The Re-birth of Kane

Started by The Nostromo Files [Redux], Apr 28, 2025, 03:31:51 PM

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Oasis Nadrama

Oasis Nadrama

#30
Quote from: SM on May 22, 2025, 02:09:26 AMThe only other Kane of note.


I'd prefer to celebrate an upstanding citizen.


BigDaddyJohn


Xenotaris

Xenotaris

#32
Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on May 21, 2025, 07:51:14 PMHowever, you get bonus point for instead thinking of the better Kain
I think Vampire The Masquerade/World of Darkness Caine is a lot more powerful since he basically knows all of the vampire disciplines and can create new ones on the spot. His powers were god-tier, he had mortals and vampires worship him back when he ruled the first city. I recommend reading through the Book of Nod or visiting the White Wolf wiki

https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Caine

Oasis Nadrama

Oasis Nadrama

#33
I wasn't talking in terms of power levels, but of writing quality.

That's not a criticism of White Wolf's World of Darkness, though - EVERYTHING is subpar compared to the excellence that is Legacy of Kain.


God this writing. This goddamn writing.








Quote from: Local Trouble on May 21, 2025, 07:55:43 PMI have never played that.

Those are excellent games. And Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain, Blood Omen 2 and Legacy of Kain: Defiance are on GOG for 3 euros total, while Legacy of Kain Soul Reaver 1 & 2 Remastered (the two Soul Reaver games) is at 29 euros on Steam.

You get the full series, 5 episodes of vampire madness, philosophical considerations and inextricable time travel, and the best video game story ever written, for 32 euros total.

Playing order:

1 - Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain
2 - Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
3 - Soul Reaver 2
4 - Blood Omen 2 (no I didn't mix the order)
5 - Legacy of Kain: Defiance







Quote from: SiL on May 21, 2025, 08:17:36 PMI still have no idea what's going on.

Okay, well, here is what's going on!

The story is set in a dark fantasy world, Nosgoth, full of gray morality (no heroes here).

At the center: the Pillars, a mystical monument that gives life to the world.

Each of the nine Pillars is tied to a different Guardian, an overpowerful wizard, and this Circle of Nine is tasked with protecting the world whose harmony the Pillars ensure.







Alas the Guardian of Balance is assassinated by a mysterious enemy, and her lover, the Guardian of Mind, becomes mad discovering her slaughtered corpses. Symbiotically tied to the rest of the Circle, he poisons them all with his destructive, twisted suffering, which has the double effect of:
1 - corrupting the Pillars, endangering all aspects of reality (time, space, energy, ecosystems etc)
2 - turning all of the benevolent Guardians into psychotic messes who will then work for the destruction of the world



The first game in the series, Blood Omen, begins 30 years after that, and it is the story of how Kain, a young vampire, will try to save the universe... and fail.







In the end, Kain chooses to doom Nosgoth, breaking the Pillars and establishing a empire of vampires in this dying world.

The second game, Soul Reaver, begins thousand of years later, the world is on the verge of extinction and you get an absolutely legendary intro movie.






Now, about time travel in Nosgoth, things start becoming less simple...

Xenotaris

Xenotaris

#34
Well World of Darkness/Vampire the Masquerade Caine might be a mythical being, even in-universe the vampires are not sure if the dark father is real. Its up to the player and the storyteller to decided if he is real in the setting or not.

But I don't have the heart to refute Legacy of Kane since I grew up with that game.

The Nostromo Files [Redux]

The Nostromo Files [Redux]

#35
Quote from: SM on Apr 28, 2025, 11:39:59 PMAlien : The Mark of Kane


(He'll have a son called Mark. Get it?  Eh? Eh?)
I get is SO much I only just now stopped laughing long enough to respond...or am I just late to the dance? Either way, good one, brother!  8)


Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 29, 2025, 12:04:08 AMAnd since continuity is optional now, clone-Kane will somehow have all the memories of the derelict that he didn't have in Alien.
Perhaps memories of John Merrick will be infused within...


Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 29, 2025, 01:17:52 AMI'll buy a ticket if this becomes a motion picture.

However the plot thickens when the twist is that there was TWO embryos implanted.
My brain just exploded that was SO good...(I mean that with zero sarcasm!)


Quote from: markweatherill on May 17, 2025, 06:26:52 PMThis reminded me of my own little exploration of similar themes:
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=66361.msg2598077#msg2598077

 :-*
Well I'll be a monkey's uncle...I'll have a read and bounce back at you, my friend.


Quote from: Xenotaris on May 21, 2025, 06:28:12 PMYou are all fools: Obviously Kane or rather Caine, never died. He is a vampire, the most powerful one at that! How else do you think Big Chap or should I say Big Chad survived all the way into Romulus? Big Chap is not dead, he is in topor.

If anyone could get the reference they get a cookie.
"I'm afraid I'll need to see a manager!"  8) 


Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 21, 2025, 07:40:39 PMI'm afraid I don't.
Never fear: Me either, man; me either.


Quote from: whiterabbit on May 21, 2025, 09:30:58 PMWait, so now Kane's frozen corpse needs a movie? Well why the hell not, I guess; he could have melted into black goo in his Sarcophagus Cocoon and is just waiting to end up as space windshield goo! Xenomorph hilarity ensues.
There'll be endless streaming serieseses, Precious, just like that "galaxy long ago and fur, fur, away..."


Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 21, 2025, 09:30:07 PM#KaneLives #KaneLivedTwice

https://i.ibb.co/dskwSmrV/Kane-Lives.jpg
#lovethemRomulusUIs


Quote from: SM on May 22, 2025, 02:09:26 AMThe only other Kane of note.

https://i0.wp.com/bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/poltergeist-kane.jpg?resize=700%2C350
Yep; all he needs is some 'inner teeth' and he's golden!


Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on May 22, 2025, 02:37:57 AM
Quote from: SM on May 22, 2025, 02:09:26 AMThe only other Kane of note.


I'd prefer to celebrate an upstanding citizen.

https://www.festival-deauville.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/photo-45-citizen-kane-1024x667.jpg
Wouldn't that high-brow (but fun) option require a release in the Criterion Collection?

BishopWantsIt

BishopWantsIt

#36
I don't play videogames, but I wanted to add that the myth of Cain being the first vampire, that the "mark of Cain" is vampirism is not an invention of a videogame.

Xenotaris

Xenotaris

#37
Quote from: BishopWantsIt on Jun 12, 2025, 04:43:49 PMI don't play videogames, but I wanted to add that the myth of Cain being the first vampire, that the "mark of Cain" is vampirism is not an invention of a videogame.
I was trying to reference an old 1991 Tabletop Role Playing game called Vampire: The Masquerade. Caine was given vampirism after he was trying to awaken himself as a mage but was met by four archangels. The first three angels gave him the curse of Fire, Sunlight, and thirst for blood. The last angel gave him and his children a way out of vampirism called Golconda.

BigDaddyJohn

BigDaddyJohn

#38
Quote from: Xenotaris on Jun 12, 2025, 05:20:40 PMVampire: The Masquerade

The video game was good too.

Xenotaris

Xenotaris

#39
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 12, 2025, 06:33:59 PM
Quote from: Xenotaris on Jun 12, 2025, 05:20:40 PMVampire: The Masquerade

The video game was good too.
Yep both Bloodlines and Redemption are the GOAT

BigDaddyJohn

BigDaddyJohn

#40
Acutally I never played Redemption, but I'm very curious how Bloodlines 2 will turn out.

Xenotaris

Xenotaris

#41
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 12, 2025, 11:14:44 PMI'm very curious how Bloodlines 2 will turn out.
I'm very cautious with Bloodlines 2, The Chinese Room dev team were being negative towards the first Bloodlines; which I find very concerning.

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