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$ 28,000,000 - 3-Day Wide Opening
$ 65,000,000 - Domestic Total
https://pro.boxoffice.com/long-range-tracking-predator-simple-favor-white-boy-rick-highlight-mid-september/
Yikes. That seems low. Gonna really be based off of reviews and word of mouth for this one I think.
I'm really hoping this clears $100 million domestic for the sake of the future.
Quote from: Tetsujin on Jul 20, 2018, 05:00:59 PM
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$ 28,000,000 - 3-Day Wide Opening
$ 65,000,000 - Domestic Total
https://pro.boxoffice.com/long-range-tracking-predator-simple-favor-white-boy-rick-highlight-mid-september/
Not too bothered by any projection. Domestic is not always the best indicator...
To be fair, tracking is almost always lower than what the movie ends up doing. It usually doesn't get accurate until about 2 weeks until the release.
Split off from the Social Thread. We'll try to make sure the tracking continues to be updated in here. Shame to see it so low but hopefully it'll pick up or perform better. I really hope we don't get another lukewarm film or response like with Covenant.
That prediction is a little on the low side, but it's understandable given that none of the other films have really been huge hits at the box office.
This would be my prediction.
Opening Weekend: $35 - $45 million
Domestic Gross: $80 - $90 million
Worldwide Gross: $215 - $225 million
Even if it ends up being $65 million domestic total, that's gotta count for something since it would be higher than Predators' domestic total. Although if it has a bigger budget then I guess it would be a moot point.
Quote from: Tetsujin on Jul 20, 2018, 05:00:59 PM
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$ 28,000,000 - 3-Day Wide Opening
$ 65,000,000 - Domestic Total
https://pro.boxoffice.com/long-range-tracking-predator-simple-favor-white-boy-rick-highlight-mid-september/
I don't think those numbers are unrealistic for US distribution, although certainly not what FOX is hoping for, anything under a 100 million will be a disappointment, especially with the long reshoots and additional VFX.
I think the real money will be coming from foreign markets though, especially China.
Is it definitely getting a Chinese theatrical release? They only allow 30-40 Hollywood movies to screen a year, and they aren't super generous with their profit sharing. The Predator isn't a co-production, it's not a tentpole release, and it's a bloody R-rated film -- not a good combination for trying to get into the Chinese market. The Meg is slated for a Chinese release, but The Predator is only listed as showing in Hong Kong mid September.
No, a chinese release is not safe yet, although Covenant got a date there 14 days before it got released in the US, so there is still plenty of time, it added another 4 markets last week too.
I heard about China not being generous with their profit sharing, but it's still good to make 30 - 40% of a big market instead of making nothing at all.
It's only around 25-30%.
The other option is a "buy out" distribution deal. This is on top of the profit-sharing model of the 34-ish films a year China allows in. A distributor in China would agree to X amount for the film, and anything over that would stay in China. The highest payout so far for such a deal, however, was freakin' Resident Evil: The Final Chapter, for all of $7million.
And since China has no real rating system, The Predator would end up appearing as a heavily censored version -- which would probably put people off, as it did when they sliced 6 minutes out of Covenant.
I think it's safe to say that China is not the most comfortable market, but Covenant, a dark horror movie, as a cut-to-pieces version, still managed to make 45 million.
Let's say The Predator makes a meagre 20 million there, 25 - 30 % = 5 - 6 million... that would still make it one of the most important markets when it comes to foreign distribution, which for a Predator movie is an average of 3 - 4 million in the top markets like Germany, France, Brazil etc.
Still a good deal.
It's an interesting topic, but still, we need to know the movie's budget first.
Quotewhich for a Predator movie is an average of 3 - 4 million in the top markets like Germany, France, Brazil etc.
Still a good deal.
When you put it like that, even 4-5 million on a buy out deal would be worth it for Fox.
The $65m is still very optimistic
$55m is probably the top domestic
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 24, 2018, 01:40:11 PM
The $65m is still very optimistic
$55m is probably the top domestic
Most definitely not, Predators made $63m adjusted for inflation 8 years ago, aside from the AvP-trauma that still surrounded the release back then, this movie has a lot more buzz going for it, Shane Black, the bigger Predator (which actually gets very good responses on social media), good actors etc.
Plus the marketing for this movie is very good so far, you got the fan-app, life-size bust at theaters, gigantic banners hanging from buildings. All things that were absent when Predators came out.
No way is this making less cash.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 24, 2018, 01:51:53 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 24, 2018, 01:40:11 PM
The $65m is still very optimistic
$55m is probably the top domestic
Most definitely not, Predators made $63m adjusted for inflation 8 years ago, aside from the AvP-trauma that still surrounded the release back then, this movie has a lot more buzz going for it, Shane Black, the bigger Predator (which actually gets very good responses on social media), good actors etc.
Plus the marketing for this movie is very good so far, you got the fan-app, life-size bust at theaters, gigantic banners hanging from buildings. All things that were absent when Predators came out.
No way is this making less cash.
Totally true, i actually heard of Predators pretty much when it came out, not before.
Heard of Solo.
Reshoots. Fans. Good actors. Tons of money on promotions.
Careful what you want to believe.
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 24, 2018, 03:09:27 PM
Heard of Solo.
Reshoots. Fans. Good actors. Tons of money on promotions.
Careful what you want to believe.
For every Solo, there is a Mad Max Fury Road, yes, the one with the clusterf**k production that went on to make a shitload of money and became an incredible movie.
Not careful in the least.
There's also that other little movie called Predator that got shutdown half-way through filming.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 24, 2018, 04:17:48 PM
There's also that other little movie called Predator that got shutdown half-way through filming.
Predator was not a huge success on it's initial run though. As they point out in the BTS, it gained it's real traction later on.
It was financially successful. It didn't break records, but it didn't flop.
So I guess financially, for it's opening it just broke even then. I don't know much about the benefits a large opening can have on the longterm financial success of a film. A poor opening doesn't necessarily equate to a death sentence for a film, right? Someone else pointed out Fury Road...
Talking about Fury Road, i just spotted Thomas Jane's Fury Road shirt at Comic Con. Damn this guy has good taste !
Fury road was $150m production budget.
Advertising budget? Was it hyped as much as solo or gigli?
Max Pulled down $375m worldwide.
Mad Max had some really solid advertising, regardless of whether they spent lots of money on it or not, the trailer alone got people talking.
The Predator community needs a win. 90-100 million opening weekend. I guarantee.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 24, 2018, 05:41:40 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 24, 2018, 04:17:48 PM
There's also that other little movie called Predator that got shutdown half-way through filming.
Predator was not a huge success on it's initial run though. As they point out in the BTS, it gained it's real traction later on.
Ummm... no. Number 12 highest grossing movie of the year, right above movies like RoboCop, The Running Man, Full Metal Jacket, Wall Street etc., and adding international it's in the top ten.
98 million on an 18 million budget... that's a hit, and Arnold highest grossing movie at the time, by a long shot.
You don't make a sequel 2 years later to a movie that you lost money on. Now Predator 2... that's a different story.
Hope It become a succes because its a good movie, if the movie is bad i deserves nothing.
I dont think it will become a super hit, the plot is bizarre, a hybrid cgi predator, it sounds like shit, many people will pass...
A movie with only a pred with arny would had many more chances to become a succes
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 25, 2018, 09:45:09 AM
Ummm... no. Number 12 highest grossing movie of the year, right above movies like RoboCop, The Running Man, Full Metal Jacket, Wall Street etc., and adding international it's in the top ten.
Ummm...
yes. A. I didn't say it was a flop. I said it wasn't a
huge success. Number 12 is outside of the top ten bracket.
It wasn't a
huge success. It did well enough to warrant a sequel. I'm not pulling this out of my ass - This is coming from John Mctiernan, and producer John Davis' own respective mouth's..
"The official tab on this movie is that it has lost more than it's original cost." - John Mctiernan
"Well, I gotta be honest... Umm, I got a netpoint check, um, about two weeks ago from the studio on the movie, so, it seemingly has broke even." - John Davis
The first one doesn't mince words. The second makes it pretty clear it was not all that and a bag of chips. Yes, the film hit theaters like lightning, but it did not find it's real audience until home video. The reason Predator got a sequel was because of that initial theatrical boom.
Any word on the budget for the predator yet? Or any idea what it might be?
"An expensive spectacle" I take that to mean over 60 million. However the only rumor's I recall was 20 million which sounds asinine.
Madmax had about 99.9 good reviews out of 100 and was pretty much the best movie ever on release in reviews.
I think this will do well, it's got a good release date and people are always up for a bit of something different. I'll put my betting slip in at $80 million domestic, which is quite decent for this franchise.
UNLESS it's a complete stinker, but I've got a feeling the critics will like this one.
I hope for the best but least us not forget that this is a non comedy R-rated movie with just a hint of nostalgia.
Quote from: Highland on Jul 26, 2018, 12:40:53 PM
Madmax had about 99.9 good reviews out of 100 and was pretty much the best movie ever on release in reviews.
I think this will do well, it's got a good release date and people are always up for a bit of something different. I'll put my betting slip in at $80 million domestic, which is quite decent for this franchise.
UNLESS it's a complete stinker, but I've got a feeling the critics will like this one.
I have about the same expectation as you.
I will be very surprised if The Predator breaks 100M domestically...the crappy trailers don't help
60-80mil budget. Maybe more due to all the reshoots and changes.
230 (low) 325mil (high) worldwide when it's all said and done. But any bad word-of-mouth will drop it through the floor, and I think it's going to have a rough opening weekend domestically (US).
Also remember that The Predator has virtually no competition for around 3 or 4 weeks when it comes out. The September 14th release date was actually a perfect fit. There's not a single blockbuster to cripple The Predator up until Venom releases in October 5th.
Quote from: Danversity on Jul 27, 2018, 03:30:52 AM
Also remember that The Predator has virtually no competition for around 3 or 4 weeks when it comes out. The September 14th release date was actually a perfect fit. There's not a single blockbuster to cripple The Predator up until Venom releases in October 5th.
+ Halloween theme. Frankly, will be disappointed if 150m domestic not broken
I was just checking my local cinema's times for this week and it says that The Predator is out on the 12th September in the UK.
If this is true then 2 days early is awesome!
Quote from: goose_3387 on Jul 27, 2018, 05:52:50 AM
I was just checking my local cinema's times for this week and it says that The Predator is out on the 12th September in the UK.
If this is true then 2 days early is awesome!
Quite sure it's true, because here in Hungary it's 13th September.
Yep. ;)
UK - World premiere
IMDb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3829266/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_dt
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France - 17 October 2018 :(
Awesome news!!! 12th it is then.
Here in Brazil it's on the 13th, hoo-ray.
Quote from: Tetsujin on Jul 27, 2018, 06:49:53 AM
France - 17 October 2018 :(
That's the price to pay for us being sometimes such arrogant pricks unfortunately :laugh:
The September release date is prime to make some money if the movie is good. These movies have never been box office smashes honestly, but people want to see a good movie at the end of the day. It's going to have to be based off of word of mouth because at that point in time there won't be anything big for a audiences to see until October. It has the opportunity to make some decent money. I don't see it getting past 400 million worldwide but I'd love to be wrong. The better it does the faster we get a sequel.
September. No
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 27, 2018, 04:22:24 PM
September. No
No what?
The movie has 3 weeks of no competition thanks to it's September release date. If it had opened this summer or in August it would have been lost in the shuffle most likely.
At least they're not putting it out in January.
That would be a real worry. :laugh:
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 27, 2018, 04:51:33 PM
At least they're not putting it out in January.
That would be a real worry. :laugh:
https://youtu.be/H18RUB1cxfI?t=14s
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 27, 2018, 04:51:33 PM
At least they're not putting it out in January.
That would be a real worry. :laugh:
For the most part, yes, but studios are starting to release better movies in the early months of the year now and have success. Movies like Get Out, Deadpool, and Split were released in those months to outstanding success. However, normally they dump their shitty horror flicks or Gerard Butler action vehicles in those months. Late August - September is usually a dumping ground too but I think it's a good area for them to drop some good blockbusters. Very little competition there.
I assume is gonna do 150$ millons dollars worlwide at best, like it is doing really good and reviews are good and the word of mouth are good, but the movie looks pretty bad from even before the trailers came out and the trailer did not help get expectations up either.
I think it has chances of making $100mi domestic thanks to its release date.
Quote from: MudButt on Jul 27, 2018, 06:05:57 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 27, 2018, 04:51:33 PM
At least they're not putting it out in January.
That would be a real worry. :laugh:
For the most part, yes, but studios are starting to release better movies in the early months of the year now and have success. Movies like Get Out, Deadpool, and Split were released in those months to outstanding success. However, normally they dump their shitty horror flicks or Gerard Butler action vehicles in those months. Late August - September is usually a dumping ground too but I think it's a good area for them to drop some good blockbusters. Very little competition there.
March is the month of Gerry 'G-Butz' Butler
Jerry Butler the porn Star?
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 30, 2018, 09:46:21 PM
Jerry Butler the porn Star?
That's the one. Cods of Egypt was fantastic.
I don't think Predator or Alien will ever be the box office hits the studio wishes them to be. They're just not event movies anymore ( Predator probably never was to begin with honestly ). That could certainly change with the right approach, but what I'm seeing from the trailer doesn't scream box office gold. I'm just hoping for a good movie that doesn't completely flop at this point.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Aug 02, 2018, 06:07:14 AM
I don't think Predator or Alien will ever be the box office hits the studio wishes them to be. They're just not event movies anymore ( Predator probably never was to begin with honestly ). That could certainly change with the right approach, but what I'm seeing from the trailer doesn't scream box office gold. I'm just hoping for a good movie that doesn't completely flop at this point.
Agree + still think both properties would find new life on a streaming service.
If they take Alien, Predator and all the interesting stuff out of cinema because the films don't do gangbusters-
all you'll be left with is capeshit, big action films and Star Wars.
That would be a good way to ensure I never go to the pictures again.
How unfortunate for the pictures. :laugh:
It will be, I'm not alone- there's a reason RLM's recent video is #6 or something on trending, and they've went from a film review channel to increasingly being exhausted with the repetition of what's popular at the cinema being increasingly similar.
Cinema, art and entertainment will suffer for it. It'll be a cinematic monopoly of the same three things over and over.
The fact that Annihilation wasn't in the cinema was a shame, and it would be unfortunate for that to become the fate of all "middleware" in film.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Aug 02, 2018, 06:07:14 AM
I don't think Predator or Alien will ever be the box office hits the studio wishes them to be. They're just not event movies anymore ( Predator probably never was to begin with honestly ). That could certainly change with the right approach, but what I'm seeing from the trailer doesn't scream box office gold. I'm just hoping for a good movie that doesn't completely flop at this point.
Alien-6th highest grossing movie of the year
Aliens-7th highest grossing movie of the year
Predator-performed a bit better than Robocop
Prometheus-$400mm worldwide
Honestly the Alien franchise had the greatest momentum post-Aliens.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 02, 2018, 08:11:32 PM
It will be, I'm not alone- there's a reason RLM's recent video is #6 or something on trending, and they've went from a film review channel to increasingly being exhausted with the repetition of what's popular at the cinema being increasingly similar.
Cinema, art and entertainment will suffer for it. It'll be a cinematic monopoly of the same three things over and over.
The fact that Annihilation wasn't in the cinema was a shame, and it would be unfortunate for that to become the fate of all "middleware" in film.
Annihilation was indeed in the cinema because I saw it there. And whatever makes dollars makes sense. Studios will keep making their "capeshit" films because right now they earn billions of dollars.
And what does it matter how the content is viewed? You wouldn't watch AvP stuff on streaming?
Not in anywhere but a limited release in the US.
I don't want to watch AVP on streaming permanently though, I want to own a 4K blu-ray directed and written by people whom have ideas and that aren't simply yes men/women for what works in Alien and Predator, making things that are competent and nothing but.
Apart from that, it also affects how- and how much it is funded.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 02, 2018, 08:11:32 PM
It will be, I'm not alone- there's a reason RLM's recent video is #6 or something on trending, and they've went from a film review channel to increasingly being exhausted with the repetition of what's popular at the cinema being increasingly similar.
Cinema, art and entertainment will suffer for it. It'll be a cinematic monopoly of the same three things over and over.
The fact that Annihilation wasn't in the cinema was a shame, and it would be unfortunate for that to become the fate of all "middleware" in film.
Yeah, they need to adjust course.
Producers in particular need to look at what's coming across there desks and realize. "Okay. This is a mid tier, modestly budgeted film. We should make it the best thing we can for what it is."
Not every movie needs to be a tentpole picture. The B-Movies of yor just don't have a place, and those mid-tier movies that we used to get all the time are basically non-existant. If it ain't HUGE, or try to be, it doesn't have a spot.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 02, 2018, 08:50:10 PM
Not in anywhere but a limited release in the US.
I don't want to watch AVP on streaming permanently though, I want to own a 4K blu-ray directed and written by people whom have ideas and that aren't simply yes men/women for what works in Alien and Predator, making things that are competent and nothing but.
Apart from that, it also affects how- and how much it is funded.
It wouldn't necessarily affect the budget if you're familiar with Netflix's programming. Altered Carbon and all the Marvel shows seem pretty well funded to me. Not that the budget matters at all in terms of quality storytelling.
Not sure what you mean by "yes men," but often the same people who make films also produce and direct episodic shows. If you're a Ridley Scott fan you must know that Scott Free produces shows in addition to films, correct?
They are well funded, but not even B- film.
Budget totally does matter when you want to portray a believable otherworldly creature, or a couple- or one that changes form like the titular Alien.
You lose tons of potential for scale too, which the original Alien had. It's a completely different ball game. & I'm familiar with Netflix's original programming, I wouldn't roulette on their quality.
See OpenMaw's post, as I agree with him that the studios need to change their tactics not that AVP needs to go to a streaming service.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 03, 2018, 03:53:14 PM
They are well funded, but not even B- film.
Budget totally does matter when you want to portray a believable otherworldly creature, or a couple- or one that changes form like the titular Alien.
You lose tons of potential for scale too, which the original Alien had. It's a completely different ball game. & I'm familiar with Netflix's original programming, I wouldn't roulette on their quality.
See OpenMaw's post, as I agree with him that the studios need to change their tactics not that AVP needs to go to a streaming service.
So you wouldn't watch AvP on streaming.
What a silly thing to ask, most of us here would watch anything AVP, Alien/Predator but I was saying streaming is far from my preferred medium because apart from a multitude of other reasons, it has a penchant for playing it safe.
Unless you're Black Mirror, the 1%.
I'd much prefer;
"This is a mid tier, modestly budgeted film. We should make it the best thing we can, for what it is."
Over what we'd most likely get.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 03, 2018, 04:44:11 PM
What a silly thing to ask, most of us here would watch anything AVP, Alien/Predator but I was saying streaming is far from my preferred medium because apart from a multitude of other reasons, it has a penchant for playing it safe.
Unless you're Black Mirror, the 1%.
I'd much prefer;
"This is a mid tier, modestly budgeted film. We should make it the best thing we can, for what it is."
Over what we'd most likely get.
Can you elaborate on your opinion of Netflix "playing it safe," perhaps with some examples? There's also plenty of scale on their shows. I'm just curious about your multitude of reasons for not being a fan of streaming, because so far they don't 100% make sense. You mentioned streaming services don't fund their programs as well, even compared to B-movies. Will Smith, David Ayer, Adam Sandler, John Krasinski, Ryan Reynolds, and many others would disagree with you. Even Michael Bay is working with Netflix now and that guy's craft service budget is enough to probably fund a small country.
You seem to be under the impression that there's no place for moderate-low budget films in this age of comic book flicks, but how do you think Blumhouse, A24, etc. turn a profit? They make smaller budget fare that earns a modest enough return to put them in the green, and they keep churning them out and build revenue through sheer quantity. You may not hear or see as much marketing for them compared to superhero films, but that doesn't mean they don't have a place in modern cinema.
I think we want the same exact thing, I just used streaming as an example because it would be something new and I love to keep an open mind, especially in regard to AvP. Plus, a streaming series would simply offer more content at a more frequent pace. I'd rather not wait 5 years between films, with the uncertainty that takes place about the franchises' future always present in between.
You mentioned the studio needs to change tactics, and the first change they'd make is lowering the budget to a more modest one, thus affecting scale. So you can't have both, but what I'm saying is that scale doesn't matter as much as storytelling does. See Avatar as an example.
You also mentioned Alien as having scale, but it was a haunted house movie in space featuring a guy in a suit lathered up with K-Y jelly. It was also arguably the best film in the series, mainly because of the storytelling, not just the effects.
If done right, a 12 episode season of 1 hour shows coming out once a year or every couple of years would give the powers that be the opportunity to flesh out the universe that much more. More mediums means more avenues to explore stories. If I had my way, there'd be an Alien film in production or in the can awaiting release now, with a series or two on the side like Marvel.
You guys do know it's Disney's now?
I'm aware.
I'd say there have been very view movies made just for a streaming service that have been a universal hit critically and with the fans. I did enjoy Bright but it was not well received in general although it was one of the larger scale projects. Scorsese's next film releasing next year could be the first big project to release exclusively for a streaming service that will change people's minds on movies being sent straight to Netflix, Hulu, etc.
However Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, and hell even Youtube have all put out some of the best shows in recent years.
Blumhouse does make a lot of bad horror films, especially in their early years. But they've been making some really good movies lately. Insidious 1&2, Happy Death Day, Split, Get Out, Whiplash, to name a few. They've got Halloween and Glass coming up later this year and early next which I think will definitely help their credibility.
I think the Alien/Predator franchise is fine at Fox. I don't think a low budget or streaming series is what the franchise needs. It needs directors like Neil Blomkamp or Shane Black to try and reinvigorate the franchise and bring something new to it. It needs new talented directors. Ridley Scott tried to make the Xenomorph relevant again and while I like Covenant I know people didn't and it didn't do all that well in the box office.
These movies have never been giant money makers and there's a chance for it happen but we have to see better movies come out more frequently.
Agreed, apart from Neill Blomkamp.
Neill Blomkamp does satirical and heavy handed social-political work at his best.
That works perfectly for RoboCop, not Alien.
Nor is he too spectacular with a camera, which R.S, J.C, D.F and Shane Black all are.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 03, 2018, 06:48:42 PM
I ain't reading that.
EDIT: Ok, but I'll get back to you on that.
First off;
Will Smith, David Ayer and Adam Sandler are terrible examples for your argument to have credibility.
Blumhouse makes trash, jump-scare primary horror films that take no chances and appeal to a wide audience doing so. IT is a good example, even when it's well made it isn't inspired.
Alien would be nothing without it's storytelling true, but that storytelling was more in the design of the world and things inferred by it than in exposition.
There's less opportunity for that in a streaming service, so far that I have seen- I'm willing to admit I may be wrong on this, but nothing has totally blown me away that was created for streaming rather than was just hosted there.
I'd be fine with both a streaming service and films, but I don't want it to be Iron Fist tier.
No offense but everything you've written so far has been your own personal opinion, you're sidestepping, and you're in the minority judging by factual numbers and logic.
How are Will Smith, Ayer and Sandler poor examples of Netflix throwing huge budgets at films? Bright had a budget almost as big as Covenant.
You aren't offering anything to support your case that boils down to something other than "me no think this good...me think this bad because me no like..."
Happy to be in the minority. Wouldn't be the first time.
Bright is terrible, that's why I didn't deem it as mattering- it's budget was as big as Covenant?
Could've fooled me, looks like it was made on shoestring.
The best stuff on Netflix, was not made for Netflix- that's the fact of the matter.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 03, 2018, 10:29:30 PM
Happy to be in the minority. Wouldn't be the first time.
Bright is terrible, that's why I didn't deem it as mattering- it's budget was as big as Covenant?
Could've fooled me, looks like it was made on shoestring.
The best stuff on Netflix, was not made for Netflix- that's the fact of the matter.
That's your opinion of the matter, but I respect it. :)
I am afraid 30 M will be the domestic gross.
Quote from: David on Aug 15, 2018, 04:01:10 PM
I am afraid 30 M will be the domestic gross.
Not in a million years.
I'd be pleasantly surprised if this beats AvP Requiem's 130 million worldwide revenue
You guys are fretting too much. Let's be real, The Predator is the only real game in town for the month of September. It's bank if it's decent. There isn't that much in most of October as well. The production team knows this.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 16, 2018, 11:43:24 AM
You guys are fretting too much. Let's be real, The Predator is the only real game in town for the month of September. It's bank if it's decent. There isn't that much in most of October as well. The production team knows this.
Agreed. Perfect release date. Helped work wonders for It last year.
If this doesn't crush either AvP I would be shocked
Quote from: YTL_Hunter_H2 on Aug 16, 2018, 02:50:28 PM
If this doesn't crush either AvP I would be shocked
Agreed. Perfect release date + people are actually excited for the movie. I think it's gonna do very well.
Budgets up! $125 million
Where's that on?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2018, 05:49:50 PM
Where's that on?
Wiki - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Predator_(film)
QuoteRunning time - 101 minutes[2]
Country - United States
Language - English
Budget - $125 million
no link - fake! ;)
Ahhh, yeah, no link no convince.
Quote from: Tetsujin on Aug 18, 2018, 05:51:47 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2018, 05:49:50 PM
Where's that on?
Wiki - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Predator_(film)
Sorry fellas, forgot the link.
QuoteRunning time - 101 minutes[2]
Country - United States
Language - English
Budget - $125 million
no link - fake! ;)
Sorry fellas, forgot the link.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Predator_(film)
Weird 🤔
Although I speculate that the budget has to be somewhere between 65-90 million... we did just have a giant shark picture with a budget north of 130M. So 125M is plausible, especially from the trailer footage. The Picture looks top tier. It does have nostalgia working in it's favor as well. Also with what looks like a mundane fall season I think this will fill the seats.
I'm actually excited to see it. :)
Saw the $125 million budget on wikipedia earlier too. Weird that it was removed. Maybe it was fake after all? Or maybe someone's confirming that info.
Well the bets are on...
I say 90-95 millions !
A five million margin is reasonable ;D
I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's going to be the same as Covenant, dollar for dollar.
But it might earn just a tiny bit more. It's an action movie, it's been a long time since the last film, and now the possibility of the franchise getting shelved by Disney may cause people to turn out in greater numbers to see this "final" film on the big screen.
No changes in the forecast as of the 17th.
https://pro.boxoffice.com/long-range-tracking-bad-times-el-royale-first-man-goosebumps-haunted-halloween/
I honestly don't see where such low projections are coming from. I'm pretty sure the movie will blow the forecasts away.
I wouldnt give too much weight to their projections, The Meg had a higher opening weekend than their complete domestic forecast for that movie.
I think The Predator will probably land around 80 - 90m domestic, followed by a 150 - 180m foreign, depending on a China release. The movie has good buzz going, people seem excited, they have a good release date, not much competition, i think this movie can do really good.
65-70$ million is pretty spot on.
Add one boobie and it gets an extra 5mill.
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 21, 2018, 11:51:19 AM
65-70$ million is pretty spot on.
Add one boobie and it gets an extra 5mill.
3 of that 5mill will come from me.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 21, 2018, 09:15:01 AM
I wouldnt give too much weight to their projections, The Meg had a higher opening weekend than their complete domestic forecast for that movie.
I think The Predator will probably land around 80 - 90m domestic, followed by a 150 - 180m foreign, depending on a China release. The movie has good buzz going, people seem excited, they have a good release date, not much competition, i think this movie can do really good.
The Meg is exactly what I was thinking about. It opened with the double of what hey predicted.
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/predator-box-office-shane-black-reboot-opening-tracking-1202915431/
QuoteFox's "The Predator" should dominate the domestic box office with $25 million to $30 million in its opening weekend on Sept. 14-16, early tracking showed on Thursday.
We're getting closer here and that means tracking will get to around the amount the movie will actually make. I think this movie has a shot to get closer to 40-45 opening weekend but that will depend on the reviews.
Really hope it does well though. 30 million isn't the end of the world as long as it has legs over the next couple of weeks. I don't think anything huge comes out until Venom in early October so this movie has a chance to make some decent money domestically. I hope it does well overseas. Predator movies don't crush worldwide but this one could be different.
There's so many early showings. If it gets good word of mouth, it might make a stronger opening.
So it has a budget of like 100m? I guess it will do something like 300m worldwide by the end of its course, maybe more if the word of mouth/reviews are good.
I'm seeing this September 13th at 7:00 PM. Good or bad I will scream at people to go see it! Just so we don't have to wait 8 years for another.
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 21, 2018, 11:51:19 AM
Add one boobie and it gets an extra 5mill.
We're talking about a movie, not a Congressional Aide. :D
The movie's been getting pretty popular here in Brazil, lots of people are excited.
Quote from: Tetsujin on Aug 23, 2018, 07:13:38 PM
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/predator-box-office-shane-black-reboot-opening-tracking-1202915431/
QuoteFox's "The Predator" should dominate the domestic box office with $25 million to $30 million in its opening weekend on Sept. 14-16, early tracking showed on Thursday.
To be honest, that would be catastrophic. Predator movies are very front-loaded, if it only makes 30 million opening weekend it will end up around 60 million by the end of it's run, which would actually be less cash that what
Predators made, adjusted for inflation.
With a possible price tag of 70+ million plus the pricey marketing that is certainly not what FOX is hoping for.
If that ends up being true, we get the next movie in 8 - 10 years.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Aug 24, 2018, 10:11:30 AM
Quote from: Tetsujin on Aug 23, 2018, 07:13:38 PM
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/predator-box-office-shane-black-reboot-opening-tracking-1202915431/
QuoteFox's "The Predator" should dominate the domestic box office with $25 million to $30 million in its opening weekend on Sept. 14-16, early tracking showed on Thursday.
To be honest, that would be catastrophic. Predator movies are very front-loaded, if it only makes 30 million opening weekend it will end up around 60 million by the end of it's run, which would actually be less cash that what Predators made, adjusted for inflation.
With a possible price tag of 70+ million plus the pricey marketing that is certainly not what FOX is hoping for.
If that ends up being true, we get the next movie in 8 - 10 years.
I saw The Meg this week (UK). Different rating to Predator but looking at the audience, it was the perfect audience for a Predator movie. There was no trailer in front of Meg. No posters in the foyer or corridors.
I think these days US and Worldwide box offices are about 50/50 sop worldwide it'll probably do about 60 total first weekend which isn't really that bad as it'll almost be the production budget back (if the rumours of cost are true)
I feel this movie will exceed box office expectations like The Meg. 8)
John Campea on The Predator's opening projections.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szz-T_3jwRA&t=0s
With Meg now hitting 400mil, it will be interesting to see how this one does at the box office.
I wonder if this will hit Bluray by Christmas?
The Meg is also pg-13, though. Talk about prime box office real estate. They picked the best time to release it, and all of its would be opposition tanked in the states thus far.
The latest tracking has gone up slightly - https://pro.boxoffice.com/long-range-tracking-star-born-hunter-killer-johnny-english-strikes/
Opening Weekend: 30,000,000
Domestic Total: 66,000,000
Last forecast has actually gone up. It was on the 7th so probably doesn't take into account the reviews and sex offender press.
Opening Weekend: 31,000,000
Domestic Total: 68,000,000
https://pro.boxoffice.com/long-range-tracking-bohemian-rhapsody-nobodys-fool-nutcracker-four-realms/
I don't think we'll get another forecast before the film opens.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Predator_(film)
Wiki has the budget at $88 million
Yes, but...
Wiki - link - https://www.thewrap.com/this-weekends-box-office-showdown-nun-vs-predator/
QuoteThis Weekend's Box Office Showdown: 'Nun' vs 'Predator'
A demonic nun and a race of extraterrestrial hunters will go head-to-head at the box office this weekend as 20th Century Fox's "The Predator" will take on "The Nun" in its second weekend, with analysts expecting "The Predator" to take the top spot, albeit with rather lackluster numbers.
Releasing this weekend on over 4,000 screens, "The Predator" is expected to earn an opening weekend in the high $20 million range, with the top end of independent projections standing at $30 million. By comparison, last year's "Alien: Covenant" opened to $36.1 million in May and went on to gross just $74.2 million domestically and $240 million worldwide against a $97 million budget.
While "The Predator" would hold the highest opening weekend for the 31-year-old franchise, it's also by far the most expensive in the series with a reported production budget of $88 million. The original 1987 film starring Arnold Schwarzenegger was produced on a $15 million budget — around $30 million in today's money — and the 2010 film "Predators," which opened to $24.6 million, had a budget of $40 million. With such a high price tag, such tracking shows "The Predator" faces an uphill battle to profitability.
These are some low projections (in my opinion). It doesn't look good for this film if the opening weekend take is below 30mil. We'll see what happens.
Gotta wonder if the negative press/controversy is going to hurt it (and to what extent).
https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/1040363522608136193
Quote from: ace3g on Sep 14, 2018, 12:03:00 AM
https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/1040363522608136193
Well that's a bit more positive then. Hopefully it does well enough for Disney to look at doing another movie in the future or finally do a good AvP movie one day.
I saw the movie at 4 pm today, and it was 98% empty...
Quote from: ace3g on Sep 14, 2018, 12:03:00 AM
https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/1040363522608136193
It won't be hard to make more than Predator 2 in comparison to its budget. It would be great if it was comparable to Predators (3 times the budget), but with a budget of 88 million... as a R-rated movie that will be hard, it will need to make more than Covenant. Dumb and fun movies tend to get lucky and make lots of money, maybe the stupidity in the movie can work on its favor.
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 14, 2018, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Sep 14, 2018, 12:03:00 AM
https://twitter.com/slashfilm/status/1040363522608136193
Well that's a bit more positive then. Hopefully it does well enough for Disney to look at doing another movie in the future or finally do a good AvP movie one day.
I'd second this notion.
The two franchises are more compatible than people give it credit for.
It's gonna be a flop.
Worse, it's going to be a flop because although it's entertaining, over all it's just a bad movie. This could be a sad moment in Predator history.
i hope the overseas box office can save it the movie was so good ( crossing fingers)
Quote from: dHunter333 on Sep 15, 2018, 02:13:33 AM
I saw the movie at 4 pm today, and it was 98% empty...
I went 19.40h in Imax, 98% sold.
The Hague, Netherlands by the way, and I've seen little to no promotion on the title.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Sep 15, 2018, 10:54:40 AM
Quote from: dHunter333 on Sep 15, 2018, 02:13:33 AM
I saw the movie at 4 pm today, and it was 98% empty...
I went 19.40h in Imax, 98% sold.
i went earlie too and it was only me and 3 others but not in imax
but ok most people would be at work at the time i went.
Went to the first IMAX showing at 7:10 PM and was number 12, altogether there was maybe 40 people.
My screening was full to the brim
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 15, 2018, 01:52:07 PM
My screening was full to the brim
that's great news ! ;D
Half of the audience self destructed when leaving the cinema...😏 I'm just gutted I fell for it (again! Fallen kingdom being the other) argh.
I'm sure they appreciate your money regardless.
I went yesterday at prime hour, its always full but it was half empty... Most of people was dissapointed in the end, even saw a finger to the final scene
Quote'The Predator' Box Office: Sci-Fi Sequel Disappoints With $10.5M Friday
20th Century Fox's The Predator was the top movie on Friday, ending a five-week rein for Warner Bros./Time Warner Inc. The Shane Black-directed and Fred Dekker-penned sequel to the first three Predator movies (sans any Alien involvement) earned $10.45 million on Friday, including $2.5m in Thursday previews. That compares to the $10.4m Friday of 2010's Predators ($12.5m adjusted for inflation) and the $9.5m opening Tuesday (Christmas Day) of Alien vs. Predator: Requiem ($12.8m adjusted for inflation). But those two spin-offs/sequels cost around $40m to produce while this installment cost $88m. In this case, the budget is what may be what breaks the movie.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/09/15/box-office-predator-friday-11m-olivia-munn-shane-black/#4696cee11759
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 15, 2018, 03:31:04 PM
Quote'The Predator' Box Office: Sci-Fi Sequel Disappoints With $10.5M Friday
20th Century Fox's The Predator was the top movie on Friday, ending a five-week rein for Warner Bros./Time Warner Inc. The Shane Black-directed and Fred Dekker-penned sequel to the first three Predator movies (sans any Alien involvement) earned $10.45 million on Friday, including $2.5m in Thursday previews. That compares to the $10.4m Friday of 2010's Predators ($12.5m adjusted for inflation) and the $9.5m opening Tuesday (Christmas Day) of Alien vs. Predator: Requiem ($12.8m adjusted for inflation). But those two spin-offs/sequels cost around $40m to produce while this installment cost $88m. In this case, the budget is what may be what breaks the movie.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/09/15/box-office-predator-friday-11m-olivia-munn-shane-black/#4696cee11759
remember thats only friday + its from america only too so all hope is not lost yet :)
CHYNA
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 15, 2018, 03:31:04 PM
QuoteIn this case, the budget is what may be what breaks the movie.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/09/15/box-office-predator-friday-11m-olivia-munn-shane-black/#4696cee11759
Yep, and I'm still suprised Fox gave such a budget for a predator movie.
https://variety.com/2018/film/box-office/the-predator-box-office-a-simple-favor-white-boy-rick-unbroken-1202943204/
How did they spend that much on the budget for this? It looks like a 50/60 million max movie.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 15, 2018, 09:02:00 PM
How did they spend that much on the budget for this? It looks like a 50/60 million max movie.
Maybe all the reshoots forced Fox to give more money. All the money used on the original third act was wasted.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 15, 2018, 09:15:44 PM
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 15, 2018, 09:02:00 PM
How did they spend that much on the budget for this? It looks like a 50/60 million max movie.
Maybe all the reshoots forced Fox to give more money. All the money used on the original third act was wasted.
I guess so.
Who did the Upgrade CGI for this?
The cgi is atrocius, but theres one scene with the upgrade wich is playstation 1 level...
BOM'S friday results for The Predator - $10,450,000 @ 4,037 theaters
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscreencrush.com%2Ffiles%2F2018%2F09%2Fthe-predator.jpg%3Fw%3D600%26amp%3Bh%3D0%26amp%3Bzc%3D1%26amp%3Bs%3D0%26amp%3Ba%3Dt%26amp%3Bq%3D89&hash=20953bd09a2b6bc7d1816813e5c11d2b98a78970)
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 15, 2018, 09:47:46 PM
The cgi is atrocius, but theres one scene with the upgrade wich is playstation 1 level...
A lot of it is terrible.
However the one thing I don't feel bad about it spending money on seeing the movie in IMAX. It was worth the ticket price even if the movie wasn't all that great.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 15, 2018, 09:02:00 PM
How did they spend that much on the budget for this? It looks like a 50/60 million max movie.
rememeber shane black said fox was kind enough to give him extra money for the reshoots of the 3rd act
( and from shanes own words) it was expensive.
Box office takings have been released: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/09/16/box-office-predator-olivia-munn-shane-black-24m-fox/#68fcca081ea6
$24m domestically and $30m overseas. Budget was $88m.
Manager of my local vue cinema (uk) said he hasn't seen a single screening even hit 40% capacity. I'm unsure if it'll even make its budget back on cinema release. May do well on blu Ray ect
Quote from: Darkness on Sep 16, 2018, 03:28:38 PM
Box office takings have been released: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/09/16/box-office-predator-olivia-munn-shane-black-24m-fox/#68fcca081ea6
$24m domesitcally and $30m overseas. Budget was $88m.
ouch this is like watching the han solo box office uuuuuuuuuf.
Jesus, i dont think this film could of done any worse! Pretty sure shane and fred are going to be out of work for awhile.
Quote from: Beans81 on Sep 16, 2018, 03:43:10 PM
Manager of my local vue cinema (uk) said he hasn't seen a single screening even hit 40% capacity. I'm unsure if it'll even make its budget back on cinema release. May do well on blu Ray ect
Yeah, I went to my Cineworld on Friday night expecting it to be packed and there wasn't many people in at all.
honestly if i was fox right now i think i would pull a Annihilation and sell it to netflix.
i think that way fox could make more money on the predator than continue the cinema run.
Fugitive that would be the best thing for this franchise, fox have ran this thing into the ground, a new studio is needed at this point , with a new vision etc. amazon or netflix would be ideal. The Predator tv series, would be interesting imo. you could try out lots of different ideas, without having to worry as much about box office performance. it might be the breath of fresh air the franchise needs.
Classic overestimation of fans.
Sad it's not doing well.
But it was 100% expected.
It was to be direct to video/streaming in the first place.
Fox gambled.
https://twitter.com/ERCboxoffice/status/1041356579759566849
Quote from: Fugitive Predator on Sep 16, 2018, 04:00:29 PM
honestly if i was fox right now i think i would pull a Annihilation and sell it to netflix.
i think that way fox could make more money on the predator than continue the cinema run.
Interesting idea.
It wouldn't happen with Disney's buy out of Fox but I'd like to see someone like Gunn reboot the franchise.
With Disney's business model to only produce family friendly movies I can see them letting it leave the studio. Unless they do decide to use the end scene of a jumping off point & take it to a MCU type level (rolls eyes)
Quote from: Beans81 on Sep 16, 2018, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: Fugitive Predator on Sep 16, 2018, 04:00:29 PM
honestly if i was fox right now i think i would pull a Annihilation and sell it to netflix.
i think that way fox could make more money on the predator than continue the cinema run.
Interesting idea.
It wouldn't happen with Disney's buy out of Fox but I'd like to see someone like Gunn reboot the franchise.
With Disney's business model to only produce family friendly movies I can see them letting it leave the studio. Unless they do decide to use the end scene of a jumping off point & take it to a MCU type level (rolls eyes)
to be fair i think that would do more damage with all the gunn pedo stuff.
we should make a petition for amazon or netflix to make a t.v series about dutch. that way you are not remaking the original, and creating a dynamic story that could go for a few series. I think it could really work , in the right hands.
Quote from: Vermillion on Sep 16, 2018, 04:09:15 PM
Classic overestimation of fans.
Sad it's not doing well.
But it was 100% expected.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 16, 2018, 04:23:27 PM
we should make a petition for amazon or netflix to make a t.v series about dutch. that way you are not remaking the original, and creating a dynamic story that could go for a few series. I think it could really work , in the right hands.
sadly when has a petition ever worked but i dont see a tv series ever happening.
yeah one can hope though right? lol
You know I would be happy if the movie flops big time. It is a franchise killer and I dont want to se this continue. Just a trully horrible mess.
I don't see how Predator could work as a TV series.
Predator has action and tension in it's DNA.
There's no place for rumination, because all you have is the creature.
No world or universe to explore.
Alien on the other hand...
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 04:45:32 PM
I don't see how Predator could work as a TV series.
Predator has action and tension in it's DNA.
There's no place for rumination, because all you have is the creature.
No world or universe to explore.
Alien on the other hand...
Then they can create a world and universe to explore. Quite a lot is already established in the comics, even if they don't use it directly it's solid inspiration. And have you never watched a TV show that had you on the edge of your seat and you had to binge it all in one go because you just couldn't wait to see what happens next?
I agree the negitive reviews or the incident with Shane Black's friend won't of done this film many favours. But i also think it's due to the first couple of trailers for "The Predator" looking like shit. The hype train, never really taking momentum and non die hard Pred fans stopped caring after the first trailer(s) dropped. Yes the final trailer was great, but was a little late in my option.
Just got back from watching the movie have to say it was average at best. The movie was chopped to pieces in the editing room, characters just disappeared and scenes seemed missing overall a mess, with some okay action and violence. The cinema was empty barely 10 people on the showing. I'm from the UK. This is the end of the franchise for at least a decade or more.
Quote from: Fugitive Predator on Sep 16, 2018, 04:19:17 PM
Quote from: Beans81 on Sep 16, 2018, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: Fugitive Predator on Sep 16, 2018, 04:00:29 PM
honestly if i was fox right now i think i would pull a Annihilation and sell it to netflix.
i think that way fox could make more money on the predator than continue the cinema run.
Interesting idea.
It wouldn't happen with Disney's buy out of Fox but I'd like to see someone like Gunn reboot the franchise.
With Disney's business model to only produce family friendly movies I can see them letting it leave the studio. Unless they do decide to use the end scene of a jumping off point & take it to a MCU type level (rolls eyes)
to be fair i think that would do more damage with all the gunn pedo stuff.
Not necessarily Gunn. Just someone like him.
oh but no china box office yet ?
Quote from: yautjapet on Sep 16, 2018, 04:51:23 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 04:45:32 PM
I don't see how Predator could work as a TV series.
Predator has action and tension in it's DNA.
There's no place for rumination, because all you have is the creature.
No world or universe to explore.
Alien on the other hand...
Then they can create a world and universe to explore. Quite a lot is already established in the comics, even if they don't use it directly it's solid inspiration. And have you never watched a TV show that had you on the edge of your seat and you had to binge it all in one go because you just couldn't wait to see what happens next?
The point is, you can't have the Predator in every episode- even a generous budget wouldn't support that.
So then you're left with a show about a creature that will only appear 1/3 of the time- with no other intrigue to explore that was present in the original.
Alien has a world established in the 1979 film with lots of elements to explore, "A L I E N" itself also being a term for fear of the foreign.
With the philosophical themes more present in the prequels, there's an abundance of established ideas to explore.
Predator has no established ideas to explore, and therefore nothing to attract people to that potential project.
But it can't be about just anything, it has to be about "Predator" which can't be done in a TV format.
If we are talking about the series' story revolving around the standard hunt, then absolutely not. You'd be dragging out a simple story throughout the length of a series. It would turn into a case of The Walking Dead- probably worse...
There is a lot that can be done with the predator creature themselves but that involves really getting into the nitty gritty of their society and perhaps taking us to their home world or another alien hunting planet all together. Fact of the matter is that the Predators are an intelligent species with a presumed culture. There's a lot that you can do with something like this considering how we know each predator has their own personality and thought process. That, for me, makes them a bit more interesting than the xenomorph, in that it opens more doors for different stories and characters (both human and alien/predator alike). But for them to further establish the lore and completely unveil their culture will surely leave the panties of many in a bunch. Most don't want to see anything past what the first or second movies showed us. There's no denying it would take the risk of straying away from the tone established within the first movie and we've already kind of seen it.
At any rate, I truly hope we see a future instalment play up on the predator language more because that was something I loved from the new movie.
Something I want to add: I'm not too sure how popular science fiction is anymore. I feel like most people just aren't interested in this genre. Sure Star Wars is successful but that's a given.
Not to sound like Lisa Simpson at the end of "Malbu Stacy/Lisa Lionheart" or Homer Simpson premier of "Poochie".
I liked THE PREDATOR and gave it a 5/5. My opinion still stands.
That said box office says that AVP and AVP-R did fair better at the box office and on home blu-ray so............ahem.
ALIENS VS PREDATOR-3 now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for my last comment this seems to be a trending/shared topic. Let's silence the critics while we are rebooting each franchise under the trojan horse of expected mediocracy to launch a surprise attack.
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Sep 16, 2018, 05:51:05 PM
Not to sound like Lisa Simpson at the end of "Malbu Stacy/Lisa Lionheart" or Homer Simpson premier of "Poochie".
I liked THE PREDATOR and gave it a 5/5. My opinion still stands.
That said box office says that AVP and AVP-R did fair better at the box office and on home blu-ray so............ahem.
ALIENS VS PREDATOR-3 now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for my last comment this seems to be a trending/shared topic. Let's silence the critics while we are rebooting each franchise under the trojan horse of expected mediocracy to launch a surprise attack.
you know i woulden't mind a avp 3 hopefully 3rd times the charm :D
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 16, 2018, 05:50:27 PM
If we are talking about the series' story revolving around the standard hunt, then absolutely not. You'd be dragging out a simple story throughout the length of a series. It would turn into a case of The Walking Dead- probably worse...
But then you're basically just humanising the Predator because that's our point of reference, no matter what you do. So why bother?
So it's probably not going to make mega money (as expected anyway) but a change it will make back it's budget with China and a few more weeks in the US and Europe, so hopefully it won't be a total bomb.
The old one, right so that's like saying you can't have a super hero in every episode because a budget wouldn't allow it, (heroes anyone)
Not to mention predator is just a man in a suit... yeah its going to break the budget that isn't it??...lol
Look its been proven time and time again, that t.v series can be way more suspenseful than movies can be. You have a lot of time in a t.v show to work with, to flesh characters out more than you do in a movie. Which would work in Predators favour not against it. Because every death on screen would be felt, because you have had time to get to know them. Also i disagree with you about predator doesn't have a world to explore, if anything predator is crying out to be explored further. We now pretty much know everything there is to know about the xenomorphs. The same cannot be said about Predator. I'v always said this, the problem with Predator is there isn't enough cohesiveness to its story, its this that has ultimately hurt the franchise through the years because nothing really connected together. There is no deeper story line going on where the viewer can look forward to next one. For me a t.v series could correct that.
A t.v show would also allow directors and producers to try ideas out that might not of been passed with a big budget movie. You can take more risks with television and be more creative.
The more i think about a Predator t.v series, the more i see its potential.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 16, 2018, 06:04:57 PM
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 16, 2018, 05:50:27 PM
If we are talking about the series' story revolving around the standard hunt, then absolutely not. You'd be dragging out a simple story throughout the length of a series. It would turn into a case of The Walking Dead- probably worse...
But then you're basically just humanising the Predator because that's our point of reference, no matter what you do. So why bother?
The comics have already done this to a certain extent, and I'm fine with it. The movies have also done their share in humanizing - like their architecture in AvP, communication/interactions in The Predator, there are bits and pieces littered throughout what's already been provided to fans. But then we could also argue, is that really humanization or just major milestones that all civilizations reach at some point in their development.
I think ultimately the humanization idea is really up to personal taste - some people want the creature to remain entirely in the shadows, others want it fully exposed complete with mythos and lore, etc. I think we could have a series that can carry recurring Predator characters without them completely mirroring humanity and maintaining a lot of the elements that make them the "other", but it would all boil down to very clever writing. The novels have done an
excellent job at doing this.
I'm against anything being humanised in realistic or serious Sci-Fi that isn't indeed human. I will agree to disagree on that one.
& I feel the thing is, as I've repeated as nausea- Alien has elements that can be explored outside the creature. Predator as it stands does not.
Even the best superhero shows have lackluster costumes (Daredevil) or none at all.
(Jessica Jones) But I concede there's some good cosplay costumes that are perhaps inexpensive, just articulating the face would be cost intensive.
Wysps im not against "humanization" just as long as it feels weighty and holds substance. I wouldn't want it like district 9 for example. But the idea of being able to "understand" predators, i could get fully behind. I also don't think it goes against whats been established, predator 1 and 2 showed them speaking in English, if they can understand us, why shouldn't we be able to understand them?
"& I feel the thing is, as I've repeated as nausea- Alien has elements that can be explored outside the creature. Predator as it stands does not."
So predator is now just a mindless killing creature like alien is it? How does Predator not have elements that could be explored further?
"as it stands does not"
Thats my point it hasn't been wrote yet so its not going to is it? That doesn't mean it can't have.
How can they have this number when Sunday isn't over yet?
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 16, 2018, 06:28:16 PM
That's my point it hasn't been written yet.
That doesn't mean it can't be.
It's been 30 years, c'mon- it is what it is and that's a concept that has always been one note.
& The Predator is a Hunter first and foremost-
which I don't see how you can expand upon apart from in some broad strokes as in the novels.
Even if you could get a talented writer to do it, I don't see the point.
I admit, I still have a hard time understanding this deep fear of humanizing the predator - because we already know for a fact they are intelligent, sapient, and have a culture and traditions along with their own unique personalities, behaviors, and thoughts. We're not ascribing anything to them that isn't already there. Even if you ignore the comics, it's all on screen. And "the point" is that a lot of people would enjoy seeing it, and it could utilize this known franchise character in a way that isn't the same regurgitated tropes. You don't have to show the homeworld or expose every bit of their society to craft lore around them, and doing that in turn doesn't automatically mean you have to make them chummy with humans and destroy all mystery and tension.
I disagree, I believe it would be a mistake- it would essentially be a Predator no longer.
It would in essence be a human in tribal gear brought up in a different culture.
Quote from: yautjapet on Sep 16, 2018, 08:13:41 PM
I admit, I still have a hard time understanding this deep fear of humanizing the predator - because we already know for a fact they are intelligent, sapient, and have a culture and traditions along with their own unique personalities, behaviors, and thoughts. We're not ascribing anything to them that isn't already there. Even if you ignore the comics, it's all on screen. And "the point" is that a lot of people would enjoy seeing it, and it could utilize this known franchise character in a way that isn't the same regurgitated tropes. You don't have to show the homeworld or expose every bit of their society to craft lore around them, and doing that in turn doesn't automatically mean you have to make them chummy with humans and destroy all mystery and tension.
Agreed. I can't believe "civilization" is exclusively a human thing, if there are indeed other sentient/salient life forms out there. And the bold part, right on. The novels have already done a great job of portraying this.
Maybe they don't have civilizations. Maybe they're all renegades that asexually reproduce to make their tribes. Each tribe is essentially just themselves cloning over and over again. They have to evolve in a bubble, create their own tech, oh and they live for 1000s of years.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Sep 16, 2018, 09:24:32 PM
Maybe they don't have civilizations. Maybe they're all renegades that asexually reproduce to make their tribes. Each tribe is essentially just themselves cloning over and over again. They have to evolve in a bubble, create their own tech, oh and they live for 1000s of years.
That would be a helluva lot of wisdom right there ;)
yeah i wouldn't even call it humanization, they are intergalactic intelligent humanoid alien tribal hunters with technology we can only dream of, why wouldn't they have complex conversations with one another, and have intelligence, they have their own language, they have always been somewhat reminiscent to human beings from day one. here is the list............
They are technologically advanced- we are technologically advanced.
They have their own language - we have our own languages.
They are hunters- we are hunters.
They are humanoid- we are humanoid.
They have culture, codes and practices- we have culture codes and practices.
They are tribal- we are tribal.
They grieve- we grieve (end of predator 2 anyone?)
They even have humor- we have humor
My point here, is predator has always had an element of humanization, the fact the very first predator was talking english should be telling people that.
I really do not see how understanding the way they communicate with each other is taking away from what they are.
They will always be aliens, its just they share a lot of common ground with us humans, i always assumed this is why we are their chosen ultimate prey.
That box office is atrocious.
I think the Predators are at least in the comics regarded as a nomadic tribal race and the Predator has always been a human in a rubber suit. So yes, they are people.
Lame™
I prefer it when those elements are inferred, not outright stated.
IMO of course before anyone argues with me.
"I prefer it when those elements are inferred, not outright stated"
But just because you don't like them , doesn't mean they are not there. The simple fact is those elements have always been there from the very first movie....
If predators are not comparable to humans, "thats only in your head" The old one. ;D
If Predators are essentially just humans, I'd just rather read Saga instead.
Success then in convincing me Alien and Predator shouldn't inhabit the same universe though.
(I never said "that's only in your head"- just FYI.)
Well.....for what it's worth.....it's number one at the box office......at the moment.
Not sure why people think predators are being humanised. They're no more human now in their behaviour than in the original predator movie.
The whole hybridisation thing where predators use human DNA and that of other species to upgrade their own is not impossible, but a lot of genes would be pretty much unusable because of compatibility issues. But the problem with that is what if the genes that made their trophy kills, superior beings were not cross-species compatible?
Despite the flaws in this expansion to the predators background, I still quite enjoyed this aspect of the film. They're now more than just game hunting aliens as they always were. At least Black recognised that you can't put the genie back in the bottle, and instead made a different kind of movie instead of a dumb ass rehash *cough* Predators *cough*. The only way to "recapture" the magic is actually to just make a new bottle with another genie inside.
and do we all wake up and go to work at starbucks no
so why cant predators have a tech and science group???
that's what this classic tale of aka spy vs spy is about,,
I personally enjoyed the film
opens new doors
I enjoyed some of the newer ideas introduced too.
But I'm not saying for them to show their freckled face kids working in the grocery store or anything, a television series just needs more than the average hunt to keep things interesting. Perhaps not their home world but taking it back to the hunting preserve planet idea. That could potentially hold up for a tv series, especially if they play up on the upgrade/bad blood concepts. Make it so that some type of battle breaks out between two clans in the midst of a hunt.
I was always annoyed that they never really utilized any neat predator dwellings/locations in Predators. Like have intense action sequences where the characters have to work with these abandoned alien environments. Just some ideas in mind.
Ultimately it's the human characters that would need to be developed well in order to attract casual viewers. Then they may be able to establish a handful of Predator characters with different personalities and intentions.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 16, 2018, 11:12:50 PM
But just because you don't like them , doesn't mean they are not there. The simple fact is those elements have always been there from the very first movie.
Just to get something straight, it's not what was introduce that I'm upset about but the way it was executed. The tone and mannerism of the movie is what's unwanted. The Predator is very human like because it is portrayed by a man in a suit. The same like the Alien and any random Star Trek character. The genetics and enhancement and even the theme of those with disabilities being able to contribute in Earth's defense isn't what's wrong with the film. It's the Lame™ post 2000's humor, video game achievement and utter lack of seriousness to the film that's bringing it down.
I mean in all honesty, a Predator movie shouldn't be a comedy. I'll call it right now, if this was an AVP movie, this would have been awesome. All three Predator movies before this were not jokes. They were serious takes on combat against an alien life form that focused on the hunt. I don't think changing up the motives of a Predator is the problem, the problem is that the movie should have been serious. Also to be clear, the loonies aren't the comedic problem with the movie... until late in the 3rd act.
Spoiler
The guy Jumping and stabbing the predator while on fire was cool though.
Putting that in a spoiler just in case.
The movie was absolute junk. I'm sorry. It was incoherent, folks were just driving around out of nowhere. And the predator dogs were just a joke
Very sad to the franchise like this
Grew up watching predator on vhs
Predator 2 was my first r rated movie in the theater, so the franchise has a special place in my heart
Saw the movie last night , rushed home and turned predator 2 on to get the bad taste out of my mouth
Super predator was not impressive
Dogs were dumb
Movie stopped At 10 minutes at a time so people could tell dumb vulgar jokes
Jokes in predator helped develop the characters. These didn't
Wikipedia has it up to 54.7 million now. Not bad.
Does anyone have an estimate on what the marketing costs were for this film?
Rough generic estimated guess is about 40 million. The reported budget was 88M after all. The bad math is that it opened less than Predators and cost twice as much to make and market. It's looking at a 2.1 multiplier too. Simple math puts it's total domestic gross at 51M. So yea, even with a 3 multiplier it's not going to make a profit even with over seas figures tallied. At the moment I have no idea what those markets have done.
The movie had to have opened at 45M or greater in the US to turn a profit. In my opinion.
Given the quality of the movie, i sadly but really hope it does not do much.
My expectations were pretty low going into it, and, well, my expectations weren't exceeded. At least I didn't leave disappointed! Lol
That being said, the movie hype did spawn some great new books and comics which I've been thoroughly enjoying so far!
It had great moments and it had moments that did not fit . I hope they build off of what worked.fugitive predator was dope.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/09/13/box-office-the-predator-must-break-records-to-break-even-shane-black-olivia-munn/#4973735c983a
would have been better if this was a 40 to 50 million dollar movie.
I think a great new Avp film would put the franchises back on track. Both series have not been doing good individualy. I don't think anyone wants a sequel to The Predator.
I think Avp 2004 is underrated.
Colonial marines, predators and aliens... Win!
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Sep 17, 2018, 05:51:57 AM
I think a great new Avp film would put the franchises back on track. Both series have not been doing good individualy. I don't think anyone wants a sequel to The Predator.
I think Avp 2004 is underrated.
i think you are right, but at the same time we haven't even had a great avp movie yet
so i think it would just be more of the same.
When you've created a tonal and aesthetic bridge between the two series, then you can create AVP.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4438&p=.htm
Some specific wording on this one -
Quote20th Century Fox's release of The Predator may have topped the weekend box office, but whether it was the controversy swirling around the film, dwindling franchise interest or a combination of both, the film delivered the lowest opening weekend gross for a live-action film debuting in over 4,000 theaters.
It pains me but I don't expect to see this remain in cinemas for long.
Yeah. This is sucky. I honestly don't think the film deserves such negativity.
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 17, 2018, 07:36:33 AM
Colonial marines, predators and aliens... Win!
Yeah I'm still baffled they didn't just go this direction from the start. Aliens and the original Predator are very similar in design (wise cracking soldiers / marines vs an unknown alien force) and it just works. The AvP comics followed the formula successfully and the AvP games also followed that formula successfully, so making a good AvP movie shouldn't have been been all that difficult (same goes for the other Alien and Predator sequels)
If it ain't broke don't fix it but Hollywood always likes to think it knows better, plus writing forgettable characters with zero personality didn't help either and ....... well we all know what happened.....twice !
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 17, 2018, 08:57:22 AM
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4438&p=.htm
Some specific wording on this one -
Quote20th Century Fox's release of The Predator may have topped the weekend box office, but whether it was the controversy swirling around the film, dwindling franchise interest or a combination of both, the film delivered the lowest opening weekend gross for a live-action film debuting in over 4,000 theaters.
It pains me but I don't expect to see this remain in cinemas for long.
My question is how can they send out weekend totals when Sunday was far from over? Do they not include Sunday in the opening weekend totals?
It's done all the time. They can estimate Sunday pretty reliably. If there is a large shift, they will adjust on Monday.
Movie may stay in theaters fir a bit because there is little coming out, but the movie is a bomb.
Compared to 2010 with Predators I feel the marketing has been better for The Predator.
I guess the trailer was late etc.
I'm not sure why people aren't seeing it.
I won't even pretend to know what goes on behind closed doors of studio executives trying to predict a net profit for a given film project, but disc sales, cable release, streaming services must surely play a part in their equation.
Are film projects greenlit when they project it will only break even at the box office, but they hang their profit hopes on home sales? I doubt they care whether their revenue comes from a box office or over a video store counter. Seems plausible to me. Fox may have viewed The Predator project in the scenario above....but I'm only speculating, I have no source to suggest that's the case.
I expected The Predator to at least do as well as covenant, but i think i always knew this movie would flop hard.
To be fair all the signs were already there that this movie , was in big trouble. yano the script leak didn't help, the screenings didn't help, the troubled production and re shoots didn't inspire confidence and the half baked trailers were just the cherry on the top.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 17, 2018, 02:18:38 PM
Compared to 2010 with Predators I feel the marketing has been better for The Predator.
I guess the trailer was late etc.
I'm not sure why people aren't seeing it.
I don't quite understand why casual movie goers aren't seeing it either - people who don't have anything invested in the franchise. As a fan, I thought a lot of film was damaging. But from a detached perspective (as if I were speaking as a non-fan), it was a fun way to pass the time. Remove the Predator from the scenery, and I didn't think it was
that bad of a film.
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 17, 2018, 11:40:18 AM
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 17, 2018, 07:36:33 AM
Colonial marines, predators and aliens... Win!
Yeah I'm still baffled they didn't just go this direction from the start. Aliens and the original Predator are very similar in design (wise cracking soldiers / marines vs an unknown alien force) and it just works. The AvP comics followed the formula successfully and the AvP games also followed that formula successfully, so making a good AvP movie shouldn't have been been all that difficult (same goes for the other Alien and Predator sequels)
If it ain't broke don't fix it but Hollywood always likes to think it knows better, plus writing forgettable characters with zero personality didn't help either and ....... well we all know what happened.....twice !
This might not be the case, but what it
feels like is that writers/directors have a sort of hyper self-importance where they believe everything they come up with will top what their predecessors did. "Concrete Jungle? Oh, I can do better than that." "Predators? Oh, I can do better than that." Sure, they might be able to do better - but their predecessors may have more to offer than they think.
People aren't seeing it, not because of marketing or sexual predator scandal. But because it was released in the middle of the month...
ITS TOO FAR AWAY FROM PAYDAY!
Only those with the mythical '"Disposable Income" can hope to see this so soon.
I had to for go the large coke for a smuggled in Aldi lemonade...ITS 17p FOR TWO LITRES FOR GODS SAKE!!!!!!
;D
That is a whole other level of frugal right there :laugh:
Quote from: tukoc on Sep 17, 2018, 06:18:08 PM
People aren't seeing it, not because of marketing or sexual predator scandal. But because it was released in the middle of the month...
ITS TOO FAR AWAY FROM PAYDAY!
Only those with the mythical '"Disposable Income" can hope to see this so soon.
I had to for go the large coke for a smuggled in Aldi lemonade...ITS 17p FOR TWO LITRES FOR GODS SAKE!!!!!!
;D
You know I've still yet to see a cinema that actually doesn't allow you to take your own food/drink in. I used to work at an Odeon and it was fine. Only hot food like Maccies or KFC wasn't allowed in.
Need a mortgage for Vue and Odeon food and drink prices.
I have no idea why this movie is performing this way, but it's baffling and I do think a Predator movie can still do very well.
I always urge people to compare the box office success of the original The Terminator and Predator, both pretty similar with Predator grossing a bit more a few years later. Then look at the creative decisions with Terminator 2(and Lethal Weapon 2 and Die Hard 2, the main characters returned) vs. Predator 2, where the main character did not return.
I feel like if The Predator was the sequel that came out in 1990, things would be different for the better now.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 17, 2018, 06:45:50 PM
Need a mortgage for Vue and Odeon food and drink prices.
That joke got old, very quickly. :laugh:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 17, 2018, 06:48:19 PM
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 17, 2018, 06:45:50 PM
Need a mortgage for Vue and Odeon food and drink prices.
That joke got old, very quickly. :laugh:
I can imagine. Haha!
I always wanted the work at a cinema, just to see what went on. I imagine it's not as fun you who think it would be...
It was a nice and easy job. Bit of retail, bit of cleaning, get free films on the off-day.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 17, 2018, 06:51:30 PM
It was a nice and easy job. Bit of retail, bit of cleaning, get free films on the off-day.
Free films FTW. :)
Just saw the official twitter account post saying #1 movie in the world. Bit awkward that one :-\
Quote from: Beans81 on Sep 17, 2018, 08:57:12 PM
Just saw the official twitter account post saying #1 movie in the world. Bit awkward that one :-\
The denial is strong.
In terms of box office it is because it was literally #1 at the box office this weekend. All movies say this once they open at number 1 over the weekend, regardless if the weekend gross isn't that big.
And other factors like total number of movies available and overall weekend attendance compared to other weekends in 2018. It appears this weekend did not have a high turnout overall. Only four other weekends had lower revenue than this weekend according to BOM. I suppose folks are getting some last summer outdoor activities in before the cold hits.
If The Predator had been released in June - high revenue weekends of the big releases - it may not have even broke into the top 10-15 for its debut.
Also, The Predator's competition for this weekend....... It's strongest competitor was The Nun, not exactly a box office heavyweight. Nor did its widest opening release hamper it's performance, at 4,037 theaters, which is about average. Black Panther widest opening release was fewer than that.
So yea, at the moment it's number one, but it has an ugly asterisk next to it.
Alright guys, I'll go get a shovel and start digging the hole.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 17, 2018, 11:21:59 PM
Alright guys, I'll go get a shovel and start digging the hole.
I'll go in on a bag of manure and some daisy seeds. We're going to need something to say when the time comes. Do you think Lindelof would be willing to write something for us?
Thanks for explaining that to me chaps...I had no idea
I like the film ! But it was just full off dumb ideas, don't have a predator film with kids in especially trick or treating?? Why do we need predator dogs ?? If he's a big badass upgraded pred he doesn't need them, best scene for me was the predator lab escape very AVP game like ;D ::)
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 17, 2018, 06:50:19 PMI always wanted the work at a cinema, just to see what went on. I imagine it's not as fun you who think it would be...
I'd say as I did work experience in a budget cinema while at high school. If not for having to sit in for repetitive peformances seeing even your favourite movie 3 times per day in a row got old very quickly.
Is it just me, or is everyone else curious as to why Black hasn't said a word since the movie's release. I would imagine that it's due to the scandal and poor response. I mean is he running away from it? Or is it normal for a director to keep his/her mouth shut for a brief period after their films debut?
Quote from: zackpred12 on Sep 18, 2018, 11:35:55 AM
Is it just me, or is everyone else curious as to why Black hasn't said a word since the movie's release. I would imagine that it's due to the scandal and poor response. I mean is he running away from it? Or is it normal for a director to keep his/her mouth shut for a brief period after their films debut?
What could he say ? If there was a studio interference he would keep quiet- rule number one in order to stay in Hollywood - anybody ask Josh Trank if you could find him from his slumber shelter what happens when you openly confront the studio.
Secondly - i think he is too tired and no longer gives a shit anyway - many fans complaining, having to also agree with the test audiences and other craps and let`s not forget the reshoots. Nobody can convince me that this was just because of the daytime/nighttime shift
Third - i think he also knows he is to blame with Dekker for not creating more solid script for the movie in first place
In short - he is right to keep quiet until he has something to say after the shitstorm
Quote from: zackpred12 on Sep 18, 2018, 11:35:55 AM
Is it just me, or is everyone else curious as to why Black hasn't said a word since the movie's release. I would imagine that it's due to the scandal and poor response. I mean is he running away from it? Or is it normal for a director to keep his/her mouth shut for a brief period after their films debut?
He just invested 3 years of his time making the movie, working his ass off, had multiple reshoots and rewrites, a me-too/sex controversy in between just before the press played the 'who could be the biggest asshole' game with the movie and now it's bombing... maybe there is not much to say at the moment?
Watched it again last night, my opinion still stands, it's not a perfect movie but one i'll still have fun with in the years to come and certainly better and much more entertaining than the crap that's doing really great at the box-office over the years.
No one can tell me that Olivia didn't influence this, even Mojo got their forecast way up because the movie really got marketed well, the the controversy started and there were hundreds of people saying "i don't watch the movie because of this". Now to be honest, with the critics and stuff i don't think this movie would have gone through the roof, but a 30 million plus opening was very likely if Munn didn't come out a day before the f**king premiere of the movie.
There's no point to suing Munn and it didn't even have an effect on ticket sales.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 18, 2018, 01:05:14 PM
There's no point to suing Munn and it didn't even have an effect on ticket sales.
Don't be naive, it did, and boy did it have an effect.
Go to twitter, or any other social media site, type in #thepredator and you'll get hundreds of posts about the controversy and just as much people stating openly that they won't go see the movie now although they planned to.
It did hurt the movie, not by an astronomical amount, but a couple of millions. But... people got sued for a lot less in the past.
I would agree that the negative press around said issue has had an effect on tickets sales. Not sure I agree with suing Munn though.
My whole thing is, is that Munn stated in an interview that she did all of this in part due to the fact that she didn't want the victim to be reminded of the events that took place with that actor. However, if she was really so righteous, she wouldn't have done a single interview with the press. I feel as though she is kind of selfish in the aspect of the victim. I believe that she obviously did in fact disagree with the scene shot, but is looking at this situation as her chance to be in the spotlight. She's quite ardent if you ask me. But yea, I guess if I were Shane Black, I would probably take a hiatus too.
Quote from: zackpred12 on Sep 18, 2018, 11:35:55 AM
Is it just me, or is everyone else curious as to why Black hasn't said a word since the movie's release. I would imagine that it's due to the scandal and poor response. I mean is he running away from it? Or is it normal for a director to keep his/her mouth shut for a brief period after their films debut?
Shame? Well after this mess of a movie he should be. Better for him to just move on. Like Paul Anderson and the Strauses did. The franchise will be better without him and he will be better without it.
I was reading on Wikipedia about how this was supposed to set up two sequels that Shane would be directing. I just don't see that happening.
Does anyone else think he'll ever work (or be allowed to work) on these movies again? Or that this particular storyline is even going to continue?
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 18, 2018, 03:44:48 PM
Does anyone else think he'll ever work (or be allowed to work) on these movies again? Or that this particular storyline is even going to continue?
Probably no and I hope so. Seems as likely as that AVP3 on space the Strause Brothers wanted to make, they threw Yutani at the end hoping it would lead to a sequel.
Not only because of the below average reception, probable below expectations box office and Munn thing but didn't Shane said he didn't want to make another big studio movie like this again? I think someone posted a comment from him on social media saying that. Maybe it was Hicks. I remember reading people saying how tired he was with the movie and wanted now to only do his own things.
Quote from: zackpred12 on Sep 18, 2018, 03:32:32 PM
My whole thing is, is that Munn stated in an interview that she did all of this in part due to the fact that she didn't want the victim to be reminded of the events that took place with that actor. However, if she was really so righteous, she wouldn't have done a single interview with the press. I feel as though she is kind of selfish in the aspect of the victim. I believe that she obviously did in fact disagree with the scene shot, but is looking at this situation as her chance to be in the spotlight. She's quite ardent if you ask me. But yea, I guess if I were Shane Black, I would probably take a hiatus too.
This is going to end up affecting Munn's career as much as it'll affect Black, imo. She apparently angered the studio which is something you can't do in Hollywood.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 18, 2018, 03:44:48 PM
I was reading on Wikipedia about how this was supposed to set up two sequels that Shane would be directing. I just don't see that happening.
Does anyone else think he'll ever work (or be allowed to work) on these movies again? Or that this particular storyline is even going to continue?
If Predators didn't do well enough for them to move forward with the sequel ideas Robert Rodriguez had for that I can't see any way they'd go forward with sequels to this now either, and honestly that's probably for the best. The quicker they sweep the whole "Predator Killer" thing under the rug, the better.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 18, 2018, 03:44:48 PM
I was reading on Wikipedia about how this was supposed to set up two sequels that Shane would be directing. I just don't see that happening.
Does anyone else think he'll ever work (or be allowed to work) on these movies again? Or that this particular storyline is even going to continue?
The movie flopped so it won't get a sequel. Shane Black is going to have to rebuild his career after this with a smaller movie.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 18, 2018, 03:44:48 PM
I was reading on Wikipedia about how this was supposed to set up two sequels that Shane would be directing. I just don't see that happening.
Does anyone else think he'll ever work (or be allowed to work) on these movies again? Or that this particular storyline is even going to continue?
Based off of the controversy he definitely won't be allowed to work on a large budget movie with Fox anytime soon. Another studio might pick him up, but Fox won't give him another big movie like this.
Also, based off of his comments about the experience and the stories that have been out there it doesn't even seem like he really enjoyed his experience making the movie. If we get a sequel I would be shocked if Black returns.
If its gonna be a war between us and Predators..I def wont be going to watch the next one either. the Predator killer..please.
Sadly, I must say the movie was a disaster. I really did not like it. The best movies were the first 2. Predators was regular. I am not considering AVP movies because they belong to a crossover series.
..., you have got to be deluded if you think a producer would even consider suing her.
The director, writer, producers are all utterly terrified of being called out.
And quite right too.
Feel for the cast and crew.
Seriously what a utterly horrible scenario
Some of you blame an actor for being subjected to working with a sexual child predator and not reporting it.
How would you feel if you were employed to work with a convicted child groomer.... or your kids.....and your employer knew all along ... the role this pedo played says it all. A joke to far- right Shane ...
Anyway - You would want it reported- right
Shane Black is over.
His silence is deafening
Game Over
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 18, 2018, 05:58:22 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 18, 2018, 03:44:48 PM
I was reading on Wikipedia about how this was supposed to set up two sequels that Shane would be directing. I just don't see that happening.
Does anyone else think he'll ever work (or be allowed to work) on these movies again? Or that this particular storyline is even going to continue?
Based off of the controversy he definitely won't be allowed to work on a large budget movie with Fox anytime soon.
Yeah. I was referring to the Predator franchise in particular. I just can't see him ever being allowed near it again.
On a side note, do you think they'll try to explain
this one away as a "dream sequence"? :D If so, I wonder who would be the one dreaming? I vote Traeger. So then there would be no need for McKenna, the loonies, Munn, the kid, Upgrade, the dogs with dreads, the comedy, etc. Basically erase the whole movie. Let's just see him get woken up in the next one. The dialogue could be:
"You Good?"
"Yeah, just a bad dream"
"Nightmare?"
"I'll say. Was like a Shane Black Movie"
"That bad eh?"
;)
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 18, 2018, 08:10:07 PM
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I was reading on Wikipedia about how this was supposed to set up two sequels that Shane would be directing. I just don't see that happening.
Does anyone else think he'll ever work (or be allowed to work) on these movies again? Or that this particular storyline is even going to continue?
Based off of the controversy he definitely won't be allowed to work on a large budget movie with Fox anytime soon.
Yeah. I was referring to the Predator franchise in particular. I just can't see him ever being allowed near it again.
On a side note, do you think they'll try to explain this one away as a "dream sequence"? :D If so, I wonder who would be the one dreaming? I vote Traeger. So then there would be no need for McKenna, the loonies, Munn, the kid, Upgrade, the dogs with dreads, the comedy, etc. Basically erase the whole movie. Let's just see him get woken up in the next one. The dialogue could be:
"You Good?"
"Yeah, just a bad dream"
"Nightmare?"
"I'll say. Was like a Shane Black Movie"
"That bad eh?"
;)
It'll depend on how this movie does financially. It's got a shot to make some money overseas but it looks DOA here in the US. My theory is they'll do a soft reboot and either destroy or ignore that Predator Suit from the end. At this point I won't be surprised if they go trending route of ignoring all of the films and making a sequel to just the first movie in a few years.
The controversy had no discernible effect on the movies box office tracking and it's soft bow is because the movie wasn't that good. Also you can't sue somebody for reporting a factual claim, the same as the pedo can't sue her for telling everyone that he's a convicted sex offender. Either case would be thrown out. Now if she went around and didn't market the movie or actively did something to disown it before or during it's release would be another story. Yet it didn't even matter.
However this won't have much of any effect on Shane Black's career. Especially when it is obvious the studio interfered. Which is what happens. They recruited him and overall it was the product he produces that they received. Munn on the other hand, has probably done some damaged to her acting career. That comes with the Territory but I doubt she'll be able to accept it in the long term. Yea it's a sexist thing, if Black did what she did no one would care. In fact no one really cares about him hiring his friend. He was edited out for public relations and that's just business. Get scolded, say sorry; rinse and repeat.
There's not going to be a sequel. The films lack of success doesn't warrant one. It's sad really. Black isn't going to hurt in any way by this failure. Munn may have stifled if not done permanent damage to her career. Worst of all the hundreds of thousands of hard core Predator fans just got place on the back burner "big screen" wise. However as others have said, the rest of the franchise is doing well comic wise. How the gaming side of things?
The gaming side isn't fantastic where Predator is concerned, AVP 2010 came out the same year as Predators and apart from mobile offerings or cameos we haven't had anything since, where-as it'll soon to be that we'll have had four Alien games in this timespan between 2010 and when Cold Iron Forge's Alien game releases.
& Then the novels for the Predator are going on the back burner, so all you're left with are comics.
Well I still say look on the bright side. The Predator is a decent action flick. :)
Shane Black's next movie is set up at Netflix, which is perfect for him considering they have the reputation of leaving their creatives alone.
Quote from: Serpico Jones on Sep 18, 2018, 09:56:25 PM
Shane Black's next movie is set up at Netflix, which is perfect for him considering they have the reputation of leaving their creatives alone.
It's a movie he had been developing for awhile. There is no confirmation of him directing it or being attached. The headline is very misleading for that news report. Netflix acquired the title as a development title and Black may have done a re-write recently which is why Netflix picked up but nothing has come out saying that it's his next film.
It would be a smart move for him though. A lot of directors/showrunners love these streaming services because they leave the creators alone.
I never understand why fox never did movies based on the well received dark horse comics or novels since they tried so hard to be like Marvel in this mess. I mean make a movie about the predator Ahab go way to connect Prometheus and aliens, broken tusk another good predator that can be a main stay and main character of the series, hell even the blood time story could be a good avp movie and have the preds do sign language like in the apes film or a film based on bad blood. I'm sick and tired of these movies of being pinned down to be a sequel to The First movie tbh predators had a better shot but it's too late at this point. If disney wants to succeed with this franchise they need to be original stories or base them on successful ones. Rather by tv or film or just stick to making books and comics. This movie deserves to fail fox doesn't know what to do with alien or predator might as well give it to some one who knows what the hell there doing. But thats just me.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 18, 2018, 03:44:48 PM
I was reading on Wikipedia about how this was supposed to set up two sequels that Shane would be directing. I just don't see that happening.
Does anyone else think he'll ever work (or be allowed to work) on these movies again? Or that this particular storyline is even going to continue?
After all the problems, would Black even want to work on Predator again ? If Fox can't let him make the movie he wanted, then why would he want to go through all that again ?
Fox haven't had a clue how to handle the Alien and Predator franchises for a long time now and this movies production problems prove they still don't. I'd certainly lay more blame on Fox than Black, because Blacks other movies are well made and well directed, not messy like The Predator is. I can imagine a lot of the changes came from the studio and they butchered it in editing too.
The problem is not the reshoots or the company messing with black plot, the problem was that the plot and testcreens were so Bad that they tried to save the boat, make no mistake, the problem of the movie is shane black putting a plot that has no sense, spider predators, dogs with dreads... Theres a lot of interesting plots for a predator movie..
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 19, 2018, 01:50:05 PM
The problem is not the reshoots or the company messing with black plot, the problem was that the plot and testcreens were so Bad that they tried to save the boat, make no mistake, the problem of the movie is shane black putting a plot that has no sense, spider predators, dogs with dreads... Theres a lot of interesting plots for a predator movie..
Yep, the studio tried to save the mess but ended up making things worse in the process. There was never much hope as soon Shane got involved.
Just like they're doing with the latest Halloween film...
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 18, 2018, 09:41:56 PM
Well I still say look on the bright side. The Predator is a decent action flick. :)
Uh nope
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Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 18, 2018, 09:41:56 PM
Well I still say look on the bright side. The Predator is a decent action flick. :)
Uh nope
For about 30 min, yes, then it become a project of some student, a bad student i mean
Predators 2010 beats the shit out of The Predator 2018 - and you are telling me it was twice as cheaper?!
There is no two ways about it imo, everyone who was involved in this movie had a roll in its downfall... You got 20th century fox going down the whole "bigger is better" mentality and the truth is the script was just dire, iv used this analogy before, but you cannot build a skyscraper when its foundations are made out of sand. This film was in trouble the moment Fred Dekker got his hands on it. Not only that, but he went on record to say he didn't like the original, i mean what was anyone seriously expecting? And what the hell was fox thinking employing someone that didn't like or respect the source material? No amount of flashy cgi effects or comedy is going to cover up the mess it was in from the very beginning. And ultimately Shane Black is the captain of the ship, so he is just as much to blame as Fox and Fred Dekker. I'v watched it twice now, and not only is it a bad predator film, its one of the worst films of the year. The editing is horrendous, and theres just elements in there that broke my heart, for me this was predators funeral. i just cant get the predator killer out of my head... ???
BOM describes doom and gloom for The Predator's box office.....
"Last weekend's #1 film, The Predator, is looking at a steep drop this weekend. Despite playing in 1,368 more theaters than 2010's Predators, The Predator was unable to top its predecessor's opening weekend, pulling in just $24.6 million last weekend from 4,037 locations. To that point, the 2010 film dipped a massive 71.7% in its second weekend and we see no reason for The Predator to fair much better. Right now we're expecting a 66% decline and a three-day around $8.4 million and a domestic cume topping $40 million by the end of day Sunday."
I've mentioned before I rarely go to the theater, but I was going to make the Predator an exception. But the juggernaut of negativity (not just box office, also including reviews) has me in procrastination mode. I may very well wait till this shows up on VUDU.
If we get a new pred film, will it have the Disney logo now? I don't want Shane to return. I hope Disney announces a new film soon.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Sep 21, 2018, 05:01:25 AM
BOM describes doom and gloom for The Predator's box office.....
"Last weekend's #1 film, The Predator, is looking at a steep drop this weekend. Despite playing in 1,368 more theaters than 2010's Predators, The Predator was unable to top its predecessor's opening weekend, pulling in just $24.6 million last weekend from 4,037 locations. To that point, the 2010 film dipped a massive 71.7% in its second weekend and we see no reason for The Predator to fair much better. Right now we're expecting a 66% decline and a three-day around $8.4 million and a domestic cume topping $40 million by the end of day Sunday."
I've mentioned before I rarely go to the theater, but I was going to make the Predator an exception. But the juggernaut of negativity (not just box office, also including reviews) has me in procrastination mode. I may very well wait till this shows up on VUDU.
It's going to be interesting to see who's career survives this train wreck.
Quote from: Serpico Jones on Sep 21, 2018, 06:03:56 AM
It's going to be interesting to see who's career survives this train wreck.
Shane Black is set to direct Doc Savage with Dwayne Johnson stepping in as the golden age bronze superhero (or is Savage a silver age?). So unless the studio or whoever executive powers in charge of that project waver with doubt, it appears Shane will continue to pound the cinematic pavement.
Dekker, on the other hand, has no current/future projects on his plate that I know of, so it's possible he could be one of the career casualties you suggest.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=thepredator.htm
It's made about $6 million over the last week.
Can't really articulate my disappointment at the box office failure.
I still maintain its a 5/5 movie for me. Maybe a 3/5 movie with 2 extra esoteric points, the humour worked well and the tweeness of the kid and almost 80s nostalgia (Monster Squad, Flight of the Navigator, ET) also worked.
True its a "twisting of the genres" and I guess people saw the tone as inconsistent, but again my opinion is it enhanced the film.
I can't wait for the Blu-Ray which I hear is due as soon as December 2018.
Hicks do long-term Blu-Ray, DVD and Cable Home Box Office download sales count as breaking even or is this movie, as a commercial venture, cooked?
Well, i'm beyond disappointed in the box-office to say the least, but well, money is not everything.
I still have a fun new movie to add to the collection, and this one has rewatch-value for me, so it's win-win.
And guys, don't fool yourself, this is not the end of the Predator franchise, there will be other movies, by the end of it's run we will see this movie still doing over a 100 million, possibily much more with China involved.
Now, for an 88 million dollar movie, that's bad, but not for a 30+ year old franchise that had low budget productions up until now. There will be other movies, just not that big.
I was hungry for that big, blockbuster style Predator movie, and it was fun, but i think they should scale it back now. The dogs, reshoots, CGI Predator etc., they could have saved a shitload of cash in my book and this movie would have made some money, but they went all-in on this, and we see there are not enough people into this.
It's a shame, but i rather have a small movie that doesn't get tested and twisted six ways to Sunday.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 17, 2018, 06:51:30 PM
It was a nice and easy job. Bit of retail, bit of cleaning, get free films on the off-day.
I was forced into early retirement, but once in awhile I will take a part time seasonal job to get me outta the house, like Christmas at Macy's. Measly paycheck, but it allowed me to stock up on socks and underpants on employee discount. I decided to apply at a theater nearby for the summer blockbuster months. They never called me back. I wanted to call them and scream, hey I own a movie website, dammit! But then I realized that means jack squat to them.
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Sep 21, 2018, 05:20:46 AM
If we get a new pred film, will it have the Disney logo now? I don't want Shane to return. I hope Disney announces a new film soon.
I'm not sure what Disney will do with several franchises that I like.
It seems Disney wants big box office hits and doesn't want to take more risks when a movie series under performs.
- Take stand alone Star Wars; the Obi-Wan film is on hold after "Solo" flopped.
- "Alien Covenant" had so so box office and there's no word of Disney approving another Alien movie.
- I enjoyed "The Predator" as a fun action/comedy film.
I have my doubts that Disney will allow another Predator movie for a long time.
;)
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Sep 21, 2018, 05:20:46 AM
If we get a new pred film, will it have the Disney logo now?
No, it won't.
QuoteI don't want Shane to return.
He won't.
QuoteI hope Disney announces a new film soon.
They won't.
Not being funny, but there's not a cat in hell's chance that Disney would of allowed this film to come out under their brand name. The sooner fox is out the door the better, they have some great franchises and rather than showing them love, and crafting quality films to be remembered, they would rather run them into the ground. Embrace the change people, the house of mouse is coming, and I for one cannot wait, if it means getting films that are actually good. :o
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 21, 2018, 04:19:52 PM
Not being funny, but there's not a cat in hell's chance that Disney would of allowed this film to come out under their brand name. The sooner fox is out the door the better, they have some great franchises and rather than showing them love, and crafting quality films to be remembered, they would rather run them into the ground. Embrace the change people, the house of mouse is coming, and I for one cannot wait, if it means getting films that are actually good. :o
Disney would've pulled a "Rogue One"and fired the director. They would've reshot half the movie with a different director and screenwriter.
Quote from: Serpico Jones on Sep 21, 2018, 04:21:39 PM
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 21, 2018, 04:19:52 PM
Not being funny, but there's not a cat in hell's chance that Disney would of allowed this film to come out under their brand name. The sooner fox is out the door the better, they have some great franchises and rather than showing them love, and crafting quality films to be remembered, they would rather run them into the ground. Embrace the change people, the house of mouse is coming, and I for one cannot wait, if it means getting films that are actually good. :o
Disney would've pulled a "Rogue One"and fired the director. They would've reshot half the movie with a different director and screenwriter.
And Disney also did this with "Solo" and the result was a flop. (Even though I liked it.)
Disney is not infallible in terms of box office hits. They go where they are sure they can make money.
That's why there are so many Marvel movies from Disney. They make a profit.
- Imo the "Solo" flop shows how Disney reacts when a franchise underperforms (such as with stand alone Star Wars films). Then the studio cancels or delays movies in that franchise.
;)
I know fox started the Alien and Predator franchises but I'm happy that Disney is in control. Avpr, Prometheus, alien covenant, the predator, all fairly recent films that are beyond horrible. I do enjoy Avp and Predators.
The Alien prequels being in the same list as "AVPR" or "The Predator" :laugh:
Horribly written, but everything else is top-notch, that's not the case with the others.
I've seen it 3 times and I like it more every time. It's not great but I love the predator action in the movie. It's looks and run like a lot of things were cut from the movie. I still enjoyed seeing the predator on screen, its was a fun movie for me and that's how I went into the movie. I just wanted it to be fun.
I enjoyed it, but I have no interest in reviewing it on home media.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/09/22/friday-box-office-predator-plunges-77-simple-favor-holds-strong/#6de60a794224
According to the article, in reference to the "drop" it seems to be performing in the same manner as Alien: Covenant and Predators, though the latter's initial earnings were higher relative to their budgets. But still, the article makes it seem like the drop is massive when it's just following the same route as the other movies that came before it...unless I'm misunderstanding the wording there...
That's the way I read it too. But I think the real message here is that it's not looking like it will be a very successful film.
So how much does it need to make to not be considered a complete failure? 2 times the budget? 1.5?
2x it's budget globally is the common answer I've heard.
How much do we think it will make world wide. I say between $200 to 230 million. I can't believe all this shit this movie is getting. Personally I loved it but I can see why people didn't like it.
It'll barley break pass it's 88 mil budget thinking it'll make 200 mil is wishful thinking this movie is gonna bomb hard.
I wasn't expecting great numbers for this but I wasn't expecting it to perform so poorly, especially comparing it to AVPR and Predators numbers. Looks like it will do less then them.
I guess Predator is a very niche market in the grand scheme of things.
And only a niche of that niche was served. Do the math.
I didn't think it was going to bomb this hard either but it's over after just the first week. It's may not even cross 50M domestically at this rate. This one might have actually damaged it's reputation as a viable box office franchise. I mean it hurts and will be a loss.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 23, 2018, 02:37:19 AM
So how much does it need to make to not be considered a complete failure? 2 times the budget? 1.5?
About three times the budget.
Never trust John Davis again. It's that simple.
Hopefully we'll see some Hulu shows in the future, but I fear the days of 50-100 million dollar theatrical Alien/Predator movies are over.
Alien goes out on a cliffhanger that leaves a big narrative gap.
Predator goes out on a butchered mess of a movie that doesn't make sense.
Lame.
Good! I'm glad all these terrible Alien and Predator movies are bombing, at least we won't be getting more shitty sequels. I mean, I'm not happy about the damage done to the franchise but it's clear Fox have no idea what they're doing. I'd rather have several years of dormancy than more crap.
The Terminator 6 crew should be worried all right. Worried about actually making a good movie.
Well, I guess we will need to wait another 10-20 years for another movie (if they even decide to make it) :-[
Hopefully Shane Black and cast team wouldn't suffer from this flop.
So it looks like I will be wrong about the 200 million world wide takings. See AVP Galaxy headlines. I'll eat humble pie. I'm really depressed. The thing I don't get is how did AVP make more money. Was it a better film? thoughts/opinions. Surely that had bad word of mouth and reviews. Or is it worse now with social media etc.
I knew this film was doomed the moment the script leaked. But bloody hell, you would of thought fox would of cut their losses while they had the chance? Ouch! Not that i have sympathy for them. They made their bed they can now sleep in it.
Anyway the good news is, if we do see another predator or alien film, it wont be coming from fox!!!!
The bad news is disney might throw both franchises in the dust bin, i mean i think its quite clear public interest has dropped for these kind of movies. I cant see disney wanting to touch predator and alien. I think they will likely be sold on.
Quote from: burkewhimp on Sep 23, 2018, 11:05:15 AM
So it looks like I will be wrong about the 200 million world wide takings. See AVP Galaxy headlines. I'll eat humble pie. I'm really depressed. The thing I don't get is how did AVP make more money. Was it a better film? thoughts/opinions. Surely that had bad word of mouth and reviews. Or is it worse now with social media etc.
Because the first AVP was very anticipated film. It was about putting iconic monsters against each other. At best, that film was generally mixed bag. AVPR damaged the franchise far worse. That's why people started abandoning the franchise. Predators didn't fare well, but it didn't tarnish the overall image. (I think the film is underrated.)
This movie is objectively bad. People are fed up with bad entry. Bad pacing and editing which resulted in incoherent storytelling. Moreover, Fox didn't even invest on marketing enough. In Korea, there hasn't been a single advertisement for this movie... except maybe at baseball stadium. Overall, piss poor marketing is also huge factor.
Your daily reminder that equating Alien with Predator is incorrect.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 23, 2018, 09:01:25 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 23, 2018, 02:37:19 AM
So how much does it need to make to not be considered a complete failure? 2 times the budget? 1.5?
About three times the budget.
I thought 3 times meant the movie was a sucess, I mean the line between a sucess and a movie flop, the minimum for it to not be completely a failure but not be a huge financial sucess either, kind of like Covenant. Which was around 2x the budget.
The chances of this making 3 times the budget are unlikely so it needs to at least not flop too much.
Tis a shame. The sex offender thing will be blamed by the studio to save face but (from a purely pragmatic perspective) Roman Polanski's films still make money so that's not an adequate explanation for such poor performance. This was just a weak film that (a) threw a lot of intriguing concepts around without ever fleshing them out properly and (b) didn't retain enough thematic and aesthetic inspiration from it's source material. In those two respects, it reminds me so much of Prometheus. Both films tried very hard to be several things simultaneously and ultimately failed at being any of them sufficiently.
I don't know if it qualifies as a flop, but it's damn close.
Don't worry, we mighty French are coming !
LOL
Did this film even open in China? I mean if it did it would probably pull in 200M considering how Micheal Bay "transformers" it is. I'm assuming it isn't going to open though.
Did you miss my post last time? It won't make anything worthwhile in China:
45 Seconds.
At least we'll still have the novels/comics (and maybe an Isolation sequel?). Hope they make a tv show set in the same films canon.
''i'd be nervous about that terminator reboot...''
pffff shows how much this movie critic knows...
Sequels don't just not work because they are sequels. If they don't work is simply because they are not any good. As long as you make a decent movie, you needn't worry. Future case in point: James cameron's getting back his franchise after leasing it out for a few years (i.e the reason all they've done is churn shit after shit during this time). But just wait and see, watch and learn as he revives terminator and makes it exciting again.
maybe then someone will take a hint as to how to do sequels properly.
sighs....
What movie critic?
Estimated $8.7 million in the second weekend. Not as steep of a drop as Predators but not great considering the bigger budget.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/ (https://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/)
Worldwide total is up to ~$95 million
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=thepredator.htm (https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=thepredator.htm)
The comparison with Predators is interesting- especially since it looks like a freakin masterpiece now. I always liked it, it was OK, you know, some annoying flaws that would have been easy to fix/avoid, but more or less faithful to the basics of the character, with some good new ideas (parachute insertion; Preds' camp; game preserve concept; picking and choosing dangerous people to kidnap; etc.).
But wow, after seeing the new one, Mr. Antal might as well have been a second McTiernan. Seriously, go and watch Predators again. It will make you feel better just to know that a passable sequel is possible. Or was, once.
And don't Tracker's dogs look a bit better now too?
So it will make just enough money to make a profit and a sequel in 8 to 10 years....great.
I hope it makes enough money to justify a director's cut.
I rewatched predators, and damn, it looked much better now that what i remembered... I prefer it 100 times over the turdator
Just bring Arnold back already! He clearly wants to do another one but they keep wanting to him to do glorified cameos and that's not what he wants. Him coming back will definitely draw more excitement. Someone said in an article that movie could be shit but his presence alone will help bring in big numbers.
Yup most likely 5-15 years before we see a another entry as is par for the course for this franchise (alien too for that matter). But ultimately that's exactly what I expected regardless of the financial or critical outcome of the film. I'll enjoy the film for what it is: a big budget predator film (which will never happen again)
Alien is getting 6 films and one documentary next year alone.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 23, 2018, 07:35:02 PM
Alien is getting 6 films and one documentary next year alone.
As hudson said, elevator to hell, going down
No.
That's just infantile negativity
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 23, 2018, 07:56:56 PM
No.
That's just infantile negativity
No, its facts, prometheus, mess, covenant, a disaster.. 2+2 =4
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 23, 2018, 07:35:02 PM
Alien is getting 6 films and one documentary next year alone.
And I'm excited for each and every one, but I'm referring to full length feature films.
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 23, 2018, 08:32:17 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 23, 2018, 07:56:56 PM
No.
That's just infantile negativity
No, its facts, prometheus, mess, covenant, a disaster.. 2+2 =4
Prometheus made good money, Covenant was below expectations in the box office. But since its Ridley they will give him money to make another one, but likely with a decreased budget.
Im talking about quality, each movie is worse than the one before, scott doesnt know were he us going, hes improvising
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 23, 2018, 09:03:35 PM
Im talking about quality, each movie is worse than the one before, scott doesnt know were he us going, hes improvising
Even though I agree to a certain extent, that's not how Fox and now Disney sees it. Its all about money to them, that's what decides if there will be a sequel or not. I really hate the Resident Evil movies, it gets worse per movie and it shits on the game series its based on, but it makes money, so more low quality sequels. The Alien franchise is not dead, for Predator we will have to wait for the full box office.
None of the films coming out next year are created by Ridley Scott regardless
The old one they are short fan films sponsored by fox, its hardly something to get excited about.
I'll reiterate then:
6 Tongal Alien 40th Anniversary films,
Alien 40th Anniversary Documentary,
Alien: The Blueprints,
Alien Isolation Novelisation,
Aliens Dust To Dust,
William Gibson's ALIEN 3
& Cold Iron Forge's Alien Videogame.
There's enough to be "excited' about.
Yes but its all small scale is my point, barring the video game, most of the public wont even be aware that all that stuff is coming out. I would imagine Disney is very nervous at the moment.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 23, 2018, 10:42:46 PM
I'll reiterate then:
6 Tongal Alien 40th Anniversary films,
Alien 40th Anniversary Documentary,
Alien: The Blueprints,
Alien Isolation Novelisation,
Aliens Dust To Dust,
William Gibson's ALIEN 3
& Cold Iron Forge's Alien Videogame.
There's enough to be "excited' about.
My apologies, nice to see the isolation and dust to dust, and didnt remember the alien 3 comic, you made my day
Not good. Even AvP:R made 3x it's budget ( worldwide ). Predator is done. The only hope Predator has is for another AvP movie, but why would Alien want to ever be associated with that again? I guess maybe in 10-20 more years we might see another one with a bargain bin budget. I honestly think low budget is the way to go to re-energize the franchise. Get a good director, a decent cast, but save money on all the flashy fx. That crap isn't needed to make a good Predator movie. The character is invisible for goodness sake. How hard is this? It's not rocket science. I understand big budgets for the Alien movies as set designs are a major component, but Predator can literally be set anywhere. Come on, Hollywood. Rub a couple of braincells together.
I wouldn't if was Disney, not about Alien.
Prometheus wasn't that long ago, and was altogether profitable.
Predator has not been since it's original entry or AVP 2004, if you consider it.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 23, 2018, 11:00:15 PM
Predator has not been since it's original entry or AVP 2004, if you consider it.
Both AVPR and Predators did more than 3 times their budget, AVP didn't.
amen to that.
sure, the frachise may never reach marvel heights, but should still offer one of the most profitable IP's. movie, dvd, bluray, figurines, literature. Then, down the line, re-package the dvd and bluray with added extras, perhaps a directors cut, a fancy tin cover etc. then, boxet it as the predator quintilogy etc etc. All that from 1 film. Its a popular IP, so even as a cheaper offering (and as an action/horror!) it will always be better than most of the horror films that come out this day. Remember, the next big demographic after comic-film-seeking teens is horror. So back to my point. Do them properly (simple plot, great actors, characterisation and story) and I can't see how you can go wrong IMHO
So the 3 options for Disney:
1. Bury Alien and Predator forever.
2. Reboot them both (or continue making prequels/sequels).
3. Sell Alien or Predator or both to another studio.
According to Box Office Mojo, the worldwide taking as of yesterday is just shy of $95m.
Is there any chance this film holds on over the halloween season... I mean it is a monster movie. Maybe the drop offs will be a little lighter than expected.
95 million in ten days... not bad. If only the movie wouldn't be that expensive.
Well, looks like it will open in China, so there is a chance it'll break even and make some money on home video, which these movies sell very good on.
China will not save The Predator.
Maybe France will................. JK. ;D
It may make more on home media, but I doubt anything further substantial at the box office.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 24, 2018, 11:09:25 AM
According to Box Office Mojo, the worldwide taking as of yesterday is just shy of $95m.
I saw that! Pretty far cry from the flop some folks are proclaiming the film is. Between now and Halloween it should easily go in the green. And then home release will most likely make up the majority of the profit.
Well I hope Shane black doesn't write this off as a failed because of the Scandal. It failed because it was a god-awful garbage of a movie!
Yeah this movie would have had to make about 200-250 million worldwide to be considered a success. If it releases in China it may help a bit but I don't see this getting past about 130 million. It's unfortunate because I didn't want the movie to fail but hopefully it's a lesson to the studio.
It will not be successful at this point.
The Terminator bit made me giggle. Two years ago the Ghostbusters reboot, the Ninja Turtles sequel and Independence Day 2 all crashed and burned in a one month span. Nobody was saying "Oh, the guys doing X reboot are probably nervous right now..."
Quote from: Mr. Xenomorph on Sep 24, 2018, 07:30:06 PM
The Terminator bit made me giggle. Two years ago the Ghostbusters reboot, the Ninja Turtles sequel and Independence Day 2 all crashed and burned in a one month span. Nobody was saying "Oh, the guys doing X reboot are probably nervous right now..."
Bad scripts that become movies are bound to fail.
Tracking for a $90 million loss at the moment unless China eats this up
Which it will not, there's no Chinese characters and there are African Americans in the film.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 24, 2018, 10:54:02 PM
Which it will not, there's no Chinese characters and there are African Americans in the film.
Indeed. Stacy Snider should have known this was too much spent on a franchise like this. I love Predator as much as the next guy but you got to be smart about how much you spend on these things. This would have never been the case under Rothman or Gianopolis
It's a terrible movie. ADI's work on the fugitive was great, though.
The last 3 Predator movies have been extremely bad (AVPR, Predators and The Predator). Predator is a franchise beyond saving.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 24, 2018, 10:54:02 PM
and there are African Americans in the film.
Is that actually relevant to that market?
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 24, 2018, 10:54:02 PM
Which it will not, there's no Chinese characters and there are African Americans in the film.
So China cares about those things?
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 25, 2018, 03:24:54 AM
Is that actually relevant to that market?
Seems to be the case.
Quote from: Bob on Sep 25, 2018, 12:07:50 AM
It's a terrible movie. ADI's work on the fugitive was great, though.
Maybe some day they'll get one last chance to get the mouth right. ;)
I still don't understand why they can't get the closed mouth correct.
Perhaps someone should ask them.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 24, 2018, 10:54:02 PM
Which it will not, there's no Chinese characters and there are African Americans in the film.
Don't you think Munn (half-chinese, even though not presented like that in the movie) being a major character will help a bit ?
No.
I do not.
If the Predator-Killer was shown in the advertisements for China- perhaps.
Alien was and still is way more successful than Predator.
I think people are using the quality of the movie as the main reason for the poor box office numbers.
What was the last sci-fi movie that performed well at the box office?
Blade Runner 2049 is a work of art and is one of/ if not the best sequel every made yet still underperformed at the box office (on a huge budget too).
Do you count the marvel movies as sci-fi? Lol
Quote from: Engineer on Sep 25, 2018, 05:19:44 PM
Do you count the marvel movies as sci-fi? Lol
No. I mean alien/robot/etc.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Sep 25, 2018, 05:14:00 PM
I think people are using the quality of the movie as the main reason for the poor box office numbers.
What was the last sci-fi movie that performed well at the box office?
Blade Runner 2049 is a work of art and is one of/ if not the best sequel every made yet still underperformed at the box office (on a huge budget too).
Was very underwelming for me..
Terminator or aliens are top sequels for me
Controversial opinion;
I prefer Blade Runner 2049 over James Cameron's Aliens .
I respect it, for me aliens is the best sequel, cameron did an amazing job, I even saw the lifecicle in the university as an example... Cameron make the alien a realistic creature, you can like it or not, as a biologist i prefer it over the space monster rute..
And blade runner, it was a great movie yes, but it lacks something.. Dont know what..
In fact i ended being and entomologist because james cameron aliens
Lovecraftian horror > insect.
(Not that I feel James Cameron did that, but perception of his work did.)
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 25, 2018, 06:36:42 PM
Controversial opinion;
I prefer Blade Runner 2049 over James Cameron's Aliens .
They're two different flavors of sci-fi.
Aliens is like a bacon cheeseburger with a large drink and fries. The Blade Runner movies are like dining at a nice restaurant. A meal of solid food, with a proper desert. I find the older I get, the more I'm gravitating towards the latter type of film.
Aliens holds a special place in my heart, and it always will, but it's not aging well with me. Conversely, the entertainment I derive from Alien and Alien 3 keeps increasing. I like them more and more, everytime I see them.
I prefer the bug aproach, i prefer something reslistic.. Cameron put a lot of efford expanding, in the concepts..
Blade runner 2049 is the same, with better cgi and less soul (for me).. I highly doubt anyone thinks its superior than the original while many people prefer aliens over alien (i prefer it, alien queen is a design i love)
And i dont buy the chessburger example, aliens is a war sci fi film, its just a different genere not quality.
I know a significant number that prefer Blade Runner 2049 over the original, I myself do not.
Alien I believe is incomparable to it's sequels, the original is the masterpiece.
BR 2049 is close to a masterpiece for me at least. There's so much I adore in that movie. Too bad it wasn't successful but it gave me great respect for the director and writers.
And IMO Alien and Aliens are equal to me but they both have completely different merits.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Sep 25, 2018, 08:10:20 PM
BR 2049 is close to a masterpiece for me at least.
It's a good one for sure. It's as close as we're going to get to the original. In a time when the magic of those older films seems to be long gone, there came 2049. It felt like a movie that would've been made back then. A time capsule of good film-making. If we could just get the same treatment for the Alien and Predator franchises, we'll be getting somewhere.
I finally got to see The Predator last night, my thoughts? No way near as bad as the final batch of reviews were claiming. I think the Empire mag review is probably the fairest (quite unlike them tbh) - yes, it's occasionally messy and often looks like there was a better film underneath the (possibly unnecessary) reshoots.
The whole thing reminded me of an 80's / 90's Blockbuster video rental - something that didn't make it to theatres but you'd pick off the shelf to keep you amused on a Tuesday afternoon (remember the Barbarian Brothers? Maniac Cop?). The main difference being The Predator clearly had some money thrown at it.
Couple of questions; What happened to the Bulldog (last seen dashing to the little boy) and what happened to the Predator dog? I know, "who cares?" But they're examples of niggling things that were never tied up that undermine the films narrative. I'm surprised that Shane Black, with all of his experience, allowed the release of this messy edit. Maybe he didn't, maybe the producer's took over.
Shout outs to the cast; they were fantastic, but evidently struggling with the volume of material. I would have lost a couple of the characters to allow Sterling K. Brown etc to breathe.
6/10 for me - not horrendous, but not a patch on the classic either...I doubt we'll ever see the sequel the final scene promises (that was pure 80's btw!)
Worldwide total currently at $100,997,382.
Quote from: felix on Sep 26, 2018, 09:54:37 PM
Worldwide total currently at $100,997,382.
Not bad, considered I have seen little marketing here in the Netherlands besides in the cinema, nothing on TV or radio, nor online through ads.
Even more so because of the very mixed reviews it gets...
Not bad at all, it has the chance to at least surpass Predators worldwide. It's just that this and Alien Covenant were way too expensive. They should/could do more movies, but on a smaller scale again, which i would be fine with.
I don't think they will continue with this storyline, but there are so much storys and possibilities, i would love to see something during world war 2, where different nationalities have to work together to survive, it would so fit the "heat and conflict" aspect as well.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 27, 2018, 06:19:05 AM
It's just that this and Alien Covenant were way too expensive.
Prometheus was more expensive and did better. Don't remember if it was R-rated, could have been that or maybe not having ALIEN in the title helped it somehow.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 27, 2018, 07:00:05 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Sep 27, 2018, 06:19:05 AM
It's just that this and Alien Covenant were way too expensive.
Prometheus was more expensive and did better. Don't remember if it was R-rated, could have been that or maybe not having ALIEN in the title helped it somehow.
Don't forget the trailer for Prometheus was amazing. Lots of buzz surrounding that trailer.
Plus it was an "event" what with Ridley Scott returning to the Alien franchise for the first time, as as well marking the first time he'd made another sci-fi movie since Blade Runner. The Predator never had anywhere near as much hype behind it.
So, market an Alien film on the subtitle alone and the creatives behind it.
With an excellent trailer (No Alien Appearance)
Done.
Shane Black returning to predator, as the director this time, did have a similar appeal to it as Ridley Scott returning to alien did...
Maybe the only way left to do this is to bring Arnold back and team him up with a formidable A-list star. Which is what I thought The Predator was going to do when first announced in 2014.
The first trailer was shit, even me who adore predaror was dissapointed, then the testscreens that also were bad...
Theres a lot of talented directors capables of doing amazing action horror sci fi movies, dont bring divas like scott or black, they are not interested in the coherence of the saga, they want to push their stuff, even if its shit
I have considerable more interest in a Director with identity.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 27, 2018, 07:28:51 PM
Don't forget the trailer for Prometheus was amazing. Lots of buzz surrounding that trailer.
Damn I don't even remember that trailer.
Quote from: Kailem on Sep 27, 2018, 08:07:17 PM
Plus it was an "event" what with Ridley Scott returning to the Alien franchise for the first time, as as well marking the first time he'd made another sci-fi movie since Blade Runner. The Predator never had anywhere near as much hype behind it.
Ridley was the hype. But for Covenant it wasn't enough.
In the end despite being expensive Covenant and The Predator still could have made more money, other variables prevented that.
Quote from: Nathsp on Sep 27, 2018, 10:19:11 PM
The first trailer was shit, even me who adore predaror was dissapointed, then the testscreens that also were bad...
None of The Predator trailers gave me any hype. Predator 2 trailer was cheesy as f**k but still exciting.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Sep 27, 2018, 09:21:44 PM
Maybe the only way left to do this is to bring Arnold back and team him up with a formidable A-list star. Which is what I thought The Predator was going to do when first announced in 2014.
I think a film with a solid story, true to the lore of the character would be a good start. I don't think I'd want to see Arnie return, but if he did, I'd prefer it to be something more than him being hunted alongside his posse. As much as I disliked The Predator, I do tip my hat to it for at least trying something outside the formula.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 28, 2018, 02:01:38 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 27, 2018, 07:28:51 PM
Don't forget the trailer for Prometheus was amazing. Lots of buzz surrounding that trailer.
Damn I don't even remember that trailer.
It played really well in a dark theater. I remember hearing the audience react positive to it in several different occasions, especially during the last minute of it.
The Predator(Shane Black) looked cheap as hell. Bad photography. The ugly truth is Ridley Scott is a way, way, way better Director than Shane.
Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Sep 30, 2018, 11:13:05 PM
The Predator(Shane Black) looked cheap as hell. Bad photography. The ugly truth is Ridley Scott is a way, way, way better Director than Shane.
You don't even need to bring Ridley for comparison, Shane is on Brothers Strause level.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 01, 2018, 02:56:25 AM
Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Sep 30, 2018, 11:13:05 PM
The Predator(Shane Black) looked cheap as hell. Bad photography. The ugly truth is Ridley Scott is a way, way, way better Director than Shane.
You don't even need to bring Ridley for comparison, Shane is on Brothers Strause level.
That's ridiculous to me. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Iron Man 3, The Nice Guys are all excellent while AVPR is one of the worst films of all time. The Predator was a surprising step back but still miles beyond Requiem.
Quote from: viendammage on Oct 01, 2018, 04:26:14 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 01, 2018, 02:56:25 AM
Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Sep 30, 2018, 11:13:05 PM
The Predator(Shane Black) looked cheap as hell. Bad photography. The ugly truth is Ridley Scott is a way, way, way better Director than Shane.
You don't even need to bring Ridley for comparison, Shane is on Brothers Strause level.
That's ridiculous to me. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Iron Man 3, The Nice Guys are all excellent while AVPR is one of the worst films of all time. The Predator was a surprising step back but still miles beyond Requiem.
I sttoped reading after the iron man 3 excelent movie.
Now seriously, shane black is good if he has a new movie, if he has to do a sequel bad things happen.
Scott is good in visuals, if he has to create a story he delivers serious turds, if you look at his filmography he has good movies, but also some important turds...
Quote from: Nathsp on Oct 01, 2018, 07:56:31 AM
Quote from: viendammage on Oct 01, 2018, 04:26:14 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 01, 2018, 02:56:25 AM
Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Sep 30, 2018, 11:13:05 PM
The Predator(Shane Black) looked cheap as hell. Bad photography. The ugly truth is Ridley Scott is a way, way, way better Director than Shane.
You don't even need to bring Ridley for comparison, Shane is on Brothers Strause level.
That's ridiculous to me. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Iron Man 3, The Nice Guys are all excellent while AVPR is one of the worst films of all time. The Predator was a surprising step back but still miles beyond Requiem.
I sttoped reading after the iron man 3 excelent movie.
Iron Man 3 is both a critically and financially successful film, now if you like it or not is up to you, but don't act like your opinion weights in more that the average Joe's.
If you can't read/handle other peoples opinion because they don't match yours then
you got a problem, no one else.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 01, 2018, 10:07:48 AM
Quote from: Nathsp on Oct 01, 2018, 07:56:31 AM
Quote from: viendammage on Oct 01, 2018, 04:26:14 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 01, 2018, 02:56:25 AM
Quote from: CristianoRonaldo7 on Sep 30, 2018, 11:13:05 PM
The Predator(Shane Black) looked cheap as hell. Bad photography. The ugly truth is Ridley Scott is a way, way, way better Director than Shane.
You don't even need to bring Ridley for comparison, Shane is on Brothers Strause level.
That's ridiculous to me. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Iron Man 3, The Nice Guys are all excellent while AVPR is one of the worst films of all time. The Predator was a surprising step back but still miles beyond Requiem.
I sttoped reading after the iron man 3 excelent movie.
Iron Man 3 is both a critically and financially successful film, now if you like it or not is up to you, but don't act like your opinion weights in more that the average Joe's.
If you can't read/handle other peoples opinion because they don't match yours then you got a problem, no one else.
Relax, i was joking, anyway iron man 3, at least by most of the people i know is a bad movie, in my opinion it is, of course i respect you like it.
If you take a diffetent opinion an attack, and more if its joking, the problem is up to you.
And more if you cant se being objective that the predator, or at least 2/3 of the movie, is a complete mess
Iron man 3, to me, is the best film of the 3. Perhaps not the best 'Iron Man' movie but i find it to be a better film overal. I just cant help but love me some Shane Black dialogue.
Quote from: Russ840 on Oct 01, 2018, 03:37:08 PM
Iron man 3, to me, is the best film of the 3. Perhaps not the best 'Iron Man' movie but i find it to be a better film overal. I just cant help but love me some Shane Black dialogue.
I think iron man 1 is miles away from 2 and 3.. I even preffee iron man 2 than 3..
Aaaand, as usual, people don't care about cinema, and whine about their beloved character not treated the way THEY wanted it to be...
I think there are people who do take it a little too personally, but there should be at least some degree of standard for these characters.
Quote from: Nathsp on Oct 01, 2018, 03:39:40 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Oct 01, 2018, 03:37:08 PM
Iron man 3, to me, is the best film of the 3. Perhaps not the best 'Iron Man' movie but i find it to be a better film overal. I just cant help but love me some Shane Black dialogue.
I think iron man 1 is miles away from 2 and 3.. I even preffee iron man 2 than 3..
To me Iron Man 2 is weakest because it just gives you more of what you liked from part 1 without adding anything to it. I had fun with 3 because it takes Tony out of his element and enjoyed The Mandarin twist which was pretty gutsy. Maybe people felt cheated based on the trailers but that means they did a good job of marketing and you probably wouldn't appreciate a Lo-Pan style Chinese sorcerer in 2000 whatever. Plus Ben Kingsley was hilarious as the drunk actor.
Shane Black is best when it's a few characters bickering, Riggs and Murtaugh's odd couple aesthetic in Lethal Weapon, etc. and it worked well for the most part in The Predator with the misfits. It's a messy film to be sure but entertaining.
https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3524478/nobody-attends-hell-fest-predator-spine-ripped-box-office/
Predator & AVP -"We exist together now, two corpses in one grave."
At least it broke past the $100 million mark. That's a small comfort.
Last time I'm going to ask >> stop sniping at each other and be civil. You can both have this conversation without being rude.
Also I'm not interested in excuses or any such. Leave it alone. Continue on with the actual topic.
And snipped. That's all gone. That was nothing more than personal sniping and it's not welcome here.
Quote from: felix on Oct 02, 2018, 06:41:19 AM
At least it broke past the $100 million mark. That's a small comfort.
Too small for its budget. It have not even reached the 2x the budget mark. That would make this the biggest financial failure of all the movies so far. Shane and the studio failed this, they could have made a great movie but they wee too incompetent for that. If only Shane hadn't come up with his bad script or Fox hadn't accepted him we could have gotten maybe a Predators sequel or hell... any other idea might have done better than Shane's.
As of Oct 1st: Worldwide: $116,499,914 and growing.
When all is said and done, China could be the deciding factor if The Predator is at a loss / breaks even / mild success.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 03, 2018, 03:20:34 PM
Quote from: felix on Oct 02, 2018, 06:41:19 AM
At least it broke past the $100 million mark. That's a small comfort.
Too small for its budget. It have not even reached the 2x the budget mark. That would make this the biggest financial failure of all the movies so far. Shane and the studio failed this, they could have made a great movie but they wee too incompetent for that. If only Shane hadn't come up with his bad script or Fox hadn't accepted him we could have gotten maybe a Predators sequel or hell... any other idea might have done better than Shane's.
Yip. And John Davis was there when they made both AvP-R and Predators, if you mix those you get The Predator, just with added snappy dialogue.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 04, 2018, 07:32:14 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 03, 2018, 03:20:34 PM
Quote from: felix on Oct 02, 2018, 06:41:19 AM
At least it broke past the $100 million mark. That's a small comfort.
Too small for its budget. It have not even reached the 2x the budget mark. That would make this the biggest financial failure of all the movies so far. Shane and the studio failed this, they could have made a great movie but they wee too incompetent for that. If only Shane hadn't come up with his bad script or Fox hadn't accepted him we could have gotten maybe a Predators sequel or hell... any other idea might have done better than Shane's.
Yip. And John Davis was there when they made both AvP-R and Predators, if you mix those you get The Predator, just with added snappy dialogue.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
He was also there when they made Predator and Predator 2.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 04, 2018, 12:00:02 PM
He was also there when they made Predator and Predator 2.
Yup, he was also the one that got McTiernan and Arnold on board, Arnold got Stan Winston on board... the rest is history.
He's not the devil.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 04, 2018, 12:30:01 PM
He's not the devil.
Let's leave Randy Pitchford out of this, shall we? ;)
Lmfao
Box Office: If 'The Predator' Had Only Cost As Much As 'Predators,' It Would Already Be A Hit
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/10/08/box-office-if-the-predator-only-cost-as-much-as-predators-it-wouldve-been-a-hit/
I know there was reshoots but I'm still baffled as to how they spent so much making this movie. Given the actors, shooting locations, questionable CGI, it looks a $40/50 million movie at best.
Given Larry Fong was hired I was looking forward to seeing his influence yet compared to his other work there was no evidence he was behind a camera.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Oct 10, 2018, 07:19:00 AM
I know there was reshoots but I'm still baffled as to how they spent so much making this movie. Given the actors, shooting locations, questionable CGI, it looks a $40/50 million movie at best.
Given Larry Fong was hired I was looking forward to seeing his influence yet compared to his other work there was no evidence he was behind a camera.
They acepted a script that was trash, they saw it in the testscreens when it was late, so they tried to safe something via reshoots, and enden may be worse.
So for me the main problem is why the hell they go ahed with that shitty script, the excuse of the daylight cgi is also that, an excuse
I believe because Shane Black approached FOX with the stipulation it had to be an event film.
Then he hired his friends, Fred Dekker included- which may have not been the best choice.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 10, 2018, 10:10:02 AM
Then he hired his friends, Fred Dekker included- which may have not been the best choice.
Agreed.
With Italy, France, and the big player China still to go.. and if the predictions are right and it grosses $180 Million total, I have no doubt that there will definitely be another Predator film made at some point. Different creative team, slightly lower budget, but Predator will be back.
As Harrigan said... "Don't worry, asshole. You'll get another chance."
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 10, 2018, 12:37:40 AM
Box Office: If 'The Predator' Had Only Cost As Much As 'Predators,' It Would Already Be A Hit
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/10/08/box-office-if-the-predator-only-cost-as-much-as-predators-it-wouldve-been-a-hit/
That's what i said all along, the gross so far is pretty decent, with a couple of big markets yet to come... that budget though.
I'm a die hard Predator fan, but even i wouldn't have approved that budget, 60 million and it would all be fine.
Looking at it, it really doesn't matter though, the mouse takes over soon and i can see them selling Predator, Alien, Die Hard.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 10, 2018, 02:16:41 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 10, 2018, 12:37:40 AM
Box Office: If 'The Predator' Had Only Cost As Much As 'Predators,' It Would Already Be A Hit
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/10/08/box-office-if-the-predator-only-cost-as-much-as-predators-it-wouldve-been-a-hit/
That's what i said all along, the gross so far is pretty decent, with a couple of big markets yet to come... that budget though.
I'm a die hard Predator fan, but even i wouldn't have approved that budget, 60 million and it would all be fine.
Looking at it, it really doesn't matter though, the mouse takes over soon and i can see them selling Predator, Alien, Die Hard.
Very true. And to the right people, it may be a decision that benefits us fans. In that sense, I'm not all that worried. At least future producers may have a better idea of what works on screen for the franchise at this point. Maybe leave the larger scale productions for a time when the story and interest match the budget.
If anything, the Mouse has proven to be able to monetize even the least known characters and franchises. Selling them off would be most illogical.
Fox is looking to continue operating as Fox, just under Disney (there's a post about it in the Alien board). So instead of "A News Corp Company" at the bottom of the Fox logo you'll see "A Disney Company." It's the perfect opportunity for Disney to get adult-oriented content made and distributed without affecting the core Disney brand, much like they did with Miramax.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 12, 2018, 11:49:43 AM
Fox is looking to continue operating as Fox, just under Disney (there's a post about it in the Alien board). So instead of "A News Corp Company" at the bottom of the Fox logo you'll see "A Disney Company." It's the perfect opportunity for Disney to get adult-oriented content made and distributed without affecting the core Disney brand, much like they did with Miramax.
That would actually be pretty cool, you get the best out of both worlds, a new creative team behind successful blockbusters and the FOX fanfare before the movies.
If you expected anything else that'd be naive...
Gonna be a tough sell to make the Predator be intimidating to audiences after the Iron Man armor.
Quote from: genocyber on Oct 12, 2018, 06:53:16 PM
Gonna be a tough sell to make the Predator be intimidating to audiences after the Iron Man armor.
Not if it breaks, or the first person to use it accidentally transports themselves to another dimension with it. Likely somebody's living room on the predator homeworld.
And besides, there's really only one true "predator killer". As far as engaging and killing en masse goes, that is.
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 12, 2018, 07:42:58 PMAnd besides, there's really only one true "predator killer". As far as engaging and killing en masse goes, that is.
I think you meant to say "predator fodder" ;)
(https://expresselevatortohell.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/grid-vs-celtic-avp-aliens-vs-predator.gif)
Grid isn't the example I would use to say Predators are superior lol
Shit like that makes me miss the AVP movies.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 12, 2018, 08:02:34 PM
Grid isn't the example I would use to say Predators are superior lol
lol, true, however it's a fun gif to use for this occasion! ;D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 12, 2018, 07:59:27 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 12, 2018, 07:42:58 PMAnd besides, there's really only one true "predator killer". As far as engaging and killing en masse goes, that is.
I think you meant to say "predator fodder" ;)
https://expresselevatortohell.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/grid-vs-celtic-avp-aliens-vs-predator.gif
Ah yes, right before he was killed by the alien. ;)
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 12, 2018, 08:10:19 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 12, 2018, 07:59:27 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 12, 2018, 07:42:58 PMAnd besides, there's really only one true "predator killer". As far as engaging and killing en masse goes, that is.
I think you meant to say "predator fodder" ;)
https://expresselevatortohell.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/grid-vs-celtic-avp-aliens-vs-predator.gif
Ah yes, right before he was killed by the alien. ;)
That's because Aliens are so dimwitted that Predators tend to toy with them too much... ;D
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/13enAYoSoxyUne/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5bc102c7574e744b6faf2066)
Rather Predators are so arrogant and prideful, thus to underestimate their opponents- which is without exception their fatal flaw.
Scarface learned, that's why he's the best one.
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Quote from: Huggs on Oct 12, 2018, 08:10:19 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 12, 2018, 07:59:27 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 12, 2018, 07:42:58 PMAnd besides, there's really only one true "predator killer". As far as engaging and killing en masse goes, that is.
I think you meant to say "predator fodder" ;)
https://expresselevatortohell.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/grid-vs-celtic-avp-aliens-vs-predator.gif
Ah yes, right before he was killed by the alien. ;)
That's because Aliens are so dimwitted that Predators tend to toy with them too much... ;D
https://media1.giphy.com/media/13enAYoSoxyUne/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5bc102c7574e744b6faf2066
Ah, the college days. You conveniently gloss over the fact that Xeno graduated with honors, and a degree in biomechanical engineering. Pred however, well, I didn't know art history was crucial to selling cotton candy. ;D
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 12, 2018, 08:30:58 PM
Rather Predators are so arrogant and prideful, thus to underestimate their opponents- which is without exception their fatal flaw.
Scarface learned, that's why he's the best one.
Touché
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 12, 2018, 08:32:10 PM
Ah, the college days. You conveniently gloss over the fact that Xeno graduated with honors, and a degree in biomechanical engineering. Pred however, well, I didn't know art history was crucial to selling cotton candy. ;D
LOL! You win!
https://twitter.com/ERCboxoffice/status/1051499647112335360
Dead for twenty years then?
As expected, at least by me ;D
https://twitter.com/ERCboxoffice/status/1051504405252460544
$125,711,768 Million so far with France (Oct. 17) and the biggie China (Oct. 26) still to go. Estimates have it finishing 170-180M.
Nah, Predator will be back, just with a lower budget
Fox never quite grasped what was the big draw with Predator. It was an ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER film! Arnie fighting an Alien. That's what it was about. The same goes for the Aliens series. It was about Ripley (Sigourney Weaver) vs. the Aliens. It's been diminishing returns ever since these films deviated from their hedgehog concept, with every subsequent film aping the original recipe while getting more-or-less diminishing returns.
Here is my bet. If the next Predator film brought back Arnold Schwarzenegger in a starring role it would be a hit. If the next Aliens film brought back Sigourney Weaver and the surviving stars from Aliens and continued where that movie left off, it would be a hit. Other wise, every film skirts around the recipe yet does not quite deliver.
Ellen Ripley's story is over.
Alan Dutch Schaefer returning as a mentor/leader or even antagonist still could work though.
They spent way too much on this film and Black was not the guy to revive it. The whole action comedy thing didn't work for people, but we kinda knew it was doomed when the script leaked last year.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Oct 14, 2018, 05:18:45 PM
They spent way too much on this film and Black was not the guy to revive it. The whole action comedy thing didn't work for people, but we kinda knew it was doomed when the script leaked last year.
Everyone saw that the script was bad as hell, why fox let him continue with it? They had to see the crap done to realise it?
Why do I have a feeling one of these days I'm going to go see The Predator finally and I'm really going to enjoy it? Never fails. Whenever someone poo-poos a film, it turns out good. Ahhh, low expectations..
I enjoyed it, in the moment for one viewing- that doesn't mean it's good, or even worth owning on home media.
And I enjoyed it too.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 14, 2018, 04:52:30 PM
Here is my bet. If the next Predator film brought back Arnold Schwarzenegger in a starring role it would be a hit. If the next Aliens film brought back Sigourney Weaver and the surviving stars from Aliens and continued where that movie left off, it would be a hit. Other wise, every film skirts around the recipe yet does not quite deliver.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 14, 2018, 05:03:30 PM
Alan Dutch Schaefer returning as a mentor/leader or even antagonist still could work though.
While I enjoy the action-comedy of The Predator, I didn't really enjoy the Predator lore aspect of the film - primarily because it didn't really know what it wanted to do in the end. I do agree that being Arnie back as some sort of mentor role would be a massive draw. Problem is all his returns in Terminator haven't exactly been a huge draw (as far as I'm aware). I think any future film is going to be have an up-hill battle. If we get another one.
The thing is this, the Predator as a character only gets the fanboys into the seats, while this movie was largely ignored by the general public. They should get an action star, someone with a bit of presence.
Boyd who? Yeah. Alien Covenant at least had Fassbender, that helped a bit. Ever since AvP they rely on the Predator only and i think that's a mistake.
Get someone like Gerard Butler, Statham etc., they do small action movies (40 - 60 million) and each one is a success. The Rock is too expensive by now, but damn it woul be cool to get someone like this in a leading role.
I didnt care for The Meg at first, but when i saw that they cast Statham i was curious, as were others, as that movie made a shitload of cash... and my god, it was fun, but also really dumb, people don't care about quality and/or reviews if they are curious.
Shane Black isn't Ridley Scott either.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 11:36:26 AM
Shane Black isn't Ridley Scott either.
I hadn't heard about the Russo brothers, Colin Trevorrow... yet their movies made 4 billion. I don't think directors are a selling point in todays cinema, it's the brand and the stars.
On a sidenote: Shane Black made more with Iron Man 3 than Ridleys past 5 movies combined... so, there goes that.
Then Predator is finished.
No stars.
Or creatives.
I agree, the Alien franchise is more encline to attract stars than the predator franchise, by a mile.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 12:27:02 PM
Then Predator is f**ked.
(Because it hasn't the brand to attract stars.)
Or creatives.
Not really, if they do another movie in the vein of Predators it's all fine and dandy. 3 times the budget plus another 30 - 40 million in DVD sales... and that had an Oscar winning actor in it's lead.
It just means we won't get another 90 million Predator movie, which is fine by me.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 11:36:26 AM
Shane Black isn't Ridley Scott either.
If I take Ridley's body of work out of it and I just looked at "Alien Covenant", than I would say yes. Yes, Shane Black is Ridley Scott. :P
QuoteThen Predator is finished
I didn't realize that. Thanks for letting us know. No reason to be here now. I'll delete my account. ::)
People said that after AvP-R, and in fact, the franchise came back stronger than both AvP's, with not only an oscar winning actor but also a great producer and a bunch of talented people behind and in front of the camera.
I'm relaxed, it's always the same when a movie comes out and it's getting pretty boring though.
In a couple of years, the next movie will be announced, people eat their words... been there, done that.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 15, 2018, 08:34:23 AM
Get someone like Gerard Butler, Statham etc., they do small action movies (40 - 60 million) and each one is a success.
I LOVE this idea. Especially Gerald Butler!
That has always been blatantly obvious to me. Give us a memorable hero with on-screen presence in a Predator movie! Arnold had that charisma. He had that gravitas. Even Danny Glover had it. But when villians like Laurence Fishburne and Sterling K. Brown are outshining your 'charactor actor' heroes on screen played by Adrien Brody and Boyd Holbrook (which both lack natural lead charisma), you've casted your hero incorrectly!
Gerald Butler, haha.
Good one.
Yeah after "Gods of Egypt" and "Geostorm", how would he ever stoop to the level of Predator? ::)
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 15, 2018, 01:40:56 PM
People said that after AvP-R,
I get that AVPR failed in regards to its reception to both critics and the fanbase, but it did 3 times its budget despite being rated R. So Fox got what they wanted out of it.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 15, 2018, 01:32:47 PM
QuoteThen Predator is finished
I didn't realize that. Thanks for letting us know. No reason to be here now. I'll delete my account. ::)
Childish response. I was making the point that if the franchise can't acquire stars-
and Directors don't matter as Johnny Handsome claims (Which is B.S) then the franchise is effectively done.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 02:58:52 PM
Childish response. I was making the point that if the franchise can't acquire stars-
and Directors don't matter as Johnny Handsome claims (Which is B.S) then the franchise is effectively done.
It was actually meant as sarcasm, but gotcha. To be 100% honest, in all fairness, the point you just made above, I got. It was 100% Crystal Clear! But re-reading the previous comments, it's not that clear to be honest.
And to your point. I disagree. I've seen franchise have incredible sustainability without quality directors and actors like the Halloween franchise, Friday the 13th, Childs Play, AvP ;D ,Transformers, Resident Evil, and so on and so on. But I do hope in the future, there will be better talent behind the Predator franchise.
Out of curiosity.
How would you feel about Predator becoming a true slasher franchise with a new low-budget entry every couple years?
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 03:24:44 PM
Out of curiosity.
How would you feel about Predator becoming a true slasher franchise with a new low-budget entry every couple years?
I think I could get behind it personally. Sure I would love a big-budget scifi extravaganza, but I'm not certain Predator could support that long term. Plus low-budget production houses like Blumhouse have produced some real quality output imo.
Fair enough.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 15, 2018, 01:32:47 PM
QuoteThen Predator is finished
I didn't realize that. Thanks for letting us know. No reason to be here now. I'll delete my account. ::)
Childish response. I was making the point that if the franchise can't acquire stars-
and Directors don't matter as Johnny Handsome claims (Which is B.S) then the franchise is effectively done.
I.. what? I
was making the point that stars matter, hence my post about leading guys like Statham etc., please read before responding.
Directors? Not so much, as is showing basically with every big Hollywood Blockbuster doing a billion directed by guys no one heard about, and that's a fact. Infinity War and Jurassic World just being two of them, this year.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 15, 2018, 03:44:54 PM
Directors? Not so much, as is showing basically with every big Hollywood Blockbuster doing a billion directed by guys no one heard about, and that's a fact. Infinity War and Jurassic World just being two of them, this year.
True, Marvel pulled the Russo Bros from directing episodes of the "Community" sitcom and turned them into A-List directors! Winter Soldier? Civil War? Infinity War? Wow! Marvel tapped Scott Derrickson from blumhouse for Dr. Strange (after seeing his cheap but wonderful "Sinister"). Hardly anyone knew or cared for James Gunn before "Guardians of the Galaxy". The list goes on, and that's just Marvel!
No big director names needed. Plenty of cheap carbon out there capable of becoming diamonds. The key certainly is recognizing talent that fits the right situation.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 02:58:52 PM
I was making the point that if the franchise can't acquire stars-
and Directors don't matter as Johnny Handsome claims (Which is B.S) then the franchise is effectively done.
The point is- accomplished Directors/Writers > recognizable actors.
The franchise requires the former- but not
necessarily the latter.
Ridley Scott's work before The Duelists? Excellent beforehand.
The Predator's failure, is the script/concept foremost,
not the stars.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 04:36:06 PM
The Russo Bros' work, good beforehand.
Russos sitcom work was definitely mixed. Their only two feature films were "Welcome to Collinwood" and "You, Me & Depree", and both were Rotten Tomatoes and not worth your time imo.
QuoteJames Gunn's work, good beforehand.
"Super"? Nope. "Movie 43"? Heck no! Rotten, rotten tomatoes. "Slither" I think critics liked (even though I didn't) but it was older than his bad movies, years older, so it wasn't like he just came off of that directly into GotG.
Your memory seems to be much kinder to these directors than what they produced I'm afraid. It's a great quality to have though! Sometimes with directors it's just finding the right fit! That's how the same director can direct Casino Royale as well as Green Lantern! :)
Fair enough.
Fair points, but to be fair you can see the parallels between where their strength lies in their previous work.
& Their work from the MCU.
Kevin Feige utilized this.
Different scenario.
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Quote from: The Old One on Oct 15, 2018, 02:58:52 PM
I was making the point that if the franchise can't acquire stars-
and Directors don't matter as Johnny Handsome claims (Which is B.S) then the franchise is effectively done.
The point is- accomplished Directors/Writers > recognizable actors.
The franchise requires the former- but not necessarily the latter.
The Russo Bros' work, good beforehand.
James Gunn's work, good beforehand.
Ridley Scott's work before The Duelists? Excellent beforehand.
The Predator's failure, is the script/concept foremost, not the stars.
Shane Black's work, good beforehand
Yes, and The failure lies in the script and concept.
Yeah but we will never know if that is the reason the film failed, because Black and Dekkers script is not what we got. We got a choppy, poorly edited film due to a rewrite and reshoot of the third act.
It is felt throughout the film and I don't think this film is Shane Black's vision.
Quote from: Russ840 on Oct 15, 2018, 06:27:38 PM
Yeah but we will never know if that is the reason the film failed, because Black and Dekkers script is not what we got. We got a choppy, poorly edited film due to a rewrite and reshoot of the third act.
It is felt throughout the film and I don't think this film is Shane Black's vision.
It has a fair amount of Shane Black's vision in it IMO, but also a lot of studio meddling obviously. But Black was always going to do his thing, put his balls on the table and say "f**k it all i'll try to do it my way, but it has to be set in the predator universe", with all the problems we know that resulted from that.
I had no problems with ideas he puts forward. Just their execution, which is poor as a result of studio meddling. I like that he wanted to expand things. Otherwise we end up with stagnant carbon copies of previous films.
Quote from: Russ840 on Oct 15, 2018, 07:11:06 PM
I had no problems with ideas he puts forward. Just their execution, which is poor as a result of studio meddling. I like that he wanted to expand things. Otherwise we end up with stagnant carbon copies of previous films.
I agree on numerous points regarding bad execution (there are also greatly executed shots/ideas too), but we must admit that for a classic predator fan it was always deemed to be a very weird and polarizing experience.
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Quote from: Russ840 on Oct 15, 2018, 07:11:06 PM
I had no problems with ideas he puts forward. Just their execution, which is poor as a result of studio meddling. I like that he wanted to expand things. Otherwise we end up with stagnant carbon copies of previous films.
I agree on numerous points regarding bad execution (there are also greatly executed shots/ideas too), but we must admit that for a classic predator fan it was always deemed to be a very weird and polarizing experience.
I can't argue with that.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Oct 15, 2018, 02:23:42 PM
Gerald Butler, haha.
Good one.
I knew Gerald Butler. He was an a**hole. :D
:laugh:
So after the China release, this movie will probably surpass 150 million worldwide, correct? That loses money, but doesn't lose THAT much. A future Predator movie may not be a dismal as I previously thought...
Problem is they likely spent 150 between production, marketing, and costly reshoots.
China?
"It won't make any difference."
Quote from: dHunter333 on Oct 17, 2018, 12:14:05 AM
So after the China release, this movie will probably surpass 150 million worldwide, correct? That loses money, but doesn't lose THAT much. A future Predator movie may not be a dismal as I previously thought...
With China and france involved (China a likely gross between 24 - 30 m and france between 4 - 5 m) this movie will break even. Not what FOX wanted, but that opens the door for a nice return in home video versus just breaking even and no money at all. So when everything is set and done, it will be profitable.
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Quote from: dHunter333 on Oct 17, 2018, 12:14:05 AM
So after the China release, this movie will probably surpass 150 million worldwide, correct? That loses money, but doesn't lose THAT much. A future Predator movie may not be a dismal as I previously thought...
With China and france involved (China a likely gross between 24 - 30 m and france between 4 - 5 m) this movie will break even. Not what FOX wanted, but that opens the door for a nice return in home video versus just breaking even and no money at all. So when everything is set and done, it will be profitable.
Hopefully not profitable enough for them to move forward with a sequel to The Predator.
Just enough to see something new (again...).
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Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2018, 09:22:50 AM
Quote from: dHunter333 on Oct 17, 2018, 12:14:05 AM
So after the China release, this movie will probably surpass 150 million worldwide, correct? That loses money, but doesn't lose THAT much. A future Predator movie may not be a dismal as I previously thought...
With China and france involved (China a likely gross between 24 - 30 m and france between 4 - 5 m) this movie will break even. Not what FOX wanted, but that opens the door for a nice return in home video versus just breaking even and no money at all. So when everything is set and done, it will be profitable.
Hopefully not profitable enough for them to move forward with a sequel to The Predator.
Just enough to see something new (again...).
Definitely no direct sequel to The Predator, but likely a sequel with a new incursion and plot in a couple of years, so in line with the others.
I smile everytime someone says "Predator is done"... it truly is not, the possibilities and storys are endless with the character, it's one of the advantages of not having the franchise connected to a single character, also the character is so versatile, the variations and costumes, weapons, armour... you can start fresh with every sequel and still have it play in the same sandbox.
I'm pretty damn happy that i get the chance to visit my favourite movie monster every couple of years in a real movie theater.
Compare it to other monster/Sci-fi franchises over the years, just a couple that pop up in my mind:
Tremors --> Direct to DvD
Pumpkinhead --> Direct to DvD --> Dead
Starship Troopers --> Direct to DvD
Critters --> Direct to DvD --> Dead
X-Tro --> Direct to DvD --> Dead
The Thing --> Dead
Predator is actually doing pretty good, in comparison. The fans are still there, and while it's not doing Blockbuster numbers, there is still money to be made.
Quote from: goose_3387 on Oct 17, 2018, 09:45:29 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2018, 09:22:50 AM
Quote from: dHunter333 on Oct 17, 2018, 12:14:05 AM
So after the China release, this movie will probably surpass 150 million worldwide, correct? That loses money, but doesn't lose THAT much. A future Predator movie may not be a dismal as I previously thought...
With China and france involved (China a likely gross between 24 - 30 m and france between 4 - 5 m) this movie will break even. Not what FOX wanted, but that opens the door for a nice return in home video versus just breaking even and no money at all. So when everything is set and done, it will be profitable.
Hopefully not profitable enough for them to move forward with a sequel to The Predator.
Just enough to see something new (again...).
Exactly!
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2018, 09:22:50 AM
Quote from: dHunter333 on Oct 17, 2018, 12:14:05 AM
So after the China release, this movie will probably surpass 150 million worldwide, correct? That loses money, but doesn't lose THAT much. A future Predator movie may not be a dismal as I previously thought...
With China and france involved (China a likely gross between 24 - 30 m and france between 4 - 5 m) this movie will break even. Not what FOX wanted, but that opens the door for a nice return in home video versus just breaking even and no money at all. So when everything is set and done, it will be profitable.
Trust me, it won't do those numbers in France :laugh:
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Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 17, 2018, 09:22:50 AM
Quote from: dHunter333 on Oct 17, 2018, 12:14:05 AM
So after the China release, this movie will probably surpass 150 million worldwide, correct? That loses money, but doesn't lose THAT much. A future Predator movie may not be a dismal as I previously thought...
With China and france involved (China a likely gross between 24 - 30 m and france between 4 - 5 m) this movie will break even. Not what FOX wanted, but that opens the door for a nice return in home video versus just breaking even and no money at all. So when everything is set and done, it will be profitable.
Trust me, it won't do those numbers in France :laugh:
My estimates are possible, those are numbers based on past Predator movies, if you compare
Predators to
The Predator international Boxoffice, they are roughly the same, with some countries outperforming past revenues by far (In Mexico it already did over twice as much as Predators, it also did more in Russia and Thailand, just to name a few).
It's very likely France will be no exception and it will do a little more than Predators, which would be 4 - 5 million. We'll see.
I'm french, trust me french people are not that interested in predator in 2018 ;)
If Predators didn't do well enough to warrant a direct follow-up (despite Robert Rodriguez mentioning that Fox had talked about wanting one at the time) then no way The Predator will get one either.
This. Granted, anything is possible, however if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say that we're safe from The Predator Killer. Still wish I knew what exactly happened with Rodriguez and the sequel - like anything other than the whole "less than desired numbers" for Predators.
With an 88 million dollar budget, what does it need to take in box office wise to break even?
You also have to account the extensive reshoots and marketing campaign, so Fox isn't just 88 million in on The Predator.
See I think the 88 mil includes reshoots. Based on how Predators did, Fox most likely gave Shane an initial budget of 65 mil. I also wouldn't be surprised if the additional reshoots took money that was budgeted for advertising and promotion as I didn't see a ton of advertising for the film. It's all speculation though as Hollywood will never give us an itemized ledger of the entire cost of a film.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 14, 2018, 05:03:30 PM
Ellen Ripley's story is over.
Alan Dutch Schaefer returning as a mentor/leader or even antagonist still could work though.
It's only over in 1 fictional timeline. By most accounts, it ended in a very unsatisfying way. A continuation of Ripley's story along a different path could be quite compelling if done well. Many other stories could also be compelling. However many of the other stories don't have a clock ticking for them. The remaining stars of Aliens are getting older, and their chance to participate in a good Aliens film is not without limits.
I think there is something to be said for using a popular cast which people are rooting for. These are Aliens films, granted, but they are still people stories. Without a connection to the people, the stories can easily become uprooted, or without a foundation. An exploration of the world of the Aliens without the core characters is what the Silmarillion is to the LOTR series.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 21, 2018, 03:59:49 AM
The remaining stars of Aliens are getting older, and their chance to participate in a good Aliens film is not without limits.
I've been saying this for awhile. And it's not just a matter of an actor/actress passing away, they may also choose to retire at any time. I'm sure people like Arnold and Weaver will keep going as long as possible. But, there might come a day when either wishes to call it a career, and go enjoy their remaining years how they see fit.
An alternative line with newt and hicks could be interesting, i endend liking alien 3, but not the part they die..
I really like Alien 3. But the Aliens series always was a question of different possibilities. Is the creature sitting in the derelict ship an elephant nosed alien or is he a large human in a suit? There are unlimited ways of spinning the story at every divergent juncture. Alien 3 is one valid direction though admittedly it closes the series as nobody wants to continue from that jumping off point. An alternate telling of a sequel to Aliens would be just as valid.
No.
New sequel after A3, or Resurrection.
No Ellen Ripley.
The franchise lucked out with Resurrection just featuring a clone. Ellen Ripley had her time. To lose to the Alien was a realistic and unavoidable ending, thus it was the proper conclusion to her story arc. But, her character went out with dignity and strength.
Any new films should focus on all new characters born after her death, and ones that are not related to, nor resemble her in any way.
Embracing Nostalgia for the sake of money is a good way to screw up a franchise. It's always best to quit while ahead. Ripley quit on Fury 161. I hope the studio respects that narrative choice, lest they should turn Alien into the Terminator franchise.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 21, 2018, 01:12:55 PM
No.
New sequel after A3, or Resurrection.
No Ellen Ripley.
Nobody wants to direct that sequel. You're asking for prequels, or side-quels, i.e. stories that have no relation to the core story which revolved around Ripley. I can't imagine any director clamoring to direct that either.
The "core story" is over.
The Cold Forge proves sequels, with no relation to the original-
have the potential to be just as, if not more compelling than the original.
(Prometheus should have been that sequel, and set after AR, but it failed in its' writing.)
(It will happen again, this time correctly- someday.)
Cold Forge, a loose adaptation of Alien Isolation, and an alternate Alien 3 could all work out really well. It's all in the execution and the story.
Alien Isolation's perfect as it is.
& so is A3.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 21, 2018, 08:48:36 PM
Alien Isolation's perfect as it is.
& so is A3.
For a video game, yes. For a film, I'm not so sure. There is a lot of longueur in the game. If you bring it down to 2 hours, what really happened in the game? How did Amanda's character value change? Did she start at one place and end up at another in terms of who she is? If not, it won't be compelling on film. Something else needs to take place there.
True, but I have no interest in a film adaptation regardless.
I love Isolation, as Isolation.
Perhaps the novelisation's a superior candidate?
I guess we'll see about the novelization when it comes out.
Anyway, we are off topic, but we were talking about future films. Isolation has enough in it that it could be made into a good film. The main character just has to start on one value, and end up on another.
A3 is perfect (almost) for what it tries to be. An alternate telling of a post-Aliens reality may also be perfect.
Amanda was rescued and lived her life. Future Comics and videogames aside, that's enough. She found out what happened to her mother, and likely realized that she lacked the resources and connections to find her little needle in a stack of space. She moved on, and did what Burke said she did. Now, it's just my opinion, but I personally don't see the need to go any further in-depth with her character. It's certainly not film worthy.
As for Alien 3. To some it's great. To some it's terrible. Either way, after the different cuts, it's as good as it's going to get. It was made, it has it's place. Retconning it with something else is just like probing around in an old wound. For good or bad, it's in slot number 3. Best not to pollute it further with even more craziness like retconning.
With regards to the future of the franchise on film, somebody in charge needs to remember that it takes place in the future. Humans are working in space. Hypersleep is a reality. The money and manpower apparently exist to send regular people across vast distances, just for Ore. Something tells me it's quite possible for people other than the Ripley's to run into something nasty out there in the dark. I'd like to see some new characters, in new situations, that don't involve the past, or over-emphasis on artificial intelligence. We've yet to see the future, post Ripley. At least, not one that can be taken seriously.
I love The Cold Forge, so...
New stories, new characters- new vision.
Alien³ revision? David Fincher, no other.
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 21, 2018, 10:21:55 PM
I've said it before and will again, the only person with any business remaking Alien³ is David Fincher.
The odds of that though. It's such a shame. I thought his style meshed quite well with the franchise.
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 24, 2018, 01:40:11 PM
The $65m is still very optimistic
$55m is probably the top domestic
I stand by it.
I hate being almost right.
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 27, 2018, 03:16:48 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 24, 2018, 01:40:11 PM
The $65m is still very optimistic
$55m is probably the top domestic
I stand by it.
I hate being almost right.
Domestic is overrated.
Looks like 14 Million in two days in China. Guessing an approximate 20 Million opening weekend?
The domestic run is all but over and if this opens to 20 million in china... man this is one disappointing outing.
127 mil at the moment, a month before home release.
Good enough to venture another one in ten years or so, unless Disney puts the lid on it.
I'd try establishing a more linked universe on the background through videogames and combine it with a properly planned roadmap for the franchise instead of just pop them out like firecrackers with no sense of direction other than try different approaches.
That worldwide: $127,481,403 gross is as of October 25th, so China will add on top of that.
Anyone want to stab a guess where it will end up? Maybe 160 Mill?
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 28, 2018, 11:47:25 AM
I'd try establishing a more linked universe on the background through videogames and combine it with a properly planned roadmap for the franchise instead of just pop them out like firecrackers with no sense of direction other than try different approaches.
A netfix series or equivalent is also a possibility, but that idea might live or die on how successful the Alien series is (if it even comes to fruition).
Don't forget the advertising expenses, which can be considerable. It might still break even, or just barely over.
How much was put into it total?
I don't think bottom line totals are ever officially released to the public. And too often I hear studio representation say what we find on the internet in regards to budgetary & promotional expenses are off, yet they never seem to oblige us with the corrections.
So ultimately I think we'll never know. It will always remain a guessing game, especially when gauging a state of "breaking even" with movies that are just moderately successful.
Well the reported budget is 88 million and considering that studio execs seemed to be wary of it's performance. I don't think the marketing budget was all that big. However I also don't think they added in the cost of reshoots, so probably just add another 40m to the 88m reported. It could make some coin in home/streaming sales but I don't think it's as good a deal for the studio in the last decade or so.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 28, 2018, 12:00:34 PM
Anyone want to stab a guess where it will end up? Maybe 160 Mill?
Something like that. I find it hard to believe it will make over 2 times its budget. China will decide its fate.
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 28, 2018, 01:59:43 PM
Don't forget the advertising expenses, which can be considerable. It might still break even, or just barely over.
Not sure about advertisement outside US market, in the Netherlands promotion was virtually nill.
why is that poster better than the entire movie.
Respect to the artists who painted Chinese posters. I like chinese promotion of The Predator. Promotion was so good. I can't imagine the disappointment of chinese audience who have seen this movie. :-[
As a fan I feel conflicted.
On the one hand I want it to be successful enough so that we get a sequel (that hopefully ignores this film) but on the other hand I feel the studio deserves to take a hit for taking such a huge dump and expecting us to swallow.
Quote from: HashTag_TheSwag on Oct 29, 2018, 04:10:11 PM
As a fan I feel conflicted.
On the one hand I want it to be successful enough so that we get a sequel (that hopefully ignores this film) but on the other hand I feel the studio deserves to take a hit for taking such a huge dump and expecting us to swallow.
I think the same. I just hope this is not the end. Whatever film was a failure I'm in any case hoped for success at the box office. It seems I am even ready to put up with this crazy plot. I just want to see new movies in the future. Let them complete the story with Predator Killer costume and start a new story. I don't want my favorite franchise to be abandoned due to a failed movie.
I think it's dead Jim.
Netflix or similar from now on.
If ever.
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 29, 2018, 10:06:45 PM
If ever.
'If ever' is more deserving to a franchise like "The Thing", when the 2011 prequel made a total of 27 Million Worldwide (on a 38 Million budget), or the Conan reboot with Jason Momoa making only 48 Million total worldwide (on a 90 Million budget!)
No, Predator (and Alien for that matter) will likely be back one day in cinemas. With lesser budgets, but they'll be back.
I'm glad to hear that The Predator is still pulling in some money. This movie was a disappointment me! I LOVE this franchise so much, but I really feel with the acquisition of Fox by Disney and The Predator and Alien Covenant's less than stellar performance we've seen the end of the series on the big screen. Honestly I feel like the predator or alien franchise would be so GREAT in a series format on Netflix or Hulu.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 29, 2018, 11:24:57 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 29, 2018, 10:06:45 PM
If ever.
'If ever' is more deserving to a franchise like "The Thing", when the 2011 prequel made a total of 27 Million Worldwide (on a 38 Million budget), or the Conan reboot with Jason Momoa making only 48 Million total worldwide (on a 90 Million budget!)
No, Predator (and Alien for that matter) will likely be back one day in cinemas. With lesser budgets, but they'll be back.
Predator = Netflix or similar.
Alien = one more chance at $100+ budget
Unfortunately
Predator could only work again with Schwarzenegger's return. I could see him pushing pencils for the CIA and then opportunity knocks...
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 30, 2018, 12:34:03 AM
Alien = one more chance at $100+ budget
I don't think they will give that much to Ridley this time.
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 30, 2018, 12:34:03 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 29, 2018, 11:24:57 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 29, 2018, 10:06:45 PM
If ever.
'If ever' is more deserving to a franchise like "The Thing", when the 2011 prequel made a total of 27 Million Worldwide (on a 38 Million budget), or the Conan reboot with Jason Momoa making only 48 Million total worldwide (on a 90 Million budget!)
No, Predator (and Alien for that matter) will likely be back one day in cinemas. With lesser budgets, but they'll be back.
Predator = Netflix or similar.
Alien = one more chance at $100+ budget
Unfortunately
I highly doubt they'll actually spend more than the "Alien Covenant" 97 Million budget, when Alien is currently on a decline trajectory and couldn't exceed 74 Million total in the U.S. Economically it would make sense to shrink the budget in another theatrical attempt (unless Sigourney Weaver was to return).
Now unless Arnold Schwarzenegger would return, I could see future Predator theatrical films thrive with a shrunken Halloween / slasher / John Wick type of budget, a visiting Predator in different Earth situations. You make them for 20-40 Million and make some healthy coin.
But even on Netflix, I would be excited. All I'm saying is your "if ever" possibly dead category is not deserving of a movie that might finish around 170 Million worldwide, regardless if the 88 million budget does or does not include the unplanned reshoots. Cheers.
Our China side expects the box office to reach 300 million yuan. :)
Quote from: Xuan on Oct 30, 2018, 05:00:02 AM
Our China side expects the box office to reach 300 million yuan. :)
Nice! Whether you like the film or not it's now the highest grossing Predator film. It took the top spot in its opening weekend in the major markets. And I'd be willing to bet that it'll be the top selling Blu-ray come home release. The franchise is far from dead and an unrelated sequel will most likely happen in 5 plus years. However I would like to see a show on FX or a similar network 8-10 episodes long. I'm thinking along the lines of a "Band of Brothers" meets Predator either set during WW2 (Pacific theatre) or during the Vietnam War.
Is that alot or is it like $25 us lol
Quote from: bobcunk on Oct 30, 2018, 04:47:53 PM
Is that alot or is it like $25 us lol
It's about $43 million which would put the final box office total to around $170 million.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Oct 30, 2018, 04:51:58 PM
Quote from: bobcunk on Oct 30, 2018, 04:47:53 PM
Is that alot or is it like $25 us lol
It's about $43 million which would put the final box office total to around $170 million.
Bad numbers. Even COVENANT did better than this.
It's all relative to cost.
John Wick only grossed $88 Million worldwide. That doesn't sound great at all, until we learn it only cost $20 Million to make. That's why we got a Chapter 2, with a third film on the way.
So Predator will be fine if they just bring the budget down. More stories on Earth can be made cheaply enough. Even if the film went off-world, other worldly desert, jungle, and mountain terrain can be found by a crafty director without set creation (although the sets created in some cheap fan films have been very impressive).
Not saying that I could, but I do think it is possible to make a 30-40 milion film in this franchise that honors the legacy better.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 30, 2018, 08:32:15 PM
John Wick only grossed $88 Million worldwide. That doesn't sound great at all, until we learn it only cost $20 Million to make. That's why we got a Chapter 2, with a third film on the way.
Budgets aside, John Wick is also the new kid on the block, and he's got a lot of shiny toys. Just the gun-fu angle alone has the kids going crazy, R-rating or not. It's new, it's popular, and it has style. It clicks with teenagers, gun guys, action fanatics, etc. I'd dare say it has a much bigger market at this time than Predator.
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 31, 2018, 12:08:54 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 30, 2018, 08:32:15 PM
John Wick only grossed $88 Million worldwide. That doesn't sound great at all, until we learn it only cost $20 Million to make. That's why we got a Chapter 2, with a third film on the way.
Budgets aside, John Wick is also the new kid on the block, and he's got a lot of shiny toys. Just the gun-fu angle alone has the kids going crazy, R-rating or not. It's new, it's popular, and it has style. It clicks with teenagers, gun guys, action fanatics, etc. I'd dare say it has a much bigger market at this time than Predator.
I definitely hear you, yet "John Wick: Chapter 2" finished last year at 171 Million Worldwide and "The Predator" will finish at the same number this year, sooooo.... ;)
Well written and filmed, Predator can definitely survive, even thrive in a slasher franchise model. I just wish Blumhouse owned the property!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 31, 2018, 12:12:34 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 31, 2018, 12:08:54 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 30, 2018, 08:32:15 PM
John Wick only grossed $88 Million worldwide. That doesn't sound great at all, until we learn it only cost $20 Million to make. That's why we got a Chapter 2, with a third film on the way.
Budgets aside, John Wick is also the new kid on the block, and he's got a lot of shiny toys. Just the gun-fu angle alone has the kids going crazy, R-rating or not. It's new, it's popular, and it has style. It clicks with teenagers, gun guys, action fanatics, etc. I'd dare say it has a much bigger market at this time than Predator.
I definitely hear you, yet "John Wick: Chapter 2" finished last year at 171 Million Worldwide and "The Predator" will finish at the same number this year, sooooo.... ;)
Predators only made around 127mil and it was made for 40 mil. Not a bad return, but it's only 127mil worth of movie tickets. And after what happened to Covenant, they should have anticipated a more realistic demand for this film, and the budget should've reflected it. But there's always a chance they thought that because the director of Ironman 3 was helming it, and there was going to be copious amounts of the high-school humor studios seem to think is necessary in order to get anyone to watch these days, that it would be a smash hit.
The mistake was made when it left paper. It was a bad idea, and one for a franchise with less than the highest demand. Why nobody in charge could foresee it, is beyond me.
Not strictly related to The Predator but still interesting and pretty on the mark - https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/10/29/box-office-why-halloween-succeeded-where-blade-runner-and-ghostbusters-failed/
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 01, 2018, 09:31:55 AM
Not strictly related to The Predator but still interesting and pretty on the mark - https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/10/29/box-office-why-halloween-succeeded-where-blade-runner-and-ghostbusters-failed/
Dead on. Fox gambled Big with this one and got good numbers for a Predator film, but not so good numbers for an $88 million dollar movie. The fan film Dark Ages showed us that a solid Predator movie could be made on the cheap. I'd be okay with Blumhouse taking a shot at Predator or Alien for that matter.
Predator? Sure.
Alien? No thank you.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 01, 2018, 09:31:55 AM
Not strictly related to The Predator but still interesting and pretty on the mark - https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/10/29/box-office-why-halloween-succeeded-where-blade-runner-and-ghostbusters-failed/
A lot of us having been saying the same thing for years. Small budget, good story, it'll make money, it just won't make squillions. I mean it's a guy in a suit.
Quote from: Highland on Nov 02, 2018, 02:12:18 AM
I mean it's a guy in a suit.
No it's not. It's real. Mama said so. ;D
My mommy always said there were no monsters - no real ones - but there are.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 02, 2018, 01:24:05 AM
Predator? Sure.
Alien? No thank you.
Your opinion. At this point Blumhouse has a proven track record for solid horror/thrillers that make money. And that's what both franchises could use if we want more films.
Quote from: Highland on Nov 02, 2018, 02:12:18 AM
A lot of us having been saying the same thing for years. Small budget, good story, it'll make money, it just won't make squillions. I mean it's a guy in a suit.
I ate bad seafood once and got squillions. It was horrible.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Nov 02, 2018, 02:42:02 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 02, 2018, 01:24:05 AM
Predator? Sure.
Alien? No thank you.
Your opinion. At this point Blumhouse has a proven track record for solid horror/thrillers that make money. And that's what both franchises could use if we want more films.
Cheap horror films.
Alien doesn't do cheap.
(Sell Predator to Blumhouse, retain Alien.)
"Cheap" is a word that seems to carry a connotation of poor quality. So replace that word in your rebuttal with the word "inexpensive".
Inexpensive horror films.
Alien doesn't do inexpensive.
Well for Alien fans, they better bloody well better, because otherwise at this declining rate, Alien films will be a thing of the past (unless they plan on bringing Sigourney Weaver back).
Fair enough on cheap/inexpensive.
I disagree.
You just need a genuinely good story (Alien, Aliens, Vincent Ward's A3, The Cold Forge, Isolation)
and good marketing (Prometheus).
You can do an Alien film inexpensively, still set in space, with good effects. You just need a story to accommodate it.
Hell, look at AvP. For all that film's failings, the sets don't look cheap.
I can't agree, and TBH to a degree I don't want to. :laugh:
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 02, 2018, 03:22:44 AM
Fair enough on cheap/inexpensive.
I disagree.
You just need a genuinely good story (Alien, Aliens, Vincent Ward's A3, The Cold Forge, Isolation)
and good marketing (Prometheus).
Yes you need a good story, but you can also make that great story into a great looking movie without an inflated budget. Practical claustrophobic interior spacecraft set building won't inflate your budget. And after watching the fantastic special effects created in low budget movies like Ex Machina (15 Million budget), I have the utmost confidence a great Alien film can be made with, let's say, 40 Million dollars!
Side note on Prometheus: I was very suprised when two separate people revealed to me they saw that movie without any idea it actually tied into Alien. I was taken aback when I first learned that. I guess I was just too close to the property. But yeah, going back to the fantastic trailer shown in theaters, it never wore Alien on it's sleeve. It just looked like a fantastic sci-fi film! Such a great trailer!
Ex Machina's not a viable comparison, MOON would be more so- but that only has two-ish people and no monster.
& The original Alien wasn't even inexpensive for the time and it's essentially what you're describing.
I always wondered how an Alien movie would do now, if you used the same design style as the original. I think it would fly. People are lapping up the 80's retro at the minute.
It would be bloody fantastic to see IMO.
People loved it in Isolation, and even items were described as chunky and retro in TCF.
The retrofuturism in general reminds people of Alien and Blade Runner.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 02, 2018, 03:48:21 AM
Ex Machina's not a viable comparison, MOON would be more so- but that only has two-ish people and no monster.
& The original Alien wasn't even inexpensive for the time and it's essential what you're describing.
Even though the Alien Universe has synthetics, I didn't bring Ex Machina up as a direct correlation to Alien, other than to marvel at what they were able to accomplish for 15 Million dollars including wonderful cgi effects. (And Alien obviously would mostly require practical effects).
Quote from: Highland on Nov 02, 2018, 03:49:45 AM
I always wondered how an Alien movie would do now, if you used the same design style as the original. I think it would fly. People are lapping up the 80's retro at the minute.
Indeed!
Regardless, I don't think the budget or creation of Alien under Blumhouse would make nearly as much sense as Predator.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 02, 2018, 04:12:15 AM
Regardless, I don't think the budget or creation of Alien under Blumhouse would make nearly as much sense as Predator.
Indeed. While I believe both could work, I do agree with you that it would suit Predator more. Cheers!
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 02, 2018, 03:35:34 AM
I can't agree, and TBH to a degree I don't want to. :laugh:
Put AvP's $40-$50ish million into a smaller scale movie without the attempt at globe-trotting spectacle and why not?
Alien had a good budget at the time, but
Aliens had a very tight budget for what they were trying to do. A creative team and a good story that works within the confines of the budget could produce brilliant results.
Blumhouse works for slashers but not Alien/Predator
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Nov 02, 2018, 03:33:14 PM
Blumhouse works for slashers but not Alien/Predator
Yet Blumhouse films like
Whiplash, Get Out, The Gift, Split, etc., etc. are not "slashers", sooo....
So no
This is like a drive-by, but with letters.
Shots fired!
lol. I'm confused. Who fired the shots now?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 02, 2018, 03:59:32 PM
lol. I'm confused. Who fired the shots now?
Not sure. I was hiding behind something. On the upside, I found some pizza back there.
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 02, 2018, 04:05:46 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 02, 2018, 03:59:32 PM
lol. I'm confused. Who fired the shots now?
Not sure. I was hiding behind something. On the upside, I found some pizza back there.
I think that's Pizza the Hut you're eating...
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Quote from: The Old One on Nov 02, 2018, 04:12:15 AM
Regardless, I don't think the budget or creation of Alien under Blumhouse would make nearly as much sense as Predator.
While I do agree that Predator makes more sense, an Alien film with a $75 million budget under Blumhouse would be something I'd like to see. Regardless it'll be interesting to see how Disney divvies up properties.
How long until we here anything if ever from Shane Black or studio about "The Predator's" box office performance or criticisms?
Quote from: Shaeffer11 on Nov 02, 2018, 08:03:01 PM
How long until we here anything if ever from Shane Black or studio about "The Predator's" box office performance or criticisms?
Never.
Alien fans sipping on their aged merlots eating cheese like usual.
Well yes in fact, there is a sophistication to Alien as well as a sense of majesty, so it should be a bit more high brow.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 02, 2018, 11:46:31 PM
Well yes in fact, there is a sophistication to Alien as well as a sense of majesty, so it should be a bit more high brow.
Sophistication, and love. ♡
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 02, 2018, 11:54:38 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 02, 2018, 11:46:31 PM
Well yes in fact, there is a sophistication to Alien as well as a sense of majesty, so it should be a bit more high brow.
Sophistication, and love. ♡
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You make a good case for removing the film from canon.
Indeed. lol
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 02, 2018, 11:46:31 PM
Well yes in fact, there is a sophistication to Alien as well as a sense of majesty, so it should be a bit more high brow.
Did you sip on your Red whilst typing this.
Majestic beasts!
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Quote from: Highland on Nov 04, 2018, 04:01:08 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 02, 2018, 11:46:31 PM
Well yes in fact, there is a sophistication to Alien as well as a sense of majesty, so it should be a bit more high brow.
Did you sip on your Red whilst typing this.
Majestic beasts!
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There's nothing wrong with carpooling. We all gotta get to work somehow.
Quote from: Highland on Nov 04, 2018, 04:01:08 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 02, 2018, 11:46:31 PM
Well yes in fact, there is a sophistication to Alien as well as a sense of majesty, so it should be a bit more high brow.
Did you sip on your Red whilst typing this.
Majestic beasts!
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Tee hee! Could you pass the Grey Poupon please? 8)
Let the franchise die, it's over.
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Big fan. ;D
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