The Company wasn't nefarious, until it was

Started by OpenMaw, Oct 09, 2022, 04:10:11 PM

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OpenMaw

This is a little theory I've brought up a few times in various discussions over the years. I can't say it is uniquely mine as I've heard similar things from others over the years. This is my attempt to build something of a coherent argument regarding Weyland Yutani/The Company as depicted in the original trilogy of films, and why I think the EU, and the later sequels, started to get this wrong.

I remember playing Alien Trilogy a lot as a kid. It's one of my favorite Doom clones. One thing that always sat wrong with me was the really strange briefing given to Burke during the opening cinematic.


Okay, why are we talking about Alien Trilogy all of the sudden? "That's not a movie!' I hear you say. Quite right. It does represent a fundamental, I think, misunderstanding of the original films. At least the first two. This poison is found flooding the EU any time corporations are brought up. They want it for bio-weapons, for greedy reasons, and they don't care who gets hurt... and this seems universal across just about every corporation we ever see. There are no upstanding businessmen out there. Everyone is a monster.

In fact, hold onto your butts, the only time the entire Alien universe ever gives benefit of the doubt to these companies is in AVP of all things. Charles Bishop Weyland is depicted, not as a greedy monster, or nefarious or evil. He's a guy who's dying and wants to leave a legacy. They treat Weyland, not as a monster, but as a human. With human foibles. In the end he dies heroically. I always liked that. That is one positive I will always give to that film. I honestly expected Weyland to turn into "Burke 2.0" when I went into the film originally. 

Back to the EU. The problem is it starts to become something of the consensus. That Weyland Yutani, Seegson, Chigusa, etc... They all become evil for the sake of being antagonistic presences in the story. Which is such a weak way to write. You want a villain, fine, but form follows function. Give them a motive, and show them taking the steps, that makes sense. *snap* Imagine a rival corporation, instead of going down the same exact route, was trying to dig up dirt on Weyland Yutani to use against them to blackmail them or strong arm them during various business deals? You could generate so much conflict by having multitudes of motivation. Add some depth to it.

This is one of the reasons I enjoy the UPP from Gibson's Alien III so much. They do go down a similar route, but their motive for it makes perfect sense. They're suspicious of their corporatist adversaries, and afraid that they will exploit the Alien against them, so they try to get there first. It makes sense. It creates a logical conflict, and it doesn't seem to come from a nefarious place.

Then it becomes the question of "what are they going to do with it?" What's the intention with the Alien? The first film smartly leaves it vague enough as "for the bioweapons division." That's great. However, after awhile that motivation does need to be expanded on... How are we going to use it? Alien Resurrection, strangely enough, offers a little more insight into the potential applications. "New alloys. New vaccines." Alright! I like that. The problem is, it came from Alien Resurrection.

Then, of course, you have the really silly stuff in the EU. AVP Classic 2000 had Weyland Yutani building... *sigh* Xenoborgs. So, you have this really lethal, fast, adaptive alien organism... and you strap an exoskeleton and laser guns on it which take away all of its unique properties... Why not just build a giant mech robot? I never did get this. Rebellion? I get that you needed a plot twist at the end of the marine campaign... but... Why this? Why? It's so... Awful!

So back to my original point:

I don't think The Company, as depicted in the first two films, was a nefarious entity. Alien in particular actually does just about everything possible to imply an uncaring machine and our characters are just trapped in it. There is nothing in the original film that requires the presence of nefarious individuals back home to be plotting anything. Signal gets picked up, Nostromo is rerouted with a new S.O. being assigned. As the situation unfolds various parameters and special orders are issued to deal with it. Priority one being to recover technology and organisms of an extraterrestrial origin. This is supported by the clause that Ash quotes to Parker. If you find anything intelligent or of value you have to check it out or we won't pay you.

Frankly, I find any stories that go down that path of all of this being part of some larger plan as being... Well, awful. The evil corporation is such a tiresome cliche, and the reality is this didn't really get any credence in the films until Alien 3 when Michael Bishop put a face to the evil intentions of the company.

The same logic applies to Aliens. Nothing backs up Ripley's claims, and nothing happens until Burke specifically makes something happen. That means that nobody was checking out the Aliens on LV426 that entire time. Which only further supports the idea that there wasn't any individual or group of individauls behind the events of the first film either. It never made sense to think it was by clandestine design either because if you truly suspected the presence of an Alien organism, you would send a special team. You wouldn't send space truckers who are completely ignorant of what is going on.

I've watched several reactions to Aliens on Youtube over the last few months, and it seems just about everyone ignores what Burke says about that meeting. It is not a company show. It is an ICC show, with all kinds of players involved. If I recall right Burke and maybe one other person are the only actual Company reps present there. Everyone else has other interests in the events. "Insurance company guys" etc... Van lewen certainly wasn't with Weyland Yutani.

This is still a theory that is a work in progress, and it ultimately doesn't work because of Alien 3, going forward. Just about all of the EU, the games, comics, and novels, all lean into the "huge overarching conspiracy." Even Ridley Scott bought into that and was going in that direction with the prequels at one point... I don't know. Just as a writer I think the idea that you could get lost in the "paperwork" is far more terrifying than some guy in a suit sitting at a desk, smoking a cigar, thinking "Ya know... We could use this monster thing as a weapon somehow... I'm sure of it... Lets send some space truckers to pick one up!"

BlueMarsalis79

Death by red tape's more nefarious than any individual's intentions when it comes to all institutions.

Also Burke mid.

Michael Bishop kino.

Local Trouble

No argument from me.  I've been saying the same shit for decades now.

Still Collating...

I also prefer having the company be apathetic, bureaucratic and more profit driven where their negligence can come to fruition. I like that a lot more than mustache twirling bad guys. 

OpenMaw

Quote from: Still Collating... on Oct 15, 2022, 02:52:12 PMI also prefer having the company be apathetic, bureaucratic and more profit driven where their negligence can come to fruition. I like that a lot more than mustache twirling bad guys. 

Yeah. To me it is the more nuanced approach. It is, in fact, one of my favorite aspects of Aliens. Nobody knows anything about what Ripley is talking about to the point that they setup a colony on that very moon.

I'm just shocked out how permeating the other take is. It's in everything outside of the first two films.

SiL

SiL

#5
Even Alien 3 doesn't solidify any sort of overarching Evil Company scheme. They want to f**k around and find out about the Alien, sure. But they aren't abjectly evil in going about it. The only person they kill violently assaults one of them with an improvised weapon first; they escort the survivor out.

Every other depiction of the company in EU, such as Alien 3: The Gun, would have the Company just shoot everyone.

The Auriga team is more comic book villain, using human hosts rather than livestock.

David Weyland

While I guess you're discounting the prequels, I think the ground was being set for the AI of Weyland Yutani to be the nefarious element of the company.
Conceivably David or his cause spread amongst the AI of Weyland Yutani thus the replacement of Ash and the reroute of the Nostromo.

This all happening without the knowledge of humanity is conceivable and therefore adds nicely to me, a credible ignorance and scepticism to Ripley's story of being told to go investigate lv426 on the company's orders by the inquest panel in Aliens

Local Trouble


SiL

A much simpler answer is that the special order was swept under the rug when the Nostromo went missing and forgotten about for the better part of 6 decades.

Also worth noting Ash wasn't even made by WY.

Local Trouble

How will you react when Noah Hawley's show makes it undeniably clear that the whole company is being controlled by an AI puppet master?

OpenMaw

Quote from: SiL on Oct 16, 2022, 12:38:34 AMA much simpler answer is that the special order was swept under the rug when the Nostromo went missing and forgotten about for the better part of 6 decades.

Even simpler still. It was just an automated S.O. that was called up upon discovery of the Alien. Nothing needed to be covered up because its all just the pinging and clanging of an automated network. Nobody need be motivated back home to do anything because they just don't know anything.

Quote from: SiL on Oct 15, 2022, 07:34:35 PMEven Alien 3 doesn't solidify any sort of overarching Evil Company scheme. They want to f**k around and find out about the Alien, sure. But they aren't abjectly evil in going about it. The only person they kill violently assaults one of them with an improvised weapon first; they escort the survivor out.

Every other depiction of the company in EU, such as Alien 3: The Gun, would have the Company just shoot everyone.

The Auriga team is more comic book villain, using human hosts rather than livestock.

Ehhh... It reinforces it though. Bishop's "They know everything." Ripley's implied idea that they sent Bishop specifically to mess with Ripley mentally. The phrases like "They just want it." They who? The board members? The shareholders? Who? It's this mindless notion of The Company Bad.

I'll grant you that it is still loose enough, and that the company itself isn't essentially in complete control of everything, which is good. That really bothers me in particular. Drink Weyland Yutani Beer! Smoke Weyland Yutani Cigarettes! ... Eugh...

Quote from: David Weyland on Oct 16, 2022, 12:07:10 AMWhile I guess you're discounting the prequels, I think the ground was being set for the AI of Weyland Yutani to be the nefarious element of the company.
Conceivably David or his cause spread amongst the AI of Weyland Yutani thus the replacement of Ash and the reroute of the Nostromo.

This all happening without the knowledge of humanity is conceivable and therefore adds nicely to me, a credible ignorance and scepticism to Ripley's story of being told to go investigate lv426 on the company's orders by the inquest panel in Aliens

That plays into overarching nefarious intent. Nobody has any interior consistent motivation in that case. David's motivation does not make sense. He wants to create... Okay. For some reason he hates the human race... Okay... But he loved Shaw? But he used her... Okay. See, it's just messy. The only thing we're really given is Walter's line about the symphony.

Just not crazy about that idea. It still puts an intention behind it. And then, of course, it begs the question of "purpose." If it was all some clandestine thing that David put into place... Like all he has to do is sneak back to Earth and walk around planting eggs everywhere. Drop a few eggs on Earth, and poof. He wins. Human race gets wiped out, and his perfect creations get the whole planet.

SiL

SiL

#11
In that case I feel you've slid too far the opposite direction.

Someone in a cushy office somewhere sent some chumps to check it out and didn't care if it cost them their lives so long as it got a result. That was always the idea even in the first movie. They were sent out, intentionally.

The line is having the company go out of its way to be evil, which only came in through the EU. There's a difference between "kill everyone involved" and "your safety is not our priority". The films are the latter, the EU the former.

BigDaddyJohn

Yep, Parker summed it up pretty good : "what about our lives you son of a bitch ?"

OpenMaw

Quote from: SiL on Oct 16, 2022, 02:11:04 AMIn that case I feel you've slid too far the opposite direction.

Someone in a cushy office somewhere sent some chumps to check it out and didn't care if it cost them their lives so long as it got a result. That was always the idea even in the first movie. They were sent out, intentionally.

The line is having the company go out of its way to be evil, which only came in through the EU. There's a difference between "kill everyone involved" and "your safety is not our priority". The films are the latter, the EU the former.

I'm not discounting that notion entirely, but it doesn't really make sense. If you think there's something of value to collect, shouldn't you be sending a qualified team and not people who are completely unprepared. Not caring about their lives is not the same as not caring about your big pay day. This is why, in my mind, it makes far more sense that the events of Alien are simply the result of the signal being picked up, and a series of automated decisions being made by The Network/Muther.

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 16, 2022, 12:03:30 PMYep, Parker summed it up pretty good : "what about our lives you son of a bitch ?"

Granted, but that doesn't follow that there was someone back home that made a specific call on that. S.O. can just as easily be a protocol that is called up. Just like the clauses Ash quotes to Parker, just as Ash was transferred to the ship, just as the S.O. if it's all just part of an automated, uncaring, computerized network there's no need for a nefarious suit back home. All the pieces are put into a place by a corporate entity (as in the social organism) to CYA in any circumstances. We have things in place to make calls on these eventualities should they arise and we need not worry.

BigDaddyJohn

Nah I actually agree with you, I don't feel there's really a big evil scheme to hurt people etc. But just like many existing companies right now. People getting hurt/ potentially sacrified probably is not high in the priority list when it comes against profit.

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