Poll
Question:
What is better?
Option 1: The Predator
votes: 72
Option 2: AVPR
votes: 59
Everything has been already said above
I started that topic because had read a lot of coments such as "The Predator as bad as Requiem" (and i disagree with that)
Personally, i find The Predator more enjoyable and characters in it more interesting
The Predator, while bad, is goofy and inoffensive.
AVPR is simply abominable.
The Predator is definitely the superior film but it does mess with established lore worse than AVPR.
The Predator.
The Predator is the better film , it has more moments where the film could have been good and interesting, also the loonies are fun to watch. Still, The Predator is the worst film in the Predator series in my opinion and like requiem, it took liberties with the lore.
Unpopular opinion: The Predator is an insulting tragedy. The quest for aspergers (autism spectrum disorder) as a survival trait for global warming is absolute stupidity.
AVPR baby.
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My vote is for AVPR.
I'm definitely not a fan of AVPR, but The Predator was terrible for me.
I'm starting to dislike The Predator more as the days go by but AvPR will always be unwatchable to me.
AVPR because f**k it. AVPR got overall below average to pure bad characters, The Predator got a few good ones but others that made so angry I facepalmed out of frustation on the theater, I wish the kid and Munn weren't in the movie.
I dislike the story of both and think they should have gone somewhere else but The Predator's changes to the Predator lore managed to somehow piss me off more than having aliens on a random town on the 21th Century and the Raccoon City ending rip off.
Both had predators I enjoyed watching, but Wolf lasts longer than the Fugitive, whose's movie plot ends up trashing the guy. And with that suit... to hell with that thing.
AVPR is the better Predator movie. The Predator doesn't take the character seriously and is insulting towards the fans. Oh and practical suit Predator > CGI Predator and terrible CGI dogs!
I'm quite surprised with present poll results. Let's see how it will be going next.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 06, 2019, 04:36:15 PM
I'm starting to dislike The Predator more as the days go by...
Oh, it's sad to hear. :-[
The Predator was pretty bad (but still somewhat enjoyable), but AVP-R is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 06, 2019, 04:36:15 PM
I'm starting to dislike The Predator more as the days go by but AvPR will always be unwatchable to me.
Nonsense! The Predator ages like a fine wine! An imported cheese! A retired super model!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 06, 2019, 11:10:43 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 06, 2019, 04:36:15 PM
I'm starting to dislike The Predator more as the days go by but AvPR will always be unwatchable to me.
Nonsense! The Predator ages like a fine wine! An imported cheese! A retired Michael Biehn!
Fixed.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 06, 2019, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 06, 2019, 11:10:43 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 06, 2019, 04:36:15 PM
I'm starting to dislike The Predator more as the days go by but AvPR will always be unwatchable to me.
Nonsense! The Predator ages like a fine wine! An imported cheese! A retired Michael Biehn!
Fixed.
Don't you dare compare that great man with a gallon of milk left in the back seat of the car for over a week (The Predator).
:D
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 07, 2019, 12:08:09 AM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 06, 2019, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 06, 2019, 11:10:43 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 06, 2019, 04:36:15 PM
I'm starting to dislike The Predator more as the days go by but AvPR will always be unwatchable to me.
Nonsense! The Predator ages like a fine wine! An imported cheese! A retired Michael Biehn!
Fixed.
Don't you dare compare that great man with a gallon of milk left in the back seat of the car for over a week (The Predator).
Oh, I know. I like messing with Voodoo. I'm just saying Biehn has aged better than any super model I've ever seen. ;)
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 06, 2019, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 06, 2019, 11:10:43 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 06, 2019, 04:36:15 PM
I'm starting to dislike The Predator more as the days go by but AvPR will always be unwatchable to me.
Nonsense! The Predator ages like a fine wine! An imported cheese! A retired Michael Biehn!
Fixed.
Yet there was no need to fix it.
Because Michael
is a Super Model!
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Quote from: goose_3387 on Feb 06, 2019, 08:57:44 PM
AVPR is the better Predator movie. The Predator doesn't take the character seriously and is insulting towards the fans. Oh and practical suit Predator > CGI Predator and terrible CGI dogs!
Presenting characters coming straight from one tree hill is equally insulting in AVPR IMO...
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 07, 2019, 03:48:33 AM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 06, 2019, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 06, 2019, 11:10:43 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 06, 2019, 04:36:15 PM
I'm starting to dislike The Predator more as the days go by but AvPR will always be unwatchable to me.
Nonsense! The Predator ages like a fine wine! An imported cheese! A retired Michael Biehn!
Fixed.
Yet there was no need to fix it.
Because Michael is a Super Model!
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. . . Yes.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 07, 2019, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: goose_3387 on Feb 06, 2019, 08:57:44 PM
AVPR is the better Predator movie. The Predator doesn't take the character seriously and is insulting towards the fans. Oh and practical suit Predator > CGI Predator and terrible CGI dogs!
Presenting characters coming straight from one tree hill is equally insulting in AVPR IMO...
Agreed. The quality of the human characters are important too. Nothing excuses the humans from being poorly written, especially the mains.
Wolf was the main character, the humans were just filler. :D
Wolf's a... special Predator though.
I think most will agree on the fact that Wolf was cool design wise, and on the fact that Ian Whyte nailed the body language/movements. But Wolf also did too many stupid things regarding his mission, just for the sake of the "coolness" of doing it. And it did gave the impression that he fight useless bugs. So not so badass after all...
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 07, 2019, 04:40:16 PM
I think most will agree on the fact that Wolf was cool design wise, and on the fact that Ian Whyte nailed the body language/movements. But Wolf also did too many stupid things regarding his mission, just for the sake of the "coolness" of doing it. And it did gave the impression that he fight useless bugs. So not so badass after all...
At least Wolf was still just 'hunting' despite doing some stupid stuff.
I'll take that over Preds kidnapping autistic kids and injecting themselves with their DNA and bringing humans Iron Man suits to fight the Upgrades who want to take over Earth...
I agree with goose_3387. That's why AVPR is better.
Its not even close. The predator is a bad film, AvPR is just plain garbage. It should have debuted on the syfy network.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Feb 07, 2019, 06:46:54 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 07, 2019, 04:40:16 PM
I think most will agree on the fact that Wolf was cool design wise, and on the fact that Ian Whyte nailed the body language/movements. But Wolf also did too many stupid things regarding his mission, just for the sake of the "coolness" of doing it. And it did gave the impression that he fight useless bugs. So not so badass after all...
At least Wolf was still just 'hunting' despite doing some stupid stuff.
I'll take that over Preds kidnapping autistic kids and injecting themselves with their DNA and bringing humans Iron Man suits to fight the Upgrades who want to take over Earth...
Preds are only supposed to hunt ? Wolf wasn't even on a hunt at all.
Wolf is supposed to be this badass 'cleaner' (like the character Winston Wolf from Pulp Fiction), but the only thing he does is create problems. He looks cool but he really is a bumbling idiot.
The wolf did not hunt, but he killed. He killed aliens and humans.
He had no other purpose. He did not hunt for an autistic child, he did not have human DNA, he didn't bring a stupid suit to earth.
AVPR does not have all this nonsense. The Predator brought a lot of outrageously stupid things to the canon of predator universe.
AVPR at least did not bring anything new except predalien to the predator universe. It was just a bad movie.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 07, 2019, 07:23:49 PM
Quote from: goose_3387 on Feb 07, 2019, 06:46:54 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 07, 2019, 04:40:16 PM
I think most will agree on the fact that Wolf was cool design wise, and on the fact that Ian Whyte nailed the body language/movements. But Wolf also did too many stupid things regarding his mission, just for the sake of the "coolness" of doing it. And it did gave the impression that he fight useless bugs. So not so badass after all...
At least Wolf was still just 'hunting' despite doing some stupid stuff.
I'll take that over Preds kidnapping autistic kids and injecting themselves with their DNA and bringing humans Iron Man suits to fight the Upgrades who want to take over Earth...
Preds are only supposed to hunt ? Wolf wasn't even on a hunt at all.
It's no surprise that the two best movies in the franchise are about the hunt. I'm not saying you can't expand on the lore but if you re-read my post, Austic DNA injecting Predators vs humans in Iron Man suits is the biggest middle finger to Predator fans.
QuoteIt's no surprise that the two best movies in the franchise are about the hunt. I'm not saying you can't expand on the lore but if you re-read my post, Austic DNA injecting Predators vs humans in Iron Man suits is the biggest middle finger to Predator fans.
Bingo.
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 07, 2019, 11:05:52 PM
QuoteIt's no surprise that the two best movies in the franchise are about the hunt. I'm not saying you can't expand on the lore but if you re-read my post, Austic DNA injecting Predators vs humans in Iron Man suits is the biggest middle finger to Predator fans.
Bingo.
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The Predator is like the Alien Resurrection of the Predator franchise.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 07, 2019, 11:24:52 PM
The Predator is like the Alien Resurrection of the Predator franchise.
That's probably the most true statement I've read in this thread.
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 07, 2019, 11:25:47 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 07, 2019, 11:24:52 PM
The Predator is like the Alien Resurrection of the Predator franchise.
That's probably the most true statement I've read in this thread.
Yep, both are bad parodies, but Resurrection is that much worse in my opinion because it takes itself so embarrassingly seriously.
The Predator > Alien Resurrection
Assassin Predator > Newborn
But both bad.
No.
Alien Resurrection's coherent, at least.
And visuals, excellent.
Covenant > Resurrection > Prometheus > AVP > The Predator > AVPR
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Quote from: The Old One on Feb 07, 2019, 11:41:14 PM
No.
Alien Resurrection's coherent, at least.
And visuals, excellent.
Covenant > Resurrection > Prometheus > AVP > The Predator > AVPR
You find autistic child hunting, spinal fluid injecting Predators vs humans in Iron Man suits superior to AVP:R?
Whoa.
Yeah so do I.
One is a bad film that messes with the lore and the other is AVPR which is Asylum level terrible. Ive seen it twice and the second time was a chore, had to force myself to finish it.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 07, 2019, 11:54:37 PM
Yeah so do I.
One is a bad film that messes with the lore and the other is AVPR which is Asylum level terrible. Ive seen it twice and the second time was a chore, had to force myself to finish it.
Oh, it does
much more than mess with lore. I wish that was the only damage this movie had done.
Meh I can easily fansplain away most of the attempted lore stuff. At least there is some enjoyment to be had. Some funny dialogue, fun kills, and good chemestry between the looneys. Also I really liked Fugitive and just his escape scene was better than AvPR as a whole (Fugitive > Wolf ;) ) Not to say that The Predator is a good film, it is bad and the lore that it tries to change is cringeworthy. But at least I can see whats happening in The Predator.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 08, 2019, 12:02:38 AM
But at least I can see whats happening in The Predator.
Try the blu-ray AVPR director's cut on a HDTV.
Huggs tested. Huggs approved.
I have the bluray and have a 4k tv. It doesnt change anything, you can hardly see any detail in any scene involving the creature.
Really hard question to answer, both movies are practically unwatchable, this deserves a detailed analysis of every aspect from a filmmaking standpoint (script, direction, music, dialogues, acting, action scenes, edition, etc) to both films to really know for sure, but they are terrible.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 07, 2019, 11:24:52 PM
The Predator is like the Alien Resurrection of the Predator franchise.
Resurrection is in another whole level of quality compared to The Predator.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 07, 2019, 11:36:48 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 07, 2019, 11:25:47 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 07, 2019, 11:24:52 PM
The Predator is like the Alien Resurrection of the Predator franchise.
That's probably the most true statement I've read in this thread.
Yep, both are bad parodies, but Resurrection is that much worse in my opinion because it takes itself so embarrassingly seriously.
The Predator > Alien Resurrection
Assassin Predator > Newborn
But both bad.
If you think Resurrection takes itself seriously, then you have not watched the movie of completely missed the point. The script, maybe, takes itself seriously, but the actual made movie? Nop.
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 07, 2019, 11:25:47 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 07, 2019, 11:24:52 PM
The Predator is like the Alien Resurrection of the Predator franchise.
That's probably the most true statement I've read in this thread.
And one that I originally said. I should have trademarked it! :laugh:
Even I said it along time ago. Hell, I ranked it.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 08, 2019, 12:05:52 AM
I have the bluray and have a 4k tv. It doesnt change anything, you can hardly see any detail in any scene involving the creature.
I must whole-heartedly disagree. I can't obviously speak for your experience, but I've taken the test, DVD versus blu unrated, using the same player and television, and found a considerable improvement in visability and brightness between the two versions. We recently discussed this on a thread a few months ago, where others found the same improved results. Now maybe it's hardware driven (television and blu-ray model) which could explain your experience, but the results I describe are accurate.
Quote from: D88M on Feb 08, 2019, 12:22:52 AM
If you think Resurrection takes itself seriously, then you have not watched the movie of completely missed the point. The script, maybe, takes itself seriously, but the actual made movie? Nop.
Well the point must have been missed by most, which is why it's panned by the majority of audiences.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 08, 2019, 03:12:45 AM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 07, 2019, 11:25:47 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 07, 2019, 11:24:52 PM
The Predator is like the Alien Resurrection of the Predator franchise.
That's probably the most true statement I've read in this thread.
And one that I originally said. I should have trademarked it! :laugh:
Kudos my friend! However with the human/alien Newborn and human/predator Assassin and the ties between the two franchises, I think it begs you to make such a connection. :)
Yes, the Blu-ray's superior to the DVD, but the colour timing on the Blu-ray and brightness is still trash. Both the regular and unrated Blu-ray are identical masters, there's not a grain of difference between them.
Yes, very true Old One. Unrated only equates to the improvement of quality that I and some others found with the rearranging, substitution and insertion of new scenes. But unrated blu to theatrical blu, there's no picture difference. But in regards to testing against the dvd and being transparent with all variables, it was the version I played throughout the comparison. :)
Lol Voodoo, i and others were disagreeing with you in that thread from a few months ago.
Even if its slightly brighter than the dvd, you van still hardly see anything on the bluray. It certainly doesnt fix the darkness issue.
Yes, I know it was you. We can either call each side crazy or just say it's hardware driven (television and blu-ray model). Let's just do the latter. Cheers! :)
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 07, 2019, 11:48:19 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 07, 2019, 11:41:14 PM
No.
Alien Resurrection's coherent, at least.
And visuals, excellent.
Covenant > Resurrection > Prometheus > AVP > The Predator > AVPR
You find autistic child hunting, spinal fluid injecting Predators vs humans in Iron Man suits superior to AVP:R?
Whoa.
As if it was the only things The Predator did :laugh:
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 08, 2019, 01:03:40 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 07, 2019, 11:48:19 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 07, 2019, 11:41:14 PM
No.
Alien Resurrection's coherent, at least.
And visuals, excellent.
Covenant > Resurrection > Prometheus > AVP > The Predator > AVPR
You find autistic child hunting, spinal fluid injecting Predators vs humans in Iron Man suits superior to AVP:R?
Whoa.
As if it was the only things The Predator did :laugh:
Oh, I agree wit'cha, bro. It had plenty more sins as a movie. I found myself physically cringing and facepalming for ththe majority of the film. I don't know how I sat for the whole movie. I had those d-box seats that move and roll like a simulator. Maybe that's why? Of course some prick was in my seats and I told him to move because he hadn't paid for the premium seating. He told me to f**k off, proceeded to act like an asshole by throwing his drink and popcorn at the movie attendant girl (which is battery and an arrest-able offense), cursed her out and knocked over promotional materials on his way out.
I told her to press charges and have the theater criminally trespass him from the property if he came back. Later on, I found him posting on Facebook for the theater's page complaining he was harassed by the theater. I called him TF out and said exactly what he did and he promptly deleted his post. Lolololol
This thread lacks draw option.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 08, 2019, 11:47:46 AM
Yes, I know it was you. We can either call each side crazy or just say it's hardware driven (television and blu-ray model). Let's just do the latter. Cheers! :)
I'm rockin' a 2017 model 55" LG HDTV at a distance of about 10 or 12 feet. My player is a 2018 model LG Bluray Player. My vision (when last checked) was 20/15 in both eyes. All settings on my television are still factory, and I'm running in cinema mode with energy saver enabled. So I have a movie-tuned picture, but it's darker.
My copy of AVPR is the unrated U.S. version from the now-standard AVP 2-pack that can be found online and in retail stores. It was purchased in late 2017/early 2018.
I can see every detail in AVPR quite clearly. Picture quality is outstanding. Like looking through freshly cleaned glass. Fine detail is exquisite. I can see everything, and it looks good.
My man.
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Thats odd because I have a 43in 4k tv and a 43in hdtv and the same copy of AvPR and it still looks like a shadow play. And every tv ive ever seen it playing on also shows that it looks darker than night. When I watched it in theaters it was still crazy dark.
The only time i have ever seen proper lighting is in the trailer.
Not that it even matters. The more you see the worse the film is.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 08, 2019, 09:06:01 PM
Thats odd because I have a 43in 4k tv and a 43in hdtv and the same copy of AvPR and it still looks like a shadow play. And every tv ive ever seen it playing on also shows that it looks darker than night. When I watched it in theaters it was still crazy dark.
The only time i have ever seen proper lighting is in the trailer.
Not that it even matters. The more you see the worse the film is.
And there it is. No offense intended here, but with that personal view, I honestly don't see the point of you trying... other than to maybe argue with the peeps who do see a difference and enjoy it more because of it?
Regardless of the outcome of the poll the fact is The Predator still falls in the AVPR and Alien Resurrection tier of movies.
A big mess from start to finish.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 08, 2019, 06:21:37 PM
I'm rockin' a 2017 model 55" LG HDTV at a distance of about 10 or 12 feet. My player is a 2018 model LG Bluray Player. My vision (when last checked) was 20/15 in both eyes. All settings on my television are still factory, and I'm running in cinema mode with energy saver enabled. So I have a movie-tuned picture, but it's darker.
My copy of AVPR is the unrated U.S. version from the now-standard AVP 2-pack that can be found online and in retail stores. It was purchased in late 2017/early 2018.
I can see every detail in AVPR quite clearly. Picture quality is outstanding. Like looking through freshly cleaned glass. Fine detail is exquisite. I can see everything, and it looks good.
I've got around the same setup with the same disc and there's still crushed blacks for most of the film. Edge detail is great, but there's no more detail in the shadows than there ever was.
"Around" doesn't seem to be precise enough then it seems.
I'll try to post some comparison pics this weekend so people have a reference.
If you need literally that combination of products to make the film watchable then there is something seriously wrong.
It's just what I have. I had the same experience on a 32" LG HDTV. Maybe it's all just a matter of what seems dark to other people seems just fine to me. But for some reason, my copy of AVPR is by no means dark enough to effect the experience in the slightest.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2019, 10:13:32 PM
If you need literally that combination of products to make the film watchable then there is something seriously wrong.
Alas. The point. Yes there is seriously something wrong. The digital streams and dvd were severely messed up. For me, my blu corrects it, and was pleased when it did.
Nevermind the reference pics. I doubt many people are as insane as me to actually swap discs for comparison analysis anyway.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 08, 2019, 10:23:00 PM
Alas. The point. Yes there is seriously something wrong. The digital streams and dvd were severely messed up. For me, my blu corrects it, and was pleased when it did.
I have the same Blu that you guys are talking about and the blacks are still, well, black. The hospital is almost unwatchable in some places (good luck seeing what happens to Drew).
QuoteNevermind the reference pics. I doubt many people are as insane as me to actually swap discs for comparison analysis anyway.
I'd love to see the reference pictures to see if there is actually a difference.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 08, 2019, 10:32:11 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 08, 2019, 10:23:00 PM
Alas. The point. Yes there is seriously something wrong. The digital streams and dvd were severely messed up. For me, my blu corrects it, and was pleased when it did.
I have the same Blu that you guys are talking about and the blacks are still, well, black. The hospital is almost unwatchable in some places (good luck seeing what happens to Drew).
QuoteNevermind the reference pics. I doubt many people are as insane as me to actually swap discs for comparison analysis anyway.
I'd love to see the reference pictures to see if there is actually a difference.
Aren't you swapping discs or you saying there's no difference per memory?
I'm swapping discs between the DVD and the BluiRay and see no difference beyond the increased picture quality (and even deeper blacks, thanks to Blu-Ray's broader colour range!). I use the PredAlien moulting, the Alien crawling on the ceiling in the sports shop, and the hospital as my reference points because they're the worst.
The parts that are lit -- usually the edges of objects -- are definitely much sharper and clearer, but it's the shadows where all the detail is lost.
The most noticeable comparison for me was Hawkin's tombstone.
Conclusion: the movie is dark as f*** and everyone saying otherwise is in denial.
That raises the next question:
Why in the world would anyone willingly subject themselves to watch a piece of garbage like this?
Quote from: P-Rock on Feb 09, 2019, 12:14:27 PM
Why in the world would anyone willingly subject themselves to watch a piece of garbage like this?
Because sometimes you can get fun of it. Sometimes something is so bad that its "bad" quality turns into "good". If it would be just simply bad movie it would be just bad. But because it's SO bad, SO trashy there's something enjoyable about it. Hope, you''ll get my point.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 07, 2019, 11:24:52 PM
The Predator is like the Alien Resurrection of the Predator franchise.
Both of which are still more enjoyable than AvPR IMHO.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 08, 2019, 10:55:09 PM
The most noticeable comparison for me was Hawkin's tombstone.
I wonder if Shane Black knows his poor character was not only evicerated by a Predator, but then through another Predator's incompetence his f**king gravestone was obliterated.
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 08, 2019, 01:29:18 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 08, 2019, 01:03:40 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 07, 2019, 11:48:19 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 07, 2019, 11:41:14 PM
No.
Alien Resurrection's coherent, at least.
And visuals, excellent.
Covenant > Resurrection > Prometheus > AVP > The Predator > AVPR
You find autistic child hunting, spinal fluid injecting Predators vs humans in Iron Man suits superior to AVP:R?
Whoa.
As if it was the only things The Predator did :laugh:
Oh, I agree wit'cha, bro. It had plenty more sins as a movie. I found myself physically cringing and facepalming for ththe majority of the film. I don't know how I sat for the whole movie. I had those d-box seats that move and roll like a simulator. Maybe that's why? Of course some prick was in my seats and I told him to move because he hadn't paid for the premium seating. He told me to f**k off, proceeded to act like an asshole by throwing his drink and popcorn at the movie attendant girl (which is battery and an arrest-able offense), cursed her out and knocked over promotional materials on his way out.
I told her to press charges and have the theater criminally trespass him from the property if he came back. Later on, I found him posting on Facebook for the theater's page complaining he was harassed by the theater. I called him TF out and said exactly what he did and he promptly deleted his post. Lolololol
Sounds more like bad luck more than the movie's fault...
Quote
Sounds more like bad luck more than the movie's fault...
Those events alone didn't make the movie suck, it was apt at doing so itself. I was lucky enough to have someone to take me, so I did not pay for it. They knew I was a hardcore Predator fan and wanted to take me. They were just as disappointed as I was, having watched the originals but only being a "casual" fan. I watched it once more at home after that to be sure and it left me just as enraged and disappointed once again. I did not purchase it, I streamed it. I would (never) buy a copy of this movie. I've only watched it the two times. I will not watch it again unless absolutely necessary.
I own P1, P2, AVP, and Predators 2010. I also own Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, and Alien Resurrection.
I do not own AVP:R or The Predator. I never intend to own either, but for very different reasons.
This movie didn't break even or make large profits (in domestic sales or opening weekend. It only made money because of international numbers). Which pretty much guarantees I won't get another Predator movie for a very, very long time. Maybe ever again. So yeah...THAT is the movie's fault. I leave that result square on the shoulders of Black and Decker.
They should stick to powertools.
Iknowtheydontmakepowertools.
I'm glad I haven't watched the Predator if AVPR is being compared to it... that film was a tragedy.
I go with AVPR. It's not even close to being generally good, but it had more things enjoyed than The Predator. I had more fun watching it (what I could see anyway). It had what I wanted since the first AVP atleast. A lone Predator killing dozens of Aliens.
Quote from: Jarac on Feb 12, 2019, 02:44:50 AM
I'm glad I haven't watched the Predator if AVPR is being compared to it... that film was a tragedy.
Oh, man. You
have to see it. Just so you have an opinion if nothing else.
If the advertising and word of mouth isn't selling you on it, don't see it.
If you change your mind later, then see it.
You don't have to have an opinion on it outside of "the reaction turned me away".
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 12, 2019, 09:30:43 AM
Quote from: Jarac on Feb 12, 2019, 02:44:50 AM
I'm glad I haven't watched the Predator if AVPR is being compared to it... that film was a tragedy.
Oh, man. You have to see it. Just so you have an opinion if nothing else.
From what I've read, it would just make me angry at the stupidity.
Quote from: Jarac on Feb 12, 2019, 06:47:27 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 12, 2019, 09:30:43 AM
Quote from: Jarac on Feb 12, 2019, 02:44:50 AM
I'm glad I haven't watched the Predator if AVPR is being compared to it... that film was a tragedy.
Oh, man. You have to see it. Just so you have an opinion if nothing else.
From what I've read, it would just make me angry at the stupidity.
It's terrible. Everything is a mess and one big middle finger to Predator fans.
Quote from: Jarac on Feb 12, 2019, 06:47:27 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 12, 2019, 09:30:43 AM
Quote from: Jarac on Feb 12, 2019, 02:44:50 AM
I'm glad I haven't watched the Predator if AVPR is being compared to it... that film was a tragedy.
Oh, man. You have to see it. Just so you have an opinion if nothing else.
From what I've read, it would just make me angry at the stupidity.
I could provide you a very entertaining alternative. :D
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 12, 2019, 07:50:28 PM
Quote from: Jarac on Feb 12, 2019, 06:47:27 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 12, 2019, 09:30:43 AM
Quote from: Jarac on Feb 12, 2019, 02:44:50 AM
I'm glad I haven't watched the Predator if AVPR is being compared to it... that film was a tragedy.
Oh, man. You have to see it. Just so you have an opinion if nothing else.
From what I've read, it would just make me angry at the stupidity.
I could provide you a very entertaining alternative. :D
I mean, I already saw AVPR. Saw it the day it came out in theatres. If it's anything that soul crushing... I dunno.
Quote from: Jarac on Feb 13, 2019, 03:16:56 AM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 12, 2019, 07:50:28 PM
Quote from: Jarac on Feb 12, 2019, 06:47:27 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 12, 2019, 09:30:43 AM
Quote from: Jarac on Feb 12, 2019, 02:44:50 AM
I'm glad I haven't watched the Predator if AVPR is being compared to it... that film was a tragedy.
Oh, man. You have to see it. Just so you have an opinion if nothing else.
From what I've read, it would just make me angry at the stupidity.
I could provide you a very entertaining alternative. :D
I mean, I already saw AVPR. Saw it the day it came out in theatres. If it's anything that soul crushing... I dunno.
The predator doesn't crush your soul, it burrows a hole straight to hell, then grabs your head and sticks it in the devils anus and makes you eat whatever you find.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 13, 2019, 03:33:03 AM
The predator doesn't crush your soul, it burrows a hole straight to hell, then grabs your head and sticks it in the devils anus and makes you eat whatever you find.
Uh... Thor, Valkyrie, and Bruce Banner went through the devil's anus and they didn't have to eat anything.
I haven't seen that one yet, so I'm going biblical.
Ah, no Thor Ragnarok? It's Flash Gordon, but better!
Yeah, and for that reason it's the best Star Wars film since the OT lol.
:laugh:
I used to say the same thing about Guardians of the Galaxy Volume One
But Thor Ragnarok actually is, you couldn't get closer to the cosmic universe. It's so colourful and multicultural and weird, fluid sexually, funny and yet very much lived in too- with a great Villain.
But Vulture still takes the cake IMO.
Vulture is your favorite MCU villian? Interesting!
By far.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/67/52/456752c85b7a0a8ce03a5719a3af27ea.jpg)
Next on the list would probably be Hela, then Thanos. I know a lot of people empathize with Thanos but I'm not one of them, his arrogance and dedication to his point of view is almost religious and that's just terrifying. Hela's charismatic and just more fun, and Vulture's charismatic and terrifying, yet I do empathize with him and his situation. They're all the best of the MCU Villains IMO.
Vulture is definitely one of the best villians. The guy was just trying to make a living before everything went to hell.
AVPR should lose every poll it enters.
@OldOne
My favorite MCU villian
is Baron Zemo.
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/16/36/1473328612-tumblr-o5xq6acevi1unw3p2o1-500.gif)
Why?
Simply? Zemo was the embodiment of collateral damage, all the Avenger's collateral damage, seeking revenge for the unintended suffering that was caused.
Next is Thanos. Then a group: Hela, Grandmaster, early Winter Soldier, early Nebula, Avengers Loki, Vulture and Ronan (which I get flack for ;D)
Baron Zemo's fantastic in the context of Civil War, but otherwise forgettable IMO.
Loki's fantastic too, but I give it less props because we all know it and I overlook it when I probably shouldn't, perhaps because I don't really see him as a Villain at all or even main antagonist of any film but the blandest, safest films in the series, Avengers Assemble, and Thor.
Winter Soldier's dead on, excellent design and gimmick- but a Villain? No, victim.
Don't really have anything to say about the others.
Although, the futgive's escape scene was better than anything in Predator 2 or Predators.
Quote from: yhe1 on Feb 13, 2019, 04:32:00 PM
Although, the futgive's escape scene was better than anything in Predator 2 or Predators.
Oh, no you didn't!(https://i.imgur.com/1p5BAIc.gif?noredirect)
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/f3d11082f8f738140a70fdaa09f2ddc5/tumblr_n6y2qkRHkY1qfr6udo2_400.gif)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/CGEwI7rusXFgk/giphy.gif)
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Please.(https://media.giphy.com/media/2lvcJidNSvjpu/giphy.gif)
Voodoo beat me to it.
Voodoo's on fire today.
Quote from: yhe1 on Feb 13, 2019, 04:32:00 PM
Although, the futgive's escape scene was better than anything in Predator 2 or Predators.
Wait... What ?
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 13, 2019, 05:07:18 PM
Voodoo's on fire today.
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/yr7n0u3qzO9nG/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c6459c55176722e49c8b2d3)
I meant gory kills.
Quote from: yhe1 on Feb 13, 2019, 06:15:46 PM
I meant gory kills.
Oh ok :laugh:
Yeah The Predator is overall gorier than P1 and P2.
Anything >AVP Requiem.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 14, 2019, 12:40:54 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 14, 2019, 12:39:42 AM
Anything >AVP Requiem.
Moldy bread >AVP Requiem?
Rotting cadaver in 90+ degree heat with no AC > AvP:R?
Whooooo boy, that's something you can't
unsmell. :o
Anything cinematic > AVP Requiem.
There are plenty worse films than "The Predator" such as Asylum's entire catalogue, which AVPR is on par with but also comes from the pedigree of the two franchises that allowed B Movies to be A Movies. It's existence is insulting.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 14, 2019, 12:48:24 AM
Anything cinematic > AVP Requiem.
There are plenty worse films than "The Predator" such as Asylum's entire catalogue, which AVPR is on par with but also comes from the pedigree of the two franchises that allowed B Movies to be A Movies. It's existence is insulting.
The Adventures of Pluto Nash.
Nothing is worse.
Nothing.
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 14, 2019, 12:50:17 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 14, 2019, 12:48:24 AM
Anything cinematic > AVP Requiem.
There are plenty worse films than "The Predator" such as Asylum's entire catalogue, which AVPR is on par with but also comes from the pedigree of the two franchises that allowed B Movies to be A Movies. It's existence is insulting.
The Adventures of Pluto Nash.
Nothing is worse. Nothing.
How could you mention that? The whole world had repressed it, and you had to bring it up again. Good God man, think of the children.
That said,
AVPR, The Predator and ACM should all be buried beside Atari's E.T.
In AVPR's defence, they did get a lot of the scenes of just the Predator pretty spot on. If you extracted the scenes like the throne, the ship investigation, the general stealthyness and trap setting, they wouldn't have looked out of place in a high end Predator movie.
The butchered the Aliens mind.
The humanless fancut of AVPR wasn't that terrible. :)
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 14, 2019, 12:54:25 AM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 14, 2019, 12:50:17 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 14, 2019, 12:48:24 AM
Anything cinematic > AVP Requiem.
There are plenty worse films than "The Predator" such as Asylum's entire catalogue, which AVPR is on par with but also comes from the pedigree of the two franchises that allowed B Movies to be A Movies. It's existence is insulting.
The Adventures of Pluto Nash.
Nothing is worse. Nothing.
How could you mention that? The whole world had repressed it, and you had to bring it up again. Good God man, think of the children.
Whenever anyone says worst movie ever made, it is number one on my list.
You guys are forgetting Alien 2.
Do I enjoy watching AvPR?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oFzmkkwfOGlzZ0gxi/giphy.gif)
Did you enjoy all movies?
N O P E
Maybe someone should start adding spinoffs like Alien 2 to the polls, we need something to make the official movies look better.
The scene where Wolf mourns one of the dead Predators in the ship, I enjoy that scene more than the the entirety of The Predator.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 14, 2019, 02:05:06 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 14, 2019, 02:02:33 AM
N O P E
He doesn't enjoy Predators.
Yes I do wabbit. Just nowhere as near as "Predator 2".
"Alien Resurrection" is my enemy. Or rather my enema.
Was "the predator" a chaser?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 14, 2019, 02:19:49 AM
"Alien Resurrection" is my enemy. Or rather my enema.
Maybe it will look better after you watch Alien 2. There is always something worse.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 14, 2019, 02:22:10 AM
Was "the predator" a chaser?
It sure was! My bottom three are AVP, The Predator and Alien Resurrection.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 14, 2019, 02:09:11 AM
Maybe someone should start adding spinoffs like Alien 2 to the polls, we need something to make the official movies look better.
Sad, but true.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Feb 14, 2019, 02:10:06 AM
The scene where Wolf mourns one of the dead Predators in the ship, I enjoy that scene more than the the entirety of The Predator.
There are a few nuggets in that movie. Unfortunately that's all they are. Nuggets.
Predator nuggets.
Did someone say...
PREDATOR NUGGETS?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/tvLZH0PgnE5B6/giphy.gif)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/twobestfriendsplay/images/f/fa/Predator_College_Tina_Window.png/revision/latest?cb=20130823042853)
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 14, 2019, 03:07:55 AM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/twobestfriendsplay/images/f/fa/Predator_College_Tina_Window.png/revision/latest?cb=20130823042853)
Dayum girl.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 14, 2019, 03:12:12 AM
Dayum girl.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/871/420/055.gif)
Why...
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 14, 2019, 02:57:28 AM
Did someone say...
PREDATOR NUGGETS?
https://media.giphy.com/media/tvLZH0PgnE5B6/giphy.gif
Dip it in Alien acid sauce.
Mandibles still not right.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Feb 14, 2019, 02:10:06 AM
The scene where Wolf mourns one of the dead Predators in the ship, I enjoy that scene more than the the entirety of The Predator.
Yeah it's sooooo much better then the blood dripping face reveal, clearly...
The blood dripping face reveal looked terrible.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 14, 2019, 01:12:09 PM
The blood dripping face reveal looked terrible.
Poor CGI, but the directing was good and the idea was great. And properly lit.
The Predator. But only because Jake Busey is in it. ;D
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 14, 2019, 01:51:10 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 14, 2019, 01:12:09 PM
The blood dripping face reveal looked terrible.
Poor CGI, but the directing was good and the idea was great. And properly lit.
You tell funny jokes. I like you. ;D
Quote from: OWLF on Feb 15, 2019, 05:40:41 PM
The Predator. But only because Jake Busey is in it. ;D
Seeing Jake in that role, no matter how big an opportunity wasted, still makes me smile. :)
I gotta say, the thread title made me roll my eyes a little. The Predator had loads and loads of problems, no question, but it's clearly a better overall film than AVPR for me.
Quote from: Naginata on Feb 16, 2019, 01:56:04 AM
I gotta say, the thread title made me roll my eyes a little. The Predator had loads and loads of problems, no question, but it's clearly a better overall film than AVPR for me.
I wish I could say the Same.
AvPR Shatner Chops The Predator.
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/144TGvJQJgOQVi/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c676f616a4375542e54ef3e)
It's a hard decision to make without going into too many details, but I honestly think AvPR is better. I probably would go with The Predator being better overall, but whole autism angle and that ridiculous "Predator Killer" ending just left such a shit taste in my mouth and I felt like it was just taking the piss. The moment these franchises cease being grounded, it becomes offensive to what has come before and is utter shit. These franchises deserve more respect than that.
Im actually suprised avpr has so many votes lol.
AvPR ear slaps The Predator.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/iGsFx9Ceat7os/giphy.gif)
the 11 foot shrek pred rips off wolfs head
passing of the old guard to the new of worst predator
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 15, 2019, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 14, 2019, 01:51:10 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 14, 2019, 01:12:09 PM
The blood dripping face reveal looked terrible.
Poor CGI, but the directing was good and the idea was great. And properly lit.
You tell funny jokes. I like you. ;D
You're sweet ! You have poor understanding of those things it seems, i don't like you as much though ;)
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 16, 2019, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 15, 2019, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 14, 2019, 01:51:10 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 14, 2019, 01:12:09 PM
The blood dripping face reveal looked terrible.
Poor CGI, but the directing was good and the idea was great. And properly lit.
You tell funny jokes. I like you. ;D
You're sweet ! You have poor understanding of those things it seems, i don't like you as much though ;)
You're so right! The quest for autism was
brilliant!
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 17, 2019, 05:24:17 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 16, 2019, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 15, 2019, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 14, 2019, 01:51:10 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 14, 2019, 01:12:09 PM
The blood dripping face reveal looked terrible.
Poor CGI, but the directing was good and the idea was great. And properly lit.
You tell funny jokes. I like you. ;D
You're sweet ! You have poor understanding of those things it seems, i don't like you as much though ;)
You're so right! The quest for autism was brilliant!
Just as brilliant as your cosplay skills ;)
There's no need to be a dick BDJ.
Come on mates. No need to get like that over a discussion of these 2 movies.
Let's end this with a...
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/BvsKJXGzqfNPq/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c69a6496332684873ca63b9)
Homoeroticism? ;D
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 17, 2019, 06:26:08 PM
Homoeroticism? ;D
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/agwRgmVDJceZO/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c69a7f14a4145354d2054e1)
Aye. Let's keep it civil folk.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 13, 2019, 04:02:55 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 13, 2019, 03:33:03 AM
The predator doesn't crush your soul, it burrows a hole straight to hell, then grabs your head and sticks it in the devils anus and makes you eat whatever you find.
Uh... Thor, Valkyrie, and Bruce Banner went through the devil's anus and they didn't have to eat anything.
Thor Ragnarok is to the mcu what AVPR is to the Alien/Predator franchise.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/336a7be4249fe57dfe188eb5f04b98e4/tenor.gif)
Thor Ragnarok's excellent.
In fact it's one of the best, if not the best MCU film. It's one of the best superhero films ever created.
I still find difficulty referring to Ragnarok as a superhero film, much like "Guardians of the Galaxy", but I stand in solidarity with The Old One! It's awesome!
Yeah, it's more of almost more of a Star Wars style Space Opera rather than a traditional Superhero film.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 17, 2019, 09:40:16 PM
It's one of the best superhero films ever created.
Watchmen likes to have a word with you.
^ She specified "one of," and everything good about Watchmen was a direct lift from the comic.
Indeed, no Hack Snyder TY.
Quote from: Naginata on Feb 18, 2019, 10:01:36 PM
^ She specified "one of," and everything good about Watchmen was a direct lift from the comic.
Well, isn't that exactly what a movie based on a comic book should do?
Quote from: P-Rock on Feb 19, 2019, 12:10:50 PM
Quote from: Naginata on Feb 18, 2019, 10:01:36 PM
^ She specified "one of," and everything good about Watchmen was a direct lift from the comic.
Well, isn't that exactly what a movie based on a comic book should do?
That's fair I think, most of the time, when it's thoroughly based on a specific narrative. That's what the fans usually want too. And I'm thankful Sin City and 300 practiced that.
The Predator is leagues better than Requiem. It's mostly a fairly competent film let down by some glaring faults.
Requiem is only glaring faults.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 23, 2019, 02:27:56 PM
The Predator is leagues better than Requiem. It's mostly a fairly competent film let down by some glaring faults.
Requiem is only glaring faults.
I posted this in another thread, but it's just as applicable here. While Requiem mostly suffers from poor filming problems (where the majority of complaints seem to come from), the story, plot, and lore has been...desecrated by The Predator.
QuoteLore is what assists in telling a good story.
World-building is so much more than just a framing device. It's the very essence of any good fantasy or science fiction story, and the basis of a sense of place in other genres.
Good world-building lends an immersive richness to your movie, while also giving viewers the information they need to understand characters and plot lines.
Dictionary.com defines lore as "the body of knowledge, especially of a traditional, anecdotal, or popular nature, on a particular subject."
UrbanDictionary.com describes lore as "The collective history and the sum of all knowledge available about a certain fantasy or sci-fi universe" or "The story or reasoning behind occurrences."
When writing horror, fantasy or any form of speculative fiction, lore provides consistency, a set of rules and standards that make your fictional universe believable. What are the specific characteristics, powers and limitations of your characters and why?
Without lore there is no suspension of disbelief. You need it to tell good stories.
When you don't do that, you get: The Predator.
And that is just bad cinema overall.
Nah, I agree with the poll results.
AvPR didnt just suffer from bad filmaking, its story is terrible and so are the characters. Its all around bad in all department's and i find little to no enjoyment in any part of it. Some hardcore fans like it for the predator but i dont think thats even done well.
At least The Predator has some entertainment value in some scenes. Its lore stuff can be fansplained pretty easily as well. Fugitives escape alone was better than anything in AvPR. Also some of the scenes featuring the loonies were better than any of the human scenes in AvPR.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 23, 2019, 03:37:30 PM
Nah, I agree with the poll results.
AvPR didnt just suffer from bad filmaking, its story is terrible and so are the characters. Its all around bad in all department's and i find little to no enjoyment in any part of it. Some hardcore fans like it for the predator but i dont think thats even done well.
At least The Predator has some entertainment value in some scenes. Its lore stuff can be fansplained pretty easily as well. Fugitives escape alone was better than anything in AvPR. Also some of the scenes featuring the loonies were better than any of the human scenes in AvPR.
Spoiler
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Okay, okay. I guess I'll concede that. HOWEVER!
Original AvP or The Predator?
Spoiler
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Not sure why you're posting rotten tomato scores and polls. I just meant that I agree with the poll results in this thread. I don't actually base my opinion on the results of polls and review scores.
But as far as AvP goes, I personally think its much better than The Predator.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 23, 2019, 04:54:17 PM
Not sure why you're posting rotten tomato scores and polls. I just meant that I agree with the poll results in this thread. I don't actually base my opinion on the results of polls and review scores.
But as far as AvP goes, I personally think its much better than The Predator.
I use those as the "normie" scores, if you will. Because generally, we are considered "hard core" fans. But yes, I do agree with you. My biggest gripe about that was the design of the Predators in that movie. Mainly scar. The actual face, not the armor or any of that. Those were acceptable.
Yeah the actual predator faces were abysmal in avp.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 23, 2019, 06:38:45 PM
Yeah the actual predator faces were abysmal in avp.
Do you think Stan Winston would cringe seeing them? 🤔
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 23, 2019, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 23, 2019, 06:38:45 PM
Yeah the actual predator faces were abysmal in avp.
Do you think Stan Winston would cringe seeing them? 🤔
Voodoo saying something about "Crabators" in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .
What's wrong with the faces in AvP?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 23, 2019, 08:08:26 PM
What's wrong with the faces in AvP?
Oh you, such a scoundrel :)
You like him 'cause he's a Scoundrel.
Quote from: P-Rock on Feb 19, 2019, 12:10:50 PM
Quote from: Naginata on Feb 18, 2019, 10:01:36 PM
^ She specified "one of," and everything good about Watchmen was a direct lift from the comic.
Well, isn't that exactly what a movie based on a comic book should do?
I don't mean it adapted elements of 50 years' worth of comics into a streamlined package like the average MCU movie does; I mean that huge swaths of it are a word-for-word shot-for-shot recreation of one specific graphic novel.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 23, 2019, 09:47:02 PM
You like him 'cause he's a Scoundrel.
The shooting second type Scoundrel. 8)
😂
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 23, 2019, 07:29:41 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 23, 2019, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 23, 2019, 06:38:45 PM
Yeah the actual predator faces were abysmal in avp.
Do you think Stan Winston would cringe seeing them? 🤔
Voodoo saying something about "Crabators" in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .
It's...The CRABATORS!(https://i.ibb.co/9nnm3zx/IMG-20181206-183911.jpg)
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 23, 2019, 06:38:45 PM
Yeah the actual predator faces were abysmal in avp.
Someone buy this man a beer!!
Snailein Versus Crabator 2004
Crabators.
The Flappator.
Snailein??
:laugh:
C'mon the ADI Alien from Resurrection onwards is equally a POS. Usually over-slimed.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 23, 2019, 11:23:09 PM
Snailein??
:laugh:
I would love to piece the audio from this with a snailein. I'm sure it would be quite fantastic.
https://youtu.be/Ti4sqG85FU4 (https://youtu.be/Ti4sqG85FU4)
& The incarnation's a "serpent" AVP states.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 23, 2019, 11:26:42 PM
C'mon the ADI Alien from Resurrection onwards is equally a POS. Usually over-slimed.
Fair enough. ;D
Resurrection still takes the cake in the over-slimed department I think.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 23, 2019, 10:46:14 PMIt's...
The CRABATORS!
(https://i.ibb.co/9nnm3zx/IMG-20181206-183911.jpg)
Those look like normal predators to me.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 01:37:19 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 23, 2019, 10:46:14 PMIt's...
The CRABATORS!
(https://i.ibb.co/9nnm3zx/IMG-20181206-183911.jpg)
Those look like normal predators to me.
(https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Futurama-Fry.jpg)
I'll admit it: I'm a filthy casual when it comes to the Predator franchise so I don't have the trained eye that some of you do.
What am I missing?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 02:51:47 AM
I'll admit it: I'm a filthy casual when it comes to the Predator franchise so I don't have the trained eye that some of you do.
What am I missing?
Likely the mandibles.
The four bigger mandibles are suppose to cover the inner jaws. They close on top on the predator "mouth". Compare the... uh bone structure of the original predator's mandibles with the others posted. On those the mandibles are just "hanging" on the sides, its like they are broken, like a human with a broken jaw that can't close his mouth. Here:
(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/predator_9yyj82.jpg?w=500&h=296)
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On top closed mandibles, botton open mandibles, relaxed x screaming.
Scar and Wolf are like they are permanently stuck with a broken version of the botton picture, Scar is the worse one in that. In their case the mandibles stretch to the outside even further when they scream. That's not how they are suppose to work. Plus I also didn't like Scar's human eyes, and the different mouth, on that they got Wolf right.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 02:51:47 AM
I'll admit it: I'm a filthy casual when it comes to the Predator franchise so I don't have the trained eye that some of you do.
What am I missing?
FINALLY! He admits it. :D
But in all serious. The mouths. They are...
gaping. Also reference what Samhain13 said. The new ones are too...floppy? They aren't right. They don't look good at all. 🤮
^^^^^^What they said^^^^^^
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First two: Predator 1 and 2. Beautiful.
The rest? A mess.
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 24, 2019, 03:09:01 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 02:51:47 AM
I'll admit it: I'm a filthy casual when it comes to the Predator franchise so I don't have the trained eye that some of you do.
What am I missing?
FINALLY! He admits it. :D
But in all serious. The mouths. They are...gaping. Also reference what Samhain13 said. The new ones are too...floppy? They aren't right. They don't look good at all. 🤮
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 24, 2019, 03:11:42 AM
^^^^^^What they said^^^^^^
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First two: Predator 1 and 2. Beautiful.
The rest? A mess.
Maybe they've just had a couple of kids?
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 24, 2019, 03:18:11 AM
Maybe they've just had a couple of kids?
With Mr. Krabs?
That dog!(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/spongebob/images/7/7b/Krabs_artwork.png/revision/latest?cb=20181201224233)
QuoteMaybe they've just had a couple of kids?
Spoiler
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Don't let him fool you, Local has been through the mandible discussion a hundred times. Just like with the egg on the sulaco, he just likes to nudge people into the same repeating discussions for all eternity because it amuses him. He is the trickster god of these forums.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 24, 2019, 03:32:27 AM
Don't let him fool you, Local had been through the mandible discussion a hundred times. Just like with the egg on the sulaco, he just likes to nudge people into the same repeating discussions for all eternity becuase it amuses him. He is the trickster god of these forums.
He still shot second. So it's not like it even matters. ;D
Bunch of slack jawed predators around here.
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 24, 2019, 03:35:22 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 24, 2019, 03:32:27 AM
Don't let him fool you, Local had been through the mandible discussion a hundred times. Just like with the egg on the sulaco, he just likes to nudge people into the same repeating discussions for all eternity becuase it amuses him. He is the trickster god of these forums.
He still shot second. So it's not like it even matters. ;D
The most epic blaster fight of all time...
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 23, 2019, 10:46:14 PM
It's...
The CRABATORS!
(https://i.ibb.co/9nnm3zx/IMG-20181206-183911.jpg)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 24, 2019, 03:11:42 AM
^^^^^^What they said^^^^^^
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First two: Predator 1 and 2. Beautiful.
The rest? A mess.
In all the years since the winston era ADI has managed to fail at making a predator face that is at least on the same caliber as the original, its almost funny. the students failed to surpass the old master
Even in The Predator with everything available to them in 2018 i could still see the seams inbetween the mandibles.
Quote
In all the years since the winston era ADI has managed to fail at making a predator face that is at least on the same caliber as the original, its almost funny. the students failed to surpass the old master
Even in The Predator with everything available to them in 2018 i could still see the seams inbetween the mandibles.
Wholeheartedly agree. There are some amateur artists out there who do work on suits that rival ADI...at least, in my opinion.
*shrug.*
Even Winston didn't do as good a job the second time round on the mouth for movement.
ADI had some of the original Predator creators working for them like Steve Wang. The talent's there, the execution isn't. The guy who sculpted the original Predator face unfortunately passed away fairly recently.
QuoteHe is the trickster god of these forums.
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To be honest, I've never seen any of the Alien or Predator movies. I'm nothing but a fraud.
So our marriage is a sham?
I can't tell when Local is lying or not.
That's why I preferred Vermillion as the class troll.
Plus, Verm is the best Hudson impersonator.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 23, 2019, 02:27:56 PM
The Predator is leagues better than Requiem. It's mostly a fairly competent film let down by some glaring faults.
Requiem is only glaring faults.
Common sense right here folks !
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 24, 2019, 12:04:43 PM
I can't tell when Local is lying or not.
That's why I preferred Vermillion as the class troll.
Plus, Verm is the best Hudson impersonator.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 24, 2019, 12:04:43 PM
I can't tell when Local is lying or not.
Is he talking about Randy Pitchford?
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 25, 2019, 12:35:31 AM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 24, 2019, 12:04:43 PM
I can't tell when Local is lying or not.
Is he talking about Randy Pitchford?
No. In general. The Pitchford thing is a different ballgame with Local.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 24, 2019, 12:04:43 PM
I can't tell when Local is lying or not.
That's why I preferred Vermillion as the class troll.
Plus, Verm is the best Hudson impersonator.
What if...it's always a lie?
https://youtu.be/qdrs3gr_GAs (https://youtu.be/qdrs3gr_GAs)
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 25, 2019, 02:22:37 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 24, 2019, 12:04:43 PM
I can't tell when Local is lying or not.
That's why I preferred Vermillion as the class troll.
Plus, Verm is the best Hudson impersonator.
What if...it's always a lie?
https://youtu.be/qdrs3gr_GAs (https://youtu.be/qdrs3gr_GAs)
THAT SONG. It always makes me happy and sad in the same time.
Portal 1&2 are
masterpicies by the way. If you've never played it
SHAME ON YOU! you definitely have to
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 25, 2019, 09:47:33 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 25, 2019, 02:22:37 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 24, 2019, 12:04:43 PM
I can't tell when Local is lying or not.
That's why I preferred Vermillion as the class troll.
Plus, Verm is the best Hudson impersonator.
What if...it's always a lie?
https://youtu.be/qdrs3gr_GAs (https://youtu.be/qdrs3gr_GAs)
THAT SONG. It always makes me happy and sad in the same time.
Portal 1&2 are masterpicies by the way. If you've never played it SHAME ON YOU! you definitely have to
Don't forget Half Life 1/2!
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 25, 2019, 09:55:11 PM
Don't forget Half Life 1/2!
Personally, i admit that HL games are great and really well made. I played HL2 and Episode One once and didn't get feeling that i want to replay them when Portal games gave me a lot of fun and enjoyment and instantly became must-replays for me. I love characters and story very much too.
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 25, 2019, 10:10:23 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 25, 2019, 09:55:11 PM
Don't forget Half Life 1/2!
Personally, i admit that HL games are great and really well made. I played HL2 and Episode One once and didn't get feeling that i want to replay them when Portal games gave me a lot of fun and enjoyment and instantly became must-replays for me.
Probably because we never got a part 3.
Come-on gang. Let's get back on track. :)
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 25, 2019, 10:11:37 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 25, 2019, 10:10:23 PM
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 25, 2019, 09:55:11 PM
Don't forget Half Life 1/2!
Personally, i admit that HL games are great and really well made. I played HL2 and Episode One once and didn't get feeling that i want to replay them when Portal games gave me a lot of fun and enjoyment and instantly became must-replays for me.
Probably because we never got a part 3.
Well, i'd love HL3 to come out but only if its story will organic blend with Portal's one.
I want turrets fignting against headcrabs! ;DQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2019, 08:57:49 AM
Come-on gang. Let's get back on track. :)
Oh, don't be so strict! I require any possibility to express my love to Portal 1&2...
Spoiler
Because these games are f**kING great!
He's been dealing with derailment for a long time. Don't tell him he's being strict. ;)
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 26, 2019, 11:00:29 AM
Oh, don't be so strict! I require any possibility to express my love to Portal 1&2...
I have a responsibility as an Evil Dictator to live up to.
Feel free to go and make a Half-Life or a Portal topic in the Games board.
But let's get back on topic here. :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2019, 11:39:52 AM
Feel free to go and make a Half-Life or a Portal topic in the Games board.
I've done it already! But nobody seems to be interested in :-\
Anyway, I'm gonna be totally shameless and leave here a link:
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61508.msg2354094#msg2354094 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61508.msg2354094#msg2354094)
I guess the thread speaks for itself. At this point there's not much to do unless someone wants to do a critical evaluation of both done in a Mauler style video essay. ;)
I agree, until the inevitable AVP and AVPR reviews.
I find this one a hard one to answer cos they are both bad films, it's like trying to compare brown dog poo to white dog poo lol.
I'm gunna go with AVPR cos wolf looked good and seemed like a cool concept.
Quote from: Kimo on Sep 12, 2019, 07:34:24 PM
I find this one a hard one to answer cos they are both bad films, it's like trying to compare brown dog poo to white dog poo lol.
I think if I had to guess someone here who was up to the task of comparing such things with a thoughtful, detailed analysis, I would guess Huggsy. ;D
Quote from: Kimo on Sep 12, 2019, 07:34:24 PM
I find this one a hard one to answer cos they are both bad films, it's like trying to compare brown dog poo to white dog poo lol.
I'm gunna go with AVPR cos wolf looked good and seemed like a cool concept.
White dog poo doesn't smell and is way easier to get off your shoes.
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2019, 08:36:52 PM
Quote from: Kimo on Sep 12, 2019, 07:34:24 PM
I find this one a hard one to answer cos they are both bad films, it's like trying to compare brown dog poo to white dog poo lol.
I'm gunna go with AVPR cos wolf looked good and seemed like a cool concept.
White dog poo doesn't smell and is way easier to get off your shoes.
So AVPR it is then?
I thought The Predator was the white dog poo..?
Tough choice indeed. Ps2 tier graphics and total shitting on Predator lore vs f**ked up , black as the night colour grading and total shitting on Alien lore. I think we have a tie here. Both are 3/10 films at best. I'd say AvPR had better ending, because all is blown to hell.
Quo vadis Predator? The future isn't bright for the hunter.
Requiem easily loses this.
While The Predator is a mess, the opening in Mexico and the Fugitive's escape sequence are legitimately really cool. There's nothing legitimately cool or even remotely watchable in Requiem.
I'd say about 3/4 of The Predator works okay.
I'm not sure even 1/4 of AvP:R works.
Requiem is definitely stilll the worst and as others have said, The Predator at least has some watchable and enjoyable moments. At least you can see better as well on The Predator. Altering brightness settings does very little to help Requiem
I think I find The Predator more frustrating to watch because there's a lot in it that's actually really awesome and some really fantastic potential that just gets wasted.
The Predator is the worst by far for me.
AVPR might have bad human characters, but it's still chocked full of Alien and Predator carnage. At least it's trying to take itself seriously and not work around a bunch of ridiculous political talking points.
AVPR tried to give fans what they wanted. The Predator just gave Shane what he wanted.
Huggsy has nicknamed these two guys Black and Dekker. ;D
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But seriously, give me AVPR Unrated Blu over The Predator all day long.
You're insane
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 13, 2019, 05:10:18 PM
Huggsy has nicknamed these two guys Black and Dekker. ;D
https://images.amcnetworks.com/ifc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/number-7-alien.gif
But seriously, give me AVPR Unrated Blu over The Predator all day long.
That's the spirit. However, I recommend you buy night vision goggles just in case ;)
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AVP-R has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. The acting sucks, the story's terrible, Wolf is a f***ing moron and the Aliens are getting their asses handed to them by aformentioned moron, which is a load of BS. When they engage a fight with Wolf, there's absolutely no threat coming from them. Oh, Chet the half-breed looks ridiculous. The movie is dark as f*** and the scene at the delivery ward is a special kind of sick. It's a movie put together by two fans who didn't have a clue what they were doing, so they just put Alien and Predator easter eggs around every corner because nerdgasm.
The Predator is a terrible mess too, but at least I could see what the hell was going on and has okay action and acting.
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 13, 2019, 06:30:06 PM
You're insane
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 13, 2019, 06:40:59 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 13, 2019, 05:10:18 PM
Huggsy has nicknamed these two guys Black and Dekker. ;D
https://images.amcnetworks.com/ifc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/number-7-alien.gif
But seriously, give me AVPR Unrated Blu over The Predator all day long.
That's the spirit. However, I recommend you buy night vision goggles just in case ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/7EwhJur.jpg)
My pet mole actually thinks AvPR is too bright.
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AVPR on Blu-ray is fine.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 13, 2019, 10:04:39 PM
AVPR on Blu-ray is fine.
No.... no its not.. not at all.
But thats a discussion that goes no where and changes no minds. But I have to chime in and disagree just in case I can save even one poor soul from reading this and buying the bluray with the belief it actually makes a difference.
I run my tv on cinema mode and with energy saver, so I have a dark picture to begin with.
The darkness was a significant problem with the DVD, but the Blu-ray is just fine.
Yeah yeah i know and I have the blu ray with several HD tvs and a 4k tv and its still so dark you can't tell whats going on. We've argued this before and im not trying to change your mind, I know thats not possible. Im trying to stop others from making the mistake of buying the bluray with the belief that it fixes the darkness issue.
The darkness was terrible in the theater, on dvd, and on bluray.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 13, 2019, 11:26:03 PM
Yeah yeah i know and I have the blu ray with several HD tvs and a 4k tv and its still so dark you can't tell whats going on.
Try turning the tv on. ;) ;D
Seriously though. I'm not telling anybody to buy it. Maybe I've just got the golden ticket of AVPR Blu-rays. Stranger things have happened.
And besides the double pack only costs about as much as a burger. It wasn't an expensive risk to take. It paid off for me, that's all in can say.
I saw it on blu-ray and still couldn't see shit. Even scenes in bright daylight look dark as hell.
I guess me, Voodoo and his pet mole got lucky.
When a person enjoys something they tend to be more forgiving of its faults.
And on the oppisite side if you dislike something the faults become more glaring and unforgivable.
426Buddy, as a test, go to this scene where Wolf is throwing shurikens and one hits Jesse.
These pics were taken of my 4k television with my phone camera maybe 9 months ago in a debate regarding how the shurikens were thrown. There were no brightness nor contast changes made to the tv nor camera.
Does yours look lighter, darker or the same?
(https://i.ibb.co/G2SPFxX/IMG-20181213-084533.jpg)
Compare this with streaming. It's so awful. :(
(https://i.ibb.co/HBpbgyN/Screenshot-20190913-214634.png)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 14, 2019, 12:21:51 AM
These pics were taken of my 4k television with my phone camera maybe 9 months ago in a debate regarding how the shurikens were thrown. There were no brightness nor contast changes made to the tv nor camera.
Does yours look lighter, darker or the same?
(https://i.ibb.co/G2SPFxX/IMG-20181213-084533.jpg)
Compare this with streaming. It's so awful. :(
(https://i.ibb.co/HBpbgyN/Screenshot-20190913-214634.png)
Fair enough, there is an improvement. The Predator is better, though.
So, let's see. Requiem for a light got...
+1 For trying to fix the darkness in the movie.
-1 For everything else (horrendous monster design, bad to mediocre quality acting, bad handle of the Predator, etc).
Final score = 0
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 13, 2019, 11:26:03 PM
Yeah yeah i know and I have the blu ray with several HD tvs and a 4k tv and its still so dark you can't tell whats going on. We've argued this before and im not trying to change your mind, I know thats not possible. Im trying to stop others from making the mistake of buying the bluray with the belief that it fixes the darkness issue.
The darkness was terrible in the theater, on dvd, and on bluray.
Yeah my BR is dark and all. It's slightly better than the DVD, but the bar is very low. The sewer for instance, much of the footage of Aliens is flashes of glisteny bits. They would've done well for Wolf to hits a gas main with his first shot so you have some fire to light the scene. Or even just make the laser grids brighter.
I found a clip from AVPR that actually has great lighting when Wolf arrives on Earth and inspects the crashed ship.
Maybe I'm remembering things wrong, but this looks damn clear to me.
Anyone remember how some months after AVPR was released the Strauses released on their site a clip with some fight scenes with the same lightning/contrast as the trailer? Bastards.
Look I can see what is happening, but it still looked much better on the trailer. Someone screwed up post production.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 14, 2019, 12:21:51 AM
426Buddy, as a test, go to this scene where Wolf is throwing shurikens and one hits Jesse.
These pics were taken of my 4k television with my phone camera maybe 9 months ago in a debate regarding how the shurikens were thrown. There were no brightness nor contast changes made to the tv nor camera.
Does yours look lighter, darker or the same?
(https://i.ibb.co/G2SPFxX/IMG-20181213-084533.jpg)
Compare this with streaming. It's so awful. :(
(https://i.ibb.co/HBpbgyN/Screenshot-20190913-214634.png)
As someone who has had to change the brightness and contrast settings just to see a bit better, those images look just like how they appear on mine when the settings have been altered. If what you say is true in that you didn't alter the settings then perhaps your tv default is already got higher brightness.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 14, 2019, 03:41:42 PM
Anyone remember how some months after AVPR was released the Strauses released on their site a clip with some fight scenes with the same lightning/contrast as the trailer? Bastards.
Look I can see what is happening, but it still looked much better on the trailer. Someone screwed up post production.
Its definitely got to be a post production thing as the behind the scenes images show how clear and bright everything is normally. They likely used a dark filter or something.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 16, 2019, 09:25:05 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 14, 2019, 12:21:51 AM
426Buddy, as a test, go to this scene where Wolf is throwing shurikens and one hits Jesse.
These pics were taken of my 4k television with my phone camera maybe 9 months ago in a debate regarding how the shurikens were thrown. There were no brightness nor contast changes made to the tv nor camera.
Does yours look lighter, darker or the same?
(https://i.ibb.co/G2SPFxX/IMG-20181213-084533.jpg)
Compare this with streaming. It's so awful. :(
(https://i.ibb.co/HBpbgyN/Screenshot-20190913-214634.png)
As someone who has had to change the brightness and contrast settings just to see a bit better, those images look just like how they appear on mine when the settings have been altered. If what you say is true in that you didn't alter the settings then perhaps your tv default is already got higher brightness.
"If what you say is true"... Oy
No I didn't alter the setting Cruentus. I know there's different presets for "cinema" and "sports" but I'm pretty vanilla and just one of those guys who generally leaves everything on the default standard preset for everything. If I did adjust it I would just be telling everyone to adjust their settings as a fix and rewatch it! But apparently people have tried to adjust their settings and still, they can't see what's going on. So I'm chalking it up to different hardware + different room lighting + different player = different results.
Which blu-ray version are we talking about here? US, UK, EU?
Quote from: P-Rock on Sep 16, 2019, 04:51:20 PM
Which blu-ray version are we talking about here? US, UK, EU?
For me, either US blu, but I believe with Huggsy we are talking the US unrated 2-pack with the AvPR seamless fix. I believe Vermillion noticed an improvement too, but I don't know what disc was playing. But again, it's all probably just hardware driven. :)
US unrated double pack for me.
AVP-R understands the Predator much better than The Predator. So I stick with AVP-R, the Predator lore in the movie is pretty cool.
So while The Predator may be a better movie, the way the Predators were portrayed in it just offended me as a fan.
Quote from: Katanu on Nov 02, 2019, 04:16:57 AM
AVP-R understands the Predator much better than The Predator.
How? With everything Wolf did he only attracted unwanted attention to himself. He's supposed to be some supercleaner, but he keeps leaving traces everywhere he goes.
Quote from: P-Rock on Nov 02, 2019, 11:59:04 AM
Quote from: Katanu on Nov 02, 2019, 04:16:57 AM
AVP-R understands the Predator much better than The Predator.
How? With everything Wolf did he only attracted unwanted attention to himself. He's supposed to be some supercleaner, but he keeps leaving traces everywhere he goes.
I don't mean Wolf's actions in particular. Just that the Predators in AvP-R didn't want to get our DNA before we go extinct and later move to Earth. Also, there was none of that Predator Killer stuff.
Regardless of how the Wolf was handled in movie, I do think the ideia of a cleaner Predator was a nice addition to the lore (and it was used better later in the 2010 Aliens Vs. Predator game). I also enjoyed the brief scene in the Predator homeworld, and some new cool weapons.
One other thing that bothers me a little in The Predator is that the Predators didn't have any trophies colars with bones and stuff, they lost a little of their tribal look, having some shining armor instead.
Yep, I also missed the trophy skulls and necklaces in The Predator. I can't say which is a better movie, but I honestly enjoy AVP:R more.
I, as well.
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/Kogujap7iH67e/source.gif)
Quote from: Katanu on Nov 02, 2019, 04:16:57 AM
AVP-R understands the Predator much better than The Predator. So I stick with AVP-R, the Predator lore in the movie is pretty cool.
So while The Predator may be a better movie, the way the Predators were portrayed in it just offended me as a fan.
Very true.
AvP:R
It's totally average. You could probably swap out the Aliens and Predator in the movie with expies and it would still be an inoffensive watch.
The Predator is just plain bad, uncomfortable in places, with stupid cartoony plot points like the lobotomy dog, it takes a dump on the Predator franchise and seems to actively hate the source material.
Say what you will about AvP:R, but it seemed like the creators at least had some passion for the project, rather than wanting to turn it into a knockoff MCU movie.
If i had to choose one to watch it would be The Predator.
I've only seen bith films twice.
If I had to choose one to not watch, it would be The Predator. AVPR doesn't exists anymore. Not even during a boring sunday. Althouth I can change my mind with some beers.
AvPR is PERFECT for a boring Sunday!
Embrace the Love!
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShrillLightDuckling-small.gif)
Fair enough. I'm embracing the love right now. I just want to have fun on Sundays, and that scene speaks for itself :laugh:
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 11, 2019, 03:34:21 AM
AvPR is PERFECT for a boring Sunday!
Embrace the Love!
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShrillLightDuckling-small.gif
AVPR and Salvation
Spoiler
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AvPR is PERFECT for a boring Sunday!
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AVPR and Salvation
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 11, 2019, 03:18:40 AMAVPR doesn't exists anymore. Not even during a boring sunday.
I'd rather be bored than watch
Requiem.
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 11, 2019, 03:18:40 AMAVPR doesn't exists anymore. Not even during a boring sunday.
I'd rather be bored than watch Requiem.
I used to thing the same. But, perhaps with beers and friends, it can turn the whole experience into a comedy :laugh:
I was wasted drunk with a mate the first time I saw AVPR and I still f*cking loathed it :P
The Predator is a bit better made than Requiem. But I'd rather watch Requiem.
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I'll actually just watch Predator 2
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The Predator is a bit better made than Requiem. But I'd rather watch Requiem.
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I'll actually just watch Predator 2
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Where do you get so much pistols, Voodoo ?
Greyback must have given him a shitload of those.
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Where do you get so much pistols, Voodoo ?
The pilgrims saw great opportunity in the new world. Gunrunning specifically.
We hijacked one of their shipments, and sold it back to them at 40%.
But we doctored the papyrus, and kept a few.
This bear's basement has ample stock.
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So I re-watched AvPR last night in preperation for our commentary, and found it more watchable than the last time I watched The Predator...
Yikes,, The Predator must be really bad for you now to think that, funny thing is that I remember you actually enjoyed the movie when it first came out :laugh: I think the nostalgia filter tends to make us ignore flaws the first time around.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 30, 2019, 11:46:55 AM
So I re-watched AvPR last night in preperation for our commentary, and found it more watchable than the last time I watched The Predator...
Now you're talking! Come join us on the dark side!
In a semi-related note, I actually found The Predator increase my fondness for Predators. Although I've always loved the hunting reserve planet, I have always been one of the film's biggest critics. But after repeat viewings of The Predator and my disappointment with The Predator grew, my appreciation for Predators grew equally and substantially, in light of. Honest and interesting unintended benefits.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2019, 02:00:09 PM
Yikes,, The Predator must be really bad for you now to think that, funny thing is that I remember you actually enjoyed the movie when it first came out :laugh: I think the nostalgia filter tends to make us ignore flaws the first time around.
I dunno, it might just be a case of still feeling a little bitter over how The Predator turned out whereas I've had a decade to get over AvPR. I still consider The Predator an objectively better movie, even if it is butchered.
Though I do agree with you on the first time viewing. I'm never sure of my opinion until about the 3rd viewing. But I'm very aware of this.
Its completely understandible, I think we all get the nostalgia filter for the first viewing, I myself very briefly thought AVP-R was better than the first film because it was more adult in its violence and the predator design was better, but after getting home, I realized how wrong I was and I decided to re-watch AVP. For all its flaws, it is far better than Requiem.
I agree about The Predator as well, it is objectively a better film but I would say it is the Resurrection of the Predator franchise.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 30, 2019, 11:46:55 AM
So I re-watched AvPR last night in preperation for our commentary, and found it more watchable than the last time I watched The Predator...
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Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2019, 05:06:30 PM
I agree about The Predator as well, it is objectively a better film but I would say it is the Resurrection of the Predator franchise.
Agreed !
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 30, 2019, 11:46:55 AM
So I re-watched AvPR last night in preperation for our commentary, and found it more watchable than the last time I watched The Predator...
Now you're talking! Come join us on the dark side!
In a semi-related note, I actually found The Predator increase my fondness for Predators. Although I've always loved the hunting reserve planet, I have always been one of the film's biggest critics. But after repeat viewings of The Predator and my disappointment with The Predator grew, my appreciation for Predators grew equally and substantially, in light of. Honest and interesting unintended benefits.
Caricatures or not, Predators had some characters that I jived with. I genuinely liked Royce and Isabel, and was rooting for them (which is all the more frustrating that they just left them on the planet with no resolution, save for the comic book followup). I haven't re-watched The Predator since I saw it the first time, but the characters just didn't resonate (with me). At least not the leads. Much in the same way as AvPR. That being said, clearly AvPR didn't try as hard as The Predator...and that in and of itself is kind of sad.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 30, 2019, 02:44:59 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 30, 2019, 11:46:55 AM
So I re-watched AvPR last night in preperation for our commentary, and found it more watchable than the last time I watched The Predator...
Now you're talking! Come join us on the dark side!
In a semi-related note, I actually found The Predator increase my fondness for Predators. Although I've always loved the hunting reserve planet, I have always been one of the film's biggest critics. But after repeat viewings of The Predator and my disappointment with The Predator grew, my appreciation for Predators grew equally and substantially, in light of. Honest and interesting unintended benefits.
Caricatures or not, Predators had some characters that I jived with. I genuinely liked Royce and Isabel, and was rooting for them (which is all the more frustrating that they just left them on the planet with no resolution, save for the comic book followup).
Not to open old debates, but my issue with Predators was always the retreading. But since The Predator and all of its glaring faults made more evident in rewatches, the retreading has become less of an issue for me now. It's lessened for me, become more tolerable and therefore enjoyable if that makes any sense at all. A sort of be thankful of what you got, because things can be much worse.
With that said I do like Royce and Isabelle and wish we'd get one more adventure with them. :)
Jake busey is in one
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 30, 2019, 11:46:55 AMSo I re-watched AvPR last night in preperation for our commentary, and found it more watchable than the last time I watched The Predator...
No. No, Hicks. F*ck off.
HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS.
:P
I still maintain the fact that some bits of
The Predator are actually quite decent automatically elevates it above
Requiem by some margin. Although I admit the fact it was screwed around with in post gives it a possible element of "we almost got something much better".
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 30, 2019, 11:46:55 AMSo I re-watched AvPR last night in preperation for our commentary, and found it more watchable than the last time I watched The Predator...
No. No, Hicks. F*ck off.
Uh oh, Hicks has pulled out his banning hammer! :laugh:
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 30, 2019, 11:46:55 AM
So I re-watched AvPR last night in preperation for our commentary, and found it more watchable than the last time I watched The Predator...
Look who joined the club.
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I wish I could change my vote I just re watched both after reading this thread. God damn is the predator just a bad movie. It's cheesy and the acting for the most part especially in the beginning 25 min of the film is just terrible. The movie doesn't take itself seriously at all. It's like Shane blacks character from the first predator wrote every ones dialogue lol. Keep him away from the predator i.p for the love of God.
Just throw AVP, AVPR and The Predator in the trash, and be done with it.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 02, 2020, 05:34:36 PM
Just throw AVP, AVPR and The Predator in the trash, and be done with it.
Hey you forgot AR! If you don't include that, all bets are off!
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 02, 2020, 05:34:36 PM
Just throw AVP, AVPR and The Predator in the trash, and be done with it.
I kind of like them all like I enjoy mystery Science theater 3000 lol
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 02, 2020, 01:45:23 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 30, 2019, 11:46:55 AMSo I re-watched AvPR last night in preperation for our commentary, and found it more watchable than the last time I watched The Predator...
No. No, Hicks. F*ck off.
HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS.
:P
I still maintain the fact that some bits of The Predator are actually quite decent automatically elevates it above Requiem by some margin. Although I admit the fact it was screwed around with in post gives it a possible element of "we almost got something much better".
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But is having Kradan on your side, a good thing?
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;) ;D
Of course it is.
Yes, it is, especially in this regard.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 30, 2019, 11:46:55 AMSo I re-watched AvPR last night in preperation for our commentary, and found it more watchable than the last time I watched The Predator...
No. No, Hicks. F*ck off.
HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS.
:P
I stand by my previous excuse!!!
See below!
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Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 30, 2019, 02:00:09 PM
Yikes,, The Predator must be really bad for you now to think that, funny thing is that I remember you actually enjoyed the movie when it first came out :laugh: I think the nostalgia filter tends to make us ignore flaws the first time around.
I dunno, it might just be a case of still feeling a little bitter over how The Predator turned out whereas I've had a decade to get over AvPR. I still consider The Predator an objectively better movie, even if it is butchered.
Though I do agree with you on the first time viewing. I'm never sure of my opinion until about the 3rd viewing. But I'm very aware of this.
Maybe Hudafuk would like to borrow my metal pipe of re-education. :laugh:
Personally I feel like AVPR gets a bad rap. I think its a lot more fun than the first one, especially if you're watching the unrated cut. I get more aliens, I get a predalien, Wolf the predator is honestly just a fantastic predator, we get marines rolling in to be picked off like in Aliens, and it just works pretty well. Are there too many flat human characters? Hoo boy yeah there are, but it doesn't have a big dumb ancient temple in the arctic for some reason.
The Predator is just... so bad. None of the jokes land, Jake Busey is wasted, the main villain is wasted, the band of heroes is either forgettable or annoying, the super predator is also weirdly disappointing, and god help me the predator dog had me rolling my eyes so hard they fell out of my skull.
But all the Aliens and Predators in Requiem suck, in every way, all Wolf's got is a good design and arsenal. That's it.
Quote from: 50percentJoe on Jan 10, 2020, 08:05:20 AMThe Predator is just... so bad. None of the jokes land, Jake Busey is wasted, the main villain is wasted, the band of heroes is either forgettable or annoying, the super predator is also weirdly disappointing, and god help me the predator dog had me rolling my eyes so hard they fell out of my skull.
Replace super predator with Predalien and predator dog with the childishly gratuitous violence and all that applies equally if not more to
Requiem.
Most of the characters in The Predator were more engaging than anyone in AvP:R.
That is certainly true. Quality of actors was well above AvPR too.
Absolutely, although I'm not sure if I prefer Fugitive or Wolf in the design department, Wolf's arsenal is great but Fugitive is certainly more competent though.
I think they're both really good in terms of personality too.
My issue is that The Predator is also really disjointed. Like we're supposed to find out that Fugitive was helping us, but it never really feels like that's what his intent was. Also man, I gotta be honest its hard to take anything seriously with the weird aspergers plot line,It feels especially egregious when the movie plays that soft 90's gifted child music when the kid puts all the chess pieces back in their place.
I think both are mindless and on the lower end when it comes to Predator movies, but I'd still say I just had more fun with AVPR. Even if it boils down to just getting to see a predator cleaning up a predator mess. Hell, the final fight between Wolf and Predalien is really solid, and I love how it ends in a stale mate as a nuke drops in a background. AVPR is more a bad movie with glimmering fun bits for me, where as The Predator felt more like a slog the whole way through.
Also, I mean really, how can I argue with a predator that has Harvey Keitel as a namesake?
I voted AVPR.
They're both unwatchable garbage, but if I had to watch one, it would be the one that is too dark to see and shorter in runtime.
The fight between Wolf and Chet was far from solid, it was silly. Firstly, we have what is essentially animal just deciding to wait patiently while Wolf slowly removes his mask. Then the fight itself is just full of ultra close ups.
Wolf may have had a cool design but he was incompetent, not only was he incapable of doing his job, he actively made the situation worse multiple times.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2020, 10:13:54 AM
That is certainly true. Quality of actors was well above AvPR too.
Quality of actors? Certainly. With Sterling K. Brown and Thomas Jane, they've upgraded the marquee from C-List to B-List. But quality of acting? No way. From Nebraska's unconvincing suicide reveal, to Coyle and Baxley killing each other, to woefully delivered lines like "You shove me again, I'm going to break your neck. Did I say that out loud?", in regards to acting performances and believability I'll take AvPR over the aardvark movie everytime.
Quote from: 50percentJoe on Jan 10, 2020, 11:51:57 AM
I think both are mindless and on the lower end when it comes to Predator movies, but I'd still say I just had more fun with AVPR. Even if it boils down to just getting to see a predator cleaning up a predator mess. Hell, the final fight between Wolf and Predalien is really solid, and I love how it ends in a stale mate as a nuke drops in a background. AVPR is more a bad movie with glimmering fun bits for me, where as The Predator felt more like a slog the whole way through.
Also, I mean really, how can I argue with a predator that has Harvey Keitel as a namesake?
Right on! I still have fun watching AvPR as a mindless popcorn monster invasion movie. And luckily I have the right combination of equipment to watch the unrated blu and not struggle to see what's going on.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 10, 2020, 12:56:41 PM
Quality of actors? Certainly. With Sterling K. Brown and Thomas Jane, they've upgraded the marquee from C-List to B-List. But quality of acting? No way. From Nebraska's unconvincing suicide reveal, to Coyle and Baxley killing each other, to woefully delivered lines like "You shove me again, I'm going to break your neck. Did I say that out loud?", in regards to acting performances and believability I'll take AvPR over the aardvark movie everytime.
The bolded isn't an acting issue. That's on the editing. But I do disagree with you. The actors were better - I wouldn't even call AvPR's c-listers to be honest. I enjoyed the acting in TP far more than I did on AvPR.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2020, 01:09:52 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 10, 2020, 12:56:41 PM
Quality of actors? Certainly. With Sterling K. Brown and Thomas Jane, they've upgraded the marquee from C-List to B-List. But quality of acting? No way. From Nebraska's unconvincing suicide reveal, to Coyle and Baxley killing each other, to woefully delivered lines like "You shove me again, I'm going to break your neck. Did I say that out loud?", in regards to acting performances and believability I'll take AvPR over the aardvark movie everytime.
The bolded isn't an acting issue. That's on the editing. But I do disagree with you. The actors were better - I wouldn't even call AvPR's c-listers to be honest. I enjoyed the acting in TP far more than I did on AvPR.
A,B,C,D List doesn't guage with me here because it doesn't equate to acting abilities, just above-the-title, bankable, name recognition factoring. But as a whole, to me, the AvPR performances were better. That's where we differ. :)
Of course, it's important to remember we are not comparing apples & oranges here, but moldy apples & oranges! :laugh:
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 10, 2020, 01:37:06 PM
A,B,C,D List doesn't guage with me here because it doesn't equate to acting abilities, just above-the-title, bankable, name recognition factoring. But as a whole, to me, the AvPR performances were better. That's where we differ. :)
Of course, it's important to remember we are not comparing apples & oranges here, but moldy apples & oranges! :laugh:
The government doesn't lie to people.
Shut up Dale, you're too stupid to talk.
People are dying, we need guns.
Yes, brilliant performances. :P :laugh:
Though in fairness, the script is probably more at fault there.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 10, 2020, 01:37:06 PM
A,B,C,D List doesn't guage with me here because it doesn't equate to acting abilities, just above-the-title, bankable, name recognition factoring. But as a whole, to me, the AvPR performances were better. That's where we differ. :)
Of course, it's important to remember we are not comparing apples & oranges here, but moldy apples & oranges! :laugh:
The government doesn't lie to people.
Shut up Dale, you're too stupid to talk.
People are dying, we need guns.
Yes, brilliant performances. :P :laugh:
Who said brilliant?
Moldy apples & oranges.
QuoteThough in fairness, the script is probably more at fault there.
Yeah, plenty of poorly written lines aplenty, but the actors really went all in with them to the best of their ability imo.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2020, 01:48:16 PM
Shut up Dale, you're too stupid to talk.
That's one I love. :P I often find myself thinking about that line during the day.
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Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2020, 01:48:16 PM
Shut up Dale, you're too stupid to talk.
That's one I love. :P I often find myself thinking about that line during the day.
:D
Shut up [
insert name here], you're too stupid to talk.
Quote from: 50percentJoe on Jan 10, 2020, 11:51:57 AMAlso, I mean really, how can I argue with a predator that has Harvey Keitel as a namesake?
Because said Predator's a moron who completely fails at his sole objective and is only "badass" because every time he fights an Alien it conveniently forgets it has claws, tails and jaws with which it could attack him while he stands there striking a pose?
If Wolf didn't fail the movie would have ended in the sewers.
Plus the old-timer was blind in one-eye! Give 'em a break!
The Predator definitely has the better and more notable cast, but I feel it set my expectations too high for that in that I expected a more charismatic cast. Where AVPR the only person I recognized was Rickety Cricket, and that sets the bar for what I expect a lot lower in terms of memorable characters.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2020, 12:22:12 PM
The fight between Wolf and Chet was far from solid, it was silly. Firstly, we have what is essentially animal just deciding to wait patiently while Wolf slowly removes his mask. Then the fight itself is just full of ultra close ups.
Wolf may have had a cool design but he was incompetent, not only was he incapable of doing his job, he actively made the situation worse multiple times.
The other thing with the final fight is that it's barely two minutes of screen time - including Wolf disarming himself. We finally see a Predator go toe-to-toe with a PredAlien (may its name be forever cursed) and a quarter of the fight is the Predator taking his clothes off while his opponent just stands there and watches.
Quote from: 50percentJoe on Jan 10, 2020, 10:45:43 PM
The Predator definitely has the better and more notable cast, but I feel it set my expectations too high for that in that I expected a more charismatic cast. Where AVPR the only person I recognized was Rickety Cricket, and that sets the bar for what I expect a lot lower in terms of memorable characters.
I thought Johnny Lewis as Ricky did a good job. It's my favorite performance of the film.
I can sympathize only with Sheriff Eddie Morales. He seems to me as a guy who just tries to do his best in a really shitty situation.
Other characters though ...
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Quote from: Kradan on Jan 11, 2020, 05:29:25 PM
I can sympathize only with Sheriff Eddie Morales. He seems to me as a guy who just tries to do his best in a really shitty situation.
Yeah, he's very much in over his head. And everyone just keeps f**king telling him. Sucked to be him.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 11, 2020, 02:36:32 AM
I thought Johnny Lewis as Ricky did a good job. It's my favorite performance of the film.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 11, 2020, 02:36:32 AM
Quote from: 50percentJoe on Jan 10, 2020, 10:45:43 PM
The Predator definitely has the better and more notable cast, but I feel it set my expectations too high for that in that I expected a more charismatic cast. Where AVPR the only person I recognized was Rickety Cricket, and that sets the bar for what I expect a lot lower in terms of memorable characters.
I thought Johnny Lewis as Ricky did a good job. It's my favorite performance of the film.
So help me God I agree there.
Unfortunately the whole messed up-get-into-trouble thing turned out to be a real life issue for the actor, he killed a cat and an old woman before he fell to his death.
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Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 02, 2020, 05:34:36 PM
Just throw AVP, AVPR and The Predator in the trash, and be done with it.
Hey you forgot AR! If you don't include that, all bets are off!
Then remove A:R and AvP from the bin after second thought ;D
Man, AR is far better than all that tripe. C'mon now. :)
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 11, 2020, 05:29:25 PM
I can sympathize only with Sheriff Eddie Morales. He seems to me as a guy who just tries to do his best in a really shitty situation.
Other characters though ...
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Same. John Ortiz is his name and he's a good actor from what I've seen of him. He would've been well suited in a proper Alien movie, not this rubbish.
Quote from: PsyKore on Jan 13, 2020, 11:34:40 AM
Man, AR is far better than all that tripe. C'mon now. :)
AR?
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Quote from: SiL on Jan 11, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 11, 2020, 02:36:32 AM
Quote from: 50percentJoe on Jan 10, 2020, 10:45:43 PM
The Predator definitely has the better and more notable cast, but I feel it set my expectations too high for that in that I expected a more charismatic cast. Where AVPR the only person I recognized was Rickety Cricket, and that sets the bar for what I expect a lot lower in terms of memorable characters.
I thought Johnny Lewis as Ricky did a good job. It's my favorite performance of the film.
So help me God I agree there.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 13, 2020, 01:24:33 PM
Quote from: PsyKore on Jan 13, 2020, 11:34:40 AM
Man, AR is far better than all that tripe. C'mon now. :)
AR?
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It's really not. It's way more interesting than those run-of-the-mill AvP's.
I can enjoy Resurrection but will put first AvP above it, The Predator on the same exact level with it and AvPR wayyyyy beneath it.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 13, 2020, 01:24:33 PM
Quote from: PsyKore on Jan 13, 2020, 11:34:40 AM
Man, AR is far better than all that tripe. C'mon now. :)
AR?
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It's really not. It's way more interesting than those run-of-the-mill AvP's.
In my book it really, really is. But hey, if we all agreed, this forum would be pretty boring! ;D
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Quote from: PsyKore on Jan 13, 2020, 10:16:53 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 13, 2020, 01:24:33 PM
Quote from: PsyKore on Jan 13, 2020, 11:34:40 AM
Man, AR is far better than all that tripe. C'mon now. :)
AR?
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It's really not. It's way more interesting than those run-of-the-mill AvP's.
In my book it really, really is. But hey, if we all agreed, this forum would be pretty boring! ;D
True. But let's meet in the middle and say that I'm right. J/K ;D
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 13, 2020, 10:19:35 PM
I can enjoy Resurrection but will put first AvP above it, The Predator on the same exact level with it and AvPR wayyyyy beneath it.
I thought you liked The Predator.
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Quote from: Kradan on Jan 13, 2020, 10:19:35 PM
I can enjoy Resurrection but will put first AvP above it, The Predator on the same exact level with it and AvPR wayyyyy beneath it.
I thought you liked The Predator.
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Yes, and yet he's still got enough taste, to see it's real place in the rankings.
https://collider.com/alien-movies-ranked/
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 14, 2020, 08:41:17 AM
Yes, and yet he's still got enough taste, to see it's real place in the rankings.
You need taste to align with the popular opinion?
The overall popular opinion with critics and audiences has Prometheus over Convenant, but you informed me just yesterday:
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 13, 2020, 10:36:16 PM
Let me know the next time the popular opinion is the correct one.
It's nothing to do with popularity, just good taste, yes Requiem is the most unpopular of the entire series, but popularity's got no bearing on quality it just also happens to be trash. Covenant isn't as popular as Prometheus, but is superior. My point is that aggregate scoring genuinely representing quality is usually only ever a coincidence. And apart from the fact Prometheus is the one unsure of what it is and therefore requires switching places with Covenant, I nearly wholeheartedly agree with this: https://collider.com/alien-movies-ranked/
I probably prefer Covenant over Prometheus, even though Prometheus easily had the potential to be the better of the two.
Yes, it certainly did, pity.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 14, 2020, 01:10:28 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 13, 2020, 10:19:35 PM
I can enjoy Resurrection but will put first AvP above it, The Predator on the same exact level with it and AvPR wayyyyy beneath it.
I thought you liked The Predator.
I still do. I just stick to "The Predator is Resurrection of Predator franchise. " opinion.
I guess really it all boils down to expectations for me. The Predator left a more lingering since of disappointment, and honestly managed to have far worse scenes for me in terms of low points. AvPR I went into it already disliking the first one, and was pleasantly surprised with a stupid, over the top, gory mess. Neither is good, but ultimately Wolf and Chet were less offensive to my palette than wasting an opportunity to do a really direct sequel to Predator 2.
Quote from: 50percentJoe on Jan 14, 2020, 11:01:11 PM
I guess really it all boils down to expectations for me. The Predator left a more lingering since of disappointment, and honestly managed to have far worse scenes for me in terms of low points. AvPR I went into it already disliking the first one, and was pleasantly surprised with a stupid, over the top, gory mess. Neither is good, but ultimately Wolf and Chet were less offensive to my palette than wasting an opportunity to do a really direct sequel to Predator 2.
A point that stings! :-\
Pffft, With such attitude P2 is wasted opportunity to do direct sequel to Predator. WITH ARNOLD, GODDANIT !
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 15, 2020, 06:42:45 AM
Pffft, With such attitude P2 is wasted opportunity to do direct sequel to Predator. WITH ARNOLD, GODDANIT !
That's what was the prevailing thought back then. In 1990-1991 Arnold was the biggest box-office star in the world. It was like having a Die Hard movie without Bruce Willis. Or a Speed movie without Keanu Reeves.... oh wait... ;)
Predator 2 was middling on reception, but it still did a lot of things right. We saw a Predator doing his thing, a cool design with a bunch of new Predator tech, Danny Glover honestly made a likable protagonist, and Gary Busey's role was a rewrite of what was intended for Arnold. I really do ponder what the movie would have been like had we gotten Arnie as an Ahab to the Predator in the sequel. We also got the lore expansions with the ship, the establishment of how long they've been hunting on earth for sport, etc.
Predator 2 isn't as good as the first sure, but it does a ton right despite its flaws. The Predator on the other hand feels like it wanders aimlessly only to go, "I bet they hunt for aspergers and are planning an invasion force." Which never really fit much of any of the Predator lore to me.
I didn't really have an issue with the lore or motives in The Predator. It was just presented in a really clunky manner.
Quote from: 50percentJoe on Jan 15, 2020, 10:39:21 PM
Predator 2 was middling on reception, but it still did a lot of things right. We saw a Predator doing his thing, a cool design with a bunch of new Predator tech, Danny Glover honestly made a likable protagonist, and Gary Busey's role was a rewrite of what was intended for Arnold.
That factoid remains unverified:
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=62786.0
QuoteI really do ponder what the movie would have been like had we gotten Arnie as an Ahab to the Predator in the sequel. We also got the lore expansions with the ship, the establishment of how long they've been hunting on earth for sport, etc.
I am ecstatic that Arnold didn't come back and hurl the Predator franchise into the trappings of being a Schwarzenegger franchise much like Terminator, or Alien with Sigourney Weaver, where studios would later feel these actors are still needed to be successful. (Thank goodness the Alien prequels broke that habit.)
No reoccurring characters in a Predator franchise where the intergalactic alien hunters are the star in standalone films? Yes, please and thank you!
QuotePredator 2 isn't as good as the first sure, but it does a ton right despite its flaws. The Predator on the other hand feels like it wanders aimlessly only to go, "I bet they hunt for aspergers and are planning an invasion force." Which never really fit much of any of the Predator lore to me.
To me Predator 2 is equal to Predator. Where new found appreciation is starting to rear its head for P2 with many nowadays, the old criticisms I still don't personally understand to this day.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=60943.0
Quote from: 50percentJoe on Jan 15, 2020, 10:39:21 PMThe Predator on the other hand feels like it wanders aimlessly only to go, "I bet they hunt for aspergers and are planning an invasion force."
If the novelisation's anything to go by, the invasion sub-plot was something else added in by the studio reshoots.
I wish we got a genuine Predator 3 myself, following on from the ending of Predator 2.
So. Much. Agreed.
And that's why I dislike The Predator more than AVPR. Its got so much more it let down and disappointed me with.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 17, 2020, 03:25:43 PM
I wish we got a genuine Predator 3 myself, following on from the ending of Predator 2.
There's always that
Hunting Grounds prequel novel!
But I want a film, leading from, "2" into a direct sequel that is "3" with that number in the title.
(https://i.ibb.co/Sxt2JSC/IMG-20190222-221747.jpg)
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/b4bcee2c4fb6bf9c1da07914b6e5f11e/tenor.gif)
Hopefully, yes.
Moved to General A/P chat.
It's funny 'cause I've tried to defend The Predator so much but haven't seen the movie itself in quite a while. And to be honest I'm a bit scared to re-watch it now 'cause suspect that my opinion about it can change dramatically :-\
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 16, 2020, 05:51:32 PM
It's funny 'cause I've tried to defend The Predator so much but haven't seen the movie itself in quite a while. And to be honest I'm a bit scared to re-watch it now 'cause suspect that my opinion about it can change dramatically :-\
If it does, it does.
I voted The Predator. The Predator is 4/10 to me. AvPR is 2/10 to me.
The Predator falls apart near the end.
AvP:R falls apart near the start.
The Predator has a much more stupid premise, but is executed a little better.
AvPR makes me laugh
The Predator almost entertains but then f**ks out entirely
I'd rather laugh at something busted than be frustrated by something that was nearly acceptable then tripped over itself repeatedly down a staircase.
I find some of AvPR funny, but by the end of it I'm kinda annoyed. But I think it's more due to the waste of time and squandered potential of the franchise. Because we aren't gonna probably have the chance again for a decent AvP movie. Same with Predator.
I find the "Government doesn't lie to people" faintly amusing if only for the reactions from the other characters.
"People are dying, we need guns"
"Are you looking at me or the clock? "
"What is this, the Titanic? Screw women and children first."
There's literally one thing in Requiem I find it possible to enjoy - Brian Tyler's soundtrack.
But I can listen to that without having to subject myself to the rest of the movie. And it's an infinitely more pleasant experience.
The only bit I can remember is when Dallas zaps the Alien on the helipad and it's practically the same as Bishop hovering the dropship into view in the AP Station. It suits the scene, but it's practically a cover version.
His entire score is basically little more than a greatest hits compilation of the previous soundtracks, but that's why it's so enjoyable and he does a good job with it.
That I can agree with.
It's a like tribute band. It just reminds that you could be at home listening to the real thing.
Much like the entire film.
I love a decent tribute band me ;D
Can't abide them.
I'd play in one, but can't fathom why people would pay money to see one.
To be honest, the cover bands I go and see tend to be for acts that are otherwise defunct, so it's about the only option there is to see them live.
And while plenty aren't anything to shout about, there are the odd few that really are excellent. Limehouse Lizzy, for instance.
A cover band in a pub I don't mind (I played in one a very long time ago). But a band that recreates a show of another band - I don't get it.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2020, 08:57:11 AM
There's literally one thing in Requiem I find it possible to enjoy - Brian Tyler's soundtrack.
But I can listen to that without having to subject myself to the rest of the movie. And it's an infinitely more pleasant experience.
I feel like Brian's score was TOO much a mixtape version of both franchises soundtracks. Which he definitely did a great job replicating those films motifs and melodies.
While I feel he should have definitely taken inspiration from those films tracks. He should have found something that was unique, whilst adhering to the overall aesthetic of both franchises scores.
Although there is a tightrope to walk there I think. As too much of an original score might lead you off the path of either franchise, in terms of tonal consistency. Which would leave you with a rather unremarkable soundtrack a la' Harold Kloser and AVP.
I wonder if it was his idea or if it was what he was asked to do by the studio?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2020, 01:19:45 PM
I wonder if it was his idea or if it was what he was asked to do by the studio?
Interesting question. I wonder if the Bros. had a hand in the scores direction? Since the film itself is a Mixtape.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2020, 10:35:31 AM
I love a decent tribute band me ;D
Yeah, I'd rather have this than Harald Kloser's generic, paint by numbers AvP score.
Only if the cover beats the original (which is unlikely, though by no means impossible!)has merit, otherwise it's pointless. I prefer tributes over soft rip offs any day 8)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 30, 2020, 02:48:42 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2020, 10:35:31 AM
I love a decent tribute band me ;D
Yeah, I'd rather have this than Harald Kloser's generic, paint by numbers AvP score.
I still think Kloser's score still had some very good and unique tracks. Down the Tunnel, Hanging Bodies and Ancient History (I think?) always stand out for me.
Although not as good, Harald Kloser's Southern Lights has that ancient mystery vibe of Jed Kurzel's Dead Civilization.
https://youtu.be/LlnWDD3QcYE
https://youtu.be/MAYyePl9esQ
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 30, 2020, 05:27:15 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 30, 2020, 02:48:42 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2020, 10:35:31 AM
I love a decent tribute band me ;D
Yeah, I'd rather have this than Harald Kloser's generic, paint by numbers AvP score.
I still think Kloser's score still had some very good and unique tracks. Down the Tunnel, Hanging Bodies and Ancient History (I think?) always stand out for me.
History Of The World, perhaps?
It's not bad per say. It's all just very competent to me.
AVP:R is obviously the shittier movie, but after watching The Predator twice (fast-forwarded myself through the second half as it's painfully excruciating to pull through the whole thing), I have to say that AVP:R is way more "enjoyable" despite its amateurish C-movie worthlessness. The Predator, to me, is probably the least enjoyable movie out of all the AVP/A/P movies out there, and to be frank, in many ways it's arguably nearly as stupid as AVP:R.
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Mar 30, 2020, 01:27:29 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2020, 01:19:45 PM
I wonder if it was his idea or if it was what he was asked to do by the studio?
Interesting question. I wonder if the Bros. had a hand in the scores direction? Since the film itself is a Mixtape.
AvP: Rehash
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 30, 2020, 05:27:15 PM
I still think Kloser's score still had some very good and unique tracks. Down the Tunnel, Hanging Bodies and Ancient History (I think?) always stand out for me.
I actually like the main theme. It doesn't stand out in the film but it's nice to listen to on its own.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 30, 2020, 09:59:52 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 30, 2020, 05:27:15 PM
I still think Kloser's score still had some very good and unique tracks. Down the Tunnel, Hanging Bodies and Ancient History (I think?) always stand out for me.
I actually like the main theme. It doesn't stand out in the film but it's nice to listen to on its own.
I will see your main AvP theme...
And raise you AvP Requiem's main theme...
Quote from: SiL on Mar 30, 2020, 09:59:52 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 30, 2020, 05:27:15 PM
I still think Kloser's score still had some very good and unique tracks. Down the Tunnel, Hanging Bodies and Ancient History (I think?) always stand out for me.
I actually like the main theme. It doesn't stand out in the film but it's nice to listen to on its own.
Yeah it's pretty decent but I'm struggling to recall where it is in the film?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 30, 2020, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 30, 2020, 09:59:52 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 30, 2020, 05:27:15 PM
I still think Kloser's score still had some very good and unique tracks. Down the Tunnel, Hanging Bodies and Ancient History (I think?) always stand out for me.
I actually like the main theme. It doesn't stand out in the film but it's nice to listen to on its own.
I will see your main AvP theme...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwLvjbmRacw
And raise you AvP Requiem's main theme...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT-UYVvu_NA
I still love Requiem's theme. I wouldn't even be mad if they brought that back or even redid it for a Predator movie its a great theme.
I don't remember that in the movie either. It's not a bad piece of music, but conjures up military bombast and doesn't seem remotely suitable to the film it's scoring. It would've been good for the national guard rolling in - alas, another failure of that sequence.
Quote from: SM on Mar 30, 2020, 10:20:28 PM
Yeah it's pretty decent but I'm struggling to recall where it is in the film?
The only time I can think of it is at the end when the Predators appear and take Scar.
Quote from: SM on Mar 30, 2020, 11:32:34 PM
I don't remember that in the movie either. It's not a bad piece of music, but conjures up military bombast and doesn't seem remotely suitable to the film it's scoring. It would've been good for the national guard rolling in - alas, another failure of that sequence.
The first section plays during the opening, and some bits are used I think towards the end during the hospital scenes.
AvPR's theme isn't bad at all but I prefer AvP's. AvPR just makes me want to listen to Holst's
Mars or Alien 3's soundtrack.
I was actually enjoying The Predator until the Assassin turned up. Awful after that.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 30, 2020, 09:21:28 PM
AVP:R is obviously the shittier movie, but after watching The Predator twice (fast-forwarded myself through the second half as it's painfully excruciating to pull through the whole thing), I have to say that AVP:R is way more "enjoyable" despite its amateurish C-movie worthlessness. The Predator, to me, is probably the least enjoyable movie out of all the AVP/A/P movies out there, and to be frank, in many ways it's arguably nearly as stupid as AVP:R.
Quote from: Ronoc on Mar 31, 2020, 01:41:16 PM
I was actually enjoying The Predator until the Assassin turned up. Awful after that.
Yeah, that seems to be the common turning point.
I mean, I can at least see whats going on in The Predator the entire time
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Mar 31, 2020, 03:23:37 PM
I mean, I can at least see whats going on in The Predator the entire time
That's too bad...
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/ea914385-70d7-476d-aa3b-37d0c449c464/dctj0hn-fd8068f6-423d-4b5d-b048-f1dfa20e3e34.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2VhOTE0Mzg1LTcwZDctNDc2ZC1hYTNiLTM3ZDBjNDQ5YzQ2NFwvZGN0ajBobi1mZDgwNjhmNi00MjNkLTRiNWQtYjA0OC1mMWRmYTIwZTNlMzQuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.9ORD13QALWtA4Wc2fdOYi1WvKSCBFQhmZQ0bG4d-Org)
;D
I have never realized how frog like those stupid things have looked till just now.
It makes me miss Tracker's hounds even more :'(
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 31, 2020, 04:04:49 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Mar 31, 2020, 03:23:37 PM
I mean, I can at least see whats going on in The Predator the entire time
That's too bad...
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/ea914385-70d7-476d-aa3b-37d0c449c464/dctj0hn-fd8068f6-423d-4b5d-b048-f1dfa20e3e34.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2VhOTE0Mzg1LTcwZDctNDc2ZC1hYTNiLTM3ZDBjNDQ5YzQ2NFwvZGN0ajBobi1mZDgwNjhmNi00MjNkLTRiNWQtYjA0OC1mMWRmYTIwZTNlMzQuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.9ORD13QALWtA4Wc2fdOYi1WvKSCBFQhmZQ0bG4d-Org)
;D
BURN THAT THING!
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 31, 2020, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 31, 2020, 04:04:49 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Mar 31, 2020, 03:23:37 PM
I mean, I can at least see whats going on in The Predator the entire time
That's too bad...
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/ea914385-70d7-476d-aa3b-37d0c449c464/dctj0hn-fd8068f6-423d-4b5d-b048-f1dfa20e3e34.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2VhOTE0Mzg1LTcwZDctNDc2ZC1hYTNiLTM3ZDBjNDQ5YzQ2NFwvZGN0ajBobi1mZDgwNjhmNi00MjNkLTRiNWQtYjA0OC1mMWRmYTIwZTNlMzQuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.9ORD13QALWtA4Wc2fdOYi1WvKSCBFQhmZQ0bG4d-Org)
;D
BURN THAT THING!
It looks like a Guillermo del Toro style creature...or even like a classic :laugh:
(https://i.imgur.com/HK9Foed.png)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 31, 2020, 04:04:49 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Mar 31, 2020, 03:23:37 PM
I mean, I can at least see whats going on in The Predator the entire time
That's too bad...
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/ea914385-70d7-476d-aa3b-37d0c449c464/dctj0hn-fd8068f6-423d-4b5d-b048-f1dfa20e3e34.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2VhOTE0Mzg1LTcwZDctNDc2ZC1hYTNiLTM3ZDBjNDQ5YzQ2NFwvZGN0ajBobi1mZDgwNjhmNi00MjNkLTRiNWQtYjA0OC1mMWRmYTIwZTNlMzQuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.9ORD13QALWtA4Wc2fdOYi1WvKSCBFQhmZQ0bG4d-Org)
;D
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/Kogujap7iH67e/source.gif)
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 31, 2020, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 31, 2020, 04:04:49 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Mar 31, 2020, 03:23:37 PM
I mean, I can at least see whats going on in The Predator the entire time
That's too bad...
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/ea914385-70d7-476d-aa3b-37d0c449c464/dctj0hn-fd8068f6-423d-4b5d-b048-f1dfa20e3e34.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2VhOTE0Mzg1LTcwZDctNDc2ZC1hYTNiLTM3ZDBjNDQ5YzQ2NFwvZGN0ajBobi1mZDgwNjhmNi00MjNkLTRiNWQtYjA0OC1mMWRmYTIwZTNlMzQuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.9ORD13QALWtA4Wc2fdOYi1WvKSCBFQhmZQ0bG4d-Org)
;D
BURN THAT THING!
Woof! :laugh:
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 31, 2020, 05:07:25 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 31, 2020, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 31, 2020, 04:04:49 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Mar 31, 2020, 03:23:37 PM
I mean, I can at least see whats going on in The Predator the entire time
That's too bad...
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/ea914385-70d7-476d-aa3b-37d0c449c464/dctj0hn-fd8068f6-423d-4b5d-b048-f1dfa20e3e34.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2VhOTE0Mzg1LTcwZDctNDc2ZC1hYTNiLTM3ZDBjNDQ5YzQ2NFwvZGN0ajBobi1mZDgwNjhmNi00MjNkLTRiNWQtYjA0OC1mMWRmYTIwZTNlMzQuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.9ORD13QALWtA4Wc2fdOYi1WvKSCBFQhmZQ0bG4d-Org)
;D
BURN THAT THING!
It looks like a Guillermo del Toro style creature...or even like a classic :laugh:
https://i.imgur.com/HK9Foed.png
Yeah actually, it kind of does!
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 30, 2020, 09:21:28 PM
AVP:R is obviously the shittier movie, but after watching The Predator twice (fast-forwarded myself through the second half as it's painfully excruciating to pull through the whole thing), I have to say that AVP:R is way more "enjoyable" despite its amateurish C-movie worthlessness. The Predator, to me, is probably the least enjoyable movie out of all the AVP/A/P movies out there, and to be frank, in many ways it's arguably nearly as stupid as AVP:R.
I'd say AVPR is like Critters (1986) taking itself too seriously: alien rampage on a small town with space cleaners kicking the alien asses. There is even a glimpse of an extraterrestrial place, and an alpha Critter so to speak; which is Bigger and Badder. :laugh:
I guess one can enjoy it as a campy movie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_(style)) or the Alien / Predator equivalent of So Bad, It's Good (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoBadItsGood). In the case of The Predator, I think is just bad though, and it's a shame cos unlike Brothers Strause...Shane Black had more resources on hand and was part of the original Predator. :-\
Ok this is not a plot hole by any means, and might be fall into the "plot convenient" category. Although it's still somewhat inconsistent with the Predator lore, so here we go. In AVP Requiem, the Predator crew didn't even bother to scanning Scar's body for the sake of security, and we know that they can do that...
(https://media.giphy.com/media/TGu0Tpy78aF13wMIAJ/giphy.gif)
They could have found the Predalien and destroyed the body or whatever. :P
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 05, 2020, 08:08:09 PM
Ok this is not a plot hole by any means, and might be fall into the "plot convenient" category. Although it's still somewhat inconsistent with the Predator lore, so here we go. In AVP Requiem, the Predator crew didn't even bother to scanning Scar's body for the sake of security, and we know that they can do that...
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They could have found the Predalien and destroyed the body or whatever. :P
To be fair, you have to blame the first AvP film for setting that up. Requiem had no choice but to follow it through. :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 05, 2020, 08:59:30 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 05, 2020, 08:08:09 PM
Ok this is not a plot hole by any means, and might be fall into the "plot convenient" category. Although it's still somewhat inconsistent with the Predator lore, so here we go. In AVP Requiem, the Predator crew didn't even bother to scanning Scar's body for the sake of security, and we know that they can do that...
https://media.giphy.com/media/TGu0Tpy78aF13wMIAJ/giphy.gif
They could have found the Predalien and destroyed the body or whatever. :P
To be fair, you have to blame the first AvP film for setting that up. Requiem had no choice but to follow it through. :)
Fair enough again ;D
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The Predator should not even be able to use x-ray vision as that requires sending out radiation.
It's conceivable it could be built into it's mask though.
Why shouldn't they be able to use x-ray vision?
On the audio commentary Anderson said he intentionally have all the predators at the end unmasked so they wont see the embryo so its not a plothole if no one is wearing a mask, merely a question why
Quote from: SM on Jun 16, 2020, 12:51:19 PM
Why shouldn't they be able to use x-ray vision?
Because of the mechanics on how x-rays work, the predator would need to constantly be shooting out radiation to be able to see inside an organism, at least that is how I think x-rays work.
That being said, we are talking about a species that has plasma weapons and cloaking system, so its not really the most out there thing about them. :P
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 16, 2020, 12:14:48 PM
It's conceivable it could be built into it's mask though.
Perhaps but I am not sure if there is any helmet or goggles that can see through organics like that. At least by current technology. Glad to see you are ok though, you have been gone awhile.
Is it possible to fit a nuke in the wrist thingo along with everything else the wrist thingo does?
In my opinion, The Predator, while not great, is still a better and much more entertaining film than AVP2.
X-ray imaging works by basically drawing an outline of where x-rays aren't in an image.
You have an emitter, a subject, and a sensor. The emitter shoots out x-rays, the subject absorbs/deflects some of the particles, and the sensor picks up what's left.
The Predator's helmet would act as the sensor, collecting x-rays from the environment to produce an image. The problem is, no natural source produces enough x-rays to show what we see, and most man-made sources don't either.
So either the Predator sees a highly enhanced x-ray image, or it could be some kind of spiffy augmented reality image based on information from a number of inputs giving a virtual view of something's insides.
I'm not a geek of imaging devices, so I'll be listening in the corner while I'm taking note.
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Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 16, 2020, 02:09:42 PM
On the audio commentary Anderson said he intentionally have all the predators at the end unmasked so they wont see the embryo so its not a plothole if no one is wearing a mask, merely a question why
Well, it would be a smart move once they recovered the body of one of their comrades from an Aliens hatchery built by them. For security I mean. I think is a case of plot convenience, for the sake of cliffhanger, and is not by any means a big deal anyway. :P
The Predalien had to be born for the last shot no matter what.
Quote from: SM on Jun 16, 2020, 09:29:50 PM
Is it possible to fit a nuke in the wrist thingo along with everything else the wrist thingo does?
Is it a nuke though? :laugh:
Seems more like some energy based explosion. But like I said, this is a species that is using all manner of tech so me nitpicking is kind of pointless :P
Quote from: SiL on Jun 17, 2020, 03:54:10 AM
X-ray imaging works by basically drawing an outline of where x-rays aren't in an image.
You have an emitter, a subject, and a sensor. The emitter shoots out x-rays, the subject absorbs/deflects some of the particles, and the sensor picks up what's left.
The Predator's helmet would act as the sensor, collecting x-rays from the environment to produce an image. The problem is, no natural source produces enough x-rays to show what we see, and most man-made sources don't either.
So either the Predator sees a highly enhanced x-ray image, or it could be some kind of spiffy augmented reality image based on information from a number of inputs giving a virtual view of something's insides.
Yeah, sounds about right.
I heard they shouldn't be able to see infared like that either as it would fry their brains or something. When they are unmaske that is I think.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jun 17, 2020, 10:16:25 AM
Seems more like some energy based explosion.
... that's what a nuke is.
... and every other kind of explosion. The rapid release of energy from chemical reactions in conventional explosives, or nuclear reactions in nukes.
QuoteI heard they shouldn't be able to see infared like that either as it would fry their brains or something. When they are unmaske that is I think.
No. Animals on Earth sense prey in infrared (notably snakes). And things like mantis shrimp see in many more wavelengths of light than humans and most animals. Infrared is just light that has less energy than red on the visible light spectrum, it wouldn't fry your brain.
I meant more like plasma, so poor choice of words on my part.
I know that, but I mean in how it sees exactly, apparently it shouldn't be able to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_IWaxuARP0
I love that guy's stuff.
At the end he says their eyes would have to be designed differently and use cells and proteins not known on Earth -- not that it would necessarily be impossible, just require some truly, well, entirely alien biology.
So definitely unlikely, but not strictly out of the question.
He does say they'd be fried if they could naturally see in ultraviolet, though :P
I suppose its possible that the infared thing might be artificially induced to make them better trackers. Though I kind of hate the whole self upgrading storyling that The Predator pushed.
I like his videos too, very entertaining and fascinating.
Again, he doesn't say that seeing in infrared is necessarily impossible -- just outside of Earth biology, and probably not ideal.
You could say that maybe they sense heat like a snake and that their eyes serve a slightly different purpose like depth perception and that what we see is just making their alien senses comprehensible to us.
... or that they have alien eyes adapted to see infrared and just leave it at that because it's cool and why not.
Congratulations to AvP:R on its promotion up the bad movie ladder.
You just wait. AvP:R will grow on you like a fine brandy!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 18, 2020, 08:58:44 PM
You just wait. AvP:R will grow on you like a fine brandy!
I feel like you just insulted brandy
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 18, 2020, 08:58:44 PM
You just wait. AvP:R will grow on you like a fine brandy!
I think it's more like cheap tequila. It's shit, but sometimes a lot of fun.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 18, 2020, 08:58:44 PM
You just wait. AvP:R will grow on you like a fine brandy!
More like a mould.
For me AVPR is actually better. It at least tries to be something, like a horror movie, or a new version of Critters. Its awful but its still a monsters in a small town kind of a flick. The Predator..oh boy, this along with Maximum Overdrive and a new version of Children of the Corn must be one of the worst movies ever made. Realy, all i was thinking throughout this movie was how an adult person could write this or even greenlight it
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jun 18, 2020, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 18, 2020, 08:58:44 PM
You just wait. AvP:R will grow on you like a fine brandy!
I feel like you just insulted brandy
She's a fine girl.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 21, 2020, 03:51:35 AM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jun 18, 2020, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 18, 2020, 08:58:44 PM
You just wait. AvP:R will grow on you like a fine brandy!
I feel like you just insulted brandy
She's a fine girl.
And with some wine, can create some perfect organisms.
Compared to The Predator, Requiem is a f**king masterpiece
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 21, 2020, 09:33:45 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 21, 2020, 03:51:35 AM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jun 18, 2020, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 18, 2020, 08:58:44 PM
You just wait. AvP:R will grow on you like a fine brandy!
I feel like you just insulted brandy
She's a fine girl.
What a good wife she would be.
But my life, my lover, my lady is the sea
Quote from: happypred on Jul 18, 2020, 01:41:47 PM
Compared to The Predator, Requiem is a f**king masterpiece
Just like you said, Requiem is a masterpiece compared to The Predator. I'm surprised that more people voted The Predator as best movie than Requiem 😱
Quote from: happypred on Jul 18, 2020, 01:41:47 PM
Compared to The Predator, Requiem is a f**king masterpiece
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Quote from: aliens13 on Jul 18, 2020, 01:57:11 PM
Quote from: happypred on Jul 18, 2020, 01:41:47 PM
Compared to The Predator, Requiem is a f**king masterpiece
Just like you said, Requiem is a masterpiece compared to The Predator. I'm surprised that more people voted The Predator as best movie than Requiem 😱
Maybe people just sincerely think so
The beginning and fugitive escape scene is better than anything in AvP:R. The Predator has a couple laughs and is more competently made... and you can see it.
The Predator is a sucky movie but AvPR is straight to video and barely better than an Asylum movie.
You get what the title promises in AVPR. Aliens fighting a Predator.
In the Predator, all you get is bad jokes. The whole movie is a bad joke.
False advertisement. I'll take a lower budget, less fancy looking movie that gives me what I ask for, over that Home Alone spinoff they tried to pass off as a Predator film anyday.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 18, 2020, 03:49:59 PM
You get what the title promises in AVPR. Aliens fighting a Predator.
In the Predator, all you get is bad jokes. The whole movie is a bad joke.
False advertisement. I'll take a lower budget, less fancy looking movie that gives me what I ask for, over that Home Alone spinoff they tried to pass off as a Predator film anyday.
More like one Predator slaughtering a lot of Aliens :P
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 18, 2020, 03:58:07 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 18, 2020, 03:49:59 PM
You get what the title promises in AVPR. Aliens fighting a Predator.
In the Predator, all you get is bad jokes. The whole movie is a bad joke.
False advertisement. I'll take a lower budget, less fancy looking movie that gives me what I ask for, over that Home Alone spinoff they tried to pass off as a Predator film anyday.
More like one Predator slaughtering a lot of Aliens :P
Can we said that AvP is more respectful to the Aliens that AvPR? 🤔
There was definitely a re-balancing of the scales after net-head in AVP.
Both films swung hard in different directions. We need a 3rd film to even things out.
I don't think that we NEED one. Let them where they are.
I didn't ask for anything AvPR gave us :laugh:
Quote from: aliens13 on Jul 18, 2020, 04:20:42 PM
I don't think that we NEED one. Let them where they are.
Oh yes, yes we do.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 18, 2020, 04:21:31 PM
I didn't ask for anything AvPR gave us :laugh:
"It's good for you boy. Eat it."
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 18, 2020, 04:24:20 PM
Quote from: aliens13 on Jul 18, 2020, 04:20:42 PM
I don't think that we NEED one. Let them where they are.
Oh yes, yes we do.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 18, 2020, 04:21:31 PM
I didn't ask for anything AvPR gave us :laugh:
"It's good for you boy. Eat it."
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A third disappointment? No, thanks. I pass 😂
I think that AvP only works on games and comics (I never read one through), I don't like the concept for a movie.
Looks like your posts got a bit jumbled there.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 18, 2020, 04:45:33 PM
Looks like your posts got a bit jumbled there.
Just a little bit 😅
Quote from: aliens13 on Jul 18, 2020, 04:11:30 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 18, 2020, 03:58:07 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 18, 2020, 03:49:59 PM
You get what the title promises in AVPR. Aliens fighting a Predator.
In the Predator, all you get is bad jokes. The whole movie is a bad joke.
False advertisement. I'll take a lower budget, less fancy looking movie that gives me what I ask for, over that Home Alone spinoff they tried to pass off as a Predator film anyday.
More like one Predator slaughtering a lot of Aliens :P
Can we said that AvP is more respectful to the Aliens that AvPR? 🤔
Yes, we can
Not saying Requiem is a good movie, but The Predator is just horrendous...it goes beyond corny or cheap
Honestly, I'd rather watch The Predator up to the Fugitive's death and stop than watch any of Requiem.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 20, 2020, 10:21:32 AM
Honestly, I'd rather watch The Predator up to the Fugitive's death and stop than watch any of Requiem.
As I said in the The Predator v Resurrection thread I still can't quite forgive The Predator for the disappointment after the escape from the lab when I started to think it was the best Predator film yet. Oh well. :(
As for Requiem, Wolf and his actually hunting the aliens almost makes up for the rest of the film (almost).
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 20, 2020, 10:21:32 AM
Honestly, I'd rather watch The Predator up to the Fugitive's death and stop than watch any of Requiem.
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The Predator doesn't even try to respect its subject matter or take it seriously.
Both AvP movies were poorly executed, but both tried to do the best within the parameters set by the studios...so no AvP in space with Colonial Marines.
The Predator went full retarded comedy. Like Traeger blowing off his own head...WTF
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 20, 2020, 10:21:32 AM
Honestly, I'd rather watch The Predator up to the Fugitive's death and stop than watch any of Requiem.
Yeah, up to that point I actually enjoy it just for the Fugitive. Anything past that is terrible.
But I still stick with AvP-R in this one.
Quote from: TStyx on Jul 20, 2020, 04:57:47 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 20, 2020, 10:21:32 AM
Honestly, I'd rather watch The Predator up to the Fugitive's death and stop than watch any of Requiem.
As I said in the The Predator v Resurrection thread I still can't quite forgive The Predator for the disappointment after the escape from the lab when I started to think it was the best Predator film yet. Oh well. :(
As for Requiem, Wolf and his actually hunting the aliens almost makes up for the rest of the film (almost).
I agree, that whole scene when fugitive is escaping & running on the roof of the lab is one of the best, if not the best looking in motion predator we have had on film. Then 10 mins later we get a hulking CGI mess. Oh what could have been, still haunts me.
At least with AVPR we get wolf just showing us what an old veteran predator can do. That is when we can see him in screen hahaha hopefully Disney can give us a color corrected 4K remaster!!
QuoteAt least with AVPR we get wolf just showing us what an old veteran predator can do.
Fail repeatedly?
Quote from: SM on Jul 21, 2020, 10:32:19 PM
QuoteAt least with AVPR we get wolf just showing us what an old veteran predator can do.
Fail repeatedly?
I mean technically doesn't every predator fail in the movies hahaha
The others generally succeed more than they fail.
Wolf had one job.
When I watch AVPR I like to imagine that this is the first time the predators are coming across a Pred-alien. In the unrated edition, when wolf uses the bio helmet of his dead comrade. He discovers the pred-alien, that's why he reacts the way he does & grabs extra gear. I don't view him as failing but more him learning and adapting to a new creature unlike anything he or any predator has came across. Sure it was a simple conceal and contain mission at first but like in the original Predator, the mission changes into something new joins the party.
Quote from: SM on Jul 21, 2020, 10:41:05 PM
The others generally succeed more than they fail.
Wolf had one job.
Ya know this is a valid complaint. As much as I like Wolf, why would he disarm himself and fight the predalien head to head. I understand the yautja code of honor, but he was not on a vacation he was here to contain an outbreak and he instead settles down for a good old h2h fight. Very silly and honestly dumbest part of the movie. Took balls to do that though, to take off your super gear and fight this thing mano e mano
It's an itch he just had to scratch!
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 18, 2020, 02:20:17 PMThe beginning and fugitive escape scene is better than anything in AvP:R.
This. Those two scenes alone make it a substantially better movie.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 22, 2020, 08:40:43 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 18, 2020, 02:20:17 PMThe beginning and fugitive escape scene is better than anything in AvP:R.
This. Those two scenes alone make it a substantially better movie.
*cough* opening wolf throne scene better than both *cough*
The Predator planet looked cool but his flippy over CGI screen was cheezy as.
It's with a heavy heart that I vote for AvPR
I'm a huge Alien fan, and I honestly think the AvP crossovers never did justice for the Alien part of the Franchise, often representing them as weak oversized bugs bred to be killed. I could go on about this but I won't for now.
One thing is being misrepresented in a crossover, the other is being misrepresented in your own movie, The Predator managed to insult the Predator creature as much as both AvPs did to Alien, but this time, in only one movie instead of 2. The Predator tries to say that instead of the Yautjas being a prideful xenophobic society that has ritualistic laws and taboos, they are space scientists seeking to modify themselves via alien DNA, quite literally making a space Cell from Dragon Ball. The movie also tries to say autism is not only a super power that allows you to translate languages, but also our next step in evolution, basically saying that the Predators hunt us to weaponize our autism, you can't make this shit up.
I couldn't see shit in AvPR, but at least I didn't have to see the abomination that were the preda-dogs or more of the inaccurate Pred mandibles.
I'm so so glad PHG and Stalking Shadows are doing their best to get rid of the "they hunt for DNA" plot, completely disregarding the events of that godawful movie.
I wouldn't brand what one group of Predators did in The Predator as indicative of the entire species. Same with the Predators in the third film.
Big difference, in Predators we are told word by word that there are different groups of Yautja doing different things. The exposition in that movie makes it clear they are different
Meanwhile in The Predator, the exposition purposely targets the whole species and not just a specific group, so much so that the "good" Predator is called of a fugitive, as if he had broken universal Yautja laws.
I'm not seeing any "universal" laws. Just different monsters doing different stuff.
One of the reasons I like the sound of Black's original cut more is you had three "normal" Predators all ganging up - and even working with humans - to deal with the Upgrade and all his mad genetic engineering shiz.
The cut we actually got made it seem more like the Fugitive was the outcast and what the Upgrade was doing was considered kosher.
Traeger's speech in the barn kind of backs that up, too.
I haven't seen the shitheap since cinemas, but I left with the impression this is what a significant number of the Predator population was doing.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 22, 2020, 08:40:43 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 18, 2020, 02:20:17 PMThe beginning and fugitive escape scene is better than anything in AvP:R.
This. Those two scenes alone make it a substantially better movie.
Definitely. I find the character stuff in AvPR way too painful, and Wolf too stupid to truly enjoy AvP Requiem as much as I do the first half of The Predator. I genuinely like the cast of The Predator, and I do enjoy the characters much more - even if it's in the comedy tone.
I mean - in my opinion they're both ultimately trash, but The Predator is the less sticky trash. There's a little corner of it that I can pick up without getting that gooy bin juice on my hands.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 23, 2020, 09:26:51 AM
I mean - in my opinion they're both ultimately trash, but The Predator is the less sticky trash. There's a little corner of it that I can pick up without getting that gooy bin juice on my hands.
The trick, William Potter, is not minding that It hurts
Also, ewwwww
What an oddly stimulating metaphor.
Is the autism thing worse than eggbarfing?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 23, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
Is the autism thing worse than eggbarfing?
It is, the movie depicts autism as a super power, the kid learned Predator language by playing with a wrist computer, hell super power part aside the characteristics the kid has also don't match autism but another condition, they also try to say autism is the next step in evolution and that the Predators hunt us for it
The Predaliens kiss was a bit stupid and was there simply cuz they needed something to bring more xenos, but it was still very f**ked up and rapey like the original alien
It's amazing of how much mileage we get out of
what sucks worse? We never grow tired of it! :laugh:
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 23, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
Is the autism thing worse than eggbarfing?
The egg-barfing makes sense... once you consider the
Voodoo Magic Egg-Barfing Theory! (trademark pending)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 23, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
Is the autism thing worse than eggbarfing?
Nothing in this franchise is worse than egg barfing. Did someone honestly forget the direct path to the womb :o
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 23, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
Is the autism thing worse than eggbarfing?
Nothing in this franchise is worse than egg barfing. Did someone honestly forget the direct path to the womb :o
Yautja mouth = Reproductive Organ
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DNA Reflex. Predator DNA is dominant and exerts a greater influence over the Alien species than other species.
1. Does it mean that all Predators we've seen in the movies so far are females? I haven't seen a Predator with a pennis sticking out of its mouth
2. Are there actually Predators with dicks in their mouthes ? Because that's ... horrific
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 23, 2020, 11:15:48 PM
1. Does it mean that all Predators we've seen in the movies so far are females? I haven't seen a Predator with a pennis sticking out of its mouth
2. Are there actually Predators with dicks in their mouthes ? Because that's ... horrific
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😂😂
I mean fellas... the females from hunting grounds look pretty cute... talk about a good time 😳😳😳
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 23, 2020, 11:15:48 PM
2. Are there actually Predators with dicks in their mouthes?
Only when they misbehave.
Okay but it is it universally agreed female predators would give like the best head ever? 🥵
Quote from: Tichinde on Jul 24, 2020, 05:32:20 AM
Okay but it is it universally agreed female predators would give like the best head ever? 🥵
I would not imagine so, no.
For so many reasons.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 24, 2020, 05:57:24 AM
Quote from: Tichinde on Jul 24, 2020, 05:32:20 AM
Okay but it is it universally agreed female predators would give like the best head ever? 🥵
I would not imagine so, no.
For so many reasons.
Pointy pointy ouchy ouchy
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jul 23, 2020, 06:40:02 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 23, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
Is the autism thing worse than eggbarfing?
Nothing in this franchise is worse than egg barfing. Did someone honestly forget the direct path to the womb :o
Also this.
What you guys didn't like the brutal murder of pregnant women and their unborn fully developed fetuses via unconsensual makeout and eventual belly bursting?
Best part of the movie imo.
It is a terrible concept made even worse by the two hack directors having aliens go after a pregnant woman in a very similar manner in their very next film.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 24, 2020, 07:06:54 PM
It is a terrible concept made even worse by the two hack directors having aliens go after a pregnant woman in a very similar manner in their very next film.
I had a similar problem with David cutting up Shaw's uterus.
Quote from: Wweyland on Jul 24, 2020, 08:03:53 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 24, 2020, 07:06:54 PM
It is a terrible concept made even worse by the two hack directors having aliens go after a pregnant woman in a very similar manner in their very next film.
I had a similar problem with David cutting up Shaw's uterus.
Lol, you mean experimenting on a dead woman with all sorts of goop isn't kosher?
Why does the Aliens universe have to be so weird sometimes man, I didn't sign on for this.
Edit: local trouble and SM destroyed me I wave white flag in peace 🏳
That's funny, I always thought the body horror was a selling-point.
You did sign up for this, David gets a pass because it comes off as echoing something like a combination of Dracula, Frankenstein and Hannibal- Requiem comes off as little better than fetish porn.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2020, 09:31:06 PM
That funny. I always thought the body horror was a selling-point.
The bit about alien monsters using living people as wombs? Naaah.
I didn't sign up for that!
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jul 24, 2020, 10:04:20 PM
You did sign up for this, David gets a pass because it comes off as echoing something like a combination of Dracula, Frankenstein and Hannibal- Requiem comes off as little better than fetish porn.
Requiem is worse by a long shot absolutely no doubt. Though I don't know if it was MEANT to be as weird as it was to see, I feel like it was meant to be unnerve you not turn you on. But the human race has a habit of weird kinky sexual interpretations
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2020, 10:33:55 PM
I didn't sign up for that!
I mean yeah, fair point. I guess I "signed up for it" I just expect less overtly creepy bullshit from Ridley Scott tbh. Besides why is anyone defending covenant lol, thought that was a movie we all Universally agree was lame
Quote from: SM on Jul 24, 2020, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2020, 09:31:06 PM
That funny. I always thought the body horror was a selling-point.
The bit about alien monsters using living people as wombs? Naaah.
Well I mean POWERFUL PHALIC CHEST BURSTER RIPS THROUGH HUMAN MAN! 😏 that part's hot bro. The mutilation of a lifeless defensive female body? No no. Bad, not okay with me 😐
She's not putting up much of a defence if she's lifeless.
Quote from: SM on Jul 24, 2020, 10:44:02 PM
She's not putting up much of a defence if she's lifeless.
For Dachande's sake. I give up, typing on a phone has weakened my response. Into Exile I must go, failed I have
Quote from: SM on Jul 24, 2020, 10:44:02 PM
She's not putting up much of a defence if she's lifeless.
Unless she's playing possum.
Quote from: Tichinde on Jul 24, 2020, 10:46:18 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 24, 2020, 10:44:02 PM
She's not putting up much of a defence if she's lifeless.
For Dachande's sake. I give up, typing on a phone has weakened my response. Into Exile I must go, failed I have
Yoda, you are?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2020, 09:31:06 PM
That funny. I always thought the body horror was a selling-point.
Me thinks you nailed it.
There is body horror and then there is trashy. AvPR is trashy.
And when your effects have been done better in other every film in the series, it makes it even worse. Body horror is a selling point for me but only when done well. Not a fan of the cheap and tasteless. Its not even the egg barfing itself so much as how it was utilized.
Not to let Predator off the hook, their use of Autism in the film was also garbage. I actually was engaged in the beginning. But the film quickly dispense with any of the kids behaviors and forgets its even a thing until its mentioned at the end.
AVPR easily, it still follows the lore of the franchise and is a normal alien vs predator movie although badly shot and poor story and makes the xenomorphs very dumb and just prey for the predator who is op like hell for plot....
I dont have any problems with the xenomorphs killing babies and children or anyone as that is what xenomorphs do: kill and use humans as hosts and impregnates them as they focus on breeding and surviving. So seeing pregnant women being used no problem, I thought it was cool and dark and twisted, just like xenomorphs should be. But it could been shot way better and explored but nahh.
The predator redo and breaks the predator lore and tries to tie in the predator franchise with the alien again... alien franchise dont need predator but predator franchise is desperate to connect with alien.
Also I found it horrible bad and the logic in it is flawed. In some scenes the super predator seems unkillable and can t be shot and made predator fans start claiming predators now rule and can kill alien queens with their hands alone.... And in other scene they kill it with a weak pistol with ease, so its not as unkillable as it seemed or bullet proof, it can easily be killed by assault rifles etc, just nbeed to hit it.
AVPR wins.
Quote from: judge death on Jul 26, 2020, 03:32:12 AMThe predator redo and breaks the predator lore and tries to tie in the predator franchise with the alien again...
In what way did it tie into the
Alien franchise (not counting some ridiculous deleted scenes that never got used)?
Also... you dislike
The Predator because it tries to tie
Predator into
Alien, yet you like a film that is a literal tie-in between
Alien and
Predator?
Maybe he means the artifacts from AvP...?
And I'm not sure which lore it broke.
Quote from: SM on Jul 26, 2020, 10:47:55 AM
Maybe he means the artifacts from AvP...?
And I'm not sure which lore it broke.
Yep, in AVPR they show the alien tail spear that was used in the first AVP movie and several references although, tying in the movie to the avp movies.
With the lore:
the whole idea of predators are waiting for earth to get warmer and preparing for invasion and have higher science than shown earlier with them now playing with genes changing and the whole idea of them just coming to earth to hunt as a lifestyle is out of the window and the see a child as the ultimate weapon and will use his genes of autism to improve themself for a upcoming invasion. And the normal predator is a joke now as super predators is the new thing and what the predator society is now.
A reason why many predator fans felt hit in the face by this movie.
AvP lore was never good tbh, making the aliens part of Predator culture and bred only ot be killed is such an insult to the Alien franchise
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 26, 2020, 04:26:36 PM
AvP lore was never good tbh, making the aliens part of Predator culture and bred only ot be killed is such an insult to the Alien franchise
I don't quite see this aspect as implausible or an insult to the Alien franchise, as long as the Aliens are still handled with respect. To me, something like David being the creator of the Xenomorph is far worse...
The fact that Predators bred aliens to hunt shows they consider them to be a worthy opponent, its the closest thing to respect Predators will ever show to another creature. Heck they are called the ultimate prey on AVP.
Next to the alien being the creation of a sexually frustrated android with daddy issues that mixed space goo with wasps to make up for not having a willy... AVP lore doesn't seem that bad. Most of the time Predators try to control aliens things end up getting bad for them anyway.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2020, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 26, 2020, 04:26:36 PM
AvP lore was never good tbh, making the aliens part of Predator culture and bred only ot be killed is such an insult to the Alien franchise
I don't quite see this aspect as implausible or an insult to the Alien franchise, as long as the Aliens are still handled with respect. To me, something like David being the creator of the Xenomorph is far worse...
Damn straight.
Quote from: judge death on Jul 26, 2020, 01:31:10 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 26, 2020, 10:47:55 AM
Maybe he means the artifacts from AvP...?
And I'm not sure which lore it broke.
Yep, in AVPR they show the alien tail spear that was used in the first AVP movie and several references although, tying in the movie to the avp movies.
With the lore:
the whole idea of predators are waiting for earth to get warmer and preparing for invasion and have higher science than shown earlier with them now playing with genes changing and the whole idea of them just coming to earth to hunt as a lifestyle is out of the window and the see a child as the ultimate weapon and will use his genes of autism to improve themself for a upcoming invasion. And the normal predator is a joke now as super predators is the new thing and what the predator society is now.
A reason why many predator fans felt hit in the face by this movie.
Cinematographically speaking, The Predator is a better movie than AVPR. And no, it's not because of the highest budget. Predators has the same budget than AVPR and still it's a superior film. It's bad direction.
However, I've to agree that The Predator has affected the lore in a negative way (without being a prequel :laugh:) as you point out.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jul 26, 2020, 08:02:04 PM
The fact that Predators bred aliens to hunt shows they consider them to be a worthy opponent, its the closest thing to respect Predators will ever show to another creature. Heck they are called the ultimate prey on AVP.
Well, at least in the first AVP that idea was well executed.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2020, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 26, 2020, 04:26:36 PM
AvP lore was never good tbh, making the aliens part of Predator culture and bred only ot be killed is such an insult to the Alien franchise
I don't quite see this aspect as implausible or an insult to the Alien franchise, as long as the Aliens are still handled with respect. To me, something like David being the creator of the Xenomorph is far worse...
Neither are good, both just go to ruin the original alien movies
AvP doesn't treat the aliens with respect, sure, you can say the Predators view the aliens as worthy prey, but that doesn't change the fact they are farmed like cattle only to be killed by teenage predators
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 26, 2020, 08:42:17 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2020, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 26, 2020, 04:26:36 PM
AvP lore was never good tbh, making the aliens part of Predator culture and bred only ot be killed is such an insult to the Alien franchise
I don't quite see this aspect as implausible or an insult to the Alien franchise, as long as the Aliens are still handled with respect. To me, something like David being the creator of the Xenomorph is far worse...
Neither are good, both just go to ruin the original alien movies
AvP doesn't treat the aliens with respect, sure, you can say the Predators view the aliens as worthy prey, but that doesn't change the fact they are farmed like cattle only to be killed by teenage predators
"Teenage Predators" sounds feeble yet are so more formidable than humans. And remember a single human can take down a single Alien rather quickly with a decent firearm, hence why we need plot mechanisms like a maximum security prison on the "honor system" to bring some balance.
Quote from: judge death on Jul 26, 2020, 01:31:10 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 26, 2020, 10:47:55 AM
Maybe he means the artifacts from AvP...?
And I'm not sure which lore it broke.
Yep, in AVPR they show the alien tail spear that was used in the first AVP movie and several references although, tying in the movie to the avp movies.
With the lore:
the whole idea of predators are waiting for earth to get warmer and preparing for invasion and have higher science than shown earlier with them now playing with genes changing and the whole idea of them just coming to earth to hunt as a lifestyle is out of the window and the see a child as the ultimate weapon and will use his genes of autism to improve themself for a upcoming invasion. And the normal predator is a joke now as super predators is the new thing and what the predator society is now.
A reason why many predator fans felt hit in the face by this movie.
The fact there is a 'normal Predator' in both Predators and The Predator makes it very obvious that all of Predator society isn't like that.
#notallpredators
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jul 26, 2020, 08:02:04 PM
The fact that Predators bred aliens to hunt shows they consider them to be a worthy opponent, its the closest thing to respect Predators will ever show to another creature. Heck they are called the ultimate prey on AVP.
Next to the alien being the creation of a sexually frustrated android with daddy issues that mixed space goo with wasps to make up for not having a willy... AVP lore doesn't seem that bad. Most of the time Predators try to control aliens things end up getting bad for them anyway.
I don't like either of those
One is a crossover where the whole premise is the predators play gods and kill aliens for fun while the other is Ridley marketing his robot story as Alien so he can get funding for it, both are bad in their own ways, tho the first AvP movie is far more enjoynable than Covenant imo
It's not cuz one is worse that the other is automatically good, the Predators farming aliens is disrespectful, and the aliens playing a core part in Predator culture isn't good either, I don't like the fact the 2 franchises need to rely on eachother lorewise, they should be able to stand on their own legs even if they exist within the same Universe
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2020, 08:56:29 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 26, 2020, 08:42:17 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2020, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 26, 2020, 04:26:36 PM
AvP lore was never good tbh, making the aliens part of Predator culture and bred only ot be killed is such an insult to the Alien franchise
I don't quite see this aspect as implausible or an insult to the Alien franchise, as long as the Aliens are still handled with respect. To me, something like David being the creator of the Xenomorph is far worse...
Neither are good, both just go to ruin the original alien movies
AvP doesn't treat the aliens with respect, sure, you can say the Predators view the aliens as worthy prey, but that doesn't change the fact they are farmed like cattle only to be killed by teenage predators
"Teenage Predators" sounds feeble yet are so more formidable than humans. And remember a single human can take down a single Alien rather quickly with a decent firearm, hence why we need plot mechanisms like a maximum security prison on the "honor system" to bring some balance.
A single human can also take out a Predator with a good weapon, difference is, the weapons that we see killing the aliens quickly are usually futuristic weapons, with the only exception being Hick's shotgun. The Pulse Rifles for example use light armor piercing rounds with explosive tips, those do kill aliens. In the same movie we see a pistol which uses "normal" rounds, and the pistol did manage to penetrate and kinda kill an alien at point blank(after emptying the entire clip in it), but from any other distance we see the normal bullets straight up bouncing off their skin and doing no damage whatsoever.
I could also use Alien Isolation as a point of reference but everything most stuff in it relating to weapons is mostly for gameplay rather than lore, then again shooting it with weapons does make charge at you more aggressively in the game.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 26, 2020, 09:07:26 PM]
A single human can also take out a Predator with a good weapon, difference is, the weapons that we see killing the aliens quickly are usually futuristic weapons, with the only exception being Hick's shotgun.
And that's a big exception. But it really comes to intelligence and the Xenomorph's lack thereof. I'm not saying the Alien is deprived of intelligence... cutting the power etc.... but I equate this all to man versus beast. Why man is able to defeat the lion is the weapons man creates, the technology they create. Their minds make them superior. You strip a human down and they are no match for the lion. And the same goes with the Predator versus the Alien, albeit they're tougher than humans. But Predators' ability to craft tools, weapons, etc give them a gigantic imbalance of power over the Xenomorph. And that's why I don't see the Yautja breeding Aliens, and paying for it often severely, as an insult.
Humans were able to breed aliens in AR anyway. The concept isn't exclusive to AVP.
Well if we take the novel and some indications in the covenant movie: David didnt create the xenomorph, he just found it from the engineers and tried to replicate it but as we saw in the movie, its more a proto xenomorph as the eggs looks differently and the creature itself has several design differences and even bigger behaviour differences and also we wont know 100% until a sequel to it comes that shows the true xenomorph being created by him and connect it to alien 1 movie. But well thats more my own headcanon but it makes more sense than what the movie did so I stick with the novel and other sources, making covenant far more enjoyable then :P
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2020, 09:47:24 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 26, 2020, 09:07:26 PM]
A single human can also take out a Predator with a good weapon, difference is, the weapons that we see killing the aliens quickly are usually futuristic weapons, with the only exception being Hick's shotgun.
And that's a big exception. But it really comes to intelligence and the Xenomorph's lack thereof. I'm not saying the Alien is deprived of intelligence... cutting the power etc.... but I equate this all to man versus beast. Why man is able to defeat the lion is the weapons man creates, the technology they create. Their minds make them superior. You strip a human down and they are no match for the lion. And the same goes with the Predator versus the Alien, albeit they're tougher than humans. But Predators' ability to craft tools, weapons, etc give them a gigantic imbalance of power over the Xenomorph. And that's why I don't see the Yautja breeding Aliens, and paying for it often severely, as an insult.
Not a big exception, the shotgun in question was inside the Alien's mouth, and shotguns are pretty destructive.
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Aliens are shown to be way, way smarter than what you are saying, knowing how our tech works, being able to understand what we are trying to say like in Aliens, learning how we think and learning from theirs mistakes, the whole point is that they aren't just beasts, they are more than that, they aren't just animals, I mean, we have characters saying stuff like this only to be killed later for a reason lol
(https://i.imgur.com/X71UkV8.gif)
Don't get me wrong, I
LOVE Alien and Predator, what I don't like is how Alien Vs Predator has been executed so far (You and me both know how AvP badly affected the Preds and their faces), I just feel like both haven't had a proper versus yet, specially since most of them resort around Preds wanting to hunt, I would love to have a horror story from the point of view from a lone Predator on an alien infested colony, thinking he was going in for only a human hunt.
I love both Franchises almost equally and I want them to have a proper clash, I also think Predator lore is better off without the aliens and vice versa. Having the Xenos be this unknown and super rare dangerous species is way better than them being easily found and farmable. And having the Predators be this xenophobic and secretive species that hunts warriors from more primitive societies for sport, rituals and honor (NOT for DNA and autism.), having numerous clans that at times are at war is way better than what we got in 2018, luckily for us Predator is being fixed atm, we can only hope Alien also gets a lore revamp like Pred is getting.
Again, I love both Alien and Predator, just wish both were treated better, they were both my childhood back in 2005, I remember watching AvP and liking it when I was around 6 years old. My old man would go on to introduce me to the original movies, still remember him bringing a copy of Predator 2 home when he came back from a work trip, good times
^This! <3
Quote from: judge death on Jul 26, 2020, 11:43:00 PM
^This! <3
Are you saying this is good ?
(https://i.ibb.co/0t6MM8T/450-1000.jpg)
and this other thing is not so good?
(https://i.ibb.co/yF828wj/Pics-Art-07-26-08-09-41.jpg)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 27, 2020, 12:29:59 AM
Quote from: judge death on Jul 26, 2020, 11:43:00 PM
^This! <3
Are you saying this is good ?
https://i.ibb.co/0t6MM8T/450-1000.jpg
and this other thing is not so good?
(https://i.ibb.co/yF828wj/Pics-Art-07-26-08-09-41.jpg)
Need a dispenser here
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2020, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 26, 2020, 04:26:36 PM
AvP lore was never good tbh, making the aliens part of Predator culture and bred only ot be killed is such an insult to the Alien franchise
I don't quite see this aspect as implausible or an insult to the Alien franchise, as long as the Aliens are still handled with respect. To me, something like David being the creator of the Xenomorph is far worse...
BLUEPRINT BLUEPRINT BLUEPRINT!!!
If it's not a blueprint all other pre covenant alien stories cease to be. YOU WILL NOT TAKE AVP FROM ME! Do you understand?
I probably only speak for a very tiny portion of the fanbase in saying this, but David is far more interesting idea than the entire AVP concept.
David and AvP have at least one thing in common:
Spoiler
They were both cut mercifully short after only two movies.
Guess they beat Shaw then.
Spoiler
And Jar Jar.
And hopefully:
Spoiler
Fukking Trump
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 27, 2020, 02:45:45 AM
David and AvP have at least one thing in common:
Spoiler
They were both cut mercifully short after only two movies.
AvP 3 sounded good at least to me tbh. Sad requiem bombed because it destroyed the greatest crossover series in literary history
Quote from: kwisatz on Jul 27, 2020, 03:07:49 AM
Guess they beat Shaw then.
Spoiler
And Jar Jar.
He got three movies.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 27, 2020, 07:45:24 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on Jul 27, 2020, 03:07:49 AM
Guess they beat Shaw then.
Spoiler
And Jar Jar.
He got three movies.
I guess technically Shaw got 2 movies too. Both declined to near irrelevance after Episode 1 tho.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 26, 2020, 11:38:14 PM
Aliens are shown to be way, way smarter than what you are saying, knowing how our tech works, being able to understand what we are trying to say like in Aliens, learning how we think and learning from theirs mistakes, the whole point is that they aren't just beasts, they are more than that, they aren't just animals, I mean, we have characters saying stuff like this only to be killed later for a reason lol
https://i.imgur.com/X71UkV8.gif
Yes Aliens are smart creatures... I mentioned cutting the power in my post. They study, they learn, they adapt, they trap. Like the smartest animals on Earth. But they do not have a higher intelligence like humans, like Predators. There's no developed technology, reasoning, science, philosophy, religion. You can't equate the two. Alien is still, as Ridley Scott puts it, a beast. And that is why Predators trapping or breeding Aliens I don't find insulting, especially when it always seems to lead to disastrous results, as in these are monsters that shouldn't be f*cked with.
However, I do agree with you that this breeding isn't necessarily the best direction to take with a new Aliens vs Predator film - there are better approaches I think - and the execution of what we received do far has in AvP films has indeed been generally poor. I only hope I can see an AvP film executed properly one day. :-\
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 27, 2020, 01:07:14 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 26, 2020, 11:38:14 PM
Aliens are shown to be way, way smarter than what you are saying, knowing how our tech works, being able to understand what we are trying to say like in Aliens, learning how we think and learning from theirs mistakes, the whole point is that they aren't just beasts, they are more than that, they aren't just animals, I mean, we have characters saying stuff like this only to be killed later for a reason lol
https://i.imgur.com/X71UkV8.gif
Yes Aliens are smart creatures... I mentioned cutting the power in my post. They study, they learn, they adapt, they trap. Like the smartest animals on Earth. But they do not have a higher intelligence like humans, like Predators. There's no developed technology, reasoning, science, philosophy, religion. You can't equate the two. Alien is still, as Ridley Scott puts it, a beast. And that is why Predators trapping or breeding Aliens I don't find insulting, especially when it always seems to lead to disastrous results, as in these are monsters that shouldn't be f*cked with.
However, I do agree with you that this breeding isn't necessarily the best direction to take with a new Aliens vs Predator film - there are better approaches I think - and the execution of what we received do far has in AvP films has indeed been generally poor. I only hope I can see an AvP film executed properly one day. :-\
I don't think Ridley is that reliable to say stuff like that, Alien is what it is today thanks to Giger and O'bannon and Ronald Shusett aswel as Ridley, Ridley didn't make the alien, he directed it, don't give all the credit to him, specially since he doesn't know what to do with this franchise beyond using it to tell a completely different story
It's also worth noting both original Aliens played with the idea of the Aliens being far smarter than what they seemed, but ultimately decided to keep it vague, because some times, leaving something vague is better than over explaining it in a messy way that just ruins things
Maybe the Alien thinks technology, science, philosophy and religion are concepts not worth a damn, maybe they're the ultimate nihilists.
According to Covenant they're a ridiculously intelligent A.I, so...
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jul 27, 2020, 06:27:02 PM
Maybe the Alien thinks technology, science, philosophy and religion are concepts not worth a damn, maybe they're the ultimate nihilists.
According to Covenant they're a ridiculously intelligent A.I, so...
All the aliens are trying to do is live off the grid, and we keep on trying to push are tech agenda on them...I don't blame them for fighting back. #AmishAliens
Quote from: Gentleman Death on Jul 27, 2020, 06:38:25 PM
#AmishAliens
:laugh:
(https://i.ibb.co/TBMx6fs/amish-intro-split.png)
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 27, 2020, 04:20:14 PM
I don't think Ridley is that reliable to say stuff like that, Alien is what it is today thanks to Giger and O'bannon and Ronald Shusett aswel as Ridley, Ridley didn't make the alien, he directed it, don't give all the credit to him, specially since he doesn't know what to do with this franchise beyond using it to tell a completely different story
Giler and Hill too. Didn't they invent the aspects of the lore that Ridley is so keen on exploring now?
https://alienseries.wordpress.com/tag/ash/
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 27, 2020, 07:10:13 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 27, 2020, 04:20:14 PM
I don't think Ridley is that reliable to say stuff like that, Alien is what it is today thanks to Giger and O'bannon and Ronald Shusett aswel as Ridley, Ridley didn't make the alien, he directed it, don't give all the credit to him, specially since he doesn't know what to do with this franchise beyond using it to tell a completely different story
Giler and Hill too. Didn't they invent the aspects of the lore that Ridley is so keen on exploring now?
https://alienseries.wordpress.com/tag/ash/
Exactly! Alien wasn't only Ridley's, Alien came to be because it was an amalgamation of great writers, a great director and a great artist coming together, I really dislike when people try to say "Ridley made Alien so he knows what's best for it" (specially when they try to defend the retcons in Covenant) cuz it's basically untrue
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 27, 2020, 07:30:59 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 27, 2020, 07:10:13 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 27, 2020, 04:20:14 PM
I don't think Ridley is that reliable to say stuff like that, Alien is what it is today thanks to Giger and O'bannon and Ronald Shusett aswel as Ridley, Ridley didn't make the alien, he directed it, don't give all the credit to him, specially since he doesn't know what to do with this franchise beyond using it to tell a completely different story
Giler and Hill too. Didn't they invent the aspects of the lore that Ridley is so keen on exploring now?
https://alienseries.wordpress.com/tag/ash/
Exactly! Alien wasn't only Ridley's, Alien came to be because it was an amalgamation of great writers, a great director and a great artist coming together, I really dislike when people try to say "Ridley made Alien so he knows what's best for it" (specially when they try to defend the retcons in Covenant) cuz it's basically untrue
Ridley has a way too much credit for the movie, I would rank them:
Dan o bannon: the main key person in making the movie and coming up with the main plots and the mythical themes.
Giger: for the designs of the derelight and the space jockey and the xenomorph itself.
Giler and hill: for making the final adjustments on the script and story and adding the ash android and some more world building.
Ridley for shoting the movie and make it look bigger budget than it was and the acting and minor adjustments.
But all of these people worked together and none had a veto, unlike today where ridley like george lucas do whatever he feels like and hasnt to obey the other idea makers.
It was also when Laddie ran Fox.
Scott was instrumental in getting Giger on board from O'Bannon's suggestion and keeping the Jockey scene in place.
He may get too much credit sometimes but let's not swing too far the opposite way.
Riddles was responsible for how everyone's ideas came together (including his own) and how the movie ultimately came out.
He's given just the right amount of credit.
AvP-R just needs 18 more votes!
Any takers? ;D
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I want to change my vote :'(
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 05, 2021, 07:49:23 PM
I want to change my vote :'(
I'll ask Hicks if he can do some magic! :)
It's now amended so users can change their votes. :)
The results are ok like that ! :P
It's not my fault Immortan Jonesy has seen the error in his ways by voting "The Predator"! ;D
The Predator is better though, simply because it's not 100% complete shit.
Can it be 100% complete sh*t though, if there are a few aspects you liked? Wouldn't it, to be fair, just be 90% sh*t? ;D
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 06, 2021, 12:43:46 PM
The Predator is better though, simply because it's not 100% complete shit.
Are ya sure?
Yes, I'm sure
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 06, 2021, 03:57:07 PMAre ya sure?
I'm entirely sure.
Whatever sins it commits elsewhere, I will maintain until the day I die that the opening in Mexico and the lab breakout scene are actually really good, and comfortably the best live-action Predator action we've seen since
Predator 2.
Nothing in
Requiem is actually really good. Nothing in
Requiem is even mediocre. It's all just unwatchable, hateful shit.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 06, 2021, 10:58:56 AM
It's now amended so users can change their votes. :)
f**kin' cheating man
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 06, 2021, 10:58:56 AM
It's now amended so users can change their votes. :)
Awww, thanks Voodoo!
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 06, 2021, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 06, 2021, 10:58:56 AM
It's now amended so users can change their votes. :)
Awww, thanks Voodoo!
You got it!
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Would you say they have a "plethora" of votes?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 06, 2021, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 06, 2021, 03:57:07 PMAre ya sure?
I'm entirely sure.
Whatever sins it commits elsewhere, I will maintain until the day I die that the opening in Mexico and the lab breakout scene are actually really good, and comfortably the best live-action Predator action we've seen since Predator 2.
Nothing in Requiem is actually really good. Nothing in Requiem is even mediocre. It's all just unwatchable, hateful shit.
Agreed. The lab sequence is just fantastic. The Predator may go off the rails after he gets out, but before that is genuinely good stuff.
Damn ! The love ! The love ! :-*
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 07, 2021, 08:04:15 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 06, 2021, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 06, 2021, 03:57:07 PMAre ya sure?
I'm entirely sure.
Whatever sins it commits elsewhere, I will maintain until the day I die that the opening in Mexico and the lab breakout scene are actually really good, and comfortably the best live-action Predator action we've seen since Predator 2.
Nothing in Requiem is actually really good. Nothing in Requiem is even mediocre. It's all just unwatchable, hateful shit.
Agreed. The lab sequence is just fantastic. The Predator may go off the rails after he gets out, but before that is genuinely good stuff.
Before that lab sequence is genuinely good stuff? Say it isn't so brother Hicks!
McKenna's lame hostage betting joke? His dull encounter with the Pred? The mailing of the mask and swallowing the ball? Roy getting picked on? Rory and the chess boards pieces? Rory gets the mask from the mailman? Rory deciding what to be for Halloween with mom? Rory plays with the bio-mask? McKenna's unconvincing tough guy routine and quips during the interrogation?
Do I get a cookie now?Oofa! The lab fight is definitely good stuff. But anything other than the Predator Ships to me before that lab scene is below average at best and often cringey. Even the fakeish looking blood falling on the Predator's face that HuDaFuK is going to rave about in 5... 4.....3..... ;D
To me the best stuff comes after the lab scenes, like once Sterling K. Brown starts chewing scenery, the escape outside the lab, the genuinely funny scene surrounding an unconscious Casey and the Loonies in the hotel room, the Upgrade Predator against Stargazer, etc. That's the stuff I can still mindlessly enjoy with a beer in my hand. :)
While I do enjoy the lab breakout scene, it is actually there that the predator look the most like a guy in a suit.
This page is filling with heresy.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 07, 2021, 06:31:06 PM
While I do enjoy the lab breakout scene, it is actually there that the predator look the most like a guy in a suit.
You really had to say that, didn't you ? Just to give Voodoo that satisfaction :D
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 07, 2021, 08:18:46 PM
This page is filling with heresy.
Yep. Heresy of people saying that AVPR is better than The Predator
"Is that fear I hear in your voice colonel?"
"Are you looking at AvPR, The Predator, or the clock?"
"I'm looking at AvPR, then the clock, then The Predator.. but only with beer goggles."
;D
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Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 07, 2021, 06:31:06 PM
While I do enjoy the lab breakout scene, it is actually there that the predator look the most like a guy in a suit.
You really had to say that, didn't you ? Just to give Voodoo that satisfaction :D
Oh my man BDJ knows what's up with ADI Predators so far! :) But alas, I think that has as much to do with the performance as the suit itself. When The Fugitive is fighting The Upgrade too, it's all a constant reminder to me how truly great Kevin Peter Hall was as a performer. Predator severely misses him. :-[
Yeah as much as I want it, I doubt we'll see someone as gracious as KPH in the suit.
But... but... Brian A Prince ruled?
Sent back here after the little talk on the Skulls section:
AVPR over The Predator on the virtue of not even entertaining the idea of Predators hunting autistic kids to make them "stronger". Weaponized autism was supposed to be a meme forged from the darkest depths of 4chan, not something to be taken seriously but Shane Black and his buddy somehow did. It could have been a "so bad its good" film if it weren't for that end goal.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 07, 2021, 11:27:19 PM
Yeah as much as I want it, I doubt we'll see someone as gracious as KPH in the suit.
Wonder what he would have thought of the iconic alien he portrayed is now hunting for that sweet sweet autism.
I think their hearts were in the right place - or at least they thought their hearts were in the right place - with trying to reduce the "stigma" on autism.
But it was just so shoddily handled in every respect.
It sounds as if any heat it might have copped for that though was well and truly topped by Music.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 07, 2021, 12:43:23 PM
Before that lab sequence is genuinely good stuff? Say it isn't so brother Hicks!
I didn't say every single scene. And yeah, I f**king love Sterling K. Brown, but plot-wise I think it goes completely off-the-rails after the lab breakout scene.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 08, 2021, 12:24:05 AM
But... but... Brian A Prince ruled?
I think he mostly did great with what he was given in this movie, but I do think it's still below KPH's performances.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 08, 2021, 09:54:23 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 08, 2021, 12:24:05 AM
But... but... Brian A Prince ruled?
I think he mostly did great with what he was given in this movie, but I do think it's still below KPH's performances.
Personally, I'd put Ian Whyte over Prince too.
As the Engineer yes... As Predators? So exaggerated in the movements honestly.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 08, 2021, 02:02:26 PM
As the Engineer yes... As Predators? So exaggerated in the movements honestly.
I should have been more specific. I meant Ian Whyte's performance as Wolf.
As Wolf, you still felt there was over exaggeration?
Oh definitely, especially the hands and head turns, can't help himself lol.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 08, 2021, 02:50:20 PM
Oh definitely, especially the hands and head turns, can't help himself lol.
Hmm. Interesting. I just watched AvPR again last week and I didn't get that vibe. I'll pay closer attention next time and see if I can pick up on what you're feeling.
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Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 08, 2021, 09:54:23 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 08, 2021, 12:24:05 AM
But... but... Brian A Prince ruled?
I think he mostly did great with what he was given in this movie, but I do think it's still below KPH's performances.
Personally, I'd put Ian Whyte over Prince too.
As Wolf I can see why. But to be fair, Wolf had more screen time than Fugitive, so there's less performance to analyze for the latter.
I love Whyte playing Predators. Prince did good job but as was pointed above we actually got so little of him :'(
Ian Whyte overacts as the Predator, it is especially obvious when he plays Celtic, head cocking.
Yeah I see that a bit for Celtic. For Wolf I thought that was part of his charm though ;D
All of you who were pissed how autism was portrayed in The Predator should watch this:
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Truly a hidden gem
I have a son with autism and while it was represented terribly in The Predator I wasn't really offended or upset by it to much.
However Autism becoming part of a running joke when people talk about the film has been pretty depressing. Seems to only become more of a talking point as the film ages and usually comes off as inappropriate or callous.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 09, 2021, 11:24:12 AM
I have a son with autism and while it was represented terribly in The Predator I wasn't really offended or upset by it to much.
However Autism becoming part of a running joke when people talk about the film has been pretty depressing. Seems to only become more of a talking point as the film ages and usually comes off as inappropriate or callous.
Sorry you're feeling that way 426Buddy.
It's hard. I don't think anyone here is making fun of the developmental disability itself, or anyone or any family challenged by it, just the ridiculous nature of how the Assassin Upgrade Predator covets it. This often results in the movie being teased for Black and Dekker's creative choices, but never the condition itself is mocked. I would never want that line to be blurred, that's for certain.
It's hard because as an official entry to the franchise, "The Predator" will always be discussed among Predator fans until the end of time, and subsequently likely criticized for that aspect for the same duration.
I do remember though you were educating us on Autism back in 2018 when "The Predator" was released and on the depiction of Rory and the next step of evolution claims, and that was extremely helpful (at least to me). I'll always appreciate that. :)
I wonder if Shane Black knows his poor character was not only evicerated by a Predator, but then through another Predator's incompetence his f**king gravestone was obliterated.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 09, 2021, 11:24:12 AM
I have a son with autism and while it was represented terribly in The Predator I wasn't really offended or upset by it to much.
However Autism becoming part of a running joke when people talk about the film has been pretty depressing. Seems to only become more of a talking point as the film ages and usually comes off as inappropriate or callous.
I'm sorry, haven't meant to hurt your feelings, 426Buddy. I've recently re-watched
Mary & Max which among others deals with the issue of autism (something that is unfortuanetly strongly connected in people's minds to The Predator) in a much more respectful way and I just haven't thought of a better way to let people know about its existence. I mean, it's really well-done claymation cartoon with lots of heart in it and I don't think I've ever heard it being talked about here or anywhere else
Quote from: Tichinde on Jul 24, 2020, 04:57:04 PM
What you guys didn't like the brutal murder of pregnant women and their unborn fully developed fetuses via unconsensual makeout and eventual belly bursting?
Best part of the movie imo.
Quote from: Tichinde on Jul 24, 2020, 05:32:20 AM
Okay but it is it universally agreed female predators would give like the best head ever? 🥵
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A single human can also take out a Predator with a good weapon, difference is, the weapons that we see killing the aliens quickly are usually futuristic weapons, with the only exception being Hick's shotgun.
And that's a big exception. But it really comes to intelligence and the Xenomorph's lack thereof. I'm not saying the Alien is deprived of intelligence... cutting the power etc.... but I equate this all to man versus beast. Why man is able to defeat the lion is the weapons man creates, the technology they create. Their minds make them superior. You strip a human down and they are no match for the lion. And the same goes with the Predator versus the Alien, albeit they're tougher than humans. But Predators' ability to craft tools, weapons, etc give them a gigantic imbalance of power over the Xenomorph. And that's why I don't see the Yautja breeding Aliens, and paying for it often severely, as an insult.
Not a big exception, the shotgun in question was inside the Alien's mouth, and shotguns are pretty destructive.
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Aliens are shown to be way, way smarter than what you are saying, knowing how our tech works, being able to understand what we are trying to say like in Aliens, learning how we think and learning from theirs mistakes, the whole point is that they aren't just beasts, they are more than that, they aren't just animals, I mean, we have characters saying stuff like this only to be killed later for a reason lol
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Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Alien and Predator, what I don't like is how Alien Vs Predator has been executed so far (You and me both know how AvP badly affected the Preds and their faces), I just feel like both haven't had a proper versus yet, specially since most of them resort around Preds wanting to hunt, I would love to have a horror story from the point of view from a lone Predator on an alien infested colony, thinking he was going in for only a human hunt.
I love both Franchises almost equally and I want them to have a proper clash, I also think Predator lore is better off without the aliens and vice versa. Having the Xenos be this unknown and super rare dangerous species is way better than them being easily found and farmable. And having the Predators be this xenophobic and secretive species that hunts warriors from more primitive societies for sport, rituals and honor (NOT for DNA and autism.), having numerous clans that at times are at war is way better than what we got in 2018, luckily for us Predator is being fixed atm, we can only hope Alien also gets a lore revamp like Pred is getting.
Again, I love both Alien and Predator, just wish both were treated better, they were both my childhood back in 2005, I remember watching AvP and liking it when I was around 6 years old. My old man would go on to introduce me to the original movies, still remember him bringing a copy of Predator 2 home when he came back from a work trip, good times
Top tier post opinion.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 09, 2021, 12:18:46 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 09, 2021, 11:24:12 AM
I have a son with autism and while it was represented terribly in The Predator I wasn't really offended or upset by it to much.
However Autism becoming part of a running joke when people talk about the film has been pretty depressing. Seems to only become more of a talking point as the film ages and usually comes off as inappropriate or callous.
Sorry you're feeling that way 426Buddy.
It's hard. I don't think anyone here is making fun of the developmental disability itself, or anyone or any family challenged by it, just the ridiculous nature of how the Assassin Upgrade Predator covets it. This often results in the movie being teased for Black and Dekker's creative choices, but never the condition itself is mocked. I would never want that line to be blurred, that's for certain.
It's hard because as an official entry to the franchise, "The Predator" will always be discussed among Predator fans until the end of time, and subsequently likely criticized for that aspect for the same duration.
I do remember though you were educating us on Autism back in 2018 when "The Predator" was released and on the depiction of Rory and the next step of evolution claims, and that was extremely helpful (at least to me). I'll always appreciate that. :)
All good Voodoo, it's not bad here, most of us are pretty great and understanding. More talking about The Predator discussion on the internet in general. I'm touched you remembered that discussion though :).
Also as an update my son has been doing great. We have found a new ABA therapy company and they
have been truly amazing. Previous companies were literally a nightmare of epic proportions. He can communicate a bit better so his frustrations are much less. Also the self injuring and violent outbursts have gone down to almost 0 now. Some mild face slapping has returned but I'm confident we'll get past that too. He'll be 6 this year and will have to start school this fall... I'm so terrified of that.
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 09, 2021, 12:59:02 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 09, 2021, 11:24:12 AM
I have a son with autism and while it was represented terribly in The Predator I wasn't really offended or upset by it to much.
However Autism becoming part of a running joke when people talk about the film has been pretty depressing. Seems to only become more of a talking point as the film ages and usually comes off as inappropriate or callous.
I'm sorry, haven't meant to hurt your feelings, 426Buddy. I've recently re-watched Mary & Max which among others deals with the issue of autism (something that is unfortuanetly strongly connected in people's minds to The Predator) in a much more respectful way and I just haven't thought of a better way to let people know about its existence. I mean, it's really well-done claymation cartoon with lots of heart in it and I don't think I've ever heard it being talked about here or anywhere else
No worries Kradan, you're good. I haven't watched the video yet as it's been an especially emotional morning for me already lol so will probably get to it another day.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 09, 2021, 12:18:46 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 09, 2021, 11:24:12 AM
I have a son with autism and while it was represented terribly in The Predator I wasn't really offended or upset by it to much.
However Autism becoming part of a running joke when people talk about the film has been pretty depressing. Seems to only become more of a talking point as the film ages and usually comes off as inappropriate or callous.
Sorry you're feeling that way 426Buddy.
It's hard. I don't think anyone here is making fun of the developmental disability itself, or anyone or any family challenged by it, just the ridiculous nature of how the Assassin Upgrade Predator covets it. This often results in the movie being teased for Black and Dekker's creative choices, but never the condition itself is mocked. I would never want that line to be blurred, that's for certain.
It's hard because as an official entry to the franchise, "The Predator" will always be discussed among Predator fans until the end of time, and subsequently likely criticized for that aspect for the same duration.
I do remember though you were educating us on Autism back in 2018 when "The Predator" was released and on the depiction of Rory and the next step of evolution claims, and that was extremely helpful (at least to me). I'll always appreciate that. :)
All good Voodoo, it's not bad here, most of us are pretty great and understanding. More talking about The Predator discussion on the internet in general. I'm touched you remembered that discussion though :).
Also as an update my son has been doing great. We have found a new ABA therapy company and they
have been truly amazing. Previous companies were literally a nightmare of epic proportions. He can communicate a bit better so his frustrations are much less. Also the self injuring and violent outbursts have gone down to almost 0 now. Some mild face slapping has returned but I'm confident we'll get past that too. He'll be 6 this year and will have to start school this fall... I'm so terrified of that.
Aw man, that's fantastic. Wonderful to hear about your son's improvements!
Yeah, terrified. I get that. They say just sending your kids off to school in general can cause more anxiety for the parents than the children themselves. I'm sure it will get easier, but that first day? Oofa. Definitely take a day off from work on that first day of school if you can (if you're working).
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 09, 2021, 01:25:49 PM
Also as an update my son has been doing great. We have found a new ABA therapy company and they
have been truly amazing. Previous companies were literally a nightmare of epic proportions. He can communicate a bit better so his frustrations are much less. Also the self injuring and violent outbursts have gone down to almost 0 now. Some mild face slapping has returned but I'm confident we'll get past that too. He'll be 6 this year and will have to start school this fall... I'm so terrified of that.
A public school or a private/charter school? I had to put mine in a private school due to some setbacks she has. It made a world of difference.
Glad to hear things have improved, for you Buddy and also Apocalypse.
AVPR is a movie that tries to be dramatic with its human characters, scary with Aliens and badass with Predators. And while I genuinely like Wolf (looks, body language, tech etc.) and wish the movie was dedicated to nothing but him hunting Aliens it fails to make me feel anything towards main human cast (apart from sheriff Morales, I like him). Human characters are just SO unimaginative and cliched to me I don't care for any of them dying. Whole teenagers love plot makes my skin crawl. Aliens are portrayed as dumb movie monsters that exist to scare children and to be killed by Wolf in a badass looking way which is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
The Predator is a movie that goes for goofy, light tone and it makes no mistake about what it is, it's very much self-aware what kind of movie it is. I mean, movie that has Predator spitting on the car, PredDogs, kid wearing a Predator mask for Halloween, bunch of crazy ex-militaries making pussy jokes and man shitting metal ball doesn't really ring "serious", does it ? And I root for each member of the Loonies more than for anybody in AVPR where I just wait for people to be killed in horrific way to laugh. I like characters interactions, I feel something when Lynch gets his hand blown off, Coyle and Baxlie shoot each other or when Nebraska throws himself in spaceship's engine. As for the Predators, It's fair, if you take movie's portrayal of them as mocking but IMO it doesn't really try to hide what it's doing
In the end of the day, both movies have their share of problems but I enjoyed the one that knew what it was and was more honest about it more
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 13, 2021, 06:33:39 PM
AVPR is a movie that tries to be dramatic with its human characters, scary with Aliens and badass with Predators. And while I genuinely like Wolf (looks, body language, tech etc.) and wish the movie was dedicated to nothing but him hunting Aliens it fails to make me feel anything towards main human cast (apart from sheriff Morales, I like him). Human characters are just SO unimaginative and cliched to me I don't care for any of them dying. Whole teenagers love plot makes my skin crawl. Aliens are portrayed as dumb movie monsters that exist to scare children and to be killed by Wolf in a badass looking way which is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
The Predator is a movie that goes for goofy, light tone and it makes no mistake about what it is, it's very much self-aware what kind of movie it is. I mean, movie that has Predator spitting on the car, PredDogs, kid wearing a Predator mask for Halloween, bunch of crazy ex-militaries making pussy jokes and man shitting metal ball doesn't really ring "serious", does it ? And I root for each member of the Loonies more than for anybody in AVPR where I just wait for people to be killed in horrific way to laugh. I like characters interactions, I feel something when Lynch gets his hand blown off, Coyle and Baxlie shoot each other or when Nebraska throws himself in spaceship's engine. As for the Predators, It's fair, if you take movie's portrayal of them as mocking but IMO it doesn't really try to hide what it's doing
In the end of the day, both movies have their share of problems but I enjoyed the one that knew what it was and was more honest about it more
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So many people actually voted for AvPR?! The Predator is not very good, but AvPR is just a crime, it's not a movie.
Give this man a drink !
Quote from: TomT on Apr 15, 2021, 11:31:50 PM
So many people actually voted for AvPR?! The Predator is not very good, but AvPR is just a crime, it's not a movie.
Are you calling for the arrest of the Strause Brothers? :laugh:
I might.
Quote from: TomT on Apr 15, 2021, 11:31:50 PM
So many people actually voted for AvPR?! The Predator is not very good, but AvPR is just a crime, it's not a movie.
Good man, gooooood man
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Quote from: TomT on Apr 15, 2021, 11:31:50 PM
So many people actually voted for AvPR?! The Predator is not very good, but AvPR is just a crime, it's not a movie.
Are you calling for the arrest of the Strause Brothers? :laugh:
Yeah sure, I mean, why not ?
The behind the scenes moment where they tell their DP (I believe he was the DP right ?) to shut up when the guy said it was too dark was pure cringe. Just for that only, 10 years without parole ;D
Is that on YT ? I wanna see that right now :D
That's the only thing I could find, very short
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igNQ69fx_lg&ab_channel=Antimatter1138
Bahahaha
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 16, 2021, 01:12:58 PM
Quote from: TomT on Apr 15, 2021, 11:31:50 PM
So many people actually voted for AvPR?! The Predator is not very good, but AvPR is just a crime, it's not a movie.
Are you calling for the arrest of the Strause Brothers? :laugh:
I probably would if I could :) AvPR is the biggest crime against both franchises. If anyone should be arrested for making a movie, it's probably people who made and greenlighed this. Tom Rothman, Strause Brothers and Shane Salerno. Tom Rothman is also guility of killing Alien 5 from Ridley Scott and James Cameron to make AvP instead. This was also a huge crime, almost on the level of AvPR existence.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 16, 2021, 10:18:34 AM
Give this man a drink !
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Quote from: TomT on Apr 15, 2021, 11:31:50 PM
So many people actually voted for AvPR?! The Predator is not very good, but AvPR is just a crime, it's not a movie.
Good man, gooooood man
;D
Quote from: TomT on Apr 15, 2021, 11:31:50 PM
So many people actually voted for AvPR?! The Predator is not very good, but AvPR is just a crime, it's not a movie.
Aliens and Predators fighting each other
VS
Predators hunting children because of autism
"Aliens" and "Predators" allegedly.
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Quote from: Huggs on Apr 16, 2021, 08:50:46 PM
Quote from: TomT on Apr 15, 2021, 11:31:50 PM
So many people actually voted for AvPR?! The Predator is not very good, but AvPR is just a crime, it's not a movie.
Aliens and Predators fighting each other existing on screen at roughly the same time
VS
Predators hunting children because of autism
Fixed, but broadly I agree.
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 16, 2021, 08:50:46 PM
Quote from: TomT on Apr 15, 2021, 11:31:50 PM
So many people actually voted for AvPR?! The Predator is not very good, but AvPR is just a crime, it's not a movie.
Aliens and Predators fighting each other
VS
Predators hunting children because of autism
How can you see anything in Requiem considering how dark it is, let alone some Aliens and Predators fighting each other??
Still watching on dvd eh?
My DVD of it has always been poorly graded but entirely visible.
Something strange happened in that factory.
Requiem's cursed.
It has eggbarfing though.
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And dreads.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 17, 2021, 01:24:10 AM
It has eggbarfing though.
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And dreads.
AvPR for the win!
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It has eggbarfing though.
And dreads.
It's dread-ful, alright.
Also
Predators 2 comfortably wins the dread battle.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 17, 2021, 07:34:18 AM
Also Predators 2 comfortably wins the dread battle.
But it doesn't have them on an Alien.
Checkmate.
Predators 2 ?
:laugh:
God please no sequel to this one ;D
Maybe that would require a Rastafarian Predalien who can see Royce's future through his Voodoo shells.
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Quote from: Kradan on Apr 18, 2021, 03:16:30 PM
Predators 2 ?
How about Predators 2 vs. Aliens 3?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 18, 2021, 04:23:49 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 18, 2021, 03:16:30 PM
Predators 2 ?
How about Predators 2 vs. Aliens 3?
They haven't done Aliens 2 yet.
But maybe they can get cameron to sign on for like 5 sequels over 5 years.
Crabators: Hunting Grounds
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Quote from: Kradan on Apr 18, 2021, 03:16:30 PM
Predators 2 ?
How about Predators 2 vs. Aliens 3?
It would be more entertaining with the real names reflected in the creatures.
Predator 2 vs. Alien 3
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 18, 2021, 03:47:24 PM
Maybe that would require a Rastafarian Predalien who can see Royce's future through his Voodoo shells.
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:laugh:
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 18, 2021, 11:04:00 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 18, 2021, 04:23:49 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 18, 2021, 03:16:30 PM
Predators 2 ?
How about Predators 2 vs. Aliens 3?
They haven't done Aliens 2 yet.
It doesn't matter Huggsy! Aliens 3 exists!
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 18, 2021, 03:47:24 PM
Maybe that would require a Rastafarian Predalien who can see Royce's future through his Voodoo shells.
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:laugh:
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 18, 2021, 11:04:00 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 18, 2021, 04:23:49 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 18, 2021, 03:16:30 PM
Predators 2 ?
How about Predators 2 vs. Aliens 3?
They haven't done Aliens 2 yet.
It doesn't matter Huggsy! Aliens 3 exists!
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No, that can't be.
You're not reading it right!
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Quote from: TomT on Apr 15, 2021, 11:31:50 PM
So many people actually voted for AvPR?! The Predator is not very good, but AvPR is just a crime, it's not a movie.
So I thought before I saw The Predator which for me is one of the worst and most cringeworthy movies Ive ever seen, along with Maximum Overdrive and the newest version of Children of the Corn
>:(
Quote from: Kradan on May 08, 2021, 06:45:39 PM
>:(
No offense to anybody who likes it. Perhaps my expectations were set in a wrong direction. For some reason, maybe because this time I avoided spoilers and anything other than the first trailer, I expected an extremely serious film that would go back to its roots and, as the first film, and arguably the second, appeal even to the non scifi audiences do to its tone and story.
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 08, 2021, 10:18:19 PM
I expected an extremely serious film that would go back to its roots
Oh boy you must have felt cheated so bad :laugh:
I'd say so.
I was really hoping for The Predator to be schlocky in a Predator 2 sort of way, with an extra helping of The Nice Guys-style character banter.
Instead it was, uhh... a disaster. :-X I'd place it above AVPR, I guess, but as it stands both are movies that I watched once, don't own, and will almost certainly never watch again. Which is especially a real shame here, because Shane Black is usually great.
Indeed. From him so far I've seen Lethal Weapon, The Monster Squad, Iron Man 3 and The Nice Guys. All superior to The Predator.
I wonder what happened. :-\
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 09, 2021, 01:18:37 AM
I was really hoping for The Predator to be schlocky in a Predator 2 sort of way, with an extra helping of The Nice Guys-style character banter.
Predator 2.... schlocky?
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Oh yeah. Predator 2 is 100% schlock, and I say that completely endearingly. It is crass, kinda trashy, violent to an almost overwhelming degree, rough around the edges, and manages to top the original Predator as my favorite movie of the series for those very reasons. I love it.
I actually really wish Predators pushed more into a schlocky territory too; it could have really played up Robert Rodriguez's grindhouse style (I wish he actually directed it, rather than handed it off). As it is, it is way too clean/sterile. There is so much conceptually that I love about Predators, and the first half is fairly strong, but the movie unfortunately never amounts to its baked in potential. I still revisit it from time to time, though.
Fingers crossed that Trachtenberg isn't afraid to make his film a bit "messier," for lack of a better word, like the first two films.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 09, 2021, 02:29:08 AM
Oh yeah. Predator 2 is 100% schlock, and I say that completely endearingly. It is crass, kinda trashy, violent to an almost overwhelming degree, rough around the edges, and manages to top the original Predator as my favorite movie of the series for those very reasons. I love it.
Hmm. Me thinks then, there is better word than shlock... aka poorly made, aka inferior, aka shoddy... to match the feelings you're describing. But I'm a bottle of wine deep already, so I'll never figure it out tonight. ;D
Predator 2 + wine? what a tempting combination mmmm 🤔
We can tell, he was praising Predator 2, not calling out The Predator.
Oh ok.
AVPR every day rather than the insult that was the predator, cant stand that one, remember what most said at the cinema: that was the worst movie I have seen, that movie was a mess and made no sense etc xD
Whole idea and theme of it was flawed, then ugly dog designs and a story that made little sense, and didnt see much and made no sense. Almost missed how that evil guy killed himself with the predator weapon and some didnt even see it due to the editing. Then the whole super predator who is unkillable in one scene but in the next a pistol hurt it, and in the next scene a M4 dont do jackshit to it, and then a bomb does the trick and you can kill it with a pistol with no issue when m4s and machine guns etc couldnt even hurt him, ugh.
And predators gonna invade earth and climte change and why they hunt us humans and other prey for dna etc urgh.
Why don't you use the quote feature then? :laugh:
But I think I have the nomenclature.
Steelpunk ~ Alien films
Schlockpunk ~ Predator 2
Genericpunk ~ The Predator
80sfunnypunk ~ AVP Requiem
Coz you replied at the same time as me and I didn't notice?
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Quote from: StrangeShape on May 08, 2021, 10:18:19 PM
Quote from: Kradan on May 08, 2021, 06:45:39 PM
>:(
No offense to anybody who likes it. Perhaps my expectations were set in a wrong direction. For some reason, maybe because this time I avoided spoilers and anything other than the first trailer, I expected an extremely serious film that would go back to its roots and, as the first film, and arguably the second, appeal even to the non scifi audiences do to its tone and story.
No offense is taken. Man, I'm really sorry to hear your expectations were subverted in such traumatic way. I had a pleasure of knowing for the most part what kind of movie I was geetirng from the looks of trailers and promotional material. I guess, that played part in my overall opinion on the movie
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 09, 2021, 02:22:35 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 09, 2021, 01:18:37 AM
I was really hoping for The Predator to be schlocky in a Predator 2 sort of way, with an extra helping of The Nice Guys-style character banter.
Predator 2.... schlocky?
https://media4.giphy.com/media/1BGx9Qa8W5UonIlPrh/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b9521da807c675d5d6ff0a4f43eeb8c47677d8bcd218&rid=giphy.gif
I have 5 words for you.
Spoiler
Gary Busey and broom lady
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 08, 2021, 10:18:19 PM
I expected an extremely serious film that would go back to its roots and, as the first film, and arguably the second, appeal even to the non scifi audiences do to its tone and story.
Arguably Robert Rodriguez tried to go back to the 80s Macho men vibe of the original, even if he didn't succeed. Probably the most serious attempt since
Predator 2. But considering Shane Black's filmography, plus his performance in
Predator, it was perfectly fair to have those expectations.
What are you talking about ? 99% of his performance were pussy jokes
Btw, ain't the phrase "back to roots" kinda cursed since 2007 ?
Pussy jokes in a pussy monster face movie. Also, if you act in the original you are literally part of the source material. It's as if Robert Rodriguez acted in Predator before directing Predators decades later. Not that this is a great guarantee of anything, but one tends to think otherwise. :laugh:
Edit~ Interesting fan theory 🤔 👇
"The alien tries each man's masculinity. Each man who dies does so in a manner befitting his swagger."
"It's a well-worn idea that Predator is a film about masculinity. You have seven men each competing for alpha status, showboating their strength, stoicism, roughness and physical power. I'd like to go a step further. I'd like to suggest that the trials of the film are a test of masculinity, and that each man who dies does so in a way that mocks his masculine performance..."
https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/5jaegi/predator_1987_the_alien_tries_each_mans/
Predator 2's absolutely schlock and I love it.
Predator = masterpiece
Predator 2 = extremely fun and politically incorrect crazyness
AVP = political correctness at it's finest
AVPR = dumb but somewhat a guilty pleasure
Predators = extremely dull
The Predator =
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Spoiler
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dumb but contains actually good cinematic moments (not a lot though)
Politically correct?
Predator 2 is great and aged well and to me a worthy sequel to the first movie.
Quote from: judge death on May 09, 2021, 03:03:13 PM
Predator 2 is great and aged well and to me a worthy sequel to the first movie.
My man!(https://i.imgur.com/boyRiZp.gif)
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 09, 2021, 01:10:34 PM
Politically correct?
Yeah PG-13 and stuff, no profanity and almost family friendly. The botched "you're one ugly mother..." is awful in that regard. PG-13 is no matter what a blasphemy for those films.
There are about a million things I can't stand about AVP. The PG-13 rating is so insignificant in comparison to many of the film's other problems that it doesn't even come close to being the film's worst offense (and for what it's worth, the R-rated sequel manages to be even worse).
For me it is. And forever will be.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 09, 2021, 03:43:11 PM
There are about a million things I can't stand about AVP. The PG-13 rating is so insignificant in comparison to many of the film's other problems that it doesn't even come close to being the film's worst offense (and for what it's worth, the R-rated sequel manages to be even worse).
To be fair, it was a huge deal in the time leading up to the release.
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 09, 2021, 03:43:11 PM
There are about a million things I can't stand about AVP. The PG-13 rating is so insignificant in comparison to many of the film's other problems that it doesn't even come close to being the film's worst offense (and for what it's worth, the R-rated sequel manages to be even worse).
To be fair, it was a huge deal in the time leading up to the release.
Oh yeah. Really huge!
Yeah, that makes sense; I didn't get into the franchises until 2007, so the AVP hype period was well before my time.
If AVP were rated R and had more swearing and more grisly violence, though, I would almost certainly dislike it just the same as I do now. The lack of blood is definitely an issue in the movie, but only one issue of a great many.
The unrated cut felt like an improvement.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 09, 2021, 03:35:51 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 09, 2021, 01:10:34 PM
Politically correct?
Yeah PG-13 and stuff, no profanity and almost family friendly. The botched "you're one ugly mother..." is awful in that regard. PG-13 is no matter what a blasphemy for those films.
Were they allowed one f-bomb per PG13 back then, or was that after?
Quote from: Huggs on May 09, 2021, 09:09:30 PM
The unrated cut felt like an improvement.
It just felt like the same lame movie, with a tad more CGI blood, to me.
Apparently James Cameron's third favourite... ergh...
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 09, 2021, 09:34:23 PM
Quote from: Huggs on May 09, 2021, 09:09:30 PM
The unrated cut felt like an improvement.
It just felt like the same lame movie, with a tad more CGI blood, to me.
Same movie, no difference really and the problems with it wasnt the lack of blood.
lol cameron says everything is his favourite and its a good movie before release, mostly due to boost his income or help arnold to get more salary or he has a hand involved in it or for reasons that would favour him.
Cameron was also very vocal about disliking the choices made in Alien 3 and probably didn't pay much attention at all to Alien: Resurrection, so Cameron making a comment about AVP being his third favorite around that time period isn't all that big a shock to me. Since then, however, he's been rather complimentary towards Ridley and his prequels.
I just laugh when he says how he dislike alien 3 and its wrong to kill off children or main charachters in the beginning of a movie.
Enter: terminator dark fate he produced and cowrote: in the beginning kills off john connor and have terminator fans hating it from the start, cameron doing the same thing he says he dislike xD
Quote from: judge death on May 09, 2021, 10:24:19 PM
I just laugh when he says how he dislike alien 3 and its wrong to kill off children or main charachters in the beginning of a movie.
Enter: terminator dark fate he produced and cowrote: in the beginning kills off john connor and have terminator fans hating it from the start, cameron doing the same thing he says he dislike xD
I hope one day an interviewer points out the irony to him.
Well, some Terminator fans hate it. ;) Dark Fate isn't as good as the first two, for sure, and Tim Miller is no James Cameron behind the camera, but by and large it is the first time I got any actual enjoyment out of a Terminator movie since Judgement Day. :D
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 09, 2021, 09:34:23 PM
Quote from: Huggs on May 09, 2021, 09:09:30 PM
The unrated cut felt like an improvement.
It just felt like the same lame movie, with a tad more CGI blood, to me.
It was more of a combination of the extra gore and extra footage. The difference wasn't enormous, but it did feel like a more complete film. Still a rough movie, but more complete. Instead of just broccoli and mashed potatoes, you finally had some steak to go with it.
Of course, it should've been an R rated production from the beginning, given the subject matter. PG-13 is an archaic rating that is detrimental to the art, imo.
I thought the AvP-R unrated cut was a huuuuuge improvement to the theatrical cut, and it actually had nothing to do with the additional gore for me... but rather the additional scenes and rearrangement.
Basic AVP made me enjoy AVPR more because AVPR was...well...as brutal as you'd expect an AVP movie to be. AVP unrated felt equal to basic AVPR. and AVPR: Unrated just made a good thing better. I've no desire to watch the theatrical cuts of either again.
And the little things in AVP Unrated aren't much, but the new human interest stuff like the extra dialogue between verheiden and dude kinda slowed things down and added some substance where there wasn't really any before. And yeah, when somebody gets slashed open, it kinda helps the believability to have some blood come out.
I enjoy both movies quite a bit now, and I don't think that would've been the case without the unrated cuts.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 09, 2021, 03:35:51 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 09, 2021, 01:10:34 PM
Politically correct?
Yeah PG-13 and stuff, no profanity and almost family friendly. The botched "you're one ugly mother..." is awful in that regard. PG-13 is no matter what a blasphemy for those films.
None of that is "politically correct", that's just ratings guidelines ???
Quote from: Huggs on May 09, 2021, 09:09:30 PM
Were they allowed one f-bomb per PG13 back then, or was that after?
They were allowed, but it has to be a non sexual context. Hence "I hope it kills every last f**king one of them", not "ugly mother f**ker".
Quote from: Huggs on May 09, 2021, 09:09:30 PM
The unrated cut felt like an improvement.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 09, 2021, 03:35:51 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 09, 2021, 01:10:34 PM
Politically correct?
Yeah PG-13 and stuff, no profanity and almost family friendly. The botched "you're one ugly mother..." is awful in that regard. PG-13 is no matter what a blasphemy for those films.
Were they allowed one f-bomb per PG13 back then, or was that after?
Good question. Possibly after, it would be a shame not using it when you're allowed to. But I can't find any confirmation of that.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 09, 2021, 09:34:23 PM
Quote from: Huggs on May 09, 2021, 09:09:30 PM
The unrated cut felt like an improvement.
It just felt like the same lame movie, with a tad more CGI blood, to me.
Ye gods that CG blood...
And a whole bunch of scenes that were cut for good reason.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 09, 2021, 11:33:58 PM
Quote from: Huggs on May 09, 2021, 09:09:30 PM
The unrated cut felt like an improvement.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 09, 2021, 03:35:51 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 09, 2021, 01:10:34 PM
Politically correct?
Yeah PG-13 and stuff, no profanity and almost family friendly. The botched "you're one ugly mother..." is awful in that regard. PG-13 is no matter what a blasphemy for those films.
Were they allowed one f-bomb per PG13 back then, or was that after?
Good question. Possibly after, it would be a shame not using it when you're allowed to. But I can't find any confirmation of that.
I didn't even remember half of these.
And they didn't even include AvP's.
Argh, I even checked the list! :D
The thing that makes The Predator worse than AvP-R for me is mainly the absurdity surrounding the "autism".
Admittedly there is bias from myself having autism when making this choice, but I also say it's a fair bias considering how they massacred my boy, like, autism just doesn't work like that.
To think there are probably some people out there who actually watch this movie and then unironically think "So that's what autism is". Yes like how Isabella of France and Pocahontas were totally not children at all at the time when Mel Gibson fought proud Edward's army and explored colonial New England respectively.
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 09, 2021, 09:38:05 PM
Apparently James Cameron's third favourite... ergh...
James Cameron has fine taste
Quote from: judge death on May 09, 2021, 10:24:19 PM
I just laugh when he says how he dislike alien 3 and its wrong to kill off children or main charachters in the beginning of a movie.
Enter: terminator dark fate he produced and cowrote: in the beginning kills off john connor and have terminator fans hating it from the start, cameron doing the same thing he says he dislike xD
Yeah, that's big bloody irony, If ever seen one
AVP's ironically, spineless so, not sure about that.
Quote from: Huggs on May 09, 2021, 11:23:23 PM
AVPR: Unrated just made a good thing better.
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Quote from: Trash Queen on May 10, 2021, 08:38:44 AM
AVP's ironically, spineless so, not sure about that.
I like AVP so it pleases me to hear that Cameron enjoyed it too
To be fair, Cameron is not afraid of contradict himself.
What if we had Wolf (or similar) hunting Fugitive in The Predator? Would fix several of the movie's problems.
Big chungus was the least of the issues.
He was a big part of the issues. The movie basically died when he arrived.
The movie died well before that because it was an absolutely terribly crafted film.
The giant Predator was dumb as can be, but I was checked out of the film long before he even entered.
The big dude wasn't so bad. If he had been the only predator in a P1 scenario, it could've been pretty cool, unlike that sarcastic pile of crap they wasted him on.
And the poor CGI they rendered him with.
That shot where he's in the tree should not have made the final cut.
That one shot in the camp they used twice. They just reversed it the second time.
In the treet biting off a guy's head ? Yeah that was dreadful. A PS3 cinematic, that's what it reminded me.
I imagine they only had so much time to polish, given the reshoots.
Quote from: Wweyland on May 12, 2021, 09:24:04 PMWhat if we had Wolf (or similar) hunting Fugitive in The Predator? Would fix several of the movie's problems.
If Wolf had been the one hunting the Fugitive, he would've wasted half his time doing other, non-constructive things, repeatedly aided the Fugitive through his own incompetence, and ultimately failed at his job. People would still call him a "badass".
I guess it's more his looks that are appreciated rather than his behavior. At least for me. He is badass looking, his body language is too. The rest, not so much.
Embrace his badassery!
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Not that hard to be badass when he is fighting handicaped xenos who cant even defend themself xD
Like when he holds two xenos, one with each hand on their necks, and the xenos behave like they dont have arms or legs or tails but only try to bite him, nor do they spit acid either.....
Wolf has a paralyzing agent that excretes from his gloves of course. He's that badass!
(https://i.imgur.com/qQQwe.gif)
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One can excrete whatever one wants in the sewer.
As far as I know there's only two things you should excret into sewer:
Spoiler
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and
Spoiler
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 13, 2021, 01:31:57 PM
Wolf has a paralyzing agent that excretes from his gloves of course. He's that badass!
https://i.imgur.com/qQQwe.gif
First time I saw that scene on the trailer as a kid it was a sight to behold.
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 14, 2021, 11:19:33 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 13, 2021, 01:31:57 PM
Wolf has a paralyzing agent that excretes from his gloves of course. He's that badass!
https://i.imgur.com/qQQwe.gif
First time I saw that scene on the trailer as a kid it was a sight to behold.
Oh yeah!!! Awe inspiring badassery and definitely an exciting shot for a kid. Just maximum kid fun.... until us "adults" ruin the fun of course with our Predator overpowered / Alien underpowered discourse! :laugh:
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Quote from: Samhain13 on May 14, 2021, 11:19:33 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 13, 2021, 01:31:57 PM
Wolf has a paralyzing agent that excretes from his gloves of course. He's that badass!
https://i.imgur.com/qQQwe.gif
First time I saw that scene on the trailer as a kid it was a sight to behold.
Oh yeah!!! Awe inspiring badassery and definitely an exciting shot for a kid. Just maximum kid fun.... until us "adults" ruin the fun of course with our Predator overpowered / Alien underpowered discourse! :laugh:
Gotta watch it with the 'kid' mentality, it's more enjoyable...
Despite the R rating, AvPR always felt like it was more obviously targeted at a teen audience by the filmmakers than the first one to me. Something about the mentality and the attitude it has - and talking to the directors around the twist really cemented that for me.
Is "juvenile" the word you're looking for?
AvPR to Alien is like Star Wars to Star Trek in a way.
Actual top tier trolling.
Yeah, wars and trek are both avpr
Disagree.
I should have caveated less Star Trek films, more Star Trek series. Especially the original and TNG. Those episodes were quite often very cerebral.
I don't mean it as an insult to Star Wars, I'm a huge fan, and a fan of AvPR too. It's just two different levels of brain engagement.
Depends upon the story.
Quote from: SM on May 15, 2021, 10:23:54 AM
Is "juvenile" the word you're looking for?
That's the one :laugh:
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 15, 2021, 08:12:18 PM
AvPR to Alien is like Star Wars to Star Trek in a way.
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Spoiler
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Let me try this:
The Predator to Predator is like Batman & Robin to The Dark Knight
My statement wasn't meant as a measure of quality but rather two different levels of brain engagement, different degrees on the intellectual depth spectrum, but both equally achievable as wonderful pieces of entertainment as long as they're executed properly (but clearly the majority feel AvPR was not executed properly).
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 16, 2021, 06:42:26 PM
My statement wasn't meant as a measure of quality but rather two different levels of brain engagement, different degrees on the intellectual depth spectrum, but both equally achievable as wonderful pieces of entertainment as long as they're executed properly (but clearly the majority feel AvPR was not executed properly).
Wonderful piece of entertainment ? AVPR ?
https://youtu.be/DbvKsqko5mI (https://youtu.be/DbvKsqko5mI)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 16, 2021, 06:42:26 PM
My statement wasn't meant as a measure of quality but rather two different levels of brain engagement, different degrees on the intellectual depth spectrum, but both equally achievable as wonderful pieces of entertainment as long as they're executed properly (but clearly the majority feel AvPR was not executed properly).
I'm not sure about the execution of
AVPR, but I think it was smart ananalogy.
Putting AVPR in the same sentence with Alien, Star Wars and Star Trek is an insult to Alien, Star Wars and Star Trek
Although they have a cultural and emotional value, they are movies. There's no reason to lose our minds over it. :laugh: :)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 16, 2021, 07:16:27 PM
Although they have a cultural and emotional value, they are movies. There's no reason to lose our minds over it. :laugh: :)
Your statement contradicts itself
Gosh, it's one of those days right? Ok, got it. I won't say anything else :laugh:
Sorry, I don't know what gotten into me there
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 16, 2021, 07:34:58 PM
Gosh, it's one of those days right? Ok, got it. I won't say anything else :laugh:
I appreciate you trying. :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 16, 2021, 09:11:11 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 16, 2021, 07:34:58 PM
Gosh, it's one of those days right? Ok, got it. I won't say anything else :laugh:
I appreciate you trying. :)
:)🤘
I voted AVPR, Wolf is way more bad*ss of a Yautja/ Predator than the Hybrids in The Predator. I enjoyed The Predator, better thab Predators IMHO, but its hard to top Yautja vs Xenomrophs and a Predalien. Something we will likely not see again, in a long time. *sigh*
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 10, 2021, 06:53:01 PM
but its hard to top Yautja vs Xenomrophs and a Predalien
Would be nice if the Aliens didn't just flail and screech uselessly, or the Predalien was designed well, though.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 11, 2021, 07:56:13 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 10, 2021, 06:53:01 PM
but its hard to top Yautja vs Xenomrophs and a Predalien
Would be nice if the Aliens didn't just flail and screech uselessly, or the Predalien was designed well, though.
Aliens do more than screech? :p
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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 11, 2021, 07:56:13 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 10, 2021, 06:53:01 PM
but its hard to top Yautja vs Xenomrophs and a Predalien
Would be nice if the Aliens didn't just flail and screech uselessly, or the Predalien was designed well, though.
Aliens do more than screech? :p
Yes, David taught them some bad habits:
(https://2static1.fjcdn.com/comments/Quotwherever+i+am+i+must+also+killquot+_a3c4f5988eb8911c8f96f482062b5c12.jpg)
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 11, 2021, 10:43:11 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 11, 2021, 10:32:00 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 11, 2021, 07:56:13 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 10, 2021, 06:53:01 PM
but its hard to top Yautja vs Xenomrophs and a Predalien
Would be nice if the Aliens didn't just flail and screech uselessly, or the Predalien was designed well, though.
Aliens do more than screech? :p
Yes, David taught them some bad habits:
https://2static1.fjcdn.com/comments/Quotwherever+i+am+i+must+also+killquot+_a3c4f5988eb8911c8f96f482062b5c12.jpg
Like smoking? ;)
Ah, my picture broke.
No, like rape.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 11, 2021, 11:00:21 PM
Ah, my picture broke.
No, like rape.
David taught them that? :o