David did not kill Shaw

Started by The_Foxcatcher, Sep 14, 2024, 09:21:07 AM

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The_Foxcatcher

The_Foxcatcher

Why were David's eyes in tears when he was off-loading the cargo of black goo?

This question is one of the most intriguing ones, as it suggests an emotional connection and hints at his love for Elizabeth Shaw. Why else would he cry? Who else would he cry for? Shaw died in the spaceship during their journey from LV-224 to Planet 4. David was cared for by Shaw, and his love for her grew to a level where she became the only person he loved, while the rest of the world meant nothing to him. Shaw's death resulted from wounds she sustained during surgery, likely due to a lack of appropriate medicines on the Engineer's spaceship or possibly an infection that eventually took her life. The root cause, of course, was the Black goo invented by the Engineers. Consequently, the Engineers appear as enemies to David, the cause of the loss of the one he loved unconditionally.

Planet 4 was never the home planet of the Engineers; it was just another planet where the Engineers seeded life, similar to what they did on Earth. The humanoids on that planet welcomed the Engineers' spaceship as if greeting gods, viewing them as divine beings to be worshiped.

When David and Shaw boarded the Engineers' ship in Prometheus, they chose the same destination, presumably pre-set in their system, assuming Planet-4 was the Engineers' home planet.

David unleashed the Black goo, killing all the Humanoids in his vengeance & despise, carrying the weight of his loss with tears in his eyes.

After settling on Planet-4, the lonely David attempted to revive Shaw in various ways, possibly using the black goo or attempting to create a bio-mechanical version of her. The dissected and disfigured body of Shaw we saw was the result of several failed attempts by David.

The crucial point is that David never killed Shaw. It would have been impossible for him to do so. His remarks to Daniels about what he did to Shaw were merely satirical.

After losing Shaw, David became fascinated with 'creation' and sought to create the perfect organism. Following Shaw's death, other humans meant nothing to him, and this marked the birth of the villain within him.

SiL

SiL

#1
Humans meant nothing to David in Prometheus, let alone Covenant.

He was scripted to break her neck. There's really no reason to believe this didn't happen.

SM

SM

#2
QuoteThe crucial point is that David never killed Shaw. It would have been impossible for him to do so.

Based on...?

QuoteWhy were David's eyes in tears when he was off-loading the cargo of black goo?

Because he was more powerful than God.

OpenMaw

OpenMaw

#3
Quote from: SM on Sep 14, 2024, 11:59:53 AMBecause he was more powerful than God.

Well, and David is insane.

SM

SM

#4
He is as he was programmed to be.

David Weyland

David Weyland

#5
Twas awfully high up, perhaps the wind shear triggered it

OpenMaw

OpenMaw

#6
Quote from: SM on Sep 14, 2024, 10:25:03 PMHe is as he was programmed to be.

Programming can degrade. Especially when it gets knocked around and broken into pieces and then put back together in less than ideal conditions.

Elmazalman

Elmazalman

#7
Quote from: OpenMaw on Sep 15, 2024, 12:58:21 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 14, 2024, 10:25:03 PMHe is as he was programmed to be.

Programming can degrade. Especially when it gets knocked around and broken into pieces and then put back together in less than ideal conditions.

He was already 'damaged' when he poured Shaw's husband that drink ...

thexenomorph

thexenomorph

#8
I would love if they revealed that the "Shaw" that David killed was just a clone he created of her, and that the original Shaw is still alive in cryosleep somewhere.

SM

SM

#9
Quote from: Elmazalman on Sep 15, 2024, 04:00:44 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Sep 15, 2024, 12:58:21 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 14, 2024, 10:25:03 PMHe is as he was programmed to be.

Programming can degrade. Especially when it gets knocked around and broken into pieces and then put back together in less than ideal conditions.

He was already 'damaged' when he poured Shaw's husband that drink ...

He wasn't damaged.  He was doing as he was told.

Kradan

Kradan

#10
Quote from: SM on Sep 14, 2024, 11:59:53 AM
QuoteWhy were David's eyes in tears when he was off-loading the cargo of black goo?

Because he was more powerful than God.

So these were tears of joy ?


Quote from: thexenomorph on Sep 15, 2024, 04:06:24 AMI would love if they revealed that the "Shaw" that David killed was just a clone he created of her, and that the original Shaw is still alive in cryosleep somewhere.

Um ... naaah

Elmazalman

Elmazalman

#11
Quote from: SM on Sep 15, 2024, 04:21:35 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Sep 15, 2024, 04:00:44 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Sep 15, 2024, 12:58:21 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 14, 2024, 10:25:03 PMHe is as he was programmed to be.

Programming can degrade. Especially when it gets knocked around and broken into pieces and then put back together in less than ideal conditions.

He was already 'damaged' when he poured Shaw's husband that drink ...

He wasn't damaged.  He was doing as he was told.

"Damaged" as in already having a low opinion of humanity.

SiL

SiL

#12
SM's point is David was doing what he was instructed from the outset. He wasn't damaged, he was just programmed to be that much of an asshole if he could justify it.

Elmazalman

Elmazalman

#13
Quote from: SiL on Sep 15, 2024, 06:41:44 AMSM's point is David was doing what he was instructed from the outset. He wasn't damaged, he was just programmed to be that much of an asshole if he could justify it.

I understood what he meant.

How do you know he was programmed to be a prick? In Covenant it was shown that he already had a bit of an 'attitude' problem since inception (questioning his creator on the superiority of humans).

SiL

SiL

#14
If you understood what he meant then what I said followed on pretty naturally from that. He poisoned Holloway in accordance with his programming. Pretty prickish trying to do.

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