New Plagiarists

[The Cruentus]

I'm not sure, I think I have some of their videos but I can't recall off the top of my head if they did nick stuff from us.

I will have to take a look. Easy way to know is to compare whatever their video subject is with our xenopedia pages on the same subject, then you just have compare them and go about looking for similarities.

Well at least this page doesn't seem to have plagiarism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYwfGQkcGX8

In fact this vid seems to describe the subject with more info than what our page does. If all his videos are like that then kudos but that remains to be seen.

Not a fan of the "explained" titles though, they always seem to be there for clicks.

[SM]

Just curious, as I've been seriously considering starting a series of Alien videos of my own once my thesis is finished and out of the way (as congested as the scene may be) - what is the the general consensus on etiquette when citing a source.. for me, I figured if I were mentioning info pulled from somewhere or using screenshots from other users, I would have personally thought citing (by outright stating the source, be it a site, post in a group, or username) and linking to them would cover it, but how do you guys who create content feel about that? Does usual rules of citation (as in academia) suffice, or do you guys prefer people contacting and asking permission first etc?

(Purely in example; say you were doing a piece on rare collectibles, and you saw a photo someone posted in a Facebook group, if you were the original poster, would you feel that someone outright stating in the video "when user 'insert name' posted this picture from his personal collection the 'insert group name' on Facebook, showing that..*blah blah*" was sufficient credit, or would you have wanted someone to ask permission first? (I ask as it can get wooly in situations where you get no reply, especially if something is integral to the piece you are working on, particularly if it's of historical significance) what do you guys think/feel? It's there a "one size fits all" rule of etiquette? Last thing I want to do is create content I think others would enjoy only to upset other members of the community... (in most cases it wouldn't apply; if I like something enough I tend to track it down myself anyways and thus would use my own pieces where possible, but I still like to cite where I learned about things that lead to the purchase for example)

I use Alien Explorations a LOT for research and credit Dominic and the site at the end of videos. Truth be told I should be actually citing the original article and writer as well (moreso than the site) which I'm now doing going forward. If I've pulled stuff from books I credit the book and author at the end too. I don't credit photos generally as it's often difficult to find the original source. Which is lazy but there you go.

[Local Trouble]

I use Alien Explorations a LOT for research and credit Dominic and the site at the end of videos.

I have a hard time believing that you ever need to research anything.

[SM]

Don't have to when Alien Explorations exists.  It's usually just checking that something I think I read 30 years ago is in fact what I read 30 years.

[Wweyland]

I would add VK (Viralkiller) to the list.

[The Cruentus]

Sounds familiar, I think it was mentioned before. Do you have the exact links etc that got plagiarized by them?

[Wweyland]

It happened years ago, but he basically read one of my articles for his "Top 10 Badass Yautja" list.

[The Cruentus]

Got a comment of the video. A disgruntled banned user if I am deducing correctly, A lot familiar tones and words they are using.   

[The Cruentus]

I now I just got an email from his apologizing. Funny how it takes them having a video taking down to have them reach out and suddenly change their tune.

Here is the email.

"Hi  Dionysus Chaos,

I saw your copyright takedown on my latest video, and just wanted to get in touch to clear the air on things. I believe we got off on the wrong foot, and apologise for being rude in my reply to you, but I just thought it was a random troll, which I get sometimes unfortunately. (I'm sure you understand, being a video creator yourself!) I am actually a very chill guy IRL.

I also watched your video on your channel explaining your side of things and where you are coming from. (For the record, I don't delete comments unless they are straight up personally insulting or spamming, and even then, I don't always, it depends on the mood I'm in lol.
Youtube automatically censors some words and phrases if they are structured in a way that may look argumentative, rude, etc, often even when they aren't intended that way. I have noticed it happening to me sometimes too seemingly randomly).

I knew using a wiki to script a video is covered under the Creative commons licence (fair use, transformative, etc), but was unaware you had to write it in the description box. I usually do this for music when it requires it, but didn't know you had to for Fandom Wiki articles, and for that, I am sorry if you felt I was just using it without appreciation. (I actually do understand and appreciate the time and effort it takes, as it is one of the best resources out there, and has helped me out a lot!).

If you would be kind enough to remove your copyright takedown from my video, I will happily add credit to the description, and for all new videos I make whenever I use Fandom/Xenopedia as a source of information; and I hope we can be on better terms going forward

All the best

Infinity Scifi"

[The Cruentus]

It might have taken me awhile due to personal stuff but here we go: plagiarist videos dealt with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4IsLEgBHw

I'll be trying to find more as we all know Alien Theory has stolen more and from others too.


@Local Trouble
@SM
If you wish to do a strike for the timeline website, I will need your permission to act as your representive in the matter, unless you want to do the strike yourself which is it is simple enough.

[Local Trouble]

Which video was that?

[The Cruentus]

It was life-cycle one. I brought it up in the nostromo revisted thread, page 3 https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61495.30

The second one was the Seegons and sevastapol one further into that thread. SM and you posted some stuff too but since the Timeline is SM's work he will need to either be the one to report it or authorize someone else to do so.

[Prez]

All it would've taken is for these `creators' to simply acknowledge their sources and credit them, up front at the beginning of the video.

I mean how much nicer would've it have played out if something like `with many thanks to xxxx for the source material' and even a link to the source itself.

[The Cruentus]

Yep but then again, you can't pass the information as your own if you acknowledge it from elsewhere. He wants people to think its from him and not from other sources. He stole from Sm's timeline and even from more direct offical media such as the Weyland-Yutani Report and CMTM.

Alien Thievery even had the gall to come on here once and try and defend his action, believing he didn't plagiarize despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

[The Cruentus]

It appears Alien Theory is trying to counter claim it. Even going so far as to pretend to not only not know who could be resonsible for the strike but has the audicity to actually say this:

"This video is my own original work using my own scripting, editing, and presentation. The title of my video and the claimed article are similar. The subject matter is the same, summarizing plot elements and character details derived from the "Alien" series of films and video games. None of the actual sources of this summarized information are under claim, only a "Fandom Wiki" article with similar wording to both those other sources and my video. I believe this claim was either made in error, or it was filed as an act of bad faith in order to abuse YouTube's copyright protection system in order to negatively affect my channel. I do not know who the claimant, known only to me by the provided email"

There is more beneath this but it features his personal information and I'm not a doxxer or whatever they call it these days.