Is there ever going to be a 3rd film?

[Traveler37]

I somewhat get Davis' perspective. Often the AvP team ups are "Predators in the Alien universe."

That first comic does a solid job of honoring the Alien-verse while also giving a lot of time to the Predator's world. In a cinematic adaptation of it that would have to be paired down. It works in a comic, I don't think spending 15 minutes with Predators up close and personal while two dorks wax philosophical about the woes of society would work too well. As well written as it is. You could pair that down to a couple pages of snappy dialogue to set the tone, and get the story rolling with the unexpected flyby. I do love the image of the queen all strapped down, tricking the Predators, with the line "Mother nature can be a real bitch."



I would love to see an AVP with just one of each, but it would require some high precision writing. My own efforts on that front show that it's doable, but you have to balance on a razers edge not to use contrivances. Feints, retreats, stalemates, cat and mouse. It takes a lot of very careful planning to keep both creatures engaged, and alive, for a theatrical length. The other side of that is the audience expectation and consideration. I could see a general audiences being disappointed in only having one of each character. There is the expectation of carnage in this outing. People want their pound of flesh.

The other thing there, like I said before, is the human characters have to be compelling and engaging. It is the single biggest weakness in all the post Alien 3/Predator 2 movies. With the exception of PREDATORS which has a very likeable cast of characters, they're still underdeveloped, but they at least stand out and pop off the screen a bit. Alien Resurrection is primarily empty skin suits there to die, Prometheus has a lot of incredibly stupid smart people in it, Covenant is full of indistinguishable cannon fodder... The Predator has poured mold mannequins of stupid, Prey is fine... Both the previous AVP movies are... Fine, to outright terrible.



If I were in charge I would plot out a three movie storyline with characters that would carry through the overall story. The first film would have a contained situation on a distant planet, with threads that get carried forward and balloon outward.

An elite Colonial Marine rescue unit responds to a distress call from a world at the edge of explored space. W.Y. has setup a lab, harvesting the cargo of a downed Predator ship. We discover that it was W.Y. who brought it down using recovered X.T. tech, and this is how they come into possession of the Alien eggs, held in its hold.

The marines arrive planet side to find themselves caught between the blood drunk remnants of the hunting party out for revenge, a pack of aliens on the verge of spilling out into greater planet and taking it over, and Weyland science geeks who were stupid enough to infect a predator. A lot of things I'd like to do with it. Keep the perspective locked in with the marine characters. Set it on a "Pitch Black" style planet with a dry and hot motif. Very hot, overexposed, dry. Go inside the Weyland Yutani science base and its cold and dark and wet. The Predator ship would be straight up Predator 2 stuff. We'd learn a lot of these events as the marines learn it, and see them have to adapt to new information.

The film would end with one Weyland Yutani person alive, a couple marines, one predator, and an alien stowaway revealed in the final moments, leading into a second film that would expand the scope, with a third film bringing everything to a satisfying close. I've got a few ideas for parts 2 and 3. Setting most of one of the movies on Gateway station. Having a supporting character from film 1 make it to film 3 and sacrificing themselves. Having a Bad Blood Predator show up, forcing the humans and the "main" Predator from the first film to work together.

How deep do you dive into the lore of Alien, Predator, AVP? For me, the lore is just the feature films plus the endless special features on the DVD's and Blu-ray. If we're talking AVP specifically, my knowledge begins and ends with the 2 films. hah At the end of the day, these are horror movies, so by nature, there's not going to be a lot of depth unless you bring in a director who brings character depth with him, such as Ridley Scott or James Cameran to give two examples.

What if your 1st film doesn't profit? Lots of great films don't make money because reasons other than quality, leading to the sequel being cancelled. (feeling bitter over Covenant's cliffhanger)

[SiL]

Pretty sure his first draft stripped a lot from a draft I did a long time ago, and was one Alien vs one Predator.

[OpenMaw]

How deep do you dive into the lore of Alien, Predator, AVP? For me, the lore is just the feature films plus the endless special features on the DVD's and Blu-ray. If we're talking AVP specifically, my knowledge begins and ends with the 2 films. hah At the end of the day, these are horror movies, so by nature, there's not going to be a lot of depth unless you bring in a director who brings character depth with him, such as Ridley Scott or James Cameran to give two examples.

My first experience with AVP was as a kid, with the ALIEN vs PREDATOR game on SNES(And Alien 3!), then I got the original PC release of ALIENS VS PREDATOR. I had the Hasbro 9" Alien vs Predator two pack, which I used to play with and my collection of GI JOE/knock figures. I had a Terminator doll about the same scale, so sometimes I'd do AvPvT. By that time I had already seen Alien and Predator films, too.

My "deep dive" into the lore is primarily from watching the mountain of behind the scenes content, reading the odd comic, going to all the classic Alien/Predator/AVP websites that existed back in the day. PLaces like AVPNEWS, Alien Legend, PlanetAVP, and just everything my imagination spurred on as I grew up with the movies in the 90s.

See, what you said there about them "Just being *insert genre* movies" is a view I don't share. If Alien was just another horror movie it would have been forgotten a long time ago. Alien was authentic. It grabbed people, and has yet to let go. Even young audiences who watch it are taken in. Ditto for Aliens. I've watched a lot of reaction channels go down that first time experience. The amount of young people absolutely hyped by ALIENS and PREDATOR is vitalizing to me.

Those original five movies have so much staying power, even after all these years. What makes them excellent is they are more than just the genre they inhabit. If you were handed the creative keys and you stepped into that... I personally would not be approaching it as just another gig. This is Champaign from France. It's got to be treated with respect, and I don't think much of the new stuff really does. I think it treats it as disposable.

What if your 1st film doesn't profit? Lots of great films don't make money because reasons other than quality, leading to the sequel being cancelled. (feeling bitter over Covenant's cliffhanger)

Write a good movie that is self contained that the audience is satisfied, at the end. You can still have threads that are left open for future stories, but as long as the film itself gives the audience a good story all the way through, even if you don't get more. Just look at Master and Commander from 2003. It ends, clearly, with more adventures to come... But we never got any, but the movie itself is absolutely satisfying. Dare I say, it's even more precious because it does stand on its own.

Pretty sure his first draft stripped a lot from a draft I did a long time ago, and was one Alien vs one Predator.

I was primarily taking the EEV-is-a-boobytrap idea from your script, the Predator taunting an isolated human with a creepy noise (babies in yours, prey animals in mine.) the general tone, and the climax involving the quinitricetyline scuttling of the base. You were right to point out the 'nitro thing didn't quite fit given the smaller scale. In more recent drafts I really shored things up and tried to put more of my own stamp on it.

If I had a small budget to work with, I would absolutely try to get it made.

[Traveler37]

See, what you said there about them "Just being *insert genre* movies" is a view I don't share. If Alien was just another horror movie it would have been forgotten a long time ago. Alien was authentic. It grabbed people, and has yet to let go. Even young audiences who watch it are taken in. Ditto for Aliens. I've watched a lot of reaction channels go down that first time experience. The amount of young people absolutely hyped by ALIENS and PREDATOR is vitalizing to me.

Those original five movies have so much staying power, even after all these years. What makes them excellent is they are more than just the genre they inhabit. If you were handed the creative keys and you stepped into that... I personally would not be approaching it as just another gig. This is Champaign from France. It's got to be treated with respect, and I don't think much of the new stuff really does. I think it treats it as disposable.

I'm not saying it's "just another horror film," but I am calling it a horror film.
I love the Ripley movies and Ridley's 2 prequels. Looking forward to Romulus and the upcoming TV show.
I love the 4 Predator films, looking forward to Prey and the upcoming Badlands.
I love AVP and AVP-R was "OK" enough for me to get the Blu-ra.

However, I've never seen these as anything more than horror films.
Calling them horror films is not dismissing their influence on flm.
Does that make sense?

What if your 1st film doesn't profit? Lots of great films don't make money because reasons other than quality, leading to the sequel being cancelled. (feeling bitter over Covenant's cliffhanger)

Write a good movie that is self contained that the audience is satisfied, at the end. You can still have threads that are left open for future stories, but as long as the film itself gives the audience a good story all the way through, even if you don't get more. Just look at Master and Commander from 2003. It ends, clearly, with more adventures to come... But we never got any, but the movie itself is absolutely satisfying. Dare I say, it's even more precious because it does stand on its own.

Well, there's open-ended and cliffhanger. Master & Commander had an open ending.
Then there's Predators (part 3) which felt like a straight-up cliffhanger.
When the film is over, the surviving two are exactly where they were at the start. (sigh)

[Xenomorphine]

They need to crack a good script.

That's apparently been an unattainable goal for both series, ever since after 1987.

It shouldn't be, but is.

I somewhat get Davis' perspective. Often the AvP team ups are "Predators in the Alien universe."

In fairness, that's because only the latter has something of a recognisable continuity to somewhat depict.

[Corporal Hicks]

I think there's a reasonable likelihood of it these days. Both recent Alien and Predator films have been very successful and brought both franchises back into the public consciousness in a positive way. Both directors have expressed an interest in the concept. So I think we wait to see how well Badlands and Prey 2 do.

Keep the anime on ice - we don't want anything coming out to tarnish the brand while both are recovering. But I don't think it's outside the realms of possibility. It's more likely now than it has been in ages.

[Ripper Rex]

I think we can all agree to never let the Strause Brothers touch another AVP movie with a 10-foot pole.

[PsyKore]

An AvP would definitely be attractive for Disney towards the end of the bleeding dry of the franchise process.

[CANNON]

An AvP would definitely be attractive for Disney towards the end of the bleeding dry of the franchise process.

haha