The Rage War: A three part Alien / Predator epic by Tim Lebbon

Started by Perfect-Organism, Nov 18, 2014, 10:44:01 PM

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The Rage War: A three part Alien / Predator epic by Tim Lebbon (Read 236,513 times)

SM

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Yes.  I tried to get them to make him the Predator leader in Life & Death too, but it didn't happen.
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Kradan

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Holy shit ! Why I've never heard Voodoo talking about it ?  :o ???
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SpaceKase

SpaceKase

#1607
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 31, 2020, 05:41:59 AM
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Holy shit ! Why I've never heard Voodoo talking about it ?  :o ???
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It's kind of a small and oblique reference amidst a giant three book epic. I wouldn't be surprised if most folks missed it.


Quote from: SM on Aug 31, 2020, 12:24:10 AM
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Yes.  I tried to get them to make him the Predator leader in Life & Death too, but it didn't happen.
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That's pretty awesome! Shame on the latter note though.

Tichinde

Quote from: SpaceKase on Aug 31, 2020, 08:06:46 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 31, 2020, 05:41:59 AM
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Holy shit ! Why I've never heard Voodoo talking about it ?  :o ???
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It's kind of a small and oblique reference amidst a giant three book epic. I wouldn't be surprised if most folks missed it.


Quote from: SM on Aug 31, 2020, 12:24:10 AM
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Yes.  I tried to get them to make him the Predator leader in Life & Death too, but it didn't happen.
[close]

That's pretty awesome! Shame on the latter note though.

Just curious, I missed it too. What makes you think it was supposed to be

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Greyback?
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SpaceKase

SpaceKase

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Quote from: Tichinde on Aug 31, 2020, 12:08:27 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Aug 31, 2020, 08:06:46 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 31, 2020, 05:41:59 AM
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Holy shit ! Why I've never heard Voodoo talking about it ?  :o ???
[close]

It's kind of a small and oblique reference amidst a giant three book epic. I wouldn't be surprised if most folks missed it.


Quote from: SM on Aug 31, 2020, 12:24:10 AM
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Yes.  I tried to get them to make him the Predator leader in Life & Death too, but it didn't happen.
[close]

That's pretty awesome! Shame on the latter note though.

Just curious, I missed it too. What makes you think it was supposed to be

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Greyback?
[close]

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"I am Kalakta... six hundred and seventy-seventh Elder clan. The words appeared on the screen. They continued, missing some of what he said but still managing to make sense.
It's working! Palant thought, almost slumping with relief.
... born long... ten thousand suns. My parent group... Ascendance was on your Earth, in a city of... and heat. A man with dark skin... worthy opponent. I have hunted through... and taken many human trophies."
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-Excerpt From: Lebbon, Tim. "Predator - Incursion." Titan, 2015-10-20T04:00:00+00:00. iBooks.
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It's literally only this passage; super indirect, but specific enough to imply a pointed reference.

Tichinde

Quote from: SpaceKase on Aug 31, 2020, 01:44:31 PM
Quote from: Tichinde on Aug 31, 2020, 12:08:27 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Aug 31, 2020, 08:06:46 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 31, 2020, 05:41:59 AM
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Holy shit ! Why I've never heard Voodoo talking about it ?  :o ???
[close]

It's kind of a small and oblique reference amidst a giant three book epic. I wouldn't be surprised if most folks missed it.


Quote from: SM on Aug 31, 2020, 12:24:10 AM
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Yes.  I tried to get them to make him the Predator leader in Life & Death too, but it didn't happen.
[close]

That's pretty awesome! Shame on the latter note though.

Just curious, I missed it too. What makes you think it was supposed to be

Spoiler
Greyback?
[close]

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"I am Kalakta... six hundred and seventy-seventh Elder clan. The words appeared on the screen. They continued, missing some of what he said but still managing to make sense.
It's working! Palant thought, almost slumping with relief.
... born long... ten thousand suns. My parent group... Ascendance was on your Earth, in a city of... and heat. A man with dark skin... worthy opponent. I have hunted through... and taken many human trophies."
[close]

-Excerpt From: Lebbon, Tim. "Predator - Incursion." Titan, 2015-10-20T04:00:00+00:00. iBooks.
This material may be protected by copyright.

It's literally only this passage; super indirect, but specific enough to imply a pointed reference.

Damn dude, that's awesome. Yeah I missed that the first time around, don't know how but that's actually really cool.

SpaceKase

SpaceKase

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Quote from: Tichinde on Aug 31, 2020, 01:52:15 PM
Damn dude, that's awesome. Yeah I missed that the first time around, don't know how but that's actually really cool.

Definitely an Inside Baseball kind of obscurity, but pretty nerdy and fun. These books are on regular rotation on my iPod for background noise so certain details always stick out for me, and this was one I always liked

Wysps

Wysps

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Quote from: SpaceKase on Aug 31, 2020, 01:44:31 PM
Quote from: Tichinde on Aug 31, 2020, 12:08:27 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Aug 31, 2020, 08:06:46 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 31, 2020, 05:41:59 AM
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Holy shit ! Why I've never heard Voodoo talking about it ?  :o ???
[close]

It's kind of a small and oblique reference amidst a giant three book epic. I wouldn't be surprised if most folks missed it.


Quote from: SM on Aug 31, 2020, 12:24:10 AM
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Yes.  I tried to get them to make him the Predator leader in Life & Death too, but it didn't happen.
[close]

That's pretty awesome! Shame on the latter note though.

Just curious, I missed it too. What makes you think it was supposed to be

Spoiler
Greyback?
[close]

Quote
Spoiler
"I am Kalakta... six hundred and seventy-seventh Elder clan. The words appeared on the screen. They continued, missing some of what he said but still managing to make sense.
It's working! Palant thought, almost slumping with relief.
... born long... ten thousand suns. My parent group... Ascendance was on your Earth, in a city of... and heat. A man with dark skin... worthy opponent. I have hunted through... and taken many human trophies."
[close]

-Excerpt From: Lebbon, Tim. "Predator - Incursion." Titan, 2015-10-20T04:00:00+00:00. iBooks.
This material may be protected by copyright.

It's literally only this passage; super indirect, but specific enough to imply a pointed reference.

Woah  :o  I missed that also.  So, "ascendance" - is that to mean, according to Lebbon, that the Predators we've been seeing hunting on Earth have been a part of that parent group?  I guess I'm not sure what "ascendance" means in this regard.

Tichinde

You know, this is slightly off topic and I still think it technically counts as spoilers but I always found this funny as hell

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So since Kalakta is Greyback, we need to talk about this. Thanks to Predator 1718 we know what Greyback looks like in the 1700s, if you don't know here you go:



Right so you see he has a nice green skin tone very healthy young man. Now obviously, that's from 1718 and when we next see him it's in 1997, which is about 297 years. Now we know that Yautja are extremely long lived, some even said to have hailed from ancient Egypt times to now, and even the Ancient Yautja from Predator: Homeworld still has his nice green hued skin tone:



And I could keep naming off Yautja who aged beautifully and had way more than 300 years to barely change at all, Hell I think Paul Anderson implies Chopper is like 100 years old and Chopper is a youngblood. But what you have to remember about this is that Greyback was the poor bastard who went from a bright green to this:



Which is just funny, because the headcanon explanation I have come up with is that Greyback simply got stuck with the worst genetic template in Yautja history.
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Anyway, rant over. I just always found that premature aging amusing

HuDaFuK

Maybe they just age differently, like how some people go bald or grey in their 30s...

Kradan

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 01, 2020, 08:26:27 AM
Maybe they just age differently, like how some people go bald or grey in their 30s...

My dad in his 40s and he's almost grey now

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I actually dig weird artwork of Homeworld and how primitive Preds in it were ... but that expression on woman's face  :D
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SM

Looks like he's wearing a cricket protector on his face.

Corporal Hicks

Yeah, Homeworld's artwork isn't the best IMHO. Never been keen on that particular Predator.

SpaceKase

SpaceKase

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Quote from: Tichinde on Sep 01, 2020, 06:53:59 AM
You know, this is slightly off topic and I still think it technically counts as spoilers but I always found this funny as hell

Spoiler
So since Kalakta is Greyback, we need to talk about this. Thanks to Predator 1718 we know what Greyback looks like in the 1700s, if you don't know here you go:



Right so you see he has a nice green skin tone very healthy young man. Now obviously, that's from 1718 and when we next see him it's in 1997, which is about 297 years. Now we know that Yautja are extremely long lived, some even said to have hailed from ancient Egypt times to now, and even the Ancient Yautja from Predator: Homeworld still has his nice green hued skin tone:



And I could keep naming off Yautja who aged beautifully and had way more than 300 years to barely change at all, Hell I think Paul Anderson implies Chopper is like 100 years old and Chopper is a youngblood. But what you have to remember about this is that Greyback was the poor bastard who went from a bright green to this:



Which is just funny, because the headcanon explanation I have come up with is that Greyback simply got stuck with the worst genetic template in Yautja history.
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Anyway, rant over. I just always found that premature aging amusing

Yeah, with these Yautja, it's certainly seems like it's not the age but the mileage. Excepting some of the books which I haven't read, the oldest Yauts we appear to have seen have been Kalakta who, as you've pointed out has at least a 974 year span that we've seen. We can assume he's fairly young in that first appearance, and yeah, he's probably seen a lot of action between his first and second appearances, but he probably has that Steve Martin/Patrick Stewart silver fox thing going on as well. From the culture bits that have been shown in the EU, many of the clans seem to operate on a meritocracy, so youngish clan leaders are certainly plausible and likely. There have also been hints about royalty and revered bloodlines out there too, so if their cultures are at least as diverse as ours, which they should be, it can be assumed that there might be a Shia & Sunni kind of dynamic going on, like factions supporting merit vs birthright. But anyway, I digress...

The other eldest we've seen are that crusty Shaman dude from Homeworld with the cricket protector looking mask. These "Homeworld" guys are really interesting because it seems like the elder is some kind of preacher on a mission to save the youth of some backwoods green-trash clans, likely descended from the banished, the isolationist, or otherwise disgraced from greater pred society. These teenage hooligans appear to have succumbed to the charms of space-satanic ritualism, and the yautja-sacrifice that inevitably goes along with it, and our preacher/shaman elder has to go hunt down the worst of wayward punks and nip some badbloods in the bud. There's a lot of ambiguity in Homeworld and I kind of love it.

The oldest and most haggard elder we've seen has been Old Dragon from Predator Xenogenesis and his 1000 year battle with Subotai, we have no idea how old he was when he started their feud, but we've seen a lot of youngbloods cutting their mandibles on Earth, so it's possible he could have been fairly young as well at the start.

So nothing definitive has ever been stated, but on average it seems like a factor of 10x years can be applied to Yauts as compared to humans when it comes to normal-ish life spans. But science and alien biology is a hell of drug so there's always wiggle room for statistical outliers. 

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