Started by DiabloGuapo, Aug 26, 2021, 09:01:01 PM
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Oct 08, 2021, 01:25:33 PMI don't think Ripley ruined the franchise any more than Indiana Jones,James Bond,John McClane or the Lone Ranger did theirs. Any series needs a good script and director. We all ready know the leads in those films are competent actors (or were).
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 08, 2021, 02:31:27 PMBefore the prequels, Ripley severely damaged the franchise in the term of the studio worried they couldn't make an Alien film without her, and a result of that mindset was "Alien Resurrection", which (I know it still has its fans here) turned Alien into a mockery at the time for the general audience. Those weren't the good days.Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Oct 08, 2021, 01:25:33 PMI don't think Ripley ruined the franchise any more than Indiana Jones,James Bond,John McClane or the Lone Ranger did theirs. Any series needs a good script and director. We all ready know the leads in those films are competent actors (or were).I think this doesn't quite equate though. Indiana Jones films are about the character Indiana Jones. James Bond films are about the character James Bond. Alien doesn't have to be about Ripley, nor did it need to be.... just as Terminator didn't need to be about Arnold Schwarzenegger's infiltration T-800 model... yet it became that.To me, the Alien is the star of Alien films, just like in Predator. In Predator films, there are no recurring characters, nor does there need to be. With Alien, I am personally ultimately good if there are recurring characters, as long as the films never become reliant on them again.
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Oct 08, 2021, 03:48:55 PMIt's just my opinion. As you point out Voodoo the studio made an error thinking Ripley equals a successful ALIEN film. I view her as a heroine in the franchise. I don't think she ruined anything. I welcome new characters and story lines to the franchise. Though I still can see a future for Ripley.And you were correct Voodoo my examples were about films based on the main characters. I was focused on the "Ripley ruined" part of the previous post. Concerning Resurrection I think the directors choice to go with the dark humor was a big contribution to the "mockery" for some. I think it would have been a much better film if it didn't have that slant.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 08, 2021, 09:09:32 PMRipley didn't ruin anything. Her character is a highlight of every film she's in.
QuoteTerrible creative direction "ruined" the franchise, not Ripley.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 08, 2021, 10:35:59 PMWhedon's first idea was to clone Newt and turn her into Buffy the Alien Slayer so no, I do not agree that bringing Ripley back was the foundation of Resurrection's problems EDITI got it a bit backwards. Fox originally asked him to write the Newt clone due to Buffy, then switched to Ripley after the outline stage. But still, the creative direction was f**ked from the outset.See also, every Alien 3 script being pretty lame with or without Ripley.
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