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In a new interview with Yahoo! Movies, Shane Black has opened up about quite a few aspects of his time working on The Predator. Black talks plenty about the 3rd act reshoots, how he and Fred Dekker looked for a direction for the film, the focus on disabilities and plenty more.

In regards to the 3rd act, Black goes into more about his decision to remove Edward James Olmos’ character, General Woodhurt, from the film.

Well, the structure remained largely the same. There was a proponent of working with the predators, played by Edward James Olmos, and there was a suggestion that maybe he was trying to recruit the first predator in the movie.

And when we went back we thought that that was one bad guy too many, one character too many in retrospect, and regretfully we removed his role from the movie and just let Sterling K Brown carry it solo.

Black also talked a little more about the extent of the reshoots, saying that for the most part it’s the same sequence as originally shot. Alien vs. Predator Galaxy understands there was some substancial differences between the original sequences and the new one but it does seem to follow the same basic idea.

Also the Ark site scene, there was a whole different... it was the same set, the same sequence basically, but all set during the day with them attacking the Ark and freeing the kid, and running away with the predator chasing them but it was all daylight. It just... we started to do our effects work, and it looked kind of cheap in a way. It looked... it didn't really feel like a big expensive movie when the predators are just running around in daylight like that.

We could have finished the film like that, honestly we could have, but I just didn't think it would work as well. Thankfully, I have to credit 20th Century Fox, this was a big, fairly expensive deal to turn that back into night time, and they went along with it.

We went up and rebuilt it on a different location, we put the ship back in, restaged the the attack on the ship, and the rescue of the kid, all at night

In regards to his decision to make Aspergers play into the film in a more significant way, Black explained that it was:

Because I think there's a case to be made that people who have what is viewed as a disability are actually the most valuable members of our society. There are those among us who consider schizophrenia to just be another form of existence and not necessarily even... there's one theory that they're seeing something that other people simply don't.

I personally suffer from tourettes disease. I bark and chirp sometimes so I've had to play with that, and I thought I always try to keep a sense of humour about it. It doesn't show up all the time, but when it does it's usually with a girlfriend or something, so I try to keep a sense of humour about it.

Black also re-iterates how thankful he is The Predator  has wrapped up, saying that “I'd love to bid goodbye to this thing. As sad it sounds, it's been a long road. If it does well, great, but my lord, it's been seemingly forever.“

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He should make a comment later on how all those reshoots ended up leading to the ending we got.

Yeah, I hope that end gets some discussion at some point too.

Hope you can bring someone involved in this movie to one of the podcasts. The one you did with Liam O'Donnell really helped understand the development and prodution of AVPR. Even made me feel some sympathy for the Strauses.

Hopefully. I did reach out to Fred Dekker and he mentioned to RidgeTop at the premiere I'd messaged him but I haven't received a reply.

It's strange he didn't say anything about APC and Friendly Predators.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 11, 2018, 02:35:28 PM
He should make a comment later on how all those reshoots ended up leading to the ending we got.

Would be very interested to hear about this as well.

His wording makes it appear as if the movie turned out just the way he wanted, so maybe he was in almost total control of the finished product after all? But then again, this quote:

"I'd love to bid goodbye to this thing. As sad it sounds, it's been a long road. If it does well, great, but my lord, it's been seemingly forever."

Sounds like it's coming from a man who has worked very hard, but is incredibly tired and maybe even a little defeated. How much of the movie was him and how much the studio I wonder.

Between this and some other interviews I've seen, it's clear Black has been exhausted by this movie. Really telling about how rough the production was.

I am interested how the prequel novel factors into the reshoots. It featured Woodhurst but absolutely no indication of friendly Predators or any way they could be used in the prequel story.

Do you think "that" ending is Black's idea though ? I think it sounds more like a studio exec decision, but it will be hard to know, at least for a while... But i'm sure those 2 days of last minute reshoots are about that ending...

So basically Fox didn't want Arnold in the movie because they didn't want to pay his salary and felt he was box office poison. I think that was a mistake.

"Because I think there's a case to be made that people who have what is viewed as a disability are actually the most valuable members of our society."

That was poorly worded Shane. Coming from a man who supposedly suffers from a disability, it could be viewed as egotistical and self serving. I'd like to think that no person is more or less valuable than the next. Although those who serve in defense of our nation, and our emergency personnel and police officers who put their lives on the line to protect and save ours every single day might be in the running for that. As we saw 17 years ago today.

I don't know what happened to Shane Black on this movie. Dude is usually one of the best screenwriters in Hollywood but he just completely melted down on this.

"I'd love to bid goodbye to this thing. As sad it sounds, it's been a long road. If it does well, great, but my lord, it's been seemingly forever."

LOL.  Sounds like the studio took this thing from him hard and he's exhausted.

On a few movie talk podcasts I listen to regularly there have been a few panelists who've heard rumblings about how unhappy he was during this process. Sounds like the studio basically ripped the movie from his hands and had him do these reshoots and cut a bunch of stuff. His next film will definitely not be a big studio film like this again.

Quote from: Serpico Jones on Sep 11, 2018, 05:04:00 PM
So basically Fox didn't want Arnold in the movie because they didn't want to pay his salary and felt he was box office poison. I think that was a mistake.

Indeed. Arnie would have been a better marketing tool than anything else we had in the last years. They should have given a better role for Arnie even if it meant doing a lot of changes to the script. But I'm glad he didn't participate, the original ending with Dutch was cheesy, still not as bad as the one we got.

Sounds like studio involvement has f**ked this, IMO.

Arnie saying no will no doubt have been a big blow to everyone; but I'm not having that the best they could do in the months/years since he said no is "I know, guys - LET'S GIVE HUMANS PRED TECH COZ REASONS!"

No. It sounds like they want to piggy back off the success of the MCU at the expense of what makes the Predator the Predator.

As poor as the script/concept was initially it was salvageable. Now humankind has Pred Tech and we're being invaded by Chads. And the original antagonist has been shit on from a great height.

After my initil scepticism, I was really looking forward to this, I'm not going to lie. Especially after they announced the reshoots and re-structure of the finale.

But then they go and give us an "Iron Pred" suit?? They can f**k off.

Huge kick in the teeth this.

Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 11, 2018, 06:45:36 PM

Quote from: Serpico Jones on Sep 11, 2018, 05:04:00 PM
So basically Fox didn't want Arnold in the movie because they didn't want to pay his salary and felt he was box office poison. I think that was a mistake.

Indeed. Arnie would have been a better marketing tool than anything else we had in the last years. They should have given a better role for Arnie even if it meant doing a lot of changes to the script. But I'm glad he didn't participate, the original ending with Dutch was cheesy, still not as bad as the one we got.

When was the last time Arnie brought $$ for studios? We don't know (most of us) how things work out behind the curtains but from a business perspective if you see your asset keeps failing for the last few years you replace that asset.

Quoteit was the same set, the same sequence basically, but all set during the day with them attacking the Ark and freeing the kid, and running away with the predator chasing them but it was all daylight. It just... we started to do our effects work, and it looked kind of cheap in a way. It looked... it didn't really feel like a big expensive movie when the predators are just running around in daylight like that.

Yet the creature looked convincing in P1 during daytime scenes. In fact most horrifying and gory scenes were done during daytime.

It's actually something that's always stuck with me about Predator, most monsters appear in the cold, at night, in deep space, old structures, on dead worlds.

The Predator hunts in an uncomfortably hot,
bright environment.
The idea of the Predator running across the rooftops and skyscrapers on a hot summer's day, in fact it's stuck with me more than him in the jungle with a isolated group.

Take him to the desert next is my vote.

darn it shane. You were the chosen one!
will still go watch it though. twice probably. and get the bluray. Anyway, Why can't they come up with a decent fiiiilm!

Quote from: Wysps on Sep 11, 2018, 03:02:37 PM
Sounds like it's coming from a man who has worked very hard, but is incredibly tired and maybe even a little defeated. How much of the movie was him and how much the studio I wonder.

I know, that part of the interview stuck out the most to me. I find it sad that it got to that point for him.

Big shame if it was studio interference, which seems a possibility, because Shane Black is normally a very good director and doesn't do messy movies like this.

You would think they would have learned after Alien 3.......

Quote from: Huggs on Sep 11, 2018, 05:22:33 PM
"Because I think there's a case to be made that people who have what is viewed as a disability are actually the most valuable members of our society."

That was poorly worded Shane. Coming from a man who supposedly suffers from a disability, it could be viewed as egotistical and self serving. I'd like to think that no person is more or less valuable than the next. Although those who serve in defense of our nation, and our emergency personnel and police officers who put their lives on the line to protect and save ours every single day might be in the running for that. As we saw 17 years ago today.

maybe it is poorly worded, but I think Shane meant no harm with this statement. For me personally it felt like comparison between "All Star Team" (Predator 1) in basketball, and their replacement on the chair (the Predator), who could be more valueble for the Game at some moments )))

Black is tired of the fans and the re-recordings not of the Fox.

Shane Black is tired by the fans who criticized him every day for a movie with black style comedy. With predators with pants. For not being faithful.


For the comments on your twitter every day.




Because the shooting was hard and the post.produccion was more complicated by the fx and because that caused rerecording that he asked Fox.


He had total freedom.In other movies like Logan Kingsman, Deadpools ... Fox gave it. Only he did not do it so well. To say it's because of Fox does not make sense when he says it was because of the re-recordings.

Quote from: ttttt on Sep 12, 2018, 02:34:46 AM
Black is tired of the fans and the re-recordings not of the Fox.

Shane Black is tired by the fans who criticized him every day for a movie with black style comedy. With predators with pants. For not being faithful.


For the comments on your twitter every day.

I believe that this (what you have stated) is obviously true.

Shane Black probably came into this thing wide-eyed and without any preparation whatsoever for just how unforgiving, belligerent, and downright spoiled some of us "fanatics" can be. Fandoms can be quite toxic and resistant to changes, whether said changes are for the better or worse. 

As it stands, it doesn't surprise me that he can't wait to be completely done with this.

The problem is that new idea was executed badly. While it's true that you have to keep faith in your own vision, that doesn't mean you can always backstab fans that supported the series. Look at Last Jedi.

Quote from: neoryu33 on Sep 12, 2018, 07:53:04 AM
Shane Black probably came into this thing wide-eyed and without any preparation whatsoever for just how unforgiving, belligerent, and downright spoiled some of us "fanatics" can be. Fandoms can be quite toxic and resistant to changes, whether said changes are for the better or worse. 

I'm sure he got plenty of that after Iron Man 3.

Quote from: ttttt on Sep 12, 2018, 02:34:46 AM

He had total freedom.In other movies like Logan Kingsman, Deadpools ... Fox gave it. Only he did not do it so well. To say it's because of Fox does not make sense when he says it was because of the re-recordings.

From a recent interview with the Independent:

"Nowadays, given the cost and the necessity of meeting a certain quota in terms of recouping your investment, the playground factor for directors has diminished, that's for certain," Black admits. "It's collaboration at best and scrutiny at worst given to the films that are not allowed to fail. There's a dearth of risk-taking in a lot of films. Ultimately, it's up to me to argue whether a risk is worth taking. But it's certainly going to be easier if it's not got a high budget."

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/shane-black-interview-predator-2018-lethal-weapon-kiss-bang-director-a8531186.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/shane-black-interview-predator-2018-lethal-weapon-kiss-bang-director-a8531186.html)

I can garantuee you guys that not only the 3rd act got changed.

Jesus.. this movie went through some troublesome shooting... poor Shane.

I've been muttering for years that a Predator movie set in Afghanistan in either 1979 or 2001-10 would be amazing. So many possibilities.

Quote from: The Old One on Sep 11, 2018, 09:38:22 PM
It's actually something that's always stuck with me about Predator, most monsters appear in the cold, at night, in deep space, old structures, on dead worlds.

The Predator hunts in an uncomfortably hot,
bright environment.
The idea of the Predator running across the rooftops and skyscrapers on a hot summer's day, in fact it's stuck with me more than him in the jungle with a isolated group.

Take him to the desert next is my vote.

I always had an idea for a Predator movie that opened in the Desert.

I really want to see all the stuff that was cut now and Ive noticed that the trailers still feature scenes from the original third act

So Shane Black is glad the making of The Predator is over... oh man that's that last thing I wanted to hear. This movie now has Alien³ all over it.

Most directors are glad when they're done making a movie even on a good shoot :P

Quote from: SiL on Sep 13, 2018, 11:30:38 AM
Most directors are glad when they're done making a movie even on a good shoot :P

Not all of 'em SiL.
Most of them are exhausted, yet had a great colaboration with the studio/actors.

This just reeks of FOX meddling with the movie Shane tried to make.

Did I say all of them ???

Quote from: SiL on Sep 13, 2018, 11:56:45 AM
Did I say all of them ???

Eh, calm down.

"Most directors"
or
"Not all of 'em"

:(

Oh god no, now why is The Predator's box office being compared to Terminator Genisys and The Mummy for; of all the bad things to be compared too. :P

Is true but The  Predator es a small movie with freedoom (Logan,Kingsman,Deadpools....) And reshoots are his fault .Black want reshoots no Fox.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 13, 2018, 11:28:46 AM
So Shane Black is glad the making of The Predator is over... oh man that's that last thing I wanted to hear. This movie now has Alien³ all over it.

I have my doubts. At least Alien 3 took itself seriously and still fits well within the lore and spirit of the franchise. This movie has Jeepers Creepers 3 written all over it. The bad dialogue, cheesy effects, crazy predator abilities, like the creeper's "seeker mines" etc. I keep expecting to see a tv spot for this movie featuring someone saying "what happened here, happened before!".  ;) Oh, and there was a sexual predator involved in that one too. Just sayin. The similarities are uncanny.

Quote from: Huggs on Sep 14, 2018, 04:25:04 AMI have my doubts. At least Alien 3 took itself seriously and still fits well within the lore and spirit of the franchise. This movie has Jeepers Creepers 3 written all over it. The bad dialogue, cheesy effects, crazy predator abilities, like the creeper's "seeker mines" etc.

The dialogue, most of it anyway, is class. The effects are uniformly decent. The Predators don't really display any "crazy new abilities". The only moment where the film really jumps outside the box is in the final two minutes.

People are really blowing the comedy thing out of proportion. Yes there's lots of funny lines in it, but there were lots of funny lines in Lethal Weapon and The Nice Guys, and they're still really dark, serious movies at heart. Plus the previous Predator films, the first two anyway, had plenty of comedic dialogue in them.

As for the reshoots, having watching the film, it felt like far more than the final act had been fiddled with. The film was littered with scenes that felt like they'd been edited in post. I really got the overriding impression it was a movie that had been majorly trimmed for time, like the studio panicked and had it cut down to maximise the number of times they could show it in a day. It's a story we've heard plenty of times before, and how often has it turned out for the best?

Absolutely 100% Agreed, you're on the money.

The whole film was clearly tampered with and certain elements recontextualised or reshot to fit.

Quote from: The Old One on Sep 14, 2018, 07:50:06 AM
Absolutely 100% Agreed, you're on the money.

The whole film was clearly tampered with and certain elements recontextualised or reshot to fit.

The first and third act got significantly changed.
The third act didn't include a suit of armor for us humans ... hell, it wasn't even supposed to be shown.

You all saw the dip in CGI quality ...

I think of you remove the very last scene and edit the movie for some more length to do away with the chopped up feel, there is a great movie.

I think I like this more than Predators, which I am actually a fan of.

https://screenrant.com/predator-movie-reshoots-changes-shane-black-fox/

Not read yet.

Just as I thought.

Read it and it makes sense. Such a shame

Seems like a good summation of what I've been piecing together over the past 24 hours after going back and reading through the leaked script breakdown thread and other spoilery things from before the movie's release, which I'd been staying far away from at the time. Definitely worth a look for others who were avoiding seeking out spoilers until they'd actually seen the film for themselves and are now wondering what sort of changes were made.

Read it but a few wrong infos in there, they should've checked their sources.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2018, 02:57:34 PM
https://screenrant.com/predator-movie-reshoots-changes-shane-black-fox/

Not read yet.

As much as the cuts and reshoots inevitably messed with the movie's cohesion, it's not like it was full of stellar concepts to begin with and those darn studios ruined it. That leaked script was never good. Though I can buy that awful predator killer suit being something they forced in.

Maybe the ideas seemed bad but we don't know how they would have come off. Everything I like about the movie is undoubtedly Black's input. I have faith that the original cut would have been much better.

Hopefully they release the alternate scenes. But they probably save it for a future release to milk a much money as they can.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2018, 02:57:34 PM
https://screenrant.com/predator-movie-reshoots-changes-shane-black-fox/

Not read yet.

I don't really look into the behind the scenes stuff from many movies, but The Predator have the biggest development mess I ever saw so far. And I'm not sure if those reshoots hadn't happened it would make things better for me.

Predators working with the US army wearing military pants that get killed mere minutes after being introduced, mutated predator hybrids with more limbs and tentacles, a kid using weaponized autism against predators. The hell Shane. This movie was doomed to have issues from the start. Between this crap and the ending we got, it's hard to decide which would be less worse.

They could just had done the Fugitive team up with humans to fight the Upgrade in place of the friendly preds and make up something less controversial at the ending. It's like the writers of Aliens vs. Predator: Deadliest of the Species were involved in this. So many nonsense. What's next? 20 foot tall predators? More Human-Predator hybrids? Why make create new types of predators? The original creature is already great on its own.

Hey now  ;) Deadliest of the Species hate aside, I agree that some critics are putting quite a bit of emphasis on the damage of the reshoots, when in fact a lot of the issues preceded the filming and were built into the script itself. A lot of the script was a mess. Predators being introduced, only to be mere cannon fodder minutes later. The long "spring break" scene that went down in Florida. Plus, I'd argue that re-filming from day to night to make the film more "scary" may have not been necessary (much of Predators was filmed during the day - didn't seem to have a big impact either way). It's almost like they tried to compensate for the film's weaknesses by changing everything to night, thinking it would add to the suspense that was lacking in the script. I do think the movie was entertaining and critics may be over-zealous with their reviews, but blaming the faults of the film solely on the reshoots....I think it goes beyond that.

As a whole, it is very much a Black and Dekker film, but largely a Dekker script with Black character dialogues.

To me, it had all the weaknesses of Monster Squad and little strengths of the Predator franchise entries.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2018, 02:57:34 PMhttps://screenrant.com/predator-movie-reshoots-changes-shane-black-fox/

Not read yet.

My immediate impression upon seeing the film was that far more than the final act had been fiddled with. This seems to confirm that.

Indeed.

Like in Justice League, you could almost see the cuts made by studio involvement...

So who made a bonus before it was sold to Fox and why is Jon Davis still running these films?

Yeah why are the reshoots so obvious to spot ? Did they rush the editing or what ? And why in the hell would they do that ? That's a suicidal move right there !

Quote from: skull-splitter on Sep 17, 2018, 08:51:46 PM
Like in Justice League, you could almost see the cuts made by studio involvement...

So who made a bonus before it was sold to Fox and why is Jon Davis still running these films?

Honestly, I'd love to know where people think they can "see the cuts" and "see the reshoots" because I never seem capable of that magic.

Quote from: Bishop2 on Sep 18, 2018, 06:07:07 PMHonestly, I'd love to know where people think they can "see the cuts" and "see the reshoots" because I never seem capable of that magic.

For me, it was less to do with spotting specific things that had obviously been added (with the exception of the final scene - the CGI in that was noticeably poorer than the rest of the film, suggesting it was added late) and more the fact the editing throughout was so obviously sloppy. I can't believe a director of Black's calibre and experience would have intended it to be that way, so it tells me the film was majorly reworked in post.

Quote from: Bishop2 on Sep 18, 2018, 06:07:07 PM

Quote from: skull-splitter on Sep 17, 2018, 08:51:46 PM
Like in Justice League, you could almost see the cuts made by studio involvement...

So who made a bonus before it was sold to Fox and why is Jon Davis still running these films?

Honestly, I'd love to know where people think they can "see the cuts" and "see the reshoots" because I never seem capable of that magic.

There was one scene in particular that was so obvious. It was the scene we are introduced to Olivia Munn's character. It was the scene that was cut due to the sex offender but you can tell there's a chunk missing there.

The entire forest scene in the 3rd act at night is a reshoot. Notable character deaths are changed significantly from the original script and I believe the first test screenings. The CG there is a bit off because they probably didn't have as much time to work on it.  The whole scene felt a bit low budget, like they had to get it done quickly, which they did. I like parts of that scene but it does feel like it was added in late.

There is also a bunch of ADR'd dialogue from Olivia Munn's character that's added in for exposition because they probably realised they need to explain some stuff.

Can't forget the last few minutes either. That scene is entirely a reshoot. It felt so tacked on.

Apologies if someone else brought it up, but we also didn't see how Nebraska got that police car either. Not a big deal though.

Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Sep 18, 2018, 06:37:31 PM
Apologies if someone else brought it up, but we also didn't see how Nebraska got that police car either. Not a big deal though.

From the original leaked script it wasn't explained either. He just shows up in it for comedic effect.

Quote from: MudButt on Sep 18, 2018, 06:20:47 PM
[The entire forest scene in the 3rd act at night is a reshoot. Notable character deaths are changed significantly from the original script and I believe the first test screenings.

I would love for those who saw the test screenings to manifest themselves and talk about it here, the deaths, the scenes shot as initially planned etc... I mean there can't be an embargo that lasts till now ?

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 18, 2018, 08:34:19 PM

Quote from: MudButt on Sep 18, 2018, 06:20:47 PM
[The entire forest scene in the 3rd act at night is a reshoot. Notable character deaths are changed significantly from the original script and I believe the first test screenings.

I would love for those who saw the test screenings to manifest themselves and talk about it here, the deaths, the scenes shot as initially planned etc... I mean there can't be an embargo that lasts till now ?

I know that Coyle originally died during the APC scene from a hybrid attack. You can find set photos of his body on top of the APC with his face all tore apart. I would like to read how the movie changed from the test screening as well. Perhaps Hicks and Co. can get the detail and on the next podcast discuss changes from the leaked script, to the original cut that was shown in test screenings, and then to the final film!

All will be revealed soon  ;)

Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 14, 2018, 06:13:55 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 14, 2018, 02:57:34 PM
https://screenrant.com/predator-movie-reshoots-changes-shane-black-fox/

Not read yet.

I don't really look into the behind the scenes stuff from many movies, but The Predator have the biggest development mess I ever saw so far. And I'm not sure if those reshoots hadn't happened it would make things better for me.

Predators working with the US army wearing military pants that get killed mere minutes after being introduced, mutated predator hybrids with more limbs and tentacles, a kid using weaponized autism against predators. The hell Shane. This movie was doomed to have issues from the start. Between this crap and the ending we got, it's hard to decide which would be less worse.

They could just had done the Fugitive team up with humans to fight the Upgrade in place of the friendly preds and make up something less controversial at the ending. It's like the writers of Aliens vs. Predator: Deadliest of the Species were involved in this. So many nonsense. What's next? 20 foot tall predators? More Human-Predator hybrids? Why make create new types of predators? The original creature is already great on its own.

Justice Leage was worse in that aspect but yeah, The Predator was bad from the script, i dont see how much studio meddling besides the obvious ending scene could have provoked more damage to an already very flawed movie.

Quote from: skull-splitter on Sep 17, 2018, 08:51:46 PM
Like in Justice League, you could almost see the cuts made by studio involvement...

So who made a bonus before it was sold to Fox and why is Jon Davis still running these films?

Justice League was like 90% whedon/wb footage and it was so noticeable.

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 18, 2018, 08:34:19 PM

Quote from: MudButt on Sep 18, 2018, 06:20:47 PM
[The entire forest scene in the 3rd act at night is a reshoot. Notable character deaths are changed significantly from the original script and I believe the first test screenings.

I would love for those who saw the test screenings to manifest themselves and talk about it here, the deaths, the scenes shot as initially planned etc... I mean there can't be an embargo that lasts till now ?

Me too. I find it interesting and sorta odd that no one has written an article or posted a video about the test screenings, if indeed they were as different from the final product as they said.

I've done videos on the changes, my friend Mr H Reviews has done some as well. Also spoke with Hicks about stuff it'll be revealed soon.

Fear not. I'm working on a deleted scenes page.

Quote from: Wysps on Sep 19, 2018, 02:45:40 AM

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 18, 2018, 08:34:19 PM

Quote from: MudButt on Sep 18, 2018, 06:20:47 PM
[The entire forest scene in the 3rd act at night is a reshoot. Notable character deaths are changed significantly from the original script and I believe the first test screenings.

I would love for those who saw the test screenings to manifest themselves and talk about it here, the deaths, the scenes shot as initially planned etc... I mean there can't be an embargo that lasts till now ?

Me too. I find it interesting and sorta odd that no one has written an article or posted a video about the test screenings, if indeed they were as different from the final product as they said.

Can only second this. I would be very interested in hearing reviews and story lines/deaths etc from any test screenings, old and new that differ from the final movie.

A lot of what happened with The Predator sounds very similar to what happened with Alien 3.

Quote from: MudButt on Sep 18, 2018, 09:43:56 PM

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 18, 2018, 08:34:19 PM

Quote from: MudButt on Sep 18, 2018, 06:20:47 PM
[The entire forest scene in the 3rd act at night is a reshoot. Notable character deaths are changed significantly from the original script and I believe the first test screenings.

I would love for those who saw the test screenings to manifest themselves and talk about it here, the deaths, the scenes shot as initially planned etc... I mean there can't be an embargo that lasts till now ?

I know that Coyle originally died during the APC scene from a hybrid attack. You can find set photos of his body on top of the APC with his face all tore apart. I would like to read how the movie changed from the test screening as well. Perhaps Hicks and Co. can get the detail and on the next podcast discuss changes from the leaked script, to the original cut that was shown in test screenings, and then to the final film!

Yeah i saw Coyle's picture when it leaked, but i remember it seemed already different from what was described in the script (he was supposed to have his spined ripped out), here it just seemed his face was messed up, and the creature that killed him appeared dead and shredded all over the APC. Very curious to know more about all that.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 19, 2018, 07:22:36 AM
Fear not. I'm working on a deleted scenes page.

I think that'll be a pretty small page then?

DELETED SCENES

Act 2
Act 4


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How long was the original cut? Seems like it must have been over 2 hours with those huge chunks missing. I'm also intrigued about the script —> pre-reshoots —> post-reshoots transformation. Will be interesting to see what was originally planned on paper versus what actually made it to the first version.

Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 20, 2018, 10:46:15 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 19, 2018, 07:22:36 AM
Fear not. I'm working on a deleted scenes page.

I think that'll be a pretty small page then?

DELETED SCENES

Act 2
Act 4



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There was a fourth act?  ;)

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Predator spiders, predators with pants, yeah, cant wait to se how deep into the mental diahrrea shane black can achieve

Well, Fred Dekker, I would even watch it without finished effects.

Quote from: roc84 on Sep 23, 2018, 05:52:01 PM
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That's about what I expected.

Hopefully they can at least get the stuff on there as deleted scenes.

And who knows, they eventually went back and completed the unfinished effects and audio in the Alien 3 Assembly Cut for the Blu-ray :P

Over 2 separate boxsets and decade or so later.  :P

I'll only be in my 40s! :laugh: