So I happened upon this mid-my Prometheus-to-Resurrection marathon with my daughter.
Kroft reckons he's sussed a way of marrying up the Aliens and Predator universes... the key point in this being that Bishop Weyland is in fact the
father of Peter Weyland in this fanon.
Not sure if this has been brought up before, but I thought it was noteworthy given that the dates could work.
I've not watched but I tend to not trust him as a rule of thumb since he made a load of videos off one of the fake Prometheus scripts.
He's made loads of videos full stop *lol*. I mean, he's seems committed to the franchise - I'm not nerdy enough to know if we bs-fanon our way into having the Bish as Mike From Neighbours father.
SM's timeline says Peter Weyland was born in "1990 (October 1) to an Oxford-educated Professor of Comparative Mythology and a self taught engineer." The Bish could be that self-taught engineer?
Ugh. No thank you.
Stacks of people have tried the 'Charles is Peter's father' method of marrying the two series. Fox says otherwise.
Maybe some day I'll also be able to underwhelm the world with my method of linking Alien and AvP...
We should start an Aliens Downunder podcast where we enthusiastically underwhelm people with idle musings and act like it's revelatory stuff.
Preach.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 01, 2018, 08:44:07 PM
We should start an Aliens Downunder podcast where we enthusiastically underwhelm people with idle musings and act like it's revelatory stuff.
"G'day. Now 'ere's somethin' you have'n' 'eard before, and it solves every mystery an' plugs evry plothole. Engineers made Aliens to foight the Predators!"
The alien/predator youtuber community is full of fan theorists who make up a lot of fan fiction and talk as if it was part of the series. I came across a guy who made a video about the predator's "council of ancients" from AVP: Extinction, he just read stuff from xenopedia then made up all the other information, trying to link that concept of the predator society with other games and books, even with the events from The Predator despite that council being briefly mentioned in a small section of only one game and never brought up again anywhere else.
Got about 2 minutes in before he started talking about space Jesus and turned it off.
It's a waste of time.
I'd appreciate this kind of thing more if it weren't just a guy reading a Xenopedia article into a mic that his mouth is WAY too close to, but that's what 99% of it seems like. When it gets into actual fan theories (ie: potential ways to link AVP and Prometheus) that's at least fun lore spit-balling, but the rest... eh.
Too many of these videos are simply ripped off from somewhere else, and are lazy excuses to pimp for Patreon $$$ and sell t-shirts. (I don't know if this one is - but it wouldn't surprise me).
Quote from: SM on Oct 02, 2018, 12:39:43 AM
Too many of these videos are simply ripped off from somewhere else, and are lazy excuses to pimp for Patreon $$$ and sell t-shirts. (I don't know if this one is - but it wouldn't surprise me).
Considering he has to resort to title clickbaits:
Probably yes. The guy just couldn't resist putting "Proof" in the title, someone better tell Ridley Scoot it was proved that his engineers created the predator lol.
I tried watching a couple more videos and they're all cherry picking clickbait drivel.
"All Proofs"
Perhaps "Genuine connections and thematic similarities." Is not profitable?
Quote from: SiL on Oct 01, 2018, 08:44:07 PM
We should start an Aliens Downunder podcast where we enthusiastically underwhelm people with idle musings and act like it's revelatory stuff.
Too late...
Quote from: SM on Oct 01, 2018, 08:50:20 PM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 01, 2018, 08:44:07 PM
We should start an Aliens Downunder podcast where we enthusiastically underwhelm people with idle musings and act like it's revelatory stuff.
"G'day. Now 'ere's somethin' you have'n' 'eard before, and it solves every mystery an' plugs evry plothole. Engineers made Aliens to foight the Predators!"
Dick! Aren't you supposed to be watching the kennels and making sure the snatchers don't escape? :laugh:
Nah, not moi shift ya drongo.
Quote from: Russ on Oct 02, 2018, 08:18:02 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 01, 2018, 08:44:07 PM
We should start an Aliens Downunder podcast where we enthusiastically underwhelm people with idle musings and act like it's revelatory stuff.
Too late...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m8CNvLtHXg
Whiny, boring, bullshit
and wank. Impressive.
Now, SM - don't get bent out of shape cos he Aussie-Casted his stuff first. :D :D :D
Quote from: SM on Oct 01, 2018, 08:41:27 PM
Stacks of people have tried the 'Charles is Peter's father' method of marrying the two series. Fox says otherwise.
Maybe some day I'll also be able to underwhelm the world with my method of linking Alien and AvP...
[actively derails the thread with a 7-page debate about why the Charles is Peter's father theory makes sense]
Real talk: it does make sense tho.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 02, 2018, 05:33:10 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 01, 2018, 08:41:27 PM
Stacks of people have tried the 'Charles is Peter's father' method of marrying the two series. Fox says otherwise.
Maybe some day I'll also be able to underwhelm the world with my method of linking Alien and AvP...
[actively derails the thread with a 7-page debate about why the Charles is Peter's father theory makes sense]
Real talk: it does make sense tho.
How about the Weyland guy at the end of Predator: Concrete Jungle? ;)
Brother? Cousin?
Quote from: SM on Oct 01, 2018, 08:41:27 PM
Stacks of people have tried the 'Charles is Peter's father' method of marrying the two series. Fox says otherwise.
The theory clearly works. When has fox said otherwise?
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Oct 02, 2018, 06:24:36 PM
When has fox said otherwise?
Fox doesn't care about any of that canon/continuity stuff, just that we keep giving them money. They give freedom for directors and writers to do their own thing.
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Oct 02, 2018, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 01, 2018, 08:41:27 PM
Stacks of people have tried the 'Charles is Peter's father' method of marrying the two series. Fox says otherwise.
The theory clearly works. When has fox said otherwise?
How does it work? Is Charles Bishop Weyland a professor of comparative mythology?
Fox has deliberately avoided linking Peter Weyland to AvP via the promotional material for Prometheus and the Weyland-Yutani Report - both of which were a prime opportunities to do so.
Quote from: SM on Oct 02, 2018, 08:31:33 PM
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Oct 02, 2018, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 01, 2018, 08:41:27 PM
Stacks of people have tried the 'Charles is Peter's father' method of marrying the two series. Fox says otherwise.
The theory clearly works. When has fox said otherwise?
How does it work? Is Charles Bishop Weyland a professor of comparative mythology?
Fox has deliberately avoided linking Peter Weyland to AvP via the promotional material for Prometheus and the Weyland-Yutani Report - both of which were a prime opportunities to do so.
They also deliberately didn't say Peter Weyland's father's name in the WY Report or the Weyland Corporate Timeline, despite those being a prime opportunity to do so and put the issue to rest once and for all. It's almost as if they're being intentionally vague, so that people who want to believe they're related can do so if they choose, and those who don't can believe that they're not.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 02, 2018, 05:56:32 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 02, 2018, 05:33:10 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 01, 2018, 08:41:27 PM
Stacks of people have tried the 'Charles is Peter's father' method of marrying the two series. Fox says otherwise.
Maybe some day I'll also be able to underwhelm the world with my method of linking Alien and AvP...
[actively derails the thread with a 7-page debate about why the Charles is Peter's father theory makes sense]
Real talk: it does make sense tho.
How about the Weyland guy at the end of Predator: Concrete Jungle? ;)
Brother? Cousin?
I genuinely don't remember that, I guess that's an excuse to replay the game and refresh myself on it. :P
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 02, 2018, 06:32:32 PM
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Oct 02, 2018, 06:24:36 PM
When has fox said otherwise?
Fox doesn't care about any of that canon/continuity stuff, just that we keep giving them money. They give freedom for directors and writers to do their own thing.
Also, this. "Canon" as a concept is not useful for fans, and it's only marginally useful for writers to provide them with a framework and context - and only if they feel they need it. If the license-holders are going to let writers do their own thing, then all that matters is, "is it a good/fun/effective story, well told?"
Also "canon" and "continuity" aren't synonyms.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 02, 2018, 09:11:10 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 02, 2018, 05:56:32 PM
How about the Weyland guy at the end of Predator: Concrete Jungle? ;)
Brother? Cousin?
I genuinely don't remember that, I guess that's an excuse to replay the game and refresh myself on it. :P
If you are interested: http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Weyland_(person)
If you really wanted to fit Concrete Jungle into the continuity you could easily say that this Weyland is Peter.
Quote from: SM on Oct 02, 2018, 08:31:33 PM
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Oct 02, 2018, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 01, 2018, 08:41:27 PM
Stacks of people have tried the 'Charles is Peter's father' method of marrying the two series. Fox says otherwise.
The theory clearly works. When has fox said otherwise?
How does it work? Is Charles Bishop Weyland a professor of comparative mythology?
Fox has deliberately avoided linking Peter Weyland to AvP via the promotional material for Prometheus and the Weyland-Yutani Report - both of which were a prime opportunities to do so.
Charles Bishop Weyland could have easily been a professor of comparative mythology in his earlier years, we know that he graduated from Harvard at 21 and that it was only after his fathers death that he inherited the company. You cannot possibly claim to know that Fox has deliberately avoided linking them with the purpose of keeping the universes separate. It more likely that it has been left vague so it's open to interpretation. I'm fine with you believing that they are separate universes but for people who like them to be under one universe it is possible.
If you do believe the Weyland Industries timeline truly contradicts AVP, what are you going to believe? some promotional work or an actual entry in the franchise? This timeline also suggests Peter created a cure for cancer in 2023 and who do we know dies from cancer? Amanda Ripley in 2178.
QuoteYou cannot possibly claim to know that Fox has deliberately avoided linking them with the purpose of keeping the universes separate.
I possibly can.
I'm not meaning to come at you; I'm just trying to spark the debate as I do enjoy the subject :)
Just because there is a cure for something, doesn't mean that someone still can't die from it. There is a lot of treatment out today that cures things that will kill you yet in some cases people still die from it, usually because they can't get the cure from where they are.
Amanda might have been unaware of the cancer until it was too late, or maybe she wanted to die. We have no idea who she was and how she lived at that age and that is assuming Burke didn't give Ripley false information.
I see the Weyland Industries timeline as part of the canon but I'm just saying that if something in a film or other piece of media contradicts it then it can be waved aside. I for one don't see any contradictions between this timeline and AVP.
The A-P series need to be rebooted, not have AVP and AVPR brought back from the grave...
Quote from: D. Compton Ambrose on Nov 23, 2018, 11:45:16 PM
The A-P series need to be rebooted, not have AVP and AVPR brought back from the grave...
Indeed.
Yeah, I agree. AVP and AVPR remaining non-canon and the AVP conflict being open to complete reinvention is the best option.
Such as seeing the first time a Alien encountered a Predator.
Now, AVP "First Contact" is an idea I'd enjoy seeing.