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Posted by Darth Vile
 - Mar 15, 2013, 07:25:41 AM
Quote from: Deuterium on Mar 14, 2013, 05:00:48 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Mar 14, 2013, 04:34:47 PM

Interested to know... Is it that you didn't like the movie so the "big humans" stand out like sore thumbs and make it worse for you or that regardless of what else might have been improved for you (be it script, the 'science' etc.) "big humans" would have just ruined it anyways?

Hi Darth,

The single biggest problem I have with the film is composed of two, interrelated elements.

It was the "Von Daniken/Ancient Astronaut" angle, and it's directly related consequence of retconning the originally alien Space Jockey into big Humans in suits.

While I admittedly had a lot of other problems with the film, the aforementioned is my biggest complaint, and which effectively "ruined" the film, for me.

And again, I have absolutely no problem with the equation:  the Space Jockeys = The Engineers.
In fact, I kind of thought this was a given.

The equation I do have a problem with is:  The Space Jockeys/Engineers = Humans
Thanks D - well I'm not a lover of the 'small universe' factor... and engineers creating humans does make the Alien universe a tad smaller. However I do like the angle of humans being a failed/aborted experiment and the notion of our biggest enemy/danger being those that created us. Not sure how they'd have made that angle gel better - perhaps have left it for a twist at the end of the movie rather than the 'they are us' reveal early on?

I personally would have also cut the opening scenes with the engineer sacrifice (as nicely shot as it was), as again this took away from some of the mystery and made their culture seem a little more 'human-esque'.
Posted by Deuterium
 - Mar 14, 2013, 11:36:30 PM
Quote from: 180924609 on Mar 14, 2013, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 14, 2013, 04:38:15 PM
They should cast Jeff Goldblum as the Engineers in the next one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iSodRyF4SI#

Holy Crap...who would have figured James Watson eventually turns into Brundlefly!!
Posted by 180924609
 - Mar 14, 2013, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 14, 2013, 04:38:15 PM
They should cast Jeff Goldblum as the Engineers in the next one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iSodRyF4SI#
Posted by Deuterium
 - Mar 14, 2013, 11:08:51 PM
Quote from: 180924609 on Mar 14, 2013, 10:59:26 PM

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Nothing will cheer you up more than a Tootsie Pop!

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Posted by OmegaZilla
 - Mar 14, 2013, 11:01:14 PM
All of these ae hilarious.
Posted by 180924609
 - Mar 14, 2013, 10:59:26 PM
Engineer #1:









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Posted by Gash
 - Mar 14, 2013, 06:08:22 PM
I was personally very pleased to hear Ridley in his commentary giving more of a nod towards Nigel Kneale than Von Daniken, but I guess Von Daniken is a more recognised name.

Whilst Kneale was a very talented fiction writer who weaved history and mythology into socially relevant stories, Von Daniken presented wild 'theories' and speculation.

The fact the Ridley was citing stronger influences from Kneale - an very important landmark figure in groundbreaking British television drama through the 1950s to 70's, is ok with me. 
Posted by Deuterium
 - Mar 14, 2013, 05:00:48 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Mar 14, 2013, 04:34:47 PM

Interested to know... Is it that you didn't like the movie so the "big humans" stand out like sore thumbs and make it worse for you or that regardless of what else might have been improved for you (be it script, the 'science' etc.) "big humans" would have just ruined it anyways?

Hi Darth,

The single biggest problem I have with the film is composed of two, interrelated elements.

It was the "Von Daniken/Ancient Astronaut" angle, and it's directly related consequence of retconning the originally alien Space Jockey into big Humans in suits.

While I admittedly had a lot of other problems with the film, the aforementioned is my biggest complaint, and which effectively "ruined" the film, for me.

And again, I have absolutely no problem with the equation:  the Space Jockeys = The Engineers.
In fact, I kind of thought this was a given.

The equation I do have a problem with is:  The Space Jockeys/Engineers = Humans
Posted by AlienĀ³
 - Mar 14, 2013, 04:53:50 PM
I'm so happy they went down the route they went.

Engineers all the way.

Posted by Cvalda
 - Mar 14, 2013, 04:38:15 PM
They should cast Jeff Goldblum as the Engineers in the next one. Just sayin'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARaic1x-MRs#
Posted by Darth Vile
 - Mar 14, 2013, 04:34:47 PM
Quote from: Deuterium on Mar 14, 2013, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Mar 14, 2013, 04:00:56 PM
I'm sure this has been discussed to death, but there is still hope Deut.

Just make the blue man group part of the 'ancient aliens' crap and have them be the genetically-tampered-to-perfection offspring of the Elephant Jockeys with humans, maybe created to be go-betweens in the ancient past? They could have human traits, forms, obviously, that can mate with the Elephant jocks biomechanical technology.

Then the Dr. Manhattans steal the secrets of the Alien goo (used to create life) to destroy their former parents, who left them on Earth, leading to the starmaps. They're angry at the Elephant jockeys, and stumble upon the Alien (which is the consequence of using the goo on humans, who were created by the Elephant jockeys causing a sort of hideous 'inbreeding.')

The blue man group sets up an elaborate temple to their perfect, hybrid kind (the head) and attempts to weaponize this goo when Janek shows up with his Christmas tree.

((This ain't gonna happen, but it's where my dreams want to go!))

This idea is so crazy...it just might work!

;D 8)


Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 14, 2013, 04:10:15 PM
The whole purpose of Prometheus was to answer the question 'so who's the guy in the chair'. All of this is pointless. The Derelict is Engineer stuff and the Pilot is a suited Engineer.

In purely movie Alien-to-Prometheus canon at least.

If they're gonna actually show who the Pilot is, they will make him an Engineer.

Hi OmegaZ,

Not sure if you are commenting at me, and (like Highland) may be confused with my arguments/complaints in regards to the Space Jockey.

I thought my earlier 3-Scenario ranking made my thoughts on this matter clear...but perhaps not.

To re-iterate:

That the Space Jockeys are a featured and integral aspect of the Prometheus story ==> No Problem

That the Space Jockeys are the Engineers*  ==> No Problem
*heck, I thought we used the terms interchangeably, even before Prometheus

That the Space Jockey/Engineers are revealed to be big Humans, instead of aliens (suit or no suit) ==> Problem
Interested to know... Is it that you didn't like the movie so the "big humans" stand out like sore thumbs and make it worse for you or that regardless of what else might have been improved for you (be it script, the 'science' etc.) "big humans" would have just ruined it anyways?
Posted by RagingDragon
 - Mar 14, 2013, 04:34:42 PM
Um, the Blue Man Group and Dr. Manhattan quips were jokes. :laugh:

But the rest was not. Omega stated the obvious in that there's the highest probability that the Engineers are the end-all of everything :-\ but... it's just so lame. The Jockey was obviously a creature of some sort. It had f**king teeth and a tongue, which were clearly shown in Alien.

Hey, is that a dead horse? *Flogs dead horse*
Posted by Deuterium
 - Mar 14, 2013, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Mar 14, 2013, 04:00:56 PM
I'm sure this has been discussed to death, but there is still hope Deut.

Just make the blue man group part of the 'ancient aliens' crap and have them be the genetically-tampered-to-perfection offspring of the Elephant Jockeys with humans, maybe created to be go-betweens in the ancient past? They could have human traits, forms, obviously, that can mate with the Elephant jocks biomechanical technology.

Then the Dr. Manhattans steal the secrets of the Alien goo (used to create life) to destroy their former parents, who left them on Earth, leading to the starmaps. They're angry at the Elephant jockeys, and stumble upon the Alien (which is the consequence of using the goo on humans, who were created by the Elephant jockeys causing a sort of hideous 'inbreeding.')

The blue man group sets up an elaborate temple to their perfect, hybrid kind (the head) and attempts to weaponize this goo when Janek shows up with his Christmas tree.

((This ain't gonna happen, but it's where my dreams want to go!))

This idea is so crazy...it just might work!

;D 8)


Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 14, 2013, 04:10:15 PM
The whole purpose of Prometheus was to answer the question 'so who's the guy in the chair'. All of this is pointless. The Derelict is Engineer stuff and the Pilot is a suited Engineer.

In purely movie Alien-to-Prometheus canon at least.

If they're gonna actually show who the Pilot is, they will make him an Engineer.

Hi OmegaZ,

Not sure if you are commenting at me, and (like Highland) may be confused with my arguments/complaints in regards to the Space Jockey.

I thought my earlier 3-Scenario ranking made my thoughts on this matter clear...but perhaps not.

To re-iterate:

That the Space Jockeys are a featured and integral aspect of the Prometheus story ==> No Problem

That the Space Jockeys are the Engineers*  ==> No Problem
*heck, I thought we used the terms interchangeably, even before Prometheus

That the Space Jockey/Engineers are revealed to be big Humans, instead of aliens (suit or no suit) ==> Problem
Posted by OmegaZilla
 - Mar 14, 2013, 04:10:15 PM
The whole purpose of Prometheus was to answer the question 'so who's the guy in the chair'. All of this is pointless. The Derelict is Engineer stuff and the Pilot is a suited Engineer.

In purely movie Alien-to-Prometheus canon at least.

If they're gonna actually show who the Pilot is, they will make him an Engineer.
Posted by Cvalda
 - Mar 14, 2013, 04:04:01 PM
Next week, on Days of Our Aliens...

The mythology of Prometheus is dumb enough -- we don't need exopolitics further complicating the mess.
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