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Title: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 16, 2016, 03:20:12 PM
Earlier this month SM updated the legendary Alien Timeline: https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: marrerom on Mar 08, 2016, 11:39:44 PM
Why are the timelines for the Alien and Predator series separated? They share the same continuity.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 19, 2016, 03:24:40 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Mar 08, 2016, 11:39:44 PM
Why are the timelines for the Alien and Predator series separated? They share the same continuity.

That's.... well... I don't even know anymore.  >:(
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 19, 2016, 03:40:31 PM
Alien, predator, and avp all share separate continuity's IMO.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: D. Compton Ambrose on Mar 19, 2016, 05:02:04 PM
Quote from: 420Buddy on Mar 19, 2016, 03:40:31 PM
Alien, predator, and avp all share separate continuity's IMO.

They should.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 19, 2016, 09:59:34 PM
Quote from: 420Buddy on Mar 19, 2016, 03:40:31 PM
Alien, predator, and avp all share separate continuity's IMO.

I go back and forth between believing and not believing that.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 19, 2016, 10:56:30 PM
That's my opinion on the films only though.

The EU can do and explore anything they want, that being that the EU is suppose to do without being confined by the rules of the film universes.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 19, 2016, 11:04:57 PM
Quote from: 420Buddy on Mar 19, 2016, 10:56:30 PM
The EU can do and explore anything they want, that being that the EU is suppose to do without being confined by the rules of the film universes.

I actually gave up on the EU.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 05:35:16 AM
The two are separate because the author of the timelines has allowed his personal biases to guide what he thinks the timelines should be rather than what they actually are.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 20, 2016, 11:37:35 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 05:35:16 AM
The two are separate because the author of the timelines has allowed his personal biases to guide what he thinks the timelines should be rather than what they actually are.

The alien and predator timelines are separate in the films. AvP should be considered its own timeline as Anderson intended
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 01:29:33 PM
When does Anderson claim that his film should be considered separate from the other movies?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 20, 2016, 03:34:51 PM
Upon looking the quote up i see i was wrong but he does say:
QuoteBut AVP is designed as a stand-alone franchise
in this interview

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/avp-movies/avp-movie/paul-anderson-qa/

But as you see he says that it is part of both series.

Regardless Prometheus contradicts AvP's version of weyland and the history of the company which has to make AvP a separate timeline. I guess there is nothing directly keeping the predator and avp timelines from being the same though.

Title: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 04:14:32 PM
Claims that AVP is part of a different timeline are all just fan propaganda based on personal prejudices and biases.  If Prometheus were worse received then Prometheus would have become its own separate timeline as well.  This same "canon" rationale is likewise used by Star Wars fans to say that the prequel trilogy belongs in a different timeline than the original trilogy for the exact same reasons as AVP and Alien.  I have no respect for this fan rationale, it's simply too ridiculous.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 20, 2016, 04:26:44 PM
Meh its whatever you want it to be, no use getting all conspiracy about it. Personally for me, Prometheus and it's sequels are apart of the aliens series. Avp and avp r are they're own thing, and the predator series is fine on its own.

That's my opinion everyone else here has their own.

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 20, 2016, 04:56:09 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 04:14:32 PM
Claims that AVP is part of a different timeline are all just fan propaganda based on personal prejudices and biases.  If Prometheus were worse received then Prometheus would have become its own separate timeline as well.  This same "canon" rationale is likewise used by Star Wars fans to say that the prequel trilogy belongs in a different timeline than the original trilogy for the exact same reasons as AVP and Alien.  I have no respect for this fan rationale, it's simply too ridiculous.

This isn't true whatsoever. There has always been question marks over AVP but Prometheus definitely put the matter to rest by retconning it out of existence completely.

The quality of the film is irrelevant. A majority of the fanbase dislike Alien 3 and Resurrection but no one has ever suggested they are not canon.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 04:58:19 PM
QuoteThis isn't true whatsoever. There has always been question marks over AVP but Prometheus definitely put the matter to rest by retconning it out of existence completely.

Then why is it that AVP was retconned out?  Since Prometheus came out later, doesn't that mean Prometheus should have been retconned instead of AVP?  Like how the Prequel trilogy was retconned after the Original Trilogy?  This is all fan bias, nothing more; if Prometheus was worse than AVP, guess which title would have been retconned. 

Btw, Prometheus also contradicts Aliens and Alien: Resurrection.  Does this mean those films aren't canon, either?

QuoteThe quality of the film is irrelevant. A majority of the fanbase dislike Alien 3 and Resurrection but no one has ever suggested they are not canon.

Ohh yes they have, the idea may not have been popular on this specific board but back before the AVP films came out there was a substantial number of people dedicated to saying just that.  After the AVP films came out, the hate naturally found new titles to focus on.  Despite the fact that I actually agree that Alien 3 and Rez shouldn't be canon, I never once joined this fringe group nor did I pressure others into believing this crazy schema.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 20, 2016, 05:08:43 PM
I'm not sure why anyone even considers it a bad thing that avp and avpr have their own timeline. The  Predator and the Alien series were conceived as two totally different movie universes. The success of their EU matchup led to a new film universe, the AvP series.

Their quality aside, I would be happy to see all three of these series (alien covenant, the predator, and a still unannounced AvP3) go in their own directions separate from each others universes.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 20, 2016, 07:01:06 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 04:58:19 PM
Then why is it that AVP was retconned out?  Since Prometheus came out later, doesn't that mean Prometheus should have been retconned instead of AVP?  Like how the Prequel trilogy was retconned after the Original Trilogy?  This is all fan bias, nothing more; if Prometheus was worse than AVP, guess which title would have been retconned.

How can Prometheus retcon itself exactly? That would be a neat trick. At the end of the day, Prometheus had the chance to continue the ground rules set down by AVP but Ridley Scott and co decided to ignore them completely and rewrite with their own vision in mind, ergo erasing completely what came before and putting to rest any lingering doubt that AVP occupies the same universe.

Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 04:58:19 PM
Btw, Prometheus also contradicts Aliens and Alien: Resurrection.  Does this mean those films aren't canon, either?

How so?

Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 04:58:19 PM
Ohh yes they have, the idea may not have been popular on this specific board but back before the AVP films came out there was a substantial number of people dedicated to saying just that.  After the AVP films came out, the hate naturally found new titles to focus on.  Despite the fact that I actually agree that Alien 3 and Rez shouldn't be canon, I never once joined this fringe group nor did I pressure others into believing this crazy schema.

People may say that in a casual sense sure and of course everyone is entitled to their own personal universe, but no one has every presented a serious argument in any official capacity for 3 and 4 being non-canon, simply because there isn't one. There is literally no evidence that Alien 3 and Resurrection never happened therefore any argument that suggests so is invalid. It's the fan bias you keep referring to.

But your argument with fan bias for AVP is wrong. People don't count it as canon because they don't like it, they don't count it because it cannot exist alongside Prometheus. The ironic thing here is that you yourself seem to have succumbed to 'fan bias' arguing for AVP by conveniently ignoring the concepts presented in the film that ensure it cannot be part of the canon.

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 07:42:43 PM
QuoteHow can Prometheus retcon itself exactly? That would be a neat trick. At the end of the day, Prometheus had the chance to continue the ground rules set down by AVP but Ridley Scott and co decided to ignore them completely and rewrite with their own vision in mind, ergo erasing completely what came before and putting to rest any lingering doubt that AVP occupies the same universe.

The argument would go that since Prometheus breaks continuity with the AVP films then it registers itself as not canon to the original universe, therefore it creates and sets up its own parallel timeline.

QuotePeople may say that in a casual sense sure and of course everyone is entitled to their own personal universe, but no one has every presented a serious argument in any official capacity for 3 and 4 being non-canon, simply because there isn't one. There is literally no evidence that Alien 3 and Resurrection never happened therefore any argument that suggests so is invalid. It's the fan bias you keep referring to.

But your argument with fan bias for AVP is wrong. People don't count it as canon because they don't like it, they don't count it because it cannot exist alongside Prometheus. The ironic thing here is that you yourself seem to have succumbed to 'fan bias' arguing for AVP by conveniently ignoring the concepts presented in the film that ensure it cannot be part of the canon.

There isn't any evidence that the AVP films never occurred in the Alien timeline either; in fact, the Prometheus timeline for Weyland Industries doesn't contradict the AVP timeline at all, it even seems to pay homage to it actually by referencing the year the first AVP film was released.  I also know that the initial release of the W-Y Report does mention that Charles Weyland was an important person in the company's history; this was a title that referenced both the Alien and Prometheus movies.

It's been awhile since I heard the Alien 3 isn't canon debate, but I think one such argument was that the beginning of Alien 3 isn't concrete enough to establish the film as a legitimate sequel to Aliens.  I can't be sure whether this was a specific topic that was used though, as I said before I never took part in the not-canon argument for any title, let alone Alien 3.  Also, please see below about how Aliens and A:R also can't exist alongside Prometheus.

Quote from: TheBATMAN on Mar 20, 2016, 07:01:06 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 04:58:19 PM
Btw, Prometheus also contradicts Aliens and Alien: Resurrection.  Does this mean those films aren't canon, either?

How so?

Prometheus demonstrates that "The Company" has tons of advanced futuristic techology such as holo-maps, etc. however those same technologies are not present in any of the later films in the series.  In Aliens, Ripley and co. gather around a projector table when deciding how to barricade their base; if Prometheus is supposed to exist in the same timeline as Aliens then considering that Aliens takes place 85 years after Prometheus, there is no reason why the terraforming plant shouldn't have the same holographic technology that Prometheus had considering how old the technology must be by then and how terraforming is W-Y's #1 moneyfunding project ("Building Better Worlds").  Furthermore, in A: Rez, which takes place 285 years after Prometheus, the Auriga likewise doesn't have any of the technology that Prometheus had and that presents a continuity error between the titles.

For all the "discrepancies" that fans claim the AVP movies provide, they sure are lenient when it comes to judging Prometheus's own problems. :-\
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 20, 2016, 07:58:32 PM
You act like not being apart of the regular aliens series is some kind of insult. Like I explained in my post above, its just easier and better for all involved to have 3 separate franchises, no insult to avp.

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 08:02:00 PM
Quote from: 420Buddy on Mar 20, 2016, 07:58:32 PM
You act like not being apart of the regular aliens series is some kind of insult. Like I explained in my post above, its just easier and better for all involved to have 3 separate franchises, no insult to avp.

I suppose you do have a point, it's just a sore topic for me since I was present way back when during the time when canon debates were all the rage and the AVP movies were single-mindedly targeted against all the other movies in the franchise.

I don't know whether this means anything or not, but AVP2010 does acknowledge both the AVP movies and the Alien movies as being part of the same universe by referencing the incident on Acheron (LV-426) and Charles Bishop Weyland.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 20, 2016, 08:03:26 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 07:42:43 PM
The argument would go that since Prometheus breaks continuity with the AVP films then it registers itself as not canon to the original universe, therefore it creates and sets up its own parallel timeline.

But what would be the reason for deliberately doing this other than to demonstrate AVP means nothing? Clearly Prometheus was written to eventually tie into the first Alien film, it was not devised to set up its own parallel timeline. By that logic it would also mean Alien Covenant would not be canon, then its two sequels after that, then Alien itself, leaving us with nothing but AVP and AVPR, which ironically is what people are saying in the first place; they exist on their own in a alternate universe.

Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 07:42:43 PM
Prometheus demonstrates that "The Company" has tons of advanced futuristic techology such as holo-maps, etc. however those same technologies are not present in any of the later films in the series.  In Aliens, Ripley and co. gather around a projector table when deciding how to barricade their base; if Prometheus is supposed to exist in the same timeline as Aliens then considering that Aliens takes place 85 years after Prometheus, there is no reason why the terraforming plant shouldn't have the same holographic technology that Prometheus had considering how old the technology must be by then and how terraforming is W-Y's #1 moneyfunding project ("Building Better Worlds").  Furthermore, in A: Rez, which takes place 285 years after Prometheus, the Auriga likewise doesn't have any of the technology that Prometheus had and that presents a continuity error between the titles.

For all the "discrepancies" that fans claim the AVP movies provide, they sure are lenient when it comes to judging Prometheus's own problems. :-\

Yes but you clearly know why those differences exist - that is just nitpicking to the extreme. You cannot expect a film made in 1979 to compete aesthetically with a 2012 sequel/prequel. Had the technology existed back then to create holo-maps and suchlike, they would have done it. Hell, Ridley Scott even says as much in his original Alien commentary - but there was simply no way to implement it back then, and the same in 1986. Likewise you can't expect a 2012 big-budget movie to have 1979 special effects and ZX Spectrum computers all over the bridge.

Besides, those differences also have absolutely nothing to so with the narrative, which is what we're discussing here. Canon has nothing to do with aesthetics and other superficial details. That just comes down to design choice, budget and the technological limitations of the time. Besides, it is somewhat explained that the Prometheus is the flagship of the company, outfitted with state of the art, modern tech. The Nostromo is just an old tugboat made on the cheap, likewise the Auriga centuries later.

I'm not saying Prometheus is not without its problems, but canon and continuity is not one of them. The production design of the film compared to a film made 33 years earlier is irrelevant. And let's face it should Alien or Aliens ever get remade (god-forbid), both the Nostromo and the colony would look vastly different than their original counterparts and much more in line with Prometheus, and that has nothing to do with narrative, only that technology has moved on.

I still watch the AVP films occasionally, and I'll defend Requiem more than most, but they are not part of the primary universe. It's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 08:11:51 PM
QuoteBut what would be the reason for deliberately doing this other than to demonstrate AVP means nothing? Clearly Prometheus was written to eventually tie into the first Alien film, it was not devised to set up its own parallel timeline. By that logic it would also mean Alien Covenant would not be canon, then its two sequels after that, then Alien itself, leaving us with nothing but AVP and AVPR, which ironically is what people are saying in the first place; they exist on their own in a alternate universe.

I'm actually discussing this from a fan perspective rather than from a director perspective (fans have been saying the AVP films were not canon long before Prometheus came out); when it comes to canon, it seems fans have an overly powerful say in the matter.  I'm just saying that as of late, fans have been rather superficial about the whole process of selection when it comes to choosing which films are canon and which aren't.  As I've mentioned before, these same fans have dictated that the Prequel Trilogy for Star Wars isn't canon and they come up with lots of rationalized excuses for why that is which include plot discrepancies, dumb characters, etc (the very same excuses they use for this franchise as well).  I just want to point out that this is all due to bias and prejudice rather than an actual attempt to create a cohesive canon.

QuoteYes but you clearly know why those differences exist - that is just nitpicking to the extreme. You cannot expect a film made in 1979 to compete aesthetically with a 2012 sequel/prequel. Had the technology existed back then to create holo-maps and suchlike, they would have done it. Hell, Ridley Scott even says as much in his original Alien commentary - but there was simply no way to implement it back then, and the same in 1986. Likewise you can't expect a 2012 big-budget movie to have 1979 special effects and ZX Spectrum computers all over the bridge.

Besides, those differences also have absolutely nothing to so with the narrative, which is what we're discussing here. Canon has nothing to do with aesthetics and other superficial details. That just comes down to design choice, budget and the technological limitations of the time. Besides, it is somewhat explained that the Prometheus is the flagship of the company, outfitted with state of the art, modern tech. The Nostromo is just an old tugboat made on the cheap, likewise the Auriga centuries later.

Actually, if you watch the special feature documentaries for Alien; the 1979 classic was filmed and designed to have a dark and retro feel to it.  Ridley Scott did not like how all the new space movies at the time like Star Wars and such had their spaceships so technologically advanced and bright so he deliberately made the Nostromo darker and more "built from crap"-like.  The "aesthetics" of the first film are rather VERY important in this regard because they were designed with deliberate intent by Ridley Scott, not because of lack of technology.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 20, 2016, 08:37:20 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 08:11:51 PM
I'm actually discussing this from a fan perspective rather than from a director perspective (fans have been saying the AVP films were not canon long before Prometheus came out); when it comes to canon, it seems fans have an overly powerful say in the matter.  I'm just saying that as of late, fans have been rather superficial about the whole process of selection when it comes to choosing which films are canon and which aren't.  As I've mentioned before, these same fans have dictated that the Prequel Trilogy for Star Wars isn't canon and they come up with lots of rationalized excuses for why that is which include plot discrepancies, dumb characters, etc (the very same excuses they use for this franchise as well).  I just want to point out that this is all due to bias and prejudice rather than an actual attempt to create a cohesive canon.

Fans are entitled to believe what they want to believe, but we also have no say on what is and isn't canon at the end of the day. People can argue that Alien 3, Resurrection, the Star Wars prequels may not be canon, but they are wasting their time as none of their arguments have any merit because there is no evidence. A universe as convoluted as Star Wars is bound to have small plot discrepancies sure, but clearly the prequels were written to add to the canon, not be part of an expanded universe. There really is no argument to be had there. Accidentally making a mistake/discrepancy in the narrative is entirely different to purposefully changing something, which is what they did with Prometheus over AVP.

People argue for the inclusion of AVP with bias and prejudice because there is nothing else to use. There is no evidence . I agree that the canon of the Alien universe has always been muddled, but for the first time Fox seem to be trying to start again and craft something that is structured and something that fits, and it all started with Prometheus. They could have included AVP in that had they wanted to, but they deliberately didn't - and that is key.

Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 08:11:51 PM
Actually, if you watch the special feature documentaries for Alien; the 1979 classic was filmed and designed to have a dark and retro feel to it.  Ridley Scott did not like how all the new space movies at the time like Star Wars and such had their spaceships so technologically advanced and bright so he deliberately made the Nostromo darker and more "built from crap"-like.  The "aesthetics" of the first film are rather VERY important in this regard because they were designed with deliberate intent by Ridley Scott, not because of lack of technology.

Yes, that's partly correct but its still down to a lack of technology. In his commentary Scott says it would be logical that 150 years in the future, computers would be smaller and everything would be high-definition flat screen - but there was simply no way for him to implement that back in 1979. But Scott's reasoning for making the Nostromo 'dark and retro' and 'built from crap' is also a good-enough explanation to overlook why the Prometheus looks so different does it not? The basic architecture looks the same with the walls, decor, hatches etc, but it's the technology that makes it stand out.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 09:14:06 PM
QuoteFans are entitled to believe what they want to believe, but we also have no say on what is and isn't canon at the end of the day. People can argue that Alien 3, Resurrection, the Star Wars prequels may not be canon, but they are wasting their time as none of their arguments have any merit because there is no evidence. A universe as convoluted as Star Wars is bound to have small plot discrepancies sure, but clearly the prequels were written to add to the canon, not be part of an expanded universe. There really is no argument to be had there. Accidentally making a mistake/discrepancy in the narrative is entirely different to purposefully changing something, which is what they did with Prometheus over AVP.

I get what you're saying though I'm not sure the two examples are comparable; we don't know whether or not Ridley Scott deliberately made Prometheus to conflict with AVP nor do we know whether George Lucas made a mistake in his Star Wars series or whether he knew what he was doing and decided to screw continuity anyway. 

Out of curiosity, do you consider A:CM canon?  I know that Fox and its developers definitely consider it to be canon and strongly advertised it as such, but strangely enough fans are more likely to think Alien: Isolation is more canon than the aforementioned title.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Mar 20, 2016, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 05:35:16 AM
The two are separate because the author of the timelines has allowed his personal biases to guide what he thinks the timelines should be rather than what they actually are.

No, he didn't.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 20, 2016, 09:21:54 PM
I personally don't consider anything but the films as canon to their own universes.

Fans probably would have been more accepting of ACM in general if its story and retcons hadnt been so mind numbingly stupid.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 09:26:12 PM
I understand why people wouldn't want the EU of some franchises to be canon; I've taken a look at Terminator's EU and it's riddled with stories that were obviously made with little thought but with big hopes for quick cash.  However, I think we need to take the intentions of every author into account rather than just one author, whether Ridley Scott or otherwise.  I may not like certain titles in a franchise, but I certainly won't dismiss it just because I don't like it.  Separating all 3 franchises into 3 timelines actually sounds like a neat idea now that I think about it more, I just don't think the people who are actually in charge of the franchise are going to do that which means this idea will likely be a fan idea only (not that it matters really, considering that Alien 5 is going to reinvent the whole timeline issue anyway :-\).
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 20, 2016, 09:41:20 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 09:14:06 PM
I get what you're saying though I'm not sure the two examples are comparable; we don't know whether or not Ridley Scott deliberately made Prometheus to conflict with AVP nor do we know whether George Lucas made a mistake in his Star Wars series or whether he knew what he was doing and decided to screw continuity anyway.

Well we do know because Furious Gods shows Lindelof tried to explain the AVP canon and Weyland back story to Ridley and the response was not favourable to say the least. Scott has purposefully avoided AVP for a reason it would seem and clearly had no intention to ever include it.

Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 09:14:06 PM
Out of curiosity, do you consider A:CM canon?  I know that Fox and its developers definitely consider it to be canon and strongly advertised it as such, but strangely enough fans are more likely to think Alien: Isolation is more canon than the aforementioned title.

No, because it doesn't fit. The Company having ready access to the derelict post Aliens completely negates Michael Bishop's mission in Alien 3 and the whole concept of later cloning Ripley and the unborn Queen inside her. I believe Fox's canon stance in the build up to the game's release was purely to help the marketing. Post-release, they have been surprisingly quiet about the subject surprise surprise.

So like AVP, I don't discount ACM because of the quality of the product, I discount it because it simply cannot work.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 09:45:16 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Mar 20, 2016, 09:41:20 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 09:14:06 PM
Out of curiosity, do you consider A:CM canon?  I know that Fox and its developers definitely consider it to be canon and strongly advertised it as such, but strangely enough fans are more likely to think Alien: Isolation is more canon than the aforementioned title.

No, because it doesn't fit. The Company having ready access to the derelict post Aliens completely negates Michael Bishop's mission in Alien 3 and the whole concept of later cloning Ripley and the unborn Queen inside her. I believe Fox's canon stance in the build up to the game's release was purely to help the marketing. Post-release, they have been surprisingly quiet about the subject surprise surprise.

So like AVP, I don't discount ACM because of the quality of the product, I discount it because it simply cannot work.

I think Michael Bishop found the derelict post after Ripley's sacrifice.  As for the connection with A:R, yeah, the novelization claims the Derelict was destroyed, but the EU has W-Y acquire Aliens through other means anyways.  Personally, I just take it that the Auriga cloned Ripley probably because it was the easiest way to get their hands on an illegal alien organism without getting caught.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 20, 2016, 09:51:47 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 09:45:16 PM
I think Michael Bishop found the derelict post after Ripley's sacrifice.  As for the connection with A:R, yeah, the novelization claims the Derelict was destroyed, but the EU has W-Y acquire Aliens through other means anyways.  Personally, I just take it that the Auriga cloned Ripley probably because it was the easiest way to get their hands on an illegal alien organism.

Doesn't work because Stasis Interrupted clearly shows the Origin facility has been constructed around the derelict well before Ripley's sacrifice at the end of Alien 3. We see the facility is already up and running by the time Hicks makes his escape with the other guy and that can only be set days or weeks at most after Alien 3 ended, and a facility of that size would have taken months to construct let's be honest. And if the EU was canon to the films, then there would have been plenty of easier ways to acquire an Alien then cloning someone who died 200 years ago. Every man and his dog seemingly has access to them in the EU.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 09:55:28 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Mar 20, 2016, 09:51:47 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 09:45:16 PM
I think Michael Bishop found the derelict post after Ripley's sacrifice.  As for the connection with A:R, yeah, the novelization claims the Derelict was destroyed, but the EU has W-Y acquire Aliens through other means anyways.  Personally, I just take it that the Auriga cloned Ripley probably because it was the easiest way to get their hands on an illegal alien organism.

Doesn't work because Stasis Interrupted clearly shows the Origin facility being constructed around the derelict well before Ripley's sacrifice at the end of Alien 3. And if the EU was canon to the films, then there would have been plenty of easier ways to acquire an Alien then cloning someone who died 200 years ago. Every man and his dog seemingly has access to them in the EU.

Maybe they wanted Ripley's Queen embryo?  It's a mess, yes, but I've had to deal with even worse plot issues than those; have you seen Heroes: Reborn?  And yes, the Aliens are overly prevalent in the EU but as I said earlier I just rationalize that cloning a dead person was the easiest way to get a Queen without being caught by the legitimate government.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 20, 2016, 09:58:12 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 09:55:28 PM
Maybe they wanted Ripley's Queen embryo?  It's a mess, yes, but I've had to deal with even worse plot issues than those; have you seen Heroes: Reborn?  And yes, the Aliens are overly prevalent in the EU but as I said earlier I just rationalize that cloning a dead person was the easiest way to get a Queen without being caught by the legitimate government.

Perhaps, but with respect it also seems like desperation to find some way it could possibly fit when all the evidence would suggest otherwise. Fan bias in your own words.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 09:59:56 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Mar 20, 2016, 09:58:12 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 09:55:28 PM
Maybe they wanted Ripley's Queen embryo?  It's a mess, yes, but I've had to deal with even worse plot issues than those; have you seen Heroes: Reborn?  And yes, the Aliens are overly prevalent in the EU but as I said earlier I just rationalize that cloning a dead person was the easiest way to get a Queen without being caught by the legitimate government.

Perhaps, but with respect it also seems like desperation to find some way it could possibly fit when all the evidence would suggest otherwise. Fan bias in your own words.

Yes, though I prefer the term "producer bias" if it's the developers or directors who are doing it.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Alien Predator on Mar 20, 2016, 10:21:49 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 08:02:00 PM
Quote from: 420Buddy on Mar 20, 2016, 07:58:32 PM
You act like not being apart of the regular aliens series is some kind of insult. Like I explained in my post above, its just easier and better for all involved to have 3 separate franchises, no insult to avp.

I suppose you do have a point, it's just a sore topic for me since I was present way back when during the time when canon debates were all the rage and the AVP movies were single-mindedly targeted against all the other movies in the franchise.

I don't know whether this means anything or not, but AVP2010 does acknowledge both the AVP movies and the Alien movies as being part of the same universe by referencing the incident on Acheron (LV-426) and Charles Bishop Weyland.

While on the topic of games, I remember seeing a holographic projection of an Alien while watching the cutscene movie of Aliens: Colonial Marines.

I just thought I'd let you know since you did question how Aliens had no holograms while Prometheus did.

My own explanation was always that Prometheus is the top of the line corporate science vessel while the Nostromo and even the colony are just budget facilities used by blue collar workers. I don't know how much of the Sulaco we see, not much in the film but I'm not sure how much of it we see in the EU or of other Conestoga class ships.

Similar point on the Auriga, we still don't see much of it inside apart from what the main characters encounter. The only one I can think of that is a valid point is the lack of those medical pods, they operated on Ripley by hand whereas Shaw used a medpod to get the Trilobite out of her.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 10:27:30 PM
Yeah, A:CM did a lot to reference Prometheus, it also featured the 3D mapping balls that Fifield used in the movie.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on May 16, 2016, 05:19:52 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 20, 2016, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 05:35:16 AM
The two are separate because the author of the timelines has allowed his personal biases to guide what he thinks the timelines should be rather than what they actually are.

No, he didn't.

Did he make it all fit?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 16, 2016, 10:01:08 PM
No.

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Engineer on Aug 28, 2016, 08:07:34 PM
You may find this useful for the "alien: isolation" section of your timeline:

https://mobile.twitter.com/miketanaka2095

You may already be aware of this. But in case not, this was a fake Twitter account started by CA. It chronicles the event on board Sevastopol through the eyes of one person living aboard the station when the alien showed up. The character is referenced in the game too, I believe through audiologs. The Twitter account also references other characters from the game. I never found him, but I heard this guys body can be found in a hidden room in the game too.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Aug 28, 2016, 11:29:50 PM
Cheers.

Darrell Curtis actually sent me a spreadsheet with all that info some time ago, and I've yet to find time to have a proper read of it.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Engineer on Aug 28, 2016, 11:41:14 PM
Cool!

I read through it. I thought it was interesting, and a cool way for CA to flesh out a character's (or two's) backstory who'd otherwise just be a throwaway-character in the main campaign.

Did that spreadsheet you got include his "sketches?" The character was a bit of an artist, and he "posted" sketches of the alien once or twice after having seen it.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: marrerom on Sep 09, 2016, 03:19:43 PM
Hey SM, any thoughts on Shane Black's statements regarding the placement of Predators in the timeline?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2016, 10:08:27 PM
I don't remember what he had to say about it?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: marrerom on Sep 10, 2016, 03:10:35 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2016, 10:08:27 PM
I don't remember what he had to say about it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7pOiu1kmZU&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7pOiu1kmZU&feature=youtu.be)

"The events of Predators, the Robert Rodriquez one, have not happened yet and Predator 2 has probably happened already. It's present day, it's 2018. It's a re-imagining for 2018 of the Predator but all the events of the other movies are sort of acknowledged."

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Engineer on Sep 10, 2016, 03:41:09 AM
Does the timeline still include predator? Or is it alien only?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 11, 2016, 07:15:30 AM
I've included Predator stuff here (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/the-banned-histories-pre-history-to-2004/).

I would say that Predators takes place before the next film (in 2008), but if Blacks film specifies dates and events that contradict that, then his film will take precedence.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xhan on Sep 15, 2016, 06:41:51 PM
YOU GET A JOB HIPPIE
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 19, 2016, 05:25:19 AM
Don't wanna.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Darth Rinzler on Sep 20, 2016, 07:37:52 AM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Mar 20, 2016, 09:51:47 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 20, 2016, 09:45:16 PM
I think Michael Bishop found the derelict post after Ripley's sacrifice.  As for the connection with A:R, yeah, the novelization claims the Derelict was destroyed, but the EU has W-Y acquire Aliens through other means anyways.  Personally, I just take it that the Auriga cloned Ripley probably because it was the easiest way to get their hands on an illegal alien organism.

Doesn't work because Stasis Interrupted clearly shows the Origin facility has been constructed around the derelict well before Ripley's sacrifice at the end of Alien 3. We see the facility is already up and running by the time Hicks makes his escape with the other guy and that can only be set days or weeks at most after Alien 3 ended, and a facility of that size would have taken months to construct let's be honest. And if the EU was canon to the films, then there would have been plenty of easier ways to acquire an Alien then cloning someone who died 200 years ago. Every man and his dog seemingly has access to them in the EU.

Its more than likely about containment and control.  If they just let Ripley go, she could have caused the destruction of earth.

As for the aliens, and there availability, on planets they control, with nothing to hunt aliens are depicted burying themselves into the ground, deeply.  Thats probably one reason humans after recovering from the blackout are having trouble finding aliens.  They buried themselves and went into hibernation.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 20, 2016, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: Darth Rinzler on Sep 20, 2016, 07:37:52 AM
Its more than likely about containment and control.  If they just let Ripley go, she could have caused the destruction of earth.

As for the aliens, and there availability, on planets they control, with nothing to hunt aliens are depicted burying themselves into the ground, deeply.  Thats probably one reason humans after recovering from the blackout are having trouble finding aliens.  They buried themselves and went into hibernation.

Couldn't they have cloned an alien from the remains of some other poor bastard from any number of the alien-infested worlds from the EU?  Why did it have to be Ripley?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Olde on Sep 21, 2016, 08:49:48 AM
Is...is this the right thread for debating the merits of whether or not some of these things are believable/possible? Like, even on a logistical level.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 21, 2016, 10:30:03 AM
Depends what "things".
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Olde on Sep 22, 2016, 08:30:54 AM
I'll assume not, then.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 22, 2016, 09:47:07 PM
We won't know unless you pitch something to debate the believability of.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Olde on Sep 24, 2016, 07:44:51 AM
Okay, let's give this a shot.

Quote2017 (December 19)

Weyland acquires technology NASA's Project Prometheus. The Jupiter Icy Moons Orbiter mission is revived by Weyland Industries and simple lifeforms are discovered in Europa's ocean.

2022 (June 1)

The Weyland Industries Health Division research in genetics and using extraterrestrial elements, results in the release of an effective cure to 98% of cancers.

I'm supposed to believe that a space program about Jupiter's moons, revived at the end of 2017 (so, effectively 2018), will yield the discovery of life forms in Europa's ocean, and not five years later, not only are those extraterrestrial elements brought back to Earth (it currently takes about 5 years for a satellite to reach Jupiter from Earth as a flyby, not intending to land on anything, and that's using both Venus and Mercury as a planetary slingshot), but also, somehow Weyland got enough clearance through the endless cesspool that is human bio-ethics (or did not, which must've raised all kinds of red flags) to not only test said extraterrestrial elements on humans, and not only cure cancer, but to release the cure for cancer. Are you insane? Am I really supposed to believe that?

Spoiler
And not just because that assumes that, unlike every other millenial, Weyland actually had the motivation to do something other than become a YouTuber or Tumblr SJW.
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Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 24, 2016, 11:55:18 AM
It's fiction. You can believe (or not) what you like.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 24, 2016, 01:26:01 PM
Man...Olde...you definitely got a corn cob up there lol.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 24, 2016, 07:00:09 PM
One of the beefs I have that timeline is the Weyland-wankery.  I actually prefer Charles Bishop Weyland because he's a more believable character than the downright messianic Sir Peter Weyland.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Olde on Sep 25, 2016, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 24, 2016, 11:55:18 AM
It's fiction. You can believe (or not) what you like.
It's fiction, so I don't believe any of it. If I did, I'd be delusional and unable to distinguish reality from falsehood, and you'd (rightfully) reprimand me for it. Peter Weyland doesn't exist, he didn't do (or will do) any of the things purported to be by him. It's a fictional universe. I think the Aliens series is a fun little what-if, nothing more. It's just that in the instance of Weyland doing all those downright miraculous things (reversing climate change, curing cancer, setting up atmosphere processors on planets light years away, etc.), some of which are impossible in the given timeframe, it's absolutely preposterous and not even realistic enough to warrant suspending your disbelief to follow the story. I'm also not sure why they're integral to the story or, as Local said, why he has to be a messianic figure in the series. But whatever.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 25, 2016, 11:30:11 PM
Whatever you think.

He was simply conceived that way.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 26, 2016, 01:32:02 AM
Maybe Weyland is just a narcissistic prick who takes credit for the hard work of others.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: PsyKore on Sep 28, 2016, 12:45:31 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 26, 2016, 01:32:02 AM
Maybe Weyland is just a narcissistic prick who takes credit for the hard work of others.

I get that vibe from him. He's the type of person that would take all credit just because maybe he financed some of it.

I do agree with Olde though; his back story is so far ingrained in fantasy that you can't swallow it. It's hard to believe because it conflicts with an otherwise very grounded series of movies.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: FenGiddel on Sep 03, 2017, 01:03:03 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 28, 2016, 11:29:50 PM
Cheers.

Darrell Curtis actually sent me a spreadsheet with all that info some time ago, and I've yet to find time to have a proper read of it.
And... posted (https://thenostromofiles.com/cmd4770958/overmonitoring-address-matrix/timelines/the-mike-tanaka-tweets/).
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Engineer on Sep 03, 2017, 04:20:53 AM
Wow thanks for that!
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 03, 2017, 10:38:32 AM
Come on Darrell - it was only a year!  ;D
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: FenGiddel on Sep 03, 2017, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 03, 2017, 10:38:32 AM
Come on Darrell - it was only a year!  ;D
Well, you did do the work of posting the Archive Logs.   ;D


At any rate, time flies when you're maintaining a timeline, eh brother?   :D
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 18, 2017, 05:42:34 AM
Updates relating to Covenant:

Date stuff. (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/the-weyland-century/)
Ship stuff. (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/vehicles/)
Planety stuff. (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/planets/)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 18, 2017, 08:40:57 PM
Does this mean Covenant is canon now?  :-\
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 18, 2017, 08:48:55 PM
Only to AvP:R.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 19, 2017, 10:51:23 AM
How did you determine the new dates?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 19, 2017, 11:23:48 AM
QuoteDates for the events in Covenant are based around the December 5, 2104 date mentioned on screen.  Walter says they have 7 more recharges over the course over the next 7 years and four months.  This equates to around 11 months travel time between jumps, meaning the Covenant left Earth around January 2104.  Ricks says it's 'a few weeks' to Planet 4, however the number on a blurry and pixelated video screen appears to say '2 weeks'.  Supporting this data is the Covenant novelization saying that Daniels had been in hypersleep for months; not years.  More details regarding the Origins novel cannot be released at this time.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 13, 2017, 09:08:49 PM
Couple of additions to the Astro-Cartography  (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/astro-cartography/)department.

(https://alientimeline.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/lv-223.jpg)

(https://alientimeline.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/planet-4-map.jpg)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 14, 2017, 07:36:15 PM
Was this commissioned by Fox?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 14, 2017, 08:41:08 PM
No.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 14, 2017, 08:54:20 PM
Will they use it anyway?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 14, 2017, 08:59:17 PM
Possibly.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 16, 2017, 12:33:22 AM
Some more pictures what I done.
(https://alientimeline.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/ship-scales.jpg?w=869)
(https://alientimeline.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/smaller-scale.jpg?w=869)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: windebieste on Oct 16, 2017, 01:10:52 AM
Nice.  But the image needs a scale range somewhere.  Say, in 10 meter increments.

Otherwise, it's only meaningful in terms of comparison to each other

Also, I doubt these are correct scale the ships appear in the movie regardless of their dimensions I doubt the Conestoga ships are that size compared to the Covenant or the Nostromo.  Also the Covenant and the Nostromo have 3 decks apiece, that appears to be anomalous in this diagram, too.   

I'd draw the Covenant much bigger and longer.  I guess you're getting the dimensions from 'official' sources; but these look scaled incorrectly.  I would have drawn the Covenant at twice the length of the Conestogas.  ...or maybe scale down the Sulaco and Patna by half, making them the size of the Nostromo. 

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 16, 2017, 02:57:22 AM
I didn't realize the EEV was so much bigger than the APC.  It doesn't appear so in Alien 3.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 16, 2017, 03:01:42 AM
Only about 3-4 metres difference. (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/vehicles/)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: windebieste on Oct 16, 2017, 03:54:28 AM
The Covenant is closer to 700m than 500m.  Possibly longer.  800m, I'd say. 

Based on the size of the lander, which is berthed under the Covenant visible - as is the Lifter - these estimates are conservative:

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: FenGiddel on Oct 16, 2017, 06:19:04 PM


Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2017, 12:33:22 AM
Some more pictures what I done.
You done good... ;D
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 16, 2017, 09:18:54 PM
Cheers, bud.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 17, 2017, 05:40:04 PM
Have you fixed it yet?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Kurai on Oct 17, 2017, 07:04:08 PM
Is this based on the topography of where it was filmed, or put together from what was seen in the film itself? Very cool either way, I love me some maps.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 17, 2017, 07:45:31 PM
Thanks.

One was based Milford Sound and the other based on Wadi Rum.  The Milford Sound one was adapted slightly to more closely match the film.  I was going to do the same for the Wadi Rum one but didn't need to in the end.  I was going to add some taller mountains at the eastern end of the valley, but they were beyond the edge of the map.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 17, 2017, 08:08:47 PM
I meant the pic.  Windy seems to think it's inaccurate.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 17, 2017, 08:14:59 PM
Couldn't be less interested in what Windy seems to think.

It was designed to be 500m long.  If more accurate data presents itself, I'll re-assess it.  Though Graham and his blueprint book may beat me to it considering how slowly I work.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 17, 2017, 08:24:46 PM
Quite?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Dec 28, 2017, 11:16:44 AM
Great big Banned Histories re-write of comics and books and stuff (work in progress). (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/the-banned-histories-pre-history-to-2004/the-banned-histories-comics-novels-and-video-games/)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: FenGiddel on Dec 30, 2017, 04:15:08 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 28, 2017, 11:16:44 AM
Great big Banned Histories re-write of comics and books and stuff (work in progress). (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/the-banned-histories-pre-history-to-2004/the-banned-histories-comics-novels-and-video-games/)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/b9jiOv4wteEz6/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 07, 2018, 12:04:57 AM
New Galactic Map.
(https://alientimeline.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/galmap2018.jpg)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Snipes on Feb 07, 2018, 06:17:57 AM
Interesting information but I found that the overall presentation is a tad "dry". Perhaps ya need to do some formatting with it and make it look like it's something livid rather than the stale complexion it has now. After all, we are dealing with fiction and it's nice to see some abstract detail put into such things. Good luck with it.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 07, 2018, 06:33:43 AM
Such as?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 07, 2018, 08:42:36 AM
Look at poor Thedus all on its own.  :'(

Interesting to see that Origae and Paradise are in a completely different direction to the LV-426. This pleases me.

Thanks SM.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 07, 2018, 10:27:21 AM
Cheers.

Origae and Planet 4 are educated guesses (based on a bunch of things like the Covenant's speed - also educated guess - travel time and Origae orbiting Xi Aurigae).

Next blu ray release should make that canon though.  ;D
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: FenGiddel on Feb 07, 2018, 07:23:08 PM
Umm, SM? I've got Antarctica Traffic Control on the hotline. It seems they're flooded with messages from commercial towing vehicles suddenly off-course because the Z2R apex on the new star map was apparently flipped from the Coreward side to the Rimward. Our astro-techs took a peep at it and sure enough, it is not just a matter of scale on the new map (which is quite fine, btw). Please provide additional data for the navigation computers so that we can get these people home and partying?


(https://thenostromofilesblog.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/nu-and-old-maps.png)

If you don't mind your apex, you can't have any relief!

If you don't mind your apex, you can't have any relief! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5diMImYIIA)


;D




Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 07, 2018, 08:27:43 PM
Oh yeah, I had to change a couple of star positions that were wrong.  The map I was going off only had stars up to 50 light years from Earth and Epsilon Reticuli is 59.  I had to muck around with triangles and other bits and pieces to try and plot an accurate position.  I worked out a while ago that diverting to Z2R was only around 1 light year out of the way.  The old map has them going about 1 and half parsecs out of the way.

Might tweak it a little more.  And I forgot to put the scale on there.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: FenGiddel on Feb 08, 2018, 12:33:34 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 07, 2018, 08:27:43 PM
Oh yeah, I had to change a couple of star positions that were wrong.  The map I was going off only had stars up to 50 light years from Earth and Epsilon Reticuli is 59.  I had to muck around with triangles and other bits and pieces to try and plot an accurate position.  I worked out a while ago that diverting to Z2R was only around 1 light year out of the way.  The old map has them going about 1 and half parsecs out of the way.

Might tweak it a little more.  And I forgot to put the scale on there.
Do you anticipate the shortened detour to affect your timeline estimates at the 2120 (January 7) entry?
And on what do you base changing your mind about the distance?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Snipes on Feb 08, 2018, 02:06:04 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 07, 2018, 06:33:43 AM
Such as?
Your timeline.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 08, 2018, 03:39:02 AM
Quote from: FenGiddel on Feb 08, 2018, 12:33:34 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 07, 2018, 08:27:43 PM
Oh yeah, I had to change a couple of star positions that were wrong.  The map I was going off only had stars up to 50 light years from Earth and Epsilon Reticuli is 59.  I had to muck around with triangles and other bits and pieces to try and plot an accurate position.  I worked out a while ago that diverting to Z2R was only around 1 light year out of the way.  The old map has them going about 1 and half parsecs out of the way.

Might tweak it a little more.  And I forgot to put the scale on there.
Do you anticipate the shortened detour to affect your timeline estimates at the 2120 (January 7) entry?
And on what do you base changing your mind about the distance?

E Reticuli was just too close on the old map.  Even taking out the lack of a Z axis, it was much further away from Earth than I originally plotted.  Even now it's 100% accurate as I couldn't find a map that plotted stars beyond 50ly.  Had to check constellations and make a best estimate.  Might move it a bit more 'west' though.

Quote from: The Snipes on Feb 08, 2018, 02:06:04 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 07, 2018, 06:33:43 AM
Such as?
Your timeline.

Not sure what you mean.  It's first and foremost an information resource.  What abstract detail are you talking about?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Feb 08, 2018, 03:52:29 AM
Rastafy it by 10%
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 08, 2018, 03:53:24 AM
Watchoo mean, Babylon?


Updated.

(https://alientimeline.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/galmap20183.jpg)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Snipes on Feb 09, 2018, 08:55:37 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2018, 03:39:02 AM
Not sure what you mean.  It's first and foremost an information resource.  What abstract detail are you talking about?
I am talking of a template. Make a template that looks abstract and artistic and is relevant to the Alien theme.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 09, 2018, 09:06:31 AM
Oh, right.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 09, 2018, 12:16:32 PM
I think he wants you to make it look like a low-res CRT display.  Like Lambert's navigational computer.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 13, 2018, 12:33:26 AM
I already used the light blue grid based on Lambert's computer.

I also just found an old starmap that I based my original map on and it has some odd discrepancies.  One of which is Thedus, so back to the drawing board...
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Snipes on Feb 13, 2018, 05:32:46 AM
That sucks. Do you use programs beyond photoshop to make these meng?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 13, 2018, 05:50:08 AM
Just Photoshop.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 14, 2018, 07:48:57 AM
Take 3 or 4.
(https://alientimeline.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/galmap20184.jpg)

Thedus now in its correct spot.  Konor Minor and Cetti Epsilon added.  Some minor formatting adjustments.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: FenGiddel on Feb 14, 2018, 03:48:15 PM
Thanks. And a Happy Valentine's Day to you, too, sir!   ;D
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 14, 2018, 10:19:51 PM
Turns out Thedus was pretty much right the first time and I didn't need to change it.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: DerelictShip on Feb 15, 2018, 01:25:14 PM
That is god damn amazing. Thank you for taking the time to do this
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 15, 2018, 11:41:53 PM
You're too kind.  :)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Still Collating... on Feb 16, 2018, 12:12:33 PM
The map is awesome! I love seeing things like this and the CMTM. The world building is one of my favorite parts about the franchise.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: bb-15 on Apr 14, 2018, 10:12:04 PM
SM; Kudos for all your work shown here.
The Astro cartography section is terrific.
https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/astro-cartography/

I'm going to add a very simplified Alien timeline YouTube video from last year done by IGN.
For me it's a nice quick reference.

;)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UG8afS-TNLQ
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Apr 14, 2018, 10:40:53 PM
Thanks.  :)

The IGN video is garbage though.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Apr 15, 2018, 11:14:22 AM
Very nice, only checked out the banned history section to see if even avp was chronicled. (I could understand if it wasn't  :laugh:) Its there alright, just some minor mistakes in spelling/grammer in some places but I'm one to talk, my grammar sucks.  :P
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Apr 15, 2018, 11:24:43 AM
Yeah still got more work to do on AvP (comics and novels).  Really must get on with reading the AvP omnibus.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 16, 2018, 12:15:15 PM
See?  You're already putting in the work.  May as well be getting paid for it.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Samhain13 on Apr 17, 2018, 12:54:53 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 15, 2018, 11:24:43 AM
Yeah still got more work to do on AvP (comics and novels).  Really must get on with reading the AvP omnibus.

Do you mean the new "canon" comics and novels or the old ones? Will you add the new ones to the timeline? Or will you add the events of the old comics and novels to the "The Banned Histories" section?

I remember a older timeline website made probably by you that had the dates from the events of comics like Rogue and Labyrinth, which were the "The Banned Histories" section of that site. Would be interesting to see in which years the EU material would supposedly take place within the alien universe.

Well, great job so far.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Apr 17, 2018, 01:13:20 AM
Cheers.

There's two Banned Histories.  One takes into account the two AvP and three Predator films (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/the-banned-histories-pre-history-to-2004/).

The other is everything - old and new (regardless of contradictions). (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/the-banned-histories-pre-history-to-2004/the-banned-histories-comics-novels-and-video-games/)

I still have to properly research AvP : Prey, AvP : War, AvP : Three World War, AvP: Hunters Planet, AvP: The Web (the novel adaptations mainly), as they're all linked.  And the Rage Wars, which Lebbon dated fairly diligently throughout (other than the first date when Liliya crashes the research ship into Alpha Centauri).  And there's possibly other stuff I've missed.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Samhain13 on Apr 17, 2018, 01:56:43 AM
Oh I missed that one. Now that's the one I wanted to see. Really incredible work.

I'm also making a timeline on the events of the alien-predator universe, not like an official one of course, since it has a lot of EU stuff, its more like my personal canon timeline, just for a hobby, I'm actually enjoying doing it a lot.

I don't go as detailed with the dates as you are, like you even puts the dates of birth from all the characters!

I'm more into detailing the events that happened in the movies, comics/novels and games, more into history rather than the characters. I'm one of those fans that tries to fit the EU I like within my canon, so I was searching for more info on the dates of some comics/novels, well some will end up a little different from yours since I try to place the stories in a way it doesn't contradict itself with other stories that much lol.

I still have lot to do, I kind of stopped over the last years, I had finished detailing the events on AVP2(game) and was starting to add stuff from the last novels I had read at that time, like South China Sea, Sea of Sorrows, the Rage War. Now its going to take a while to research both the old stuff plus the new material that was released since last year and then write everything down.

Well good luck with your research, also I noticed you didn't put many of the games in the Banned Histories, if you ever need any info with the dates and the events that happens in them I can help.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Apr 17, 2018, 02:24:16 AM
Oh, bollocks.  You're right, I have missed a number of games.  2 AvP games, Thanatos Encounter, Aliens Unleashed, Aliens Online off the top of my head.  There was that AvP mobile game too.

Ta for the reminder.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Samhain13 on Apr 17, 2018, 02:44:30 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 17, 2018, 02:24:16 AM
Oh, bollocks.  You're right, I have missed a number of games.  2 AvP games, Thanatos Encounter, Aliens Unleashed, Aliens Online off the top of my head.  There was that AvP mobile game too.

That would be AVP Evolution. The ones I noticed right away that were missing, since I wrote them on mine, were AVP2, AVP2010, AVP extinction and Predator Concrete Jungle. The AVP Requiem psp game like Alien Trilogy and Alien Ressurection is just an alternative version of the movie, so I suppose it's not revelant.

Quote from: SM on Apr 17, 2018, 02:24:16 AM
Ta for the reminder.

You are welcome.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Wweyland on Apr 19, 2018, 08:10:11 PM
It's interesting that if you Google "Alien Timeline", the first page is this:
http://alienanthology.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_Universe_Timeline
It's a horrible and short timeline with many references to Blade Runner that have no place there.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Apr 19, 2018, 08:48:53 PM
Yeah that one is almost entirely wrong.

Vagaries of Google I suppose.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Wweyland on Apr 19, 2018, 09:02:08 PM
You could do some SEO touchups.
For example, your main page meta description is "Sometime in the future..."
Would help if it was longer and contained or started with "Alien Timeline".
The "Alien Timeline" keyword get's Googeled up to 10k times a month and this weird wiki page is getting all the traffic.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Apr 20, 2018, 03:38:20 AM
Yeah, I'm going to look into that.

Cheers.  :)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 20, 2018, 07:20:05 AM
You mean you haven't already had a thousand offers via email to sort out your SEO??!!  :o
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Wweyland on Apr 20, 2018, 09:21:57 AM
Just DIY
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 20, 2018, 09:45:18 AM
Was a spam joke.  :P
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Apr 20, 2018, 10:01:40 AM
As someone who has been responsible for sending out those emails on behalf of clients I apologise :P
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Apr 20, 2018, 10:22:14 AM
I didn't even know what an SEO until Wweyland mentioned it.

Still not entirely sure.  I just put some meta tags in the HTML.

Been a while since Geocities.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 20, 2018, 10:34:24 AM
And yet somehow Fox still keeps finding it.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Apr 20, 2018, 10:41:35 AM
I keep telling them.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Apr 22, 2018, 02:15:55 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Apr 19, 2018, 08:10:11 PM
It's interesting that if you Google "Alien Timeline", the first page is this:
http://alienanthology.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_Universe_Timeline
It's a horrible and short timeline with many references to Blade Runner that have no place there.

Don't get me started on that wiki  :laugh: while I can respect someone for only making a wiki about the Alien franchise rather than the AVP, (and even understand it, since not everyone likes AVP) they sadly tend to be plagiarists. Me and Leigh has had to visit that wiki to tell them to stop stealing our pages.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jul 25, 2018, 11:24:49 AM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFqJC2ty8yE&t=1s



Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 25, 2018, 11:54:10 AM
Very nice but the presumed dead parts is interesting given the atmosphere processor explosion  ;D
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jul 25, 2018, 12:14:49 PM
Hudson rescued them and they drove away in one of them tractors.

;D
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 25, 2018, 11:54:47 PM
Hudson and Co then waited around for rescue until they had to resort to canabalism
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2018, 03:25:16 AM
Those videos are overwhelmingly mysterious.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Wweyland on Jul 26, 2018, 09:05:37 AM
Nice channel. Can we expect a voiceover in future videos?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2018, 12:04:42 PM
Any voiceover would drive a mortal being insane.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 26, 2018, 12:10:30 PM
What are you talking about? of course there is a voice over....its just too incomprehensive for mortal ears, all you are capable of hearing from the voice is computer beeps  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2018, 12:16:19 PM
Does it sound like the space jockey's beacon?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 26, 2018, 12:34:34 PM
Like an old computer  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jul 26, 2018, 08:27:45 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Jul 26, 2018, 09:05:37 AM
Nice channel. Can we expect a voiceover in future videos?

Probably.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2018, 10:38:12 PM
You should get Lance Henriksen to narrate.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jul 26, 2018, 11:23:10 PM
I'm waiting to hear back from Reiser's agent first.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Jul 27, 2018, 02:44:55 AM
Man I'd be down for helping you make these if I had time enough to even wipe my own backside at the moment.

...I will in mid-September when I finish the short I'm working on, though.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Huggs on Jul 27, 2018, 03:02:56 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 27, 2018, 02:44:55 AM
Man I'd be down for helping you make these if I had time enough to even wipe my own backside at the moment.

Good Heavens! Do mankind a solid, and make time for wiping.  :D

Seriously, it's summertime, and the waterslides are alot less fun when people forget that sort of thing.  ;)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jul 27, 2018, 03:05:48 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 27, 2018, 02:44:55 AM
Man I'd be down for helping you make these if I had time enough to even wipe my own backside at the moment.

...I will in mid-September when I finish the short I'm working on, though.

I almost got onto you last weekend doing Spot the Prisoner as it's a higher quality than the other ones and I didn't have a clue how to get a decent resolution video out of Premiere that wasn't 80gb for 10 minutes.  Finally worked it out at around 4gb.

The ones I've done so far are very, very basic and three more are effectively 'in the can' (just need the beeps added).

Toying with doing AvP ones.  Maybe.

Another short series I've recorded the audio for, but I have to double check the quality and performance as it was recorded ages ago.  I was going to use video clips from the films to accompany it, but having an awful time getting usable video in Premiere.  I've ripped the DVDs but can't manage to convert them to a workable format that's the right size.  Still mucking about with it and might have to resort to using stills instead.

Also wrote a stack of critiques of the old comics years ago that would work as 5-10 minute videos - but not real keen to bite that hand at this juncture.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 27, 2018, 03:45:28 AM
These videos are all canon, of course.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 27, 2018, 07:07:28 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 27, 2018, 03:05:48 AM
Another short series I've recorded the audio for, but I have to double check the quality and performance as it was recorded ages ago.  I was going to use video clips from the films to accompany it, but having an awful time getting usable video in Premiere.  I've ripped the DVDs but can't manage to convert them to a workable format that's the right size.  Still mucking about with it and might have to resort to using stills instead.

I've been using Handbrake and it's pretty good so far.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jul 27, 2018, 10:47:29 AM
Yeah I tried Handbrake and can't manage get the resolution right along with a format that's editable in Premiere.  I'll have another crack on the weekend.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Jul 27, 2018, 12:21:12 PM
QuoteI almost got onto you last weekend doing Spot the Prisoner as it's a higher quality than the other ones and I didn't have a clue how to get a decent resolution video out of Premiere that wasn't 80gb for 10 minutes.  Finally worked it out at around 4gb.
Sheesh! H.264 is your friend, that thing should've only been around 800mb for high bitrate and 300mb for medium bitrate.

I had the films in a Premiere-friendly format but removed them for storage space. Let me know how you go with it, otherwise I should be able to repeat the steps I did last time.

Of course, Premiere-friendly format also depends on the computer you're using. Mac or PC?

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jul 27, 2018, 10:19:05 PM
PC.  Premiere CS3.  I got a version out of Handbrake that would open in Premiere, but it was half the resolution I needed.  And now I'm not sure if Premiere project settings were right.

I'm not in a hurry though as the stuff I'm working on is deliberately low-res.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Jul 27, 2018, 10:24:42 PM
If it was from DVD the resolution would've only been around 720x576, which is hella tiny. It's not even half of 1280*720's resolution.

We need to get some blu ray files going.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 28, 2018, 05:35:53 PM
You'll want MakeMKV in that case.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Nostromo on Jul 30, 2018, 01:46:12 AM
Nice work yo.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 02, 2019, 11:40:00 PM
New vid:


And some ones I pimped on Alien Day last week:


Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: FenGiddel on May 02, 2019, 11:52:51 PM
Jolly good!   8)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on May 03, 2019, 01:55:28 AM
How many subscribers would you need to do this full time?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 03, 2019, 02:36:01 AM
42 million.

Minus payload.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on May 03, 2019, 02:50:30 AM
That shouldn't take long once word gets out about this.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 03, 2019, 06:04:13 AM
Gotta get that channel and trailer/featured video up too!

Are you featuring these on the website as well?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 03, 2019, 06:40:07 AM
As soon as I get round to it.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on May 03, 2019, 10:11:30 AM
Quote from: SM on May 02, 2019, 11:40:00 PM
New vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DilpQZ9K5Y0

And some ones I pimped on Alien Day last week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_LKDf1Z2GI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIxo1VFSc_0

I always just considered that the creature was acting as a seal when it melted through his helmet, also it is worth noting that Kane is sweating profusely, meaning his body temperature was high, likely due his body trying to fight off what the hugger was doing to him.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 11, 2019, 03:04:29 AM
Parte the second of the thing.

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: FenGiddel on May 11, 2019, 02:45:10 PM
Good show!
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on May 11, 2019, 03:47:04 PM
Very enjoyable stuff!
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 17, 2019, 04:54:21 AM
Thanks.  Have another.

Short one this week.

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 17, 2019, 06:59:29 AM
No-one ever talks about that chicken! I swear it looks like a chicken embryo!
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 17, 2019, 07:28:52 AM
Prolly tastes like it an all.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 17, 2019, 07:52:26 AM
Have you ever come across any of the crew talking about it?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 17, 2019, 11:55:49 AM
Not that I can recall.

CdL or Valaquen might know.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on May 18, 2019, 12:14:31 AM
Great stuff, really liking these. I can't wait for more.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on May 18, 2019, 03:10:13 AM
I never knew SM was a silicon denier.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 18, 2019, 04:27:40 AM
It's just an idea without merit that some have taken to silly extremes.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on May 18, 2019, 04:41:35 AM
You're challenging my assumptions and I'm experiencing cognitive dissonance.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 18, 2019, 04:55:08 AM
How do you feel about that?
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/b/b1/Mason_Wren.png/revision/latest?cb=20130413142101)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Huggs on May 18, 2019, 05:21:37 AM
Quote from: SM on May 02, 2019, 11:40:00 PM
New vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DilpQZ9K5Y0

And some ones I pimped on Alien Day last week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_LKDf1Z2GI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIxo1VFSc_0

This is solid work.

Well done.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on May 18, 2019, 05:24:37 AM
Quote from: SM on May 18, 2019, 04:55:08 AM
How do you feel about that?
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/b/b1/Mason_Wren.png/revision/latest?cb=20130413142101

I can't tell if you're just gaslighting me or if reality is collapsing in on itself.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 18, 2019, 07:17:47 AM
The former I suspect.

Quote from: 426Buddy on May 18, 2019, 12:14:31 AM
Great stuff, really liking these. I can't wait for more.

Thanks, man!
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on May 18, 2019, 07:30:17 PM
Any particular reason you chose the Alien 3 sound effects for the text instead of the original's?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 18, 2019, 11:18:59 PM
I had the sample from the workprint handy and had used it in previous videos.

Everyone uses the original sound effect.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on May 19, 2019, 01:48:47 AM
I approve and would like to see more.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Huggs on May 19, 2019, 02:29:31 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 19, 2019, 01:48:47 AM
I approve and would like to see more.

That's what she said.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on May 19, 2019, 02:36:59 AM
His videos could use more Aussie slang though.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Huggs on May 19, 2019, 03:01:00 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 19, 2019, 02:36:59 AM
His videos could use more Aussie slang though.

You bladdy roo.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 19, 2019, 04:47:51 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 19, 2019, 02:36:59 AM
His videos could use more Aussie slang though.

If ever get around to doing the comic retrospective I wrote some years ago, I could probably swing that.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on May 19, 2019, 05:03:34 AM
Would that include DotS?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Still Collating... on May 19, 2019, 03:44:14 PM
Another awesome video, keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 19, 2019, 08:31:40 PM
Thanks.  :)

Quote from: Local Trouble on May 19, 2019, 05:03:34 AM
Would that include DotS?

Eventually.  I never got round to writing the script for that one, but I read it again for something I was working on Fox a couple of years back.  It's exceedingly difficult to summarise a story that doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on May 19, 2019, 11:36:05 PM
I also eagerly await your video analysis of Earth War (and its art).
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 19, 2019, 11:39:11 PM
That one was a little ugly.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on May 19, 2019, 11:43:47 PM
Hence my anticipation.  ;D
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 23, 2019, 10:08:45 PM
Parte the Thirde

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on May 24, 2019, 04:18:12 AM
Nice work.  Are you bracing yourself for the comments about your references to Junior's and Golic's off-screen fates?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 24, 2019, 05:10:34 AM
No.

In the first video I said I was only doing the Theatrical.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on May 31, 2019, 06:40:06 AM
Another short one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEmeI4iIYSM&t=4s
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on May 31, 2019, 07:27:36 AM
I always wondered why Ash reacted as if he felt something when he was poking around with that gizmo right before the facehugger fell on Ripley.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 01, 2019, 01:24:01 PM
Loving all these videos. Perfect to have playing while having a beer and prepping dinner. Made a nice ending to a long work day, thanks SM.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jun 01, 2019, 09:45:00 PM
They'll get a bit longer from here on so you won't have to neck the beer so fast.  ;D
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 01, 2019, 10:51:41 PM
Yeah i played this one then when it ended so quick i just started from the first video. Went through them all again ;D

Had time for 2 beers   ;)

Really been enjoying these and the AvPGalaxy videos
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jun 17, 2019, 10:17:05 PM
Final of series one of The Heroine's Journey


Complete Encounters 1-5
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 17, 2019, 10:32:36 PM
F*ckin A, can't wait to check these out.


Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Still Collating... on Jun 18, 2019, 11:33:20 AM
Nice! Another couple of awesome videos.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jun 23, 2019, 05:56:39 AM
Next!


Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Nostromo on Jun 23, 2019, 01:46:47 PM
You made these SM? Son of a gun.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jul 02, 2019, 11:05:28 PM
Another one bites the dust.



Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 05, 2019, 12:43:33 AM
Enjoyable as always, thanks!
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 08, 2019, 08:51:01 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 23, 2019, 05:56:39 AM
Next!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Gis2BbYIE

You know, I think I could get on with the idea of the Aliens using their resin like a spider-web here.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 08, 2019, 05:29:07 PM
It would make sense how they keep on dropping onto people from the ceiling and pulling them up again. And we'd have a function for those back tubes...
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2019, 06:44:51 AM
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 06, 2019, 11:29:45 PM
Fantastic, but they need to be longer so I have time to finish my beer. ;D
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Aug 07, 2019, 03:48:21 AM
They always seem much longer when I'm writing and recording - once I cut all the pauses and flubbed lines though it's "Geez only 2 minutes???"
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Aug 07, 2019, 12:47:53 PM
ADF had the Alien try to squeeze both into the vent, and judging by the suit hooks I'm guessing that's what Lambert actually ended up on.

I figured the Alien didn't abduct them because by that point it had everything it needed in its lair (eggs in the DC, food in the TC I guess?) and was just clearing house.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Aug 08, 2019, 01:30:37 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if the suits hooks were involved but looking at the scene again I've just noticed something.  All this time I thought the dangly foot shot was Ripley's POV - but it isn't.  The pan up past Parker and Lambert's foot should have Ripley in the background at the door.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2019, 10:47:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WBBXdeETuU&list=PL-Vr3eJT807N3ZvgrrObD-dC-UJ2Rbvbm&index=9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq6xloDHmJg&list=PL-Vr3eJT807N3ZvgrrObD-dC-UJ2Rbvbm&index=10


Rather late, but the final two parts uploaded to complete the Complete Record of Alien Encounters (series 1)

(Full playlist (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-Vr3eJT807N3ZvgrrObD-dC-UJ2Rbvbm))
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jan 05, 2020, 11:43:58 PM


Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Still Collating... on Jan 07, 2020, 01:21:45 PM
Seeing this done with the AVPs was a bit unexpected but fun. Enjoyed it SM, never looked at those movies through that lens.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2020, 05:07:55 PM
Interesting, I think you deserve a drink for making it through Requiem.
Just to let you know though, Morales actually says he has seeing too much of Ricky. I should be ashamed to know details of that movie but one must make sacrifices for the good of a wikia  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2020, 08:01:17 PM
Guess I misheard that line.  It sounds like Eddie says "Actually I haven't been seeing him too much".

Oh well, can't be arsed fixing it.  Might make a note in the description, but it doesn't make any significant difference to the character.

These two were really a struggle.  There was a couple of interesting nuggets, but both those movies were dreadfully dull to study and visually pretty naff.  When I was doing the other flicks, freeze framing always reveals some cool shot that you can use as a still.  These two though, the quality was often grainier, and there's so much movement it's hard to get stills that aren't blurred.  Then you have the darkness in AvP:R to contend with.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2020, 09:05:51 PM
Yeah, even on blu ray you can barely see anything. I subscribed to your channel as well, may as well do something useful with the xenopedia channel while it is waiting for actual content  :P

You can still get the odd good shot from the first film, but yeah that one is grainy. I wonder if any of them are going to get the 4k treatment.
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Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2020, 11:04:27 PM
Unless 4K becomes a standard I'm not sure if they'd bother with these 2 flicks.  Though a 4K update might make AvP:R - not watchable, but perhaps visible.

Thanks for the sub.  :)
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 07, 2020, 11:13:14 PM
I'm surprised you even arsed with the AvP movies.  I didn't catch your trademark reference to the predalien though.
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Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2020, 11:17:41 PM
It was written from a critically neutral stance.

That said, I had to stop myself saying it while I was recording.
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Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 07, 2020, 11:33:43 PM
Yeah I was surprised to see you do the AvP's as well, great job as usual though. :)

Especially Requiem as I knew that had to be painful to study.
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Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2020, 11:40:37 PM
It wasn't so bad writing it, as it ended up being really short.  But I really didn't think it would be such a chore trawling through the film for good stills.  Kind of ironic that a movie was so visually mediocre when it's made by visual effects artists.  Considering Fincher also started in VFX, it's like polar opposites.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 07, 2020, 11:47:00 PM
Can't wait for Caryn Delacroix's journey.
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Post by: SM on Jan 08, 2020, 12:08:11 AM
sigh
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 08, 2020, 08:08:13 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 07, 2020, 11:04:27 PM
Unless 4K becomes a standard I'm not sure if they'd bother with these 2 flicks.  Though a 4K update might make AvP:R - not watchable, but perhaps visible.

It'd just be nice if this mythical second transfer of the film that was apparently sent to the other coast was discovered and they re-released it with the better colour grading.

Like everyone else, I'm surprised by the AvP coverage, but as always still enjoyed it. Thanks as always.
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Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2020, 02:47:59 AM
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Apr 12, 2020, 04:53:48 AM

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Post by: Still Collating... on Apr 12, 2020, 11:23:20 AM
Now this was such a good series, thanks for the journey SM!
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Post by: SM on Apr 12, 2020, 11:52:16 AM
Thank you for watching.  :)
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Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 12, 2020, 04:42:32 PM
I enjoyed them all immensely! Really enjoyed this episode as well, nice solid length too! enough time to drink a cup of coffee.

Thank you SM!
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Post by: razeak on Apr 13, 2020, 10:54:05 PM
added to my to do list for tonight. Thanks for taking the time to put those together. You don't sound like I thought you would lol. I always imagined Paul Hogan hahahaha.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 14, 2020, 07:55:28 AM
And now I want to watch Covenant again. Thanks for the videos, SM! Loved this look at the films.
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Post by: Kradan on Apr 14, 2020, 07:34:29 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 14, 2020, 07:55:28 AM
And now I want to watch Covenant again. Thanks for the videos, SM! Loved this look at the films.

Always a good thing to do. Seriously, this movie has grown tremendously on me since its release. JM Praiter, eat your heart out !
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Post by: SM on Apr 14, 2020, 11:17:03 PM
Thanks all for the kind words.

One thing I noticed when doing screencaps of Covenant was the shot when they arrive in the city.  Rosenthal, Lope, Oram and Daniels are all facing us and David has his back to us.  Walter and Cole are out of frame.  It occurred to me that all four facing us in the shot had lost their significant other (Ankor, Hallett, Karine, Jacob).
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Post by: Still Collating... on Apr 15, 2020, 09:35:24 AM
Nice find, didn't notice that either.
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Post by: SM on Apr 17, 2020, 12:57:46 PM
Some home isolation bingeing...





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEwMJUgJsAg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEPUl4Y6xjw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQaFWxFIxcc

The other twenty three hours, fifty three and a half minutes of the day is your own.
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Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 17, 2020, 05:36:24 PM
 Delicious, thank you for these!
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Post by: Janek on Apr 18, 2020, 11:26:57 PM
Only discovered this now and its fantastic. Thank you SM!

Alien: Covenant really was a decent enough movie, could Katherine Waterston carry a sequel though? Im not sold.
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Post by: SM on Apr 18, 2020, 11:38:04 PM
I think the actress could, but she needs more to do.  Oram and Walter stole a lot of the focus in Covenant.
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Post by: Janek on Apr 18, 2020, 11:53:55 PM
Yeah she would need to be put centre stage. If a sequel to Covenant will ever be green lit who knows what they will do, we might not see Katherine Waterston in it at all.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 19, 2020, 12:17:19 AM
Quote from: Janek on Apr 18, 2020, 11:53:55 PM
Yeah she would need to be put centre stage. If a sequel to Covenant will ever be green lit who knows what they will do, we might not see Katherine Waterston in it at all.

She is a talented actress and capable of deliver a solid female character with the right direction. However, unlike the Alien tetralogy where Ripley is the absolute protagonist in each movie, David is the closest thing to a Ripley, despite being a villain and not a hero.  But the interesting thing about it is that we're looking at the villain's journey rather than the heroine's journey of the original. I mean in Alien, Ripley becomes a survivor to eveltually evolves into a warrior in Aliens. David is also a "survivor" at the end of the first chapter of his journey. His personality traits are ambiguous making him to look like an antihero. He evolves into the absolute villain in the sequel, despite Scott using references from John Milton's Paradise Lost where Lucifer is a tragic figure revealing himself against a heavenly monarchy. The android seems to be losing his mind though.  :P
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Janek on Apr 20, 2020, 10:36:40 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 19, 2020, 12:17:19 AM
Quote from: Janek on Apr 18, 2020, 11:53:55 PM
Yeah she would need to be put centre stage. If a sequel to Covenant will ever be green lit who knows what they will do, we might not see Katherine Waterston in it at all.

She is a talented actress and capable of deliver a solid female character with the right direction. However, unlike the Alien tetralogy where Ripley is the absolute protagonist in each movie, David is the closest thing to a Ripley, despite being a villain and not a hero.  But the interesting thing about it is that we're looking at the villain's journey rather than the heroine's journey of the original. I mean in Alien, Ripley becomes a survivor to eveltually evolves into a warrior in Aliens. David is also a "survivor" at the end of the first chapter of his journey. His personality traits are ambiguous making him to look like an antihero. He evolves into the absolute villain in the sequel, despite Scott using references from John Milton's Paradise Lost where Lucifer is a tragic figure revealing himself against a heavenly monarchy. The android seems to be losing his mind though.  :P

Interesting, I never thought of it like this, gives a cool perspective on things. :) Really hope we will see them close the prequel series with one more film because Covenant finished on such a cliffhanger!
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Post by: SM on Apr 26, 2020, 03:13:11 AM
Five more episodes of The Complete Record of Alien Encounters.

Happy Alien Day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umHXBZhhkww&list=PL-Vr3eJT807PSJnZvQwObBVongmr9qE1l&index=7&t=0s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrIujscEwhM&list=PL-Vr3eJT807PSJnZvQwObBVongmr9qE1l&index=8&t=0s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRESve28yHc&list=PL-Vr3eJT807PSJnZvQwObBVongmr9qE1l&index=9&t=0s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_7OOPCChGQ&list=PL-Vr3eJT807PSJnZvQwObBVongmr9qE1l&index=10&t=0s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htIaX7YPos4&list=PL-Vr3eJT807PSJnZvQwObBVongmr9qE1l&index=11&t=0s
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Post by: SM on Jun 08, 2020, 01:30:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOoWMECttoA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1kyxwAmROE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgD0BuJaqj0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=907u-VcgveQ
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Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 08, 2020, 03:34:04 AM
Sweet! Thank you! :)
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Post by: SM on Jun 08, 2020, 04:22:31 AM
You're very welcome.
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Post by: SiL on Jun 09, 2020, 12:17:26 AM
I never actually noticed the Alien in the corridor on the sentry gun monitor in that scene. The Aliens exploding are all taken from the hive so I just assumed they never actually filmed Aliens in that corridor.
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Post by: SM on Jun 09, 2020, 12:21:48 AM
I noticed it a long time ago when I first wrote what became these videos, but that was on VHS I think.  I was surprised at how much clearer it was on Blu-Ray.  It's only a handful of frames, but much more visible than single frame I caught on video.  It's hard to tell if it's been shot or is ducking for cover to the right of the corridor.

And not for the first time have marvelled at the amount of detail Cameron went into - and then found a less-than-one-second continuity error when Hudson and Vasquez test the guns.
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Post by: SiL on Jun 09, 2020, 12:59:37 AM
It kind'a looks like it gets shot in the head and falls over dead.

Interesting how many shots are fired to bring it down, and how few are anywhere near the target. Spray and pray eat your heart out.
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Post by: SM on Jun 09, 2020, 02:13:00 AM
Yeah I wonder if they small explosives or just lights.  Looks like mostly the latter, but there's at least one set of sparks that could be an explosive.
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Post by: Kradan on Jun 09, 2020, 06:16:54 AM
You have very relaxing voice
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2020, 08:03:32 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 09, 2020, 12:17:26 AM
I never actually noticed the Alien in the corridor on the sentry gun monitor in that scene. The Aliens exploding are all taken from the hive so I just assumed they never actually filmed Aliens in that corridor.

I don't think I'd ever noticed that either! That's awesome. I've caught up on this series of Encounters. I'd never noticed that Vasquez never completely blew apart the Alien that attacked Drake either. Thanks as always for these, SM!
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jul 27, 2020, 02:50:13 AM
Recent timeline updates.

Prototype (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/2127-2179/prototype/)
Resistance & Rescue (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/2127-2179/resistance-rescue/)
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Post by: SM on Sep 04, 2020, 08:28:15 AM
Echo (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/2127-2179/echo/)
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Post by: SpaceKase on Sep 04, 2020, 04:09:58 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 04, 2020, 08:28:15 AM
Echo (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/2127-2179/echo/)

Huh. So much for "the formative years of the colonial marines", although I suppose that's a pretty generic and relative term. I guess we'll see what, if anything, ever comes about from Cold Iron regarding our Olivia. Thanks for the updates!
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Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2020, 06:45:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u01lK43xKdQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz4YCmYf6d0&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT3k51MRrRI
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Post by: Nukiemorph on Sep 10, 2020, 11:07:07 PM
So can I ask how you concluded that Echo takes place in 2172?

I was trying to pin it down myself but I also got hung up on the Rising Threat "formative years" thing, so I had Echo lingering somewhere pre-2137.
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Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2020, 11:32:11 PM
Internal Fox documents determined 2172 for Echo and Rising Threat included a legend that said it happened in 2177 when Olive would been about 22.
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Post by: Nukiemorph on Sep 11, 2020, 03:47:53 AM
Awesome. Glad to finally snap that puzzle piece into place.  :D
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Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2020, 08:21:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-p1moy3KNk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTihIN1r0wo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM6GFiNWVAU
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Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 12, 2020, 10:51:45 AM
Sweet! Feels like Christmas lol

These are always enjoyable, thanks SM!
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Post by: SM on Sep 13, 2020, 09:35:17 AM
Cheers Bud.  :)

Here's some for Boxing Day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeTO9lfWsmM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xZyba6tl7k
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Post by: SM on Nov 19, 2020, 09:17:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTW2IOhT6uE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0SL68J4bxM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQALAKi1Ank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwnCFCPKzwo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AimpMXSkyUY
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Post by: 426Buddy on Nov 19, 2020, 09:40:53 PM
Sweet! Something to take my mind off of the horrors of 2020!

Thanks SM! Will be enjoying these with a beer when I get home.
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Post by: 426Buddy on Nov 21, 2020, 12:42:18 AM
Just finished, excellent as always  :)

(https://i.imgur.com/VMKHJTs.jpg)
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Post by: SM on Nov 21, 2020, 03:29:49 AM
 :D

A man of his word.

Muchas gracias.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 21, 2020, 09:26:02 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 21, 2020, 12:42:18 AM
Just finished, excellent as always  :)

(https://i.imgur.com/VMKHJTs.jpg)

I hope that's a Foster's.
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Post by: 426Buddy on Nov 21, 2020, 11:45:43 PM
Budweiser ;D

I've never had a Foster's actually.
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Post by: SM on Nov 21, 2020, 11:51:49 PM
Good lad.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 23, 2020, 09:03:57 AM
Tastes like piss. Try some Asahi. I don't touch anything else now.

Thanks, as always, for sharing these SM. Really enjoy them.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Nov 23, 2020, 11:50:51 PM
I don't think Asahi is available here lol

I looked it up, Japanese beer eh? :)
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Post by: SM on Nov 24, 2020, 01:42:30 AM
Yeah not a bad drop.
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Post by: SM on Feb 13, 2023, 07:20:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykl10bWumQI
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Post by: Kradan on Feb 13, 2023, 08:06:17 AM
@Local Trouble
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Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 13, 2023, 07:54:49 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 13, 2023, 07:20:51 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykl10bWumQI

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/oCIP0F9ySAGxb0jaGr/giphy.gif)
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 14, 2023, 01:06:14 AM
Well-presented misinformation at best.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 14, 2023, 03:15:10 AM
 :o
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Post by: SiL on Feb 14, 2023, 03:48:29 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 14, 2023, 01:06:14 AMWell-presented misinformation at best.
Please point out the lies.
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Post by: Wweyland on Feb 16, 2023, 11:21:57 PM
Good and entertaining video
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 17, 2023, 12:43:51 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 11, 2014, 12:03:29 AMSM's doing the Lord's work in this thread.  No one will ever successfully argue that Alien 3 AC was a better film on his watch.  :D
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 22, 2023, 08:47:48 PM
Disagreement and dismissal I expected.
Being called a liar less so.

For your viewing pleasure, some more lies probably.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lQPd2vwh6chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weTNu5OqLvAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvUs_61r3I4
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Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 22, 2023, 09:20:55 PM
@Kradan ^
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 22, 2023, 09:49:08 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 14, 2023, 03:48:29 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 14, 2023, 01:06:14 AMWell-presented misinformation at best.
Please point out the lies.

(https://i.imgur.com/fL0Yojy.jpg)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 22, 2023, 10:31:12 PM
A former poster once elaborated...

Quote from: The Old One on Jan 06, 2019, 09:18:04 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 06, 2019, 08:28:45 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 06, 2019, 07:27:12 AMNo, I believe the AC is genuinely superior for a number of reasons-

I want a comprehensive list.


Seeing Clemens walk alone, immediately establishes him as a loner to the audience-
even amongst "his own people" -the imagery of Ripley covered in oil and insects also;
immediately defines both the idea that nothing is sacred here and she's covered in insects.
It's beautiful cinematography. Beautiful location establishment. Heroic.

Seeing Andrews type reflected in the monitor both establishes him as an authority figure
and the overseer before he utters a word.
The ADR works better here with the overhead shot of the EEV,
because now it makes sense that what
Frank says sounds like it's coming from a distance;
rather than the camera being right up in his face.

(I know the EEV is upside down in this shot, but I'm going to say it doesn't matter
as it's honestly hard to tell each side from the other as they lack many defining features,
 especially when covered in debris.)

As for the rest of the opening, I just like it better because it's kinder to Newt-
it means that we're on the same page regarding Newt with Ripley because
Clemens could be telling the truth about her drowning in her cryotube unawares.
(Additionally, personally: I prefer to think he is.)
(The shots of Bishop and Hicks are rad too.)

The message confirmation- (I don't think it's in the theatrical release)
is a minor detail that establishes that these aren't just the facility's
private records but that a link with a company or government exists.

No "Who would do this to a dog?"
Almost tongue-in cheek line.
Otherwise I must conclude the dog version's superior-
if only for the shot of the dog barking at the Facehugger.
(And the fact the opening shows a regular Facehugger
on REDACTED's face, it's simpler to conclude that there
are two stowaway Facehuggers. With the Egg shot omitted.)


"Was she your Daughter?"

"No."

I think is also particularly poignant and worth keeping,
because it adds the additional layer of the idea-
that not only is Ripley grieving but she isn't entitled to her grief;
which makes sense in the following scene when Kevin asks
"What is she doing?" Because Ripley's behaviour is strange
if she was Newt's mother, but now additionally so to Clemens
as he is aware she's not in-fact her mother.
Which adds another layer to their interactions and 
Clemens' reluctance in the autopsy.

In this version where Golic has a pivotal role to play;
The scene between Rains, Boggs, Golic and Dillon is important.
Not for Rains and Boggs' sake, although this scene certainly
gives you better insight into their personalities through their
excellent naturalistic performances- but for Dillon and Golic.
It establishes for the latter two a relationship, despite
the fact Dillon is clearly the leader- Golic makes people
uneasy to the point they both openly question his sanity.
Dillon defends Golic, even patting him on the shoulder
as he leaves. This is setup for Golic's "arc" in the story,
importantly it also establishes Dillon's care for Golic so
the "He's never lied to me! He's crazy, he's a fool but he's not a liar!"
doesn't come out of nowhere.

 "As I thought, Mr. Aaron. As I thought."  "You called it, sir."
Not immensely important, but good for character.

"Why we're waiting for God to return- and raise his servants to redemption."
I think this and it's musical cue is particularly important, because
it's prefaced with "What are you waiting for?" Ripley's used to rape and death-
by this point, but Dillon shows that's not all he is.
(I'd sound pretentious if I rambled on any longer about this conversation,
suffice to say; I think it highlights the themes of the film in an important way.)

"I've been out here a long time."
"So have I."
Reciprocation people, important for any relationship.  ;D

"I think you owe me an answer. Being in my bed's got nothing to do with it."
Further establishes Clemens as a good, decent person- and intelligent.
Which is good because it means his demise has extra sting.
For both Ripley and the audience.
This is someone she could've opened up to and the moment she dies-
or is about to "You first." The Alien takes that from her, like it takes everything.

"Light a candle for Murphy."
Murphy being good to Golic is a nice little additional detail that adds to his estrangement.

"You screw with me one more time I'll cut you in half."
This is an interesting addition, not for the above quoted line as that's in both versions-
But for the idea that Andrews doesn't want Aaron to see the dissention in the ranks.
Or for the prisoners to know that the relationship between Clemens and Andrews is tepid at best.
Further reinforcing "I don't want ripples in the water." Not for anyone's safety but his own.
Not including Aaron in on the conversation is an indication of why Aaron has the warped view
of Andrews as a good man that he does, when to me this calls into question Andrew's trustworthiness.

"She told me she was part of a combat unit that came to grief, beyond that I assume it's all classified. I haven't pressed her for more."
It's cool that the events of Aliens are both acknowledged and an indication of some real trust Ripley has with Clemens.
Or trust issues depending upon what way you interpret that. (Maybe I just like the line on this one lol.)

"CIGARETTES!"
(Setup)

Eric dropping the plates, sets up that he's prone to break down under pressure-
just like he does when he sets the piston off prematurely later on.
I also like, just personally that Golic is found doing something mundane.
It echoes a serial killer's derangement of treating their acts as though it were any other day.

The tension is much, much superior with the extended version of the Dragon sneaking up
on Clemens and Ripley, with Golic squirming in fear.

"Magnificent." (This is a good, short homage to "Perfect Organism" IMO-
Showing that awe has completely overthrown fear in Golic's mind.)

The shot of the inside of the vent, covered in blood-
whilist Jude mops up is not only a fantastic shot but
is a direct through line to much of the cinematography
and language of the film. The prisoners, the humans-
generally are always filmed from below.
Yet Ripley and the Alien fall from the sky,
with the first three times (Boggs and Rains) Golic,
the Clemens, then Andrews- the Alien descends
from above, from above the dirty existence of the prisoners.

The film's visual language is strengthened by this shot.
And it leads perfectly into what's literally being said;
"The apocalypse is upon us! Let us be ready!
Let your mercy be just!"

"Sounds good to me."
Morse is blaming Ripley, and I think this is good insight
on her state of mind because it shows that maybe she
does blame herself, for the deaths of everyone she couldn't save.
In this way "Morse... Why don't you shut the f**k up?"
Has more poignancy because IMO- he's not just speaking to Morse-
but also Ripley, mirroring later on when Ripley wants to die
but Dillon refuses to let her, because unless both Aliens are dead;
her sacrifice would be totally in vain and bullshit-
then it's more suicide than sacrifice.

Arthur and Troy checking through batteries.
"Nothing much works here!"
"No video surveillance, no f**king ice-cream!"
(I imagine this is one of the repetitions SM refers to but, I must say;
show don't tell is a rule of film and this scene shows.)

The extra footage of the quinitricetyline plan makes sense,
because in this version it actually has a payoff.

More Dillon caring for Ripley in this version, that's good-
not only does it reinforce the relationship between them
and endear us to Dillon but it's a nice little hint at the "reveal."

Visually there's a fantastic addition in that Ripley
helps two of the inmates that attempted to rape her,
Junior whom we can distinguish from his teardrop tattoo
most importantly, sees Ripley doing something for her fellow
man regardless of what happened earlier.
This with guilt, obviously inspires him to take the action he does
and give his life for those of his fellow man.


"Oh Jesus, this makes ten."
Is removed and rightfully so,
I don't believe Dillon would say this
 even if the operation was a failure.

The speech honouring them is much more fitting.
For Dillon's character and the bittersweet note
that this sequence ends on.

It's also worth noting that the conversation here
where Aaron doesn't believe in or respect the beliefs
of the prisoners, and Aaron leaving the prisoner
he was with to burn- is part of Aaron's arc
that leads him from "A Company man" to hitting
Michael Bishop over the back of the head with a wrench.

As well as the W-Y transmission's introduction
as foremost the new main problem.
"Permission denied."
Importantly confirms W-Y's intentions to the audience
and the characters.


"No more cigarettes for you."
(CIGARETTES payoff.)
The influence of the Alien,
has completely overthrown Golic's reason at this point,
the film even infers this visually with a reference to a horror classic;
Bela Lugosi's Dracula as Golic's eyes are highlighted before he's dispatched.
f**king fantastic.

"Dillon we've got a teeny weeny problem..."

Then importantly:
Morse's failure to contain Golic is addressed-
as it logically would be.
"Well, I'm out of ideas!"
With Ripley's "morning sickness" cropping up
one final time, third time's the charm.

Ripley disappears, disillusioned-
She finds out about the Queen.

Our heroes are now at their lowest point.
(Which wouldn't have happened had sacrifices not been made
and the creature not been captured in the first place.)
Not only has Ripley lost everyone close to her,
the Alien is loose again and there's two ticking time bombs-
W-Y and the one inside her chest.

Morse's epiphany;
When he remembers the Alien is afraid of fire.
Let's make it to the furnace.
I believe this is important because it's as The Fifth Element would say;
A little light of life, it's a moment of hope the film desperately needs.
The descent between the prisoners reminds me of the
"Parker. Shut up!" scene in Alien, in regards to how they
could possibly kill the Alien. You could take it or leave it.
But I wouldn't leave it.

"I was violated. And now I get to be mother of the year."
In addition to what I said earlier on this scene,
it raises the stakes because the implication is that
if this thing gets off Fiorina 161- not Earth,
not humanity, but all life, is at stake-
"wipe out the whole universe" & I believe it,
because this is Sigourney Weaver's best performance.

"This is as good a place as any to take our first steps to Heaven".
The extended speech and score is superior, no explanation required.

(The shot of Aaron looking in the mirror should've stayed.)
For obvious character arc reasons.

Before the chase & bait begins,
there's several tiny scenes showing how the different prisoners
react to their situation, I think that's fairly appropriate-
to get you aqquainted with where everyone is in the tunnels.
Rather than one scene of David criticising the plan.
Although- why not both?

"I think I've found Vincent!"
Speaks for itself doesn't it? lol
Mysterious Mark Vincent.

"Improvising!"
Not necessary but love this scene.
Especially Ripley's reaction.

"And then it's over."
"I'm not a droid!"
"No pictures!"
Included for obvious reasons.

I believe Ripley would pause for contemplation,
so I prefer her death in the AC-
although I think the "You're crazy." Line is... eh.

No chestburster
but no bad slo-mo.
More graceful fall in a cross position.
In tune with the film's thematics.

There you go.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 22, 2023, 10:42:54 PM
Great videos on the various scripts
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Feb 23, 2023, 01:15:09 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 22, 2023, 10:31:12 PMA former poster once elaborated...
... not a single thing that actually fixed any of the issues people complain about in the movie, which is the point of the video in question.

Hicks and Newt are still dead before the opening credits finish, the egg still makes no sense, we still can't tell the prisoners apart -- nor are we given reason to care to -- the effects are still ropey, and there's still only one Alien.

As someone on Facebook said, it adds length, not content.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 23, 2023, 03:57:54 AM
Did SM ever account for all 25 prisoners?

Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2023, 01:15:09 AMHicks and Newt are still dead before the opening credits finish, the egg still makes no sense, we still can't tell the prisoners apart -- nor are we given reason to care to -- the effects are still ropey, and there's still only one Alien.

The cryotubes are still different.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Feb 23, 2023, 04:29:20 AM
Yes, but I think with a little help from "eh f**k it they died in the fire".

Also I take it back -- the film does add content, but only in the capture subplot. Which was right to be removed as it sucks what little tension the film has right out of it.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 23, 2023, 05:27:09 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 06, 2019, 07:52:28 AMIt has all of the same problems plus a new one -- an excessive run time!
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Feb 23, 2023, 05:28:28 AM
That's the gist of it.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Kradan on Feb 23, 2023, 05:48:12 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 22, 2023, 09:20:55 PM@Kradan ^

Wrong abbreviation  ;)


Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2023, 01:15:09 AMthere's still only one Alien.

Is that a legitimate complaint ? ???
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Feb 23, 2023, 07:15:15 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 23, 2023, 05:48:12 AMIs that a legitimate complaint ? ???
It's legitimate in that people legitimately complained about it after Aliens gave us lots. People felt that going back to just one Alien was a "rehash" of the original.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 23, 2023, 07:28:18 AM
I understand finding it unbelievable though...  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Feb 23, 2023, 09:02:58 AM
It's a dumb criticism but a very real one.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Kradan on Feb 23, 2023, 12:19:52 PM
The funniest thing is that I used to be bothered by it too. But that was back when I was in 5th or 6th grade and my logic was very much "more equals better". Glad to know there're others  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Apr 09, 2023, 04:20:59 AM
Alien 3 AC is great and I much prefer it over the theatrical cut except for a couple changes.

One might say it's... cool and good.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Kradan on Apr 09, 2023, 06:12:10 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 09, 2023, 04:20:59 AMAlien 3 AC is great and I much prefer it over the theatrical cut except for a couple changes.

One might say it's... cool and good.

Hard agree
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 09, 2023, 11:13:07 AM
I'm weird in that I greatly prefer the theatrical cut of all the films.

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Kradan on Apr 09, 2023, 05:03:12 PM
Theatrical cut is a "we have Alien 3 at home" version of the movie

Spoiler
IMHO
[close]
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Apr 09, 2023, 09:10:08 PM
A more nutritious home made meal instead of greasy junk, yes it is.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Apr 09, 2023, 09:22:03 PM
Actually after much careful introspection and quiet contemplation you will find that the Assembly Cut is in fact like dining at a gourmet Michelin star restaurant headed by one of the world's most premier chefs.

Citizen Kane walked so Alien 3 AC could run.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Apr 09, 2023, 10:05:57 PM
Alien 3 SE is a pizza loaded with too many different toppings; the TE is a fine Italian pizza with only a few select complementary ingredients that let you enjoy the individual flavours without getting lost in greasy mush.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Apr 09, 2023, 10:19:24 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 09, 2023, 10:05:57 PMAlien 3 SE is a pizza loaded with too many different toppings; the TE is a fine Italian pizza with only a few select complementary ingredients that let you enjoy the individual flavours without getting lost in greasy mush.
Counterpoint, the TC is a pizza, while the AC is a specially prepared multi-course dinner with flawless preparation and presentation, served in a sequence that each taste sensation compliments the prior one and is a delight for the palate
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Apr 10, 2023, 12:13:00 AM
But it's not flawlessly presented or prepared. At least a pizza analogy allows some roughness in either edit.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 10, 2023, 01:08:30 AM
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Alien fans when calmly and rationally discussing what cuts and films that they prefer.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Apr 10, 2023, 02:18:25 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 10, 2023, 12:13:00 AMBut it's not flawlessly presented or prepared. At least a pizza analogy allows some roughness in either edit.
Yeah but the TC is good but the AC is REAL good so

In fact, for every time you don't watch the Assembly Cut, I'm going to watch it *twice*.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Apr 10, 2023, 10:32:06 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 10, 2023, 02:18:25 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 10, 2023, 12:13:00 AMBut it's not flawlessly presented or prepared. At least a pizza analogy allows some roughness in either edit.
Yeah but the TC is good but the AC is REAL good so

This too fits a pizza analogy.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 10, 2023, 06:14:14 PM
Some of the prisoners liked cheese pizza most.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Kradan on Apr 10, 2023, 06:48:13 PM
Is that confirmed by SM Mr. Canon ?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Apr 10, 2023, 06:53:30 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 10, 2023, 06:48:13 PMIs that confirmed by SM Mr. Canon ?
I am canon
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Kradan on Apr 10, 2023, 07:45:16 PM
Canon is like your opinion, man
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Stitch on Apr 10, 2023, 09:21:35 PM
Now I want pizza
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 10, 2023, 10:06:22 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 10, 2023, 06:48:13 PMIs that confirmed by SM Mr. Canon ?

It's confirmed by either Andrews or Dillon and probably some other character.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Kradan on Apr 11, 2023, 05:23:53 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Apr 10, 2023, 09:21:35 PMNow I want pizza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpvT-Fciu-4
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 10, 2023, 10:06:22 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 10, 2023, 06:48:13 PMIs that confirmed by SM Mr. Canon ?

It's confirmed by either Andrews or Dillon and probably some other character.

Uh, okay
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 11, 2023, 08:06:59 PM
Cheese Pizza is internet slang for something terrible. It's confirmed several of the prisoners are child abusers.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 11, 2023, 08:42:48 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 11, 2023, 08:06:59 PMCheese Pizza is internet slang for something terrible. It's confirmed several of the prisoners are child abusers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RISQc8mptK4
I get some cheese pizza vibes from the Wet Bandits.  Home Alone could have been a lot darker.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 11, 2023, 10:26:30 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 11, 2023, 08:42:48 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 11, 2023, 08:06:59 PMCheese Pizza is internet slang for something terrible. It's confirmed several of the prisoners are child abusers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RISQc8mptK4
I get some cheese pizza vibes from the Wet Bandits.  Home Alone could have been a lot darker.

Home Alone. A film by David Fincher.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 11, 2023, 10:56:22 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 11, 2023, 08:42:48 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 11, 2023, 08:06:59 PMCheese Pizza is internet slang for something terrible. It's confirmed several of the prisoners are child abusers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RISQc8mptK4
I get some cheese pizza vibes from the Wet Bandits.  Home Alone could have been a lot darker.

rofl

Wanted to hit the Like button but it felt kindaa wrong 
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2023, 12:24:09 AM
You know...

SM liked egg on his pizza. :'(

I believe @SiL is partial to pineapple on his.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 12, 2023, 12:55:55 AM
Eeh I'm no purist either when it comes to pizza. Bring on the sauce hollandaise!
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2023, 01:59:33 AM
I figured you'd like sauerkraut on yours.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 12, 2023, 02:29:59 AM
Well, in this case, you figured wrong.

Sauerkraut comes with smoked pork chop or gtfo

(or maybe a nice Saumagen)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 12, 2023, 03:10:49 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2023, 12:24:09 AMYou know...

SM liked egg on his pizza. :'(


But where did the egg come from? ;-) consensus required!
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Engineer on Apr 12, 2023, 04:18:22 AM
Pepperoni and jalapeño for me... kinda vanilla probably lol
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Apr 12, 2023, 04:27:42 AM
I'm a pepperoni kind of guy
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Engineer on Apr 12, 2023, 06:38:55 AM
That's even more vanilla than me 😬
At least the jalapeños spice it up for me lol jk
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 12, 2023, 09:11:52 AM
Pepperoni and mushroom
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 12, 2023, 09:11:48 PM
Danish-style salami, ham, olives, mushrooms, onion, green capsicum and jalapenos for me.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2023, 10:07:18 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 12, 2023, 09:11:48 PMDanish-style salami, ham, olives, mushrooms, onion, green capsicum and jalapenos for me.

Do you make it yourself?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 13, 2023, 02:55:39 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Kradan on Apr 13, 2023, 06:07:44 AM
You forgot ketchup
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 13, 2023, 06:52:31 AM
The sauce goes without saying, but it's really more of a passata.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Necronomicon II on Apr 13, 2023, 08:22:48 AM
If there's no oregano or fresh basil the pizza deserves an assembly cut. Some more Golic bread too.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 13, 2023, 03:15:25 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 13, 2023, 02:55:39 AMYes.

Well, it is a kind of pie.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 13, 2023, 05:51:30 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Apr 13, 2023, 08:22:48 AMIf there's no oregano or fresh basil the pizza deserves an assembly cut. Some more Golic bread too.

Goes in the sauce. Along with red chili and yer crushed Golic.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 13, 2023, 07:10:09 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 13, 2023, 05:51:30 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Apr 13, 2023, 08:22:48 AMIf there's no oregano or fresh basil the pizza deserves an assembly cut. Some more Golic bread too.

Goes in the sauce. Along with red chili and yer crushed Golic.

No egg?  Or is that Australian and to be avoided?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 13, 2023, 07:36:02 PM
Pretty sure I've seen an Italian throw eggs on there at least once, honestly. My preference is for Sicilian style bread with American style toppings, though.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Necronomicon II on Apr 14, 2023, 01:58:55 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 13, 2023, 05:51:30 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Apr 13, 2023, 08:22:48 AMIf there's no oregano or fresh basil the pizza deserves an assembly cut. Some more Golic bread too.

Goes in the sauce. Along with red chili and yer crushed Golic.

Aye.


Mystery iggs, depends, I like pineapple 🍍.


Regarding TC and AC of A3, I re-watched the TC, and while I think it's still an issue that casual audiences won't relate and barely discern any differences among the prisoners, for me that issue contributes to the overall queasiness. While we can't root for these scum, Ripley's reckoning provides an opportunity for redemption, and even the likes of a revolting rapist like junior can have that opportunity. Therefore the AC helps to emphasise that theme a little more than the TC, even if it's only a little. Furthermore the AC does do better at establishing the setting; Clemens wandering the wastelands is stunning and also establishes his loner characterisation with no hint of exposition, that alone is a demonstrable improvement over the TC. That's not mere fat from a storytelling perspective, to a fox executive wanting to satiate American audiences craving xeno action however it would be. That it's enough for even casual fans of the franchise to prefer the AC, shows that there's obviously something that is resonating there.

Clemens likes anchovies on his pizza btw.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 14, 2023, 07:26:47 AM
I'm fairly sure there's already a pizza thread in the Rec board somewhere...let's take it there and not disrespect the thread.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Apr 14, 2023, 07:53:02 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Apr 14, 2023, 01:58:55 AMFurthermore the AC does do better at establishing the setting; Clemens wandering the wastelands is stunning and also establishes his loner characterisation with no hint of exposition, that alone is a demonstrable improvement over the TC.
The TC establishes he's a loner just fine by showing him almost never interact with any of the others. All the exposition in the TC is in the SE, plus more.

If one's problems with the TC are that there's only one Alien, indistinguishable one note characters, no Hicks and Newt, little action, and that you're almost forty minutes ahead of the main character through the first half of the movie then the AC fixes nothing.

If one's problems with the TC is feeling like it lacks some mood or fleshingg out then the SE fixes a lot.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 14, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
But the Assembly Cut literally does give more characterisation to the prisoners, you can not argue that fact, Junior and Golic come to mind.

Whether you think it is effective or not comes down to opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQH7T6vlpJM
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Necronomicon II on Apr 14, 2023, 02:41:59 PM
It's not a great deal more but those small beats do help. Ah well, better to have Golic and Junior die in the flames eh, makes for a tighter piss on the wall, call it Alien 3, who cares. 😂
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Engineer on Apr 14, 2023, 05:09:02 PM
I agree that the AC tells a more cohesive story overall, and fleshes out some of the characters a bit more...

... but honestly, using a dog as the host was much more gut wrenching and emotional to me than any of the added content in the AC. For that reason, I still prefer the TC.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Apr 14, 2023, 10:35:08 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 14, 2023, 02:31:28 PMBut the Assembly Cut literally does give more characterisation to the prisoners, you can not argue that fact, Junior and Golic come to mind.
I can argue that only Junior actually gets more character development through his mini redemption arc. Everyone else is just more of the same as what's established in the TC.

There are lots of nice little beats in the AC that the TC could benefit from, but the full 40 minutes of extra footage is largely extraneous- and was never meant to improve anything.

One day I'll finish my middle cut...
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Cosmic Incubation on Apr 14, 2023, 10:48:15 PM
I honestly feel like there's a perfect cut somewhere between the two.

I love the extra characterization and atmosphere that the assembly cut gives, but I think some differences like the dog chestburster scene work work better for me in the theatrical cut.

I typically prefer the assembly cut, but there are pros and cons to both for me.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Apr 14, 2023, 10:55:07 PM
Somewhere in the middle there's something that has all the extra fleshing out the AC provides but without a lot of the fat that was rightfully trimmed. Getting rid of the capture subplot loses Golic, for example, but also stops the movie hitting a brick wall halfway through.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 15, 2023, 03:09:06 AM
I will take that over him just disappearing, and I like the breather personally, I think it needs that before ramping up for the bombastic finale and creates a much needed respite before going downhill.

Also I prefer the Assembly Cut opening because it is not quite as mean to the people in the EEV (and thus reflects better on Clemens' character), alongside just better cinematography.

As for which Chestburster, I think the Ox looks better (the setting, the imagery, religious undertones of it) but get the view for the Dog being more impactful... but only on a surface level... I would honestly argue that just makes the emotional energy of the scene all messed up, in the Assembly Cut I am focused on Ripley's grief, in the Theatrical Cut it's so distressing what happens to the Dog that I think the emotional focus ends up in the incorrect place.

The only thing I prefer about the Theatrical's the score not being messed up during the sacrifice scene.

I don't even really enjoy the Threatrical Cut, I can't tell you exactly why but it's just not the same to me, it's a combination of all of the above. 
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Necronomicon II on Apr 15, 2023, 03:20:55 AM
I just like the scene-setting better in the AC; we see the lice on the washed up Ripley, again, no exposition, beautiful world-building.

(Am aware it's not actual lice 😂, fury's got super large chungus lice.)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Apr 15, 2023, 03:24:19 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 15, 2023, 03:09:06 AMI will take that over him just disappearing, and I like the breather personally, I think it needs that before ramping up for the bombastic finale and creates a much needed respite before going downhill.

Breather from what? The film takes almost 50 minutes to go anywhere and then just stops for 20 minutes while the main threat is completely neutralised.

It was absolutely the right idea to cut the subplot out completely.

100% the opening of the AC is better though.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 15, 2023, 03:29:14 AM
Go anywhere? Where it is I like... lol.
A respite from The Alien. Maybe it could do with being trimmed down but the vast majority of it I dig.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Apr 15, 2023, 03:38:33 AM
Again, respite from what? The film just gets to the point where everyone is aware of it, and then they promptly lock it in a room.

We have 50 minutes of people sitting around thinking there's no problem interspersed with attacks, then almost half an hour of people thinking there's no problem - and being right.

It's not great pacing.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Engineer on Apr 15, 2023, 03:41:13 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Apr 15, 2023, 03:20:55 AMI just like the scene-setting better in the AC; we see the lice on the washed up Ripley, again, no exposition, beautiful world-building.

(Am aware it's not actual lice 😂, fury's got super large chungus lice.)
I like the fact that you see ripley washed up on the shore of a black beach... it explains why she's covered in soot the next moment you see her on the operating table... whereas in the TC she goes from being perfectly clean in her cryotube to covered in soot in a span of like 10 seconds. I didn't even notice it tbh until I saw the AC in 2003.


Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 15, 2023, 03:09:06 AMI will take that over him just disappearing, and I like the breather personally, I think it needs that before ramping up for the bombastic finale and creates a much needed respite before going downhill.

Also I prefer the Assembly Cut opening because it is not quite as mean to the people in the EEV (and thus reflects better on Clemens' character), alongside just better cinematography.

As for which Chestburster, I think the Ox looks better (the setting, the imagery, religious undertones of it) but get the view for the Dog being more impactful... but only on a surface level... I would honestly argue that just makes the emotional energy of the scene all messed up, in the Assembly Cut I am focused on Ripley's grief, in the Theatrical Cut it's so distressing what happens to the Dog that I think the emotional focus ends up in the incorrect place.

The only thing I prefer about the Theatrical's the score not being messed up during the sacrifice scene.

I don't even really enjoy the Threatrical Cut, I can't tell you exactly why but it's just not the same to me, it's a combination of all of the above. 

Personally, I'm not a religious person, so those religious undertones are less significant to me...
But in general, I tend to like dogs more than most people, so the dog was more than superficial for me...
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 15, 2023, 03:51:59 AM
I am not religious at all, it is precisely that I feel such empathy for the Dog that I find it distracting, and frankly downright undercutting to the funeral scene.

Quote from: SiL on Apr 15, 2023, 03:38:36 AMAgain, respite from what? The film just gets to the point where everyone is aware of it, and then they promptly lock it in a room.

We have 50 minutes of people sitting around thinking there's no problem interspersed with attacks, then almost half an hour of people thinking there's no problem - and being right.

It's not great pacing.

They might not know of it right away, but I do and not a viewing goes by that I don't dread and anticipate it's attacks like I did when I was six years old.
So I always liked that break. *Shrug*

And no they are not right, because that complacency leads to it getting out, and Weyland being on the way.
I like that bell curve over things just... continuing on.

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Nukiemorph on Apr 15, 2023, 04:10:18 AM
It bugs me that the ox is dead. Doesn't the host need to be alive? What killed the ox before the chestbursting? Did it die because the alien started ripping through, but didn't fully emerge until they got it inside? Did the embryo stay in the body because it had some issue with the exterior atmosphere on the planet, or maybe the lice? Did the facehugger kill the ox when it was implanting the embryo? Did it die from some other side effect of the embryo?

It's also frustrating that only one cut of the film introduces the concept of the queen facehugger. Granted, it's brief & subtle, but seems like a pretty big piece of lore that will eventually need to be confirmed or contradicted by a future movie.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 15, 2023, 04:19:56 AM
It used to be alive like all hosts.

The Chestburster had difficulty getting out, so needed to develop more to get out, hence the Bambi Burster.

A theory I have often heard. 
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Nukiemorph on Apr 15, 2023, 05:19:29 AM
That makes a lot of sense... It is far more developed than any other chestburster we've seen.

I like it. Gripe deleted.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Apr 15, 2023, 05:25:40 AM
Ok but now make it make sense for the dog.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Nukiemorph on Apr 15, 2023, 09:12:17 AM
Dog-burster looks just as developed as the ox-burster, but seems smaller.

I always just shrugged off the physical differences by attributing them to the fact that it was born from a four-legged animal.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Necronomicon II on Apr 16, 2023, 04:18:54 AM
It's also worth pointing out Troy Benjamin and Raleigh Stewart worked on the anthology menus and information, etc, so presuming De Lauzirika was solely cribbing reliable canonical minutiae is a little hasty. I'll see if I can clarify with him time permitting.

Peace.

Necro/MUTHUR
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 17, 2023, 08:22:03 AM
I think the conversation took a turn here that I lost. What are you referring to Necro?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Year0 on May 01, 2023, 11:33:02 PM
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Apr 15, 2023, 04:10:18 AMIt's also frustrating that only one cut of the film introduces the concept of the queen facehugger. Granted, it's brief & subtle, but seems like a pretty big piece of lore that will eventually need to be confirmed or contradicted by a future movie.
I think you're being too technical. The point of A3 is that Ripley is hurtling towards her death and there is only one way of saving humanity. There's little focus on the queen face hugger because the film doesn't want you to care about that. It wants you to know the alien is a force that will kill anyone who gets too close to Ripley, depriving her of any sense to her life as well as eventually taking it.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: xenotaris on May 10, 2023, 08:33:24 PM
Also ALIEN 3 was supposed to end the Alien series
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 19, 2023, 02:57:53 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 14, 2023, 02:31:28 PMBut the Assembly Cut literally does give more characterisation to the prisoners, you can not argue that fact, Junior and Golic come to mind.

Whether you think it is effective or not comes down to opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQH7T6vlpJM

Wonder where I've heard this before?

Oh that's right...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-dF93Bm9Q8
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: oduodu on Sep 19, 2023, 05:25:43 AM
sm youre back! great to see.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Sep 19, 2023, 09:26:54 AM
It's a hit and run
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 19, 2023, 09:37:31 AM
@SM Why hast thou forsaken us?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 19, 2023, 09:41:13 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 19, 2023, 09:26:54 AMIt's a hit and run

Maybe. Or maybe I'm back up in yo ass with the Resurrection.


It's both. No idea why I was lurking today as I can't remember the last time I did. Noticed a video that copies every point of a video I did about Alien 3 in April last year but with a Pommy accent.

I hope to have a Resurrection video I wrote and recorded ages ago but am still editing up soon so no one can watch that too.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Sep 19, 2023, 09:49:10 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 19, 2023, 09:41:13 AM[so no one can watch that too.
No one can watch your version *
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 19, 2023, 11:53:31 AM
Good to see you SM. I always appreciate your content myself.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 19, 2023, 05:13:38 PM
If only he was here for the ralfy arc. :(
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Thatguy2068 on Sep 19, 2023, 05:22:56 PM
Who Ralfy?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 19, 2023, 08:32:35 PM
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Sep 19, 2023, 05:22:56 PMWho Ralfy?

Might as well start from the beginning...

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=59486.0
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 20, 2023, 12:26:22 AM
I was going in insert a 'that's clearly someone with a fetish for getting yelled at' picture, but my pictures don't work.

Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 19, 2023, 11:53:31 AMGood to see you SM. I always appreciate your content myself.

Cheers mate.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 20, 2023, 12:27:38 AM
I think he still has me on ignore.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 20, 2023, 12:33:48 AM
No.

I can if you like?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 20, 2023, 12:41:09 AM
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/l1uguCoXaPw6gDTvq/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 22, 2023, 12:40:23 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 19, 2023, 09:41:13 AMNoticed a video that copies every point of a video I did about Alien 3 in April last year but with a Pommy accent.

So did you confront the Pommy about his thievery?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Sep 22, 2023, 05:06:45 AM
If by "confront" you mean I dropped a sarcastic comment and link to my video on his page then quickly ran away - 'ken oath I did.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 22, 2023, 05:08:04 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 22, 2023, 05:06:45 AMIf by "confront" you mean I dropped a sarcastic comment and link to my video on his page then quickly ran away - absolutely.

 ;D 👍
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Still Collating... on Sep 22, 2023, 01:58:51 PM
So glad to see you back SM! ;D Hope you stay... 8)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 07, 2023, 05:06:47 AM
When can we expect a new SM video?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 07, 2023, 10:27:14 PM
Edit - original vid removed

Uploaded yesterday. For some reason the quality is stuck on 480p despite the source video being 720p.

Seems to be the case with a number of my videos. Can't figure out what the issue is.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 07, 2023, 10:33:19 PM
I'm still eagerly awaiting your deep-dive analysis of DotS.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 07, 2023, 10:49:45 PM
Keep awaiting.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 07, 2023, 10:54:17 PM
SM has mastered the art of keeping an asshole in suspense.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: ralfy on Oct 07, 2023, 11:06:52 PM
Quote2179 (June 12)

Ripley is discharged from hospital.
At a board of enquiry, Ripley's stories about the Alien are widely ignored. She has her flight status revoked, and takes up residence aboard Gateway Station, working with powerloaders in the loading docks.
Following the enquiry, Carter Burke provides Hadley's Hope with the co-ordinates to the derelict spacecraft on Acheron.

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 07, 2023, 11:16:35 PM
So?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 07, 2023, 11:52:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jST2yn4_sVU
Re-upload with better quality.

Lost six whole likes.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2023, 05:37:02 AM
SM is even more terse these days.  It's as if he just got back from undergoing the Kolinahr.

I dig it.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Oct 08, 2023, 07:32:40 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 07, 2023, 11:16:35 PMSo?

🤣
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 08, 2023, 10:11:15 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2023, 05:37:02 AMSM is even more terse these days.  It's as if he just got back from undergoing the Kolinahr.

I dig it.

Huh.

I thought it was one of my lighter offerings.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Oct 08, 2023, 10:22:07 PM
Why you uploading in 720p
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2023, 11:13:32 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 08, 2023, 10:11:15 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2023, 05:37:02 AMSM is even more terse these days.  It's as if he just got back from undergoing the Kolinahr.

I dig it.

Huh.

I thought it was one of my lighter offerings.

I mean here.  Video SM is practically Paul Hogan.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 09, 2023, 01:05:04 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 08, 2023, 10:22:07 PMWhy you uploading in 720p

I re-rendered in 1080. YouTube seems to drop the quality a notch so it ends up 720p.

Go figure.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 09, 2023, 01:49:16 AM
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYjZzZ2lqa3R2aThpdXJtdnFueTI5ZTlyZnV5OG1rcHR5MWs4MDcxNyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/E4YAwtIlNLXREyPZsc/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 09, 2023, 04:17:27 AM

(https://media.tenor.com/BJ7BDF-3VkIAAAAC/spock-wtf.gif)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Oct 09, 2023, 05:24:15 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 09, 2023, 01:05:04 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 08, 2023, 10:22:07 PMWhy you uploading in 720p

I re-rendered in 1080. YouTube seems to drop the quality a notch so it ends up 720p.

Go figure.
Very strange.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 09, 2023, 06:07:26 AM
I researched on the weekend and they talk about after initial upload it takes longer to process a higher quality version. But I looked at some older videos that are also lower resolution despite being rendered higher, so that's not the issue.

Also read that smaller channels default to lower quality. No idea if that's true.

Also by 1080 above I mean 1080 x 720.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Oct 09, 2023, 06:15:28 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 09, 2023, 06:07:26 AMAlso by 1080 above I mean 1080 x 720.
OK see the problem is that's less than 720 resolution.

720 is 1280 x 720. 1080 resolution (HD) is 1920 x 1080.

So you're actually 200 horizontal pixels lower resolution than standard 720.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 09, 2023, 06:33:17 AM
You seem to know a lot about video editing.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 09, 2023, 08:44:43 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 09, 2023, 06:15:28 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 09, 2023, 06:07:26 AMAlso by 1080 above I mean 1080 x 720.
OK see the problem is that's less than 720 resolution.

720 is 1280 x 720. 1080 resolution (HD) is 1920 x 1080.

So you're actually 200 horizontal pixels lower resolution than standard 720.

I'll give it a crack but pretty sure I tried higher and Premiere carked it.

Also that one wasn't widescreen because most of the source material I was working with wasn't widescreen.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Oct 09, 2023, 10:23:43 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 09, 2023, 08:44:43 AMI'll give it a crack but pretty sure I tried higher and Premiere carked it.

Also that one wasn't widescreen because most of the source material I was working with wasn't widescreen.
Are you running an illegal version off a literal potato? I can't imagine why else Premiere would struggle with HD.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 09, 2023, 08:40:03 PM
Don't think so. It's an older version, but I often have problems rendering videos for different reasons. One I recently discovered was on a mix of video and stills. The stills were too big and it worked okay once I resized them. Took months to diagnose that though.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 11, 2023, 08:27:18 AM
When are you going to sell your soul and start making your videos more clickbaity?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 11, 2023, 11:52:04 PM
Not sure I'd get very much for it.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Oct 16, 2023, 06:10:57 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 20, 2023, 12:27:38 AMI think he still has me on ignore.
Seems not.

Me, on the other hand
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: TheGreenSolution on Oct 16, 2023, 08:14:00 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 07, 2023, 11:52:32 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jST2yn4_sVU
Re-upload with better quality.

Lost six whole likes.
I always enjoy a look at those crazy crew dossiers! Nice work!
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 17, 2023, 06:32:34 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 16, 2023, 06:10:57 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 20, 2023, 12:27:38 AMI think he still has me on ignore.
Seems not.

Me, on the other hand

Probably just an oversight.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Oct 26, 2023, 01:32:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ojW6BweWNc
Me droning on about Resurrection scripts for an hour.

You know you want to.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The_Nostromo_Files on Nov 05, 2023, 09:19:46 PM
Keep 'em comin', old friend. They get better and better...
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Nov 05, 2023, 10:07:14 PM
Cheers mate.  :D
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 09, 2023, 12:20:44 AM
I wonder if SM ever saw this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRGvmU0a2ew
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Nov 09, 2023, 09:40:20 AM
Looks shit.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Dec 20, 2023, 12:25:44 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 09, 2023, 12:20:44 AMI wonder if SM ever saw this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRGvmU0a2ew

I wonder if you saw this...


Both mine and SM's articles helped make this video  8)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 20, 2023, 12:33:01 AM
But did SM actually see it?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Dec 20, 2023, 12:48:09 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 20, 2023, 12:33:01 AMBut did SM actually see it?

I'm not sure...let me consult the bones:

(https://i.ibb.co/pbwbLYx/Screenshot-20231220-004535-Duck-Duck-Go.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JmtmsDK)

Bones say no.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 20, 2023, 01:06:01 AM
Then maybe you should bring it to his attention.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Dec 20, 2023, 01:17:51 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 20, 2023, 01:06:01 AMThen maybe you should bring it to his attention.

Sure, I'll just attach a notification to a carrier pigeon and hope for the best. What could possibly go wrong, right?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Dec 20, 2023, 02:26:39 AM
Not seen it.  Just had a quick glance and it was nice of him to tell us that he was nicking Xeno Alpha and my stuff for his video before nicking it though.

Finally finished writing my own version last week.  Now editing and revising. Should run two and a half to three hours.

Might be out by this time next year but no promises.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 20, 2023, 02:49:09 AM
You should post your video on the utter pointlessness of the praetorian and that hit piece on Sam Kieth that he's had coming for over 30 years.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Dec 20, 2023, 03:38:33 AM
That's just petty.


I'll get right on it.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 23, 2023, 08:52:54 PM
Why wasn't Alun Armstrong in Alien 3?  I feel like he should have been one of the bald Poms.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Dec 23, 2023, 09:03:34 PM
They should get Guy Ritchie to remake Alien 3 with all the gangster dudes from Guy Ritchie movies.

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 23, 2023, 09:04:14 PM
Jason Statham and Vinnie Jones?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Dec 23, 2023, 09:17:07 PM
Yeah I reckon Statham as Dillon and Jones as Morse.

'I'll ram 'er 'ead' through the f**kin' wall 'cos I'm the Jugganort.'
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2024, 12:26:30 AM
Have at ye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhSk-7LmN54
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 07, 2024, 02:10:31 AM
I wonder if someone not on ralfy's ignore list will call his attention to that video.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Jan 07, 2024, 10:58:37 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 07, 2024, 12:26:30 AMHave at ye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhSk-7LmN54

QuoteI wonder if someone not on ralfy's ignore list will call his attention to that video.

@ralfy

Here you go @Local Trouble  :)  8) done.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 07, 2024, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 07, 2024, 12:26:30 AMHave at ye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhSk-7LmN54

Awesome!
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: oduodu on Jan 07, 2024, 04:29:55 PM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 09, 2023, 05:24:15 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 09, 2023, 01:05:04 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 08, 2023, 10:22:07 PMWhy you uploading in 720p

I re-rendered in 1080. YouTube seems to drop the quality a notch so it ends up 720p.

Go figure.
Very strange.

happens to me from time to time
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Jan 07, 2024, 05:07:34 PM
Excellent work and video as always @SM  :)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: oduodu on Jan 07, 2024, 05:37:39 PM
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/387793-How-do-I-get-the-good-upload-video-quality-to-youtube-1080p-60fps


sil

rendering to av1 with a dedicated graphics card that supports svg dramatically cuts down on rendering time?

the link i shared suggests uploaiding in a resolution higher than the target resolution . av1 svg hardware encoder on a dedicated gpu will cut down on render times . just a sugestion . dont know how practical this is for sm.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2024, 09:35:42 PM
@xeno_alpha_07 @426Buddy 

Merci beaucoup  :)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 07, 2024, 09:58:41 PM
I wonder if someone with a Vault Boy avatar will comment on the video.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: ralfy on Jan 08, 2024, 06:18:25 AM
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Jan 07, 2024, 10:58:37 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 07, 2024, 12:26:30 AMHave at ye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhSk-7LmN54

QuoteI wonder if someone not on ralfy's ignore list will call his attention to that video.

@ralfy

Here you go @Local Trouble  :)  8) done.

The point isn't whether or not the company knew about the aliens but whether or not it knew the location of the distress beacon. What the movie reveals is that it did, and it even instructed the computer to reroute the Nostromo to the new coordinates.

That means they knew the location of the distress beacon even before the Nostromo was rerouted, and long before the events depicted in the second movie took place.

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jan 08, 2024, 07:20:39 AM
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/media/larry-david-despair-gif.107686/full)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2024, 01:30:10 PM
"Half of bishop escaped"  :laugh:  That was funny but the halfing only happened later on Sulaco.  ;D
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: ralfy on Jan 08, 2024, 04:37:19 PM
I went over the rest of the video, and it's worse than I thought. Some points to consider:

When a distress signal is decoded and seen as a warning to stay away, then that obviously shows that intelligent life is involved. That strongly implies potential for investigation and monetization.

The computer was transmitting information periodically to the company from the start, and unless the computer for some absurd reason stopped doing so after it rerouted the ship, then that means the company also knew what happened to Kane and the facehugger, and what he, Dallas, and Lambert saw in the derelict ship.

Logically, the company would have even contacted the Nostromo, asking for updates. Why? How many opportunities do you get discovering a distress signal in the middle of nowhere?

"Exclusive rights for anyone" doesn't mean that Burke and Ripley don't get exclusive rights over anyone else. It means ECA and the ICC step in and impose quarantines and lockdowns; in short, no one gets to monetize the find.

On top of that, both Burke and Ripley are employed with W-Y, which means they're on company time. In which case, they don't get exclusive rights but a share of the earnings. BTW, a finder's fee isn't the same as exclusive rights. The latter refers to the point that no one else has rights to the find except for the one who found it.

If Burke is a liaison, then that means he was working for W-Y and not alone.

Burke says that he doesn't warn the colonists about potential danger because it would create a major security situation. Who would be concerned with that? The ICC which regulates transmission of alien organisms and the ECA which is in charge of protecting the welfare of colonists. And who were in the hearing and received the same information as Burke, which were the coordinates of the distress beacon? Van Leuwen of the ICC and an ECA officer.

The point isn't whether or not Burke was sure if the derelict ship existed. It's that he joined the "rescue" team because he was betting that it did. The "bad call," then isn't that he wasn't certain about the existence of the derelict ship but that he couldn't warn the colonists because they might not want have wanted to investigate the ship. It's similar to the company ordering Ash to ensure acquisition of the organism even if he had to sacrifice the Nostromo crew to do so.

According to video, they were able to translate the signal partly in a short order of time because they knew there was something "hostile" on LV-426, which is why they came up with a special order and had Ash replace the existing science officer. That makes no sense at all because the computer detected the signal when the ship was in transit, and Ash replaced the science officer before that.

How to resolve that issue? The company knew about such dangerous organisms long before, which is why they used synths like Ash, came up with special orders, and set up a bioweapons division in preparation of monetizing finds. All they were waiting for were company ships to find them.

Whenever you have a distress signal, and on top of that a warning, and from what you consider intelligent life, and what is likely non-human and in the middle of nowhere, then you don't think about whether or not you can monetize from such a find. You assume that the level of technology used by that organism to reach such places is the same as yours, if not better. Given that, you don't go on a simple "fishing expedition."

In which case, why didn't they send a specialized team? Simple: if you have one of your ships nearby, then send it right away. You want exclusive rights to the find, remember? And the greedy crew gets its "bonus situation". But what if they fail? Well, why do you think Ash and the special order's for? In fact, the same video gives that point.

Again, the company likely didn't know enough about the alien because, for some weird reason, Mother probably stopped reporting and the company didn't bother to ask the Nostromo crew what happened during their expedition, but why is that even needed to justify sending a team? They already received the coordinates from Mother and it's obvious that they're dealing with intelligent lifeforms. What other things did they need to consider? Heck, they even set up a colony on the same rock and still didn't bother to investigate even though they had the coordinates from Mother.

When you do "whatever work is given to you," then that means you don't work alone because someone's giving work to you. And who else was that but W-Y?

Why did they send a director? My guess is that the potential find is so great that Burke told the company that he should do it himself to make sure that they succeed. That's why he wasn't even a "case manager." He wasn't defending Ripley during the hearing, was manipulating her throughout, ordered the colony manager around, worked with Gorman, and ordered Bishop around, too. He's more like George Clooney's character "Michael Clayton."

The problem with Bishop is that he didn't refuse Burke's order, so he actually went against his core programming. Also, Bishop was not W-Y property and probably more than just part of ECA, as his tasks included operating the ACP.

Lastly, the video refers to the prequels, which makes matters worse because they show that the company knew a lot about the aliens (and more) long before the first movie took place. Given that, how do we solve most of discrepancies in the timeline?

The company knows a lot (and more) about the aliens from the prequels, and because of that forms a bioweapons division and a special order, and puts synths on its ships to fulfill that order.

Mother reports a signal and its coordinates, and the company has it reroute the ship. The first movie follows.

The company loses information on the coordinates, and the distress beacon stops working. A colony is set up and efforts are made to find the derelict ship, but they fail.

Ripley is rescued. The company recovers the coordinates from the flight recorder and erases them in order not to alert the government. Burke is tasked to covertly work on the matter. He orders the colony to send someone to investigate the area. They get infected, etc., but they are able to report only about the first alien before it damages the transmitter.

Burke decides to send one team to kill the alien (they figured that there'd be only one alien, just like what happened to the Nostromo crew), rescue the colonists, secure company property, smuggle organisms, and secure the derelict ship so that the company could get exclusive rights to it. Burke, Ripley, and any of the colonists who discovered the ship would get a share of profits from monetization.

The rest of the second movie follows.

Lastly, keep in mind that the other authorized media complicates the timeline. For example, after the first movie I think one game states that one ship found the Nostromo fight recorder, obtains the coordinates, and visits the derelict ship, and one report indicates that another ship also visits the same because the company already had the coordinates from the Nostromo lifeboat recorder, and there they encounter a third ship.



Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Jan 08, 2024, 08:14:46 PM
Ralfy continues to prove he's not actually watched these movies.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 08, 2024, 08:17:59 PM
So just to clarify, this *exact* same topic from the same individual is now being spammed in the following threads:

In the Alien Films Section:

1. Why did the folk of Hadley's Hope not send a signal? thread

2. Was the Nostromo sent to LV-426 on Purpose? Thread

3. Alien 3: Why didn't the company return to LV-426? Thread

4. Was Burke working alone? Thread ** now locked because of it**

5. Aliens: An analysis **locked because of it**

6. Sulaco thread

7. The Egg on the Sulaco thread

And now here in the community news section:

8. Alien timeline updated thread.

Eight threads (and I'm sure I'm missing a couple). And when any of us speak out about it, there are some insinuating *we* are the problem, even though the ignore feature is overwritten by quotes. I honestly truly appreciate difference of opinion (each to their own! I'm aware some of my own opinions aren't popular!) But this is just making discussions really unenjoyable, and there's no escape from it. 😔

Surely this is at the point that it's infringing some sort of forum etiquette?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 08, 2024, 08:43:08 PM
It would be one thing if he had to withstand the onslaught of good-faith disagreements, but he abuses the ignore feature like I've never seen before.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jan 08, 2024, 10:38:10 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 08, 2024, 08:14:46 PMRalfy continues to prove he's not actually watched these movies.

And that he has a problem with what words mean.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 10, 2024, 03:27:29 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 08, 2024, 08:17:59 PMSo just to clarify, this *exact* same topic from the same individual is now being spammed in the following threads:

In the Alien Films Section:

1. Why did the folk of Hadley's Hope not send a signal? thread

2. Was the Nostromo sent to LV-426 on Purpose? Thread

3. Alien 3: Why didn't the company return to LV-426? Thread

4. Was Burke working alone? Thread ** now locked because of it**

5. Aliens: An analysis **locked because of it**

6. Sulaco thread

7. The Egg on the Sulaco thread

And now here in the community news section:

8. Alien timeline updated thread.

Eight threads (and I'm sure I'm missing a couple). And when any of us speak out about it, there are some insinuating *we* are the problem, even though the ignore feature is overwritten by quotes. I honestly truly appreciate difference of opinion (each to their own! I'm aware some of my own opinions aren't popular!) But this is just making discussions really unenjoyable, and there's no escape from it. 😔

Surely this is at the point that it's infringing some sort of forum etiquette?
f**king seriously. I've just taken to reporting his posts like it's my one purpose on this earth.

SM has me on ignore, and I know he and I don't see eye to eye 100% of the time, but I can only pray ralfy's nonsense might get SM to reevaluate and say "huh, maybe this Xenomrph guy isn't so bad."

Come on, SM. We can work through this.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 10, 2024, 04:38:15 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 10, 2024, 03:27:29 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 08, 2024, 08:17:59 PMSo just to clarify, this *exact* same topic from the same individual is now being spammed in the following threads:

In the Alien Films Section:

1. Why did the folk of Hadley's Hope not send a signal? thread

2. Was the Nostromo sent to LV-426 on Purpose? Thread

3. Alien 3: Why didn't the company return to LV-426? Thread

4. Was Burke working alone? Thread ** now locked because of it**

5. Aliens: An analysis **locked because of it**

6. Sulaco thread

7. The Egg on the Sulaco thread

And now here in the community news section:

8. Alien timeline updated thread.

Eight threads (and I'm sure I'm missing a couple). And when any of us speak out about it, there are some insinuating *we* are the problem, even though the ignore feature is overwritten by quotes. I honestly truly appreciate difference of opinion (each to their own! I'm aware some of my own opinions aren't popular!) But this is just making discussions really unenjoyable, and there's no escape from it. 😔

Surely this is at the point that it's infringing some sort of forum etiquette?
f**king seriously. I've just taken to reporting his posts like it's my one purpose on this earth.

SM has me on ignore, and I know he and I don't see eye to eye 100% of the time, but I can only pray ralfy's nonsense might get SM to reevaluate and say "huh, maybe this Xenomrph guy isn't so bad."

Come on, SM. We can work through this.

Are you the AvP to ralfy's AvPR?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 10, 2024, 04:46:33 AM
Nah, I'm Prometheus to Ralfy's Dark Star.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2024, 02:04:21 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 10, 2024, 03:27:29 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 08, 2024, 08:17:59 PMSo just to clarify, this *exact* same topic from the same individual is now being spammed in the following threads:

In the Alien Films Section:

1. Why did the folk of Hadley's Hope not send a signal? thread

2. Was the Nostromo sent to LV-426 on Purpose? Thread

3. Alien 3: Why didn't the company return to LV-426? Thread

4. Was Burke working alone? Thread ** now locked because of it**

5. Aliens: An analysis **locked because of it**

6. Sulaco thread

7. The Egg on the Sulaco thread

And now here in the community news section:

8. Alien timeline updated thread.

Eight threads (and I'm sure I'm missing a couple). And when any of us speak out about it, there are some insinuating *we* are the problem, even though the ignore feature is overwritten by quotes. I honestly truly appreciate difference of opinion (each to their own! I'm aware some of my own opinions aren't popular!) But this is just making discussions really unenjoyable, and there's no escape from it. 😔

Surely this is at the point that it's infringing some sort of forum etiquette?
f**king seriously. I've just taken to reporting his posts like it's my one purpose on this earth.

SM has me on ignore, and I know he and I don't see eye to eye 100% of the time, but I can only pray ralfy's nonsense might get SM to reevaluate and say "huh, maybe this Xenomrph guy isn't so bad."

Come on, SM. We can work through this.

When did that happen?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 10, 2024, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2024, 02:04:21 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 10, 2024, 03:27:29 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 08, 2024, 08:17:59 PMSo just to clarify, this *exact* same topic from the same individual is now being spammed in the following threads:

In the Alien Films Section:

1. Why did the folk of Hadley's Hope not send a signal? thread

2. Was the Nostromo sent to LV-426 on Purpose? Thread

3. Alien 3: Why didn't the company return to LV-426? Thread

4. Was Burke working alone? Thread ** now locked because of it**

5. Aliens: An analysis **locked because of it**

6. Sulaco thread

7. The Egg on the Sulaco thread

And now here in the community news section:

8. Alien timeline updated thread.

Eight threads (and I'm sure I'm missing a couple). And when any of us speak out about it, there are some insinuating *we* are the problem, even though the ignore feature is overwritten by quotes. I honestly truly appreciate difference of opinion (each to their own! I'm aware some of my own opinions aren't popular!) But this is just making discussions really unenjoyable, and there's no escape from it. 😔

Surely this is at the point that it's infringing some sort of forum etiquette?
f**king seriously. I've just taken to reporting his posts like it's my one purpose on this earth.

SM has me on ignore, and I know he and I don't see eye to eye 100% of the time, but I can only pray ralfy's nonsense might get SM to reevaluate and say "huh, maybe this Xenomrph guy isn't so bad."

Come on, SM. We can work through this.

When did that happen?
Years ago, I don't even remember what I said or did on this forum.

SM and I have a long history, over 20 years ago I did some shitty stuff as a moderator on another AvP forum that rightfully pissed a lot of people off, including SM. I'd like to think I've changed since then, but that's up to SM I guess.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2024, 04:12:14 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 10, 2024, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2024, 02:04:21 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 10, 2024, 03:27:29 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 08, 2024, 08:17:59 PMSo just to clarify, this *exact* same topic from the same individual is now being spammed in the following threads:

In the Alien Films Section:

1. Why did the folk of Hadley's Hope not send a signal? thread

2. Was the Nostromo sent to LV-426 on Purpose? Thread

3. Alien 3: Why didn't the company return to LV-426? Thread

4. Was Burke working alone? Thread ** now locked because of it**

5. Aliens: An analysis **locked because of it**

6. Sulaco thread

7. The Egg on the Sulaco thread

And now here in the community news section:

8. Alien timeline updated thread.

Eight threads (and I'm sure I'm missing a couple). And when any of us speak out about it, there are some insinuating *we* are the problem, even though the ignore feature is overwritten by quotes. I honestly truly appreciate difference of opinion (each to their own! I'm aware some of my own opinions aren't popular!) But this is just making discussions really unenjoyable, and there's no escape from it. 😔

Surely this is at the point that it's infringing some sort of forum etiquette?
f**king seriously. I've just taken to reporting his posts like it's my one purpose on this earth.

SM has me on ignore, and I know he and I don't see eye to eye 100% of the time, but I can only pray ralfy's nonsense might get SM to reevaluate and say "huh, maybe this Xenomrph guy isn't so bad."

Come on, SM. We can work through this.

When did that happen?
Years ago, I don't even remember what I said or did on this forum.

SM and I have a long history, over 20 years ago I did some shitty stuff as a moderator on another AvP forum that rightfully pissed a lot of people off, including SM. I'd like to think I've changed since then, but that's up to SM I guess.
That is unfornuate, but people do change. What forum was that by the way?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 10, 2024, 04:33:54 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2024, 04:12:14 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 10, 2024, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2024, 02:04:21 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 10, 2024, 03:27:29 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 08, 2024, 08:17:59 PMSo just to clarify, this *exact* same topic from the same individual is now being spammed in the following threads:

In the Alien Films Section:

1. Why did the folk of Hadley's Hope not send a signal? thread

2. Was the Nostromo sent to LV-426 on Purpose? Thread

3. Alien 3: Why didn't the company return to LV-426? Thread

4. Was Burke working alone? Thread ** now locked because of it**

5. Aliens: An analysis **locked because of it**

6. Sulaco thread

7. The Egg on the Sulaco thread

And now here in the community news section:

8. Alien timeline updated thread.

Eight threads (and I'm sure I'm missing a couple). And when any of us speak out about it, there are some insinuating *we* are the problem, even though the ignore feature is overwritten by quotes. I honestly truly appreciate difference of opinion (each to their own! I'm aware some of my own opinions aren't popular!) But this is just making discussions really unenjoyable, and there's no escape from it. 😔

Surely this is at the point that it's infringing some sort of forum etiquette?
f**king seriously. I've just taken to reporting his posts like it's my one purpose on this earth.

SM has me on ignore, and I know he and I don't see eye to eye 100% of the time, but I can only pray ralfy's nonsense might get SM to reevaluate and say "huh, maybe this Xenomrph guy isn't so bad."

Come on, SM. We can work through this.

When did that happen?
Years ago, I don't even remember what I said or did on this forum.

SM and I have a long history, over 20 years ago I did some shitty stuff as a moderator on another AvP forum that rightfully pissed a lot of people off, including SM. I'd like to think I've changed since then, but that's up to SM I guess.
That is unfornuate, but people do change. What forum was that by the way?
GameGossip
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 10, 2024, 04:41:42 PM
@Xenomrph '

You liked to fit everything together, with AVPR, prequels, keners, all in one universe. :o👉👈
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 10, 2024, 05:29:54 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 10, 2024, 04:41:42 PM@Xenomrph '

You liked to fit everything together, with AVPR, prequels, keners, all in one universe. :o👉👈
That's what head canon is for.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 10, 2024, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 10, 2024, 05:29:54 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 10, 2024, 04:41:42 PM@Xenomrph '

You liked to fit everything together, with AVPR, prequels, keners, all in one universe. :o👉👈
That's what head canon is for.

(https://s13.gifyu.com/images/S0N0w.gif)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2024, 02:04:21 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 10, 2024, 03:27:29 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 08, 2024, 08:17:59 PMSo just to clarify, this *exact* same topic from the same individual is now being spammed in the following threads:

In the Alien Films Section:

1. Why did the folk of Hadley's Hope not send a signal? thread

2. Was the Nostromo sent to LV-426 on Purpose? Thread

3. Alien 3: Why didn't the company return to LV-426? Thread

4. Was Burke working alone? Thread ** now locked because of it**

5. Aliens: An analysis **locked because of it**

6. Sulaco thread

7. The Egg on the Sulaco thread

And now here in the community news section:

8. Alien timeline updated thread.

Eight threads (and I'm sure I'm missing a couple). And when any of us speak out about it, there are some insinuating *we* are the problem, even though the ignore feature is overwritten by quotes. I honestly truly appreciate difference of opinion (each to their own! I'm aware some of my own opinions aren't popular!) But this is just making discussions really unenjoyable, and there's no escape from it. 😔

Surely this is at the point that it's infringing some sort of forum etiquette?
f**king seriously. I've just taken to reporting his posts like it's my one purpose on this earth.

SM has me on ignore, and I know he and I don't see eye to eye 100% of the time, but I can only pray ralfy's nonsense might get SM to reevaluate and say "huh, maybe this Xenomrph guy isn't so bad."

Come on, SM. We can work through this.

When did that happen?

There's no spamming because all of the threads are connected: if the company is involved and it makes sense for the colonists to both be excited over and then panic because of the alien ship and aliens, then that means Burke was lying to Ripley about not knowing what happened to the colony.

Is there a basis for the company having enough information about the creature? Yes: given the first movie, they instructed Mother to reroute the Nostromo to the new coordinates. That means the company had the location of the distress beacon, and thus the alien ship.

Why didn't the company return to LV-426? Likely it did, but the derelict ship must have been damaged by the nuclear blast such that they needed the alien from Ripley. How did they know? According to Bishop in the third movie, the Sulaco computer was sending all details on that and more to the company.

Given that, how can we say that Burke was working alone when he was part of a division tasked to acquire alien organisms by a company that's been keenly interested in them for profit-making as early as the first movie, and even earlier if we consider the prequels?

Aren't all of these part of an analysis of Aliens?

What was involved in Burke's mission? The Sulaco? Which computer was sending info to the company, according to Burke? The one on the Sulaco. Which one was operated by the company and manned by a synth that's supposed to work for the military (because he was tasked to, among others, operate the APC) and yet receives orders from Burke (given the second movie)? The Sulaco.

Finally, aren't all these part of the timeline?

To recap, following the prequels, the company knew about the aliens.

Then it formed a bio-weapons division and the ICC implemented quarantine protocols involving exposure to and smuggling dangerous organisms. Did that have anything to do with the prequels?

Mother and W-Y were talking back-and-forth, with the latter receiving information on the coordinates of the distress beacon, whose signal was even partially decoded and said to be a warning, not a call for help. That not only indicates signs of intelligent life, but given the remoteness of the location, one that might even have tech that's as advanced as or even better than that of human beings. Hence, the reference to the bio-weapons division and the special order. Does that mean that W-Y cares to profit from them?

W-Y had the coordinates even then, but did not bother to look for the derelict ship if we follow the arguments raised by those who think that Burke worked alone. What about Isolation, which states that they did? Or the Colonial Marines manual?

In the second movie, the ICC and ECA reps don't bother to investigate the coordinates given in lifeboat recorder, and for some bizarre reason Ripley does not press them on to do so even if it's the only evidence she has to prove her case. Is it because according to the W-Y Report the company scrubbed the coordinates from the logs?

If it's only in the second movie that W-Y took interest in the derelict ship because they received the coordinates from the logs, then what happened to the same information that they received from Mother decades earlier?

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:14:31 AM
Hey yo @RidgeTop @Corporal Hicks @Darkness @Master Chief can we please get some assistance in here.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 02:16:56 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:14:31 AMHey yo @RidgeTop @Corporal Hicks @Darkness @Master Chief can we please get some assistance in here.

What if this backfires and they make ralfy a mod?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 11, 2024, 02:18:22 AM

This is the way 8)🙏
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:19:42 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 02:16:56 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:14:31 AMHey yo @RidgeTop @Corporal Hicks @Darkness @Master Chief can we please get some assistance in here.

What if this backfires and they make ralfy a mod?
then you and I will commit ritual seppuku together, as has been foretold in the ancient texts
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 11, 2024, 02:26:11 AM
ralfy, if you become mod, remember that I've always supported your takes.

I'm just a little shy :'(👉👈
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 11, 2024, 02:27:32 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:19:42 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 02:16:56 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:14:31 AMHey yo @RidgeTop @Corporal Hicks @Darkness @Master Chief can we please get some assistance in here.

What if this backfires and they make ralfy a mod?
then you and I will commit ritual seppuku together, as has been foretold in the ancient texts
I will do the beheading.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:32:36 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 11, 2024, 02:27:32 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:19:42 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 02:16:56 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:14:31 AMHey yo @RidgeTop @Corporal Hicks @Darkness @Master Chief can we please get some assistance in here.

What if this backfires and they make ralfy a mod?
then you and I will commit ritual seppuku together, as has been foretold in the ancient texts
I will do the beheading.  :laugh:
It would be my honor to have you behead me.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 03:03:26 AM
Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMThere's no spamming because all of the threads are connected: if the company is involved and it makes sense for the colonists to both be excited over and then panic because of the alien ship and aliens, then that means Burke was lying to Ripley about not knowing what happened to the colony.

The company isn't involved. The Colonial Marines Technical Manual and the movie confirm this. You are wrong.

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMIs there a basis for the company having enough information about the creature? Yes: given the first movie, they instructed Mother to reroute the Nostromo to the new coordinates.

They didn't. A individual at the company rerouted the Nostromo for their own personal gain and planted Ash on board. When the Nostromo went missing, they covered their tracks to even Weyland Yutani, 57 years later when investigating, didn't know who was responsible. It's in the colonial marines technical Manual. You are wrong.

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMThat means the company had the location of the distress beacon, and thus the alien ship.

They didn't. They didn't get that until post-Alien 3 when the task force learns what Burke has done and uses the co-ordinates he instructed Hadley's Hope to investigate, as per the Colonial Marines Technical Manual. You are wrong.

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMWhy didn't the company return to LV-426? Likely it did, but the derelict ship must have been damaged by the nuclear blast such that they needed the alien from Ripley. How did they know? According to Bishop in the third movie, the Sulaco computer was sending all details on that and more to the company.

The company did return to LV-426, and retrieved two ovomorphs. The derelict was not damaged as it was 1; protected by the Ilyum range, and 2; literally days to a week travel away from the colony. Bishop said no such thing, he said the company knew everything from the Sulaco flight recorder which is the same information that he accessed; Stasis interrupted. Fire in cryogenic compartment. Emergency Escape Vehicle launched. Alien on board, was with the EEV all the way. That's what they knew at that point, and all they knew. Later, when they were 2 hours away from Fury 161, they received the CAT scan of Ripley from the EEV confirming a queen inside of her. And in the assembly cut, they got word from Aaron that Xenomorph was captured, requesting permission to terminate, which they denied. That was literally everything they knew until they retrieved Bishops body and analysed the data he was carrying. So no, you are wrong.

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMGiven that, how can we say that Burke was working alone when he was part of a division tasked to acquire alien organisms by a company that's been keenly interested in them for profit-making as early as the first movie, and even earlier if we consider the prequels?
There is not one single piece of official media that says Burke was part of a division tasked to acquire alien organisms. He wasnt. You dreamed that up to fit your argument. He is head of special projects. Interstellar commerce. Thats all. You are wrong.

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMAren't all of these part of an analysis of Aliens?

Analysis by definition is "a detailed examination of anything complex in order to understand its nature or determine its essential features." That is not what you are doing. You are inventing your own fan fiction in your head, professing it as fact, and disregarding every official source. Your whole argument in the other thread regarding canon is a straw-man attempt to include a non-canon piece of licensed media (a video game) as it's the only thing that even remotely supports your argument, even though it's clear to everyone that it does not fit the same universe as the movies. Yet you disregard primary and secondary canon (the movie itself, and official books) in favor of fantasies.

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMWhat was involved in Burke's mission?
he didn't have a mission. He was sent to file a report on what was believed to be a downed transmitter. It is in the companies interests to pay an interest in its assets.

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMThe Sulaco?

Yes, that would be the vehicle that got everyone to LV-426. That Colonial Marine Vessel. That had zero ties whatsoever to Weyland Yutani beyond the company requesting USCM investigate the loss of contact with the colony (as explained in the colonial marines technical manual) Unless, you know, you are insinuating Burke can fly through space without transport too?

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMWhich computer was sending info to the company, according to Burke? The one on the Sulaco.

Nope. They received flight recorder data post-EEV launch via the network which is standard procedure during an emergency. Burke was long dead on LV-426. You are wrong.

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMWhich one was operated by the company and manned by a synth that's supposed to work for the military (because he was tasked to, among others, operate the APC) and yet receives orders from Burke (given the second movie)? The Sulaco.

Nope The Sulaco belongs to the USCM. Not Weyland Yutani. Bishop is a droid in the service of the USMC. He received orders from everyone. You are wrong.

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMFinally, aren't all these part of the timeline?
Nope. You fabricated most of this in your head. You take the bare minimum facts and then dream up scenarios around them and think that makes them fact. You are wrong.

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMTo recap, following the prequels, the company knew about the aliens.

First, the prequels didn't exist at the time Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 were made, that is a retcon. But I will humour you on that one since it is canon; All we know is that David sent transmissions from the Covenant detailing his work. We don't know who received it. Since we know from other official sources that an individual within the company working for their own gains, likely from the science division, re-routed the Nostromo and covered their tracks after things went bad, it doesn't take a genius to determine who intercepted those transmissions. So no, the 'company' didn't know.

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMThen it formed a bio-weapons division and the ICC implemented quarantine protocols involving exposure to and smuggling dangerous organisms. Did that have anything to do with the prequels?

Again, you are making all this up in your head. The bio-weapons division already existed. Either cite a piece of official literature that says it was formed for this reason (you can't, there aren't any). That's your head-canon, your fan-fiction, like so many other things you try to pass as fact. You know a bio-weapon can be something as simple as a weaponised Covid-19 virus, right? It has nothing to do with Aliens. We have bio weapons now. You are wrong.

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMMother and W-Y were talking back-and-forth, with the latter receiving information on the coordinates of the distress beacon, whose signal was even partially decoded and said to be a warning, not a call for help. That not only indicates signs of intelligent life, but given the remoteness of the location, one that might even have tech that's as advanced as or even better than that of human beings. Hence, the reference to the bio-weapons division and the special order. Does that mean that W-Y cares to profit from them?

It means (just read the book that you used to be fond of trying to quote man!) an individual at the company became aware of a transmission of unknown origin. We don't know how they know. It's *entirely* possible that MU/TH/UR picked up the signal on the outbound journey to Theedus, prompting said individual to replace the science officer with Ash and initiate special order 937 (you have to remember, it takes a long time for messages to be sent via the network in this time period - space is vast, there is no "back-and-forth" its not a chat room).

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMW-Y had the coordinates even then, but did not bother to look for the derelict ship if we follow the arguments raised by those who think that Burke worked alone. What about Isolation, which states that they did? Or the Colonial Marines manual?

I love it when you try to quote things you haven't read and hope those reading your argument are equally oblivious as you are 😂 (some of us have these materials to hand). W-Y did not have the co-ordinates for the derelict. MU/TH/UR intercepted the transmission. Upon being re-routed to the system of origin (Zeta II Reticuli) MU/TH/UR then homes in on the beacon once in proximity. The Narcissus flight recorder, 57 years later, provided the landing location of the Nostromo. The board at the hearing weren't interested as they thought Ripley was a but-job and didn't take it seriously (especially because of her outbursts, she appears unstable) the colonial marines technical Manual confirms this. It was Burke, working aline in his own self-interests, who decided it may be profitable to investigate, and sent the co-ordinates to the colony.(also in the colonial marines technical Manual, a book you just pretended to reference). He did not involve anyone else, as if he made a major security situation out of it, administration and every one else gets involved, and he would lose exclusive rights for that ship if it exists, as it'd become a company asset. He can't sell something to the company that already belongs to them. He wants exclusive rights.

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMIn the second movie, the ICC and ECA reps don't bother to investigate the coordinates given in lifeboat recorder

Sea above. It's answered in the colonial marines technical manual. Also, what Ripley doesn't know ant the hearing is that there has been a colony on LV-426 for over 20 years and no mention of a hostile organism; another reason they think she is nuts.

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMand for some bizarre reason Ripley does not press them on to do so even if it's the only evidence she has to prove her case. Is it because according to the W-Y Report the company scrubbed the coordinates from the logs?

She did press them. It's in the movie. You should watch it. Van Lewen explains he doesn't have to investigate for reasons I just posted above.

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 01:02:07 AMIf it's only in the second movie that W-Y took interest in the derelict ship because they received the coordinates from the logs, then what happened to the same information that they received from Mother decades earlier?

They didn't. You're wrong. They didn't take interest in the derelict until after Alien 3. READ. THE. MANUAL. They didn't have the info from MU/TH/UR, that info was buried by whoever was covering their own tracks.


Not one thing you have said has been correct. Not one. You keep trying to reference a book you clearly haven't read (or you wouldn't be referencing it, as it completely goes against everything in your personal head-canon and proves you wrong time and time again). There isn't one single source out there that you can quote without adding your own made-up fantasies around to make it work for you.

Here is a challenge for you;

I've cited multiple official sources. I can even photograph them - that clearly indicate Burke was working alone, and that special order 937 was instigated by an individual (or small group of individuals) who covered their tracks and hid everything once the Nostromo went missing. And I can do that without adding my own interpretation.

Now, you do the same. Cite just ONE. ONE official source that says "Burke was part of a division dealing with alien organisms" I'll wait. One official source without your interpretation added. See, we can all do that to say he wasn't. You can't.

You have no valid argument and never did. And that is precisely why all of this is nothing but you spamming your own fan fictions and head-canon in every thread. There is a fan-fiction section specifically for that. Knock yourself out. 😘
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 03:21:32 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 03:03:26 AMIt's *entirely* possible that MU/TH/UR picked up the signal on the outbound journey to Theedus, prompting said individual to replace the science officer with Ash and initiate special order 937
For the record, according to the WY Report this is exactly what happened. Mother detected the signal while inbound to Thedus, logged it, reported it, and then the Nostromo got rerouted for the outbound journey to home in on it.

I don't know the page number off the top of my head, but I can find it if you want.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 03:36:19 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 03:21:32 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 03:03:26 AMIt's *entirely* possible that MU/TH/UR picked up the signal on the outbound journey to Theedus, prompting said individual to replace the science officer with Ash and initiate special order 937
For the record, according to the WY Report this is exactly what happened. Mother detected the signal while inbound to Thedus, logged it, reported it, and then the Nostromo got rerouted for the outbound journey to home in on it.

I don't know the page number off the top of my head, but I can find it if you want.

Ahh that's cool! I didn't know that! Thanks for the heads up (I really need to buy the WeYu Report! I may pick it up on Amazon now). 😊
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jan 11, 2024, 03:54:14 AM
Plz don't lock my Pimp My Youtube thread plz.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 03:59:31 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 03:36:19 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 03:21:32 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 03:03:26 AMIt's *entirely* possible that MU/TH/UR picked up the signal on the outbound journey to Theedus, prompting said individual to replace the science officer with Ash and initiate special order 937
For the record, according to the WY Report this is exactly what happened. Mother detected the signal while inbound to Thedus, logged it, reported it, and then the Nostromo got rerouted for the outbound journey to home in on it.

I don't know the page number off the top of my head, but I can find it if you want.

Ahh that's cool! I didn't know that! Thanks for the heads up (I really need to buy the WeYu Report! I may pick it up on Amazon now). 😊
It's a neat book, but know that (according to the author) it was meant to be the kind of coffee table book that you'd buy for someone who you know is a casual Aliens fan, hardcore turbo-fans are not the target demographic for the book. It's got some half-baked ideas and some continuity gaffes, but it's still pretty neat.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: KranfordTButcher on Jan 11, 2024, 04:37:37 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 03:59:31 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 03:36:19 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 03:21:32 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 03:03:26 AMIt's *entirely* possible that MU/TH/UR picked up the signal on the outbound journey to Theedus, prompting said individual to replace the science officer with Ash and initiate special order 937
For the record, according to the WY Report this is exactly what happened. Mother detected the signal while inbound to Thedus, logged it, reported it, and then the Nostromo got rerouted for the outbound journey to home in on it.

I don't know the page number off the top of my head, but I can find it if you want.

Ahh that's cool! I didn't know that! Thanks for the heads up (I really need to buy the WeYu Report! I may pick it up on Amazon now). 😊
It's a neat book, but know that (according to the author) it was meant to be the kind of coffee table book that you'd buy for someone who you know is a casual Aliens fan, hardcore turbo-fans are not the target demographic for the book. It's got some half-baked ideas and some continuity gaffes, but it's still pretty neat.

Broad strokes canon can be like that at times. They're often a good font of ideas too.

I seem to recall there's a stasis interrupted audio log involving Burke sending a transmission in the APC just before Ferro is called on her unfortunate flight, but yeah, Burke is primarily working based on opportunities he sees, and a lot of his plan is clearly come up with on the fly on his own.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 11, 2024, 02:27:32 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:19:42 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 02:16:56 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:14:31 AMHey yo @RidgeTop @Corporal Hicks @Darkness @Master Chief can we please get some assistance in here.

What if this backfires and they make ralfy a mod?
then you and I will commit ritual seppuku together, as has been foretold in the ancient texts
I will do the beheading.  :laugh:

Sorry, not interested. I complained to an admin about one mod, stating that they're not supposed to participate in discussions because their functions would give them an advantage over others, and I continue to support that view.

If you think I'm doing something wrong, then feel free report me to the mods and explain what I'm doing wrong. Since it's not my board, then I'll have to abide by what they want.

Meanwhile, I'd rather talk about the Alien timeline instead of little ole me. ;D




Quote from: KranfordTButcher on Jan 11, 2024, 04:37:37 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 03:59:31 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 03:36:19 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 03:21:32 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 03:03:26 AMIt's *entirely* possible that MU/TH/UR picked up the signal on the outbound journey to Theedus, prompting said individual to replace the science officer with Ash and initiate special order 937
For the record, according to the WY Report this is exactly what happened. Mother detected the signal while inbound to Thedus, logged it, reported it, and then the Nostromo got rerouted for the outbound journey to home in on it.

I don't know the page number off the top of my head, but I can find it if you want.

Ahh that's cool! I didn't know that! Thanks for the heads up (I really need to buy the WeYu Report! I may pick it up on Amazon now). 😊
It's a neat book, but know that (according to the author) it was meant to be the kind of coffee table book that you'd buy for someone who you know is a casual Aliens fan, hardcore turbo-fans are not the target demographic for the book. It's got some half-baked ideas and some continuity gaffes, but it's still pretty neat.

Broad strokes canon can be like that at times. They're often a good font of ideas too.

I seem to recall there's a stasis interrupted audio log involving Burke sending a transmission in the APC just before Ferro is called on her unfortunate flight, but yeah, Burke is primarily working based on opportunities he sees, and a lot of his plan is clearly come up with on the fly on his own.

I think it's mentioned here:

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Aliens:_Colonial_Marines_audio_logs

Quote"Received message from Weyland-Yutani Special Projects Director Burke, Carter J. Message is transcribed as follows: "I don't have a lot of time. The jarheads are checking out the pick-up spot. Look, they're gonna nuke the site. I tried to convince them otherwise, but — look, you need to send a ship now. I've already got a backup plan to get the specimens back to you but, but I can't be sure if..." Female voice heard in the distance. "Hey, company stooge, we're moving. Help me lift Gorman." Burke responds, "Alright, no problem." Message ends." — W-Y radio tech

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 12:25:01 PM
Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 09:32:06 AMI complained to an admin about one mod, stating that they're not supposed to participate in discussions because their functions would give them an advantage over others, and I continue to support that view.

Well, that must have endeared you to them. :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2024, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 12:25:01 PM
Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 09:32:06 AMI complained to an admin about one mod, stating that they're not supposed to participate in discussions because their functions would give them an advantage over others, and I continue to support that view.

Well, that must have endeared you to them. :laugh:

Can someone find the "I have no memory of this memory" GIF please? @Local Trouble

I'm still trying to decide if I think ralfy is a troll or not.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SiL on Jan 11, 2024, 01:30:36 PM
Ralfy is just Local Trouble stirring the ultimate shit.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 01:37:03 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2024, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 12:25:01 PM
Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 09:32:06 AMI complained to an admin about one mod, stating that they're not supposed to participate in discussions because their functions would give them an advantage over others, and I continue to support that view.

Well, that must have endeared you to them. :laugh:

Can someone find the "I have no memory of this memory" GIF please? @Local Trouble

I'm still trying to decide if I think ralfy is a troll or not.
Does it matter?


Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 11, 2024, 02:27:32 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:19:42 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 02:16:56 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:14:31 AMHey yo @RidgeTop @Corporal Hicks @Darkness @Master Chief can we please get some assistance in here.

What if this backfires and they make ralfy a mod?
then you and I will commit ritual seppuku together, as has been foretold in the ancient texts
I will do the beheading.  :laugh:

Sorry, not interested. I complained to an admin about one mod, stating that they're not supposed to participate in discussions because their functions would give them an advantage over others, and I continue to support that view.

If you think I'm doing something wrong, then feel free report me to the mods and explain what I'm doing wrong. Since it's not my board, then I'll have to abide by what they want.

Meanwhile, I'd rather talk about the Alien timeline instead of little ole me. ;D




Quote from: KranfordTButcher on Jan 11, 2024, 04:37:37 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 03:59:31 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 03:36:19 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 03:21:32 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 03:03:26 AMIt's *entirely* possible that MU/TH/UR picked up the signal on the outbound journey to Theedus, prompting said individual to replace the science officer with Ash and initiate special order 937
For the record, according to the WY Report this is exactly what happened. Mother detected the signal while inbound to Thedus, logged it, reported it, and then the Nostromo got rerouted for the outbound journey to home in on it.

I don't know the page number off the top of my head, but I can find it if you want.

Ahh that's cool! I didn't know that! Thanks for the heads up (I really need to buy the WeYu Report! I may pick it up on Amazon now). 😊
It's a neat book, but know that (according to the author) it was meant to be the kind of coffee table book that you'd buy for someone who you know is a casual Aliens fan, hardcore turbo-fans are not the target demographic for the book. It's got some half-baked ideas and some continuity gaffes, but it's still pretty neat.

Broad strokes canon can be like that at times. They're often a good font of ideas too.

I seem to recall there's a stasis interrupted audio log involving Burke sending a transmission in the APC just before Ferro is called on her unfortunate flight, but yeah, Burke is primarily working based on opportunities he sees, and a lot of his plan is clearly come up with on the fly on his own.

I think it's mentioned here:

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Aliens:_Colonial_Marines_audio_logs

Quote"Received message from Weyland-Yutani Special Projects Director Burke, Carter J. Message is transcribed as follows: "I don't have a lot of time. The jarheads are checking out the pick-up spot. Look, they're gonna nuke the site. I tried to convince them otherwise, but — look, you need to send a ship now. I've already got a backup plan to get the specimens back to you but, but I can't be sure if..." Female voice heard in the distance. "Hey, company stooge, we're moving. Help me lift Gorman." Burke responds, "Alright, no problem." Message ends." — W-Y radio tech


For someone who wants to talk about the Alien timeline, you're yet to do so.

Also @Acid_Reign161 seeing as how he didn't respond to anything you said, I think he might have put you on ignore.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 01:45:35 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 01:37:03 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2024, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 12:25:01 PM
Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 09:32:06 AMI complained to an admin about one mod, stating that they're not supposed to participate in discussions because their functions would give them an advantage over others, and I continue to support that view.

Well, that must have endeared you to them. :laugh:

Can someone find the "I have no memory of this memory" GIF please? @Local Trouble

I'm still trying to decide if I think ralfy is a troll or not.
Does it matter?


Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 09:32:06 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 11, 2024, 02:27:32 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:19:42 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 02:16:56 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:14:31 AMHey yo @RidgeTop @Corporal Hicks @Darkness @Master Chief can we please get some assistance in here.

What if this backfires and they make ralfy a mod?
then you and I will commit ritual seppuku together, as has been foretold in the ancient texts
I will do the beheading.  :laugh:

Sorry, not interested. I complained to an admin about one mod, stating that they're not supposed to participate in discussions because their functions would give them an advantage over others, and I continue to support that view.

If you think I'm doing something wrong, then feel free report me to the mods and explain what I'm doing wrong. Since it's not my board, then I'll have to abide by what they want.

Meanwhile, I'd rather talk about the Alien timeline instead of little ole me. ;D




Quote from: KranfordTButcher on Jan 11, 2024, 04:37:37 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 03:59:31 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 03:36:19 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 03:21:32 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 03:03:26 AMIt's *entirely* possible that MU/TH/UR picked up the signal on the outbound journey to Theedus, prompting said individual to replace the science officer with Ash and initiate special order 937
For the record, according to the WY Report this is exactly what happened. Mother detected the signal while inbound to Thedus, logged it, reported it, and then the Nostromo got rerouted for the outbound journey to home in on it.

I don't know the page number off the top of my head, but I can find it if you want.

Ahh that's cool! I didn't know that! Thanks for the heads up (I really need to buy the WeYu Report! I may pick it up on Amazon now). 😊
It's a neat book, but know that (according to the author) it was meant to be the kind of coffee table book that you'd buy for someone who you know is a casual Aliens fan, hardcore turbo-fans are not the target demographic for the book. It's got some half-baked ideas and some continuity gaffes, but it's still pretty neat.

Broad strokes canon can be like that at times. They're often a good font of ideas too.

I seem to recall there's a stasis interrupted audio log involving Burke sending a transmission in the APC just before Ferro is called on her unfortunate flight, but yeah, Burke is primarily working based on opportunities he sees, and a lot of his plan is clearly come up with on the fly on his own.

I think it's mentioned here:

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Aliens:_Colonial_Marines_audio_logs

Quote"Received message from Weyland-Yutani Special Projects Director Burke, Carter J. Message is transcribed as follows: "I don't have a lot of time. The jarheads are checking out the pick-up spot. Look, they're gonna nuke the site. I tried to convince them otherwise, but — look, you need to send a ship now. I've already got a backup plan to get the specimens back to you but, but I can't be sure if..." Female voice heard in the distance. "Hey, company stooge, we're moving. Help me lift Gorman." Burke responds, "Alright, no problem." Message ends." — W-Y radio tech


For someone who wants to talk about the Alien timeline, you're yet to do so.

Also @Acid_Reign161 seeing as how he didn't respond to anything you said, I think he might have put you on ignore.

Oh I was one of the first he put on ignore a while ago; he just can't resist checking out my comments. 🤣
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 01:47:18 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 11, 2024, 01:30:36 PMRalfy is just Local Trouble stirring the ultimate shit.

Haha, this thought had crossed my mind on several occasions... 🤣
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 01:59:59 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2024, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 12:25:01 PM
Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 09:32:06 AMI complained to an admin about one mod, stating that they're not supposed to participate in discussions because their functions would give them an advantage over others, and I continue to support that view.

Well, that must have endeared you to them. :laugh:

Can someone find the "I have no memory of this memory" GIF please? @Local Trouble

I'm still trying to decide if I think ralfy is a troll or not.

👍
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: kwisatz on Jan 11, 2024, 02:08:06 PM
^ Definitely ralfy, pain in the a**
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2024, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 01:37:03 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2024, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 12:25:01 PM
Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 09:32:06 AMI complained to an admin about one mod, stating that they're not supposed to participate in discussions because their functions would give them an advantage over others, and I continue to support that view.

Well, that must have endeared you to them. :laugh:

Can someone find the "I have no memory of this memory" GIF please? @Local Trouble

I'm still trying to decide if I think ralfy is a troll or not.
Does it matter?

It does. People not liking him isn't reason to ban him, nor is an inability to understand the films. If people don't want to engage him, they can just add him to ignore list. No-one has to engage him.

If he's deliberately trying to irritate people, then yes, I would consider him a troll and those are the people I would ban.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2024, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 01:37:03 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2024, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 12:25:01 PM
Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 09:32:06 AMI complained to an admin about one mod, stating that they're not supposed to participate in discussions because their functions would give them an advantage over others, and I continue to support that view.

Well, that must have endeared you to them. :laugh:

Can someone find the "I have no memory of this memory" GIF please? @Local Trouble

I'm still trying to decide if I think ralfy is a troll or not.
Does it matter?

It does. People not liking him isn't reason to ban him, nor is an inability to understand the films. If people don't want to engage him, they can just add him to ignore list. No-one has to engage him.

If he's deliberately trying to irritate people, then yes, I would consider him a troll and those are the people I would ban.

Can't get any fairer than that; with that in mind, I've removed my previous post made in jest in case it could also be seen as attempting to irritate. 😊👍
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:23:00 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2024, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 01:37:03 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2024, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 12:25:01 PM
Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 09:32:06 AMI complained to an admin about one mod, stating that they're not supposed to participate in discussions because their functions would give them an advantage over others, and I continue to support that view.

Well, that must have endeared you to them. :laugh:

Can someone find the "I have no memory of this memory" GIF please? @Local Trouble

I'm still trying to decide if I think ralfy is a troll or not.
Does it matter?

It does. People not liking him isn't reason to ban him, nor is an inability to understand the films. If people don't want to engage him, they can just add him to ignore list. No-one has to engage him.

If he's deliberately trying to irritate people, then yes, I would consider him a troll and those are the people I would ban.
The problem isn't that people don't like him, it's that he's derailing multiple threads with his nonsense. He has no interest in actual discussion seeing as how he puts everyone on ignore. What, exactly, can he contribute to a thread about Sm's timeline website when he has SM himself on ignore?

If he wants to just hear himself ramble, perhaps he should start a blog.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 11, 2024, 02:24:43 PM
He should have been banned a while ago. If you read his huge meaningless word salad posts you can see he's not discussing anything in good faith.

Just ignoring him doesnt work, someone is always going to try and have a discussion with him in good faith and then the whole thread is consumed.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 02:37:54 PM
For what it's worth, I second the sentiments of @Xenomrph and @426Buddy - the forum has sadly become less about Alien discussion and more the Ralfy Show for reasons mentioned above, and its non avoidable, even if we use the ignore feature. However, I can also completely understand @Corporal Hicks position / reasons on this one also.

FYI the subscriber boards allow any topic and are (currently) a safe haven (not that I'm suggesting that everyone should have to retreat on account of one person, but there aren't  many alternative work arounds sadly. 😅
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2024, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:23:00 PMThe problem isn't that people don't like him, it's that he's derailing multiple threads with his nonsense. He has no interest in actual discussion seeing as how he puts everyone on ignore. What, exactly, can he contribute to a thread about Sm's timeline website when he has SM himself on ignore?

If he wants to just hear himself ramble, perhaps he should start a blog.

If it was off-topic, then I would agree. But he's talking about the video. Whether what he's talking about has merit or not is not the question. Just ignore him and don't quote him. Hell, someone summoned him here and instigated this.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 11, 2024, 03:49:41 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 02:37:54 PM...the forum has sadly become less about Alien discussion and more the Ralfy Show for reasons mentioned above, and its non avoidable,

Non avoidable? lol

Regardless of whether he is wrong with his opinions or not, some of you were calling him! come on😅

Spoiler
(https://i.ibb.co/bBsSgWQ/Screenshot-20240111-124258-Chrome.jpg)
[close]

Best to ignore as Hicks said. And that includes me obviously, I must admit. :-X
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 03:52:01 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 01:47:18 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 11, 2024, 01:30:36 PMRalfy is just Local Trouble stirring the ultimate shit.

Haha, this thought had crossed my mind on several occasions... 🤣

Mine too.  What if this is a Tyler Durden situation for me? :o
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 11, 2024, 04:14:52 PM
Maybe the prevailing feeling is that he is worth keeping around for the appearance of a more active forum. He creates a lot of activity, even if he's just a mild mannered troll and his posts are without merit.

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 11, 2024, 03:49:41 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 11, 2024, 02:37:54 PM...the forum has sadly become less about Alien discussion and more the Ralfy Show for reasons mentioned above, and its non avoidable,

Non avoidable? lol

Regardless of whether he is wrong with his opinions or not, some of you were calling him! come on😅

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Best to ignore as Hicks said. And that includes me obviously, I must admit. :-X

That is precisely the problem though. 😅 We can ignore him all we want, but it won't matter if certain individuals summon him to the discussion, or quote him intentionally so those who do have him on ignore have to read the posts anyway. To be clear, I'm not claiming that Ralfy is solely to blame here. But even if we follow mod recommendations (which I fully intend to), it won't matter as things currently stand, evident by the 7 or 8 threads this is happening in. 😔

(https://y.yarn.co/245ec581-5586-4cbd-8629-8ee26226c666_text.gif)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 05:00:24 PM
ralfy would be the perfect forum lolcow if not for the ignore button. >:(
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Jan 11, 2024, 06:15:13 PM
I will hold my hand up and admit I shouldn't have quoted that for Ralfys attention. Stirring the pot as they say. Apologies.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: oduodu on Jan 11, 2024, 07:07:09 PM
it makes you wonder if 2 or 3 accounts doesn't belong to one and the same person.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 07:21:54 PM
I'm actually SiL and The Eighth Passenger too.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 11, 2024, 07:29:09 PM
Then dammit man, stop arguing with yourself!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 10:49:10 PM
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Jan 11, 2024, 06:15:13 PMI will hold my hand up and admit I shouldn't have quoted that for Ralfys attention. Stirring the pot as they say. Apologies.

Don't apologize.  I may call on your services again.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: kwisatz on Jan 12, 2024, 01:54:39 AM
I kinda preferred that home cinema dude. He tended to get funnily aggressive after 2-3 posts.

Reading ralfy I tend to get aggressive myself..

No one can ever take the place of RidleyScott(77?) anyway.

Now somebody clean up SM's thread...
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: ralfy on Jan 12, 2024, 03:58:31 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2024, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 12:25:01 PM
Quote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 09:32:06 AMI complained to an admin about one mod, stating that they're not supposed to participate in discussions because their functions would give them an advantage over others, and I continue to support that view.

Well, that must have endeared you to them. :laugh:

Can someone find the "I have no memory of this memory" GIF please? @Local Trouble

I'm still trying to decide if I think ralfy is a troll or not.

AFAIK, a troll is someone who resorts to personal insults.

In my case, I'm not interested in doing that or even derailing this thread. I'm more interested in the finer details of the Alien timeline because I'm a fan of the franchise. And here's what I got so far given the video recently shared and that turns out to strengthen my arguments further:

Mother sends information about a distress signal to W-Y, and the latter instructs it to re-route the ship to the coordinates of the signal. Based on their contracts, the crew is supposed to investigate the latter, and if it's something that can be monetized by the company, then the crew would get a share from the profits. Later, Mother is instructed by W-Y to tell the science officer that Special Order was to be followed, i.e., the officer is to obtain the organism and others and guarantee their transport to the company, even if it means making the crew expendable.

Several implications from this:

Either the company received the coordinates from Mother or it didn't. The latter wouldn't make sense, but if the former does, then that means the company had the coordinates throughout the period depicted by the two movies and didn't them from the lifeboat flight recorder. Since it would have made no sense for the company to investigate the location throughout, and even with a colony built on the same rock, then we can only assume that for some reason the company lost all information received from Mother.

Mother was in periodic contact with the company. If so, then that would have meant that the company knew everything that was going on in the Nostromo, just like it did when the Sulaco computer provided data throughout according to Bishop in the third movie.

Did Mother provide only flight information or more? Given the point that it was literally ran the ship while the crew was in cryo-sleep, and probably even did things like monitor the condition of the crew, then it was certainly capable of doing more than just operating as a flight recorder, and likely did, just like the Sulaco computer. Given that, for us to assume that the company knew almost nothing after it ordered the crew to investigate the signal (to explain why it did nothing for decades), then Mother stopped transmitting information to W-Y right after the crew landed on the rock, or all signals were sent but not received.





Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 11, 2024, 02:24:43 PMHe should have been banned a while ago. If you read his huge meaningless word salad posts you can see he's not discussing anything in good faith.

Just ignoring him doesnt work, someone is always going to try and have a discussion with him in good faith and then the whole thread is consumed.

You are always free to explain why my points are meaningless, and do so point-by-point as well, instead of resorting to insults.

This isn't hard to understand: the recent video shows that at least Mother had the coordinates to the signal. Why would it not send it to W-Y? Or did it and W-Y misplaced the info?




Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2024, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:23:00 PMThe problem isn't that people don't like him, it's that he's derailing multiple threads with his nonsense. He has no interest in actual discussion seeing as how he puts everyone on ignore. What, exactly, can he contribute to a thread about Sm's timeline website when he has SM himself on ignore?

If he wants to just hear himself ramble, perhaps he should start a blog.

If it was off-topic, then I would agree. But he's talking about the video. Whether what he's talking about has merit or not is not the question. Just ignore him and don't quote him. Hell, someone summoned him here and instigated this.

Right: I'm not topic, and I'm talking about the movie and the timeline. Why do you find that questionable?

I'm forced to ignore SM because he started picking on me and resorted to insults, with others following. If forum members stop doing that, then I'll unignore all of them and address each point.

In any event, what we're looking at in terms of the timeline is irrational activity from W-Y: it knows, then it doesn't, then it knows, then it doesn't. It cares, then doesn't care, then cares, then doesn't care again, and so on.

What I'm doing is speculating on the context of their actions in order to explain them, and the only thing I can consider is that in several cases they misplaced information and in others covered up their knowledge of the creatures.

In this case, it becomes harder to insist that they didn't care when they knew about the creatures as early as the prequels.



Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 11, 2024, 04:14:52 PMMaybe the prevailing feeling is that he is worth keeping around for the appearance of a more active forum. He creates a lot of activity, even if he's just a mild mannered troll and his posts are without merit.

My understanding is that there's no such thing as a "mild mannered troll." Either you're trolling or you're not. In my case, I take this seriously, and I can't help it because I'm a fan of the franchise, and that's fans do.

Given that, the difference comes in interpretation of what happened in the movies, and there are some interpretations that make sense and some that don't. I think mine do because of the prequels, several events in the three movies that can't be interpreted as based on coincidence, etc. How are those points without merit?




Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Jan 11, 2024, 06:15:13 PMI will hold my hand up and admit I shouldn't have quoted that for Ralfys attention. Stirring the pot as they say. Apologies.

If you're referring to the video, then I don't see why it's wrong for me not to know it, as it reminded fans of the interaction between W-Y and Mother. But even that would not have been needed given what happened in the prequels.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2024, 05:22:54 AM
There was no interaction between WY and Mother, which is why the video made no mention of it.

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2024, 07:57:02 AM
QuoteI'm forced to ignore SM because he started picking on me and resorted to insults, with others following. If forum members stop doing that, then I'll unignore all of them and address each point.

I'm not entirely sure that's true. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?msg=2301271)

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: oduodu on Jan 12, 2024, 08:37:43 AM
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/What_is_a_troll%3F

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Trolling is any deliberate and intentional attempt to disrupt the reliability of Wikipedia for its editors, administrators, developers, and other people who work to create content for and help run Wikipedia. Trolling is a violation of the implicit rules of Internet social spaces and is often done to inflame or invite conflict. The label necessarily involves a value judgment made by one user about the value of another's contribution. Because of this, it is considered not to be any more useful than the judgment 'I don't agree with you' by many users, who prefer to focus on behaviors instead of on presumed intent. Trolls in the Internet sense of the word are not to be confused with large warty monsters thought to dwell under bridges, in caves, etc.

Trolls are often provoking to people. So provoking to the point that people waste their time making this article about them because they are so angry at them.

Trolling is not necessarily the same as vandalism, although vandalism may be used by trolls. A vandal may just enjoy defacing a webpage, insulting random users, or spreading some personal views inappropriately. A troll deliberately exploits tendencies of human nature or of an online community to upset people. Trolling is not exclusive to Wikipedia, as it is a behavior that manifests in many online venues.

There are many types of disruptive users that are not trolls. Reversion warriors, POV warriors, cranks, impolite users, and vocal critics of Wikipedia structures and processes are not necessarily trolls.

The basic mindset of a troll is that they are far more interested in how others react to their edits than in the usual concerns of Wikipedians: accuracy, veracity, comprehensiveness, and overall quality.


Wikipedia Founder Jimbo Wales giving a lecture on dealing with trolls

A troll who has been thrown out of Mom's house, and is waiting for her to unlock the basement door again
The basic policy regarding trolling is simple: please refrain. Rule 14 of the internet also states "Do not argue with trolls—it means that they win."

Definition of Trolling
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The nature of trolls is to slip from any definition intended to constrain their actions and to find new and innovative ways to annoy. What follows are some comments that point generally in the direction of what a troll is and what trolls do. There is no enforcement against trolls on most Wikipedia projects, as it is impossible to comprehensively define all behaviors that could be considered trolling.

Trolling is a deliberate, bad faith attempt to disrupt the editing of Wikipedia. Ignorance is not trolling. Genuine dissent is not trolling. Biased editing, even if defended aggressively, is in itself not trolling. By themselves, misguided nominations, votes, and proposed policy are not trolling. They are only trolling when they are motivated by a program of malice rather than ignorance or bias. This requires a judgment of the personal motivation for another's action. Such a judgment can never be made with anything approaching certainty. This fact should always be kept in mind when one is tempted to label someone a troll.

When you try to decide if someone is a troll, strive to assume they are not. Explain errors politely and reasonably; point them towards policies, the manual of style and relevant past discussions. Do not conclude they are a troll until they have shown complete inability or unwillingness to listen to reason or to moderate their position based upon the input of others. Even in that case, it is likely better to remain silent and let others conclude the obvious instead of calling someone a troll and creating even more mayhem. It is better to humor a troll for too long than to drive away a sincere but misguided user. Remember and apply the principles laid out at w:Wikipedia:Don't bite the newcomers.

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just replace wikipedia with avpgalaxy.net


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Do not conclude they are a troll until they have shown complete inability or unwillingness to listen to reason or to moderate their position based upon the input of others. Even in that case, it is likely better to remain silent and let others conclude the obvious instead of calling someone a troll and creating even more mayhem. It is better to humor a troll for too long than to drive away a sincere but misguided user.

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Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2024, 01:09:50 PM
Well I suppose if you want to report him, you could do so for the necroposting. Some of those threads were dormant for like 6 or seven years.

The forum rules

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Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2024, 02:39:05 PM
Alright folk, enough. I think people derail these threads more talking about ralfy, then ralfy actually does himself. I'm aware of the issues around him. I'm watching him and I'm trying to determine if I think he's deliberately trying to antagonize people or not.

Now let's get back to the topic at hand and not hijack SM's thread. Thanks :)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Jan 12, 2024, 03:10:53 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 20, 2023, 02:26:39 AMNot seen it.  Just had a quick glance and it was nice of him to tell us that he was nicking Xeno Alpha and my stuff for his video before nicking it though.

Finally finished writing my own version last week.  Now editing and revising. Should run two and a half to three hours.

Might be out by this time next year but no promises.

I can not wait for your Alien 3 cut comparison video  :) I lost my original article years ago thanks to a save bug on blogger.  Lost quite a lot now stuff thanks to that glitch.  Any updates on the video @SM?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2024, 08:17:23 PM
Cheers mate. I think I've finished editing the script. Have to rewatch a VHS copy to double check if there are any differences and a VCD version to do the same. And then rewatch Wreckage & Rage for the 500th time. If I get time I might be able to record it this week.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2024, 08:35:01 PM
You know, you could probably get a lot more done if you'd just quit your job and focus on this stuff full time.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Jan 12, 2024, 08:44:49 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 12, 2024, 08:17:23 PMCheers mate. I think I've finished editing the script. Have to rewatch a VHS copy to double check if there are any differences and a VCD version to do the same. And then rewatch Wreckage & Rage for the 500th time. If I get time I might be able to record it this week.

Sweet :) thanks for the update  8)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2024, 10:10:21 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2024, 08:35:01 PMYou know, you could probably get a lot more done if you'd just quit your job and focus on this stuff full time.



Well considering my vids struggle to reach views with 3 digits and the most recent is on 3500 for some reason- I'll hand in my notice on Monday.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 12, 2024, 10:19:43 PM
You should use catchy hashtags, other social networks  to promote your YouTube videos (threads, tik-tok, X, reddit, Facebook etc) and thumbnails like these:

(https://i.ibb.co/n1ZXhVQ/Screenshot-20240112-191559-You-Tube.jpg)

Also the word EXPLAINED!!! kinda like you were yelling to your target audience😅
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2024, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 12, 2024, 10:10:21 PMWell considering my vids struggle to reach views with 3 digits and the most recent is on 3500 for some reason- I'll hand in my notice on Monday.

It's the ralfy effect.  He must be spreading the link to all the other forums that he inflicts himself on.

Also:  :laugh: @ this...

(https://i.imgur.com/1RklyX7.png)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2024, 10:28:07 PM
I don't think using flashy thumbnails or "EXPLAINED" or other sensationalism crap is good. That is what clickbaiters (and plagiarists) like to use. Best keep title and thumbnail to be exactly what is in the video. That way it is honest and right to the point.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2024, 10:28:34 PM
SM gotta eat though.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2024, 10:30:27 PM
But surely not at the expense of integrity?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 12, 2024, 10:32:30 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2024, 10:28:07 PMI don't think using flashy thumbnails or "EXPLAINED" or other sensationalism crap is good. That is what clickbaiters (and plagiarists) like to use. Best keep title and thumbnail to be exactly what is in the video. That way it is honest and right to the point.

I was joking with the thumbnails😅, but I'm serious about the rest ;)



Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2024, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 12, 2024, 10:10:21 PMWell considering my vids struggle to reach views with 3 digits and the most recent is on 3500 for some reason- I'll hand in my notice on Monday.

It's the ralfy effect.  He must be spreading the link to all the other forums that he inflicts himself on.

Also:  :laugh: @ this...

(https://i.imgur.com/1RklyX7.png)

That one must be a Trump Cultist from America 🇺🇲
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2024, 10:40:24 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2024, 10:30:27 PMBut surely not at the expense of integrity?

Whatever it takes to get clicks.  At least he's not a plagiarist, right?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2024, 10:49:00 PM
Still be a dick method though. Clickbaiting should be illegal. It is his channel though, so he can do what he wants but it would be better to stick to being honest and to straight to the point of the subject.

Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 12, 2024, 10:53:39 PM
It's not all clickbait though. Things like hashtags or social platforms are tools for people to see you in the middle of a massive sea of internet content. It might serve to build an audience. Although topic-wise speaking, I suppose there are niches more popular than others🤔
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2024, 10:53:49 PM
Sure tags and advertisements are fine, because it helps people find the video.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jan 12, 2024, 11:15:58 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2024, 10:28:07 PMI don't think using flashy thumbnails or "EXPLAINED" or other sensationalism crap is good. That is what clickbaiters (and plagiarists) like to use. Best keep title and thumbnail to be exactly what is in the video. That way it is honest and right to the point.

Weirdly, there are psychological reasons why that works. In the process of setting up content for my own channel, I've been breezing through what professionals advise and a big one is to use a juxtaposition of two conflicting words/phrases, then a 'HERE'S WHY' or 'EXPLAINED' thing.

It's horridly shallow, but it triggers part of the brain which leads to clicks from randoms. Can't say I'm a fan, but the numbers support it.

People like to see how crazy, extreme stances can be justified, basically. Or at least made sense of.

"What do you mean, X equals Y?! Oh, I have got to see this train wreck..."
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2024, 11:36:50 PM
That is true unfortunately, it works for them and people usually only realize the shallowness of the content after already given them views.

Mike Zeroh for example is a well known scumbag that is known for clickbaiting, worse is that his content is all made up etc, but unfortunately he is still gets views. When you break it down. He is getting money by tricking people. It would be fraud but since the only thing you lose is your time rather than money, its legal. 

Clickbaiting on its own is bad, its doubley so when it has little or nothing to do with the content.

I don't think SM would do that but I can understand there can be a pressure to what others do just to get by.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 13, 2024, 12:06:02 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 12, 2024, 11:15:58 PMPeople like to see how crazy, extreme stances can be justified, basically. Or at least made sense of.


Have you seen ralfy's posts? It's exactly this, and no we f**king don't want to see it.

I'm being facetious, but I can't help myself sometimes.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 13, 2024, 12:08:23 AM
I do want to see it, but I also want to be able to respond to it.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: kwisatz on Jan 13, 2024, 12:25:09 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 13, 2024, 12:08:23 AMI do want to see it, but I also want to be able to respond to it.

Just content yourself with spreading the gospel.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2024, 01:39:27 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 12, 2024, 11:15:58 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2024, 10:28:07 PMI don't think using flashy thumbnails or "EXPLAINED" or other sensationalism crap is good. That is what clickbaiters (and plagiarists) like to use. Best keep title and thumbnail to be exactly what is in the video. That way it is honest and right to the point.

Weirdly, there are psychological reasons why that works. In the process of setting up content for my own channel, I've been breezing through what professionals advise and a big one is to use a juxtaposition of two conflicting words/phrases, then a 'HERE'S WHY' or 'EXPLAINED' thing.

It's horridly shallow, but it triggers part of the brain which leads to clicks from randoms. Can't say I'm a fan, but the numbers support it.

People like to see how crazy, extreme stances can be justified, basically. Or at least made sense of.

"What do you mean, X equals Y?! Oh, I have got to see this train wreck..."

I would never consider 'EXPLAINED!'  It's beyond parody.  If people watch my stuff and dig it (or not) - great. If they don't, they don't. No big deal. It's just me talking about a bunch of films I like in my spare time.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 13, 2024, 04:29:04 PM
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Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jan 16, 2024, 02:57:43 AM
It's interesting responding to comments on Youtube that despite laying out the case pretty plainly, many people still insist 'the Company knew everything and the colony was setup on purpose to get the Aliens'.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Xenomrph on Jan 16, 2024, 03:08:16 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 16, 2024, 02:57:43 AMIt's interesting responding to comments on Youtube that despite laying out the case pretty plainly, many people still insist 'the Company knew everything and the colony was setup on purpose to get the Aliens'.
They must have played Alien Trilogy.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 16, 2024, 03:18:58 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 16, 2024, 02:57:43 AMIt's interesting responding to comments on Youtube that despite laying out the case pretty plainly, many people still insist 'the Company knew everything and the colony was setup on purpose to get the Aliens'.

I could almost hear you sighing with every reply.

Have you seen a significant bump in subscriptions?
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jan 16, 2024, 06:28:57 AM
130 in the last month, most of which in the last 10 days.  Rookie numbers prolly, but decent for my piddly little channel.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 16, 2024, 06:43:12 AM
Ever thought of including a link to here in your videos so we can get some fresh meat?  Somewhere out there is the next ralfy.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Jan 16, 2024, 07:13:00 AM
I think that's entirely unnecessary.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 16, 2024, 12:01:14 PM
You're welcome to post them on Xenopedia as either a blog or part of your profile etc. You could also post it in the discussion section, though that area is a bit of a mess, it gets overcrowed with a lot of silly stuff. But more people do seem to post there so I guess its double edged.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 04, 2024, 05:54:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgn3DUErRMk
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Some Old Dude on Feb 10, 2024, 02:31:26 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 04, 2024, 05:54:41 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgn3DUErRMk

Hey mate are you happy to clear up some DM space? I was hoping to speak to you privately about something.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 10, 2024, 05:14:49 AM
I got like 496 messages. That might take some time. I thought getting it sub 500 would free it up but it needs to be sub 100 I think.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2024, 12:23:07 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 16, 2024, 07:13:00 AMI think that's entirely unnecessary.

I just checked that video again and it's up to 44k views now, but I've seen some troubling comments:

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/PNvm3n1.png)
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Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 21, 2024, 12:30:16 AM
People are ignorant, no suprise there.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 21, 2024, 01:08:19 AM
lol - just went to go comment but can't see that reply.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2024, 01:17:56 AM
I can still see it.  Strange that you cannot.  I wonder if your feelings on this matter are clear.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 21, 2024, 01:41:01 AM
Nope, just disappeared it actually 🤔

(https://i.ibb.co/DCcRNkN/Screenshot-20240220-222355-You-Tube.jpg)

It must be a glitch 🎶

(https://s9.gifyu.com/images/SF956.gif)
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 21, 2024, 02:32:29 AM
Yeah that's what I got. Thought it might be because I was looking at it on my phone.

Oh well.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 21, 2024, 03:08:52 AM
Oh that can Explain it all. I surf the internet more through the phone and less through laptop these days. I mostly use it to play video games and watch streaming stuff.
Title: Re: Alien Timeline Updated
Post by: SM on Feb 21, 2024, 03:21:44 AM
My work computer puts a lot of restrictions on Youtube now, including all comments.