Ridley Scott: "Never Say Never"

Started by Nightmare Asylum, Aug 16, 2024, 04:19:32 PM

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Ridley Scott: "Never Say Never" (Read 3,170 times)

0321recon

0321recon

#15
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 16, 2024, 10:29:56 PM
Quote from: CANNON on Aug 16, 2024, 10:16:12 PM
Quote from: thexenomorph on Aug 16, 2024, 10:12:47 PMPlease bring Shaw back somehow!!!!

Yeah sorely missed in covenant. Had a strong lead and then lost it for a weak one.

Have the body in Covenant be a clone, generated from DNA samples through the Pathogen perhaps, make all the drawings representative of both fantasies and experiments.

Real Shaw f**king ditched.

Why not? We jumped the shark, so f**king use it.

I agree. Seeing Romulus, and whatever they were doing there, Scott and Fede can write how she got away from David, and then show how he created a clone using samples of Shaw's hair or skin before she bounced out from Planet 4 to the actual Alien/Engineers homeworld using one of the jagernaughts. In this final film, David suspecting were Shaw went, he detours the Covenant from Origae 6 and reaches the Alien homeworld. Shaw freaks out knowing who is in that ship and warns the engineers of the incoming doom David has prepared for them enter the fight between David's variation of the Aliens and the Engineers

Nightmare Asylum

No cloning necessary imo. There's kinda the implication that David had been keeping her "alive" past the point of natural death (maybe even killing/reviving her over and over again?) as he uses her womb to make his Eggs. And Romulus does something similar with...

Spoiler
the rat being smashed and then resuscitated before it gives "birth" via the Black Goo infection.
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If they really wanted to bring Shaw back in some Frankensteined capacity, there's absolutely an in to do it.

marrerom

marrerom

#17
I'm hoping that with the critical and box-office success of Romulus Disney will give Ridley the green light to make his final Alien film.  I am dying to see David again.

Scorched Vuvalini

Quote from: marrerom on Aug 18, 2024, 04:12:39 AMI'm hoping that with the critical and box-office success of Romulus Disney will give Ridley the green light to make his final Alien film.  I am dying to see David again.
Amen. I have plenty of problems with the movies but Fassbender is magnificent in the role and a delight to watch. (Well, he's Fassbender, so I suppose it's inevitable to some degree. :laugh: ) My life won't be entirely complete until the prequels complete the in-joke started with the names "David" and "Walter", and give us a third Fassbot named "Gordon", either.

BlueMarsalis79

@Nightmare Asylum

I think people want original recipe Shaw when they say this stuff, that the body or bodies we saw amounted to offspring in some bizarre form.

CANNON

CANNON

#20
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 18, 2024, 03:11:42 AMNo cloning necessary imo. There's kinda the implication that David had been keeping her "alive" past the point of natural death (maybe even killing/reviving her over and over again?) as he uses her womb to make his Eggs. And Romulus does something similar with...

Spoiler
the rat being smashed and then resuscitated before it gives "birth" via the Black Goo infection.
[close]

If they really wanted to bring Shaw back in some Frankensteined capacity, there's absolutely an in to do it.

This would be wild, and disturbing. Theoretically it could work.

Paradise

Paradise

#21
It's most interesting to me that Scott didn't answer by saying that Romulus is the follow-up, with his creative input, in his role of influence as executive producer for the Alien series now.

Would have been a clean answer that redirected attention to Romulus and Fede Alvarez, which is presumably an objective of this press tour for Disney. But it's exciting to me that he doesn't rule out continuing his personal Alien saga story. Hopefully a financially successful Romulus opens doors for Scott Free Productions expanding Alien further, including the movie maestro returning to direct.

I'm appreciative that an interviewer finally asked Scott forwardly about the prequels, both to reflect on the themes a decade later and to ask about his desire to still make a direct follow-up, in the Romulus press tour.

xenosemen

xenosemen

#22
I'm in the minority of minorities of those who believe that "David is the [79' film's] Space Jockey" is the only way to finish off the prequel series in a compelling yet non-pandering way. Before Prometheus debuted I wanted the same non humanoid 'elephant men' on 'Giger-world' that everyone else is still pining for. Since then, however, I've come to accept and appreciate the prequels' own merits, mysteries, and admittedly subversive vision. Now fortified by Alien Romulus, the prequels are feeling even more lore-consistent and thematically profound.

That said, I think David has proven to be a remarkable anti-hero, deserving of an implied Promethean punishment (or self-sacrifice): one that might result in the first synthetic to not only to be mutated into the giant space jockey seen in Alien, but to be somehow infused with the derelict, and, moreover, impregnated with a xenomorph embryo in some way...perhaps even giving birth to the first alien queen (seen in Aliens). Furthermore, the genesis of an queen, could be David's way of ensuring the self-perpetuation of the xenomorph (primordially worshiped and exsanguinated by the Engineer race), beyond David's 'lifespan'.     

Note that the supposed age of the 'fossilized' jockey in Alien, is purely speculated by the Nostromo crew; so long as the biomechanical mutation is either willingly achieved or forced upon David, a 3rd prequel could plausibly, through that mutation, bring David's corpse up to scale with 79's. This is the only way forward. Love it or hate it, with Romulus included, we are now three films deep into Ridley's personal vision and too steeped in David's experiments, to satisfyingly retcon his diabolical efforts.   

PortugueseXeno

Quote from: xenosemen on Aug 23, 2024, 01:31:17 PMI'm in the minority of minorities of those who believe that "David is the [79' film's] Space Jockey" is the only way to finish off the prequel series in a compelling yet non-pandering way. Before Prometheus debuted I wanted the same non humanoid 'elephant men' on 'Giger-world' that everyone else is still pining for. Since then, however, I've come to accept and appreciate the prequels' own merits, mysteries, and admittedly subversive vision. Now fortified by Alien Romulus, the prequels are feeling even more lore-consistent and thematically profound.

That said, I think David has proven to be a remarkable anti-hero, deserving of an implied Promethean punishment (or self-sacrifice): one that might result in the first synthetic to not only to be mutated into the giant space jockey seen in Alien, but to be somehow infused with the derelict, and, moreover, impregnated with a xenomorph embryo in some way...perhaps even giving birth to the first alien queen (seen in Aliens). Furthermore, the genesis of an queen, could be David's way of ensuring the self-perpetuation of the xenomorph (primordially worshiped and exsanguinated by the Engineer race), beyond David's 'lifespan'.     

Note that the supposed age of the 'fossilized' jockey in Alien, is purely speculated by the Nostromo crew; so long as the biomechanical mutation is either willingly achieved or forced upon David, a 3rd prequel could plausibly, through that mutation, bring David's corpse up to scale with 79's. This is the only way forward. Love it or hate it, with Romulus included, we are now three films deep into Ridley's personal vision and too steeped in David's experiments, to satisfyingly retcon his diabolical efforts.   
David has not proven himself to be a remarkable anti-hero, he is a straight up villain and i think it would be far more compelling for him to come face to face with the ego-shattering acceptance that he is nothing more than a "fraud" creator that has been playing with very "old toys" that predate the Engineers and Space Jockeys.

Have him be psychologically defeated with that revelation but also physically, once his "creations" turn on him and destroying his body and leaving him to rot for eternity, therefore making him into the titular Prometheus.

David being the Pilot of the Derelict and creator of the actual original Xenomorphs would go against everyhting that this universe is about.

xenosemen

xenosemen

#24
Quote from: PortugueseXeno on Aug 23, 2024, 02:54:46 PMDavid has not proven himself to be a remarkable anti-hero, he is a straight up villain and i think it would be far more compelling for him to come face to face with the ego-shattering acceptance that he is nothing more than a "fraud" creator that has been playing with very "old toys" that predate the Engineers and Space Jockeys.

Have him be psychologically defeated with that revelation but also physically, once his "creations" turn on him and destroying his body and leaving him to rot for eternity, therefore making him into the titular Prometheus.

David being the Pilot of the Derelict and creator of the actual original Xenomorphs would go against everyhting that this universe is about.

Whether one views David as 'anti-hero' or 'villain' isn't the point of my post, so much as that he's central to the plot of invoking that primordial cosmic entity of horror which we've come to know as the xenomorph through nigh black magic sciences. He's on the path to resurrecting the ancient starbeast (that we all might have spawned from), synthesizing it in the flesh from its DNA remnants recovered on LV-223. It's been quite a Lovecraftian and earned ambition thus far. I'd be just as fine with him being force-transformed into a biomechanical space-jockey-juggernaut hybrid out of sheer hubris, as I would be if he were to have the same outcome through self-sacrifice. One thing's for sure, he's got a lot of explaining to do in order to tie it all together.

*I'm not sure why people get so confused and think that the xenomorph is being generated for the very first time by David; David is like a dark magician resurrecting a pre-existing cosmic demon via DNA-manipulation. In Prometheus, the xenomorph mural and the thousands of urns chock full of its 'black goo' semen are enough to infer the creature's pre-existence.

David Weyland

David Weyland

#25
I think certainly the traits and characteristics of the Xenomorph come from the black goo

An interesting detail often overlooked I think in Prometheus is the lead up to the reveal of the mural.

It is when David touches the liquid with his finger in the ampules room & remarks it as 'Organic' that then the images in the ceiling begin to change,Shaw comments that she thinks they've contaminated the room & a storm kicks off outside.
The scene then shows the mural.

Whether it means something implied or not, I think it's overlooked and to me makes me think of the mural as a kind of black mirror or portend of what is/was always to come when in contact with the substance.



Kradan

Kradan

#26
Quote from: PortugueseXeno on Aug 23, 2024, 02:54:46 PMDavid has not proven himself to be a remarkable anti-hero, he is a straight up villain and i think it would be far more compelling for him to come face to face with the ego-shattering acceptance that he is nothing more than a "fraud" creator that has been playing with very "old toys" that predate the Engineers and Space Jockeys.

Have him be psychologically defeated with that revelation but also physically, once his "creations" turn on him and destroying his body and leaving him to rot for eternity, therefore making him into the titular Prometheus.

David being the Pilot of the Derelict and creator of the actual original Xenomorphs would go against everyhting that this universe is about.

I agree

razeak

razeak

#27
Quote from: xenosemen on Aug 23, 2024, 01:31:17 PMI'm in the minority of minorities of those who believe that "David is the [79' film's] Space Jockey" is the only way to finish off the prequel series in a compelling yet non-pandering way. Before Prometheus debuted I wanted the same non humanoid 'elephant men' on 'Giger-world' that everyone else is still pining for. Since then, however, I've come to accept and appreciate the prequels' own merits, mysteries, and admittedly subversive vision. Now fortified by Alien Romulus, the prequels are feeling even more lore-consistent and thematically profound.

That said, I think David has proven to be a remarkable anti-hero, deserving of an implied Promethean punishment (or self-sacrifice): one that might result in the first synthetic to not only to be mutated into the giant space jockey seen in Alien, but to be somehow infused with the derelict, and, moreover, impregnated with a xenomorph embryo in some way...perhaps even giving birth to the first alien queen (seen in Aliens). Furthermore, the genesis of an queen, could be David's way of ensuring the self-perpetuation of the xenomorph (primordially worshiped and exsanguinated by the Engineer race), beyond David's 'lifespan'.     

Note that the supposed age of the 'fossilized' jockey in Alien, is purely speculated by the Nostromo crew; so long as the biomechanical mutation is either willingly achieved or forced upon David, a 3rd prequel could plausibly, through that mutation, bring David's corpse up to scale with 79's. This is the only way forward. Love it or hate it, with Romulus included, we are now three films deep into Ridley's personal vision and too steeped in David's experiments, to satisfyingly retcon his diabolical efforts.   
can you elaborate on WHY David has to be the space jockey?


Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 16, 2024, 10:29:56 PM
Quote from: CANNON on Aug 16, 2024, 10:16:12 PM
Quote from: thexenomorph on Aug 16, 2024, 10:12:47 PMPlease bring Shaw back somehow!!!!

Yeah sorely missed in covenant. Had a strong lead and then lost it for a weak one.

Have the body in Covenant be a clone, generated from DNA samples through the Pathogen perhaps, make all the drawings representative of both fantasies and experiments.

Real Shaw f**king ditched.

Why not? We jumped the shark, so f**king use it.
if they finish it, I vote for this.

Kimarhi

Kimarhi

#28
GET THIS GUY AWAY FROM THE FRANCHISE. 

xenosemen

xenosemen

#29
Quote from: razeak on Aug 24, 2024, 01:30:34 AM
Quote from: xenosemen on Aug 23, 2024, 01:31:17 PMI'm in the minority of minorities of those who believe that "David is the [79' film's] Space Jockey" is the only way to finish off the prequel series in a compelling yet non-pandering way. Before Prometheus debuted I wanted the same non humanoid 'elephant men' on 'Giger-world' that everyone else is still pining for. Since then, however, I've come to accept and appreciate the prequels' own merits, mysteries, and admittedly subversive vision. Now fortified by Alien Romulus, the prequels are feeling even more lore-consistent and thematically profound.

That said, I think David has proven to be a remarkable anti-hero, deserving of an implied Promethean punishment (or self-sacrifice): one that might result in the first synthetic to not only to be mutated into the giant space jockey seen in Alien, but to be somehow infused with the derelict, and, moreover, impregnated with a xenomorph embryo in some way...perhaps even giving birth to the first alien queen (seen in Aliens). Furthermore, the genesis of an queen, could be David's way of ensuring the self-perpetuation of the xenomorph (primordially worshiped and exsanguinated by the Engineer race), beyond David's 'lifespan'.     

Note that the supposed age of the 'fossilized' jockey in Alien, is purely speculated by the Nostromo crew; so long as the biomechanical mutation is either willingly achieved or forced upon David, a 3rd prequel could plausibly, through that mutation, bring David's corpse up to scale with 79's. This is the only way forward. Love it or hate it, with Romulus included, we are now three films deep into Ridley's personal vision and too steeped in David's experiments, to satisfyingly retcon his diabolical efforts.   
can you elaborate on WHY David has to be the space jockey?

Personally I want it to happen BECAUSE of how irreverent it is in regards to most fans' 'headcanons'
Headcanons aren't sacred; break them; kill them; turn them upside down, I say.

I only came to accept this possibility due to the likely true rumor that Ridley planned for this to happen. I personally would have gone a different route but have come to accept that both me and other fans have no say and should not have a say in the matter. Tale it or leave it. I do appreciate however that it would piss off fans and critics alike. I enjoy subversion if the narrative themes and characters remains otherwise compelling and while the prequels have been very much subversive they do also have compelling characters themes and narrative beats. Thus I'm open to anything so long as it's compelling. As I mature I side more with the philosophy that things fan theories, canon, preconceived notions and expectations, expanded universes, etc are all fair game to be demolished by whatever the actual cinematic storytellers (Scott, Alvarez, etc) have in store. Consistency doesn't matter to me anymore so long as the film is memorable and remarkable and has artistic merit.

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