Predator fans certainly have something to look forward to this year! Hot on the heels of the recent news revealing some insight into the two main characters featured in the upcoming Predator 5 (also known as Skulls), Alien vs. Predator Galaxy have now exclusively learned that the Dan Trachtenberg directed film is tentatively scheduled to begin shooting in just a few months.
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Produced by Davis Entertainment, the 5th Predator film (still also known as Skulls) is slated to begin filming in the middle of May 2021 in Calgary, Canada! And along with this tentative production slate, we also have another peek into the story of the film via this production synopsis:
Quote"The story will follow Kee, a Comanche woman who goes against gender norms and traditions to become a warrior. Many years ago – in a time before any Europeans had ever encroached on their lands – the Comanche people had a well defined society and gender norms. Kee is very close to her younger brother, Taabe, who is being groomed as a leader. As capable as any young man in the tribe, Kee has always been a teacher and source of inspiration for Taabe. In the Comanche way – she is Patsi – the elder sister that has helped to shape him. Kee is a truth teller and has insight that others do not. A tomboy, she wants to prove herself in the masculine world of the Comanche. When danger threatens them all – Kee sets out to prove that she is as capable as any young warrior."
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Always looking out for the updates around here and glad to see the production coming along. Still can't determine how this film will pan out, but welcome to any new material!
Surprised things are happening so fast with this.
So the new movie will be shot in the same country where AVPR and The Predator were filmed ? That's a good sign
Wish I could be excited but that plot just doesn't do it for me, gender norms... bullshit.
It means their production manager is good at their job and knows where to shoot affordably.
Any word on who's doing the Predator suits? If they are filming in three months, sure they must deep into the design stage, if not already building/doing the suits.
Also, in order to save money, they could actually use the emissaries bodys with new armour, i would dig that.
Ohh by the way, Kyle Strauts is the Predator again, thank me later.
Also Fun fact: They were taking pitches for this already in Feb. 2020, one of those ideas was ,,Predator: Female of he species".
That would have been written and directed by Zelda Williams, who at the time wanted to get into ,,blockbuster" terretory. Ultimately, they went with Skulls, which was originally it's own thing.
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 12, 2021, 10:23:26 AM
So the new movie will be shot in the same country where AVPR and The Predator were filmed ? That's a good sign
:laugh: I was about to say that.
I gotta be honest. This is the least excited I've been for a Predator film. This idea isn't doing much for me.
Quote from: Darkness on Feb 12, 2021, 10:12:17 AM
Surprised things are happening so fast with this.
Dan said he's been working on Skulls since 2016 actually. And the original casting call we found was dated in January 2020, so perhaps just perhaps this was supposed to film last year, then Covid happened, and pushed it a year back.
Just need confirmation that the Predator will be a Super Predator or in some way superior to the original design then we're good to go...
Let the Hunt Begin
Adam and I did a Motion Tracker on this this morning.
Good luck to cast and crew. The pre-colonial era is rarely explored in film (and literature as well). Very interested in this.
Everything indicates that it will be another crap. Just reading this synopsis you can already know. Poor Predator, such a good character in an endless curse of bad movies
Now let's hope this is hanging on Dan's office wall! :)
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Quote from: goose_3387 on Feb 12, 2021, 11:54:21 AM
Just need confirmation that the Predator will be a Super Predator or in some way superior to the original design then we're good to go...
Why ?
Gotta be honest. REEEEEAAAAAALLY not feeling this. Then again, I wasn't too enthusiastic when news was another Predator movie was happening :/
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Quote from: goose_3387 on Feb 12, 2021, 11:54:21 AM
Just need confirmation that the Predator will be a Super Predator or in some way superior to the original design then we're good to go...
Why ?
My post was being sarcastic.
Predators had Super Preds and The Predator went a step further and destroyed the Predator character.
ADI's predator sucks. Why do they still call them to work? They have had several films to learn and continue to make crooked jaws and strange faces. Why don't call Stan Winston's people again?
Quote from: goose_3387 on Feb 12, 2021, 01:34:12 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 12, 2021, 12:58:50 PM
Quote from: goose_3387 on Feb 12, 2021, 11:54:21 AM
Just need confirmation that the Predator will be a Super Predator or in some way superior to the original design then we're good to go...
Why ?
My post was being sarcastic.
Predators had Super Preds and The Predator went a step further and destroyed the Predator character.
Oh sorry ! Then :laugh:
I agree, simplicity should be a key word for this movie.
Yes, Raphael Adolini is totally out of the new story now :laugh:
But I do share the same optimistic curiosity about a Predator movie without guns. We had a bit of that with Dutch at the end of Predator, but this is exciting new territory to explore. Especially after all this time wanting a Predator movie in Feudal Japan 8)
And just like you guys said; the concept of Predator is very flexible when it comes to setting and era, and that it's a great thing :)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 12, 2021, 02:18:18 PM
Yes, Raphael Adolini is totally out of the new story now :laugh:
Voodoo:
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 12, 2021, 02:18:18 PM
Especially after all this time wanting a Predator movie in Feudal Japan 8)
Then you're better pray this movie does well. Super-well
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Quote from: goose_3387 on Feb 12, 2021, 01:34:12 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 12, 2021, 12:58:50 PM
Quote from: goose_3387 on Feb 12, 2021, 11:54:21 AM
Just need confirmation that the Predator will be a Super Predator or in some way superior to the original design then we're good to go...
Why ?
My post was being sarcastic.
Predators had Super Preds and The Predator went a step further and destroyed the Predator character.
Oh sorry ! Then :laugh:
I agree, simplicity should be a key word for this movie.
No, no. no. - we need one more Super-Pred ! Someone has to know how to do the concept right. Right ?
Can't blame him TBH. After seeing Voodoo so many times throwing guns at people's heads as a sign of approval, the hype started to grow in me. It was like viral marketing.
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Then you're better pray this movie does well. Super-well
I don't think I'd lose my mind if the movie turns out to be bad. But one never knows! So just in case I'll make my prayers.
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Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 12, 2021, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: goose_3387 on Feb 12, 2021, 01:34:12 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 12, 2021, 12:58:50 PM
Quote from: goose_3387 on Feb 12, 2021, 11:54:21 AM
Just need confirmation that the Predator will be a Super Predator or in some way superior to the original design then we're good to go...
Why ?
My post was being sarcastic.
Predators had Super Preds and The Predator went a step further and destroyed the Predator character.
Oh sorry ! Then :laugh:
I agree, simplicity should be a key word for this movie.
Hopefully, however I don't trust them to stay simple.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 12, 2021, 02:47:05 PM
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Then you're better pray this movie does well. Super-well
I don't think I'd lose my mind if the movie turns out to be bad. But one never knows! So just in case I'll make my prayers.
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We'll see how strong your prayers are against
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If it's moving this fast the higher ups have to have some level of confidence in it. Though it's seemingly been in production for awhile so hopefully this means they'd been watching what the last film was doing.
Alright so they probably have an FX studio on this. It's probably ADI but since The Mandolorian uses Legacy they might be using them but it's probably still ADI. If we're not supposed to know it's Predator then I can imagine we're probably going to get something a lot simpler if the idea was to surprise us. It could very well be a Super Predator (and it'd be about time since it's been about a decade since we last saw them) but I'm not expecting it to be action packed.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 12, 2021, 02:51:13 PM
If it's moving this fast the higher ups have to have some level of confidence in it. Though it's seemingly been in production for awhile so hopefully this means they'd been watching what the last film was doing.
Alright so they probably have an FX studio on this. It's probably ADI but since The Mandolorian uses Legacy they might be using them but it's probably still ADI. If we're not supposed to know it's Predator then I can imagine we're probably going to get something a lot simpler if the idea was to surprise us. It could very well be a Super Predator (and it'd be about time since it's been about a decade since we last saw them) but I'm not expecting it to be action packed.
I will groan if news come by that ADI's confirmed to do the FX for this film.
But also, I don't think there's gonna be any Super Preds in this.
Considering the setting, I'd say tonally, it's gonna be scaled back compared to the last films. No doubt there'll still be action, but it'll most likely focus on tension and suspense, which makes sense considering it's setting
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 12, 2021, 02:51:13 PM
Alright so they probably have an FX studio on this. It's probably ADI but since The Mandolorian uses Legacy they might be using them but it's probably still ADI.
Oh god no no no. The nightmares are coming back. I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if Voodoo cried out in terror.
I am just wondering why are they putting Morden day politics in this moive that's suppose to take place a long time ago
Cue the insecure man-babies complaining about gender roles and soy
Ah yes name calling but you don't give me a real response
I'm totally cool with a female protagonist, in fact I'd say this series is long overdue for one. I just hope they don't go Mulan 2020 and make her a superhero from beginning to end.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Feb 12, 2021, 04:07:04 PM
I'm totally cool with a female protagonist, in fact I'd say this series is long overdue for one. I just hope they don't go Mulan 2020 and make her a superhero from beginning to end.
Genuine question : why would it be overdue ? Is it overdue for the alien franchise to have a male hero ?
I totally agree with the rest of your assessment though.
Same here's make her flawed and human and not somebody who can do everything right out of the box cough cough rey.The only thing I am worrying about is the gender norm stuff.
You don't have to be a man child to think that the idea of 15 year old indian girl vs Predator is an idiotic idea considering the first film.
Because the predator series has always been male dominant and it's nice to mix things up a bit. I'd be cool with a male protoginst in the alien movies too cause I'm really sick of every female protagonist in the alien series getting called a Ripley wannabe.
Hopefully we get a male character in the alien tv seriers we never really got a main male character in most alien comics
@bug hunt wilson
What I said didn't reference your comment (unless you had made relative comments on previous posts, in which case if the boot fits, then lace it up and wear it), although I wouldn't call gender equality "modern-day politics."
Focusing on a term such as "gender role" as a negative aspect regarding this science fiction movie is low vibrational and a waste of communication.
There's too many cool and interesting paths this movie can take for it to be disregarded because EWW THERE'S GONNA BE A GIRL IN THE MOVIE
AVPR/The Predator
#blamecanada
What you got against Canada?
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Feb 12, 2021, 04:16:29 PM
Because the predator series has always been male dominant and it's nice to mix things up a bit. I'd be cool with a male protoginst in the alien movies too cause I'm really sick of every female protagonist in the alien series getting called a Ripley wannabe.
I think what's nice is having interesting characters and story no matter what gender they may be. So let's hope that's the case for this one.
It's a SouthPark reference lol.
Canadians are f**king tight
I don't know how this movie can get even worse, it's like they intentionally choose the worst ideas possible. Poor poor Alien and Predator franchises.
Quote from: Hunter-Killer on Feb 12, 2021, 03:56:54 PM
Cue the insecure man-babies complaining about gender roles and soy
Of course thinking that 15 year old indian girl vs Predator is just incredibly stupid idea considering what happened in the first Predator is because all people who have issues with that are insecure man-babies...
Quote from: Hunter-Killer on Feb 12, 2021, 04:21:36 PM
There's too many cool and interesting paths this movie can take for it to be disregarded because EWW THERE'S GONNA BE A GIRL IN THE MOVIE
Yeah, people who are fans of the two franchises where one of them has mostly female protagonists have issues with a girl in the movie... :(
Plot twist south park Canadian aren't human at all there a highly envovled race of egg people
I must agree I find the idea of children squaring up with the predator funny and not in a good way
@TomT
She's not from India mate, she's commanche lol.
"Considering what happened in the first Predator movie" being what, a helicopter full of special forces ops armed with explosives, machine guns and a minigun get annihilated down to one person, who defeats the predator using a bow and arrow, fire, a club and mud?
You don't even know the full plot yet, and what you do know was leaked, because we initially weren't even supposed to know it was going to be a predator movie.
Wait until you have something to be mad about
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 12, 2021, 02:47:05 PM
Can't blame him TBH. After seeing Voodoo so many times throwing guns at people's heads as a sign of approval, the hype started to grow in me. It was like viral marketing.
:laugh:
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 12, 2021, 03:21:07 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 12, 2021, 02:51:13 PM
Alright so they probably have an FX studio on this. It's probably ADI but since The Mandolorian uses Legacy they might be using them but it's probably still ADI.
Oh god no no no. The nightmares are coming back. I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if Voodoo cried out in terror.
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@bug hunt
Plot twist, the girl is a synth
ADI doing the Predator would be disappointing, although I'd still hope for the best. No more lion roars lol
I've got no idea what sort of lands the Comanche lived on, but when I first heard "Predator movie set in pre-colonial times with a Native American cast" I had images in my head of Western-style Utah/Arizona deserts, which certainly doesn't seem like the sort of terrain found in Canada. So I guess it'll be more of a woodlands kinda setting instead?
Obviously this movie is being done on a budget, but I do hope it doesn't end up looking like every alien world in every other episode of Stargate SG-1. :P
I think Davis is the one who needs to see Voodoo's image. They never forgot and they never forgave should be the heading on the poster. We'll put em out and picket in the street! There are dozens of us! Dozens!
An attempt at humor. Was hoping gender was dropped at least two more times in that synopsis.
I'm gonna be honest here, it sounds quite bad. I'm trying to wait until we get more info before deciding to watch it or not and trailers too.
At the moment, I wouldn't watch it, but I'll give it the chance to win me over.
I watch films like Predator for escapism. Not to be preached to about gender roles in our society. They're making the same mistakes they did in The Predator, shoving SJW bullshit down people's throats. If you want a female protagonist fine. But stop virtue signaling and drawing attention to it like you're so brave and original. It's been done. It's being done everywhere. You're not brave or original. You're annoying. Just put the female out front and stop commenting on how amazing you are for doing it. Just let me watch a f**king Predator movie instead of feeing like I'm slogging through a bunch of liberal horse-shit on Facebook.
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@TomT
She's not from India mate, she's commanche lol.
I meant commanche/native american, just oversimplified it.
Quote from: Hunter-Killer on Feb 12, 2021, 05:04:33 PM
"Considering what happened in the first Predator movie" being what, a helicopter full of special forces ops armed with explosives, machine guns and a minigun get annihilated down to one person, who defeats the predator using a bow and arrow, fire, a club and mud?
Exactly, one predator annihilated the entire squad of badass commandos with top notch fire arms and almost killed Arnold, and now 15 year old girl with a spear or whatever will kick Predator's ass? To me that's the main reason why the whole concept sounds really stupid. They should've made her a mature experienced warrior at least, so the story would make at least some sense.
Quote from: Hunter-Killer on Feb 12, 2021, 05:04:33 PM
You don't even know the full plot yet, and what you do know was leaked, because we initially weren't even supposed to know it was going to be a predator movie.
Wait until you have something to be mad about
Mark my words, it's gonna be Mulan 2020 with Predator, not Mulan 1998. I can already see what kind of movie it's gonna be.
Seriously with this crap? Female protagonist? Great fine super whatever. Nobody cares about the hero's gender. But stop trying to convince everyone that women are somehow still not allowed to be badass in this society. That you're somehow defying...what exactly? Who still gets made about a women in the lead? Nobody. Literally every movie has a women in the lead. WE GET IT. Just stop commenting on what you're doing and cast whoever the f**k you want. We're not mad that you cast a women, we're mad you won't shut up about how great you think you are for doing it.
I think it would sound more appealing to me if the female caracter was older, like a tribe elder, still related to the boy who's gonna be leader and in the end it's not a one on one fight against the predator but the whole tribe working together and the morale of the story is how everyone is valuable and you can only progress by working together, or something like that.
Quote from: Tired of this crap... on Feb 12, 2021, 06:48:59 PM
I watch films like Predator for escapism. Not to be preached to about gender roles in our society. They're making the same mistakes they did in The Predator, shoving SJW bullshit down people's throats. If you want a female protagonist fine. But stop virtue signaling and drawing attention to it like you're so brave and original. It's been done. It's being done everywhere. You're not brave or original. You're annoying. Just put the female out front and stop commenting on how amazing you are for doing it. Just let me watch a f**king Predator movie instead of feeing like I'm slogging through a bunch of liberal horse-shit on Facebook.
Quote from: Dave Davidson on Feb 12, 2021, 06:54:36 PM
Seriously with this crap? Female protagonist? Great fine super whatever. Nobody cares about the hero's gender. But stop trying to convince everyone that women are somehow still not allowed to be badass in this society. That you're somehow defying...what exactly? Who still gets made about a women in the lead? Nobody. Literally every movie has a women in the lead. WE GET IT. Just stop commenting on what you're doing and cast whoever the f**k you want. We're not mad that you cast a women, we're mad you won't shut up about how great you think you are for doing it.
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I wish Wilson would actually sign up, so I could put him on ignore.
Enjoy for me.
There is no magic to make this end well. Do you realize how ridiculous it is to have a supreme hunter who kills armed and experienced men like flies to be defeated by a 15-year-old girl? It doesn't matter that she is a warrior, it is just pathetic. Now add ADI for special effects and the "lucky" atmosphere of the AvPR and Predator 2018 locations and the atomic bomb is made.
I get the concerns from posters above, but we could have a chance at getting a very tense and suspensful movie, with survival based on the wit and cunningness of the characters, especially with them being younger but knowing the terrain and surroundings by heart. We haven't got that since forever.
It totally could work and be awesome. It also totally could be shit. I choose to wish for the better obviously, but with the little we know now, there is still hope. And potential concerns that are not to be overlooked either.
Quote from: Mister on Feb 12, 2021, 07:55:51 PM
There is no magic to make this end well. Do you realize how ridiculous it is to have a supreme hunter who kills armed and experienced men like flies to be defeated by a 15-year-old girl? It doesn't matter that she is a warrior, it is just pathetic. Now add ADI for special effects and the "lucky" atmosphere of the AvPR and Predator 2018 locations and the atomic bomb is made.
We're pretty sure it's 19, not 15. We don't know if she kills the Predator and we don't know anything about the Predator, which could also be young and inexperienced.
Forgot to bring up this point during our video, and I know it's a video game, but I don't remember so much whinging about this 19-year-old woman brining down robot T-Rexes.
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Starting my twitter and Instagram keyword/search bookmarks.
The age of the girl keeps decreasing because the detractors commenting have a benjamin button complex
https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/exclu-first-details-on-dan-trachtenbergs-comanche-predator-film/
This article claims that she's 15 year old and her brother is 18 year old, so who knows which information is correct.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Feb 12, 2021, 08:11:14 PM
Forgot to bring up this point during our video, and I know it's a video game, but I don't remember so much whinging about this 19-year-old woman brining down robot T-Rexes.
To be honest I didn't play it. But the game is a different property/franchise and first Predator pretty much set how strong Predator is, that's why this is the point of concern.
Sounds terrible.
I was fooled me to give The Predator a try, but not this time.
I guess all Predator fans have to look forward this year is anything new on PHG. Oh well.
@TomT
The article says, and I think this was highlighted previously by other comments as well, that they are looking for a 15-year-old actor,I don't think the age of the character is going to be 15
The previous article has updated information, stating the character is 19
Quote from: TomT on Feb 12, 2021, 09:19:10 PM
https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/exclu-first-details-on-dan-trachtenbergs-comanche-predator-film/
This article claims that she's 15 year old and her brother is 18 year old, so who knows which information is correct.
True, we don't know for certain yet, but I'm betting they are incorrect in their reporting. We've read the legitimate casting call.. and the production announcement... almost a year apart from each other... and they both feature Kee as the elder. Both also refer to her as "Patsi" which in Comanche translates to "older sister".
Quote from: Mister on Feb 12, 2021, 07:55:51 PM
There is no magic to make this end well. Do you realize how ridiculous it is to have a supreme hunter who kills armed and experienced men like flies to be defeated by a 15-year-old girl? It doesn't matter that she is a warrior, it is just pathetic. Now add ADI for special effects and the "lucky" atmosphere of the AvPR and Predator 2018 locations and the atomic bomb is made.
A Predator killing armed and experienced men doesn't really mean anything when they can't even see him or have any idea what they're dealing with. Dutch beat the predator with a boy scout trap. why can't this girl do the same?
(//)CUZ GIrlz weakaR than ManZ Allwayz!! :laugh: ;)
But seriously I do find it an odd direction as I feel the Predator fanbase has a good share of misogynistic macho he-man woman haters. But maybe they're trying to appeal to an audience that's big enough to actually make the film a success.
"CUZ GIrlz weakaR than ManZ Allwayz!! :laugh: ;)
I do find it an odd direction as I feel the Predator fanbase has a good share of misogynistic macho he-man woman haters. But maybe they're trying to appeal to an audience that's big enough to actually make the film a success."
Nope. Again, no one cares if the protagonist is female. You're referring to a fan base that has already embraced Ripley in the Alien films. What we aren't on board with is injecting social commentary about gender norms into the film. But you're all so desperate to play the victim card you have to invent problems that don't exist and then preach to the predominantly male fan base about how awful society is to women. THIS IS NOT THE TYPE OF CRAP PEOPLE WHO ENJOY THESE FILMS WATCH THEM FOR. If I want that I'll watch "Little Women", which was a great film by the way, but I want a Predator film. Not a social justice lecture.
Quote from: Dave Davidson on Feb 12, 2021, 06:54:33 PMSeriously with this crap? Female protagonist? Great fine super whatever. Nobody cares about the hero's gender. But stop trying to convince everyone that women are somehow still not allowed to be badass in this society. That you're somehow defying...what exactly? Who still gets made about a women in the lead? Nobody. Literally every movie has a women in the lead. WE GET IT. Just stop commenting on what you're doing and cast whoever the f**k you want. We're not mad that you cast a women, we're mad you won't shut up about how great you think you are for doing it.
Not a bad Dave Davidson.
Quote from: Hunter-Killer on Feb 12, 2021, 09:42:12 PM
@TomT
The article says, and I think this was highlighted previously by other comments as well, that they are looking for a 15-year-old actor,I don't think the age of the character is going to be 15
The previous article has updated information, stating the character is 19
That would be really weird casting, Hollywood usually casts older actors, not younger than the age they aim for.
I honestly don't understand what the studio is thinking here. Canadian predators would be too polite to bother anyone.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 12, 2021, 10:22:10 PM
CUZ GIrlz weakaR than ManZ Allwayz!! :laugh: ;)
Depends, if you mean biologically and not comparison of two specific individuals, they are, that's just a scientific fact.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 12, 2021, 10:22:10 PM
But seriously I do find it an odd direction as I feel the Predator fanbase has a good share of misogynistic macho he-man woman haters.
But maybe they're trying to appeal to an audience that's big enough to actually make the film a success.
As big as... Ghostbusters and Charlie Angels reboots had? Woke twitter, but literally nobody else, including most women?
People just want a good story and characters that make sense, no matter of gender. if it's like Mulan 2020, both terrible film and propaganda piece, then it'll bomb hard obviously. If it's actually good movie and not propaganda piece, then it could be a success, if it's not too expensive. I have no faith in the second outcome because of today's Hollywood and because first plot details smell like Mulan 2020 so far.
I don't know why people are bitching about a native american warrior woman when this shit happened in real life:
Running Eagle (Pi'tamaka) was a Native American woman and war chief of the Blackfoot Tribe known for her success in battle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_Eagle
https://www.badassoftheweek.com/runningeagle
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/02/24/notable-important-native-american-warrior-women-of-the-19th-century/
https://www.nps.gov/people/pi-tamaka-running-eagle.htm
Additionally, its been explained that the lead isn't 15, she is 19. Again, for the people getting mad that a woman gets the leading role, get mad, stay mad, and die mad.
If someone is worried about a mary sue type of writing, than that's a more stronger grounds for discussion. But also look at the director Dan Trachtenberg, he did good on creating tension and character development. I think he has better chance at making this succeed.
Oh you get butthurt because I state my opions on this let me get a little sucker to calm you down before you throw a temper tantrum
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 12, 2021, 11:54:38 PM
If someone is worried about a mary sue type of writing, than that's a more stronger grounds for discussion.
That's the actual concern, not because the protagonist is woman of course. Almost every single female protagonist in big budget movies for the last 5-7 years, especially by Disney, has mary sue type of writing, at times it crosses the line between just bad lazy writing and propaganda piece.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 12, 2021, 11:54:38 PM
I don't know why people are bitching about a native american warrior woman when this shit happened in real life:
Running Eagle (Pi'tamaka) was a Native American woman and war chief of the Blackfeet Tribe known for her success in battle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_Eagle
https://www.badassoftheweek.com/runningeagle
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/02/24/notable-important-native-american-warrior-women-of-the-19th-century/
https://www.nps.gov/people/pi-tamaka-running-eagle.htm
Additionally, its been explained that the lead isn't 15, she is 19. Again, for the people getting mad that a woman gets the leading role, get mad, stay mad, and die mad.
If someone is worried about a mary sue type of writing, than that's a more stronger grounds for discussion. But also look at the director Dan Trachtenberg, he did good on creating tension and character development. I think he has better chance at making this succeed.
Isn't that supposed to be "Blackfoot" and not "Blackfeet"?
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 13, 2021, 12:09:23 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 12, 2021, 11:54:38 PM
I don't know why people are bitching about a native american warrior woman when this shit happened in real life:
Running Eagle (Pi'tamaka) was a Native American woman and war chief of the Blackfeet Tribe known for her success in battle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_Eagle
https://www.badassoftheweek.com/runningeagle
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/02/24/notable-important-native-american-warrior-women-of-the-19th-century/
https://www.nps.gov/people/pi-tamaka-running-eagle.htm
Additionally, its been explained that the lead isn't 15, she is 19. Again, for the people getting mad that a woman gets the leading role, get mad, stay mad, and die mad.
If someone is worried about a mary sue type of writing, than that's a more stronger grounds for discussion. But also look at the director Dan Trachtenberg, he did good on creating tension and character development. I think he has better chance at making this succeed.
Isn't that supposed to be "Blackfoot" and not "Blackfeet"?
Yeah, I copy and pasted the sentence from Wikipedia, didn't even think I had to check on the spelling for that. I fixed it though.
Quote from: TomT on Feb 12, 2021, 09:19:10 PM
To be honest I didn't play it. But the game is a different property/franchise and first Predator pretty much set how strong Predator is, that's why this is the point of concern.
How is a robot T-Rex not stronger than a Predator? The thing is made out of metal? It just proves she is that badass.
Secondly, I also think you missed the interesting point the first film made. You can't fight the Predator 1v1, its way too powerful unless you tear it down hard enough that you force it to go 1v1 like Harrigan vs City Hunter in P2. We seen that trained special forces can't deal with it like they would with terrorists, it has much more advanced tech, speed, strength, and agility. Dutch was forced to use old fashion spears, traps, bow and arrows as weapons in addition to creative/critical thinking to fight Jungle Hunter. Hell, even with a dash of luck thrown in seeing how he was lucky that the counter weight was right on top of Jungle Hunter. How different is the tactics and weapons Dutch used much different that would Kee use? I don't see the concern here.
I always thought the Comanche were a Southwestern tribe? Not sure how they'll pass off the Calgary area as that but I guess everything has to film in Canada now for budget reasons.
Wasn't the new judge dread film only had a 30 millon Dollar budget and look how good that film looks if they have creative people they can make money go a long way
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 13, 2021, 12:18:28 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 13, 2021, 12:09:23 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 12, 2021, 11:54:38 PM
I don't know why people are bitching about a native american warrior woman when this shit happened in real life:
Running Eagle (Pi'tamaka) was a Native American woman and war chief of the Blackfeet Tribe known for her success in battle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_Eagle
https://www.badassoftheweek.com/runningeagle
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/02/24/notable-important-native-american-warrior-women-of-the-19th-century/
https://www.nps.gov/people/pi-tamaka-running-eagle.htm
Additionally, its been explained that the lead isn't 15, she is 19. Again, for the people getting mad that a woman gets the leading role, get mad, stay mad, and die mad.
If someone is worried about a mary sue type of writing, than that's a more stronger grounds for discussion. But also look at the director Dan Trachtenberg, he did good on creating tension and character development. I think he has better chance at making this succeed.
Isn't that supposed to be "Blackfoot" and not "Blackfeet"?
Yeah, I copy and pasted the sentence from Wikipedia, didn't even think I had to check on the spelling for that. I fixed it though.
Quote from: TomT on Feb 12, 2021, 09:19:10 PM
To be honest I didn't play it. But the game is a different property/franchise and first Predator pretty much set how strong Predator is, that's why this is the point of concern.
How is a robot T-Rex not stronger than a Predator? The thing is made out of metal? It just proves she is that badass.
Secondly, I also think you missed the interesting point the first film made. You can't fight the Predator 1v1, its way too powerful unless you tear it down hard enough that you force it to go 1v1 like Harrigan vs City Hunter in P2. We seen that trained special forces can't deal with it like they would with terrorists, it has much more advanced tech, speed, strength, and agility. Dutch was forced to use old fashion spears, traps, bow and arrows as weapons in addition to creative/critical thinking to fight Jungle Hunter. Hell, even with a dash of luck thrown in seeing how he was lucky that the counter weight was right on top of Jungle Hunter. How different is the tactics and weapons Dutch used much different that would Kee use? I don't see the concern here.
What was really important in the end was the journey Dutch had to go through to survive. The journey of someone who has to go back to his primitive nature to win. That's the whole symbolic meaning of the first movie.
That brings us the following question : what will be the symbolic meaning for this movie ? More of the same ? Possible. But done how ? Hard to do the exact same thing so many years later with this very different setting. I'm very curious to know more about this movie.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 13, 2021, 12:18:28 AM
Secondly, I also think you missed the interesting point the first film made. You can't fight the Predator 1v1, its way too powerful unless you tear it down hard enough that you force it to go 1v1 like Harrigan vs City Hunter in P2. We seen that trained special forces can't deal with it like they would with terrorists, it has much more advanced tech, speed, strength, and agility. Dutch was forced to use old fashion spears, traps, bow and arrows as weapons in addition to creative/critical thinking to fight Jungle Hunter. Hell, even with a dash of luck thrown in seeing how he was lucky that the counter weight was right on top of Jungle Hunter. How different is the tactics and weapons Dutch used much different that would Kee use? I don't see the concern here.
You are making a good point, I think it's more of a visual concern. Like if Kee was an experienced mature warrior, it would look fine, but it could look very silly if a teenager will win a fight with Predator, even with all those traps/being smart ass (but let's see how old the character will be).
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 13, 2021, 12:18:28 AM
How is a robot T-Rex not stronger than a Predator? The thing is made out of metal? It just proves she is that badass.
I don't think robot T-Rex, without playing the game, is flexible, can hide in bushes and become invisible, it makes Predator more dangerous, I think.
As far as fighting ability, a primitive battle is indeed a non-issue. The hardest thing Dutch did was hoist that tree trunk up in the air. Which, arguably was only doable by someone of his particular size and strength. That aside, shooting arrows and making spears and traps and such should prove little issue to people of normal size and strength.
The female thing doesn't bother me. The age thing does though. This is the second film in a row with kids going up against predators, and that frankly just doesn't appeal to me. I personally would've rather seen the movie lean towards a mexican border war setting in modern times.
@Huggs
Bahahahaha canadian predators!
"Have to take your skulls, sorry eh"
Quote from: Hunter-Killer on Feb 13, 2021, 01:19:24 AM
@Huggs
Bahahahaha canadian predators!
"Have to take your skulls, sorry eh"
Trophy hunting is what they're all aboot.
Alas, they're still no match for Kyle's mom.
He has a moose skull In the center of his trophy wall.
Also, my name is Kyle, please don't talk about my mom that way
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 13, 2021, 12:36:31 AM
What was really important in the end was the journey Dutch had to go through to survive. The journey of someone who has to go back to his primitive nature to win. That's the whole symbolic meaning of the first movie.
That brings us the following question : what will be the symbolic meaning for this movie ? More of the same ? Possible. But done how ? Hard to do the exact same thing so many years later with this very different setting. I'm very curious to know more about this movie.
I don't know if you saw the podcast episode covering the new movie but the fellas brought up a good point that it can easily touch on the Comache spirituality and culture to bring more to the table. Like perhaps resorting to old tales or methods to find a way to take down the Predator. Something of that nature can be touched upon to use for symbolism. Predators always had a mythical aura to them after all, as tales passed down to people like how Anna describes them to come from time to time during the hottest summers of Guatemala to hunt humans, and how the village elders describe them as "The demons that make trophies of men", as the Preds are correctly described. Like there was this one tale I believe Voodoo brought up about large reptilians monster people who were eating the local villagers and one of the native warriors tricked them into a cave and sealed the entrance with a huge bolder and it starved to death. I don't know if the story is correct but the idea of using old wisdom and spirituality can be touched upon here I believe.
Quote from: TomT on Feb 13, 2021, 12:39:25 AM
You are making a good point, I think it's more of a visual concern. Like if Kee was an experienced mature warrior, it would look fine, but it could look very silly if a teenager will win a fight with Predator, even with all those traps/being smart ass (but let's see how old the character will be).
I think people tend to look at this through modern eyes and not like how people used to live during the time.
People forget that Marquis de Lafayette, who fought under George Washington and commanded his own men and became a prominent figure of both the American and French Revolution, was 19 years old. Thats a hell of alot more than the average millennial or zoomer had done so far in their life today. James Monroe was 18 years old when he was facing British firing squads during the American Revolution as well. Hell, Andrew Jackson was 9 years old being a courier for his fellow countrymen, looking at people getting f**ked up by canon ball fire and people slamming bayonets into one another. Kid was captured by British troops and got slashed on the face with a sword when he refused to polish an officer's boot. We can even look further in the American Civil War, when the mode for the age of soldiers being 19 and the average 25 years old. Now imagine native american warriors who had to fight to defend their homes from colonialism of the ever expanding US and suddenly you realize that its not really that far of reality.
People were just made of different stuff back then.
Quote from: TomT on Feb 13, 2021, 12:39:25 AM
I don't think robot T-Rex, without playing the game, is flexible, can hide in bushes and become invisible, it makes Predator more dangerous, I think.
But its a robotic T.rex, like she kills the damm thing that has a metallic hide and metal teeth with a bow and arrow where people failed to do with guns against a normal T.rex in Jurassic Park, namely the Lost World.
https://www.google.com/maps/@50.6335033,-115.1427483,3a,75y,194.07h,96.68t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipNOFnMrQ3tXwEg88uTzS9o2UKJ-n3IxJ9mQhZW6!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNOFnMrQ3tXwEg88uTzS9o2UKJ-n3IxJ9mQhZW6%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-7.202572-ya17.661255-ro-0-fo100!7i11368!8i5684 (https://www.google.com/maps/@50.6335033,-115.1427483,3a,75y,194.07h,96.68t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipNOFnMrQ3tXwEg88uTzS9o2UKJ-n3IxJ9mQhZW6!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNOFnMrQ3tXwEg88uTzS9o2UKJ-n3IxJ9mQhZW6%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-7.202572-ya17.661255-ro-0-fo100!7i11368!8i5684)
If nothing else, at least the movie will look amazing. unless they AVPR it.
I come back to see people seething and obsessing over petty culture war shit from the 2010s regarding a f**king character that hasn't been written or established yet and all I care about is the Predator not looking like this
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/emissary.jpg)
When did they find out that native American's sexist 🤣🤣 f**k this movie
Please not ADI again.
Its mandibles hang like sleeve of wizard.
Quote from: Pearlhead on Feb 13, 2021, 03:11:40 AM
I come back to see people seething and obsessing over petty culture war shit from the 2010s regarding a f**king character that hasn't been written or established yet and all I care about is the Predator not looking like this
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/emissary.jpg
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember that the reason why the top of their heads look like that is what happens when they become domesticated or something of that manner after being on Earth working with humans for so long? I find that very f**king stupid.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 13, 2021, 04:12:03 AM
Quote from: Pearlhead on Feb 13, 2021, 03:11:40 AM
I come back to see people seething and obsessing over petty culture war shit from the 2010s regarding a f**king character that hasn't been written or established yet and all I care about is the Predator not looking like this
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/emissary.jpg
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember that the reason why the top of their heads look like that is what happens when they become domesticated or something of that manner after being on Earth working with humans for so long? I find that very f**king stupid.
Holy Jesus, that makes the design so much worse!
Wait really?
Spoiler
https://youtu.be/Za2lG_YRNAE
That's a really dumb idea that wasn't anywhere in Black and Dekker's script.
Quote from: Big Bird on Feb 13, 2021, 03:28:42 AM
When did they find out that native American's sexist 🤣🤣 f**k this movie
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Probably means that it was a mostly patriarchal society, like many others.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 13, 2021, 10:11:56 AM
Probably means that it was a mostly patriarchal society, like many others.
No doubt that the Comanche society was very patriarchal. I just found Big Bird's comment stupid.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 13, 2021, 05:22:42 AM
That's a really dumb idea that wasn't anywhere in Black and Dekker's script.
I'm sure that's not correct. It was just supposed to be a different "caste" of Predators, nothing to do with domestication. Unless someone can provide a source on that one?
Everything I read was just that they were the nerdy scientist Predators.
Considering the shape of their heads I'd be surprised if they weren't designed to be "egg heads" :-\
https://youtu.be/zEa9CpVTCCo (https://youtu.be/zEa9CpVTCCo)
WOW
Awsome ; - )
Everyone seem okay with the synopsis, I am chocked :o
What happened ?
Turns out most people here understand that a synopsis is a thin representation of the plot and not a solid indication of final quality?
Or are you confused that most people here aren't raging misogynists?
Im waiting for next movie ;D
Quote from: T888 on Feb 13, 2021, 01:34:19 PM
Everyone seem okay with the synopsis, I am chocked :o
What happened ?
I can't say that some parts of synopsis don't make me worried - particularly whole "teenagers and proving yourself among males" but I'll try my best to reserve my judgements till actual movie comes out
It's certainly novel in the predator universe. As long as the against gender norms trope doesn't overshadow a well crafted tale true to the predator universe I'll be keen to watch it.
Slightly troubled by the teenagers proving themselves angle, mainly because I don't really want to see the film get bogged down in manufactured angst and end up being something akin to Divergent/Hunger Games with predators - it'll be sick as if it goes the Hanna angle though
Just a thought here, I've seen a lot of disdain with regards to a female protagonist and I have to ask, have we forgotten about Sarah Connor and Elen Ripley?
Female protagonist and and do kick arse, provided that the writers don't tie them into daft tropes or silly agendas that seek to divide. Writing this, the image in my mind is of Ripley starring out the Xenomorph queen while pointing at flamethrower at the eggs ;)
we should get a reall cool predator design for this.. No iron man. No super preds.
Quote from: Enjoy on Feb 13, 2021, 10:01:21 PM
we should get a reall cool predator design for this.. No iron man. No super preds.
What about the autism thing? I hear that's pretty popular among fans.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 14, 2021, 02:12:31 AM
Quote from: Enjoy on Feb 13, 2021, 10:01:21 PM
we should get a reall cool predator design for this.. No iron man. No super preds.
What about the autism thing? I hear that's pretty popular among fans.
Maybe getting their asses beat by a teenage girl armed with sharp sticks convinced them that gene modification and autism were the way forward.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 14, 2021, 02:35:05 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 14, 2021, 02:12:31 AM
Quote from: Enjoy on Feb 13, 2021, 10:01:21 PM
we should get a reall cool predator design for this.. No iron man. No super preds.
What about the autism thing? I hear that's pretty popular among fans.
Maybe getting their asses beat by a teenage girl armed with sharp sticks convinced them that gene modification and autism were the way forward.
Wait, are Predators frogposting chuds?
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 14, 2021, 02:35:05 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 14, 2021, 02:12:31 AM
Quote from: Enjoy on Feb 13, 2021, 10:01:21 PM
we should get a reall cool predator design for this.. No iron man. No super preds.
What about the autism thing? I hear that's pretty popular among fans.
Maybe getting their asses beat by a teenage girl armed with sharp sticks convinced them that STONK modification and autism were the way forward.
TO THA MOON BBY
I wonder who's going to magically show up at the end of this one.
Dutch 2.0
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i kinda wanna see some vikings in this too.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 13, 2021, 03:32:46 AM
Please not ADI again.
Agreed - but considering that shooting is starting relatively soon, it would be interesting to know if the special effects studio has already been chosen. I would think that is something that is decided in the early stages of production, right?
What is even wilder is that the interviews done with the ADI folks on the AvPG podcast is that they come across as really confident in their work being the best there is (at least that is the vibe that is given out during the last interview, imo) and not really acknowledging that their designs are poor...which seems like a mix of arrogance and detachment from reality. I get being confident in your work but there is also the ability to be able to look at your work and be able to point out the failures/mistakes that go a long way. The fact that the best part of Fugitive is the armor, again in my opinion, and it was outsourced is further validation that ADI really needs to sit out the Predator universe for the rest of eternity.
>:(
I hope with Disney being the boss, that they will get who stan winston is. I want to see Elder from P2 in his younger years. If disney is smart they will work will legend studios and use his stuff.
Quote from: bendinglight on Feb 15, 2021, 05:34:59 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 13, 2021, 03:32:46 AM
Please not ADI again.
Agreed - but considering that shooting is starting relatively soon, it would be interesting to know if the special effects studio has already been chosen. I would think that is something that is decided in the early stages of production, right?
What is even wilder is that the interviews done with the ADI folks on the AvPG podcast is that they come across as really confident in their work being the best there is (at least that is the vibe that is given out during the last interview, imo) and not really acknowledging that their designs are poor...which seems like a mix of arrogance and detachment from reality. I get being confident in your work but there is also the ability to be able to look at your work and be able to point out the failures/mistakes that go a long way. The fact that the best part of Fugitive is the armor, again in my opinion, and it was outsourced is further validation that ADI really needs to sit out the Predator universe for the rest of eternity.
I wouldn't say they're arrogant, they know. The artist is oftentimes on the lowest end of the totem pole having to work with the studio, budget, the actor, and the director to make the best FX possible and more often than not they don't have the most say in how that goes. No studio is also going to say that the work was bad because being an artist is a tough profession that doesn't have a reliable paycheck. They want to get hired so while they might not like how something goes they always have next time to improve on something. They have admitted that they'd hated what they did on some projects but ultimately have to do it because people gotta eat and got bills to pay.
I'm not sure I like the direction it's going.
I have nothing against the female lead in this - as has been said, Ripley is the protagonist of Alien and it's not an issue at all.
But the setting and purported age(s) of the protagonists doesn't sit right with me.
From the established lore, it's safe to assume the Preds hunt, learn and upgrade their arsenal and/or methods from their findings. So I don't have an issue with them coming to earth at this point in time and learning from a culture renowned for their tracking and hunting abilities.
Where it falls flat for me is the (alleged) age of the protagonists and (and this is conjecture on my behalf) I can't help bu feel they'll play on the psychic/6th sense/Native American trope and tie it in with Billy. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised to see Billy's necklace make an appearance.
And, as much as that may delight some of te fanbase, I don't think it'll make it a commercial success. And the franchise needs a commercial success to ensure "proper" or at least "good" longevity.
It is possible that this will be a digital release Even more so with the pandemic shutting theaters down.
I do not care if this is a commercial success just as long as it is good and only the start of seeing a predtor through out history.
The teenager thing sucks but I wouod think being young and less thretening is why they are alive to begin with.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 15, 2021, 11:28:45 PM
I wouldn't say they're arrogant, they know. The artist is oftentimes on the lowest end of the totem pole having to work with the studio, budget, the actor, and the director to make the best FX possible and more often than not they don't have the most say in how that goes. No studio is also going to say that the work was bad because being an artist is a tough profession that doesn't have a reliable paycheck. They want to get hired so while they might not like how something goes they always have next time to improve on something. They have admitted that they'd hated what they did on some projects but ultimately have to do it because people gotta eat and got bills to pay.
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Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Feb 16, 2021, 12:59:28 AM
And, as much as that may delight some of te fanbase, I don't think it'll make it a commercial success. And the franchise needs a commercial success to ensure "proper" or at least "good" longevity.
A commercial success could also "marvelize" the franchise.
What's that even supposed to mean. ???
The Marvel formula is probably not a bad thing when it comes to Predator. Though I wouldn't be against the series instead of going forward I'd be all for something like the Star Wars Anthology movies where we jump around in time. We can have a pre-colonial film or maybe an adaptation of how Elder got his pistol. If anything like Marvel, Fox should take the brand seriously by simply doing what Marvel does and embrace the character and universe.
And frankly with Marvel's success I would be all for finding a Predator movie having grossed a billion dollars as unlikely as that'd be.
I still think it should be called Predator: Skull of Your Country ;D ;)
The Marvel formula is a joke, you can swap the character and the villain and it's almost the same crap over and over. The character's are cutouts of their comic counterparts. Marvel does not embrace the character, they change them to fit a hollow formula. I know it's extremely successful(that says something about the audience) it's also the bane of creativity in Hollywood. Keep this garage away from Predator and Alien.
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Feb 17, 2021, 06:25:11 PM
The Marvel formula is a joke, you can swap the character and the villain and it's almost the same crap over and over. The character's are cutouts of their comic counterparts. Marvel does not embrace the character, they change them to fit a hollow formula. I know it's extremely successful(that says something about the audience) it's also the bane of creativity in Hollywood. Keep this garage away from Predator and Alien.
What?
Yeah, that's a whole nother rant. Marvel movies do not work for me. I'm a comic guy and Marvel movies have more in common with Pro Wrestling than they do with the comics.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 17, 2021, 06:27:27 PM
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Feb 17, 2021, 06:25:11 PM
The Marvel formula is a joke, you can swap the character and the villain and it's almost the same crap over and over. The character's are cutouts of their comic counterparts. Marvel does not embrace the character, they change them to fit a hollow formula. I know it's extremely successful(that says something about the audience) it's also the bane of creativity in Hollywood. Keep this garage away from Predator and Alien.
What?
What's not to understand ? I thought he made himself pretty clear
Quote from: SiL on Feb 16, 2021, 11:58:42 AM
What's that even supposed to mean. ???
Well, I guess he means that Disney would try to apply MCU "shared universe" formula with interlinking narratives and re-occuring characters to anything that can potentially bring a lot of money. And not only Disney
I'm not sure where the confusion about MCU flicks being formulaic is coming from. There's a lot of room to argue about whether that's even a bad thing (given their colossal revenue generating power), but that they mostly follow a very similar set of beats that casual and fanatic audiences alike eat up and ask for more of, is undeniable.
Having said that, I have not seen any of the "event" ones that the rest feel like an over-long buildup to.
I just don't know where the discussion came from itself, more specifically, when did this become a thread about reviewing Marvel films.
BigDaddyJohn's apparent concern that if it makes too much money it will end up as a cookie-cutter franchise churning out fairly milquetoast content, I think. Likely an unfounded fear, and even if it wasn't, it's probably still better than shit like AvP/R or The Predator.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 17, 2021, 08:32:28 PM
BigDaddyJohn's apparent concern that if it makes too much money it will end up as a cookie-cutter franchise churning out fairly milquetoast content, I think. Likely an unfounded fear, and even if it wasn't, it's probably still better than shit like AvP/R or The Predator.
:'(
Kradan, it's an absolutely ratchet film, but don't let it being legitimately awful stop your enjoyment of it. I love plenty of trash myself.
:D
Why do people feel like they need to guide me in my fandom ? Am I that bad of a case ?
No, it's just that you reply with a sad face whenever someone points out that The Predator is terrible. Just own it, embrace the shitness of it and roll with the criticisms.
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Quote from: Kradan on Feb 17, 2021, 08:44:39 PM
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lol @ the way the top half of Vader's helmet moves in the wind.
Always have, always will.
Yep, probably an unfounded fear of mine, but hey, nowadays you never know. Would it be really better than what we got though ?
Better than The Predator? Very possibly.
Obviously it's a sick movie in the litteral sense, but I see few (very few) good genuine moments of actual cinema in it. I know, it's supposed to be a normal thing for an object calling itself a movie, but I read so many times that this one was stripped of moments like that, that I must say it's an erroneous statement.
If you're saying that The Predator is unfairly maligned, and are saying this because of what could have been rather than what we got, I'm going to have to disagree.
If I misread you, then I apologize.
I'm talking about the actual movie we got, there is some cinematic qualities in it, trust me. Not many though lol nobody is going to argue about that for sure. And that doesn't erase the shit ton of flaws and stupidity this movie gives us. But I stand by my words, there are real qualities in it when many people said there aren't.
Just wait till the Predator enters the MCU...
Quote from: ace3g on Feb 18, 2021, 02:43:13 AM
Just wait till the Predator enters the MCU...
I'd fear the overall ramifications, but I'd be lying if I wouldn't relish this crossover.
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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 17, 2021, 09:59:10 PM
If you're saying that The Predator is unfairly maligned, and are saying this because of what could have been rather than what we got, I'm going to have to disagree.
You love it, and you know it!
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 18, 2021, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Feb 18, 2021, 02:43:13 AM
Just wait till the Predator enters the MCU...
I'd fear the overall ramifications, but I'd be lying if I wouldn't relish this crossover.
https://i.imgur.com/jYpWQlS.gif
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 17, 2021, 09:59:10 PM
If you're saying that The Predator is unfairly maligned, and are saying this because of what could have been rather than what we got, I'm going to have to disagree.
You love it, and you know it!
https://i.ibb.co/qCCLCpY/20210217-165705.gif
Damn that last gif had me dying ! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
We had something to look forward to in 2018 and now we don't even like looking back at that trash. This woke bullshit is killing cinema. The synopsis alone is cringe
Oh, f**k off.
Quote from: Sexual tyrannasuarus on Feb 19, 2021, 09:33:40 AM
We had something to look forward to in 2018 and now we don't even like looking back at that trash. This woke bullshit is killing cinema. The synopsis alone is cringe
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Unless I am mistaken... Every predator movie and avp has been panned and flopped or deeply under performed as a film yet here we are.
Um, so what ?
Don't bother, they're just passing through.
Even if the movie sucks, having the timeframe between new predator movies go from literally decades to a few years is a positive thing, and one that I sincerely hope becomes the norm.
Indeed!
Predator movies should be like the first 3, all stories in the same universe, but that aren't necessarily connected or dependent of one another.
The first 3 Predator movies all work even if you don't have watched the others, they are stories about a group of people with a common goal being hunted by something they don't know. The Predator broke this formula by making the Predator known to the main characters halfway through, it was also too silly, and that's not even getting on the multiple retcons it tried to make to the lore.
Someone should send this video to Dan Trachtenberg's twitter on how to get the Predator's face right this time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNiLv8wBJX4
Did Voodoo make that video? ;)
Good, hopefully gets the point across.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 21, 2021, 03:53:45 AM
Did Voodoo make that video? ;)
:laugh:
No, but I just tweeted about it! ;D
https://twitter.com/FnVoodooMagic/status/1363342217952301057
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 21, 2021, 04:28:35 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 21, 2021, 03:53:45 AM
Did Voodoo make that video? ;)
:laugh:
No, but I just tweeted about it! ;D
https://twitter.com/FnVoodooMagic/status/1363342217952301057
Legend!
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Let's redirect the video convo to here please: https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64770.0
Thanks :)
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:P
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List of actor(s) I want to do Predator suit acting
* Javier Botet
* Doug Jones
* Kyle Strauts
* Brian Prince
* Ian Whyte
Would be a trip if they could get Jean Claude to play an elderly predator.
Quote from: ace3g on Feb 22, 2021, 04:08:48 AM
List of actor(s) I want to do Predator suit acting
* Javier Botet
* Doug Jones
* Kyle Strauts
* Brian Prince
* Ian Whyte
Ian Whyte FTW, baby ! 8)
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 22, 2021, 04:10:46 AM
Would be a trip if they could get Jean Claude to play an elderly predator.
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I really like Ian Whyte, but boy do I miss Kevin Peter Hall. Perhaps it was all his study in African dance because no one has rivaled his gracefulness and fluidity in his performance.
I agree. I'd go for Ian Whyte since he showed he can nail the body language thing with Wolf.
No more head turns, I have all the praise in the world for Ian Whyte's performance as The Last Engineer, but his Predator performances don't outclass Brian A Prince's Fugitive.
Kind of late to the party, but the choice of setting is kind of confusing me ???
Did they mention anything about rating - are we to assume this is going to be R or is there a chance they'd change this to PG-13? Cause idk, the synopsis (brother/sister, possibly young adult actors) is giving me slight PG-13 vibes (I understand that this could just be paranoia speaking.)
That aside, dang they're really moving with this one.
No rating confrmed for now, but it's a widespread fear among fans from what I can see. A legitimate question also.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 22, 2021, 06:04:20 PM
No rating confrmed for now, but it's a widespread fear among fans from what I can see. A legitimate question also.
Not going to lie, it does make me a bit nervous too. I don't think that it's a given with younger actors, but with some of the other elements and Marvel peeking into the picture for the printed media... I hope they comment on this sooner rather than later so I can check my expectations :-X
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 22, 2021, 02:44:14 PM
No more head turns, I have all the praise in the world for Ian Whyte's performance as The Last Engineer, but his Predator performances don't outclass Brian A Prince's Fugitive.
Wait, have you just said something good about The Predaotr ?
Spoiler
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Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 22, 2021, 02:44:14 PM
No more head turns, I have all the praise in the world for Ian Whyte's performance as The Last Engineer, but his Predator performances don't outclass Brian A Prince's Fugitive.
Wait, have you just said something good about The Predaotr ?
Spoiler
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She loves The Predaotr!
That's how they called the emissaries cut right ? It has been released finally ? :laugh:
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 22, 2021, 08:53:22 PM
That's how they called the emissaries cut right ? It has been released finally ? :laugh:
No... not released. But Kradan has put himself a team together, and booked a flight to 20th Century Studios, so...
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I wouldn't mind it if Ian came back but I'd be more than willing to see Bryan Prince again. He definitely brings the character to life in a way past actors haven't, he really does a great job on Fugitive. He's probably the closest to KPH at least for me.
As far as ratings go I suspect that Disney+ will get it but with the franchise being on Hulu they wont be dead set on PG-13. PG-13 has happened before, it's just down to the film itself. If it doesn't need an R-rating if it just doesn't need it. I don't need it to pull out all the stops just to get an R, it just needs to be a good film first.
Disney+ also has Star coming soon where they're dumping all the R rated Fox material.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 22, 2021, 10:51:12 PM
Disney+ also has Star coming soon where they're dumping all the R rated Fox material.
That will be just abroad. We're getting ours on Hulu in the States I believe.
Makes sense.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 22, 2021, 10:47:50 PM
I wouldn't mind it if Ian came back but I'd be more than willing to see Bryan Prince again. He definitely brings the character to life in a way past actors haven't, he really does a great job on Fugitive. He's probably the closest to KPH at least for me.
I just keep thinking about the thumbs up scene and I get sad.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Feb 22, 2021, 10:47:50 PM
As far as ratings go I suspect that Disney+ will get it but with the franchise being on Hulu they wont be dead set on PG-13. PG-13 has happened before, it's just down to the film itself. If it doesn't need an R-rating if it just doesn't need it. I don't need it to pull out all the stops just to get an R, it just needs to be a good film first.
I don't even see them pulling back to PG-13, Deadpool already ensured that an R rating can work and The Predator proved that people shied away from the film for its quality and not the rating.
In regards to its rating, while I'd love it to have an R rating, the quality of script, cast and direction takes precedent in my line of concerns. In the wise words of Yoda: Make a great film, gore does not. And I would assume the majority that prefer AvP over AvPR would probably tend to agree.
The Skulls general premise sounds like a good start to me though and a back to basics approach, but of course, we'll see how it all shakes out. 🤞
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 23, 2021, 02:23:06 PM
In regards to its rating, while I'd love it to have an R rating, the quality of script, cast and direction takes precedent in my line of concerns. In the wise words of Yoda: Make a great film, gore does not. And I would assume the majority that prefer AvP over AvPR would probably tend to agree.
The Skulls general premise sounds like a good start to me though and a back to basics approach, but of course, we'll see how it all shakes out. 🤞
Well....could Deadpool succeed without the R rating that the character and his stories are known for? Taming them down would have taken alot of what the character is, a ranchy, violent, and very dorky/dizy mercenary with a heart of gold. It seems Ryan Reynolds, the writers, and even the fanbase believed so.
I mean, if the Predator wasn't allowed to have scenes where spines and skulls are ripped out or chests blown apart from plasma bolts, would it still be a Predator film that is true to its violent nature? Would Predator and Predator 2 still be memorable if it weren't for the shocking action and brutal nature of the Predator as it hunted our human characters and antagonists? Plus I don't think using AVP is a good example as while AVP is preferred over AVPR, its not saying much as the film itself is being compared to a sequel that is just objectively not executed well in many areas. Even with AVP itself, its not exactly one of objectively top quality either compared to Alien or Predator.
The script, cast, and direction of course needs to be there, but to tame the nature of the Predator isn't exactly something that many people will favor.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 23, 2021, 02:23:06 PM
In regards to its rating, while I'd love it to have an R rating, the quality of script, cast and direction takes precedent in my line of concerns. In the wise words of Yoda: Make a great film, gore does not. And I would assume the majority that prefer AvP over AvPR would probably tend to agree.
The Skulls general premise sounds like a good start to me though and a back to basics approach, but of course, we'll see how it all shakes out. 🤞
Well....could Deadpool succeed without the R rating that the character and his stories are known for? Taming them down would have taken alot of what the character is, a ranchy, violent, and very dorky/dizy mercenary with a heart of gold. It seems Ryan Reynolds, the writers, and even the fanbase believed so.
Well, I haven't read all of them, but I've read my fair share of Deadpool comics and they weren't as raunchy as that movie. You'd be more likely to spot a censored sign over his dialogue and watch him hit a villian with it. :)
QuoteI mean, if the Predator wasn't allowed to have scenes where spines and skulls are ripped out or chests blown apart from plasma bolts, would it still be a Predator film that is true to its violent nature? Would Predator and Predator 2 still be memorable if it weren't for the shocking action and brutal nature of the Predator as it hunted our human characters and antagonists? Plus I don't think using AVP is a good example as while AVP is preferred over AVPR, its not saying much as the film itself is being compared to a sequel that is just objectively not executed well in many areas. Even with AVP itself, its not exactly one of objectively top quality either compared to Alien or Predator.
The script, cast, and direction of course needs to be there, but to tame the nature of the Predator isn't exactly something that many people will favor.
PG-13 AvP we still got violent kills. Even a chestburster. Just not much gore. Don't get me wrong, I want Skulls to be filled with gore too, very much so, but it is lower to me in priority under cast, script and direction.
I remember people being concerned over Terminator 3 possibly being rated PG-13, but that film ultimately rated as an R didn't fix things. Nor was Terminator Salvation PG-13 rating their problem in my opinion. So rating, while important to me, ranks lower on the totem pole. :)
I've been out of the loop on this but the premise is fresh and I'm glad they're gearing up to film this in summer. We might get a Fall/Winter release next year 8)
I'm confident they will make this rated R. I think Disney knows they would piss the fans off if they get accused of ''watering it down''. That's why they made Alien an FX on HULU series versus green lighting a 150 million PG-13 Alien movie.
While I definitely just want to see a bunch of bad ass commandos get picked off again, the franchise needs to evolve and do something different and this looks like a step in that direction. I'm excited to see casting announcements and some set photos :laugh:
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 04, 2021, 01:25:41 AM
I'm confident they will make this rated R. I think Disney knows they would piss the fans off if they get accused of ''watering it down''. That's why they made Alien an FX on HULU series versus green lighting a 150 million PG-13 Alien movie.
Hmm. Well, come to think of it, FX is a non premium traditional cable channel here in the U.S. with commercial interruptions. So there has to be some limitations on what they show on there, right? We actually may be getting a PG-13 Alien series here, or one with content of a soft R.
I belive the Alien series is part of "FX on Hulu" rather than regular FX. So it is a streaming series debuting on Hulu, but retaining the FX branding.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 04, 2021, 02:41:34 PM
I belive the Alien series is part of "FX on Hulu" rather than regular FX. So it is a streaming series debuting on Hulu, but retaining the FX branding.
But that isn't what FX on Hulu has been though...
QuoteFX on HULU
The new streaming home of FX Networks
Watch FX on Hulu Exclusives like Devs, Mrs. America, A Teacher and The Old Man. Stream the Latest Seasons of current and new FX Original Series, after they air on FX and FXX.
Now you can enjoy Past Seasons of acclaimed and award-winning shows including American Horror Story, Archer, Atlanta, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, What We Do in the Shadows, Sons of Anarchy, Justified, Fosse/Verdon and The Shield.
https://www.fxnetworks.com/fx-on-hulu
Hmmm. Intetesting, I was under the impression that FX on Hulu was straight up streaming.
I did watch Devs (excellent sci-fi series from Alex Garland) last year on Hulu, which is apparently part of that FX on Hulu program, and that one felt very R-rated to me. Nothing about it seemed censored or reigned in.
Well that's hopeful. I'm not familiar with that show, but did you think it went far beyond modern broadcast limits in any of the categories that might apply, i.e. language, violence, sex, gore?
Language, absolutely, and what violence was there was pretty shocking from what I remember, though it wasn't a constant focus (a lot of the show was much more introspective, but also dripping in what some would consider a very technological horror) - but even cable can do grisly violence these days. No explicit sex scenes/nudity (though there was a fair amount of sex, we didn't see every inch of the participants' bodies), but then, the Alien movies never had any real nudity until Covenant.
Thematically, though, it was very "adult" science-fiction and the tone certainly reflected that.
Fingers crossed then!
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 04, 2021, 03:06:19 PM
No explicit sex scenes/nudity, but then, the Alien movies never had any real nudity until Covenant.
That nipple surgical tape comes in handy! :laugh:
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Quote from: MudButt on Mar 04, 2021, 01:25:41 AM
I'm confident they will make this rated R. I think Disney knows they would piss the fans off if they get accused of ''watering it down''. That's why they made Alien an FX on HULU series versus green lighting a 150 million PG-13 Alien movie.
Hmm. Well, come to think of it, FX is a non premium traditional cable channel here in the U.S. with commercial interruptions. So there has to be some limitations on what they show on there, right? We actually may be getting a PG-13 Alien series here, or one with content of a soft R.
They make shows for FX and shows for FX on Hulu. Also, FX really pushes the limit on what can be done on TV. Some of their shows are as violent as an R Rated film.
I need to get caught up in Hawley's Fargo. I loved season one, but haven't seen beyond that.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 04, 2021, 11:20:38 PM
I need to get caught up in Hawley's Fargo. I loved season one, but haven't seen beyond that.
Season 2 is perfect. Season 3 is awesome. Unfortunately I didn't get into season 4, may try again though.
FX has a solid track record. I'm pumped for their line up this year. I imagine we'll be seeing Alien late next year, they're trying to get content out for FX on Hulu ASAP.
So we might be seeing Skulls and an Alien show within a few months of each other. See.. I brought us back on topic :laugh:
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Quote from: MudButt on Mar 04, 2021, 01:25:41 AM
I'm confident they will make this rated R. I think Disney knows they would piss the fans off if they get accused of ''watering it down''. That's why they made Alien an FX on HULU series versus green lighting a 150 million PG-13 Alien movie.
Hmm. Well, come to think of it, FX is a non premium traditional cable channel here in the U.S. with commercial interruptions. So there has to be some limitations on what they show on there, right? We actually may be getting a PG-13 Alien series here, or one with content of a soft R.
They make shows for FX and shows for FX on Hulu. Also, FX really pushes the limit on what can be done on TV. Some of their shows are as violent as an R Rated film.
I'm not certain what you're saying here though. Hulu is a streaming platform for FX shows. Even the FX shows like The Shield that aired before the streaming deal, now streams on Hulu. But since the FX on Hulu deal agreement, shows will still stream on Hulu after they air on FX broadcast television first.
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Quote from: MudButt on Mar 04, 2021, 01:25:41 AM
I'm confident they will make this rated R. I think Disney knows they would piss the fans off if they get accused of ''watering it down''. That's why they made Alien an FX on HULU series versus green lighting a 150 million PG-13 Alien movie.
Hmm. Well, come to think of it, FX is a non premium traditional cable channel here in the U.S. with commercial interruptions. So there has to be some limitations on what they show on there, right? We actually may be getting a PG-13 Alien series here, or one with content of a soft R.
They make shows for FX and shows for FX on Hulu. Also, FX really pushes the limit on what can be done on TV. Some of their shows are as violent as an R Rated film.
I'm not certain what you're saying here though. Hulu is a streaming platform for FX shows. Even the FX shows like The Shield that aired before the streaming deal, now streams on Hulu. But since the FX on Hulu deal agreement, shows will still stream on Hulu after they air on FX broadcast television first.
FX exclusively produced 4 shows for Hulu under the FX on Hulu brand. A Teacher, Mrs. America, Devs, & The Old Man (coming later this year). They were developed for the linear FX channel but became Hulu exclusives.
https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/fx-hulu-disney-mrs-america-american-horror-story-1203397601/
Im not 100% sure if Alien will be FX proper or exclusively produced for Hulu by FX but there is a difference from what I understand.
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Quote from: MudButt on Mar 04, 2021, 01:25:41 AM
I'm confident they will make this rated R. I think Disney knows they would piss the fans off if they get accused of ''watering it down''. That's why they made Alien an FX on HULU series versus green lighting a 150 million PG-13 Alien movie.
Hmm. Well, come to think of it, FX is a non premium traditional cable channel here in the U.S. with commercial interruptions. So there has to be some limitations on what they show on there, right? We actually may be getting a PG-13 Alien series here, or one with content of a soft R.
They make shows for FX and shows for FX on Hulu. Also, FX really pushes the limit on what can be done on TV. Some of their shows are as violent as an R Rated film.
I'm not certain what you're saying here though. Hulu is a streaming platform for FX shows. Even the FX shows like The Shield that aired before the streaming deal, now streams on Hulu. But since the FX on Hulu deal agreement, shows will still stream on Hulu after they air on FX broadcast television first.
FX exclusively produced 4 shows for Hulu under the FX on Hulu brand. A Teacher, Mrs. America, Devs, & The Old Man (coming later this year). They were developed for the linear FX channel but became Hulu exclusives.
https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/fx-hulu-disney-mrs-america-american-horror-story-1203397601/
Im not 100% sure if Alien will be FX proper or exclusively produced for Hulu by FX but there is a difference from what I understand.
Oy, well that certainly can get confusing. Thanks for the details MudButt!
I live in calgary and I am native.
I was a extra for Ghostbusters 3 I am gonna try so hard to show my face in this movie!
Quote from: Xeno Black on Mar 10, 2021, 12:29:06 AM
I live in calgary and I am native.
I was a extra for Ghostbusters 3 I am gonna try so hard to show my face in this movie!
Best of luck, sincerely.
Quote from: Xeno Black on Mar 10, 2021, 12:29:06 AM
I live in calgary and I am native.
I was a extra for Ghostbusters 3 I am gonna try so hard to show my face in this movie!
You know where we are for some scoops ;)
But seriously, good luck!
Bizarre we've heard nothing about casting. I think someone like Josh Brolin would be great in this.
Hmm. Josh Brolin as a Comanche? I seem to remember reading he was from Swiss descent.
In regarding to casting news, I suspect the likely casting of unknown young actors for the lead roles of Kee and Taabe, with the latter being an underage child, isn't going to be generally sought out for some splashy headlines. I wouldn't be shocked if nothing breaks on casting before filming begins honestly, if all the Comanche actors are generally unknowns.
But the good news is, we've been learning bits of info since our report that is confirming Skulls appears to be still moving along and on track, with filming to commence this year. :)
Yep, can't wait to see things unravel. I'm really looking forward to this.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 10, 2021, 12:12:09 PM
Hmm. Josh Brolin as a Comanche? I seem to remember reading he was from Swiss descent.
In regarding to casting news, I suspect the likely casting of unknown young actors for the lead roles of Kee and Taabe, with the latter being an underage child, isn't going to be generally sought out for some splashy headlines. I wouldn't be shocked if nothing breaks on casting before filming begins honestly, if all the Comanche actors are generally unknowns.
But the good news is, we've been learning bits of info since our report that is confirming Skulls appears to be still moving along and on track, with filming to commence this year. :)
Brolin comment, I sorry know nothing about this movie. Thought he could be a white antagonist or something like in sicario
Quote from: Billiken on Mar 10, 2021, 01:15:23 PM
Brolin comment, I sorry know nothing about this movie. Thought he could be a white antagonist or something like in sicario
The production synopsis says "in a time before any Europeans had ever encroached on their lands", so it at least appears that there will be no colonists. :)
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Brolin comment, I sorry know nothing about this movie. Thought he could be a white antagonist or something like in sicario
The production synopsis says "in a time before any Europeans had ever encroached on their lands", so it at least appears that there will be no colonists. :)
I wonder if they'll stick to it though... I keep thinking it'll be a safer bet for the studio to include european presence.
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Brolin comment, I sorry know nothing about this movie. Thought he could be a white antagonist or something like in sicario
The production synopsis says "in a time before any Europeans had ever encroached on their lands", so it at least appears that there will be no colonists. :)
I wonder if they'll stick to it though... I keep thinking it'll be a safer bet for the studio to include european presence.
Yeah, unfortunately, perhaps? But I'd be happy if they didn't. Films like Rapa-Nui and Apocalypto come to mind. I guess we'll see.
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Brolin comment, I sorry know nothing about this movie. Thought he could be a white antagonist or something like in sicario
The production synopsis says "in a time before any Europeans had ever encroached on their lands", so it at least appears that there will be no colonists. :)
I wonder if they'll stick to it though... I keep thinking it'll be a safer bet for the studio to include european presence.
Yeah, unfortunately, perhaps? But I'd be happy if they didn't. Films like Rapa-Nui and Apocalypto come to mind. I guess we'll see.
Yep I'm with you on that one. Good ol survival with no guns !
but we can't have 2 kids kill a predator without guns that would be dumb. why's it gotta be a female lead, so forced with the PC crap..
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hopefully we see a couple of set photos though.
Yeah I expect this kind of criticism that you pointed out ironically to appear more and more, soon as things will unravel. First pictures of actors etc... The uproar could be big for this one.
I choose to stay optimistic personally.
To me it all hinges on how well it's executed, multiplied by how it fits in the context of the other films. Like if Kee punches a Predator in the face sending it tumbling backwards, all while Dutch's punch could only make a Predator turn its head? Well start your engines folks and watch the sh*t storm begin.
Now that you mention it, Dutch did make the predator head turn completely, I mean that's badass. f**k, I love Dutch so much !
My only complaints about the film are those sound FXs for the punching during that scene. :laugh:
deadpan bad idea
My biggest concern right now is the trailers in the future. Unfortunately trailers tend to spoil and if this is supposed to be a stealth Predator film, I don't want the trailer to show nothing of it. Even if people know, keep denying right up to the release of the film. Not everyone follows AVP or films just like we do, the general audience knows nothing usually so whoever produces those trailers better stay away from any Predator footage..
New Predator Film 'Skulls' Pre-Production and Filming Dates Revealed!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/03/11/new-predator-film-skulls-pre-production-and-filming-dates-revealed/
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 11, 2021, 06:27:38 PM
New Predator Film 'Skulls' Pre-Production and Filming Dates Revealed!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/03/11/new-predator-film-skulls-pre-production-and-filming-dates-revealed/
Hopefully the Studio ADI bit will just be a coincidence. Surely they can't get another chance?
Quote from: seattle24 on Mar 11, 2021, 06:54:53 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 11, 2021, 06:27:38 PM
New Predator Film 'Skulls' Pre-Production and Filming Dates Revealed!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/03/11/new-predator-film-skulls-pre-production-and-filming-dates-revealed/
Hopefully the Studio ADI bit will just be a coincidence. Surely they can't get another chance?
Yes, after three films with ADI, I'm still hoping for a new FX house too my friend. Perhaps it's all just a coincidence? I guess we shall see.
But yes, everyone imaging me after I typed this article: :laugh:
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/KnobbyGranularLacewing-max-1mb.gif)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 11, 2021, 06:27:38 PM
New Predator Film 'Skulls' Pre-Production and Filming Dates Revealed!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/03/11/new-predator-film-skulls-pre-production-and-filming-dates-revealed/
Yep, as I guessed earlier it'll end filming in late August. Looking like we may get this late 2022 if we're lucky!
My biggest concern is ADI's involvement, hoping against hope this announcement is not correlated to anything Predator related from ADI(Building Lesser Worlds.)
Voodoo that gif is perfect
ADI again? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Rise up Crabators! Say no to mandible norms and traditions. :D
:laugh:
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Mar 11, 2021, 07:04:51 PM
Voodoo that gif is perfect
lol Thanks brother! I thought so too. ;D
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 11, 2021, 07:03:30 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 11, 2021, 06:27:38 PM
New Predator Film 'Skulls' Pre-Production and Filming Dates Revealed!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/03/11/new-predator-film-skulls-pre-production-and-filming-dates-revealed/
Yep, as I guessed earlier it'll end filming in late August. Looking like we may get this late 2022 if we're lucky!
I'm thinking we can get this mid 2022 even, depending on how they release it. :)
:D :D :D Bwahahahahaha ! :D :D :D
Ay lmao
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 11, 2021, 09:17:21 PM
:laugh:
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Mar 11, 2021, 07:04:51 PM
Voodoo that gif is perfect
lol Thanks brother! I thought so too. ;D
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 11, 2021, 07:03:30 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 11, 2021, 06:27:38 PM
New Predator Film 'Skulls' Pre-Production and Filming Dates Revealed!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/03/11/new-predator-film-skulls-pre-production-and-filming-dates-revealed/
Yep, as I guessed earlier it'll end filming in late August. Looking like we may get this late 2022 if we're lucky!
I'm thinking we can get this mid 2022 even, depending on how they release it. :)
True. I imagine theaters will be up and running full force by then or close to it! I would think Disney/20th Century wants to maximize profits. Plus I just assumed it would have a year of post-production since that's what it seems to be an average for most movies. 8) plus reshoots.
Either way i'm confident we're getting an Alien Series and Predator Movie in 2022!
And hopefully finishing David's story soon.
Excited!
No more predators with lion roars please lol
lol
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 11, 2021, 10:00:02 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 11, 2021, 09:17:21 PM
:laugh:
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Mar 11, 2021, 07:04:51 PM
Voodoo that gif is perfect
lol Thanks brother! I thought so too. ;D
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 11, 2021, 07:03:30 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 11, 2021, 06:27:38 PM
New Predator Film 'Skulls' Pre-Production and Filming Dates Revealed!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/03/11/new-predator-film-skulls-pre-production-and-filming-dates-revealed/
Yep, as I guessed earlier it'll end filming in late August. Looking like we may get this late 2022 if we're lucky!
I'm thinking we can get this mid 2022 even, depending on how they release it. :)
True. I imagine theaters will be up and running full force by then or close to it! I would think Disney/20th Century wants to maximize profits. Plus I just assumed it would have a year of post-production since that's what it seems to be an average for most movies. 8) plus reshoots.
Either way i'm confident we're getting an Alien Series and Predator Movie in 2022!
Indeed! 2022 is going to be a great year for us! 👏
Part of me wondered at first if ADI was actually hiring for the fast-tracked Alien show rather than Skulls, because it seems very late to be hiring, looking for employees for a movie starting to film May 31st. Who knows... Maybe Bright 2 is finally a go and it's all for that. Love them or hate them, it will be interesting to see how this all shakes out!
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Mar 11, 2021, 07:04:51 PM
My biggest concern is ADI's involvement,
(https://i.ibb.co/VMfy0FV/51cmhu.jpg)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 11, 2021, 10:14:44 PM
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Mar 11, 2021, 07:04:51 PM
My biggest concern is ADI's involvement,
https://i.ibb.co/VMfy0FV/51cmhu.jpg
:laugh:
Okay, you won the internet today Jonesy!
Nailed it Jonesy
Not adi again please they never learn
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 11, 2021, 10:10:10 PM
Indeed! 2022 is going to be a great year for us! 👏
Or one of the worst ones yet :'(
Shhhhhhhhh its ok Voodoo, here, have some corrected ADI done Predator images from the Cordery FX video. We can dream of better things.
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/46b591324e5a20ae1fd8185225c4e2eb/64388758aed82179-dc/s2048x3072/57b7aa917ab248e5ed08da1ddeb437d2ab25b8ff.png)
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/94f1935f51cdc7913feadb0b2db32242/64388758aed82179-1e/s2048x3072/aeb49396c52261ef049a704c452c17bac1ad2287.png)
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/607bd1c30d14ca918adef0845e672a7e/64388758aed82179-8a/s2048x3072/047718f295723b4b1fa652f6e077cee1fcaaf891.png)
I just hope they do have some other FX company do this honestly.
Ah man Turok, I just love those fixes brother. I can stare at those all day! 😍
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 12, 2021, 12:42:03 AM
Not adi again please they never learn
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 11, 2021, 10:10:10 PM
Indeed! 2022 is going to be a great year for us! 👏
Or one of the worst ones yet :'(
(https://i.ibb.co/gj8kqf5/20210311-153852.gif)
;)
But even if ADI scores both Skulls and the Alien television series, I'm going to personally root hard for them and hope for the best. Nothing would make me happier if, after we find out they hypothetically ended up winning the Skulls bid, they finally knock it out of the park their fourth time around. 🙏
But first, we wait for something official. It might not even be them who's doing it. We'll see.
I'm actually scared they might f**k up the Alien's design for the TV show, at least most adi predators look good with the mask on
Yeah, I can get that concern. Well, at this point of the game, I would lean towards decisions have likely already been made... and we're probably completely powerless at this point, as if we had much power to begin with. ;)🤞
I found this last week and forgot to post, but here's an audition tape for Skulls
https://vimeo.com/515115659
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 12, 2021, 12:52:15 AM
Shhhhhhhhh its ok Voodoo, here, have some corrected ADI done Predator images from the Cordery FX video. We can dream of better things.
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/46b591324e5a20ae1fd8185225c4e2eb/64388758aed82179-dc/s2048x3072/57b7aa917ab248e5ed08da1ddeb437d2ab25b8ff.png)
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/94f1935f51cdc7913feadb0b2db32242/64388758aed82179-1e/s2048x3072/aeb49396c52261ef049a704c452c17bac1ad2287.png)
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/607bd1c30d14ca918adef0845e672a7e/64388758aed82179-8a/s2048x3072/047718f295723b4b1fa652f6e077cee1fcaaf891.png)
I just hope they do have some other FX company do this honestly.
Those fixes make me wish they go back in and actually digitally fix the predators in future releases.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Mar 12, 2021, 02:56:50 AM
I found this last week and forgot to post, but here's an audition tape for Skulls
https://vimeo.com/515115659
That's fun to hear some potential dialogue, but yikes, she is not good.
Quote from: Predalien39 on Mar 12, 2021, 03:03:34 AM
Those fixes make me wish they go back in and actually digitally fix the predators in future releases.
Indeed!
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Mar 12, 2021, 02:56:50 AM
I found this last week and forgot to post, but here's an audition tape for Skulls
https://vimeo.com/515115659
Wow Nick!! Nice find!!
Thanks for sharing this brother! Hot damn. It really gives insight on what Kee will be struggling with.
Cheyenne Seleah IMDb page
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9616173/
Found some casting website that lists her skills background.
https://cni.castingnetworks.com/talent/profile/1613148?rs=1&crypt=dicgliaifpggfglfgbdhdidnncfcopbhhcmeegmlfmoclocdjj
Her IG page in case in the future she hints at new project / role she just got.
https://www.instagram.com/cheyenne.seleah/
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 12, 2021, 03:46:08 AM
Cheyenne Seleah IMDb page
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9616173/
Found some casting website that lists her skills background.
https://cni.castingnetworks.com/talent/profile/1613148?rs=1&crypt=dicgliaifpggfglfgbdhdidnncfcopbhhcmeegmlfmoclocdjj
Her IG page in case in the future she hints at new project / role she just got.
https://www.instagram.com/cheyenne.seleah/
Aw man, great job ace pulling this altogether! This is awesome. Thanks!!!
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 12, 2021, 03:46:08 AM
Cheyenne Seleah IMDb page
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9616173/
Found some casting website that lists her skills background.
https://cni.castingnetworks.com/talent/profile/1613148?rs=1&crypt=dicgliaifpggfglfgbdhdidnncfcopbhhcmeegmlfmoclocdjj
Her IG page in case in the future she hints at new project / role she just got.
https://www.instagram.com/cheyenne.seleah/
awesome find! it's starting ;D
It will be very difficult not to spoil this movie for myself. I wish they had been able to keep this secret for longer.
I want to look away but i can not.
Quote from: Predalien39 on Mar 12, 2021, 03:03:34 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 12, 2021, 12:52:15 AM
Shhhhhhhhh its ok Voodoo, here, have some corrected ADI done Predator images from the Cordery FX video. We can dream of better things.
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/46b591324e5a20ae1fd8185225c4e2eb/64388758aed82179-dc/s2048x3072/57b7aa917ab248e5ed08da1ddeb437d2ab25b8ff.png)
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/94f1935f51cdc7913feadb0b2db32242/64388758aed82179-1e/s2048x3072/aeb49396c52261ef049a704c452c17bac1ad2287.png)
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/607bd1c30d14ca918adef0845e672a7e/64388758aed82179-8a/s2048x3072/047718f295723b4b1fa652f6e077cee1fcaaf891.png)
I just hope they do have some other FX company do this honestly.
Those fixes make me wish they go back in and actually digitally fix the predators in future releases.
Yup. That's a significant improvement.
The only one I'd say actually fixes anything is the Crucified Predator as it makes it look like the design it was intended to be.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 12, 2021, 06:20:51 AM
The only he only one I'd say actually fixes anything is the Crucified Predator as it makes it look like the design it was intended to be.
Nah, they all do look much better without floppy skin and mandible placement that covers what they actually should cover, namely their mouth.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Mar 12, 2021, 02:56:50 AM
I found this last week and forgot to post, but here's an audition tape for Skulls
https://vimeo.com/515115659
Great find man! Yet this dialogue shows exactly the things I don't need in next Predator.
Fugitive looks much better.
(https://cdn.prime1studio.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/l/s/lstpr-01_a01.jpg)
(https://cdn.prime1studio.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/l/s/lstpr-01_a02.jpg)
(https://cdn.prime1studio.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/m/pmtpr-01dx_a02_head.jpg)
Just like with the Prime 1.
Considering Cheyenne worked on True Detective, maybe they will take a look at Michael Greyeyes (Played the character Brett Woodard) for a role who was also in TD.
Based on his IMDb profile, he has familiarity with Canada.
QuoteHe is Nêhiyaw (Plains Cree) from Muskeg Lake Cree Nation in Saskatchewan, Canada.
They could also take a look at Elisha Pratt who played Michael's son on S03. Ironically Cheyenne was Elisha's brother on the show. Imagine if they were both cast in P5, lol.
**
If you go further down the internet rabbit hole, Michael and Elisha also worked together on a film Wild Indian which premiered at the 2021 Sundance Film Festival.
I meaaaan... I am a huge fan of the Predator and all, but TLoU series?!?!?! In July? Holu f@#k!
According to the lines from the audition tape, rebellous teenager she seem to be, as we kinda figured out before. Not thrilled with the dialogue itself, but I know it's nothing to base a full opinion on obviously. Still optimistic and enthusiastic overall about the project for now.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 12, 2021, 11:23:09 AM
According to the lines from the audition tape, rebellous teenager she seem to be, as we kinda figured out before. Not thrilled with the dialogue itself, but I know it's nothing to base a full opinion on obviously. Still optimistic and enthusiastic overall about the project for now.
I think the rebellious teenager angle isn't what you'd expect when you think of a rebellious teenager. Going from the audition tape it's more of a rebellious woman. Men hunt, women don't etc. Plus she's clearly a young adult and not a 13 year old.
On a side note if you want to see a rebellious teenager done right, go and watch a film called Becky. 👍
Yes I guess you're right. The actress does look like a teenager for me though, that's probably why I said that.
It's interesting. At first I thought Kee might be at odds with Comanche gender roles like cooking and making clothes. But from what we can gather from the audition, it's Hunting vs Medicine, becoming a Hunter versus becoming a Healer.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2021, 01:02:25 PM
It's interesting. At first I thought Kee might be at odds with Comanche gender roles like cooking and making clothes. But from what we can gather from the audition, it's Hunting vs Medicine, becoming a Hunter versus becoming a Healer.
Calling it now, a mix of both takes down the Predator. Like a poisoned spear or something for example.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Mar 12, 2021, 01:06:30 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2021, 01:02:25 PM
It's interesting. At first I thought Kee might be at odds with Comanche gender roles like cooking and making clothes. But from what we can gather from the audition, it's Hunting vs Medicine, becoming a Hunter versus becoming a Healer.
Calling it now, a mix of both takes down the Predator. Like a poisoned spear or something for example.
Aw man, yes! It would be interesting to see what Poison would neutralize a Predator. Maybe something with the effect of temporary paralysis. Now my mind is racing.
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/3o85xr9ZKY1wbbJXDW/giphy.gif)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2021, 01:14:21 PM
Quote from: goose_3387 on Mar 12, 2021, 01:06:30 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2021, 01:02:25 PM
It's interesting. At first I thought Kee might be at odds with Comanche gender roles like cooking and making clothes. But from what we can gather from the audition, it's Hunting vs Medicine, becoming a Hunter versus becoming a Healer.
Calling it now, a mix of both takes down the Predator. Like a poisoned spear or something for example.
Aw man, yes! It would be interesting to see what Poison would neutralize a Predator. Maybe something with the effect of temporary paralysis. Now my mind is racing.
https://media0.giphy.com/media/3o85xr9ZKY1wbbJXDW/giphy.gif
Indeed. They have some interesting ideas to play around with here.
That idea is actually very interesting and filled with great potential. Blend it with a bit of native mythological beliefs regarding what the predator is to them and we could have something really cool.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 12, 2021, 01:49:32 PM
That idea is actually very interesting and filled with great potential. Blend it with a bit of native mythological beliefs regarding what the predator is to them and we could have something really cool.
Yessssssss! After Anna and King Willie, we haven't seen Predator through that supernatural / mythological prism since, and the Predator film franchise has suffered as a result!
I have high hopes here!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2021, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 12, 2021, 01:49:32 PM
That idea is actually very interesting and filled with great potential. Blend it with a bit of native mythological beliefs regarding what the predator is to them and we could have something really cool.
Yessssssss! After Anna and King Willie, we haven't seen Predator through that supernatural / mythological prism since, and the Predator film franchise has suffered as a result!
I have high hopes here!
Let the gods hear us man !
I can picture it that she starts tracking the "Evil Spirit" that has taken the Heads of her tribe
Sounds good to me.
I think we may see that. Dan Trachtenberg appeared on an episode of a podcast called Screen Drafts and while he couldn't say anything plot related he did say the film would be ''something we've never seen in the franchise before''.
Wow, I can believe it will be filming soon. For those of you who are better versed at movie production, what do you guys think the release date for this film might be? Also, I hope this movie does great. We've never had a "period piece" film and I have high hopes!
Quote from: GreybackElder on Mar 12, 2021, 05:58:59 PM
Wow, I can believe it will be filming soon. For those of you who are better versed at movie production, what do you guys think the release date for this film might be? Also, I hope this movie does great. We've never had a "period piece" film and I have high hopes!
Yeah, I think we're all really excited that Skulls is a period piece, something we have all been craving since the end of 1990's Predator 2!
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/9aa2aa20b7cf44b135af71e50778b509/tumblr_nxxrm9ROn71uk3oooo2_500.gifv)
In regards to release date predictions, we have a thread: :)
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64804.0
Quote from: GreybackElder on Mar 12, 2021, 05:58:59 PM
Wow, I can believe it will be filming soon. For those of you who are better versed at movie production, what do you guys think the release date for this film might be? Also, I hope this movie does great. We've never had a "period piece" film and I have high hopes!
If all goes to schedule I'd say Oct/Nov 2022.
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 12, 2021, 05:58:13 PM
I think we may see that. Dan Trachtenberg appeared on an episode of a podcast called Screen Drafts and while he couldn't say anything plot related he did say the film would be ''something we've never seen in the franchise before''.
Oh cool! Was that pretty much it, in what Dan said in relation to Skulls? I'm wondering if I should give the podcast a listen!
''something we've never seen in the franchise before''.
Is a double edged sword, I appreciate everyone's optimism. The Native American angle is ripe with potential. ADI and a PG-13 rating will skin this movie alive. It would be great to go to an Alien/ Predator or Terminator movie without extremely low expectations. Cautiously awaiting the next announcement.
I like the sound of a Halloween release.
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Mar 12, 2021, 06:17:01 PM
''something we've never seen in the franchise before''.
Is a double edged sword
Very true. In the last film we got something we've never seen before too...
(https://i.ibb.co/qCCLCpY/20210217-165705.gif)
Exactly what I was thinking actually :laugh:
Female empowerment and Predator being defeated by a teenager is "something never seen before in the franchise", and it looks terrible. If this film is PG13, my hopes over.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2021, 06:12:51 PM
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 12, 2021, 05:58:13 PM
I think we may see that. Dan Trachtenberg appeared on an episode of a podcast called Screen Drafts and while he couldn't say anything plot related he did say the film would be ''something we've never seen in the franchise before''.
Oh cool! Was that pretty much it, in what Dan said in relation to Skulls? I'm wondering if I should give the podcast a listen!
Yeah essentially. He didn't give away any details or timeframes. He just said what most of us know, he's been working on it for about 4 years and that he had always been planning to do something that had never been done before. The podcast was released in January, it's not an interview podcast they rate certain movies in a category and the hosts asked him twice about the project and he gave very brief comments.
I mainly listened to make sure he was still working on the movie since we had the first news back in November and hadn't really heard much :laugh:
Plus, if I'm being honest he could've have mean the setting which technically is something we've never seen in the franchise before :laugh:
Here is a link to the podcast, trying to find exact spot where he talks about P5.
https://screendrafts.libsyn.com/john-woo-with-dan-trachtenberg-david-chen
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 12, 2021, 07:14:30 PM
Here is a link to the podcast, trying to find exact spot where he talks about P5.
https://screendrafts.libsyn.com/john-woo-with-dan-trachtenberg-david-chen
He briefly speaks about it around the 1:45 mark and I think he mentions it again towards the end. Again, he says very little in an almost 3 hour podcast ;D
Might not be anything but Kyle Strauts has started to "like" some of Dan Trachtenberg's tweets.
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 12, 2021, 07:33:07 PM
Might not be anything but Kyle Strauts has started to "like" some of Dan Trachtenberg's tweets.
I want to think that it's not a coincidence.
I love when Mr.H starts talking mandibles... ;D
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 12, 2021, 07:21:13 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 12, 2021, 07:14:30 PM
Here is a link to the podcast, trying to find exact spot where he talks about P5.
https://screendrafts.libsyn.com/john-woo-with-dan-trachtenberg-david-chen
He briefly speaks about it around the 1:45 mark and I think he mentions it again towards the end. Again, he says very little in an almost 3 hour podcast ;D
That's awesome. I'll check it out. Thank you both - Much appreciated!
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 12, 2021, 07:33:07 PM
Might not be anything but Kyle Strauts has started to "like" some of Dan Trachtenberg's tweets.
Damn ace! You're like a Master Detective! 👏
Well that could be conceived as another indicator that ADI won the contract perhaps.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2021, 08:32:33 PM
I love when Mr.H starts talking mandibles... ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXbvX1H4MSE
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 12, 2021, 07:21:13 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 12, 2021, 07:14:30 PM
Here is a link to the podcast, trying to find exact spot where he talks about P5.
https://screendrafts.libsyn.com/john-woo-with-dan-trachtenberg-david-chen
He briefly speaks about it around the 1:45 mark and I think he mentions it again towards the end. Again, he says very little in an almost 3 hour podcast ;D
That's awesome. I'll check it out. Thank you both - Much appreciated!
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 12, 2021, 07:33:07 PM
Might not be anything but Kyle Strauts has started to "like" some of Dan Trachtenberg's tweets.
Damn ace! You're like a Master Detective! 👏
Well that could be conceived as another indicator that ADI won the contract perhaps.
I like Mr.H generally but I wasn't a fan of his video on the first plot information. He was very against the female lead against gender norms thing.
He does generally put out some good info though!
That IATSE union site now has an email for Production Management.
Skulls :: Feature3/8/2021 :: 5/31/2021 :: 8/13/2021
PM: skulls.production@tcsmpp.com
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 12, 2021, 08:39:12 PM
That IATSE union site now has an email for Production Management.
Skulls :: Feature3/8/2021 :: 5/31/2021 :: 8/13/2021
PM: skulls.production@tcsmpp.com
Quick, someone try and get a job! :laugh:
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 12, 2021, 08:45:22 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 12, 2021, 08:39:12 PM
That IATSE union site now has an email for Production Management.
Skulls :: Feature3/8/2021 :: 5/31/2021 :: 8/13/2021
PM: skulls.production@tcsmpp.com
Quick, someone try and get a job! :laugh:
Why couldn't my parents be Comanche... 😁
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 12, 2021, 08:35:53 PM
I like Mr.H generally but I wasn't a fan of his video on the first plot information. He was very against the female lead against gender norms thing.
He does generally put out some good info though!
Yeah, sure they could go overboard and screw it up, but I'm generally excited by the premise myself.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2021, 08:58:45 PM
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 12, 2021, 08:45:22 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 12, 2021, 08:39:12 PM
That IATSE union site now has an email for Production Management.
Skulls :: Feature3/8/2021 :: 5/31/2021 :: 8/13/2021
PM: skulls.production@tcsmpp.com
Quick, someone try and get a job! :laugh:
Why couldn't my parents be Comanche... 😁
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 12, 2021, 08:35:53 PM
I like Mr.H generally but I wasn't a fan of his video on the first plot information. He was very against the female lead against gender norms thing.
He does generally put out some good info though!
Yeah, sure they could go overboard and screw it up, but I'm generally excited by the premise myself.
I've got a feeling he will do the premise justice. He didn't emphasize a girl being in charge in 10 Cloverfield Lane. I think it's a great premise as well. I want to see more of these old warrior types going up against a Predator. I love that scene in Predators where the Yakuza fights the Predator.. it's way too short but more of that style would be awesome.
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 12, 2021, 09:12:25 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2021, 08:58:45 PM
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 12, 2021, 08:45:22 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 12, 2021, 08:39:12 PM
That IATSE union site now has an email for Production Management.
Skulls :: Feature3/8/2021 :: 5/31/2021 :: 8/13/2021
PM: skulls.production@tcsmpp.com
Quick, someone try and get a job! :laugh:
Why couldn't my parents be Comanche... 😁
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 12, 2021, 08:35:53 PM
I like Mr.H generally but I wasn't a fan of his video on the first plot information. He was very against the female lead against gender norms thing.
He does generally put out some good info though!
Yeah, sure they could go overboard and screw it up, but I'm generally excited by the premise myself.
I've got a feeling he will do the premise justice. He didn't emphasize a girl being in charge in 10 Cloverfield Lane. I think it's a great premise as well. I want to see more of these old warrior types going up against a Predator. I love that scene in Predators where the Yakuza fights the Predator.. it's way too short but more of that style would be awesome.
Yeah, I think so too. I was actually encouraged by what I saw in the screen test. Not the delivery per say, but the content.
A Predator versus a Leonidas Spartan type was always a big wish of mine!
Quote from: Trash Queen link=topic=647e50.msg2512172#msg2512172 date=1615500434
And hopefully finishing David's story soon.
But who could direct it ??? Ridley's schedule is full until the year 3000.
He practically lives always perpetually having three projects going at on once so I do not see that being an issue honestly.
Now if we could just slip an alien in there...
I wish studio ADI would get the mandibles right. In my opinion Predator 2's city had the best mandibles. He's to hoping.
Hi predator's fan. Good news , a new Predator movie Perhaps it will help to forget the Bantha poodoo we saw 3 years ago ....
Good luck Cheyenne. ( I m close , Shelton Wa , part time ) But , come on , ADI , again .... The job was terrible in the last one ...
( everything was terrible ) any way , I still dreaming .... Who knows , there s some talent ........ Somewhere
Regards
Quote from: GreybackElder on Mar 13, 2021, 06:06:47 PM
I wish studio ADI would get the mandibles right. In my opinion Predator 2's city had the best mandibles. He's to hoping.
What I don't understand is how they can't just get it right. How is it so hard to replicate Stan Winston? There is near limitless reference material from movies, comics, statues, etc.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Mar 14, 2021, 03:06:54 AM
Quote from: GreybackElder on Mar 13, 2021, 06:06:47 PM
I wish studio ADI would get the mandibles right. In my opinion Predator 2's city had the best mandibles. He's to hoping.
What I don't understand is how they can't just get it right. How is it so hard to replicate Stan Winston? There is near limitless reference material from movies, comics, statues, etc.
I think it has already been solved, they even talked about it in an interview done by avp galaxy IIRC. They said it was THEIR personal choice, thus there's nothing left to understand. I know to many people (inculding me) it looks cheaper than previous designs etc, but not to them apparently.
Hey, if that's what THEY like what can we do ? Unless their taste changes, we're likely to continue with what we got in terms of "artistic choice" regarding the mouth.
They will not make the right mandibles. They will say this choice of director (again?) or it's more scary (like fleshy aliens instead biomechanical).
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 14, 2021, 10:00:21 AM
Quote from: The Shuriken on Mar 14, 2021, 03:06:54 AM
Quote from: GreybackElder on Mar 13, 2021, 06:06:47 PM
I wish studio ADI would get the mandibles right. In my opinion Predator 2's city had the best mandibles. He's to hoping.
What I don't understand is how they can't just get it right. How is it so hard to replicate Stan Winston? There is near limitless reference material from movies, comics, statues, etc.
I think it has already been solved, they even talked about it in an interview done by avp galaxy IIRC. They said it was THEIR personal choice, thus there's nothing left to understand. I know to many people (inculding me) it looks cheaper than previous designs etc, but not to them apparently.
Well ADI relegated the whole issue to the question - why do Predators have to look like they did in the first two movies. They answered the question with a question.
But I'd argue the mandible skin not appearing elastic & realistic and mandible teeth rolling in different directions with Scar for instance is not a desired choice by ADI or director, but rather just an unfortunate result of a poor design and/or flawed execution.
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/0a1771ca992104d6dd71567ee4de7a43/tumblr_pmylellN1r1xuau3co1_500.gif)
I think Scar looks good and Classic from Predators too. We dont need to have the same design over and over again.
I agree that ADI has made terrible predators.
Avp is the worst of all. his eyes and general appearance make him look silly. the jaws are a complete mess, opening too wide and to all sides and possible ways
The first Predator had jaws that we could feel a robust bone structure there.
Predators can be different from each other, like the first and second films, but whoever makes animatronics has to think that there is a bone structure there that needs to be followed.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 14, 2021, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 14, 2021, 10:00:21 AM
Quote from: The Shuriken on Mar 14, 2021, 03:06:54 AM
Quote from: GreybackElder on Mar 13, 2021, 06:06:47 PM
I wish studio ADI would get the mandibles right. In my opinion Predator 2's city had the best mandibles. He's to hoping.
What I don't understand is how they can't just get it right. How is it so hard to replicate Stan Winston? There is near limitless reference material from movies, comics, statues, etc.
I think it has already been solved, they even talked about it in an interview done by avp galaxy IIRC. They said it was THEIR personal choice, thus there's nothing left to understand. I know to many people (inculding me) it looks cheaper than previous designs etc, but not to them apparently.
Well ADI relegated the whole issue to the question - why do Predators have to look like they did in the first two movies. They answered the question with a question.
But I'd argue the mandible skin not appearing elastic & realistic and mandible teeth rolling in different directions with Scar for instance is not a desired choice by ADI or director, but rather just an unfortunate result of a poor design and/or flawed execution.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/0a1771ca992104d6dd71567ee4de7a43/tumblr_pmylellN1r1xuau3co1_500.gif
Yes I remember now ! That's why I understood it as a personal choice, as "it don't have to look like the first two movies, we prefer doing it that way", but indeed they didn't clearly stated that way.
I totally agree with you though, floppy skin looks cheap as hell (I can't even begin to understand how someone would not agree on this specific point actually) and the disproportioned head mostly noticeable in The Predator looks silly.
They do have two Predator suits left over from The Predator so I'm betting to cut costs they're retooling what they had on that production. Probably reusing the body suits and reusing armor from either AVP should they not outsource it again.
My money is on the mask being Scar's since we know they still have the molds and would be the nearest to JH for a back to basics approach. As for the head itself I think that's going to be the thing that changes TBH since the director is going to want something appropriate and made for that film. We're probably going to see a return of the detailed dreadlocks though.
I'm holding out hope that, if ADI is confirmed to have the gig, they don't reuse anything. It might be a fools hope S.I., but dammit, I'm hoping! :)
Quote from: LSL on Mar 14, 2021, 01:48:11 PM
The first Predator had jaws that we could feel a robust bone structure there. Predators can be different from each other, like the first and second films, but whoever makes animatronics has to think that there is a bone structure there that needs to be followed.
Couldn't agree more! 👏
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 14, 2021, 02:45:11 PM
I totally agree with you though, floppy skin looks cheap as hell (I can't even begin to understand how someone would not agree on this specific point actually) and the disproportioned head mostly noticeable in The Predator looks silly.
Yeah, I find it odd too. But alas, we're all Predator fans at the end of the day, so go #TeamPredator :)👍
Y'all are spot on. "It was the Director's choice" or "People have different mouths, why can't Predators" just comes off like the carpenter blaming his tools. Hard to compare Predator to other franchises but if the Stormtrooper's look was off or Vaders helmet didn't fit correctly, the fans wouldn't or shouldn't be up in arms?
Look at that Sonic debacle, didn't the fans actually get the studio to fix the face?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 14, 2021, 04:17:25 PM
I'm holding out hope that, if ADI is confirmed to have the gig, they don't reuse anything. It might be a fools hope S.I., but dammit, I'm hoping! :)
Quote from: LSL on Mar 14, 2021, 01:48:11 PM
The first Predator had jaws that we could feel a robust bone structure there. Predators can be different from each other, like the first and second films, but whoever makes animatronics has to think that there is a bone structure there that needs to be followed.
Couldn't agree more! 👏
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 14, 2021, 02:45:11 PM
I totally agree with you though, floppy skin looks cheap as hell (I can't even begin to understand how someone would not agree on this specific point actually) and the disproportioned head mostly noticeable in The Predator looks silly.
Yeah, I find it odd too. But alas, we're all Predator fans at the end of the day, so go #TeamPredator :)👍
I wouldn't mind retooling some unused concepts from TP. Lots was cut out for that movie. Head like this would've been fine by me, problem is, as always, how it looks in action.
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/6452efa98fa03db44297d9a07f9db087/tumblr_pj3fk7THo01xuau3co1_640.jpg)
Yep that is one of the cut emissaries, but we saw it in action with BTS stuff, and it was meh.
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Mar 14, 2021, 07:33:30 PM
Y'all are spot on. "It was the Director's choice" or "People have different mouths, why can't Predators" just comes off like the carpenter blaming his tools. Hard to compare Predator to other franchises but if the Stormtrooper's look was off or Vaders helmet didn't fit correctly, the fans wouldn't or shouldn't be up in arms?
Look at that Sonic debacle, didn't the fans actually get the studio to fix the face?
Funny that with Star Wars, they did loose their shit over it.
The Mandalorian has two examples of this with the Scout trooper's knee pads being upside down and the Stormtroopers themselves being a mismatch of Anovos and Rogue One parts. The Mandalorian Stormtroopers are also missing parts or are broken in places like the Solo troopers and while they wrote it off for the series (kind of like the Resurrection Alien) they really did just break suits beyond repair or lost parts and replaced it with off the shelf pieces.The Jedha Sandtroopers also lacking the details of the OT Sandtroopers and you wouldn't believe the shit show when people saw the symmetrical Stormtrooper and lost it at Disney over that. Even in animated form like with Crabators here, the Rebels and Resistance Stormtrooper helmets have been likened to a dog snout. The ROTJ suits would get inserted into the OT with the special edition and once again had problems given that the ROTJ suits look warped compared to the ANH version because they are.
In terms of Vader the helmet didn't fit correctly and looked kind of bad flopping about in the wind in ESB. Of course they removed or made the eyes not as prominent a red for later entries and when brought back for Rogue One that of course blew up since nobody was in agreement on what lens color Vader's eyes are or even if the helmet in ROTS should've been symmetrical. Its the Star Wars communities own skull or no skull. And yeah people do get into arguments on if the tunic goes under or over the chest piece let alone what even the lightsaber and chestbox look like.
The First Order Stormtroopers (including Phasma) got a facelift for TLJ and TROS since they used the same suit for the Stormtroopers). That was litterally because TFA version was dubbed something akin to "frog mouth" and Rian Johnson didn't think it looked intimidating enough so the teeth came back for that.
People come into the franchise at different points and different ways and since no two suits had been alike between films and only superficially similar you have people with different ideas on what a Stormtrooper or even Darth Vader look like. Much like with Alien or Predator as even an idealized version still gets rejected by people. There is no perfect Darth Vader or Stormtrooper.
Nice lesson, that makes sense. I'm gonna be looking for those details next time I watch a Star War. The fans always know.
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Mar 14, 2021, 07:33:30 PM
Look at that Sonic debacle, didn't the fans actually get the studio to fix the face?
One can argue that the whole "Sonic design" issue was carefully orchestrated by the studio to generate more hype for the movie
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 14, 2021, 09:16:12 PM
Yep that is one of the cut emissaries, but we saw it in action with BTS stuff, and it was meh.
I'm aware, but those sculpts ( this and other emissary) are waaaay better then shooting suits we've seen, that's why I posted it ;)
Ya know in all honestly I couldn't possibly care less about Predators all "looking the same". Because....well the first two look superb. I'd be fine with it.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 14, 2021, 10:00:21 AM
I think it has already been solved, they even talked about it in an interview done by avp galaxy IIRC. They said it was THEIR personal choice, thus there's nothing left to understand. I know to many people (inculding me) it looks cheaper than previous designs etc, but not to them apparently.
Hey, if that's what THEY like what can we do ? Unless their taste changes, we're likely to continue with what we got in terms of "artistic choice" regarding the mouth.
Simple, create a huge fuss about it. That's what the Jurassic World fans did when there wasn't enough animatronics in the first film, which we all know its one of the big reasons the series is famous for, great dinosaur animatronics. The second one provided more and its confirmed that the newest one has a lot more that will please the fans (hopefully they do). One can also look at Sonic for the reworked version on his model.
The difficult part of this is that Skulls is supposed to be a stealth Predator film so how can we bring this to their attention without bringing the film itself to the attention of the general audience who like Predator or even a good action film but not aware about what we know about the film's true story.
My thoughts on their "answer", honestly though, if its pride and ego stopping the improvement, they have to understand you can have different types of Predators looking different but the mandibles of Predators is the inherit structure that cannot change drastically. Its like how us humans have under or overbites, small or large chins but in the end the bones will always be placed and look the way its supposed to be. Everything else, like the more increased muscle mass in AVP, the high tech look Fugitive in The Predator, and the sleeker rugged look of Wolf in AVPR is individualistic and up for scrutiny as like us humans. I mean Predator Hunting Grounds shown you got athletic slim like a swimmer, a balance of speed and strength like a MMA fighter, and very muscular like a wrestler.
ADI has the talent, just put a little more energy on the mandibles and they can have something amazing.
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 14, 2021, 10:24:49 PM
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Mar 14, 2021, 07:33:30 PM
Look at that Sonic debacle, didn't the fans actually get the studio to fix the face?
One can argue that the whole "Sonic design" issue was carefully orchestrated by the studio to generate more hype for the movie
One could. I don't *think* it was, though, since it delayed the movie by six months.
Quote from: Stitch on Mar 15, 2021, 01:05:12 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 14, 2021, 10:24:49 PM
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Mar 14, 2021, 07:33:30 PM
Look at that Sonic debacle, didn't the fans actually get the studio to fix the face?
One can argue that the whole "Sonic design" issue was carefully orchestrated by the studio to generate more hype for the movie
One could. I don't *think* it was, though, since it delayed the movie by six months.
Yeah, for me, that is a bit too much of a high risk marketing plan with plenty of downside to become a theory I could personally subscribe to. :)
OT but also related:
So I was (still am) watching Avengers: Endgame on Disney+ and thought it would be cool if Alan Silvestri was hired as the composer for Predator 5. I went to his IMDb page to see what kind of stuff he has done post Avengers and this caught my attention - Warrior: Predator (Short) -- 2019. Now before I posted this - I searched the fan film section with no results, so hopefully I didn't miss anything.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11454100/?ref_=ttmi_tt
Now check out the synopsis for the fan film:
QuoteA 16th century Native American warrior is forced to fight for her life against sister Predators. Will this fierce warrior survive? Or will she become another trophy for the deadly hunters?
Now check out the poster for the film:
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BODFlZDQ0MjctMTQxNS00MDcwLTkwZmMtMGM0YzdhZDQ1NGNjXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTg1MTc3MQ@@._V1_.jpg)
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BM2Y2MTUxZjEtY2UzNS00M2FhLWI3ZjEtZmQzNmYyNDIyMzkyXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNDE5MTU2MDE@._V1_.jpg)
Now check out the short film:
Article with interview with director Chris R. Notarile:
https://www.dreadcentral.com/news/315893/video-fierce-females-face-off-in-fan-film-warrior-predator/
I predict a scene where the heroine is surrounded by a troop of dastardly US Cavalry, only to be rescued from certain death by the arrival of a Predator.
Quote from: Rudiger on Mar 15, 2021, 09:28:50 AM
I predict a scene where the heroine is surrounded by a troop of dastardly US Cavalry, only to be rescued from certain death by the arrival of a Predator.
It's supposed to be set before european colonization, but like I said earlier, they will possibly change that. Maybe a safer bet for the studio. I'm all for the full native version though.
I don't know, I keep seeing 2021 materials that underline the point Skulls takes place in a "pre-reservation time", so this late in the game, unless it's some sort of strange red herring, I think it's safe to believe there will be no European colonists.
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 15, 2021, 06:44:11 AM
OT but also related:
So I was (still am) watching Avengers: Endgame on Disney+ and thought it would be cool if Alan Silvestri was hired as the composer for Predator 5. I went to his IMDb page to see what kind of stuff he has done post Avengers and this caught my attention - Warrior: Predator (Short) -- 2019. Now before I posted this - I searched the fan film section with no results, so hopefully I didn't miss anything.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11454100/?ref_=ttmi_tt
Now check out the synopsis for the fan film:
QuoteA 16th century Native American warrior is forced to fight for her life against sister Predators. Will this fierce warrior survive? Or will she become another trophy for the deadly hunters?
Now check out the poster for the film:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BODFlZDQ0MjctMTQxNS00MDcwLTkwZmMtMGM0YzdhZDQ1NGNjXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTg1MTc3MQ@@._V1_.jpg
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BM2Y2MTUxZjEtY2UzNS00M2FhLWI3ZjEtZmQzNmYyNDIyMzkyXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNDE5MTU2MDE@._V1_.jpg
Now check out the short film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZBh2BW9CMs
Article with interview with director Chris R. Notarile:
https://www.dreadcentral.com/news/315893/video-fierce-females-face-off-in-fan-film-warrior-predator/
Crazy coincidence!
Holy shit, I really hate these short films, movies, comics or whatever that shows Predators as physically weak as humans. This is so stupid. Predators are much stronger and more resilient. See Predator 2, where he was hit by several shotguns and remained alive and fighting. Then they decide to create these crap where Predators are killed with a stab or a single shot. In this "Warrior Predator" the protagonist even holds the arm of the Predator in the greatest ease. Oh God. When will I see a new work where this character is properly respected?
Quote from: LSL on Mar 15, 2021, 04:40:47 PM
Holy shit, I really hate these short films, movies, comics or whatever that shows Predators as physically weak as humans. This is so stupid. Predators are much stronger and more resilient. See Predator 2, where he was hit by several shotguns and remained alive and fighting. Then they decide to create these crap where Predators are killed with a stab or a single shot. In this "Warrior Predator" the protagonist even holds the arm of the Predator in the greatest ease. Oh God. When will I see a new work where this character is properly respected?
They should not be as weak as Humans or as tactically inept. Fire and Stone irritates me for that reason as the Predators have a habit of jumping into gunfire. Though in context to Predator 2, City Hunter did need medical attention afterwards even if he could get up from it.
Though we have three examples of a Human beating a Predator in a knife fight. Harrigan took a one armed City Hunter and got him by surprise, Falconer died in the dual, and Berserker got the Hell beaten out of him. It's possible to do but every time it happens the Predator has a handicap.
Quite a thread here
https://twitter.com/DannyParty/status/1371576811394588675
Leaked script incoming.
Good... give it to me ;D
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 16, 2021, 01:19:34 AM
Quite a thread here
https://twitter.com/DannyParty/status/1371576811394588675
I was right about the historical era! I mentioned that the Comanche weren't even a thing until the Colonial period, which ironically to the synopsis given to us, the Comanche formed when Europeans started to dip their toes into the Americas. Especially the Comanches made their brand as full on warriors thanks in huge part of the horses that were given by European trade via the Spanish Empire. Horses helped them take swathes of land, enabled them to preform better in both hunting and warfare.
So what gives? Is the synopsis going to be updated? Is Hollywood yet again going to mess up on native representation and history as they infamously known for? Is the script actually different than what the synopsis is supposed to be? Oh man, I wanna read it now.
Quick let's all judge and hate the movie before it comes out!!!!
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 16, 2021, 01:19:34 AM
Quite a thread here
https://twitter.com/DannyParty/status/1371576811394588675
Sorry for my ignorance but I know very little to nothing of Native American history. There is part of the problem as they could present anything to me on screen and I wouldn't know any different.
So Kyle Strauts seemed to lobby a bit to participate in Dan Trachtenberg's Skulls back in November, so perhaps, just perhaps, Kyle liking this tweet means we found at least one of our Predators?
(https://i.ibb.co/jGWTB4F/Screenshot-20210316-064742-Twitter.jpg)
Quote from: goose_3387 on Mar 16, 2021, 08:22:15 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 16, 2021, 01:19:34 AM
Quite a thread here
https://twitter.com/DannyParty/status/1371576811394588675
Sorry for my ignorance but I know very little to nothing of Native American history. There is part of the problem as they could present anything to me on screen and I wouldn't know any different.
Like most people, don't worry.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Mar 16, 2021, 08:22:15 AM
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 16, 2021, 01:19:34 AM
Quite a thread here
https://twitter.com/DannyParty/status/1371576811394588675
Sorry for my ignorance but I know very little to nothing of Native American history. There is part of the problem as they could present anything to me on screen and I wouldn't know any different.
Yeah, its all good there bro! Its why, despite the snide comment Mudbutt hinted at "judge and hate", its is important to have criticisms of the film if it incorrectly represents native american culture as a monolith instead of a proper historical piece as the film claimed to do. Its a great disservice for people who have no idea of the different types of native american culture and see this film, the misinformation can be harmful to the overall stereotype that native tribes face today. Its no surprise that native americans in general get the lowest end of the stick in various things in the United States, from history, politics, and media with Hollywood havin a history of portraying them in very outdated and even crude manners. Which is why if a person of Comanche background has some concerns about the film with the current info we have, it makes sense that he is worried of another handwaved native film that does very little in representation and belittling of their history. Like the guy mentioned in his tweets, Hollywood has the ability to contact a Comanche director and advisors that can give some great inputs for the film that can strengthen its quality. Currently, we the info we have right now, it is unknown that if they do have a strong hand on things or not so its no surprise some people might have something to say on the matter.
What about focusing on having a good movie first and foremost ? Isn't that the priority ? Serious question.
Director's Guild of Canada website has been updated with production info on Skulls
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ewn8VY0W8AU_S4I?format=png&name=large)
https://www.dgc.ca/assets/Uploads/ProductionList-03162021.pdf
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 16, 2021, 06:41:27 PM
What about focusing on having a good movie first and foremost ? Isn't that the priority ? Serious question.
I'm with you with all my heart.
Historically the film industry gives Native Americans a bad look. It can be well meaning but it doesn't always work on account of the fact that they're working with a culture most Americans (and frankly everybody else) have a superficial knowledge of largely on account of said industry as well as most Americans not being taught Native history beyond the establishment of the United States. It also doesn't help that a lot of that culture just doesn't exist anymore on account of the Americans simply being here. It's always going to be a touchy subject be it that things don't hold up under scrutiny or that it's simply Hollywood doing it in the first place. It really is that lacking and most Americans just can't tell you anything beyond Hollywood since they have no reason to learn it beyond deeper studies typically on their own. We can only hope the cultural advisor is up to the job.
It will be about as accurate to reality as the Alien Prequels dabbling in creationism. The best thing they could've done is not do it at all but at the end of the day the product needs to speak for itself and will be largely how its judged. Outside something like Renegade Cut I just don't see this film being judged on the depiction of Native Americans unless its genuinely egregious and even then it's not meant be 1:1 with reality.
Good movie comes first.
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 16, 2021, 07:23:55 PM
Director's Guild of Canada website has been updated with production info on Skulls
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ewn8VY0W8AU_S4I?format=png&name=large)
https://www.dgc.ca/assets/Uploads/ProductionList-03162021.pdf
Heh, "Balzac"
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 16, 2021, 06:41:27 PM
What about focusing on having a good movie first and foremost ? Isn't that the priority ? Serious question.
We can have a good quality movie AND not make an ass out of Native American culture of which is the subject of said movie, but I guess its too much to ask?
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 16, 2021, 07:30:23 PM
Historically the film industry gives Native Americans a bad look. It can be well meaning but it doesn't always work on account of the fact that they're working with a culture most Americans (and frankly everybody else) have a superficial knowledge of largely on account of said industry as well as most Americans not being taught Native history beyond the establishment of the United States. It also doesn't help that a lot of that culture just doesn't exist anymore on account of the Americans simply being here. It's always going to be a touchy subject be it that things don't hold up under scrutiny or that it's simply Hollywood doing it in the first place. It really is that lacking and most Americans just can't tell you anything beyond Hollywood since they have no reason to learn it beyond deeper studies typically on their own. We can only hope the cultural advisor is up to the job.
Yeah, I mean thats why I would strongly urge for cultural advisors to help with the film. If you are going to portray a group of people for a film or other media, make sure to do plenty of research to help develop the story so that you don't come out as tone deaf of said people
you are using for the project. I mean look no further with The Predator on their dumb take on kids with autism......
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 16, 2021, 07:30:23 PM
It will be about as accurate to reality as the Alien Prequels dabbling in creationism. The best thing they could've done is not do it at all but at the end of the day the product needs to speak for itself and will be largely how its judged. Outside something like Renegade Cut I just don't see this film being judged on the depiction of Native Americans unless its genuinely egregious and even then it's not meant be 1:1 with reality.
Good movie comes first.
Well yeah, films will never be a 1:1 with reality, I mean look at videogames with the Assassin's Creed series where they use history and scifi together.
Assassin's Creed 3 had a Mohawk protagonist named Ratonhnhaké:ton that has interactions with his tribe and the 13 colonies that respectfully portray him and his people in a well positive represented light while telling of a fictional sc-fi conspiracy theory of two organizations fighting over peace through freedom vs control that spanned since the fall of Egypt during Roman times and humanity was also created by a slave race by a precursor race, which is taking behind the scenes during the American Revolution.
Additionally, as @DannyParty mentioned on twitter, if they did proper research, they could miss out on possibilities on enhancing the film's quality like having epic horseback fights chasing down a Predator through the trees seeing to how they had access to horses when the Europeans started to move in or seeing that the tribe is known for adopting other people, one can having a tie in with Dutch by having an ancestor coming across a Predator, perhaps an aid to Kee with her battle? Pull a Tremors where you had the actor of Burt Gummer be his own ancestor of a prequal film during the 19th century when he faced the big worms before his descendent did.
So, your take is just ??? Great representation will never subtract from a great film.
I never said representation would detract, just that it needs to be a good film first. Hollywood is bad at portraying Native Americans so it's just wiser to expect the advisors to do a good enough job the depiction isn't egregious.
There is a good chance there has been a historical Comanche advisor that has not only already recommend changes to the script (if needed) but will also be on set to advise, so this concern may all be for naught. However...
Being 100% historical accurate would be a double edged blade for the Comanche. Since I'm not a historian on the subject, I'll use the word "accused" and just say in my research for this movie, they have been accused of having an incredible brutal side ad well. I would imagine if any of that would be depicted on film, true or not, it would be nothing like the positive light I presume Dan Trachtenberg will be shining on them.
War films. Important figures of our past. Hollywood seems to take creative liberties with historical films all the time because it makes for a better movie. And I don't really consider Skulls a historical film. It's a fictional story featuring an intergalactic hunting space alien. It's less "Lincoln" to me and more "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter". So as long as they don't disparage the Comanche, but rather portray them in a positive light, I don't personally feel this Predator film is worth getting bent out of shape over in regards to 100% historical accuracy. But that's just me. :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 16, 2021, 12:54:00 PM
So Kyle Strauts seemed to lobby a bit to participate in Dan Trachtenberg's Skulls back in November, so perhaps, just perhaps, Kyle liking this tweet means we found at least one of our Predators?
(https://i.ibb.co/jGWTB4F/Screenshot-20210316-064742-Twitter.jpg)
Kyle had liked one of my replies back in feb - skull emoticons
So we are all in agreement Kee is probably one of Billy's ancestors right? He was said to be of comanche origin iirc
Quote from: Shaeffer11 on Mar 17, 2021, 12:10:57 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 16, 2021, 12:54:00 PM
So Kyle Strauts seemed to lobby a bit to participate in Dan Trachtenberg's Skulls back in November, so perhaps, just perhaps, Kyle liking this tweet means we found at least one of our Predators?
(https://i.ibb.co/jGWTB4F/Screenshot-20210316-064742-Twitter.jpg)
Kyle had liked one of my replies back in feb - skull emoticons
What did you say that he liked?
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 17, 2021, 12:18:19 AM
So we are all in agreement Kee is probably one of Billy's ancestors right? He was said to be of comanche origin iirc
So Billy is Kee's great great great great great great great great great grandfather?
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Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Mar 16, 2021, 09:59:56 PM
I never said representation would detract, just that it needs to be a good film first. Hollywood is bad at portraying Native Americans so it's just wiser to expect the advisors to do a good enough job the depiction isn't egregious.
Sure, so then it wasn't necessary to bring up that it needs to be a good film because it had nothing to do with my current concern. Saying "I want strong representation of Comanche people" doesn't mean "forsaken good film writing". Its just a glaring indicator of red flags for me that they miss
the very basic stuff that makes the tribe Comanche, then what else are they messing up with? Its like making a historic drama film during WWII like Saving Private Ryan but its the year is 1962 with technology of 2021, people are going to say wtf is this mess. Its like the Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter movie example Voodoo pointed out, yeah it has a crazy concept but at least we know there is still grounds of reality that allows us to suspend our disbelief; the world the story takes place is in 19th century America, Lincoln is still Lincoln, he is deal with the political struggles of America, but also he hunts vampires at night. No real major historical changes or ideas that makes the film completely bizarre outside of what we are called to ignore.
We do have very little on the movie so yeah while I cannot say for certain that they might have typos in that synopsis and perhaps the updated version does have the correct info, I just input my worries with what I have on my hands currently. When that leaked script comes by, I'll want to take a look and see how it goes.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 17, 2021, 02:40:23 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 17, 2021, 12:18:19 AM
So we are all in agreement Kee is probably one of Billy's ancestors right? He was said to be of comanche origin iirc
So Billy is Kee's great great great great great great great great great grandfather?
https://media.tenor.com/images/f4080513d81250d60c67c8089a53502e/tenor.gif
Not unless Billy looks
really good for his age
I believe he was the oldest of the bunch.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 17, 2021, 02:40:23 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 17, 2021, 12:18:19 AM
So we are all in agreement Kee is probably one of Billy's ancestors right? He was said to be of comanche origin iirc
So Billy is Kee's great great great great great great great great great grandfather?
https://media.tenor.com/images/f4080513d81250d60c67c8089a53502e/tenor.gif
Don't you mean greatx9
grandson?
Quote from: Stitch on Mar 17, 2021, 11:26:50 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 17, 2021, 02:40:23 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 17, 2021, 12:18:19 AM
So we are all in agreement Kee is probably one of Billy's ancestors right? He was said to be of comanche origin iirc
So Billy is Kee's great great great great great great great great great grandfather?
https://media.tenor.com/images/f4080513d81250d60c67c8089a53502e/tenor.gif
Not unless Billy looks really good for his age
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 18, 2021, 02:02:04 AM
Don't you mean greatx9 grandson?
(((facepalm)))
I am certainly a great example of why one shouldn't drink and post. :laugh:
Voodoo- on 2/8 Kyle had a tweet saying something like: let's just say it's big and I replied with 4 skulls (should've done 5) with a question mark and he liked the tweet.
Interesting!
Back in November, Kyle appeared to tag Dan in Facebook with this:
(https://i.ibb.co/fkYXfnf/Screenshot-20210317-223801-Facebook.jpg)
Has Dan Trachtenberg confirmed his preference for crabators yet?
Quote from: Shaeffer11 on Mar 18, 2021, 02:34:36 AM
Voodoo- on 2/8 Kyle had a tweet saying something like: let's just say it's big and I replied with 4 skulls (should've done 5) with a question mark and he liked the tweet.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 18, 2021, 02:40:37 AM
Interesting!
Back in November, Kyle appeared to tag Dan in Facebook with this:
(https://i.ibb.co/fkYXfnf/Screenshot-20210317-223801-Facebook.jpg)
Well coincidence no more.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2021, 03:35:55 AM
Has Dan Trachtenberg confirmed his preference for crabators yet?
We await his press conference on the issue.
(https://www.blackenterprise.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2015/11/Empty-Podium_freelanceknight-1280x720.jpg)
Voodoo, drop the sniper rifle, NOW !
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 18, 2021, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2021, 03:35:55 AM
Has Dan Trachtenberg confirmed his preference for crabators yet?
We await his press conference on the issue.
(https://www.blackenterprise.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2015/11/Empty-Podium_freelanceknight-1280x720.jpg)
Is that a joke?
Quote from: David on Mar 18, 2021, 01:55:00 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 18, 2021, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2021, 03:35:55 AM
Has Dan Trachtenberg confirmed his preference for crabators yet?
We await his press conference on the issue.
(https://www.blackenterprise.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2015/11/Empty-Podium_freelanceknight-1280x720.jpg)
Is that a joke?
Yes, that was a joke. :D
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2021, 01:37:12 PM
Voodoo, drop the sniper rifle, NOW !
Yikes! How crazy do you think I am? lol
Naw, I'm all about peace and love and correctly positioned mandibles. :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 18, 2021, 02:14:23 PM
Quote from: David on Mar 18, 2021, 01:55:00 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 18, 2021, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2021, 03:35:55 AM
Has Dan Trachtenberg confirmed his preference for crabators yet?
We await his press conference on the issue.
(https://www.blackenterprise.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2015/11/Empty-Podium_freelanceknight-1280x720.jpg)
Is that a joke?
Yes, that was a joke. :D
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2021, 01:37:12 PM
Voodoo, drop the sniper rifle, NOW !
Yikes! How crazy do you think I am? lol
Naw, I'm all about peace and love and correctly positioned mandibles. :)
:)... But its a good idea, to make an interview with Dan Trachtenberg about Skulls.
I doubt any of the directors wanted the crabator look but it was what they and we got. That's why the Preds are hardly on screen without their mask. Apart from Anderson requesting more teeth and a larger chin for a more heroic appearance( fail) that shouldn't be an excuse for why the mandibles don't work. Unfortunately it comes down to money and if ADI is going to low ball other studios by saying they can do it cheaper. You get what you pay for. Lets hope Trachtenberg puts his foot down on the issue.
Nothing much to see here, just an article indicating how the film/television industry is boosting the local economy, and
Skulls is mentioned:
- "The amount of production on the books today, from major studios as well as local producers and numerous local and international television commercials, is very encouraging.
The list of networks includes CBS — Guilty Party; Paramount — Joe Pickett; MGM — Billy the Kid; Apple — Fraggle Rock; and Disney — Skulls.
They all add up to good news for those employed in the film and television industry, but also have an effect on many other sectors, such as hospitality, restaurants and car hire, as well as the unknown benefits of promoting our tourism industry."
https://calgaryherald.com/business/commercial-real-estate/action-in-film-industry-a-big-break-for-local-economy
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Mar 18, 2021, 04:13:31 PM
I doubt any of the directors wanted the crabator look but it was what they and we got. That's why the Preds are hardly on screen without their mask. Apart from Anderson requesting more teeth and a larger chin for a more heroic appearance( fail) that shouldn't be an excuse for why the mandibles don't work. Unfortunately it comes down to money and if ADI is going to low ball other studios by saying they can do it cheaper. You get what you pay for. Lets hope Trachtenberg puts his foot down on the issue.
Indeed.
It was interesting what TQ brought up once in regards to what MPC (who did the cg work for "The Predator") thought the Fugitive was going to look like and possibly so did Shane Black.... versus the finished effect ADI often produced. Because clearly, MPC had no issues with broken jaws, closed mandibles, etc...
(https://i.ibb.co/g9Vk8tj/Screenshot-20210225-115109-Gallery.png)
(https://i1.wp.com/www.artofvfx.com/ThePredator/ThePredator_MPC_VFX_01A.jpg)
Man, that CG flashback, what a mess. Could have been a great opportunity to see some new Preds and bizarre technology.
But I agree, the mandibles did close.
Voodoo is on the case
Didn't ADI say that crabatization was their idea and their preference?
No.
I must be thinking of something else. Was it PWSA who started it?
He did say he wanted a more "handsome" predator, or something close to that.
He did. The extra teeth, closed mouths (not mandibles, obviously), less sunken eyes, more "human" face, less slime, etc.
But that's dumb.
But it comes with a free Frogurt!
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2021, 10:57:19 PM
But that's dumb.
Anderson's whole career after Even Horizon is dumb.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2021, 11:12:56 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2021, 10:57:19 PM
But that's dumb.
Anderson's whole career after Even Horizon is dumb.
:laugh:
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2021, 08:10:42 PM
Didn't ADI say that crabatization was their idea and their preference?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 14, 2021, 12:51:10 PM
Well ADI relegated the whole issue to the question - why do Predators have to look like they did in the first two movies. They answered the question with a question.
But I'd argue the mandible skin not appearing elastic & realistic and mandible teeth rolling in different directions with Scar for instance is not a desired choice by ADI or director, but rather just an unfortunate result of a poor design and/or flawed execution.
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/0a1771ca992104d6dd71567ee4de7a43/tumblr_pmylellN1r1xuau3co1_500.gif)
This is all very confusing.
(https://frinkiac.com/img/S04E05/231780.jpg)
But Predators can't close their mouths every film from that point onward.
That's bad.
(https://www.cartooncuisine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Cursed-Frogurt.jpg)
Predators in 2010 releases to moderate financial and critical success featuring a Predator versus Predator fight!
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(https://frinkiac.com/img/S04E05/231780.jpg)
The following film tackles the same concept but also contains Predators hunting for autism.
...
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Hey but at least it was nothing anyone expected ! I guess it's a good thing right ? Yeah I'm sure it's right !
I like the first five resident evil movies.
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The first two I found to be pretty cool. I didn't follow the ones after that.
The first is one of my favourite popcorn flicks. Soundtrack is ace.
I liked the first RE because I thought it could still be reconciled with the games at the time. The sequels killed all hope of that though.
Yeah I thought the first one was decent. The second one did have one redeeming feature that made it totally worth watching though:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/27/ac/3827ac471518f0590dcbbca1f9911e41.jpg)
The sequels would have been better off if they kept to doing their own thing like the first movie did instead of half-heartedly throwing in stuff from the games.
Here's the latest Resident Evil thread ladies & gents, before some people start thinking Skulls might be a Predator/RE crossover. :laugh:
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64372.0
Back on topic, thanks to Whos_Nick - kept Vimeo as a resource.
Actress Stefany Mathias posted various audition takes for Aruka (Kee and Taabe's mother); scene is between Aruka and Kee.
Her IMDb page: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0558774/
Intro video:
https://vimeo.com/529058582
Audition:
https://vimeo.com/529173358
https://vimeo.com/529059494
https://vimeo.com/529175860
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 29, 2021, 10:33:54 PM
Back on topic, thanks to Whos_Nick - kept Vimeo as a resource.
Actress Stefany Mathias posted various audition takes for Aruka (Kee and Taabe's mother); scene is between Aruka and Kee.
Her IMDb page: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0558774/
That's awesome Ace! So now we have the mother's name...
Aruka!
I thought Stefany did a nice bit of acting here, all things considered. Nice audition. I did catch on that her dialogue was not exactly the same Mother/Daughter dialogue we heard in the Kee audition, which is interesting.
Very nice find brother! Filming is only two months away now! 👍
The healer vs hunter indeed seem to be a thing in this, could be interesting and used in a nice fitting way for a predator movie. Hope they pull it off.
In the prism of confidence and concerns, while I unfortunately personally lost my faith in Producer John Davis and ADI, Dan Trachtenberg and his vision is what's giving me the most hope that he can be ultra focused, guide the people around him, and deliver something really special to the fans. We need a clear vision and someone who knows exactly what they want. And I'm feeling Dan might be that type of guy to deliver. (fingers crossed)
Writer Patrick Aison is the real wildcard to me though. The man has wrote four singular episodes for four singular different shows. He's produced more shows than he's written. And suddenly he's writing a feature film? So is that concerning? Yep. But there has to be a first, right? Every accomplished screenwriter needs to write their first produced screenplay sometime, so I'm trusting in Dan here.
At least with this film, it appears to be more likely it's a standalone entry than Predators and The Predator, and will likely not be setting up any sequels. 🤞
Patrick Aison has a kinda peculiar resumé, I agree. He's the biggest interrogation I have for this film. Second is the fact that ADI could very well be attached to the project.
https://theronin.org/2021/03/30/the-last-of-us-series-from-hbo-expected-to-shoot-in-calgary/
QuoteWe've also learned that 20th Century Studios' Predator 5 aka Skulls is said to be wrapping production in Calgary tomorrow after spending a month filming there (could end up shooting elsewhere). Oddly enough, there hasn't been any actual cast announcements concerning the film that is being directed by Dan Trachtenberg (10 Cloverfield Lane) and it's unclear what they were shooting in Alberta this month.
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https://twitter.com/DannyTRS/status/1376853960070328329
Quote from: Tetsujin on Mar 30, 2021, 02:42:09 PM
https://theronin.org/2021/03/30/the-last-of-us-series-from-hbo-expected-to-shoot-in-calgary/
QuoteWe've also learned that 20th Century Studios' Predator 5 aka Skulls is said to be wrapping production in Calgary tomorrow after spending a month filming there (could end up shooting elsewhere). Oddly enough, there hasn't been any actual cast announcements concerning the film that is being directed by Dan Trachtenberg (10 Cloverfield Lane) and it's unclear what they were shooting in Alberta this month.
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https://twitter.com/DannyTRS/status/1376853960070328329
Nah. Too soon. Casting calls officially occurred in February. This looks like that that website took Dan's tweet and extrapolated it to they're already filming versus being in pre-production.
Too many sources including official industry in these threads are pointing to a May 31st shooting date. Even the Calgary Herald three days ago.
"Projects that have been slated for Calgary include Billy the Kid, a western set to start filming in June. The fifth instalment of the Predator feature-film series, which is operating under the working title Skulls, is set to begin filming May 31."https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/alberta-lifts-per-project-caps-on-film-and-television-industry-aims-to-attract-big-budget-series
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 29, 2021, 10:33:54 PM
Back on topic, thanks to Whos_Nick - kept Vimeo as a resource.
Actress Stefany Mathias posted various audition takes for Aruka (Kee and Taabe's mother); scene is between Aruka and Kee.
Her IMDb page: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0558774/
Intro video:
https://vimeo.com/529058582
Audition:
https://vimeo.com/529173358
https://vimeo.com/529059494
https://vimeo.com/529175860
Thanks for sharing :)
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2021, 09:12:09 AM
The healer vs hunter indeed seem to be a thing in this, could be interesting and used in a nice fitting way for a predator movie. Hope they pull it off.
Reminds me of the 'lover vs fighter' trope. It's a little simplistic, but I can dig it if done well.
I guess I am back to the forum, keeping in touch with Skulls news
Sometimes standalone movies can be great. Fingers crossed for this one. :)
Quote from: ace3g on Mar 29, 2021, 10:33:54 PM
Back on topic, thanks to Whos_Nick - kept Vimeo as a resource.
Actress Stefany Mathias posted various audition takes for Aruka (Kee and Taabe's mother); scene is between Aruka and Kee.
Her IMDb page: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0558774/
Intro video:
https://vimeo.com/529058582
Audition:
https://vimeo.com/529173358
https://vimeo.com/529059494
https://vimeo.com/529175860
She's good, but I'm really paying attention to the lines to get a grasp at the dialogue. I really like it. Obviously this is tailored for the audition, probably, but it gives a solid idea of the dialogue and the tone of the characters
We should start to hear some casting news in April. With production starting in May, I'm sure some of the actors need time to get into shape.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 30, 2021, 01:04:17 PM
In the prism of confidence and concerns, while I unfortunately personally lost my faith in Producer John Davis and ADI, Dan Trachtenberg and his vision is what's giving me the most hope that he can be ultra focused, guide the people around him, and deliver something really special to the fans. We need a clear vision and someone who knows exactly what they want. And I'm feeling Dan might be that type of guy to deliver. (fingers crossed)
Writer Patrick Aison is the real wildcard to me though. The man has wrote four singular episodes for four singular different shows. He's produced more shows than he's written. And suddenly he's writing a feature film? So is that concerning? Yep. But there has to be a first, right? Every accomplished screenwriter needs to write their first produced screenplay sometime, so I'm trusting in Dan here.
At least with this film, it appears to be more likely it's a standalone entry than Predators and The Predator, and will likely not be setting up any sequels. 🤞
If I've learned anything from doing my podcast, it's that more often than not, the vast majority of a writer's work remains unproduced.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Mar 30, 2021, 07:45:42 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 30, 2021, 01:04:17 PM
In the prism of confidence and concerns, while I unfortunately personally lost my faith in Producer John Davis and ADI, Dan Trachtenberg and his vision is what's giving me the most hope that he can be ultra focused, guide the people around him, and deliver something really special to the fans. We need a clear vision and someone who knows exactly what they want. And I'm feeling Dan might be that type of guy to deliver. (fingers crossed)
Writer Patrick Aison is the real wildcard to me though. The man has wrote four singular episodes for four singular different shows. He's produced more shows than he's written. And suddenly he's writing a feature film? So is that concerning? Yep. But there has to be a first, right? Every accomplished screenwriter needs to write their first produced screenplay sometime, so I'm trusting in Dan here.
At least with this film, it appears to be more likely it's a standalone entry than Predators and The Predator, and will likely not be setting up any sequels. 🤞
If I've learned anything from doing my podcast, it's that more often than not, the vast majority of a writer's work remains unproduced.
yep, a writer you see credited for a major film/TV series wasn't the only writer to contribute to the script.
Ugh. I know it's really more the norm these days, but I really hope, especially with this assumingly low budget, there's only one writer i.e. Aison credited for the Skulls script, other than Dan joining in perhaps. I'm a big believer of the whole too many cooks spoil the broth analogy.
What I found strange was Patrick worked on four different shows and only wrote one episode in each of them. It's been my experience that a writer is asked back to do one or two more episodes once they're in the roster pool, unless he's just writing pilots. But to be fair, I haven't done that research yet.
Another website taking credit for our research...
https://www.reelanarchy.com/audition-tapes-for-predator-5-skulls-surface-online/
Published a day after I posted the 2nd audition tape.
Quote from: ace3g on Apr 03, 2021, 03:56:25 AM
Another website taking credit for our research...
https://www.reelanarchy.com/audition-tapes-for-predator-5-skulls-surface-online/
Published a day after I posted the 2nd audition tape.
Well that stinks.
I was apprehensive to put those auditions on our news page myself because these actors are not stars. I didn't want to see either of these ladies chastised for their performances, or perhaps for letting their auditions go public even.
In a semi-related note, I've always have been meaning to tell you ace that you've been amazing updating all these threads (not just this one) with new movie news, etc. and constantly giving this community something to talk about. Mucho appreciation to you! 👏👏👏
I feel bad for these actors. These audition tapes absolutely should not be public and now it's getting posted everywhere. This is going to sting their career prospects - not kill, necessarily, but certainly not help.
Fear not. If they're any good at their craft, the disappointment won't even show.
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 03, 2021, 06:37:06 PM
Fear not. If they're any good at their craft, the disappointment won't even show.
One way, yes, their performance can blow over any criticism thrown at them. Skulls can be that breakthrough for them.
On the other hand, people can stomp on saplings before they can grow into trees and seeing how the internet can spread lies faster than the truth it can be harmful in that way.
Maybe we should keep any audition info and other tidbits like this to a secret just in case we unintentionally mess things up?
It's been 4 days and none of the big boys have picked it up. I think this'll get left alone.
Good to hear it.
For now, and I hope it stays that way. Just worried if they do sniff it out sooner, the possibility of not finding out is not 0% after all.
The DGC updated the production information for Skulls -- The Location Manager is Jason Nolan.
https://www.dgc.ca/assets/Uploads/ProductionList-04082021.pdf
Some of the movies he has worked on
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0634280/
** he was the LM for The Revenant
*** found his IG - https://www.instagram.com/justnolan/
No recent posts
hmmm
https://twitter.com/geno604/status/1381717133436968962
For a moment I thought "Jason Statham is going to play a Predator." Yes I know, quite basic. ;D
Is it supposed to be that huge though ?
I presume the budget will not be huge. How can it not be? No physical or cg sets required with beautiful landscapes of Alberta and mobile Comanche buffalo hide tipis. They're not paying big cast salaries with named talent. ADI isn't pricey comparably. Unless they plan to have vast scenes of hundreds of horseback Comanche warriors, or plan to take Kee back to the Yautja Prime homeworld for a 30 minute finale, I think a lower budget is a given. :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 13, 2021, 01:36:11 PM
ADI isn't pricey comparably.
So you think they'll be back ?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuLE9zCVMAADrvJ.jpg)
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Apr 14, 2021, 03:17:00 AM
Scouting
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNoWdGip6Qa/
Was just about to post this and with Jason Nolan heading the scouting department we should get some great locations like he found for The Revenant.
Quote from: ace3g on Apr 09, 2021, 12:56:35 AM
The DGC updated the production information for Skulls -- The Location Manager is Jason Nolan.
https://www.dgc.ca/assets/Uploads/ProductionList-04082021.pdf
Some of the movies he has worked on
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0634280/
** he was the LM for The Revenant
*** found his IG - https://www.instagram.com/justnolan/
No recent posts
** More scouting photos (This is from Jeff Cutter who was the cinematographer for 10CL, most likely will be cinematographer for Skulls)
Such beautiful scenery. Please make the cinematography great in this film...
I expected more (a lot more) from Larry Fong. He didn't deliver on The Predator.
Yeah The Predator cinematography looked very generic. I liked 10CL cinematography.
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 13, 2021, 09:18:37 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 13, 2021, 01:36:11 PM
ADI isn't pricey comparably.
So you think they'll be back ?
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Yes.
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Quote from: goose_3387 on Apr 14, 2021, 10:12:19 AM
Such beautiful scenery. Please make the cinematography great in this film...
Yessssssss! Even if you have a mediocre script, it's been my experience that great cinematography (and a great score) can really elevate the material! Now get Alan Silvestri back, Dan! :)
Quote from: ace3g on Apr 14, 2021, 03:20:39 AM
** More scouting photos (This is from Jeff Cutter who was the cinematographer for 10CL, most likely will be cinematographer for Skulls)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNnx6QrBdsE/
Nice! Jeff did put a #skullsmovie hashtag in that post so I would say it's confirmed! :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 14, 2021, 02:09:27 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Apr 14, 2021, 03:20:39 AM
** More scouting photos (This is from Jeff Cutter who was the cinematographer for 10CL, most likely will be cinematographer for Skulls)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNnx6QrBdsE/
Nice! Jeff did put a #skullsmovie hashtag in that post so I would say it's confirmed! :)
Yep, When I saw Cutter captioned the post with "scouting! Excited to be in the great outdoors with @dannytrs (aka Dan Trachtenberg the director) I knew I had to post.
Quote from: ace3g on Apr 14, 2021, 06:32:41 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 14, 2021, 02:09:27 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Apr 14, 2021, 03:20:39 AM
** More scouting photos (This is from Jeff Cutter who was the cinematographer for 10CL, most likely will be cinematographer for Skulls)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNnx6QrBdsE/
Nice! Jeff did put a #skullsmovie hashtag in that post so I would say it's confirmed! :)
Yep, When I saw Cutter captioned the post with "scouting! Excited to be in the great outdoors with @dannytrs (aka Dan Trachtenberg the director) I knew I had to post.
Skulls has the potential of really being something beautiful!
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I don't dig the premise of this movie, but the potential for great looking locations is going strong with this one.
I hope they put that scenery to good use! That is frigging gorgeous!
New Predator film "Skulls" Pre-Production & Filming Updates!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/04/15/new-predator-film-skulls-pre-production-filming-updates/
Great! Thanks for heads up guys.
Sweet, I was really disappointed with the last one. I'm looking forward to a hard hitting back to the roots movie. I have read a few books and am a lifetime fan. Saw the original in the dollar theatre. We went back several times.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 15, 2021, 12:14:22 PM
I hope they put that scenery to good use! That is frigging gorgeous!
Again as I mentioned before, with Jason Nolan being the Location Manager for the film who was also the "LM" for The Revenant, I no longer worry about the set locations for this film.
If they decide to use actors with Parkour background again, I hope they better utilize that skill-set with this beautiful terrain.
Indeed!
Quote from: Master on Apr 15, 2021, 06:42:07 PM
Great! Thanks for heads up guys.
And as mentioned in the article, a super thanks also to ace3g and Whos_Nick for the social media scoops! :)
Also in other news predator and predator 2 are making their way to hulu. Big news if u ask me.
Well this could throw a wrench in things
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1382824435904823297
I was wondering what happened on that front, wasn't the rights supposed to revert back to the Thomas brothers last year, or this year? Hope they win big. Good luck.
Alberta, Calgary, Bannf are awesome! Beautiful, great location for a Predator/ Native American story. Never seen soo many Bears. Not really the right setting for the Comanche. They're more of a Southwest, High Planes kinda vibe. We'll see.
Have no faith in John Davis or ADI for this one. Good find guys.
I am looking forward to this not being made at Fox tho
I hope this film can make the whole being hunted and chased thing scary. some fun to watch battle scenes would be nice with the warriors and elders being killed off.
I am looking forward to seeing a chase on horsback. Also a horse would make a good engine for a weapon against a predator if you ran at a predator and clubed him in the head at full speed. I think a teen could kill a predator like that or with a well placed arrow in the eye.
The locations look great.
The Thomas bros must have finally watched The Predator :laugh:
Every predator film since predator 2 has lacked being a good film from start to finish.
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That sounds good, almost too good to be truth. Thomas Brothers should win with this one and win big for all the justice in the world. I`m all for the original creators to have rights to their creation. Just look at George Lucas!!!... No, wait a minute...
If Skulls gets cancelled then I feel for Dan and all the team involved in the process so far (they seem really hyped over it) however the positives being that John Davis and ADI might never be involved with a Predator film again.
Quote from: Master on Apr 16, 2021, 08:46:33 AM
That sounds good, almost too good to be truth. Thomas Brothers should win with this one and win big for all the justice in the world. I`m all for the original creators to have rights to their creation. Just look at George Lucas!!!... No, wait a minute...
Just wait until Ridley Scott gets his hands on Alien again! No, wait a minute....
Well, just wait until James Cameron gets his hands on Terminator again! Then you'll be... No, wait a minute...
;D
I love all those guys, and unabashedly love the Thomas Brothers even more, but something sweet inside these creatives can definitely sour over time, that's for certain. That's the risk.
Now, you tell me the Thomas brothers have unproduced Predator scripts decades old, maybe a full unrealized Predator 3 period-piece script featuring that beloved flintlock on the shelf, perhaps written in 1990 or 1991? Then yes please! By all means! Make that!
It is relevant to note that when the Thomas brothers teased the ending of Predator 2 in 1990 interviews as possibly setting up a third film, they did say that they were (among others) offered a chance to direct Predator 3. So who knows how far they got scriptwise in relation to that potential offer.
Damn this news is a bit of a bummer... After the Disney acquisition of Fox and how terrible The Predator was I assumed we wouldn't see another Predator movie for a long time, then when the Skulls stuff kicked into gear I started getting at least a little optimistic only to have it ripped away again with this news.
Really hope it doesn't get stuck in legal hell like Friday the 13th
I genuinely think if each one of them wanted to bury their respective properties I can respect that, I don't know how the Thomas Bros think, but I can believe James Cameron wants that, and as for Sir Ridley Scott he thinks Alien ought to be big as Star Wars...
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Quote from: Master on Apr 16, 2021, 08:46:33 AMJust look at George Lucas!!!... No, wait a minute...
To be fair, Disney managed to make prequels look good in comparison with their movies.
It is in an embarrassing place right now.
Quote from: TomT on Apr 16, 2021, 03:03:33 PM
To be fair, Disney managed to make prequels look good in comparison with their movies.
Exactly. Although I've always liked the prequels. Sequels were just meh (TLJ is actually the best, if cut forced humor), but The Rise of Skywalker destroyed them to the base. And I'm glad that on their background public opinion about the prequels has grown.
The same will be with Skulls - they will make The Predator just a best film in comparison.
Did Lucasfilm suddenly get control of Predator...?
Quote from: TomT on Apr 16, 2021, 03:03:33 PM
Quote from: Master on Apr 16, 2021, 08:46:33 AMJust look at George Lucas!!!... No, wait a minute...
To be fair, Disney managed to make prequels look good in comparison with their movies.
I was thinking more about Lucas willingly selling his rights to Disney, but hell you are right anyway.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 16, 2021, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: Master on Apr 16, 2021, 08:46:33 AM
That sounds good, almost too good to be truth. Thomas Brothers should win with this one and win big for all the justice in the world. I`m all for the original creators to have rights to their creation. Just look at George Lucas!!!... No, wait a minute...
Just wait until Ridley Scott gets his hands on Alien again! No, wait a minute....
Well, just wait until James Cameron gets his hands on Terminator again! Then you'll be... No, wait a minute...
;D
I love all those guys, and unabashedly love the Thomas Brothers even more, but something sweet inside these creatives can definitely sour over time, that's for certain. That's the risk.
Now, you tell me the Thomas brothers have unproduced Predator scripts decades old, maybe a full unrealized Predator 3 period-piece script featuring that beloved flintlock on the shelf, perhaps written in 1990 or 1991? Then yes please! By all means! Make that!
It is relevant to note that when the Thomas brothers teased the ending of Predator 2 in 1990 interviews as possibly setting up a third film, they did say that they were (among others) offered a chance to direct Predator 3. So who knows how far they got scriptwise in relation to that potential offer.
You are right too Sir.
More hints that Kyle Strauts might be in Skulls, he commented on Trachtenberg's IG post.
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or Predators on horses..watch out! lol
Quote from: andrea on Apr 18, 2021, 02:29:00 AM
or Predators on horses..watch out! lol
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Predators should ALWAYS, be over 7 feet tall! #nomicropredators
What's with the small predator casting? Where are the 7 footers?
Wut ?
I get where they are coming from, the last two actors who portrayed Fugitive and the Emissary Predators are around 6'9. Close but it isn't at the nice 7ft or 7ft+ that really delivers the presence these Predators do on screen. I'm more concerned with the portrayal in this film as the last film didn't make them really all that menacing and imposing like the first two films did. It was too much running away from big scary monster instead of the long burn tension and action of the past films. Even Predators managed to keep some of that feeling alive in its course.
I'm the only one who doesn't think the temporary title so bad. Skull sounds creepy, and I imagine it hints at trophies.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Apr 18, 2021, 07:54:10 PM
I get where they are coming from, the last two actors who portrayed Fugitive and the Emissary Predators are around 6'9. Close but it isn't at the nice 7ft or 7ft+ that really delivers the presence these Predators do on screen. I'm more concerned with the portrayal in this film as the last film didn't make them really all that menacing and imposing like the first two films did. It was too much running away from big scary monster instead of the long burn tension and action of the past films. Even Predators managed to keep some of that feeling alive in its course.
Yes, they don't look so threatening here. In my case, the rampage in the lab looked like an angry consplayer wearing an expensive costume, but not a real alien creature. At least for me.
Quote from: andrea on Apr 18, 2021, 02:29:00 AM
or Predators on horses..watch out! lol
I actually would love to see Predators horseback. Maybe their own steeds they brought with them. Wasn't there a sweet Prime1 statue of something like that?
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 19, 2021, 04:45:42 AM
I'm the only one who doesn't think the temporary title so bad. Skull sounds creepy, and I imagine it hints at trophies.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Apr 18, 2021, 07:54:10 PM
I get where they are coming from, the last two actors who portrayed Fugitive and the Emissary Predators are around 6'9. Close but it isn't at the nice 7ft or 7ft+ that really delivers the presence these Predators do on screen. I'm more concerned with the portrayal in this film as the last film didn't make them really all that menacing and imposing like the first two films did. It was too much running away from big scary monster instead of the long burn tension and action of the past films. Even Predators managed to keep some of that feeling alive in its course.
Yes, they don't look so threatening here. In my case, the rampage in the lab looked like an angry consplayer wearing an expensive costume, but not a real alien creature. At least for me.
Yes ! Thank you ! I've been saying that since the beginning ! And for the title too !
Thirded.
I also understand and hope one day we get another 7 foot plus actor playing a Predator.
It's interesting though. With Kevin Peter Hall, it wasn't just that 7 foot 3 inch height, but that wirey, sinewy, frame of Kevin's too, added with his light gracefully gait that so many dancers typically have. He was just so perfect.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 19, 2021, 08:22:33 AM
Quote from: andrea on Apr 18, 2021, 02:29:00 AM
or Predators on horses..watch out! lol
I actually would love to see Predators horseback. Maybe their own steeds they brought with them. Wasn't there a sweet Prime1 statue of something like that?
The Sideshow one?
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I wouldn't want to see Predators on Earth horses, but a Predator on this type of alien steed would be quite a visual! :o
However, I wouldn't want to stray too far away from "the hunt" though. This would be one of those tread lightly things, at least in film. I know humans have historically been on horseback in fox hunts etc, but that is due to the great speed of the fox, and prey like foxes do not fight back.
And putting a Commanche on horseback versus a Predator on "horseback" just harkens me back to the Falconer versus Hanzo sword fight. The more Predators fight like humans the more it demystifies (to me). So I want to avoid that.
But thats the Predator's whole honor code thing isn't it? If they make Predator's OP then whats the point in watching a film about Aliens who face off against the deadliest of the human species? Why not just give them Thano's guantlet and have them snap their way through things? Thats not a movie i want to see. The whole mystique to Yautja is that their bodies look like men....maybe a little taller....and scalier skin. and when you best them in a fight, they take off their mask and they are ugly as f**k!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 19, 2021, 02:03:51 PM
And putting a Commanche on horseback versus a Predator on "horseback" just harkens me back to the Falconer versus Hanzo sword fight. The more Predators fight like humans the more it demystifies (to me). So I want to avoid that.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 19, 2021, 02:03:51 PM
And putting a Commanche on horseback versus a Predator on "horseback" just harkens me back to the Falconer versus Hanzo sword fight. The more Predators fight like humans the more it demystifies (to me). So I want to avoid that.
A 1000 times this.
Quote from: acrediblesource on Apr 19, 2021, 03:56:11 PM
But thats the Predator's whole honor code thing isn't it? If they make Predator's OP then whats the point in watching a film about Aliens who face off against the deadliest of the human species? Why not just give them Thano's guantlet and have them snap their way through things? Thats not a movie i want to see. The whole mystique to Yautja is that their bodies look like men....maybe a little taller....and scalier skin. and when you best them in a fight, they take off their mask and they are ugly as f**k!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 19, 2021, 02:03:51 PM
And putting a Commanche on horseback versus a Predator on "horseback" just harkens me back to the Falconer versus Hanzo sword fight. The more Predators fight like humans the more it demystifies (to me). So I want to avoid that.
No, I don't want to give Predators Thanos' guantlet. :laugh:
I do love the Mano-a-mano combat, when a Predator finds their lion and bests them in hand-to-hand combat. I guess I'm just not a huge fan of Predators mimicking styles. I admit it somehow works when the Jungle Hunter decides to best Dutch at his own game... fist punching for a brutal minute. But when Hanzo pauses mid-fighting, and the Predator pauses mid-fighting, then Hanzo raises his blade, then the Falconer raises his blade, it just starts feeling very human to me. And a horse battle would go that way for me too (I think).
But give me a Harrigan vs City Hunter melee fight anytime! ;D
After Predator dogs from last one I really don't want Predator horses in this one. Commanche on horseback is cool as f**k, but I want Predator to hunt them their own way.
Yeah agreed.
The original Predator started as overpowered and routinely eliminated his targets from behind, with more advanced weaponry, whilst invisible!
And when Jungle Hunter goes hand to hand with Dutch it's no contest whatsoever.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 19, 2021, 04:29:04 PM
I do love the Mano-a-mano combat, when a Predator finds their lion and bests them in hand-to-hand combat. I guess I'm just not a huge fan of Predators mimicking styles. I admit it somehow works when the Jungle Hunter decides to best Dutch at his own game... fist punching for a brutal minute. But when Hanzo pauses mid-fighting, and the Predator pauses mid-fighting, then Hanzo raises his blade, then the Falconer raises his blade, it just starts feeling very human to me. And a horse battle would go that way for me too (I think).
But give me a Harrigan vs City Hunter melee fight anytime! ;D
I gotta admit my idea about the Hanzo vs Falconer fight is really mixed. For being part of a Bad Blood clan, Falconer did show honor in that fight of letting Hanzo recover from the harder hits he delivered on him which took away from what the three Predators were supposed to portray that their rules and hunting style are different and considered dishonorable from the mainstream clans. At the same time, I do love the obvious nod to samurai fights from old Japanese films which was not only choreographed well, but its also the closest thing I got from a samurai vs Predator fight so I take it with some conflicted feelings.
But agreed, for this upcoming film, I want some brutal and fast tomahawk, spear, warclub fights against wristblades.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 19, 2021, 02:03:51 PM
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I wouldn't want to see Predators on Earth horses, but a Predator on this type of alien steed would be quite a visual! :o
Everybody's a gangsta until a Yautja ride a
Tyranid (https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tyranid).
It was horrible, two grandpas fighting, but one of them actually has an alien costume that makes him move even more awkwardly :laugh:
A predator never looked more like a guy in a suit than here, until The Predator lab scene.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 19, 2021, 07:50:10 PM
And when Jungle Hunter goes hand to hand with Dutch it's no contest whatsoever.
And the Jungle Hunter doesn't let his opponent fall, get back up, catch his breath, like the Falconer does with Hanzo. The Jungle Hunter just brutally demonstrates his dominance!
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Apr 20, 2021, 02:46:31 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 19, 2021, 04:29:04 PM
I do love the Mano-a-mano combat, when a Predator finds their lion and bests them in hand-to-hand combat. I guess I'm just not a huge fan of Predators mimicking styles. I admit it somehow works when the Jungle Hunter decides to best Dutch at his own game... fist punching for a brutal minute. But when Hanzo pauses mid-fighting, and the Predator pauses mid-fighting, then Hanzo raises his blade, then the Falconer raises his blade, it just starts feeling very human to me. And a horse battle would go that way for me too (I think).
But give me a Harrigan vs City Hunter melee fight anytime! ;D
I gotta admit my idea about the Hanzo vs Falconer fight is really mixed. For being part of a Bad Blood clan, Falconer did show honor in that fight of letting Hanzo recover from the harder hits he delivered on him which took away from what the three Predators were supposed to portray that their rules and hunting style are different and considered dishonorable from the mainstream clans. At the same time, I do love the obvious nod to samurai fights from old Japanese films which was not only choreographed well, but its also the closest thing I got from a samurai vs Predator fight so I take it with some conflicted feelings.
I can get that.
QuoteBut agreed, for this upcoming film, I want some brutal and fast tomahawk, spear, warclub fights against wristblades.
Now you're speaking my language! :o
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 20, 2021, 10:18:45 AM
It was horrible, two grandpas fighting, but one of them actually has an alien costume that makes him move even more awkwardly :laugh:
A predator never looked more like a guy in a suit than here, until The Predator lab scene.
Yeah, true.
I do like the look of the Falconer though. It's my favorite Super Predator out of the bunch! And my headcanon still is the Falconer is a female Predator (until we see one clearly depicted on screen!) ;D
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Mirrored combat technique makes for a better sport possibly?
Jungle Hunter & Dutch = guerilla type warfare
City Hunter & Harrigan = gangster fights
Falconer & Hanzo = samurai style
Not all of them exhibit this behavior, however many seem to highlight a pattern.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Apr 22, 2021, 12:08:03 PM
Mirrored combat technique makes for a better sport possibly?
Jungle Hunter & Dutch = guerilla type warfare
City Hunter & Harrigan = gangster fights
Falconer & Hanzo = samurai style
Not all of them exhibit this behavior, however many seem to highlight a pattern.
Hmm. Interesting perspective AA!
To me, I don't really see most of this as Predators mirroring styles of combat in Predator and Predator 2, but rather just situational to their environment, their prey and a dash of personality. :)
For instance, in Predator 87, for what we see on screen, I don't believe overall that we see from Dutch's team
or their enemy combatants is anything that really equates much to guerilla warfare. The Jungle Hunter's assassinate & move tactic, this
strike - retreat - strike again isn't any emulation that I can see, but rather just a case of the Jungle Hunter not being able to match them as a whole, all at once, especially with those weapons! It also seems to be a hunting tactic used again in Predator 2.
In Predator 2, the City Hunter was much more brash. Granted, he was hunting prey with lesser weapons mostly (at least with the cops, and maybe Goldtooth's gang, but El Scorpio's buddies were armed to the max - but closed quarters certainly didn't help the Columbians.) But I digress. You can't do much
strike - retreat - strike again in a Subway that cocky bastard, but the City Hunter did use some of that assassinate & move tactic both in the Penthouse and the Slaughterhouse, but just at a faster pace. And like the Jungle Hunter, it also surveyed, stalked, and waited to strike, which none of it correlated (at least to me) with gangster fights. :)
Lets not forget that in Predators, it was mentioned that they were practicing this hunting style of abducing prey from various worlds and dump them into their planet game preserve for hundreds of years now, that they pick up new tactics and gear as they go along with every encounter. It seems to me that perhaps Falconer was the one who took down a samurai and was impressed with the samurai's skill that he incorporated it into his own fighting style. Hence why he was a bit merciful to Hanzo in his last fight, not only to make it last longer but also perhaps when you are that skilled and honorable that even an dishonorable alien warrior respected and adapted that kind of nobility down the line against future opponents.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Apr 22, 2021, 06:23:49 PM
Lets not forget that in Predators, it was mentioned that they were practicing this hunting style of abducing prey from various worlds and dump them into their planet game preserve for hundreds of years now, that they pick up new tactics and gear as they go along with every encounter.
I don't think this is quite right, and it was more ambiguous than that. Also it was about the Super Predators, not the Predators.
But Noland said every once in a while when one them got killed by their prey, they get real interested, and they learn quick, adapt, develop a whole new set of skills, armor, weapons or tactics change. Which doesn't really necessarily indicate the Super Predators are copying the prey's fighting styles that killed them, but it just indicates the Super Predators change their ways, so it doesn't happen again. The Super Predators adapt for a particular tactic, strategy, or weapon that the dropped prey used to kill one of them with.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 22, 2021, 07:15:35 PM
But Noland said every once in a while when one them got killed by their prey, they get real interested, and they learn quick, adapt, develop a whole new set of skills, armor, weapons or tactics change. Which doesn't really necessarily indicate the Super Predators are copying the prey's fighting styles that killed them, but it just indicates the Super Predators change their ways, so it doesn't happen again. The Super Predators adapt for a particular tactic, strategy, or weapon that the dropped prey used to kill one of them with.
I love this kind of scope for the Predator lore, clearly presenting another culture apart from the classic Predator. A subspecies that learns from its hunting mistakes. Something like a study of the prey in order to make hunting engineering. There was potential here to expand the mythos for sure.
Yeah the adaptive Predators.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 22, 2021, 07:15:35 PM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Apr 22, 2021, 06:23:49 PM
Lets not forget that in Predators, it was mentioned that they were practicing this hunting style of abducing prey from various worlds and dump them into their planet game preserve for hundreds of years now, that they pick up new tactics and gear as they go along with every encounter.
I don't think this is quite right, and it was more ambiguous than that. Also it was about the Super Predators, not the Predators.
But Noland said every once in a while when one them got killed by their prey, they get real interested, and they learn quick, adapt, develop a whole new set of skills, armor, weapons or tactics change. Which doesn't really necessarily indicate the Super Predators are copying the prey's fighting styles that killed them, but it just indicates the Super Predators change their ways, so it doesn't happen again. The Super Predators adapt for a particular tactic, strategy, or weapon that the dropped prey used to kill one of them with.
This makes a better case than mirroring, for sure. There could even be a human hunting season on the Predators hunting planet, possibly a season for other prey as well. Coming to Earth to hunt man like a redneck after a big buck, maybe City Hunter and Jungle Hunter were just on holiday.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Apr 23, 2021, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 22, 2021, 07:15:35 PM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Apr 22, 2021, 06:23:49 PM
Lets not forget that in Predators, it was mentioned that they were practicing this hunting style of abducing prey from various worlds and dump them into their planet game preserve for hundreds of years now, that they pick up new tactics and gear as they go along with every encounter.
I don't think this is quite right, and it was more ambiguous than that. Also it was about the Super Predators, not the Predators.
But Noland said every once in a while when one them got killed by their prey, they get real interested, and they learn quick, adapt, develop a whole new set of skills, armor, weapons or tactics change. Which doesn't really necessarily indicate the Super Predators are copying the prey's fighting styles that killed them, but it just indicates the Super Predators change their ways, so it doesn't happen again. The Super Predators adapt for a particular tactic, strategy, or weapon that the dropped prey used to kill one of them with.
This makes a better case than mirroring, for sure. There could even be a human hunting season on the Predators hunting planet, possibly a season for other prey as well. Coming to Earth to hunt man like a redneck after a big buck, maybe City Hunter and Jungle Hunter were just on holiday.
Perhaps! :)
~ He's in town with a few days to kill! ~
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 22, 2021, 07:15:35 PM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Apr 22, 2021, 06:23:49 PM
Lets not forget that in Predators, it was mentioned that they were practicing this hunting style of abducing prey from various worlds and dump them into their planet game preserve for hundreds of years now, that they pick up new tactics and gear as they go along with every encounter.
I don't think this is quite right, and it was more ambiguous than that. Also it was about the Super Predators, not the Predators.
Yeah, I thought it was clear I was talking about the Super Predators, hence why I mentioned Falconer. Oh well.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 22, 2021, 07:15:35 PM
But Noland said every once in a while when one them got killed by their prey, they get real interested, and they learn quick, adapt, develop a whole new set of skills, armor, weapons or tactics change. Which doesn't really necessarily indicate the Super Predators are copying the prey's fighting styles that killed them, but it just indicates the Super Predators change their ways, so it doesn't happen again. The Super Predators adapt for a particular tactic, strategy, or weapon that the dropped prey used to kill one of them with.
While it doesn't necessarily indicate copying their prey's fighting style, I don't think it leaves the possibility off the table either. After all, in war times, you see many nations/tribes/kingdoms/ect adopt tactics, technology, and weaponry from their enemies if its useful enough. Who's to say one of the Supers didn't saw something that inspired them to try out themselves? It just makes them more resourceful and that much deadlier.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Apr 23, 2021, 01:31:37 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 22, 2021, 07:15:35 PM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Apr 22, 2021, 06:23:49 PM
Lets not forget that in Predators, it was mentioned that they were practicing this hunting style of abducing prey from various worlds and dump them into their planet game preserve for hundreds of years now, that they pick up new tactics and gear as they go along with every encounter.
I don't think this is quite right, and it was more ambiguous than that. Also it was about the Super Predators, not the Predators.
Yeah, I thought it was clear I was talking about the Super Predators, hence why I mentioned Falconer. Oh well.
Sorry about that! Alice brought up Predator, Predator 2, and Predators and I was just trying to make the distinction that Super Predator behavior in Predators doesn't necessarily apply to Predators, well, at least without some sort of caveat. :)
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Apr 23, 2021, 01:31:37 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 22, 2021, 07:15:35 PM
But Noland said every once in a while when one them got killed by their prey, they get real interested, and they learn quick, adapt, develop a whole new set of skills, armor, weapons or tactics change. Which doesn't really necessarily indicate the Super Predators are copying the prey's fighting styles that killed them, but it just indicates the Super Predators change their ways, so it doesn't happen again. The Super Predators adapt for a particular tactic, strategy, or weapon that the dropped prey used to kill one of them with.
While it doesn't necessarily indicate copying their prey's fighting style, I don't think it leaves the possibility off the table either. After all, in war times, you see many nations/tribes/kingdoms/ect adopt tactics, technology, and weaponry from their enemies if its useful enough. Who's to say one of the Supers didn't saw something that inspired them to try out themselves? It just makes them more resourceful and that much deadlier.
Yep, I see your point and that's absolutely fair. When it's ambiguous, I don't think either thought is incorrect or even a mixture of the two.
This is probably a bad example, so I'm not trying to be facetious here, but say one of the dropped prey is skilled with a Jedi Lightsaber that strikes down a Super Predator quite easily. A Super Predator can A) develop his own lightsaber, train and counter him... or B) a Super Predator can develop some sort of EMP proximity weapon to neutralize the lightsaber. Ultimately, it's up to the fan and how their likes and dislikes shape their thoughts, to decide how it goes down. Ambiguity in fandom is fun that way. :)
One of Strauts' IG stories today
(https://instagram.fyxe3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p640x640/178195161_286015606343700_2303357827775472402_n.jpg?tp=1&_nc_ht=instagram.fyxe3-1.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=100&_nc_ohc=gwfsC7VSmSIAX-GBpoU&edm=AHlfZHwAAAAA&ccb=7-4&oh=584ec95358f831d7f6296dea59ab5385&oe=608730DF&_nc_sid=21929d&ig_cache_key=MjU1OTE3Mjk0ODk5NTkzMzczNw%3D%3D.2-ccb7-4)
(https://instagram.fyxe3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p640x640/175689451_2812204979031668_5480949674089069883_n.jpg?tp=1&_nc_ht=instagram.fyxe3-1.fna.fbcdn.net&_nc_cat=108&_nc_ohc=fyo01fWt9b4AX_2sr2Z&edm=AHlfZHwAAAAA&ccb=7-4&oh=50798bf0132ad08397b919e191e81a36&oe=6086F3CE&_nc_sid=21929d&ig_cache_key=MjU1OTE3MzI1MzU2MTA4ODY0MQ%3D%3D.2-ccb7-4)
Nice ace!
Getting some good source material there 8)
I can't see anything.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2021, 10:05:39 PM
I can't see anything.
The site I got the IG story from only hosts the images for a few days. Here is the pic.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez7647jXoAAz99C?format=jpg&name=large)
Will the Predator have some wicked awesome bo staff skills in this one?
https://twitter.com/ace3g/status/1386822407701336067
Quote from: ace3g on Apr 26, 2021, 11:18:10 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2021, 10:05:39 PM
I can't see anything.
The site I got the IG story from only hosts the images for a few days. Here is the pic.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez7647jXoAAz99C?format=jpg&name=large)
Will the Predator have some wicked awesome bo staff skills in this one?
https://twitter.com/ace3g/status/1386822407701336067
Thank you :) is that Kyle Strauts? impressive! 8)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2021, 11:34:58 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Apr 26, 2021, 11:18:10 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2021, 10:05:39 PM
I can't see anything.
The site I got the IG story from only hosts the images for a few days. Here is the pic.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez7647jXoAAz99C?format=jpg&name=large)
Will the Predator have some wicked awesome bo staff skills in this one?
https://twitter.com/ace3g/status/1386822407701336067
Thank you :) is that Kyle Strauts? impressive! 8)
Yeah, those are all from Kyle's IG stories.
Quote from: ace3g on Apr 26, 2021, 11:36:15 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2021, 11:34:58 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Apr 26, 2021, 11:18:10 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2021, 10:05:39 PM
I can't see anything.
The site I got the IG story from only hosts the images for a few days. Here is the pic.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ez7647jXoAAz99C?format=jpg&name=large)
Will the Predator have some wicked awesome bo staff skills in this one?
https://twitter.com/ace3g/status/1386822407701336067
Thank you :) is that Kyle Strauts? impressive! 8)
Yeah, those are all from Kyle's IG stories.
Woah :o I'm going to follow him right now.
Skulls IMDb page updated some of the crew listings:
Production Design by
Kara Lindstrom
**Here is Kara's IG: https://www.instagram.com/karaninalindstrom/ and some of her recent posts
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMDtfvIBV8t/
Quote
Scouting. Alberta.
Casting By
Rene Haynes
**This makes sense now because I noticed a lot of her IMDb work was for movies with Native Americans.
QuoteRENE HAYNES – Casting Director, is a two-time Emmy Nominee for the TNT/DreamWorks mini-series "Into the West" and the HBO feature "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee", for which she also received the Artios Award for excellence in casting. She is recognized in the entertainment industry as one of the foremost experts in Native American and First Nations casting and consults on many projects, both domestic and foreign.
http://santafefilmfestival.com/index/highlights/panelists/rene-haynes-csa/
***Just found this FB post:
Laurie Oulette
Tsuut'ina Communications
Looking for Horse riders Men ages 20 to 35, In Calgary, Covid test April 26 and April 30 audition, ibm for more info, send pictures and resume to laurieoulette@yahoo.ca I am just helping share the word, middle person.SKULLS
Feature Film
20th Century Studios
SAG-AFTRA
Director: Daniel Trachtenberg
Producer(s): John Davis, Jhane Myers
Writer: Patrick Aison
Casting Director: Rene Haynes
Casting Associate: Elise Buedel
Casting Assistant: Malia Hoff
Start Date: Mid-May 2021
Location: Calgary
https://www.facebook.com/ttncommunications145/posts/3911706992210890?__cft__[0]=AZWExSTsKVZL32t3c0FMGSwcblBAS7Aofp3Wm5XfKWJFK4HewdeUujXzjPpWWpfXV7vTCQQORtRT3pMzFxF2TCrwGa4wuslU_KM7lP8OMRdkS3gitOWE1VwX1h54oExZXX8&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R
Editorial Department
Marigna Bright ... Senior Producer: dailies
The staff thing is cool, but careful how you portray it in the movie, if it's an actual predator that does it. That's the risk with this creature, the more you show it do things the more it can look like a guy in a suit. But it also could be cool if done wisely, not showing too much.
Damn ace3g you're rocking it! Thanks for posting this great stuff!
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 27, 2021, 09:15:33 AM
The staff thing is cool, but careful how you portray it in the movie, if it's an actual predator that does it. That's the risk with this creature, the more you show it do things the more it can look like a guy in a suit. But it also could be cool if done wisely, not showing too much.
I absolutely agree.
But I wonder if this is just workout training though / showing his skills on Instagram. Meaning, doing this in a hoodie and sweats is one thing, but doing this in a Skulls' Predator ADI suit is probably a whole other matter.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 27, 2021, 01:50:28 PM
Damn ace3g you're rocking it! Thanks for posting this great stuff!
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 27, 2021, 09:15:33 AM
The staff thing is cool, but careful how you portray it in the movie, if it's an actual predator that does it. That's the risk with this creature, the more you show it do things the more it can look like a guy in a suit. But it also could be cool if done wisely, not showing too much.
I absolutely agree.
But I wonder if this is just workout training though / showing his skills on Instagram. Meaning, doing this in a hoodie and sweats is one thing, but doing this in a Skulls' Predator ADI suit is probably a whole other matter.
Yep I still have PTSD after the Hanzo-Falconer sword fight :laugh:
Consider yourself lucky! Try imaging the original Pred design fighting Hanzo! :laugh:
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LividGrandioseAustraliancurlew-max-1mb.gif)
:laugh:
They seem to be all set to go. Imagine if they pull the rug from underneath production and cancel it still...
Quote from: goose_3387 on Apr 28, 2021, 11:59:07 AM
They seem to be all set to go. Imagine if they pull the rug from underneath production and cancel it still...
They're taking advantage of what time they do have in case things go their way. Las thing they want is to push production date as they have a specific window in Calgary to shoot.
HOWEVER, the likelihood that it's canceled is very strong. :(
Well, Skulls I have the most optimism for survival above all other content like the comics, books, and games. In the Thomas Brothers complaint, Jim & John claim they are entitled to a preliminary injunction (a full stop) on any new Predator works after April 17, 2021.
The optimism I have is because...
- Skulls pre-production began March 18th 2021. Development began years before.
- We learned casting for Skulls actually started early 2020, but then covid happened. It wasn't like Disney was just outright waiting to the last minute to begin production on Skulls.
So even if the Judge considers the first termination notice sent by the Thomas Brothers as valid (even with the errors), one can at least reasonably argue that Skulls shouldn't be considered as a post April 17th new Predator work. Now we'll have to see how the law and legal precedent applies, but it at least appears like such a case can be made.
As I posted on another thread, we
really need to know how this copyright termination law applies to projects that have already started but not finished post a copyright termination date. That's the real question I think. 🤔
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 28, 2021, 12:57:20 PM
Well, Skulls I have the most optimism for survival above all other content like the comics, books, and games. In the Thomas Brothers complaint, Jim & John claim they are entitled to a preliminary injunction (a full stop) on any new Predator works after April 17, 2021.
The optimism I have is because...
- Skulls pre-production began March 18th 2021. Development began years before.
- We learned casting for Skulls actually started early 2020, but then covid happened. It wasn't like Disney was just outright waiting to the last minute to begin production on Skulls.
So even if the Judge considers the first termination notice sent by the Thomas Brothers as valid (even with the errors), one can at least reasonably argue that Skulls shouldn't be considered as a post April 17th new Predator work. Now we'll have to see how the law and legal precedent applies, but it at least appears like such a case can be made.
As I posted on another thread, we really need to know how this copyright termination law applies to projects that have already started but not finished post a copyright termination date. That's the real question I think. 🤔
I'm really wanting to be optimistic about this as well, but I suppose it boils down to the written law and how the judge interprets that.
I want to believe that SKULLS would be considered an older work as pre-production began before April 17th, but the possibility it could still be canceled simply because the real filming hasn't begun might be what the judge looks at.
Fingers crossed the judge doesn't consider SKULLS part of an injunction.
Best I can get is these, hope any of this helps;
Under § 203, any grant of rights in a copyrighted work executed by the author on or after January 1, 1978 may be terminated at any time during a five-year window beginning 35 years after the date of publication of the work under the grant, or 40 years after the date of execution of the grant, whichever term ends earlier. This termination right may not be waived, even by agreement, and only applies to grants executed by the author of the work. That means that termination rights are inapplicable to "works made for hire" since those works are deemed owned by the employer as the legal "author" rather than by means of a grant.
Section 203 does not prohibit the continued exploitation of derivative works created under the initial grant before its termination. Therefore, after termination, the original grantee would not be able to continue publishing the licensed work in its original form; but, any third-party that received a license for a derivative work, i.e. an adaptation, may continue to utilize the work under the original terms of the grant. For example, a film with music in it may continue to exploit the music.
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Effect of Termination. Section 203(b) makes clear that, unless effectively terminated within the applicable 5-year period, all rights covered by an existing grant will continue unchanged, and that rights under other Federal, State, or foreign laws are unaffected. However, assuming that a copyright transfer or license is terminated under section 203, who are bound by the termination and how are they affected? Under the bill, termination means that ownership of the rights covered by the terminated grant reverts to everyone who owns termination interests on the date the notice of termination was served, whether they joined in signing the notice or not. In other words, if a person could have signed the notice, that person is bound by the action of the majority who did; the termination of the grant will be effective as to that person, and a proportionate share of the reverted rights automatically vests in that person. Ownership is divided proportionately on the same per stirpes basis as that provided for the right to effect termination under section 203(a) and, since the reverted rights vest on the date notice is served, the heirs of a dead beneficiary would inherit his or her share. Under clause (3) of subsection (b), majority action is required to make a further grant of reverted rights. A problem here, of course, is that years may have passed between the time the reverted rights vested and the time the new owners want to make a further transfer; people may have died and children may have been born in the interim. To deal with this problem, the bill looks back to the date of vesting; out of the group in whom rights vested on that date, it requires the further transfer or license to be signed by "the same number and proportion of the owners" (though not necessarily the same individuals) as were then required to terminate the grant under subsection (a). If some of those in whom the rights originally vested have died, their "legal representatives, legatees, or heirs at law" may represent them for this purpose and, as in the case of the termination itself, any one of the minority who does not join in the further grant is nevertheless bound by it. An important limitation on the rights of a copyright owner under a terminated grant is specified in section 203(b)(1). This clause provides that, notwithstanding a termination, a derivative work prepared earlier may "continue to be utilized" under the conditions of the terminated grant; the clause adds, however, that this privilege is not broad enough to permit the preparation of other derivative works. In other words, a film made from a play could continue to be licensed for performance after the motion picture contract had been terminated but any remake rights covered by the contract would be cut off. For this purpose, a motion picture would be considered as a "derivative work" with respect to every "preexisting work" incorporated in it, whether the preexisting work was created independently or was prepared expressly for the motion picture. Section 203 would not prevent the parties to a transfer or license from voluntarily agreeing at any time to terminate an existing grant and negotiating a new one, thereby causing another 35-year period to start running. However, the bill seeks to avoid the situation that has arisen under the present renewal provision, in which third parties have bought up contingent future interests as a form of speculation. Section 203(b)(4) would make a further grant of rights that revert under a terminated grant valid "only if it is made after the effective date of the termination." An exception, in the nature of a right of "first refusal," would permit the original grantee or a successor of such grantee to negotiate a new agreement with the persons effecting the termination at any time after the notice of termination has been served. Nothing contained in this section or elsewhere in this legislation is intended to extend the duration of any license, transfer or assignment made for a period of less than thirty-five years. If, for example, an agreement provides an earlier termination date or lesser duration, or if it allows the author the right of cancelling or terminating the agreement under certain circumstances, the duration is governed by the agreement. Likewise, nothing in this section or legislation is intended to change the existing state of the law of contracts concerning the circumstances in which an author may cancel or terminate a license, transfer, or assignment. Section 203(b)(6) provides that, unless and until termination is effected under this section, the grant, "if it does not provide otherwise," continues for the term of copyright. This section means that, if the agreement does not contain provisions specifying its term or duration, and the author has not terminated the agreement under this section, the agreement continues for the term of the copyright, subject to any right of termination under circumstances which may be specified therein. If, however, an agreement does contain provisions governing its duration—for example, a term of fifty years—and the author has not exercised his or her right of termination under the statute, the agreement will continue according to its terms—in this example, for only fifty years. The quoted language is not to be construed as requiring agreements to reserve the right of termination.
^ Thanks S.I. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to address that gray area of starting a new Predator work - but not finishing it - prior to termination date.
To be honest, the more I read, I'm starting to believe there is no gray area, because that can create a slippery slope. Meaning, what will stop a studio (who's losing a franchise US copyright) from putting a half-dozen movies in development, prior to termination, which all can be argued were started prior to termination date even if their production is staggered.
I'm starting to believe it's either a pre-existing Predator work, or it's not, and this whole case rides on if the Judge rules the first two termination notices are invalid due to errors.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 29, 2021, 12:45:12 PM
^ Thanks S.I. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to address that gray area of starting a new Predator work - but not finishing it - prior to termination date.
To be honest, the more I read, I'm starting to believe there is no gray area, because that can create a slippery slope. Meaning, what will stop a studio (who's losing a franchise US copyright) from putting a half-dozen movies in development, prior to termination, which all can be argued were started prior to termination date even if their production is staggered.
I'm starting to believe it's either a pre-existing Predator work, or it's not, and this whole case rides on if the Judge rules the first two termination notices are invalid due to errors.
Honestly, the more time goes by the less confident I feel about SKULLS continuing production.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 29, 2021, 12:45:12 PM
^ Thanks S.I. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to address that gray area of starting a new Predator work - but not finishing it - prior to termination date.
To be honest, the more I read, I'm starting to believe there is no gray area, because that can create a slippery slope. Meaning, what will stop a studio (who's losing a franchise US copyright) from putting a half-dozen movies in development, prior to termination, which all can be argued were started prior to termination date even if their production is staggered.
I'm starting to believe it's either a pre-existing Predator work, or it's not, and this whole case rides on if the Judge rules the first two termination notices are invalid due to errors.
I would imagine that since significant work has already gone into Skulls (casting, location scouting, etc), that it might be counted as a work which has begun production prior to the date.
If something had been announced but no work had been started, then that might be different, but I would guess Skulls will be OK. Maybe.
A film isn't a film until it's completed, legally speaking. A script is not a movie. Raw footage isn't a movie. Since the movie isn't in the can, it wouldn't count as an existing exploitation.
That said, the trick or being a lawyer isn't knowing the law, but how to interpret and apply it. But setting a precedent that a work in progress is legally the same as a completed work would cause so many problems for film contracts, rights, etc and I don't think Disney wants to go down that road
Quote from: SiL on Apr 29, 2021, 08:49:05 PM
A film isn't a film until it's completed, legally speaking. A script is not a movie. Raw footage isn't a movie. Since the movie isn't in the can, it wouldn't count as an existing exploitation.
That said, the trick or being a lawyer isn't knowing the law, but how to interpret and apply it. But setting a precedent that a work in progress is legally the same as a completed work would cause so many problems for film contracts, rights, etc and I don't think Disney wants to go down that road
Hmm, I (am obviously not a lawyer, but) interpreted what I'd read as that no new works could be started without the consent of the Thomas brothers (subject to whenever they regain the rights), not that the work had to be completed prior to them regaining the rights.
I could be totally wrong, but since Disney had been informed of the Thomas bros' intentions beforehand, and obviously knew that they would lose the rights at some point, I figure they only let it get this far along because they knew they'd be able to finish it. Clearly they're fighting it, legally, as Disney always does, but from a money making position, it doesn't make sense to start something that you can't finish.
They can only sell existing exploitations. The film doesn't exist yet, so they can't finish making it if the rights revert. That would be exploiting the license after it's expired.
They only acknowledged it in January; it's possible, if unlikely, that the notice was forgotten in the shuffle.
Latest crew update per IMDb.
Second Unit Director or Assistant Director
Richard Cowan ... first assistant director
**Currently can't find any social media account for him.
Some of his recent work.
The Adam Project (first assistant director: second unit) (post-production)
2020 Superintelligence (first assistant director)
2020 The Christmas Chronicles: Part Two (first assistant director)
2019 Let It Snow (first assistant director)
2018 The Predator (aerial director) / (first assistant director: additional photography)
2018 Altered Carbon (TV Series) (first assistant director - 5 episodes)
- Clash by Night (2018) ... (first assistant director)
- The Wrong Man (2018) ... (first assistant director)
- Nora Inu (2018) ... (first assistant director)
- Fallen Angel (2018) ... (first assistant director)
- In a Lonely Place (2018) ... (first assistant director)
2017/I It (first assistant director)
2015 Get Hard (first assistant director)
2015 Fifty Shades of Grey (first assistant director - additional photography)
2014 The Loft (first assistant director)
2014 Into the Storm (first assistant director)
2014 Step Up All In (first assistant director)
2013 Words and Pictures (first assistant director)
2013 Man of Steel (assistant director: helicopter unit, Canada - uncredited)
2013 Bates Motel (TV Series) (first assistant director - 3 episodes)
- The Man in Number 9 (2013) ... (first assistant director)
- Ocean View (2013) ... (first assistant director)
- What's Wrong with Norman (2013) ... (first assistant director)
2012 Midnight Sun (TV Movie) (first assistant director)
2012 So Undercover (first assistant director)
2011 The Cabin in the Woods (first assistant director)
1st ADs aren't known for their robust social media presences.
I wish they did though.
"Here I am scheduling the f**k out of a script!"
"Here I am making the crew hate me by trying to keep this shit-show on schedule!"
"Here I am crying in the bathroom after the director refuses to move the f**k on from this one shot!"
Quote from: SiL on Apr 30, 2021, 06:49:22 AM
1st ADs aren't known for their robust social media presences.
I wish they did though.
"Here I am scheduling the f**k out of a script!"
"Here I am making the crew hate me by trying to keep this shit-show on schedule!"
"Here I am crying in the bathroom after the director refuses to move the f**k on from this one shot!"
:laugh:
Per IMDb, Skulls now has a Prop Master
Art Department
James Rosenthal ... property master
Some of his recent work
Skulls (property master) (pre-production)
Outer Range (TV Series) (property master - 1 episode) (filming)
- Episode #1.1 ... (property master)
2020 Godmothered (property master)
2020 Paradise Lost (TV Series) (property master)
2020 The Glorias (Armorer) / (property master)
2016-2018 Preacher (TV Series) (property master - 33 episodes)
- The Light Above (2018) ... (property master)
- Schwanzkopf (2018) ... (property master)
- The Tom/Brady (2018) ... (property master)
- Hilter (2018) ... (property master)
- Les Enfants du Sang (2018) ... (property master)
Show all 33 episodes
2018 The First Purge (property master)
2017 Same Kind of Different as Me (property master)
2016-2017 Underground (TV Series) (property master - 20 episodes)
- Soldier (2017) ... (property master)
- Citizen (2017) ... (property master)
- Auld Acquaintance (2017) ... (property master)
- 28 (2017) ... (property master)
- Minty (2017) ... (property master)
Show all 20 episodes
2017 Megan Leavey (property master)
2016 Max Steel (property master)
2016 Warrior Road (property master)
2014 Identity (TV Movie) (assistant property master)
2013-2014 Sleepy Hollow (TV Series) (assistant property master - 11 episodes)
- Bad Blood (2014) ... (assistant property master)
- The Indispensable Man (2014) ... (assistant property master)
- The Vessel (2014) ... (assistant property master - uncredited)
- The Golem (2013) ... (assistant property master - uncredited)
- Sanctuary (2013) ... (assistant property master - uncredited)
New scouting locations from Production Designer @karaninalindstrom 1 day ago at Alberta, Canada
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This was from Kyle Strauts IG story 1 hour ago. Anyone recognize the creature designs? If so, we might know what creature effects company is working on the film.
(https://cdn1.smihub.com/view?q=%3D%3DANtcjYjNWLy4CRzUCRzUyZOdXRU9EMrR1T1MGVPNTVq5kejRlTyUlaN1Telt2Xlh2YhN2XnlmJ5UWYzQjN9QWaz91Yu9lJ5ETRwMTOwYTPl9mJ2EGZmhDO4kjNldzM0ImZ0QjNzYGNxIzMzkDOiRWZkZTPo9mJ00yN9I2YjZSQBFUQCd2aGZ3QMFUPtRWZmE2YGN0S5gVQvJXNxckbxg1Mt8VPjh2bfNmbfZCOwETP0F2YfNmbfZSbvNmLtFmcnFGdz5WauR2YuETLzwWZo1CduVGdu92Yz1Ddo91Yu9lJx0Dc09zZwpmLu9VNyYjNzcDN5kDM0cTM5ETMxQzMfRDN5ATO5EzM4IzN5YTM0EzXzYjMwYzMygTMvATN3gHM1cDcvUzMl9COw4CMoN3L1ETL1gDOy4SM1Q3L29SbvNmLtFmcnFGdz5WauR2YuETLzwWZo1CduVGdu92Yz9yL6MHc0RHa)
Quote from: ace3g on May 03, 2021, 08:54:47 PM
This was from Kyle Strauts IG story 1 hour ago. Anyone recognize the creature designs? If so, we might know what creature effects company is working on the film.
(https://cdn1.smihub.com/view?q=%3D%3DANtcjYjNWLy4CRzUCRzUyZOdXRU9EMrR1T1MGVPNTVq5kejRlTyUlaN1Telt2Xlh2YhN2XnlmJ5UWYzQjN9QWaz91Yu9lJ5ETRwMTOwYTPl9mJ2EGZmhDO4kjNldzM0ImZ0QjNzYGNxIzMzkDOiRWZkZTPo9mJ00yN9I2YjZSQBFUQCd2aGZ3QMFUPtRWZmE2YGN0S5gVQvJXNxckbxg1Mt8VPjh2bfNmbfZCOwETP0F2YfNmbfZSbvNmLtFmcnFGdz5WauR2YuETLzwWZo1CduVGdu92Yz1Ddo91Yu9lJx0Dc09zZwpmLu9VNyYjNzcDN5kDM0cTM5ETMxQzMfRDN5ATO5EzM4IzN5YTM0EzXzYjMwYzMygTMvATN3gHM1cDcvUzMl9COw4CMoN3L1ETL1gDOy4SM1Q3L29SbvNmLtFmcnFGdz5WauR2YuETLzwWZo1CduVGdu92Yz9yL6MHc0RHa)
Yeah, I don't recognize the Alien at first glance, but I'm pretty certain that wolf is one of those (in my opinion) cringey animatronic wolves that StudioADI created for the werewolf movie "Wolf" starring Jack Nicholson.
(https://i.ibb.co/BGbJH0V/e03ea758ea5d414cbe48bd1488bb91e6.gif)
I compare this to something like Rob Bottin's animatronic dog puppet in The Thing, and it just makes me realize how (in my eyes) some of ADI's work really pales in comparison. :-\
Is it gonna be another dark period for us detractors of ADI's preds ? Hmm I'm afraid so... :'(
Ugh ADI again then? f**king... great...
It already felt like a certainty a month ago, so at this point I'm all out of tears. :laugh:
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 04, 2021, 01:20:42 PM
Is it gonna be another dark period for us detractors of ADI's preds ? Hmm I'm afraid so... :'(
Yep. It would seem that way. :-\
I'm holding out hope that somehow StudioADI makes a wonderful Predator in Skulls though, I really do. Because we all win then, including them.
But for now I'm just hoping the Predator stays camouflaged and masked for the majority of the film, because ADI Predators like Wolf can look pretty cool when masked.
I'm rooting for Predator performer Kyle too, but I do wish he was taller!
I hope Dan Trachtenberg's demanding then.
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 04, 2021, 01:36:10 PM
I hope Dan Trachenberg's demanding then.
You and me both! With a clear, uncompromising vision! 🤞
Damn, that is a huge blow.
It's times like these I pray to god Ridley is part of the Alien TV series. The fact the prequels creature effects were handled by different companies was such a relief (presumably Ridley had a huge say in that).
I don't know how they've got this gig after three questionable-at-best stints with Predator :(
If it turns out as awful looking as prior entries I might just go mad honestly. https://youtu.be/UReBmeVhg2I
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 04, 2021, 01:33:18 PM
But for now I'm just hoping the Predator stays camouflaged and masked for the majority of the film, because ADI Predators like Wolf can look pretty cool when masked.
That's exactly what I'm thinking right now. And if well shot, it can be actually really good. That's a lot to wish for though I'm afraid.
I'm crossing my fingers.
So I'm guessing ADI's involvement is all but confirmed. Good sleuthing guys. Given the light of the recent lawsuit, help me out, why are we looking forward to this? Native American angle is great but everything else sounds terrible. ADI doesn't deserve another shot and I doubt they ever did. Even if they get this one right, who the f**k cares? If they got it right or close we would be able to look at their involvement with both franchises and root for em but that's not the case is it.
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on May 04, 2021, 06:00:10 PM
So I'm guessing ADI's involvement is all but confirmed. Good sleuthing guys. Given the light of the recent lawsuit, help me out, why are we looking forward to this? Native American angle is great but everything else sounds terrible. ADI doesn't deserve another shot and I doubt they ever did. Even if they get this one right, who the f**k cares? If they got it right or close we would be able to look at their involvement with both franchises and root for em but that's not the case is it.
Predator to me is a slasher film franchise at heart. There are so many wonderful aspects of Predator that elevate the material far beyond your typical slasher fare, but that is the crux of it to me.
So in that slasher framework, much of its freshness relies on 1. the setting and 2. the opponent. And to me they hit the bullseye with a soldier in a present day jungle, and hit it again with a cop in a city in the future.
The other necessary component is 3. maintain the mythological / supernatural prism in which the Predator is viewed, an aspect that was purposely baked into the creature by Jim & John Thomas. You got that in the first two Predator films from both Anna and King Willie referring to the hunter as a "demon".
Unlike Predators and Royce, and The Predator and McKenna, you finally have a movie Skulls that checks all three boxes again in 1. setting, 2. opponent and 3. mythological prism (you just know the Comanche is going to view the Predator as some demon, god or ghost from some sort of spirit world.)
That's why I am looking forward to this. :)
Solid answer and I'm with ya on that. If they go that route I'll be shocked, Hollywood lacks the scope. These are core elements of what makes the creature great but they are seldom utilized. The mythological monster aspect can yield many results. A First Nations cast can pull you in but that synopsis we got was questionable at best. I appreciate your optimism man, I do but the focus on gender and ADI's involvement is not good enough. An emphasis on horror and shock with a strong Predator character is what we need.
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on May 04, 2021, 08:06:22 PM
Solid answer and I'm with ya on that. These are core elements of what makes the creature great but they are seldom utilized. The mythological monster aspect can yield many results. A First Nations cast can pull you in but that synopsis we got was questionable at best. I appreciate your optimism man, I do but the focus on gender and ADI's involvement is not good enough.
Well, to me, I was actually encouraged by 1. Dan Trachtenberg and 2. by what I saw in the screen tests. Not in regards to the actor delivery, but in regards to the content.
With that synopsis, I thought perhaps Kee might be at odds with Comanche gender roles like cooking, making clothes, and raising children. But from what we can gather from the audition, its instead Hunting vs Medicine, becoming a Hunter versus becoming a Healer, and if that is the route it goes, I find it promising... especially if Kee takes the Predator out with a combination of
both, after so many other warriors have fallen.
I think goose was the first to predict the Predator will be taken down with a mix of both, like a poisoned spear. Something from the healing world to neutralize, paralyze the Predator. So I am very hopeful here. Mix in a great score and beautiful cinematography and we may have a real winner.
I could definitely see the poison spear idea working. That's a good idea. Also like the idea of another creature like a Wendigo reeking havoc and the Predator is actually there to hunt it as the main trophy. Think that was Xenomorphone's idea. Alot of potential for the Native angle. Also the horses, the Comanche had a symbiotic relationship with the horse. I just see ADI and I start sputtering out of control.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 04, 2021, 08:32:11 PM
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on May 04, 2021, 08:06:22 PM
Solid answer and I'm with ya on that. These are core elements of what makes the creature great but they are seldom utilized. The mythological monster aspect can yield many results. A First Nations cast can pull you in but that synopsis we got was questionable at best. I appreciate your optimism man, I do but the focus on gender and ADI's involvement is not good enough.
Well, to me, I was actually encouraged by 1. Dan Trachtenberg and 2. by what I saw in the screen tests. Not in regards to the actor delivery, but in regards to the content.
With that synopsis, I thought perhaps Kee might be at odds with Comanche gender roles like cooking, making clothes, and raising children. But from what we can gather from the audition, its instead Hunting vs Medicine, becoming a Hunter versus becoming a Healer, and if that is the route it goes, I find it promising... especially if Kee takes the Predator out with a combination of both, after so many other warriors have fallen.
I think goose was the first to predict the Predator will be taken down with a mix of both, like a poisoned spear. Something from the healing world to neutralize, paralyze the Predator. So I am very hopeful here. Mix in a great score and beautiful cinematography and we may have a real winner.
Yep was me. 🙃😅
'tis a great idea brother! :)👍
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on May 04, 2021, 08:47:19 PM
I could definitely see the poison spear idea working. That's a good idea. Also like the idea of another creature like a Wendigo reeking havoc and the Predator is actually there to hunt it as the main trophy. Think that was Xenomorphone's idea. Alot of potential for the Native angle. Also the horses, the Comanche had a symbiotic relationship with the horse. I just see ADI and I start sputtering out of control.
Yeah. ADI. I know. I definitely feel ya. And the concern is real. Woah boy. But that's where my hope in Dan's uncompromising vision comes in, and his ability to push and will a great Predator out of them. 🙏
Unless he doesn't mind how they've looked in the latest films. :-[ Do we have anything to suggest he was particularly bothered by them?
That he yearns for the original design? We only have hope...
(https://i.gifer.com/1cTm.gif)
Quote from: ace3g on May 03, 2021, 08:54:47 PM
This was from Kyle Strauts IG story 1 hour ago. Anyone recognize the creature designs? If so, we might know what creature effects company is working on the film.
(https://cdn1.smihub.com/view?q=%3D%3DANtcjYjNWLy4CRzUCRzUyZOdXRU9EMrR1T1MGVPNTVq5kejRlTyUlaN1Telt2Xlh2YhN2XnlmJ5UWYzQjN9QWaz91Yu9lJ5ETRwMTOwYTPl9mJ2EGZmhDO4kjNldzM0ImZ0QjNzYGNxIzMzkDOiRWZkZTPo9mJ00yN9I2YjZSQBFUQCd2aGZ3QMFUPtRWZmE2YGN0S5gVQvJXNxckbxg1Mt8VPjh2bfNmbfZCOwETP0F2YfNmbfZSbvNmLtFmcnFGdz5WauR2YuETLzwWZo1CduVGdu92Yz1Ddo91Yu9lJx0Dc09zZwpmLu9VNyYjNzcDN5kDM0cTM5ETMxQzMfRDN5ATO5EzM4IzN5YTM0EzXzYjMwYzMygTMvATN3gHM1cDcvUzMl9COw4CMoN3L1ETL1gDOy4SM1Q3L29SbvNmLtFmcnFGdz5WauR2YuETLzwWZo1CduVGdu92Yz9yL6MHc0RHa)
He also posted this a few stories before the one above. He was driving down the road and then this one with gate entrance. Thought maybe it was a hint at the VFX studio but can't find anything.
(https://cdn2.smihub.com/view?q=%3D%3DANtcjYjNWLy4CRzUCRzUSUPFTQE5UNBRUTwEFVPJzYU10MjRlTyUlaN1Telt2Xlh2YhN2XnlmJ5UWYzQjN9QWaz91Yu9lJ5IEM5ITOwYTPl9mJ5cjYlZmNidzN0ETMhZTY2kjNykjMkF2MiZmM4IDM2YWPo9mJ00yN9I2YjZSQBFUQCd2aGZ3QMFUPtRWZm4kYzVHNtgVQ48kUzw2NxInd3lTPjh2bfNmbfZyMwETP0F2YfNmbfZSbvNmLtFmcnFGdz5WauR2YuETLzwWZo1CduVGdu92Yz1Ddo91Yu9lJx0Dc09zZwpmLu91N1MTM4IjN5YTMwcTN2MjM3ITNfFTNxIzM0IDM4MTM1YDNyEzXzczN4YjNwgTMvATN3gHM1cDcvUzMl9COw4CMoN3L1ETL1gDOy4SM1Q3L29SbvNmLtFmcnFGdz5WauR2YuETLzwWZo1CduVGdu92Yz9yL6MHc0RHa)
Quote from: SiL on May 04, 2021, 10:26:55 PM
Unless he doesn't mind how they've looked in the latest films. :-[ Do we have anything to suggest he was particularly bothered by them?
That's exactly what I was thinking :(
Slightly encouraged by ace3g's image as this does look like the entrance to a practical effects studio, but I'm probably clutching at straws!
Surely the big bosses choose a new director and new writers for each new instalment to breathe freshness into it - I don't know why the same doesn't apply with the practical effects >:( how are we at this stage with Predator where the design has looked poorer than better in over half the series? Jesus.
To be fair, think what you will of the quality - all of ADI's ventures have showcased different styles of Predator according to the directors' wishes. Wolf's face may look like ass, but he's very different to the AvP Predators.
I think the biggest mistake of the creature work in The Predator was getting ADI to do the body rather than the armour. Their Predator armour is great, it's the bodies they should've outsourced.
Quote from: SiL on May 05, 2021, 07:37:04 AM
I think the biggest mistake of the creature work in The Predator was getting ADI to do the body rather than the armour. Their Predator armour is great, it's the bodies they should've outsourced.
Hmm. ADI crafts the armor, bio-mask and accessories and the actual Predator head & body is assigned to a different FX house? I would sign up for that. :)
Quote from: ace3g on May 05, 2021, 03:50:08 AM
He also posted this a few stories before the one above. He was driving down the road and then this one with gate entrance. Thought maybe it was a hint at the VFX studio but can't find anything.
(https://cdn2.smihub.com/view?q=%3D%3DANtcjYjNWLy4CRzUCRzUSUPFTQE5UNBRUTwEFVPJzYU10MjRlTyUlaN1Telt2Xlh2YhN2XnlmJ5UWYzQjN9QWaz91Yu9lJ5IEM5ITOwYTPl9mJ5cjYlZmNidzN0ETMhZTY2kjNykjMkF2MiZmM4IDM2YWPo9mJ00yN9I2YjZSQBFUQCd2aGZ3QMFUPtRWZm4kYzVHNtgVQ48kUzw2NxInd3lTPjh2bfNmbfZyMwETP0F2YfNmbfZSbvNmLtFmcnFGdz5WauR2YuETLzwWZo1CduVGdu92Yz1Ddo91Yu9lJx0Dc09zZwpmLu91N1MTM4IjN5YTMwcTN2MjM3ITNfFTNxIzM0IDM4MTM1YDNyEzXzczN4YjNwgTMvATN3gHM1cDcvUzMl9COw4CMoN3L1ETL1gDOy4SM1Q3L29SbvNmLtFmcnFGdz5WauR2YuETLzwWZo1CduVGdu92Yz9yL6MHc0RHa)
Yeah, I don't know. Calgary has a pretty famous gorilla exhibit there. I would just assume this is some sort of sub entrance or side entrance to something like that, versus an entry to an fx studio.
A new Predator movie eh?
(https://i.imgur.com/mwQwF9w.png)
So, I've been doing some digging and it's a good speculation here that both Alec's and Tom's StudioADI and Steve Wang's Onyx Forge Studio is working on "Skulls". It will be interesting to find out how the responsibilities are divided up, if confirmed.
And I'm betting Jen Roomes is working on "Skulls", who's an up & coming Special FX, Make-Up, Costume Designer.
She says she's working her dream job right now at StudioADI during the week as well as Steve Wang's Onyx Forge Studio on weekends.
https://www.instagram.com/p/COJ20HAFI4w/?igshid=kts8lvvhu6yy
(https://i.ibb.co/hW41Wcr/Screenshot-20210507-105807-Samsung-Internet.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/9pTpcJJ/Screenshot-20210507-103559-Facebook.jpg)
Jen and Alec also liked this recent post of Steve's:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNo1JU0F5J0/?igshid=7iimwwjp848v
Steve Wang ? Now this is interesting ! God I hope his role is important in this one...
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 07, 2021, 03:08:14 PM
Steve Wang ? Now this is interesting ! God I hope his role is important in this one...
Yes!!!! Give Steve Wang & Onyx the entire Predator and let ADI do the weapons, the armor, Comanche stunt weapons, etc. etc.
(https://i.ibb.co/0c7v8NQ/Screenshot-20210507-113709-Facebook.jpg)
"Boot making" makes me think...
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/36/aa/4c36aaeba0040847fff09d14de409cd3.jpg)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 07, 2021, 02:53:07 PM
And I'm betting Jen Roomes is working on "Skulls", who's an up & coming Special FX, Make-Up, Costume Designer.
She says she's working her dream job right now at StudioADI during the week as well as Steve Wang's Onyx Forge Studio on weekends.
https://www.instagram.com/p/COJ20HAFI4w/?igshid=kts8lvvhu6yy
Is she aware that thing has bad tendencies to impregnate women ?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 07, 2021, 03:13:07 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 07, 2021, 03:08:14 PM
Steve Wang ? Now this is interesting ! God I hope his role is important in this one...
Yes!!!! Give Steve Wang & Onyx the entire Predator and let ADI do the weapons, the armor, Comanche stunt weapons, etc. etc.
That's ... cheating
I want to throw Chet into a volcano.
:D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 07, 2021, 03:41:47 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/0c7v8NQ/Screenshot-20210507-113709-Facebook.jpg)
"Boot making" makes me think...
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/36/aa/4c36aaeba0040847fff09d14de409cd3.jpg
Oh oh... So they would do the comanche outfits/weapons etc ? Is it possible they also do some of the pred stuff ?
Quote from: Kradan on May 07, 2021, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 07, 2021, 03:13:07 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 07, 2021, 03:08:14 PM
Steve Wang ? Now this is interesting ! God I hope his role is important in this one...
Yes!!!! Give Steve Wang & Onyx the entire Predator and let ADI do the weapons, the armor, Comanche stunt weapons, etc. etc.
That's ... cheating
It happens. If you remember, Studio ADI didn't handle The Fugitive's Armor or Bio-Mask, just the Predator itself.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 07, 2021, 04:49:07 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 07, 2021, 03:41:47 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/0c7v8NQ/Screenshot-20210507-113709-Facebook.jpg)
"Boot making" makes me think...
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/36/aa/4c36aaeba0040847fff09d14de409cd3.jpg
Oh oh... So they would do the comanche outfits/weapons etc ? Is it possible they also do some of the pred stuff ?
I think its absolutely possible. Perhaps even probable. From my perspective, you don't bring the great Steve Wang on a Predator film just to do native American outfits I'd wager (if that's what this is). But if Onyx is indeed sculpting & creating a Predator, Steve Wang is a veteran artist and monster maker - I would assume he is probably doing that himself and/or with a team in mind he already knows. He wouldn't advertise that kind of work on Instagram I bet.
Provided this speculation is correct, we just have to see how all this work is partitioned, who's doing the Predator(s), and if so, how much of that Predator work is Wang & Onyx actually doing. Just a maquette? The whole actual suit? We'll see!
At least there's hope though! :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 07, 2021, 06:08:27 PM
Quote from: Kradan on May 07, 2021, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 07, 2021, 03:13:07 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 07, 2021, 03:08:14 PM
Steve Wang ? Now this is interesting ! God I hope his role is important in this one...
Yes!!!! Give Steve Wang & Onyx the entire Predator and let ADI do the weapons, the armor, Comanche stunt weapons, etc. etc.
That's ... cheating
It happens. If you remember, Studio ADI didn't handle The Fugitive's Armor or Bio-Mask, just the Predator itself.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 07, 2021, 04:49:07 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 07, 2021, 03:41:47 PM
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"Boot making" makes me think...
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/36/aa/4c36aaeba0040847fff09d14de409cd3.jpg
Oh oh... So they would do the comanche outfits/weapons etc ? Is it possible they also do some of the pred stuff ?
I think its absolutely possible. Perhaps even probable. From my perspective, you don't bring the great Steve Wang on a Predator film just to do native American outfits I'd wager (if that's what this is). But if Onyx is indeed sculpting & creating a Predator, Steve Wang is a veteran artist and monster maker - I would assume he is probably doing that himself and/or with a team in mind he already knows. He wouldn't advertise that kind of work on Instagram I bet.
Provided this speculation is correct, we just have to see how all this work is partitioned, who's doing the Predator(s), and if so, how much of that Predator work is Wang & Onyx actually doing. Just a maquette? The whole actual suit? We'll see!
At least there's hope though! :)
I like how all of this is picking up, but man, I hope this doesn't come crashing down May 27th. 😕
I really hope Wang handle the predator face.
We can only hope.
I mean the last time he worked on the franchise he was forced to give an Alien bright yellow pecs, let's not get too excited just yet.
Personally I do not blame him solely for that atrocity.
I specifically said he was forced to. It wasn't part of his original sculpt and I even remember him complaining about the changes.
Oh I know but I also think it's a mess in general in other areas even before the mandated changes.
Which movie was this again?
AvPR. Wang sculpted the PredAlien and was not too pleased when he had to sculpt extra muscles over it.
Yeah, I think the people who are worried are not worried about the design choices the directors approve, (there's nothing we can do about a director's vision) but more worried about the craftsmanship the directors likely didn't approve, something not evident in the concept art or maquettes like skin rolling and folding in unnatural ways, etc.
Nah I'm also pretty worried about good craftsmen getting told to realise shit ideas. What's the point in getting Steve Wang if you tell him to put bitch tits on an Alien, y'know?
Well if you have a poor vision and poor craftsmanship, you have no chance of a Predator to rival the Winston originals.
But with Wang possibly on board, I see it at the very least...
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 07, 2021, 09:24:15 PM
Yeah, I think the people who are worried are not worried about the design choices the directors approve, (there's nothing we can do about a director's vision) but more worried about the craftsmanship the directors likely didn't approve, something not evident in the concept art or maquettes like skin rolling and folding in unnatural ways, etc.
Going back to AvP-R, the Strause bros constantly banged on about their love for Aliens and wanting to go back to the domeless look. It was ADI's first proper chance to revise the Alien properly since Alien Resurrection and what they turned in was an unfathomably fat neck to hide the actor's head, and the worst looking Alien head in any Alien film. It couldn't look further from the ridged head in Aliens if it tried. So yeah it's definitely the craftsmanship.
Ironically Tom Woodruff Jnr is the guy who sculpted the skull in Aliens.
Don't tell LT his adress
Steve Wang has worked for ADI sculpting on both Alien Resurrection and AVPR. Same thing could be happening here. When people want one FX studio over another, I don't think they really realize how many artists are work for hire and take up jobs rotating between studios. I get the argument that management makes a significant difference, but as we've also seen the director and the producers have made decisions that ADI have disagreed with. An artist team is entirely different on different projects, even with the same studio.
(https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/ckeditor_assets/pictures/805/content_steve_wang_bts_avp_requiem_20th_century_fox.jpg?1352307729)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/a9/6e/a1a96e52af3a389098df2203812f926d.jpg)
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 08, 2021, 09:07:48 AM
Steve Wang has worked for ADI sculpting on both Alien Resurrection and AVPR. Same thing could be happening here. When people want one FX studio over another, I don't think they really realize how many artists are work for hire and take up jobs rotating between studios. I get the argument that management makes a significant difference, but as we've also seen the director and the producers have made decisions that ADI have disagreed with. An artist team is entirely different on different projects, even with the same studio.
https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/ckeditor_assets/pictures/805/content_steve_wang_bts_avp_requiem_20th_century_fox.jpg?1352307729
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/a9/6e/a1a96e52af3a389098df2203812f926d.jpg
That's exactly why I said it's all about job responsibilities: "Give Steve Wang & Onyx the entire Predator and let ADI do the weapons, the armor, Comanche stunt weapons, etc. etc."
It goes back to the one thing you and I agreed on that with ADI Predators, for some reason, something gets lost between maquette and the final executed product. That's why I hope Onyx gets the entire Predator soup to nuts... and ADI gets the Predator armor and accessories which is something ADI does a very good job with in my humble opinion!
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/a9/6e/a1a96e52af3a389098df2203812f926d.jpg)
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 07, 2021, 09:24:15 PM
Yeah, I think the people who are worried are not worried about the design choices the directors approve, (there's nothing we can do about a director's vision) but more worried about the craftsmanship the directors likely didn't approve, something not evident in the concept art or maquettes like skin rolling and folding in unnatural ways, etc.
Going back to AvP-R, the Strause bros constantly banged on about their love for Aliens and wanting to go back to the domeless look. It was ADI's first proper chance to revise the Alien properly since Alien Resurrection and what they turned in was an unfathomably fat neck to hide the actor's head, and the worst looking Alien head in any Alien film. It couldn't look further from the ridged head in Aliens if it tried. So yeah it's definitely the craftsmanship.
Well, I personally think everything is a case by case basis, but I do know with Predators, that skin rolling and folding in unnatural ways is definitely craftsmanship... and definitely not in the concept art or maquettes.
(https://i.ibb.co/gj8kqf5/20210311-153852.gif)
+ The bobble head effect which is ridiculous. I hope it disappear as well. God it's bad.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 04, 2021, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on May 04, 2021, 06:00:10 PM
So I'm guessing ADI's involvement is all but confirmed. Good sleuthing guys. Given the light of the recent lawsuit, help me out, why are we looking forward to this? Native American angle is great but everything else sounds terrible. ADI doesn't deserve another shot and I doubt they ever did. Even if they get this one right, who the f**k cares? If they got it right or close we would be able to look at their involvement with both franchises and root for em but that's not the case is it.
Predator to me is a slasher film franchise at heart. There are so many wonderful aspects of Predator that elevate the material far beyond your typical slasher fare, but that is the crux of it to me.
So in that slasher framework, much of its freshness relies on 1. the setting and 2. the opponent. And to me they hit the bullseye with a soldier in a present day jungle, and hit it again with a cop in a city in the future.
The other necessary component is 3. maintain the mythological / supernatural prism in which the Predator is viewed, an aspect that was purposely baked into the creature by Jim & John Thomas. You got that in the first two Predator films from both Anna and King Willie referring to the hunter as a "demon".
Unlike Predators and Royce, and The Predator and McKenna, you finally have a movie Skulls that checks all three boxes again in 1. setting, 2. opponent and 3. mythological prism (you just know the Comanche is going to view the Predator as some demon, god or ghost from some sort of spirit world.)
That's why I am looking forward to this. :)
Very good post and very true, I would add :
4. Predator design, if it sucks the movie will suck too.
Besides the creature and its equipment, the sound design is also important, and the pred vision.There were small differences between the pred visions in the first two movies, such as the heartbeat missing, but nevertheless both were quite similar and produced that eerie feeling.A lot of other details really made the character for me, like the difference between the mask removal in the first two movies, and the more recent ones,they removed them like cheap Halloween masks :D :-\
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 07, 2021, 03:08:14 PM
Steve Wang ? Now this is interesting ! God I hope his role is important in this one...
Can't be a bad new, but I will remain cautiously optimistic .Nicotero worked on Predators but the original pred was a failure.
Yeah, I think cautiously optimistic is the most we can be. :)🤞
Wolf's bobble head compared to that sculpt was needing to fill it with animatronics for the eyes. Scar didn't have the issue.
The Fugitive had the no neck /bobble-head issue.
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 08, 2021, 09:07:48 AM
Steve Wang has worked for ADI sculpting on both Alien Resurrection and AVPR. Same thing could be happening here. When people want one FX studio over another, I don't think they really realize how many artists are work for hire and take up jobs rotating between studios. I get the argument that management makes a significant difference, but as we've also seen the director and the producers have made decisions that ADI have disagreed with. An artist team is entirely different on different projects, even with the same studio.
https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/ckeditor_assets/pictures/805/content_steve_wang_bts_avp_requiem_20th_century_fox.jpg?1352307729
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/a9/6e/a1a96e52af3a389098df2203812f926d.jpg
Woah :o Thank you for such amazing post :o
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 09, 2021, 05:10:02 AM
The Fugitive had the no neck /bobble-head issue.
Sure did.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 09, 2021, 05:48:14 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 08, 2021, 09:07:48 AM
Steve Wang has worked for ADI sculpting on both Alien Resurrection and AVPR. Same thing could be happening here. When people want one FX studio over another, I don't think they really realize how many artists are work for hire and take up jobs rotating between studios. I get the argument that management makes a significant difference, but as we've also seen the director and the producers have made decisions that ADI have disagreed with. An artist team is entirely different on different projects, even with the same studio.
https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/ckeditor_assets/pictures/805/content_steve_wang_bts_avp_requiem_20th_century_fox.jpg?1352307729
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/a9/6e/a1a96e52af3a389098df2203812f926d.jpg
Woah :o Thank you for such amazing post :o
https://s3.gifyu.com/images/58u57qa9b529a6bff1dab1.gif
Where have you been? ;)
In all seriousness though I think there's a wrinkle here. If my recollection is correct, Wang was a freelancer hired by ADI for AvP Requiem. But a few years later, Steve Wang created his own studio (Onyx Forge Studios) that is now a competitor to ADI, bidding on the same jobs, etc. So like with The Predator, where ADI had creature duties, but an entirely different studio had armor & bio-mask duties... I believe it could possibly turn into a similar situation here.
But yeah, ADI doesn't have the revenue to maintain talent on the payroll as permanent employees so they hire freelancers per job. We saw them advertising for workers recently, which tipped us that this probably for Skulls:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Screenshot_20210311-105213_Instagram.jpg)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 09, 2021, 02:21:37 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 09, 2021, 05:48:14 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 08, 2021, 09:07:48 AM
Steve Wang has worked for ADI sculpting on both Alien Resurrection and AVPR. Same thing could be happening here. When people want one FX studio over another, I don't think they really realize how many artists are work for hire and take up jobs rotating between studios. I get the argument that management makes a significant difference, but as we've also seen the director and the producers have made decisions that ADI have disagreed with. An artist team is entirely different on different projects, even with the same studio.
https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/ckeditor_assets/pictures/805/content_steve_wang_bts_avp_requiem_20th_century_fox.jpg?1352307729
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/a9/6e/a1a96e52af3a389098df2203812f926d.jpg
Woah :o Thank you for such amazing post :o
https://s3.gifyu.com/images/58u57qa9b529a6bff1dab1.gif
Where have you been? ;)
In all seriousness though I think there's a wrinkle here. If my recollection is correct, Wang was a freelancer hired by ADI for AvP Requiem. But a few years later, Steve Wang created his own studio (Onyx Forge Studios) that is now a competitor to ADI, bidding on the same jobs, etc. So like with The Predator, where ADI had creature duties, but an entirely different studio had armor & bio-mask duties... I believe it could possibly turn into a similar situation here.
But yeah, ADI doesn't have the revenue to maintain talent on the payroll as permanent employees so they hire freelancers per job. We saw them advertising for workers recently, which tipped us that this probably for Skulls:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Screenshot_20210311-105213_Instagram.jpg)
Let's try this again lol :laugh: I'm
Disney and I decide to hire
Voodoo studio to design the Predators and then
Kradan's studio to design the fishnet, and Kradan worked as a freelance artist for Voodoo before creating his studio. But maybe Kradan's Predators are better than Voodoo's so we should give Kradan Studios the entire Predator and let Voodoo do the fishnet 🤔 Mmmm ok got it. ;)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 09, 2021, 03:40:48 PM
Let's try this again lol :laugh: I'm Disney and I decide to hire Voodoo studio to design the Predators and then Kradan's studio to design the fishnet, and Kradan worked as a freelance artist for Voodoo before creating his studio. But maybe Kradan's Predators are better than Voodoo's so we should give Kradan Studios the entire Predator and let Voodoo do the fishnet 🤔 Mmmm ok got it. ;)
:laugh:
Nailed it!
What's interesting is Jen Roomes posted that she is working for both studios... StudioADI during the week and Onyx Forge Studio on the weekends. I would love to know what she's doing at each studio! 🤔
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 09, 2021, 03:40:48 PM
Let's try this again lol :laugh: I'm Disney and I decide to hire Voodoo studio to design the Predators and then Kradan's studio to design the fishnet, and Kradan worked as a freelance artist for Voodoo before creating his studio. But maybe Kradan's Predators are better than Voodoo's so we should give Kradan Studios the entire Predator and let Voodoo do the fishnet 🤔 Mmmm ok got it. ;)
Nooooo ! Don't give Kradan Predators, give them to Voodoo ! His Preds are fine !
:laugh:
First look at Predator face design for Skulls
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by @jeff_cutter 37 minutes ago at Calgary, Alberta
When the director has a birthday you get to eat cool cookies like these! Happy Bday @dannytrs #skullsmovie #predator
Looks like a Predator lol
Quote from: ace3g on May 11, 2021, 07:39:26 PM
First look at Predator face design for Skulls
https://cdn1.smihub.com/view?q=%3DMDOmZmY3Q0MlQWaz91Yu9lNyUyQwEkNxMEM2Q0MlU2b2ITJyU2N3EjYlZzNmRmM4QmYxMjMwYTNlFDMxUGO5IzMykDRzUCavZjMlQTL3Q0MlI2YjZjMlEUQBFkQn1EMkZmQBR0Ml0GZlZjMlYmdK5GNtgVQnpWQzkDelhlQwQDRzUyYo92Xj52X2ITJzATMENTJ0F2YfNmbfZjMlQXZu5ibkNmYm5SYuZmLx0iMyYXZpZmLtFmcnFGdz5WaENTJ0h2Xj52X2ITJxQ0MlAHdGNTJnBnau42X2IzNygTO0MTOzMTM4IjM0IzMx8VNzcDM0EDN5kTN5gzMwUzX3YjN3AjM0gTMDdTJDdTJwQjN4BDN2M3Q3UyQ3USYykDMx4iM5ATMuAjL0cTMjN0NlM0NlUzMlN0NlM0NlgDMuADazN0NlM0NlUTMtUDO4IjLxUDdDdTJDdTJ2N0NlM0NlQXZu5ibkNmYm5SYuZmLx0iMyYXZpZmLtFmcnFGdz5WaDdTJDdTJDdTJDdTJBNTJzBHd0hWPsJXdv0WYydWY0Nnbp1Sei1CZlR3cvh2L
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by @jeff_cutter 37 minutes ago at Calgary, Alberta
When the director has a birthday you get to eat cool cookies like these! Happy Bday @dannytrs #skullsmovie #predator
Predcake !!!
Hey, those cookies remind me of what a great creature Predator was.
Looks tasty.
So that lawsuit didn't hinder production? Can we expect this thing in theaters next year?
Part of me feels like regardless of the outcome, the lawsuit wouldn't affect the movie.
If an injunction is passed the production will be put on hold
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by @dannytrs 5 hours ago
This is 40. Thank you @lindseygazel and @tysonbreuer for the bday cookies.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on May 11, 2021, 09:39:33 PM
Part of me feels like regardless of the outcome, the lawsuit wouldn't affect the movie.
I super hope so! :laugh: :-X
Quote from: ace3g on May 11, 2021, 11:20:20 PM
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by @dannytrs 5 hours ago
This is 40. Thank you @lindseygazel and @tysonbreuer for the bday cookies.
That cookie actually hype me up! 8)
Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2021, 10:34:34 PM
If an injunction is passed the production will be put on hold
Exactly. It wouldn't make sense for Disney to stop production on their own on a "what if..." They're smart to continue on the off chance things go their way. That way they're not behind on scheduling as the studio time has already been booked. However, if that injunction is placed, then unfortunately that puts an end to that.
Indeed. Disney brings up their new Predator film (Skulls) several times in their own countersuit. Here are some snippets:
(https://i.ibb.co/0Mqv9fh/IMG-20210512-093102.jpg)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 12, 2021, 01:17:53 PM
Indeed. Disney brings up their new Predator film (Skulls) several times in their own countersuit. Here are some snippets:
https://i.ibb.co/0Mqv9fh/IMG-20210512-093102.jpg
I admit to being part of those with a sense of false hope considering we keep uncovering little bits of production information, like updated crew jobs, scouting photos, BIRTHDAY COOKIES, etc. We assume that if this is going on then something must be happening behind the scenes favoring Disney/Fox we're not privy to. But the fact remains we know nothing at all and won't until May 27th.
I don't know where legal precedent would sway, but perhaps all things being equal, a judge may rule against a preliminary injunction to stop Skulls because people's jobs are on the line and they are already on location?
I believe there's ample precedent for shutting down movies for legal reasons.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 12, 2021, 07:55:31 PM
I don't know where legal precedent would sway, but perhaps all things being equal, a judge may rule against a preliminary injunction to stop Skulls because people's jobs are on the line and they are already on location?
Movie productions are constantly shut down for legal and/or non-legal reasons. I have friends in the industry that have worked on shows/films that shut down two weeks into shooting. Sometimes it's a studio regime change. Sometimes it's budgetary reasons. And a lot of other times it's legal reasons. Whatever that reason is, jobs being on the line do not matter. And a judge, even if they feel sympathy for the crew, cannot make a decision based on personal feelings. The decision will be based on how they interpret the complaints. I will say that half my screenwriting friends believe Disney will open their pocket book and settle if the hearing doesn't go their way, while the other half think Disney loses completely and production is stopped. So we're back to speculating and being hopeful (whichever way you're leaning) for another two weeks.
Quote from: Proteus on May 12, 2021, 09:21:46 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 12, 2021, 07:55:31 PM
I don't know where legal precedent would sway, but perhaps all things being equal, a judge may rule against a preliminary injunction to stop Skulls because people's jobs are on the line and they are already on location?
Movie productions are constantly shut down for legal and/or non-legal reasons. I have friends in the industry that have worked on shows/films that shut down two weeks into shooting. Sometimes it's a studio regime change. Sometimes it's budgetary reasons. And a lot of other times it's legal reasons. Whatever that reason is, jobs being on the line do not matter. And a judge, even if they feel sympathy for the crew, cannot make a decision based on personal feelings. The decision will be based on how they interpret the complaints. I will say that half my screenwriting friends believe Disney will open their pocket book and settle if the hearing doesn't go their way, while the other half think Disney loses completely and production is stopped. So we're back to speculating and being hopeful (whichever way you're leaning) for another two weeks.
I am not suggesting the judgment will be made upon personal feelings.
But we're talking a preliminary injunction versus a permanent junction here, where production would be stopped not based on the merits of the arguments, but based on the merits of the initial claims and its surrounding ramifications.
All things being equal, it's my understanding the judge has to absolutely factor in what exactly she would be stopping (which is a movie is in production right now) and weigh those ramifications on the strength of the claims. This is one of Disney's key points in this countersuit... a
You can't do this now - we're working on a film at this very moment! It can't not be taken into account in a temporary injunction.
In regards to legal precedent. To my understanding it has to be specific. It can't be
productions have been stopped before. Legal precedent would be a previous case where a preliminary injunction was enforced to stop a film currently in pre-production, based on errors in a copyright termination notice.
It can always set precedent. The provision has only been actionable for a few years and only used a few times. It's one of the many reasons this case has so much attention in Hollywood.
But exactly zero of us are lawyers so the only real response is "nobody here knows." Time to pull out the popcorn and wait.
Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2021, 08:23:33 PM
It can always set precedent. The provision has only been actionable for a few years and only used a few times. It's one of the many reasons this case has so much attention in Hollywood.
Yep, if no precedent has been established to point to, said case establishes precedent. There always has to be a first.
QuoteBut exactly zero of us are lawyers so the only real response is "nobody here knows." Time to pull out the popcorn and wait.
That goes without saying. Hence the uncertainty, and why no one here has said that they know definitively what will happen. But it's been fun or interesting for some of us to discuss these past few weeks, even for you I think. But yeah, even if we were lawyers, I believe we'd have to be lawyers proficient in U.S. Copyright law to be truly able gauge which way the wind might blow.
This was posted in March by creature actor Dane Diliegro, who is also followed by Dan Trachtenberg and Alec Gillis. Creature fx by Patrick Magee.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hx8D5rVb/Screenshot-20210514-104842-Gallery.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/VvyyFzCp/Screenshot-20210514-104903-Gallery.jpg)
These images brought to mind our "Skulls" Podcast, when Xenomorphine imagined a story where a Predator did not come to Earth to hunt the Comanche, but was on Earth to hunt another creature. So could you imagine the Predator in Skulls was here to hunt the Sasquatch?
It's probably too much of a connect-the-dots stretch, but it's still awfully fun to imagine. :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2021, 03:44:54 PM
So could you imagine the Predator in Skulls was here to hunt the Sasquatch?
Handled as a plot twist maybe? :laugh:
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2021, 03:44:54 PM
It's probably too much of a connect-the-dots stretch, but it's still awfully fun to imagine. :)
Yes. 😉
Harry and the Predators. ;D
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 14, 2021, 03:57:44 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2021, 03:44:54 PM
So could you imagine the Predator in Skulls was here to hunt the Sasquatch?
Handled as a plot twist maybe? :laugh:
It should be Suburban Sasquatch
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 14, 2021, 03:58:40 PM
Harry and the Predators. ;D
Yeah, when I showed Eric he thought it would be a great Kevin Peter Hall tribute. :)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 14, 2021, 03:57:44 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2021, 03:44:54 PM
It's probably too much of a connect-the-dots stretch, but it's still awfully fun to imagine. :)
Yes. 😉
Well, both the director and ADI follow him, so is there a crazy chance it could happen and the Predator was cleverly put in the background as an inside (for now) joke? But alas, I agree, I posted this knowing the smart money is probably on me doing fandom daydreaming. So caveat, caveat, caveat. :laugh:
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2021, 04:04:39 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 14, 2021, 03:57:44 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2021, 03:44:54 PM
It's probably too much of a connect-the-dots stretch, but it's still awfully fun to imagine. :)
Yes. 😉
Well, both the director and ADI follow him, so is there a crazy chance it could happen and the Predator was cleverly put in the background as an inside (for now) joke? But alas, I agree, I posted this knowing the smart money is probably on me doing fandom daydreaming. So caveat, caveat, caveat. :laugh:
In a "what if" fantasy, the Comanche culture had encounters with an ape-like creature for centuries. The Predator came especially to hunt down the creature, which is helped by the young Comanche woman.
(https://i.ibb.co/9Z5P3BZ/3ec08296edd50abca4bdda2af30029db.jpg)
Edit~
Spoiler
In the post-credit scene, Sasquatch waits for everyone to leave to get on its spaceship and return to its true home. ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/r2wq3gj/images-2.jpg)
Quote from: Kradan on May 14, 2021, 04:02:16 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 14, 2021, 03:57:44 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2021, 03:44:54 PM
So could you imagine the Predator in Skulls was here to hunt the Sasquatch?
Handled as a plot twist maybe? :laugh:
It should be Suburban Sasquatch
(https://i.ibb.co/wLyj6vb/Sasquatch-Alpha-Flight-Marvel-Comics-h4.jpg)
(https://miro.medium.com/max/658/0*yZ6GQLYnV7IZ7uyy.jpg)
(https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/thumb/e/e7/Bigfoot_Homer.png/250px-Bigfoot_Homer.png)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 14, 2021, 05:17:05 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2021, 04:04:39 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 14, 2021, 03:57:44 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2021, 03:44:54 PM
It's probably too much of a connect-the-dots stretch, but it's still awfully fun to imagine. :)
Yes. 😉
Well, both the director and ADI follow him, so is there a crazy chance it could happen and the Predator was cleverly put in the background as an inside (for now) joke? But alas, I agree, I posted this knowing the smart money is probably on me doing fandom daydreaming. So caveat, caveat, caveat. :laugh:
In a "what if" fantasy, the Comanche culture had encounters with an ape-like creature for centuries. The Predator came especially to hunt down the creature, which is helped by the young Comanche woman.
https://i.ibb.co/9Z5P3BZ/3ec08296edd50abca4bdda2af30029db.jpg
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/A1hDjuHKd%2BL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)
I believe there's some rich documented
history with native Americans and their experiences with these type of creatures.
So it would be wild if the Comanche went on an annual ceremonial hunt for one of these Wendigos. A test of warriorhood. An initiation. Only this time to find a Wendigo already being attacked by a demon! A Predator! Which suddenly turns its attention on them!
Oh baby, sign me up! :o
And lol @ your Chewbacca joke! :laugh:
Well that took a turn ! Hey you know what...
Spoiler
Why not ! Execution, people, execution first and foremost !
Definitely!
And wouldn't you know it, an artist already thought of it.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b2/f5/0b/b2f50b26fb1a0643e57a5784712a5689.jpg)
- Mauricio Lozano González
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2021, 03:44:54 PM
This was posted in March by creature actor Dane Diliegro, who is also followed by Dan Trachtenberg and Alec Gillis. Creature fx by Patrick Magee.
https://i.postimg.cc/Hx8D5rVb/Screenshot-20210514-104842-Gallery.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/VvyyFzCp/Screenshot-20210514-104903-Gallery.jpg
These images brought to mind our "Skulls" Podcast, when Xenomorphine imagined a story where a Predator did not come to Earth to hunt the Comanche, but was on Earth to hunt another creature. So could you imagine the Predator in Skulls was here to hunt the Sasquatch?
It's probably too much of a connect-the-dots stretch, but it's still awfully fun to imagine. :)
Noooow, I'd be down for that!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2021, 08:46:02 PM
Definitely!
And wouldn't you know it, an artist already thought of it.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b2/f5/0b/b2f50b26fb1a0643e57a5784712a5689.jpg)
- Mauricio Lozano González
The predator seem to be losing here :laugh:
Indeed! :laugh:
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2021, 05:56:03 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 14, 2021, 05:17:05 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2021, 04:04:39 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 14, 2021, 03:57:44 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2021, 03:44:54 PM
It's probably too much of a connect-the-dots stretch, but it's still awfully fun to imagine. :)
Yes. 😉
Well, both the director and ADI follow him, so is there a crazy chance it could happen and the Predator was cleverly put in the background as an inside (for now) joke? But alas, I agree, I posted this knowing the smart money is probably on me doing fandom daydreaming. So caveat, caveat, caveat. :laugh:
In a "what if" fantasy, the Comanche culture had encounters with an ape-like creature for centuries. The Predator came especially to hunt down the creature, which is helped by the young Comanche woman.
https://i.ibb.co/9Z5P3BZ/3ec08296edd50abca4bdda2af30029db.jpg
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/A1hDjuHKd%2BL._AC_SL1500_.jpg
I believe there's some rich documented history with native Americans and their experiences with these type of creatures.
So it would be wild if the Comanche went on an annual ceremonial hunt for one of these Wendigos. A test of warriorhood. An initiation. Only this time to find a Wendigo already being attacked by a demon! A Predator! Which suddenly turns its attention on them!
Oh baby, sign me up! :o
And lol @ your Chewbacca joke! :laugh:
Wow! :o thanks for adding a better context. Not to mention, I had no idea that there were so many of these legendary creatures around the world, except for the Yeti of course. :laugh:
I keen for the idea myself. 8)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2021, 08:46:02 PM
Definitely!
And wouldn't you know it, an artist already thought of it.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b2/f5/0b/b2f50b26fb1a0643e57a5784712a5689.jpg)
- Mauricio Lozano González
"The man who killed hitler and then the bigfoot that killed the predator who tried to kill the man who killed hitler".
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 14, 2021, 03:44:54 PM
This was posted in March by creature actor Dane Diliegro, who is also followed by Dan Trachtenberg and Alec Gillis. Creature fx by Patrick Magee.
https://i.postimg.cc/Hx8D5rVb/Screenshot-20210514-104842-Gallery.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/VvyyFzCp/Screenshot-20210514-104903-Gallery.jpg
These images brought to mind our "Skulls" Podcast, when Xenomorphine imagined a story where a Predator did not come to Earth to hunt the Comanche, but was on Earth to hunt another creature. So could you imagine the Predator in Skulls was here to hunt the Sasquatch?
It's probably too much of a connect-the-dots stretch, but it's still awfully fun to imagine. :)
Here is a look at the face of Sasquatch from Magee's IG
by @mageefx 4 weeks ago
(https://cdn3.dumpor.com/view?q=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)
Ha! Love it!
Well that does it. Posting a pic like that makes me more than certain now that it's for something else, but the Predator hunting a Sasquatch idea would have been so cool.
You just had to tease me Dane for having a Predator in the background and for Dan & Alec to be following you! :D
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 14, 2021, 09:48:11 PM
The predator seem to be losing here :laugh:
What?! The Predator has Bigfoot right where he wants him!!! ;)
I can dig it! Thanks for the update. 8)
Heh, this reminds me of one story that did pull a bait and switch like that. In the Predator If it Bleeds novel, during Hurricane Katrina, a Predator was on the hunt for the Louisiana equivalent of a werewolf so yeah, I'd be down for Space Hunter vs Forest Big monke.
Edit: I just remembered that there was a film called Primal Rage (2018), where Sasquatch was portrayed as a highly intelligent being with some Predator traits, such as wearing a mask and stalking. Hell, it even used a bow and arrows, and leaves to camouflage. Its an obvious Predator inspired film but its pretty well done and it even gives you a small insight on how a Predator hunting warriors in the woods would go down. Seems like this iteration of Sasquatch would be worthy prey to the Predator himself.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpopgeeks.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F02%2FBigfootRocks.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi2.wp.com%2Fbloody-disgusting.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F01%2FOh-Mah-Battle-6.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffilmschoolrejects.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F10%2Fprimal-rage.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 15, 2021, 02:10:53 AM
Ha! Love it!
Well that does it. Posting a pic like that makes me more than certain now that it's for something else, but the Predator hunting a Sasquatch idea would have been so cool. You just had to tease me Dane for having a Predator in the background and for Dan & Alec to be following you! :D
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 14, 2021, 09:48:11 PM
The predator seem to be losing here :laugh:
What?! The Predator has Bigfoot right where he wants him!!! ;)
What makes it cool, there would've have been a real plot twist since P1/P2.
You think this Sasquatch idea would play into the whole
surprise-its-a-predator-film original Dan Trachtenberg marketing ploy, where audiences would have no idea Skulls is a Predator movie. The trailer screams a native American monster movie... Comanche warriors dealing with some sort of Wendigo... but as expertly said in this Predator 2 trailer...
as bad as things are, they are about to get worse! Much worse.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on May 15, 2021, 05:48:03 AM
Heh, this reminds me of one story that did pull a bait and switch like that. In the Predator If it Bleeds novel, during Hurricane Katrina, a Predator was on the hunt for the Louisiana equivalent of a werewolf so yeah, I'd be down for Space Hunter vs Forest Big monke.
I didn't love the execution of the story, but I sure loved the setting and concept! :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 15, 2021, 07:53:56 PM
You think this Sasquatch idea would play into the whole surprise-its-a-predator-film original Dan Trachtenberg marketing ploy, where audiences would have no idea Skulls is a Predator movie. The trailer screams a native American monster movie... Comanche warriors dealing with some sort of Wendigo... but as expertly said in this Predator 2 trailer... as bad as things are, they are about to get worse! Much worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLe_1SheJms
Quote from: Mr.Turok on May 15, 2021, 05:48:03 AM
Heh, this reminds me of one story that did pull a bait and switch like that. In the Predator If it Bleeds novel, during Hurricane Katrina, a Predator was on the hunt for the Louisiana equivalent of a werewolf so yeah, I'd be down for Space Hunter vs Forest Big monke.
I didn't love the execution of the story, but I sure loved the setting and concept! :)
Rather the other way around. Comanche thinks the invisible hunter came for them, but then surprise, surprise he came here for Sasquatch living in forest! Comanche were just appetiser!
But I guess your plot twist sounds better then mine.
Bone Tomahawk with Predators.
I would dig that actually.
Over Bigfoot for sure.
Quote from: Master on May 15, 2021, 06:24:44 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 15, 2021, 02:10:53 AM
Ha! Love it!
Well that does it. Posting a pic like that makes me more than certain now that it's for something else, but the Predator hunting a Sasquatch idea would have been so cool. You just had to tease me Dane for having a Predator in the background and for Dan & Alec to be following you! :D
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 14, 2021, 09:48:11 PM
The predator seem to be losing here :laugh:
What?! The Predator has Bigfoot right where he wants him!!! ;)
What makes it cool, there would've have been a real plot twist since P1/P2.
Ok, I can see the twist in the original being "Oh shit, they're hunted by an alien !" but I don't recall any big twists from the second one
Can you imagine this being like
Prometheus? A movie called
Skulls that is mostly about a Comanche ritual passage, which involves hunting a cryptid creature, until the Predator appears late in the plot. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but I'd be curious about the reactions of casual viewers. :laugh:
Quote from: Mr.Turok on May 15, 2021, 05:48:03 AM
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffilmschoolrejects.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F10%2Fprimal-rage.jpg&f=1&nofb=1
Wow love that shot. :o
Actually I love creatures with skull-like features in their faces, even when it's natural and not an ornament, like that wooden mask created by that sentient ape. ;D
Spoiler
(https://i.ibb.co/ZK3M1nK/09492c6307b3150fdd3f1800e76f432b.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/8d3tBrj/Tyrannosaurus-JPG.jpg)
Edit-~Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 15, 2021, 07:53:56 PM
You think this Sasquatch idea would play into the whole surprise-its-a-predator-film original Dan Trachtenberg marketing ploy, where audiences would have no idea Skulls is a Predator movie. The trailer screams a native American monster movie... Comanche warriors dealing with some sort of Wendigo... but as expertly said in this Predator 2 trailer... as bad as things are, they are about to get worse! Much worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLe_1SheJms
I hadn't seen that post until now. I think you said it better.
As cool as it is I'm not sure where we'd draw the line and say Predator couldn't hunt Nessie, a zombie, or a ghost. It'd be awesome but I'm not entirely sold on it.
But how the Hell would we know more about a cryptid than a 7 foot tall monster that carries a tactical nuke? Outside sasquatch being an alien in this hypothetical I don't know how you sell that. I think you'd have an easier time explaining it like it's a Predator that is Big foot than to try to explain where the big ape man came from.
Quote from: Kradan on May 16, 2021, 06:10:09 PM
Quote from: Master on May 15, 2021, 06:24:44 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 15, 2021, 02:10:53 AM
Ha! Love it!
Well that does it. Posting a pic like that makes me more than certain now that it's for something else, but the Predator hunting a Sasquatch idea would have been so cool. You just had to tease me Dane for having a Predator in the background and for Dan & Alec to be following you! :D
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 14, 2021, 09:48:11 PM
The predator seem to be losing here :laugh:
What?! The Predator has Bigfoot right where he wants him!!! ;)
What makes it cool, there would've have been a real plot twist since P1/P2.
Ok, I can see the twist in the original being "Oh shit, they're hunted by an alien !" but I don't recall any big twists from the second one
Maybe not twist, but the great reveal of P2 was whole troophy wall and clan in ending. The idea we are not the only ones being hunted.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 16, 2021, 06:50:42 PM
Can you imagine this being like Prometheus? A movie called Skulls that is mostly about a Comanche ritual passage, which involves hunting a cryptid creature, until the Predator appears late in the plot. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but I'd be curious about the reactions of casual viewers. :laugh:
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 15, 2021, 07:53:56 PM
You think this Sasquatch idea would play into the whole surprise-its-a-predator-film original Dan Trachtenberg marketing ploy, where audiences would have no idea Skulls is a Predator movie. The trailer screams a native American monster movie... Comanche warriors dealing with some sort of Wendigo... but as expertly said in this Predator 2 trailer... as bad as things are, they are about to get worse! Much worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLe_1SheJms
I hadn't seen that post until now. I think you said it better.
I like your setup too. And I love this approach where the Comanche calls it the ghost, or the demon, or perhaps one of their pre-existing names for a spiritual or mythological creature already in their vernacular. And the trailer presents it the same way to the audience and like Prometheus, there's no indication to the casual potential viewer that it's a Predator film.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on May 16, 2021, 09:10:59 PM
As cool as it is I'm not sure where we'd draw the line and say Predator couldn't hunt Nessie, a zombie, or a ghost. It'd be awesome but I'm not entirely sold on it.
I'm not sure why a Predator would hunt a zombie - where's the sport in that - or how a Predator could hunt a ghost?? So I think we can absolutely draw a line there. :)
QuoteBut how the Hell would we know more about a cryptid than a 7 foot tall monster that carries a tactical nuke? Outside sasquatch being an alien in this hypothetical I don't know how you sell that. I think you'd have an easier time explaining it like it's a Predator that is Big foot than to try to explain where the big ape man came from.
I don't think the Comanche would know more about Predators versus Wendigos or Yetis. And regardless of the Native American and European settlers' historical accounts of encountering these creatures (if we believe it or not), I personally think because of this "history", audiences will not require a single stretch of imagination to believe Wendigos had an actual presence or more of a presence in the 17th century wilderness.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 16, 2021, 10:17:52 PM
I'm not sure why a Predator would hunt a zombie - where's the sport in that - or how a Predator could hunt a ghost?? So I think we can absolutely draw a line there. :)
If there was one thing I always wanted to see on other media, is having Predators tackle the supernatural realm. I always wondered how would it fair against vampires like in the ones in 30 Days of Night, or its thought on a ghost? Do Predators even know about the concept of ghosts or even encountered a zombie before? How about a werewolf? All this crazy stuff in Earth, like as if Earth was the Australia of the Milky Way galaxy :laugh:
Its also one of the reasons why I liked the line of Mortal Kombat X "Some possessed a power unknown to the Predator's race: Sorcery." There is so much potential in that line, I would love to see something of Predators in a supernatural situation.
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 16, 2021, 06:50:42 PM
Can you imagine this being like Prometheus? A movie called Skulls that is mostly about a Comanche ritual passage, which involves hunting a cryptid creature, until the Predator appears late in the plot. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but I'd be curious about the reactions of casual viewers. :laugh:
There is a part of me that knows it would most likely fail if done this route but also I would say if Sasquatch was introduced in a manner like in the film Primal Rage (2018) where its just as dangerous as the Predator itself, it could be entertaining enough to let it slide. I mean Godzilla vs Kong had its writing issues when you see it twice but goddamm was it just a great pretty film of big monkey punch big lizard. Especially seeing how people demanded more Monsterverse, studio and writers are happy with the positive feedback. So if done right, big forest monke vs big space alien hunter can be epic. Here is a scene from the film to get how brutal the interpretation of Sasquatch is and how it could a good fight for the Predator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gK9wxWjTnM&t=2s
Quote from: Mr.Turok on May 17, 2021, 12:55:00 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 16, 2021, 10:17:52 PM
I'm not sure why a Predator would hunt a zombie - where's the sport in that - or how a Predator could hunt a ghost?? So I think we can absolutely draw a line there. :)
If there was one thing I always wanted to see on other media, is having Predators tackle the supernatural realm. I always wondered how would it fair against vampires like in the ones in 30 Days of Night, or its thought on a ghost? Do Predators even know about the concept of ghosts or even encountered a zombie before? How about a werewolf? All this crazy stuff in Earth, like as if Earth was the Australia of the Milky Way galaxy :laugh:
Its also one of the reasons why I liked the line of Mortal Kombat X "Some possessed a power unknown to the Predator's race: Sorcery." There is so much potential in that line, I would love to see something of Predators in a supernatural situation.
I can imagine someone like the Shaman Lost Predator not only understanding the concept of a ghost, but a believer of guardian spirits and faith in religion... perhaps even a communicator to the spirit world and to the souls of ancient ancestors.
In regards to Predator Sorcery, to me, that would need to be administered with a
very subtle hand. I would be okay with it being similar to old Native American Mysticism full of visions, dreams, incantations of protection and warding off evil spirits... but casting fireballs etc.? No thanks. ;D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 17, 2021, 02:13:29 PM
I can imagine someone like the Shaman Lost Predator not only understanding the concept of a ghost, but a believer of guardian spirits and faith in religion... perhaps even a communicator to the spirit world and to the souls of ancient ancestors.
I can see that, after all thats the usually the role of a shaman.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 17, 2021, 02:13:29 PM
In regards to Predator Sorcery, to me, that would need to be administered with a very subtle hand. I would be okay with it being similar to old Native American Mysticism full of visions, dreams, incantations of protection and warding off evil spirits... but casting fireballs etc.? No thanks. ;D
I was thinking more of Predators hunting sorcerers, witches, or wizards and encountering magic for the first time. Ohhhh geez the idea of Predators launching fireballs, as if there isn't enough trouble dealing invisable aliens with plasmacaster shots from afar the trees. :laugh:
Ah, I must have misinterpreted that then. :laugh:
https://twitter.com/FnVoodooMagic/status/1394392749428854796?
Alberta is where they filmed The Revenant after all... :)
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I would love something like this, it could be great !
Quote from: Mr.Turok on May 17, 2021, 12:55:00 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 16, 2021, 06:50:42 PM
Can you imagine this being like Prometheus? A movie called Skulls that is mostly about a Comanche ritual passage, which involves hunting a cryptid creature, until the Predator appears late in the plot. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but I'd be curious about the reactions of casual viewers. :laugh:
There is a part of me that knows it would most likely fail if done this route but also I would say if Sasquatch was introduced in a manner like in the film Primal Rage (2018) where its just as dangerous as the Predator itself, it could be entertaining enough to let it slide. I mean Godzilla vs Kong had its writing issues when you see it twice but goddamm was it just a great pretty film of big monkey punch big lizard. Especially seeing how people demanded more Monsterverse, studio and writers are happy with the positive feedback. So if done right, big forest monke vs big space alien hunter can be epic. Here is a scene from the film to get how brutal the interpretation of Sasquatch is and how it could a good fight for the Predator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gK9wxWjTnM&t=2s
That Sasquatch just smashed the head of that dude like a pumpkin!! 🎃⁉ :o I gues I've a craving to see a live-action fight between a Predator vs. another monster. When was the last time we saw that?
AVPs?
Predators &
The Predator don't count because it's basically Predator vs. Predator. :laugh:
Does Gary Busey count as a monster?
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;D
It is weird that for an alien planet, none of the Predators in the third film ever encounter the River ghost. I mean sure we know they encounter other things but yeah no one ever fights another alien in these movies outside the crossover.
Just as an aside I'd be interested in a return to the game preserve that had an alien on the team or even Hunting Grounds doing it.
It could be interesting if the alien planet actually feels and look like an alien planet.
When fans with limited resources can make these, no excuse for film studios.
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It's a reasonably mass produced mask that doesn't need to perform, doesn't need to fit an actor, doesn't need to stand up to the rigors of filmmaking, and wasn't designed by committee.
It's a really nice reproduction, but says nothing about what a film should or shouldn't be able to do :-\
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 18, 2021, 09:15:11 AM
That Sasquatch just smashed the head of that dude like a pumpkin!! 🎃⁉ :o I gues I've a craving to see a live-action fight between a Predator vs. another monster. When was the last time we saw that? AVPs? Predators & The Predator don't count because it's basically Predator vs. Predator. :laugh:
Yeah its horror and gore department did not hold punches in this film :laugh: . It would be a nice visual and reminder that the Predator also hunts other creatures besides humans. We only caught a glimpse of that in Predator 2 with those alien skulls, but would be a great refresher to see a Predator hunt another being, be it a bear or Sasquatch itself.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 18, 2021, 02:43:27 PM
It could be interesting if the alien planet actually feels and look like an alien planet.
Thats one of the biggest downers of Predators. We know its an alien hunting planet as its part of the synopsis, right? So the surprise in the film to the characters is that they didn't know this and the big reveal of the alien sky freaks them out. However to us it is pointless as we already know where they at, therefore the entire scene has its suspense decreased. Instead, the film should have made it already an alien place to be with the surprise and suspense is encountering the hostile alien terrain and various alien life that the Predators seeded to hunt, in conjunction of the Super Predators themselves. Like an alien version of Skull Island from King Kong/Kong Skull Island, where everything is dangerous and the Super Predators are large and in charge here.
Yeah the film was on a budget and Fox didn't want to take risks.....oh man. Or am I missing a detail and perhaps Fox would have agreed to fund more if Rodriguez actually pushed for a more alien route like how I described?
They would not have given them more money to do a more alien planet, no.
Quote from: ace3g on May 19, 2021, 01:36:28 AM
When fans with limited resources can make these, no excuse for film studios.
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I feel ya brother! I also love these low budget fan suits that have working mandibles. They use their own jaws to open and fully close their mouths, and the skin has great elasticity. And did I mention they can actually close their mouths? :D
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Quote from: Mr.Turok on May 19, 2021, 02:46:13 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 18, 2021, 02:43:27 PM
It could be interesting if the alien planet actually feels and look like an alien planet.
Thats one of the biggest downers of Predators. We know its an alien hunting planet as its part of the synopsis, right? So the surprise in the film to the characters is that they didn't know this and the big reveal of the alien sky freaks them out. However to us it is pointless as we already know where they at, therefore the entire scene has its suspense decreased. Instead, the film should have made it already an alien place to be with the surprise and suspense is encountering the hostile alien terrain and various alien life that the Predators seeded to hunt, in conjunction of the Super Predators themselves. Like an alien version of Skull Island from King Kong/Kong Skull Island, where everything is dangerous and the Super Predators are large and in charge here.
Yeah the film was on a budget and Fox didn't want to take risks.....oh man. Or am I missing a detail and perhaps Fox would have agreed to fund more if Rodriguez actually pushed for a more alien route like how I described?
I truly believe with a bigger budget and better execution, Predators had the potential to be a science fiction great. #WhatCouldHaveBeen
I have witnessed cosplayers do stuff that puts studio created iterations to absolute shame, and quite a number of them put their stuff through all kinds of stress testing because they do not want their stuff to get ruined going up a flight of stairs or through water, or because of a convention with the heating on high.
Sometimes even making their stuff modular so they do not end up overheating underneath it all, and depending on the size sometimes they have a built in water cooler, or even a set of fans.
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I'm not saying every single one's film quality in terms of standing up to that kind of consistent rigorous testing, but as we know, a lot actually do.
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Those mouth operated mandibles would be great for stunt masks, to but not much else.
That's not even an insult, it's a brilliant idea for stunt suits where you can't risk the animatronics.
With a smidge more detail I'd still take them over ADI's last three at "professional animatronic" Predator attempts.
Scar had design problems but his animatronics were beautifully precise and detailed. These mouth mechanics lack any real ability to perform - they can only shift between two predefined states. They're neat, but they aren't anywhere near film ready.
Half of jungle Hunter's facial performance was his twitching temples and upper mandible. Subtle, organic movement. You can't get that out of these.
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 19, 2021, 10:58:26 AM
I have witnessed cosplayers do stuff that puts studio created iterations to absolute shame, and quite a number of them put their stuff through all kinds of stress testing because they do not want their stuff to get ruined going up a flight of stairs or through water, or because of a convention with the heating on high.
Sometimes even making their stuff modular so they do not end up overheating underneath it all, and depending on the size sometimes they have a built in water cooler, or even a set of fans.
http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/sandbox-gif-art-geek-4106260.gif
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f2/c3/c2/f2c3c21ec5216ea728ae4503d31f067c.gif
https://64.media.tumblr.com/17cac04d84b1e1d6d770c82fd15b7e87/tumblr_mzymiqrRpJ1s4ddyqo1_400.gif
I'm not saying every single one's film quality in terms of standing up to that kind of consistent rigorous testing, but as we know, a lot actually do.
https://cdn-blog.adafruit.com/uploads/2019/09/Alien3_shower-480.2019-09-26-17_50_51.gif
Nice post TQ!
The animatronics are not the problem. Stan Winston already clearly proved that.
This leads again to all these unnatural folds in skin or cockeyed mandibles that aren't part of the concept art or maquette, suits that cost thousands upon thousands to make, which were filmed on set in a controlled environment. It all points to the nice folks at ADI were clearly not up to the task.
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In general I wonder if some of these old dogs of the industry also get stuck in their ways, without seeking out new technologies and finding ways to improve their craftsmanship.
It reminds me when Rogue One came out and messed Leia up so badly. I've wondered why technologies like face2face and deepfake technology come from academia and amateur developers versus someone the industry.
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With practical it is all in the way the design and animatronics interface with each other.
ADI's often only demonstrated the ability to do one or the other.
Fugitive's initial sculpt looks absolutely superb, and ADI's animatronics can certainly do a lot, but when they came together it looked awful.
Not much point in functionality if you warp the design in the process of giving it that functionality, in my opinion anyway, I'd rather have something more aesthetically pleasing that's more stiff as a viewer than the other way around although neither's obviously ideal.
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 19, 2021, 01:35:59 PM
With practical it is all in the way the design and animatronics interface with each other.
ADI's often only demonstrated the ability to do one or the other.
Fugitive's initial sculpt looks absolutely superb, and ADI's animatronics can certainly do a lot, but when they came together it looked awful.
Not much point in functionality if you warp the design in the process of giving it that functionality, in my opinion anyway, I'd rather have something more aesthetically pleasing that's more stiff as a viewer than the other way around although neither's obviously ideal.
Well said.
SiL, I'll bring up that you yourself have found fault with the animatronics of the City Hunter as sometimes stiff and twitchy, but an overwhelming majority of fans would sign up for another stiff twitchy design like the City Hunter versus another ADI creation in a heartbeat! Oh hellz yeah!! ;D
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 19, 2021, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 19, 2021, 01:35:59 PM
With practical it is all in the way the design and animatronics interface with each other.
ADI's often only demonstrated the ability to do one or the other.
Fugitive's initial sculpt looks absolutely superb, and ADI's animatronics can certainly do a lot, but when they came together it looked awful.
Not much point in functionality if you warp the design in the process of giving it that functionality, in my opinion anyway, I'd rather have something more aesthetically pleasing that's more stiff as a viewer than the other way around although neither's obviously ideal.
Well said.
SiL, I'll bring up that you yourself have found fault with the animatronics of the City Hunter as sometimes stiff and twitchy, but an overwhelming majority of fans would sign up for another stiff twitchy design like the City Hunter versus another ADI creation in a heartbeat! Oh hellz yeah!! ;D
https://i.ibb.co/5rrz3w6/tumblr-pcqw77jdsy1x5540co2-500-1.gif
I would also point out that getting twitchy is a body language that us humans display usually as a sign of great stress, either nervousness or great anger, for example. In this case City Hunter is livid about eating a few shotgun rounds to the chest so I just interpreted that twitchy mandibles is a body language that Predators go through when getting into said rage. Also, bugs can move in a twitchy fashion as well, with either mandibles or legs of their own and since City Hunter has them mandibles that is reminiscent to insects limbs, it also makes sense to the design.
No doubt that the quality of the animatronics don't matter much when it doesn't look good or convincing. The "lesser" animatronics in the city hunter aren't a problem because it still looks better visually than anything that has been made since.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 19, 2021, 01:50:18 PM
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SiL, I'll bring up that you yourself have found fault with the animatronics of the City Hunter as sometimes stiff and twitchy, but an overwhelming majority of fans would sign up for another stiff twitchy design like the City Hunter versus another ADI creation in a heartbeat! Oh hellz yeah!! ;D
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Good for them?
Something well designed that doesn't move well isn't any improvement over something that's not designed well but moves great as far as I'm concerned. It's just trading one sub part result for another. They need to work together or the end result is the same - an awkward, unconvincing creature.
A. Twitchy mandible.
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B. Awkward rolls and folds in skin.
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A. Wins out every time.
Not trying to change your mind, but you're on an AvP Requiem minority island on this one. Otherwise the masses of Predator fans would be complaining just as much about the City Hunter animatronics as Scar's mandible skin. :)
I agree that sometimes city hunter looks somewhat unconvincing (in the "less convincing than jungle hunter" way mostly), but that's the case in very few shots. Most of the time he looks good.
That's not the case about Scar or Fugitive. They most of the time look meh or really bad.
The whole difference is here. Better to look sometimes awkward than most of the time awkward. Almost every fan at this point would take that in a heartbeat.
Completely right.
I never claimed or intimated I was talking for anyone else. If I'm alone in my assessment that's perfectly fine.
P2 was the first of any of the Alien or Predator movies I saw and I always thought the unmasked face looked cheap because of its movement. Others disagree. That's fine too.
On a semi related note i also think SWS warrior Alien faces were stiff and clunky compared to the original too, while I'm digging a hole for myself.
I'll take the heat off you, the Warriors look fake, and it is an inferior design in general. 😝
Still miles better than anything from ADI. I do like the Dog, Runner. Just wasn't shot in an interesting way like Aliens.
That's the first time I've heard someone say there were no interesting shots of the Runner :o
Yeah that's just fundamentally not correct, even if you loathe everything to do with that film with all your being, it's got one of the most iconic shots in the franchise for a reason.
Courtesy of 'Who's Nick'
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPE0MVSJfxY/?utm_medium=copy_link
Scene "skin" eh ;D
Quote from: SiL on May 20, 2021, 01:31:16 AM
Scene "skin" eh ;D
Would be cool to actually see a Predator skinning.
Hasn't been done yet, that would be awesome and graphic. Let's see it!
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 20, 2021, 12:22:36 AM
Yeah that's just fundamentally not correct, even if you loathe everything to do with that film with all your being, it's got one of the most iconic shots in the franchise for a reason.
About my Alien 3 comment earlier, the film was my introduction into this whole thing. I don't loathe it, just find it loud and abrasive and not in a good way. What shot are we talking about on the Skulls thread? HAHA
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 20, 2021, 12:54:36 AM
Courtesy of 'Who's Nick'
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPE0MVSJfxY/?utm_medium=copy_link
Dope!◾👄◾
Kate Frey does monster makeup fx and in her Instagram story she mentions Steve Wang. Also notice the Predator in the corner.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 22, 2021, 11:41:50 AM
Kate Frey does monster makeup fx and in her Instagram story she mentions Steve Wang. Also notice the Predator in the corner.
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Image not showing, I was able to find it by reverse image search
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That pred in the corner is the one from the arcade videogame intro.
Quote from: Yautja888 on May 22, 2021, 04:18:29 PM
That pred in the corner is the one from the arcade videogame intro.
It's one of the gifs that's on Instagram stories.
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 23, 2021, 01:50:58 AM
Quote from: Yautja888 on May 22, 2021, 04:18:29 PM
That pred in the corner is the one from the arcade videogame intro.
It's one of the gifs that's on Instagram stories.
Forgot the picture.
Could be a good sign,this is the 2nd time they use the original pred.
(https://i.postimg.cc/YjxPKMvk/cps2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YjxPKMvk)
Let's just hope it's variation, not exact copy.