Quote from: SM on Jun 11, 2014, 08:20:49 AMRipley suggested to Cameron that she wanted Ripley to die (amongst other things). Which would've played into Ward's thinking as he and Fasano orginally had Brother John 'exorcise' the Alien out of Ripley. It came up her throat and into him, leaving her alive and him to walk into the burning abbey.Yeah, I've read that. I actually think Ward's script is overrated. The wooden planet is cool but a bit daft, and beyond that there isn't much I like about it. He makes some really random and nonsensical changes to the Alien, like when it turns its skin into wood to hide, or a Chestburster pops out of the Abbot's head for... no reason.
Quote from: SM on Jun 11, 2014, 08:20:49 AM
Ripley suggested to Cameron that she Ripley to die (amongst other things).
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 11, 2014, 03:54:52 AMWell, both the original draft and the film as shot/edited have some really great ideas, and some great scenes, and then they both just have some really dumb elements.As much as I want to love Prometheus, it's those dumb elements that just completely ruin it for me. In any other movie, I'd probably be able to forgive supposedly smart scientists doing really stupid shit to further the plot, but the impression Prometheus gives is that it's trying to be some deep, spiritual, intelligent spectacle, and the blatantly stupid stuff totally undermines that.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 11, 2014, 03:17:21 AMI do question it. Severely. The character was laid to rest in 1992, and it should have stayed there.I still marvel at the fact they had the balls to kill Ripley in Alien 3. I can't think of a single other blockbuster franchise that offed it's lead character after a bunch of films. If Weaver was at all involved in that decision it was a good one. (Until they arbitrarily undid it in the next film.)
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 11, 2014, 03:34:04 AM
Uh no, Spaihts' idea was that the engineers had a hand in creating humanity.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 11, 2014, 03:20:42 AM
I blame Spaihts as much or more than I blame Lindelof, to be frank. His big ideas were about different colored xeno eggs that produced different kinds of xenos. And of course Ridley had to cut a bunch of scenes out that would have given the plot some more sanity.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 11, 2014, 03:09:42 AM
I don't think it should be a simple mission movie. Audiences want more nowadays. They need more. Something like Inception. Notice how films like Pandorum don't gross much?
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 11, 2014, 03:20:42 AMQuote from: OpenMaw on Jun 11, 2014, 03:17:21 AM
Prometheus was the first film in the series since the early 90s to actually do something of visual scope. It's screenplay shortfalls, thanks Lindelof, are it's biggest failing.
I blame Spaihts as much or more than I blame Lindelof, to be frank. His big ideas were about different colored xeno eggs that produced different kinds of xenos. And of course Ridley had to cut a bunch of scenes out that would have given the plot some more sanity.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 11, 2014, 03:17:21 AM
Prometheus was the first film in the series since the early 90s to actually do something of visual scope. It's screenplay shortfalls, thanks Lindelof, are it's biggest failing.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 11, 2014, 03:09:42 AM
I don't think it should be a simple mission movie. Audiences want more nowadays. They need more. Something like Inception. Notice how films like Pandorum don't gross much? That's why I can't wait for Prometheus 2. It'll be another food-for-thought type movie in the Alien universe a'la Prometheus.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 11, 2014, 03:09:42 AM
It's not about Weaver's clout. If you get Weaver in another Alien movie, with a great director, it has blockbuster potential. A movie with Weaver in the lead role that's not an Alien movie? Okay, question that. But not a Weaver Alien movie.