Ridley developing new Alien film (THR)

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Oasis Nadrama

I'm the absolute reverse, I want Ridley to work on Alien movies again and to get absolute BATSHIT CRAZY, I want him to make everyone including myself outraged and deadly angry, please Ridley do the Alien universe equivalent of Napoléonian canonballs in pyramids and sharks in colosseums, do worse even, I beg of you, bring us absolute chaos, a good kick right in our little ant nest of a franchise, I want to get WRECKED!

SiL

SiL

#106
Yes but you don't actually like Alien movies.

Neila

Neila

#107
Quote from: SiL on Nov 07, 2024, 08:11:18 AMI don't know where this notion has come from lately that Alien was made as some kind of studio-backed arthouse production - it was made as a crowd-pleasing horror film.

I didn't mean that either.

However, there is a difference between a director wanting to contribute something truly new and making it appear visually like a work of art.
Romulus looks fantastic, but Scott's imagery is more artistic, visually like a painting. Alvarez had made things a little easier for himself.
Scott dares much more.

 The popularity of each film remains an open question, but Scott often treats it like a work of art.
I think of Covenant's homage to Böckling's painting or that the flower that David places on Shaw's grave looks like an alien egg.
Of course it's primarily about success, i.e. commerce, but it depends on how it's packaged to call it artful.

Romulus is a beautiful comic while Prometheus and Covenant are sophisticated paintings.

And that, in my opinion, is where the difference lies in general from the Predator series and also from the audience.
There are people who are annoyed by what Scott did with it, they want to see Alien action.
I think the young audience in particular is increasingly inclined towards this, which certainly supports the success of Romulus.
Then there are the "philosophers" who welcomed the fact that the Alien series was raised to this level by Scott and wanted to move away from the everyday Alien style.


Personally, I think a well-dosed mixture would be the right direction for further films.
it is not impossible and can be commercially successful.

Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Nov 07, 2024, 08:24:31 AMI'm the absolute reverse, I want Ridley to work on Alien movies again and to get absolute BATSHIT CRAZY, I want him to make everyone including myself outraged and deadly angry, please Ridley do the Alien universe equivalent of Napoléonian canonballs in pyramids and sharks in colosseums, do worse even, I beg of you, bring us absolute chaos, a good kick right in our little ant nest of a franchise, I want to get WRECKED!
Well, not that I don't like Scott's entries, but according to fan polls, he did it back in 2012  ;)




SiL

SiL

#108
Quote from: Neila on Nov 07, 2024, 10:51:02 AM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 07, 2024, 08:11:18 AMI don't know where this notion has come from lately that Alien was made as some kind of studio-backed arthouse production - it was made as a crowd-pleasing horror film.

I didn't mean that either.

That wasn't aimed at you, sorry.

Neila

Quote from: SiL on Nov 07, 2024, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: Neila on Nov 07, 2024, 10:51:02 AM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 07, 2024, 08:11:18 AMI don't know where this notion has come from lately that Alien was made as some kind of studio-backed arthouse production - it was made as a crowd-pleasing horror film.

I didn't mean that either.

That wasn't aimed at you, sorry.
no problem, then I misunderstood it.

Oasis Nadrama

Quote from: SiL on Nov 07, 2024, 08:43:55 AMYes but you don't actually like Alien movies.

You're right, I don't like them. I love them.  :-[

Nightmare Asylum

QuotePeople keep wondering if there will be a sequel to Covenant. But it occurred to me after watching Romulus that the next movie could be both. Both films ended with ships headed to a planet we've never been to. There's no reason those characters couldn't end up in the same place.

Covenant is the best one [for a sequel] because it leaves the girl in the [cryo pod] and [Michael Fassbender's killer android] David has alien eggs and 2,000 colonists hanging around. It's a perfect beginning.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/ridley-scott-interview-gladiator-2-alien-blade-runner-1236049190/

Slutty Badger


RIP77

RIP77

#113
In that interview he says he won't do any more Alien due to other people and that he's busy.
He believes that there are people  who failed him and he cannot film the prequel ?

"Then I went back with Alien: Covenant, and that was big and ambitious and maybe too intellectual to play as well. It still did $250 million, and I still stupidly didn't lock it up. I don't blame me, because I'm busy. I blame a couple other people, which is why we parted company."


So he brags about the end of Covenant but at the same time says he's not thinking about that right now , It does not depend on him, and that his next movie is about a music band.

Another issue is that David8 could appear in Romulus II in some way.



Nightmare Asylum

I like that Ridley seems to see Covenant as the more intellectual one over Prometheus (he's right).

Kimarhi

Covenant IS a better movie than Prometheus.  Its just that everything spawned from Prometheus has very limited potential, because Prometheus IS TRASH. 

It's like if Natalie Portman was born from a ten dollar meth addicted hooker.




Samhain13

The guy just won't quit

Oasis Nadrama

Prometheus is the best thing to have happened to this franchise.

Alien: Covenant is pretentious, predictable, unimaginative and doesn't have half of the beauty and audacity of the previous movie.

SiL

SiL

#118
What's audacious about Prometheus?

Oasis Nadrama

Prometheus adds an entire new dimension to the setting, the existential/spiritual/philosophical side, a quest for origins, meaning and destiny, and with that it enlarges the scale with stunning grandiose music and panoramic, it is almost the opposite of the first Alien movie in this regard, rather than claustrophobia, everything is big, too big for the human being, it is an entire different approach to cosmic horror putting the emphasis on how everything in this universe is at a larger scale than us, a scale we cannot hope to truly comprehend.







And then it crashes this magnitude and magnificence against the (usual for this series) body horror, putting humans back in their place as meat, biomass only fit to be used in larger processes by more powerful entities. It is an absolutely sinister and cynical answer to existential inquiries which possesses its own kind of morbid beauty.







Prometheus also proposes a movie almost entirely devoid of the emblematic Alien monster. The 1979 nightmare is only present through echoes, most of them being peripheral and of no consequence to the main plot and action. You could remove the Fifield abomination and the Deacon particularly without changing the story structure... and Damon & Ridley probably should have, for these superfluous elements are one of the main aesthetical and narrative weaknesses of the work(along with the well-know plotholes).

It's a brave move to choose to NOT rely on the Alien, and given previous exchanges ("The Alien is cooked", "the problem is that every single movie in this franchise features them, in the exact same way", you already know, SiL, that it's one I entirely welcome, and that it's one I even think necessary for the franchise to develop.







Additionally, the movie takes a few radical positions that people will hate or love, such as the Space Jockey fossil in Alien being retconned into a biomechanical spacesuit for human-like extraterrestrial, superhuman creatures who seed the cosmos with life (tying back to the "ancient astronauts" conspiracy theory and to a lot of popular UFO mythology), the Derelict ship being retconned into a bomber loaded with bioweapons, or a "black liquid" (inspired by the black oil in X-Files?), a mutagenic substance turning lifeforms into contagious, predatory abominations.

Personally I'm not entirely happy with these positions, for various reasons - I like the Engineer design but I dislike abandoning the elephantine profile, I think it's a mistake to explain all of the remaining mysteries of Alien, etc - but they are risk takings. They sweep over decades of extended universe works and fanon imagination and impose new facts upon what we thought we knew.

Despite its imperfections, Prometheus is a complete and bold new proposition.

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