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QuoteSequels, even good sequels, fall into a trap of just reshaping the original instead of building upon it. Based on a 90-page screenplay written before he ever directed The Terminator, Cameron only needed the first fifteen minutes to shake the rules of the universe. For instance, the themes and symbols of the first Alien are reversed. Where the first film grappled with deeply Freudian ideas like the male fear of pregnancy and rape, Aliens is a meditation on maternity. The plot could be summarized in one simple sentence: Two matriarchs go to war. There is a deeply symbolic subtext to the entire film that becomes instantly palpable once you become aware it exists. Much has also been made of the film's powerful anti-war leaning. Cameron toys with American iconography, from the sci-fi jet-copters that have the cockpit of a military chopper to the commandos covered in green-brown camouflage like they're storming a jungle. There's also the basic premise, which can be seen as blatantly anti-imperialistic. For the Weyland Corporation (military industrial complex) to successfully gain control of another territory, LV-426 (Vietnam), they have to amend, revise, and prevail over the natural order of the area they are invading. In the film, this is done through terraforming (invading). The natural environment is so hostile to their unwanted presence that the air (Vietnamese) kills them.
Quote from: Jonjamess on Jul 24, 2023, 12:22:43 PM@ralfy You are taking the bug hunt thing too literally. Nope the Marines are not specialist Xenomorph killers. If you are to take anything from "it's a bug hunt" the average person would assume this is indigenous "pest" type lifeforms that present little threat. The Marines act like a "bug hunt" is a boring routine assignment.The WY representative even states "and found something never once recorded in over 100 surveyed worlds".Nobody has come across a creature like the Alien before, the Marines are clearly freaked out when they encounter them.So simply, no the Marines are not specialist Alien killers! At least not the type of Alien life that presents serious threat to life.You also keep mentioning Aucturians like they are an Alien humanoid. This is never once stated, it comes across more like they are colonists with gender reassignment (lady boys or similar). There's no mention that they are aliens and it doesn't even fit the context of the movie. The movie is about scary aliens, why would you mention "friendly" aliens in a throw away comment at the beginning of the movie, it would be counter productive to the tone the movie is trying to create. Cameron's intention is clearly not that the marines have had sexual encounters with aliens.
Quote from: Stitch on Jul 24, 2023, 01:23:22 PMIf anything, the marines in the movie come across as the slackers who can't be trusted to do anything other than janitorial work, hence why Hudson asks if it's going to be a stand up fight, or another bug hunt. The implication being they're glorified pest control.That's also why Gorman is put in charge, even with his limited experience. It's not supposed to be dangerous. It's supposed to be effectively a training mission.
QuoteI know I'm human. And if you were all these things, then you'd just attack me right now, so some of you are still human. This thing doesn't want to show itself, it wants to hide inside an imitation. It'll fight if it has to, but it's vulnerable out in the open. If it takes us over, then it has no more enemies, nobody left to kill it. And then it's won.
Quote from: Jonjamess on Jul 25, 2023, 07:28:52 PMYeah I'm just going to ignore him now. Absolutely unhealthily obsessed with repeating himself and claiming the whole company was in on it (100's of times).While ignoring everything else anyone is saying. And then going into another rant.And someone else mentioned it will go into bullying territory. They are right. I've no idea who I'm talking to and no idea of their circumstances or background so it's best to stop.
QuoteThis is understandable, since ALIEN's weakest point is its grand conspiracy, whose architects somehow know enough about the stranded E.T. vessel that (a) they want an alien specimen of their very own, and (b) to get one, they set up the Nostromo to voyage to the site of the vessel and to play Judas goat-- which proves to be a mistake, since one of the goats, Ellen Ripley (Sigourney Weaver), manages to slay the "lion." Ripley survives the destruction of the ravening alien and the Nostromo, submerged for 57 years in shuttle-cryosleep, until a salvage crew finds her and returns her to Earth. If there are any of the conspirators still rattling around, they're more than willing to stay hidden in the shadows, while Ripley takes the heat for blowing up a company-owned vessel, allegedly to destroy a hostile xenomorph.
QuoteIt doesn't make sense people could be fans of this universe and miss the subtext or pretty obvious narrative and what it's trying to say. Did they watch the films? All 6 films and the Alien: Isolation game are EXPLICITLY about the military-industrial complex using human lives as pawns. It's about greed. It's about capitalism. It's about labor exploitation (THE SHARES? Riiiiiiight). It's about sex and gender politics. It's right in your face.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2023, 01:54:52 AM"Pretending to use AI"
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 26, 2023, 05:08:57 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2023, 01:54:52 AM"Pretending to use AI" Uber ChatGPT is offended by that assertion
Quote from: ralfy on Jul 26, 2023, 01:48:42 AMAs for those who resorted to pretending to use AI to come up with senseless responses, among others, you can forget about it.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2023, 05:15:33 AMQuote from: Engineer on Jul 26, 2023, 05:08:57 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2023, 01:54:52 AM"Pretending to use AI" Uber ChatGPT is offended by that assertion I suspect he thinks that everyone is as willing and able to churn out walls of text as he is, so I must have written all those posts myself and inexplicably signed them as ChatGPT for some reason.
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 26, 2023, 03:34:02 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2023, 05:15:33 AMQuote from: Engineer on Jul 26, 2023, 05:08:57 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2023, 01:54:52 AM"Pretending to use AI" Uber ChatGPT is offended by that assertion I suspect he thinks that everyone is as willing and able to churn out walls of text as he is, so I must have written all those posts myself and inexplicably signed them as ChatGPT for some reason.Damn! You quoted me faster than I could "quick edit" my typo lmao
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