Thoughts on Alien Romulus?

Started by JoelCraike12, Sep 16, 2024, 09:36:03 PM

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Sevastopol

Sevastopol

#45
Quote from: SiL on Mar 22, 2025, 10:21:55 AMThere's little gore, less horror, and none of the tension of Isolation.

Yup, the action, the plot and the scenery are what makes it very Isolation-esque.

SiL

SiL

#46
I wouldn't say the plot or the action was anything like Isolation. Just the scenery in places.

The Cruentus

The Cruentus

#47
I would argue that at least one scene was isolation-like and that was when Scorched was messing with Kay. The sounds made by the alien in the distance is similar to the when Amanda is trying to get into the elevator after witnessing Axel's death and you can hear the alien's screech.

Sevastopol

Sevastopol

#48
Quote from: SiL on Mar 22, 2025, 10:33:52 AMI wouldn't say the plot or the action was anything like Isolation. Just the scenery in places.

The details of the plot are of course different but the big picture is quite similar. The final act is totally different to Isolation though.

wmmvrrvrrmm

wmmvrrvrrmm

#49
Hopefully I'm not going to upset anyone with my statement here but I seem to adore more and more thhe beginning of Alien :Romulus with this Nostromo wreckage that shouldn't be there acting like breadcrumbs to lead to the alien in its cocoon pod that probably shouldn't exist either. it seems awful in terms of continuity since I'll agree with Ridley that the ship ought to have nothing left of it. But I'm slowly getting my head around how it ties in with my theory of something out there prodding at human civilisation from beyond with the alien species. So, I regard that as an unexplainable anomaly, or because we have seen life in outer space in the form of remnants of an ancient advanced civilisation (or two), I'll blame it on them

When the humans bring the pod in and cut it open, it reminded me of some sort of weird ceremony. Of course we have all this lovely 2001: A space odyssey style wailing and woohing when we get a closeup of the pod inside. so I keep thinking about how in 2001, something out there in the depths of space was waiting for that monolith to be discovered


I can't mentally turn the actitivities of the alien beasts in the space station into anything interesting yet,  but I will sit on it and wait.

The Cruentus

The Cruentus

#50
But why would any life-form interfere? What do they have to gain? If say the space-jockey or something else like them had the technology to do that then what would be the end game purpose?

Space jockies would not need to comb the space for one alien specimen, they got plenty of ships that is probably already filled with eggs or something else.

[cancerblack]

[cancerblack]

#51
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Mar 27, 2025, 04:41:15 PMHopefully I'm not going to upset anyone with my statement here but I seem to adore more and more thhe beginning of Alien :Romulus with this Nostromo wreckage that shouldn't be there acting like breadcrumbs to lead to the alien in its cocoon pod that probably shouldn't exist either. it seems awful in terms of continuity since I'll agree with Ridley that the ship ought to have nothing left of it. But I'm slowly getting my head around how it ties in with my theory of something out there prodding at human civilisation from beyond with the alien species. So, I regard that as an unexplainable anomaly, or because we have seen life in outer space in the form of remnants of an ancient advanced civilisation (or two), I'll blame it on them

When the humans bring the pod in and cut it open, it reminded me of some sort of weird ceremony. Of course we have all this lovely 2001: A space odyssey style wailing and woohing when we get a closeup of the pod inside. so I keep thinking about how in 2001, something out there in the depths of space was waiting for that monolith to be discovered


I can't mentally turn the actitivities of the alien beasts in the space station into anything interesting yet,  but I will sit on it and wait.

Yeah, if you step aside from the logic of the premise for a moment, the opening is very cool, very sinister.

Nightmare Asylum

I'm also very pro-Romulus opening.

The shot of the ship panel that literally reads "Nostromo" is tacky but also, I get it, they need to telegraph it for the general audience somehow.

I really don't have a problem at all with Big Chap being found, and the way the scene plays out is rad.

The score is at the best it ever gets in the film in that scene, too.

SM

SM

#53
QuoteYeah, if you step aside from the logic of the premise for a moment, the opening is very cool, very sinister.

I struggle with the logic of the premise too much to step outside it. It just fails on multiple levels.

wmmvrrvrrmm

wmmvrrvrrmm

#54
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 27, 2025, 07:37:40 PMBut why would any life-form interfere? What do they have to gain? If say the space-jockey or something else like them had the technology to do that then what would be the end game purpose?

Space jockies would not need to comb the space for one alien specimen, they got plenty of ships that is probably already filled with eggs or something else.


Well, I suppose that this interfering entity would like to give some illusion of continuity in the human's world.

So part of what the human race gets from having the original 'big chap' back is some significance in the story of who birthed it and where the facehugger came from.

The interfering entity can meanwhile study what humans interact with the existence of these things that we can label as 'xenomprphs' with its life cycle.

Tracking these creatures around space wouldn't be a problem for it, if it knows where any particular creature's starting point is

Prez

Prez

#55
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Mar 27, 2025, 04:41:15 PMHopefully I'm not going to upset anyone with my statement here but I seem to adore more and more thhe beginning of Alien :Romulus with this Nostromo wreckage that shouldn't be there acting like breadcrumbs to lead to the alien in its cocoon pod that probably shouldn't exist either. it seems awful in terms of continuity since I'll agree with Ridley that the ship ought to have nothing left of it. But I'm slowly getting my head around how it ties in with my theory of something out there prodding at human civilisation from beyond with the alien species. So, I regard that as an unexplainable anomaly, or because we have seen life in outer space in the form of remnants of an ancient advanced civilisation (or two), I'll blame it on them

When the humans bring the pod in and cut it open, it reminded me of some sort of weird ceremony. Of course we have all this lovely 2001: A space odyssey style wailing and woohing when we get a closeup of the pod inside. so I keep thinking about how in 2001, something out there in the depths of space was waiting for that monolith to be discovered


I can't mentally turn the actitivities of the alien beasts in the space station into anything interesting yet,  but I will sit on it and wait.

The actual score for that scene (the cutting open of the cocoon) even sounds like that Monolith scene in 2001. The chanting and rising orchestra to almost unbearable noise is fantastic especially when listened to in isolation (no pun intended).

https://open.spotify.com/track/2aUTiExslj9SGVRwZyh5VG?si=38ba16d34c4247db around the 1.15 mark and then the 1.50 mark.

The Cruentus

The Cruentus

#56
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Mar 28, 2025, 02:46:45 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 27, 2025, 07:37:40 PMBut why would any life-form interfere? What do they have to gain? If say the space-jockey or something else like them had the technology to do that then what would be the end game purpose?

Space jockies would not need to comb the space for one alien specimen, they got plenty of ships that is probably already filled with eggs or something else.


Well, I suppose that this interfering entity would like to give some illusion of continuity in the human's world.

So part of what the human race gets from having the original 'big chap' back is some significance in the story of who birthed it and where the facehugger came from.

The interfering entity can meanwhile study what humans interact with the existence of these things that we can label as 'xenomprphs' with its life cycle.

Tracking these creatures around space wouldn't be a problem for it, if it knows where any particular creature's starting point is

What do you mean exactly?


Quote from: Prez on Mar 28, 2025, 02:53:24 AM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Mar 27, 2025, 04:41:15 PMHopefully I'm not going to upset anyone with my statement here but I seem to adore more and more thhe beginning of Alien :Romulus with this Nostromo wreckage that shouldn't be there acting like breadcrumbs to lead to the alien in its cocoon pod that probably shouldn't exist either. it seems awful in terms of continuity since I'll agree with Ridley that the ship ought to have nothing left of it. But I'm slowly getting my head around how it ties in with my theory of something out there prodding at human civilisation from beyond with the alien species. So, I regard that as an unexplainable anomaly, or because we have seen life in outer space in the form of remnants of an ancient advanced civilisation (or two), I'll blame it on them

When the humans bring the pod in and cut it open, it reminded me of some sort of weird ceremony. Of course we have all this lovely 2001: A space odyssey style wailing and woohing when we get a closeup of the pod inside. so I keep thinking about how in 2001, something out there in the depths of space was waiting for that monolith to be discovered


I can't mentally turn the actitivities of the alien beasts in the space station into anything interesting yet,  but I will sit on it and wait.

The actual score for that scene (the cutting open of the cocoon) even sounds like that Monolith scene in 2001. The chanting and rising orchestra to almost unbearable noise is fantastic especially when listened to in isolation (no pun intended).

https://open.spotify.com/track/2aUTiExslj9SGVRwZyh5VG?si=38ba16d34c4247db around the 1.15 mark and then the 1.50 mark.




The intro is a very well shot scene for sure,  it just doesn't make sense logically.

Set pieces and camera angles are great and it certainly feels more like an Alien than Covenant ever did. So issues aside, I find it easier to go back to this film. Plus it helps that the Aliens have their biomech design back even if its recolored and a changed a little bit.

TC

TC

#57
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 27, 2025, 11:45:51 PMI'm also very pro-Romulus opening.

The shot of the ship panel that literally reads "Nostromo" is tacky but also, I get it, they need to telegraph it for the general audience somehow.

I really don't have a problem at all with Big Chap being found, and the way the scene plays out is rad.
...

The first thing I saw that I didn't like (but also something I told myself was just me being nit-picky) was the cocoon being drawn into the Echo probe and passing through some kind of red laser wall.

Laser walls are for movies like Star Wars, not Alien!

Am I wrong in this?

OTOH I liked the plasma engines on the Echo probe spraying out "water" just like the ones Ridley had fitted in the Narcissus.

TC

The Cruentus

The Cruentus

#58
laser walls can seem a bit out there I agree but Aliens did have that scanner that was like a laser wall.  It does become more complicated when it can allow objects through but also seems to contain the atmosphere.

Maybe its not there to contain atmosphere but to act as a disruption sensor, lets the crew know when something has passed through.

wmmvrrvrrmm

wmmvrrvrrmm

#59
WHAT I can say about my idea is something out there would be playing games with with the human race and interested in studying them, perhaps giving them a chance to learn something about these alien creatures that it's shoving at them.

 
I probably often think about David Lynch's Eraserhead that looks as if it ought to have been an inspiration for the Space Jockey with its Man in the Planet character and with that might be the obvious question about what if we turned him into a space jockey and he was still performing the role that he was in Eraserhead. I think about the magicians and these Greek gods etc in Ray Harryhausen movies and these curious oriental/asian curse horror movies/novels with their malevolent, and how people in the stories are finding their lives being affected by them.

Also I often think about how Koji Suzuki's sequel novel to his horror novel Ring, which was Spiral, looks almost loosely inspired by Alien 3, and how his curse idea looks as if it's been incorporated into the functions of the black goo in the prequels. So there are these ideas brewing in my mind because of that.

So this interloper from the depths of space would be building quite a close relationship with the groups of people it's affecting, and doing what it could to keep track of everything it was affecting.

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