heard those names and was hoping you would tell me what movis there from, if theyre good. a break down of them. should have asked.

How about James Remar?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 12, 2015, 07:35:29 AM
The should just do it the Marvel way and get any no name actors for the movie. Trying to put people in that are clearly past their best by date is a foolish complication. Which is what T:Genysis is doing... trying to hack in an obsolete Arnold and totally shitting on the timeline at the same time.

Just make a stand alone alien movie. Stand alone people, leave the 4 movies out of it.

Yea Prometheus doesn't count.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 12, 2015, 07:54:34 AM
stand alone is exactly what we need.


and no that name does not ring a bell either Local Trouble
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Nice Try on Feb 12, 2015, 08:11:22 AM
The guy has been doing suit acting for over 2 decades, and here you are telling him to piss off? Like you can do better.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 12, 2015, 08:20:23 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 12, 2015, 04:53:34 AM
The ADI effects guys need to stay away from any Alien sequels, unless Blomkamp really pushes them stylistically. The creature needs to go back into the shadows again. No more rounded teeth and excessive drooling.

They're starting to put their presence out there for this:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/s960x960/10991505_836190353083300_884162746140149012_o.jpg)

Tom Woodruff in Hicks' make-up. At the end of the day, their designs were the result of the directors wants/needs. They've made good Aliens - the Runner. In AR, it was within the context of the film that the designs be mutated. It's just descended into the AvPs using the old suits for cost saving.

Isn't Blomkamp pretty involved with WETA now-a-days? Considering how good his movies look, I wouldn't put it past them to have a gorgeous CGI Alien. I'd love to see the kind of slinking out of vents from Alien Isolation.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp\'s (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 12, 2015, 08:54:45 AM
Quote from: Nightgaunt on Feb 12, 2015, 05:01:34 AMGeneral Perez: "It has memories. Why does it have memories?" Some events of Alien 3 not so much Ellen Ripley's nightmare as Ripley 8's dark memory?

Then how do you explain the fact they created Ripley 8 using Ripley's DNA taken from Fury 161, as explained by Gediman?

Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2015, 05:07:57 AMHow about James Remar?

Hah! Touché...


Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 12, 2015, 07:54:34 AMand no that name does not ring a bell either Local Trouble

He was originally cast as Hicks in Aliens, but got replaced by Biehn.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 12, 2015, 08:59:00 AM
That said...I would dig seeing him cast in the new movie... :P
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 12, 2015, 09:15:02 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 12, 2015, 08:20:23 AM
Isn't Blomkamp pretty involved with WETA now-a-days? Considering how good his movies look, I wouldn't put it past them to have a gorgeous CGI Alien. I'd love to see the kind of slinking out of vents from Alien Isolation.

If Neill goes ahead with this movie (on his terms) he will most likely use WETA Workshop for practical effects and Image Engine as the primary VFX vendor (as was the case with District 9, Elysium and Chappie).
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 12, 2015, 09:16:34 AM
I'd get behind that. His films are immensely gorgeous.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: kliq316 on Feb 12, 2015, 01:18:28 PM
That's terrible - if should either be Hicks or not at all. Part of the appeal of the concept art was that it's a direct continuation from Aliens. Replacing Michael Biehn with someone else is just as insulting as killing him off-screen in Alien 3.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 12, 2015, 01:47:16 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 12, 2015, 08:20:23 AMThey're starting to put their presence out there for this:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/s960x960/10991505_836190353083300_884162746140149012_o.jpg)

It's a 'they're' 'their' 'there' trifecta! Exceedingly rare online. You, sir, have won the internet for today! :D

Also, cool photo, though I personally don't need any Hicks in my Alien 5.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 12, 2015, 01:53:33 PM
Haha I saw you'd highlighted them then and I was like "oh...no...I didn't did I?" Thought I'd got them all wrong then. xD
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 12, 2015, 02:07:39 PM
Quote from: kliq316 on Feb 12, 2015, 01:18:28 PMReplacing Michael Biehn with someone else is just as insulting as killing him off-screen in Alien 3.

And on the other hand, we have an old man fighting Aliens.

I don't want either scenario. Just leave him be.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: BonesawT101 on Feb 12, 2015, 02:36:43 PM
I personally don't mind If they Ignore Alien 3 and Alien resurrection. Most people tend to ignore these two anyway. Im a big fan of Alien 3, but If the latest film chooses to ignore it, it doesn't mean that 3 and 4 are going to disappear. I can still go back and watch fury 161 get torn apart if and when I choose, and Resurrection will still give me nightmares (albeit for different reasons entirely) I Honestly think that at the moment ignoring everything but Alien and Aliens is the best way to go.

However It seems like that may be an unlikely option. Blomkamp is a talented guy, and he is such a massive fan of the series I just can't see him deciding to ignore the third and fourth entries. It also seems that lately Fox have been putting alot of emphasis into creating an all encompassing canon with the series. Releasing a movie that completely deviates from that canon wouldn't make financial sense.

Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Samus007 on Feb 12, 2015, 02:39:41 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Feb 12, 2015, 02:36:43 PM
I personally don't mind If they Ignore Alien 3 and Alien resurrection. Most people tend to ignore these two anyway. Im a big fan of Alien 3, but If the latest film chooses to ignore it, it doesn't mean that 3 and 4 are going to disappear. I can still go back and watch fury 161 get torn apart if and when I choose, and Resurrection will still give me nightmares (albeit for different reasons entirely) I Honestly think that at the moment ignoring everything but Alien and Aliens is the best way to go.

However It seems like that may be an unlikely option. Blomkamp is a talented guy, and he is such a massive fan of the series I just can't see him deciding to ignore the third and fourth entries. It also seems that lately Fox have been putting alot of emphasis into creating an all encompassing canon with the series. Releasing a movie that completely deviates from that canon wouldn't make financial sense.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 12, 2015, 02:46:26 PM
Just a point on future finance and box-sets/marketing etc. The steel-box of the Superman movies has 1,2,3,4 and Returns (amongst loads of other stuff) - so I don't think that will enter into anyone's thinking as a reason not to retcon A3 and A:R.

Of the stuff I'm reading here, I still haven't seen a better retcon reason than the Nightmare. Ripley 8 now older and a robot or cloned Hicks? Not sure that works for me to be honest, it seems more tenuous than the nightmare idea. BUt that's only my view, i have to say.

Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: GadgetHunter on Feb 12, 2015, 03:11:59 PM
I have always wondered why the sequel to Aliens didn't simply have someone go back to the original alien ship that crashed on LV426. (It would have been a long way away from the settlers so would not have been destroyed by the nuclear reactor explosion.)

Going to explore the ship and space jockey in such a story would have been a much more interesting approach than that used in Prometheus.
Surely an alien spaceship would have provided much more useful research opportunities than the cloned Ripley in Aliens Resurrection or real Ripley and queen of Aliens 3. 
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 12, 2015, 03:17:08 PM
Nebraska is 77,358 square miles according to Wiki...
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 12, 2015, 03:36:32 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 12, 2015, 07:35:29 AM
Just make a stand alone alien movie. Stand alone people, leave the 4 movies out of it.

Strongly agree with this, and I would like to see it have no connection with the previous movies whatsoever except for the obvious one which is of course the Alien itself. It needs to be a stand alone which should also be treated as a spin-off, assuming there are sequels which connect with this stand-alone.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 12, 2015, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 12, 2015, 03:36:32 PM

Strongly agree with this, and I would like to see it have no connection with the previous movies whatsoever except for the obvious one which is of course the Alien itself. It needs to be a stand alone which should also be treated as a spin-off, assuming there are sequels which connect with this stand-alone.

But it's unlikely you will see that - NB's already talking to Weaver, so it's pretty much nailed on she'd be in it (as she's strongly hinted and as has been mentioned elsewhere on the forum, having a connecting-Ripley moment is the mandate), she's in the concept art (as is Hicks)... It could be a jumping off point for new movies featuring "Jordan" (surely no longer Newt) and possibly Amy (if Burke was lying)?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 12, 2015, 03:50:38 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 12, 2015, 03:46:11 PM
But it's unlikely you will see that - NB's already talking to Weaver, so it's pretty much nailed on she'd be in it (as she's strongly hinted and as has been mentioned elsewhere on the forum, having a connecting-Ripley moment is the mandate), she's in the concept art (as is Hicks)... It could be a jumping off point for new movies featuring "Jordan" (surely no longer Newt) and possibly Amy (if Burke was lying)?

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/485f546bd591463178706c24c8a7f597/tumblr_inline_nj9p08aRTn1rx8vc4.png)

You'll have to excuse me using a Ninja Turtle as an emoticon but there is no emote on the board which has the reaction I have towards your post, which is a crushing feeling of acknowledged defeat. Why? Because it's true.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 12, 2015, 04:06:38 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 12, 2015, 08:20:23 AM

They're starting to put their presence out there for this:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/s960x960/10991505_836190353083300_884162746140149012_o.jpg)

Tom Woodruff in Hicks' make-up. At the end of the day, their designs were the result of the directors wants/needs. They've made good Aliens - the Runner. In AR, it was within the context of the film that the designs be mutated. It's just descended into the AvPs using the old suits for cost saving.

Isn't Blomkamp pretty involved with WETA now-a-days? Considering how good his movies look, I wouldn't put it past them to have a gorgeous CGI Alien. I'd love to see the kind of slinking out of vents from Alien Isolation.


I realize that ADI's recent work on the series (AvPR) wasn't all their fault.  The directors had terrible ideas after all but still, those Aliens looked and acted like shit.  Specifically, the Predalien was a huge misstep and looked like they glued predator pieces onto an alien suit.  It could have been so much better. And the Aliens...well enough has been said about those.

Its all rather moot though because Neil Blomkamp works solely with Weta, or he has so far at least.   
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: T Dog on Feb 12, 2015, 04:09:26 PM
So Weaver says "It's not that so much is that we just left it at such a creepy place, sort of stranded above Earth. I was quite happy to move onto other things and I didn't want to go to Earth."

What I find interesting about that is she is implying it would continue on with Ripley 8.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 12, 2015, 04:09:48 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 12, 2015, 04:06:38 PMSpecifically, the Predalien was a huge misstep and looked like they glued predator pieces onto an alien suit.

You realise that's basically exactly what they did?

They had a design, but supposedly some kid saw it and said "cool Alien!" and they freaked that it wasn't Predator enough. So they bodged it at the last minute.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 12, 2015, 04:15:17 PM
^ Fox freaked out. Which was a terrible idea.

If it continues with Ripley 8 I'll be happier.

Then we get a cloned Hicks. And I will be a sad panda. Leave Hicks alone!
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 12, 2015, 04:18:49 PM
Despite Resurrection being kinda gash, I'd actually be pretty excited by the prospect of more Ripley 8. As a character, she could be very interesting, with the part-Alien vibe she's got going on. Let's be hoenst, that angle was never really explored all that thoroughly in the film, apart from finding the odd use for her acid blood and having her sense the Aliens occasionally (but completely sporadically).

With some more thought, it could be really cool to expand upon her inhuman traits. What's more, the +200 years timeframe could be fun to explore.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 12, 2015, 04:21:39 PM
Exactly.  I think her connection to the Aliens will allow for some really interesting developments with her character and with the species itself. And it'll give Weaver something interesting to play with.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 12, 2015, 04:52:11 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 12, 2015, 04:15:17 PM
If it continues with Ripley 8 I'll be happier.

Then we get a cloned Hicks. And I will be a sad panda. Leave Hicks alone!

I suppose I would be fine with this prospect rather than the whole Ripley's Nightmare angle going on as far as speculation/discussion is concerned.

And yes, please.. leave Hicks alone. We have to suffer Colonial Marines enough as it is.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 12, 2015, 06:56:21 PM
Agreed. Carry on the Ripley 8 story. Leave Hicks dead. No nightmare Bullshit. People say it's the best way to retcon but it's still a terrible ideas and a cop out.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Kelgaard on Feb 12, 2015, 06:58:36 PM
Why is a Ripley clone acceptable but a Hicks clone isn't?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 12, 2015, 07:36:12 PM
I hope that they incorporate some of the concepts from Prometheus into Alien 5.  A large part of the film revolved around the Engineers using the black goo to transfer Alien genes into other organisms (ie. Worms, fifield, Holloway.) as a bioweapon.  Well what would happen if the Engineers discovered Ripley?  She has alien genes in her due to the cloning process, so what would the implications of that be? Would she be immune to the black goo?  I find the possibilities compelling.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: T Dog on Feb 12, 2015, 07:49:12 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 12, 2015, 06:58:36 PM
Why is a Ripley clone acceptable but a Hicks clone isn't?

Because the Ripley clone worked for story purposes as a means for the company to get their hands on the Alien. WHo would bother cloning Hicks and why?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Bio Mech Hunter on Feb 12, 2015, 07:53:25 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 12, 2015, 07:59:43 PM
continue the ripley 8 story or just do something new.

I do prefer practical effects over cgi though. i always thought it was cool seeing the physical Alien suit and always wanted one of my own

The nightmare i a cop out and is almost as bad if not worse that the colonial marines/hicks crap.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Visceral_Mass on Feb 12, 2015, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 12, 2015, 07:59:43 PM
continue the ripley 8 story or just do something new.

I do prefer practical effects over cgi though. i always thought it was cool seeing the physical Alien suit and always wanted one of my own

The nightmare i a cop out and is almost as bad if not worse that the colonial marines/hicks crap.

I vote something new if I have a choice between continuing from Alien Resurrection or something new. There is 200 years between Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection. I'd like to know what the company was doing in that time that they weren't able to secure a sample of the organism in 200 years. You'd think they would have moved on, perhaps created their own genetic monstrosity if the had the capability to clone two organisms, one within the other.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 12, 2015, 08:26:17 PM
That or who else was unlucky enough to find the aliens hidden somewhere, theres got to be more than just ripley
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 12, 2015, 08:32:48 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 12, 2015, 03:50:38 PM

You'll have to excuse me using a Ninja Turtle as an emoticon but there is no emote on the board which has the reaction I have towards your post, which is a crushing feeling of acknowledged defeat. Why? Because it's true.

It could be good, you never know. Here's a good article:

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/02/neill-blomkamp-theres-a-high-possibility-of-another-aliens-film/ (http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/02/neill-blomkamp-theres-a-high-possibility-of-another-aliens-film/)

that again weaves together some interviews. This one though has a quote from Blomkamp saying that he was considering an idea that didn't involve Ripley, but whilst working with Sigourney on "Chappie" he was blown away by her (interesting as Ridley Scott says a very similar thing in one of his commentaries).

It looks like there's some acceptance on here as this may well happen and there are two distinct camps: Team Retcon and Team 8.

Chose your side... *lol*

(I'm Team Retcon)
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Visceral_Mass on Feb 12, 2015, 08:37:21 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 12, 2015, 08:32:48 PM
It looks like there's some acceptance on here as this may well happen and there are two distinct camps: Team Retcon and Team 8.

Chose your side... *lol*

(I'm Team Retcon)

If we're choosing teams, I'm on Team Retcon.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Hellspawn28 on Feb 12, 2015, 08:38:06 PM
I'm hoping if Alien 5 does happen then Blomkamp will have Alien 3 and Resurrection not canon. Just have them to be consider to be What If stories to the franchise.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 12, 2015, 08:39:26 PM
No retcon no ripley 8. new story.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 12, 2015, 08:42:58 PM
Yeah, since when were retcon or Resurrection sequel the only two options?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 12, 2015, 09:01:28 PM
knowing fox they will ok whatever it is as long as a name is tied to it, lance in avp, beihn in colonial marines.  ripley in all the books.

At this stage shes become a sell point. which is really disappointing becasue i find it hard to believe that only one woman is unlucky enough to encounter aliens so many times.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Ash 937 on Feb 12, 2015, 10:00:43 PM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 12, 2015, 09:01:28 PM
knowing fox they will ok whatever it is as long as a name is tied to it, lance in avp, beihn in colonial marines.  ripley in all the books.

At this stage shes become a sell point. which is really disappointing becasue i find it hard to believe that only one woman is unlucky enough to encounter aliens so many times.

Though it didn't start off that way, you could even make the argument that Alien3 was FOX's first attempt to "cash out" the series.  What started off as an interesting idea, turning into production hell, and ultimately left FOX salvaging what they had to cut a profit out of the mess.  People anticipated it because it had name recognition and Sigourney's star power attached to it.  After that, it was a film that was largely forgotten by casual fans of the series...much like the AvP films and Resurrection.

As much as I've enjoyed Alien3 over the years, I don't think I'd mind if Blomkamp does indeed make a sequel to Aliens and rejects the notion of Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection entirely...as long as the story is good enough, of course.  I mean, Alien: Resurrection was, in essence an attempt by FOX to rewrite the ending of Alien3 and bring back Ripley...why not take that idea one step further and bring back Hicks, Bishop, and (possibly) Newt?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 12, 2015, 10:07:20 PM
It would just make more sense to have a new plot with new people
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 12, 2015, 10:12:07 PM
The Queen from Aliens is still out there, floating around in space... they could use her instead of Ripley for a round about perfect sequel.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 12, 2015, 10:20:03 PM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 12, 2015, 10:07:20 PM
a new plot with new people

+1

But if Sigourney has to be in it, then it hurts me to say I'm in Team 8.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 12, 2015, 11:01:49 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2015, 04:59:02 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 12, 2015, 04:53:34 AM
The ADI effects guys need to stay away from any Alien sequels, unless Blomkamp really pushes them stylistically.

They need to stay away period.  Tom Woodruff is awful in the costume.

Woodruff is actually very good as the Alien.  A lot of the crap scene's in AvPR were stunt guys not Woodruff (the alien crawling on hands and knees on the hospital rooftop is a good example)

Also, I'm not 100% against the idea of Hick's coming back. He's a good character and I like him. It's just that he, you know, died.  If they can figure out a way to incorporate him into an Alien 5 that doesn't use lazy writing (such as Alien3 being a dream or other such nonsense) then I wouldn't have a problem with it... I just cant think of a way to do it   :-\
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 12, 2015, 11:07:51 PM
you must not have played stasis inturupted
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 12:02:01 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 12, 2015, 08:42:58 PM
Yeah, since when were retcon or Resurrection sequel the only two options?

This.. Why have team retcon or team eight? So many options here.

Throw in Team Stand-Alone while we're at it.. and just for me being the minority here-- Team Reboot. If there is one guy who can do an Alien reboot just fine, it would be Blomkamp.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 13, 2015, 12:52:41 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 12:02:01 AMWhy have team retcon or team eight?

It's based on the assumption that Sigourney will be involved.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 13, 2015, 12:56:47 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 12:02:01 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 12, 2015, 08:42:58 PM
Yeah, since when were retcon or Resurrection sequel the only two options?

This.. Why have team retcon or team eight? So many options here.

Throw in Team Stand-Alone while we're at it.. and just for me being the minority here-- Team Reboot. If there is one guy who can do an Alien reboot just fine, it would be Blomkamp.


But we dont need a reboot we just need a standalone spin off that can become its own thing
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 01:00:01 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 13, 2015, 12:52:41 AM
It's based on the assumption that Sigourney will be involved.

I recognize and acknowledge that. And it's a strong assumption.

Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 13, 2015, 12:56:47 AM
But we dont need a reboot we just need a standalone spin off that can become its own thing

I am also strongly for this!
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 13, 2015, 01:11:58 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 12, 2015, 11:07:51 PM
you must not have played stasis inturupted

I haven't played it but i know all about it.  The way they shoe horned Hicks into that game was contrived and senseless.  It didn't further the plot or serve the story, it was just done for the sake of it.  Just so people could go "ohhh hicks is back, yeah!".  If they could come up with a novel way to reintroduce him to the series that's actually integral to the plot and not a blatant attempt to appeal to butt hurt fanboys I'd be all for it.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Doggo33 on Feb 13, 2015, 01:25:11 AM
Oh. I read another article based on this interview and it showed presented she said in a much more positive light. Having seen this whole video it now seems as if she's not really that interested. She's just not closed-minded about it.

I think if it happens, it will likely be bad, and it will probably mess with the previous content.

In terms of an unrelated film - I think that will be quite ignorable. The only reason a sequel is really asked for is so that it can be added on to the story of Ripley. Of course if it is an unrelated film, and it is destructive of previous content, it will easier be able to be ignored, than if it was part of the series.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 01:58:16 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 01:00:01 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 13, 2015, 12:56:47 AM
But we dont need a reboot we just need a standalone spin off that can become its own thing

I am also strongly for this!

Sadly, we already have that and it's called Prometheus.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 02:06:13 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 01:58:16 AM
Sadly, we already have that and it's called Prometheus.

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/485f546bd591463178706c24c8a7f597/tumblr_inline_nj9p08aRTn1rx8vc4.png)

The Ninja Turtle of shameful defeat.. Again.

But no, what I mean is something which... is in loose continuity or rather an alternative. Prometheus is more or less an Alien Prequel, an indirect one but the connections are strongly there and the fact that Scott said it's in the same universe. I don't like it as much as you do, PredXeno but facts are facts.

Something which is removed from the main series and set's up it's own.. But if Weaver is gonna be a part of it, and this is the assumption this movie will be made.. and if it's a retcon or not.. We'll see.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Kelgaard on Feb 13, 2015, 02:23:11 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 12, 2015, 07:49:12 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 12, 2015, 06:58:36 PM
Why is a Ripley clone acceptable but a Hicks clone isn't?

Because the Ripley clone worked for story purposes as a means for the company to get their hands on the Alien. WHo would bother cloning Hicks and why?

Well Hicks did have contact with alien blood, and some have theorized he had a chest burster in him at one point.  Considering that Joss Whedon originally planned to clone Newt, I think Hicks is just as plausible.

But I'm not really pushing for this angle.  I'd rather see him in a straight up Aliens sequel.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 02:26:23 AM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 13, 2015, 02:23:11 AM
Well Hicks did have contact with alien blood, and some have theorized he had a chest burster in him at one point. 

Who and where was this theorized by?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 13, 2015, 03:41:02 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 02:26:23 AM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 13, 2015, 02:23:11 AM
Well Hicks did have contact with alien blood, and some have theorized he had a chest burster in him at one point. 
Who and where was this theorized by?
By myself and SM, here (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43050.msg1493923#msg1493923).
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 03:42:29 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 02:06:13 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 01:58:16 AM
Sadly, we already have that and it's called Prometheus.

https://31.media.tumblr.com/485f546bd591463178706c24c8a7f597/tumblr_inline_nj9p08aRTn1rx8vc4.png

The Ninja Turtle of shameful defeat.. Again.

But no, what I mean is something which... is in loose continuity or rather an alternative. Prometheus is more or less an Alien Prequel, an indirect one but the connections are strongly there and the fact that Scott said it's in the same universe. I don't like it as much as you do, PredXeno but facts are facts.

Something which is removed from the main series and set's up it's own.. But if Weaver is gonna be a part of it, and this is the assumption this movie will be made.. and if it's a retcon or not.. We'll see.

I think I get what you mean, you're referring to Alien stories that take place in the universe but look at the world at a different angle, right?  I consider all EU canon so I already have many of these stories to look through. :D
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Feb 13, 2015, 04:07:39 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 13, 2015, 03:41:02 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 02:26:23 AM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 13, 2015, 02:23:11 AM
Well Hicks did have contact with alien blood, and some have theorized he had a chest burster in him at one point. 
Who and where was this theorized by?
By myself and SM, here (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43050.msg1493923#msg1493923).
Me (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=5771.msg98023#msg98023) too.  :)

Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 13, 2015, 04:12:21 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 13, 2015, 01:11:58 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 12, 2015, 11:07:51 PM
you must not have played stasis inturupted

I haven't played it but i know all about it.  The way they shoe horned Hicks into that game was contrived and senseless.  It didn't further the plot or serve the story, it was just done for the sake of it.  Just so people could go "ohhh hicks is back, yeah!".  If they could come up with a novel way to reintroduce him to the series that's actually integral to the plot and not a blatant attempt to appeal to butt hurt fanboys I'd be all for it.

Blomkamp loves the metaphor of using an 'IMMIGRANT' as an 'ALIEN' and stressing that feeling of alienation... This makes me think he will certainly go with the Ripley 8 clone. A:R largely ended on that note when Ripley 8 states 'I'm a stranger here myself' she is stating that she has literally become an Alien to her own humanity and from her home 'Earth.'

I am thinking Blomkamp loves that idea.

Considering this^^^  and then taking into account that some time would have passed b/w A:R and Blomkamp's ALIEN: XENO, I can only assume that we will find Ripley as an alienated loner, at complete odds with the human race and possibly in existential crisis.

That said, if I had to guess, I'd  maybe go with Ripley 8 having something to do with Hick's cloning, in an attempt to find some kinship/test her attachment to another human?.. And of course, go all kamikaze and blow up Weyland Yutani headquarters together.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp\'s (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 13, 2015, 04:34:26 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 12, 2015, 08:20:23 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 12, 2015, 04:53:34 AM
The ADI effects guys need to stay away from any Alien sequels, unless Blomkamp really pushes them stylistically. The creature needs to go back into the shadows again. No more rounded teeth and excessive drooling.

They're starting to put their presence out there for this:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/s960x960/10991505_836190353083300_884162746140149012_o.jpg)

Tom Woodruff in Hicks' make-up. At the end of the day, their designs were the result of the directors wants/needs. They've made good Aliens - the Runner. In AR, it was within the context of the film that the designs be mutated. It's just descended into the AvPs using the old suits for cost saving.

Isn't Blomkamp pretty involved with WETA now-a-days? Considering how good his movies look, I wouldn't put it past them to have a gorgeous CGI Alien. I'd love to see the kind of slinking out of vents from Alien Isolation.

Who in his sane mind wants a CGI Alien?


Quote from: marrerom on Feb 12, 2015, 07:36:12 PM
I hope that they incorporate some of the concepts from Prometheus into Alien 5.  A large part of the film revolved around the Engineers using the black goo to transfer Alien genes into other organisms (ie. Worms, fifield, Holloway.) as a bioweapon.  Well what would happen if the Engineers discovered Ripley?  She has alien genes in her due to the cloning process, so what would the implications of that be? Would she be immune to the black goo?  I find the possibilities compelling.

shut up! someone can read it and have ideas!
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 04:45:00 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 03:42:29 AM
I think I get what you mean, you're referring to Alien stories that take place in the universe but look at the world at a different angle, right?

What do you mean by looking at it from a different angle?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 13, 2015, 04:59:18 AM
I know this is getting way ahead of the game but -

I just had a thought:

I don't think you can do a Blomkamp film of ALIEN 5 correctly, without a near 2.5 hour runtime, like ALIENS.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 13, 2015, 06:53:34 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 04:45:00 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 03:42:29 AM
I think I get what you mean, you're referring to Alien stories that take place in the universe but look at the world at a different angle, right?

What do you mean by looking at it from a different angle?

Idk what hes talkign about but what were talking about (at least myself) is a story of Aliens, that has nothing to do with ripley. they way Avp, Avp2, avp2010, and numerous comics that at most mention ripley in passing maybe or lv426.


A completely new ALIENS MOVIE without ripley, that isnt prometheous because thats its own thing now.

Aliens. no ripley, new story. new charterers.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: JayHy17 on Feb 13, 2015, 07:16:14 AM
I want this movie to happen. I don't care if it messes with the shit ass Alien 3 and AR. Blomkamps vision is what the Alien universe should be. Giger style.  Let's be happy this is even being discussed.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp\\\'s (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 13, 2015, 08:12:03 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 13, 2015, 04:34:26 AM
Who in his sane mind wants a CGI Alien?

Someone who wants to see the grace of the Alien slinking out the vents in Isolation on film.


Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 13, 2015, 06:53:34 AM
Idk what hes talkign about but what were talking about (at least myself) is a story of Aliens, that has nothing to do with ripley. they way Avp, Avp2, avp2010, and numerous comics that at most mention ripley in passing maybe or lv426.


A completely new ALIENS MOVIE without ripley, that isnt prometheous because thats its own thing now.

Aliens. no ripley, new story. new charterers.

Prometheus is not a standalone, it's a spin-off. Completely different thing (directed at PredXeno here). I completely agree with you in terms of the standalone.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: SiL on Feb 13, 2015, 08:32:12 AM
You can get the grace of the Alien slinking out of the vents with a guy in a suit on a wire -- So long as you get the right guy, a good suit, and a good team performing the stunt.

And Blomkamp favours practical over digital where possible.

Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp\\\'s (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 08:32:31 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 13, 2015, 08:12:03 AM
Prometheus is not a standalone, it's a spin-off.

Aren't the AvP films also considered a spin-off or something?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 13, 2015, 08:34:11 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 13, 2015, 08:32:12 AM
You can get the grace of the Alien slinking out of the vents with a guy in a suit on a wire -- So long as you get the right guy, a good suit, and a good team performing the stunt.
And perform the scene in proper lighting and angles.

Nothing wrong with CG Aliens as long as there's practical to go with it too; it needs to be visually consistent. AvP is a good example of how well practical and digital effects for the Aliens (and the Queen) can blend together very well.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp\'s (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 13, 2015, 08:35:17 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 13, 2015, 04:34:26 AMWho in his sane mind wants a CGI Alien?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a CGI Alien. So long as it's blended well with practical work, I don't see the issue.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 13, 2015, 09:04:14 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 13, 2015, 08:32:12 AM
You can get the grace of the Alien slinking out of the vents with a guy in a suit on a wire -- So long as you get the right guy, a good suit, and a good team performing the stunt.

And Blomkamp favours practical over digital where possible.

True enough but I'm thinking back to the difficulty they had in movement in the original suit. I'm sure that creature effects have evolved since then, of course, but considering how gorgeous the CG in all of his previous films are, I'd have no problem with them being used. 
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 13, 2015, 09:31:18 AM
Id be ok with a blend of cg and practical,avp was done really well in that department, inconsistencies, like alien tail length and stuff like that wasnt their fault, they were merely doing their.

I think both can serve equal purpose, some movement shots would be hard and probably wouldnt feel as natural in a suit as it could with  cg. I just dont wantw to start seeing completely cgi scenes and green screens like the hobbit and avatar
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: JPredator on Feb 13, 2015, 09:54:05 AM
Dont like the idea of cloning Hicks....why? what for? that would just be a lazy way to incorporate him into the story just for the sake of having Hicks.

Dont like the idea of continuing from ALien 4. The main reason for this is that Alien 4 never seemed like an ALien film to me. It just never fit in with the first 3 so the prospect of continuing that story line doesnt excite me.

Its obvious that NB's pitch involves Ripley and Hicks as the key draw which is the reason why its gaining so much traction. Therefore this would have to be a direct sequel to Aliens.
in my opinion, the only way to make this work (if they have to use these characters) is for this to be a what if story. an alternate Alien 3 showing what could of happend if different choices were made. this would work as it would not negate ALien 3 or ALien4. It would be like a choose your own adventure story. after finishing aliens, do you go on to witness Ripleys heroic act of saving the human race from the aliens or do you go on to find out wether the aliens wipe us out?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: T Dog on Feb 13, 2015, 01:45:45 PM
Just had a brainwave that would allow to bipass retconning and doing an alternative "what if" in a real way.
It might seem nuts at first but here it goes:

What if NB's story follows Ripley 8.
She learns about the Engineers and gets her hands on their technology, let's just say a ship.
She learns that the technology contains the ability to time travel (I know this is sounding fan fictiony, but it's plausible I think, also will link The ENgineers tech more into the "Alien" universe).
She travels back to a point between ALIENS and A3 and intercepts herself, Hicks and Newt - (it's the point where everything got irretrievably out of hand for both her and the franchise? She can save Newt now I suppose!)
This then changes the events leading to A3 so that never happens.
Now the company somehow now intercept and capture the 4 of them!
They take the Queen from original Ripley, return Newt to family on Earth and imprison original Ripley and Hicks (this will account for the aging of both actors).
Time passes - the company set up an ALIEN weapons installation (seen in the concept art).
Older Newt, traumatised by the events of Aliens but also infinitely enraged by the actions of the company is involved in an anti company guerrilla group (hey this keeps with Blomkamp's previous work).
This group rescues original Ripley and Hicks from prison (who have by now aged appropriately)
They try to take down the companies weapon installation.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 13, 2015, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 13, 2015, 01:45:45 PMtime travel

No no no no no no no no.

Please no time travel. No dreams. No pointless cloning of Hicks. No ACM-style "it was another guy in the tube" bullshit.

Just make a new movie with new people. It's by far the least disruptive and controversial course of action, and also the most creative.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 13, 2015, 02:25:19 PM
Part of the charm of the Alien films is that its grounded in reality. We don't see the Nostromo going to warp, we don't see the crew teleporting, etc. Everything looks as realistic as possible. Now as much as I'd like to see the Engineer's doing fantastical things...I'm not sure it'd jive. I just dunno.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: vikingr on Feb 13, 2015, 02:38:00 PM
^ that!
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Visceral_Mass on Feb 13, 2015, 02:45:27 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 13, 2015, 01:45:45 PM
Just had a brainwave that would allow to bipass retconning and doing an alternative "what if" in a real way.
It might seem nuts at first but here it goes:

What if NB's story follows Ripley 8.
She learns about the Engineers and gets her hands on their technology, let's just say a ship.
She learns that the technology contains the ability to time travel (I know this is sounding fan fictiony, but it's plausible I think, also will link The ENgineers tech more into the "Alien" universe).
She travels back to a point between ALIENS and A3 and intercepts herself, Hicks and Newt - (it's the point where everything got irretrievably out of hand for both her and the franchise? She can save Newt now I suppose!)
This then changes the events leading to A3 so that never happens.
Now the company somehow now intercept and capture the 4 of them!
They take the Queen from original Ripley, return Newt to family on Earth and imprison original Ripley and Hicks (this will account for the aging of both actors).
Time passes - the company set up an ALIEN weapons installation (seen in the concept art).
Older Newt, traumatised by the events of Aliens but also infinitely enraged by the actions of the company is involved in an anti company guerrilla group (hey this keeps with Blomkamp's previous work).
This group rescues original Ripley and Hicks from prison (who have by now aged appropriately)
They try to take down the companies weapon installation.

If the engineers could time travel and they wanted to get rid of humans, they would have just traveled back to the time the engineer was about to fall apart and be like "Dude, stop. We changed our minds, Humans suck in the future."

Or they could go back before the black goo became a problem.

The problem is, the ability to time travel opens up too many "why didn't they just do this?" scenarios.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 13, 2015, 02:51:14 PM
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Feb 13, 2015, 02:45:27 PM
If the engineers could time travel and they wanted to get rid of humans, they would have just traveled back to the time the engineer was about to fall apart and be like "Dude, stop. We changed our minds, Humans suck in the future."

xD Thank you so much for this. You have given me a right good chuckle.  ;D :D
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: T Dog on Feb 13, 2015, 02:53:42 PM
True That!
For the record:
I don't actually want them to bring back Hicks. I actually like A3 despite it being flawed. One of the original scripts with Hicks and Bishop leading a rebellion may have given us a more satisfying movie but I'm all for the looking forward and not trying to rewrite the past.
I was just throwing out a possibility on how they might bring him back if they are going in that direction.
Man I'd love another great Alien movie. I'm on team Blomkamp!
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 13, 2015, 03:40:26 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 13, 2015, 04:12:21 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 13, 2015, 01:11:58 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 12, 2015, 11:07:51 PM
you must not have played stasis inturupted

I haven't played it but i know all about it.  The way they shoe horned Hicks into that game was contrived and senseless.  It didn't further the plot or serve the story, it was just done for the sake of it.  Just so people could go "ohhh hicks is back, yeah!".  If they could come up with a novel way to reintroduce him to the series that's actually integral to the plot and not a blatant attempt to appeal to butt hurt fanboys I'd be all for it.

Blomkamp loves the metaphor of using an 'IMMIGRANT' as an 'ALIEN' and stressing that feeling of alienation... This makes me think he will certainly go with the Ripley 8 clone. A:R largely ended on that note when Ripley 8 states 'I'm a stranger here myself' she is stating that she has literally become an Alien to her own humanity and from her home 'Earth.'

I am thinking Blomkamp loves that idea.

Considering this^^^  and then taking into account that some time would have passed b/w A:R and Blomkamp's ALIEN: XENO, I can only assume that we will find Ripley as an alienated loner, at complete odds with the human race and possibly in existential crisis.

That said, if I had to guess, I'd  maybe go with Ripley 8 having something to do with Hick's cloning, in an attempt to find some kinship/test her attachment to another human?.. And of course, go all kamikaze and blow up Weyland Yutani headquarters together.


That's a really interesting take on Ripely's character, being the outsider, not being able to enter society anymore and being rejected.  Neil Blompkamp loves to explore themes of inequality and oppression in his films and this concept falls in line with that. I like it.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 04:29:57 PM

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 04:45:00 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 03:42:29 AM
I think I get what you mean, you're referring to Alien stories that take place in the universe but look at the world at a different angle, right?

What do you mean by looking at it from a different angle?

From a different character's perspective.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Samus007 on Feb 13, 2015, 05:33:06 PM
I don't think Hicks will be a clone. I know that's been mentioned here a few times as a guess as to what might be, but it makes no sense. He's had an artist draw up hicks with the burn marks on his face, why would a clone have those same burn marks? NB is a very creative guy and I am very excited to see how he pulls this all off. He doesn't strike me as the kind of director that will just do away with A3 and A4 via some dream sequence thing. For me, I really want to see Hicks again, he was my favorite character along with Ripley in the series, I just hope he finds a very creative way of getting them together again. It is Sci Fi after all.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 05:34:43 PM
Maybe they'll follow the canon set by A:CM regarding Hick's revival, the game is canon after all.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Samus007 on Feb 13, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 05:34:43 PM
Maybe they'll follow the canon set by A:CM regarding Hick's revival, the game is canon after all.

That is very possible. I know NB has played Isolation so I'm sure he's played CM too. If that's the case though, then the story would have to take place before Alien 4, unless Hicks went to sleep for 200 years give or take.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 13, 2015, 06:10:02 PM
Quote from: Samus007 on Feb 13, 2015, 05:37:32 PM

That is very possible. I know NB has played Isolation so I'm sure he's played CM too. If that's the case though, then the story would have to take place before Alien 4, unless Hicks went to sleep for 200 years give or take.

I highly doubt that Neil Blompkamp has played or cares about A:CM.  The game was made terribly and was absolutely decimated by every media outlet upon its release and was the subject of almost universal ridicule.

Quote from: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 05:34:43 PM
the game is canon after all.

Is it? I'm not calling you a liar, but from what I've seen of the evidence no one affiliated with fox has said so.  Just the people at gear box trying to give their game brownie points.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 13, 2015, 06:11:02 PM
Quote from: Samus007 on Feb 13, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 05:34:43 PM
Maybe they'll follow the canon set by A:CM regarding Hick's revival, the game is canon after all.

That is very possible. I know NB has played Isolation so I'm sure he's played CM too. If that's the case though, then the story would have to take place before Alien 4, unless Hicks went to sleep for 200 years give or take.

Ripley will still be dead between Alien 3 and 4.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 13, 2015, 06:13:24 PM
He did play Isolation, however.

https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/555478971060461568 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/555478971060461568)
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp\'s (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 13, 2015, 06:14:07 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 13, 2015, 08:35:17 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 13, 2015, 04:34:26 AMWho in his sane mind wants a CGI Alien?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a CGI Alien. So long as it's blended well with practical work, I don't see the issue.

that it will look like a comic book character like 99% of all CGI creatures.

And at one point, it will face the camera and roar while moving the head, with his saliva pouring out and a silly tongue moving around.

Also, will do incredible jumps and movements that will look silly. Because why hide it, if you can show everything you want? 

Its a horrifying idea.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp\'s (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Samus007 on Feb 13, 2015, 06:25:16 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 13, 2015, 06:10:02 PM
Quote from: Samus007 on Feb 13, 2015, 05:37:32 PM

That is very possible. I know NB has played Isolation so I'm sure he's played CM too. If that's the case though, then the story would have to take place before Alien 4, unless Hicks went to sleep for 200 years give or take.

I highly doubt that Neil Blompkamp has played or cares about A:CM.  The game was made terribly and was absolutely decimated by every media outlet upon its release and was the subject of almost universal ridicule.

Quote from: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 05:34:43 PM
the game is canon after all.

Is it? I'm not calling you a liar, but from what I've seen of the evidence no one affiliated with fox has said so.  Just the people at gear box trying to give their game brownie points.

Oh yeah, the game sucked no doubt there, but lots of hardcore Alien fans still played the game, and he has said many times he is a huge fan of the series, always has been.


Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 13, 2015, 06:11:02 PM
Quote from: Samus007 on Feb 13, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 05:34:43 PM
Maybe they'll follow the canon set by A:CM regarding Hick's revival, the game is canon after all.

That is very possible. I know NB has played Isolation so I'm sure he's played CM too. If that's the case though, then the story would have to take place before Alien 4, unless Hicks went to sleep for 200 years give or take.

Ripley will still be dead between Alien 3 and 4.

True. But who's to say she wasn't resurrected once already before A4, by WY or something. Not that thats what i want to see, just throwing that out there.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 13, 2015, 06:28:24 PM
I kind of have to agree with SOB. The #1 reason for using CGI is because you need your alien to 'do something a man in a suit can't do'. The thing is, as soon as an alien does something a man in a suit can't do, my brain tells me I'm looking at animation and the fear leaves me (exception: the rod puppet in Alien3 was creepy as hell, and it was only the compositing that spoiled the illusion).

That said, if you had to have a big wide shot of hundreds of aliens running along a la Lord of the Rings, then CG is obviously the only way to go.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Ulm on Feb 13, 2015, 07:36:31 PM
I have a strange suspicion that The Chappie directed by NB may crash and floppat the B.O. Do we think NB would be allowed to get his hands anywhere near the A franchise if this does in fact happen?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 13, 2015, 07:46:13 PM
Doesn't make a difference to me. I'm infinitely more excited for Chappie than I am for this right now anyways. I doubt Chappie's going to bomb, though. It didn't have a very big budget and it doesn't seem to be getting related at a time with a lot of heavy competition.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 07:56:30 PM

Quote from: marrerom on Feb 13, 2015, 06:10:02 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 05:34:43 PM
the game is canon after all.

Is it? I'm not calling you a liar, but from what I've seen of the evidence no one affiliated with fox has said so.  Just the people at gear box trying to give their game brownie points.

When the game came out, I believe Fox said themselves that the game was canon, I remember reading that here on the forum at the time.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 13, 2015, 08:09:10 PM
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Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 13, 2015, 08:19:47 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 13, 2015, 08:09:10 PM
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Those guys are great. I love that they put out these little images for the fans  :laugh:

*edit*

I cant get the link to work. Any Idea what the article said?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 08:28:18 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 13, 2015, 08:09:10 PM
http://www.theterminatorfans.com/exclusive-david-woodruff-on-alien-5-hicks-revival-r-rated-terminator-movie-avp3-and-more/ (http://www.theterminatorfans.com/exclusive-david-woodruff-on-alien-5-hicks-revival-r-rated-terminator-movie-avp3-and-more/)

That link isn't working for for some reason. All I am getting is a white blank page and it's indicating it's still loading. It's been ten minutes and nothing is showing up. Now I am getting a Database Error message.

So can someone copy and paste the article for me behind a spoiler here?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 13, 2015, 08:35:13 PM
It wasn't working for me before, worked briefly when I posted it, and now it's not working again. :-\ If/when it does I'll be sure to copy/paste.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 13, 2015, 08:39:39 PM
Quote from: Ulm on Feb 13, 2015, 07:36:31 PM
I have a strange suspicion that The Chappie directed by NB may crash and floppat the B.O. Do we think NB would be allowed to get his hands anywhere near the A franchise if this does in fact happen?

He's taking a bit of a risk because Chappie is pretty "out there". But early screenings have been positive, rating it somewhere between D9 and Elysium. Of course a good film doesn't automatically guarantee a good box office, take Dredd and Blade Runner for example.

Even if it does flop at the box office, D9 and Elysium were still considered successful enterprises. It's not like his career will be over or anything.

Blomkamp was actually a pretty sneaky little prawn posting all that Alien 5 concept art. It's generating a lot of interest on the interwebz and Chappie is piggybacking on all that publicity.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 13, 2015, 08:50:49 PM
Hey Rakai - you can get it cached, I think their site is down, but here you go (there are some image descriptors and tags in the cut and paste below). I also posted another of their articles ("How Alien 5 could repair the damage of Alien3") under it for completeness  but its not "news" its just fan theory and wishing.

Spoiler
January 1st, 2015

The demand for the return of Sigourney Weaver in an Alien movie is growing. Alien 3 had a troubled shoot and ultimately made fans angry by killing off Newt and Hicks (Biehn). Michael Biehn also played Kyle Reese from the first two Terminator movies; The Terminator (1984) and Terminator 2 Judgment Day (Extended Cut – T-1000 Edition) . Michael made no secret that he wanted to continue the Hicks role and was gutted he didn't get to continue it. Instead he was killed off screen and thrown a fee for his likeness to be used in the movie on a computer screen (HUD – Alien 3).

Alien Ressurection 'Alienated' fans even more, it had some redeeming features like Xenomorphs in water, the 'resurrection' of the Ripley character and similar to T3 an ending that was a strong set-up for a continuation/sequel in which Ripley arrives on earth but those slimy Aliens arrived there before she did... I genuinely thought Alien 5 would have been Earth/War/Hive similar to the Dark Horse comics.

Neil Bloomkamp who directed Elysium and District 9 has revealed he was working on an Alien project which would bring Ripley (Weaver) back in a 5th Theatrical production and not only that Michael Biehn's Hicks character is revived but with a scarred face. #WOW

Michael Biehn Hicks Revival Alien 5
Bloomkamp: "Awesome Art by Geoffroy Thoorens #hicks "
This seems like it would have been a continuation/sequel as Biehn has facial damage from the acid blood of Xenomorph that dripped onto his Hypersleep Chamber!

Bloomkamp posted the following concept Art to his Instagram. He states it doesn't look like the movie will happen anymore so he is releasing the concept art.


Again a project that will excite die hard fans of an iconic franchise seems to be put on the scrap heap... this is beyond infuriating... does this mean they are going to reboot Alien with a younger cast instead? I'm not even interested in Prometheus 2... I was sold on the original concept Paradise! but instead of making one great epic movie they had to milk 3 sequels so they give us new creatures in place of the original scripted xenomorphs to MILK IT! If the return of Ripley and Hicks wasn't #BADASS enough then the return of the #BITCH from Jim Cameron's hit sequel 'Aliens' was another sure fire hit for moviegoers.


Each image makes us hate Hollywood a little more...

Hopefully fans will fight this one out and force the studio to give in for once! Make this movie! Make it Rated R and they WILL fill the seats.

Also judging by the concept the studio project title seems to be ALIEN XENO.

Bring Michael Biehn back as Hicks FFS! If studios continue to ignore fans they will eventually withdraw support for movies that don't even consider them or give them what they want. People in suits need to stop imposing BS on fans and thinking their superior intellect and young faces will bring more money in from children than the people who matter most... THE F*CKING FANS!

WEAVER! BIEHN! GREAT SCRIPT! RATED R! MAKE IT HAPPEN! THE END!

Michael Biehn himself is also interested in what you think about this story...

Let Hicks (Biehn) know what you think about the recent news! share a comment on his fan page and make sure you like his page as a vote for his return as Hicks! The fans now need to start uniting in these matters, you are the consumer, you have to live with these movies. Use your power to make Hollywood listen to you, social media is now the tool.

To our knowledge 20th Century Fox hold the rights of 'Alien', put on the pressure, consume their social media pages with #MichaelBiehn and #Hicks! Make them listen!

UPDATE:

"Ps this has nothing to do with the studio. I just feel like I might do something else instead. In which case why not show some work"
(unverified Twitter Account for Neil Bloomkamp)

What a tease! 20th Century Fox... if Neil walks away please use his work as the basis for the next movie and make it a horror sci-fi, the fans are crying out for one!

Hicks Ripley Alien 5
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January 5th, 2015

We may be a Terminator fan site but Alien 3 is very important to look at in understanding why our favorite movie franchises have gone down the pan. It's important, as fans, that we educate ourselves in how Hollywood deals with sequels and conceives these projects; this article was constructed with this in mind, to allow you the viewer to understand the way studios think and operate when creating a new movie to a successful franchise. Once a movie leaves it's original creators we are left with emotionally detached people in control of the property, usually these people are not fans at all but instead trend-spotters and other such people who want to take the chance to cash in on fandom and love, without care for how they execute the movie itself. Once you have been to the cinema and watched the movie you have already parted with your money and there is no way to get it back. They win every-time and we are just the dumb fools who fall for it every-time; waiting in hope for a great movie that will probably never happen.

Unless you are living under a rock you will have seen trending news that District 9 Director Neill Blomkamp was working on a pitch to bring back Ripley and Hicks for a new installment of the Alien franchise (Alien 5) and we sense the pitch was/is a continuation in the canon Alien franchise.

I watched Alien 3 as a child and ultimately I did not enjoy the movie as much as I should have, in retrospect now as an adult Alien 3 now seems a cut above a majority of Hollywood movies (that isn't hard with the trash movies we are subjected to these days) but is still left a mess because of the studio.

Ripley Alien 3
I don't actually think the movie is as bad as I originally thought it just felt incomplete and lacking. I wanted to take the time to explore what went wrong with this movie and to also relate back to this movie to see if a Ripley/Hick's revival movie would be a good move for studios and fans across the world and also in relation to the Terminator franchise. The simple answer is that the problem lies with the studios themselves, money and 'people in suits' or in this age people who turn up to the office in a T-Shirt, shorts and trainers.

Problem Number 1 – No solid concept or pre-production:

20th Century Fox needed money, so with a shortsighted view to fast-track some cash- they decided to give a release date for Alien 3 without having a story/script.

The following Teaser Trailer was released,- totally confusing the viewing audience...



Anyone watching this trailer would presume the movie would be set on Earth. "On Earth everyone can hear you scream" a take on the original "In space no-one can hear you scream".

The trailer did seem to be the initial starting block for the project.

Problem 2 – 20th Century Fox and their money obsessed Studio Executives and Producers wasting time and money developing an idea they ultimately dropped, so why bother in the first place?

The first director involved wanted to do something different and to take viewers to the home planet of the Aliens themselves but studios deemed the setting as being too costly. The studios wanted more Aliens, more guns and a scary movie. The director classed what the execs wanted to do as more of the same and he jumped ship.

Cost-wise Earth would have been a cheaper cost in terms of a location rather than the planet of the Aliens themselves. Back then we didn't have everyone acting on green screen CGI backdrops... they would have created sets like Alien 3 that are built to scale and are costly but you have to admit it looks real and far better than the CGI trash we watch these days.

After setting a release date studios were on the search for a director with ideas based on their concept of 'Alcatraz in space', this idea was enhanced with a director from New Zealand; Vincent Ward, who turned the prison idea into a wooden environment/Monk Monastery floating in space but the studios wanted those monks to be turned back into prisoners and the environment to be changed into an old mining/factory facility.

Vincent Ward's Alien 3 idea was signed off on and he was locked in as Director. His concept was bizarre and would merge our future with a past setting in a defunct space station (The Arceon) with a metal outer covering but a wooden interior with hundreds of floors, monasteries and cathedrals. The space station itself had the inner workings of farms, wheat fields, sheep and other animals which would have become Alien Hybrids. All lighting in the station would have been provided by monks positioning mirrors to bring light into the rooms and floors of the vessel- quite similar to how the ancient Egyptians would light the interiors of pyramids. The monks didn't want to be part of modern society so they were outcast to this old defunct station which they modified into a world from the past and outcast into space. On top of the vessel which is reminiscent of the death star from the Star Wars movies but made of wood with the metal outer-covering and all its inner workings like waterwheels etc, providing a layer of atmosphere around the vessel, a lake sits at the top which Ripley's escape pod lands in..
Arceon Landing Alien 3

No mention of Hicks, and Newt is also missing but all that remains is Newt's bloody clothing, the monks save Ripley but blame her for killing Newt against her warnings of the Alien, the Monks see her as a form of temptation that they must get rid of (like the movie Black Narcissus where one man appears in a monastery full of nuns on top of the Himalayas) the monks then cut off Ripley's hair and dump her in the bowels of the ship. Many elements from this concept did end up in the final movie. The concept, even though liked by those involved including Ms Weaver, started to make the studio worry that it was too outlandish for the series, causing them to backtrack, wasting precious time and money. In backing out of the idea and forcing the director to change his ideas it all fell apart and forced the next director (David Fincher) to work with an idea that was not fully developed and sets that had already been half built. Thus causing strict parameters he had to work within; restricting his own vision for the project.

So basically they didn't allow the directors to do what they wanted- instead they constantly kept forcing whichever director got involved to reshape the movie back into an early pitch created after the Earth pitch was dropped. Treating the directors like shit and sucking their creativity and soul into not wanting to be involved with the project.

So David Fincher (probably not realizing the mess he was walking into) was called on board, he had worked for Industrial Light and Magic so he was familiar with the effects industry and had some experience directing music videos... the studios wanted someone who wasn't on the map Director-wise but regardless of the talent Fincher has (which he has proven over the years) was this just another way for the studio to pay a lesser wage? They did have early words with Ridley Scott and James Cameron about a sequel but it never went ahead with them. Rumor has it Cameron was shown an early version of one of those awful scripts and he wasn't interested instead his focus was Terminator 2: Judgment Day.

The execs behavior obviously caused Sigourney Weaver to describe the set of Alien 3 as 'The Rats Nest' and their unrelenting hassling and exhausting shoots had no mercy for anyone involved, the majority of the shoot took place at Pinewood Studios in London UK on the famous Bond stage. The studios had everything pegged and any director involved was under constant surveillance through hired personal assistants and moles. The majority of this was done via phone calls to these planted individuals from Los Angeles...

Quite honestly aside from Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff Jnr and their team of practical VFX people,- the majority of the US crew bitched and moaned about gore, cost, time and much more while the UK crew had clear visions of what they were doing and didn't complain about issues involving money but instead about what prevented this movie being good.

Alien 3 had the making of a good movie but those Executives just wouldn't let that be the case.

Problem 3 – Discussing dropping Ripley and focusing on a male hero instead:

This pitch would most likely have resulted in killing Ripley off and focusing on Michael Biehn or another male actor as the lead for the movie. Apparently the second movie didn't draw enough women into theaters so the idea was to drop Ripley. It was obviously decided that this wouldn't go down well with fans and rightly so. Sigourney Weaver's Ripley is the only real continuity that has made the Alien series canon, regardless of later under-achieving installments.

Alien 3 Ripley
Again these discussions wasted more time with more 'round table meetings with Execs'.

This was the second time they had talked about ditching the Ripley character; the first time was during Aliens but Jim Cameron wouldn't hear of it... again the issue of saving money was the reasoning...

Problem 4 – Killing off Newt and Hicks (with fans):

While this outraged fans in retrospect I believe this was actually a smart move. Studios did discuss Ripley, Newt and Hicks returning to Earth as a family unit with another certain estranged family member drooling acid and hiding in a vent. Weaver stated that even though Ripley as a character wanted nothing more than a family and a child (after losing her real daughter to time and space) it was wrong to do so for the character and it would corrupt the whole hardened loner concept of the character.

Newt Alien 3 Dead
Did we really need to see Ripley dragging around a child for another movie? This is more of a Jim Cameron style of idea as he always likes to play on parental issues and Romeo and Juliet in his movies. Terminator Genisys will make Arnold Schwarzenegger a surrogate father once again with Skydance cloning that element from Terminator 2: Judgment Day and in our opinion is taking that idea too far and is simply a cynical ploy to play to the younger audience. Alien 3 the family unit version could have been so cheesy.

Alien 3 Hicks Dead
Chest burst Hicks is unidentifiable... leading to the possible question of is this corpse actually him? ; )

Thanks to Michael Biehn's legal pursuits with his agent he may have saved this character to live for another day! We will discuss this in more detail later on this article.

Problem 5 – Only one Alien and no weaponry (again a fan problem):

One element the studio did give in on was not to have loads of Aliens and hi-tech weaponry in the movie; again in retrospect, now I appreciate this idea whether this was to save money or to aid a good story is another question entirely but this did take the series back to its roots of a claustrophobic environment and one Alien, taking weaponry away and leaving Ripley in a hopeless situation. Alien 3 is closer to the original in terms of suspense and a sci-fi thriller.

Problem  6 – Filming without a finished script:

A couple of scripts had started to be developed with the early Directors on board but they were so bad they caused a strike of people involved with the movie, instead of delaying the movie and giving David Fincher time to realize his own vision and movie- they decided to hire writers to write on set on the day of filming scenes etc. This had been done on other movies but we doubt so messily. Remember that Alien 3 was all based on a release date and not really in creating a solid movie (very much like the disastrous RoboCop 2 in which Orion was so desperate to get a Robo movie out to make money to save the studios ass that they made a below par, incoherent movie).

RoboCop 2 Poster
Problem 7 – The severe pressure David Fincher was placed Under as a Director:

I feel for David Fincher I really do, he has taken flack over the years (that he really has not deserved) and he has had to fight to prove his place in Hollywood unlike many talentless hacks out there. I can not imagine the sleepless nights and stress he underwent making this movie. His task was beyond impossible and we are lucky the film turned out as good as it did, visually the movie is true to Alien and striking, the ideas he brought to the table probably stopped this movie sucking as much ass as Alien Resurrection did. Another crew member shipped over from the USA by 20th decided it would be a good idea to cut the second camera unit to keep more costs down. Leaving David without important back-up shots should they be required doubling the pressure even more.

David Fincher Alien 5
David Fincher actually has some balls and he did try to fight the studio in regards to their demands and bitching but how can one man take on a Global Corporate movie studio?

David to this date is still so unhappy with how production of Alien 3 went that he refuses to take part in interviews for home releases (DVD/Blu-Ray Releases) as a fan of the Alien franchise it is still an obviously touchy subject for him to talk about and if he honestly talked about it 20th Century Fox most likely wouldn't be very happy about what he has to say. His silence speaks a million words and in doing so he doesn't jeopardize his career or future possibilities with 20th Century Fox. Also nobody on set has anything bad to say about him; he is liked as a person and professional top actors like Weaver and Shakespearean Actor Charles Dance said Fincher's approach to film-making and the way he did things was very impressive.

Problem 8 – Lack of Character Development:

Fincher did attempt to give us full characters but most of this hit the cutting room floor, character arcs and scenes were chopped all in aid of "selling popcorn" according the movie's composer Elliot Goldenthal when he was called back to recompose the ending after numerous ending changes. Leaving fans with characters they didn't really give a f**k about.

Back to the subject of that rumor that James Cameron had read an early draft of the script, it turned out his ending in T2 was awfully similar to Alien 3's forcing 20th Century Fox into more despair and desperation to change the ending of their movie. James Cameron has always been subject to plagiarism cases/accusations and well, we won't say much more. The similarities of the final act of T2 and Alien 3 are there to see for yourself. Had the original intended ending for Alien 3 had been used Alien 3 would have been accused of copying the king of Pandora.

Problem 9 – Studio shutting down production on an unfinished movie and editing:

The film was incomplete but 20th Century Fox was steaming ahead for a release.

When the movie was in an unfinished state it had racked up over 3 hours of footage, this all had to be chopped down all in aid of making sure the movie could be shown as many times as possible per night giving 20th Century Fox as much money as possible.

Key scenes were edited that- as mentioned destroyed character development, key scenes, important story telling devices. At one time it wasn't popular to have a movie that ran for over 3 hours... I remember when a movie like Dances with Wolves, Stephen King's IT would be televised in parts on separate nights of the week. Long movies were not the done thing... come James Cameron's Titanic it was almost a popular thing to do a 3hr+ runtime on a movie.

After chopping the movie down into a viewable state it was decided what additional scenes needed to be filmed in order to call it a finished product and ready for release. Meaning months later re-shoots took place... something we have discussed in relation to making Terminator Genisys Rated R, people say once a movies been filmed in PG-13 you can't do anything about it and studios would love you to believe that but it isn't true.

So if Alien 3 was an incomplete movie at the 3 hour mark then its eventual runtime of 2 hours and 25 minutes just simply isn't a finished product and even the additional cut released on DVD etc is still far from complete.

Alien 3 is a smarter film than we can ever give it credit for but unless they allow Fincher to go back and release a true Director's cut we will never know the movie's real potential.

Problem 10 – Franchise= Downfall:

At one time film studios put effort into making compelling movies with awesome stories to get a good sequel is a rarity but to get a good trilogy is even harder especially when the studios main focus is not the movie itself but the money it needs from that property to save its own ass from making other bad movies. Franchises become open to being used as tools to line pockets and not to give fans a unique viewer experience.

Problem 11 – Bad CGI Alien:

What more do we need to say about the CGI Alien in Alien 3? Practical effects always win! CGI was a huge let down and usually always is in moves like Alien and Terminator. Give the fans models, miniatures, suit performers and more practical gags and make these beasts look scary. In the Aliens and Predator movies we see so much of the creatures that they become, almost childish, like a bunch of friendly cos-players hanging out in the woods. Bring the threat of the Xenomorphs back and install fear in the viewer with 'on the edge of your seat tension!'.

Problem 12 – How do we revive Corp. Hicks (Michael Biehn):

Not so much a problem with Alien 3 but instead connecting Alien 3 to Alien 5. Simple... Weyland Yutani executed a cover-up organized and collaborated between Weycorp and the Prison Warden from Alien 3. We see a vague body of Hicks but he is not recognizable... this is because Michael Biehn and his agent said they would sue 20th Century Fox if they displayed his likeness on a corpse that had been chest busted. This could simply be a corpse of an inmate (they did have a morgue) put in his place and Hicks would have been put in solitary confinement for interrogation on the arrival of Weycorp...

Weyland Corp
So far the Alien franchise is canon (thank god for that) bringing Michael Biehn back in a non-canon movie would be a huge mistake but if this is a continuation I would be accepting in reuniting Ripley and Hicks again. Plot holes could be filled in and explained; enriching the story of the Aliens franchise even more.

Michael Biehn Hicks Revival Alien 5
I'm aware that Hicks was revived in a SEGA computer game called Colonial Marines, I am not sure of the plot device used in the game but I am interested to find out. If you know about it, tell us in the comments below...

Right now the Alien franchise is far more exciting to me than Terminator; yes, both franchises have had bad installments but Terminator stopped being canon at T3 and sadly this leaves me with little love left for Terminator and more love for Alien. However should 20th Century Fox not do a continuation I will also lose any passion for that too.

Neill Blomkamp has come up with a good concept but apparently says he may want to do something else. Maybe we can right a wrong here by allowing David Fincher to come back (with no stupid deadline and for 20th Century Fox) to give him the chance to do a movie without sticking their beaks into 'his work'.

A David Fincher/Neil Bloomkamp creative collaboration could make a special movie and give old school hardcore fans a movie they would actually enjoy.

A Ripley/Hicks feature movie could indeed add to Alien 3's mythos by filling in a secret plot-line that could ultimately make fan appreciation for Alien 3 greater than could be imagined!

A Hick's revival would make Alien Fans very happy and make even more money for the studio; but please,- make the movie scary and bloody like the first 3, that is one of the things Alien 3 did get right.

There are more problems with Alien 3 and even more problems with Alien Resurrection but we'd be here all year if I was to rant on about them.

Another thing; bring back 2 important Android models; Lance Henriksen (Bishop) and Sir Ian Holm (Ash)! 2 credible Actors who would bring even more substance to the movie, I would be interested to see them either portray Androids or human character versions that are perhaps the basis for the likeness, perhaps scientific villains who work for Weyland Yutani or ironically they could play ruthless suited executives who work for the sinister corporation ; ) .

So, would you like to see Michael Biehn return as Hicks alongside Weaver in an Alien continuation that compliments Alien 3 while still keeping the series canon?


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Quote from: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 07:56:30 PM

Quote from: marrerom on Feb 13, 2015, 06:10:02 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 05:34:43 PM
the game is canon after all.

Is it? I'm not calling you a liar, but from what I've seen of the evidence no one affiliated with fox has said so.  Just the people at gear box trying to give their game brownie points.

When the game came out, I believe Fox said themselves that the game was canon, I remember reading that here on the forum at the time.

Definitely, I remember finding the launch link for a thread a while back - one of the execs definitely said it was canon, a sequel to Aliens.

Quote from: Ulm on Feb 13, 2015, 07:36:31 PM
I have a strange suspicion that The Chappie directed by NB may crash and floppat the B.O. Do we think NB would be allowed to get his hands anywhere near the A franchise if this does in fact happen?

Yeah, I mentioned this a few pages back: that really would throw a spanner in the works (regardless if you're Team RetCon or Team 8 - this project has to be something we'd all like to see in some form?) but a lot rests on Chappie. If it's a fail, Blomkamp's stock will fall (shit, what a business), but if it doesn't then if he wants this project, you can take that to the bank. The Blood Bank (cue "Hard to Kill" music.").

In the article I posted he says that "it's not, Fox, it's me" - (re getting the project off the ground) which to me smacks of backtracking now it's gathering a lot of traction. And fair play to the man, he doesn't want to say "that bloke at Fox is a twat" if he wants to work with them on this (and other things of course).

But you raise the most salient point here: If Chappie bombs, this entire project will be nuked from orbit. But if Chappie is a hit - we'll be in the pipe, 5 by 5.

Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 13, 2015, 09:00:02 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 07:56:30 PM

Quote from: marrerom on Feb 13, 2015, 06:10:02 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 13, 2015, 05:34:43 PM
the game is canon after all.

Is it? I'm not calling you a liar, but from what I've seen of the evidence no one affiliated with fox has said so.  Just the people at gear box trying to give their game brownie points.

When the game came out, I believe Fox said themselves that the game was canon, I remember reading that here on the forum at the time.

The only thing I've seen that people have referred to as evidence is this link:

[url]http://www.warpzoned.com/2012/04/aliens-colonial-marines-is-officially-part-of-movie-canon-wii-u-version-is-not-a-port/]http://www.warpzoned.com/2012/04/aliens-colonial-marines-is-officially-part-of-movie-canon-wii-u-version-is-not-a-port/] [url]http://www.warpzoned.com/2012/04/aliens-colonial-marines-is-officially-part-of-movie-canon-wii-u-version-is-not-a-port/ (http://[url=http://www.warpzoned.com/2012/04/aliens-colonial-marines-is-officially-part-of-movie-canon-wii-u-version-is-not-a-port/)[/url]

Chris Faylor is one who the article is citing as its source. He the Community Manager for Gearbox and not in anyway affiliated with fox.  The guy doesn't even know if Prometheus is canon or not. If there is another source that I've missed please let me know but this just look like a developer trying give his company's game brownie points with the fans.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 13, 2015, 09:06:01 PM
I can't recall Fox ever coming forward and saying ACM is canon.

However, there is this little gem from ACM's writer:

Quote from: Mikey Neumann"I did get to submit some canonical stuff about the life cycle of the Alien. I added to that in what I thought was a really clever way, and it's cool. I totally submitted shit that is now canonical Alien life-cycle stuff. I can talk at Comic-Con and be, 'Ha ha, I'm an expert! Me and like, two people!' No, it's f**king awesome."
~ Mikey Neumann, lead writer, destructoid.com, 2012


Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 13, 2015, 09:16:39 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 13, 2015, 09:06:01 PM
A can't recall Fox ever coming forward and saying ACM is canon.

I'm fairly certain that it never happened. 


Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 13, 2015, 09:37:24 PM
Movie canon is the only canon.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 13, 2015, 10:03:26 PM
Fox told gearbox it would be canon, and i dont remember the article but fox said so in an interview or something its been too long to recall though.

Nightmares and clones are pretty piss poor excuses to bring back hicks. I could see hicks being an android set in time past A:R, as a ploy by a company to get ripley to od some weird alien telepath/connection thing to find more. that sounds ridicoulous and fanficy like, time travel, cloning or nightmares though.

and Put of shadows, sea of sorrows and river of pain are considered canon now too arent they?  along with the Fire and stone series. Not that it added much to the overall story except goo makes things come to bio-mechanical life.

Chappie doesnt look bad, but.. it looks... like it doesnt know if its a kid movie about a robot that goes on an adventure to save itself and friends or and adult action sccifi that does the same thing. Im not currently planning on seeing it in theatres.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Nightgaunt on Feb 14, 2015, 12:11:07 AM
If for some reason Hicks and Ellen Ripley were to return in Alien 5, I'm proposing that Alien 3 is not Ripley's bad dream, but a bad memory. Just ask David Fincher. But seriously, human memory kind of sucks. Just this week, NBC's Brian Williams remembered that he wasn't actually in a helicopter as it went down in Iraq. He said he made a 'mistake' remembering the events.

Plus, isn't it true that much of what we remember is largely reconstructed? ( Like fragmented files in a hard drive, maybe?)  Could trauma or manipulation affect that process?   

So what if the events of Alien 3 are a character's flawed/ misremembered/ manipulated recollection of what really happened on Fury 161?  Anyone buy this as way to get Ellen Ripley and Hicks back onscreen without writing off A3 or A4 as a nightmare?  Whatever happens I 'd still love to see an Alien 5.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 14, 2015, 12:15:46 AM
They're all too old. Just reboot the franchise. Alien doesn't need Ripley. It just needs well written, fully developed characters like Ripley
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 14, 2015, 12:26:33 AM
why reboot it, leave the orignal and just make new story arc
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: T Dog on Feb 14, 2015, 12:34:24 AM
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 14, 2015, 12:15:46 AM
They're all too old. Just reboot the franchise. Alien doesn't need Ripley. It just needs well written, fully developed characters like Ripley

Shaw was a great character! ;)I really bought the late 21st century Christian angle! :laugh:
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 14, 2015, 01:03:39 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 14, 2015, 12:34:24 AM
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 14, 2015, 12:15:46 AM
They're all too old. Just reboot the franchise. Alien doesn't need Ripley. It just needs well written, fully developed characters like Ripley

Shaw was a great character! ;)I really bought the late 21st century Christian angle! :laugh:

Shes not a bad actor but i didnt care for her character very much and the religious aspect felt extremely forced
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: T Dog on Feb 14, 2015, 01:56:37 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 14, 2015, 01:03:39 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 14, 2015, 12:34:24 AM
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 14, 2015, 12:15:46 AM
They're all too old. Just reboot the franchise. Alien doesn't need Ripley. It just needs well written, fully developed characters like Ripley

Shaw was a great character! ;)I really bought the late 21st century Christian angle! :laugh:

Shes not a bad actor but i didnt care for her character very much and the religious aspect felt extremely forced

I was being sarcastic in case you thought otherwise. Shaw was awful. Michael Fassbender was the only actor in that movie who's talent was properly harnessed.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 14, 2015, 04:37:24 AM
did not knwo it was sarcasm

/s is a great way to indicate sarcasm iincase you didnt know

"she was such a good actor /s"
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 14, 2015, 07:07:36 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 13, 2015, 10:03:26 PM
I could see hicks being an android set in time past A:R, as a ploy by a company to get ripley to od some weird alien telepath/connection thing to find more.

I think this is the best idea so far in terms of how to incorporate hicks into a new Alien film.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: predxeno on Feb 14, 2015, 07:58:20 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 14, 2015, 01:03:39 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 14, 2015, 12:34:24 AM
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 14, 2015, 12:15:46 AM
They're all too old. Just reboot the franchise. Alien doesn't need Ripley. It just needs well written, fully developed characters like Ripley

Shaw was a great character! ;)I really bought the late 21st century Christian angle! :laugh:

Shes not a bad actor but i didnt care for her character very much and the religious aspect felt extremely forced

Tbh, the religious factor was supposed to be a BIG part of the film but ended up only being nudged in when convenient.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 14, 2015, 08:49:02 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 13, 2015, 10:03:26 PMI could see hicks being an android set in time past A:R, as a ploy by a company to get ripley to od some weird alien telepath/connection thing to find more.

Why would she trust someone she knows has been dead for hundreds of years?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Kelgaard on Feb 14, 2015, 09:58:01 AM
I just hope this buzz continues past April 1st.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 14, 2015, 10:52:58 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 14, 2015, 08:49:02 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 13, 2015, 10:03:26 PMI could see hicks being an android set in time past A:R, as a ploy by a company to get ripley to od some weird alien telepath/connection thing to find more.

Why would she trust someone she knows has been dead for hundreds of years?


I didnt say it was a good idea.. it but it does seem kinda like a WY thing "heres a friendly face" or he has been floating through space in cryo for hundreds of years(which is a lie) and they could use Aliens cm.. but lets face it anything like what i just said would be absolutely awful. i  just really really hope they just do something new.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: marrerom on Feb 14, 2015, 03:50:17 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 14, 2015, 08:49:02 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 13, 2015, 10:03:26 PMI could see hicks being an android set in time past A:R, as a ploy by a company to get ripley to od some weird alien telepath/connection thing to find more.

Why would she trust someone she knows has been dead for hundreds of years?


Well the idea would be that Hicks would create some cover story to explain away his existence and why he's here now.  Its all lies of course and his real role would be to manipulate Ripley. Its a far better idea then having Alien 3 be a dream or something along those lines and it serves the plot better then what they did in A:CM.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 14, 2015, 03:51:35 PM
...They're never going to do something like that.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 14, 2015, 04:01:31 PM
Assuming they ever retcon Alien 3 out of existence, I don't know why people keep assuming it would have to be explained as a dream or a memory or a coverup or whatever. If they retcon it then in all likelihood they'll just continue on as if the film was never made.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 14, 2015, 04:28:03 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 14, 2015, 04:01:31 PM
Assuming they ever retcon Alien 3 out of existence, I don't know why people keep assuming it would have to be explained as a dream or a memory or a coverup or whatever. If they retcon it then in all likelihood they'll just continue on as if the film was never made.

Maybe some people do not want a reboot in this franchise, and that is why some are hoping for a very elaborate and convoluted explanation (ie; Alien 3 "exists" after all, but in a more surreal way). That, or they just hate Alien 3 and Resurrection. But if this is the case...then an explanation is not required, and as you said, they can continue as if the film had never existed.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 14, 2015, 04:36:52 PM
Regardless of what people "want" (I'd like for Hicks to just stay dead, myself), why would Fox limit the filmmakers into creating some convoluted explanation to justify the film's existence when instead they can just make the new movie and view it as its own thing?
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 14, 2015, 04:47:12 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 14, 2015, 04:01:31 PM
Assuming they ever retcon Alien 3 out of existence, I don't know why people keep assuming it would have to be explained as a dream or a memory or a coverup or whatever. If they retcon it then in all likelihood they'll just continue on as if the film was never made.
Exactly. Superman Returns did not bother with similar things.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 14, 2015, 05:13:45 PM
I think it's likely that this happens in three ways:

Alien 5: Probably because Sigourney Weaver and Neill Blomkamp want to end the story of Ripley (and have raised a lot of Hype in fans). In addition, Fox seems to have the idea that Ripley is the soul of the franchise.

Standalone film (ala Predators): Probably because they have no idea how to continue the story of Ripley. That is, short and simple; a movie with new characters, new establishment and new story.

Reboot: Something that Hollywood loves, and a good strategy to attract the public of the new generations in order to make more money.

BTW, retcon Alien 3 out of existence is possible, but for now it is just speculation (like my words anyway XD)
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 14, 2015, 05:22:20 PM
The comment from Weaver a couple days ago did make it seem like this could possibly be Ripley 8. What that could possibly mean for Hicks, however, I have absolutely no clue.

Guess we'll have to wait if/when something official is ever announced to know just what's up.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 14, 2015, 06:42:32 PM
Fans of a retcon which includes Hicks and Newt are invited to join facebook.com/Aliens.Continuity.Change.  We post all the latest information on the Alien 5 movie...
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: predxeno on Feb 14, 2015, 07:33:20 PM
Just joined. :)
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Kelgaard on Feb 14, 2015, 08:01:25 PM
QuoteWe post all the latest information on the Alien 5 movie...

Eh, AVPGalaxy is already doing a good job with that.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 14, 2015, 08:27:23 PM
I think AVPGalaxy is doing a fantastic job.  That goes without saying.  But for articles specifically related to this theme I think you will find we also have a pretty good list of articles.  Some are different.  Anyway, no need to leave AVPGalaxy if you join Aliens Continuity Change...
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 14, 2015, 09:28:42 PM
Not in favor of retconning, and dont support it. Aliens CM did a fantastic job of it already with hicks/s
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Kelgaard on Feb 14, 2015, 10:40:09 PM
A:CM was an example of a bad retcon, but I wouldn't penalize Blomkamp for that.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Gash on Feb 14, 2015, 11:27:42 PM
I have little interest in Alien 5 - especially if Ripley is trundled out again. Even less interest if Hicks or, God help us, Newt is part of the thing.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 15, 2015, 12:50:11 AM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 14, 2015, 10:40:09 PM
A:CM was an example of a bad retcon, but I wouldn't penalize Blomkamp for that.

But look at who approved it, Fox. Granted we dont know how much they knew abut the story but it was still something they approved, they seemed a lot better about it with isolation, the newest set of novels and fire and stone wasnt too bad. But i would rather them just "play it safe" and do something new and leave the originals alone

ANd by play it saf ei mean dont screw up whats already on rocky ground. Fans cant agree on alien 3 half the time as it is, colonial marines muddied it up and trying to add, or remove anything will jsut make things messier and more complicated than it needs to be.

The only problem i really see is , who all over in fox actually gives a damn about the Alien universe or us(the fans).
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Kelgaard on Feb 15, 2015, 11:02:23 AM
Fox has always been an obstacle.  Just look at how much O'Bannon and Scott had to fight to get their vision of Alien to the screen.

The problem with a lot of Alien material isn't the concept, but the execution.  The entire production of Alien 3 could have been handled better, the Newborn could have been designed better, and I've discussed many times how AVP could have been done much better with roughly the same plot and budget.

The return of Ripley and Hicks isn't going to be what makes or breaks this possible movie.  That will depend on Blomkamp's execution.

Quote from: Gash on Feb 14, 2015, 11:27:42 PM
I have little interest in Alien 5 - especially if Ripley is trundled out again. Even less interest if Hicks or, God help us, Newt is part of the thing.

We're making pleas to the Almighty now?  Then I pray this movie gets made and I hope it makes every last purist and A3 fan melt like the wicked witch from the Wizard of Oz.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 15, 2015, 12:35:48 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 14, 2015, 03:51:35 PM...They're never going to do something like that.

I never thought they do something as retarded as having someone wearing suspiciously similar bandages to Hicks getting thrown into his cryotube in his stead, but then ACM.

I wouldn't put any level of stupidity past them at this point.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: T Dog on Feb 15, 2015, 02:49:29 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 15, 2015, 12:35:48 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 14, 2015, 03:51:35 PM...They're never going to do something like that.

I never thought they do something as retarded as having someone wearing suspiciously similar bandages to Hicks getting thrown into his cryotube in his stead, but then ACM.

I wouldn't put any level of stupidity past them at this point.

I think it was one of the Gearbox developers that said "Fox say's A:CM is canon". But I'm sure it can also very easily not become canon.
Even it is - you'd still have to create even more contrivances to link up Hicks with Ripley 8.

Best bet for Blomkamp is - no Hicks - use Ripley 8.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 15, 2015, 04:55:26 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 15, 2015, 12:35:48 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 14, 2015, 03:51:35 PM...They're never going to do something like that.

I never thought they do something as retarded as having someone wearing suspiciously similar bandages to Hicks getting thrown into his cryotube in his stead, but then ACM.

I wouldn't put any level of stupidity past them at this point.
Film developers =/= game developers. They'd make a new continuity to please the gazillion people that want the real Hicks back, before doing something like that.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 15, 2015, 06:19:44 PM
I would rather not have hicks at all, he died back in '92 let him rest in peace.

Ripley still has something of a story left, if they insit finsih her story off but i dont want to see some crackpot story worse with sillier things than colonial marines, resurrection or avp
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 15, 2015, 06:57:10 PM
Ripley 8 is dreadful. I hope they don't continue where Alien Resurrection left off.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 15, 2015, 08:15:21 PM
The post Alien Resurrection world seems to be considered dreadful by many fans.  The lackluster response to the Alien Sea of Sorrows novel furthers that notion.  I think most people will agree that it was the weakest of the 3 books...
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 16, 2015, 02:31:37 AM
i felt parts of seas were good. i prefer it over out of shadows becasue ripley isnt in it and i find those parts hard to read.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 16, 2015, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 15, 2015, 08:15:21 PMThe post Alien Resurrection world seems to be considered dreadful by many fans.

I honestly don't think many fans give any serious thought to the merits or drawbacks of the world it was trying to create. They just hate it because they hate the film.

Personally, I think the far-future is one of the most interesting places to explore. It just needs a better film to do it.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: swarm87 on Feb 16, 2015, 06:06:45 PM
Blomkamp is the guy that made the cool looking scifi movie that was a not too subtle metaphor for illegal immigration right? If so, don't want him anywhere near the Aline franchise; I don't like, want or need political subtext with my scifi, BGINO & Avatar were bad enough
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2015, 09:56:21 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 16, 2015, 08:54:12 AM
Personally, I think the far-future is one of the most interesting places to explore. It just needs a better film to do it.
I'd appreciate it more if it was less generic and more like what we discussed here (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=49493.msg1982553#msg1982553).
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 16, 2015, 10:00:50 PM
Who's to say it isn't? The fourth film didn't really explore it at all outside of the Auriga. All we know is the USM runs pretty much everything and Earth is kaput. Who knows what's going on in the rest of colonised space. There's pretty wide scope for world building there.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Gash on Feb 16, 2015, 11:39:36 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 15, 2015, 11:02:23 AM


Quote from: Gash on Feb 14, 2015, 11:27:42 PM
I have little interest in Alien 5 - especially if Ripley is trundled out again. Even less interest if Hicks or, God help us, Newt is part of the thing.

We're making pleas to the Almighty now?  Then I pray this movie gets made and I hope it makes every last purist and A3 fan melt like the wicked witch from the Wizard of Oz.

Who? Oh god. Yeah, you're right, bollocks to god. Please Fox, don't make Alien 5 with Ripley, Hicks or Newt. Aliens wasn't that good, and even if it were the surviving characters were crap and don't need to be revisited.
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 17, 2015, 02:18:10 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 16, 2015, 11:39:36 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 15, 2015, 11:02:23 AM


Quote from: Gash on Feb 14, 2015, 11:27:42 PM
I have little interest in Alien 5 - especially if Ripley is trundled out again. Even less interest if Hicks or, God help us, Newt is part of the thing.

We're making pleas to the Almighty now?  Then I pray this movie gets made and I hope it makes every last purist and A3 fan melt like the wicked witch from the Wizard of Oz.

Who? Oh god. Yeah, you're right, bollocks to god. Please Fox, don't make Alien 5 with Ripley, Hicks or Newt. Aliens wasn't that good, and even if it were the surviving characters were crap and don't need to be revisited.

Hardcore Purist detected!
Title: Re: Neil Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 17, 2015, 09:12:36 AM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 15, 2015, 11:02:23 AM
Then I pray this movie gets made and I hope it makes every last purist and A3 fan melt like the wicked witch from the Wizard of Oz.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhumourspot.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F%2F2013%2F05%2Fwizard-of-oz-6.gif&hash=828796f9815bf1db3d1630142cc974d910866a22)
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 17, 2015, 09:12:43 AM
Unnecessary fellas. Let's not see that again.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Kelgaard on Feb 17, 2015, 01:33:13 PM
Aliens is a deserved classic.  Hicks and Newt were great characters.   Bring on the retcon.  Bring it, Blomkamp!

Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 17, 2015, 09:12:36 AM
http://humourspot.com/wp-content/uploads//2013/05/wizard-of-oz-6.gif
:laugh:
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 17, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
Quote from: swarm87 on Feb 16, 2015, 06:06:45 PM
Blomkamp is the guy that made the cool looking scifi movie that was a not too subtle metaphor for illegal immigration right? If so, don't want him anywhere near the Aline franchise; I don't like, want or need political subtext with my scifi, BGINO & Avatar were bad enough

In Alien, there wasn't any subtext originally, it was Giler and Hill that put in all the stuff about the evil corporation exploiting the workers for their nefarious gains - but the commentary on Big Bad Company ended up being canon to pretty much all the media set in the 'verse up till now. And to be fair, Aliens was full of subtext about the Vietnam war (still in recent memory in 85/86).
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 17, 2015, 04:24:30 PM
Lol...

Quote from: Brock HumphreyBrock Humphrey ‏@B_rock1400  14h14 hours ago
@NeillBlomkamp Neill, over/under 50% chance you make an Alien movie?

Quote from: Neill BlomkampNeill Blomkamp ‏@NeillBlomkamp  14h14 hours ago
@B_rock1400 like 50.23%

https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/567504465138180096 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/567504465138180096)
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 17, 2015, 04:56:04 PM
Hah, what a carrot.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 17, 2015, 05:25:10 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 17, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
Quote from: swarm87 on Feb 16, 2015, 06:06:45 PM
Blomkamp is the guy that made the cool looking scifi movie that was a not too subtle metaphor for illegal immigration right? If so, don't want him anywhere near the Aline franchise; I don't like, want or need political subtext with my scifi, BGINO & Avatar were bad enough

In Alien, there wasn't any subtext originally, it was Giler and Hill that put in all the stuff about the evil corporation exploiting the workers for their nefarious gains - but the commentary on Big Bad Company ended up being canon to pretty much all the media set in the 'verse up till now. And to be fair, Aliens was full of subtext about the Vietnam war (still in recent memory in 85/86).

To be fair, in Giler and Hill's intended version that wasn't subtext at all - you were beat over the head with it and repeatedly flogged. The film found some middle ground by rejecting a lot of their ideas and reincorporating O'Bannon's, so we have some nice subtext that doesn't interfere with the film.
Title: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: predxeno on Feb 17, 2015, 09:44:00 PM
The novelization actually casts The Company in a much kinder light where WY never wanted its crew to die but had hoped that the crew would be able to live through the entire voyage with the Alien alongside so they could pick up their paychecks back home.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 17, 2015, 11:03:15 PM
One of the reasons I enjoy the fact that Aliens basically has WY completely unawares of what went on, and has Burke acting out of his own personal greed. It plays against expectations just like Bishop does on a first viewing.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 17, 2015, 11:35:57 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 17, 2015, 11:03:15 PM
One of the reasons I enjoy the fact that Aliens basically has WY completely unawares of what went on, and has Burke acting out of his own personal greed. It plays against expectations just like Bishop does on a first viewing.

I agree with this, the first three films portray the company in a morally grey light, for all intense and purposes, its just a company and one that has become interested in an alien life-from which they hope to acquire which is in contrast with the silly blatantly evil corporation of Alien Resurrection and most video games, who go around killing people left and right and happily use people as hosts for Xenomorphs.

In the first film, they don't want anyone harmed, but the specimen's priority is higher than the crew and the android Ash then makes its own interpretation of the orders, especially when the humans seek to kill the Alien and acts accordingly (similar to apollo). In the second film, I believe Burke was acting alone, and third film has W-Y make an offer to Ripley, they may have even gone through with it (we will never know), they never killed Morse either when the jaded Ripley believed they would kill witnesses. However, A:CM then has Michael Bishop as a total sociopath who kills people no longer useful to him.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 18, 2015, 12:16:14 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 17, 2015, 04:56:04 PM
Hah, what a carrot.

You've been using carrot in this context for a while. Where does that come from? :D
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 18, 2015, 12:18:34 AM
I just dont want a film like avp or resurrection..
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 18, 2015, 04:37:35 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 18, 2015, 12:16:14 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 17, 2015, 04:56:04 PM
Hah, what a carrot.

You've been using carrot in this context for a while. Where does that come from? :D
When I went to England some people used it as a colloquial, affectionate term for someone who's acting dumb or being a smartass.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 18, 2015, 08:30:24 AM
New one to me. I tend to call people potatoes personally.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 18, 2015, 09:27:40 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 17, 2015, 11:35:57 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 17, 2015, 11:03:15 PM
One of the reasons I enjoy the fact that Aliens basically has WY completely unawares of what went on, and has Burke acting out of his own personal greed. It plays against expectations just like Bishop does on a first viewing.

I agree with this, the first three films portray the company in a morally grey light, for all intense and purposes, its just a company and one that has become interested in an alien life-from which they hope to acquire which is in contrast with the silly blatantly evil corporation of Alien Resurrection and most video games, who go around killing people left and right and happily use people as hosts for Xenomorphs.

In the first film, they don't want anyone harmed, but the specimen's priority is higher than the crew and the android Ash then makes its own interpretation of the orders, especially when the humans seek to kill the Alien and acts accordingly (similar to apollo). In the second film, I believe Burke was acting alone, and third film has W-Y make an offer to Ripley, they may have even gone through with it (we will never know), they never killed Morse either when the jaded Ripley believed they would kill witnesses. However, A:CM then has Michael Bishop as a total sociopath who kills people no longer useful to him.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 17, 2015, 09:44:00 PM
The novelization actually casts The Company in a much kinder light where WY never wanted its crew to die but had hoped that the crew would be able to live through the entire voyage with the Alien alongside so they could pick up their paychecks back home.

I don't remember the novel at all and I don't think it's over that Ash is making the decision himself in the movie - I think Parker says "It's the damn company" (after "Ash is a god-damned robot!"? - I'm sure there are folk on here that know the movie line by line, though!)

But "the damn company" seem to be at the core of it and Ripley gets pretty shoddy treatment in Aliens as well.

However - I like the idea of making the company grey as opposed to black. I work for an evil corporation (I really do), but not everyone that works for the Company (see what I did there - capital C yo) is a corporate bastard who'd f**k you over for a goddamned percentage. Some are, but most aren't. However, decisions have to be made - in the case of Alien, WY are seeking a competitive advantage (though I've always asked the question "What could you do with an alien in terms of a bio weapon?" I guess the answer is "They didn't know it can't be controlled" (though Ash's "purity" monologue puts that on shaky ground)

But the idea that not all sci-fi corps are evil is a really good one and plays against the expectations (as you say) set up (intentionally or not) in the Aliens movies. Obviously, ts a theme with many future worlds (OCP, Tyrell, Soylent etc) so it'd be ace to see something that plays against that.

I'm a big advocate of a TV show for the Aliens 'verse and in that sort of set up, you really could get under the skin of that side of things?
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 18, 2015, 01:38:02 PM
The Company in Alien aren't directly involved with the whole Ash plot. Their only real culpability is to sanction the conditions that allow the whole shebang to happen.

Ridley:

Quote"This particular corporation didn't have a preconceived notion that an alien would be found on this mission, much less the particular Alien that is brought onto the ship. The idea of bringing it back alive would not have been on the minds of the corporate executives when they first received the alien transmission. They just had high expectations when they ordered the Nostromo to investigate – it was purely out of curiosity.

I would have thought that Earth would have previously received messages [from space], realised they were coming from an intelligent source but, for economy reasons, perhaps have postponed the preparation of an investigatory spacecraft. Then, one day, Nostromo is in the vicinity and the order is given for the crew to bring back the Alien, good or evil, without any real thought being given to the consequences.

Ash is on the Nostromo as a matter of protocol; it isnt out of the ordinary at all (though it is secretive, since the Company is paranoid).

Ridley again:

Quote"[T]he world has been converted into the property of two or three large conglomerates whose sources of energy are provided by the exploitation of deposits in space. The super cargo spaceships that link Earth and the planets would transport enormous loads of minerals: gas, oil and the like. To dissuade the crews from rebelling and to protect their own interests, these companies might place spies aboard, or at least would make the crews believe in the presence of such spies. Gradually a legend would evolve that these people, whose identities remain unknown, are in fact robots. Furthermore, nobody would ever have proof. This would reinforce legends already currently among the astronauts.

This would seem to be the normal development of a huge corporation trying to protect its interests. In this particular future, it would be very easy for "pirating" to exist. Corporations will have to find ways to assure that vehicles carrying minerals or vital information will not be hijacked."

A lot of interesting ideas in there that weren't really followed up on in the series.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 18, 2015, 01:52:58 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 18, 2015, 01:38:02 PMAsh is on the Nostromo as a matter of protocol; it isnt out of the ordinary at all (though it is secretive, since the Company is paranoid).

Why then the plot point about him (apparently) being placed on board specifically for the trip? That makes it seems more malignant.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: stroggificated on Feb 18, 2015, 02:24:52 PM
This all looks very great, but it's too late. It's over.
Even if this ever would happen, then please no stupid reboots or alternate universes. Hicks is dead and i'm very sure about that nobody wants Newt back. He or they should care a little bit about continuity. Make a real Alien 5 in form of replacing old Ripley with Clone Ripley and the scarred Marine with...i dunno...someone else than Hicks. Just let cheesy and stupid quotes, bubblegum chewing marines and Winona Ryder from Alien 4 out of it this time and it would still work fine. Otherwise Alien Isolation would be the better Alien 5 indeed. ::)
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 18, 2015, 02:32:04 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 18, 2015, 01:52:58 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 18, 2015, 01:38:02 PMAsh is on the Nostromo as a matter of protocol; it isnt out of the ordinary at all (though it is secretive, since the Company is paranoid).

Why then the plot point about him (apparently) being placed on board specifically for the trip? That makes it seems more malignant.

To ensure that whatever is at the endpoint of that signal is investigated, as per protocol. It could have been alien technology which the Company would have wanted, could have been nothing, either way they didn't know. They don't trust their crews. It's all in the quotes above. Watching the film, you get the sense that without Ash pushing them the crew might not have even gone down there.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 18, 2015, 03:13:52 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 18, 2015, 08:30:24 AM
New one to me. I tend to call people potatoes personally.
Ha, really? I'll use that too then. Afraid I cannot use it in my language though.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 18, 2015, 03:24:01 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 18, 2015, 09:27:40 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 17, 2015, 11:35:57 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 17, 2015, 11:03:15 PM
One of the reasons I enjoy the fact that Aliens basically has WY completely unawares of what went on, and has Burke acting out of his own personal greed. It plays against expectations just like Bishop does on a first viewing.

I agree with this, the first three films portray the company in a morally grey light, for all intense and purposes, its just a company and one that has become interested in an alien life-from which they hope to acquire which is in contrast with the silly blatantly evil corporation of Alien Resurrection and most video games, who go around killing people left and right and happily use people as hosts for Xenomorphs.

In the first film, they don't want anyone harmed, but the specimen's priority is higher than the crew and the android Ash then makes its own interpretation of the orders, especially when the humans seek to kill the Alien and acts accordingly (similar to apollo). In the second film, I believe Burke was acting alone, and third film has W-Y make an offer to Ripley, they may have even gone through with it (we will never know), they never killed Morse either when the jaded Ripley believed they would kill witnesses. However, A:CM then has Michael Bishop as a total sociopath who kills people no longer useful to him.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 17, 2015, 09:44:00 PM
The novelization actually casts The Company in a much kinder light where WY never wanted its crew to die but had hoped that the crew would be able to live through the entire voyage with the Alien alongside so they could pick up their paychecks back home.

I don't remember the novel at all and I don't think it's over that Ash is making the decision himself in the movie - I think Parker says "It's the damn company" (after "Ash is a god-damned robot!"? - I'm sure there are folk on here that know the movie line by line, though!)

But "the damn company" seem to be at the core of it and Ripley gets pretty shoddy treatment in Aliens as well.

You can't really take Parker's word as solid fact, at that point in the movie and what he has been through, he is biased against them, like Ripley eventually becomes. Ash's orders was simply to bring back the life form, other priorities secondary, he wasn't ordered to kill them or given any slight suggestion do so, he just interpretated the orders that way once it became clear that the others intended to kill the Alien which would have made him fail his top priority, I think this is what might have caused him to malfunction (if its not due to what Bishop said)
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Russ on Feb 18, 2015, 04:15:59 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 18, 2015, 03:24:01 PM
You can't really take Parker's word as solid fact, at that point in the movie and what he has been through, he is biased against them, like Ripley eventually becomes. Ash's orders was simply to bring back the life form, other priorities secondary, he wasn't ordered to kill them or given any slight suggestion do so, he just interpretated the orders that way once it became clear that the others intended to kill the Alien which would have made him fail his top priority, I think this is what might have caused him to malfunction (if its not due to what Bishop said)

My take away has always been that the Company was portrayed as "bad." I hear what you're saying, but in this instance you can take Parker at his word because all that "Big Bad Corporate" stuff was put in the script by Giler and Hill (I watched the documentary very recently - O'Bannon wasn't best pleased) - so in "filmic" terms, he's addressing one of the themes.

That aside - everything you, OM, Predxeno and Val have said makes complete sense to me and its a really interesting way of looking at it - if you take each instance (twitchy A2, Burke acting alone, Bishop2 imploring Ripley not to kill herself) it all makes great sense.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Nightgaunt on Feb 18, 2015, 09:49:18 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 18, 2015, 09:27:40 AM

However - I like the idea of making the company grey as opposed to black. I work for an evil corporation (I really do), but not everyone that works for the Company (see what I did there - capital C yo) is a corporate bastard who'd f**k you over for a goddamned percentage. Some are, but most aren't. However, decisions have to be made - in the case of Alien, WY are seeking a competitive advantage (though I've always asked the question "What could you do with an alien in terms of a bio weapon?" I guess the answer is "They didn't know it can't be controlled" (though Ash's "purity" monologue puts that on shaky ground)

But the idea that not all sci-fi corps are evil is a really good one and plays against the expectations (as you say) set up (intentionally or not) in the Aliens movies. Obviously, ts a theme with many future worlds (OCP, Tyrell, Soylent etc) so it'd be ace to see something that plays against that.

I'm a big advocate of a TV show for the Aliens 'verse and in that sort of set up, you really could get under the skin of that side of things?

Yes to this. I think Weyland Yutani itself would make a great setting for a series, even without Ripley.   
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 19, 2015, 12:45:09 AM
Neill just said on his instagram that he is doing a new Alien movie.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:46:26 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 19, 2015, 12:45:09 AM
Neill just said on his instagram that he is doing a new Alien movie.

Cool! Now where does this leave the Prometheus sequel?
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 19, 2015, 01:09:28 AM
I couldn't care less.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 01:33:33 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:46:26 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 19, 2015, 12:45:09 AM
Neill just said on his instagram that he is doing a new Alien movie.

Cool! Now where does this leave the Prometheus sequel?

Still happening. So that's some of us happy.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 02:33:41 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 01:33:33 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:46:26 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 19, 2015, 12:45:09 AM
Neill just said on his instagram that he is doing a new Alien movie.

Cool! Now where does this leave the Prometheus sequel?

Still happening. So that's some of us happy.

I am one.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 08:50:37 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:46:26 AMCool! Now where does this leave the Prometheus sequel?

I'm not entirely sure how a Blomkamp Alien would somehow undermine a Scott Prometheus... Unless they release then at the same time (which they'd never do) I see no reason why they can't happily do both.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 09:27:12 AM
Especially given that what we've heard is that Prometheus 2 is going to much more distant from the alien verse.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp's (cancelled?) Alien 5 project
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 19, 2015, 01:31:29 PM
Thread locked -- continue the discussion here (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=52313.0).