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Posted by Corporal Hicks
 - Mar 23, 2018, 09:01:18 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2017, 04:50:18 PM
Quote from: Hyperdyne120-a2 on Dec 15, 2017, 09:50:00 PM
That treatment for avp3 is so close to one I created it's scary!! Man that's weird. Mine ended up with space jockeys coming in at the end and was kind of a Star Wars-esque space battle at the end, along with 2 protags battling a space jockey in the pilot chamber at the end. Even had some sweet Space jockey creature designs which were suuuper creepy. Got the design from a Nightmare I had. Maybe I'll turn it into a comic...

I will have a more detailed write-up of that treatment up at some point. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

Ended up being later but I've nearly finished this. An early look at the WIP is up in the Subscribers board currently. We'll also be doing a video on this to go on the YouTube channel to release alongside the article.
Posted by PredBabe
 - Jan 14, 2018, 01:40:49 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 10, 2018, 04:22:40 AM
As someone who has ragged on AvP:R, this podcast made me want to go watch it again (for reasons other than research).  In the vitriol heaped on pieces of art, it's easy to forget that there are real people working extremely hard to make it.  And they're not blind to the faults, and we're not aware of the restrictions they have to work under.  And of course the Strauses aren't going to blame all the problems of AvP:R on Fox - if they want to continue their careers.

Similar to the interview with Marc Cerasini, this podcast should be called 'Perspective'.  I don't think reviewing AvP:R will make me think it's a good flick, but after some of the things he talked about, I want to have another look.  I already had another look at the striker scenes to see if there was any trace left of Kendra and Curtis.  ;D

I was aware of Crom during his time here, but my dealings with him were limited.  He seemed pretty cool which is understatement after listening to this.  I really hope Beyond Skyline does well for him.

And on top of that it really helped that Hicks and Ridgetop had done their homework in watching the film again and reviewing the script.  Sure beats the days when I used to cut the podcast and I'd be shouting in futility at the computer when someone can't remember some bit of information.  ;)

Well said and agreed.

This was a fun podcast guys, nicely done. I got a kick out of him explaining their wanting to bring Paxton into this movie. lol 

Posted by D88M
 - Jan 12, 2018, 08:32:47 PM
Ian White did a fine job as the Predator in Requiem, not so much in AVP, maybe because of so much bulk in the suit, but i miss the "alien" feeling that Kevin Peter Hall did
Posted by Corporal Hicks
 - Jan 12, 2018, 08:27:55 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 10, 2018, 10:24:30 AM
Those are the only two I've listened since my editing days and they're a big improvement.  Much more focused and informed.

It's been a good few years. I believe we've improved greatly since then and that's more indicative of the episodes in general now. Thank you for the feedback.  :)
Posted by SM
 - Jan 10, 2018, 10:24:30 AM
I did.  I listened to the ADF one too and that also showed a lot of research with you and Shevvy.

Those are the only two I've listened since my editing days and they're a big improvement.  Much more focused and informed.
Posted by Corporal Hicks
 - Jan 10, 2018, 09:54:14 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 10, 2018, 04:22:40 AM
As someone who has ragged on AvP:R, this podcast made me want to go watch it again (for reasons other than research).  In the vitriol heaped on pieces of art, it's easy to forget that there are real people working extremely hard to make it.  And they're not blind to the faults, and we're not aware of the restrictions they have to work under.  And of course the Strauses aren't going to blame all the problems of AvP:R on Fox - if they want to continue their careers.

Similar to the interview with Marc Cerasini, this podcast should be called 'Perspective'.  I don't think reviewing AvP:R will make me think it's a good flick, but after some of the things he talked about, I want to have another look.  I already had another look at the striker scenes to see if there was any trace left of Kendra and Curtis.  ;D

It really is easy to forget about the people working on the film. It's so easy to just think of the director or writer as the spearheads.

QuoteI was aware of Crom during his time here, but my dealings with him were limited.  He seemed pretty cool which is understatement after listening to this.  I really hope Beyond Skyline does well for him.

Me too. While there were aspects of the original Skyline I liked, over all I wasn't a massive fan. However, all the reviews for Beyond have me really interested. I wanted to catch it in the cinema but didn't find a showing over here. I have ordered the Blu-ray, though. Liam was a really great guest and I'm so pleased this one all came together like it did.

QuoteAnd on top of that it really helped that Hicks and Ridgetop had done their homework in watching the film again and reviewing the script.  Sure beats the days when I used to cut the podcast and I'd be shouting in futility at the computer when someone can't remember some bit of information.  ;)

I remember the comic episodes where you had to insert an "editors note" for a comic I couldn't remember the title of.  :laugh: I'd like to think we've come a long way over the years since you edited these and we recorded sporadically. Always make sure we do plenty of research. Unfortunately, I'm always going to be shit with remembering names and titles. Just something I'm awful at. I'm pretty proud of the last couple of years worth of episodes.

Glad you seemed to have enjoyed it.  :)
Posted by SM
 - Jan 10, 2018, 04:22:40 AM
As someone who has ragged on AvP:R, this podcast made me want to go watch it again (for reasons other than research).  In the vitriol heaped on pieces of art, it's easy to forget that there are real people working extremely hard to make it.  And they're not blind to the faults, and we're not aware of the restrictions they have to work under.  And of course the Strauses aren't going to blame all the problems of AvP:R on Fox - if they want to continue their careers.

Similar to the interview with Marc Cerasini, this podcast should be called 'Perspective'.  I don't think reviewing AvP:R will make me think it's a good flick, but after some of the things he talked about, I want to have another look.  I already had another look at the striker scenes to see if there was any trace left of Kendra and Curtis.  ;D

I was aware of Crom during his time here, but my dealings with him were limited.  He seemed pretty cool which is understatement after listening to this.  I really hope Beyond Skyline does well for him.

And on top of that it really helped that Hicks and Ridgetop had done their homework in watching the film again and reviewing the script.  Sure beats the days when I used to cut the podcast and I'd be shouting in futility at the computer when someone can't remember some bit of information.  ;)
Posted by SizzyBubbles
 - Jan 05, 2018, 05:19:23 AM
I really enjoyed listening to this podcast. I feel like so little is known about the production of this film as it's not very popular... it was really cool to hear all these behind the scenes tid-bits! I am so informed!
Posted by Kailem
 - Dec 30, 2017, 08:39:56 PM
Just had a listen, that was very interesting stuff! I too am always a fan of hearing from people who actually worked on the films. Any little nugget of new information is like gold, and it's especially cool to hear the reasoning behind how certain things turned out or about things we never got to see.

I actually really liked Liam's pitch for AVP3. At first when he said he'd imagined it taking place in Africa I thought "isn't that a little on-the-nose for a Predator film?", but when he actually explained it in more detail towards the end there I thought it was great! It could have given us a really great bridge between the world as it exists today and the corporate-driven future world of Alien. It sounded like it could have had some of that really great world building that we got in the first two Alien films if it was done right, and expanded the universe in a cool way. Alas, what could have been.....

I never actually had a problem with the overall premise for AVPR. I certainly had issues with how it was ultimately handled, but I don't think the fact that it wasn't set in the future and/or in space meant it was impossible to tell a good AVP tale. Honestly I preferred the setting here to that of the first AVP. Granted I think an AVP set in the future is still what we all want to see, but that sounds like a really cool idea for a third one, if it were once again to be set on Earth.

And it's funny to hear first-hand from someone who was there about the execs at Fox wanting the Predalien to cloak. I get their whole thing of wanting audience to see something they haven't seen before (they are; the Predalien!), but it still has to, y'know, make sense. :laugh: And that would have been crazy if they'd actually gotten Bill Paxton to play the chef. Funny for sure and kinda cool, but it definitely would have taken you right out of the movie like you say.

I kinda feel bad for the Strauses after listening to this, it sounds like they got hamstrung with a bunch of stuff they didn't really want to do and on top of all that they barely got to shoot any of the actual Alien or Predator scenes themselves. I can only imagine how disappointed I'd be if I'd gotten the chance to direct an AVP film and then had someone else do the majority of the actual AVP stuff. I guess that's part of why Guillermo del Toro never has a second unit. :D

Great works guys, this was a very cool listen indeed!
Posted by HuDaFuK
 - Dec 21, 2017, 11:28:49 AM
Haven't had a chance yet, but I'm really looking forward to giving this one a spin.
Posted by Huggs
 - Dec 20, 2017, 05:19:05 AM
"Considering how laughably watered down AvP was, they really didn't have to go as stupid as they did. "

I see where you're coming from here. It was definitely an apology wrapped in a lot of gooey red stuff. I just happened to like the gooey red stuff. So I was cool with it. And absolutely, AVP1 was like the GhostRider of the AVP movies. It was so watered down I half expected little flags that said "bang" to pop out of the guns.
Posted by SM
 - Dec 20, 2017, 05:05:03 AM
Of course.  AvPR was just gratuitous though.

Considering how laughably watered down AvP was, they really didn't have to go as stupid as they did.
Posted by Huggs
 - Dec 20, 2017, 04:57:19 AM
"I found killing children and pregnant women to be more juvenile than grown up"

I do see your point. I merely meant the violent content was more mature than AVP1. Which, in my opinion, was a necessary and welcome change. That being said, I don't see the xenomorphs as being a very merciful bunch. Unleashing them and a Predalien inside a hospital can result in this sort of thing.
Posted by SM
 - Dec 20, 2017, 04:39:15 AM
I found killing children and pregnant women to be more juvenile than grown up.
Posted by Huggs
 - Dec 20, 2017, 04:25:15 AM
"AVP bores me because it clearly doesn't care about the characters, and the one fight scene between the titular monsters isn't really what it could have been".

This is true. The characters and their development in the first film were just terrible. B-movie quality for certain. As for the creatures, Net-head was a force to be reckoned with in AVP1. Then after they tagged, there came Wolf in AVPR to pretty much destroy everything and everyone. While the fights between the creatures exclusively weren't nearly as good as they could be, the sewer fight and the predator fight inside the hospital were short, but solid efforts.

"AVPR bores me because the movie just seems to be moving from scene-to-scene with no real point other than gore, gore, gore, gore. "

I'll admit, this is exactly why I love AVPR. When you think about it, it's hard to imagine these two species running wild in a town without massive and constant carnage. The aliens biology will have them host-hunting incessantly, and Wolf is in full blow "fix-it-felix mode" here. The film has some genuinely scary moments in the midst of serious carnage too. The scene where wolf is spotted by the police officer in the woods, his eyes shining in the dark, it really felt like an old school Predator moment. But, when the guard rolled into town and was engaged by the Aliens, I was honestly grinning from ear to ear. It was probably the closest we've come to anything resembling Cameron's Aliens since 1986. The journey through the hospital, the predator fight inside the hospital, the human fight through the hospital, the power plant scene, I think AVPR actually brought quite a bit to the table. Heck-fire, it even worked Yutani into the plot before it closed.

AVPR might not have been perfect, but it had guts, in every sense of the saying. It was a more grown up approach to the subject matter, and it felt like there was an affection for the creatures there (on behalf of the directors) that wasn't present in the first film. I think the brothers really gave a dang, and aside from ditching the migraine inducing darkness from AVPR, I wouldn't hesitate to give them a shot at AVP3, should Disney allow another "R" rated AVP. That may well depend on the success of Predator 2018.
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