Poll
Question:
Hearing the positive reactions @SXSW how excited are you NOW!!
Option 1: Super pumped!!
votes: 37
Option 2: Okay just a little bit more.
votes: 7
Option 3: Nah still hasn't moved me.
votes: 11
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Via DailyDead:
QuoteLast month it was announced that Ridley Scott's horror classic Alien will be screening at this year's SXSW Film Festival in Austin, and now it's been revealed that the screening will include special guests Scott, Michael Fassbender, and Danny McBride, as well as a sneak peek of Scott's new film, Alien: Covenant.
The special screening of Alien and the Alien: Covenant sneak peek will take place on March 10th at 10:00pm CT at the Paramount Theatre in Austin, TX. While Scott and Alien: Covenant co-stars Fassbender and McBride will be in attendance, it's not yet known if an audience Q&A will take place or how much footage of Alien: Covenant attendees will be treated to. Daily Dead will be on site with live coverage of the festival, and we'll be sure to keep you updated on this event .
"20th Century Fox is taking you back to the original terror that taught us in space no one can hear you scream. Join director Ridley Scott with Michael Fassbender and Danny McBride to re-experience the original 1979 film and catch a sneak peek of their new film "Alien: Covenant" that will be in theaters May 19, 2017."
http://dailydead.com/ridley-scott-danny-mcbride-michael-fassbender-to-attend-sxsw-2017-with-sneak-peek-of-alien-covenant/ (http://dailydead.com/ridley-scott-danny-mcbride-michael-fassbender-to-attend-sxsw-2017-with-sneak-peek-of-alien-covenant/)
Great.
Very, very close to home...
Quote from: lv_226 on Feb 16, 2017, 05:59:35 PM
Very, very close to home...
Why not take a chance. 8)
Was just about to post this in the social media thread. Beat me to it, Himmel!
Also, how much do you want to bet that it will just be the same showcase footage?
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 16, 2017, 06:19:15 PM
Was just about to post this in the social media thread. Beat me to it, Himmel!
Also, how much do you want to bet that it will just be the same showcase footage?
Who knows?
I'd hope it'd be something new but since that footage hasn't been shown to the general public, it'd make sense for them to show it there.
It's funny because we'll complain if we see too much but we'll complain if we don't see what we consider enough.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 16, 2017, 06:40:07 PM
I'd hope it'd be something new but since that footage hasn't been shown to the general public, it'd make sense for them to show it there.
It's funny because we'll complain if we see too much but we'll complain if we don't see what we consider enough.
If the internet has shown me anything, it's that hype can give people serious double standards.
And then one day, one magic day, Ridley Michael and Danny passed their way.
If I lived in Texas I would go...but I dont.
I really can't wait to see Danny McBride in this, I don't think I've ever seen him do a serious role
Quote from: PVTDukeMorrison on Feb 16, 2017, 09:47:01 PM
I really can't wait to see Danny McBride in this, I don't think I've ever seen him do a serious role
Even in his comedic roles, he delivers gravitas and moments of solemnity.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 16, 2017, 06:40:07 PM
I'd hope it'd be something new but since that footage hasn't been shown to the general public, it'd make sense for them to show it there.
It's funny because we'll complain if we see too much but we'll complain if we don't see what we consider enough.
You're just like the rest of us Hicks... Stop pretending you don't.
Danny McBride is one of the best actors in Hollywood right now. No doubt in my mind he's going to deliver an awesome performance.
Has anyone booked tickets then? ;D
http://movieweb.com/alien-covenant-ripley-mom-rumor-ridley-scott-katherine-waterston/
QuoteRidley Scott recently participated in a roundtable discussion about Alien: Covenant at SXSW in Austin. I was lucky enough to be at the roundtable and at one point the director was asked point blank whether or not Daniels was related to Ripley, which has been a popular theory up to this point. The director made it clear that isn't going to be the case, but did imply that it was at least brought up at one point or another. Here is what he had to say about it.
"No. That was probably way back when. 'Should she be the daughter of Ripley?' I said 'no.' She's herself."
Daughter of Ripley?! That would have involved some voodoo magic! Or Barry Allen has been at it again.
http://ew.com/movies/2017/03/10/alien-sequels/?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter
Quote"Alien vs. Predator really f—ing nailed [the franchise] into the ground," Scott told EW during a panel discussion at the Nat Geo Further Base Camp at the South by Southwest Film Festival in Austin, Texas on Friday. "I thought about that for awhile, and I said, 'I can bring this back.' And here's the cause and effect: We resurrected it with Prometheus, which had two really good questions that the others weren't asking: Who made [the aliens] and why? Prometheus set that up. [Covenant] answers 'who and why.' Then it leaves all kinds of questions for the next two, or three, or four. Covenant 2 is already being written as I speak right now."
We asked him to confirm that: Two or three or four more films?
"You never know," he said. "We'll see how well it plays. There's a lot of potential in this one. It's not just what you might expect. There are a lot of interesting questions that are pretty fascinating — about creation, who are we, and where do we come from ... As you develop something and make something, all kinds of notions evolve."
Noted Covenant co-star Danny McBride: "What was so awesome about this script was that I was a humungous fan of this series and then when I got the script and it was f—ing awesome. It's so dark. It starts in a dark place and only gets more brutal. I thought I was going to come in here and crack some jokes and then have something explode from my stomach and I was excited that I have a lot more to do than that."
http://www.tracking-board.com/ridley-scott-delivers-with-terrifying-scenes-from-alien-covenant/
QuoteBefore revealing a handful of scenes from ALIEN: COVENANT, director Ridley Scott said one thing: "My goal remains the same, to scare the shit out of you." Well, based on the scenes shown at SXSW tonight, it seems like he's going to succeed once more.
Set after the events of Prometheus and before the original Alien films, Covenant follows the crew of the colony ship Covenant as they find a remote paradise island — as well as the monstrous creatures from the first Alien films. At the Paramount theater, Scott introduced three scenes from the upcoming film (no spoilers):
The first scene shows the Covenant crew discovering the planet and jettisoning off an away team to the planet's surface, including Walter (Michael Fassbender), a synthetic android, and Daniels (Katherine Waterston), while some crew members, including Tennessee (Danny McBride), stay behind on the Covenant. The away team hits some turbulence on the way down and the scene also shows the crew's camaraderie.
The second scene is where things started to get scary — very scary. The away team is rushing back to their ship, with two in the lead, one of whom has been badly injured and ill. As he's taken to the med bay, a moment with a twist on Alien's chestburster scene happens (there's a brief shot of this in the trailer) and then everything gets so much worse. It's truly a terrifying sequence, but also exhilarating, if the audience's cheers were anything to go by. The rest of the away team, still somewhat behind, makes their way to the aircraft while all of this is happening, only to reveal one of their group's crewmembers is sick as well.
David (Fassbender), the android from the Prometheus mission, shows Oram (Billy Crudup), Covenant's first mate, his alien experiments and things quickly get sinister from there.
Finally, the audience was also treated to a commercial of the creation of Walter as well as a redband version of the Covenant trailer.
The energy was electric in the theater, especially as actors Waterston, McBridge, and Fassbender made their way on stage with Scott to discuss the film. Where fans were split on Prometheus, it seems Covenant might succeed in being better received across the board. It has an excellent cast and premise and the tone of the film seems perfect for this horrifying sci-fi franchise.
QuoteThe #AlienCovenant footage I saw was excellent. More on that very soon. #sxsw2017
https://twitter.com/RyanScottWrites/status/840452827566727168
QuoteWasn't too impressed with the footage for ALIEN: COVENANT. It's the future and they still can't have good radio signal. Poor bastards. #SXSW
https://twitter.com/PrestonBarta/status/840458295932465153
QuoteAlien: Covenant footage at #sxsw - raw, intense, and addictive. Feels like what he always wanted franchise to be. #alien #AlienCovenant
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https://twitter.com/jimmyjohenning/status/840422245617041408
Quote"What was it like to play a non-human?" Fassbender: "Easy. I'm half German." @sxsw ends with a scary bang thanks to @AlienAnthology
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https://twitter.com/neftalirr/status/840419431901720576
QuoteThe 12 minutes of #AlienCovenant shown at #sxsw2017 was absolutely terrifying, in the best possible way.
https://twitter.com/RaminSetoodeh/status/840418204153438208
QuoteFox coming in strong with Alien Covenant swag!
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https://twitter.com/EricVespe/status/840408876419817472
Must find out of these!
QuoteWasn't interested in ALIEN: COVENANT. Franchise seems past its expiration date, disliked PROMETHEUS. A:C clips at #SXSW turned me around.
https://twitter.com/jasondashbailey/status/840431668750094336
Quote10 minutes of AMAZING clips from #AlienCovenant Thank you Ridley Scott! #sxsw
https://twitter.com/sxsean/status/840424971734286336
QuoteJust saw footage from #AlienCovenant and Oh. My. God. It's going to be insane. #AMovieGuySXSW @sxsw
https://twitter.com/LeosAMovieGuy/status/840419315056807936
QuoteWatched 15 minutes of ALIEN: COVENANT. Slick, really violent, big revelation about series mythos. Looks promising.
https://twitter.com/JacobSHall/status/840418906011533313
QuoteSXSW Day One. A mess of journalists and bloggers. A small room at Trio, the restaurant at the Four Seasons. Director Ridley Scott and actors Katherine Waterston and Danny McBride, there to talk about the new movie "Alien: Covenant." Let's do this.
Ridley Scott would like to do "Alien" movies indefinitely. "('Covenant') is, dare I say, clever and violent and everything you kinda want," Scott said. "I think it's a cut above what's happened before and leaves all kinds of things open for the next one. I enjoy doing them so much I would like it to go on forever."
Scott does not believe an AI could be authentically creative. "Can you have a computer write a book or a screenplay or a poem?," he said. "Yeah, but it's always going to be very derivative and only based on what has been done in trillions of different ways before, so it's going to be a cross-collateralization. It can only be that."
Whereas Waterston takes a grimmer view. "A human can't replace an ant, but it can kill it, and that's what's so scary about it," she said. "They might not be able to write a poem as beautifully as Robert Lowell, but they can kill you." No word on the forthcoming John Ashbery robot CalTech is working on.
Tell us all your thoughts on God. Scott talked about hanging out with mathematicians and physicists while making "The Martian" and what happened when they were asked if they believed in God. Four raised their hands. One of the mathematicians apparently said, "When I come against a wall in mathematics, I am constantly impressed in who invented this wall because I know there is an answer on the other side."
This led Scott to equating God with that which is superior to us that we cannot understand. Which led into Scott discussing a conversation with Carl Sagan 30 years ago and in which Sagan said, according to Scott: "'There will be no aliens discovered in your lifetime or mine' ... I said, 'Lighten up, Carl, it's only a movie.' And now, 30 years on, NASA has said there are trillions of evolutions around us in space. Science and mathematics is art at that level." Sure.
Were Waterston's character to be dropped into the original "Alien," she would be hanging in the bowels of the ship. "I would want to be hanging out with Harry Dean Stanton and Yaphet Kotto," Waterston said.
McBride's family thinks he has leveled up in the world. With "Covenant," McBride said, "My parents finally think I am making real movies now."
Scott wants you to do your job. "When I first met Ridley," Waterston said, "he was like, 'I hire people who I think are good at acting, and I let them do their thing and figure it out and if they're doing something really idiotic I'll tell them but I mostly like to leave them alone. I know what the (beep) I'm doing, you should know what the (beep) you're doing, you show it to me and then we go have dinner.' It's not rocket science."
"My best compliment" to an actor, Scott added, "is, '(Beep) me, I never thought of that. Cut.' She does that and he does that and that is why I take great care casting."
Why Scott kept women at the center of the "Alien" films. "The first one did so well, why change anything?"
McBride's sweet hat was Scott's idea. As the blue collar (his words) pilot Tennessee, McBride is rocking a straw hat that gives him a very day-six-of-SXSW-at-4-a.m. vibe. "It was an homage to Slim Pickens in 'Doctor Strangelove,'" McBride said.
http://movies.blog.austin360.com/2017/03/10/nine-things-we-learned-about-alien-covenant-at-sxsw/
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https://twitter.com/katherinenews17/status/840327053807247360
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/ridley-scotts-alien-covenant-makes-sxsw-scream-1202006722/
QuoteScott re-emerged for a Q&A with his cast and he momentarily forgot the full name of his star. That would be Katherine Waterston ("Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them"), who continues a tradition started by Sigourney Weaver. "She's a very strong female," Scott said.
Waterston didn't know what part she was meeting for when she landed the lead. "You kind of have to not think of how awesome it is when you're shooting or you wouldn't be able to function," she said, adding that a director friend would send her email reminders that Daisy Ridley from "Star Wars" had a strong sprint. "I was really obsessed with my run. I still think I look like a Fraggle. But I f–king tried."
Michael Fassbender, who appeared in "Prometheus," plays an android in the new movie that sounds like R2-D2 by way of Norman Bates. How did he pull off the robotic character? "Easy," the actor joked. "I'm half German."
I'm intrigued by this quote -
QuoteScott does not believe an AI could be authentically creative. "Can you have a computer write a book or a screenplay or a poem?," he said. "Yeah, but it's always going to be very derivative and only based on what has been done in trillions of different ways before, so it's going to be a cross-collateralization. It can only be that."
Perhaps that theory that David is merely recreating the Alien has some credence.
Sounds promising, here's hoping for the best. Inspite of what qualities Alien Covenant will have I've no doubt some fan boys will bitch and moan regardless. :-[
We need a gif based on an Engineer riding the Hype Train :D
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https://twitter.com/fassbenderdaily/status/840482445124370433
Only good things!
Covenant is going to be fantastic!
2h20.
Two or three or four more films? Now I'm starting to wonder if it'll be Scott that ends up making the alternate Alien 3.
These reactions are further giving me hope that Covenant will be nothing short of amazing
Quote from: Stolen on Mar 11, 2017, 09:20:56 AM
Only good things!
Covenant is going to be fantastic!
2h20.
i keep hearing 2 hr and 2h20... which is it?
Quote from: Stolen on Mar 11, 2017, 09:20:56 AM
Only good things!
Covenant is going to be fantastic!
2h20.
Agreed.
Lol!!!
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/840412039772164096 (https://mobile.twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/840412039772164096)
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 11, 2017, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: Stolen on Mar 11, 2017, 09:20:56 AM
Only good things!
Covenant is going to be fantastic!
2h20.
says tweet does not exist
Agreed.
Lol!!!
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/840412039772164096 (https://mobile.twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/840412039772164096)
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 11, 2017, 11:40:49 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 11, 2017, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: Stolen on Mar 11, 2017, 09:20:56 AM
Only good things!
Covenant is going to be fantastic!
2h20.
says tweet does not exist
Agreed.
Lol!!!
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/840412039772164096 (https://mobile.twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/840412039772164096)
Fixed it. 8)
He said: "roughly two hours and two minutes"
Regarding that poll, I'm super pumped. I mean we get aliens and then ALIENS. I just can't lose here. :P
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that would look like a neomorph facehugger to me!
also, PLEASE tell me those 12 minutes of footage is available somehow!
and....that Fassbender quote about half-german was awesome
After being initially downbeat with the first trailer at Christmas, I must say my faith for Covenant has now been restored.
Really enjoying what I'm seeing and reading now. This has real potential to be the film I wanted Prometheus to be.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 11, 2017, 08:35:01 AM
I'm intrigued by this quote -
QuoteScott does not believe an AI could be authentically creative. "Can you have a computer write a book or a screenplay or a poem?," he said. "Yeah, but it's always going to be very derivative and only based on what has been done in trillions of different ways before, so it's going to be a cross-collateralization. It can only be that."
Perhaps that theory that David is merely recreating the Alien has some credence.
Couldn't agree more.
I think this quote and the evidence from Prometheus adds a lot to the theory that the LV-223 Engineers were trying to resurrect the alien in the mural. Either the black goo is a mixture of a mutagen and that creatures DNA. Or the goo is the first life cycle phase of the creature and is made up of millions of microscopic parasites, which attack and then mutate their host on contact.
Humanities part in all this. We were always meant to be hosts for the creature. That was the sole purpose of a our creation.
David's now following in the footsteps of the Engineers and trying to complete their failed experiment.
If the rumour is true:
Spoiler
And David bombs the citadel using the second juggernaut him and Shaw commandeered at the end of Prometheus.
Then as others have already speculated. I suspect that not all of the Engineers are infected during the initial strike and retaliate. Shooting down the Juggernaut, before trying to stop the outbreak spreading, by burning the infected.
The Juggernaut crashes into a waterfall, releasing the remaining black goo into the water supply and the spores and Neo-morph's wipe out the remaining Engineers. David's then left free to continue on with his Frankenstein experiments at the citadel, with only Shaw standing in his way.
Needing more hosts for his creations, David lures the Covenant, by using a communication beacon Shaw recovered from Vickers lifeboat, before leaving LV-223.
Because the company thinks the SOS is from the Prometheus, its rated as high priority. And the Covenant is then redirected, Nostromo style, to investigate.
"roughly two hours and two minutes."
This can't be true!.. Very small. Very.
Quote from: cliffhanger on Mar 11, 2017, 12:02:50 PM
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that would look like a neomorph facehugger to me!
also, PLEASE tell me those 12 minutes of footage is available somehow!
and....that Fassbender quote about half-german was awesome
I thought neomorphs are injected through spores
Still not won over.
Btw whats the purpose of Prometheus if we have Covenant now? Its like a reworked Alienized Prometheus.
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 11, 2017, 01:16:39 PM
Btw whats the purpose of Prometheus if we have Covenant now? Its like a reworked Alienized Prometheus.
Interesting because it looks a lot like a prometheus sequel to me, with aliens and a more horror tone.
Story looks to focus heavily on david 8 and what he's been up to since prometheus. Like a lot of Scotts films he goes back and reworks some old ideas he didnt use and puts them into his new film.
It does seem to incorporate a lot of the unused bits from the alien engineers script. I would say its a sequel and a mix of what prometheus was originally intended to be.
So,
Spoiler
One of the Neomorphs bursts trough someones mouth because the person fell on his back.
That makes more sense now.
My theory is neomorphs from spores n xenos from eggs. His experiments evolving say
:(
Quote from: Trucker on Mar 11, 2017, 03:16:01 PM
My theory is neomorphs from spores n xenos from eggs. His experiments evolving say
Seems like it. Looks like David is trying to perfect the delivery system. Maybe the queen is just another tangent of the reproductive process.
Quote"No. That was probably way back when. 'Should she be the daughter of Ripley?' I said 'no.' She's herself."
Wonder if this quote could mean the project was originally going to be set after '
Alien'.
QuoteScott does not believe an AI could be authentically creative. "Can you have a computer write a book or a screenplay or a poem?," he said. "Yeah, but it's always going to be very derivative and only based on what has been done in trillions of different ways before, so it's going to be a cross-collateralization. It can only be that."
In other words, he unwittingly sees AI as comparable to Hollywood...
So there will be three more films after Covvie... And it will be called Covenant 2!! 8)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 11, 2017, 03:41:33 PM
Quote"No. That was probably way back when. 'Should she be the daughter of Ripley?' I said 'no.' She's herself."
Wonder if this quote could mean the project was originally going to be set after 'Alien'.
Looks very much like that way.
He probably deeply thought of it while thinking him and Cameron could work on Alien V.
For some reasons it never happened but I'm sure he had a lot of ideas concerning it.
It's probably what ended up in Prometheus.
I don't think it's literally going to be titled 'Covenant 2', Himmel, any more than this film was titled 'Prometheus 2'.
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 11, 2017, 12:16:35 PM
After being initially downbeat with the first trailer at Christmas, I must say my faith for Covenant has now been restored.
Really enjoying what I'm seeing and reading now. This has real potential to be the film I wanted Prometheus to be.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 11, 2017, 08:35:01 AM
I'm intrigued by this quote -
QuoteScott does not believe an AI could be authentically creative. "Can you have a computer write a book or a screenplay or a poem?," he said. "Yeah, but it's always going to be very derivative and only based on what has been done in trillions of different ways before, so it's going to be a cross-collateralization. It can only be that."
Perhaps that theory that David is merely recreating the Alien has some credence.
Couldn't agree more.
I think this quote and the evidence from Prometheus adds a lot to the theory that the LV-223 Engineers were trying to resurrect the alien in the mural. Either the black goo is a mixture of a mutagen and that creatures DNA. Or the goo is the first life cycle phase of the creature and is made up of millions of microscopic parasites, which attack and then mutate their host on contact.
Humanities part in all this. We were always meant to be hosts for the creature. That was the sole purpose of a our creation.
David's now following in the footsteps of the Engineers and trying to complete their failed experiment.
If the rumour is true:
Spoiler
And David bombs the citadel using the second juggernaut him and Shaw commandeered at the end of Prometheus.
Then as others have already speculated. I expect that not all of the Engineers are infected during the initial strike and retaliate. Shooting down the Juggernaut, before trying to stop the outbreak spreading, by burning the infected.
The Juggernaut crashes into a waterfall, releasing the remaining black goo into the water supply and the spores and Neo-morph's wipe out the remaining Engineers. David's then left free to continue on with his Frankenstein experiments at the citadel, with only Shaw standing in his way.
Needing more hosts for his creations, David lures the Covenant, by using a communication beacon Shaw recovered from Vickers life boat, before leaving LV-223.
Because the company thinks the SOS is from the Prometheus, its rated as high priority. And the Covenant is then redirected, Nostromo style, to investigate.
Interesting thought on humans being created merely as hosts for the alien. How would that relate to the idea raised in Prometheus that the Engineers were preparing to destroy humanity? Also seems like there's a possible religious component.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 11, 2017, 03:51:28 PM
I don't think it's literally going to be titled 'Covenant 2', Himmel, any more than this film was titled 'Prometheus 2'.
Yeah I know, was just going off of one of the articles.
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 11, 2017, 12:16:35 PM
Needing more hosts for his creations, David lures the Covenant, by using a communication beacon Shaw recovered from Vickers life boat, before leaving LV-223.
Because the company thinks the SOS is from the Prometheus, its rated as high priority. And the Covenant is then redirected, Nostromo style, to investigate.
Spoiler
Apparently it's a garbled holo-recording originating from the crashed derelict that the Covenant receives. When McBride finally manages to decipher it, it turns out to be a hologram of a sick-looking Shaw singing a creepy/eerie song.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 11, 2017, 03:41:33 PM
Quote"No. That was probably way back when. 'Should she be the daughter of Ripley?' I said 'no.' She's herself."
Wonder if this quote could mean the project was originally going to be set after 'Alien'.
More likely he just confused daughter with mother. Covenant/Prometheus 2 was always going to take place before Alien as far as I can remember.
Not entirely sure about all of that, but that's more due to the various scripts and stories being re-written and changed.
For example, the original working title for Covenant was Paradise Lost, iirc.
it then became: Alien : Paradise iirc, and then Alien : Covenant.
meanwhile, i remember that Alien 5 - obviously AFTER the Alien 1 and 2 events - got 'rewritten' or put on hold due to Ridley's plans with the franchise.
So i wouldn't be surprised if some stuff got mixed in between all of this.
more interestingly though, is that though i don't like the idea that David would be given a too big of a role in the franchise and we'd turn the franchise more away from the xeno into the android, in regarding the obvious fact that David as said by Weyland, 'does not age, and will never die'.
Theoretically, this means that David could actually be used in a story hundreds of years after prometheus' events.
As in, david could potentially be put into a sequal by ridley that is a sequel to the original 2 movies......
again, not the biggest fan of that idea, but it is oddly enough possible, as long as david doesn't get damaged beyond repair.
Quote from: cliffhanger on Mar 11, 2017, 04:29:58 PM
Not entirely sure about all of that, but that's more due to the various scripts and stories being re-written and changed.
For example, the original working title for Covenant was Paradise Lost, iirc.
it then became: Alien : Paradise iirc, and then Alien : Covenant.
That's par the course for most films though. Prometheus started out as Untitiled Alien Prequel then became Alien: LV-426, then Alien: Genesis, then Alien: Origins, then Alien: Engineers, then Alien: Zero and finally Prometheus. But it was always intended to be set before Alien.
Quotemeanwhile, i remember that Alien 5 - obviously AFTER the Alien 1 and 2 events - got 'rewritten' or put on hold due to Ridley's plans with the franchise.
It was put on hold but only one minor script change was requested by Ridley.
Very good to see they aren't going the route where Waterston is Ripley's mom. However, this BS with David somehow fabricating these eggs without explanation is terribly weak.
They could at least show him using the black goo on the spores or something. Also, where is David getting the specimens to make these "failed" creatures? Is he inbreeding them?
Once again, my problem with this Prometheus mythology is they need to explain exactly what this black Goo is and does. Right now it's just a deus ex machina and it's ruining the realism angle for me. I'm surprised no one else is bothered by this TBH.
Circa 15 minutes a film does not make... however, it's better that the feedback is positive...
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Needing more hosts for his creations, David lures the Covenant, by using a communication beacon Shaw recovered from Vickers life boat, before leaving LV-223.
Because the company thinks the SOS is from the Prometheus, its rated as high priority. And the Covenant is then redirected, Nostromo style, to investigate.
Spoiler
Apparently it's a garbled holo-recording originating from the crashed derelict that the Covenant receives. When McBride finally manages to decipher it, it turns out to be a hologram of a sick-looking Shaw singing a creepy/eerie song.
I guess you could explain it away with her going stir crazy or delirious from sickness. But If that's true, it would certainly be inconsistent to Shaw's behaviour from Prometheus. After all, she was willing to sacrifice everything to stop the black goo from getting to earth and even left a warning message to stay away from LV-223. So knowing Paradise is contaminated with the stuff, why would she risk bringing other humans there and spreading the infection back to earth?
That's why it made more sense to me, that it was David.
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 11, 2017, 03:59:33 PM
Interesting thought on humans being created merely as hosts for the alien. How would that relate to the idea raised in Prometheus that the Engineers were preparing to destroy humanity? Also seems like there's a possible religious component.
By dumping the black goo on earth they would be wiping us out and replacing us with the creature. As David said – 'Sometimes to create, you have to destroy.'
Correct me if I'm wrong? - But didn't RS once say he saw the Alien as a planet cleaner? - You dump it on a planet somewhere and it wipes out the indigenous species, so you can start over again.
I also remember one interview with Lindelof and Spaihts suggesting the earth is maybe little more than a petri dish to the Engineers. Maybe they were just cultivating us to be hosts?
As for the religious reasons. I think the whole 'Space Jesus' thing was always meant as a joke. It was certainly meant as a joke by Holloways character in Spaihts original Alien: Engineers script.
I do remember RS mentioning the rise of the Roman Empire as another potential reason. The Engineers feeling we were growing out of their control, worried as we became more technologically advanced, that we may rise up to threaten them.
The truth is Prometheus is so ambiguous on this point, that unless we get a definitive answer in the coming movies, then it will always be left open to fan speculation. Maybe that is what RS always intended?
The problem that should have been obvious to Ridley Scott is that if the Aliens are meant to "clean up" planets of all the indigenous life...how are the Engineers supposed to start over considering they would be in worse shape than before with all the Aliens running around?
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Mar 11, 2017, 06:27:37 PM
The problem that should have been obvious to Ridley Scott is that if the Aliens are meant to "clean up" planets of all the indigenous life...how are the Engineers supposed to start over considering they would be in worse shape than before with all the Aliens running around?
Didn't RS always like the idea of the Alien having a short lifespan?
So I guess if that were the case, then it would just die out after it had done its thing and the eggs would go into hibernation without anymore hosts to infect.
The Engineers move in and remove the eggs and start over again.
There you have it. The android made the alien. ::)
Possibly re-created.
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 11, 2017, 06:39:32 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Mar 11, 2017, 06:27:37 PM
The problem that should have been obvious to Ridley Scott is that if the Aliens are meant to "clean up" planets of all the indigenous life...how are the Engineers supposed to start over considering they would be in worse shape than before with all the Aliens running around?
Didn't RS always like the idea of the Alien having a short life span?
So I guess if that were the case, then it would just die out after it had done its thing and the eggs would go into hibernation without anymore hosts to infect.
The Engineers move in and remove the eggs and start over again.
I like the idea of the short life span, that does help.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6m7aYqU4AE0JQd.jpg)
that would look like a neomorph facehugger to me!
also, PLEASE tell me those 12 minutes of footage is available somehow!
and....that Fassbender quote about half-german was awesome
I thought neomorphs are injected through spores
They are, he must have been confused.
Waiting for the clips to leak online...
Quote from: zoidy on Mar 11, 2017, 08:28:40 PM
Possibly re-created.
That idea certainly gets my vote.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wopbc8y7Kvo/WCmkC79eY_I/AAAAAAAAeFM/t9P-kaIGF8wcDFbC9go8U3F4WWQ6L_3CwCPcB/s1600/prometheus%2Brelief.jpg
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QuoteSo far, the clips all showed beats familiar to fans of the long-running scifi horror series, however, the third one harbored the most morbid twist. In it, we saw Captain Oram talking to an android played by Michael Fassbender. However, this wasn't the newly revealed Walter model. It's David, the android last seen in Prometheus, who explained to Oram that he's become something of an amateur zoologist. As the camera lingered on dissected specimens, David revealed he's been studying the xenomorph. He explained that he's mapped how insectoid carriers burst from spores to infect hosts and create hybrid lifeforms. Davis spoke admirably about the adaptive qualities of the xenon as he led Oram to a subterranean chamber filled with the iconic Alien egg sacs. Oram asked about the status of these sacs and David replied that they're "waiting for mother" and assuring the human they're "perfectly safe, I assure you." The flaps of one sac opened, showing motion behind a cloudy membrane. Oram leaned over the opening to peer inside and a face-hugger leapt onto his head. David watched impassively as Oram struggled and died.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/we-ve-seen-at-least-one-very-grim-secret-at-the-heart-o-1793188750
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 11, 2017, 09:20:57 PM
Spoiler
QuoteSo far, the clips all showed beats familiar to fans of the long-running scifi horror series, however, the third one harbored the most morbid twist. In it, we saw Captain Oram talking to an android played by Michael Fassbender. However, this wasn't the newly revealed Walter model. It's David, the android last seen in Prometheus, who explained to Oram that he's become something of an amateur zoologist. As the camera lingered on dissected specimens, David revealed he's been studying the xenomorph. He explained that he's mapped how insectoid carriers burst from spores to infect hosts and create hybrid lifeforms. Davis spoke admirably about the adaptive qualities of the xenon as he led Oram to a subterranean chamber filled with the iconic Alien egg sacs. Oram asked about the status of these sacs and David replied that they're "waiting for mother" and assuring the human they're "perfectly safe, I assure you." The flaps of one sac opened, showing motion behind a cloudy membrane. Oram leaned over the opening to peer inside and a face-hugger leapt onto his head. David watched impassively as Oram struggled and died.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/we-ve-seen-at-least-one-very-grim-secret-at-the-heart-o-1793188750
I am pretty surprised they'd show so many key clips. The David/Oram one seems most revealing of the movie's secrets. What are your thoughts about letting so much out there, Hicks?
Recounting of the talking before the preview: https://www.inverse.com/article/28942-alien-covenant-ridley-scott-sxsw-panel
Quote from: shawsbaby on Mar 11, 2017, 09:29:10 PM
I am pretty surprised they'd show so many key clips. The David/Oram one seems most revealing of the movie's secrets. What are your thoughts about letting so much out there, Hicks?
We've already seen it in the trailers so I don't think it's that much of a spoiler
now. I wish we hadn't seen so many death scenes in the trailers but that's par for the course these days.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 11, 2017, 09:20:57 PM
Spoiler
QuoteSo far, the clips all showed beats familiar to fans of the long-running scifi horror series, however, the third one harbored the most morbid twist. In it, we saw Captain Oram talking to an android played by Michael Fassbender. However, this wasn't the newly revealed Walter model. It's David, the android last seen in Prometheus, who explained to Oram that he's become something of an amateur zoologist. As the camera lingered on dissected specimens, David revealed he's been studying the xenomorph. He explained that he's mapped how insectoid carriers burst from spores to infect hosts and create hybrid lifeforms. Davis spoke admirably about the adaptive qualities of the xenon as he led Oram to a subterranean chamber filled with the iconic Alien egg sacs. Oram asked about the status of these sacs and David replied that they're "waiting for mother" and assuring the human they're "perfectly safe, I assure you." The flaps of one sac opened, showing motion behind a cloudy membrane. Oram leaned over the opening to peer inside and a face-hugger leapt onto his head. David watched impassively as Oram struggled and died.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/we-ve-seen-at-least-one-very-grim-secret-at-the-heart-o-1793188750
Without the exact dialog
Spoiler
it still remains to be seen what precisely David has been doing. That io9 summary could be red to suggest that David has studied the Neomorphs and improved on them.
Too bad. It's perfectly clear now that the franchise is well and truly f**ked. At least the Hishe, the Honest Trailer and Cinema Sins videos will be fun to watch.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 11, 2017, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: shawsbaby on Mar 11, 2017, 09:29:10 PM
I am pretty surprised they'd show so many key clips. The David/Oram one seems most revealing of the movie's secrets. What are your thoughts about letting so much out there, Hicks?
We've already seen it in the trailers so I don't think it's that much of a spoiler now. I wish we hadn't seen so many death scenes in the trailers but that's par for the course these days.
I'm speaking more of David's conversation with Oram. This clips seems to directly explain what he's doing and how. In some ways it's equivalent of showing a crowd a clip of David tell Shaw she's pregnant and then showing her go to the medpod to remove it. Should be a super exciting moment for the audience and it has been spoiled two months ahead of time.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 11, 2017, 09:32:51 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 11, 2017, 09:20:57 PM
Spoiler
QuoteSo far, the clips all showed beats familiar to fans of the long-running scifi horror series, however, the third one harbored the most morbid twist. In it, we saw Captain Oram talking to an android played by Michael Fassbender. However, this wasn't the newly revealed Walter model. It's David, the android last seen in Prometheus, who explained to Oram that he's become something of an amateur zoologist. As the camera lingered on dissected specimens, David revealed he's been studying the xenomorph. He explained that he's mapped how insectoid carriers burst from spores to infect hosts and create hybrid lifeforms. Davis spoke admirably about the adaptive qualities of the xenon as he led Oram to a subterranean chamber filled with the iconic Alien egg sacs. Oram asked about the status of these sacs and David replied that they're "waiting for mother" and assuring the human they're "perfectly safe, I assure you." The flaps of one sac opened, showing motion behind a cloudy membrane. Oram leaned over the opening to peer inside and a face-hugger leapt onto his head. David watched impassively as Oram struggled and died.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/we-ve-seen-at-least-one-very-grim-secret-at-the-heart-o-1793188750
Without the exact dialog Spoiler
it still remains to be seen what precisely David has been doing. That io9 summary could be red to suggest that David has studied the Neomorphs and improved on them.
That's a fair point.
Ah! I don't think it's that big of a surprise. People have suspecting this for a long time now.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 11, 2017, 09:41:47 PM
Ah! I don't think it's that big of a surprise. People have suspecting this for a long time now.
Ha. Well perhaps Ridley and co. (and the marketing folks) know there's nothing terribly unpredictable in this film so they might as well just try to entice people to see what's there.
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 11, 2017, 06:10:02 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 11, 2017, 04:20:29 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 11, 2017, 12:16:35 PM
Needing more hosts for his creations, David lures the Covenant, by using a communication beacon Shaw recovered from Vickers life boat, before leaving LV-223.
Because the company thinks the SOS is from the Prometheus, its rated as high priority. And the Covenant is then redirected, Nostromo style, to investigate.
Spoiler
Apparently it's a garbled holo-recording originating from the crashed derelict that the Covenant receives. When McBride finally manages to decipher it, it turns out to be a hologram of a sick-looking Shaw singing a creepy/eerie song.
I guess you could explain it away with her going stir crazy or delirious from sickness. But If that's true, it would certainly be inconsistent to Shaw's behaviour from Prometheus. After all, she was willing to sacrifice everything to stop the black goo from getting to earth and even left a warning message to stay away from LV-223. So knowing Paradise is contaminated with the stuff, why would she risk bringing other humans there and spreading the infection back to earth?
That's why it made more sense to me, that it was David.
Spoiler
That was from test screen audience member Sargadoa who has been proven so far. Apparently it was David who sent them that holo-recording of Shaw singing. So I don't think it was actually Shaw knowingly luring them there. Just David manipulating her.
I think what may end up being the case is
Spoiler
that the Neomorphs are an existing species from the Engineer's homeworld, and the Deacons are the Engineer's attempt at weaponizing them. The xenos are David's take.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 11, 2017, 09:49:58 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 11, 2017, 06:10:02 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 11, 2017, 04:20:29 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 11, 2017, 12:16:35 PM
Needing more hosts for his creations, David lures the Covenant, by using a communication beacon Shaw recovered from Vickers life boat, before leaving LV-223.
Because the company thinks the SOS is from the Prometheus, its rated as high priority. And the Covenant is then redirected, Nostromo style, to investigate.
Spoiler
Apparently it's a garbled holo-recording originating from the crashed derelict that the Covenant receives. When McBride finally manages to decipher it, it turns out to be a hologram of a sick-looking Shaw singing a creepy/eerie song.
I guess you could explain it away with her going stir crazy or delirious from sickness. But If that's true, it would certainly be inconsistent to Shaw's behaviour from Prometheus. After all, she was willing to sacrifice everything to stop the black goo from getting to earth and even left a warning message to stay away from LV-223. So knowing Paradise is contaminated with the stuff, why would she risk bringing other humans there and spreading the infection back to earth?
That's why it made more sense to me, that it was David.
Spoiler
That was from test screen audience member Sargadoa who has been proven so far. Apparently it was David who sent them that holo-recording of Shaw singing. So I don't think it was actually Shaw knowingly luring them there. Just David manipulating her.
Ok, that makes more sense.
Hoping some of this footage will be leaked online.
http://movieweb.com/alien-covenant-sxsw-footage-review/
Very encouraging.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPZV9QwQB0E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPZV9QwQB0E)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w4og9Q2JEc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w4og9Q2JEc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTUZS2ZPRpY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTUZS2ZPRpY)
I hate to hear that the aliens were totally created in the computer, but in the shots I've seen they look damn good.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 11, 2017, 11:59:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPZV9QwQB0E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPZV9QwQB0E)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w4og9Q2JEc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w4og9Q2JEc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTUZS2ZPRpY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTUZS2ZPRpY)
Is he talking about two
sequels to Alien?
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 12, 2017, 12:11:15 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 11, 2017, 11:59:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPZV9QwQB0E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPZV9QwQB0E)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w4og9Q2JEc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w4og9Q2JEc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTUZS2ZPRpY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTUZS2ZPRpY)
Is he talking about two sequels to Alien?
To Covenant... He already said that Covenant 2 is being written and will go into production as early as this year or beginning of next year.
@echobbase79
it makes sense the neomorph attacks early on are CGI, they are small or smallish at this point. But we know there are practical effects, and artists performing movements etc for (presumably) larger later attacks as previously reported here.
"Why is that you think?"
"Cause I'm good."
Classic Ridley. :D
Quote from: Anthony on Mar 12, 2017, 12:24:26 AM
"Why is that you think?"
"Cause I'm good."
Classic Ridley. :D
:laugh:
Quote from: zoidy on Mar 12, 2017, 12:22:04 AM
@echobbase79
it makes sense the neomorph attacks early on are CGI, they are small or smallish at this point. But we know there are practical effects, and artists performing movements etc for (presumably) larger later attacks as previously reported here.
The report I must have been misleading. Or maybe he was just talking about the scenes that they were shown?
Yeah, the report was just about the footage they were shown. That was just the initial neomorphs.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 12, 2017, 12:13:57 AM
Quote from: salomonj on Mar 12, 2017, 12:11:15 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 11, 2017, 11:59:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPZV9QwQB0E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPZV9QwQB0E)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w4og9Q2JEc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w4og9Q2JEc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTUZS2ZPRpY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTUZS2ZPRpY)
Is he talking about two sequels to Alien?
To Covenant... He already said that Covenant 2 is being written and will go into production as early as this year or beginning of next year.
I was under the impression he already said we would be getting two more sequels to Covenant.
God, that would be awesome if it went into production this year. Doesn't look like we're gonna have to wait half a decade for the next installment.
So, basically, the idea is that - the resulting being from the fusion of an artificial and biological mind, has combined to incorporate all of the perfect mathematically-aligned elements to form the ideologically-pure and structurally-flawless genetic makeup of the Xenomorph? Does David find some sort of 'universal algorithm' hidden within the framework of spacetime that unlocks the 'blueprint' for this so-called 'Xenomorph'?
david most certainly not create the eggs .....
I know this for a fact because there is a beautifull painting of one on the ceiling of the urn room .
I would really find it interesting if this universe established that the black goo, and thus the xenomorph, is a representation of evil in itself throughout the universe. The engineers found about it, possessed and worshiped it, but everything just went plain wrong with them. The xenomorph is ancient, as old as the universe itself. David, as many of you in this forum has suggested, is just trying to recreate something that is older than many of us can comprehend.
Early footage from Alien: Covenant was screened to a completely freaked out SXSW audience
https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/early-footage-alien-covenant-screened-completely-freaked-sxsw-audience-581133 (https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/early-footage-alien-covenant-screened-completely-freaked-sxsw-audience-581133)
We're still a couple of months out from Alien: Covenant arriving in Irish cinemas, but a lucky few got a sneak peak of early footage of the movie this weekend in the SXSW festival.
While it can be easy to impress fan-boys with well-cut-together footage that might not represent the finished product, the reaction from what folks have seen so far has been nothing short of staggering.
Oh, and terrifying. Absolutely terrifying.
Meanwhile, the peeps at The Verge wrote a long (and slightly spoiler-y, so beware) review-of-the-preview, but the choice line has got to be: "If the footage screened was any indication, the tone of Alien: Covenant is full-on, breakneck horror, taking what the original film did and amping it up by a factor of 10."
While we try to calm ourselves down at the thoughts of how great/scary this movie is going to be and how we're not sure we can wait til 12 May for it come out, here's a very unnerving look at how Michael Fassbender's new character is made, with Walter coming with a very different accent to the android David from Prometheus, and what looks like an even glassier, more sinister blank stare.
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 11, 2017, 06:39:32 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Mar 11, 2017, 06:27:37 PM
The problem that should have been obvious to Ridley Scott is that if the Aliens are meant to "clean up" planets of all the indigenous life...how are the Engineers supposed to start over considering they would be in worse shape than before with all the Aliens running around?
Didn't RS always like the idea of the Alien having a short life span?
So I guess if that were the case, then it would just die out after it had done its thing and the eggs would go into hibernation without anymore hosts to infect.
The Engineers move in and remove the eggs and start over again.
I was thinking about this today... Does the alien eat and therefore leave waste? And what about its lifespan?
Maybe the alien does have a relatively short lifespan?
Who knows?
But I'm sure after the alien has cleaned a planet if the Engineers leave it for a while it will be ready to seed again? Who knows, maybe a thousand years is nothing to the Engineers.
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Quote from: Rafael S. on Mar 12, 2017, 05:04:13 AM
I would really find it interesting if this universe established that the black goo, and thus the xenomorph, is a representation of evil in itself throughout the universe. The engineers found about it, possessed and worshiped it, but everything just went plain wrong with them. The xenomorph is ancient, as old as the universe itself. David, as many of you in this forum has suggested, is just trying to recreate something that is older than many of us can comprehend.
Surely the Xenomorph itself isn't evil though? It's just the "perfect organism" a perfect killing machine, an apex predator, top of the galactic food chain so to speak?
It always reminded me of what everyone learned from Jaws about the Great white shark at the time... How the shark was the ultimate predator and how it never sleeps and keeps,on moving and eating! It had hardly changed over millions of years (alligators and crocodiles are much the same) and I think the alien is in a similar vein.
The Xenomorph isn't evil its just an animal.... Which happens to kill everything!
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Spoiler
While David didn't create the Eggs, the bio-mechanical part is going to come from him f**king with them. I'm not sure how I feel about this probably being the direction they're going in.
I always liked the short lifespan Alien. I thought at some point it was said that the Alien crawled into the lifeboat at the end of the first movie to die as it i was nearing the end of the lifespan (which is why it also grows so quickly, super fast metabolism and short lifespan)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oGQYkoq4_Fs
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 11, 2017, 08:35:01 AM
I'm intrigued by this quote -
QuoteScott does not believe an AI could be authentically creative. "Can you have a computer write a book or a screenplay or a poem?," he said. "Yeah, but it's always going to be very derivative and only based on what has been done in trillions of different ways before, so it's going to be a cross-collateralization. It can only be that."
Perhaps that theory that David is merely recreating the Alien has some credence.
Which would mean, that somewhere in this mythology, is an even more deadly, scarier, meaner Alien, we have yet to see.
And I hope we never see it. I would like for some of this to remain "alien". I don't mind the possibility of David
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creating his own version of the creature
like some have suggested in other posts.
pretty certain , like 100% that the original Alien gets its biomechanics aesthetics from growing and bursting from the lv223 jockey whilst he was fused with the pilot chair .
living tech 😉
the dorsal spines on the BIG CHAP perfectly match the exact same exhausts coming from the base of the jockey chair 😊
if you just turn the original space jockey pik 45' to the right you can see what I'm talking about .
QuoteScott does not believe an AI could be authentically creative. "Can you have a computer write a book or a screenplay or a poem?," he said. "Yeah, but it's always going to be very derivative and only based on what has been done in trillions of different ways before, so it's going to be a cross-collateralization. It can only be that."
In the context of the movie, I won't mind if David's tentatives are not a real success (which means he can't as of yet come up with the classical xenomorph or rebuild it if we think about a preexisting creature).
In general, I find the idea expressed by Scott strange. From a naturalist point of view, we humans are but machines. Once you think there is not an ontological gap between humans, the other animals, and the idea of very advanced AI, the only way to agree with Scott, I think, is to say we will not be able to make AI advanced enough (or self-improving enough) to attain this goal.
About the movie, I think it's plausible to think that there could be another creature (or creatures) as surprises in it. However I'm more interested by the science-fiction stuff and the mysteries not yet revealed in the trailers (and I hope TV spots or other things won't spoil them before the release).
Quote from: Marcus9000But I'm sure after the alien has cleaned a planet if the Engineers leave it for a while it will be ready to seed again? Who knows, maybe a thousand years is nothing to the Engineers.
Prometheus shows that their hypersleep devices can let an Engineer live in it for at least 2000 years, or that the modifications the Engineers have made on themselves (the suit, etc.) can produce that effect (or let's say it's a mixture of both).
As for the idea of the "perfect organism", as of now, I still think it's a bit odd idea concerning the Xenomorph. A "perfect killer", I would understand more. If David is truly linked with the creation or return of the classical iteration of the Alien, it's logical and symbolical that Ash be admirative in front of the creature, I guess.
Quote from: prometheusfire08 on Mar 12, 2017, 10:08:16 PM
pretty certain , like 100% that the original Alien gets its biomechanics aesthetics from growing and bursting from the lv223 jockey whilst he was fused with the pilot chair .
living tech 😉
the dorsal spines on the BIG CHAP perfectly match the exact same exhausts coming from the base of the jockey chair 😊
Its funny you say that. From when I first saw ALIEN i had been drawing a comparison b/w the FACEHUGGER and the BREATHING APPARATUS on the JOCKEY's FACE, and that never came to pass in any way. For a while, after PROMETHEUS, I was speculating that at some point David or whoever doesnt want that Space Jockey to fly off, would infect the Pilot chair's mechanisms and breathing apparatus with the Goo, thus fusing that pilot in the suit with the chair and causing it to create the Biomech features in not just the Alien but the entire ship.
Oh my,
Spoiler
David is really going to create the Xenomorph, isn't he. :-\
I suppose I'll just have to accept it, then...
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 13, 2017, 12:59:28 PM
Oh my, Spoiler
David is really going to create the Xenomorph, isn't he. :-\
I suppose I'll just have to accept it, then...
Hopefully,
Spoiler
he'll jut be re-creating a pre-existing lifeform.
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 13, 2017, 12:59:28 PM
Oh my, Spoiler
David is really going to create the Xenomorph, isn't he. :-\
I suppose I'll just have to accept it, then...
In my ideal fan-fantasy, yes, I would prefer the Alien to of been created by a Giger-ish Space Jockey or another more advanced Giger-like race.
But as someone who's always liked the idea of the Alien being a created bio-weapon. Which I've always felt is the more logical way of explaining the Alien's biomechanoid aspects. Then providing the story is well told, I really have no problem with it being:
Spoiler
David using the black goo to perfect the neomorphs.
I'm certainly not going to write off a film that I haven't seen yet, just because a key idea doesn't align to my own personal expectations or fantasies.
So like you, I'm just going to accept things and hope we get a good film. The franchise could certainly do with one.
https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/840413886322884609 (https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/840413886322884609)
McBride & Waterston ...
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according to leaks are going to survive. I'm not surprised that they advertise movie together.
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Quote from: Evanus on Mar 13, 2017, 12:59:28 PM
Oh my, Spoiler
David is really going to create the Xenomorph, isn't he. :-\
I suppose I'll just have to accept it, then...
Hopefully, Spoiler
he'll jut be re-creating a pre-existing lifeform.
I was just talking about this elsewhere, but I thin RS means to get us thinking about what it means to 'PERFECT' a created lifeform.
I dont think its a mistake that we are simultaneously dealing with WALTER - a 'PERFECTED' version of DAVID, and then we encounter DAVID 'PERFECTING' the NEOMORPHS to become ...
I think that like PROMETHEUS, we're maybe supposed to see this reflection, when you look for answers to these questions.
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 13, 2017, 07:10:10 PM
Quote from: imbrie on Mar 13, 2017, 01:01:14 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 13, 2017, 12:59:28 PM
Oh my, Spoiler
David is really going to create the Xenomorph, isn't he. :-\
I suppose I'll just have to accept it, then...
Hopefully, Spoiler
he'll jut be re-creating a pre-existing lifeform.
I was just talking about this elsewhere, but I thin RS means to get us thinking about what it means to 'PERFECT' a created lifeform.
I dont think its a mistake that we are simultaneously dealing with WALTER - a 'PERFECTED' version of DAVID, and then we encounter DAVID 'PERFECTING' the NEOMORPHS to become ...
I think that like PROMETHEUS, we're maybe supposed to see this reflection, when you look for answers to these questions.
I still think they should leave it a mystery.
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I.E. David "created" (quote endquote) the xenomorph (or did he)?
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 13, 2017, 07:10:10 PM
I think that like PROMETHEUS, we're maybe supposed to see this reflection, when you look for answers to these questions.
It's like poetry, it rhymes! ;D
Didn't Wayne Haag allude to the creation of the creatures in Covenant may be ambiguous and not so on the nose? I've got to go back and re-listen to the podcast episode.
Quote from: lv_226 on Mar 14, 2017, 03:49:27 PM
Didn't Wayne Haag allude to the creation of the creatures in Covenant may be ambiguous and not so on the nose? I've got to go back and re-listen to the podcast episode.
If I recall correctly, Wayne was just hypothesising, just like we do on here!
He did say that the origins aren't completely made clear, or something to that effect, which is interesting.
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 13, 2017, 06:54:51 AM
Quote from: prometheusfire08 on Mar 12, 2017, 10:08:16 PM
pretty certain , like 100% that the original Alien gets its biomechanics aesthetics from growing and bursting from the lv223 jockey whilst he was fused with the pilot chair .
living tech.
the dorsal spines on the BIG CHAP perfectly match the exact same exhausts coming from the base of the jockey chair.
Its funny you say that. From when I first saw ALIEN i had been drawing a comparison b/w the FACEHUGGER and the BREATHING APPARATUS on the JOCKEY's FACE, and that never came to pass in any way. For a while, after PROMETHEUS, I was speculating that at some point David or whoever doesnt want that Space Jockey to fly off, would infect the Pilot chair's mechanisms and breathing apparatus with the Goo, thus fusing that pilot in the suit with the chair and causing it to create the Biomech features in not just the Alien but the entire ship.
Certainly going to be interesting to see how they pull off bringing the Giger elements back into play in the future films.
It's odd on RS's part. If you think about it. He stuck to most of his original ideas about the Alien in Prometheus: The Alien being a bioweapon, the Derelict being a battle wagon. Yet the idea of the Alien getting it's biomechanical look from the Space Jockey was thrown out, or at least, contradicted, with the Deacon.
Considering the Xenomorph is a descendent of the Deacon and the Deacon shares the Xenomorphs ability to assimilate the characteristics of it's host; as demonstrated by its humanoid appearance. Then to be consistent to the idea of the Xenomorph taking it's biomechanical characteristics from the Space Jockey, the Deacon really should have been a biomechaniod.
All this makes me think RS maybe abandoning the idea of the Xenomorph getting it's biomechanical characteristics from the Space Jockey and heading down a different path instead. But I hope that's not case.
I think much of what people are hoping for in terms of mythology and explanations would be awfully cumbersome in a film script, and I think a lot of people will be disappointed that what's in A:C is either way more simplistic or largely left unsaid. Perhaps supplemental materials will help with some of this, but there's a lot of intricate imagination happening on this forum that, while intriguing, wouldn't play especially well on screen.
Shawsbaby makes a good point, I mean I'm hoping for some biomechanical wonderland portrayed at some point; alive and erotically charged, but I think it should just be shown and not explained away, that's if such a thing would ever come to pass, mind you, but I think it'd be wise to just leave enough to make some strong inferences regarding the ultimate origins of the biomechanical elements and leave it at that. Scott seems intent on leading up to it however.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 15, 2017, 01:00:19 PM
Shawsbaby makes a good point, I mean I'm hoping for some biomechanical wonderland portrayed at some point; alive and erotically charged, but I think it should just be shown and not explained away, that's if such a thing would ever come to pass, mind you, but I think it'd be wise to just leave enough to make some strong inferences regarding the ultimate origins of the biomechanical elements and leave it at that. Scott seems intent on leading up to it however.
Quote from: shawsbaby on Mar 15, 2017, 12:38:10 PM
I think much of what people are hoping for in terms of mythology and explanations would be awfully cumbersome in a film script, and I think a lot of people will be disappointed that what's in A:C is either way more simplistic or largely left unsaid. Perhaps supplemental materials will help with some of this, but there's a lot of intricate imagination happening on this forum that, while intriguing, wouldn't play especially well on screen.
I understand your points. But its just a bit of harmless fun. I don't think people, I know I'm certainly not, are really expecting Covenant to match up to some of the more complex fan speculation.
I don't necessarily agree though, that some of these ideas wouldn't be achievable on screen.
Part of good writing and film making is the ability to express complex ideas in easy to follow ways, that even a general audience could understand.
Unless their trying to be deliberately ambiguous to create mystery, its normally just lazy writing why ideas aren't fully fleshed out on screen. Lets hope Covenant doesn't fall into the latter category.
I of course don't disagree that it's possible to achieve some expository complexity in a script, but I think there's a lot of wishful thinking that there's more to what we've seen/been told through leaks than there actually is. My hope is that they went for more direct explanations as a way of healing some of the narrative gaps that Lindelof was all too eager to create in Prometheus, rather than taking the path of least resistance to making a sequel that pleased those who just want to see great Xeno horror again while having a superficial connection to the Prometheus storyline.
I for one am still very, very excited about A:C and have enjoyed what I've read. Would I have personally, as a writer, come up with a different take on this sequel? Absolutely. As a fan of the series, am I eager to see what's sure to be a lot of fun and scary, if not all that smart or game-changing for the franchise? Absolutely.
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Mar 15, 2017, 12:33:24 PM
It's odd on RS's part. If you think about it. He stuck to most of his original ideas about the Alien in Prometheus: The Alien being a bioweapon, the Derelict being a battle wagon. Yet the idea of the Alien getting it's biomechanical look from the Space Jockey was thrown out, or at least, contradicted, with the Deacon.
Not if the Engineers don't end up actually being the Space Jockeys. I understand that as far as we're concerned now, Space Jockeys = Engineers but we can cling to hope, right?
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 15, 2017, 01:00:19 PM
Shawsbaby makes a good point, I mean I'm hoping for some biomechanical wonderland portrayed at some point; alive and erotically charged, but I think it should just be shown and not explained away, that's if such a thing would ever come to pass, mind you, but I think it'd be wise to just leave enough to make some strong inferences regarding the ultimate origins of the biomechanical elements and leave it at that. Scott seems intent on leading up to it however.
It's not unreasonable of me to hold onto hope that we'll see an entire Giger-esque landscape or world?
Yeah I wouldn't rule it out, if Seagers says we're edging into the fully fledged Giger stuff I'd like to think that Scott would embrace it.
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