http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/sep/30/ridley-scott-meets-julie-bishop-to-discuss-plans-to-film-in-australia
Which begs the question. Will he be looking to shoot the Engineer World in the Outback or in some super lush tropical location?
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 30, 2015, 01:03:53 PM
Which begs the question. Will he be looking to shoot the Engineer World in the Outback or in some super lush tropical location?
Nah, he's probably just after studio space.
QuoteScott was last seen in Australia in 2014 when he took a tour of Sydney's Fox studios, prompting rumours that he was scouting for film locations.
If the Engineer Homeworld is going to be some kind of bio-mechanical construct it will probably use purpose built sets and CGI. LV-426 in Alien and Aliens was all built indoors at Pinewood and Shepperton back in the day.
But then again, you never know with Ridley maybe he will use the Outback as well.
I'm just wondering why he would have to be cutting deals then if it's in FOx's studio?
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 30, 2015, 02:08:11 PM
I'm just wondering why he would have to be cutting deals then if it's in FOx's studio?
It's probably about the government rebates. It's quite likely that Canada's movie production incentives and tax rebates would be much more appealing than those currently on offer from Australia. So you could have the situation where it could be more economical to film in Canada using a third-party's studio rather than Fox using their own studios in Sydney.
Scott might prefer the facilities or extra soundstage space that the Sydney studios offer and is trying to convince Fox to allow him to use it by sucking-up to the politicians and trying to get better incentives.
This is all purely conjecture though.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 30, 2015, 02:36:47 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 30, 2015, 02:08:11 PM
I'm just wondering why he would have to be cutting deals then if it's in FOx's studio?
It's probably about the government rebates. It's quite likely that Canada's movie production incentives and tax rebates would be much more appealing than those currently on offer from Australia. So you could have the situation where it could be more economical to film in Canada using a third-party's studio rather than Fox using their own studios in Sydney.
Scott might prefer the facilities or extra soundstage space that the Sydney studios offer and is trying to convince Fox to allow him to use it by sucking-up to the politicians and trying to get better incentives.
This is all purely conjecture though.
You are probably right!
I wonder where he'll use though for the external shots like how he used Jordan for some of the exteriors in Prometheus.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 30, 2015, 02:36:47 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Sep 30, 2015, 02:08:11 PM
I'm just wondering why he would have to be cutting deals then if it's in FOx's studio?
It's probably about the government rebates. It's quite likely that Canada's movie production incentives and tax rebates would be much more appealing than those currently on offer from Australia. So you could have the situation where it could be more economical to film in Canada using a third-party's studio rather than Fox using their own studios in Sydney.
Scott might prefer the facilities or extra soundstage space that the Sydney studios offer and is trying to convince Fox to allow him to use it by sucking-up to the politicians and trying to get better incentives.
This is all purely conjecture though.
Rebates perhaps, but they don't typically worry too much about that with films of this caliber.
It is more likely due to finding an ideal location for both Interior and Exterior aspects of the shoot, that saves them production costs all around. For Interiors - set building in soundstages, its about the needs of the set and location to exteriors that correspond ie; finding a location for the soundstages that can accommodate their needs but is ideally located for the External -on location shooting as well while also saving them enormous salaries for actors. They will consider these things based on need and which actors schedules will factor into the shoot. For instance, if they have 2 months to use Michael Fassbender, and he will be needed for most of the interior and external shoots, it will save them millions of dollars to not have to do giant company moves to different countries or worse have multiple units in different countries. You can imagine that using Michael Fass for an extra 2 weeks might cost a lot...and then they will most likely have to arrange for reshoots and pickups anyway. They will most likely need to do this multiple locations to some extent anyway, but its a puzzle. Does the stage space accommodate the needs of the film, and can they get all of x actors scenes shot in y amount of time, without losing or wasting money, and will it be cheaper to fly crew in or use local? For something like this, department heads and above the line workers will make those decisions with the Line Producer and UPM who will be trying to please Ridley Scott because he will want certain things.
That's nice but we were talking about why Ridley was lobbying the Australian government.
He obviously wants special concessions that only the government can give. That could be incentives/rebates or a permit to shoot in an ecologically sensitive place. It's not the governments job to do location scouting for foreign film companies.
Ridley Scott confirms he's preparing to film Prometheus 2 in Sydney in January (http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/ridley-scott-confirms-hes-preparing-to-film-prometheus-2-in-sydney-in-january/story-fnk850z8-1227554680054)
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Oct 02, 2015, 05:37:54 PM
Ridley Scott confirms he's preparing to film Prometheus 2 in Sydney in January (http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/ridley-scott-confirms-hes-preparing-to-film-prometheus-2-in-sydney-in-january/story-fnk850z8-1227554680054)
""I'm one of those people who can multitask — I'm drawing the bridge of the next spaceship."
Cool!
I've always felt that Pinewood Studios is part of the "Alien" franchise DNA. Although now I'm remembering that the original Alien was shot at Shepperton Studios.
I do love watching the bts docs on the Quad/Anthology and hearing how Pinewood's sound stages were so rusted and run down back in the 80's that the Aliens effects crew used it for textural reference on the weather-battered structures of Hadley's Hope.
I presume this is a reference to a human ship. The juggernaut "bridge" is pretty much a given that it will stay the same (you never know). So we have Shaw and David heading to the Engineer homeworld and a human ship somehow involved. I presume a lot but well, I do. Interesting.
Would be middle of summer in Sydney when they start filming so would certainly be nicer than freezing Toronto.
"Lost Heads" in the article title? David's head is misplaced on the stolen Engineer Juggernaut and the entire film is Shaw in zero gravity searching the cavernous ship for the android's noggin.
Ridley is my hero.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 01, 2015, 08:29:10 AM
That's nice but we were talking about why Ridley was lobbying the Australian government.
He obviously wants special concessions that only the government can give. That could be incentives/rebates or a permit to shoot in an ecologically sensitive place. It's not the governments job to do location scouting for foreign film companies.
Yeah. It wont be about rebates. I'm a working Production Manager and Assistant Director. No one care about rebates on something that size. All films have to in some way deal with government to get concessions only the government can give. Even small films. For permits and the like. Also to alert local economies, get location agreements, permits to shoot in parks, tap into electricity, blow things up, utilize local law enforcement,... all those things.
"And we have Neill Blomkamp's Alien, which will be out in 2017. We just have the first [screenplay] draft in so far but it looks pretty good."
So my feelin was right about Alien 5 could be out in 2017.If A:Paradise Lost start shooting it may came out in November 2016 as fast Ridley works.The Martian started shooting around last november(my brother was an extra in a NASA press conference scene 8)) and they relased earlier than expected so Alien 5 may relase in 2017 july or november but not in 2018 if Ridley knows the date is set i will be very happy to have both movie in two years.
They have to hurry if there really will be a 3rd and 4th Prometheus continuation.
"Yeah. It wont be about rebates. I'm a working Production Manager and Assistant Director. No one care about rebates on something that size. All films have to in some way deal with government to get concessions only the government can give. Even small films. For permits and the like. Also to alert local economies, get location agreements, permits to shoot in parks, tap into electricity, blow things up, utilize local law enforcement,... all those things."
Yes but The Martian's lot of scene was shot in Budapest Raleigh Studios and a lot of big Hollywood film like The Spy,Hercules because the possibility of hight rebates and Ridley talked with the government commissioner for some reason,and Ridley held a master class for students and professionals where i cant attend because of the low capacity venue.
::)
One things for sure, they'll have a big DVD box set for the four Alien films plus Neill's new threequel movie and the Prometheus prequel tie-ins all to commemorate the 40th anniversary of Alien in 2019.
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Oct 03, 2015, 10:27:20 PM
One things for sure, they'll have a big DVD box set for the four Alien films plus Neill's new threequel movie and the Prometheus prequel tie-ins all to commemorate the 40th anniversary of Alien in 2019.
Oh yeah! Just keep the AVP stuff out please!
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 04, 2015, 03:02:05 AM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Oct 03, 2015, 10:27:20 PM
One things for sure, they'll have a big DVD box set for the four Alien films plus Neill's new threequel movie and the Prometheus prequel tie-ins all to commemorate the 40th anniversary of Alien in 2019.
Oh yeah! Just keep the AVP stuff out please!
I'm sure there will be separate collectable DVD box sets, like there was for the Alien Predator Total Destruction DVD box set, then the Prometheus to Alien DVD box set. Fans can take their pick.
Wonder when Shane Black's Predator 4 will go into production, its been a year since they announced he was penning the script, a year later producer John Davis has said he's only now close to finish writing. I assumed they intend to start filming during 2016 then go into post production for the later half of the year for editing, adding digital effects, adding music ect. Then the marketing and release set for the summer of 2017 commemorating the 30th Anniversary of the original Predator. Just an assumption.
I'm worried if Fox would probably delay the film's progress so it wouldn't conflict with Prometheus 2 aka Alien: Paradise Lost or Neill Blomkamp's new Alien. Ridley Scott's film is said to be out by 2017, and Neill's should perhaps be 2018, thought unlikely what if we had a year where there was both an Alien film and a Predator film out in the same year? "Not counting AVP"
Quote from: tmjhur on Oct 02, 2015, 06:32:33 PM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Oct 02, 2015, 05:37:54 PM
Ridley Scott confirms he's preparing to film Prometheus 2 in Sydney in January (http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/ridley-scott-confirms-hes-preparing-to-film-prometheus-2-in-sydney-in-january/story-fnk850z8-1227554680054)
""I'm one of those people who can multitask — I'm drawing the bridge of the next spaceship."
Cool!
is he storyboarding or re designing the orrery ??
Oh sorry story boarding.
Quote from: Robot Sentry on Oct 02, 2015, 06:49:42 PM
I've always felt that Pinewood Studios is part of the "Alien" franchise DNA. Although now I'm remembering that the original Alien was shot at Shepperton Studios.
I do believe Shepperton does belong to Pinewood anyway. But I do agree with you - I feel kinda sad about it because I'm a Brit and I like the Alien films (sans AvPs and AR, of course) being filmed over here.
http://themisanthropesjournal.blogspot.com/2012/06/top-10-of-most-beautiful-places-to.html
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 05, 2015, 08:35:42 AM
Quote from: Robot Sentry on Oct 02, 2015, 06:49:42 PM
I've always felt that Pinewood Studios is part of the "Alien" franchise DNA. Although now I'm remembering that the original Alien was shot at Shepperton Studios.
I do believe Shepperton does belong to Pinewood anyway. But I do agree with you - I feel kinda sad about it because I'm a Brit and I like the Alien films (sans AvPs and AR, of course) being filmed over here.
Apparently all the blighty studios were already fully booked. I suspect Star Wars Ep VIII and Star Wars: Rogue One were two of the prime culprits.
Quote from: Yahoo News"Ridley Scott can't find an appropriate film studio in Britain," Ms Bishop told The West Australian .
"They were all taken or busy, and he wants to film in Australia because of the facilities, the people and the resources we have.
More here: https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/29749272/tax-carrot-for-alien-filmmaker/ (https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/29749272/tax-carrot-for-alien-filmmaker/)
Quote from: CainsSon on Oct 03, 2015, 05:14:07 AM
Yeah. It wont be about rebates. I'm a working Production Manager and Assistant Director. No one care about rebates on something that size.
QuoteScott had also wanted to film the Matt Damon blockbuster The Martian in Australia but a disagreement with the Government scuttled those plans. The movie was shot in Hungary and Jordan, where Scott secured favourable tax treatment.
Three types of refundable tax offsets worth up to 40 per cent of production costs, depending on the extent of Australian content, are available for filmmakers.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 05, 2015, 08:35:42 AMI do believe Shepperton does belong to Pinewood anyway.
As of the turn of the millennium, yes, Pinewood bought it. Makes sense as it's just down the road.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 05, 2015, 08:35:42 AMBut I do agree with you - I feel kinda sad about it because I'm a Brit and I like the Alien films (sans AvPs and AR, of course) being filmed over here.
Yeah, likewise. Although as Eighth Passenger said,
Star Wars has probably got everything locked up at the moment.
https://twitter.com/Usa_Production/status/656274961166897152 (https://twitter.com/Usa_Production/status/656274961166897152)
According to USA Production News it will film in Rome.
Rome, Italy or Rome, Georgia?? ??? WTF?
I've sent them a Tweet asking for clarification.
Is there anything of interest in either Rome?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 20, 2015, 01:24:01 PM
Is there anything of interest in either Rome?
Well... the Vatican is in Rome, Italy. Maybe the Deacon from Prometheus got himself a job?
Maybe Jesus' family picked him up and dropped him off as vengeance?
And I see there has been quite a few films and television productions that was shot in Rome, Georgia including the recent Need for Speed.
It could be either, though USA Production News seems to specialize in productions happening within the US border.
There is a place called Roma in Australia just west of Brisbane. Could it be?
Bu if it is The Rome, then I suspect some sort of Jesus connection as has been speculated since Prometheus came out. That would raise some eyebrows. I hope he doesn't play the "Jesus was an alien" card explicitly.
The fact they've just said Rome makes me think of Cinema Sins ;D. The mad thing is my idea for Alien 5 would have been partially set in Italy. Its like they are stealing my dreams lol
When in Rome
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 20, 2015, 01:55:43 PM
Bu if it is The Rome, then I suspect some sort of Jesus connection as has been speculated since Prometheus came out. That would raise some eyebrows. I hope he doesn't play the "Jesus was an alien" card explicitly.
Oh man! No more dumb religious characters please! Shaw was insufferable!
Hmmm.... me suspects that USA Production News got the wrong end of the stick:
QuoteParadise Lost Books is a used bookstore in Rome, GA. "The most diverse used bookstore in the seven hills; trade paperbacks, hardcover fiction, and nonfiction of all kinds.
http://www.georgiabooktrail.com/paradise-lost-books/ (http://www.georgiabooktrail.com/paradise-lost-books/)
:laugh:
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 20, 2015, 03:31:14 PMHmmm.... me suspects that USA Production News got the wrong end of the stick:
That would actually be pretty hysterical if that was the source of the snafu.
I'm pretty sure it is!
Ah well, it was good for a laugh. ;D
Man this is getting stupid this movie should stay away from religion ::) i have a bad feeling about this(you know Ridley is an atheist and i think he is putting his thoughts into this franchise)
http://foreignminister.gov.au/releases/Pages/2015/jb_mr_151022c.aspx
Looks like it's now confirmed to be happening.
Wonder how much will be on location shooting i.e Engineer homeworld Paradise. And much will be a production stage set of a spaceship. Makes you wonder what will the environment of paradise be like. Desolate like LV-223 or perhaps tropical. They'll probably digitally alter the location backgrounds in post production.
Am pretty excited that they'll be filming here in Australia. I mean I'm signed up to an extras agency and if they need a whole bunch of extras for this film I will put my hand up to be killed by any Xeno/Deacon whatever they want to unleash upon people, just so I can be a tiny part of Alien history. Well it's a sequel to Prometheus but Scott did say he's looking to delve deeper into the Alien mythology with Prometheus 2 right?
You'll have to keep us in the loop. :P
Minister Bishop, Minister Fifield... Australia's ministers are actually characters from Alien films...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 22, 2015, 01:21:45 PM
Minister Bishop, Minister Fifield... Australia's ministers are actually characters from Alien films...
;D Fifield must be a typo... surely?
So it is in Roma?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 22, 2015, 02:47:07 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 22, 2015, 01:21:45 PM
Minister Bishop, Minister Fifield... Australia's ministers are actually characters from Alien films...
;D Fifield must be a typo... surely?
Well, I'll be....
they actually do have a minister Fifield. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Fifield (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Fifield). Didn't imagine that he would have anything to contribute in the GIGANTIC DEAD BODY ARENA.
And I thought the Corporal was just messing with us! :P There must be some conspiracy afoot!
He loves rock.
Look, he's been asleep for two years, and he's not here to be our friend.
Another
RUMOUR:
https://twitter.com/FairfaxUlster/status/656952741110140928 (https://twitter.com/FairfaxUlster/status/656952741110140928)
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Oct 25, 2015, 06:26:55 PM
Look, he's been asleep for two years, and he's not here to be our friend.
Typical politician. :P
Are you guys sayin he's only there to make money ??
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 26, 2015, 12:41:35 PM
Another RUMOUR:
https://twitter.com/FairfaxUlster/status/656952741110140928 (https://twitter.com/FairfaxUlster/status/656952741110140928)
Liam Neeson as a vengeful Engineer. You heard it here first.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 26, 2015, 12:41:35 PM
Another RUMOUR:
https://twitter.com/FairfaxUlster/status/656952741110140928 (https://twitter.com/FairfaxUlster/status/656952741110140928)
Asked him how he knew -
"They had "Scott Free productions" shirts on and one had a specific "Prometheus crew" embroidered coat on."
Northern Ireland?likely looking for sea resorts hope no riots happen ;)
Asked about specific locations - "They where at Dunluce Castle when I saw them. The coastline is stunning round there"
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 26, 2015, 06:25:41 PM
Asked about specific locations - "They where at Dunluce Castle when I saw them. The coastline is stunning round there"
Or maybe the giants causeaway.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 26, 2015, 06:18:25 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 26, 2015, 12:41:35 PM
Another RUMOUR:
https://twitter.com/FairfaxUlster/status/656952741110140928 (https://twitter.com/FairfaxUlster/status/656952741110140928)
Asked him how he knew - "They had "Scott Free productions" shirts on and one had a specific "Prometheus crew" embroidered coat on."
Yeah, that's still a bit iffy.
Scott Free productions do a lot of film and television projects. Could be location scouting for any number of upcoming productions. The guy with the "Prometheus crew" jacket might have been involved with the first film but that doesn't necessarily mean he's also currently working on Paradise Lost.
Meanwhile, USA Productions (An accurate and professionally researched resource :laugh:) has yet again tweeted that Paradise Lost will be filming in Rome:
https://twitter.com/Usa_Production/status/658054185427038208 (https://twitter.com/Usa_Production/status/658054185427038208)
Maybe you could ask them if it will be filmed in the bookshop this time? :P
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 26, 2015, 08:13:57 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 26, 2015, 06:18:25 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 26, 2015, 12:41:35 PM
Another RUMOUR:
https://twitter.com/FairfaxUlster/status/656952741110140928 (https://twitter.com/FairfaxUlster/status/656952741110140928)
Asked him how he knew - "They had "Scott Free productions" shirts on and one had a specific "Prometheus crew" embroidered coat on."
Yeah, that's still a bit iffy.
Scott Free productions do a lot of film and television projects. Could be location scouting for any number of upcoming productions. The guy with the "Prometheus crew" jacket might have been involved with the first film but that doesn't necessarily mean he's also currently working on Paradise Lost.
Meanwhile, USA Productions (An accurate and professionally researched resource :laugh:) has yet again tweeted that Paradise Lost will be filming in Rome:
https://twitter.com/Usa_Production/status/658054185427038208 (https://twitter.com/Usa_Production/status/658054185427038208)
Maybe you could ask them if it will be filmed in the bookshop this time? :P
Yeah i forget about that first more then then Ireland what next syria?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Oct 12, 2015, 09:03:27 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 05, 2015, 08:35:42 AM
Quote from: Robot Sentry on Oct 02, 2015, 06:49:42 PM
I've always felt that Pinewood Studios is part of the "Alien" franchise DNA. Although now I'm remembering that the original Alien was shot at Shepperton Studios.
I do believe Shepperton does belong to Pinewood anyway. But I do agree with you - I feel kinda sad about it because I'm a Brit and I like the Alien films (sans AvPs and AR, of course) being filmed over here.
Apparently all the blighty studios were already fully booked. I suspect Star Wars Ep VIII and Star Wars: Rogue One were two of the prime culprits.
Quote from: Yahoo News"Ridley Scott can't find an appropriate film studio in Britain," Ms Bishop told The West Australian .
"They were all taken or busy, and he wants to film in Australia because of the facilities, the people and the resources we have.
More here: https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/29749272/tax-carrot-for-alien-filmmaker/ (https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/29749272/tax-carrot-for-alien-filmmaker/)
Quote from: CainsSon on Oct 03, 2015, 05:14:07 AM
Yeah. It wont be about rebates. I'm a working Production Manager and Assistant Director. No one care about rebates on something that size.
QuoteScott had also wanted to film the Matt Damon blockbuster The Martian in Australia but a disagreement with the Government scuttled those plans. The movie was shot in Hungary and Jordan, where Scott secured favourable tax treatment.
Three types of refundable tax offsets worth up to 40 per cent of production costs, depending on the extent of Australian content, are available for filmmakers.
The rebates are just a tool for the Australian government to seal the deal. It may smear the final decision, for sure, and of course, rebates like this are available in the states as well, in places like Louisiana, right now, for instance. A film this size, he will get what he wants regardless of rebates. He wanted Britain, couldn't get it so he looked at Australia and they offered rebates to seal the deal, but if Australian couldn't give him what he wanted, those savings wouldn't do a damn thing. Any rebates on a film this size are just icing.
Quote from: CainsSon on Oct 28, 2015, 04:36:20 AM
The rebates are just a tool for the Australian government to seal the deal. It may smear the final decision, for sure, and of course, rebates like this are available in the states as well, in places like Louisiana, right now, for instance. A film this size, he will get what he wants regardless of rebates. He wanted Britain, couldn't get it so he looked at Australia and they offered rebates to seal the deal, but if Australian couldn't give him what he wanted, those savings wouldn't do a damn thing. Any rebates on a film this size are just icing.
Indeed, as I said in the beginning of this thread, Scott was obviously after studio space. Lots of it. He had a choice between Canada and Australia since Britain was out. He seemingly preferred Australia but Canada apparently offered better incentives and that's most likely why he was lobbying the Australian foreign minister who in turn took up the matter with the prime minister.
Scott is a very busy man, he wouldn't have been wasting his time wining-and-dining foreign politicians if rebates were of no concern to the production or merely "icing".
Hopefully cinematography is a issue here as the environment and characters have already been established.
I think the question now is whether australia will be used for externals as well as for its sound stages. Its easy to knee-jerk and assume this means a DESSERT-setting for the Engineer-world, aka "Paradise" but I provided a link above for some exotic locations around Australia... Some of which are quite opposite from what you may expect from a DESSERT-planet
Quote from: CainsSon on Oct 29, 2015, 03:55:45 AM
I think the question now is whether australia will be used for externals as well as for its sound stages. Its easy to knee-jerk and assume this means a DESSERT-setting for the Engineer-world, aka "Paradise" but I provided a link above for some exotic locations around Australia... Some of which are quite opposite from what you may expect from a DESSERT-planet
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.trendhunterstatic.com%2Fthumbs%2Frice-krispies-dessert.jpeg&hash=db2f9231b52f4bfb8285baf088b425b173c03967)
https://www.nyfa.edu/film-school-blog/thor-kong-alien-paradise-lost-film-village-roadshow-studios-australia/
Specific location details.
http://variety.com/2015/film/asia/ridley-scott-alien-covenant-new-south-wales-1201649321/
I don't recall if this has been posted or not.
Someday, a sci-fi director will think of using the Chinese smog for externals.