Predator + Prey X AvP Galaxy Crossover Topic: Predator Lore & Culture

Started by Russutja of the HOTU Clan, Sep 13, 2024, 09:19:47 AM

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Predator + Prey X AvP Galaxy Crossover Topic: Predator Lore & Culture (Read 2,895 times)

SiL

Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Oct 02, 2024, 09:19:01 AMThe word "Alien" is an adjective evoking the strange and the unknown.
Meanwhile in reality it immediately became known to refer to the actual creature, not a nebulous concept of other.

QuoteFurthermore, it is not inimaginable to do a movie in the Alien universe without the Alien title. And in fact, that may be preferrable.
Yes, Prometheus is widely considered a high point of the franchise.  :laugh:

Neila

Neila

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Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Oct 02, 2024, 09:19:01 AMThe word "Alien" is an adjective evoking the strange and the unknown. You empty the title more of its sense by obstinately featuring the exact same creature and biological processes over and over again than by looking for different kinds of entities and body horror.

Furthermore, it is not inimaginable to do a movie in the Alien universe without the Alien title. And in fact, that may be preferrable.

Numerotation of distinct movies leads towards serial production. Independent title leads towards new stories.
That's exactly what Scott had planned and implemented with Prometheus.
(or had Lindelhof persuaded him, I'm not sure)
he thought the xenomorph had been shown enough times and then went the other way.
a film that belongs to the alien universe but has a different focus.
The original plan was to make at least 3 films with the last one building a bridge to Alien1 at the end.

I think I would have liked that even better. As the very last scene, the space jockeys' ship crashing on LV-426.

Despite the many negative reviews, Prometheus was already quite successful.
Actually, nothing stood in the way of Scott's plan. except many fans and fox.

I once heard somewhere that Scott in Covenant might have used David as a metaphor for himself.
"I'm not allowed to expand the engineers any further? OK, then they have to be buried."
Doesn't a tear fall down David's face when he does that?
hmmmm...

sorry for deviating from the actual topic

Oasis Nadrama

Yeah, we're all getting wildly offtopic. I'll leave SiL to repeat that we need more Alien movies with the exact same creature over and over and more Predator movie with the exact same hunter over and over again (urgh) and just refocus.

If we're going by the sadly subpar development of the franchise so far, what makes a Predator a Predator is their enjoyment of the hunt for the hunt, of the trophies, and above everything...

... their taste for challenging preys.


Predators don't want easy targets, they want a game which can answer to them, a sapient game, a game which can potentially defeat them.

That's the heart of their character.

SiL

@Oasis Nadrama You can move on without being a c**t about it! It is possible. I believe in you.

SM

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Local Trouble

I am enjoying this thread.

Mr.Turok

Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Sep 29, 2024, 01:50:02 PMWould it ever occur to the jury that the Predator culture and society did not need to be focused on hunting?

It would not be called Predator then, it would be called something else as basically you want a totally different film and character lol

Yes, ever since Prey came about, people love the idea of dropping the Predator in various points in time from the Crusades, Old Kingdom of Egypt, WWII, Mesoamerican times, ect. It's cool seeing the Predator do Predator things. What you mentioned about the torture and stuff is basically the Dark Eldar from WH40k. Just look at that instead.

If anything, small glimpses of their culture and belief system would be pretty cool to see. Like how in expanded media they mentioned their gods of thunder, hunt, war, ect. Would be neat to see some of that come into play like perhaps inscribed on their gear and armor of their favorite gods, or some kind of new hunting ritual perhaps.

Besides that you can't have a Godzilla movie without Godzilla, you can't have a Predator movie without a Predator doing Predator things. There is a point where the Predator no longer is a Predator, the character that pop culture recognizes, if you ascribe it not Predator things. If you want a cheeseburger, leave the pizza joint and find a cheeseburger joint.

SiL

If one thinks a franchise shouldn't revisit or pivot around certain concepts, one can always simply not engage with the franchise and seek out other media.


Oasis Nadrama

SiL, you seem to have an habit of building extraordinary strawmen. At no point did I post in my messages that I wanted Predators to stop hunting, just like I never posted I wanted the Big Chap to disappear.

In fact, regarding the Predators, I specifically gave in my first message in this thread examples of ways to diversify the hunting.

Again, it can be repeated: there are other kinds of hunting than trophy hunting, and you do NOT need their society to revolve around hunting in order to feature hunts in the movie.



Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 06, 2024, 03:49:24 AM
Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Sep 29, 2024, 01:50:02 PMWould it ever occur to the jury that the Predator culture and society did not need to be focused on hunting?

It would not be called Predator then, it would be called something else as basically you want a totally different film and character lol

Yes, ever since Prey came about, people love the idea of dropping the Predator in various points in time from the Crusades, Old Kingdom of Egypt, WWII, Mesoamerican times, ect. It's cool seeing the Predator do Predator things. What you mentioned about the torture and stuff is basically the Dark Eldar from WH40k. Just look at that instead.

If anything, small glimpses of their culture and belief system would be pretty cool to see. Like how in expanded media they mentioned their gods of thunder, hunt, war, ect. Would be neat to see some of that come into play like perhaps inscribed on their gear and armor of their favorite gods, or some kind of new hunting ritual perhaps.

Besides that you can't have a Godzilla movie without Godzilla, you can't have a Predator movie without a Predator doing Predator things. There is a point where the Predator no longer is a Predator, the character that pop culture recognizes, if you ascribe it not Predator things. If you want a cheeseburger, leave the pizza joint and find a cheeseburger joint.

Am I misreading your opinion? Do you really, honestly, want franchises to always propose the exact same meal?

Mr.Turok

Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Oct 06, 2024, 12:57:56 PMAm I misreading your opinion? Do you really, honestly, want franchises to always propose the exact same meal?
It's a pizza that can have many types of toppings and even the crust has variety like being thin, thick, or cheese stuffed crust so it can be many things, HOWEVER at the end of the day it is a pizza, which is exactly what I order when I go into a pizza joint. If I wanted burgers, I'd go into a burger joint. You can only do so much until the identity of what it once was, no longer is that.

If a Predator is dropped into a revenge film, it changes the dynamic of the usual revenge film tropes. If a Predator drops into a spy film, it also changes the dynamic of a spy film tropes. One of the most interesting qualities of the Predator is that dropped into a point of time with a theme to it and it can make for interesting story telling. From the manly 80s action, to the detective cop mystery/action, to a coming of age film, the Predator's presence changes the trajectory of the story without compromising the core concept of the being here to hunt prey. Even the Predator POV story, Concrete Jungle provides a great story of redemption as the Predator being the central role. It's not the same meal at all, you just crave something else entirely.

I'd recommend the Hellraiser series for the "Predator artists who would collect humans en masse to turn them into ART" concept. It does that remarkably well plus torture, and it's own series entirely so least its not the same meal for you.

Oasis Nadrama

Okay, I disagree with you, but I respect your position, I understand we have different views about how a franchise should work and about the amount of flexibility it should offer when it comes to new idea.
Thank you for explaining your perspective in details!



Again, let's re-focus. What makes a Predator a Predator?

Mr.Turok

Mr.Turok

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Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Oct 07, 2024, 07:30:35 PMOkay, I disagree with you, but I respect your position, I understand we have different views about how a franchise should work and about the amount of flexibility it should offer when it comes to new idea.
Thank you for explaining your perspective in details!



Again, let's re-focus. What makes a Predator a Predator?

The issue is that last time someone tried your concept, hunting for a different reason, his name was Shane Black and his idea was that what if Predators hunted for autism instead for honor and trophies. THAT film nearly killed the series. Prey 2022 came along and said hey what if Predator but in the 18th century and a Comanche protag. Revived the series from the dead with so much positive acclaim and interest of the series, with people injecting ideas of where a Predator can go hunting next with new numerous projects in the works.
 
People wanna see Predators wreak shit in different time periods and even crossovers because simply that's badass to see. The people have spoken, it's not even a different viewpoint of mine, the people just like to see the Predator in action. It what makes it unique compared to other series. You take that away and it becomes generic like the rest. No real core identity or nothing that makes it notable. I just see nothing in your viewpoint that keeps the Predator a Predator without it being completely something else so unfamiliar that people will turn away from it as they did for the autism hunting Predators in the fourth film.

CANNON

CANNON

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IMO,

Predator = JH

Their mystery.

Their Intelligence, their learning, watching and studying their prey.

Their calculated Patience and stalking.

Their movement, slow and precise.

Their awareness and use of the environment.

Their choice to remain hidden - invisible.

Their taunting and mimicking - provocateur.

Their deliberate and thoughtful execution when choosing to strike.

Their Wristblades and Shoulder cannon and the choice as to when to use them.

Their trophies, their flaying.

Their design (Winston).

Hunter.

The important aspect to consider when understanding Predator is it's thought process. The decisions behind each movement and act tells everything we need to know, giving a comprehensive understanding of Predators psyche while still remaining shrouded in mystery.

Neila

a Predator is a Predator if...
...he is a lousy scumbag who loves to hunt his prey, preferably invisibly, and bring them down.
....he enjoys the superiority of his weapons and plays with his opponent.
....he has no honor,and even in defeat he sticks a nice little bomb under his opponent's ass as a farewell.
("You think you've defeated me? Then consider that")

A predator is no longer a predator if...
...he starts to team up with humans.
...he should think about honor.
...he is being made more and more into a superhero.
...he starts cracking jokes.
...he lets Teenager Girls beat him up.
...he acts stupidly and sends himself to the afterlife in a fight with his own weapons.

just my opinion.


Oasis Nadrama

Alien X Predator X Terminator X Blade Runner X Avatar crossover when.  ;D

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